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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BEAVER COUNTY.
I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND, THOSE OPPOSED UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
UM, ASK FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING AGENDA.
I'LL SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, LET'S DO OUR ATTENDEE INTRODUCTIONS.
I'M BILLY KAISER LANG SPEAKER COUNTY, UH, ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ENGINEER FOR ROYAL PAP IS THROUGH THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, ALICE HOWARD DISTRICT FOUR COUNTY COUNCIL, ROBERT MURKY AND P FOR COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU'D BE FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL BE FOR COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
MIKE TONY, UH, METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK WE CAUGHT EVERYBODY NOBODY'S LURKING IN THE BACKGROUND.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL ON THESE ZOOM.
UM, SO LET'S MOVE TO, UH, ANY CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
ROB, DO WE HAVE NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, BUT I RECOMMEND WE READDRESS THAT LATER IN THE MEETING, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH BROADCASTING, UM,
UM, WE'LL MOVE THAT DOWN ON THE AGENDA THEN.
SO, UH, WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE UPDATES NUMBER EIGHT TAX SALES TAX, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, AND JERRY, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT FOR US.
I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOHN WITH YOU GUYS TODAY.
I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING BEFORE, SO, UH, UH, ENCOURAGE SHARE BY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, UH, PROSPEROUS AND, AND VALUABLE.
UM, SO, AND I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO JUST UPDATE WHERE WE ARE ON 2018 SALES TAX PROGRAM.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE THREE PROJECTS ARE TWO 78.
UM, HE WAS 21 CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS ON LADIES AND ON THE PATHWAYS SPECIFIC TO LADY'S ISLAND.
UM, IT'S A $30 MILLION, UH, FUNDING FROM THE SALES TAX.
WE HAVE, UM, OVER NATIVE MODEL TO HAVE US BASED OFF THERE'S NONPROFITS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT WERE BASED OFF THE PREVIOUS STANTEC.
UM, ME FOR A LADIES ISLAND CORD OR STUDY.
AND IN THAT STUDY, UM, THOSE NONPROFITS WERE IDENTIFIED AT A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL.
SO WE'VE COORDINATED BACK WITH STANTEC AND HAVE KEEPS THEM BACK OFF TO UPDATE AND SAY THAT WAS FROM 2017.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT OF, UH, NEWLY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SINCE THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, GIVE US, UH, UPDATED LOOK AT WHAT THE TABLEMATES AS IT REFLECTS TO THESE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE GOAL IS THAT YOU CAN TAKE THIS HIGH LEVEL STUDY AND BRING IT DOWN TO A MORE NARROW STUDY.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT BEHIND THIS, WE ARE PUT OUT TO BED AND HAVE OUR IN THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR TWO CONSULTING CONTRACTS, ENGINEERING CONSULTING DESIGN, WE SPLIT THE NINE PROJECTS UP TO HAVE THE TWO DIFFERENT SOLICITATIONS.
THE FIRST SOLICITATION BE AT THE MAJOR
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FLOOR.UM, HE HAS 21 IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS THE HASKELL, UM, THE AMENDMENT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO THOSE ARE PACKAGED IN, IN THE MAIN CORRIDOR PROJECT.
AND THEN THE SECOND IS ALL THE SIDE ROADS AND ANCILLARY ROADS.
THE HOPE OF THE SPLITTING THEM UP IS THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES THAT DON'T HAVE AS MANY HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH OUT AHEAD OF THE LARGE PROJECT, SUCH THAT WE CAN GET SOME CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY, AS WELL AS THE PROJECTS WILL ALL COME TOGETHER.
EVENTUALLY AS THEY CONNECT THE BIG PROJECTS WITH THE LITTLE PROJECTS, SIMPLY BY SETTING UP THE LITTLE PROJECTS FIRST PLAYS WELL INTO OUR ACCESSIBILITY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON THE MAINLAND CORRIDOR.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE, WE HAVE PUT OUT THAT SOLICITATION.
WE HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SIX PROPOSERS ON BOTH SOLICITATIONS WE'RE SCHEDULING INTERVIEWS UPCOMING WEEK, BUT IT'S THE TOP THREE PROPOSERS OF EACH, UM, SORT OF MUTATION.
AND THEN FROM THERE WE'LL BE TAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND THEN COUNTY COUNCIL, I'LL NOT SAY MORE THAN LIKELY.
UM, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE A JANUARY TIMEFRAME WHEN WE GET THOSE APPROVED AND WE'LL HAVE, BY THAT TIME, THE REVISED STANTEC STUDY WITH HOPEFULLY SOME BOT COORDINATION AND BLESSING ON THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS INSTEAD OF STEADY DESIGN ENGINEER CAN MOVE STRAIGHT INTO FULL-BLOWN DESIGN.
OTHER THAN THE DESIGN, WE ARE ALSO DEVELOPING AND JUST WENT, WE'LL HAVE THIS WEEK WITH A B FOR COUNTY PENNY.COM WEBSITE.
IT'S ON EVERYTHING ABOUT THE UPDATES ON IT.
IT'LL HAVE A DIRECT LINK TO DOTC WEBSITE ON THE TWO 78 CORRIDOR.
UM, WELL, AS THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS DELAYS OUT IN THE PATHWAY PROJECT, UM, OTHER ON THE, ON THE PATHWAY PROJECTS, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING THAT OUT AS A VIRTUAL MEETING AT THE MOMENT.
SO, UM, TO GET PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE IN WITH COVID, UM, WE WENT THIS VIRTUAL MEETING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE OUT AND AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT.
THERE'S PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN OF EACH OF THE PATHWAYS, UH, EACH OF THE FIRST 14 PATHWAYS THAT WE PRIORITIZED.
UM, SO WE'RE SEEKING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 30 DAYS.
AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO A MORE FULL DESIGN, AS FAR AS LADY'S, ALLEN'S CONCERN.
THERE'S TWO PROJECTS THAT FALL ON LADY'S ISLAND, UH, THE PATHWAYS, WHICH IS THE MERIDIAN ROAD PATHWAY PROJECT AND THE, UM, MILLER ROAD PATHWAY PROJECT.
UM, SO THOSE TWO ARE, ARE LISTED.
AND ANY COMMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, OR CAN PUSH OUT TO ANY, UH, ANY OF THE FOLKS YOU COORDINATE ON A, UM, ON A COORDINATED EFFORT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT WEBSITE IS B FOR COUNTY PINEY.COM AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO I GLADLY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY HAS THE VIRTUAL COMMENTS.
UM, SO THERE'S NO PLANS FOR ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS IS ALL, HAS TO BE DONE VIRTUALLY ON THE PATHWAYS, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH.
SO OUR INTENT IS THAT ALL PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE PATHWAYS AND THE NONPROFITS ON LADY'S ISLAND ROADWAY, UM, ARE GOING TO HAVE A TWO-PART PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS.
SO THIS EARNS EARLY AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THE PLAN.
SO ALL WE HAVE NOW IS A, UM, VERY PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
UH, SO BASED ON THE COMMENTS, WE'LL, WE'LL UPDATE THAT AND THEN START WORKING TOWARDS, UH, A FULL DEVELOPED PLAN TO SUBMIT TO THE AGENCIES.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK, UM, AS WE'RE GETTING COMMENTS FROM THE AGENCIES, WE PLAN TO COME BACK WITH A LATER MEETING, WHICH IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, WHETHER THAT'LL BE VIRTUAL OR WE CAN DO THAT IN PERSON.
AND THE LINK IS ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE.
YOU CAN GET THERE THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, AT T TO PUT IT IN A MORE, UM, EASIER ACCESSIBLE LOCATION ON THE WEBSITE.
IT'D BE NICE IF A MUNICIPALITIES COULD GET THAT TO PUT IT ON THEIR WEBSITE.
MIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOME, I HAD, I HAD ONE QUESTION AND I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT THE LOSS OF STYLE AND REALIGNMENT, IS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED? YES, WE HAD TWO SOLICITATIONS.
ONE WAS THE MAJOR, UM, HIGHWAY 21 AND EIGHT OH TWO IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN THE SECOND WAS THE SMALLER SIDE ROADS, SO THAT ONE'S FITTING INTO
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THE SIDE ROADS, UM, OR OKAY.BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MIKE CORRECT ME THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAD SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ALREADY UNDERWAY.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS UNDER CONTRACT, UM, WITH THE CONSULTANTS OF, LET ME BACK UP ON WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU.
UM, THIS WOULD NORMALLY BE UNDER THAT SMALL CONTRACT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WORK LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, MAYOR.
UM, SO THIS ONE IS NOT INCLUDED.
WE HAVE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT ALREADY STARTED.
AND SO THERE HAS BEEN AGREEMENT IN PLACE THAT THE CITY HAS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UH, WE FRED TRASH FOR THE FIRST PORTION, UM, OF THE, OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
WE'VE STILL GOT TO IDENTIFY, UM, THE SECOND PORTION AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT BEHIND TACO BELL.
UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH THE ENGINEER, AS WELL AS BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE PLATTE AND TRANSFER PROPERTY FROM THE DEVELOPER ON THAT PROPERTY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE PROPER AMOUNT OF RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN TO 50 FEET.
AND THEN BASED OFF PHIL AND OTHER, UM, ENGINEERING ITEMS THAT, THAT WE NEED 60 FEET.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND COORDINATING WITH, UH, WITH, UH, MR. TRASK.
SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED, THEN WE'LL FINALIZE THAT THE D TRANSFER FOR THAT.
BECAUSE THAT ONE'S BEEN IN THE QUEUE A LONG TIME AND IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY, A RELATIVELY SIMPLE ONE.
IT'S SIMPLE ON THE, ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE AND THEN BEHIND THE TACO BELL, IT GETS INTO SOME MAJOR WETLANDS.
SO, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT ONE.
WELL, ANOTHER QUESTION AND IT MAY BE SOMEWHERE I CAN FIND IT WITHOUT YOUR REPEATING THEM, BUT YOU LISTED A NUMBER OF A PATHWAY PROJECT.
WAS IT EIGHT, SIX ON THE PATHWAY? IT SAID THERE WAS 24 PATHWAY PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THEIR EFFORT IN AND OUT OF THOSE 24, WE'VE IDENTIFIED 14.
OUR COUNCIL HAS IDENTIFIED 14 AS PRIORITIES.
SO THERE'S A FIRST 14 THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
IT IS ON THE, ON THE ENGINEER, ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, UNDER ENGINEERING AND TRANSPORTATION, UM, BLINK, HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO LISTED AND MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ON THAT BEAVER COUNTY.
UM, I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS, BUT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS DONE WITH THAT, WE COULD MOVE TO NUMBER NINE, THE LADIES ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER MASTER PLAN.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT NEXT ITEM.
UH, SO I GUESS I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
IT'S, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, W WE HAVE A TASK FORCE, THE LADY'S ISLAND VILLAGE CENTER TASK FORCE, AND, UH, WE HAD OUR SECOND MEETING YESTERDAY, SO WE'RE GETTING OUR FEET ON THE GROUND.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE STARTING TO, UH, MAKE SOME PROGRESS, UH, IN A DIRECTION, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, AND WE HAD PAUL SUMMERVILLE, UH, WITH US YESTERDAY, ALONG WITH, UH, ROB MERCHANT AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE.
UH, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT MOST OF THE, UH, HOUR AND A HALF HOUR AND A QUARTER OF THAT MEETING WAS CENTERED AROUND, UM, THE, UH, UH, ISSUES THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE THAT, UH, WE GET YOU, UH, TIED IN WITH THE TASK FORCE.
SO, UH, WE, OUR NEXT MEETING IS IN TWO WEEKS AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO, UH, SET UP A MEETING WITH YOU SEPARATE FROM THAT, UH, TO TRY AND, UH, GET UP TO SPEED AND LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, UH, THE TWO WON'T WORK, UH, AT WORK, IF THEY'RE SEPARATE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH, UH, A PLAN THAT I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THE THERE'S.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MIKE, UM, WITH WHITE HALL UP IN THE AIR,
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NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE TWO, TWO LAWSUITS PENDING, UM, IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S CIVIC MASTER PLAN, UM, WHITE HALL AS AN EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN BUFORD HAS ALWAYS BEEN, I THINK, AN INCREMENTAL PART OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, UH, OF A MASTER PLAN FOR VILLAGE CENTER.UM, I DON'T KNOW, AND I CAN'T FIND FROM I DON'T AN AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE, BUT I'M TOLD THAT THERE'S SOMEONE IN BUFORD COUNTY, MAYBE ERIC CAN ANSWER, THIS IS NOW NEGOTIATING NEGOTIATING TO PURCHASE FOR THE COUNTY TO PURCHASE MORE OF THE WHITE HOUSE PROPERTY.
AND THE RUMOR HAS IS THAT THE CORNER WILL BE TURNED INTO A PARKING LOT FOR BOATS, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S PARKING, PARKING IS LIMITED.
AND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE PART OF THE BANK THERE, UH, YOU'D HAVE PARKING ALL UP AND DOWN 21 AND PARTICULARLY MERIDIAN ROAD, BUT A PARKING LOT, THERE WOULD CERTAINLY NOT FIT THE CONCEPT OF, OF, OF CREATING A VILLAGE CENTER, UM, AND AN EXTENSION OF, OF DOWNTOWN.
AND ERIC, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS WHETHER THE COUNTY IS, OR IS NOT, UH, LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CITY AGREED TO, UH, TO MANAGE, UH, THE COUNTY'S 10 ACRE PARK, BUT IF IT BECOMES A 28 ACRE PARK, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR AGREEMENT IS.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT MARIN, FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON AT THIS TIME AND NO NEGOTIATIONS WILL OCCUR WITHOUT THE CITY OF BUFORD, UH, INVOLVEMENT IN THAT.
UM, WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, PRESENTED TO ME AT THIS POINT AND SOME JUST, UM, CITIZENS MEANINGS AND COMMENTS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU DESCRIBED.
UH, I AM NOT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT IN FAVOR OF A PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT WOULD CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR, UH, YOUR MASTER PLAN CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THINGS ARE JUST IN THE PLUM PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION STAGES.
PEOPLE ARE JUST FLOATING IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO MOVE THAT ALONG TO TRY TO SOLVE THE ISSUES.
THERE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME MENTION OF ADDING ADDITIONAL LAND TO THE PARK, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF SOME SORT OF MULTI-USE PARKING AREA, UH, INCLUDED WITH REGARDS TO THAT THAT WOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR OVERFLOW TRAFFIC FROM THE BOAT LANDING.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST IDEAS AND CONCEPTS AND DISCUSSIONS.
WE WOULD NOT, I, I WOULD NOT, AS LONG AS OUR REMAINED IN THE ROLE OF EVER START A NON-OFFICIAL NEGOTIATION ON THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO TO JARED.
AND THAT IS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DON'T SEE EACH OTHER AND WE DON'T REALLY TALK THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO, WE PICK UP, WE PICK UP THINGS.
AND IF SOMEONE SAID YESTERDAY, I WAS, UH, A MERCHANT ACTUALLY ON, ON, ON LADY'S ISLAND THAT THE SCAN TECH PLAN HAD BEEN MODIFIED AND THAT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL WOULD BE OFF OF MERIDIAN ROAD, WHICH TO ME WOULD REQUIRE A LIGHT THERE AS I BELIEVE WHITE HALL WOULD AS WELL AS IT MAY ALREADY NEED TO BE DONE.
BUT HIS HAS THE IN CONCEPT WITH THE ENGINEERS ABANDONED THE EXISTING LIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, WITH AN ALTERNATIVE BEING THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF MERIDIAN ROAD.
UM, THE HOSPITAL REALIGNMENT AS IT'S PRESENTED IN THE STUDY RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND WE HAD SOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ALREADY.
UM, ONE WAS LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS IN ITS CURRENT FORMAT.
UM, ONE, THE SECOND WAS MOVED TO SUNSET BOULEVARD AND COME THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD WAS COME TO MERIDIAN ROAD, UM, AND HAVE THE SIGNAL BAYER AND GET RID OF THE EXISTING ONE WHERE IT IS, UM, DURING THAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MEETING, WHICH WAS A YEAR AGO, TWO OTHER OPTIONS WERE IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS COMING OFF OF 800 TO ONE EVERY TWO BOY AND ONE ACROSS FROM WHAT IS HAZEL FARM.
UM, SO THOSE OPTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY EXPLORED.
UM, WE JUST HAD THAT COMMENT AND IT KINDA,
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UM, HASN'T GONE MUCH FURTHER FROM THERE.STANTEC IS EVALUATING THAT WE ALSO PROVIDED STANTEC WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED FOR WHITE HALL BOARD WALL OR WHITE, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND IN THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT, IT SAYS THAT WHEN THAT IS DEVELOPED, THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE A SIGNAL ON THEIR OWN REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO ON THE, ON THE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO WE'RE GETTING STANTEC TO PROCESS ALL THAT INFORMATION TO HELP US IDENTIFY THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
WELL, WHILE I CAN IMAGINE THE, UH, REACTION FROM THE PEOPLE ON MERIDIAN ROAD THAT DOES CREATE A SIT HORRIBLE PARALLEL POTENTIAL FOR CONSIDERABLE PARALLEL PARALLEL ROAD BEHIND ALL OF THAT, WHICH COULD CONCEIVABLY BRING ACCESS TO THE BUSINESSES ON, ON, ON MOST SOUTH SIDE OF 21, WHICH WOULD TAKE THEM OFF OF THE TRAFFIC.
UM, AND, AND ALSO AS MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER COMMENT, THE COUNTY IS ALSO LOOKING TO, UM, DEPLOY A WORK ON A MASTER PLAN FOR THE BOAT GRANTS, UM, COUNTY LAB, AND TO LOOK AT IMPROVEMENTS IN PARKING, BE A MAJOR ONE.
UM, AND WHAT BETTER RAMPS COULD ADDITIONAL APARTMENT IMPROVEMENTS BE AVAILABLE? SO ANYWAYS, UM, ALL THIS IS TYING TOGETHER AND I APPRECIATE I'M INVOLVED ON THIS MEETING AND THEN FUTURE MEETINGS MIGHT BECAUSE IT, IT IS PLAYING OFF OF ONE ANOTHER.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS, UH, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PURCHASING ADDITIONAL PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, UH, OR THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT PURCHASING ADDITIONAL PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS A IMPACT ON THE BUYER, RIGHT.
A LAWSUIT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, INVOLVED WITH.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY, AS, AS SOMEONE THAT'S INVOLVED BOTH WITH THE MPC AND PART OF THE LAWSUIT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE BECAUSE IF I'M ASKED, CAN I ASK AN AD? I HAVE NOT, STEVEN MURRAY HAS BEEN OUR, OUR, OUR LADY'S ISLAND BIRD DOG.
AND, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE READY TO PUT PARAMETERS OR GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES ON WHAT WE REALLY CONSIDER THAT THE VILLAGE CENTER IS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED.
WELL, NO, IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION WE'RE, WE'RE EARLY IN OUR, UH, REVIEW OF THIS THING.
I THINK THAT, UM, UH, MY, MY INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN AND, UH, UH, THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN, UH, IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 20,000 FOOT VIEW OF EVERYTHING WITH ALL THE ZONING AND THE ROADWAYS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND STANTEC ALSO IS MORE OF A 20,000 FOOT VIEW.
UM, AND MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TAKE A LOOK AT ABOUT A 500 FOOT VIEW, GET MORE GRANULAR, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON ON THE GROUND.
UH, AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I WAS, UH, TELLING JARED THAT IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET TOGETHER, NOT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE THINGS HAVE JUST BEEN, UH, WHICH, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO COME UP TO SPEED ON IT AND WORK IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER, BUT ALSO FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT, UM, UH, THAT THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT IN LARGE PART ARE KIND OF DEFINED BY THE ROADWAY SYSTEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CREATED, AND THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED BY STANTEC.
AND THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SAME TIME.
THEY START TO PUT SOME, SOME BOUNDARIES, IF YOU WILL, AROUND THE AREA THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT'S THE, UH, LADY'S ISLAND, UH, UM, VILLAGE, UH, CORRIDOR AS SUCH, BUT, UH, THE OTHER ZONINGS WILL EMANATE FROM THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE FOUND A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OTHER POSSIBILITIES AND THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT ON THE INTERACTIVE, NOT JUST WITH THE ROADWAY SYSTEM, BUT ALSO WITH THE PATHWAYS.
YEAH, THE REASON I ASKED THAT AND MIKE CAN CHIME IN IS THAT IT'S VERY LONGTERM BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS, BUT, UH, I THINK IN COUNCIL, WE'VE THROWN AROUND THE IDEA OF AN HAVING ANNEX, THE DONUT
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HOLES, AND WE WILL CONTINUE ON 21 PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY ON 21.W WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A VISION, UH, LET ME SAY I HAVE A VISION.
AND I THINK COUNCIL IS PRETTY MUCH IN LINE THAT IT'S, IT'S A SETUP FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO BOUNDARY STREET WITH THE INTERCONNECTIVITY AND, UM, TRAFFIC CALMING AND, AND MANAGEMENT.
AND AS SOON AS WE GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS SHOULD BE LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD BE OUR HARM AGAIN, THOUGH.
I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD SPEND THE MONEY UP FRONT TO DO ALL THE PLANNING, BUT TO LOOK AT HOW THAT, HOW THAT WOULD COME TOGETHER SO THAT WE, WE SORT OF SEE BOUNDARIES STRAIGHT, UH, AS, AS A DOWNTOWN BURDEN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD AND THE VILLAGE DOWNTOWN, UH, UH, DOWNTOWN LADY'S ISLAND PROVIDING MANY OF THE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE WOULD NEED.
SO THEY'RE NOT BRIDGE DEPENDENT, UM, SO THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD SERVE THE PEOPLE WITHOUT, WITHOUT GETTING ON 21 OR WITHOUT, WITHOUT CROSSING A BRIDGE TO DEAL WITH MITIGATING SOME OF THE CROSSING THROUGH THE CITY OR THROUGH PORT ROYAL TO GET SOMEPLACE ELSE WHERE YOU COULD JUST AS WELL GET IT ON LADY'S ISLAND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION AND MAYOR, AND, UH, AND MY, UM, AS FAR AS OUR PLAN SAYS, STATE TESTS FOR ADVISING, UH, THEY'RE TAKING THE KNOWN IMPROVEMENTS FOR TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, BUT THEY'RE REALLY HONING IN ON, ON THE ROAD COMPONENT.
UM, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE 500 FOOT GRANULARITY TO OUR APPROACH THAT THEN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THE REST OF THE FOREST THAT FIT TOGETHER AND MAINLY, UH, AND MAY I REALLY APPLAUD YOU ON THE VISION FOR YOU AND COUNCIL, BUT MAINLY, UM, THE CURRENT PRO PROJECT WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE CORE DOOR, UM, VERSUS THE ACCESS ROADS.
BUT ONCE WE HAVE THE CORRIDOR ESTABLISHED AND CREATED, THEN I THINK A PHASE TWO FOR ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE IS TO START LOOKING AT THOSE ACCESS ELEMENTS, UM, TO GET EVERYBODY TO A SIGNAL OFF THE ROADWAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AS OUR SECOND PHASE OF BOUNDARY STREET IS FIND PROPERTIES FOR OUR, OUR PARALLEL ROAD THERE TO THE NORTH.
I MAY BE DUMPING A LOT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS MY NEXT TO THE LAST MEETING AND THAT'LL BE LEAVING IT.
HOPEFULLY THEY MIGHT, THERE MIGHT MAKE WHOEVER'S MY SUCCESSOR, BUT A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE, AND THIS IS A FORMAT TIP TO DOWNLOAD IT SO THAT I GIVE THE BENEFIT OF MY THOUGHTS TO WHAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON NOW WITH THE ALL FOR 12 YEARS, YOUR FUNNELS STILL WORK, STILL WORK, OR LIKE LAST NIGHT, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT ON MUTE.
MAYOR YOUR COMMENTS ARE, I THINK, RIGHT, RIGHT ON DRAG WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE'VE HAD IN OUR LAST MEETING, UH, WE CERTAINLY HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION RELATED TO EXACTLY WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, A LOT OF THAT HINGES ON THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND, AND BETTER DEFINING EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT WITH A LARGER PICTURE SENSE, BUT, UH, I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH, UH, WITH YOUR THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE, WE HAVE JARED WHO I THINK UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO IF WE'RE DONE WITH A DISCUSSION ON THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE, UH, BUFORD COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM VERY, A QUICK UPDATE AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, UM, WE MADE A, UM, DESIGN WORKSHOP WHO IS OUR CONSULTANTS FOR THE PLAN, MADE A PRESENTATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH.
AND BASICALLY COUNCIL IS GIVING US A DIRECTION THAT THEY STILL WANT TO FOLLOW.
OUR ORIGINAL TIMELINE IS TO CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
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UM, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN EARNEST IN JUNE, JANUARY, UM, OF THIS YEAR.AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, W WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL ROUND OF, OF PUBLIC WORKSHOPS IN MARCH AND THEN IMMEDIATE THE COVID CRISIS HIT US.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY CHALLENGED SINCE THEN, UM, TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT IS HOW COULD WE HAVE IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE MEETINGS FULL ENGAGEMENT AND BRING THE PUBLIC INTO THE PROCESS.
WE'VE DECIDED ON OUR THREE OPEN HOUSE STYLE WORKSHOPS, UM, WE'RE VERY CLOSE AND ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GATHERING LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A, IN THE SPACE.
SO W WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A FORMAT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DROP BY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF FOUR, FOUR, AND 8:00 PM, UM, WE'LL HAVE MASKS, WE'LL HAVE SOCIAL DISTANCING, BUT THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN TO DATE, SOME OF OUR GENERAL, UM, UH, GOALS AND POLICIES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR, FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE PLAN.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A MAPPING EXERCISE.
UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, THAT WAS MADE BACK IN, UH, I THINK THIS WAS FEBRUARY WHEN THEY, UM, OUR CONSULTANT PRESENTED TO THE NORTHERN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE WAS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REACHED OUT TO OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES.
SO, UM, I HAVE ON THE SCREEN ARE THREE WORKSHOPS, UM, TUESDAY, AND WE ARE ALSO LIMITED WHERE WE COULD HAVE THE WORKSHOPS.
I THINK TH TH EVEN NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE IT IN ONE OF THE SCHOOLS, BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF ISSUES AND IN HAVING THEIR HYBRIDS, UH, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL IN SESSION.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, UH, BURTON WELLS RECREATION CENTER, AND THE SENIOR CENTER, UM, PEOPLE CAN DROP BY FROM FOUR TO 8:00 PM.
WEDNESDAY, WE'LL BE SOUTH OF ABROAD AT THE BUCK WATER RECREATION CENTER, 8:00 PM.
AND THEN THURSDAY, UH, WE HAVE, WE'LL BE AT FRIZZLE HALL AT PENN CENTER ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND FROM FOUR TO EIGHT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS ANYTHING YOU CAN HELP SPREAD THE WORDS.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MANY PEOPLE WHO COULD MAKE IT TO THESE MEETINGS AS POSSIBLE, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A VIRTUAL COMPONENT.
SO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T MAKE THE MEETINGS OR DON'T WANT TO DON'T FEEL THAT THEY WANT IT TO, TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES AND, AND BE OUT THERE.
UM, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE SURVEYS AND, AND PROVIDE INFORMATION ONLINE AND HOPEFULLY GET THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS THEY WOULD HAVE IN PERSON.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND I, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, AND ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU CAN HELP SPREAD THE WORD THAT WE HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS COMING UP NEXT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ROB, TO EXPLAIN AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAST SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PRIOR SURVEYS, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, WHAT WE'VE ACCUMULATED AND OUT TO GET SOME FURTHER DELINEATION AND PRIORITIZATION AS SOME VERY CRITICAL ISSUES.
SO FOLKS WERE THINKING, WELL, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TO A SURVEY OR TWO IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE.
I THINK ARE MISTAKEN IN THAT THEY CAN HELP IT MOVE IT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND THE MORE PUBLIC INPUT AND DELINEATION THAT WE GET, THE BETTER OUTPUT AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE MUNICIPALITIES.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE SERIES OF MEETINGS THAT WILL FURTHER ALLOW US TO DELINEATE THE PRIORITIES AND TENSIONS.
WHAT ARE THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO, UH, OUR, UH, PRIORITIZED LIST THAT WE, UH, HAD PUT TOGETHER.
UM, PROBABLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S A PART OF THAT, BUT NOT REALLY A PART OF THAT, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, UH, STEVEN HAD A ASSET QUESTION, UM, TO REAFFIRM, UH, THE APPROACH TO GETTING FUNDING FOR CONSULTANTS FOR THE
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LADIES LADIES VILLAGE CENTER.AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD AN UPDATE WITH, UH, ANY INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, BRINGING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD, UH, WITH THE TASK FORCE OR NOT.
SO CAN YOU ADD, CAN YOU SAY THAT IT WAS ROBIN, I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT, YEAH.
UH, AS, AS USUAL EACH MEETING, UH, STEVEN, WHEN HE'S, UH, WHEN HE'S, UH, AVAILABLE ON BOARD, HE BRINGS UP THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, FUNDING FOR A CONSULTANT, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LADY'S ISLAND, UH, VILLAGE CENTER PLAN.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE WORKING WITH, AND IN PARALLEL TO THE, UH, TASK FORCE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT, UH, FUNDING FOR THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, UH, IS ANYBODY STILL WORKING WITH THAT, UH, POTENTIAL FUNDING OR, AND, UH, DO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH IT? YEAH.
THE QUICK ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, WE ARE WORKING TOWARD THAT.
UH, WE MET WITH THE CITY THIS WEEK, UM, AND, UH, WE ARE GOING TO WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE TO, UH, OUR COUNCIL LIAISON AND CHAIRMAN OF NATURAL RESOURCES IS THAT WE WORK WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP A SCOPE OF SERVICES THAT POTENTIALLY PUT OUT AN RFQ.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SOLICIT, UH, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE COST AMOUNT WILL BE, AND THEN SEE ABOUT FUNDING THAT WITH THE NEXT ROUND OF BUDGET, UH, COMING UP IN JUNE.
SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY WORK ACTUALLY BEGAN UNTIL AFTER JUNE OF 2021.
UH, BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE CITY TO BUDGET THE FUNDS FOR THAT IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO EITHER OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET TO DO THAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
AND MAYBE OUR FRIENDS AT FORT ROYAL, SINCE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BRIDGE GOING INTO THEIR JURISDICTION, MIGHT BE WILLING TO, UH, PARTICIPATE, UH, ON THAT AS WELL.
SO A LITTLE BIT IF IT'S NOT TOO COSTLY, SO WE'LL COORDINATE ALL OF THAT AND CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD THAT PATH IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE.
THAT SOUNDS, THAT SOUNDS GOOD WITH ME.
UH, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, A DRAFT RFP THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER AND PUT TOGETHER SOMETIME AGO.
I RE UH, SENT THAT OUT, I THINK, TO BOTH YOU AND TO, UH, UH, ROB, UH, WITH JUST A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO ADD THE INFORMATION FOR, UM, UH, PORT ROYAL.
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE INFORMATION WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THAT, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S A, THAT'S A DRAFT BASED THAT, UM, MAY BE ABLE TO BE USED.
UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MAY HAVE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT.
I HAD FORGOTTEN THERE MOMENTARILY THAT WE'VE HAD THAT FRAMEWORK LAID OUT.
WE WILL BUILD ON THAT AND WE WILL THAT PROCESS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING OUT TO GET SOME IDEAS FOR FUNDING AND PUT IN THE SCOPE THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT THE WORK TO BE DONE UNTIL THE SUMMER OF 2021.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M AVAILABLE IF, UH, I WROTE A LOT OF THAT.
SO IF, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE ANY, UH, INPUT INTO THAT, UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU DEFINITELY REACH OUT.
SO, UH, THE, UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE PRIOR AUTHORIZATION, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROBIN AND ERIC, I APPRECIATE THAT UPDATE.
SO THE FIRST THING IS THE REVIEW OF THE NRP PIC MANDATE, AND I BELIEVE, UH, UH, ALEX, YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT POTENTIALLY IN THIS MEETING, HELLO, ED PAPPAS.
AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND I'M, UM, I'M SORRY.
WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE CAN DISCUSS IT SOME MORE, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECOMING PART OF SO LOCO, BUT THEN WE ARGUED OUR WAY OUT OF THAT, I THINK.
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NOT AT THIS TIME? I THINK A SOLO CO'S MEETING NEXT TUESDAY, AND THERE'LL BE A FURTHER TO SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AND OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS ABOUT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.WE HAVE REPRESENTATION TO THE NRA.
IPC HAS REPRESENTATION OF SOLO K THROUGH ALISON, MYSELF AND ERIC AND ROB WHO ALL ATTENDED SOLO CO MEETING.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU WHAT'S HOT ON THEIR PLATE AND THEIR ISSUES.
AND I BELIEVE ON SOME OF THE ISSUES LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TASK FORCE, ET CETERA, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND UPDATES WITH ERIC.
SO I THINK AS LONG AS WE KEEP A DIALOGUE OPEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY NEED TO ASK ONE OF THEIR BOARD MEMBERS TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE OR NOT.
I, YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE THAT IN THE HANDS OF THEIR, OF THEIR BOARD OF THIS LINE, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO REPORT BACK AND FORTH IN A MORE FORMAL MANNER.
I MEAN, WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THEIR LATEST DIALOGUE IS.
I THINK THE BIG ISSUE ON TUESDAY IS PATHWAYS.
UH, EACH OF THE MUNICIPALITIES WHO ARE GOING TO GIVE THEIR UPDATE ON THEIR PLANNING FOR PATHWAYS PROJECTS, ET CETERA.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, JEREMY, UH, PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, FOR SURE.
SO, MIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHECKS THE BOX FOR THAT ONE, OR IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT ON THE LIST.
UM, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHECK THE BOX, BUT IT'S WHAT AND NOT DISCUSSED AND WHAT WE THINK THE BEST.
WE, WE STILL THINK WE NEED THE, WE DON'T NEED TO CONSOLIDATE THE TWO GROUPS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE TOO, UM, TOO CUMBERSOME MAYBE.
YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I, UM, I THINK THAT THE EARLIER CONVERSATION WAS NOT SO MUCH TO CONSOLIDATE THE GROUPS AS MUCH AS, UH, PARTICIPATION, UH, IN, UH, EACH OF THE GROUPS.
UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, YOU YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROVIDING THAT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, UH, ANY MORE THAT WE WANT TO DO THEN THAT, UH, THIS UPCOMING MEETING, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ATTEND THAT.
SO MAYBE I'LL COORDINATE WITH Y'ALL AND, UH, FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN THAT INVITATION.
UH, NOW IS THAT, IS THAT A VIRTUAL STILL? YES.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND, FOR SURE.
UH, THE, UH, LADIES ISLAND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE, UM, I GUESS NOBODY'S HERE OTHER THAN MYSELF TO, TO COMMENT.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT MOST OF THE FOCUS HAS BEEN, UH, REALLY ON, UH, GETTING THE TASK FORCE UP AND RUNNING AND MOVING FORWARD.
AND, UH, UH, AND SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF AN UPDATE, UH, I'VE REALLY GOT FOR THAT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX DISCUSSION.
AND JOE WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT, BUT HE'S NOT HERE.
SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT MONTH, UNLESS EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS ANY INFORMATION TO HAVE ON THAT.
YES, THE CITY MANAGER AND I MET WHILE ALL THE MAYORS FROM ALL FOUR, WE DIDN'T HAVE A UMC THERE, BUT, UH, OVER COFFEE LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS, AND WE ALL WANT TO PRESS FORWARD.
UM, WE'VE HAD BEEN WANTING TO PRESS FORWARD FOR A NOVEMBER, UH, 21 BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A POTENTIAL PENNY SALES TAX BY THE COUNTY.
AND IN NOVEMBER OF 22, UM, WE MET WITH THE CHAMBER, THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF COUNCIL AND, UM, SOMEBODY WHO SIT IN, SAT IN FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR.
AND I THINK IT'S THE WILL OF, UH, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT.
SO WE'LL HAVE ALL FOUR MUNICIPALITIES TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE PROCESS W WE, WE PASSED RESOLUTIONS, BUT I THINK THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR THE COUNTY TO START THE BALL.
SINCE IT'S THE COUNTY A REQUIRES THREE READINGS AND B IT HAS TO BE A COUNTY-WIDE REFERENDUM, BUT, UH, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY, HOW MANY YEARS, UM, HILTON HAD HIS HORN HAS BEEN SORT OF AN OBSTACLE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE THEY NEED IT, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN
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THEY'VE NOW COME TO REALIZE THAT IT COULD, COULD PRIME THEIR PUMP AND ALLOW THEM TO GET SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT, THAT THEY CAN'T PASS, OR WE'RE NOT PREPARED YET TO PASS IN A REFERENDUM.SO I THINK, UH, THE CHAIRMAN OF COUNTY COUNCIL SAID THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING ON SOMETHING IN TERMS OF, OF A DRAFT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE ON COUNTY COUNCIL WHO WANTS TO CORRECT ME OR JERRY, JERRY, UH, I KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, THAT SAME MORNING THAT WE MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN, THE CHAIRMAN, UM, PORT ROYAL MET WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
I'M NOT SURE YOU WERE PART OF THAT MEETING WAS NOT PART OF THAT, MAN.
I GUESS I'D ASK HIM, OR IF COUNTY COUNCIL, IS THERE TALK OF NEXT STEPS? YES, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.
AND EVERYTHING YOU SAID, I THINK THERE'S A, A WILL TO GO FORWARD.
SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST KEEP THIS UP THERE FOR NEXT MONTH FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT FROM THE COUNTY, HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, THEY'RE SIDE THEM ON THE, UH, UH, ISSUES AS UNIFORM YARD WASTE POLICY.
UM, AND, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, UH, A PUBLIC SQUIRM REPRESENTATIVE WAS GOING TO SPEAK, UH, TO THE CITY OF BUFORD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED OR NOT.
IS ANYBODY AWARE OF THAT? THE CITY IS, THE CITY HAS PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT IS RATHER RESTRICTIVE ON THE, AS IT RELATES TO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.
UM, PRETTY, PRETTY AGGRESSIVE IN TERMS OF PROHIBITING THE DUMPING OF ANYTHING FROM YARD VASE, TO REFRIGERATORS, WASHING MACHINES, MATTRESSES INTO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM, WHICH WE FOUND TO BE OUR UNIQUE PROBLEM.
AS WE'VE BEEN DIGGING UP, LOOK LOOKING AT ON THE MOSCOW YOLKS PROJECT.
ALICE MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S BEEN FOLLOWING IT CLOSELY, BUT WE DID.
WE DID PASS AN ORDINANCE, I THINK ON FALCONRY.
DID WE ASK IT ON WITH REFERENCES TO THE DRAINAGE CANALS AND SO FORTH? WE ALREADY PASSED THAT.
UM, BRIAN IS PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN.
I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE THAN ANY MORE ABOUT THAT, MIKE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE IT ON THE, ON THE, OUR LIST.
SO AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK TO THE ISSUES, KNOWING MIGHT END UP TAKING, UM, THE CITY OF BUFORD AS AN EXAMPLE OF ORDINANCE TO BE USED IN PARTS OF THE COUNTY TOO, I WOULD LEAVE IT ON THERE.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CHAIRMAN LEAVE THAT ON THE LIST.
MAYOR, IF THAT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT SOMEONE AT THE CITY CAN SEND OVER TO ME, I CAN SEND THAT OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS SLASH STORMWATER IN THE COUNTY FOR THEM.
IF SO, WHERE WOULD YOU SEND IT OVER TO THEM? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU FROM SOMEONE REGARDING THE, UH, THE, UH, STATUS OF THE TURN LANES AT WALGREENS.
CAN YOU TELL US WHERE WE STAND ON THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THAT IN THE OVERALL UPDATE, BUT YES, UM, AT WALGREENS HAS BEEN, UH, BLED FOR BID AND CONTRACT AWARDED.
UM, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME FINALIZING SOME RIGHT AWAY, UM, COMPONENTS AND THE HOPE AND EXPECTATION THAT WE CAN GET STARTED, UH, AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE A FOUR MONTH PROCESS PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE A DELIVERY IN THE SPRING MARCH, APRIL TIME.
THAT'S THE WALGREENS ON LADY'S ISLAND, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UH, LEGAL, OUTSTANDING LEGAL ISSUES WITH THAT, CAROLINE, OR HAS THAT BEEN TAKEN? THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE ATTACHED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, BUT THOSE ARE OUTSTANDING LEGAL ISSUES.
AND JARED, JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF
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YOU'RE AWARE, BUT A HARRIS TEETER IS KIND OF MOVING FORWARD AGAIN.AND SO, UH, I KNOW THERE'S TURN LANES AND, UH, RIGHT KNOW RIGHT OUT ONLY, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THAT MAY BE COMING TOWARD YOU SOONER AND THE SOONER THE BETTER WORKS WITH US TOO, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE SOMETHING, WHATEVER PLANS THAT YOU GOT BACK AND GET OVER TO STANTEC AS THEY'RE UPDATING THE STUDY RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO THEY CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BEST WAY.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THEY FIRST GOT THEIR APPROVAL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DUST THAT OFF AND GET IT OVER TO YOU IN, IN A THING, THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD, UM, IT DEFINITELY IMPROVES IT RIGHT AROUND THEIR AREA THAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST HOLISTIC APPROACH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE INTERSECTION.
SO SOMETHING THAT WE, I THINK SHOULD CONSIDER AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CORRIDOR.
SO WE'LL KEEP THAT ON THE LIST.
I GUESS NEXT ITEM IS JUST REGIONAL STORMWATER COMPLIANCE, SUBJECT DECK RESTRICTIONS, AND ERIC, YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT FORWARD AS A COUNTY WIDE INITIATIVE AS A PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OUT OF THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, WHICH WILL BE FINISHED SHORTLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SO YOU ALL CAN SEE ON THAT SHORTLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
NEXT ITEM IS BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS.
UH, ROB, YOU KIND OF UPDATED US LAST TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES ON THAT? NO, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE MAKING A PRESENTATION TO SELL LOCO NEXT TUESDAY, THE 27TH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND, UM, IN ADDITION, LATS IS IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A CONSULTANT TO DO THE UPDATE OF THEIR LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND SO WE WILL BE, UM, COORDINATING CLOSELY WITH THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BIKE AND PEN PROJECTS GET IN INTO THAT PLAN AS WELL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS SEEING NONE? UH, THE NEXT ITEM I HAD WAS SOMETHING THAT STEVEN AGAIN HAD BROUGHT UP AND THAT'S A RECYCLING ISSUES AND, UM, UH, WE WERE SEEKING ASSISTANCE FROM THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY ON HERE FOR THAT.
SO, UM, WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THAT TALKED TO JULIANA YESTERDAY REGARDING PLASTIC BAGS, NOT RECYCLING, BUT PLASTIC BAGS.
I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE ON THAT, UM, WHERE YOU, SHE AND I TALKED ABOUT NOT TRYING TO, UH, POSSIBLY CHANGE OUR ORDINANCES UNTIL AFTER THE NEW YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID AND OTHER THINGS, BUT SHE'S GATHERING, THEY'RE GATHERING OTHER EXAMPLES OF HOW TO SOLVE, NOT NECESSARILY SOLVE, BUT HOW TO OUT OF MAYBE CLEAN UP A FEW THINGS IN OUR ORDINANCES REGARDING THE PLASTIC BAGS, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING PLACES LIKE, UM, THE LARGE, THE LARGE BOX STORES, UH, NOT WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, THEIR EMPLOYEES WILL NOT PUT ITEMS IN BAGS.
YOU BRING FROM HOME, YOU HAVE TO BAG IT YOURSELF, WHICH IS FINE, BUT, UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE ENCOURAGING THE USE OF THE PLASTIC BAGS VERSUS A REUSABLE BAG.
SO SHE'S GOT SOME IDEAS ON THAT AND, AND SHE'S GETTING SOME DIFFERENT, UM, CHANGES TO ORDINANCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO INCLUDE UP IN THE CHARLESTON AREA.
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THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR ORDINANCES SINCE THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED THEM TO START OFF WITH.SO, BUT WE'RE THINKING, UM, JANUARY TIMEFRAME BEFORE WE EVEN TALK ABOUT IT, IF THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THAT'S NOT RECYCLING.
THAT'S JUST THE PLASTIC BAG SITUATION.
THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, TOO.
I DON'T KNOW, CITY OF BW FOR MOST OF THE PLACES I GO, UM, STILL ALLOW YOU TO RECYCLE THEY'LL THEY'LL BAG STUFF INTO WHATEVER YOU BRING IN.
SO I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, I THINK HAS BEEN MORE OF AN ISSUE AT THE, UM, LARGE, LARGER RETAIL STORES AND SOME OF THE GROCERY STORES ARE USING PLASTIC BAGS INSTEAD OF PAPER BAGS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TIME GOES ON.
UH, NEXT ITEM WAS A CONSOLIDATION OF THE REGIONAL VERSUS COMMUNITY PARKS.
UM, AND THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MEETING SET UP BETWEEN THE, UH, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND CITY MANAGERS.
UH, DID THAT EVER HAPPEN YET? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE IT HAS NOT.
UM, CAN YOU ALL, UH, JUST BRING ME UP TO SPEED ON THAT SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS AS TO WHAT THE ISSUE WAS THERE.
UM, AS YOU, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, I'M DRINKING FROM MY, UH, A BIG FIRE HOSE RIGHT NOW, BUT A LOT OF FLOWS.
SO I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET ON TOP OF EVERYTHING.
SO ANYWAY, WHAT WAS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDED TO MEET WITH THE CITY ON? WELL, GO AHEAD.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS AND THAT IS, IS THERE MERIT SINCE THE COUNTY HAS A PARK'S FEE? UM, WHETHER WE SHOULD LOOK IN ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS AS TO WHETHER THERE ARE PARKS THAT SERVE A REGIONAL, RATHER THAN A NEIGHBORHOOD, OR SIMPLY UNIQUE TO THE CITY OR MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY PURPOSE.
IN OTHER WORDS, NOT PARK IT PARKS, BUT SOME OF THE LARGER PARKS AND, AND AS, AS RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS, UM, IS, IS IMPROVING SOME OF THEIR PARKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE A REGIONAL ASSET AND SHOULD THAT NOT COME UNDER A FUNDING MECHANISM LIKE A PARK, LIKE A PARKS FEE.
ROB WOULD BE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND I THINK IT SORT OF FELL APART BECAUSE WE HAD TROUBLE DEFINING WHAT, WHAT WAS REGIONAL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I THINK YOU DID AT ONE POINT, GOSH, THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, UH, WOULDN'T TONY CRYSTAL TELE WAS HERE TO START BUILDING A LIST.
BUT I THINK THE, THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT, I MEAN, FOR BUFORD'S POINT OF VIEW, EVERY, EVERYBODY HAS A PARK THAT HAS A REGIONAL DRAW.
UM, FROM BUFORD'S POINT OF VIEW, THE WATERFRONT PARK IS, UH, CERTAINLY A REGIONAL ASSET THAT WE SPEND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MIKE, BUT CLOSE TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR ON MAINTAINING.
AND MIGHT THAT BE BETTER FIT UNDER A SYSTEM OF LARGER, UH, UH, CRYSTAL LAKE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE THEY'RE DESTINATION PARKS THAT REALLY ARE, ARE MORE COUNTY-WIDE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAPPEN TO BE WITHIN A MUNICIPALITY.
IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR, A FAIR STATEMENT? ROBERT BOB ROB.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I'M BRAMPTON.
PERHAPS WE HAVE A DEFINITION THAT WAS DEFINED IN OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WE'RE JUST DOING AN UPDATE BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED IN IDENTIFY NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND REGIONAL PARKS AND THE SERVICE EXCITABLE SERVICE LEVELS FOR THAT.
SO WE CAN, UH, COORDINATE A MEETING WITH EVERYONE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD BE A MEETING THAT WOULD BE ALL MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY AND NOT JUST IN THE NORTHERN AREA, OR WOULD YOU PREFER MAYOR, WOULD YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO A NORTHERN MEETING AND A SOUTHERN MEETING ON THIS TOPIC? UM, RIGHT.
WE'LL GET THOSE DEFINITIONS DOWN, BUT WE'LL COORDINATE A MEETING,
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UH, WITH, WITH, UH, THE NORTHERN MUNICIPALITIES AND THEN ALSO THE SOUTHERN MUNICIPALITIES.SO WE CAN START DISCUSSING THAT ISSUE.
NOW IT'S GOOD TIMING FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CURRENT IMPACT, THE UPDATE THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, SARAH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING REGIONAL, NOT, NOT TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS, BUT TO HAVE ONE MAYBE SINCE IT'LL TAKE THE WHOLE COUNTY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTY WIDE ISSUE, JUST MY THOUGHT.
IT'S NOT JUST DEFINING WHAT ARE REGIONAL PARKS, BUT ALSO HAVING EVERYBODY AGREE TO EXACTLY WHAT THE PARTS ARE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CLASSIFY AS REGIONAL PARKS.
SO THAT, SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD UNDERSTANDING, NOT ONLY OF THE DEFINITION, BUT EXACTLY WHAT PARKS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION, UM, THAT HAS BECOME A REGIONAL PARK FOR ANY DOG LOVERS.
SO PEOPLE FROM LADY'S ISLAND ARE THERE EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, AND I WOULD SAY PORT ROYAL HILLS PARK NEAR THE NAVAL HOSPITAL BECAUSE OF THE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET HAS BECOME A REGIONAL ASSET TOO.
AND THEN FEDERALLY PART THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WE'LL GET THAT COORDINATED, BILLY.
UM, IS, IS THE PORT ROYAL STORMWATER SYSTEM, WHICH IS A FABULOUS EDUCATIONAL, UH, RESOURCE, WHICH I WOULD SEE AS HAVING A REGIONAL, A REGIONAL IMPACT TOO.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S WON ALL SORTS OF AWARDS, CYPRUS, CYPRUS WETLANDS IS.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ASSET.
I MEAN, IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT.
UH, MOVING FORWARD THEN, UH, WE HAD KICKED OFF, UH, THE CONSOLIDATION OF FIRE SERVICES DOWN THE ROAD, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE, WANT TO BE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, BUT KEEPING THAT ON THE LIST, IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK I HAVE THE GREEN, I'M SORRY.
UM, AND THEN JOE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UH, UTILITY POLLUTION, UH, AND BRING US UP TO SPEED AT THIS MEETING.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN UPDATE FROM JOE? NO.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT, WE'LL CARRY THAT ON INTO THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND THEN A DETERMINATION OF DIRECTION OF GROWTH DEVELOPMENT AND COORDINATION OF THE MASTER PLANS.
AND THAT'S JUST REALLY A COORDINATION ISSUE BETWEEN, UH, UH, ROBIN AND DAVE.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU GUYS WERE COORDINATING YOUR MASTER PLANS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, AND, UH, SO FAR I'M NOT SURE WHERE AT A POINT WE INTEND TO, TO COORDINATE, BUT, UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO A POINT ON OURS AS FAR AS PROGRESSION TO MAKE IT VALUABLE.
WE HAVE A BIT OF A TIMING ISSUE.
THE COUNTY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A DRAFT PLAN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND I THINK THE CITY OF MISTAKEN YOUR YEAR, JUST KIND OF GETTING KICKED OFF RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'RE ON THE PROCESS OF DOING OUR FINISHING OUR CURRENT ASSESSMENTS AND WE'VE CONSOLIDATED GOALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YEAH, NOTHING YET THAT WE COULD BE ANY VALUE TO LIKE SHARE YET.
AND I THINK THERE PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS TO COMPARE, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE SAME PROCESS OF DEVELOPING SOME GENERAL GOALS.
SO THEN THEY'LL LEAD TO VERY SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION STEPS AND MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TOUCH BASE.
BUT TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, MIKE, I WAS, UH, I, UH, ATTENDED ONE, I GUESS, ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND THAT WAS HELPFUL TO ME TO SEE THE COUNTY WAS GOING
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AND HOW THEY'RE APPROACHING IT.AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE DOING THAT UNTIL WE'RE READY TO KIND OF LIKE SHARE.
AND I THINK IN PARTICULAR THAT REALLY ADDRESSES A BIG ISSUE OF GROWTH BOUNDARIES.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT AT THIS TIME, IF I COULD IS WE'RE HAVING A, SOME COMP PLAN WORKSHOPS NEXT WEEK, WE'RE HAVING TWO IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
IF YOU ALL COULD ASSIST US IN GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR THOSE, THE ONE ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27TH WILL BE HELD AT THE BURTON WALES, UH, CENTER AT ONE MIDDLETON RECREATION DRIVE.
IT STARTS AT FOUR O'CLOCK, IT'S AN OPEN HOUSE FORMAT.
IT'LL BE JUST FOR A DROP IN A FLOAT BETWEEN FOUR AND 8:00 PM.
THEN ON WEDNESDAY EVENING, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING AT THE BUCK WATER RECREATION CENTER, UH, IN BLUFFTON, UH, SAME TIME, FOUR TO EIGHT, STILL OPEN HOUSE FORMAT.
SO FOLKS CAN DROP IN AND IT'S CONVENIENT.
AND THEN ON THURSDAY EVENING, THE 29TH, WE'RE DOING THE SAME, SAME TIMES FOUR TO EIGHT.
THAT'LL BE HELD AT THE ZELLE COMMUNITY HOUSE AT THE PENN CENTER OUT ON ST.
SO IF YOU ALL COULD HELP US GET THE WORD OUT TO THAT TO FOLKS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
Y'ALL MAY HAVE ALREADY GONE OVER THAT.
UM, THEN THE LAST THING HERE, WHILE YOU'RE ON THE LINE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND INVITE A TOOL AND, UM, UH, DAN RYAN TO ADDRESS, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU STILL DOING IN THE FUTURE? I HAVE A MEETING SET UP WITH MR. O'TOOLE AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND WE'LL HAVE, TRY TO HAVE HIM HOME FOR THE MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UM, SO WE'RE OFF OUR PRIORITIES PRIORITIZE LIST, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM THEY'D LIKE TO, UH, BRING, BRING UP OR PUT ON THAT LIST.
UM, I WOULD, UM, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT FOR NOW, BUT I THINK THE CITY OF BUFORD AND THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL HAD BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE, THE WORKINGS OF THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE APPOINTMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, W WHEN WE, WE WERE SO EXCITED AND AGAIN, ROB IS THE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY HERE WHEN WE WERE SO EXCITED ABOUT PASSING AFTER FIVE YEARS, THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN, AND IT APPEARED TO BE WORKING, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND I THINK I PUSHED IT AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS WOULD BE FREED COUNTY COUNCIL SOUTH OF THE BROAD OPPOSED IT, BECAUSE IT HAVE IMPLEMENTATIONS, IT MIGHT HAVE INADVERTENT IMPLEMENTATIONS ON WHAT THEY DO WE WERE DOING.
BUT ANYWAY, WE DID PASS AND CREATE THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION WITH TWO MINUTES MEMBERS FROM PORT ROYAL, TWO MEMBERS FROM THE CITY OF BUFORD AND TWO APPOINTED BY COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO OUR FEELING AND OUR CITY MANAGER'S DONE SO RESEARCH, UM, IS THAT THE CONCEPT WAS TO HAVE A SORT OF SEAMLESS TRANSITIONS BETWEEN URBAN AND RURAL OR AREAS WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES VERSUS, UM, AREAS THAT, UH, WOULD BE IN, IN, IN THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES WITH CERTAIN, UH, DIRECTION ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND THEN ANOTHER DIRECTION ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT, BUT COULD SOON BE B, UH, COULD SOON BE, UH, COULD BECOME PART OF THE CITY.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S A COMMON FEELING, UH, MIKE'S HERE, JERRY'S HERE, UH, TO SPEAK UP TO IT, BUT THERE'S SORT OF A FEELING THAT THE MPC IS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON THE PORT ROYAL PROJECTS AND THE BUFORD PROJECTS, BUT NONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT SURROUND OR WITHIN OUR GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND, UH, THAT REALLY DOESN'T GET TO THE INTENT.
AND, AND IF THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, AND IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE THAT THAT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO REVISIT THE, UH,
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THE, THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION IN TERMS OF IT'S, IT'S DOING WHAT WAS INTENDED.UM, THE SECOND MPC ISSUE IS THE QUESTION IS THAT WE THREW IT TOGETHER SO QUICKLY.
UH, NO ONE CAN REALLY FIND ANY DOCUMENTATION.
I THINK WE HAVE ITS MISSION, BUT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES.
AND NOW WE FACE, UM, AS MIKE KNOWS, IS CHAIRMAN OF THE MPC, A LAWSUIT, AND IT'S A LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST THE CITY, BUT THE COMPLAINT IS AGAINST THE MPC.
SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, OR IF IT GOES TO COURT, THE FIRST STEP IS MEDIATION, BUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
UM, HAVE YOU, IS THAT SINCE EACH OF US APPOINT MEMBERS, WE'RE A PARTNER AND THIS, UM, AND THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT JUST FALL ON THE CITY, UM, BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO NEGOTIATE, UH, JUST W WOULD BE ONLY ABLE TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE CITY RATHER THAN ALL OF, ALL OF THE PARTNERS IN IT.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AND IF WE PROCEED WITH IT, WHICH I THINK WE'D ALL LIKE TO DO, BUT IF WE PROCEED WITH IT GETTING SOME CLARITY IN TERMS OF RIGHTS, RESPONSIBILITIES, OBLIGATIONS, UM, AND, AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S SPOKEN TO THE FORMER, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S FORMER YET, BUT FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THIS, WHO, WHO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE COUNTY REALLY IS PART OF THIS.
DAVID, YOU MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, OR JERRY MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, OR MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO DISCUSS TODAY, PARTICULARLY, BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE, IF WE PROCEED, WHICH I THINK WE ALL WANT TO, WITH THE MPC, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO CLARIFY IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT IT DOES.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, UH, WHAT OUR ACCOUNTABILITY IS AS PARTNERS IN THIS PROCESS.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT, MIKE AND DAVID AND JERRY? NO, I, I AGREE, MAYOR, LIKEWISE, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ONE ISSUE CONCERNING METRO, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, WE, UH, DOCUMENTED EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION FOR REASON WITHIN THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE NATURAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND WE HAVE BROUGHT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE REASONINGS TO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS, IS SHARING OUR RELEVANT PROJECTS WITH METRO.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE AND IN DOCUMENTATION OF ACTIONS, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU.
I THINK ROB, I THINK SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE, I THINK THEIR EXPECTATIONS WERE PROBABLY, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOUR SUBDIVISION APPROVALS DON'T GO TO PLANNING COMMISSIONS.
AND SO I THINK PEOPLE SAW SOME THINGS COMING FROM PORT ROY OR, OR THE, OR THE CITY AND SIMILAR THINGS WERE COMING FROM THE COUNTY.
THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR ORDINANCE IS DIFFERENT.
YOUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T SEND THOSE THINGS TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY THOUGHT THERE.
THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COME.
MAYBE ROB YOU, YOU AND DAVID HAD CLARIFY THIS BY COMPARING AND RECONCILING YOUR LIST.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE AND I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, SO MA MAYBE WE COULD, WE COULD CLARIFY THAT.
I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN SOME SUBDIVISION PLANS, BUT I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO LET ME JUST RECONCILED OUR LIST.
MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE WE'RE WRONG.
I MEAN, I, I'M THE LEAD STAFF PERSON TO MAKE SURE THINGS NATURAL AND I WENT AND DOUBLE CHECK JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
SO I THINK THAT THE MISUNDERSTANDING MAY BE NATURE.
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I'LL, I'LL PUT IT ON OUR AGENDAS FOR DISGUISE, UH, IN OUR NEXT MONTHLY MEETING.AND ROB, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, GIVE US A SUMMARY UPDATE AT THAT TIME AND A WEEKEND, AT LEAST OPEN THE DISCUSSION NEXT TIME, WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO THEN GO INTO MORE OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, THAT CAN BE DECIDED.
UM, I, THE ONLY INPUT THAT I HAVE, UH, RELATIVE TO SOME OF THAT ISSUE IS THAT THE, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT THE COUNTY HAS APPOINTED TO THE MPC HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY VALUABLE AND, UH, HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB FOR ALL THREE OF OUR, UH, GROUPS, UH, BOTH THE COUNTY, THE CITY AND THE TOWN, UH, AND HAVE, UH, UH, UH, FUCKED IT, EVERY ONE OF THE ISSUES BEFORE THEM, UH, WITH, UH, WITH, WITH AS THOUGH IT'S THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND THE IMPACT ON THE METROPOLITAN AREA, NOT INDIVIDUALLY.
SO I APPRECIATE THEIR ASSISTANCE AND HELP WHILE I, AND, AND MY COMMENT MIKE WAS NOT ABOUT THE MEMBERS.
NO, I TOTALLY UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS, WOULD BE IMPORTANT JUST TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE APPRECIATED THEIR ASSISTANCE AND, AND INVOLVEMENT.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO BRING? SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, AND THAT WILL BE ROBBED THE FILL ORDINANCE.
WE'VE KIND OF COVERED THAT, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
UH, SO GO AHEAD AND UPDATE US.
I HAVE IT HERE ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ANY PARTICULAR PART OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, THAT BASICALLY, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION COMING FROM THE LADIES ISLANDS PLAN.
UM, WE SET UP A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE PHIL ORDINANCE AND THE, UM, SEA LEVEL RISE OVERLAY, WHICH WE'RE CALLING THE COASTAL RESILIENCE OVERLAY, BUT WE'VE BEEN REALLY ADDRESSING ISSUES RELATED TO SEA LEVEL RISE AND FLOODING.
UM, WE NOW HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE, UM, AND WE FEEL THAT IT'S BEEN FAIRLY VETTED.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INPUT FROM BUILDERS, FROM, UH, SURVEYORS, FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH ISSUES OF FILL ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS EVERY, I GUESS, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, UM, LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL INTENT, WHICH WAS TO AVOID A SITUATION IN THE FUTURE, SIMILAR TO THE WALMART AND LADY'S ISLAND, WHERE THE LANDSCAPE IS DUE TO BRINGING IN A FIELD, TO BRING AN AREA THAT'S REALLY LOW LYING, UM, TO BRING IT UP TO BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN GO INTO DETAILS OF THE ORDINANCE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, OR, OR I CAN ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS, HEARING NONE.
UM, ROB, I HAVE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST, UH, LADIES ISLAND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE THAT, UH, WERE VOTED ON, UH, TO ADD TO YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, I I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THOSE INTO THERE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THEM NOW, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
IF YOU GO DOWN TO A 5.1, 3.20 FILL RESTRICTIONS, AND YOU GO TO ITEM B ON THAT, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS, UH, THAT WE WANTED TO PUT IN THERE.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, AS YOU READ THE ONLY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT MAY BE FILLED IN THE AREA UNDERNEATH THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE TOGETHER WITH DRIVEWAY AND WALKWAY ACCESS.
SO ADDING THE WORD AND WALKWAY ACCESS.
SO WE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A WALKWAY WITH THE DRIVEWAY ON THAT.
THE NEXT MODIFICATION IS RIGHT UNDER, THAT IS A FIELD SHELL TAPER AT A MAXIMUM SLOPE OF
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ONE TO THREE FROM THE OUTER.AND THEN, UH, WE HAD SUGGESTED THEN INSERT A SIDE, FLIPS PERIMETER, THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE EXISTING ELEVATION.
UH, BASICALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS ALLOWS, UH, FOR THAT TAPER TO HAPPEN A LITTLE BIT OF WEIGHT, UM, THE FOUNDATION, UH, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER FOR CONSTRUCTION AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO GET OTHER PATHWAYS AND LANDSCAPING UP AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND I REMEMBER THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT MAKES SENSE.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT? YEAH.
UM, THANK YOU, ROB, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS EMANATED, I THINK WITH EVERYBODY AGREEING THAT IT WAS WORTH PURSUING, I'M FOLLOWING UP WITH, WITH THIS GROUP AND REALLY ONE OF THE PRODUCTS, POSITIVE PRODUCTS OF THE LADY'S ISLAND PLANNING PROCESS.
UM, AND I HAVE NOT STUDIED THIS OR TALK TO MY COLLEAGUES OR TALK TO DAVID OR TALK TO OUR ENGINEERS A LOT OBSERVATION.
HOWEVER, THIS MAY BE A CASE WHERE ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.
AND I CAN THINK OF SOME SITUATIONS WHERE IF THERE IS AN IN PLACE STORM WATER SYSTEM, AND SOMEONE BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT LOWER THAN ITS NEIGHBORS AND IS BECOMING A I DON'T, I, I PULL UPON THEM IN MANY WAYS.
UM, IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO RAISE IT TO WHATEVER LEVEL THOSE OTHER PROJECTS ARE.
UM, IF SOMEONE BUYS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS CERTAINLY BELOW THE ELEVATION, BUT TO BRING IT OUT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE GRADE AND INTEGRATED INTO A, INTO A STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT EXISTS, OR IS IN PROCESS SOME OF THIS, WHICH WOULD, WOULD LOOK THAT IN, I THINK IT WOULD BE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE AND NOT THEM ALLOW THEM TO USE THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE FINAL IS, IS A PLACE LIKE THE COMMERCE PARK, WHERE WE KNOW THERE ARE LITTLE AREAS WHERE THERE CAN BE MITIGATION TO ON OUR SITE TO BE A COMPLETE SITE.
UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THE WALMART, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF TOO MUCH, UM, AND WE START, WE STARTED WITH THEM.
I THINK THAT THE JURISDICTION BY JURISDICTION, DEPENDING ON PROXIMITY TO WATER, DEPENDING ON UNDER THE NATURAL WATERS WHERE WATER COULD FLOW, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME CONTRADICTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVEN'T STUDIED IT THAT WELL.
UM, UM, W WE LIKE ONE, THE ONE HAND, ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE ORDINANCE THAT FITS ALL.
IT CERTAINLY MAKES IT EASIER, MORE SIMPLE, MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, UM, AS IN WEARING MASKS.
UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THERE, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE ARTWORK TOPOGRAPHY OF PORT ROYAL, YOU'VE HEARD HILTON HEAD BLUFFTON, UNINCORPORATED AREAS MAY REQUIRE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TREATMENTS.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ONLY TO SAY THAT I THINK FROM THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, THEY WILL NOT PERSONAL QUERY WILL BE AS TO ONE AS TO WHETHER ONE SIZE DOES FIT ALL.
IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF THE COMMERCE PART IN ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MENTION THAT IT SAYS THIS ONLY APPLIES TO AREAS AT 10 FEET OR BELOW A C LEVEL.
SO I BELIEVE THAT COMMERCE PARK IS AS WELL ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER, UM, FURTHER DOWN
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IN THE DOCUMENT.I HAVEN'T HIGHLIGHTED WHERE
SO IN THE CASE OF THE CITY, THEY MAY WANT TO, UM, NOT, NOT APPLY TO DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE AREA THAT IS IN ELEVATION.
UM, AND THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, THEY MAKE ONE TO ACCESS THE PORT PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY SEE THIS AS WORKING COUNTER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS SOME LEGAL ROOM AND THE ABILITY FOR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO, TO PROVIDE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
I DID PUT A CIRCLE AND A QUESTION ROUND AROUND THAT.
AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT I THOUGHT WE MIGHT DO IS IF YOU AGREE, IS A COMPANY CAN LOOK AT HOW OUR INFILL ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, WE DISCOURAGE IT, BUT THEN WE DO ALLOW IT IF, IF THE DEMONSTRATE NO ADVERSE EFFECT AND NO CHANGES TO, UH, FLOOD WATERS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I THINK WE'VE MAYBE JUST DIDN'T DO IT THAN OURS AND THEN READ THE ONE THAT ROB'S DONE.
AND, AND THEN, UH, SO WE CAN KIND OF BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD.
UM, I HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, ONE OTHER MODIFICATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, IT'S UNDER, UH, FIVE DASH ONE, THREE DASH TWO ZERO AND IT'S ITEM L THREE, AND IT STATES SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES UTILIZING RAISED SLABS.
A CURTAIN WALL MAY CONTAIN MORE THAN THREE FEET OF FILL IF IT IS LIMITED TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING INSERT, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER SLAPPED WITH MACE VERY CONCRETE CURTAIN WALL, UH, THERE'LL BE A RETAINING WALL ONCE YOU GET THREE FEET OR MORE, UM, SENSE TO, UH, MAKE THAT EITHER MASONRY OR CON UH, CONCRETE.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER AD THAT, UH, UH, INCLUDE WITH THAT DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MY ONLY LAST COMMENT AND MY IS IN ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT SAYS PERMITTED UPON APPROVAL BY THE DIRECTOR WHO IS THE DIRECTOR.
WELL, WE WROTE THIS TO FIT IN OUR ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE I HOPE TO MEET WITH, UM, DAVE PER SHARD AND LINDA BRIDGES TO IN OUR CASE THAT USUALLY THAT, THAT ALWAYS APPLIES TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CASE OF THE CITY, YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 13, COASTAL RESILIENCE OVERLAY DISTRICT ROB.
UM, THIS IS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT APPLIES THAT THIS IS BASICALLY COMING FROM THE LADY'S ISLAND PLAN.
THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADOPT A SEA LEVEL RISE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, WE, WE CHANGED THE NAME TO COASTAL RESILIENCE STEP.
THAT SEEMS TO BE A KIND OF AN INDUSTRY ACCEPTANCE, UH, TERMINOLOGY.
UM, AND THIS APPLIES TO AREAS THAT 10 FEET OR LOWER IN ELEVATION.
AND IT IS SIMPLY AT THIS POINT, UM, A DISCLOSURE OR NOTIFICATION REQUIRED WHEN REAL ESTATE IS TRANSFERRED.
AND SO MOST OF THE, THE LANGUAGE IN HERE HAS TO DO WITH A STATEMENTS THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY OR WHEN LAND IS SUBDIVIDED A COMPANY, THE PLANT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CONSISTS OF.
AND IT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE REQUIRE WITHIN THE CORDOVA RELATE DISTRICTS AROUND THE AIR STATION.
I NOTICED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU HAD POINT TO TALKING WITH THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY, HAS THAT HAPPENED OR HAS THIS BEEN SHARED WITH THEM? NO, NOT YET.
KIND OF ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE THIS MORNING IS WHAT YOU FELT WERE GOOD NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING
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AT COORDINATED.WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A COMFORT LEVEL WITH THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THOSE STANDARDS, THE STATE, OBVIOUSLY I THINK DAVE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THIS JUST TO REVIEW THE ELEMENTS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY DOVETAIL OURS AND THAT COASTAL RESILIENCE, I LOOK VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE NEED TO GET BY REALTOR COMMUNITY WITH REFERENCE TO THE, TO THE, UM, THE AREA WHERE YOU OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO FAIL, TO DO IT.
SO, UM, FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY, THEY NEED TO BE VESTED AND, AND ENGAGED IN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH ALL THEIR TRANSACTIONS.
UM, I, I, ERIC, I THINK, I MEAN, ROB, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
THIS IS, THIS IS CERTAINLY WHAT I ANTICIPATED WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I WOULD ASK MIKE OR DAVE ONE QUESTION, AND THAT IS, AS WE'VE LOOKED AT AND DISCUSSED THE FLOOD MAPS THE OTHER DAY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 13 FEET.
AND, AND HOW, IF AT ALL, WOULD THAT AFFECT THIS WITH THE NEW FLOOD MAPS? YOU MEAN? UM, I THINK LIKE THE STANDARDS THAT WE LOOK LIKE, WE PLAN TO ADOPT IN THE CITY WITH REFERENCE TO MAINTAINING OUR FLOOD LEVELS THAT THE 10 FOOT AND LESS IS PROBABLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE POINT BY WHICH WE NEED TO TAKE PLACE.
UM, DAVE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT FEELINGS ABOUT THAT.
AND MAYBE BRUCE BE A BETTER PERSON TO ASK THAT QUESTION FROM OUR STANDPOINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
I JUST THOUGHT IT, PUT IT OUT THERE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, HOW AT A FIGURE THAT MAY BE HIGHER THAN 10 FEET.
PART OF THE RATIONALE BETWEEN ABOUT CHOOSING 10 FEET IS THAT WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION AND IT'S STILL NOT CLEAR WHICH STEPS EACH LOCAL JURISDICTION MAY TAKE IN RESPONSE TO THE NEW FEMA MAPS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF WE REQUIRE TWO FEET OR THREE FEET OF FREE BOARDS, THAT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF FILL THAT PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BRING IN ON THEIR PROPERTY IF YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 10 FEET OR BELOW OR AT 10 FEET OF, OKAY.
UM, ABOVE SEA LEVEL REALLY BEGINS TO IMPACT PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOWER THAN THAT, BECAUSE THEN ADDITIONAL FILL NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN TO BRING THEM UP TO THE REQUIRED BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS FREE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT REALLY, UM, IMPACTS PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOWER THAN THAT TENANCY IN REALLY ADDRESSES THOSE THERE'S VERY LOW LYING PROPERTIES.
I THINK, I THINK THE BASIS OF BOTH THE ORDINANCES GIVE US THE, THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE NEED.
I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE THEM FROM HERE AND THEN LET OUR COUNCILS LOOK AT HOW WE DOVETAIL OURS INTO THAT.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES WITH REFERENCE TO THE COUNTY SIDE, FROM OUR PORT, WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS THAT AS AN, AS AN AMENDMENT FOLLOWING IT OR BEFORE THE ORDINANCES ARE SOLIDIFIED.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND, UM, WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE STAFF OF THE CITY AND, AND, AND WE CAN KIND OF COMPARE NOTES AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE.
SO FROM THE ACTUAL ENDPOINT, WE CAN MOVE, WE CAN MOVE THE PAST WITH WORKING WITH THE TOWNS AND THE CITIES.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THESE FORWARD.
I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT WITH, WITH THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE ADDED TO, I HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION HEARING, NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, MOVING US FORWARD.
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OKAY.ROBERT, WE LEGAL, OR DO WE HAVE A CORE ON HERE? ERIC? IS IT FOR ME? SIX OUT OF 12 IS A QUORUM.
AND I THINK WE HAD A SIX MEMBER UNANIMOUS DECISION TO MOVE, SO THANK YOU, ROB.
UM, NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE 2021, UH, NRP.
AND I GUESS IT'S THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET? DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY, UH, UH, PROBLEMS WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PRESENTED? NO, I'D SAY IT LOOKS FINE IF THIS WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT SAID WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION ON APPROVAL OF THE SCHEDULE.
ALICE HOWARD LEFT, AND SO WE ONLY HAVE FIVE OF OUR MEMBERS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT EMOTION TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR CORAL.
AND I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE CAN'T, UH, APPROVE THE SCHEDULE.
SO WE'LL UNOFFICIALLY APPROVE THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE'LL MOVE THAT OVER TO, SO THE NEXT THING AS WELL, ANY ROUND TABLE COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION HEARING? NONE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NEW OR OTHER BUSINESS? NO, BUT I WROTE REMINDING THE CHAIRMAN THAT WE HAD MOVED AT ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS LATER IN THE MEETING IN CASE ANYTHING CAME UP.
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM ONLINE THAT ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS REALLY RELEVANT TO THE AGENDA.
THERE WAS A, THE WONDERING WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE MASK ORDINANCE, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
WHERE ARE YOU HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT? BUT I DON'T KNOW.
SO ROB, THE NEXT MEETING, DO YOU HAVE THAT? UH, NOVEMBER THE 20TH IS THE NEXT MEETING.
JUST TO CLARIFICATION AS THE THIRD, FRIDAY OF NOVEMBER, BECAUSE THE FOURTH IS THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
SO IT'S GOING TO COME UP A LOT SOONER THAN BEFORE WE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT, SO NOW I ASKED FOR A MOTION FOR A GERMAN.
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AMY IS ONE OF THE OLDEST FORMS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE UNITED STATES EARLY SETTLERS FROM ENGLAND BROUGHT THE TRADITION OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO AMERICA.TODAY MORE THAN 3000 COUNTY GOVERNMENTS PROVIDE SERVICES THAT AFFECT ALMOST EVERY CITIZENS LIFE.
SOUTH CAROLINA'S 46 COUNTIES ARE VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS EVOLVED.
THE COUNTY UNIT IN SOUTH CAROLINA WAS REGARDED AS THE LOCAL EXTENSION OF STATE GOVERNMENT, BUT A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM MOVEMENT IN THE EARLY 1970S LED TO THE SOUTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW.
ALSO KNOWN AS THE HOME RULE ACT IN 1975, THE HOME RELAXED, GREATLY EXPANDED COUNTY AUTHORITY AND CHANGED THE OF COUNTY ORGANIZATION AND ADMINISTRATION TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, BE FOR COUNTY, WENT FROM HAVING A BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO A COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE 1975 COUNCIL INCLUDED CHAIRMAN ARTHUR HORN, VICE CHAIRMAN, GRADY THEMES, LEROY BROWN, GARY FORDHAM, WILLIAM GRANT, HARRIET KAISER LING, DAVID JONES, BILL MCBRIDE AND BOOKER WASHINGTON.
AS THE NEW COUNSEL SOUGHT TO DISTINGUISH ITSELF.
COUNCIL MEMBERS DESIRED AN OFFICIAL SYMBOL THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE JURISDICTIONS IDENTITY AND UNIQUE CHARACTER COUNCIL APPOINTED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO UNDERTAKE THE TASK AND CARRY OUT A CONTEST FOR THE BEST COUNTY SEAL DESIGN COUNSELING WAS A MEMBER OF KIND OF COUNSEL.
AND IT WAS HER IDEA BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IDENTIFY OUR BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL COUNTY.
WE MET THEN UP AT, UH, I THINK IT WAS A CAROLINA BANK AT SOME YEARS AGO, BACK THEN ON WEST STREET.
AND THEN WE PUT THEM IN PILES, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOOD, BAD, MAYBE UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT IT DOWN TO THE ONE THAT WE NOW USE COUNTY COUNCIL APPROVED THE SEAL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH REFLECTED THE COUNTY'S HISTORY, TRADITIONS AND NATURAL BEAUTY.
THE SEALS COLORS OF BLUE AND GREEN REPRESENT THE COLORS OF THE COUNTY'S OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT WITH ITS MANY WATERWAYS MARSHLANDS AND MARITIME FOREST.
THE FIVE IMAGES WITHIN THIS SEAL DEPICT SOME OF THE COUNTY'S DISTINGUISHING FEATURES, ANCIENT LIVE OAK TREES, THE SEAFOOD INDUSTRY, RICH NATURAL RESOURCES, AND A RARE MARINE ECOLOGY, LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE AND MILES OF RIVERS, CREEKS, AND INLAND.
I THOUGHT IT ENCOMPASSED WHAT, WHAT WE, AS A BODY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SEAL.
IT WOULD WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT AND JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT REALLY COVERS THE ASPECTS OF BUFORD COUNTY.
SO HE DID A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING TOGETHER THE THINGS THAT WE HOLD THERE AND WHAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT BUFORD COUNTY, COUNCILMAN BILL MCBRIDE WAS AN OFFICE WHEN THE CONTEST WAS HELD AND WAS PRESENT WHEN THE COMMITTEE REVEALED THE WINNING DESIGN.
I THINK COUNCIL WAS ECSTATIC ABOUT IT, THAT IF WE THOUGHT THAT THE, THE SLIM WAS ON THE SEAL REPRESENTED, UM, ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BUFORD COUNTY, THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE ORIGINAL ON DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WHERE YOU HAVE THE SHRIMP BOAT TODAY.
INITIALLY, THAT WAS A PLEASURE CRAFT, A SAILBOAT YACHT TYPE BOAT.
AND, UH, IT WAS CHANGED BY COUNTY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE SHRIMP BOAT WAS THE BETTER REPRESENTATION, UM, OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ASPECTS OF YOUTH AND KIND OF LAUGH BECAUSE YOU HAD OTHER THINGS ON THE SEAL THAT REPRESENT THE PLAYERS IN RECREATION, THE FISHING AND THE BEACH.
SO THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SHRIMP BOAT, WHICH WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF YOUTH GYNECOLOGIST SHRIMPING, ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME, BUT BE REFLECTED ON IT.
THE WINNER OF THE CONTEST WAS AN ARTIST FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
THE LATE LEE PAIN, HIS DESIGN WAS SELECTED FROM MORE THAN 126 CENTURIES SUBMITTED FROM AS FAR AWAY AS INDIANA AND TENNESSEE, HE WAS AWARDED $250 FOR HIS DESIGN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE CAPTURED THE LEGACY OF OUTDOOR BEAUTY CULTURE AND HISTORY THAT HELPED TO DEFINE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BUFORD COUNTY TO SEE MORE BEAVER COUNTY MOMENTS, GO TO THE BUFORD COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
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DR.TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINESS OF THE RESISTANCE.
WHY NOW 12 YEARS OF BLACK FREEDOM FOLLOWED BY AN ALT-RIGHT ROLLBACK PRESIDENT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO REFUSED TO RENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY, A CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT THAT EFFECTIVELY UNDID THE POWER OF THE 14TH AND 15TH AMENDMENTS.
WHAT'S IT SOUND LIKE CONTEMPORARY TIME, CONTEMPORARY TIMES.
SO IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT WE COULD TEACH OUR FELLOW CITIZENS IN AMERICA ABOUT THE PERILOUS MOMENT IN WHICH WE'RE LIVING BY ANALOGY, THROUGH TELLING THE STORY OF RECONSTRUCTION AND ITS ROLLBACK.
AND I FIRST STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT AFTER THE HORRIBLE MURDERS OF, UH, REVEREND CLEMENTA PINCKNEY AND THE OTHER INNOCENCE AT MOTHER EMANUEL CHURCH, BECAUSE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT DYLAN ROOF SUMMONED FOR HIS ACTIONS, UM, WERE VERY REMINISCENT OF RACIST RHETORIC ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE CIVIL WAR AND FOLLOWING RECONSTRUCTION.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HORROR MOVIE WHEN YOU THINK THAT THE VAMPIRES DID.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY COME UP OUT OF THE CASKET AND HE THINK, DAMN, I THOUGHT I PUT A STAKE IN YOUR HEART.
I THOUGHT THAT THE WORST AND MOST PERNICIOUS HEINOUS ASPECTS OF ANTI-BLACK WHITE SUPREMACY WERE LONG GONE.
AND THAT I WAS NAIVE ABOUT THAT.
AND WE'VE SEEN A RISE IN HATE SPEECH, ANTISEMITISM, ANTI-GAY ATTITUDES AND PEOPLE WHEN PEOPLE BECOME FRIGHTENED PARTICULARLY ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC FUTURE, THEY LOOK FOR SCAPEGOATS AND THE SCAPEGOATS TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN JEWISH PEOPLE, WOMEN GAY PEOPLE.
AND OF COURSE IN THIS COUNTRY, PEOPLE OF COLOR.
SO IT'S A, A MORAL, UH, LESSON, UM, LET'S SELL AND GO BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ROLLBACK TO RECONSTRUCTION.
RECONSTRUCTION IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF AMERICAN HISTORY, AND YET IT IS SO MISUNDERSTOOD.
WHY IS THAT? WHY IS IT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PERIOD AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANT? WELL, W E W E DUBOIS WROTE A BOOK IN 1935 CALLED BLACK RECONSTRUCTION.
AND ONE CHAPTER IS CALLED THE PROPAGANDA OF HISTORY AND HE ANALYZES HOW WHITE HISTORIANS HAD WRITTEN ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ROLLBACK TO CREATE A MYTH MYTHOLOGY, A BLACK INCOMPETENCE THAT BLACK MEN HAD BEEN ELECTED TO OFFICE AND COULDN'T PROPERLY SERVE THAT BLACK VOTERS HAD BEEN MANIPULATED BY NORTHERN SCALLYWAGS AND CARPET BAGGERS THAT BASICALLY THEY WERE TOOLS AND PAWNS THAT THEY WERE DISHONEST OF ROBERT SMALLS.
IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST HEROES OF THE CIVIL WAR AND RECONSTRUCTION SERVED FIVE NON-CONSECUTIVE TERMS IN CONGRESS BECAUSE HE WAS CONSTANTLY BEING ACCUSED OF STEALING MONEY AND MISAPPROPRIATING FUNDS.
THEY WERE, UM, THERE WAS A MYTHOLOGY SANCTIONED BY THE DISCIPLINE OF HISTORY, LOCATED AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY CALLED THE DUNNING SCHOOL LED BY HISTORIAN PROFESSOR DUNNING.
AND THEY FOUND EVERY WAY TO REDUCE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF BLACK PEOPLE.
AND THAT HAS ONLY BEEN UNDONE BY HISTORIAN SINCE DUBOIS PUBLIC'S BLACK RECONSTRUCTION, AND MOST NOTABLY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF ANOTHER COLUMBIA PROFESSOR, PROFESSOR ERIC FONER WITH WHOM WE MADE A RECONSTRUCTION SERIES.
PLUS WE HAVE OVER 40 HISTORIANS DOING MODERN, UM, CUTTING EDGE SCHOLARSHIP ON RECONSTRUCTION THAT WHOM WE FEATURE IN THE SERIES.
SO IT'S VERY MUCH A COLLECTIVE, UM, SERIES, AND IT'S VERY MUCH A COUNTERPOINT TO THE RECEIVED INTERPRETATIONS OF RECONSTRUCTION FABRICATED BY THE DUNNING SCHOOL.
WELL, FOR US, THE PHONER SCHOOL FOR US IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IT HAS A VERY SPECIAL MEANING.
WHY IS THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS SO PIVOTAL TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF RECONSTRUCTION.
CAROLINA WAS GROUND ZERO FOR RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT WAS A MAJORITY BLANK STATE.
THE, UM, THERE'S A FAMOUS 1872 LITHOGRAPH OF THE FIRST COLORED SENATOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
AND THREE OF THOSE MEN IN THAT
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LITHOGRAPH WERE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA.WHEN RICHARD T GREENER GRADUATED FROM HARVARD, THE FIRST BLACK MAN TO GRADUATE FROM HARVARD AND THE CLASS OF 1870.
WHERE WAS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY? WAS IT IN NEW YORK? WAS IT IN BOSTON? WAS IT IN PHILADELPHIA? CHARLESTON CAME TO CHARLESTON AND WENT TO, UH, COLUMBIA AND SERVED ON THE FACULTY, UM, AND TOOK LAW CLASSES THERE.
THE, A BLACK MAN FROM ENGLAND, FROM LIVERPOOL, ENGLAND, ROBERT BROWN ELLIOTT CAME TO BOSTON IN 1867.
THE BRITISH NAVY COULD SMELL THE OPPORTUNITY HEADED STRAIGHT TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND WORKED FOR RICHARD HARVEY.
CAIN'S NEWSPAPER THEN WAS ELECTED TO CONGRESS, VERY ELOQUENT, MAN.
THIS IS WHERE IT WAS HAPPENING.
AND WHEN I INTERVIEWED REPRESENTATIVE KLEIBERN HIS OFFICE IN CONGRESS? WELL, HE'S LONG BEEN A STUDENT OF RECONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A MUSEUM YOU GO IN THERE AND ALL THESE BROTHERS ARE ON THE WALL.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOUTH CAROLINA HAD A BLACK MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THAT NOW SOUTH CAROLINA, EVEN IN THE 18TH CENTURY, IT WAS CALLED NEGRO COUNTRY.
UM, AND VERY SOON THAT WAS DISMANTLED.
SO IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT MANY OF THE MOST VICIOUS BATTLES OVER RACE OCCURRED HERE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO CONTROL THIS BLACK MAJORITY.
I WENT TO CALHOUN COLLEGE AT YALE UNIVERSITY AND JOHN C. CALHOUN WAS AN INTELLECTUAL RACIST.
HE NOT ONLY WANTED SLAVERY TO CONTINUE, HE WANTED TO RESURRECT THE SLAVE TRADE.
HE WAS, HE WAS A ROUGH BROTHER.
WHAT DO YOU FEEL WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST SIGNIFICANT, UH, ASPECTS OF RECONSTRUCTION? THE REAL POSITIVES, THE ESTABLISHMENT, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF BLACK SOCIAL INSTITUTIONS, UM, PARTICULARLY THE CHURCHES, FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS, THE FACT THAT SO MANY OF THE SLAVES WANTED TO GET MARRIED AND LEGALIZE THEIR LOVER RELATIONSHIPS, THE, UM, THE TAKING OUT OF ADS IN NEWSPAPERS TO REUNITE FAMILIES AND THE FACT THAT 80% OF THE ELIGIBLE BLACK MEN IN THE SOUTH HAVE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN WHAT I CALL THE FIRST FREEDOM SUMMER, THE SUMMER OF 1867 AND 500,000 OF THEM CAST THEIR VOTES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION OF 1868 FOR ULYSSES S GRANT.
AND PEOPLE FORM SCHOOLS HISTORICALLY BLACK.
WHAT WE NOW CALL HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES LIKE SHAW AND HOWARD, BUT ELEMENTARY AND IN SOUTH CAROLINA, ALLEN BENEDICT AND CLAFLIN.
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT, THAT THE SLAVES HAD A HUNGER FOR LEARNING BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT THE MOST VALUABLE THING THAT HAD BEEN KEPT FOR THEM WAS KNOWLEDGE OF READING AND WRITING.
AND THEY KNEW THAT WAS THE PATHWAY TO SUCCESS.
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION GREW OUT OF THIS PERIOD AND PARTICULARLY, UH, WAS SPEARHEADED HERE IN OUR STATE, BY ROBERT SMALLS, RIGHT THERE WEREN'T PUBLIC STATEWIDE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND THE RECONSTRUCTION GOVERNMENTS, PARTICULARLY, UM, IN SOUTH CAROLINA IN PARTICULARLY AS DESIGNED BY ROBERT SMALLS, UM, ESTABLISHED STATEWIDE PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, WHICH HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE, WHICH IS A SHOCK TO PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF EDUCATION.
IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THOUGH, THAT THINGS LIKE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND CERTAINLY, UH, ENFRANCHISEMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ALL THESE POSITIVES THAT GREW OUT OF THE RECONSTRUCTION PERIOD ARE STILL UNDER ASSAULT IN MODERN TIMES.
AND IT'S, WE HAVE TO, UM, ANY SOCIETY IS JUDGED BY THE QUALITY OF ITS PUBLIC EDUCATION.
AND WE, AS AMERICANS SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED AT HOW WE'VE ALLOWED OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE POPULATED BY BRILLIANT TEACHERS ARE SO MOTIVATED, BUT THEY'RE UNDERPAID AND UNDER-RESOURCED, AND, UM, WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA THAT THE COLLAPSE OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS SOLELY IN THE HANDS OF THE CELL.
IT'S NO, THE COLLAPSE OF RECONSTRUCTION WAS A CONSPIRACY BETWEEN ECONOMIC INTERESTS AND POLITICAL INTERESTS IN THE NORTH.
AND IN THE SOUTH, THEY SAID 12 YEARS IS ENOUGH.
THERE WAS A PA ECONOMIC PANIC OF 1873, WHICH WAS CALLED THE FIRST GREAT DEPRESSION.
AND PEOPLE LOOKED AROUND AND SAID, WHY ARE WE SPENDING ALL THE MONEY ON THESE NEGROS IN THE SOUTH? LET THEM THRIVE.
AND THEY ACTED BARREL AS IF 200 YEARS OF SLAVERY COULD BE WIPED OUT WITH NO
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REPARATIONS WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, NO BENEFITS GIVEN NO 40 ACRES AND A MULE, NO HELP.UM, THAT EACH OF THESE PEOPLE WERE ON THEIR OWN.
NOT ONLY THAT NEW FORMS OF OPPRESSION WERE INSTITUTIONALIZED, THAT PEONAGE SHARECROPPING THE RISE OF THE KLAN, THE RISE OF THE COOK TERRORISM.
AND SO VERY MUCH A RECONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT ISSUES THAT STILL ROYAL OUR SOCIETY TODAY, WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A CITIZEN WHO HAS A RIGHT TO BE AN AMERICAN.
WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY? AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF TERRORISM IN THE HEALTHY FUNCTIONING OF A DEMOCRACY? WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE IN THE FACE OF THE MANIFESTATIONS OF TERRORISM? HOW CAN WE HAVE THIS VERY BLATANT, A REMINDER FROM 150 YEARS AGO AND NOT BE MINDFUL OF ITS IMPACT TODAY? THAT'S WHY DYLAN MCGEE AND I MADE THE SERIES AND WITH PBS, WE'LL GET, AND I AM ON THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, I FLEW DOWN TO BUFORD FROM HARVARD.
UH, I DID MY OFFICIAL DUTIES ON JUMPED ON JET BLUE AND CAME DOWN HERE BECAUSE I'M WANTING TO SOUTH CAROLINA SCREENING TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THIS IS GROUND ZERO, THAT THEN IS NOW, AND I WANT TO DO ONE IN CHARLESTON, AND I WANT TO DO ONE AT THE PENN CENTER, UH, AS WELL.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNTRY UNDERSTAND THAT WE MADE THIS SERIES ABOUT THE CURRENT RACIAL CLIMATE IN THE UNITED STATES, THOUGH.
IT'S THROUGH THE MIRROR AND THE ANALOGY OF RECONSTRUCTION AND IT'S ROLLED BACK CALLED REDEMPTION.
WHAT IS THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS FOR YOU FOR THIS SERIES? UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT RECONSTRUCTION MODULES.
I WANT RECONSTRUCTION MODULES TO BE CREATED IN THE CLASSROOM.
SO THAT RECONSTRUCTION IS AS CENTRAL TO A COURSE IN AMERICAN HISTORY AS A CIVIL WAR IS OR WORLD WAR ONE AND WORLD WAR II RECONSTRUCTION WAS OUR FIRST EXPERIMENT WITH INTERRACIAL DEMOCRACY AND IT WAS CRUSHED.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO SURVIVE AS A SOCIETY IS IF WE FASHIONED FORUMS OF INTERRACIAL DEMOCRACY AND COLLABORATION THAT ALLOW A MULTIPLICITY OF VOICES, SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, ET CETERA, GENDER IDENTITIES, TO THRIVE AND LIVE IN HARMONY AND PEACE.
THAT'S MY GOAL IN CREATING THIS SERIES AND I HOPE PEOPLE WILL WATCH IT.
I CAN TALK TO YOU ALL DAY, ALWAYS IN PLEASURE.
SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS IN BUFORD COUNTY HAVE BEEN WORKING TO COMBAT HOMELESSNESS, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO HELP PLEASE CALL (843) 521-3153 IT'S TIME.
WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO END HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COUNTY.