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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BEAVER COUNTY.
COUNCILMAN FLO WELLING, COUNCILMAN GLOVER HERE.
COUNCILMAN VISHAAN, PRESENT COUNSEL, WOMAN HOWARD HARE, COUNCILMAN LAWSON, MARK LAWSON, PRESENT COUNCILMEN MCCOWEN, COUNCILMAN RODMAN HERE.
COUNCILMAN SUMMERVILLE AND CHAIR.
EVERYONE IS HERE SO WE CAN CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF COUNCIL.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA CHAIRMAN.
I HEARD TWO PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.
IT LOOKED LIKE MR. SOMERVILLE WAS THE MOTION.
AND I COULDN'T TELL WHO WAS THE SECOND MACALLAN.
MCCLELLAN WAS THE SECOND DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
ANY DISCUSSION WITHOUT EXCEPTION THERE, THIS, UH, GENDER WILL BE APPROVED.
UM, MR. GREENWAY, OUR ACTING ADMINISTRATOR.
WILL YOU PRESENT YOUR REPORT PLEASE? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COUNCIL.
UM, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP FOR US TO DO, UH, IN MY ADMINISTRATORS TO, UH, AS A PART OF MY REPORT IS TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK AND ROLE OF FIVE COUNTY EMPLOYEES.
AND, OH, I'M GOING TO DO THAT HERE IN A MOMENT.
I DO WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I DO NOT CONSIDER THESE FIVE EMPLOYEES TO BE ANYTHING MORE SPECIAL THAN THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO GET TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE THINGS THAT THEY DO FOR THE COUNTY AND THE UNIQUE, UH, INFORMATION THAT THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THEIR LIVES.
SO OUR FIRST EMPLOYEE THIS EVENING IS, UH, A YOUNG LADY BY THE NAME OF BRITTANY FIELDS, WHO IS A SENIOR ADMINISTRATORS SPECIALIST.
THERE'S BEEN ON BUFORD COUNTY A YEAR AND FIVE MONTHS.
BRITTANY PERFORMS A WIDE RANGE OF COMPLEX ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES AND SUPPORT OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS DEPARTMENT AND THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF THE ENGINEERING DIVISION.
SHE EVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
PROJECT COORDINATION MANAGES PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS FOR SOLICITATIONS AND CONTRACTS AND PROVIDES ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT TO THE BUFORD COUNTY TRANSPORTATION.
THE COMMITTEE SEAFOAM PROGRAM, AND UNIQUE ABOUT BRITTANY THAT SHE'S WILLING TO SHARE PUBLICLY IS THAT SHE HAS A FORMER ROLLER DERBY PLAYER AND HOLDS A CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE FOR THE 24 TO 2016 JAPAN OPEN ROLLER DERBY.
OUR NEXT IMPLANT, YES, KATIE HERRERA, WHO WAS THE ASSISTANT STORMWATER MANAGER.
SHE HAS BEEN WITH BUFORD COUNTY FOR TWO YEARS AND SEVEN MONTHS.
SHE MANAGES THE COUNTY'S MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, MS. FOUR PERMIT ASSESSED THE STORM WATER MANAGER, PREPARING FISCAL BUDGETING AND PLANNING THROUGH THE STORM WATER UTILITY.
AND SHE ACTS AS A LIAISON BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE STORM WATER UTILITY BOARD.
SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT KATIE THAT SHE IS WILLING TO SHARE PUBLICLY IS THAT SHE HAS SPENT 619 DAYS OF HER LIFE WORKING OFF SHORE ON COMMERCIAL FISH, FISH, FISHING VESSELS, AS A BIOLOGIST FOR NOAH IN THE GULF OF MAINE EX-CO AND BOTH THE PACIFIC AND ATLANTIC OCEANS.
DURING THAT TIME, SHE HAS SEEN AND EXPERIENCED THINGS.
MOST PEOPLE CAN NEVER BRING UP INCLUDING FALLING A MURDER AT SEA PLOT AGAINST THE CAPTAIN POWELL FIVE DAYS FROM LAND SURVIVING, AN OFFSHORE VESSEL, FIRE AND RESCUE ON NON CUBAN IMMIGRANTS FROM A SINK SOMEWHERE.
BUT WHEN CUBA AND KEY WEST THIRD EMPLOYEE IS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NAME OF TANNER PAL.
WHO'S THE SPECIAL PROJECTS ENGINEER AND HAS BEEN WITH BUFORD COUNTY FOR THREE YEARS.
TANNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLETION AND CLOSE DESTINATION ESTIMATION FOR MAINTENANCE OF COUNTY PROPERTIES, REVIEWS, DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH STORMWATER MOS, FOUR REQUIREMENTS IN TANDEM WITH KATIE HERRERA PREPARED SCOPE OF WORK.
SO SOLICITS BE ABLE TO REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS ASSETS, SOCIAL ASSETS,
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SUCH AS SIDEWALKS AND BOAT, LANDINGS REVIEWS AND APPROVES AND PRACTICAL FORMAT APPLICATION.SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT TANNER IS THAT HE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE MONIKER BY HIS FRIENDS, THE WALK-IN SAC, THE WALKING ENCYCLOPEDIA DUE TO HIS ABILITY TO RECALL INFORMATION FROM THE WIDEST ASSORTMENT OF SUBJECTS IMAGINABLE.
THESE NEXT TWO EMPLOYEES YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE YOU DEAL WITH THEM QUITE A BIT.
I'M HIGHLIGHTING THEM TODAY BECAUSE DURING THE LAST FEW WEEKS, SOME VERY ERRONEOUS AND TERRIBLE THINGS, I'M GOING TO SET ABOUT THEM ANONYMOUS EMAILS, AND THAT IS SARAH BROCK AND ROBERT BECHTOLD TO MY RIGHT HERE.
THESE FOLKS COME TO WORK EVERY DAY.
I DO THINK THAT THEY ARE HERE TO SERVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS.
THEY ARE HERE TO SERVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS COUNCIL.
AND I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND THEIR HARD WORK.
AND I DO WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT IN MY WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, I HAVE FOUND MANY OF THE MANY, IF NOT, ALL OF THE THINGS STATED IN THOSE ANONYMOUS EMAILS TO BE INCORRECT AND IN ERROR.
SO I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE COUNTY AND ALSO TO TANNER KATIE AND BRITTANY FOR THEIR HARD WORK AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE FOLKS ARE ON, UH, WITH US, UM, THIS EVENING, UH, BUT I DO WANT TO THANK THEM.
DON'T YOU MEAN FOR DOING THAT? THE NEXT ITEM ON MY REPORT IS THE COMP PLAN AND GREEN PRINT WORKSHOPS ARE COMING UP THIS WEEK.
UH, WE WILL HAVE THOSE TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY EVENINGS FROM FOUR TO 8:00 PM EACH NIGHT.
THOSE WILL BE DROP IN TYPE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE FOLKS CAN DROP IN AS CONVENIENT TO THEM.
UH, TOMORROW NIGHT SESSION WILL BE AT THE BURTON WALES SENIOR CENTER AT ONE MIDDLETON RECREATION DRIVE.
ON WEDNESDAY EVENING, WE WILL BE AT THE BUCK WALKER RECREATION CENTER AT NINE OH FIVE BUCK WALTER PARKWAY.
AND THEN ON THURSDAY EVENING, WE WILL BE AT THE FRUITVALE COMMUNITY HOUSE AT PENN CENTER AT 16 PENN CENTER CIRCLE, WEST AND ST.
THOSE ARE PART OF THE UPDATES THAT YOU HEARD A FEW WEEKS AGO ON THE COMP PLAN AND THE GREENPRINT UPDATE FOR US TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS.
WE WILL BE HOLDING A COUNTY WIDE DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING THAT BEGINS AT EIGHT 30 AT THE LAMP ROUNDS, UH, CENTER HERE AND BUFORD TO JUST FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO RECONNECT AND GET TOGETHER FOR SOME FELLOWSHIP FOURTH.
UH, MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN TODAY, A COMMUNICATION THAT WENT OUT EARLIER FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS FOLKS AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT REGARDING REOPENING THE BLUFFTON AND BATTERY CREEK POOL, AND ALSO THE REOPENING OF THE BURTON WELLS RECREATION CENTER.
THOSE ARE SCHEDULED TO REOPEN ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER THE SECOND.
AND WE'LL BE OPEN FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM.
UH, THE, UH, BOB WALKER RECREATION CENTER AND THE ABUSER POOL REMAIN CLOSED DUE TO CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS TO THOSE FACILITIES.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE COPING OF COUNTY FACILITIES, WE ARE WORKING ON A PLAN, UH, TO DO THAT.
WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL IN THE COMING DAYS, UH, AS OUR, AS THAT PLAN TAKE SHAPE AND THAT COMPLETE CON CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ERICA, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERIC SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE, BUT THE NEXT ITEM IS THE REVIEW OF OUR, THIS QUICKLY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY TO MR. GREENWAY, APPRECIATE THE, UM, UM, THE BRIEFING OF SOME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES, UH, IN THE, IN THE SYSTEM.
BE GOOD TO SEE A PICTURE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT I CAN RECOGNIZE THEM IF I SEE THEM AND CONGRATULATE THEM.
I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.
NO, NO, THAT WONDERFUL COMMENTS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO KNOW SOME THINGS ABOUT OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WE WOULD NEVER, EVER HAVE KNOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, ROLLER DERBY.
UH, MY FAMILY WAS IN ROLLER DERBY, SO I KNOW FULL WELL ABOUT THE BANK TURNS AND THE BUTTING OF HEADS AND KNOCKING PEOPLE OVER THE RAILS MANY YEARS AGO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, THAT WERE, THAT WAS MY COUSINS WHO WERE IN ROLLER DERBY.
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND REALLY GLAD THAT SOME OF THE POOLS ARE BACK OPENING UP IN RECREATION CENTERS.WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AGENDA.
THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IN THE AGENDA, UH, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES THAT YOU HAVE JUST RECEIVED A COUPLE HOURS AGO, THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 28TH.
NOW WE CAN EITHER DO THAT AS AN ADD ON IF YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES, OR WE CAN JUST MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WHAT, WHAT WILL BE THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? I WOULD PREFER MS. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS BRIAN FLAILING.
I WOULD PREFER HOLDING OFF ON VOTING THOSE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM, RIGHT? UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY, THEY JUST CAME OUT.
IT WAS AN ERROR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THINGS THE CORRECT WAY.
SO WE WILL REMOVE THE SEPTEMBER 28TH, 20, 20 MINUTES FROM THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE WILL MAKE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA, BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS BEEN PRINTED THAT WAY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, UH, UNDER ACTION ITEMS, NUMBER NINE, TO MOVE THAT, THAT BE MOVED, UH, THAT, THAT MATTER BE POSTPONED UNTIL NOVEMBER 9TH OF 2020 REASON BEING AT TWO 24 THIS AFTERNOON, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DRAFTED AN AMENDED ORDINANCE, UH, THAT, UH, I JUST RECEIVED THIS NEEDS TO BE A SEND OUT TO COUNTY COUNCIL SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS B NEEDS TO SEE, UH, BE REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE IT MAKES ALL OF THE LEGAL LANGUAGE.
AND THEN C WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS.
SO THEREFORE I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA, TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER NINE TO A NEW DATE.
ANY COMMENTS, MOTION NOW, OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HAVE TO BE WHEN WE OPEN UP THE COUNTY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING FOR BUSINESS, THAT WE WILL, UH, TAKE THAT ITEM OFF THE AGENDA.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT, REMOVE THAT FROM THE AGENDA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A CONTROVERSIAL ITEM.
WE WANT TO HAVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, SUFFICIENT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR ALL THE THINGS FROM THE PUBLIC.
NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM OUR EXPERTS NOW.
UM, I DO WANT TO SET UP A SPECIAL WORKSHOP OF COUNCIL, UM, A DATE TO BE DETERMINED AFTER I'M ABLE TO CONTACT OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT, INDIVIDUALS IN THE COUNTY, THE HOSPITALS TO GET INPUT FROM THEM, WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PRESENT TO COUNTY COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND HOW WE WANT TO DO IT.
UH, NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL, UH, DO A FURTHER RESEARCH AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE IS CORRECT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHURCHES.
UH, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT REMOVED AND I'M TARGETING THE FIRST DATE AVAILABLE AS A SPECIAL MEETING FOR STANDALONE ONE ITEM, NO OTHER THING TO BE ON THE AGENDA, BUT THIS ORDINANCE, UH, AS NOVEMBER THE 23RD, IF THAT'S A MONDAY, UH, THAT'S AN OPEN DATE IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A PROPER WORKSHOP OR WORKSHOPS, IF THEY ARE NEEDED, UH, THEN WE WILL MOVE THAT TO NOVEMBER THE 30TH.
BUT THE FIRST ONE I'D LIKE TO TRY IS NOVEMBER THE 23RD, ANY COMMENTS? YES.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, MS. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, THE EFFORT TO MOVE THIS TO A LATER MEETING, SEEMS LIKE A ROPE, A DOPE, AND IT'S LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY TODAY AND, AND THEN MAKE YOUR VOTE.
AND SO YOU'RE CHANGING UP AND SWITCHING IT AROUND SO THAT IT WILL BE AT SOME OTHER TIME WHEN IT MIGHT NOT BE AS, UM, AS FRESH IN THE PUBLIC'S MIND.
AND YOU WON'T GET TO HEAR, UH, EVERYTHING THAT TO BE SAID.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, I THINK AS A WHOLE, IF YOU REMEMBER MY VOTE
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WAS THAT THIS THING WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO BEGIN WITH, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PUSH IT OFF IS PROBABLY THE BEST THING I GOT TO TELL YOU, THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO THIS VERY WELL.THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO SAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY UPSET BY THIS TO CHANGE IT TO ANOTHER DATE.
MR. COVERT, MR. CHAIRMAN TWO QUESTIONS ON THE 23RD, THAT WORKSHOP WILL THERE'LL BE VOTES TAKEN THERE.
NO, THE 23RD IS THE 23RD OF NOVEMBER WILL BE A SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE MASK ORDINANCE FOR THAT WE WILL HOLD AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE WORKSHOPS WHERE WE, THE COUNTY COUNCIL ARE GOING TO GET INPUT FROM HEALTH EXPERTS AS TO THE MASK ORDINANCE AND OR WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN MITIGATING, UM, COVID-19 HERE.
SO WE WANT THEM TO WEIGH IN SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN LISTEN IN ON THAT MAKE THEIR, UM, DETERMINATIONS SO THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE THE MASK ORDINANCE, THEY ARE FULLY PREPARED TO WEIGH IN BASED UPON, UM, EXPERT TESTIMONY, IF YOU WILL.
I SEE OTHERS HAVE, HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, YOU WANTED TO GET EXPERTS, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, WILL YOU ALSO BE ACCEPTING EXPERTS FROM FOLKS THAT SEE THIS AS A DIFFERENT, ON A DIFFERENT SIDE THAN YOU DO? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WANT IT TO BE FAIR TO BOTH SIDES ON BOTH SIDES.
THE LAST THING YOU MENTIONED ON A NUMBER NINE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAD A, UH, POSED, UH, AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE THAT WOULD THIS, I'M WANTING TO KNOW WHY ISN'T THE SAME LOGIC USED IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE OR ORDINANCES BY OUR, OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES HAVE TO START AT THE COMMITTEE AND THEN BE BROUGHT FORWARD.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMITTEE THE MASK ORDINANCE WOULD BE A PART OF.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR PLEASURE, I GUESS, TO ASSIGN THAT THE RULES DON'T SAY IF IT MATCHES, IT JUST SAYS, I'M SURE YOU'VE READ IT.
MR. HARVEY, SEAN CHAIRMAN, JUST TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE THIRD, AND THE 30TH, GIVEN JUST HOW CONTENTIOUS THIS ISSUE IS IN THE PUBLIC.
THOSE WOULD SEEM TO BE TRAVEL DATES FOR THANKSGIVING.
UM, WE'RE ALMOST AT FOUR MONTHS WHERE WE'VE HAD A MASSIVE ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S PRECIPITATING US OR MOVING US FROM THE AGENDA NOW, AND THEN WANTING TO CALL IN EXPERTS FROM BOTH SIDES AND DO THIS WHOLE WORKSHOP THING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
LIKE WHAT HAS PRECIPITATED THIS? UM, JUST AS MR. COVERT SAID, WE WANT EXPERT TERROR, EXPERT, NOT CITIZEN COMMENTS, THEY'RE THEIR OPINIONS.
WE WANT FACTUAL EXPERT OPINIONS TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IN WHATEVER ORDINANCE.
AND BY THE WAY, NO ONE THAT I AM AWARE OF EVER SAID THAT THIS WAS GOING TO GO ON FOR EVER.
WE WANTED TO DO THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DO THIS 60 DAYS AT A TIME, WHICH IS WHAT OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES SAY REGARDING EMERGENCY ORDINANCES.
AND THEREFORE THIS ALLOWS US TO BE FLEXIBLE AS THE COVID 19 WANES OR INCREASES.
WE COULD COME BACK ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AFTER WE RECEIVE EXPERT TESTIMONY IN THIS.
SO, YEAH, THE 23RD MAY BE SOME PEOPLE LEAVING FOR THANKSGIVING, BUT AS YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED NOT TO HAVE LARGE GROUPS FOR THANKSGIVING AND COMING BACK AFTER THANKSGIVING, USUALLY PEOPLE COME BACK THAT, UH, SUNDAY THERE IT'S A SHORT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S THE WEDNESDAY TO THE SUNDAY IS USUALLY THE HEAVY TRAVEL DAYS FOR THEM.
I DO THINK THAT THE 23RD AND 30TH TEND TO
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BE SOME TRAVEL DAYS FOR SOME OF US.UM, THE THING WE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IN ORDER TO NOT RUN OUT OF THE EMERGENCY ONE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THE THIRD READING ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER AT OUR MEETING.
AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN, I BELIEVE THE NINTH IN, IN NOVEMBER.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME, WE NEED TO GET THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING EARLIER THAN LATE NOVEMBER.
UH, SO EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GO OFF MONDAY, I THINK IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING FOR A DATE SOONER.
AND I THINK PUBLIC, UH, UH, TO BRIAN'S POINT WOULD SEE IT AS LESS LIKELY.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO KEEP TRACK OF SECOND, THIRD WEEK, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GO BACK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, AGAIN, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE AND THIS ISSUE ONLY.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO IT, DO IT ON THE 16TH, WE HAVE A FINANCE AND A PUBLIC FACILITIES MEETING AND COULD HAVE IT AFTER THAT FOR ONE SINGLE ITEM.
I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET WHATEVER EXPERTS WE CAN HAVE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME BEFORE THE 16TH.
SO I'D HAVE TO WORK ON THAT TOMORROW TO MAKE SURE I GET THE EXPERTS LINED UP FOR A WORKSHOP THAT WE, ALL OF US COULD ATTEND.
THE PUBLIC COULD LISTEN IN ON.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE DECISION-MAKING, BUT THERE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE TO SAY.
SO IF THE 16TH IS AN IDEAL DATE, THAT'S FINE BY ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UM, I JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN, UM, 16TH, 23RD OR THE 30TH.
UM, IT'S ALL GOOD FOR ME AND IF I WIN NEW ORLEANS, I CAN, I CAN, UH, WEBEX, UH, FROM NEW ORLEANS.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY? THEN I WILL TRY FOR THE 16TH TO SEE IF I COULD SET UP A WEBEX MEETING THE WEEK OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TH THE WEEK OF THE FOURTH IS, IS KIND OF JAMMED UP.
SO I WOULD TRY AND DO THAT SOMETIME.
UM, THE WEEK OF THE NINTH, MAYBE THE 10TH, THE 11TH, THE 12TH, ONE OF THOSE DATES THAT WE WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD BE LINED UP.
WE KNOW THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO ASK.
WE KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE.
EVERYBODY WILL BE LINED UP AND WE'LL SET THAT MEETING UP.
UM, THEN, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS NOT THE FIRST READING.
SO WE'LL NEED TO CHANGE THAT VERBIAGE TO THE SECOND READING AND ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WILL BE REMOVED.
SO THOSE WILL BE THE CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THE LIAISON COMMITTEE REPORTS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TURN TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR, MR.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. RODMAN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE FEE IN LIEU? UM, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH TAXES.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE.
UM, WE'LL HAVE, UM, LEGAL WEIGH IN ON THAT.
YOU MAY HAVE A POINT, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I THINK THAT TWO 78 INDEPENDENT REVIEW, UH, NEEDS DISCUSSION, SO IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AT SOME POINT.
SO YOU WILL MAKE THAT KNOWN AT THE, UM, COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THAT REMOVED FROM
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CONSENT AND PUT ON THE ACTION ITEMS. OKAY.THAT WILL THEN WILL BECOME ACTION ITEM NUMBER 19.
UH, KURT, DID YOU HEAR STEW'S QUESTION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT THE FEE IN LIEU IS IN FACT, UM, TAXES? WELL, I DID, UH, I DID.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS TO SEE WHAT THAT IS.
UM, AND IT STARTS WITH AN INDUCEMENT RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD BE A RESOLUTION OF COURSE, THEN THERE'S THE FEE AGREEMENT.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS IS AN ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, UH, HEADING ON THE AGENDA IS REFERRING TO THE ONES AHEAD OF THAT.
UM, THE BACKUP DOES INCLUDE ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS FOR AGREEMENTS, RIGHT.
AND, AND, AND I, AS I LOOK FOR THESE, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, REFERS TO A STONE GARDEN, GLASS, GARDEN, GLASS, AND BERGER, WHICH ARE ALSO SAID IN ITEM FOUR.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUAL A REDUNDANCY OR NOT.
SO IF WE COULD QUICKLY LOOK THAT UP, WE MAY JUST TAKE ITEM NUMBER FOUR OFF THAT, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT MY BACKUP DOCUMENTATION, UM, IT DID SAY THE, UM, YEAH, APPROVE THE NEW RATES FOR ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE FEE IN LIEU THAT, YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE THAT THE AGENDA SIMPLY REFLECTS IT INCORRECTLY AND IT DOES INCLUDE ORDINANCES.
AND THERE ARE ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS ORDINANCES AND FEE AGREEMENTS FOR EACH OF THE THREE.
AND IT SAYS JUST THE ITEM FOUR SAYS, UM, IT RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FILO AGREEMENTS AND THE OTHERS ARE ORDINANCES REGARDING THOSE.
SO WE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO JUST ELIMINATE FOUR BECAUSE IF WE'RE APPROVING THEM FOR ORDINANCES, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE RE FIRST READINGS OF THE ORDINANCES AND THAT'S WHAT, YES, IT'S IN THE BACKUP BEHIND NUMBER FOUR.
SO I WOULDN'T ELIMINATE NUMBER FOUR.
AND THEN THE THREE IS A MULTI-COUNTY PARK ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE SIMILAR PROJECTS.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS A SPECIAL SORT SESSION, SPECIAL SOURCE REVENUE CREDIT ALSO RELATING TO ONE OF THE PROJECTS MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT ADD, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU CHANGED THE WORDING ON NUMBER FOUR TO, UM, TO SAY THAT IT'S A FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION REGARDING INDUCEMENT FOR, UM, UM, FOR PROJECT BURGER, PROJECT GARDEN, PROJECT GLASS, BE IN LIEU OF PROPERTY TAXES, BECAUSE HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THAT IT IS, UM, IT IS BOTH A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE.
AND IN ORDER TO GET TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN PLACE.
SO BREEDING OF A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE REGARDING MULTI COUNTY INDUSTRIAL PARK BE IN LIEU OF PROPERTY TAXES, FILO AGREEMENT FOR PROJECT BURGER, PROJECT, GARDEN, PROJECT GLASS, RIGHT.
THERE ARE THREE THINGS FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION AND A FEE AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.
UM, CHRIS, DID YOU, UM, GET THAT INFORMATION, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, BOTH NEED TO BE FIRST READING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
NUMBER FOUR ORDINANCES, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY'RE RELATED, BUT THEY'RE NOT CORRECT.
AND RESTAURANT COMPRESS AND WORKING IN SAN RESOLUTION.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT CHRIS GETS THE CORRECT WORDING SO THAT WHEN HE'S TALKING ABOUT THESE, YOU CAN HAVE THE CORRECT WORDING WOULD BE APPROVAL OF AN INDUCEMENT RESOLUTION, A FEE AGREEMENT, AND AN ORDINANCE TO CREATE A FEE IN LIEU OF TEXAS FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE PROJECTS, BURGER, GARDEN GLASS.
SO THERE'S THREE DOCUMENTS FOR EACH PROJECT.
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OKAY.CHRIS, DID YOU GET THAT? WELL, BRENNA SENDING ME A MESSAGE.
I CAN JUST COPY IT FROM THE, UM, FINANCE AGENDA, THE LAST FINANCE AGENDA, I THINK.
AND IF I MESS IT UP, JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, MR. RODMAN? UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I LOST A LITTLE TRACK OF THIS, BUT AT OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK WE VOTED TO GO BACK TO THE 4.8 MILS FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL FROM THE 5.8.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO OR IS THAT A DONE DEAL AT THIS POINT? THIS WILL BE THE THIRD READING FOR THAT AT THE 4.8, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED BACKUP DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHY THE 4.8 IS A LEGITIMATE NUMBER BASED UPON A STATUTE AND OUR OWN ORDINANCES.
ALL OF THAT BACKUP DOCUMENT WAS SENT TO ALL OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, SO IT SEEMS TO BE ALL IN ORDER.
W W W WHERE IS THAT ON THE AGENDA? UM, IT IS ITEM 11.
YES, BUT THE THIRD BEING PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET.
ONE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MASK PASTE AND ALL THE PEOPLE, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF A PRESS RELEASE AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
YOU KNOW, YOU STATED VERY ELOQUENTLY THAT WE, UH, WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ISSUES, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF EMAILS FLOATING AROUND AND PERHAPS A, UH, SOME KIND OF A PRESS RELEASE OF WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO MIGHT MAKE, MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
WE CAN DO THAT AFTER THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL AMEND THE AGENDA.
WE'LL STATEWIDE, WE'RE AMENDING IT.
WE WILL THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MOVE TO GATHER THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH THE WORKSHOP.
WE WILL ADVERTISE THE WORKSHOP.
WE WILL ADVERTISE A NEW DATE, UM, FOR SOLELY TO TAKE THIS ONE SINGLE ITEM SO THAT IT IS NOT PART OF A BUSINESS MEETING WHERE WE DON'T DEVOTE THE REQUIRED TIME TO THIS AND GO FROM THERE.
SO EVERYBODY IS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE AGENDA AND ANY CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THE AGENDA.
SO WE'LL LIVE LOOK FOR, UM, SOMEONE TO AMEND THE AGENDA WHEN WE GET THERE FOR THOSE VARIOUS ITEMS. AND WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS THIS EVENING.
IF, IF THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE AGENDA, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL SEEING NONE? THEN I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.
I, I HAVE TWO, UM, TWO CONCERNS.
UH, THE FIRST WOULD BE THE, UH, THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS, UH, UM, UH, OPERATION, UH, UNDER THE NEW, UM, GUIDELINES OF, UM, UH, THREE DAYS WEEKLY.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, TWO VISITS PER WEEK FOR ALL THE CONSTITUENTS.
I'M, I'M RECEIVING A LOT OF, UM, UH, CALLS AND COMMENTS AS TO, UH, THE TWO VISITS, UH, WEEKLY BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR ALL THE OTHER, UH, PUBLIC, UM, AND, UH, THE CONCERNS, ALL THAT, WHERE WE HAVE THE SENTENCE OPEN FOR THREE DAYS, BUT THE CITIZENS ONLY BEING ALLOWED TO, UH, VISITED TO THOSE CONVENIENCE CENTERS TO TWO TIMES A WEEK.
AND THEY FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VISIT, UM, THE SENATE ON EACH DAY THAT IS OPEN.
AND THAT WOULD BE THREE DAYS A WEEK, RATHER THAN UNLIMITED IN LIMITING THE PUBLIC TO TWO DAYS PER WEEK.
THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO, UM, BRING BACK TO, UM,
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A COMMITTEE, UH, LEVEL FOUR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION.WE'LL UM, WE'LL PASS THAT INFORMATION ON.
UH, THEN, UH, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR A DISCUSSION OF AN EMPLOYEE REGULATED BY A PUBLIC BODY PURSUANT TO SECTION 30 DASH FOUR DASH 70 A ONE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. RODMAN MAKES THE MOTION.
AND HE COMMENTS, I'M CURIOUS, MS. CHAIRMAN, WHICH EMPLOYEE IS IT? UM, UNDER OUR SOUTH CAROLINA LAW, IT WAS TOLD TO ME THAT UNDER ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE IDENTITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY BEING DISCUSSED IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE DISCLOSED, TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION HAS BEEN STATED.
UH, YOU WILL GET THAT INFORMATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO IT HAS BEEN DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
ARE THERE ANY EXCEPTIONS OR OBJECTIONS SEEING NONE? WE WILL BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT FIVE OH SEVEN.
WHEN WE COME OUT, THERE MAY BE MATTERS ARISING OUT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'LL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN WE COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, SARAH, WILL YOU LET US KNOW? YEAH.
EMAILS AND STUFF THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT W WE GET A NUMBER OF THESE THAT ARE FROM THE NON-US SOURCES.
AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTING OR POSTING ANYTHING THAT COMES TO US AND AN ANONYMOUS NATURE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR RULES ARE AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK, BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME, WE SHOULDN'T BE TRADING IN ANONYMOUS MESSAGES.
UM, WE, WE DO HAVE SPECIFIC RULES THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED, UH, AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, ANY FURTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE GO TO ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, MR. GLOVER, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
UM, LET ME JUST ASK A QUESTION.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, IF ARE HERE TODAY ON THE MASK.
UM, SO DO WE NEED TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN, IT WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH IT LATER, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HEAR THE COMMENTS.
UH, THERE, THERE WILL BE A TIME ON THE AGENDA WHERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS US.
WE'RE STILL ON THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE, JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
I'M RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS, FOLKS WHO CAN'T, WHO SAY THAT THE ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM OR THE, UH, CONVENIENCE CENTER DECALS IS NOT WORKING AND HAS NOT BEEN WORKING.
SO I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT SAY IT IS WORKING.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD SUCCESS AND SOME HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET ON IT MYSELF, BUT I HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE TO DO IT.
BUT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEBODY, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON AS FAR AS COUNCIL IS CONCERNED ABOUT WHO WE CAN CALL AND TALK TO ABOUT THIS, THIS SYSTEM, BECAUSE AS IT MOVES FORWARD, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS, A LOT OF ISSUES THAT COME UP, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GLITCH ON THE ONLINE REGISTRATION, AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF WAY TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND DEAL WITH THOSE PROBLEMS. IT'S, IT'S JUST A PROBLEM.
THAT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY DAY.
SO, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
I TALKED TO CINDY ABOUT THE SYSTEM.
UH, IT IS RELATIVELY EASY TO GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
THE PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM IS, WELL, WHEN I DID, IT WAS RELATIVELY EASY.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HIT SUBMIT, YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING AFTER THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT IS AN EMAIL GOES TO HER OFFICE, TO SOMEONE IN HER OFFICE.
THERE ARE NOW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR DECALS.
SHE IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE DENSIFYING TO ENSURE THAT IN FACT,
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THE PERSON WHO IS SENT THE EMAIL IS A VALID RESIDENT OF BUFORD COUNTY.THAT PERSON WILL THEN GET AN EMAIL SENT TO THEM.
AND IF THEY DO IT ON THEIR PHONE, THEY WILL HAVE THE DECAL ON THEIR PHONE.
AND A PHYSICAL DECAL IS ALSO GOING TO BE SENT TO THE PROPERTY.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE I DID IT.
SO YEAH, THERE MAY STILL BE SOME GLITCHES.
MR. HERBISON AND YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST AND THEN MS. HALL.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, TO MR. SOMERVILLE'S POINT, I AM GETTING SOME EMAILS AS WELL, BUT THE DECAL SYSTEM, PROBABLY NOT AS, AS MANY AS, UH, SOME OTHER FOLKS, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE HAD LIKE AN EMAIL TEMPLATE, AS FAR AS THESE ARE THE INSTRUCTIONS TO GO GET YOURSELF A DECAL THAT WE COULD JUST PASS OUT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN THEY DO, UM, EMAIL US.
I THINK THAT THE, IF ADMINISTRATION COULD PUT THAT TOGETHER, THAT'D BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES WHERE I WOULD THEN DO IT, THAT AS POSTS THAT OUT ON MY, ON MY COUNCIL, FACEBOOK PAGE, AND THEN SHARE THAT WAY WITH MY CONSTITUENTS AS WELL, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, MY BASE ADMINISTRATION YOU'D HELP US WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, IT IS PRETTY EASY TO USE, BUT I NEVER GOT I'VE DONE IT.
AND SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS, THEY THEY'VE DONE IT AND SAID, IT'S EASY TO USE BY GOING TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE, BUT NEITHER THEM NOR MYSELF HAVE GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK.
AND ONE PERSON ACTUALLY GOT BACK THAT SAID THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THEIR ADDRESS.
AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE ARE ALL GLITCHES, BUT WE'LL GET IT FIGURED OUT.
UM, CHRIS, AND WHAT I DID IS I WALKED THROUGH AND I WROTE DOWN EVERY SINGLE THING.
SO I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN POST A BIT THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE STEPS IN YOU'RE DONE.
BUT AS I SAID, ONCE YOU CLICK SUBMIT, YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
IT JUST SITS THERE AND YOU GET OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND YOU'RE SAYING, GEE, DID IT WORK? DIDN'T IT WORK? WHO DO I CALL? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THOSE STEPS.
WE ALSO ASKED ADMINISTRATION TO PUT UP JUST LIKE A THANK YOU OR A CONFIRMATION PAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AFTER TO YOUR POINT AFTER IT GETS SUBMITTED, YOU SEE THAT PAGE CONFIRMS THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED YOUR INFORMATION.
WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN DAWSON SAID, I TOO HAVE RECEIVED SOME CONCERNS.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO GET, THEY'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USED TO THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THIS.
UM, BUT NOW I'VE HAD SEVERAL SAY, UM, LIMITING ME TO ONLY TWO TIMES A WEEK IS PROBLEMATIC.
A COUPLE OF THEM HAD, UH, ONE HAD FOUR CHILDREN AND ONE HAD THREE CHILDREN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THEY ACCUMULATE, I CAN UNDERSTAND IS A, THEY GO WAY MORE THAN TWO TIMES A WEEK.
UH, ANOTHER FELLOW JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, IF I WANT TO GO TO THE DUMP, WHY CAN'T I GO TO THE DOME? SO I JUST WANT TO PASS IT ALONG.
UH, COUNCILMAN DAWSON'S CONCERNS.
UH, I ECHO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AS WE MOVE ON TO THIS, IT'S A LEARNING CURVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY GETTING THE DECAL AND SOME OF THE FLAWS IN THAT WE WILL FIND OUT ABOUT SOME OF THE FAMILIES WHO ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LARGE FAMILY NEED TO GO MORE THAN TWICE A WEEK.
SO I'M SURE I'M, EXCUSE ME, I'M SURE THAT ADMINISTRATION IS HEARING US ON THAT AND THEY WILL REFLECT ON THAT COUNCILMAN GLOVER.
UM, I, I REMEMBER, AND I THINK BRIAN CAN, CAN BEAR THIS OUT, UM, IN THE PUBLIC FACILITY COMMITTEE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR TWO VISITS PER WEEK.
AND WE SORT OF SAID, NO, UH, THIS ALLOW THE FOLKS TO CONTINUE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WENT THROUGH, BUT, UH, IT CAME BACK THAT WE WERE DOING IT TWO TIMES A WEEK.
AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'VE TOLD SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS, UM, DISCONTINUE TO TAKE IT THERE AND THEY WILL BE MONITORING YOU.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP YOU FROM COMING IN.
UM, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE, YOU GET A VISIT FROM THE, UM, THE OFFICER SAYING THAT YOU BEEN VISITING IT TOO OFTEN AND, AND, AND PROBABLY WANT TO KNOW WHY, UH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND YOU CAN PROBABLY DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, I THINK LIMITED IT TO TWO.
AND I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, IN COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT SOMEHOW THE STAFF HAS GOTTEN IT BACK INTO JUST TWO.
IF I'M, IF I MIGHT SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE, I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, GLOVER
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A YORK LEVER, AND THAT EXACTLY WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION.AND, AND I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THE SAME THING THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO CALL THE POLICE ON YOU.
IF YOU SHOW UP THAT THIRD OR FOURTH TIME DURING ANY PARTICULAR WEEK, UM, YOU MIGHT AGAIN GET A VISIT FROM OUR LITTER CONTROL OFFICERS, BUT THEY WON'T BE, THEY WON'T BE CARRYING A GUN.
AND THEY'LL JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR SITUATION IS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION TO YOU.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE DETAILS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE THAT YES, YOU WILL, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET ONE DECAL PER HOUSEHOLD AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE HOUSEHOLD COULD JUST USE A SMARTPHONE AND, AND HAVE THE DECAL, UM, PUT ON THE SMARTPHONE AS WELL.
BUT IF THE, IF YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION DOESN'T ALLOW YOU THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TWO CARS, BUT NO SMARTPHONES, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A CALL.
WE'LL FIND AN ACCOMMODATION FOR YOU.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT DIFFICULT FOR, UM, YOUR GLOVER OR, OR, UM, OR ALICE HOWARD TO MAKE A PHONE CALL TO THE, UM, THE, THE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT TO GET AN EXTRA DECAL OR A FAMILY.
I DON'T THINK I DON'T LIKE HOLY HELL IS GOING TO RAIN DOWN ON US FOR MAKING THAT PHONE CALL.
AND I THINK IT'S AN ACCOMMODATION.
WE AS A COUNTY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE FOR OUR CITIZENS AS THEY NEED IT.
BUT BY, BY FAR, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL BE, IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR THEM TO HAVE ONE DECAL PER CAR, OUR OF FAMILY, AND THEN ONE ELECTRONIC ONE, AND TWO VISITS TO THE, UM, TO THE CENTER.
AND IN ANY PARTICULAR WEEK, I THINK THAT'LL BE FINE FOR ALMOST EVERYBODY.
AND SO LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PLAY THIS BY EAR AND SEE, SEE WHERE THE PROBLEMS COME UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FAMILY GOING THREE TIMES A WEEK BECAUSE IT'S OPEN THREE TIMES A WEEK BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT TRASH WILL, TRASH IS DIFFERENT THAN C AND D AND OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL AT THE RECYCLING CENTER.
SO MAYBE WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT THE TWO TIMES YOU'RE LIMITING WOULD BE C AND D I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, TO YOUR POINT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED AS FAR AS C AND D IS CONCERNED, BUT I WILL TELL ALL OF US ON CONSOLE, UM, AS OF JANUARY ONE, THE DECAL SYSTEM GOES INTO EFFECT.
AND IF WE DON'T CORRECT US STATE THESE THIS PROBLEM NOW, AND IF WE DON'T CORRECT THE SITUATION NOW, AS OF JANUARY ONE, WHEN THEY, UM, UH, FOLKS START GOING TO THE CONVENIENCE CENTER, MORE THAN TWICE A WEEK, OUR, UM, OFFICES, THAT WAY THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO HIRE, TO CONTROL THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION.
SO TO TELL OUR FOLKS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING, THEY DON'T HAVE A GUN AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ARREST YOU OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HIRED THEM FOR.
WE HIRED THEM TO CONTROL THIS AND, AND, UH, AND IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE, UH, THE LIMITATION FROM TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK, THEN WE KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM NOW.
AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO, UH, GET WORSE AFTER THE DECAL SYSTEM GOES INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY ONE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOW, OTHER COMMENTS.
UM, UH, SARAH, ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THE CAUCUS AGENDA? OKAY.
THEN WE WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AND WE WILL PICK UP THE REGULAR COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THIS MEETING AND SIGN BACK IN FOR THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO WE'LL SEE EVERYONE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
IT IS 6:00 PM ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 26TH.
THIS IS THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING OF THE BUFORD COUNTY COUNCIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AS I, UH, CALL YOUR NAME.
WOULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT YOU ARE PRESENT? COUNCILMAN COVERT, COUNCILMAN DAWSON HERE.
COUNCILMAN FLO WELLINGTON HERE.
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COUNCILWOMAN HOWARD HERE.COUNCILMAN LAWSON, COUNCILMAN MCALDIN, COUNCILMAN RODMAN HERE, COUNCILMAN SOUTHERN VILLE AND CHAIR PASSMAN.
WE ALL ARE PRESENT ALL 11 MEMBERS, THEREFORE WE'RE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.
PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
AND I WILL NOW TURN TO COUNCILMAN, UH, LARRY MCKELLAN, WHO WILL LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND AN INVOCATION.
WOULD YOU ALL RISE PLEASE? AND ANYONE OTHER THAN MR. MCMULLEN, WOULD YOU ALL PUT YOURSELF ON MUTE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THAT COME THROUGH? IS I OFF MUTE? SORRY.
WOULD YOU PLEASE DO IT AGAIN? SO YOU COULD DO THE INVOCATION.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THAT TIME.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY AND ABUNDANT BLESSINGS.
WE THANK YOU FOR LIFE ITSELF AND FOR THE MEASURE OF HEALTH, GIVEN US TO FULFILL OUR DUTIES, WE THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED IN USEFUL WORK.
AND FOR THE HONOR OF BEARING SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITY, I ASK THAT WE AS A BODY PROMOTE PEACE ORDER AND JUSTICE, AND THAT YOU GRACIOUSLY GRANT THIS ASSEMBLED BODY OF THE WISDOM OF GOVERN MID TO CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND ISSUES OF OUR TIMES WHO HAVE A SENSE OF THE TRUE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS, WHO HAVE A KEEN THIRST FOR JUSTICE TO UNDERSTAND, AND TO CLEARLY SEE WHAT IS GOOD FITTING AND APPROPRIATE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY, EVEN WHEN THERE IS HONEST DISAGREEMENT AND TO HAVE PERSONAL PEACE IN OUR LIVES AND JOY IN OUR TASK.
FINALLY, PLEASE HELP US TO ENSURE OUR DELIBERATIONS HERE TONIGHT, BENEFIT THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN R AND D COMMUNITY AND YOUR NAME WE PRAY.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
AND I WOULD ASK FOR A MEMBER OF COUNCIL TO AMEND THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWS IN ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE REMOVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 28TH, 20, 20 MINUTES.
UH, THOSE WERE NOT ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED WHEN THE AGENDA WAS SENT OUT.
WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE EARLIER TODAY AND THEREFORE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES.
THEY WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, UH, IN DISCUSSION AT THE CAUCUS UNDER ACTION ITEM, NUMBER NINE, TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER NINE AND MOVE THAT TO, UM, A MATTER TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL NOVEMBER 9TH OF 2020.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT, UH, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, WE RECEIVED AN AMENDED, UM, NOISE ORDINANCE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THIS WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY COUNTY COUNCIL.
IT WILL BE, UH, REVIEWED BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT ALL ITEMS WITHIN THAT AGENDA ITEM ARE CORRECT BEFORE IT IS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND ANY ACTION ITEM, NUMBER 10 WILL BE REMOVED AS DISCUSSED IN THE, THE CAUCUS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL NOVEMBER THE 16TH.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE KNOW THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY VOLATILE ISSUE.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SET UP THE FOLLOWING.
WE'RE GOING TO INSTITUTE A WORKSHOP MEETING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXPERTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
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GIVE INFORMATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL AS IT MOVES FORWARD IN PREPARING A, UM, AN ORDINANCE, A MASK ORDINANCE.UH, SECOND OF ALL, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE LEGAL LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE, REFERRING TO CHURCHES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE A PUBLIC BUILDING THAT CAN BE REGULATED BY A MASS ORDINANCE.
AND THIRD, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING, SUCH AS A MEETING OF THIS.
AND WE HAVE LIMITED TIME TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
THAT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE UNFAIR TO EVERYBODY.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, WE WILL AMEND THAT ITEM.
WE'RE GOING TO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, HAVE A DIFFERENT WORDING FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
WHEN WE DISCUSS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, THE VARIOUS CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEES WILL ADDRESS WHY THOSE ITEMS ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. HERVIS, SEAN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, INDICATING THAT IT HAS TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE WILL BE REWORDED AS THE SECOND READING.
IT SAYS FIRST READING, BUT IT SHOULD BE REWORDED AS THE SECOND READING.
AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WILL BE REMOVED BECAUSE THAT ITEM DID NOT COME OUT OF, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER IMAGE MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK APPROPRIATE TO DETAIL THE LANGUAGE REGARDING THAT? I FORGOT WHAT THE NUMBER IS ALREADY, BUT, UH, YES, THE FIELD LIEU IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT IT WILL STATE THAT IT IS FIRST READING AND ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTIONS REGARDING THE FEE IN LIEU OF PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE PROJECT BURGER PROJECT GARDEN AND PROJECT GLASS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
SO COULD THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE JEFF SUGGESTED? YEP.
UH, MR. RODMAN HAD HIS HAND UP, I BELIEVE HE WANTS TO MAKE A FURTHER JUST MOVE ITEM, NUMBER 11 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT TWO 78 INDEPENDENT REVIEW OR A DISCRETION AND ACTION.
THAT WILL BE MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IT WILL NOW BECOME ITEM NUMBER 19 IN THE ACTION ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, YES.
MR. HARVEY SHINE, TWO THINGS, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IT NEEDS TO SAY, UH, MULTIPLE ORDINANCES AND INDUCEMENT RESOLUTIONS CLARIFY THE WORDING THERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS WE SHOULD PROBABLY CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE STREAMING RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT PERSONALLY STREAMING.
AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ALIVE, I'M GETTING TEXT MESSAGES THAT WE ARE NOT LIVE ON FACEBOOK RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME VERY HATEFUL OF NOXIOUS EMAILS, UH, CALLING NAMES OUT TO SPECIFIC COUNCIL PEOPLE, WHICH IS HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
IT IS NOT IN OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THAT FACEBOOK IS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WHEREBY THE PUBLIC GETS TO PUT INPUT IN ON WHAT WE ARE DOING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT STREAMING RIGHT NOW IN FACEBOOK.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO STREAM MEETINGS ON FACEBOOK.
WE DID STREAM THE TWO EARLIER MEETINGS.
BUT THERE, THERE WEREN'T ANY VIRAL COMMENTS.
NOW THERE ARE VIRAL COMMENTS, SPECIFICALLY, UM, NOTING SPECIFIC COUNCIL PEOPLE.
WE ARE GOING TO GO TO A FORMAT, MR. MCKELLEN, TO CLARIFY, UH, IN MOVING SOME OF THESE ITEMS OFF THE AGENDA AND ADJUSTING THE AGENDA THAT WILL NOT AFFECT THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF OUR MEETING ON THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE MOVED TO A QQ DATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANT IT TO BE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO WAS LISTENING AND WAS SEEKING AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, RIGHT? YEP.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
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MR. FLUE WELLING MADE THE MOTION DULY MADE, UH, MR. RODMAN MADE THE SECOND FOR THOSE CHANGES.DO I NEED TO REPEAT ANY OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE AGENDA BEING AMENDED, SEEING NONE THEN WITHOUT OBJECTIONS, THE AGENDA IS AMENDED.
I WILL NOW SEEK THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS AMENDED AND I HAVE SUCH A MOTION.
SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MCKELLEN MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED SECOND.
MR. DAWSON MAKES THE SECOND DULY MOTIONED AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED.
ARE THERE ANY ITEMS OF DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? THIS WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? THE AGENDA IS NOW APPROVED AS AMENDED.
WHO WAS THAT? LET ME IN THE MEETING PLEASE.
MY HOME COMPUTER FINALLY CAME UP.
UH, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2020.
MY, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 14.
MR. GLOVER MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THE MOTION MS. HOWARD MAKES THE SECOND, UM, ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION, THE MINUTES WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS STATED.
BEFORE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE SOMETHING FIRST.
I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT WE WELCOME CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR PORTIONS OF THIS MEETING OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES STATE THAT WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT DURING OUR MEETINGS, THEREFORE IN DOING SO COUNCIL AS ESTABLISH THE RULES AS TO HOW WE RECEIVE INPUT FROM CITIZENS, THEY STATE ANY PERSON DESIRING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC COMMENT MAY DO SO BY SUBMITTING A REQUEST TO BE HEARD TO THE CLERK OF COUNCIL PRIOR TO, OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, THOSE ARE OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.
CIVIC, CITIZEN COMMENT PORTIONS OF OUR MEETING ARE ESTABLISHED TO ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK TO ADDRESS COUNCIL AND SHALL LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES AND OBSERVED THE FOLLOWING PROTOCOLS.
THEY ARE TO ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND TO SPEAK AVOIDING DISRESPECT TO COUNCIL OR ANYBODY ON COUNCIL.
THEY ARE TO CONFINE THEMSELVES TO QUESTIONS UNDER JURISDICTION OF THE COUNCIL.
THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION THAT WE CANNOT HANDLE.
IF YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND TOWN COUNCIL, THEY'RE NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE SHOULD REMIND YOU THAT YOU SHOULD BE MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT AND OTHERS WHO MAY BE WATCHING ON TELEVISION.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL INTO THIS MEETING TO MAKE A COMMENT YOU MAY DO.
SO AS FOLLOWS, THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER AND SARAH WILL THAT BE PLACED UP ON THE SCREEN AS I READ IT, BROADCASTING IS CUTTING IT UP NOW.
SO IT WILL TURN UP AS A SHARE SCREEN, BUT THE PUBLIC WATCHING THIS, YES.
THE PHONE NUMBER IS +1 408-418-9388.
AND THEN YOU WILL USE AN ACCESS CODE.
IS THAT ALSO BEING SHOWN? OKAY.
THE ACCESS CODE IS (173) 814-0552.
NOW WE HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMMENTS IN WRITING.
WE WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME THIS EVENING TO READ EVERY ONE OF THOSE COMMENTS.
WHEN WE HAVE THOSE COMMENTS, THEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE, THEY CONTAIN YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS,
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YOUR COMMENT, AND CONTACT INFORMATION.AND IF ANY COUNCIL PERSON WISHES TO CONTACT YOU, THEY WILL BE FREE TO DO SO.
SO IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS COUNCIL AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
HOW, HOW DO WE BRING THEM? I'LL ADMIT THEM.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE.
AND SINCE THIS IS NEW, I'M GOING TO TRY AND ALLOW SOME EXTRA TIME SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT.
THIS IS ALMOST LIKE WHAT WE USED TO DO WHEN WE WERE IN-PERSON PEOPLE WOULD SIGN UP AHEAD OF TIME OR AT THE COUNCIL MEETING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
THE FIRST PERSON IS ON CHAIRMAN.
WELL THE FIRST PERSON PLEASE ANNOUNCE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS.
ARE THEY ON? I DON'T HEAR THEM.
AND THEN THE LAST NUMBER IS THE LAST TWO NUMBERS.
BUT YOU HAVE THREE, THREE MINUTES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
BRAD FROWN ZERO THREE MAIN STREET VILLAGE HILTON, HEAD TWO NINE NINE TWO SIX.
THAT IT WAS ADVISED TO COME TO THE CALL.
YOUR, YOUR COMMENT TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
TOBIN TO ATTEND THIS CALL AND SO I FINISHED MY PATIENT LOAD AND I GOT ON THE CALL.
UM, DOCTOR AND WHO ELSE? WHO ELSE WAS ON THE PHONE? WE DON'T KNOW.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE TAKING THEM ONE AT A TIME.
CAN YOU GIVE YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR SPECIALTY, SIR? CHIROPRACTOR.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
THE NEXT PERSON, CAN YOU MOVE HIM TO THE LOBBY? THE NEXT PRESENTER THERE ON CHAIRMAN.
AND THE LAST NUMBER IS FIVE, THREE.
LAST NUMBERS ARE FIVE, THREE, PLEASE ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M I? THE NEXT PRESENTER? YES.
UM, I HEARD NOTHING BUT ELEVATOR MUSIC PRIOR TO THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OF, BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THAT.
UM, I'M UNLIKELY TO BIOLOGIST FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH VIRUSES AND IMMUNOLOGY AND, UM, BASICALLY PROTECTION AGAINST A VIRAL DISEASE FOR MY ENTIRE CAREER.
AND I LIVE HERE ON OPEN THAT ISLAND.
SO I KNOW THE UTILITY OF MASKS AND THE TYPE OF TECHNICIAN FOR P THREE AND P FOUR.
UM, VIRAL PARTICLES ARE 0.1 MICRONS IN SIZE MASKS, PORES AND HOLES ARE ON THE ORDER OF OVER A HUNDRED MICRONS, WHICH IS ABOUT A THOUSAND FOLD DIFFERENCE.
UH, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO STOP MOSQUITOES WITH A PICKET FENCE.
AND THERE BASICALLY IS NO UTILITY FOR VIRAL PROTECTION WITH SURGICAL MASKS OR ANY TYPE OF CLOTH OR A FIBER-BASED MASK.
BASICALLY THESE MASKS ARE BASICALLY BYLAW TO BE LABELED BY THE FDA.
THE FDA REQUIRES THAT ANY BOX OF THESE MASKS BE LABELED ARE NOT INDICATED FOR USE AS PROTECTION AGAINST VIRUSES.
SO THERE'S NO VALUE AND NO UTILITY OF WEARING A MASK TO PROTECT ONESELF FROM VIRUSES.
UH, YOU WEAR MASKS AND LABORATORIES AND IN THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO PROTECT OTHER PATIENTS FROM BACTERIAL INFECTION AND OTHER TYPES
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OF, OF DISEASES THAT CAN BE, UH, UH, SPREAD BY PEOPLE.BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH VIRUSES, EVEN, EVEN IN THE SURGICAL SUITE, DOCTORS ARE WITH GOWN DIFFERENTLY.
IF THEY HAD A VIRAL ISSUE THAN THEY WOULD WITH ANY OTHER TYPE OF SURGERY SURGERY, WHERE THEY WEAR NORMAL MASKS.
SO BASICALLY, UH, IT IS COMPLETELY PREPOSTEROUS AND, UH, FICTITIOUS TO THINK THAT THESE MASKS, THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKING AROUND AROUND ME, ON THE STREET WITH OF ANY VALUE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, EVEN FOR SNEEZING AND COUGHING AND SPITTING AND DROPLET FORMATION DROPLETS WITH COLLECT ON THESE FIBER MASKS ON THESE FLOSS MASKS, YOU BUILD UP SEVERAL TYPES OF DROPLETS THEY'D FINALLY DRY, AND YOU WOULD PUFF OUT A CONCENTRATED, MORE CONCENTRATED CLOUD OF VIRAL PARTICLES THAN YOU ORIGINALLY HAD WITH YOUR INITIALS IS SO ALSO I NOTICED PEOPLE IN KROGER'S AS YOU WALKED BY, THEY PULL DOWN THEIR MASK, COUGH OR SNEEZE AND PUT THE MASK BACK ON AGAIN.
SO EXPECTING PEOPLE TO BE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL THAT YOU IMAGINED THEY'RE FOLLOWING IS ONCE AGAIN, UM, FALLACIOUS.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S REALLY VALUE SCIENTIFICALLY AND WEARING MASKS TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM VIRUSES.
THERE'S NO VALUE IN THIS PANDEMIC.
HISTORICALLY, I'VE ALSO RESEARCHED IN MY COLLEGE DAYS, UH, THE SPANISH FLU, THE SPANISH FLU, THEY IDENTIFIED, UH, TOWNS THAT WERE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING MASS AND CERTAIN, UH, UH, PROTECTIONS TO THEIR POPULATION AND TOWNS, WHICH WERE LESS, UH, WELL ENDOWED AND COULD NOT AFFORD MASKS FOR THEIR POPULATION.
EACH TOWN HAD THE SAME LEVEL OF INFECTION RATE, THE SAME LEVEL OF DEATHS RATE, WHETHER THEY WERE HEAVILY MAX MAX UP OR NOT USING MASKS AT ALL.
SO THERE BASICALLY HAS BEEN STATISTICALLY NO VALUE AND USING MASS ALSO I'M IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, ANTHONY FOWCHEE SAID, AND I COULD QUOTE, HE SAID, BASICALLY THERE WAS NO REASON FOR AMERICANS TO BE WALKING AROUND ON THE STREET, WEARING MASKS, MASKS UP NEW VALUE AND PROTECTING PEOPLE AGAINST VIRUSES, EXCEPT THAT IT MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD, BUT FUNCTIONALLY, THEY DO NOT HELP.
IN FACT, THERE MAY BE MORE PROBLEMS, UH, TO THE MASK WIRE, UH, AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, ISSUES THEN THAN WE'RE AWARE OF AT THIS TIME TO THE USER OF MASKS.
SO THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO PRESENT.
I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE PRESENTED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN INTO, UH, YOUR PROGRAM.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SHOW YOUR MEETING IF YOU WILL, SIR, IF YOU WILL SUPPLY, SUPPLY YOUR NAME AND YOUR NUMBER AS A CONTACT SO THAT WHEN WE DO A WORKSHOP ON THIS, WHERE WE PRESENT BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, YOU WOULD BE ONE THAT WE WOULD CALL ON.
I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT ON THE FORM THAT I SENT IN FOR THIS, UM, PRIOR TO BEING CONNECTED TO YOU.
UM, I HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.
IF YOU, IF YOU'VE DONE THAT ON THE FORM, WE HAVE YOUR INFORMATION.
WE APPRECIATE THAT NEXT PERSON.
IS THAT THE NUMBER ENDING IN 64? OKAY.
IF YOU WILL ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME CLEARLY? I CAN HEAR YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M LOCATED IN PORT, UH, EXACT ADDRESS, NOT NECESSARY.
I'M, UH, ESSENTIALLY HERE TO READ OFF, UH, I'M THE INVESTIGATOR.
WHO'S LOOKING INTO EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DIRECTLY.
UM, AND I HAVE AN EMAIL THAT I WANTED TO READ OFF.
MAYBE, UH, MAYBE YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE SENDING AN EMAIL TO ANOTHER SOCCER MOM, BUT I'LL JUST READ IT ALOUD.
THE PERMANENT MASK ORDINANCE IS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, BUT IT WILL BE REMOVED THAT'S FOR THE COUNTY MATH COORDINATES.
I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO SOFTEN IT.
UNLIKE HILTON AND OTHER MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES.
THERE'S BEEN NO CRIMINAL PENALTIES AND NO REQUIREMENTS TO WEAR THE MASK OUTDOORS.
IT'S MORE OF A SUGGESTION THAN A REQUIREMENT AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT QUOTE UNQUOTE SCIENCE.
IT IS ABOUT HYSTERIA CREATED BY A 24 SEVEN DRUM BEAT BY THE NATIONAL MEDIA THAT WAS WRITTEN BY PAUL SOMERVILLE.
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THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE EVERYONE DESERVES TO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE LYING TO US.NOW, THE PUBLIC IT'S ALREADY GONE VIRAL.
WHAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HIDE IT AND DO A THANKSGIVING MANDATE TO WHERE YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SNEAK IT IN WHILE EVERYBODY'S ON VACATION, NOT HAPPENING.
I'M FOLLOWING YOU EACH INDIVIDUALLY.
DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE KEPT YOUR MASK ON AND ALL OF THE SITUATIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DEEM THAT WE HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.
I PROMISE YOU, YOU HAVEN'T SO UNDERSTAND WE'RE WATCHING AND WE ARE GOING TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE FORWARD AS IS THE REST OF AMERICA.
NEXT PERSON, SERVICE CHAIRMAN.
WHO AM I SPEAKING WITH? I'M SORRY.
THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE BACKGROUND.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MUTE IT I'LL I CAN.
I'M TRYING TO CALL IN WITH A COMMENT.
MY NAME IS REBECCA BATH AND I RESIDE AT 36 RIGHTS POINT CIRCLE AND BE FREE.
AND YOUR COMMENTS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I HAVE TWO COMMENTS ON TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO THE FIRST I DON'T BELIEVE HAS BEEN JUST, JUST WHAT'S HAPPENED TO TURN OFF ANYTHING YOU'VE GOT IN THE BACKGROUND.
I GUESS I HAVE TO MUTE YOUR MEETING.
HOW'S THAT? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES, PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 36 RIGHTPOINT POINT CIRCLE IN BUFORD, AND THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSPIRING WITH REGARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
AND LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON.
UM, THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH OUR, UH, OUTGOING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ASHLEY JACOBS.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, REMINDED THE CALLERS, INCLUDING, UH, THE, MYSELF AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO BE RESPECTFUL IN OUR COMMENTS, WHICH I ALWAYS ENDEAVORED TO BE, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS PERFORMING THEIR JOB WITH RESPECT FOR US AS TAXPAYERS AND CITIZENS OF OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY.
I AM COMPLETELY DISGUSTED AND DISHEARTENED, FRANKLY, THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, SEEMS TO HAVE GANGED UP ON ASHLEY JACOBS AND FORCED HER TO RESIGN WITH NO EXPLANATION TO THE PUBLIC, ALL OF THIS, HAVING TO BE DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
AND IT'S THE OPINION OF MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS THAT I KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT SHE HAS BEEN A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL, LEADING THE COUNTY WITH TRANSPARENCY AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE TRUE THAT, UM, WHEN SHE COMPLAINED THAT THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL WAS DOING AN END RUN AROUND HER AND INTERFERING WITH HER OPERATIONAL DUTIES, THAT FROM THAT MOMENT ON, SHE WAS ESSENTIALLY DEAD IN THE JOB AND THEY JUST FINISHED HER OFF IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, AND THAT IS WHAT QUALITY ADMINISTRATOR IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CONSIDER COMING TO BUFORD COUNTY IN THE FUTURE AFTER THIS INCREDIBLE SHOW OF BULLYING, BY WHAT APPEAR TO BE A BUNCH OF GOOD OLD BOYS.
AND I AM JUST DISHEARTENED AND DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR, AND REALLY THINK THAT YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS SOUL-SEARCHING THAT, THAT HOW YOU TREATED ASHLEY JACOBS.
THE SECOND COMMENT I HAVE IS ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, PENDING MASK ORDINANCE.
UH, MY BACKGROUND IS AS AN ATTORNEY AND I WANT TO BUILD ON THE COMMENTS OF THE CALLER BEFORE ME.
WHO'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY WELL-INFORMED AND SMART PHYSICIAN.
MY COMMENT HAS TO DO BEYOND THE FACT OF WHETHER THEY MISMATCH WORK OR NOT.
UH, IT SEEMS THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE TIED TO THE GOVERNOR'S DECLARATION OF A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN OUR STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND IT IS RATHER OUTRAGEOUS TO ME THAT WHEN, WHEN THE MAJORITY, UH, REQUIRED MAJORITY OF EIGHT VOTES WAS NOT ABLE TO BE ACHIEVED TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION OF A MASS COORDINANCE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
SOMEHOW YOU ALL FOUND A LOOPHOLE TO TRY AND PUSH THROUGH THIS MASK ORDINANCE EXTENSION, NOT TIED TO THE GOVERNOR STATE OF EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LOWER VOTE BY LOWER NUMBER OF MEMBERS.
AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO SUNSET PROVISION IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.
AND TO THE END, THE VIEW OF MANY OTHER CITIZENS THAT I AM TIED WITH THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, AND I IMPLORE YOU
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TO STOP THIS MADNESS AND NOT TO PASS THEM WITH MASS COORDINATES, AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT CHAIRMAN IN THE BACKGROUND, AND THEN ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME ADDRESS, PLEASE.UM, MY NAME IS VALLEY BUBECK I'M IN THE LEFT-HAND I'M CALLING CHAIRMAN.
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN HOW YOU'VE SHUT OUT YOUR CITIZENS FROM THIS SPEEDING.
I'M NOT POSTING IT ON FACEBOOK.
UM, PEOPLE OTHER THAN ME SHARING A LINK, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAY, WE HAVE HAD NO WAY OF GETTING ON TO LISTEN IN AND PARTICIPATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT, UM, I IMAGINE SOME LAWYERS WILL HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM BEING INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED, HOW YOU RUN YOUR MEETINGS AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND HOW YOU'VE TREATED ASHLEY, JACOB, AND ALSO NOW THIS MASK ISSUE AS WELL.
UM, I'M CALLING WITH SOME DATA.
SO OUR COUNTY'S ROUGHLY LOOKED AT THAT 192,000 TO 193,000.
AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE LOST 88 PEOPLE FROM COVID.
AND THIS ASSUMING THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT, UM, THIS NUMBER INCLUDES PEOPLE WHO DIED WITH IT, NOT NECESSARILY, I KNOW OF TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT ON THEIR DESK, AND IT'S NOT WHAT THEY DIED FROM.
IN THE MEANTIME, YOU ARE CONTINUING TO HARM OUR BUSINESSES FROM MARCH UNTIL JULY BUFORD COUNTY.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WAS $310 BILLION.
THAT WAS A HIT TO OUR HOSPITALITY, THE ECONOMIC LOSSES, THE JOB LOSS, THE DAMAGE WAS 10 TIMES THAT OF THE RECESSION OF 2008, ACCORDING TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THERE WAS A 50% JOB LOSS IN LODGING AND THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY AND RESTAURANTS, 50% OF THE PEOPLE WERE NOT WORKING.
CURRENTLY, 74% OF THOSE SURVEYED WE'VE HAD OVER A HUNDRED RESPONSES ARE SHOPPING LESS BECAUSE OF THE MASK MANDATE.
SO YOU'RE CONTINUING TO HURT OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR LOCAL ECONOMY BECAUSE OF A MASK MANDATE, WHICH IS SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 30 STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, THAT MASS CANNOT STOP RESPIRATORY VIRUSES.
THEY WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR THAT.
YOU HAD AMPLE MEDICAL EVIDENCE PROVIDED TO YOU, CHOOSE TO USE YOUR OWN OPINIONS, HER OWN FEAR.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY PUTTING EVERYBODY ELSE'S LIVES AT RISK.
YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR OWN LIFE AT RISK ARE A FALSE SECURITY ONE.
IF ANYBODY GETS SICK, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT THEM HAVING A FALSE SECURITY.
AND THE COUNTY IS NOW PUTTING THEMSELVES IN LEGAL JEOPARDY BY ENFORCING SOMETHING THAT CAN CAUSE MORE HARM.
IF YOU COULD GET THESE MEETINGS BACK ON FACEBOOK, ANYONE ELSE NEXT PERSON, PLEASE.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY PUTTING, PLEASE MUTE ANYTHING.
THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND NEW BELLA'S 11 MARSH, DR.
LEVY'S ISLAND THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
I HAD EMAILED EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL, AS WELL AS POSTED THROUGH THE WEBSITE.
MY COMMENT DEALING WITH CLEARANCE TO THE HIPAA ACT AND THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
I AM ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO CANNOT MEDICALLY WEAR A MASK.
AND YET I ENCOUNTER EVERY SINGLE DAY STORES THAT WILL BORROW MY PRESENCE AND PREVENT ME FROM USING THEIR FACILITIES.
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VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BORROWED ME AWARE OF THE HIPAA ACT AND AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT.YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME WITHOUT ACCESS TO SERVICES AND BUSINESSES.
I'M NOT A LITIGIOUS PERSON, BUT IF I CONTINUE TO FIND THROUGH THIS MANDATE, YOU HAVE THAT ON ITEM.
NUMBER 10 OF YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT HAS NO SEVERABILITY DATE OR TIME LIMIT.
I MAY BE MAKING A PHONE CALL TO MS. BASS AND SEEKING HER SERVICES AT OTHER INDIVIDUALS LIKE ME.
YOU LEAVE BUSINESSES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OPEN TO LAWSUITS, JUST LIKE THIS.
YOU PLACE THEIR BUSINESSES IN JEOPARDY BY DENYING US ACCESS YOU PLACE OUR HEALTH IN JEOPARDY BY DENYING ME SERVICES DO NOT PASS THIS ORDINANCE.
YOU HAD THE FIRST READING ONLY ONE WEEK AGO, AND I'M FINDING THAT IT'S AMAZING HOW FAST YOU HAVE MOVED ON THIS ONE ISSUE.
GO AHEAD, PLEASE MUTE ANYTHING.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
GO AHEAD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS LORI AND I LIVE IN BLUFFTON AND YOU KNOW, I CAN FIT AND I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, BUT I GUESS I WANT YOU TO INTERACT WITH ME A LITTLE BIT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND TELL US WHY.
ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS MEETING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO START AT SIX O'CLOCK IS NOT ON FACEBOOK ANYMORE.
I INDICATED THAT FACEBOOK IS A SOCIAL MEDIA AND THAT IT IN FACT HAD VERY DEROGATORY COMMENTS FOR SPECIFIC MEMBERS, WHICH IS INAPPROPRIATE, OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS, SPECIFICALLY STATE HOW WE INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT VENUE NEXT WEEK, OR NEXT TIME WE MEET, UH, TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC, TO VIEW WHAT WE ARE DOING.
SO WHO, WHERE WAS THE DEROGATORY COMMENT AND WHO WAS, WHO WAS, UH, BROUGHT OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT? ISN'T FOR US TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE.
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU.
I AM TO THE POINT THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN STOPPED BY A POLICE OFFICER IN MY LIFE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO LOCK ME UP, GO AHEAD, BECAUSE I WILL FIGHT FOR THIS.
I WILL FIGHT FOR MY KIDS, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS SITTING IN A CLASS EIGHT HOURS A DAY, NOT JUST MY DAUGHTER, BUT MY SON AS WELL.
THEY SIT IN SCHOOL TWICE A WEEK, EIGHT HOURS A DAY WITH A MASK ON THEIR FACE.
MY DAUGHTER BREAKING OUT IN RASHES.
THEY HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEENAGERS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LOCK ME UP, I'VE DONE WITH YOUR MASK ORDINANCE.
YOU CAN SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT I THINK IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE HIDING BEHIND YOUR SCREEN, YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN.
AND I WAS AT A MEETING, A RALLY YESTERDAY AND JERRY, WHO IS THE CLERK OF COURT.
JUST ANNOUNCED THAT EVERYBODY WHO GETS JURY DUTY IS EXPECTED TO SHOW UP BECAUSE THE COURTS OPEN.
IF I UNDERSTAND, IF THE COURTS ARE OPEN, THEN THEY'RE OPEN AND BUFORD COUNTY AS WELL.
SO THERE'S NO REASON THAT YOU'RE HIDING IN YOUR HOUSE AND YOU'RE NOT COMING OUT IN MEETING THE PUBLIC.
WE ARE OUTRAGED ABOUT THIS AND YOU WANT TO BE THE FIRST IN THE NATION TO PASS THIS KIND OF MANDATE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE CALLED YOUR PHONE TODAY.
AND THEY TOLD ME WHAT YOU HAD TOLD THEM, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND YOU SAY, OH, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE OR SHE AND ANOTHER FRIEND BROUGHT UP $130, MILLION DOLLAR LOSS TO HILTON HEAD.
AND YOU SAID WE ALREADY MADE UP THAT MONEY.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE LITTLE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING OUT OF BUSINESS? HOW DID YOU GUYS MAKE UP THAT MONEY? CAN YOU TELL US NO COMMENT? OKAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR PETITIONS AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN COURT.
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THERE'S ONE ON NOW.YOU MAY HAVE TO PROMPT THEM TO SAY THEIR NAME.
WELL, THE PERSON ONLINE, PLEASE SAY THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, DOLORES PRINGLE PENN CENTER.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING, UM, PENN CENTER.
UH, MR. MARIANNE BURNS IS HAVING A MEDICAL PROCEDURE DONE AND COULDN'T BE WITH US TODAY.
SO, UM, UM, I'M REPRESENTING PENN CENTER BECAUSE THIS IS THE THIRD READING OF, UM, UH, REGARDING, UM, OUR PRESERVATION PROJECT.
AND IN CASE ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PENN CENTER PROJECT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WISH TO MAKE, WE'LL BE GLAD TO HEAR THEM.
UH, NO, I'M JUST HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME.
YOU'LL BE ONLINE DURING THE MEETING.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO YOU, MR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW MORE COMMENTS.
WE'VE NOW, NOW TWO MORE IN THE THREE COMMENTS.
WILL YOU, UH, ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? LOBO BLUFFTON COUNCIL NUMBERS FRIDAY, OCTOBER TRUSTED THAT THE FOLKS POINTED TO REPRESENT OUR INTERESTS DID.
HOWEVER, THE MASK MANDATES STRIKES ME AS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE A MANDATE, BUT IT SHOULD BE CHOICE FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS.
SO NOW I TUNE IN AT THE LAST MEETING, THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER TOUTED HIMSELF AS A DOCTOR WITH IN-DEPTH EXPERIENCE IN THE COVID FIELD AND INSIGHTFUL KNOWLEDGE OF MASS.
AND NEEDS NOT LICENSED IN SOUTH CAROLINA, AND HE'S NEVER PRACTICED MEDICINE AND SOUTH CAROLINA BASED ON HIS ONLINE CREDENTIALS.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT HE'S EVER BEEN A PRACTICING PHYSICIAN.
HIS CAREER HAS BEEN ON THE ADMIN SIDE, FOCUSED ON MEDICAL DEVICES AND PATENTS.
HE'S CURRENTLY A RADIO COMMENTATOR FOR W G AND BUFORD AS THE MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT REGARDING COVID-19.
SO WILL HIS JOB BE OVER WHEN THE COVID 19 HYSTERIA? AND I THINK THAT MAKES HIS MOTIVATION CLEAR STAGING A COVID 19 RADIO COMMENTATOR TO CALL IN UNDER THE GUISE OF A PRACTICING DOCTOR AND PRESENT A SCRIPTED NARRATIVE TO FURTHER CHAIRMAN PASSING MONTH AGENDAS, TO C4 AND FRAUDULENT AS MUCH.
SO AS PUTTING THIS PERMANENT MANDATE DIRECTLY ON THE AGENDA.
AND INSTEAD OF IN COMMITTEE FIRST, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF PROCEDURES AND IT'S A FRAUD ON THE TAXPAYERS AND BUFORD COUNTY, HONESTLY, ALL OF THIS THINGS WORSE THAN OPERATION JACKPOT.
IT SEEMS THAT I AM BEING RECONNECTED.
THIS IS ERIC LAWSON, MOLECULAR BIOLOGISTS FROM UC BERKELEY.
UM, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PAST PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ME OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ADD? OKAY.
I THINK THE LAST THING YOU SAID WAS, UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING ON A WORKSHOP.
I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE I HUNG, BEFORE I WAS PUT ON HOLD AGAIN.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UH, HELPING YOU GUYS OUT WITH A WORKSHOP AND EXPLAINING ANY BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY FORM, MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MY NUMBER THERE, (617) 386-9953.
AND MY EMAIL IS LAWSON'S TWO@YAHOO.COM, WHICH IS LAWSON L A W S O M
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W O.YES, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE YOUR INFORMATION.
PLEASE INFORM ME IF YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP UPCOMING, I'D BE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING.
UM, AND OUR FINAL COMMON, GO AHEAD.
YOU'RE ON PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, CHRIS RUFFNER, HILTON, HEAD ISLAND.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE WITH THE PREVIOUS LADY HAD SAID WITH THE HEALTH CONDITION, I ALSO HAVE THE HEALTH CONDITION AND THE, UM, THE REASONING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR HAVING US ALL WEAR MASKS ARE TO PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE ASTHMA AND OTHER CONDITIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR US TO BREATHE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF WE DID CONTACT COVID, IT WOULD NOT GO WELL FOR US, BUT WE CANNOT WEAR THE MASK.
AND WE'RE THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING ATTACKED.
EVEN IF WE HAVE WE'RE TO THE POINT NOW WHERE THEY SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IF WE HAVE AN EXEMPTION, WE STILL CAN'T ENTER.
SO WE ARE BEING DENIED SERVICES.
AND, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE FACING LAWSUITS OVER THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT SUPPOSEDLY EVERYONE'S PROTECTING AND WE'RE THE ONES BEING DENIED SERVICES AND NOT ABLE TO GO OUT.
AND WE ARE FINE WITH EVERYBODY.
IF YOU WANT TO WEAR A MASK, YOU CAN, THERE'S MASKS OUT THERE THAT PROTECT JUST YOU PLEASE WEAR THOSE.
THE REST OF US WOULD LIKE TO LIVE LIFE.
AND YOU, UM, COUNTY PEOPLE AND THE TOWNS, YOU ALL ARE IN YOUR HOMES AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO WORK.
AND WE CAN'T ENTER THE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, WHICH BY THE WAY, WE'RE PAYING TAXES ON.
AND SOMEHOW THE PEOPLE AT THE GROCERY STORES AND TARGET AND HOME DEPOT AND THE NURSES AND THE POLICE, THEY ARE ALL ABLE TO GO OUT AND DO THEIR JOBS.
AND YOU PEOPLE, IF WE'RE IN AN EMERGENCY, LIKE YOU SAY, WHERE WE ARE, THEN YOU NEED TO GET TO WORK AND GET TO YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS SO THAT WE CAN COME AND SEE YOU AND TALK TO YOU.
AND, UM, OTHERWISE I WOULD SAY YOU'RE NOT ESSENTIAL WORKERS AND WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED YOU BECAUSE JUST SITTING IN YOUR HOMES, YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THAT HAS TO BE OUT THERE FIGHTING LIKE THE REST OF US, UM, WEARING A MASK, YOU CAN STAY HOME AND STILL GET PAID, HAVE A GOOD OLD TIME, BUT THE REST OF US HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK WITH A MASK ALL DAY.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST DETERMINE THAT THE NUMBERS DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR CONTINUING MANDATES AND ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS NO END IN SIGHT, PUT ME ON MUTE.
WE WILL END THE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE BUSINESS AGENDA.
THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE DELAY ON IN COMMITTEE REPORTS.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE CAUCUS SECTION, THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ITEMS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES.
SO WE WILL HAVE THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS. SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, COUNCILMAN HARVEY, SEAN, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT A BARKING DOG BEHIND ME.
FIRST ITEM, THE FIRST READING OF THE BUFORD COUNTY BUSINESS LICENSE TAX STANDARDIZATION ORDINANCE.
THIS IS BASICALLY PUTTING US, UM, YOU KNOW, ON PAR WITH WHAT THE STATE DID RECENTLY.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A SPECIAL SOURCE REVENUE CREDIT AGREEMENT BY AND AMONG YOU FOR COUNTY AND PROJECT STONE, PROVIDING FOR THE ISSUANCE OF SPECIAL SOURCE REVENUE CREDITS AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED.
THERE ARE TWO ITEMS. NUMBER THREE AND FOUR ARE ALSO RELATED, ALTHOUGH NOT THE SAME, UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE OR IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S SEVERAL ORDINANCES TO AUTHORIZE AND APPROVE THE MULTI COUNTY PARTNER AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND JASPER COUNTY THAT'S PROJECT STONE, GARDEN, GLASS, AND BURGER TO REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OF A FEE IN LIEU OF AGUILAR TAXES BY BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES LOCATED
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IN THE PARK SUPPLIES, ZONING, AND OTHER LAWS OF THE PARKS PROVIDE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT JURISDICTION IN THE PARK AND PROVIDE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF PARK REVENUES WITHIN JASPER COUNTY.THEN FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS SEVERAL ORDINANCES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS WORDING RIGHT HERE.
UM, MULTIPLE ORDINANCE ORDINANCES AND INDUCEMENT RESOLUTIONS REGARDING FIELD LIEU OF, UH, PROPERTY TAXES FOR A PROJECT BURGER PROJECT, GARDEN, PROJECT GLASS.
THERE IS SOMEONE ON ENDING IN SEVEN EIGHT THAT WE CAN HEAR IN THE BACKGROUND.
WILL YOU PLEASE MUTE? THANK YOU.
UH, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE COUNCIL, COUNCILWOMAN HOWARD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND B FOR AT COUNTY NUMBER 2020 SLASH 12 PROJECT, UH, TO REFLECT THE APPROPRIATE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR PURCHASING REAL PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE PORT ROYAL BATTLEFIELD.
THIS IS A DELTA OF $12,500 THAT WAS ON IT NEEDED IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
THIS IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MARINE CORPS AIR STATION BUFORD, AND THEY CAN ONLY PUT IN UP TO 50%, WHICH LEFT US WITH A DELTA OF 12,500.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND RATING.
UH, THE FINAL GROUP IS FROM THE PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE AND THAT WILL BE COUNCILMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PREPARE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT APPLICATION OR DETOUR DETOUR ROAD, SIDEWALK, EXTENSION PROJECT.
BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HELP US BUILD THE SIDEWALK ON DETOUR ROAD OUT BY THE WHALE BRANCH HIGH SCHOOL.
THE SECOND THING, NUMBER SEVEN IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PURSUE CONDEMNATION FOR PORTIONS OF PARCELS DELINEATED IN THE AGENDA.
THEY ARE ALL OVER ON THE LADIES.
DIAL-IN AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAM'S POINT ROAD AND HIGHWAY 21.
AND THIS IS IN CONNECTION WITH OUR SALES TAX PROJECTS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC LOW ON LADY'S ISLAND.
AND WE HAVE TO CONDEMN THEM SOME FOR LEGAL REASONS AND SOME AS PART OF A, A GENERAL EFFORT TO SPEED THIS PROCESS ALONG.
THE NEXT THING IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
UM, THAT'S REGARDING MAXINE LANE.
IT DID NOT SURVIVE OUT OF COMMITTEE.
THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A PETITION FOR A COUNTY, UH, PORTION OF ADDINGS POINT ROAD TO BE RECLASSIFIED AS A PRIVATE ROAD.
WE HAD ALL THE OWNERS ALONG THIS, UM, WHAT USED TO BE A, OR WHAT IS NOW A PUBLIC PORTION OF EDDIE'S POINT ROAD.
ASK IF WE WOULD PLEASE TURN IT OVER TO THEM TO ACT AS A PRIVATE ROAD, NOBODY ELSE IS AFFECTED EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION.
AND SO WE THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE COUNTY SYSTEM.
THE NEXT THING IS A RESOLUTION TO COMMISSION TO SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHANGING OUR SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING COLLECTION POINTS, THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS, AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT WE WILL NEED TO UPGRADE OR, UM, UH, WE, WE HAVE TO, UM, GET TO MORE UNFORTUNATE OFFICERS, SPECIFICALLY JOHN MILLAGE, AND DIERDRE BROWN ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED AS FORCEMENT OFFICERS.
THE NEXT THING IS, UM, UH,
WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
I BELIEVE THIS WILL SURVIVE AS ITEM NUMBER 19 ON THE ACTION ITEMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER LIAISON OR COMMITTEE REPORTS FROM ANY OTHER COUNCIL PERSON? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE CONSENT TO GIANT AGENDA.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? THAT WAS AMENDED MR. CHAIRMAN, I SO MOVE, MS. HOWARD MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. RODMAN MAKES THE SECOND FOR APPROVAL.
IT HAS BEEN DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
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NO.THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 11, ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A THIRD READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OF THE 2021 PUBLIC ORDINANCE.
SO WE WILL TURN TO THE PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING THE THIRD READING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE 2021 BUDGET ORDINANCE? I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY REGARDING OUR ORDINANCE.
SINCE THERE IS NO PUBLIC CONDUCT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND SECOND FOR THE THIRD READING.
MAY I HAVE SUCH A MOTION PLEASE? YEAH.
MR. SUMMERVILLE MADE THE MOTION.
MR. GLOVER BILL MADE THE SECOND DISCUSSION, IF ANY? YES.
WELL, I'M SORRY, BECAUSE OF WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE PEOPLE.
SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO, OH, THANK YOU.
I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO EVERYBODY JUST AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE TAX NOTICES ARE PUBLIC AND ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR COLLECTION.
WHAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW IS THAT, UM, THOSE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT'VE ALREADY PAID WILL HAVE TO BE ISSUED THAT REFUND AND THE WHOLE RUN OF THE TAX NOTICES WILL HAVE TO BE REDUNDANT.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT ENTAILS, BUT, UM, BASICALLY JUST A REMINDER AND A REFRESHER THAT THE TAX MILLAGE LAST YEAR WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, LOWERS THAT RATE.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S, UH, POTENTIALLY A, UM, A VALID REORGANIZATION.
I'M NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION MYSELF.
UH, WE HAVE SO MUCH INTERFERENCE HERE, SIR.
UM, WHERE IS 83? WOULD YOU PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF OR SARAH? IF THEY CAN'T, WOULD YOU MOVE THEM TO THE LOBBY? I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER, SIR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, KAREN AND PASSMAN? I NEED, THIS IS TREASURE WALL.
I TAKE AT LEAST THE SECOND MEETING.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN WAS ALREADY RECEIVED.
LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL, PEOPLE THAT WOULD LEAD US TO GET INPUT FROM YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER IS INCORRECT, MR. RODMAN.
UM, I GUESS WE OUGHT TO CLARIFY, UM, THIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE, THE TAXES THAT PEOPLE OWE IS ONLINE, BUT THE TAX BILLS HAVE NOT GONE OUT.
AND IF WE PASS THIS THERE, THEN THE TAX BILLS WOULD HAVE TO BE REPRINTED AND SET OUT.
SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S CONFUSING TO ME, IT'S PROBABLY CONFUSING TO OTHERS.
AND MAYBE WE COULD GET THAT CLARIFIED AS TO WHERE WE ARE ON POSTING AND WHERE WE ARE ON ACTUALLY THE PHYSICAL TAX BILL.
UM, AT THIS TIME THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE THING FOR YOU TO ANSWER.
SO LIKE I FIRST BEGAN TO SAY, THIS IS, AS YOU SAID, THE THIRD RATING, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION.
SO I'D ENCOURAGE ALL THE VIEWERS TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
THE TAX BILLS ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR PAYMENT ONLINE.
NO ONE HAS PAID THE TAX BILLS BECAUSE COUNCIL AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION HAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED TIME TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER.
AS COUNCILMAN ALLEN POINTED OUT, HAD THE BILLS ACTUALLY BEEN SENT, YES, THIS WOULD BE A VERY COSTLY DISCUSSION, BUT IN COUNTY COUNCILS, STUDENT DECISION MAKING AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION THAT IS NOT OCCURRED.
SO I THINK THERE IS, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COST TO THE CITIZENS OF BEAVER COUNTY HEARING FROM THEIR
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ELECTED BODY TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOWER TAX RATE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL DECIDED, BUT PLEASE DO NOT MISINFORM THE PUBLIC.I SENT YOU A REPORT SHOWING HOW MANY PUBLIC HEALTH, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN, YEAH, MARIA, THE QUESTION WAS, HAVE THE, HAS ANYBODY PAID THEIR TAXES? THE ANSWER IS NO, NO ONE HAS PAID THEIR 2020 TAXES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR PAYMENTS.
AND IT CAUSES OUR OFFICE A GREAT DEAL OF PHONE VOLUME, WHICH I SHARE EVERY WEEK WHEN THIS INFORMATION IS INCORRECTLY SHARED.
NO COST HAS BEEN INFERRED WHATSOEVER.
THERE IS TIME TO CORRECT WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE MR. GLOVER.
UH, BRIAN MADE A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THE MILLAGE IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR TAX YEAR.
UM, THE 6.5 65 POINT SOMETHING, UM, MEALS.
UM, AM, AM I TO UNDERSTAND THAT TO MEAN THAT ALSO THAT, UM, WE COLLECTED MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO LAST YEAR AND THEY GOTTA BE YOUR SURPLUS IN OUR RESERVE BECAUSE WE COLLECTED MORE.
THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE 4.8 WILL BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO BY STATE LAW AND COUNTY ORDINANCE TO MEET THE DEMANDS FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AND THEN MR. CHAIRMAN, MY QUESTION IS THAT WE COLLECT 5.8 LAST YEAR.
SO WE COLLECTED MORE THAN WE ACTUALLY NEEDED EVEN LAST YEAR.
WELL, UH, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND I COULD BE CORRECTED IF I AM WRONG BACK IN 2018 IS WHEN WE PASSED THE, UM, REFERENDUM TO ALLOW FOR A $25 MILLION BOND FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.
WE CREATED A BUDGET FOR 2019 THAT SEEMINGLY INDICATED THAT WE WERE IN FACT GOING TO SELL THOSE BONDS IN 2019.
AND THEREFORE THE BUDGET WAS STRUCK TO HAVE 5.5 DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES.
NO MONEY WAS NEEDED TO, UM, UH, NO SALE WAS TAKEN PLACE IN 2019.
THE SALE FOR THOSE BONDS DID NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL 2020 AIR GO THE 5.5 MORE THAN COVERED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS NEEDED TO PAY OFF THE BONDS THAT WERE SCHEDULED TO BE PAID OFF.
AND THERE IS A COMPLETE LISTING OF THE BONDS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S NEEDED TO PAY THOSE BONDS DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHY THE 4.8 IS WHAT WILL ALLOW US TO HANDLE.
SO YEAH, IN ESSENCE, WE DID COLLECT SOME EXTRA DOLLARS THAT WE DID NOT NEED THAT ROLLED OVER AND WE'RE OKAY FOR THE COMING YEAR.
OKAY, MR. COVERT, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, YOU'RE STILL ON MUTE MIKE, ACTUALLY.
YEAH, JUST TO, TO YOUR QUESTION, THE FUN BATTLE, HER WHAT THAT NOISE IS FUN BALANCE FOR THE RURAL AND CRITICAL AND AT THE END OF THAT 4 MILLION, BECAUSE WE COLLECTED MONEY IN FYI THAT WE COLLECT A LOT OF MONEY AND CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS TO YOUR STATEMENT.
YOU'RE ON MUTE, JOE, GO AHEAD, MR. BECKER, THANK YOU.
YOU HAD INDICATED THAT THE BOND DID NOT SELL, BUT YOU HAD ALREADY INCLUDED THE MILLAGE FOR IT.
SO YOU ACTUALLY COLLECTED THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WITHOUT ACTUALLY SELLING THE BOND.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU TO SAY? NO.
WHAT I GET TO SAY WAS IN 2018,
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THE REFERENDUM PASSED.IT WAS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE BONDS WERE GOING TO SELL IN 2019.
AND THE MILLAGE WAS STRUCK TO INDICATE WHAT THE PAYMENT MIGHT'VE BEEN.
IF THOSE BONDS WERE SOLD IN 2019, THEY WERE NOT THEREFORE ADDITIONAL PORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS SENT TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO, SO THAT WAS AN OVERCHARGE TO THE CITIZENS BY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
NOW, NOBODY HAS, SEEMS TO ADDRESS, UH, THE FREEMIUM THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR HAD AS WELL.
AND THE ALLOCATION IS ANY THAT SHOULD GO WITH THAT.
BUT SOME COUNSELING EMAIL TODAY, GOING OVER SOME OF THOSE DETAILS WITH REGARDS TO THE MONEY AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE OCTOBER 12TH MEETING MADE A PRESENTATION AND ACTUALLY STATED THAT THE 4.8 WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO PAY THE BOND AND EMBEDDEDNESS FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.
I SENT THAT EMAIL TODAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND BECAUSE IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE BOND INDEBTEDNESS, THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT BE ON ITS FACE, CORRECT.
BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE CHARGING TO RIDDLE.
IN FACT, THE ATTACHMENT THAT I PROVIDED, WHICH IS NUMBER TWO, THE SECOND ONE TITLED SCAN NUMBER TWO, YEAH.
SHOWS THAT THE ORIGINAL 4.8 MILLAGE OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD CREATE A SHORTFALL OF SOME $605,000.
THE MIDDLE CALCULATIONS THAT SHOW THE BREAKEVEN.
SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE, MOVING THE TOTAL MILLAGE FROM 65.2 TO 65.2, YOU WILL BE AN ESSENCE PUTTING THE DEATH MILLAGE FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SUE THE AUDIT OFFICE.
AND YOU WOULD ALSO NOT BE LOVING SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY BOND COUNSEL.
NOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT IN EACH OF THESE THREE EXAMPLES OF THE SECOND ATTACHMENT, WHEN YOU DIVIDE THE MILLAGE, BY THE EXPECTATION OF THE REVENUES, YOU COME UP WITH THREE DIFFERENT VALUES OF A MILL.
NOW THEY'RE SMALL, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT VALUE OF A MILL SHOULD NEVER CHANGE.
AND KEEP IN MIND WHEN THE BUDGET BOOK WAS PRESENTED BACK IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH, THE 4.8 MILS, I'M FINE.
AND THE VALUE OF A MILL BACK IN MARCH THAT WAS USED BY THE COUNTY CFO IN THOSE PRESENTATIONS WAS 2 MILLION, 116,000 AND SOME ODD DOLLARS.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMPUTATIONS FROM THE FINANCE AND CFO DEPARTMENTS OF THE COUNTY CAN USE FOR DIFFERENT VALUES OF THE NEW, KNOWING THAT IF THEY GO WITH 4.8 NILS, THEY WILL NOT GENERATE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF REVENUES TO PAY THE BOND INDEBTEDNESS.
I'D ALSO ATTACHED AS ITEM NUMBER ONE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION.
IT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES WHAT THE ROLE OF COUNTY COUNSELORS.
AND IT SAYS THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY IS NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE ANY ACTION.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY A POINT THAT COUNCILMAN COVERT BROUGHT UP FOR A COUPLE, THREE MONTHS AGO.
AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT TO GO FURTHER INTO THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION.
IT SAYS THAT THE AUDITOR HAS THE DUTY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE, AND TO CALCULATE THE SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OR THE TIMELY PAYMENT, BUT THEN HE SCHEDULED BOND DEBT, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE DONE.
AND IN THE CALCULATIONS, IF YOU GO TO ATTACHMENT THREE, WHICH IS AN EMAIL THAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND BOND TINK, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT THOSE TAX BILLS WERE COMPLETED
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ON SEPTEMBER 29TH.SO COUNTY COUNCIL AND COUNTY FINANCE AND CATHERINE ADMINISTRATION FELL DOWN ON THEIR JOB AND DID NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS TO THE AUDITOR ABOUT THE INCREASE OF ONE MILL FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS.
NOW ADD, THERE'VE BEEN THAT DISCUSSION OR HAD THERE BEEN INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED LIKE MR. COWAN AFTER JUST INDICATING CONCERNING THE OVER BILLING OF MILLAGE LAST YEAR FOR RURAL ONE CRITICAL LANES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY ADMINISTRATION, I SAID NO NOW IN THEIR JOBS AND FAIL TO COMMUNICATE WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, I WILL.
HOW, HOW COULD ANYBODY NOT KNOWING AT THE BOTTOM OF MY CURRENT EMAIL THAT I SENT TODAY ON OCTOBER 26, I GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR THE MEDICAL PROCESS IN DETERMINING WHAT THE MILLAGE WAS GOING TO BE SET AT FOR RURAL AND CRITICAL LANES.
YOU CAN, IT'S KIND OF OFF KILTER JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT INDICATES WHAT THE TOTAL DEBT PROVIDED BY FOND COUNCIL IS.
AND THEN I TOOK THE BUDGET BOOK, OTHER REP NEWS THAT WAS PROVIDED BACK IN FEBRUARY AND NEVER CHANGED.
AND I SUBTRACTED THOSE REVENUES.
THEN I WENT TO THE CAFFER THE MOST RECENT CAFFER IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED.
AND THE REVENUES IN THE SINKING FUND AT THAT TIME WERE A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THE OTHER REVENUES AND THE DEBT SINKING FUND, YOU COME UP WITH A TOTAL AMOUNT OF OBLIGATIONS FOR DEBT AT 11, LITTLE OVER $11 MILLION.
I DIVIDED THAT BY THE VALUE OF A MILL, AND THAT VALUE WAS DETERMINED BASED ON THE GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE AT THE JUNE 27TH THING IN 2019, IN WHICH THE SPOKESPERSON FROM S C D O STATED CLEARLY THAT THE AUDITOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LEVYING OF DEBT.
AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS THE BOOK FOR THE OPERATIONS IN DUBAI THAT 11 MILLION TIMES 1.1 MILLION $885,324.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE THAT ANY DIGIT, THE FIRST DIGIT IS DROPPED.
AND THAT'S WHY THE AUDITOR LEADED THE 5.8 MILS.
SO NOW 40 DAYS, MORE THAN 40 DAYS AFTER THE FACT THAT THE LEVEE THAT MILLAGE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW AND BASED ON THE AUTHORITIES ON THE AUDITOR COUNTY COUNCIL WANTS TO COME BACK AND CHANGE.
WELL, IF YOU CHANGE IT, YOU CHANGE IT TO THE 4.8.
YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SUFFICIENT REVENUE TO PAY THOSE BONDS.
AND SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT STATUTORILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM, THAT'S A DECISION THAT I HAVE MADE.
AND THAT THOSE 5.8 MILS NEEDS TO STAY ON THOSE TAX CUTS.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THOSE TAX BILLS.
SO THAT ON OCTOBER 1ST, WHEN THE AUDITOR ASSIGNED THE DUPLICATES IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, THE TREASURER WAS SO ORDERED TO COLLECT THOSE BILLINGS.
AND IN FACT, THERE WERE SOME BILLS THAT WERE PAID, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY SAVED RECEIPTS, BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONCE WE SAW THAT THEY WERE PAID, WE CAPTURED THEM IN THE SYSTEM.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CHANGED AND DONE AS OPPOSED TO BEING PAID AND MOVED INTO SOME TYPE OF SURPLUS.
SO THE AUDITOR HAS COMPLIANCE DATA IN 5.8 IS CORRECT
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BASED ON THE COMPUTATIONS THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU.AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS POINT, MR. COVERT, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S LET'S SWITCH GEARS AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY WILL ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND, UH, BECAUSE WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OR WHAT WAS TOLD, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT LAST YEAR THERE WAS AN OVERAGE IN WHAT THE CITIZENS PAID.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, BUT NOBODY HAD EVER INFORMED ME OF THAT.
KEEP IN MIND COUNSEL AT OVER 40 DAYS.
ONE, FOR ME, THAT'S FUN, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, IF ISN'T, IT ARE, ISN'T IT, OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT IF WE'VE COLLECTED TOO MUCH TAX THAT WE NOTIFY, OR DID WE NOTIFY THE CITIZENS THAT WE COLLECTED TOO MUCH TAX? UM, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER.
UM, I JUST KNOW FROM THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT TO US, IT SHOWED WHEN THE DEBT PAYMENTS WERE DUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 1920 AND WHAT THE INTEREST PAYMENTS WERE.
AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WAS NEEDED WAS 2.3, 5 MILLION.
BUT THE ACTUAL FUND BALANCE WAS 2.6, 7 MILLION.
SO WE HAD $325,000 EXCESS SURPLUS.
SO GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR, WE WOULD APPLY THAT AND WE WOULD NOT NEED TO COLLECT 5.8 MILLION OR 5.8 MILS, BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE THE NESTA AN EXTRA 1.9 MILLION MILLION.
SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS, ANYTIME THAT WE COLLECT MORE THAN WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD ALWAYS, WHOEVER, WHOEVER IS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH OF YOUR MONEY AND HERE'S WHAT THE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THE SECOND THING, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, RIGHT, WHEN WE VOTED, WE VOTED BASED ON, OR WE'VE WE AFFIRMED 4.8, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEN MY OPINION IS IF WE HAVE VOTED THAT WAY, WE HAVE TO STAND BEHIND HOW WE VOTE.
NOW, THE AUDITOR SAYS WE HAVE A SHORTFALL.
I DON'T KNOW, AFTER A WHILE IT'S A GLAZED DONUT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THERE IS, ARE WE NOT, UH, CAN SOMEWHERE ELSE PAY, PAY THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO COME FROM ONE PLACE BECAUSE I MEAN, WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND WHAT WE DID.
THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, WE SHOULDN'T PENALIZE THEM.
THAT'S MY BAD, BUT CAN IT BE PAID SOMEWHERE ELSE? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE A CHANGE AND TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU DO IN BUSINESS.
WHEN YOU WRITE THE COUNCILMAN GILBERT, BECAUSE REMEMBER COUNTY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION HAD OVER 45 DAYS TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION AND EXPLANATIONS, BUT FAILED TO DO SO.
AND IT ONLY BECAME AN ISSUE AFTER THE TAX CUTS, THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN A SON, AND ONCE THEY'VE BEEN ASSIGNED, THEY ARE CORRECT.
AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, IF THERE IS TOO MUCH MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED OR HAS BEEN COLLECTED STATE LAW 1243 TO 85 FEET.
SO IT CAN BE CREDIT SHALL BE CREDITED BACK TO THE CITIZENS BY THE TREASURER.
THEN I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT HAPPENED WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANKS.
BUT MY ONLY POINT IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WRONG.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S WRONG.
WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND IT IN PAY OR OUT OF WHATEVER WE CAN BY MAKING A BUDGET CHANGE.
THAT IS, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S OUR FAULT.
I REALLY DON'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE TO FIX THIS MOVING FORWARD.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, W W WE RECEIVED FIVE, FAIRLY LARGE FILES FROM THE, OUR FINANCIAL STAFF AND I, AS I LOOKED THROUGH IT, IT SEEMED TO ME IT'S, IT'S QUITE SIMPLE.
IF YOU LOOK, AND YOU TOUCHED ON PART OF THIS FOR THE, THE TAX YEAR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IF WE GO WITH THE 4.8 AND
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YOU LOOK AT THE MILLAGES OVER THE YEARS, AND YOU LOOK AT THE EQUITY IN THE ACCOUNT, THEY ALL KIND OF BALANCE OUT IN A NICE TREND LINES.AND CLEARLY IF WE DO THE 5.8, THERE'S AN EXTRA 2 MILLION THAT SHOWS UP THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE OVER COLLECTING ON THE 5.8.
AND I THINK ON THE 4.8, THERE'S A SLIGHT, UH, DEFICIT AT 20 THE REQUIRED NUMBER AND THE ENDING BALANCE, THE ENDING BALANCE IS 2.4.
AND THE REQUIRED 2.6, UH THAT'S IN, IN, IN ROUNDING, IN, IN MY MIND.
NO, I THINK, I THINK THE 4.8 IS OKAY.
AND SO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A UNANIMOUS, I WILL CALL THE ROLE.
IT HAS BEEN DULY MOTIONED AND SECONDED, AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH MR. SOMERVILLE WHO MADE THE MOTION? I VOTE YES.
ON THE, UH, OR ON THE ORDINANCE.
WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 12, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CDC CODE, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION FIVE DOT SIX DOT 50 DOT E TWO TO ALLOW FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO BILLBOARDS, TO IMPROVE SAFETY STANDARDS DURING HURRICANES AND HIGH WIND EVENTS.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO IS GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS, SARAH? NO, SIR.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND FOR ITEM, NUMBER 12 AS DICTATED MR.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UH, YES.
MS. HOWARD, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST US.
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS WILL, UH, DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
I THINK IS, WILL PROLONG THE LIFE OF BILLBOARDS RATHER THAN, UH, AS IT WAS DESCRIBED.
SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT.
I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE AS I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THE BILLBOARD, THEY'RE ALL GRANDFATHERED, BUT ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE.
THE IDEA IS TO GET RID OF THEM.
AND ALL THIS DOES IS PROLONG THE LIFE.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? NO OTHER COMMENT.
WE BEGIN WITH MR. FLO WELLING.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN A REVERSE ORDER CAUSE MR. COVERT ALWAYS HAS TO VOTE FIRST.
MR. SUMMERVILLE, MR. RODMAN? YES.
UH, MR. COVERT, I, WE HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE, UM, MR. SOMERVILLE, YOU SAID NO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU HAVEN'T VOTED YET? I DON'T BELIEVE NO, I HAVEN'T.
AND WE WILL HAVE TWO NOS NINE.
THAT MOVES US TO ITEM NUMBER 13, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE BUFORD COUNTY DISTANCE LEARNING FUND AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED THERE TOO.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO IS GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ITEM?
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SARAH, DID YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND LOOK FOR A MOTION.
AND SECOND FOR ITEM NUMBER 13.
MR. MCKELLAN MAKES THE MOTION.
MR. SOMERVILLE MAKES THE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION? THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? THIS ITEM IS SUCCESSFUL.
ITEM NUMBER 14, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE BUFORD COUNTY AIRPORT, AWR HANGAR GROUND LEASE AGREEMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TO THIS? THANK YOU.
THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION AND SECOND, PLEASE, FOR THIS ITEM.
SO MR.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION? THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SAYING NO.
ITEM NUMBER A 15, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING ACCOMMODATIONS TAX SLASH HOSPITALITY TAX RESERVE FUND.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE? OKAY.
WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND SECOND FOR ITEM.
MR. MCKELLEN MAKES THE MOTION.
THAT WOULD BE MR. DAWSON MAKING THIS SECOND.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS AND NOTICING NO COMMENTS.
THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS ITEM 15 PASSES ITEM 16, A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIRD READING TO AMEND ORDINANCE 2019 SLASH 56 PENN CENTER RENOVATIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I BELIEVE THE LADY THAT WAS ON EARLIER.
UM, DO YOU WISH TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T.
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS MANY TIMES.
THIS IS AN ADMIRABLE EVENT THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
THEN I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE, UM, ITEM.
I'LL SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. GLOVER MADE THE MOTION AND MR.
THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? THE, UM, ITEM IS PASSED AND WE THANK YOU FOR WAITING ALL THIS TIME TO HEAR THE GOOD NEWS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, APPENDIX B TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR A MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE D THREE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE D FEE FOR MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE VILLAGE CENTER IN THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR DISTRICTS ON DIPHUS SKI ISLAND.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COMMENT? NO, SIR.
I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FOR THIS.
OKAY, THEN WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION AND SECOND FOR ITEM.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.
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MR. GLOVER MAKES THE SECOND.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION? THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? ITEM NUMBER 17 IS PASSED.
ITEM NUMBER 18 IS THE RATIFICATION OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS SEVERANCE PACKAGE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MR. MCKELLAN MAKES THE MOTION.
YOU ARE THE SECOND DULY MOTION.
AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, NO DISCUSSION.
THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS WITH THE CHAIRMAN, MR. PERFECT SEAN, BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
YOU UNDERSTAND? UM, YEAH, THE QUESTION IS, IS ANYBODY ACTUALLY SEEING THIS DOCUMENT? UH, THE DOCUMENT HAS BEEN PREPARED BY OUR, UM, DEPARTMENT.
IT HAS GONE TO, UH, MS. JACOBS WHO HAS SIGNED OFF ON IT ONCE COUNTY COUNCIL, IN FACT, APPROVES THAT THAT WILL BE MADE PUBLIC.
AND I, UH, PERSONALLY JUST GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THIS AND, UM, KIND OF THE CLOUD OF SECRECY AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF HOW THESE THINGS HAVE GONE.
I, I CAN'T VOTE TO APPROVE THIS IF I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN AND OR READ THE DOCUMENT.
CAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE FIRST QUESTION, SEE WHAT WOULD BE, OH, WELL YOU VOTED FOR IT.
WHAT'S IT SAY? AND I WOULD SAY I KIND OF KNOW, BUT I DON'T.
UM, SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE WITHOUT HAVING BEEN PROVIDED THE DOCUMENT.
WELL, I WOULD SAY TO YOU, IF YOU REVIEWED THE AGENDA ITEM, SUMMARY ITEM, NUMBER 18, SPELLS IT OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE SEVERANCE PACKAGE WILL BE PART OF.
AND I, I GET THAT, BUT IS THAT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT? THAT'S THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL LANGUAGE THAT IS ALWAYS IN THESE ABOUT, UM, UM, THE PERSON WILL NOT SUE THE COUNTY.
WE WILL GIVE HER, UM, UH, UH, A RECOMMENDATION, UH, MR. TAYLOR, IF I MISSED ANYTHING, SHE'LL GET A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT OTHERWISE THE TERMS ARE EXACTLY AS STATED ON THE AIS AND THEY COME FROM HER EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT, WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED WHEN SHE WAS HIRED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I NEED TO CALL MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, I WAS.
SO WE ONLY GOT PART OF THE PACKAGE.
I MEAN, YOU SAID IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T SUE ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD, A GOOD WORD.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S ALL IT IS, WHY ISN'T THAT PART OF THIS? UM, CHRIS'S RIGHT.
PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS ALL ON, ON GETTING THAT, UH, WELL IT'S SPELLED OUT EXACTLY.
WHAT'S THERE, THERE IS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE ALWAYS DONE IN A SEVERANCE PACKAGE.
WHY IT HAS BEEN SIGNED BY MS. JACOBS.
ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, THAT DOCUMENT WILL BE RELEASED PUBLICLY AND TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE MAYBE MISSING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND A SEVERANCE PACKAGE.
AND I THINK THE SEVERANCE PACKAGE, THE DETAILS THAT YOU HAVE HERE ARE SUFFICIENT FOR OUR PURPOSES TO VOTE FOR A SEVERANCE PACKAGE, THAT WE THEN HAVE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
MICHAEL AND CHRIS, I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT A COPY OF IT, BUT WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR IS OUR PORTION OF THE SEVERANCE PACKAGE AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH LOADING AND THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK AS LONG AS THAT EXACT THING IS RELAYED, SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY CAN ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MS. JACOBS WOULDN'T WANT OUT THERE AND WE DON'T WANT OUT THERE.
UH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RELAYED.
THAT WAS WELL STATED, MR.
SO, UM, UH, CAN THIS BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION? I THINK SO.
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I SEE NO OBJECTIONS.THEREFORE ITEM NUMBER 18 HAS PASSED ITEM NUMBER 19 COMES FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION OF THE U S TWO 78 INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION SHOWS YOU WHAT JARED FRILUX HAS PUT TOGETHER, WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE AS PART OF THE TASK.
AND I SHOULD EMPHASIZE ON THE WORD, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
UM, I HAVE SPOKEN TO JARED ABOUT THE VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT ARE, ARE BEING, UH, NAMED OR THEIR NAMES ARE BEING TOSSED ABOUT.
UM, SO, UH, I WOULD SEEK A MOTION AND SECOND, AND WE CAN HAVE ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION YOU NEED ON THIS ITEM.
UH, SO MOVED MR. CHAIRMAN, MR.
MR. RODMAN MAKES THE SECOND, UM, ANY DISCUSSION, UM, IF I, IF I COULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I GUESS I'LL GO FIRST.
I SEE JARED IS ON THE LINE AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE TO JARED FRALEY, WHO IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
WHO'S SPEARHEADING THIS EVENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH, JARED, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SPECIFICALLY THE, UM, THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED BY SENATOR DAVIS HAVE BEEN RESPONDED TO EITHER IN THIS DOCUMENT OR YOU HAVE THE, UM, WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWER OR TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BECAUSE THAT IS ROCK FOUL FOR US.
WE NEED SENATOR DAVIS TO BE HAPPY SINCE HE'S PROVIDING, UH, THE LION'S SHARE OF THE MONEY.
HE'S BEEN HELPFUL IN PROVIDING THE LION'S SHARE OF THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT, IF HE, IF HE CAN GOOD TO GO.
UM, SO IT WAS PREPARED IN THE AGENDA, UM, IS, IS THE SAME DOCUMENT.
AND THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHICH WAS ALSO REQUESTED THAT, UH, SENATOR DAVIS COMMENTS BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THE, THE SCOPE, UM, UPDATED PRIOR TO THIS AGENDA PACKET.
UM, BUT SINCE THEN, SENATOR DAVIS HAS PROVIDED, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT AROUND.
AND WITH THOSE COMMENTS, HE ACTUALLY WAS ACTUALLY MORE SPECIFIC, UM, THAT I CAN TAKE THOSE COMMENTS AND PLUG THOSE DIRECTLY INTO THE SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT FITS INTO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT HERE TO NOW TODAY.
UM, SO I DO HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED FROM SENATOR DAVIS, UH, TO FULLY, UM, FINALIZE WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
JUST TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYBODY, UM, THE, THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS, UH, LIKE AN RFQ OR AN RFP, AND THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE APPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GIVING THE ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE AND CONTRACT FOR THESE AMOUNTS.
AND SO, SO THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WE NEED TO APPROVE TODAY, BUT I THINK THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE GIVES US A GENERAL OUTLINE AND THEN THE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO JARED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ADDITIONAL INQUIRY SUB-CENTER TO DAVIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR OUR PURPOSES.
YEAH, I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, I DID READ WHAT SENATOR DAVIS HAD PUT TOGETHER.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY, UH, COMPLICATE THE SCOPE IN ANY FORM AND, AND, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL THAT, UH, HIS SENATOR DAVIS, HIS COMMENTS BE INCORPORATED AS HE PROPOSED THEM.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT IS THERE, RIGHT.
THAT SIR, IF IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO, UM, CHAIRMAN, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND THE AGENDA ITEM TO INCLUDE THE COMMENTS FROM SENATOR DAVIS.
SO NOW WE WILL SPEAK TO THE AMENDMENT, MR. GLOVER.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT YOU AND I'M SEEING MR. COVERT AND I'M
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SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. MR. COVERT, RIGHT? I GOT YOU.UM, YEAH, I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
AS LONG AS MR. SENATOR DAVIS HAS COMMENTS ARE ADDED TO THE SCOPE.
UM, AND MR.
WELL, IT'S THE, WE ARE VOTING ON THIS DOMESTIC.
IS THERE THE TASKS, ARE THERE THE DELIVERABLES? ARE THERE ANY TWEAKING THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY JARED TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE COMMENTS FROM SENATOR DAVIS HAS BEEN PUT IN WILL BE DONE? UH, WE'RE GOING TO FINALIZE THE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN TO DO THEIR WORK.
I GUESS MY POINT MICHAEL WAS THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMENTS BY SENATOR DAVIS COULD BE FOLDED IN WITHOUT SERIOUSLY CHANGING THE SCOPE WORK OR REQUIRING MORE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.
YOU UNDERSTAND? I DON'T LIKE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT ON THE PREMISE THAT IT MAY BE ADDED LATER.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, QUESTION FOR JARED.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M 6000000% GOOD ON THIS.
UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE AMENDED AMENDMENT SOLVES THE PROBLEM, BUT WE GOT AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON FROM THE CONCERNED CITIZEN GROUP.
UM, THE SUBJECT MINING COMPLETE HDR CONTRACT DOES THIS AMENDMENT.
SO SENATOR DAVIS' COMMENTS BEING ADDED TO THE SCOPE, DOES THIS SATISFY ALL PARTIES INVOLVED HERE? OKAY.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR MARKUPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WERE EXCLUDED OR NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE, MR. RODMAN AGAIN? WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY TO CHRIS, THIS QUESTION, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, UH, A LONG EMAIL FROM, UH, UM, STEVEN BEAR.
AND I THINK HE ACTUALLY WAS TAKING EXCEPTION TO THE SCOPE OF WORK.
SO I STILL THINK THERE'S SOME OPEN ISSUES THERE FOR US THAT ARE NOT TOTALLY RESOLVED, BUT IT SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T STOP US FROM MOVING FORWARD.
WE CAN FIX WHAT WE NEED TO ON THE RUN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, BUT IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY INTERPRETATION OF THE EMAIL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I HAVEN'T BEEN AS FAR DOWN IN THE WEEDS AS SOME OTHERS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMENTS THAT WERE IN ARE BASICALLY COMPRISED IN TOM'S COMMENTS AND THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYTHING OUT HERE.
CHRIS, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WOULD BE MISSING THEM? I HAVE ONE OTHER THING AFTER WE DO THIS MOTION.
IF I COULD, IF WE GET THIS ONE WELL WITH WE'RE DOING THE AMENDMENT FIRST AND THEN THE MOTION, THE AMENDMENT IS TO INCLUDE THE COMMENTS FROM SENATOR DAVIS.
MR. RUDMAN MADE THE MOTION, MR. FULL WELLING MADE THE SECOND.
DO I NEED TO CALL A ROLL CALL OR CAN WE DO THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION? SURE.
I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY SAYING WE CAN'T DO THIS WITHOUT OBJECTION.
SO THIS WILL BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NONE WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH IS THE TWO 78 WITH NOW THE, UH, AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE COMMENTS FOR, UH, SENATOR DAVIS.
AND SECOND, MR. RODMAN, ANY COMMENT? YEAH, I JUST SAT IN A SECOND MOTION.
UH, W WE ACTUALLY AT COUNCIL SIX WEEKS AGO APPROVED A SCOPE OF WORK AND CERTAIN, UH, FOUR QUESTIONS, UM, OR THREE QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
AND, UH, UH, AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH COVERED IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, BUT RATHER THAN GO BACK AND CANCEL WHAT WE DID BEFORE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE THOSE THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY IN THE SCOPE OF WORK ALSO TO BE ANSWERED.
IS THERE A SECOND TO HIS AMENDMENT TO DO I'M UNCLEAR HELP ME.
WELL BASICALLY BRIAN, WE, WE, WE, UH, SIX WEEKS AGO, UH, APPROVED A, A SCOPE OF WORK, UH, THAT HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO THEM, UH, HEAVILY FOCUSED ON, DO WE HAVE
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ALL THE ALTERNATIVES IN, AND IS THERE ROOM FOR OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO BE CONSIDERED AND, UH, IS THE UNDERLYING TRAFFIC DEMAND, CORRECT.AND, AND THOSE ARE KIND OF COVERED TRANSIT, UH, SLIGHTLY IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, BUT THEY'RE BASIC QUESTIONS THAT COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING.
I DON'T THINK IT CREATES ANY ADDITIONAL WORK.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NORMALLY SHOULD BE DONE ANYWAY.
UH, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE US, UH, SINCE WE APPROVED THAT UNANIMOUSLY INCLUDE THAT IN THE SCOPE OF WORK, IT DOESN'T INCREASE.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST IF I MIGHT BEFORE I SECOND.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO SECOND THIS, BUT I NEED JARED TO ASSURE ME THAT THAT WON'T SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS OR CAUSE AN INCREASE IN THE COST.
IS THAT CORRECT? JARED, THAT'S GREAT.
AS COUNCILMAN RODMAN NOTED, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, INHERENT TO THE SCOPE THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED, SO THEY WILL ALL BE COVERED IN THIS REVIEW.
I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION PLEASE, WITHOUT OBJECTION.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT? WE'VE AMENDED IT ONCE.
THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I JUST WANT TO HEAR AGAIN FROM MR. FELIX, IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, LOOKING AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES, WE COULD REALLY BE OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS. UM, I MEAN, HOW FAR DO YOU GO AT LOOKING AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES? ARE YOU LOOKING AT JUST A CHANGE IN THE ROUTE A LITTLE BIT, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHOLE NEW ALTERNATIVES TO BE EVALUATED, RIGHT? NO, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.
SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE ALREADY EVALUATED AND LET GO BY DLT TO MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T A GO PRIOR TO, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT NEW ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE NOT DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
NO, THERE, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT SOME NEW ALTERNATIVES, UM, BEING A REVERSE LANE REVERSIBLE LANE, UM, OR THE TIE-IN LOCATION AS IT TIES INTO CROSS ON PARKWAY, WHICH EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS EXPLORED EARLY ON, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, AND WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC SOME MORE PUBLIC INPUT AS A RESULT OF THESE OTHER, THESE ALTERNATIVES.
WHAT WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THIS REVIEW WILL BE POSED TO DEITY AS PART OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE THESE, UM, FOR ACTION AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC, UM, PARTICIPATION AND FURTHER EVALUATE OR IF THIS IS SUFFICIENTLY COVERED.
UM, EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT? BRIAN? YOU'RE ON MUTE.
YOUR GLOVER HAS A COMMENT, MR. GLOVER.
UM, I, I HEAR WHAT STU IS ASKING FOR.
I THINK JERRY HAS ACTUALLY SAID THEY'RE ALL INCLUDED.
THE ALTERNATIVES ARE INCLUDED.
I THINK HE'S OPEN TO, UH, ACTIONS AND I DON'T WANT US TO, TO, TO BOG DOWN, UH, THIS PROCESS TO DELAY IT ANY, ANY LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE COULD ACTUALLY GET ALTERNATIVES AND ALTERNATIVES AND ALTERNATIVES ALL THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS IN IT THAT HE HAS TO LOOK AT IT.
AND TIME IS, IS REALLY OF THE ESSENCE RIGHT NOW TO GET SOMETHING CONCRETE.
AND HE'S SAID AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT HE WILL INCORPORATE WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, THE ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AT THIS TIME.
SO I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THIS, UH, AMENDMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? IT APPEARS THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO CALL THE ROLL ON THIS ONE.
WE WILL BEGIN WITH MR. RODMAN SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THOSE THREE SPECIFIC ITEMS. MR.
MR. MCKELLEN, MR. SUMMERVILLE.
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NOW THE CHAIR WILL SAY YES, IT IS EIGHT.NO, THE AMENDMENT CARRIES WE'RE.
NOW BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION WITH TWO AMENDMENTS NOW TO INCLUDE THE COMMENTS FROM THE SENATOR.
AND NOW THE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED BY COUNCILMAN RODMAN.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CALL THE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE APPROVING IS THE A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THAT'S IN THE THAT'S IN THE SCOPE OF WORK.
AND THAT'S A 50 50 SPLIT WITH THE TASK.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE 50, 50 SPLIT, THAT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION.
IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT.
WE'RE READY TO VOTE, MR. MCKELLEN.
I HAVE A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE APPROVING THE V THEN AGREED TO BY THE TOWN.
SO THEY HAVEN'T SIGNED ON YET.
UM, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BEEN SIGNED OFF AS YET.
I THINK THEY WERE WAITING FOR US TO TAKE THE FIRST ACTION.
UM, CALLING THE QUESTION, UM, SINCE I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE UNANIMOUS, UM, UNLESS I'M WRONG.
LOOK, WILL THIS BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION? OKAY.
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITHOUT OBJECTION.
I WILL CALL THE QUESTION WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS ITEM NUMBER 19 HAS NOW BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
UH, OUR FINAL ITEM BEFORE THE SECOND CITIZEN COMMENTS WILL BE ITEM NOW.
NUMBER 20 CONSIDERATION OF THE REEMPLOYMENT OF DAN
MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THEIR APPOINTMENTS, PLEASE? I HEARD MR.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.
MR. HARVEY, SEAN MAKES THE SECOND DULY MOTIONED AND SECOND, AND YOU DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION.
THEY WILL BE APPROVED WITHOUT OBJECTION.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SEEING NO OBJECTIONS? THEY ARE APPROVED? WE ARE NOW AT THE SECOND SET OF CITIZEN COMMENTS.
I WOULD ASK THAT ANY CITIZEN WHO WISHES TO COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, WE STILL HAVE THE NUMBER AND THE ACCESS CODE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
DO WE NOT SAY MR. CHAIRMAN? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? NO OBJECTIONS.
WE ARE EXTENDED PAST THE EIGHT O'CLOCK HOUR.
WE WILL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, 15 MINUTES OR THE COMMENTS WHO WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON.
SOME NUMBERS ADMITTED TO THE MEETING BEFORE I LOCKED IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE IF ANY OF THOSE.
WE'LL UM, WE'LL START WITH THEM.
WILL THE PERSON WHOSE, UH, PHONE NUMBER ENDS IN THREE FOUR, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOUR YES.
WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT? UM, I WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THIS MEETING BECAUSE IT WASN'T ABLE TO, UH, GET INTO COMMENT ABOUT THE MASK ORDINANCE.
UM, I JUST HAVE TO SAY IT IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TABLED THIS, ESPECIALLY NOW, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE TABLING IT EXPERTS ON THE MATTER DOCTORS AND LAWYERS.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ED EXPERTS ON THIS MATTER IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS MESS, WHAT WOULD YOU BASING ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS OFF OF I'M COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY.
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WE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST THIS MAT ORDINANCE HOLD YOU THE MAJORITY, NOT ALL OF YOU, BUT A GOOD MAJORITY OF YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MENTAL OR THE PHYSICAL HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE HOLD YOU 100% ACCOUNTABLE.WE HOLD YOU 100% ACCOUNTABLE FOR DIVIDING THIS COMMUNITY.
THE AMOUNT OF HATE, THE AMOUNT OF THREATS BETWEEN US IN THE COMMUNITY, OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, UM, OUR FIGHT IS NOT WITH EACH OTHER.
AND TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN SPOKEN TO THE EXPERT, UH, DOCTORS OR LAWYERS IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING AND DISHEARTENING.
WHAT WERE YOU BASING? ALL OF, ALL OF THESE ACTIONS ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL FEELINGS ON THE MATTER.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BY FAR DONE WITH THIS AT ALL.
WE WILL HEAD DOWN BARREL THROUGH.
WE WILL HUMBLE OURSELVES AND LISTEN TO EVERYBODY'S OPINION ON THE MATTER.
AND I DO NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU HAD DISCREDITED, THE PEOPLE WHO HAD DONE THE RESEARCH.
WE MAY NOT BE DOCTORS OR LAWYERS.
WE'RE PARENTS, WE'RE FRIENDS, WE'RE FAMILY.
AND ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS WASTED OURS.
THE PERSONS WHOSE PHONE NUMBER ENDS IN SEVEN EIGHT, WILL YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? HELLO.
I'M LISA LAKING FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
UM, GUYS, WE HAVE BEEN NAVIGATING THIS MASS MANDATE BUSINESS.
A LOT OF, UH, CITIZENS WHO DON'T SUPPORT IT HAVE BEEN BEING KIND OF COMPLACENT BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY BEING ENFORCED SO I CAN JUST GO ALONG TO GET ALONG AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, JUST BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE NOT TICKETING PEOPLE, IT IS BEING ENFORCED.
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO IT'S BEING ENFORCED ON MY DAUGHTER AT SCHOOL EVERY DAY, THE TEACHERS ENFORCE IT ON HER EMPLOYEES AT VARIOUS BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
THEIR EMPLOYERS ARE ENFORCING ON THEM FOR FEAR OF BEING SHUT DOWN AND FURTHER BEING HARMED BY WHAT'S ALREADY DEVASTATED THEM FROM THIS RIDICULOUS HYSTERIA.
IN OTHER WAYS, YOU GUYS HAVE LITERALLY WEAPONIZED CITIZENRY AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AND AS ADULTS, WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS.
I AM DONE WITH THIS WITH MY CHILDREN, THE HARM THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE CAUSING, BECAUSE IT'S YOUR MANDATE AND YOUR RULES THAT ARE CAUSING PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE THIS.
IF YOUR MANDATES, THAT ARE CAUSING TEACHERS TO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO MASK CHILDREN AND BUSINESSES, TO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO MASK THEIR EMPLOYEES, THOSE ARE IRREPARABLE, AND WE ARE, WE ARE DONE WITH IT.
IT IS SO DISTURBING THAT WE HAVE FOUND OURSELVES AT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE TREATING OUR CHILDREN AS THOUGH THEY ARE CONTAGIOUS JUST BY LIVING THEIR LIVES.
WE'RE LITERALLY MAKING THEM BELIEVE THAT BY BEING KIDS, PLAYING, BREATHING, AND LIVING THEIR LIFE BARE FACE, THAT THEY ARE A THREAT TO OTHER PEOPLE AND THAT THEY ARE SOMEHOW RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HEALTH OF ADULTS THAT IS EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE.
IT IS A BURDEN THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR CHILDREN IMMEDIATELY.
THE SCIENCE IS 100% BEHIND THE FACT THAT CHILDREN ARE AT VIRTUALLY NO RISK OF BEING SERIOUSLY ILL WITH THIS.
AND THEY ARE VIRTUALLY NO RISK OF BEING ANY TYPE OF SPIDER.
THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE SO AWESOME AND THEIR VIRAL LOAD IS SO LOW THAT THEY ARE NOT FREDERICK.
YOU'RE DESTROYING THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM BY ALLOWING THEM TO WEAR MASKS ALL DAY, THAT ACCUMULATE MOISTURE AND BACTERIA.
AND THEN THEY REBREATHE THAT THEY ARE GETTING IMPETIGO ON THEIR FACES.
THEY ARE GETTING FUNGAL INFECTIONS IN THEIR MOUTH.
THEY ARE GETTING RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE NORMAL ORAL AND NASAL BACTERIA THAT ACCUMULATE AND OVERGROW, AND THEN YOU REBREATHE IT.
AND YOU END UP WITH BACTERIAL PNEUMONIA, WHICH IS DEADLY.
YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO STOP THIS.
I, AGAIN, THE ADULTS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ADVOCATES FOR OUR CHILDREN.
AND WE PARENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE DONE.
YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS YOU'RE TAKEN AND THE DIRTY WAY THAT YOU HAVE DONE IT BY THE NORMAL SYSTEMS AND PROCESSES.
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EMAILING AND HOPING YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION ARE OVER.UH, WHO WOULD BE NEXT? I TALKED TO THE WHOLE TIME.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES.
ANYBODY ELSE? NUMBER ENDING IN 83 AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ENDING IN NINE THREE.
WELL, THE PERSON WHOSE PHONE NUMBER ENGINE EIGHT, THREE, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? MY NAME IS CHERRY NORRIS.
I CANNOT EMPHASIZE MORE THAN WHAT I'VE JUST HEARD FROM CITIZEN DANNY AND CITIZEN.
WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A 99.6% RECOVERY RATE FOR THIS VIRUS.
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SIX ELDERLY DEATHS ON HILTON HEAD.
WE KNOW THAT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF MASS HAS INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT IT IS.
THIS IS TOTALLY ABOUT POLITICS, POWER, EVIL VERSUS GOOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
OR EITHER JUST BLIND, STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE.
YOU HAVE FACTS, BUT YOUR FACTS ARE A DIFFERENT NARRATIVE THAN OUR FACTS.
AND WE HAVE DONE OUR HOMEWORK AND WE ARE DONE WITH THIS ORDERLINESS.
AND LISA WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THAT IS EVEN THOUGH, AND PROBABLY THE POLICE WILL BE NOTIFIED NOW THAT WE'RE POINTING IT OUT, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN TICKETED AND TAKEN TO JAIL YET, BUT BUSINESSES ARE ENFORCING THIS.
IT IS TURNING CITIZENS AGAINST CITIZENS.
THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES ON THE PLANET TO LIVE.
WE ARE SO BLESSED WITH GORGEOUS BEACHES, BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSES, SAFE, A TOURIST DESTINATION, A NICE FRIENDLY PLACE THAT HAS TURNED SO DIVISIVE THAT WE CAN'T EVEN LOOK AT EACH OTHER IN THE EYE.
WE'RE GETTING SO SICK WITH THESE DIAPERS ON OUR FACES AND 90 DEGREE WEATHERS, OLD PEOPLE WEARING A MASK, YOUNG CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN.
I JUST WANT TO CRY EVERY TIME.
WHEN I SEE SOMEONE IN THE BEACH WITH THEIR BIKINI ON AND A MASK TO THIS POINT, WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, SARAH, WHO IS NEXT? WELL, THE PERSON WHO, UH, HAS THEIR PHONE NUMBER ENDING IN NINE THREE, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
WELL THE PERSON WHOSE PHONE NUMBER ENDS IN FOUR NINE, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, I GUESS THEY HUNG UP.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SARAH? YES, SIR.
THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM JESSE WHITE, A LETTER FOR YOU TO READ, AND THAT'S THE LAST CITIZEN COMMENT THAT WE HAVE.
CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? UH, THIS SAYS YOU'VE HEARD COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE ON CONSENT AND CHINA CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM 11, THE TWO 78 INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE MEETING ON OCTOBER 19TH IN PARTICULAR, SENATOR TOM DAVIS BROUGHT TO THE COMMITTEE'S ATTENTION, SEVERAL KEY ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WERE EITHER MISSING OR NOT SET FORTH IN SUFFICIENT DETAIL.
FOR INSTANCE, THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD EXPLICITLY REFERENCE THE STONY COMMUNITY, THEIR
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PARTICIPATION IN THE INDEPENDENT PROCESS, AND THAT THE CONSULTANT WOULD EVALUATE WAYS IN WHICH THE IMPACTS TO THEIR COMMUNITY CAN BE MITIGATED IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.IN ADDITION, THERE NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED AND REPRESENTATIVE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE FULL AND FAIR COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN THE PROCESS AND ESTABLISHED AVENUES BETWEEN CONCERNED CITIZENS, LOCAL LEADERS, AND S C D O T OFFICIALS.
WE AGREE WITH THE SENATOR DAVIS'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE AND CLARIFY THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE TWO 78 CORRIDOR PROJECT IS A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENT, AND IT IS CRITICAL THAT A HIGH QUALITY REVIEW TO BE INITIATED, TO PRODUCE THE HIGHEST QUALITY RESULTS, INCLUDING RETENTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VALUES, CONNECTIVITY, AND SENSE OF PLACE.
WE APPRECIATE THE COUNTY STAFF WILLINGNESS TO INCORPORATE THESE CLARIFYING CHANGES TO THE SCOPE OF WORK, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL'S DUE DILIGENCE IN ENSURING THAT THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW FULFILLS ITS INTENDED OBJECTIVE IN REPRESENTING AND REFLECTING THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITIES WHO WILL BE MOST IMPACTED BY THE TWO 78 CORRIDOR CORRIDOR PROJECT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, RESPECTFULLY JESSE WHITE, AND THAT WILL END OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, AND SINCE NO OTHER INFORMATION OR ANYTHING COMES JUST BEFORE COUNCIL, MR. RODMAN, JUST ONE CLOSING COMMENT ON TWO 78, IF I MIGHT, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS AND FINALIZE THIS WITH THE TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE AND THAT DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT TODAY BECAUSE IT WOULD DRAG IT OUT.
BUT, UM, UH, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO RATHER THAN DO A 50 50 THAT IT, IT ALL GETS CHARGED TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT.
SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WE'RE FINALIZING THINGS WITH THE TOWN.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, IT MAY TAKE WHO KNOWS TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO GET ALL THE PAPERWORK SIGNED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WE CLEARLY HAVE A COUNCIL APPROVAL, UH, FOR UP TO 40,000.
WE HAVE A SELECTED VENDOR AND I THINK WE'RE DOING IT AS A RFQ.
SO WE'RE PROBABLY ON TIME AND MATERIAL ANYWAY, NOT A FIXED COST.
SO I THINK THE STAFF ACTUALLY HAS THE AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE NOTICE TO PROCEED AND GET THIS THING THING STARTED BECAUSE TIME IS SOMEWHAT OF THE ESSENCE TO GET ALL OF THIS DONE SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMPLETING IT AFTER THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
SO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DECIDE IF I'M CORRECT, BUT I ACTUALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF COULD PROCEED WITH THE NOTICE TO PROCEED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN GLOVER.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE MASK WORKSHOP, UH, COULD YOU INCLUDE IN THERE, UM, PEDIATRICIANS, UM, TO SPEAK ON, ON THEIR CARE, UH, FOR, FOR CHILDREN, UM, AND WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL TRY AND GET A CROSS SECTION THAT WILL ENCOMPASS ALL PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS SEEING NONE? IT IS NOW 8:09 PM.
WE'RE ONLY NINE MINUTES AFTER WE NORMALLY LEAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND EVERYONE GOODNIGHT, EVERYBODY.