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WELCOME TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION COMMITTEE MEETING.

THIS IS A MEETING OF THE AD HOC SELF EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC JUST STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE WORLD, YOU MAY BE SEATED AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA PROBABLY REVIEWED.

WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR CALIBER 22ND, 2020, OR THE AD HOC EVALUATION COMMITTEE APPROVES THE AGENDA.

SECOND, THE MOTION

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ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ALRIGHT.

THREE PERSON IS ABSENT ABSENTEE NUMBER.

SHE DIDN'T SAY SHE WAS GOING TO BE HERE AND NO, I HAD NOT HEARD FROM HER.

YOU MIGHT BE TRAVELING HERE TO THE DISTRICT OFFICE TO PICK UP HER PACKET.

OH, YOUR COMPANY SHOULD BE HERE AT NOON TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE MEETING THEN THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

THERE IS NONE.

SO WE MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, OCTOBER NINE, MOVING THE MAP.

WELL, I SAW IT IN MY READY, BUT ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH.

YEAH, I READ IT.

I MOVE THAT.

WE APPROVE THE OCTOBER NINE, 2020 COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES.

I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

MOTION MADE.

AND SECONDLY, WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OR TOBA NINE ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSITION? NO HEARD THREE ZERO.

OKAY.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF THE INSTRUMENTS AND ROBIN, MY MEMORY THAT WE WERE BEGINNING ON NUMBER FIVE OF DOCUMENT TO PAGE TWO ON DOCUMENT PAGE TWO, WHICH IS PAGE ONE ON DOCUMENT TO EVERYBODY WITH US.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I, I THINK WE AGREED THAT WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEM FROM FIRST PERSON.

RIGHT.

FIRST PERSON SAYING TO FIRST PERSON PLURAL OR SOMETHING OF THE SONG, RIGHT? YEAH.

THIS MR. CAMPBELL, THIS ONE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT IS INDIVIDUAL COMPARED TO BOARD AND YEAH.

IF WE CAN'T CHANGE IT THEN YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED TO HELLO.

IF WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEN WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHETHER WE WANT TO KEEP THEM INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE IT'S STILL BETTER BE EVALUATED BY INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.

BUT I LIKE THE IDEA THAT ALL OF THE, MOST OF THE QUESTION'S GOING TO BE FROM HOW THAT INDIVIDUAL SEES THE BOARD, NOT THEMSELVES.

RIGHT.

SO IF WE, IF WE ROBIN, DID YOU SAY THAT WE'RE ON NUMBER FIVE RIGHT HERE.

I ENGAGE IN OPEN FRANK DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

OKAY.

YOU DELETED, UH, IN THIS DOCUMENT YOU DID DELETE IT ONE, TWO, THREE.

AND YOU HAD REWORDED FOUR, WHICH CAME OUT WITH TWO QUESTIONS, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO, UM, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, MR. CAMPBELL, I WAS KIND OF JUST TAKING OUT THE WORDS I, AND SEEING IF THE BOARD COULD BE INSERTED AND IF IT MADE SENSE.

SO IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THE BOARD ENGAGES AND FRANK DISCUSSIONS.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A VALUABLE OR WORTHY ENOUGH TO, TO, UM, TO KEEP IT AS A QUESTION BECAUSE I FEEL THAT SOME OF THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER ONES NOW AND SEE YOU'D HAVE IT.

YEAH.

YOU HAVE IT HERE AND PAY ON PAGE ONE BOARD MEMBERS ENGAGE IN PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS ON AGENDA TOPICS.

I GET THAT.

SO WE'LL NEED TO ELIMINATE THAT ONE THEN WE'LL,

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MIGHT'VE STEPPED AWAY FOR A MINUTE.

OKAY.

NO, MR. MATT, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, CAUSE HIS VIDEO IS NOT ON YOUR VIDEOS.

NOT ON, CAUSE I CAN'T, I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU THERE YOU ARE.

IT WAS NOW I HAD IT OFF EARLY, BUT YEAH, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOUR FACE.

YOU WANT TO DELETE NUMBER FIVE? YES.

WE PLAYED THAT ONE TOO.

WE ALREADY HAVE IT.

I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT THEM JUST ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER BY GET DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

HEY BRIAN, THIS DOCUMENTS THAT I'M NOT THAT SCIENTIFICALLY CREATED, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THAT ON SOME QUESTIONNAIRES TO SEE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

SO IF WE DID THAT SAME PROCESS, MR. CAMPBELL, AND JUST REPLACED LIKE THE BOARD INSTEAD OF I, THEN WE MIGHT AND YOU KNOW, TWEAK A LITTLE OF THE ENGLISH OF THE WORD SOMETIMES.

YEAH.

AND THEN JUST, JUST SEE IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN NOTED ELSEWHERE OR IF IT'S EVEN WORTH KEEPING.

SO LIKE NUMBER SIX, THE BOARD MAKES DECISIONS ON THE BASIS OF SINGH.

THE BOARD DOES NOT MAKE DECISIONS ON THE BASIS OF SINGLE ISSUE PRESSURES.

WELL, WHILE YOU WANT IT, THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT IT.

THERE'S NOT, BUT THEY WANT IT AS MAKE WELL, THEY USED THE WORD AVOID, SO I AVOID.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

WHICH NUMBER WAS THAT? NUMBER SIX.

THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WOULD MEAN, I AGREE WITH THAT ONE.

SO THE BASIS OF SINGLE ISSUE, PRECIOUS.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON COMPLAINING DOESN'T JUSTIFY A CHANGE IN POLICY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, WHAT, WHY I SHOULD HAVE TO BE IN TWO WAYS IT SHOULD BE IN ONE, A SINGLE DISTRICT.

THAT'S UH, THAT'S GIVEN THE MORE PRESSURE ABOUT SOMETHING TOO.

I MEAN, UM, THAT'S CORRECT.

AS WELL AS SINGLE ISSUE PRESSURES AND THAT'S CORRECT EVERYTHING FROM BUILDING PARKING LOTS ON MY SCHOOL.

ANYTHING ELSE? WE, WE S WE DON'T, WE MAKE DECISIONS WITH THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.

I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA DISTRICT IN MIND.

UH, OKAY.

UH, OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

I CAN GO WITH THAT.

I GUESS THAT'S HOW I READ IT TO MR. CAMPBELL.

YEAH.

SO THEN NUMBER SEVEN, IF WE'RE USING THE SAME PROCESS, THE BOARD SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISION.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I, YOU KNOW, I, I DID THIS ONE.

YOU PROBABLY DO NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF INDIVIDUALITY IN IT.

RIGHT.

BUT NO, I'M IN MR. CAMPBELL, LOOK, LOOK AT NUMBER SIX, ROBIN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE DOCUMENT WHERE YOU HAVE ALREADY PUT ALL THE CHANGES? OKAY.

YEAH.

DOWN TO PAGE TWO, YOU HAVE NUMBER SIX, THE BOARD ACTS AS A WHOLE AND NOT AS INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS.

WOULD THAT, IS THAT THE SAME AS THIS? YEAH, THAT'S THE SAME AS THAT.

YES.

IN MY MIND WILL.

EARL'S ON TOO, SO, OH, YOU CAN HELP US.

WE CAN COME IN IF YOU LIKE.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE BOARD, OR IS FOR INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS FOR INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS TO GRADE, BUT IT'S FOR THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD AGREED OF HOW THEY SEE THE BOARD OPERATING.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH.

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YOU KNOW, AS I REREAD THAT, I DON'T THINK IT IS THE SAME AS NUMBER SIX.

DO YOU, MR. OR MR. HEY BUDDY.

WELL, I DON'T WANT TO THINK IT'S THE SAME, THIS SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT.

WELL, LET'S SAY WE DECIDED THAT NUMBER SIX IS GOING TO SAY THE BOARD ACTS AS A WHOLE AND NOT AS INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS.

OKAY.

SO THIS ONE IS SAYING THE BOARD SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISIONS.

YEAH.

I WAS TRYING TO DO THAT PROCESS, BUT I JUST TAKE EVERYTHING OUT, BUT GET DOWN TO THE MEAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, IT'S THE SAME THING, WHETHER IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE, WHICH ONE WORDING YOU WANT TO USE IS THE QUESTION IN MY MIND.

I THINK THEY'RE BOTH SAYING THE SAME THING, MAN.

ACTS AS A WHOLE AND NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.

I MEAN, YOU, WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.

I GUESS THIS IS SPECIFIC TO DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD SUPPORTS, WHEREAS THE ONE ON NUMBER SIX IN MY MIND MIGHT, MIGHT, UM, BE A MORE ABOUT NO MATTER HOW, NO MATTER WHAT.

JUST YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

YEAH.

SO LEAVE IT IN, BUT CHANGE IT TO THE BOARD.

SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISIONS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I, I, I DIFFER WITH THIS BECAUSE WHEN IT SAYS, UH, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M UH, I LEAVE IT.

I'M LEAVING.

I JUST I'LL LEAVE IT.

OKAY.

SO, SO WHY DID YOU DECIDE ON NUMBER ONE, NUMBER SEVEN? YES.

YOU'RE SAYING THE BOARD SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISION.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW CHANGED RIGHT HERE FROM I TO THE BOARD SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISIONS.

THAT'S WELL, SURE SAYS, DOES THE BOARD, DOES THE BOARD SUPPORT MAJORITY OF THEM? NO, THESE ARE NOT YES OR NO.

THIS IS A RANKING.

SO IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN AS A STATEMENT, ALL A SENTENCE.

AND YOU EITHER HAVE TO GO TO YOUR RATINGS.

GOSH, I GOT YOU.

SO WE'RE GOOD.

THE BOARD SUPPORTS MAJORITY DECISIONS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YES.

MA'AM YES.

MA'AM.

I DID THAT ON PURPOSE.

THANK YOU.

I WASN'T GONNA, I WASN'T GONNA STAY IN TEMPORARILY AND I MISS A WORD OF YOUR WISDOM.

I SAW YOUR MOUTH MOVING AND I THOUGHT YOU HAVE SOME WISDOM EMANATING FROM THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SKIP NUMBER NINE.

I'M SORRY.

SO WE'RE ON NUMBER EIGHT OF THE DOCUMENT.

YEAH.

SO WHAT DO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, WELL, WHATEVER YOU GUYS, SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN A WAY THAT THE BOARD ENGAGES APPROPRIATELY WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS OR STAB NOT QUESTIONABLE ITSELF.

I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE QUESTION AND I, AND I LIKED THE WAY THAT YOU CHANGED IT, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE WAY I CHANGED IT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE, IT MIGHT IMPLY THAT WE SHOULD BE ENGAGING WITH THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS.

I GUESS WE DO THAT IN A FAIR WAY.

RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THAT WE DO IN THAT, UM, WELL, LET'S SAY WHAT, WHAT WOULD A SPECIAL, WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP COULD BE THE CLERGY

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ORGANIZATIONS COULD BE BLACK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THOSE ARE EXAMPLES.

GOOD.

SO THE WAY YOU WORDED IT, THE BOARD ENGAGES WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN A WAY THAT IS FAIR TO BOTH.

YEAH.

APPROPRIATE MANNER MAYBE.

YEAH.

I LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO SAY THAT AGAIN.

THE BOARD, THE BOARD ENGAGES WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.

I LIKE THE, THE MR. PAN, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ENDING ABOUT THIS AND AN APPROPRIATE MANNER? HUH? IN AN INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.

BUT THEN I THINK THE ENDING IS KIND OF, UM, DO YOU HAVE MORE CLARIFICATION TO THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT IT'S FAIR BOTH TO THESE GROUPS AND TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KEEP THE, THE END TO TURN THE WAY YOU WORDED IT.

KEEP THE END.

THAT IS FAIR.

YOU WANT TO PUT THAT BACK IN THERE? THAT ENDING YES.

NUMBER EIGHT.

THAT, THAT READING THAT WE TAKE OUT, WE WANT TO ADD BACK.

SO WHAT ARE APPROPRIATE MATTER IS RIGHT.

HAVE THE BOARD ENGAGES WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.

THAT IS FAIR TOO.

SO TAKE IN YEAH.

IN AN APPROPRIATE MANNER.

THAT IS FAIR.

BOTH TO THESE GROUPS AND TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH, MAN, WE DON'T TREAT THE SPECIAL INTEREST WITH ANY PRIVY, BUT WE DO ENGAGE WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.

RIGHT.

AND JOANNE IS ON JUST TO LET YOU, OKAY.

JOANNE, WELCOME ABOARD.

I'M ACTUALLY HEADED TO DISTRICT OFFICE TO PICK UP MY PACKAGE FOR EVALUATION.

SO I'M HERE.

OKAY.

WE HAPPY.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M SORRY.

I'M LATE.

NO PROBLEM.

NO PROBLEM.

NUMBER NINE IS WHERE WE AT JOANN ON THE SECOND PAGE, WHICH IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THE SECOND DOCUMENT THAT I DOCUMENT, I'M GOING TO CALL IT.

I AVOID COMMITTING THE BOARD TO A POSITION WITH MY PUBLIC COMMENTS, EXCEPT WHEN BOARD POLICY IS ALREADY CLEARLY ESTABLISHED.

WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME.

YEAH.

THE LEADER REWORD.

EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT MEANS, THE INTENT.

OKAY.

WELL I AGREE.

OKAY.

LET'S TRY AGAIN.

A LOT OF REPLACEMENTS WILLING TO WORK THROUGH THE FINE CHANNELS OF AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY.

SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY REWORD THAT ONE.

I ALREADY HAVE ONE LIKE THAT.

ROBIN, LET ME SAY I DIDN'T.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T, I DON'T SAY ANY.

I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST

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WE COULD SAY THE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS WORK THROUGH DEFINED CHANNELS OF AUTHORITY MEMBERS WORK VERY DEFINED CHANNELS AND THAT'S MEANING YOUR RESPONSIBILITY OR JUST LEAVE IT AT AUTHORITY.

I THINK THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY KIND OF MUDDIES THE WATERS BECAUSE WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? JUST, YEAH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I KNOW WHEN I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR INPUT, BUT THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S YEAH, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A REASONABLE METHOD TO, TO BREACH THE AUTHORITY.

YOU'LL GO PAST WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S RESPONSIBLE, YOU GO RIGHT TO THAT PERSON AND WITHOUT GOING THROUGH TO GET TO THAT PERSON.

SO YEAH, I THINK RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK AUTHORITY COVERS ALL OF THAT.

ANY COMMENT? ANYBODY AGREE? ALL RIGHT.

JUST SPEAK UP.

JOANNE BILL UN-MUTED.

SO I GUESS SOME WILL, SOME WILL DISAGREE.

OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON ONE ISSUE.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT VOTES ON OTHER ISSUES.

KEEP THAT ONE.

YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT ONE? YEP.

TELL ME HOW TO REWORD IT AS A BOARD MEMBER OR BOARD MEMBER WHEN BOARD MEMBERS OR DISTRICT ONE BOARD MEMBERS DISAGREE WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS AND KEEP GOING ON FROM THERE.

DOES IT AFFECT THE BUSINESS? SO THE BOARD, RIGHT? JOANNE, GIVE US A GOOD SENTENCE THAT WE CAN PUT ONE SENTENCE.

THANKS.

CAN YOU READ, READ? I READ IT WHEN I DISAGREE WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON ONE ISSUE, IT DOES NOT AFFECT VOTES ON OTHER ISSUES.

I DIDN'T HEAR ALL OF IT NOW.

I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY.

BASICALLY AGREE WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON ONE ISSUE.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT VOTES ON OTHER ISSUES.

OH, I SEE.

OKAY.

I GOTCHA.

UM, YEAH.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S KIND OF A FRIVOLOUS.

UM, WHAT ARE THEY GETTING AT THERE? YOU DON'T HOLD GRUDGES.

YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BACKED OF IT IS HOW I THINK ABOUT IT.

I THINK ABOUT IT.

LIKE I'M TAKING THE TEST, ALL THE EVALUATION INSTRUMENT MYSELF.

AND HOW DOES THAT QUESTION WILL LEAD TO HOW I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE BOARD? DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? WHAT I'M SAYING BY ANSWERING A QUESTION THERE'S A HELP ME UNDERSTAND, EVALUATE THE BOARD ANY MORE, ANY BETTER.

YEAH.

QUESTION.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S MOOT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW YEAH.

I THINK IT'S SMALL.

I WOULD STRIKE IT.

YEAH.

ME TOO.

I MOVED AS GREG BECAUSE I THINK IT, WELL, GOOD THING IT DOES IS UNDERMINE THE INTEGRITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

I MEAN, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT DOING, BUT THAT KIND OF INTEGRITY.

I WOULD LIKE THE THING THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T VOTE THE SAME WAY ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE PERSON AS OPPOSED TO THE INFORMATION.

YEAH.

AND YOU KNOW,

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MAY NOT EVEN KNOW.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH.

IT HAS NO TEARS, NO ONE THAT HE DID TO IT.

THAT OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I LET THAT GO.

THAT'S THAT'S TRUE.

OH YEAH, EXACTLY.

THAT WAS MY, MY THINKING WAS GOING, WE CANNOT DETERMINE SOMEONE'S INTENT.

IT IS.

IT'S A WEEKEND.

WE THINK WE KNOW WHY SOMEONE DID SOMETHING, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, UM, YES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT.

IN WORDS I SUGGEST WE COULD SAY THE BOARD LISTENS TO THE IDEAS AND OPINIONS OF OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

OKAY.

THAT'S GOOD.

LISTENS TO THE IDEAS AND OPINIONS OF OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

EXCELLENT.

RIGHT.

18 READ NUMBER 13 TO YOU.

THAT'S THE READER READS IT OUT LOUD.

WHO'S GOT A CLEARER VOICE.

WILLOW ATTRITION.

GO AHEAD, MR. SMITH.

WELL, UH, UM, I COMMUNICATE WITH MY CONSTITUENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY.

I SAY THE BOARD THOUGH, RIGHT? JOANNE.

YES.

AS INDIVIDUALS, I THINK THERE'S A PLACE FOR BOTH.

SO YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT ONE AS A VISUAL? UM, AND THEN THE REST OF IT? NO, I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT IN A VISUAL, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE BOARD MEMBERS COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR PHYSICIAN TO SEE MORE REGULAR BASIS.

EXCELLENT.

THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

ROBIN, YOU GOT THAT BOARD MEMBERS COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR CONSTITUENCY ON A REGULAR BASIS.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

HOLD ON.

I THINK THAT, OKAY.

LET'S DO IT NUMBER.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IS THAT THE SAME THING? EXCEPT THIS TIME IT DOES SPECIFY WHO YEAH.

SUPERINTENDENT, ADMINISTRATORS, STAFF THIS TIME, AS OPPOSED TO THE NUMBER 10 WAS A LITTLE BIT OPEN.

WASN'T IT? YEAH.

GO AHEAD.

UM, YOUR NUMBER 10 SAYS BOARD MEMBERS WORK THROUGH DEFINED CHANNELS OF AUTHORITY.

YEAH.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT NUMBER 13 IS SAYING.

GO AHEAD FISHER.

I THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

SO WE, WE COULD CHOOSE TO USE THIS WORDING IF WE THOUGHT IT WAS CLEARER INSTEAD OF NUMBER 10 OR, OR JUST, UM, GET RID OF NUMBER 14, I USE EFFECTIVE AND APPROPRIATE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AT HIS OR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF.

I AGREE WITH, NO.

DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH NUMBER 10? ARE THEY ONE OF A TEND TO STAND OVER IT?

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YEAH, I AGREE WITH, WELL, 14 IS A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AND WE CAN USE THIS IN LIEU OF NUMBER 10.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, MY OPINION ABOUT IT.

I LIKED 10.

I MEAN, I LIKED 14 BECAUSE IF CLAIRE, IN TERMS OF OUR BOARD OPERATIONS POLICIES.

YEAH.

I BELIEVE IT GOES ALONG WITH THE POLICIES.

WELL, OF COURSE 14 WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE IN TERMS OF OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN POLICIES LIKE THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND OTHER CHANNELS THAT YOU MIGHT GO TO WITHOUT PERMISSION WITHOUT PROPER AUTHORITY.

I MEAN, SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO DELETE THE NUMBER 10 AND USE NUMBER 14 INSTEAD.

YEAH.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A GENERAL THEORY.

YEAH.

BUT WE STILL NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING.

LET ME GO BACK.

SO WE'RE DELETING NUMBER 10 BOARD MEMBERS TO USE DRESS, REPLACE THE YEAH.

BOARD MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS, RIGHT.

OKAY.

15.

CAN I MAKE HER, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

UM, NUMBER 15, JOANNE SAYS THAT I SEE THAT THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED OF SIGNIFICANT EDUCATIONAL ISSUES.

MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THAT AND ADD IT TO NUMBER 13 AND SAY, BOARD MEMBERS COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR CONSTITUENCY ON A REGULAR BASIS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION ON SIGNIFICANT EDUCATIONAL ISSUES.

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO COMBINE THE TWO.

YEAH.

THAT WORKS FOR ME.

THE INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE BOARD IS HOLDING ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR COMMUNICATING INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PR NOT PR, BUT INFORMATION THAT MAY BE ONE ASPECT TO THAT.

OR AM I REACHING? I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS REALLY, IS THIS ONE, UH, SINGLE MEMBER SPECIFIC OR IS IT BOARD SPECIFIC? BUT I LIKE TO THINK THAT, THAT WHEN WE WANT TO CHANGE JUST AT A BOARD YEAH.

WELL OR ABSURD THIRD ITEM MALE, IS THE BOARD MAKING CERTAIN OR ENSURING THAT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE WORD IS.

C C IMPLIES THAT, BUT TRICIA, I AGREE WITH COMBINING WITH NUMB, WITH THE OTHER NUMBER MAKES SENSE, BUT DO WE NEED TO CRAFT A NEW ONE THAT FOCUSES ON THE BOARD OVERSEEING OR ENSURING THAT THE DISTRICT, UM, IS COMMUNICATING CRITICAL, UM, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, COVID UPDATES AND THAT SORT OF THING, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CRAFT OUR BOARD AGENDAS AND UNDER THAT IS SUPERINTENDENT'S REPORT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE BOARD WILL ENSURE THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT IS BRINGING FORWARD KEY PIECES, LIKE THE MOLD ISSUE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, UM,

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YOU KNOW, IT, IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON A BOARD AGENDA, BUT DID THE BOARD FOLLOW UP AND ENSURE THAT IT WAS, SO THAT WOULD BE JUST AN EXAMPLE.

UM, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

HOW DO WE, RIGHT.

WHAT ARE WE, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO COMBINE 15 FROM THE STANDPOINT OF INDIVIDUAL WITH NUMBER WITH THAT NUMBER 10, CORRECT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE WANT TO REINVENT ANOTHER 15, ANOTHER 15 THAT SAYS SOMETHING MORE DIRECTOR IN TERMS OF US MAKING SURE THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT IS KEEPING THE PUBLIC AWARE OR IS DOING THE BOARD'S DUE DILIGENCE OF KEEPING THE PUBLIC INFORMED.

GOOD WORDING.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU PHRASE THAT.

WELL, YEAH.

TELL ME WHAT THE SEND US THROUGH RIGHT THERE.

UM, THE BOARD AND SHORES, UM, ADMINISTRATION INFORMS THE PUBLIC, UM, REGULARLY OF CRITICAL INFORMATION.

THAT'S JUST THAT, TO ME, THAT'S SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT TO WANT TO WANT TO SAY FOR THIS ONE AS OTHER THINGS.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS HOW AND WHERE, AND WHEN IS NOT A DETAIL PART OF IT.

NOW WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UPDATES ARE ACCURATE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SCHOOLS AND THOUGH THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ABOUT ACCIDENTS AND OTHER THINGS IS, IS GONE.

AND THE BOARD IS MAKING SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE DONE, WHICH IS DONE BY THE ADMINISTRATION, BY THE SUPERINTENDENT DIRECTLY.

YOU KNOW, SO AM I SAYING, I'M NOT SURE THE BOARD ENSURES THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED, CRITICAL INFORMATION REGULARLY INFORMED THE BOARD ENSURES THE PUBLIC IS REGULARLY INFORMED.

THANK YOU, MOLLY.

I'M HERE IN FRONT OF THE DISTRICT.

OKAY.

I'M ON MY WAY OUT.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST, THE REST OF THE SENTENCE THERE.

WELL, I'M WORKING.

THE BOARD HAS SHARES THE PUMP, THE BOARD THIS YEAR.

THIS IS THE SEPARATE ONE.

THIS IS NOT THE COMBINED BOARD ENSURES THE PUBLIC IS REGULARLY INFORMED OF CRITICAL INFORMATION.

THAT'S GOOD.

CRITICAL INFORMATION WOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM ACCIDENTS TO SCHOOL CLOSINGS.

YEAH.

SO THEN YOU ARE COMBINING, UM, WHEREAS THIS, THE BOARD MEMBERS COMMUNICATE WITH 13 AND 15, 15.

I SEE THAT THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED THE SIGNIFICANT EDUCATIONAL ISSUES.

SO HOW, HOW ARE WE WORDING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M RETHINKING THAT TEAM BECAUSE I'M THINKING I'M JUST LEAVING AT WHAT WE HAD JUST STRIKING 15 AND LEAVING 13 THE WAY IT IS.

OKAY.

CAUSE IF YOU COMBINE IT AND YOU'RE STILL SAYING THE SAME THING, AND NOW IT IS ON THE BOARD MEMBER PER SE, MORE SODA THEN A SUPERINTENDENT.

SO WE'RE DELETING THE LATE 15.

YES.

YEAH.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

OKAY.

WE GOT A NEW FISH ALL.

ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE ON 16, RIGHT? DISPLAY, GOOD LISTENING SKILLS.

UH, LIKE THAT ONE.

YEAH.

I HAVE IT.

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ROBIN.

DID WE, UM, UP ABOVE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, BOARD MEMBERS LISTENING.

YEAH.

NUMBER, NUMBER 12, THE BOARD LISTENS TO THE IDEAS AND OPINIONS OF OTHER.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO YEAH.

SO DELETE 16.

SO WE'RE ONTO 17.

REMOVE IT.

YEAH.

WHO KNOWS? I HAVE THIS DOG, IF IT'S NEW ISSUES SURFACE AT A BOARD MEETING, I GIVE THE SUPERINTENDENT SUFFICIENT TIME TO STUDY THOSE ISSUES.

SO THE BOARD IS NOT FORCED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE SPOT.

NO WHEELS.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT ONE, HUH? YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

THIS IS NOT EXACTLY THE ISSUE, BUT IT'S CLOSE.

IT'S CLOSE TO IT.

YEAH.

SO WHAT, WHAT WAS BEING SAID HERE IS THAT WE JUST DON'T ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR INFORMATION WITHOUT SOME TIME TO GIVE US ACCURATE AND ADEQUATE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

SO HOW DO WE WORD THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE ASK, YOU KNOW, IT HA IT OCCURRED LAST NIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT OCCURRED LAST NIGHT.

THE SUPERINTENDENT SAID, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME.

ALL RIGHT.

THE RESPONSE WAS YOUR DOCKET, AS OPPOSED TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR ME.

AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT AT A LATER DATE.

SO HOW DO WE WRITE THAT VISION? WELL, WE COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO, UM, STUDY ISSUES PRIOR TO VOTING OR THE BOARD HAS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS, UH, WHEELS.

WELL CONCERNS TOO.

RIGHT? WELL, UH, THAT WILL CONCLUDE THAT THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO STUDY.

IT WAS THE REST OF IT.

WELL, UM, LET'S SAY THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME STUDY ISSUES BEFORE TAKING A VOTE OR BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.

RIGHT.

BUT ALL DECISIONS ARE ONLY MADE BY VOTING.

SO , SHE SAID TAKING A VOTE.

SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOMPASS, YOU KNOW, MR. SMITH, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING THINGS IN TIME.

UM, BUT IT ALSO WOULD HELP LIKE AN, UM, ANYTHING ON THE SPOT.

YEAH.

IT TELLS US, IT TELLS US A LOT OF STUFF COVERS THE STUFF BEING BOUGHT TOO.

RIGHT.

SO I'M TRYING TO GET THE WORDING.

THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO STUDY OR BEFORE TAKING A VOTE, WHICH ONE I THINK BEFORE TAKING A VOTE ON THOSE ISSUES, AN ISSUE BEFORE TAKING A VOTE ON AN ISSUE, THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO STUDY ISSUES BEFORE TAKING A VOTE ON AN ISSUE.

HOW DOES THIS CRITIQUE THE BOARD AND OUR PERFORMANCE? IT'S REALLY POINTED MORE TOWARD THOSE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THE DOCUMENTATION POINTED TOWARD THE OFFICERS.

UM, AS A MEANS OF CRITIQUING THEIR PERFORMANCE AS FAR AS ARE THEY FOLLOWING UP AND ENSURING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE DOCUMENTS ON TIME.

SO I'M JUST CONFUSED BECAUSE OF THE PHRASING OF IT.

IT'S REALLY NOT A BOARD CRITIQUE OF IT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO CHANGING THE MEANING OF 17.

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR IDEA WITH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALL THE POLICIES WE MAKE A BOARD POLICIES AND WHEN WE MAKE A POLICY THAT SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING HAS TO BE IN BOARD DOGS PROBABLY DAYS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE BOARD POLICIES AND YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT FOLLOWED THEM, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WAYS OF CORRECTING IT.

BUT THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO MAKE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S WHERE WE'LL

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HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN YOU GET THE, UH, INFORMATION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY RULES THAT CHANGE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH IT, BUT IF WE DID MAKE THE RULES BE THE BOARD'S OWNERSHIP FOR THAT RULE, JANE, I AGREE.

AND I THINK IN THE PAST ONE OF THESE, ONE OF THE WAYS I'VE SUGGESTED TO MANAGE, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING THING AND THERE'S GOOD REASONS SOMETIMES WHY DOCUMENTS COME LATE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.

AND, BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THIS SITUATION WHERE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ADEQUATE TIME FOR A BOARD MEMBER TO MAKE A DECISION.

UM, ONE OF THE WAYS WE COULD STACK IS TO WRITE A POLICY THAT DEMANDS THAT IF THE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN TIME PRIOR TO THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA, THAT THE OFFICERS REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THE AGENDA, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T CONTINUALLY RUN INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, GOSH, WE DIDN'T GET THE DOCUMENTS ON TIME.

EVEN IF THERE WAS A VALID REASON FOR NOT RECEIVING THEM, THIS WOULD FORCE THE OFFICERS TO REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THE AGENDA.

IF WE WROTE IT INTO FOR POLICY, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THAT AT THEIR DISCRETION NOW.

UM, AND IT WOULDN'T BE A BOARD POLICY, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO REALLY NAIL IT DOWN BECAUSE IT KEEPS COMING BACK.

I AGREE WITH MR. SMITH, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING FROM BOARD.

YEAH.

SO TO YOUR POINT ABOVE THIS QUESTION, THIS QUESTION, THEN THE ANSWER IS THE SOLUTION TO THIS QUESTION, WHEN WE WERE TAKING THIS EVALUATION CAN BE VERY LOW.

IF WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH BEING PASSED A NEW POLICY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE, TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN WE DO THE EVALUATION THAT THIS WOULD TEACH HIM IN QUESTION THAT A TOTAL POINTS, OH, 11 OR 13, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.

THAT MAKE ANY SENSE.

THAT'S THE BEST.

THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF BEING A PART OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WOULD ANSWER IT YET? HONESTLY.

WELL, ALL IT IS IS STILL A BOARD'S OWNERSHIP.

AND EVEN IF IT IS DIRECTED AT ONE OR TWO BOARD MEMBERS, IT'S STILL BOARD ON A SHIP TO HAVE THOSE MEMBERS IN THOSE POSITIONS, THAT'D BE, OR MAY NOT BE FUNCTIONING ROBIN.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS.

YOU STARTED OFF WITH SURFACE AT THE BOARD MEETING.

I GIVE THE SUPERINTENDENT SUFFICIENT TIME.

YOUR EXAMPLE WAS TUESDAY.

SO THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME.

SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON HERE.

YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT AT ALL, CONSIDERING A SUPERINTENDENT NEEDS THE DOT, THEY'RE GETTING, GET US THE INFORMATION, RIGHT.

YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STATING THAT THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME, MEANING THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT BRINGS TO YOU ALL AND YOU'RE DISCUSSING WHETHER IT COMES IN A TIMELY MANNER AND THAT YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING.

IF YOU BRING UP AN ISSUE, YOU WANT THE SUPERINTENDENT TO REACT JUST LIKE THAT.

SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING.

YEAH, WE, WE READ WHAT WE HAVE GOING AND LET'S SEE WHY WE HAVE IT GOING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S STILL OKAY.

READ IT AGAIN.

THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO STUDY ISSUES BEFORE TAKING A VOTE ON AN ISSUE.

I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT YOU YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO WE, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE WE ADD ANOTHER STATEMENT THAT SAYS THE BOARD PROVIDES THE SUPERINTENDENT ENOUGH TIME TO, UM, UH, RESEARCH OR GATHER INFORMATION THAN REQUIRED INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.

THE BOARD PROVIDES THE SUPERINTENDENT SUFFICIENT TIME TO, UM, TO GATHER REQUIRED, TO GATHER INFORMATION REQUIRED BY THE BOARD.

SO I THINK TO ROBIN'S POINT, THIS NUMBER 17, I HAD TROUBLE WITH THE WAY THIS WAS

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WORDED BECAUSE IT KIND OF SEEMED LIKE IT HAD TO HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON.

SO NOW WE'VE BROKEN IT INTO TWO THINGS THAT THE BOARD HAS SUFFICIENT TIME, BUT THAT THE BOARD PROVIDES THE SUPERINTENDENT SUFFICIENT TIME.

AND THAT ONE THERE, NUMBER 17 SPECIFICALLY IS TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD MEETING BASICALLY, AND A QUESTION I'M POPPING UP AND THE SUPERINTENDENT NOT ABLE TO RESPOND EFFECTIVELY AT THE TIME AT THE MOMENT.

THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL 17 IS ABOUT.

AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED TRY TO ADDRESS BOTH ENDS OF IT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS WE GOT TO 17 AND 18 THEN, RIGHT? NO, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD CATCH ROBIN AND BREAKING THAT INTO TWO BECAUSE SIDETRACK THEM TO CHANGING THE THOUGHT.

BECAUSE I, THAT, WHEN I READ IT LAST, NIGHT'S MEETING CAME RIGHT THROUGH MINE THAT BANG EXPECTED SOMETHING FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HE COULDN'T RESPOND RIGHT THEN.

BUT GIVEN ENOUGH TIME, HE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME TO RESPOND.

RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, NUMBER, CAN WE RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD, A POLICY COMMITTEE I'D LIKE TO YEAH.

AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD, THE FOLLOWING POLICY OFFICERS AGENDA PRIOR TO POSTING ANY ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION, ACCORDING TO THE TIME TABLE, UM, PEDAL PROCESS QUESTION, JOANNE, I MEAN TO YOUR MOTION, EVERY ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA DOES NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION.

SO PRESENTATION PRESENTATION MUST BE GIVEN TO THE BOARD, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

IF THERE'S A TOPIC ON THE, JUST ANSWERING A QUESTION.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ON TUESDAY YOU HAD A TOPIC THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT STAYS OR DOES IT COME OFF BASED ON THE MOTION? FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE, WE MADE THIS AMENDMENT THAT'S ME.

I MEAN, THIS POLICY, THIS MOTION, THE ONE THAT I'M PROPOSING HERE KNOW, SO WHY CAN'T YOU MOVE THAT, THAT BECOMES AN EXISTING POLICY.

LET ME TELL YOU, WHY ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? NO, I MEAN, YEAH, WE SUPPORT THE MOST, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY, HOW THE COMMITTEE CONNECTS TO THAT MOTION.

I WILL COMMIT TO THAT MOTION

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THAT MAKE ANY SENSE.

OUR, OUR ROLE DOES NOT CONNECT TO THAT MOTION DIRECTLY.

I MEAN, YES.

AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I MEAN THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A SUPPORTABLE MOTION OF HIM.

I HAVE TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY ON AN AGENDA.

WHERE WOULD THEY BE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR SECOND READING OF OUR BOARD HAS NOT BEEN SCHEDULED YET? THE HOPE WAS TO HAVE IT PROB HOPEFULLY DURING THE WORK SESSION, THE SECOND READING DURING THE WORK SESSION.

WELL, I, YEAH, I'M ON THE POLICY COMMITTEE AND UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, BUT I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT IT'D BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION OR, I MEAN, THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR IT TO BE THERE.

YES.

THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE TIME TO WORK ON IT.

SO JOANNE, COULD YOU NOT MAKE THAT MOTION? COULD YOU NOT MAKE THAT MOTION AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER MR. CAMPBELL GIVES THE UPDATE ON THE, UM, ON OUR WORK? COULDN'T YOU JUST SAY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, CONVERSATION BUBBLED UP AND THEREFORE YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, WOULD THAT NOT TIE IN? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT'S YOUR DOG AGAIN, WHICH MEANS WE CAN ALSO BRING IT FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION.

IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.

IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE, BRINGING IT FORWARD.

IT MIGHT BE BETTER RECEIVED THAN IF I BRING IT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I THINK THIS CAN HELP THE BOARD.

I THINK THIS HAS A SAM'S POLICY.

ONCE WE TWEAK THE WORDING.

OKAY.

ROBIN IS CORRECT.

NOT ALL AGENDA ITEM HAVE DOCUMENTATION, BUT I THINK THIS CAN HELP FUTURE OFFICERS, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE TOW THE LINE AND WE DON'T HAVE YOUR PAPERWORK.

WE CAN'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I'M SORRY FOLKS.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOU HAD A GOOD REASON FOR HER NOT HAVING IT READY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING FINALLY AGREE YOU AS WIDE ALSO WITH LIKE YOU GO, WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I HAVEN'T HEARD, JUST, JUST SAID SHE AGREES WITH THAT BULLSHIT, BUT I AGREE WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOTION.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU BRING IT FORWARD, JOANNE, THE PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE DIVIDED AND THAT IT'S NOT RECEIVED MY, MY BEGIN THE CHANGE TOO, BECAUSE THE FOUR OF US AGREE WITH IT AND WE'D ALWAYS AGREE.

YOU WOULD NEED SIX TASKS.

WE ALL AGREE WITH ME.

WE CAN GET ONE FROM ME.

ONE FROM EACH OF US PROBABLY CAN PULL ONE OF OUR, UH, YOUR MEDS THROUGH.

YOU MUST HAVE JARS USED THIS MORNING HOME.

WHEREAS YOU WEREN'T, YOU WEREN'T TO THIS MORNING.

I GUESS.

I JUST THINK THAT WE, WE, WE, I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER.

AND, UH, WITH WHAT WE HAVE, IF WE DO WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS SAID, LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS

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TO GET WHO IT'S COMING FROM AND ANALYZE IT AND RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.

AND THAT'S THE END.

THIS IS A GOOD BULLSHIT WHO WOULDN'T SUBORDINATE.

ALL RIGHT.

I TELL YOU WHAT I WITHDRAW INCLUDE ROBIN'S POINT THAT YOU'RE VERY VALID.

IF THERE'S PUSHBACK, GOT A PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN FOR ME, UH, I ALREADY PROMISED YOU THAT IT WASN'T DONE.

UM, I HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION TO YOUR MOTION WHEN YOU BRING IT UP.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS AND EXAMPLE, IF SOMETHING COMES OUT OF COUNTY COUNCIL OR THE TAX BILL, I, WE USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA ORIGINALLY.

YOU ALL HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND WHEN IT INFORMATION.

SO IN YOUR MOTION, YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS, AS STAFF TO BRING THINGS AFTER YOU SET THE AGENDA, AFTER THE DOCUMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN BOARD BOARD, THAT'S ON THURSDAY EVENING.

BUT BECAUSE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU WON'T GET ON FRIDAY, AND YOU ASKED STAFF TO RESEARCH, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO BRING, SO YOUR MOTION HAS TO TAKE AN EFFECT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ALL OR NOTHING KIND OF EMOTION.

YES.

EXCEPT THE WINNER IS DR.

MANN'S, UH, URGENT OR WHATEVER, A REQUEST BY BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU ASKED TO BRING.

SO IF THEY'D PROVIDE YOU DOCUMENTATION ON SUNDAY, MONDAY, BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT YOU, AS BOARD MEMBERS REQUEST THAT YOU WENT TO VOTE ON OR ACT ON ON TUESDAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN BOARD.

THAT'S ON THURSDAY EVENING.

SO YOUR MOTION CAN'T BE AN ALL OR NOTHING, ALL OR NOTHING.

IT WOULD BE THAT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MOTION.

I MEAN, HE WAS THERE WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE VOTED IN IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THERE.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A CLEAR PICTURE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN INDICATE HIM.

DON'T ASK FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.

DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING FOR STAFF TO DO AFTER THURSDAY EVENING.

LET ME, LET ME RESPOND THERE.

I HEAR YOU.

ROBIN ASKS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AFTER THE THURSDAY EVENING DEADLINE.

IT'S NOT THE BASELINE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'LL USE THE TAX BILL AS AN EXAMPLE.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP.

THE TAX BILL WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF COUNTY COUNCIL THAT CAME BACK TO THE BOARD THAT SAYS, THAT WANT THE BOARD TO ACT ON THAT INFORMATION CAME THURSDAY EVENING, BUT THE COUNTY COUNCIL FOUND IT IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO ACT ON IT.

BUT THE COUNTY COUNCIL DOES NOT SET OUR AGENDA.

SOME OF YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS FELT THAT YOU NEEDED THAT INFORMATION BOARD MEMBERS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THESE BOARD MEMBERS WERE.

I CERTAINLY DIDN'T REQUEST THAT INFORMATION.

UM, YEAH, I KNOW.

YOU'RE JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHERS.

I, I GET THAT, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN ADDED TO THE AGENDA WITHOUT ADEQUATE PAPERWORK.

UM, OR I WOULD SAY POSTPONE IT TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING, BUT THAT'S MY, AND I DON'T SET THE AGENDA.

SO I, I GET, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK THERE.

THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAPPENS.

YEAH.

I UNDERSTAND.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE SOMETIMES, UH, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE IF YOU STOP ALL OR NOTHING, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE EMERGENCIES.

YEAH.

AND I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY EMERGENCIES AND I, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T DEEM THAT PARTICULAR SAMPLERS EMERGENCY, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE, BUT THERE ARE VERY FEW SCENARIOS

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WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE LET THAT DICTATE THE POLICY.

UM, THE WORDING OF IT I'LL LOOK AT THE WORDING OF IT AND REFINE IT AS POSSIBLE 200 WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENS AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS ON A MONDAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOTTA BE ALLOWED SOMEHOW, BUT I GUESS IT WOULD ALL COME UNDER THE SUPERINTENDENT.

THEY NOT, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THAT REPORT, I GOT YOU.

AND I DO THINK THE KEY WORD HERE IS DECISION.

AND SO A BOARD DECISION, AND BOTH, SOMETIMES WE HAVE INFORMATION JUST AS INFORMATION, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO VOTE ON SOMETHING TO MAKE A DECISION ON, WE HAVE TO DRAW VERY HARD WIND AND NATURAL WILLIAMS SPEAKING ABOUT WORK ON IT.

AND I WAS SUPPORTED.

YEAH.

LET'S MOVE ON.

WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.

YOU'RE ON 1818, WHICH IS STILL 18, OR IS IT NO, THE 18 ON THE DOCUMENT.

IF I REALIZED THAT PRIORITY IS A MESS DOCUMENT.

WELL, THAT'S NUMBER 19 OF OUR QUESTIONS, BUT I'M TRYING TO KEEP A NO, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE NUMBER 16 ABOUT QUESTION.

OKAY.

I REALIZED THAT BRIDE IS, MUST BE, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE ON YOUR QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, MR. CAMPBELL? SO I WAS WORKING ON THIS ONE THIS MORNING AND I THOUGHT WE COULD SAY THE BOARD ESTABLISHES GOALS AND USE AS DATA TO, UM, UH, I'M TRYING TO SAY, I'M TRYING TO SAY TO, YOU KNOW, USE THIS DATA TO DETERMINE THEY, UM, WHETHER THOSE GOALS HAVE BEEN MET, USED TO MAKE SOUND AND DEFENSIBLE, IS IT RIGHT? SO WE COULD EVEN SAY THE BOARD OR THE BOARD USES DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS.

I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

DOES THE BOARD EVEN HAVE GOALS? SO WE COULD SAY THE BOARD, THE GOAL, THE BOARD ESTABLISHES GOALS, PERIOD.

THE BOARD USES DATA TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.

NOW THAT'S INCORPORATING MR. SMITH'S, UM, COMMENT.

WHEN HE WROTE THAT, THAT AN EFFICIENT BOARD USES DATA.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT.

I AGREE.

I AGREE WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I DO.

SO I HAVE TWO, THE FIRST ONE, THE BOARD ESTABLISHES GOALS, THEN THE NEXT ONE, THE BOARD USES IS THE BOARD USES DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS.

RIGHT.

SO THAT'S A, SO YOU'VE REWARDED 18 TO GET TO TWO, TWO, TWO STATEMENTS OUT OF THAT, CORRECT? YES, BECAUSE I THINK MR. CAMPBELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CREATING A, LIKE A TEST QUESTION AND YOU USE THE WORD AND THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO THAT STATEMENT.

AND SO THE ONE MAY BE TRUE, BUT THE OTHER IS NOT.

AND SO IT'S VERY HARD TO COME UP WITH A RATING ON SOMETHING WHERE THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO IT.

AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS, THE BOARD HASN'T HAD GOALS FOR YEARS OR GOALS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SAME GOALS THAT WE HAD.

AND I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE WORTHY TO JUST BREAK THAT INTO TWO.

THAT'S GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

I'M FLORIDA.

I STRONGLY SUPPORT.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE TO NUMBER 19.

THEN I THINK IN THE DEPENDENTLY GAIN KNOWLEDGE AND RELY ON FACTS RATHER THAN CASEY AND MAKING DECISIONS AS BOARD MEMBERS THINK INDEPENDENTLY,

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THE BENTLEY CAN RELY ON FACTS RATHER THAN MAKING DECISIONS, ALL THAT STUFF.

I MEAN, IF YOU STOP BY RELY ON FACT, THAT'S THROWS OUT ALL THE OTHER POSSIBLE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT GET ENOUGH FACTS.

YEAH.

I, I THINK THAT MR. CAMPBELL'S CORRECT THAT WE COULD SAY BOARD MEMBERS RELY ON FACT TO MAKE DECISIONS JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

WELL, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES DATA, UM, AND FACTS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE USED NOT AS, NOT, NOT IN EVERY CASE BECAUSE I THINK OF DATA AS BEING VIABLE.

UM, WHEREAS FACTS MIGHT NOT HAVE A QUANTITY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, PARTICULARLY AS A BIRD IS NOT DATA.

RIGHT.

SO 16 AND 15, WHATEVER THE NEW GLASS, WHEN YOU SAID THE FIRST SHOW.

YEAH.

W WHAT IS IT? THE BOARD, UM, ESTABLISHES GOALS.

THE, THE BOARD, THE NEXT ONE WAS THE BOARD USES DATA TO MAKE DECISIONS.

AND THEN THIS ONE WOULD BE THE BOARD RELIES ON FACTS TO MAKE DECISIONS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, EVERYONE.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE ON NUMBER NINE.

NUMBER 20, I INSIST ON A CLEARLY DEFINED DECISION MAKING PROCESS FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD.

WE USE OUR OWN DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES, SO I'M NEVER REALLY SURE.

WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE? I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE ALL VOTE, ET CETERA, BUT YEAH, NO, I AGREE.

THE NEXT PAGE, NOW WE MIGHT GET FINISHED WITH THIS DOCUMENT TODAY.

DON'T MEAN THIS SECOND PART, YOU'VE GOT THE REAL STUFF COMING AFTER THAT.

IT MIGHT NOT BE AS HARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT.

SO INDIVIDUALLY MINDED, YOU KNOW, IS DEFINED TERRITORIAL TOO.

RIGHT.

SO I'M KNOWLEDGEABLE OF NEW AND ONGOING EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS IN THE DISTRICT SCHOOLS.

WOO.

IS THE BOARD KNOWLEDGEABLE? NO QUESTION THE BOARD.

EXCUSE ME, MY MIND.

JUST MY BACK, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT WILLIAMS. SO JUST TAKE IT, JUST TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT BEHIND THE BOARD IS NOT OKAY.

MA'AM SO KEEP GOING, HOW YOU WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, OF ALL NEW AND ONGOING EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS IN THE DISTRICT.

YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'LL WORK.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

GOOD ONE, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE NEED TO KNOW AND BE UPDATED ON WHAT I REALLY IS AND THAT CENTER AND ALL THAT STUFF.

RIGHT.

AND I BE, AND LEADER IN ME AND YEAH, THAT'S THE LITTLE DEEP POCKETS MR. CAMPBELL.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

YOU CAN AFFORD IT TOO.

SO LET, LET ME MAKE SURE THE BOARD IS KNOWLEDGEABLE OF NEW AND ONGOING EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. THE DISTRICT, THE BOARD

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IS KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ALL NEW ONGOING.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I HAVE SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO REVIEW AND SUGGEST REVISIONS IN BOARD POLICY.

MR. CAMPBELL, FOR THE, FOR THE ONE WAY, JUST FOR TALKING ABOUT, SHOULD IT BE THE BOARD IS KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ALL NEW OR IS IT BOARD MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE.

I MIGHT ANSWER THAT DIFFERENTLY IF IT WAS BOARD MEMBERS COMPARED TO THE BOARD.

OKAY.

YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.

I MEAN, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK, YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S, WE HARD TO ANSWER IT.

IF YOU SAY THE BOARD TOO, RIGHT.

BOARD MEMBERS.

I THINK THAT THAT'S MORE ANSWERABLE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT EVEN A WORD, BUT YEAH.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ALL NEW.

YES.

OKAY.

I APOLOGIZE.

I TOOK US BACK TO 21.

SO YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT 22, MR. CAMPBELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANY WELL, ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE ABOUT INTEGRITY.

UH, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW FLEX SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS, UH, FROM, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE A BOARD MEMBERS AGREE, SAY THERE'S SUFFICIENT KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO REVIEW AND SUGGEST REVISIONS AND BOARD POLICY, UH, DON'T BE ALL.

UH, WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, OUR SECOND, OUR SECOND STATEMENT, UH, THAT ON THE OTHER DOCUMENT SAYS, BOARD MEMBERS ARE PREPARED TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD.

SO I, I THOUGHT SO.

I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ALL KIND OF INCLUSIVE.

YEAH.

OKAY, GOOD.

THAT MARY'S GRADED.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE STRIKING 22.

YES.

OKAY.

TAKE A SHOT AT THAT ONE 23.

I ATTEND MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS AND SEMINARS, WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF EDUCATION.

WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE WITH THAT ONE? THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY WILL GIVE US A GOOD MEASURE WHEN WE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE THINK OF WHAT WE DO, OUR BOARD, OUR BOARD MEMBERS.

SO IS THIS THE, UH, WHICH ONE OF THESE, WHICH ONE OF THESE SURVEYS ROBIN CAME TO AS COMPLIMENT TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION THAT RUNS TO SEND THAT BOOK? THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CYNICAL MIND AT WORK HERE.

UM, I WOULD JUST REPHRASE THIS, UH, TO SAY THAT BOARD MEMBERS SAY A BREATH OF KAREN, UH, UM, EDUCATIONAL, UM, ISSUES LOCALLY AND NATIONWIDE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DEMAND THAT BOARD MEMBERS ATTEND SEMINARS.

I REALLY DON'T.

IT IMPOSES, IT IMPOSES A CLOCK ATTACHED TO IT.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T ATTEND SEMINARS.

I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE THE ONLY WAY THEY JUST SAY A BREADTH OF LOCAL AND NATIONAL, UM, EDUCATION, UM, TRENDS AND ISSUES I THINK IS ADEQUATE.

UH, I, I CAN, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.

I CAN, I CAN, I THINK I CAN GO WITH ALL OF THAT.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT YOU, MS. CAMPBELL.

I'M REFRIGERANT.

COULD YOU RE RESTATE IT?

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UM, BOARD MEMBERS STAY ABREAST OF EDUCATIONAL OF BOTH LOCAL AND NATIONAL EDUCATION ISSUES.

THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY.

MEMBERS STAY ABREAST OF EDUCATIONAL AND NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL ISSUES, RIGHT? YEAH.

THAT'S GOOD.

STAY ABREAST OF LOCAL AND NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL ISSUES.

RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

GOT IT.

DON'T PUSH TOO HARD THAT NO, AND FOLLOW DISTRICT AND STATE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES CONCERNING EDUCATION FOLLOWS THE BOARD IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND FOLLOWS DISTRICT AND STATE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES CONCERNING EDUCATION.

NO.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO COMMENT BACK WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO SHOW, YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN EDUCATION FROM OTHER AREAS.

BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THESE COURSES, A LOT OF TIME YOU SIT DOWN, YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SOME PLANS THAT THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE ACHIEVEMENT GAP, DISAPPOINTED ON OTHER ISSUES.

AND THEN YOU BRING THAT BACK TO YOUR BOARD.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

THAT, THAT I AGREE WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AND SUGGESTED IS THAT THAT'S NOT A DIRECTIVE FOR EVERY BOARD MEMBER TO DO, TO BE, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE ALL, I MYSELF KNOW, I NEED TO GO TO A LOT MORE, JUST A TOUCH BASIS WITH THE OTHER REGIONAL EDUCATIONAL EDUCATION.

WE GET BOWED DOWN SOMETIME UNTIL OUR LOCAL PAWN.

AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER PARTS OF THE OCEAN TO COUNSELING SCHOOL BOARD.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GOES ON IN THE BIG CITIES AND WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT, AND THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB, VERY WELL USE A LOT OF PARTS OF OUR POPULATION, BECAUSE IT'S VERY REFLECTIVE OF THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEMS AS SOME OF THE BIG CITIES.

THAT'S ALSO A GOOD OBSERVATION, BUT YEAH, WE AGREE WITH, WITH THE CONCEPT OF 23, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO PIGEONHOLE EVERYBODY.

THAT THAT HAS TO BE THE CASE.

YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS THAT A PERSON WHO IS ALMOST IMMOVABLE CAN'T BE A GOOD BOARD MEMBER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO TO THESE THINGS.

SO, YEAH.

YEAH.

20, I'M TRYING TO GET THE WORDING FOR 24.

YOU SAID THE BOARD IS KNOWLEDGEABLE OF IF WE GO WORDS AND FOLLOWS THIS AND STATE REGULATIONS AND PROCESSES.

YES.

YEAH.

BACK TO THE, THE STATEMENTS WE'VE ALREADY WORKED ON PAGE TWO, NUMBER ONE, ROBIN, IT SAYS THE BOARD FOLLOWS ALL LAWS.

YES.

WOULD YOU WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS INTO THAT BY SAYING THE BOARD FOLLOWS ALL LAWS, COMMA, DISTRICT, AND STATE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES CONCERNING EDUCATION.

WOULD YOU WANT TO COMBINE THEM? YOU TALKING TO ME OR, WELL, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY.

I THINK IF YOU COMBINE THEM, THEN ALL WE NEED TO DO IS PUT IN, IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THAT SENTENCE IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND FOLLOWS OUR LAWS.

YEAH.

BUT ISN'T THAT REPEATED AT LEAST, AT LEAST ONCE ELSEWHERE.

THAT'S FAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JOANNE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING BACK AT ONE THAT WAS DONE EARLIER.

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ROBERT, CAN YOU MOVE THAT UP ON YOUR SKIN A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN SEE WHERE IT WAS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YEAH.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND WHICH ONE WERE YOU TRYING TO COMBINE THAT WITH? NUMBER 24? I KNOW DISTRICT, NO, IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME KIND OF THING.

INDIVIDUAL VERSUS INDIVIDUAL LISTED QUESTION.

GENERAL BOARD IS THIS RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S JUST CRACKING.

SO THAT'S GREG DINA.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? JOANNE, CAN YOU READ IT ONE MORE TIME? I GO AND FOLLOW DISTRICT AND STATE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES CONCERNING EDUCATION.

UM, THE BOARD, I MEAN, IT'S FINE.

I JUST KEEP IT IN THERE.

THE BOARD.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT THAT'S COVERS EVERYTHING THAT'S NEEDED THERE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, BIG, I ALREADY GOT THAT ONE.

YEAH.

I'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE.

YOU CAN JUST TURN IT OFF.

MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THIS ONE NUMBER ONE IS TALKING GENERALLY THAT THE BOARD DOESN'T BREAK THE RULES.

AND I AM REALLY CONCERNED WITH EDUCATION POLICY IN OUR CONCERNS, THAT EDGE OF EDUCATION.

THAT IS THAT, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A DIFFERENT TWIST.

WHY WE JUST CAN USE THAT ONE THE WAY IT IS AN AD.

RIGHT.

W WE CAN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP A DOCUMENT, NOT TO NOT CAUSE WE HAVE LIKE 72 MORE QUESTIONS TO GO THROUGH THEM.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT, UM, CONCISE.

BUT MR. CAMPBELL, UH, TO YOUR POINT, WE MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK AND PUT ALL OUR QUESTIONS, PUT BOARD MEMBERS INSTEAD OF JUST THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR STATEMENTS.

YEAH.

BUT I DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN WE CAN LEAVE NUMBER 24 IN, AND JUST SAY, BOARD MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND FOLLOW DISTRICT AND STATE REGULATIONS.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

WHAT I'M, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITHIN THIS SUGGESTION BOARD MEMBERS AND THE BOARD STAND THE DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M JUST, I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE THE BOARD QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AS A UNIT AND SOME, UH, INDIVIDUAL.

YEP.

NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO THE ONES THAT ARE INDIVIDUAL, I PICKED LIKE THE BOARD MEMBERS OR BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD, THERE WILL SAY.

UH, BUT SEVEN DON'TS.

YEAH, YEAH.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

I SEE THAT DISTINCTION.

YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT.

ARE WE TAPING BOARD MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE OR ARE WE SAYING THE BOARD IS OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND FOLLOW THIS AND STATE REGULATIONS AND POLICIES CONCERNING EDUCATION? WHAT DID I SAY BEFORE? I THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

BOARD MEMBERS.

YEAH.

NOW NOT TO BELABOR THIS POINT AND I DO SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS, BUT WE CAN ONLY HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.

YEAH.

WE UNDERSTAND THE OLD THING IS, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE, HOW WE TWEAK THE BOARD AND SOME OF THE THINGS, IF THE MEMBERS ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIX FOR A NEW BOARD STANDPOINT.

SO SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEFORE WE CRITIQUE THE BOARD.

SOMETIME

[01:35:01]

WE LOOKED AT THE BOARD ACTION, AS YOU COMMONLY SAY, WHAT WAS THE BOARD ACTION? AND THAT'S THE CRITICAL MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT BE A WISE DECISION THAT WE MADE AS A BOARD, BUT SOMETIMES MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN DO IT.

AND SEVEN IS THE WAY WE READ THESE BEFORE WE PUT A NUMBER TO THE ONE AND THREE.

ALL RIGHT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NUMBER 25.

I COME TO BOARD MEETINGS PREPARED.

WE'LL ADDRESS THAT WHEN I REALLY, I THINK WE HAD THAT ONE EARLIER, RIGHT? WELL, YES, SIR.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THEY GOT ELIMINATED BECAUSE I THINK WE COVERED IT UP TOP THERE OR ELIMINATED UP TOP ONE OR TWO PREPARATION.

YOU KNOW, I WAS PREPARED.

I WAS NOT INAPPROPRIATE.

I WORKED CLOSELY WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES AND BODIES DOES THE BOARD DOES GO ON TO BE A QUESTION.

STOP WITH THE BOARD WORKS CLOSELY.

YES MA'AM YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED TO, THE BOARD WORKS CLOSELY WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES AND BODIES, RIGHT? INCLUDING THE COUNTY COUNCIL THEN INCLUDING OR JUST MY SIDEBAR.

YES MA'AM YEAH.

WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT YOU SAID.

IT SOUND GOOD.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE TIME.

THE BOARD WORKS CLOSELY WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

SOMEWHERE AROUND 27.

MR. ALLISON.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

27.

LET ME READ IT TO YOU.

UH, I DEVOTE THE TIME NECESSARY TO BE AN EFFECTIVE BOARD MEMBER.

WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE TWO THINGS.

YEAH.

RIGHT? WHAT IS THE TIME NECESSARY AND WHAT SAY EFFECTIVE BOARD MEMBER, EFFECTIVE BOARD OR NOT, BUT YOU GOTTA BREAK THAT DOWN.

SO I TELL ALL BOARD MEETINGS, UNLESS EMERGENCY SITUATIONS ARISE.

I THINK WE CAN KEEP THAT ONE.

AND I THINK MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT.

YEAH.

WE WILL SAY BOARD MEMBERS.

OH, THAT'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

[01:40:05]

I'M LEANING TO TWO.

WHY DO YOU WANNA TELL ME, GIVE US YOUR REASONING, RIGHT? OH, I, BECAUSE MY THING IS, IT'S NOTHING.

I SAID THAT BOARD MEMBERS DO WE, THAT WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS THAT BOARD MEMBERS MUST COME TO ALL MEETINGS.

THAT'S WHY WE SAY EMERGENCY.

I MEAN, NO, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

THEN SAY YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING.

I MEAN, WHAT IT SAYS IS IF WE'RE HAVING AN EFFECT, THE BOARD, DO WE HAVE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS TO BE EFFECTIVE? ANY WHICH WAY YOU CAN COME NOW PROCEED THAT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

NO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, JOANNE.

OKAY.

THAT'S THE END OF THE QUESTIONING IN THAT SECTION, WE GOT SOME, UH, GENERAL QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOING TO DO THE, WHAT DID WE SAY ABOUT THOSE? YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PUT THOSE F WORDS.

YOU DID THEM ALL.

YOU WERE GOING TO PUT THOSE AT THE END OF THIS DOCUMENT.

SO WHERE, WELL, WE NOW, WHAT NUMBER DO WE HAVE? THE NEXT ONE YOU WOULD BE ON PAGE ONE.

SO NEXT YOU WOULD START ON PAGE FIVE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE'S ONE OF THAT DOCUMENT.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE ALREADY.

UM, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE AT 23 QUESTIONS.

THERE'S 60 QUESTIONS ON THIS OTHER DOCUMENT.

I DON'T KNOW.

60.

HOW MANY DO WE WANT? THAT'S THAT'S SET A GOAL.

WELL, I THINK PEOPLE START TO LOSE FOCUS.

IF IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN 50 QUESTIONS.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE TO EVALUATE.

AND WE'VE GOT ALMOST EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.

YOU'RE AT 23 QUESTIONS.

SO WE NEED 27 OUT OF THE 60.

THERE'S ONLY 60.

THERE YOU GO.

IT WAS MORE, I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS COUNTING THESE TWO.

YEAH.

AND SO MR. CAMPBELL, IF WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND THIS, AND THEN WE GO BACK THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT OF WHAT WE'VE DECIDED ON, UM, I BET WE COULD ELIMINATE AND GET DOWN TO 50.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

I THINK WE GO THROUGH THIS THE SAME WAY WITH THE MINDSET THAT WE ARE GOING TO BLEND IT DOWN TO EVENTUALLY FROM WHERE WE HAVE FIVE OR SIX OF THESE ANYWAY.

SO, UH, YEAH.

YEAH.

WE ALREADY HAVE 20 SOMETHING.

WE'RE GOING TO FIND REDUNDANCY IN THERE.

SO YEAH.

SO, OKAY.

SO, SO IT'S 1250, 1241.

DO YOU WANT TO START ON THESE NEWS PAGES AND GO THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE SAY ME, I'D RATHER NOT, BUT YEAH, I HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK ON THESE, LOOKING AT THESE.

I DID THE FIRST 20 QUESTIONS ON THESE, BUT I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

CHECK GOLFING.

YES.

BUT ANYWAY, UH, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE JUST, UH, HEY, YOUR HOMEWORK WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO START ON PAGE FIVE WITH, UM, THE SCHOOL BOARD.

SELF-EVALUATION

[01:45:05]

ONE NOW THAT'S DIMENSION ONE.

IT STARTS OFF LIGHT BROWN LIGHT THING, DIMENSION ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH, LET'S DO THAT ONE.

THEN THE NEXT ONE LET'S DO THAT FOR HOMEWORK TO DO, WHEREAS 20 QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE AS MUCH TIME EITHER DISTRICT CAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUS FORMATTED.

BUT MR. CAMPBELL, IF OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS TO THE WORK SESSION AND THE WORK SESSION HAS BEEN MOVED UP.

SO MY GOAL WASN'T TO GET INTO THE WAY SESSION.

IT WAS NOT THE, NOT THE WORST.

OKAY.

MY MISUNDERSTANDING.

I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THIS TO THE WORK SESSION IN NOVEMBER.

NO, I EVEN TOLD THEM THAT WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE IT DONE.

AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE FIRST REPORT.

BUT WE CAN HAVE THIS DONE BY THE WORST SESSION.

NOT WORST.

IT SAYS NOVEMBER 14TH, RIGHT? YEAH.

MY MISUNDERSTANDING, I THINK I WAS THINKING OF THE UM, YES, SIR.

SO I APOLOGIZE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

BUT I KNOW WE LEARNED, UH, AT LEAST A COUPLE MORE WOULD BE THESE JUST TO GO TO THESE QUESTIONS, THEN WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK AND DO A, A FULL EXAMINATION EVALUATION, MAYBE THE LAST TWEET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION.

WHAT DOES THE CALENDAR LOOK LIKE TO DO THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER.

LET'S SEE WHAT I GOT SCHEDULED FOR THE SET FOR THE TUESDAY ELECTION DAY, YOU OR HAVE VOTED EARLIEST I'M WIDE OPEN AND THEN THAT'LL PROBABLY COVER ALL OF NOVEMBER OPPORTUNITIES.

SLIDE ONE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE DOING THE GUYS GIVING HOLIDAY.

SO COULD WE DO BABY THURSDAY? THE FIFTH IS FINE WITH ME.

OFF-CAMERA OH YEAH.

THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH AT 11.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

NOT NEXT THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH.

RIGHT? OKAY.

AND ANY QUESTIONS? THE COMMENT, A GOOD MEETING.

VERY PLEASED WITH OUR PROGRESS.

MAKE THAT WE ADJOURN.

SO MOVED.

ALL RIGHT.

BYE-BYE.