[VII.3. 89 Bridge Street: A request by Amanda Denmark (Pearce Scott Architects), on behalf of owners, Jamie and Allyn Oliver, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the conversion of an existing single-family residence into a bookstore with an associated icery located at 89 Bridge Street Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-03-25-019642) (Staff-Sam Barrow)]

OH AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ONE ACTION.

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ALL RIGHT. I DON'T REALLY BUT JUST IN CASE.

SURE. WHERE I REALLY OKAY. GOOD EVENING.

THIS EVENING I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICATION OR EXCUSE ME I'M PRESENTING THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 89 BRIDGE STREET. THE APPLICATION IS REPRESENTED TONIGHT BY MRS. AMANDA DENMARK UP HERE SCOTLAND TAKES THE REQUEST IS TO OR EXCUSE ME THE APPLICANT MADE MAN DENMARK PURE ARCHITECTS SOME HAVE THE OWNER JIM OR JAMIE AND ALAN OLIVER REQUESTS THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPROVE THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVING THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ALLOW RENOVATION AND CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO A BOOKSTORE WITH ASSOCIATED ICE LOCATED AT 89 BRIDGE STREET THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC EXCUSE ME OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE AT 89 BRIDGE STREET IN THE VICINITY OF THE INTERSECTION OF WHARF AND BRIDGE STREETS THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK. THIS IS THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY I WILL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO SEE MY CURSOR HERE THE FRONT PORTION HERE THIS INCLUDES A PORTION THAT FACES BRIDGE STREET. I ALSO HEAR ANOTHER VIEW MYSELF HERE SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1418 SQUARE FEET AND CLASSIFIED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION STORE DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT AS PROJECT'S PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS REVIEWED BY TOWN OF BLUFFTON PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 25TH, 2025 AND APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. HERE IS THE CURRENT SITE EXCUSE ME THE EXISTING SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT THE PROPOSED EXCUSE ME THE EXISTING THE LEFT PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT MAJOR EXTERIOR CHANGES INCLUDE ON LEFT HERE I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THIS EXTERIOR DOOR REMOVE THIS EXTERIOR WINDOW AND ,REMOVE THIS FRONT PORCH AREA THAT WE JUST SHOWED A SECOND AGO CURRENTLY THIS WAS IS STORAGE AREA USED TO BE A FRONT PORCH AND SO THEY HOLD IT IN AND USE IT TO STORE STUFF. THE PROPOSED PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TO REPLACE AND WIDEN REAR DOOR FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY TO TO INCLUDE OR TO ADD A NEW WINDOW HERE ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION REPLACE OR ADD A NEW DOOR HERE REPLACE THIS WINDOW AS AS A SERVICE THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO REPLACE OR EXCUSE ME RECONSTRUCT THE FRONT OF THIS PROPOSED AREA AGAIN THE CURRENT ELEVATIONS REMOVING THIS FROM CLOSURE, REMOVING THIS WINDOW REPLACING THIS DOOR AND REMOVING THIS WINDOW AS WELL JUST THIS BEING ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION. SEE THIS IS FROM THE RIGHT. THIS IS THE REAR ADA ACCESSIBLE AREA. THEN AGAIN REMOVING THE FRONT PORTION NO CHANGES TO THE REAR ELEVATION. WHAT THE WILL THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE THEY WERE WE'LL GO TO THE SITE HERE FIRST TO AGAIN TO REMOVE THIS FRONT STORAGE AREA AND RECONSTRUCT A A FRONT PORCH AREA I GUESS AND WITH THESE TWO DOUBLE DOORS HERE MESH ON BOTH SIDES WITH SINGLE POINT SINGLE PANE WINDOWS FOR A STOREFRONT REPLACE THIS WITH A MORE APPROPRIATE SIDE ENTRY DOOR AND TO ADD THIS WINDOW PORTION HERE IT CHANGES TO THE I'M SORRY OR CHANGE TO THE REAL VISION AS I SAID BEFORE AND I'M SORRY I DID NOT HIGHLIGHT THIS REAR DOOR THEY WERE REPLACED THIS ONE WITH A WIDER MORE A.D.A. DOOR LANDSCAPE PLAN THESE ARE YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA STAFF FINDS POINT TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH ALL MEMBERS EXCEPT FOR NUMBER TWO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER 1/1 OF ALL TO IDENTIFY THE WINDOW AND DOOR FINISH MATERIAL TO BE USED TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH US SECTION 5.15.6.8 NUMBER TWO IS TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW THE MINIMUM OF 75% SRIKANT B LOC COVERAGE REQUIREMENT HAS

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BEEN MET FOR A UDL 5.3.3. G DOT HERE ARE YOUR ACTIONS FOR THIS EVENING AND I OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS COMMENTS DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS AMANDA DENMARK I'M WITH PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS AND THE OWNERS ARE ALAN AND JAMIE OLIVER AND ARE LOOKING TO ADD A BOOKSTORE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO. LET THEM KIND OF TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR PROJECT CONSISTS OF PUTTING THIS IS YOUR PROJECT WELL HI THERE. WE'RE JUST ADDING AN INDEPENDENT BOOKSTORE TO BLUFFTON. IT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY SPACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER. WE WANT TO HAVE LOTS OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, AUTHOR SIGNINGS AND JUST READ TOGETHER. WE WANT AN ICE FREE ON THE SIDES HELP KEEP TRAFFIC GOING IN THE SUMMER MONTHS AND WE ARE ALL MISSING ICE CREAM IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON DISAPPEARED COUPLE A COUPLE OF YEARS SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE AN ICE LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REALLY ADD A FRONT PORCH TO IT, ADD LANDSCAPING TO IT, REMOVE A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S REALLY LIKE IN THE BACK AND HOPEFULLY JUST KIND OF SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND AND BRING SOME LIFE INTO IT. YES.

SO THE MAIN PART WAS JUST THAT FRONT PORCH AREA CURRENTLY THEY USE IT AS A GOLF CART MAYBE AREA. IT LOOK LIKE IT USED TO BE A FRONT PORCH AND THEN THEY CLOSED IT IN. SO WE'RE JUST TAKING THAT BACK TO BEING A FRONT PORCH PUTTING DOORS AND SHOPFRONT WINDOWS AND THEN THE OTHER WINDOWS WE'RE DOING ARE JUST REPLACING AND MATCHING THE TWO ON THE FRONT WE'RE JUST MATCHING THE SAME ONES THAT ARE ON THE THE DOORS WE'RE JUST REPLACING WITH NEW DOORS WITH WHITE AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE ACCESSIBLE AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THEIR LITTLE TINY WINDOW IS WHERE THE ICE CREAM WOULD GO JUST MAKING THAT OPENING A LITTLE BIT LARGER SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ? YEAH, THE WINDOWS ARE THOSE ALUMINUM CLAD OR SOME OF THEIR THERE'S A MIXTURE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY.

CURRENTLY PROBABLY 80% OF THEM ARE CLAY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S TO THE BACK THERE WAS SOME SOME ADDITIONS ADDED PRIOR TO US THAT ARE VINYL BUT THEY'RE ON THE REAL REALIZATION IT SEEMS WE USE MORE OF IT IS OKAY AND THAT'S JUST A NOTE ON THE PLAN THAT'S EASY TO ADDRESS AND THE LANDSCAPE AND I MEAN YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITH ADDRESSING THAT.

OKAY ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE I APPRECIATE YOU COMING WITH ANY CONDITIONS THIS THANK YOU FOR BEING PREPARED THE FUN PROJECT IS AN INTERESTING REIMAGINATION OF THAT HOME SO THAT'S GOING TO LOOK A LOT BETTER AND NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF OUR OLD BUILDINGS AND LOOK TO REUSE SOMETHING. YEAH VERY POSITIVE PLAN. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A NAME? BUT WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION I FIND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE HARD WITH BUT THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

NO, I DON'T THINK WE JUST NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM SO AND IT'S A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE ID OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR FINISH MATERIAL THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE YOUDO AND TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW THE MINIMUM 70% TREE COVERAGE SECOND ALL RIGHT ALL IN FAVOR BY ANY OPPOSED PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED THANK YOU ALL I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THREE WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO 15

[VI.1. 15 Meriwether Court: A request by BFL Builders, Owner and Applicant, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow construction of a 2-story single-family residence of approximately 1,637SF and an attached 2-story Carriage House of approximately 840SF located at 15 Meriwether Court (Lot 1) in the Landon Oaks Development. The property is in Old Town Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District. (COFA-01- 25-019522) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

MERRIWEATHER COMMITTEE AGAIN OKAY THANK YOU I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT I GOT DISTRACTED IN THE PROCESS OF UPLOADING IT BUT HAD AGAIN THIS IS 15 MERRIWEATHER COURT AND THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD AT THE JUNE 11TH HPC MEETING AND WAS TABLED TO THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO

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ADDRESS 13 CONDITIONS SO PLAN AT THAT TIME AGAIN THIS IS A REQUEST ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STOREY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL TYPE APPROXIMATELY 1637 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN LAND IN OAKS DEVELOPMENT AND HERE IS THE PROPERTY YOU SEE WITH THE STAR ON IT THAT LITTLE CUL DE SAC CIRCULAR AREA THAT IS LAND IN OAKS. THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT STAFF TOOK SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS TODAY AND YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LEFT THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS SOMEWHAT CLEARED. THE LARGE TREE HERE IS A 34 INCH LIVE OAK WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE RETAINED THERE IS SOME ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES THAT DO NOT SHOW UP ON THE PLANS OR LANDSCAPE PLAN AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE WOULD WANT TO ADD TONIGHT THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE THERE'S SOME LOOKS LIKE BREA THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY AND THIS LITTLE PERSON RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK IS FROM THE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT I, I TOOK THIS PHOTOS STANDING AT THE STREET SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE THE DITCH IS LOCATED AND BY THE DITCH THE CULVERT . SO HERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE HERE AND REGARDING THE PICTURES I WAS JUST DISCUSSING SO, THIS IS THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE BUSY.

THE ENTIRETY IS HERE ON THE LEFT BLOWN UP HERE IS A BIT MORE IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE I WAS CARRIAGE AND THE PORCH THAT WILL CONNECT THE TWO THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW THAT THE THE STAIRS THAT YOU DISCUSSED LAST TIME HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN EXTENDED TO GO ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT PORCH SO THAT WOULD BE NO NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND THE LITTLE RED THAT YOU SEE HERE LET ME FORWARD HERE TO THE CERTAINLY THINGS WILL HELP IF I SHOW YOU THIS SURVEY SO HERE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER PERSPECTIVE .

THE 34 INCH OAK THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS LOCATED HERE. THE THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND THIS BLACK LINE HERE IS TOP OF THE BANK. SO THE VERDIER COVE DITCH IS OPEN PORTION ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN IT'S PIPED IN THIS AREA LOCATED HERE SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU AGAIN IT'S A LITTLE BUSY BUT THIS DOTTED LINE HERE WOULD BE THE EASEMENT AND YOU CAN SEE IT APPEARS THAT A PORTION OF THE HOUSE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE EASEMENT I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY THEY BELIEVE IT IS NOT BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THESE. OTHER PORTIONS HERE ARE NOT WITHIN THE EASEMENT BUT ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE BANK AND AGAIN THIS IS AN ENGINEERING NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. I DID DISCUSS IT WITH WATERSHED AND THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE JUDGE. THEY DID INDICATE TO ME THAT THERE IS SOME ACTIVE EROSION WITHIN THAT DITCH ACTIVE EROSION WITHIN THE DITCH.

AND YOU'VE HEARD COUNTY HAS NOT MAINTAINED IT SINCE THE LAST THAT BIG STORM I BELIEVE IT WAS HELENE. HOWEVER THEY SCHEDULED IT FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR SO. THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THE VEGETATION WITHIN AREA MIGHT BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET TO THAT DITCH TO MAINTAIN IT.

SO I DID WANT TO BRING THAT UP . THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE AS I INDICATED THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE STAIRS NOW EXTEND ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH. THEY DID REMOVE THE HOG WIRE AND THE RAILING THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY AND I'LL JUST GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS AND THERE WERE CONCERNS REGARDING THE WINDOWS IN THE REAR OF THE MAIN HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THEY ADDED THESE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS HERE THAT ARE SHOWN TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT.

AND OVERALL IT APPEARS THE WINDOWS HAVE REMAINED THE OTHER WINDOWS HAVE REMAINED IN THE SAME LOCATIONS HERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE REAR THE DOORS HAVE BEEN CHANGED THE SERVICE AREA TWO H FAC UNITS ARE PERMITTED UNDERNEATH PREVIOUS A PREVIOUS CONDITION INDICATED THAT THEY WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL UNITS CAN BE LOCATED UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS COMMERCIAL CANNOT AND THIS IS COMING FROM OUR BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT SO I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US WE CAN COME BACK TO ANYONE IF WE IF

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IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE REPORT CRITERIA THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE REVIEW TONIGHT AND ALL OF THEM WHEN THREE AND FOUR ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CRITERIA AND THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS THAT REMAIN THAT DO NOT CONFORM AND I DO WANT TO GO OVER THOSE AND SO THE APPLICANT DID RESPOND TO THE JULY 11TH CONDITIONS AND I'VE INDICATED AND READ HOW THEY RESPONDED JUST VERY QUICKLY HERE THE WALL MATERIALS AND THEIR IDENTIFY WERE NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE REVISED PLAN BUT THEY DID INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE HARDY BORDEN BATTEN AND HORIZONTAL SIDING RAILING DIMENSIONS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

THEY WILL ADD THAT AS A DETAIL REGARDING THE WINDOWS WERE CHANGED AGAIN TO BE MORE CONSISTENT ALL OF THE FIXED WINDOWS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE PLAN WILL BE CHANGED TO CASEMENT AND THERE IS AN OBSCURE GLASS WINDOWS SHOWN ON THE FLOOR OF THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT WILL BE CHANGED TO A TRANSPARENT WINDOW METAL GARAGE DOOR QUARTER BOARD DIMENSIONS WILL BE CORRECTED IN THE MATERIAL PROVIDED AT THE RETAINING WALL.

WE WEREN'T CERTAIN IF ONE WOULD BE REQUIRED AND THEY'VE INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME DELIVERED SKIRTING DETAIL HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON THE PLAN REGARDING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THEY'VE INDICATED SCREENING DETAILS OF THE SERVICE YARD AGAIN.

THAT LOCATION IS FINE. THE UNITS UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS THEY WILL PROVIDE MESH SCREENING FOR THE PORCH DETAILS THEY HAVE PROVIDED 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE THEY'VE UPDATED THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN BUT AGAIN THEY DID NOT SHARE THE EXTENDED STAIRS AND THEY WILL NEED TO SHOW THE ABOVEGROUND UTILITY BOX THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT. WE ALWAYS INDICATE THIS WHENEVER THERE WERE TREES THAT ARE 14 INCHES OR GREATER DBAS AND THEY HAVE REMOVED THE FRONT PORCH RAILING SO WERE THE CONDITIONS FROM JUNE 11 AND SO OUR RECOMMENDED ATION IN REVIEWING WHAT WAS PROVIDED SOME OF THE DETAILS WERE STILL MISSING AND I'M TRYING TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT I HOPE MAKES SENSE BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF ARE TO UPDATE THE PLAN REVISED PLAN ONCE MORE TO SHOW MATERIALS AND OR FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FROM THE JUNE 11TH MEETING AND THOSE WERE CONDITIONS ONE, TWO, FOUR ,FIVE AND EIGHT EIGHT BEING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SERVICE.

DETAILS NEED TO BE PROVIDED AND 13 THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY ON THE PLANS THE USE OF SIX GAUGE WIRE FOR THE HIGH FENCE SO IS GOING BACK TO SLIDE 19 SO KIND OF GOING BACK OR IF I NEED TO GO BACK I'D BE GLAD TO. THE SECOND CONDITION THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS REVISING THE WINDOW TO SHOW THAT ALL THE FIXED WINDOWS WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL BE IDENTIFIED AS CASEMENT AND THAT THE OBSCURE WINDOW WOULD BE A TRANSPARENT WINDOW UPDATING THE DOORS SCHEDULED TO SHOW WHERE DOORS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DOORS AND THEN TO IDENTIFY THE DOOR MATERIAL FOR THE PATIO DOOR FOR UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE REVISED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AGAIN THE EXTENDED FRONT STAIRS ,THE ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES AND REMOVAL OF ANY PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WE'RE THE HOUSE IS THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT THE EASEMENT BUT WE WILL BE CERTAIN THAT IT IS NOT FIVE THIS CAME FROM THE JULY 11TH MEETING PROVIDE A SPLIT RAIL FENCE AT AN APPROPRIATE DISTANCE AROUND THE 34 INCH LIVE OAK IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT DURING SORT OF DISTURBANCE OR CONSTRUCTION.

SIX SUBMIT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION SEVEN IF A RETAINING WALL MUST BE ERECTED A SITE FEATURE PERMIT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED AND EIGHT WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT GUTTERS SHOULD BE INSTALLED AND IF THEY'RE PROVIDED THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE UDL.

SO THERE ARE EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THIS EVENING.

SO MOVING FORWARD YOU CAN APPROVE AS SUBMITTED APPROVED WITH THE SUGGESTED BY THE STAFF OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SO I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANYTHING.

OKAY. LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WE'LL START AT THIS END FISHERIES. OKAY. SURE.

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I WENT OUT THERE THIS WEEK AND IT GOT TO I MEAN IT IS A VERY SMALL LOT AND I FEEL LIKE HOUSE HAS TAKEN OVER EVERY BUILT IT A BUILDABLE AND I KNOW WE CAN COUNT BEYOND THE MAIN ACTORS THEY CAN ONLY TOP OF THEM TO THE RIGHT BUT I SAW TWO THINGS I WANTED TO ASK YOU.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES ALL THESE SITE PLANS I DO NOT SEE NOTICE OF THESE AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER PUT THEM IN THERE PROBABLY 34 CRAPE MYRTLES MAYBE 23 FOOT CREEK MYRTLES AND LOOKING AT I'M ON ATTACHMENT FOR ON MY SCREEN OKAY OKAY THERE YOU ARE SEE RIGHT THERE WHERE THE STOP IS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK TO IT FEELS LIKE THERE ARE LOT ACTUALLY GOES ALMOST TO WHERE THAT STOP SIGN IS SO ARE WE KEEPING THOSE CRAPE MYRTLES AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE BUSHES HERE A HUGE WATER MAIN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AND I DON'T THINK TOP OF BANK OR LOWER I WOULDN'T GET DOWN THERE AND DIDN'T SEE THAT NOTICED ON ANY OF THE PLANTS SO I BELIEVE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WE'RE SHOWING CONCRETE IS IN A WATER MAIN DRAINAGE ADJACENT TO HAYWARD AND HAYWARD STREET IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING SO THAT'S THIS PROPERTY HERE IS COMMON AREA YOU GET OUT AND WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT SO I'VE JUST SEEN IT IS YOUR MOUSE HOUSE SO RIGHT HERE IS COMMON AREA OKAY I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE LOT I JUST DON'T SEE IT NOTED ON THERE.

I MEAN THE COMMON AREA WILL THE WAY IT IS AND IF YOU COULD PULL UP IT HAS BEEN FIVE THE ACTUAL SURVEY IS DATED SEPTEMBER FIFTH 2018 SO IT IS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND APPARENTLY MISSING INFORMATION. AND THEN THE REASON YOU WEREN'T SHOWING THE EASEMENT ON YOU'RE SHOWING US THE EASEMENT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS IS THAT IT IS NOT SHOWN AT ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN WHICH SEEMS PRETTY TO FIT FOR A SITE PLAN. YEAH IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND AGAIN THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP IDENTIFYING LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE EASEMENT THAT WILL NEED TO BE VERIFIED IN I KNOW LIKE A PREVIOUS SLIDE SAID REGARDING RETAINING WALLS NO RETAINING WALL PROPOSED AT THIS TIME I TOO HAVE BEEN TO THIS SITE AND IT IS A DROP AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BY WATERSHED OR IT WILL GO THROUGH OUR BUILDING PERMIT OR EXCUSE ME OR BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING GIVEN THAT THERE IS AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL AS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE SURVEY NEEDS TO BE WITHIN LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS CURRENT.

I AM NOT FAMILIAR A YEAR REQUIREMENT AND I WILL CHECK ON THAT BUT YEAH THAT DOES MAKE IT SOMEWHAT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINES BEEN ADJUSTED LIKE YOU SEE HERE IS THIS PROPERTY LINE TO BE ABANDONED WHILE THE PROPERTY LINES HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN ADJUSTED THROUGH THE REPLANNING PROCESS AND THEY WERE GIVEN A VARIANCE ALSO TO ENCROACH BY FIVE FEET WITHIN A TEN FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IN ORDER TO HELP PRESERVE 34 INCH OAK SO AND SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GETTING. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR YET WHICH IT HARD TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CLEAR INFORMATION WHICH I HESITATE TO SUGGEST PERHAPS THE APPLICANT BE OF ASSISTANCE AS A DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF SPECIFIC BEFORE WE MOVE ON THERE AND APPLICATION QUESTIONS MAINLY YOU HAD MENTIONED THE UTILITY AND YOU SAID IN THE IN ANY MOTION YOU STOPPED IT THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS BUT YOU ARE OR THE APPLICANT COULD TALK ABOUT THAT I MEAN THERE IS A HUGE WATER MAIN ON THAT LOT AND I STILL DON'T SEE IT ON HERE AND IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUSHES SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT IN THE COMMON AREA. I SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK OUT HERE TODAY AND I CAN PICTURE OF IT BUT I MEAN IT'S JUST IT COULD BE IN THE WHERE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING I GO BACK AND I'LL

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ASK YOU THIS CHARLOTTE THE NARRATIVE HAS ONE AND A HALF OR ONE AND A HALF THREE HOUSE AND I SEE THIS LAST MONTH AND I DID A LITTLE CHECK TODAY AND TYPICALLY A ONE AND A HALF STORY HAS MOST OF THE SECOND FLOOR BUILT INTO THE ROOF AND THIS LOOKS LIKE IT AND IT'S NOT IT'S ACTUALLY 75% IT'S NOT A 50% OFF. IT IS NOT A ONE AND A HALF STOREY HOUSE AND IT'S SO BIG ON THAT LOT AND THE COUNTY NOW I MEAN THEY CAN'T START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THE COUNTY LOOKS AT THE BANK AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WATER KNOWS IF THIS PASSES THAT WE BELIEVE IT IT'S EROSION THAT MEANS IT'S NOT A VERY SIMPLE BANK AND A LOT HOUSE ON A LITTLE BIT OF LAND IN IT ANY HOUSE WE COULD FIND HOUSE THAT FITS THERE THIS HOUSE TO ME IS JUST NOT THE HOUSE FOR THIS LOT THE MANSON SCALE OR WHAT DID YOU CALL IT YOU CALL IT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO GET DON'T TELL ME VISUAL COMPATIBILITY IS AS IT WAS IN THE STUDIO THE REST OF THE AREA AT THAT LOT SO I THINK THAT MAYBE THIS QUESTION JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU I THINK IT INDICATED ONE AND A HALF STORIES ON THE APPLICATION BUT IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT SECOND FLOOR IS ACTUALLY EIGHT FEET A LITTLE MORE THAN EIGHT FEET. IS THAT WHAT QUALIFIES AS A FULL STORY HERE THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ALONG THAT LINE AS THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO PRESENT WHEN LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. GOOD EVENING VERY BRIGHT AGAIN QUESTIONS I GUESS FIRST UP FOR THE SURVEY DO YOU ALL HAVE PLANS OR HAVE YOU STARTED THE PROCESS OF GETTING AN UPDATED SURVEY? WE WILL BE UPDATING THE SURVEY BECAUSE I THINK ALSO THE TYPE OF BANK NEEDS TO BE DEFINED NOW THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE TYPE OF BANK BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OLD SURVEY AND WHEN WE REMOVE THAT VEGETATION IT ACTUALLY GETS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AS TO WHERE THAT TYPE OF BANK IS.

YOU ANTICIPATE IT MOVING UP OR BACK OR I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE BACK TOWARDS 34 WHICH IS A LOT BEHIND BUT THAT DOESN'T IMPACT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE THE TYPE OF BANK AND ONE CLARIFICATION THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWS ROOM NOT THE FOUNDATION SO.

THERE IS AN 18 INCH OVERHANG ON THERE SO PROBABLY UP AGAINST IT AT THE CORNER OF EACH WALL AND AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WE CAN'T EVEN PORT THE FOOTERS UNTIL WE GET A FORM BOARD SURVEY AND THEN FORMAL SURVEY IS GOING TO SHOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN OR OUT OF THAT EASEMENT. SO IF WE FORM IT IN THE EASEMENT WE CAN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE. WE HAVE TO MOVE IT AGAIN. AND THE WATER MAIN QUESTION IS THE WATER MAIN IS IN THE COMMON AREA. OKAY.

IT'S NOT ON IT'S NOT ON THE LOT. IT IS SO CONFUSING WITH THE SURVEY. WELL IT'S HARD TO TELL. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND STOMP IT OUT TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THE PROPERTY PANEL IS BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S IN THAT PALMETTO TREE THAT'S OVER THERE BECAUSE IF WE FIND THE PROPERTY THEN OKAY, IT'S SEEMS HARD TO DESIGN THE HOUSE IF YOU DON'T ON A LOT THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PARAMETERS YOU HAVE YOU KNOW MEANING I THINK WE DO KNOW I MEAN WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE AWARE WE'RE AWARE OF THE LOT LINES WE'RE OF THE SETBACKS WE GOT A VARIANCE TO GET INTO THAT SIDE SETBACK SO THAT WE COULD GET AWAY FROM THAT BIG TREE BANK ISSUE IS THE HARDEST ONE FOR ME TOO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOIL REPORT IS TO DO AND WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO RULE ON. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THAT AN ENGINEERING ISSUE OR IS THAT AN HPC ISSUE? WELL, IT'S AN ENGINEERING ISSUE FIRST BUT IT WILL NECESSARILY AFFECT THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE WHICH IS PART OF OUR PURVIEW AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN APPROVALS TO GET MOVE FORWARD TO GET ENGINEERING GOING. BUT IT SOUNDS COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE THAT WORKED THIS YEAR.

DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE TO WAIT ON COUNTY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOP OF BANK OR THE DITCH TO

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GET A NEW SURVEY? SHOULDN'T KNOW BUT AGAIN I GUESS I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY IF THE HOUSE IS SITED OUTSIDE TOP OF BANK ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE STABILITY OF THE LOT OR THE SOIL OR THE BANK IS THAT AN HPC ISSUE OR IS THAT AN ENGINEERING ISSUE? IF SOMETHING IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND THE HOUSE CAN'T BE SITED WHERE IT'S PROPOSED TO BE SITED AND DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD BECAUSE THE AREA OF EROSION THAT THEY'RE TALKING IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN AND WHERE YOU THAT WHERE IT READS DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND THERE'S A LINE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THAT'S WHERE THAT EROSION IS AS FAR AWAY FROM WHERE WE HAVE THAT HOUSE SITED AND YOU'RE POINTING AT THE HAYWARD STREET SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE 34 DRAINAGES. YEAH.

WHERE IT READS WHERE IT READS DRAINAGE EASEMENT I SEE THAT. YEAH SO AND OUR INTENTION WITH THIS AS IT WAS ON THE GARAGE ON LOT SIX WHICH WAS ALSO EXTREMELY TO THE TOP OF BANK WE SUNK HELICAL PILES IN THERE BEFORE WE POURED THAT SLAB TO MAKE SURE THAT THING WAS IN THERE GOOD AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE THING HERE BUT AGAIN NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING DO WITH HPC. I DON'T THINK IF IT DOES I APOLOGIZE AND PLEASE TELL ME HOW NO. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST EXPRESSING IDEA THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT RIGHT. I HAVE SOME CONCERN AND CERTAINLY GOING TO GO FORWARD UNTIL YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE GOES TO SIGN OFF ON IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A SITE PLAN THAT HAVE ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION. I WOULD NOT AGREE MORE.

YEAH YEAH YOU'RE CORRECT. WE WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS LAST TIME ON THE STATE OF THE DRAWINGS AND YOU GUYS MADE AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THOSE AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING THEM LAST OUT HERE AND WE STILL KIND OF DON'T REALLY HAVE DRAWINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY UPDATED FOR THAT AND YOU KNOW EASEMENT ISSUE POPPED UP BECAUSE IT WASN'T SHOWN AT ALL AND THE PREVIOUS SLIDE PLAN I JUST FEEL THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE A DECISION WHAT WHAT INFORMATION IS MISSING AS IT RELATES TO THIS ONE THING ONE ONE OUTLINE THAT WE'RE SHOWING THE LANDSCAPING WHERE IT SHOWS THE EASEMENT BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED SURVEY AND THEN THE APPLICANT ITSELF HAS SAYING THEY CAN'T FIND THE PROPERTY PIN THAT'S CONCERNING AND THEN HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WELL HOW CAN YOU BUILD ON IT IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE YEAH IT'S ARCHITECTURAL I MEAN WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD AND HAVE THAT COME BACK. I MEAN IF YOU HAD LIKE A PERFECTLY TO GO SET OF PLAN THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF STRETCHING WHAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH AND JUST HAVING A LETTER WAS HEARING ALL ANSWERS TO THESE THINGS LIKE YOUR PLANS ARE BASED ON INFORMATION THAT'S NOT COMPLETE AND POWER I THINK I DON'T KNOW I MEAN WE WE DID WHAT WE COULD FROM WHEN WE MET THE OTHER DAY OBVIOUSLY WE WERE IN A TIME CRUNCH AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET GET THINGS MOVING AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE INFORMATION I MEAN WE'RE WORKING FROM DRAWINGS WHETHER I GO OUT TO THE SITE AND I CAN LOCATE A PIN. THE GROUND I THINK IS FOR THE MOST PART KIND OF IRRELEVANT. I'M DRAWING AND DESIGNING A HOUSE BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? SO THE DRAWINGS THAT HAVE ARE THE PROPERTY LINES, THE SETBACKS, ALL OF THAT STUFF AND SO EVERYTHING'S BEEN WORKED AROUND AROUND THOSE THOSE CONSTRAINTS RIGHT? SO I MEAN WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE WATER LINE AND THAT AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T FIND A PEN HOW HOW CRITICAL THAT IS AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD SIDELINE PROGRESS IN THE WHOLE THING AND ALSO THE STABILITY OF THE BANK ITSELF BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU NEED TO MOVE THE HOUSE BACK WHAT WOULD HAVE YOU TO ADJUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE BANK IS NOT STABLE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE HOUSE FOUNDATION.

I MEAN OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF THE SOIL AT THE TOP OF THE BANK AND

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THAT ISN'T STABLE ENOUGH TO THE HOUSE I GUESS I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND I SAW IT MYSELF LIKE IT IS A STEEP DROP AND THAT ALSO SEEMS LIKE A WATERSHED THING LIKE WHAT IF WHAT IF WATERSHED DOESN'T APPROVE IT OR HAS CONDITIONS ON THIS WHY WOULD WE APPROVE PLANS WHEN THEY COULD VERY WELL CHANGE? WELL IF YOU WERE APPROVING RIGHT? I GUESS WHAT WATERSHED AGAIN I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE NOT THE FUNCTION BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT THIS HOME IS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR OLD TOWN BLUFFTON WHETHER OR NOT STORM WATER SIGNS OFF OR HAS CONDITIONS IS I DON'T THINK CHANGES THE HISTORIC APPROPRIATENESS OF THE STRUCTURE SIZE IT WILL YES IT HAS TO I MEAN IF IT HAS TO MOVE OR WE START GETTING INTO SETBACK ISSUES BUT BUT EVEN STORMWATER I DON'T THINK ANY SAY OVER WHERE THE HOUSE IS SITED THEY'RE THEY'RE WHAT CAN SAY IS YOU HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT RUNOFF ISN'T GETTING INTO THE RIGHT DITCH AND INTO WHEREVER. AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE ISSUES THAT ARE ALREADY HANDLED IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THIS BOARD REVIEWS ALL THE ARCHITECTURE, THE FOOTPRINT, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TREE ,EVERYTHING I MEAN IT'S NOT JUST IS THIS A HISTORICALLY HISTORIC HOUSE? IS EVERYTHING TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ONE SORT OF STILL FRUSTRATED WITH THE STATE OF THE PLANS AND TO SORT OF REALIZING HERE THAT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, SEVEN YEAR OLD SURVEY THAT'S MISSING A LOT OF INFORMATION I THE SITE AND DOESN'T SHOW THE EASEMENT SO I THINK WITH THE SOIL I MEAN YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE ASSUMING RIGHT NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS GOOD AND THAT THE CAN BE BUILT. WE'RE EXCITED IF WE GET IN THERE AND WE START EXCAVATING THE FOOTERS AND FALLS AWAY. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S TIME REEVALUATE WE STOP AND THEN AND I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THE HOUSE SMALLER OR LESS CHANGE THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK HERE YOU KNOW OR WITH YEAH YOU KNOW TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT YOU JUST TOLD US THAT THE TOP OF BANK HAS PROBABLY CHANGED QUITE A BIT WITH THE SURVEY. WELL, I THINK NEW INFORMATION IT'S THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING US SOMETHING ACCURATE AND YOU'RE NOT SHOWING THE EASEMENT EITHER.

OKAY. I WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS BUT THE INFORMATION I MEAN WE THIS IS THE PIECE THAT WE SET THAT WENT THROUGH THE PLANS JUST THIS WEEK. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD AN UNDERSTANDING YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLANS ARE ON TOP OF THE SURVEY AND IT SHOULD IT SHOULD BE LIKE THE ELEMENTS OF THE SURVEY YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY IT SHOULD HAVE YOU OUGHT BE HAVE YOU ORDERED THE SURVEY ANYWAY? RIGHT. WOW. THIS IS MORE OF A DESIGN DRAWING, ISN'T IT. I'M CIVIL ENGINEER BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE.

I THINK WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT ON MONDAY AS WELL AND I GUESS MY PROBLEM IS ON THE THIRD TIME THE ONE AND A HALF STORY IN THE NARRATIVE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD ALONG WHICH I WAS EXCITED TO SEE AND WHEN I SAW IT THROUGH STORY HOUSE WITH A CONNECTED CONNECTED TO THE GARAGE SO CLOSE TO THAT TOP OF AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE TOP OF MY CHANGE I'LL TELL YOU I THINK IT DID CHANGE. I AM NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AS SURVEY GUY I'LL STAY IN MY LANE BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S CLOSER TO TO THE BUILDABLE AREA AND THEN IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK YOU KNOW WE HAVE MANY APPLICATIONS AND WE'RE YOU A THIRD TIME WITH A WHOLE NEW PLAN.

SO I THINK IT FALLS ON THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE WITH A SURVEY BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT CHANGES THAT HOUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.

I DON'T THINK IT GOES HD OR SEE NOT COME BACK NOT UNLESS WE APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.

YEAH SO I MEAN I'M I'M TRYING TO STAY ON THAT LANE. YOU KNOW I THINK THE WINDOW CHANGES ALL GREAT BUT I'M JUST STUCK ON THE AND THE WEIGHT OF THAT HOUSE ON A VERY SMALL BUILDABLE AREA VERY SMALL AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT TREE BUT IT JUST YOU KNOW

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THESE SIMPLY CONFUSE ME CHARLOTTE I'M SITTING WITH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT SO I WISH WE WOULD HAVE HAD A SITE A TRUE UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH THIS AND YOU CAN TRULY SEE THE TOP OF BANK RATHER THAN DO ALL THIS WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY COME BACK AND I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU STARTING BUILDING UNTIL THE COUNTY ADDRESSES THAT EROSION THAT WOULD BE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FALLS THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW BUT I KNOW HOW SLOW MOVE SO YOU SEEM TO BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS WHOLE TYPE OF THING. CAN YOU TELL ME LIKE HOW IS IT DEFINED? WHERE IS IT DEFINED YOU MAKE THE DECISION THAT IT'S DETERMINED BY THE SURVEYOR SURVEY REALLY A SURVEY, RIGHT? YEAH BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION FOR THE LONGEST TIME IS IS THERE A SET OF COORDINATES THAT DEFINES THIS DID DID THE HECK DEFINE THIS? AND THE ANSWER BECAME NO.

THE SURVEY THE SURVEYOR GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS HERE'S THE TOP OF BANK HERE RIGHT SPLIT OFF AND THEN IT DROPS. RIGHT? I MEAN IT IS SLOPING BANK BY ANY MEANS AND I I MEAN I THINK THERE IS A HOUSE THAT WILL SIT ON THIS LOT THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BUT I BUT I'VE THOUGHT IN THESE APPLICATIONS I MEAN I ASKED TO DO AN UPDATED SURVEY ON A SMALL PROJECT I HAD TO DO SCIENTIST AND A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY WE SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT LAST MONTH AND I JUST HEARD IT SAID AND I'M SORRY BACK TO THE ONE AND A HALF VERSUS TWO AND THIS MAY BE MY FROM PREVIOUS STAFF WAS THAT DEFINITION WAS 50% SECOND FLOOR AREA IS THAT CORRECT SO THE SECOND FLOOR CANNOT EXCEED 50% OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND THAT'S WHAT DEFINES A ONE AND A HALF VERSUS A TWO STOREY HOUSE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I READ THAT YOUR SECOND FLOOR IS 75% OF YOUR OR MAYBE I'VE SO 70% WHICH IS OTHER THE OTHER BUILDING TYPE I'M SORRY I I SAID 50 I WAS PROBABLY BUT WE IT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE UNDER THAT RATIO AND RIGHT WHATEVER WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IF IT'S 70 IF IT'S AND I HAVE STAFF THAT AND EVERYONE HAS NOW TOLD ME THIS IS A TWO STORY BUT IT WAS ALWAYS STARTED TO BE A ONE AND A HALF AND IT'S I MEAN IT JUST CHANGES AND I'VE GONE THROUGH TOWN I'VE FOUND A DOZEN ONE AND A HALF STOREY HOUSES AND THEY DO IT WITHIN THE ANGLE OF THE ROOF. IT'S NOT A TRUE TWO STOREY YOU KNOW, WITH A AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS LOT BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO SMALL IT'S JUST A HARD BUILDABLE LOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ON IT. BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A HOUSE THAT COULD FIT ON IT AND RATIOS ONE THING THAT'S DICTATED AND VERY PRESCRIPTIVE BUT MASSING IN SCALE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ONE IT'S LOOK IT'S KIND OF THE ONLY VAGUE ONE WE HAVE IN THE YOUDO FOR THE HPC TO SAY DOES IT FEEL LIKE IT FITS OR NOT AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT THAT THEY'RE RAISING.

DO YOU THINK IT DOESN'T FIT OR IT DOESN'T FEEL BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE? IS THAT WHAT'S DRIVING THAT THE SIZE IS THE LOT LIKE THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST LOT THAT WE HAVE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE AND IT'S ALSO RIGHT UP AGAINST THOMAS HAYWARD STREET SO YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES LIKE AROUND IT AND THE HEIGHT AND MASS OF IT AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A TINY LITTLE DONUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT AND THEN ACROSS THE ACROSS THE STREET IS A SMALLER HOUSE WELL SO IT'S LIKE IT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SIZE OF OF THE PREMISES THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND ALSO WHAT'S AROUND IT. OKAY I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO BEGIN WITH THAT.

YEAH SO I DON'T WANT TO PRESUME TO THINK WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO VOTE BUT I KIND TELL WHICH WAY THE WIND BLOWING I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE THING. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF A DISCUSSION BEFORE. SURE.

AND I APOLOGIZE THE SURVEY ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP. I DON'T THINK WE WE DID DESCRIBE THE SIDEWALK MISSING IN SOME OTHER PORTIONS BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT QUITE DEEP INTO IT. YEAH, BUT I HAVE STORY THE EXTERIOR WALL HAS TO BE THREE FEET OR LESS PREPARED IF TWO AND A HALF STORY THE EXTERIOR WALL SUPPORTING THE ROOF SHELVING DOWN MORE THAN THREE FEET ABOVE THE FLOOR LEVEL SO A 75% OR THE THE AREA WITH HEADROOM FIVE FEET OR MORE OCCUPIES BETWEEN 30 AND 70% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE

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STORY DIRECTLY BENEATH IT MAKES THE TWO STORY BASINS SO KIND OF IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE IN LAST MONTH AND FORTUNATELY WE CAN TAKE A VOTE IF YOU'D LIKE TO.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER CONDITIONS, THE BUILDING TYPE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT PROMPTLY IF WE DON'T KNOW THE BUT THE BUILDING TYPE PLAYS INTO THE SETBACK AND I BELIEVE THE REAR SETBACK IS THE WHAT CHANGES WHAT THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE IS THAT CORRECT.

NOT THE SIDES AND I THINK THE SAME CHANGE AS WELL BELIEVE SO WHAT WAS THAT IN HIS MIND IF I COULD STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT REAR OH YEAH WE'RE FINE WE'RE SO LUCKY SO SO IF IT IF IT CHANGES TO A TWO STOREY I THINK STILL FINE TECHNICALLY YEAH WITH THAT EXCEPT FOR THE SOMEWHAT VAGUE MASSING INAPPROPRIATE SCALE I SAY THAT CORRECTLY.

YES. OKAY. YEAH OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE WE YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WE HAD THE LOWER WE WERE ASKED TO RAISE THEM BY THE TOWN. WE'VE DONE THAT AND THAT HELPED . NOW WE'VE ADDED MASSING WHICH OVER THE OF THE WHOLE THING IS VERY VERY BIG SO YOU KNOW AND THAT WAS STILL NOT EVEN EXACTLY SURE WHY WE DID THAT AND WHEN WAS THE PLATE ASKED TO BE RAISED? WE HAD TO MOVE THE HEAD HIGH TO THE WINDOW. I THINK AND SO WE HAD TO MOVE THE PLATE HEIGHT UP TO DO THAT.

NO WAY OH THAT JUST THE LITTLE THAT WAS SHED ON THE END WE HAD ASKED YOU GUYS TO THE WINDOW ALL OF THE WINDOWS OF ALL THE WINDOWS THE SEVEN FEET DOWN REMEMBER WE HAD UP AT EIGHT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO LOWER TO SEVEN AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT YOUR SHATTERED ROOF IN THE SAME SPOT AND WOULD HAVE ADDED SOME HEADER ABOVE THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS.

LOOK IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION THERE WE HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE FRONT WITH THE OVERHANG NOT A OVERHANG BUT THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAIL OVERHANG AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION I THINK WAS WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE DRAWING WHICH IS ONE DIMENSIONAL, YOU DON'T SEE THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE ROOF OVERHANG COMES DOWN AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS OBJECTED TO AND THEREFORE WE RAISED THE TOP OF THE ON THAT FIRST GO AROUND NOT NOT FOR THE FIRST GO AROUND WAS THERE BECAUSE THE ROOF THE WALLS COME UP THE ROOF GOES LIKE THIS IT GOES LIKE AND SO WE HAD GOT THOSE PLATE HEIGHTS AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.

WELL THE ONE DRAWING I WAS LOOKING AT ON MONDAY THE TOP OF THE WINDOW AND THE PLATE HEIGHT WERE THE SAME NUMBER AND YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A PLATE LET ALONE A HEADER ON THE BACK RIGHT RIGHT IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS.

SO SO SO IT WAS KIND OF DRAWING QUALITY AND YOU KNOW, JUST DIDN'T WORK BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND THE ROOF THAT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT I'M BUILDING TYPE YEAH BUT TWO STORIES IS A LITTLE BIT RESUBMITTED AS WE SUBMITTED THIS ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL BUILDING THAT AND I THINK THAT WAS DRIVEN MOSTLY BY THE SETBACK WELL WE DID THAT ON THE OTHER ALL THE OTHER ALL THE OTHER HOUSES WE DID IS ONE AND A HALF STORY. I THINK WE TRIED TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT WHICH IS WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY. I MEAN WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE AS IT'S PART OF THE LAND AND COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A MOBILE HOME ACROSS THE STREET FROM THOMAS HAYWARD AND THERE IS A LITTLE DONUT SHOP ON THE CORNER BEHIND THIS HOUSE THAT WE TO DO AS PART OF OUR BIG FOCUS HAS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION THERE SO WE'RE KIND OF AT TWO STORIES IS ALLOWED BUT IT'S THE QUESTION OF THE SIZE AND MASSING. I HAVE KIND OF BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL WITH THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT IS SMALL AND IT'S KIND OF A CONSIDERATION FOR SAVING THE LIVE OAK. IN MY BOOK AND SHIFTING OVER ON THE SETBACK LINE WAS THAT THAT TWO STORIES THAT SECOND STORY IS GOING TO KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT TO JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIT THINGS INSIDE OF IT WITHOUT BECAUSE IF YOU DROP THE BEARING YOU START NEEDING MORE SPACE OR A SMALLER SPACE INSIDE AND THAT WAS OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR ME WAS SAVING THE TREE AND THE FOOTPRINT IS SMALL OKAY.

YEAH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T OTHER OPINIONS UP HERE THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I WAS FEELING ABOUT IT. SCALE WAS YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? I AGREE WITH LISA AT ONE POINT IT REALLY I FEEL THE SAME WAY THEN THE ECONOMIC PART OF THE

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EQUATION THAT I'LL UP IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT BUT IF YOU THERE'S A OBJECTIVE OPINION TO BE HAD ABOUT THE MASSING AND THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.

SO YOU WANT ME TO GO ONE AND A HALF STORIES YOU WANT ME TO START SCALING DOWN? YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE WHOLE ECONOMIC SIDE TO THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW VERY WELL WITH THAT SO YOU KNOW THAT'S A CONSIDERATION I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE AS WELL. I THINK OUR LARGER PURVIEW IS HOW IT FITS INTO I UNDERSTAND AMOUNT THAT THE HOUSE HAS GOT TO BE THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A IT'S AN EAST WEST LOT, RIGHT? THE BUILDING IS EAST WEST IT'S NOT NORTH SOUTH LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS OF THE OTHER HOUSES BECAUSE THOSE ARE NORTH SOUTH LOTS THE MASSING IS PROBABLY GREATER THAN WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE AND ALL THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD. IT'S NOT JUST THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT'S ALL THE ELEVATIONS THAT REALLY MATTER, RIGHT? SURE. SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE BEING PENALIZED HERE BECAUSE NOW OF A SUDDEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A YOU KNOW, AN EAST WEST LOT.

WELL, I THINK THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS TOO TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING IT FROM THE BEGINNING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCALE APPROPRIATE TO THE SITE TO THE SITE, TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, TO THE TWO OLD TOWN AS A WHOLE. YEAH.

SO WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THIS BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE THERE WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THEM BEEN WORKED THROUGH BESIDES SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT MISSING WHICH THOSE ARE THE DETAILS I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH STUFF TAKING A LOOK AT BUT I THINK THE LARGER ISSUES THE SCALE FROM MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION HERE AND I'M SORRY ONE CLARIFICATION THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPE NOT THE SCALE OF THE LOT SCALE THE BUILDING MASS RELATIVE TO THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOT NOT THE LOT SIZE JUST AS AS HOWARD SAID THIS PROBABLY ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS OR ONE OF THE BIGGER LOTS OUT THERE IN THIS HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE OUT THERE. IT'S JUST THAT THE BUILDABLE AREA OF LOT IS SMALLER THAN WHAT WE HAD ON THE OTHER ONES I THINK JUST THE THE PERCEPTION OF THE HEIGHT OF IT IN RELATION HAYWARD IN RELATION TO THE THE NEIGHBORING LOTS IS I'M I'M JOE AND I I THINK, I HAVE COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS AND YOU HAVE TO GO A CERTAIN HEIGHT TO MAKE ECONOMIC MAKE SENSE AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A LOT LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE THREE OTHERS HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT SO MASSING IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE LARGER THAN JUST CONDITIONS OF OF YOU KNOW, DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY WILL VOTE. I GUESS ALSO MY QUESTION IS I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT'S SUBJECTIVE I MEAN ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE GO BACK AND START ALL OVER AGAIN AND I MEAN IF IT WERE YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE SOMETHING THAT HEY, YOU CAN'T BE TALLER THAN X FEET AND THEN WE DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT WAS TALLER THAN SIX FEET THAT'S ON US. WE DID THAT WRONG.

BUT IF WE'VE IF WE'VE DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT FITS IN THE BUILDABLE AREA AND SHOULD BE FINE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT NOT THE BUILDABLE AREA I KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO BACK AND AND TRY TO MAKE THIS PALATABLE I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECTIVE IT'S JUST YOU KNOW YOU'RE SAYING WELL IT'S TOO BIG.

OKAY, WELL IT'S TOO BIG. I DON'T KNOW NOT THIS. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T I CAN'T FIX THESE PLANS AND I'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THESE COMMUNITIES THAT I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST SEEM TO BE TRASH AND WALK AWAY AND START ALL OVER AGAIN.

BUT BUT THEN WHAT'S THE AND THEN WHAT'S THE TARGET? WHAT AM I AIMING FOR? WHO'S THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS ANYWAY HOWARD DESIGNED WE HAVE A CAD GUY OUT IN COLORADO THAT

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WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT SO ONE LOCAL MATTER YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MASSIVE SCALE AND THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PART OF THIS COMMISSION FOR THE AGES I REMEMBER THE FIRST HPC WE HAD AND MASS AND SCALE IS TALKED ABOUT A LOT IT THE TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY BOTHERS ME THIS YEAR I JUST ALREADY IT AND I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU KNOW I THINK WHEN YOU GET THAT SURVEY IT MIGHT DO YOU BETTER AND THAT MAY BE GREAT BUT WE NOT KNOWING YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF BANK AND IF IT WENT STRAIGHT WHICH IT SURE APPEARED TO BE STRAIGHT ACROSS WHEN I WALKED AND I DO TRY TO GO TO ALL THESE I'M NOT JUST GOING TO LOOK AT IT ON PAPER I WANT THIS TO WORK BUT IT'S GOING TO MESS UP YOUR GARAGE IS GOING TO MESS YOU KNOW THE WAY I THINK IT IS IF IT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW TOP OF BANK CHANGES FOR THE BETTER GIVE YOU MORE LAND ESPECIALLY WITH EROSION SO THE SURVEY BOTHERS ME NOT KNOWING I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNOW WHAT BEAUFORT COUNTY IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THE EROSION THE WEIGHT OF THAT HOUSE ON BANK THAT'S ERODING AGAIN LIKE YOU SAID IF IT DOES CRUMBLE WE'RE ALL IN A MESS AND IT KIND OF FALLS ON TOO BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED IT.

I FEEL IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AND THEN THE WORST HAPPENS I HOPE THE HAPPENS THEN WHOSE POINT FINGERS AND WHO AT THAT POINT WHEN WE WILLINGLY WE KNOW FROM WHAT CHARLOTTE SAID THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH EROSION SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT LINE.

I ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULD ABLE TO BUILD ON A LOT IF IT'S SLATTED FOR A LOT BUT I JUST I GO THROUGH MY MIND WITH OTHER TYPES OF ARCHITECTS THAT AREN'T EVEN LOCAL THAT HAVE THE THEY HAVE HOUSES DESIGNED FOR OUR TYPE OF AREA YOU KNOW LIKE ALISON RAMSEY AND YOU CAN BUY THEM OFF THE OFF THE INTERNET THEY DO HAVE HOUSES THAT CAN FIT LONG LOTS NOT AS DEEP.

SO THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS MAINLY THAT SURVEY NOT KNOWING AND I DO APOLOGIZE I WISH I'D HAVE PICKED IT UP LAST MONTH BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT IN A MONTH.

WELL AGAIN I MEAN THE SURVEY QUESTION WE CAN'T BUILD IT IF IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND YOU EROSION EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO SAY OKAY IT'S NOW IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HPC BECOMES ALMOST LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHERE YOU YOU KNOW WHAT IF SOMEBODY I MEAN IT'S NOT OUR LIABILITY LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO WALK IN HERE AND SAY THAT LINE IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THAT IS INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ME LOOKING AT IT THAT'S NOT THE SURVEY OR ANYTHING.

CAN WE GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION JUST ON THE HEIGHT BEING TOO TALL IN YOUR FEELINGS IS THAT MOSTLY ON THAT RIGHT SIDE THE STREET IF IT HAD SOME TWO STORY ELEMENT KIND OF MORE OVER TOWARDS WHERE THE THE FRONT PORCH IS THAT STILL OKAY IS IT MOSTLY THE HEIGHT AGAINST THOMAS HAYWARD OR THE FURNITURE ISN'T I WISH IT LOOKED MORE LIKE YOU KNOW THE HAYWARD IS A ONE AND A HALF STOREY HOUSE. GENESIS CONSTRUCTION I'M WONDERING HOW STREET HOUSE I WANT WROTE ALL THROUGH SOME OLDER HOMES ARE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BUT SOME THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THROUGH HPC IT KIND OF GOES WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ON A ONE AND A HALF STORY. I MEAN IS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A ONE AND A HALF STORY IF I READ THROUGH YOUR NARRATIVE AND WAS ALL EXCITED AND I GET TO THE PLAN I'M LIKE IT JUST LOOKS BIG AND IT'S NOT ME BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 900 SQUARE FEET BASED SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I MEAN THAT'S ONLY 1600 SQUARE FEET WHICH EVEN MORE REASON TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION INTO YOU KNOW YOU'RE DRIVING IN AND THAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AND THE SIDE OF IT IS GOING TO WHAT EVERYONE SEES AND IT JUST FEELS OVERBEARING AND I'M TRYING TO BE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW DORMERS OR OR A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW THE ROOF IS DIFFERENT OR MORE OF THIS SECOND FLOOR GOES INTO THE ROOF TO ME COMES HOUSE WITH THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT CUL DE SAC. YEAH AND I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT JUST LOOKING AT THE GARAGE IT'S A LOWER IT'S ON A NEW WALL AND IT HAS POPPED UP A DORMER TO GET A BETTER HEAD.

I MEAN I THINK EXPLORING SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY HELP IS THE MASSING ISSUE OR THE MASSING CONCERN EXACTLY IF YOUR SECOND FLOOR LOOK MORE LIKE YOUR GARAGE FLOOR IN A WAY I

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THINK IT LOWERS IT IN WAY I MEAN IT APPEARS IT COULD STILL BE TWO STORY BUT IT APPEARS THIS WHOLE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE I MEAN THERE IS A HOUSE I'M SURE THERE IS A TYPE OF HOUSE IF IT'S ON THIS LOT IN OUR STUDIO AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO GO TO THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND WE IT'S OUR UTM SO WE HAVE TO GRANT IT BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY LOOK AND SEE WHAT BUILDING I KEEP THIS LINE UP. YEAH THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL NOW I'M RADIO AND PEOPLE USE IT AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE IT THE FIRST THREE WERE ALL ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AND WE DID THAT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REAR SETBACK TO ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON THE SALE SUGGESTIONS I LIKE WHAT LISA SAYS.

I AGREE WITH WHAT LISA SAYS. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THEN IS TABLE IT AND LET US GO BACK AND WORK ON MASSING AND SCALE. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NOW AND ALSO MAYBE AN UPDATED SURVEY I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THE THREE.

YEAH. YES. WHO MANAGES THE COUNTY? IS IT US OR IS IT THE TOWN WHO WHO GETS THE COUNTY TO COME LOOK AT IS I ANYBODY IN MY CORNER SAID TO BECAUSE I DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE I MEAN IF THAT'S SOMETHING WATERSHED IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN SO I THINK YOU'RE STILL IN THAT WINDOW BY THE TIME THEY HAVE IT AND YOU COME BACK MAYBE IT'S ALL GOING TO BE IN LINE.

OKAY, I WILL A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION SECOND A SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE BIGGER I DIDN'T OKAY. WE'RE GOING FOR ANOTHER CARE APPROPRIATENESS FOR FIVE LAWTON

[VII.1. 5 Lawton Street: A request by Ansley Manuel (Manuel Studio), on behalf of James W. Jeffcoat Revocable Trust, Owner, for the review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD (Demolition) to allow the demolition of a non-contributing storage shed located at 5 Lawton Street in Old Town Bluffton Historic District within the Neighborhood Center - Historic District (ND- HD) zoning district. (COFA-03-25-019646) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

STREET SORRY FOR THE DELAY GUYS . WE'RE STILL HERE.

ALL RIGHTY. I WANT TO SAY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT'S VERY ON YOUR END. THINGS LIKE THIS MAKE OUR TOWN. THERE'S A METHOD TO OUR MADNESS AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON THINGS SO OUR TOWN CONTINUES TO BE GREAT, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T FEEL ABOUT TABLING NO ON EITHER APPLICATION.

OKAY. SO I CAN'T I'M SORRY I YOU SO THE ITEM BEFORE IS NOW IS FIVE LOT AND ST THIS IS A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING APPROXIMATELY BUILT IN 1950 IS A NINE CONTRIBUTING STORAGE SHED LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS KNOWN AS ECCENTRICITIES IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE SEE THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LAWTON BETWEEN CALHOUN BOUNDARY HERE IS A SURVEY SHOWING THE SHED LOCATED THE REAR YARD OF THE BUSINESS AND THE INTENTION IS TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AND BUILD ANOTHER CARRIAGE FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. PHOTOS PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING SHED A COMBINATION OF BLOCK WOOD CORRUGATED PANELS A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING TO BE HONEST WE DID LOOK AT THIS FOR A POTENTIAL FOR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS. THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA TO CONSIDER AND OUR FINDINGS THAT THIS IS NOT AGAIN NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE OR ELIGIBLE FOR 21 JOB.

IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATION'S MANUAL AND YOU MAY CONSIDER APPROVING THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED DENYING OR HAVING CONDITIONS ON THE APPLICATION STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT IT BE DEMOLISHED SO ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT WAY AT THIS POINT I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS THIS IN THE FUTURE PLANS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AND YOU SAID NO SO THAT WAS A QUESTION HAD TO TAKE IN A FURTHER DISCUSSION OF A PROMOTION HOW THIS GOES MOTION TO APPROVE THE THE THE DEMOLISHED OF THE

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CONTRIBUTING NON CONTRIBUTING SHED LOCATED BY I'LL SAY 2 SECONDS OKAY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON FAVOR I THANK YOU ALL COMPLETED OUR LAST CERTIFICATE OF PURPOSE THREE OR

[VII.2. 34 Thomas Heyward Street: A request by Jason Alexander, Applicant and Property Owner, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District (Demolition), to allow the demolition of an existing house located at 34 Thomas Heyward Street (Parcel R610 039 00A 0023 0000) in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District. The house, known as the Nellie and Leroy Brown Cottage, is a Contributing Resource to the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-04-25-019719) (Staff-Glen Umberger)]

FOUR TIMES WE RECEIVED GOOD EVENING SO OUR NEXT ITEM FOR THE NELLIE AND LEROY BROWN COTTAGE A CONSUMER RESOURCE AT NUMBER 34 THOMAS HAYWARD HOUSE OUR THOMAS STREET THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT JASON ALEXANDER THE OWNER FOR APPROVAL FOR COPY TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE 1054 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCE WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE NELLIE AND LEROY BROWN COTTAGE LOCATED IN THE OLD TOWN LUPTON HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE RED PEN IS. THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE FACING THOMAS HAYWARD STREET SHOWING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THE HOUSE THIS THE PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE 2008 SURVEY THAT WE DID MANY YEARS AGO NOW THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1942.

IT'S BEEN UNALTERED SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WENT OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, TOOK A NEW PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE SAME SPOT SHOWING THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOUSE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH UNDER THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION YOU HAVE TO REVIEW CRITERIA LISTED UNDER THE UDAS SECTION 318 FIVE BE ONE STEP BELIEVES THAT EACH OF THOSE CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET AS OUTLINED THE STAFF REPORT YOU ALSO CAN LOOK AT SECTION 318 FIVE B TO HPC IN THESE INSTANCES MAY DELAY A DECISION DEMOLITION FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS IF APPROVAL STAFF IS MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ANY FUTURE BUILDINGS WILL REQUIRE SEPARATE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ON THE SITE HPC AT YOUR DISCRETION MAY ALSO REQUIRE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING COMPONENTS FOR RE-USE THE DEMOLITION SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH ANY DEMOLITION GUIDELINES APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL WHICH INCLUDES DOCUMENTATION, DRAWINGS, PHOTOGRAPHS, ARCHIVAL MATERIALS ETC. AND THE DEMOLITION DOES NOT REMOVE ITS DESIGNATION AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT YOUR PURVIEW TONIGHT YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED OR YOU MAY CHOOSE TO EXERCISE THE OPTION OF TWO 318 5B2 TO POSTPONE THE DESIGNATION FOR A DESIGNATED PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY OF QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE DEMOLITION OF THIS COTTAGE AND I READ THROUGH THE NOTES, SAW THAT IT SAID UNHEALTHY ETC. SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE PRESERVED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I CAN ONLY GO BY WHAT THE I'M NOT A EXPERT IN PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES I CAN ONLY DEFER TO THOSE WHO ARE EXPERTS. OKAY. SO I HAVE TO DEFER TO THEM ON THAT POINT. THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 180 DAYS? SO 180 DAYS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS DENY IT SO THAT 180 DEGREE 180 DAY PERIOD IN THE YOUDO THAT 180 DAY PERIOD IS TO BE USED FOR AND I'LL JUST READ IT TO YOU DURING THE POSTPONEMENT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION MAY EXIST CONSIDERATION BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SHALL INCLUDE ALTERNATIVES FOR PRESERVATION OF THE STRUCTURE EITHER IN WHOLE OR IN PART INCLUDING CONSULTATION WITH CIVIC GROUPS INTERESTED PRIVATE CITIZENS, OTHER BOARDS OR AGENCIES BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AND. IF OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR PRESERVATION CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED INCLUDING, RELOCATION AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE CONTINUING RESOURCE IS

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