[00:00:01] THIS IS A CALL TO ORDER FOR THE JULY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING. [I. CALL TO ORDER] WEDNESDAY, JULY 2ND AT 6 P.M.. CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? CHAIRMAN EVANS. VICE CHAIRMAN. FRAZIER. COMMISSIONER. JIM HESS. COMMISSIONER. TIM. PROBST. COMMISSIONER. DEBBIE. WONDER. COMMISSIONER. LISA SILKE. HERE. OKAY. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 P.M. [III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT] UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30TH MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES. I'M LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF IT. [IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES] OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSE AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES. NIKKI GRAZIANI. [V. PUBLIC COMMENT] WE DID IT. HELLO HPC, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION. MY NAME IS NIKKI GRAZIANI. I'M THE OPERATIONS MANAGER OF THE HAYWARD HOUSE. WE ARE HERE TO STATE ABOUT 34, THOMAS HAYWARD AND THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE AND DEMOLISHING THAT HOUSE. AND WE HAVE FULLY READ THE STAFF REPORT AND IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF REPORT BASED ON THE STRUCTURAL DETERIORATION, MOLD, WATER DAMAGE IT'S BEEN DEEMED AN UNHEALTHY INDOOR ENVIRONMENT AND THEN THE PROPERTY AND THE HOME BEING UNABLE TO BE INSURED. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT REASONS TO SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THAT HOUSE. THE ONLY THING THE THE HBF IS ASKING FOR IN THIS REGARD. AND I'VE TALKED TO MR. ALEXANDER ABOUT THIS, AS WE WOULD LIKE, THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHS IN DETAIL, TO HOLD IN OUR ARCHIVES IN PERPETUITY FOR FUTURE USE AND OPPORTUNITIES OF RECONSTRUCTION AND EDUCATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS KOFA FOR 15 MERIWEATHER COURT. ALL I SAW WAS THE FOLDER THAT YOU HAD. SO THAT'S OPEN HERE. I'M SORRY, IS IT NOT IN HERE? I DIDN'T SEE ONE IN THE DMS FOLDER. ALL YOU HAD WAS A SEPARATE FOLDER FOR 15 MERRYWEATHER. SO? LET ME. GET MY COMPUTER REAL QUICKLY. I'LL GET TO THAT, I APOLOGIZE. I'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ME A MOMENT, I APOLOGIZE, I THOUGHT I HAD IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. APPARENTLY, I DO NOT. I'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE MINUTES AND THE AGENDA, I GUESS. IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE ONE OF THE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS UP? AND IF PROBABLY THE QUICKEST ONE WOULD BE 89? BRIDGE. OKAY, WE NEED TO DO THAT. SAM IS READY TO DO THAT. PLEASE. ON THAT? YES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE AHEAD TO 89 BRIDGE STREET. [VII.3. 89 Bridge Street: A request by Amanda Denmark (Pearce Scott Architects), on behalf of owners, Jamie and Allyn Oliver, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the conversion of an existing single-family residence into a bookstore with an associated icery located at 89 Bridge Street Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-03-25-019642) (Staff-Sam Barrow)] OKAY. OH, AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ONE, ACTUALLY. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T REALLY USE THE GAVEL, BUT JUST IN CASE. SURE. OKAY. WE'RE ON. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. THIS EVENING, I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICATION. [00:05:08] EXCUSE ME. I'M PRESENTING THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 89 BRIDGE STREET. THE APPLICATION IS REPRESENTED TONIGHT BY MRS. AMANDA DENMARK OF PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS. THE REQUEST IS TO OR. EXCUSE ME THE APPLICANT, AMANDA DENMARK OF PIERCE SCOTT ARCHITECTS. ON BEHALF THE OWNER, JIM OR JAMIE AND ALAN OLIVER REQUESTS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPROVED THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ALLOW RENOVATION AND CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO A BOOKSTORE WITH ASSOCIATED ICE RE LOCATED AT 89 BRIDGE STREET. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC. EXCUSE ME, OLD TOWN. BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE AT 89 BRIDGE STREET, IN THE VICINITY OF THE INTERSECTION OF WHARF AND BRIDGE STREETS AND THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK. THIS IS THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY. I WILL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO. YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR HERE. THIS FRONT PORTION HERE IS ENCLOSED A PORTION THAT FACES BRIDGE STREET. I ALSO HEAR ANOTHER VIEW. HERE. SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1418FT² AND CLASSIFIED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT. THIS PROJECT'S PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS REVIEWED BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON PLANNING COMMISSION ON JUNE 25TH, 2025, AND APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. HERE IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN OR EXCUSE ME, THE EXISTING SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT. THE PROPOSED. EXCUSE ME. THE EXISTING ON THE LEFT. PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT. MAJOR EXTERIOR CHANGES INCLUDE ON THE LEFT. HERE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THIS EXTERIOR DOOR, REMOVE THIS EXTERIOR WINDOW AND REMOVE THIS FRONT PORCH AREA THAT WE JUST SHOWED A SECOND AGO. CURRENTLY THIS WAS IS A STORAGE AREA. I USED TO BE A FRONT PORCH. AND SO THEY WALLED IT IN AND USE IT TO STORE STUFF. THE PROPOSED PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TO REPLACE AND WIDEN THE REAR DOOR FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY TO TO INCLUDE OR TO EXCUSE ME TO ADD A NEW WINDOW HERE ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION, REPLACE OR ADD A NEW DOOR HERE. REPLACE THIS WINDOW AS, AS A SECOND AGO. AND TO REPLACE OR EXCUSE ME, RECONSTRUCT THE FRONT OF THIS PORCH AREA. AGAIN, THE CURRENT ELEVATIONS, REMOVING THIS FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE, REMOVING THIS WINDOW, REPLACING THIS DOOR AND REMOVING THIS WINDOW AS WELL. THIS THIS BEING ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION. SEE, THIS IS FROM THE RIGHT. THIS IS THE THE REAR ADA ACCESSIBLE AREA. AND AGAIN, REMOVING THE FRONT PORTION. NO CHANGES TO THE REAR REAR ELEVATION. WHAT THE WILL THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE THEY WERE WILL GO TO THIS SIDE HERE FIRST. TO AGAIN TO REMOVE THIS FRONT STORAGE AREA AND RECONSTRUCT A A FRONT PORCH AREA, I GUESS. AND WITH THESE TWO DOUBLE DOORS HERE SMASHED ON BOTH SIDES WITH SINGLE PANE OR SINGLE PANE WINDOWS FOR STORE FRONT. REPLACE THIS WITH A MORE APPROPRIATE SIDE ENTRY DOOR. AND TO ADD THIS WINDOW PORTION HERE THAT CHANGES TO THE I'M SORRY, NO CHANGE TO THE REAR ELEVATION. AS I SAID BEFORE, AND I'M SORRY I DID NOT HIGHLIGHT THIS REAR DOOR. THEY WERE REPLACED, THIS ONE WITH A WIDER, MORE ADA FRIENDLY DOOR LANDSCAPE PLAN. THESE ARE YOUR REVIEW CRITERIA. STAFF FINDS THIS PLAN TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH ALL NUMBERS EXCEPT FOR NUMBER TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, NUMBER ONE. FIRST OF ALL, TO IDENTIFY THE WINDOW AND DOOR FINISH MATERIAL TO BE USED TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 5.15.6. I. NUMBER TWO IS TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW THE MINIMUM OF 75% TREE CANOPY LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENT HAS BEEN MET PER UDO 5.3.3. G DOT ONE. HERE ARE YOUR ACTIONS FOR THIS EVENING. [00:10:09] I'LL OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS COMMENTS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS AMANDA DENMARK. I'M WITH PETER SCOTT ARCHITECTS AND THE OWNERS ARE ALAN AND JAMIE OLIVER. AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADD A BOOKSTORE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'LL LET THEM KIND OF TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOUR PROJECT CONSISTS OF AND PUTTING ON THE SPOT. SHE WASN'T EXPECTING. THIS IS HER PROJECT. HI THERE. WE'RE JUST ADDING AN INDEPENDENT BOOKSTORE TO BLUFFTON. IT WOULD BE A COMMUNITY SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. WE WANT TO HAVE LOTS OF COMMUNITY EVENTS, AUTHOR SIGNINGS AND JUST THIS TOGETHER. WE WANT TO PUT AN ICE FREE ON THE SIDE JUST TO HELP KEEP TRAFFIC GOING IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. AND WE ARE ALL MISSING THE ICE CREAM IN OLD TOWN. BLUFFTON DISAPPEARED A COUPLE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE AN ODD LITTLE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REALLY ADD A FRONT PORCH TO IT. ADDS LANDSCAPING TO IT, REMOVE A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S REALLY QUITE UGLY IN THE BACK, AND HOPEFULLY JUST KIND OF SPRUCE IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND JUST BRING SOME LIFE INTO IT. YES. SO THE MAIN PART WAS JUST THAT FRONT PORCH AREA. CURRENTLY THEY USED IT AS A GOLF CART MAYBE AREA. IT LOOKED LIKE IT USED TO BE A FRONT PORCH AND THEN THEY CLOSED IT IN. SO WE'RE JUST TAKING THAT BACK TO BEING A FRONT PORCH, PUTTING DOORS AND SHOP FRONT WINDOWS. AND THEN THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE JUST REPLACING AND MATCHING THE TWO ON THE FRONT, WE'RE JUST MATCHING THE SAME ONES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT. THE DOORS WERE JUST REPLACING WITH NEW DOORS WITH LIGHT AND MAKING SURE THEY ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHERE THEY'RE LITTLE TINY WINDOW IS WHERE THE ICE WOULD GO. JUST MAKING THAT OPENING A LITTLE BIT LARGER. SO GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE THE WINDOWS. ARE THOSE ALUMINUM CLAD OR SOME OF THEIR. THERE'S A MIXTURE ON THE BUILDING. OKAY. CURRENTLY, PROBABLY 80% OF THEM ARE CLAD. I THINK THERE'S TWO IN THE BACK. THERE WAS SOME SOME ADDITIONS ADDED PRIOR TO US THAT ARE VINYL, BUT THEY'RE ON THE REAR ELEVATION. CAN'T SEEM TO BE USING MORE OF A. CLOUD. OKAY, THAT'S JUST A NOTE ON THE PLAN THAT'S EASY TO ADDRESS IN THE LANDSCAPE. I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITH ADDRESSING IT WITH THAT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? I APPRECIATE YOU COMING WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS ON THIS STAFF REPORT, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PREPARED. THE FUN PROJECT IS AN INTERESTING REIMAGINATION OF THAT HOME, SO IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER. YEAH. NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF OUR OLD BUILDINGS AND DO SOME THINGS TO REUSE ON THAT IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION. I CAN FIND IT. OKAY. HOW WOULD THE TWO CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED? I THINK WE JUST NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE, BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR FINISH MATERIAL, THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDO. AND TO PROVIDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW THE MINIMUM 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? BYE. HI. ANY OPPOSED? PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO 15 MERRYWEATHER. [VI.1. 15 Meriwether Court: A request by BFL Builders, Owner and Applicant, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow construction of a 2-story single-family residence of approximately 1,637SF and an attached 2-story Carriage House of approximately 840SF located at 15 Meriwether Court (Lot 1) in the Landon Oaks Development. The property is in Old Town Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District. (COFA-01- 25-019522) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)] TO BEGIN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I GOT DISTRACTED IN THE PROCESS OF UPLOADING IT AND THOUGHT I HAD. AGAIN, THIS IS 15 BERRY WEATHER COURT, AND THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD AT THE JUNE 11TH HPC MEETING AND WAS TABLED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS 13 CONDITIONS. THAT WERE PLACED ON THE PLAN AT THAT TIME. [00:15:03] AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STOREY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE, APPROXIMATELY 1630 SEVEN SQUARE FEET, WITH AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE LAND AND OAKS DEVELOPMENT. AND HERE IS THE PROPERTY YOU SEE WITH THE STAR ON IT, THAT LITTLE CUL DE SAC CIRCULAR AREA THAT IS LAND IN OAKS. THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. STAFF TOOK SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS TODAY, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LEFT, THE PROPERTY TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS SOMEWHAT CLEARED. THE LARGE TREE HERE IS A 34 INCH LIVE OAK WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE RETAINED. THERE IS SOME ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES THAT DO NOT SHOW UP ON THE PLANS OR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE WOULD WANT TO ADD TONIGHT. THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE, THERE'S SOME LOOKS LIKE SOME KIND OF DEBRIS THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. AND THIS LITTLE PINK PERSON RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK IS FROM OUR WATERSHED DEPARTMENT. I AM I TOOK THIS PHOTO STANDING AT THE STREET. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE THE DITCH IS LOCATED. AND BY THE DITCH, THE CULVERT. SO HERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE HERE. REGARDING THE PICTURES I WAS JUST DISCUSSING. SO THIS IS THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND IT LOOKS A LITTLE BUSY. THE ENTIRETY IS HERE ON THE LEFT. BLOWN UP HERE IS A BIT MORE. THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE PORCH THAT WILL CONNECT THE TWO. THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW THAT THE THE STAIRS THAT YOU DISCUSSED LAST TIME HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN EXTENDED TO GO ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT PORCH. SO THAT WOULD BE NEED TO BE CORRECTED. AND THE LITTLE RED PORTIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE LET ME GO FORWARD HERE TO THIS. I THINK THIS WILL HELP IF I SHOW YOU THIS SURVEY. SO HERE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER PERSPECTIVE. THE 34 INCH OAK THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS LOCATED HERE. THERE IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AND THEN THIS BLACK LINE HERE IS TOP OF THE BANK. SO THE VERDIER COVE DITCH IS OPEN PORTION ON A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN IT'S PIPED IN THIS AREA LOCATED HERE. SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU. AND IT'S A LITTLE BUSY, BUT THIS DOTTED LINE HERE WOULD BE THE EASEMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE IT APPEARS THAT A PORTION OF THE HOUSE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE LOCATED WITHIN THE EASEMENT. I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE APPLICANT TODAY. THEY BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THESE OTHER PORTIONS HERE ARE NOT WITHIN THE EASEMENT, BUT ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE BANK. AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN ENGINEERING ISSUE, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. I DID DISCUSS IT WITH WATERSHED. THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE DITCH. THEY DID INDICATE TO ME THAT THERE IS SOME ACTIVE EROSION WITHIN THAT DITCH, ACTIVE EROSION WITHIN THE DITCH, AND BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS NOT MAINTAINED IT SINCE THE LAST. THAT BIG STORM. I BELIEVE IT WAS CELINE. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE SCHEDULED IT FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR OR SO. THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THE VEGETATION WITHIN THAT AREA MIGHT BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET TO THAT DITCH TO MAINTAIN IT. SO I DID WANT TO BRING THAT UP. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES MADE, AS I INDICATED. THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND THE STAIRS NOW WILL EXTEND ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH. THEY DID REMOVE THE HOG WIRE FENCE AND THE RAILING THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. AND I'LL JUST GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE WINDOWS AND THE REAR OF THE MAIN HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THEY ADDED THESE TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS HERE, THAT ARE SHOWN TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT. OVERALL, IT APPEARS THE WINDOWS HAVE REMAINED. THE OTHER WINDOWS HAVE REMAINED IN THE SAME LOCATIONS. HERE IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE REAR. THE DOORS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. THE SERVICE AREA TO HVAC UNITS ARE PERMITTED UNDERNEATH STAIRS. PREVIOUS. A PREVIOUS CONDITION INDICATED THAT THEY WERE NOT RESIDENTIAL. HVAC UNITS CAN BE LOCATED UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS. COMMERCIAL CANNOT AND THIS IS COMING FROM OUR BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US. WE CAN COME BACK TO ANYONE IF WE IF IT'S NECESSARY. [00:20:06] FOR THERE ARE FOUR CRITERIA THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE REVIEW TONIGHT. AND ALL OF THEM ONE, THREE AND FOUR ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CRITERIA. AND THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS THAT REMAIN THAT DO NOT CONFORM. AND I DO WANT TO GO OVER THOSE. AND SO THE APPLICANT DID RESPOND TO THE JULY 11TH CONDITIONS. AND I'VE INDICATED AND READ HOW THEY RESPONDED. JUST VERY QUICKLY HERE, THE WALL MATERIALS WERE IDENTIFIED, WERE NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE REVISED PLAN, BUT THEY DID INDICATE THAT IT WOULD BE HARDY BOARD AND BATTEN AND HORIZONTAL SIDING RAILING DIMENSIONS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. THEY WILL ADD THAT AS A DETAIL. REGARDING THE WINDOWS, THEY WERE CHANGED AGAIN TO BE MORE CONSISTENT. ALL OF THE FIXED WINDOWS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE PLAN WILL BE CHANGED TO CASEMENT WINDOWS, AND THERE IS AN OBSCURE GLASS WINDOW SHOWN ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT WILL BE CHANGED TO A TRANSPARENT WINDOW. METAL GARAGE DOOR CORNER BOARD DIMENSIONS WILL BE CORRECTED IN THE MATERIAL PROVIDED. THE RETAINING WALL. WE WEREN'T CERTAIN IF ONE WOULD BE REQUIRED. THEY'VE INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. THE LOUVERED SKIRTING DETAIL HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON THE PLAN. REGARDING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THEY'VE INDICATED SCREENING DETAILS FOR THE SERVICE YARD. AGAIN, THAT LOCATION IS FINE. THE BACK UNITS UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS, THEY WILL PROVIDE MESH SCREENING FOR THE PORCH DETAILS. THEY HAVE PROVIDED THE 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE. THEY'VE UPDATED THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN. BUT AGAIN, THEY DID NOT SHOW THE EXTENDED STAIRS. AND THEY WILL NEED TO SHOW THE ABOVE GROUND UTILITY BOX. THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. THAT'S NOT A NECESSARILY REQUIREMENT. WE ALWAYS INDICATE THIS WHENEVER THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE 14IN OR GREATER DBA. AND THEY HAVE REMOVED THE FRONT PORCH RAILINGS. SO THESE WERE THE CONDITIONS FROM JUNE 11TH. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IN REVIEWING WHAT WAS PROVIDED. SOME OF THE DETAILS WERE STILL MISSING. AND I TRIED TO DO THIS IN A WAY THAT I HOPE MAKES SENSE. BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF ARE TO UPDATE THE PLAN, THE REVISED PLAN ONCE MORE TO SHOW MATERIALS AND OR DIMENSIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FROM THE JUNE 11TH MEETING. AND THOSE WERE CONDITIONS ONE, TWO, FOUR, FIVE AND EIGHT EIGHT BEING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SERVICE AREA. DETAILS NEED TO BE PROVIDED AND 13 THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY ON THE PLANS THE USE OF SIX GAUGE WIRE FOR THE HOG FENCE. SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE SLIDE 19. SO KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH. AND IF I NEED TO GO BACK, I'D BE GLAD TO. THE SECOND CONDITION THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS REVISING THE WINDOW SCHEDULE TO SHOW THAT ALL THE FIXED WINDOWS WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED ON RESIDENTIAL, BE IDENTIFIED AS CASEMENT, AND THAT THE OBSCURE WINDOW BE A TRANSPARENT WINDOW. UPDATING THE DOOR SCHEDULED SHOW WOOD DOORS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DOORS, AND THEN TO IDENTIFY THE DOOR MATERIAL FOR THE PATIO DOOR FOR UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO SHOW CONSISTENCY WITH THE REVISED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. AGAIN, THE EXTENDED FRONT PORCH SHARES THE ABOVE GROUND UTILITIES AND THE REMOVAL OF ANY PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WHERE THE HOUSE IS THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT IT'S NOT WITHIN THE EASEMENT, BUT WE WILL BE CERTAIN THAT IT IS NOT. FIVE THIS CAME FROM THE JULY 11TH MEETING, PROVIDED SPLIT RAIL FENCE AT AN APPROPRIATE DISTANCE AROUND THE 34 INCH LIVE OAK IN ORDER TO PROTECT IT DURING ANY SORT OF DISTURBANCE OR CONSTRUCTION. SIX SUBMIT A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION. SEVEN IF A RETAINING WALL MUST BE ERECTED, A SITE FEATURE PERMIT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED AND EIGHT. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT GUTTERS SHOULD BE INSTALLED AND IF THEY'RE PROVIDED THAT THEY COMPLY WITH THE UDO. SO THERE ARE EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING THIS EVENING. SO MOVING FORWARD YOU CAN APPROVE AS SUBMITTED APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS SUGGESTED BY STAFF OR DENY THE APPLICATION. AND I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. SO I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANYTHING. OKAY. LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WE'LL START AT THIS END. COMMISSIONER SILKE. SURE. I WENT OUT THERE THIS WEEK AND THAT, I MEAN, IT IS A VERY SMALL LOT, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS HOUSE HAS TAKEN OVER [00:25:03] EVERY BUILT A BIT OF BUILDABLE AREA. AND I KNOW WE CAN COUNT BEYOND THE BANK, BUT THE FACT IS THEY CAN ONLY BUILD A BANK TO THE ROAD. BUT I SAW TWO THINGS I WANTED TO ASK YOU. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UTILITIES. ON THESE SITE PLANS. I DO NOT SEE NOTICE OF THESE TALL. AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER PUT THEM IN THEIR PROBABLY 30 FOOT CRAPE MYRTLES, MAYBE 25, 30 FOOT CRAPE MYRTLES. AND LOOKING AT I'M ON ATTACHMENT FOUR ON MY SCREEN. OKAY, OKAY. THERE YOU ARE. SEE, RIGHT THERE WITH THE STOP SIGN IS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO BACK TO. IT FEELS LIKE THERE LOT ACTUALLY GOES ALMOST TO WHERE THAT STOP SIGN IS. SO ARE WE KEEPING THOSE CRAPE MYRTLES? AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE BUSHES, THERE'S A HUGE WATER MAIN. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S IT. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S TOP OF BANK OR LOWER BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET DOWN THERE. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT NOTICE ON ANY OF THE PLAN. SO I BELIEVE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WE'RE SHOWING CONCRETE. WATER MAIN RIGHT ADJACENT TO HAYWARD THOMAS HAYWARD STREET. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING? SO THAT'S THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS COMMON AREA. I DON'T SEE WHAT. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO I JUST NEEDED TO SEE YOUR MAPS, OBVIOUSLY. SO RIGHT HERE IS COMMON AREA. OKAY. AND I SEE THAT ON THE LOT. I JUST DON'T SEE IT NOTED ON THERE. I MEAN, THE COMMON AREA WILL REMAIN THE WAY IT IS. AND IF YOU COULD PULL UP ATTACHMENT FIVE. THE ACTUAL SURVEY IS DATED SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2018. SO IT IS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND APPARENTLY MISSING INFORMATION. AND THEN THE REASON YOU WEREN'T SHOWING US THE EASEMENT ON YOU WERE SHOWING US THE EASEMENT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, AS THAT IS NOT SHOWN AT ALL ON THE ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN, WHICH SEEMS PRETTY EFFICIENT. SITE PLAN? YEAH, IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND AGAIN, THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP IDENTIFYING, LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE EASEMENT. THAT WILL NEED TO BE VERIFIED. I NOTICED ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE IT'S REGARDING A RETAINING WALL. THERE'S NO RETAINING WALL PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. I TOO HAVE BEEN TO THIS SITE AND IT IS A STEEP DROP. AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BY WATERSHED OR IT WILL GO THROUGH OUR BUILDING PERMIT DEPARTMENT OR. EXCUSE ME OUR BUILDING SAFETY DEPARTMENT. AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING GIVEN THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY. BEAUFORT COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AS WELL AS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE SURVEY NEEDS TO BE WITHIN LIKE 2 OR 3 YEARS. CURRENT I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH A YEAR REQUIREMENT. I WILL JUST CHECK ON THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT DOES MAKE IT SOMEWHAT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINES HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED LIKE YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS A PROPERTY LINE TO BE ABANDONED WHILE THE PROPERTY LINES HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN ADJUSTED. THROUGH A REPLANNING PROCESS. AND THEY WERE GIVEN A VARIANCE ALSO TO ENCROACH BY FIVE FEET WITHIN A TEN FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IN ORDER TO HELP PRESERVE THE 34 INCH OAK. SO SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR. IF CORRECT, WHICH MAKES IT HARD TO MAKE A DECISION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE CLEAR INFORMATION. WHICH I HESITATES TO SUGGEST PERHAPS THE APPLICANT MAY BE OF ASSISTANCE WITH THIS. DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT'S HOME? CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. MAINLY, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE UTILITY THAT YOU SAT IN THE IN ANY MOTION, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU STOPPED AT THAT. SO WOULD YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS. BUT YOU ARE THE APPLICANT COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THERE IS A HUGE WATER MAIN ON THAT LOT, AND I STILL DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. AND IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUSHES. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT IN THE COMMON AREA. AND I SHOULD HAVE COME BACK OUT HERE TODAY. AND I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, BUT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST. IT COULD BE IN THE SPACE WHERE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING. I GO BACK AND I'LL ASK YOU THIS. MAYBE. CHARLOTTE, THE NARRATIVE HAS ONE AND A HALF, ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSE. [00:30:04] AND I SAID THIS LAST MONTH, AND I DID A LITTLE CHECK TODAY. AND TYPICALLY A ONE AND A HALF STORY HAS MOST OF THE SECOND FLOOR BUILT INTO THE ROOF. AND THIS LOOKS LIKE A AND IT'S NOT IT'S ACTUALLY 75%. IT'S NOT A 50% OF IT IS NOT A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSE. AND IT'S SO BIG ON THAT LOT. AND THE COUNTY NOW, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THE COUNTY LOOKS AT THE BANK. AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE STORMWATER KNOWS IF THIS PASSES THAT WE BELIEVE IF IT'S EROSION, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT A VERY STABLE BANK. AND WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF HOUSE ON A LITTLE BIT OF LAND. AND ANY HOUSE WE COULD FIND, A HOUSE THAT FITS THERE. THIS HOUSE, TO ME IS JUST NOT THE HOUSE FOR THIS LOT. BUT THE MASS AND SCALE ARE WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? YOU CALL IT SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO GET IT. DON'T TELL ME VISUAL COMPATIBILITY, AS IT'S LISTED IN THE UDAIJIN, WITH THE REST OF THE AREA AT THAT LOT. SO I THINK THAT MAY BE A SELF QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT INDICATED ONE AND A HALF STORIES ON THE APPLICATION, BUT IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE. THAT SECOND FLOOR IS ACTUALLY EIGHT FEET A LITTLE MORE THAN EIGHT FEET, WHICH QUALIFIES AS A FULL STORY. I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ALONG THAT LINE. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO PRESENT, BUT THEY LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE WHAT THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO GOOD EVENING. VERY BRIGHT AGAIN. QUESTIONS? I GUESS FIRST UP FOR THE SURVEY. DO YOU ALL HAVE PLANS, OR HAVE YOU STARTED THE PROCESS OF GETTING AN UPDATED SURVEY? WE WILL BE UPDATING THE SURVEY BECAUSE I THINK ALSO THE TOP OF THE BANK NEEDS TO BE DEFINED NOW THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE TOP OF THE BANK, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OLD SURVEY. AND WHEN WE REMOVE THAT VEGETATION, IT ACTUALLY GETS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AS TO WHERE THE TOP OF THE BANK IS. YOU ANTICIPATE IT MOVING UP OR, OR I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE BACK TOWARDS 34 TOWARDS THE LOT BEHIND US. OKAY. BUT THAT DOESN'T IMPACT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY OUTSIDE THE TOP OF THE BANK. AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWS THE ROOF, NOT THE FOUNDATION. SO THERE IS AN 18 INCH OVERHANG ON THERE. YEAH. SO IT'S PROBABLY UP AGAINST IT AT THE CORNER OF EACH WALL. AND AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, WE CAN'T EVEN PORT THE FOOTERS UNTIL WE GET A FORM BOARD SURVEY. AND THAT FORM BOARD SURVEY IS GOING TO SHOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN OR OUT OF THAT EASEMENT. SO IF WE FORM IT IN THE EASEMENT, WE CAN'T POUR IT ANYWAY. WE HAVE TO MOVE IT. OKAY. AND THE WATER MAIN QUESTION IS THE WATER MAIN IS IN THE COMMON AREA. OKAY. IT'S NOT ON IT'S NOT ON THE LOT. IT IS SO CONFUSING WITH THIS SURVEY. WELL, IT'S HARD TO TELL. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND STOMP IT OUT, EVEN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THE PROPERTY PEN IS, BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S IN THAT PALMETTO TREE THAT'S OVER THERE. WE COULDN'T EVEN FIND THE PROPERTY PEN. OKAY. IT SEEMS HARD TO HAVE DESIGNED A HOUSE IF YOU DON'T OWN A LOT, THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PARAMETERS YOU HAVE. YOU KNOW, MEANING. I THINK WE DO KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS MEAN. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE AWARE. WE'RE AWARE OF THE LOT LINES. WE'RE AWARE OF THE SETBACKS. WE GOT A VARIANCE TO GET INTO THAT SIDE SETBACK SO THAT WE COULD GET AWAY FROM THAT BIG OAK TREE. THE TOP OF THE BANK ISSUE IS THE HARDEST ONE FOR ME. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOIL REPORT IS GOING TO COME TO AND WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE WHAT THAT WILL DO TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO RULE ON. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT AN ENGINEERING ISSUE OR IS THAT AN HPC ISSUE? WELL, IT'S AN ENGINEERING ISSUE FIRST, BUT IT WILL NECESSARILY AFFECT THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS PART OF OUR PURVIEW. AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN APPROVALS TO GET MOVE FORWARD TO GET ENGINEERING GOING. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE BEAUFORT COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE THAT WORKED ON THIS YEAR. DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE TO WAIT ON BEAUFORT COUNTY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE TOP OF BANK OR THE DITCH TO TO GET A NEW SURVEY? SHOULDN'T KNOW. BUT AGAIN, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHY IF THE HOUSE IS SITED [00:35:10] OUTSIDE TOP OF BANK. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE STABILITY OF THE LOT OR THE SOIL OR THE BANK. IS THAT AN HPC ISSUE OR IS THAT AN ENGINEERING ISSUE? IF SOMETHING IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND THE HOUSE CAN'T BE SITED WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SITED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD, BECAUSE THE AREA OF EROSION THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN AND WHERE YOU HAVE THAT, WHERE IT READS DRAINAGE EASEMENT AND THERE'S A LINE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THAT EROSION IS. IT IS FAR AWAY FROM WHERE WE HAVE THAT HOUSE SITED. ARE YOU POINTING AT THE STREET SIDE OF THE HOUSE? I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. RIGHT THERE. 30 FOOT DRAINAGE. YEAH. WHERE IT READS, WHERE IT READS DRAINAGE EASEMENT. THAT'S KIND OF I SEE THAT. YEAH. SO AND OUR INTENTION WITH THIS AS IT WAS ON THE GARAGE ON LOT SIX, WHICH WAS ALSO EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE TOP OF BANK, WE SUNK HELICAL PILES IN THERE BEFORE WE POURED THAT SLAB TO MAKE SURE THAT THING WAS IN THERE. GOOD. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING HERE. BUT AGAIN, NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HPC. I DON'T THINK IF IT DOES, I APOLOGIZE AND PLEASE TELL ME HOW IT. NO. AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT IT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I GET. AND I HAVE THIS I HAVE RIGHT, RIGHT HAVE SAME CONCERN. AND CERTAINLY NOTHING'S GOING TO GO FORWARD UNTIL, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO SIGN OFF ON IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE A SITE PLAN THAT HAS ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION. I WOULD NOT AGREE MORE. I JUST TAKE YOUR WORD ON IT. YOU'RE CORRECT. WE SPENT WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS LAST TIME ON THE STATE OF THE DRAWINGS, AND YOU GUYS MADE AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THOSE, AND WE SPENT A BUNCH OF TIME REVIEWING THEM LAST WEEK. AND WE'RE HERE AND WE STILL KIND OF DON'T REALLY HAVE DRAWINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY UPDATED FOR THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE EASEMENT ISSUE POPPED UP BECAUSE IT WASN'T SHOWN AT ALL ON ANY OF THE PREVIOUS SITE PLANS. I JUST FEEL THAT WE STILL DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE A DECISION. WHAT INFORMATION IS MISSING AS IT RELATES TO THIS ONE THING, ONE ONE OUTLINE THAT WE'RE SHOWING THE LANDSCAPING WHERE IT SHOWS THE EASEMENT, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED SURVEY. AND THEN THE APPLICANT ITSELF HAS SELF SAYING THEY CAN'T FIND THE PROPERTY PEN. THAT'S CONCERNING. AND THEN HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION? WELL, HOW CAN YOU BUILD ON THAT IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE. YEAH, IT'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD AND HAVE TO COME BACK. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD LIKE A PERFECTLY READY TO GO SET OF PLANS, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF STRETCHING WHAT WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH IN JUST HAVING A LETTER WITH HERE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THESE THINGS. IT'S LIKE YOUR PLANS ARE BASED ON INFORMATION THAT'S NOT COMPLETE. AND MY NAME IS HOWARD FELDMAN. I THINK I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE WE DID WHAT WE COULD FROM WHEN WE MET THE OTHER DAY. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE IN A TIME CRUNCH AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET GET THINGS MOVING. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE INFORMATION. I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING FROM DRAWINGS. WHETHER I GO OUT TO THE SITE AND I CAN LOCATE A PIN IN THE GROUND, I THINK IS FOR THE MOST PART KIND OF IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I'M DRAWING AND DESIGNING A HOUSE BASED ON ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE. RIGHT. SO THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE PROPERTY LINES, THE SETBACKS, ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND SO EVERYTHING'S BEEN WORKED AROUND AROUND THOSE, THOSE CONSTRAINTS. RIGHT. SO I MEAN, WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH THE WATER LINE AND ALL THAT. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T FIND A PIN, HOW HOW CRITICAL THAT IS, AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD SIDELINE PROGRESS OF THE WHOLE THING AND ALSO THE STABILITY OF THE BANK ITSELF, BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU NEED TO MOVE THE HOUSE BACK? WHAT IF YOU HAVE TO ADJUST THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE BANK IS NOT STABLE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE HOUSE FOUNDATION. YEAH, I MEAN IT. OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS IF THE THE SOIL AT THE TOP OF THE BANK AND THAT ISN'T STABLE ENOUGH TO HOLD THE HOUSE. I'VE, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND I SAW IT MYSELF LIKE IT IS A STEEP DROP. [00:40:04] AND THAT ALSO SEEMS LIKE A WATERSHED THING. LIKE WHAT IF WHAT IF WATERSHED DOESN'T APPROVE IT OR HAS CONDITIONS ON THIS? WHY WOULD WE APPROVE PLANS WHEN THEY COULD VERY WELL CHANGE? WELL, IF YOU WERE APPROVING. I GUESS WHAT? WATERSHED. AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE. NOT THE FUNCTION, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HOME IS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR OLD TOWN BLUFFTON. WHETHER OR NOT STORM WATER SIGNS OFF OR HAS CONDITIONS I DON'T THINK CHANGES THE HISTORIC APPROPRIATENESS OF THE STRUCTURE SIZE, IT WILL BE LESS. IT HAS TO, I MEAN, IF IT HAS TO MOVE OR WE START GETTING INTO SETBACK ISSUES. BUT BUT EVEN STORMWATER I DON'T THINK HAS ANY SAY OVER WHERE THE HOUSE IS SITED. THERE, THERE. WHAT THEY CAN SAY IS YOU HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT RUNOFF ISN'T GETTING INTO THE RIGHT DITCH AND WHEREVER. I AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE ISSUES THAT ARE ALREADY HANDLED IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THIS BOARD REVIEWS ALL THE ARCHITECTURE, THE FOOTPRINT, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, TREE REMOVALS, EVERYTHING. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST IS THIS A HISTORICALLY HISTORIC HOUSE, IT'S EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. AND WE'RE KIND OF WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ONE SORT OF STILL FRUSTRATED WITH THE STATE OF THE PLANS AND TO SORT OF REALIZING HERE THAT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, SEVEN YEAR OLD SURVEY THAT'S MISSING A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT. AND THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW THE EASEMENT. SO AND I THINK WITH THE SOIL, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE ALL ASSUMING RIGHT NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS GOOD AND THAT THE HOUSE CAN BE BUILT. WE'RE EXCITED IF WE GET IN THERE AND WE START EXCAVATING THE FOOTERS AND EVERYTHING FALLS AWAY, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S TIME TO REEVALUATE. WE STOP. AND THEN AND I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE THE HOUSE SMALLER OR LESS CHANGE THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK HERE, YOU KNOW, OR WITH. YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO DEAL WITH THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT. YOU JUST TOLD US THAT THE TOP OF THE BANK HAS PROBABLY CHANGED QUITE A BIT. THAT'S A SURVEY. WELL, I THINK IT'S NEW INFORMATION AND IT'S THEN YOU'RE NOT REALLY SHOWING US SOMETHING ACCURATE. I MEAN, AND YOU'RE NOT SHOWING THE EASEMENT EITHER. OKAY. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO KNOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS, BUT THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN WE THIS IS THE EASEMENT. WE SAT DOWN, WENT THROUGH THE PLANS JUST THIS WEEK. AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE HAD AN UNDERSTANDING. USUALLY, USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN IS OVER THE TOP OF THE SURVEY AND NOT JUST SELECT ELEMENTS OF THE SURVEY, YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. IT SHOULD BE. HAVE YOU ORDERED THIS SURVEY? HAVE YOU ORDERED THE SURVEY A NEW SURVEY. RIGHT. SO THIS IS MORE OF A DESIGN DRAWING ISN'T IT, FROM THE CIVIL ENGINEER BECAUSE THE SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE. I THINK WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION A LITTLE BIT ON MONDAY AS WELL, I GUESS. I GUESS MY PROBLEM IS, I'LL SAY THE THIRD TIME THE ONE AND A HALF STORY IN THE NARRATIVE. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD ALL ALONG, WHICH I WAS EXCITED TO SEE. AND WHEN I SAW A TRUE TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A CONNECTED CONNECTED TO THE GARAGE, SO CLOSE TO THAT TYPE OF BANK. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE TOP OF THE BANK MAY CHANGE. I TELL YOU IT, I THINK IT DID CHANGE. I AM NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A SURVEY GUY. I'LL STAY IN MY LANE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE. I FEEL LIKE IT'S CLOSER TO TO THE BUILDABLE AREA. AND THEN IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MANY APPLICATIONS AND WE'RE SEEING YOU A THIRD TIME WITH A WHOLE NEW PLAN. SO I THINK IT FALLS ON THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE. WITH THE SURVEY. BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT CHANGES THAT HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK HERE. I DON'T THINK IT GOES TO HCR. SEE, IT HAVE TO COME BACK. NOT UNLESS WE APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS TO DO SO. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO STAY IN THAT LANE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WINDOW CHANGES ARE ALL GREAT, BUT I'M JUST STUCK ON THE THE WEIGHT OF THAT HOUSE ON A VERY, VERY SMALL, BUILDABLE AREA. VERY SMALL. AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO KEEP THAT TREE, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE SITES THAT CONFUSE ME. CHARLOTTE, I'M SITTING WITH HER. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, SO I WISH WE WOULD HAVE HAD A SITE, A TRUE UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH THIS AND YOU COULD TRULY SEE THE TOP OF A BANK. [00:45:08] RATHER THAN DO ALL THIS WITH CONDITIONS, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY COME BACK. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU STARTING BUILDING UNTIL THE COUNTY ADDRESSES THAT EROSION THAT THAT WOULD BE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FALLS. THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW, BUT I KNOW HOW SLOW THEY MOVE. SO YOU SEEM TO BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS WHOLE TYPE OF BANK THAT. CAN YOU TELL ME, LIKE, HOW IS IT DEFINED? WHERE IS IT DEFINED? WHAT MAKES THE DECISION THAT WAS DETERMINED BY THE SURVEYOR? THE SURVEYOR CLEARLY A SURVEYOR. YEAH. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHERE THAT WAS, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION FOR THE LONGEST TIME IS IS THERE A SET OF COORDINATES THAT DEFINES THIS. DID DID DECC DEFINE THIS. AND THE ANSWER BECAME NO. THE THE SURVEYOR GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS HERE'S THE TOP OF A BANK RIGHT HERE. IT'S REALLY EASY TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S THE TOP AND THEN IT DROPS RIGHT. I MEAN IT IS NOT A SLOPING BANK BY ANY MEANS. AND I. I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS A HOUSE THAT WILL FIT ON THIS LOT THAT YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. BUT BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT IN THESE APPLICATIONS OUT, I MEAN, I WAS ASKED TO DO AN UPDATED SURVEY ON A SMALL PROJECT I HAD TO DO. SO I JUST AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT. WE SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT LAST MONTH AND I JUST DIDN'T NOTICE IT. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY. BACK TO THE ONE AND A HALF VERSUS TWO. AND THIS MAY BE MY UNDERSTANDING FROM PREVIOUS STAFF. WAS THAT THAT DEFINITION WAS 50% SECOND FLOOR AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE SECOND FLOOR CANNOT EXCEED 50% OF THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THAT'S WHAT DEFINES A ONE AND A HALF VERSUS A TWO STORY HOUSE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I READ. BUT YOUR SECOND FLOOR IS 75% OF YOUR OR MAYBE I'M 7,770%, WHICH IS OTHER THE OTHER BUILDING TYPE. YEAH. I'M SORRY I SAID 50. I WAS PROBABLY BUT WE DESIGNED IT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE UNDER THAT RATIO AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, IF IT'S IF IT'S 80 AND 70, IF IT'S AND I HAVE STAFF THAT AND EVERYONE HAS NOW TOLD ME THIS IS A TWO STORY, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS STARTED TO BE A ONE AND A HALF. AND I MEAN, IT JUST CHANGES. AND I'VE GONE THROUGH TOWN, I'VE FOUND A DOZEN ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSES AND THEY DO FIT WITHIN THE ANGLE OF THE ROOF. IT'S NOT A TRUE TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ROOF AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS LOT BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO SMALL. IT'S JUST A HARD, BUILDABLE LOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ON IT. BUT I DO THINK THERE IS A HOUSE THAT COULD FIT ON IT. YEAH. RATIO IS ONE THING THAT'S DICTATED AND VERY PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT MASSING AND SCALE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ONE. IT'S LOOK, IT'S KIND OF THE ONLY VAGUE ONE WE HAVE IN THE UDO FOR THE HPC TO SAY, DOES IT FEEL LIKE IT FITS OR NOT? AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT THAT THEY'RE RAISING. DO YOU THINK IT DOESN'T FIT OR DOESN'T FEEL BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE? IS THAT WHAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THE SIZE OF THE LOT LIKE, THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST LOT THAT WE HAVE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND IT'S ALSO RIGHT UP AGAINST THOMAS HAYWARD STREET. EIGHT. SO YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS, YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES LIKE AROUND IT AND THE HEIGHT AND THE MASS OF IT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A TINY LITTLE DONUT SHOP RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. AND THEN ACROSS THE ACROSS THE STREET IS A SMALLER HOUSE AS WELL. SO IT'S LIKE IT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE PREMISES, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND ALSO WHAT'S AROUND IT. OKAY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO BEGIN WITH THAT. YEAH. SO I DON'T WANT TO PRESUME TO THINK WHAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO VOTE, BUT I KIND OF TELL WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING. I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF A DISCUSSION BEFORE. SURE. AND I APOLOGIZE THAT THE SURVEY ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP. I DON'T THINK WE I MEAN, WE DID DISCUSS THE SIDEWALK MISSING AND SOME OTHER PORTIONS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT QUITE THIS DEEP INTO IT. YEAH, BUT A HALF STORY. THE EXTERIOR WALL HAS TO BE THREE FEET OR LESS OF A BEARING. ON A HALF STORY. THE EXTERIOR WALL SUPPORTING THE ROOF SHALL BE NOT MORE THAN THREE FEET ABOVE THE FLOOR LEVEL. OKAY, SO 75% FOR THE THE AREA WITH HEADROOM FIVE FEET OR MORE OCCUPIES BETWEEN 30 AND 70% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE STORY. DIRECTLY BENEATH IT MAKES IT TWO STORY. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THE SAME POSITION WE WERE IN LAST MONTH, [00:50:07] UNFORTUNATELY. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE IF YOU'D LIKE. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER CONDITIONS, ABOUT THE BUILDING TYPE SO THAT WE CAN WORK IT PROPERLY IF WE DON'T KNOW THE. BUT THE BUILDING TYPE PLAYS INTO THE SETBACK. AND I BELIEVE THAT REAR SETBACK IS THE WHAT CHANGES WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE. IS THAT CORRECT? NOT THE SIDE SET. I THINK THE SIDE SIDE CHANGE AS WELL. I BELIEVE SO. WHAT WAS THAT? 25 FOOT SETBACK OR ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE? SIDE OR REAR? REAR. OH YEAH. WE'RE FINE BECAUSE WE'RE SO DEEP. SO IF IT IF IT CHANGES TO A TWO STORY, I THINK WE'RE STILL FINE. TECHNICALLY, YEAH. WITH SETBACKS, EXCEPT FOR THE SOMEWHAT VAGUE MASSING AND INAPPROPRIATE SCALE. SAY THAT CORRECTLY. YES. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WE HAD THE PLATES LOWER. WE WERE ASKED TO RAISE THEM BY THE TOWN. WE'VE DONE THAT AND THAT HELPED. NOW WE'VE ADDED MASSING, WHICH OVER THE WIDTH OF THE WHOLE THING IS FAIR. FAIR BIT. SO I YOU KNOW AND THAT WAS I'M STILL NOT EVEN EXACTLY SURE WHY WE DID THAT. YEAH. WHEN WAS THE PLATE ASKED TO BE RAISED? WE HAD TO MOVE THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW, I THINK. AND SO WE HAD TO MOVE THE PLATE HEIGHT UP TO DO THAT. THAT WAY. OH, THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE SHED ON THE END. WE HAD ASKED YOU GUYS TO LOWER THE WINDOWS. ALL THE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS, ALL THE WINDOWS, THE SEVEN FEET DOWN. SO REMEMBER WE HAVE UP AT EIGHT. WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO LOWER TO SEVEN. AND THEN THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT YOUR SHED ROOF IN THE SAME SPOT AND WOULD HAVE ADDED SOME HEADER ABOVE THE WINDOW. THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS. LIKE, LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION THERE. RIGHT. WE HAVE WE HAVE, WE HAVE HUNG WINDOWS ON THE FRONT WITH THE OVERHANG. NOT A BOXED OVERHANG, BUT THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAIL OVERHANG. AND WHAT THE DISCUSSION, I THINK, WAS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE DRAWING, WHICH IS ONE DIMENSIONAL, YOU DON'T SEE THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE ROOF OVERHANG COMES DOWN. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS OBJECTED TO. AND THEREFORE WE RAISED THE TOP OF THE ON THAT FIRST GO AROUND. NOT NOT I DON'T TALK ABOUT, BUT THE FIRST GO AROUND WAS THAT WE ASKED BECAUSE THE ROOF, THE WALLS COME UP, THE ROOF GOES LIKE THIS AND IT GOES LIKE THIS. SO WE HAD GOT THOSE PLATE HEIGHTS AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. WELL, THE ONE DRAWING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON MONDAY, THE TOP OF THE WINDOW AND THE PLATE HEIGHT WERE THE SAME NUMBER. AND YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR A PLATE, LET ALONE A HEADER ON THE BACK. RIGHT, RIGHT. IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS. SO IT WAS KIND OF DRAWING QUALITY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND THE ROOF. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT BUILDING TYPE. YEAH. CHARLOTTE READ THE TWO STORIES OF THE WE SUBMITTED AS WE SUBMITTED THIS ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL BUILDING TIME. AND I THINK THAT WAS DRIVEN MOSTLY BY THE SETBACK ISSUES. WELL, WE DID THAT ON THE OTHER. ALL THE OTHER HOUSES, ALL THE OTHER HOUSES WE DID IS ONE AND A HALF STORY. I THINK WE TRIED TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT, WHICH IS WHY WE DID IT THAT WAY. I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP OUR WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE IS IT'S PART OF THE LAND AND OAK COMMUNITY. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A MOBILE HOME ACROSS THE STREET FROM THOMAS HAYWARD, AND THERE'S A LITTLE DONUT SHOP ON THE CORNER BEHIND THE HOUSE THAT WE HAVE TO DO. IT'S PART OF OUR BIG FOCUS, HAS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION THERE. SO WE'RE KIND OF AT TWO STORIES IS ALLOWED, BUT IT'S THE QUESTION OF THE SIZE AND MASSING. I HAVE KIND OF BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL RIGHT WITH THE HEIGHT, BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT IS SMALL, AND IT'S KIND OF A CONSIDERATION FOR SAVING THE LIVE OAK IN MY BOOK AND SHIFTING OVER ON THE SETBACK LINE. WAS THAT THAT TWO STORIES? IS THAT SECOND STORY IS GOING TO KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT TO IT, JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIT THINGS INSIDE OF IT? WITHOUT. BECAUSE IF YOU DROP THE BEARING, YOU START NEEDING MORE SPACE OR A SMALLER SPACE INSIDE. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR ME WAS THAT SAVING THE TREE AND THIS FOOTPRINT IS SMALL. OKAY. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE AREN'T OTHER OPINIONS UP HERE. THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I WAS FEELING ABOUT IT. SCALE WISE, YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? I AGREE WITH LISA. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. OKAY. THEN THERE'S THE ECONOMIC PART OF THE EQUATION THAT I'LL [00:55:09] BRING UP IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT IF YOU KNOW THERE'S AN OBJECTIVE OPINION TO BE HAD ABOUT THE MASSING AND THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. BUT YOU WANT ME TO GO ONE AND A HALF STOREYS. DO YOU WANT ME TO START SCALING DOWN? YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE WHOLE ECONOMIC SIDE OF THAT. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW VERY WELL WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE BE OUT THERE AS WELL. WELL, I THINK OUR LARGER PURVIEW IS HOW IT FITS INTO. I UNDERSTAND THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE HAS GOT TO BE THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A IT'S AN EAST WEST LOT. RIGHT. THE BUILDING'S EAST WEST. IT'S NOT NORTH SOUTH LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THE OTHER HOUSES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NORTH SOUTH LOTS, THE MASSING IS PROBABLY GREATER THAN WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE. AND ALL THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, IT'S NOT JUST THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT'S ALL THE ELEVATIONS REALLY MATTER? RIGHT? SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE BEING PENALIZED HERE. BECAUSE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A, YOU KNOW, AN EAST WEST LOT. WELL, I THINK THERE'S CONSIDERATIONS, TOO, TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING IT FROM THE BEGINNING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCALE IS APPROPRIATE TO THE SITE, TO THE SITE, TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, TO THE TO OLD TOWN AS A WHOLE. YEAH. SO WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THIS BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE THERE. WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH, BESIDES SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT ARE MISSING, WHICH MOST OF THE DETAILS, I THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF TAKING A LOOK AT. BUT I THINK THE LARGER ISSUE IS THE SCALE FROM THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION HERE. AND I'M SORRY. ONE CLARIFICATION THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, NOT THE SCALE OF THE LOT SCALE OF THE BUILDING MASS RELATIVE TO THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOT. NOT THE LOT SIZE. JUST AS. AS HOWARD SAID, THIS IS PROBABLY ON A SQUARE FOOTAGE BASIS. ONE OF THE BIGGER LOTS OUT THERE IN THIS HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE DONE OUT THERE. IT'S JUST THAT THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE LOT IS SMALLER THAN WHAT WE HAD ON THE OTHER ONES. I THINK JUST THE THE PERCEPTION OF THE HEIGHT OF IT IN RELATION TO THOMAS HAYWARD IN RELATION TO THE THE NEIGHBORING LOTS IS I'M, I'M JOE AND I, I THINK I'VE COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S LIMITATIONS AND YOU HAVE TO GO A CERTAIN HEIGHT TO MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE, MAKE SENSE, AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A LOT LIKE THAT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE THREE OTHERS HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT. SO. MASSING IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE LARGER THAN JUST CONDITIONS OF OF, YOU KNOW, DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY WILL VOTE. I GUESS ALSO, MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT'S SUBJECTIVE. I MEAN, ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE GO BACK AND START ALL OVER AGAIN? AND I MEAN. IF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE SOMETHING THAT SAID, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE TALLER THAN X FEET. AND THEN WE DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT WAS TALLER THAN X FEET. THAT'S ON US. WE DID THAT WRONG. BUT IF WE'VE IF WE'VE DESIGNED SOMETHING THAT FITS IN THE BUILDABLE AREA AND SHOULD BE FINE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT, NOT THE BUILDABLE AREA. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO BACK AND AND TRY TO MAKE THIS PALATABLE. I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT IS SUBJECTIVE. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, IT'S TOO BIG, OKAY. WHAT'S TOO BIG? I DON'T KNOW, NOT THIS. SO I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T I CAN'T FIX THESE PLANS AND I'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THESE THAT I CAN'T. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING JUST TRASH IT, WALK AWAY, START ALL OVER AGAIN. BUT BUT THEN WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE TARGET? WHAT AM I AIMING FOR? WHO'S THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS? HOWARD DESIGNED IT. WHEN WE HAVE A CAD GUY OUT IN COLORADO THAT WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT. [01:00:01] OKAY, SO ONE LOCAL. YOU KNOW ABOUT MY MASS AND SCALE THOUGHT. AND THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PART OF THIS COMMISSION FOR THE AGES. I REMEMBER THE FIRST HPC THAT WE HAD IN MASS AND SCALE. IT WAS TALKED ABOUT A LOT. IT THE TOP OF THE SURVEY BOTHERS ME. THE SIR, I JUST ALREADY SEE IT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU KNOW. BUT GET THAT SURVEY, IT MIGHT DO YOU BETTER AND THAT MIGHT BE GREAT. BUT WE NOT KNOWING YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF BANK. AND IF IT WENT STRAIGHT ACROSS WHICH IT SURE APPEARED TO BE STRAIGHT ACROSS WHEN I WALKED IT. AND I DO TRY TO GO TO ALL THESE. I'M NOT JUST GOING TO LOOK AT IT ON PAPER BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO WORK, BUT IT'S GOING TO MESS UP. YOUR GARAGE IS GOING TO MESS. YOU KNOW, IT IS THE WAY I THINK IT IS. IF IT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW A TOP OF BANK CHANGES FOR THE BETTER TO GIVE YOU MORE LAND, ESPECIALLY WITH EROSION. SO THE SURVEY BOTHERS ME NOT KNOWING. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNOW WHAT BEAUFORT COUNTY IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THE EROSION. THE WEIGHT OF THAT HOUSE ON A BANK THAT'S ERODING. AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT DOES CRUMBLE. WE'RE ALL IN A MESS. AND IT KIND OF FALLS ON US, TOO, BECAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED IT. I FEEL IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AND THEN THE WORST HAPPENS, I HOPE THE BEST HAPPENS THEN. WHO'S POINTING FINGERS AT WHO? AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE WILLINGLY. WE KNOW FROM WHAT CHARLOTTE SAID THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH EROSION. SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT LOT. I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD ON A LOT IF IT'S PLATTED FOR A LOT, BUT I JUST I GO THROUGH MY MIND WITH OTHER TYPES OF ARCHITECTS THAT AREN'T EVEN LOCAL THAT HAVE THE THEY HAVE HOUSES DESIGNED FOR OUR TYPE OF AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALLISON RAMSEY. AND YOU CAN BUY THEM OFF THE OFF THE INTERNET. THEY DO HAVE HOUSES THAT CAN FIT LONG LOTS, NOT AS DEEP. SO THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS. MAINLY THAT SURVEY NOT KNOWING. AND AND I DO APOLOGIZE. I WISH I'D HAVE PICKED IT UP LAST MONTH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT IN A MONTH ANYWAY. WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, THE SURVEY QUESTION, WE CAN'T BUILD IT IF IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND YOU, THE EROSION, EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOW, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HPC BECOMES ALMOST LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHERE YOU YOU KNOW, WHAT IF SOMEBODY I MEAN, IT'S NOT OUR LIABILITY, BUT YOU LIKE, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IF YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO WALK IN HERE AND SAY THAT LINE IS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED. THAT IS INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW. YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE. GUESS THAT'S ME LOOKING AT IT. THAT'S NOT THE SURVEY OR SAYING ANYTHING. CAN WE GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION? JUST ON THE HEIGHT BEING TOO TALL. IN YOUR FEELINGS, IS THAT MOSTLY ON THAT RIGHT SIDE AGAINST THE STREET? IF IT HAD SOME TWO STORY ELEMENT, KIND OF MORE OVER TOWARDS WHERE THE THE FRONT PORCH IS, IS THAT STILL OKAY? IS IT MOSTLY THE HEIGHT AGAINST THOMAS HAYWARD OR. IN THE STRUCTURE? IT. I WISH IT LOOKED MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HEYWARD HOUSE IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSE. GENESIS CONSTRUCTION IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSE. I WALK ROAD ALL THROUGH SOME OLDER HOMES THAT ARE PROBABLY LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, BUT SOME THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THROUGH HPC. IT KIND OF GOES WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ON A ONE AND ONE AND A HALF STORY. I MEAN, IF THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A ONE AND A HALF STORY AFTER I READ THROUGH YOUR NARRATIVE AND WAS ALL EXCITED AND I GET TO THE PLAN, I'M LIKE, IT JUST LOOKS BIG AND IT'S NOT BIG BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 900FT² BASE SQUARE FOOTAGE. I MEAN, IT'S ONLY 1600 ISH SQUARE FEET, WHICH EVEN MORE REASON TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION DRIVING INTO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING IN AND THAT IS THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. AND THE SIDE OF IT IS GOING TO BE WHAT EVERYONE SEES. AND IT JUST FEELS OVERBEARING. AND I'M TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, DORMERS OR ARE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE ROOFLINES DIFFERENT OR MORE OF THAT SECOND FLOOR GOES INTO THE ROOF TO ME COMES THAT HOUSE. BUT THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT CUL DE SAC. YEAH. AND I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT JUST LOOKING AT THE GARAGE, IT'S A LOWER, IT'S ON A KNEE WALL AND IT HAS POPPED UP A DORMER TO GET A BETTER HEAD HEIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK EXPLORING SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY HELP EASE THE, THE MASSING ISSUE OR THE MASSING CONCERN. IT'S EXACTLY. IT'S YOUR SECOND FLOOR. LOOK. MORE LIKE YOUR GARAGE. [01:05:01] SECOND FLOOR? IN A WAY, I THINK IT LOWERS IT IN A WAY. AND IT APPEARS IT COULD STILL BE TWO STOREY, BUT IT APPEARS THIS WHOLE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE. I MEAN, THERE IS A HOUSE. I'M SURE THERE IS A TYPE OF HOUSE THAT FITS ON THIS LOT IN OUR STUDIO, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO GO TO THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE, BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND WE IT'S IN OUR UDO, SO WE HAVE TO GRANT IT. BUT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE BUILDING TYPE ACTUALLY IS. WOULD PUT ON THE FLOOR A LOT OF TIME. YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL PART OF THE IDO AND PEOPLE USE IT AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE IT. ONLY THE FIRST THREE WERE ALL ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE, AND WE DID THAT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REAR SETBACK. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK ON THE SCALE SUGGESTIONS. I LIKE WHAT LISA SAYS. I AGREE WITH WHAT LISA SAYS. I FEEL THE SAME WAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THEN IS TABLE IT. AND LET US GO BACK AND WORK ON THAT MASSING AND SCALE. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NOW AND ALSO MAYBE AN UPDATED SURVEY. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THAT. OKAY. YES. WHO MANAGES THE COUNTY? IS IT US? IS IT THE TOWN? WHO? WHO GETS THE COUNTY TO COME? LOOK AT THIS. WATERSHED TO. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T. YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS GOING TO PUT YOU. I MEAN, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WATERSHED SAYS WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. SO I THINK YOU'RE STILL IN THAT WINDOW. BY THE TIME THEY HAVE IT AND YOU COME BACK, MAYBE IT'S ALL GOING TO BE IN LINE. QUESTION. OKAY I WILL. MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION. SECOND. A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? HI. OKAY, WE'RE GOING FOR ANOTHER SUBJECT OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FIVE LAWTON STREET. [VII.1. 5 Lawton Street: A request by Ansley Manuel (Manuel Studio), on behalf of James W. Jeffcoat Revocable Trust, Owner, for the review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD (Demolition) to allow the demolition of a non-contributing storage shed located at 5 Lawton Street in Old Town Bluffton Historic District within the Neighborhood Center - Historic District (ND- HD) zoning district. (COFA-03-25-019646) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)] SORRY FOR THE DELAY, GUYS. I'M STILL HERE. ALL RIGHTY. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I'M THRILLED TO BE UP HERE. AND THINGS LIKE THIS MAKE OUR TOWN. THERE'S A METHOD TO OUR MADNESS. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON THINGS. SO OUR TOWN CONTINUES TO BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT TABLING. NO, I DON'T EITHER. IT'S JUST LIKE THE RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE ITEM BEFORE US NOW IS FIVE LAWTON STREET. THIS IS A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH A BUILDING APPROXIMATELY. BUILT IN 1950, IS A NONCONTRIBUTING STORAGE SHED LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS KNOWN AS ECCENTRICITIES. IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE YOU SEE THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LAWTON BETWEEN CALHOUN AND BOUNDARY. HERE'S A SURVEY SHOWING THE SHED LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD OF THE BUSINESS, AND THE INTENTION IS TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AND BUILD ANOTHER CARRIAGE HOUSE FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING SHED A COMBINATION OF CONCRETE BLOCK WOOD CORRUGATED PANELS. A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. TO BE HONEST, WE DID LOOK AT THIS FOR POTENTIAL FOR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS. THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA TO CONSIDER, AND OUR FINDINGS ARE THAT THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, NOT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE OR ELIGIBLE FOR ANY ONE. IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL. YOU MAY CONSIDER APPROVING THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED DENYING OR HAVING CONDITIONS ON THIS APPLICATION. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT IT BE DEMOLISHED. AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT CONDITIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. I WAS GOING TO ASK WAS THIS IN THE FUTURE PLANS OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES? AND YOU SAID NO. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. I GET THE THE DEMOLISH OF THE CONTRIBUTING NONCONTRIBUTING SHED LOCATED AT FIVE LAWTON. I'LL SECOND TWO SECONDS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [01:10:04] ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION PASSED. THANK YOU. OUR LAST CERTIFICATE OF PERKINS IS 34 THOMAS STREET. [VII.2. 34 Thomas Heyward Street: A request by Jason Alexander, Applicant and Property Owner, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District (Demolition), to allow the demolition of an existing house located at 34 Thomas Heyward Street (Parcel R610 039 00A 0023 0000) in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District. The house, known as the Nellie and Leroy Brown Cottage, is a Contributing Resource to the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-04-25-019719) (Staff-Glen Umberger)] GOOD EVENING. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS FOR THE NELLIE AND LEROY BROWN COTTAGE, A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE LOCATED AT NUMBER 34. THOMAS HAYWARD HOUSE OR THOMAS HAYWARD STREET. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT, JASON ALEXANDER, AS THE OWNER FOR APPROVAL FOR A COPA TO ALLOW FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE 1054 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCE, WHICH IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE NELLIE AND LEROY BROWN COTTAGE, LOCATED IN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT. ZONE. NEIGHBORHOOD. CONSERVATION. THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP. YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE RED PEN IS. THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE FACING THOMAS HEYWARD STREET. IT'S SHOWING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE 2008 SURVEY THAT WE DID MANY YEARS AGO. NOW THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1942. IT'S BEEN UNALTERED SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. WENT OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. IT TOOK A NEW PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE SAME SPOT SHOWING THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOUSE. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH UNDER THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW CRITERIA LISTED UNDER THE UDO SECTION 318 FIVE BE ONE STEP BELIEVES THAT EACH OF THOSE CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. YOU ALSO CAN LOOK AT SECTION 318 5B2. HPC, IN THESE INSTANCES, MAY DELAY A DECISION REGARDING DEMOLITION FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS. IF APPROVAL STAFF IS MAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ANY FUTURE BUILDINGS WILL REQUIRE SEPARATE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ON THE SITE. HPC, AT YOUR DISCRETION, MAY ALSO REQUIRE DECONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING COMPONENTS FOR REUSE. THE DEMOLITION SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH ANY DEMOLITION GUIDELINES APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH INCLUDES DOCUMENTATION, DRAWINGS, PHOTOGRAPHS, ARCHIVAL MATERIALS, ETC. AND THE DEMOLITION DOES NOT REMOVE ITS DESIGNATION AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOUR PURVIEW TONIGHT. YOU CAN APPROVE. THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. OR YOU MAY CHOOSE TO EXERCISE THE OPTION UNDER 318 5B2 TO POSTPONE A DESIGNATION FOR DESIGNATED PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY STAFF QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IN REGARDS TO THE DEMOLITION OF THIS COTTAGE, I READ THROUGH THE NOTES. I SAW THAT IT SAID UNHEALTHY. ET CETERA. SO THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE PRESERVED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I CAN ONLY GO BY. WHAT THE. I'M NOT A EXPERT IN HEALTH ISSUES. I CAN ONLY DEFER TO THOSE WHO ARE EXPERTS. OKAY, SO I HAVE TO DEFER TO THEM ON THAT THAT POINT. THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE 180 DAYS? SO AT 180 DAYS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. DENY IT. SO THAT 180 DEGREE 180 DAY PERIOD. IN THE UDO THAT 180 DAY PERIOD IS TO BE USED FOR. AND I'LL JUST READ IT TO YOU. DURING THE POSTPONEMENT, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER WHAT ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION MAY EXIST. CONSIDERATION BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SHALL INCLUDE ALTERNATIVES FOR PRESERVATION OF THE STRUCTURE, EITHER IN WHOLE OR IN PART, INCLUDING CONSULTATION WITH CIVIC GROUPS, INTERESTED PRIVATE CITIZENS, OTHER BOARDS OR AGENCIES, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. AND IF OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR PRESERVATION CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED, INCLUDING RELOCATION, THE PRESERVATION OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IS CLEARLY IN THE INTERESTS OF THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. INVESTIGATION OF THE POTENTIAL OF THE TOWN TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY. [01:15:02] SO THAT'S LANGUAGE IN 318 5B2 A AND B. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I HAVE A QUESTION. IS ANYONE HERE? YES. I'LL BRING THE APPLICANT UP. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. JASON ALEXANDER, MY WIFE CARRIE AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN MARCH. STARTED DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT 16 MONTHS AGO, SO THERE'S A PRETTY LONG HISTORY, EVEN THOUGH THE ACQUISITION WASN'T UNTIL MARCH. SO A LOT OF THE WORK THAT YOU SAW IN THE REPORT, MOLD REPORTS AND THINGS HAVE OCCURRED BEFORE WE ACQUIRED IT. SO ONE THING, TWO THINGS I WANT TO MENTION. ONE, WE DID NOT START THIS PROCESS INTENDING TO NOT HAVE THAT STRUCTURE THERE. WE INTENDED FOR IT TO BE A COTTAGE FOR US TO LIVE IN WHILE WE BUILT OUR HOME. SO THIS WASN'T A FOREGONE CONCLUSION. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO KEEP THIS HOUSE, WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE KEPT IT TOO. THE SECOND THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT, AT LEAST TO US, IS WE'RE CURRENTLY WITHOUT INSURANCE ON IT, ON THAT PROPERTY LIABILITY. NONE. WHICH MEANS MY UMBRELLA, OUR UMBRELLA POLICY FOR OTHER ASSETS ARE AT RISK AS LONG AS THAT BUILDING IS ON THAT PROPERTY, AS LONG AS WE OWN THAT BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY. SO FROM A TIME FRAME STANDPOINT, I CAN TELL YOU AND I APPRECIATE GLENN AND ACTUALLY CHARLOTTE AND SAY I'M HELPING KIND OF MOVE THE APPLICATION THROUGH. WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIME FRAME. BECAUSE OF OUR INSURANCE, OUR LIABILITY RISK. BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE PICTURES. I WALKED IN THE PROPERTY WHEN WE PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT. WE COULDN'T LOOK AT IT BEFORE GOING UNDER CONTRACT. WALKED IN IT. AND THE OTHER PEOPLE I WAS WITH TURNED AROUND AND WALKED OUT BECAUSE YOU WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH THE FLOOR. THE CEILINGS FALLING IN, THE ROOFS FALLING IN, ALL THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES FALLING IN. THERE'S NOT A PIECE THAT'S DRY IN THAT BUILDING, NOT ONE PIECE OF WOOD. I WOULD SAY TEN YEARS AGO, IN FACT, I HAD NOT SEEN THAT 2008 PICTURE UNTIL RECENTLY. IF IT LOOKED LIKE THAT, IT'S SALVAGEABLE. IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS NOW, THERE'S NOT A THERE'S JUST NOTHING YOU CAN POINT TO IN THE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE RETAINED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HISTORIC VALUE IT WOULD HAVE. I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT. IT'S TWO ACRES. WE CAN BUILD A HOUSE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT SPOT ANYWAY. SO? SO IT'S NOT AN EFFORT TO GET THAT HOUSE DOWN. TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THAT SAME LOCATION, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT EITHER. I BROUGHT IN EXPERTS. MOLD, ASBESTOS, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COULD NOT GO IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT WASN'T SAFE STRUCTURALLY. BUT HE DID CRAWL UNDERNEATH, DETERMINED EVERYTHING WAS FALLING IN. AND HE COULD TELL FROM THE ROOF THAT IT WAS COLLAPSING AS WELL. SO IF THE PROPERTY IS DEMOLISHED, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS WITH THAT RIGHT THERE TO DO A REPLICA OR WHAT EXACTLY? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT I WOULD BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE TOWN WOULD DICTATE TO US. WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY STARTED ANY PLANS. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION BY SAYING WE WANT TO BUILD OUR HOME ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO DIVIDE IT. IT'S TWO ACRES. I'D LIKE TO DIVIDE IT INTO FOUR LOTS. I HAVE TWO BOYS, TWO ADULT BOYS, MY WIFE AND I. SO WE WANT TO HAVE A PLAY. YOU KNOW, THE DREAMS OF A FAMILY COMPOUND THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT I WANT TO KEEP THE PROPERTY. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN HAVING 16. NO OFFENSE TO THE EARLIER PRESENTATION. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE 16 SMALL LOTS ON A TWO ACRE LOT. I WANT MY HOME THERE AND I WANT LAND. AND YOU JUST CAN'T FIND THAT. OBVIOUSLY, IN OLD TOWN VERY EASILY. YOU PRESENTED A LOT OF COMPELLING DOCUMENTATION ABOUT MOLD AND AND FUNGUS AND OBVIOUSLY PICTURES OF THE PLACE. DID YOU CONSULT AT ALL LIKE A REHABILITATION COMPANY, LIKE A METTERS OR A REPURPOSED SAVANNAH TO GET A LETTER FROM THEM SAYING LIKE, LISTEN, OUR JOB IS TO REPURPOSE. OUR JOB IS TO LIKE REHABILITATE STRUCTURES THAT ARE THIS OLD AND THIS DECREPIT, AND WE FIND THAT THIS IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE SAVED THAT LIKE TO ME, THAT IF YOU'RE CONSULTING EXPERTS AND YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, EXPERT DOCUMENTATION. DID YOU THINK IS THERE WAS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF OF COMPANIES TO GET A LETTER FROM THEM STATING WHAT THEY SEE ABOUT THE HOUSE? WE COULD KEEP GOING WITH BRINGING IN EXPERTS, BUT BETWEEN THE MOLD EXPERT SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MOLD OFF, EVEN IF THE IF THE WOOD WAS SALVAGEABLE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MOLD OUT. FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THE ASBESTOS HAS TO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, NOT SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT THE ASBESTOS HAS TO BE REMEDIATED BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. YOU CAN'T REMEDIATE THE ASBESTOS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IN THE BUILDING. [01:20:06] THERE'S NO STRUCTURALLY YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T FIX THE STRUCTURE TO FIX THE ASBESTOS PROBLEM. AND YOU CAN'T FIX THE ASBESTOS BECAUSE STRUCTURALLY IT'S NOT SOUND. SO BETWEEN MOLD ASBESTOS STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO AGAIN HE DID NOT GO ON THE INSIDE, BUT HE LOOKED IN THE OUTSIDE AND SAID, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SALVAGE THIS THING. I WENT IN THERE AND AGAIN, YOU CAN PULL UP PICTURES IF YOU WANT. THERE'S JUST NOT A DROP. YOU CAN PUT YOUR HAND THROUGH EVERY PIECE OF WOOD. IT'S. SOMEBODY LIVED IN THIS HOUSE, BY THE WAY, UNTIL MARCH. WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE, BUT I COULD PUT MY HANDS. SOMEBODY DID LIVE THERE. SOMEBODY LIVED IN THAT HOUSE. SOMEBODY LIVED THERE? YEAH. SHOULD NOT HAVE LIVED THERE. WHEN? WHEN A MOLD EXPERT GOES IN WHILE SHE'S LIVING THERE AND SAYS NOBODY SHOULD LIVE THERE, SHE WAS STILL LIVING THERE. I DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY, SO IT WASN'T MY MY ISSUE TO RESOLVE. THERE'S JUST THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT A PIECE THAT WOULD BE SALVAGEABLE JUST FROM A IT WOULD CRUMBLE IN YOUR HAND. KIND OF. I'M JUST SAYING IT WOULD BE NICE YOU GOT ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ALL THESE OPINIONS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU PAID FOR EXPERTS TO DO THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO SEE SOMETHING FROM. WELL, I JUST PROGRESSED IT TO THE POINT WHERE I SAID IT'S NOT SALVAGEABLE. I CAN GET, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE I COULD HAVE TAKEN IT FURTHER, BUT WHAT I HAVE, WHAT I HAVE, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT BUILDING. I WILL NEVER WALK IN THAT BUILDING AGAIN, NO MATTER WHAT'S DONE TO IT, NO MATTER WHAT REMEDIATION WOULD BE DONE. IT'S THAT IT'S BLACK. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IN THERE IS SOLID BLACK AND MOLD IS. IT'S HANGING DOWN FROM THE CEILING. SO WHEN YOU BROUGHT THE PROPERTY AND YOU SAW IT AND YOU SAID, OH, WE CAN LIVE IN HERE WHILE WE DO, WELL, NO, I DIDN'T DO CONSTRUCTION. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THEY WOULD NOT LET US IN, BUT. RIGHT. BUT IN THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND YOU SAW IT AND FROM THE OUTSIDE AND YOU THOUGHT TO YOURSELF LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LIVE IN HERE DURING CONSTRUCTION. SO YOU SAW WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE AND YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LIVE IN IT BEFORE. AFTER I PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT, I DID NOT SEE IT BEFORE I PUT ON THE CONTRACT. I WAS NOT ALLOWED INSIDE. THE OWNERS SAW FROM THE OUTSIDE. YES, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE. I MEAN, LOOK LIKE YOU NEED A ROOF. THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF SAGGING ON THE FRONT PORCH SINCE YOU PURCHASED IT? I THINK I JUST PURCHASED IT IN MARCH. OKAY. NOT OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, MAYBE THE FRONT. YOU SAID 16 MONTHS BEFORE THE CONTRACT ON IT. THERE WAS A TITLE ISSUE FOR 14, 15 MONTHS. SO I PUT IT IN A CONTRACT LAST SPRING, 24. IT DIDN'T CLOSE UNTIL. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE MONTH, BUT MARCH OF 25. SO ALONG THAT WAY WE DETERMINED. I'M LOOKING AT GLENN BECAUSE GLENN AND I TALKED ABOUT HOW WE WOULD SALVAGE. CAN WE MOVE IT? WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING IT TO A DIFFERENT SPOT BECAUSE I LEFT THAT ONE PART. THERE IS NO FOUNDATION. IT'S SITTING ON CONCRETE. IT'S NOT ON. IT'S NOT. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GROUND. IT'S JUST SITTING ON. THIS IS THE CONCRETE ABOUT THIS THING. SO WE TALKED ABOUT MOVING IT, WHICH I KNOW IS AN ISSUE TO DO, BUT IT WOULDN'T SURVIVE MOVING EVEN IF YOU DID MOVE IT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT A REPLICA, AND GLENN SAID YOU CAN DO A REPLICA IF YOU WANT. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE TOWN'S, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT. THAT DOESN'T. YEAH, THAT DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE TO BE A HISTORICAL BUILDING. IF WE BUILD IT A REPLICA, WE MIGHT. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO ANY FURTHER ON THE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH A HOME DESIGN UNTIL WE KNEW. YES, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER. BUT YOU HAD DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE YOU CLOSED THAT AND YOU KNOW IT. AND YOUR REALTOR KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS. I, I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES. AND I'VE BEEN IN THE RATE I WAS IN THE GRAVES HOUSE, THE GARVIN GARVEY HOUSE, JONI HAYWARD'S HOUSE, YOU IT HAD NO FLOOR WHEN BEFORE SHE DID IT. AND I LOOK AT AND I DID HEAR THAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO KEEP IT. SO IT GAVE ME GREAT HOPE UNTIL I SAW THIS DEMOLITION ON IT. BECAUSE I DO THINK IF YOU REALLY. AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL OUT ANYONE SITTING HERE, BUT THERE IS SOMEONE HERE WHO PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO HAVING A BUILDING THAT SHE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO BE DEMOLISHED, BUT SHE DIDN'T. BECAUSE THAT IS THE QUAINTNESS OF OUR TOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT PUT A MONUMENT, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF JOKE, PUT A MONUMENT AND SAY, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE WE'RE DEMOLISHING EVERY PART OF OUR HISTORY AND OUR TOWN. IT JUST SEEMS EASY. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE EASY. THIS SHOULD NOT BE AN EASY PROCESS. SO I'M NOT BEATING UP ON YOU, BUT ANYONE WHO COMES WHILE I'M HERE ON A DEMOLISHING. THIS SHOULD BE A HARD PATH TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE WE WE CAN WHITTLE AWAY TO. [01:25:01] NOT VERY MUCH IF WE KEEP DEMOLISHING STRUCTURES. MATTERS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO GO. WHERE IS THAT NEXT STEP? LIKE, OKAY, GUYS, I WANT TO REDO THIS. WHERE'S THE NEXT STEP ON HOW CAN WE? AND I THINK AS WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, WE PUT THAT 180 DAY REPRIEVE IN THERE BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS MAINE MAY NOT HAVE THE LOVE FOR THE HOUSE LIKE YOU DO, AND WE WANT THAT KIND OF BREATHER AND GET ALL HANDS ON BOARD TO FIND AN INSURANCE COMPANY WHO CAN GET YOU LIABILITY. MAYBE YOURS CAN'T, BUT MAYBE SOME CAN TO TALK TO A MATTERS TO DO A WHAT IS IT CALLED A AN ASSESSMENT SOME KIND OF A CONDITION ASSESSMENT. AND REALLY DO WHAT WE CAN BECAUSE JUST SAYING DEMOLISH IT OKAY. HOW MANY HAVE WE'VE DEMOLISHED THIS YEAR. I'M NOT JUST SAYING DEMOLISH IT. THIS HAS BEEN 16 MONTHS. NO, NO, I'M SAYING FOR US TO SAY I ABSOLUTELY WE DID NOT WANT TO BE STANDING HERE. WE DID NOT WANT TO. WE'RE MOVING TO BLUFFTON BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS YOU SPEAK OF. YEAH. IF YOU HAD WALKED, IF YOU WALKED THROUGH, I'LL WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH ME TWO DAYS AGO AND SAID WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, I WOULD. IT WOULD MEAN SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT THAN I PROMISE YOU. IF YOU WALK THROUGH IT, YOU WILL SAY, THIS THING CAN'T SURVIVE. IT'S NOT THAT BAD. I'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY THAT WERE AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE, AND I KNOW THE YOUNG LADY WHO LIVED THERE. I MEAN, SHE ABSOLUTELY. HAVE YOU BEEN IN THERE RECENTLY? I WAS IN THERE BEFORE YOU PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT. IT'S IT'S NOT. I WILL I WILL NEVER WALK IN THAT HOUSE AGAIN. NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE TO IT. IT IS THAT BAD. BUT TALKING TO COMPANIES, I'VE TALKED TO A FEW ARCHITECTS THIS WEEK. YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY. AND SEVERAL HAVE SAID IT. IT IT CAN BE DONE. YOU JUST GOT TO DO IT. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO REMEDIATE MOLD? I SOLD A HOUSE WITH ASBESTOS. IT IS A PROCESS AND IT'S A WAY TO DO IT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT. IF YOU DEMOLISH IT ANYWAY. YOU HAVE TO. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY STRICT, BUT I'VE ALREADY INVESTIGATED THAT. I KNOW IT HAS TO BE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. SO I REALLY PUSHED YEARS AGO TO PUT THIS LITTLE WINDOW OF LET'S STEP BACK. YOU'VE TALKED TO STAFF, NOW YOU'RE UP IN FRONT OF A VOTING COMMISSION. WHICH I GUESS IT GOES TO APPELLATE COURT OR SOMETHING. I CAN I WILL NOT OWN IT FOR 180 DAYS MORE WITH THAT HOUSE ON IT. I CAN'T FROM A I WILL NOT PUT MY ENTIRE RETIREMENT AT RISK, WHICH IS WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW. AND I DIDN'T MENTION THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT. I HAVE CAMERAS UP. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE VISITING THAT PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE PREVIOUS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS OCCUPANTS. AND EVERY TIME THAT CAMERA GOES OFF, NO MATTER WHAT, AND IT GOES OFF SEVERAL TIMES A DAY BECAUSE BIRDS AND OTHER THINGS SET IT OFF. I FREAK OUT BECAUSE IF SOMETHING SOMEONE GOES IN THERE AND GETS HURT, THEY CAN SUE ME AND GET EVERY ASSET I'VE GOT IT. I CANNOT TAKE THAT RISK. THAT'S UNFORTUNATE COMPLETELY, BECAUSE TEN YEARS, TEN YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. THAT BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN BASED ON THAT PICTURE. THAT WAS THAT WAS MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS SALVAGEABLE. I MEAN, BUT IT IS NOT SALVAGEABLE NOW. I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO OWN THAT PROPERTY, WE CAN'T WAIT TO MAKE A DECISION. I'M. YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M. MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING. WAS THE PROPERTY PURCHASED UNDER AN LLC OR A COMPANY? MY WIFE AND I. OKAY. IT'S US. AND WE WANT. I MEAN, I DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE DETAILS ON THE TITLE. WE WENT THROUGH A YEAR OF 21 PEOPLE STAKING CLAIM. WE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ALL THAT IF WE DID NOT WANT THIS TO BE OUR HOME. THIS IS NOT A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FROM A YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD OUR HOME AND WANTED THAT TO EITHER BE A COTTAGE OR MY WIFE'S ART STUDIO. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE PLAN. YEAH, BUT IT'S MORE AT STAKE HERE THAN IT JUST BEING A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY WAS A PART OF OUR GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE. SO AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DEMOLISHING IT. I'M NOT EITHER, BUT IT'S I FEEL THAT WE NEED. I FEEL THAT OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, WHETHER THAT'S REPURPOSE, SAVANNAH OR WHATEVER ELSE, TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THAT. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM A REHABILITATION EXPERT. AND THAT'S JUST ME. YEAH. YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT ME ANY WAY YOU WANT. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WALK THROUGH IT BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU HAVE THAT. [01:30:02] OUR CULTURE AND OUR HISTORY AND OUR COMMUNITIES ARE BEING WIPED AWAY, AND IT'S TIME FOR SOMEONE TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. REGARDLESS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU YOU'VE BEEN PUT IN THAT SITUATION, THAT DUE DILIGENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE YOU SIGNED. IT'S GOING TO END UP WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT. THAT'S WHO'S TRYING TO BUY IT FROM ME AND I, I DON'T. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD EVERYTHING AROUND IT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE WITH A I WANT A HOME. I DON'T WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT PROPERTY. I'M ABSOLUTELY SYMPATHETIC TO THAT, CAUSE I AM. IT'S NOT A CAUSE. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE GOING FORWARD A LITTLE BETTER. I APOLOGIZE. I YOU'RE JUST THINKING OF HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE WANT TO SEE? YEAH. I'VE SEEN THE HISTORIC RENOVATIONS BE DONE ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. MY WIFE WAS INVOLVED IN THE UNITED BLUFFTON UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, THE PARSONAGE BEFORE, AND THAT THING, I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE STICK WAS REPLACED FROM THE INSIDE OUT AS THEY WERE GOING THROUGH. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE FRAMING HAD TO BE SWAPPED. AND THAT WAS LIKE PRETTY DECENT TO START. AND IF YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A LOT OF THE PANELING TO DO THE MOLD, THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION, I DON'T SEE HOW THE THING REALLY JUST DOESN'T COLLAPSE. SO AS WE'RE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE FROM THEM AS FAR AS WHO IS WHO'S SAYING THAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY? WELL, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM AN ASBESTOS STANDPOINT, THE ASBESTOS HAS TO BE REMOVED BEFORE ANY WORK COULD BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY. ON THE BUILDING THAT IS STATE, FEDERAL. SOMEONE HAS A RULE TO THAT. THAT THIS IS FROM THE ASBESTOS PERSON. THAT CAN'T BE DONE WITH THE BUILDING IN THE CONDITION IT'S IN. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE AND DO THAT WORK SAFELY. AND YOU CAN'T DO ANY WORK UNTIL THE ASBESTOS IS OUT. IT'S LIKE A CHICKEN IN AN EGG CONVERSATION. I HAD A REALLY GOOD ASBESTOS COMPANY ON SAVANNAH THAT JUST DID OUR POST OFFICE, SO IF YOU NEED THAT NUMBER, I'M SURE THEY WILL COME OUT HERE. YEAH. MR. SILVA, GO AHEAD. YEAH. JUST I UNDERSTAND THIS, LANE. I'M TRYING TO STAY OUT OF MY REAL ESTATE LANE ON ALL THE THINGS. DUE DILIGENCE. AND IT IS REALLY HARD. VERY HARD. I HAVE SOLD MANY HOUSES WITH ASBESTOS. I HAVE BEEN PART OF SEEING A LOT OF HOUSES REHABBED. AND THANK GOODNESS FOR THE MANGLED ROOFS IN THE METHODIST CHURCH. OR THAT HOUSE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD AT THE TIME THAT BEETLES WERE EATING IT AT EVERY MINUTE ANOTHER BOARD WAS BEING EATEN. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS ON THE PATH OF BEING DEMOLISHED. I'M SORRY I FORGOT A THING, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR. LET ME MENTION ONE THING WHEN I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS. ACTUALLY, GLENN MAY OR CHARLOTTE MAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN ME. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. WE WERE TOLD THE TOWN WAS INTERESTED, WAS CONSIDERING THE PROPERTY. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO I ASKED, I REALLY DON'T, BUT I ASKED SOMEBODY IN THE TOWN, LOOK, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO BUY IT, I'M. I'M GETTING OUT OF THE WAY. I HAVE NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN TRYING TO GET INTO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A TOWN MONITOR BEFORE YOU CAME, AND WE WOULD HAVE REHABBED IT. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE SELLER WOULDN'T TAKE OUR PRICE. WE WE MADE AN OFFER. I MEAN, I THINK THAT CAN BE A FULL KNOWLEDGE. NOW, WHAT I JUST REALLY THIS IS A HARD DECISION TO MAKE, AND I'M NOT GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM HERE AND SAY, DEMOLISH WITHOUT KNOWING THE OTHER SIDE. SO HOW CAN WE AND HOW CAN THE TOWN PERHAPS HELP IN THIS TO GET PEOPLE OUT THERE TO GIVE US? YOU KNOW, SO YOU DO HAVE AN OPTION OR NOT THAT OPTION. BUT AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE 180 DAYS. SO I WANT TO CAUSE HARDSHIP ON HIM. SO YOU'RE SO THE LANGUAGE OF THE US IS NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS. YOU CAN VOTE TONIGHT TO OR MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT TO DELAY A DECISION. AND YOU CAN PICK ANY TIME PERIOD UP TO BUT NOT EXCEEDING 180 DAYS. SO 30, 60, 91, 2180 WOULD BE YOUR YOUR TIME PERIODS. AND YOU CAN DECIDE AMONGST YOURSELVES. YOU JUST CAN'T GO OVER 180 DAYS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE TO. AND DOES IT FALL ON US LIKE? [01:35:02] SHOULD WE WORKSHOP? SHOULD WE ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES, WHICH I'M WILLING TO DO. OR DOES IT FALL ON THE APPLICANT GO TO. AND I'M NOT SAYING USE THEM. I'M PLEASE KNOW THAT THEY'RE JUST THE MOST RECENT. THE SAVANNAH COMPANY. THEY'RE FABULOUS. THEY KNOW EVERY INCH OF OUR TOWN PRESERVED. SAVANNAH MEADOWS HAS DONE MIRACLES WITH WITH THE RIGHT FAMILY. RIGHT. AND THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN TOWN WITH THE RIGHT FAMILY THIS FAR. POP COTTAGE, WHO MATTERS, IS ALSO DOING SARAH RILEY HOOKS. OKAY, COOL. HOW DO WE DO THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HER TO GO AND GO. OH, WELL, WE DID NOTHING. AND 8090 DAYS IS GONE. WE AS STAFF CAN MAKE THAT INTRODUCTION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND METTERS. IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO WITH MATTERS I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY WHOSE. I JUST KNOW THAT MATTERS HAS A TRACK RECORD IN TOWN. ON AND THEN SET A TIME PERIOD TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. MEMBERS MAY COME BACK AND SAY YES, NO, OR I DON'T KNOW. I WILL DEFER TO THEIR EXPERTISE IN THAT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION THAT YOU HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO I WAS HOPING I WOULD HAVE SEEN IN SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS HEARING THE WANT TO KEEP IT ON. OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING I CAN'T, BUT BUT CAN I? YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT'S A HARDSHIP, AT LEAST YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT AND I DON'T. WELL, LET ME CLARIFY. YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT UNTIL WE GOT THE INFORMATION WE GOT, WHICH CAUSED US NOT TO BE COMFORTABLE KEEPING IT ANYMORE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE KEEPING THAT HOUSE ANYMORE BASED ON HAVING SEEN IT. A MOLD REPORT, AN ASBESTOS REPORT AND A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REPORT. I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO, BUT I ADDED THAT FIRST PIECE. WE WALKED THROUGH IT. THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR US TO KNOW WE AREN'T GOING TO BE COMFORTABLE UTILIZING THAT BUILDING FOR A PURPOSE THAT INVOLVED PEOPLE ANYMORE. WE WERE COMFORTABLE BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH MOLD, ASBESTOS, STRUCTURAL AND SEEING IT FOR OURSELVES. SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULDN'T, BUT EVEN IF SOMEONE ELSE CAME IN AND SAID IT COULD BE DONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MIGHT. THAT'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD CHANGE WHAT MY WIFE AND I WOULD DO AND WE WOULD NEVER FORCE. THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE TO FORCE THAT ON YOU. THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL LIKE, LIKE FEELING OF IT, I JUST KNOW. OVER THE YEARS SINCE, GOSH, WE'VE HAD A HISTORIC DISTRICT SINCE 1986 AND I HAVE SEEN HOMES. AND I WOULDN'T TELL YOU, I HAVE SEEN THAT HOUSE. I WOULD NEVER NOT NOT WHILE YOU'VE OWNED IT. I'VE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. ON YOUR RING DOORBELL, 10 OR 20 YEARS. IT'S JUST BEEN IT'S GOT VINYL SIDING ON IT. IT HAS MASSIVE HOLES IN THE ROOF. IT'S IT'S BEEN IN THE CONDITION IT'S BEEN FOR PROBABLY AT LEAST A DECADE. I KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE I TALKED TO A NEIGHBOR. I JUST I NEED TO KNOW FROM A COMPANY THAT DOES IT ALL THE TIME. THAT'S MY I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. I MEAN, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. I WHAT A HYPOCRITE I'D BE IF I JUST VOTED TO DEMOLISH IT BASED OFF OF OF. ONE, YOU KNOW, I, I GOTTA PROTECT I WANT TO PROTECT THIS TOWN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I PUSH FOR THE TOWN TO. BUT I AND THE TOWN WOULD HAVE FIGURED IT OUT. I MEAN, WE WE SEEM TO REHAB BETTER THINGS. WELL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW I THINK NOTHING ELSE. FINANCIALLY, THE TOWN CAN PROBABLY DO MORE THAN ANY INDIVIDUAL COULD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, TOO. I MEAN, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THERE. WE'RE NOT. HOW MUCH IS IT TO REHAB? OURS IS IT'S NOT HAVING SEEN AND HAVING TALKED TO FOLKS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE UTILIZING FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY. AND I WOULDN'T I WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT NOW, BUT I JUST I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE IT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THE HORSE. YEAH. NO, I JUST I NEED TO SEE FROM SOMEONE ELSE. AND IF IT'S POSTPONING IT FOR 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER. AND LET'S GET YOU SOME INSURANCE. YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT OTHER INSURANCE COMPANIES. I MEAN, THE UMBRELLA WON'T COVER WITH ANOTHER INSURER ANYWAY, SO IT DOESN'T SEE THAT IT DOESN'T CAN'T LEAVE YOU CLOSE AND NOT HAVE INSURANCE ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A MORTGAGE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT JUST THERE'S A LOT OUR LIABILITY IS MASSIVE. THAT DOESN'T FALL ON OUR NO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, BUT. YEAH, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. I JUST THAT'S NOT THE DECISION I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IS PROBABLY GOING TO CAUSE US TO STEP AWAY, WHICH IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. BUT. ABSOLUTELY. SO AGAIN, YOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE YOU CAN APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. [01:40:01] YOU CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS YOU CAN DENY OR YOU CAN TAKE THAT OPTION FOR UNDER 318 5B2. POSTPONE THE DECISION FOR DESIGNATED PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS. OKAY. AND MAY I ADD I THINK IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE AS WELL. IT'S FROM WHAT I, WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I'M INTERPRETING THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE OUTREACH WITH A COMPANY SUCH AS LETTERS OR REPURPOSE SAVANNAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK COULD BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, PRIOR TO THE NEXT HPC MEETING IN AUGUST. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS WHAT? AND YOU SAID, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE DELAY? IS THE DELAY TO HAVE A COMPANY I DON'T. I WOULDN'T KNOW WHO TO CHOOSE. SO YOU COULD CHOOSE DESMOND. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ASSESS IT. AND IS THAT I'M A LITTLE GUN SHY JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT BLAMING YOU GUYS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO MEETING A MEETING. MEETING I CAN'T KEEP. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO WAIT ANOTHER TWO MONTHS IF I KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE. IF IT'S COMPANY X, WHATEVER IT IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME THEM ASSESSING IT. THEN IF THEY SAY IT CAN BE DONE, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE. WELL, I CAN'T BE THE ONE TO DO IT. AND THAT'S I'LL GO, DO YOU KNOW, FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT OR IT CAN'T BE DONE. AND THEN YOU HAVE, I THINK, THE INFORMATION THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. YES. YEAH. IS 30 DAYS ADEQUATE? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME. DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE TO SET A PERIOD OR DO WE JUST DO YOU HAVE TO SET A PERIOD? WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS AN ASSESSMENT FROM A COMPANY. WE COULD SET SEVERAL PERIODS AND WE COULD SET 30 DAYS 60. AND IT CAN TAKE LESS. WE COULD TAKE LESS UP TO IT. CAN WE SAY WHATEVER TIME PERIOD YOU WANT OR UNTIL THE REPORT IS OBTAINED IN THE NEXT STAGE THIS EVENING. SO IF THE REPORT TAKES THREE WEEKS, THEN SURE. AND THAT'S IF IT COMES UP UNDERNEATH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T GET THE REPORT IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE GO. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER STEP OR ANOTHER STEP, I WOULDN'T I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T I CAN'T WAIT TO ABLE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THAT PROPERTY OR SEE THERE. I'LL ANSWER YOU. YOU MEAN MY PERSONAL, MY HOME. I MEAN, THAT'S IT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN. LIKE I SAID, I'D BE MASSIVE AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SEPARATE FOR US. FOR THAT, I GET IT. I HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. ANYWAY, MY WIFE WOULD SHOOT ME IF IT WAS OVER 3500FT². WELL, YOU SAW THE HAYWARD STREET. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S VERY ONE AND A HALF STORY. YEAH, WE DID IT. IN YOUR NARRATIVE, WHAT IS THE THE MEGAN, THERE'S A TERM I'VE HEARD. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT TO. WE DON'T WANT A BIG HOUSE. I DON'T WANT A BIG HOUSE. WE. I BOUGHT A HOUSE. JUST SAID OKAY. BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO TAKE TIME. I, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE AROUND THE CORNER THAT'S CURRENTLY 1800 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN A MECCA. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IF WE PUT IF WE VOTE TO POSTPONE IT FOR, SAY, 60 DAYS AND IT TAKES THREE WEEKS OR HOWEVER LONG THAT'S PAST THE DUE DATE FOR THE AUGUST SUBMITTAL. CAN WE MAKE A CONDITION TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PAST, THAT IT CAN STILL COME BEFORE THE HBC AT THE NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT TO HIS. I DON'T WANT YOU TO DELAY THAT TOO MUCH. WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT ON. CAN YOU GET IT ON THE TABLE AND THEN JUST ADD IT OR PUT IT ON, AND THEN JUST ADD THE REPORT WHEN IT COMES IN? OKAY. YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. NOW. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE QUICKER. REPURPOSE THE ENTITY OR THEM. ARE YOU. ARE Y'ALL QUICK? I'LL PAY FOR IT. REPURPOSE HAS PROVEN. YEAH, THEY'RE VERY QUICK. WE CAN HELP WITH THAT. STOP. I WANT YOU TO HAVE WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE. I'M NOT SURE. HERE. YES, I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO GET THAT FOR YOU. OKAY, WELL, I MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THE DECISION FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS. BUT TO GO ON AND PUT A PLACEHOLDER ON NEXT MONTH'S HPC, IF WE CAN GET THE REPORT BACK WITHIN THAT TIME. OKAY, GREAT. SECOND REVIEW FOR THE DISCUSSION. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION FOR YOU? I'M SORRY. I THINK WE HAVE TO. WELL, OKAY. YES. DISCUSSION ON THE TABLE. FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. DO THEY BELIEVE THAT IT IS THAT THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION FOR. THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING THEM. WE'RE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION I THINK FOR. WELL, AS FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT, THEY'LL KNOW WHATEVER THEIR ASSESSMENT IS. IS THAT OKAY? THAT'S THEIR JOB. OKAY. AND WE HAVE PAST ONES THEY'VE DONE THAT FOR. I WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SQUARE POKE COTTAGE. OH, IT WAS IT. IT WAS BAD. YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF IT, IF THAT IS TO. CLINTON AND CHARLOTTE ARE GOING TO CALL. THEY JUST HAVE BEEN HERE AND THEY'VE DONE IT. THEY. YEAH I KNOW THEY BELIEVE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD IF THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, IT CAN BE DONE. YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO SAY NO, BUT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE. [01:45:06] I'LL GO IN. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION CAUSE I'M NOT HERE TO DO IT. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS ALL PART OF THE DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER? SO THE TIME STARTS TOMORROW, AND Y'ALL WILL KEEP US UPDATED AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP, I DON'T KNOW. WE DO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. OH, WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING. YEAH, SURE. YEAH. OKAY. WAIT FOR THE VOTE. THEY'RE STILL DISCUSSING. I'LL CALL MY OWN QUESTION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THE MOTION IS PASSED TO POSTPONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. HISTORIC DISTRICT UPDATE. [VIII.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)] OH, I JUST FORGOT ABOUT THAT. SHE WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH. WE SHOULD KEEP HER A LITTLE LONGER. YEAH, AND. SO WE HAVE ANGIE CASTILLON DOES A GREAT JOB OF PROVIDING REVIEWS OF OUR SITE FEATURE PERMITS, AND SHE'S PUT TOGETHER A LIST HERE OF ITEMS FROM THIS PAST MONTH. AND WE'VE HAD EVERYTHING FROM REROOFING, QUITE A FEW, SEVERAL OF THOSE RATHER SIGNAGE AND FENCING. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU EVERY MONTH. SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON NINE. OUTSIDE OF OUR SOFAS. AND WITH THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION NOT ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, BUT IT'S UNDER OTHER DISCUSSION. SO WHEN WE MET WITH Y'ALL ABOUT THE JUST GO OVER THE AGENDA. MY ONE QUESTION ON MERRIWEATHER WAS, WHY ARE WE NOW LETTING THEM PUT THE HVAC UNIT UNDER THE STAIRS? WHEN WE TOLD HOW MANY THE MONTH BEFORE THEY HAD TO MOVE IT? SHOULD WE CHANGE THAT IN OUR MINUTES? SHOULD WE REVOTE ON SOME OF THEM? BECAUSE NOW WE'VE LEARNED YOU DON'T HAVE TO. IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL. HOW DO WE RECTIFY THE MESS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DID CONTACT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS. I THINK THERE WERE SOME THAT DID NOT HAVE HVAC UNDER UNDER STAIRWELLS. I WILL GO BACK THROUGH EACH APPLICATION. THERE WERE FOUR. I WILL GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND THEN CONTACT THE APPLICANT. THAT THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, OR THAT CONDITION IS NOT REQUIRED AND SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN MINUTES FOR FUTURE PEOPLE WHO CHECK MINUTES TO SEE. I MEAN, SHOULD WE DO IT SOMETHING AS A COMMISSION ON THAT? IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES WE HAVE IT, AND WE CAN HAVE MANY MINUTES IN THIS MEETING AS SOON AS YOU SAY. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST I JUST WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE TO COME BACK ON THAT. AND BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMED TO BE THAT, THAT IN YOUR TREE, THE TREE CANOPY, THOSE WERE THE TWO NEW THINGS AND I IT WAS MOST OF THE ONES I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE LIKE EVERY OTHER APPLICATION. YEAH, YEAH. THAT WAS THOSE APPLICATIONS CAME IN WITH THE HVAC UNDER THE STAIRS. RIGHT. IT'S A PRETTY COMMON PLACE TO PUT IT. AND I ASKED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AFTER THE MEETING ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S REALLY IT'S A COMMERCIAL CODE ISSUE, NOT A RESIDENTIAL. SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER SHORT TERM RENTALS COMMERCIAL? AND I DON'T THINK I BELIEVE THEY'RE REVIEWED UNDER RESIDENTIAL CODE. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD REVIEW IT. THEIR USE WOULD CHECK THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL. SO YOU REVIEW IT UNDER A RESIDENTIAL CODE. CORRECT. AND NOT LARGER THAN A DUPLEX. YOU'RE STILL IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. I JUST WOULD HATE TO THAT POP UP. AND WE NEVER READ OTHER THAN A PHONE CALL JUST TO SHOW IT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SIR? I JUST HAD TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO TOWN AND TOWN STAFF FOR THE PRESERVATION SERVICE AWARD YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH. NICE JOB. THANK YOU. KEEP IT UP. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE AWAY MONEY. ALL RIGHT. I FOUND THAT'S THE HARDEST THING TO GIVE AWAY. MONEY. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. YES. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE AYE. OKAY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.