Oct 07, 2020 Board of Education

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FIND OUT WITH THAT PROGRAM. I JUST HOPE. PLEASE GO AHEAD.

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CAN YOU START OVER WITH YOUR SECTION? SURE.

>> THANK YOU, JEFF. IF I SHOULD INTRODUCED YOU AND GIVEN KIND OF YOUR QUALIFICATIONS THOUGH IF YOU DON'T MIND KIND OF START WITH THAT.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> SURE. GREAT.

THANK YOU, ROBERT. ONE SHIFT GARY. I'M A CERTIFIED INDUSTRIAL GENIUS OUATTARA KHAN AND MY EXPERTISE IN THAT COMES IN WITH INDOOR AIR QUALITY.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 20 YEARS HELPING OUT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OTHER CITIES WITH WITH MOLD ISSUES THAT MAY COME ACROSS GETTING INTO AS ROBERT ALLUDED TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MOLD AND THE ISSUE THAT CAME ACROSS WITH THIS IS ROBERT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE MOLD THAT YOU GET IF YOU THINK THERE'S A FIRE TRIANGLE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THREE THINGS SET FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T OCCUR.

IN THIS CASE WITH MOLD YOU NEED A MOISTURE SOURCE WATER OR HIGH HUMIDITY AND YOU NEED A FOOD SOURCE WHICH IS TYPICALLY GYPSUM DUSTER OR ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE WITH THAT.

>> SO GIVEN THOSE CONDITIONS IS THE MOLD WILL WILL GROW UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS.

NOW MOLD MAY GO FROM A GROWTH STAGE AND BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT.

IF ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT IN THE IDEAL CATEGORY FOR THAT SUCH AS IF THE MOISTURE SOURCE FROM A CONDENSATE IS NOT THERE 100 PERCENT OF THE TIME AND IT DRIES OUT OR IF YOU GO INTO A HEATING SEASON WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CONDENSATE YOU MAY NOT HAVE MOLD GROWTH IN THOSE SITUATIONS. ADDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU'RE IN A WALL CAVITY THERE SOMETIMES THEY GO UNNOTICED FOR YEARS JUST BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.

THE WATER FROM THE CONDENSATE COULD BE ABSORBED INTO THE CONCRETE SLAB FOR INSTANCE AND THAT COULD BE A PART SOME THE MOISTURE AWAY. SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING WATER TRICKLE OUT FROM H VAC SYSTEMS THERE. IN SOME CASES THERE.

BUT IN MOST CASES WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS YOU KNOW THE MOLD IS IN A WALL CAVITY ON THAT AND UNLESS THERE'S A WAY FOR THAT MOLD TO GET OUT THROUGH DISTURBANCE OR OTHER MEANS IT MAY STAY IN THERE AND PROLIFERATE FOR FOR SOME TIME AND JUST GO THROUGH WHERE IT GOES GROWTH CYCLE AND A NON GROWTH CYCLE DEPENDING ON THE MOISTURE AND FOOD SOURCE AVAILABLE WITHIN THAT WALL CAVITY THERE. I WOULD.

>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL ADD THAT WE FOUND WELL BRANCH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL ITSELF HAD DETERIORATED AWAY AS JEFF WAS ALLUDING TO THAT WAS KIND OF THE FOOD SOURCE. IT'S IT WAS PLYWOOD WITH STUCCO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT WITH PAPER WATER BEAR MOISTURE BARRIER. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND AS THOSE UNITS WAS TAKEN OUT WAS THAT THE MOISTURE BARRIER WAS GONE, THE PLYWOOD WAS GONE AND IT PRETTY MUCH DETERIORATED WAY THAT THE MOLD HAD EATEN THROUGH IT OVER THE YEARS AND IT CRUMBLED TO THE BOTTOM. SO THAT IS THE CONDITION WE FOUND WHEN THOSE UNITS WERE REMOVED. AND AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHEN WE CALLED TARIQ INTO DO TESTING. AND JEFF, YOU CAN YOU TELL US KIND OF WHAT WAS FOUND, WHAT THE TESTS WERE, WHAT KIND OF TESTS WE DID AND WHAT WAS

FOUND WITH THOSE TEST RESULTS CERTAINLY IN CASES LIKE THIS. >> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST AN ASSESSMENT OF AIRBORNE MOLD SPORES AND SEE HOW IT INFECTS A BUILDING ENVIRONMENT.

AND SO WE WILL COLLECT A SET VOLUME OF AIR ON A SPECIALIZED CASSETTE TO HAVE MULTIPLE

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SO FOR INSTANCE, ASK FOR JUST PENICILLIN AS A TYPE OF MOLD SPORE THAT WILL FORM FIRST IN MOST SITUATIONS. AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS IS THERE ESPER JUST PENICILLIN.

INDIVIDUALS FORCE HIGHER INDOORS THAN OUTDOORS. THAT'S ANOTHER INDICATION THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME PROLIFERATION OF MOLD INDOORS. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MOLD SPORES THAT ARE HIGH WATER ACTIVITY MOLDS FOR SUCH AS STACKING BOXES CHE CHROMIUM PLATINUM. THOSE ARE INDICATORS OF SOMETHING THAT'S A CHRONIC PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND SO WHEN WE DID THE TESTING WE TESTED NOT ONLY THE AREAS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DISTURBED FROM THE H BACK SYSTEMS BUT ALSO ADJACENT AREAS THERE AND IN SOME CASES IN THOSE AREAS THAT IT HAS BEEN DISTURBED THE MOST FOR WE SAW IN THE AIRBORNE WEAR LESS THAN OUTDOOR LEVELS AS FAR AS A TOTAL COUNT. BUT SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL SPORES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THAT WAY ARE HIGHER THAN OUTDOOR LEVELS WHICH SAID THAT HEY, WE HAVE SOME MOLD SOURCE IN THERE THAT COULD HAVE BAD DISTURB AND AND INTRODUCED THEM TO THE AIR ENVIRONMENT DURING THAT. AND THEN ONE OF THE ONES WE COMPARE TO ALSO ADJACENT AREAS WHERE THERE WAS NO WORK BEING PERFORMED AND THOSE METHOD GENERAL CRITERION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AIR QUALITY TO AS FAR AS THE TESTS THAT OCCURRED ONCE THE UNITS WERE FOUND TARRAGON WAS CALLED WE ACTUALLY TOOK TWO TYPES OF TESTS.

ONE WAS CALLED OH AND ALSO I JUST LOST MY TRAIN FOR THE AIR SAMPLE AND THEN OF COURSE THE

STICK SAMPLE WAS THAT COLD. >> SO THERE'S ALSO SURFACE SAMPLES.

YES. AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SURFACE SAMPLES JUST SETTLED SPORES ON THERE. IDENTIFY THOSE THAT MAY BE PRESENT AND OF COURSE WHEN THE INITIALS CAME BACK THE SURFACE TEST CAME BACK NEGATIVE FOR THE PRESENCE OF NO SPORES AND THEN

WE DID HAVE SPORES FOUND IN THE AIR IN THE BLUE POD. >> SO AT THAT TIME WE MET AND STOPPED CONSTRUCTION KIND OF STARTED DEVELOP A PLAN AND CALLED TRACON IN TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL TESTING. SO CAN YOU KIND OF GO OVER WHAT WE FOUND WITH THAT ADDITIONAL TESTING IN THE AREAS OUT? WELL, THE AREAS IN CONSTRUCTION AND IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL.

>> YEAH. AND I MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON THIS. I WAS JUST TALKING THE AREA IN THE CONSTRUCTION WE IDENTIFIED SMALL SPORES THAT WERE INDICATIVE OF SOME WATER INTRUSION ON THAT. THERE WAS SOME STARKEY BATTERIES THAT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN OUTDOORS. THERE WERE SOME ASH PAN. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN OUTDOORS. AND THOSE ARE JUST TYPE OF MOLD SPORES THAT YOU KNOW, ARE INDICATIVE OF WATER DAMAGE ON THAT. SO WHEN WE TESTED OUTSIDE OF THE AREA WHICH IS YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I THINK WE'RE IN THE BLUE POD THERE WHEN WE'RE TESTING OUTSIDE OF THE BLUE POD THERE WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THOSE ELEVATED MOLD SPORES OCCUR IN THOSE AIR SAMPLES THAT WE COLLECTED THERE. SO WHICH MET THE GENERAL CRITERION OF BEING LESS AN OUTDOORS AND NO INDIVIDUAL MOLD SPORES SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN OUTDOOR LEVELS ON THAT.

>> AND WHAT I SHOULD ADD IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD GOING FOR US AT BOTH SCHOOLS IS THESE UNITS THAT WE'RE REPLACING ARE ACTUALLY ROOM UNITS SO THEY ARE ISOLATED TO EACH INDIVIDUAL CLASSROOM. THERE IS NO UNIT AT EITHER BRANCH L OR WAY BRANCH MIDDLE THAT IN THESE AREAS THAT TRANSFERS AIR IN BETWEEN AREAS OF THE BUILDING.

SO THE GOOD NEWS IS ONCE THIS WAS DISCOVERED THE AREA WAS SEALED OFF.

IT WAS ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THE POD AREA AND AT THAT POINT WE DID ASK THE CONTRACTOR TO CALL IN A REMEDIATION COMPANY BROUGHT IN A REMEDIATION COMPANY TO BEGIN CLEANING THE

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ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S DONE ON THE REMEDIATION SIDE? >> CERTAINLY.

OH, WHENEVER WE HAVE A MOLD REMEDIATION PROJECT HERE WE WANT TO PREVENT TERMINATION FROM POINT A TO POINT B. AND WITH THOSE FLOORS JUST GENERAL MOVEMENT OF BUILDING MATERIALS OR DUSTING OR WIPING COULD SPREAD MOLD SPORES. IF YOU THINK ABOUT A DANDELION . ONCE IT BLOOMS THEY'RE JUST SIMPLY BLOWING OUT AND THE WIND WILL SPREAD THE SEEDS ACROSS. AND TYPICALLY THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WITH MOLD PRODUCTS ON THAT IS WHEN WE DISTURB THESE THESE MOLD SPORES OR VISIBLE MOLD GROWTH ON WALLS AND BUILDING SURFACES ON THAT JUST AIR CURRENTS. ONCE IT'S OPENED UP OR THE FACT OF JUST COMING IN AND TRYING TO CLEAN IT, WE COULD DISPERSE THOSE MOLD SPORES.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN THOSE UP OPPORTUNITIES HERE IS TAKE THESE MOLD SPORES AND KEEP THEM IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY'RE IN WHILE WE'RE CLEANING. AND THAT'S USUALLY DONE WITH ENGINEERING CONTROLS SUCH AS A LITTLE CONTAINMENT WITH THE PLASTIC BARRIERS AND PUT IN LARGE HEPA FILTRATION UNITS IN THAT WHEN THEY PUT HEPA FILTRATION UNITS IN THERE IT DOES TWO THINGS. ONE, IT FILTERS THE AIR FROM ONE THAT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE CLEANING PROCESS ON THAT. AND IT ALSO PUTS THAT AREA UNDER NEGATIVE PRESSURE WHEN THEY EXHAUST IT TO THE OUTSIDE. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS ALLOWS ALL THE PARTICULATES WHETHER IT'S A MOLDS FORD STORE OR CONSTRUCTION DUST, ANYTHING ON THAT TO COME INTO THE CONTAINMENT INSTEAD OF BEING SPREAD OUT FROM THE CONTAINMENT HENCE FILTERING AND THEN EXHAUST INTO THE OUTSIDE THEY'RE SO JUST ONE PART OF THE ENGINEERING CONTROLS OF .

>> AND SECONDLY WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE CLEANING MATCH THEY'RE CLEANING ALL VISIBLE MOLD FROM THE SURFACES THAT THEY SEE ON THEIR WIPING THAT DOWN WITH APPROVED CLEANERS.

AND THEN WHAT WILL THEY END UP DOING IS THIRD PARTY VERIFICATION TO MAKE SURE HEY, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY MORE MOLD THERE, THAT WE'VE WENT FAR ENOUGH ON OPENING UP WALL CAVITIES TO CLEAN THAT OUT AND THEN APPLY ANOTHER FUNGICIDE TO ALL SURFACES TO FURTHER TREAT THAT AND HELP PREVENT ANY RESIDUAL MOLD SPORES FROM COMING BACK IN THOSE PROCESSES.

SO WITH THOSE ENGINEERING CONTROLS AND CLEANING METHODS ON THAT THAT COULD BE DONE IN A REASONABLE MANNER AND CONTROL THOSE SMALL SPORES FROM SPREADING FROM POINT A TO POINT B. AND THAT'S A WHOLE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH ANY MOLD REMEDIATION PROJECT AND IN FACT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN ANY OTHER HAZARDOUS MATERIAL PROJECT ON THAT. IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROLLING OF THE CONTAMINANT AND KEEPING IT IN THAT ONE LOCATION. AND THAT'S SPREADING IT TO OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING.

>> WE GO INTO SAFETY NOW GET JENNIFER'S STATE IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO KEEP THE BUILDING AND EVERYONE IN THAT BUILDING SAFE MOVING FORWARD.

BUT BEFORE I GO FORWARD. A DISASTER. JEFF, IS THE BUILDING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SAFE TO HAVE ELEMENTARY STUDENTS IN THE BUILDING WHILE THIS WORK IS GOING ON? CERTAINLY, MILES. YES.

AND AS I TOLD YOU AND IT MADE BEFORE I HAD CHILDREN UP IN THAT AGE CATEGORY I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING THEM BEING THAT SCHOOL. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE WITH THESE ENGINEERING IS WHEN EMPLOYED THE ENGINEERING CONTROLS ON THAT CONTROLS THE CONTAMINANT FROM GETTING OUT. AND THEY OFTEN DO THESE WORKS IN HOSPITALS IN HIGH IN AREAS THAT YOU HAVE THAT NEXT TO ISOLATION ROOMS AND I SEE ROOMS IN HOSPITALS.

YOU KNOW, IF THIS EVER CAME UP IN A HOSPITAL, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME PATROLS THAT THEY WOULD USE TO PROTECT NOT ONLY THEIR PATIENTS AND THE OCCUPANTS AND THE EMPLOYEES AND

THE BUILDINGS ON THAT. >> JENNIFER, WOULD YOU MISSTATE AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT KIND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO AS FAR AS TO MAINTAIN AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S SAFE WITHIN THE

BUILDING? SURE. >> THIS IS STATE I'M THE RISK MANAGER NOW THAT I'VE TALKED TO THE BOARD ON VARIOUS SUBJECTS IN THE PAST.

SAFETY IS ACTUALLY THE ONE I WENT TO SCHOOL FOR. I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND I'M A CERTIFIED SAFETY PROFESSIONAL WHICH IS KIND OF SAFETY'S VERSION OF A LOT CPA IS TO ACCOUNTING. SO GOING FORWARD CARICOM WERE GOING TO HIRE TRACON TO COME OUT MONTHLY AND TEST THE OCCUPIED SPACES OCCUPIED CLASSROOMS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THEN THOSE RESULTS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO STAFF ANY AND FAMILIES OF ANY INDOOR AIR QUALITY ISSUES AND BETWEEN TIME WILL BE REPORTED TO BOTH THE MAINTENANCE AND MYSELF, MAINTENANCE WILL GO OUT WITHIN 24 HOURS TO SEE IF THERE IS YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE JUST A LEAKING CLOSET OR A SINK. WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THEN I WILL GO OUT TO THE

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I WILL JUST ADD BEFORE I KIND OF STOP AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS .

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SIMILAR TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ALTHOUGH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS IS A BETTER CASE. IT ACTUALLY WAS BLOCK CONSTRUCTION AND DID HAVE WAYS FOR THE WATER TO GET OUT. THE ACTUAL AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WERE INSTALLED IN THE SAME MANNER SO THEY DID HAVE THE OVERFLOW DRAIN LINES DISCHARGING INTO THE WALL.

THEY DID HAVE THE INTAKE VENTS WITHOUT SLEEVES SO THEY'RE ALLOWING WATER TO TO GO INTO THE WALL CAVITY. THEY DIDN'T. THEY DO HAVE WEEPS IN WE'RE LETTING THE WATER OUT OF THE WALL. SO THAT WAS GOOD AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL SITE. SO THE CONDITIONS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ARE SIMILAR BUT THE CONSTRUCTION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WON'T REQUIRE MUCH RE REMEDIATION OF THE WALL ITSELF.

SO WITH THAT UNLESS JENNIFER OR JEFF, THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, I'LL JUST STOP AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ALAN ALAN, STEP AWAY. MR. SMITH, MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE DO WE HAVE A DO WE HAVE A A PLAN THAT I MEAN DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA DO WE HAVE A PLAN AND CHECKS AIR QUALITY CONTROL THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING'S AS WELL AS CENTRAL AS WELL AS THE CENTRAL OFFICE AS WELL AS HOW ALL EXCUSE ME ALSO AND HOW OFTEN DO WE DO WE HAVE THAT IF

WE DO HAVE THAT GOING ON? >> HI, THIS IS JENNIFER. >> WE'VE HAD A PROGRAM IN PLACE FOR INDOOR AIR QUALITY PROBABLY THE LAST 17 YEARS OR SO. AND TYPICALLY HOW THIS GOES IS IF AN EMPLOYEE AT ANY BUILDING HAS A CONCERN THEY PUT AND THEY TALK TO WHOEVER PUTS IN THE WORK ORDERS IN THEIR SCHOOL AND MAINTENANCE COMES OUT AND CHECKS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE START WITH MAINTENANCE BECAUSE ALMOST MOST FREQUENTLY IT'S SOME SORT OF A WATER ISSUE WE TEND TO HAVE YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY HAVE WATER FOR MOLD SO WE GET THE RESULTS BACK FOR MAINTENANCE AND FACILITIES COMMUNICATES WITH THE SCHOOL AND SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE CLEANED WITH REPLACED FILTERS, WHATEVER IT IS.

LET US KNOW IF YOU'RE STILL HAVING A CONCERN. SO WHEN WE FOLLOW UP IF WE DO STILL HAVE A CONCERN, THEN I TEND TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN I WILL DRAW AIR SAMPLES AND ALL I'M PRETTY MUCH DOING IS DRAWING A KNOWN VOLUME OF AIR INTO A PAIRED CASSETTE AND THEN WE SEND THOSE OFF TO A LAB TO TEST WHEN WE GET THOSE RESULTS BACK.

WE COMMUNICATE THOSE WITH THE SCHOOL TELL THEM WHETHER THEY'RE GOOD OR BAD OR NOT GOOD OR BAD OR WE HAVE CONCERNS AND IF WE HAVE CONCERNS WE TELL THEM WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MAKE IT BETTER AND HOPEFULLY FIX PROBLEM. THEN WE WILL FOLLOW UP THE SCHOOL ONCE AGAIN WHETHER EITHER WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS CONCERN OR IF WE WILL MAKE THE REPAIRS AND THEN WE FOLLOW SCHOOL AGAIN IF THEY STILL HAVE A CONCERN THEN WE BRING TERROR ON IN TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING AGAIN AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE AND SEE IF THEY CAN FIND ANYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S THE PROGRAM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE. WE WILL STILL CONTINUES IT FOR THE WELL-BEING SCHOOLS.

WE JUST MAKE IT VERY EXPEDITED SO THEY WILL COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY.

WE HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON IN MAINTENANCE WHO WILL GO OUT WITHIN LIKE I SAID THE TWENTY FOUR HOUR TIMEFRAME AND THEN WE WILL DO THE TESTING THE FOLLOWING DAY.

SO WE'LL JUST MAKE IT AS QUICK AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON IN

THOSE SCHOOLS, OK. >> LET ME FORMULATE THIS QUESTION IN ANOTHER WAY AS WELL SO WELL. WELL LET ME LET ME BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO ANSWER.

WELL, I DON'T WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT I WANT TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS AT THIS

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>> THAT'LL TELL US IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE UNIT ITSELF. THE OTHER WAY, YOU KNOW, AS JENNIFER ALLUDED TO TO TO DO AN ACTUAL TEST OF AIR QUALITY, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONCERN EITHER SOMEONE THINKS THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE ROOM OR WE NOTICE SOMETHING LIKE WE DID AT WELL BRANCH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT CAUSED US TO COME OUT. THANKS IS.

THANK YOU. OK. SO BASED SO SO BASICALLY WE DON'T WE WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT CHECKS IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE MISSTATING IT, MRS. STAR, IN THIS CALL OUT THERE APPARENTLY AND THEN THERE HAVE BEEN NOTICED SO THERE'S A QUESTION FOR HER TO COME OUT THERE. SO MY QUESTION IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THIS DAY PLAN OR IS THAT A PROCESS THAT IS SET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR? IS MY QUESTION IS IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE? THAT IS CORRECT CAUSE IT TAKES WATER OR SOMETHING TO CAUSE IT.

>> SO IF THERE IS NOT A CAUSE OR AN ISSUE. YEAH, WE WE DO NOT CHECK RANDOMLY JUST EVERY ALL OF OUR FOUR MAIN SQUARE FEET ALL THE TIME FOR ISSUES THAT INCLUDES THE DISTRICT OFFICE AS WELL THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE DISTRICT OFFICE AT ANY TIME THERE'S A CONCERN WE WILL DO IS JENNIFER MISTAKE AND ALLUDED TO AND WE WILL CHECK.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR.. I THINK YOU'RE READING I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

ROBERT, YOU ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED TONIGHT WAS SHARED WITH THE PARENTS AND THE STAFF. IS THAT IS THAT TRUE? YEAH, PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE JUST GAVE YOU AS THE PRESENTATION IS WHAT WE GAVE TO PARENTS AND STAFF TURNOVER AS I SEE IT WAS ASIC GROUP THAT WE GAVE THAT PRESENTATION TO. OK, SO PROPERTIES ESPECIALLY THE THE PRINCIPALS EMAILED PARENTS THE INFORMATION INFORMATION AS WELL.

>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF THE SAME STUFF THAT YOU SHARED WITH US TONIGHT COMPETENT. CAN YOU JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT THE PARENTAL CONCERNS WERE WHEN WHEN IT WAS SHARED WITH THEM WERE STAFF CONCERNS OR.

>> YOU KNOW, I MEAN AT LIKE A THING YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORD MOLD, IT CAN BE A SCARY WORD. SO WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IT'S PRESENT, THERE IS A CONCERN.

BUT JEFF WITH TRACON WENT THROUGH THE SAME EXPLANATION OF WHERE WE FOUND HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH IT, HOW IT WOULD CONTINUE TO IF IT CONTINUED TO BE A PROBLEM, HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. AND I THINK AT THE END OF THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION WE WERE GIVING THEM AND THE WAY WE WERE ADDRESSING IT. SO YEAH, I'D SAY EARLY ON THERE'S CONCERNS BUT AFTER WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH EVERYBODY, EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON, EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING DECK YOU KNOW PEOPLE GET TO FORM A COMFORT LEVEL WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THAT WAS WHAT I GENERALLY EXPERIENCED. JENNIFER ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO

ADD TO THAT OR HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> THANKS.

YOU ANSWER STRAIGHT IN MY LAST QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE DID WE RESOLVE THEIR CONCERNS AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE DID BY AND LARGE. YEAH, TRUE.

OK. OK. THANK YOU.

MR. DOWLING, THANK YOU, ROBERT. >> I MY COMPUTER WENT DOWN FOR ABOUT TWO MINUTES SO I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS BUT I I HEARD YOU SAY THAT WHEN THERE'S A CONCERN YOU ADDRESS IT BUT THERE'S NO PERIOD MONITORING. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN THERE IS A CONCERN?

>> SO I MEAN THAT JENNIFER YOU CAN TAKE THAT AGAIN OR YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT WHEN THERE'S A CONCERN THE SCHOOL PUTS IN A WORK ORDER AND THEN MAINTENANCE GOES OUT TO CHECK ON IT.

WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S A CONCERN? WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S A SPECIFIC FORM CALLED AN INDOOR AIR QUALITY CONCERN FORM. YEAH, I'M SURE IT WON'T BE A FORM. YEAH. OK.

SO THAT'S THE RESULT OF TESTING. DID THAT CONCERN ORIGINATE?

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THEIR CLASSROOM. >> THEY JUST. WE ASKED THEM WE PUT IN A WORK ORDER AND THEN WE ASKED THEM FOR THIS FORM BECAUSE IT GIVES US MORE DETAILS ON WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING LIKE FUNNY SMELLS OR WHATEVER THEY THINK IS GOING ON.

>> OK, SO THERE'S NO SCIENTIFIC PLANT TESTING THAT HAPPENS PERIODICALLY IN OUR ROADS OF BUILDINGS. JUST TRY TO ANTICIPATE WHAT A PROBLEM IS BUILDING UP OR WHETHER INDEED A PROBLEM EXISTS. WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SYMPTOMS ARE MANIFESTED I WOULD SAY YES. AND I'D SAY AND JEFF, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS IF THAT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH BEST PRACTICES IN THE INDUSTRY THAT I'M AWARE OF .

JEFF THAT IS CORRECT. A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST DON'T GO OUT AND TEST IT AIR JUST TO TEST AIR. MOST WATER LEVELS ARE VARIABLE. THEY CAN VARY FROM ONE DAY OUTDOORS TO THE NEXT AND YOU COULD GET A SWING OF IT MAYBE FIVE EIGHT THOUSAND MOLD SPORES TOTAL COUNT OUTDOORS AND THE NEXT DAY YOU'RE AT ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND MOLD SPORES.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ENVIRONMENT. AND SO TYPICALLY FOR A PROCESS AS AS JENNIFER AND ROB ALLUDED TO WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND EVEN IN THE INDUSTRY IS IS IF THERE IS A REPORTED PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, A WEEK THAT DEVELOPS OR STAINS CEILING TILE FOR INSTANCE THAT THAT THE TEACHERS NOTICE AND THEY'RE THERE DAY TO DAY THEY CAN REPORT THAT BACK TO MAINTENANCE FACILITIES AND THEY COULD INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION ON THAT. BUT TYPICALLY TO THE SAMPLE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS THAT'S JUST NOT DONE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST THE VARIABLES ARE SO HIGH WITH THAT.

>> WELL, I I SEE THAT I WAS THINKING MORE MONTH TO MONTH OR QUARTER TO QUARTER TESTING.

ROBERT, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANY OF THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO BLESSED US WITH THIS SHODDY CONSTRUCTION?

>> I'M AFRAID I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'LL BE GLAD TO LOOK INTO IT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND REPORT BACK AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THE CONCERN HERE WELL IS THE HPC COMPANY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING BUT I WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO WHO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAR WAS FOR EACH OF THESE TWO PROJECTS BECAUSE WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE BUILDINGS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD.

IF THERE ARE ANY THAT BUILT VERY GOOD TIME FRAME. VERY GOOD POINT.

NOW I'VE GOT QUESTIONS VERY SIMILAR TO TO WILL'S AND JOHN AND THAT WHY AREN'T WE DOING PERIODICAL CHECKS AND IF JEFF IF I THINK I UNDERSTOOD JEFF CORRECTLY HE SAYS THAT THOSE NUMBERS FLUCTUATE BUT IF WE DID PERIOD GOOD CHECKS AND THE NUMBERS WERE WORTHY OF A WARNING I THINK WE'D BE WE COULD INVESTIGATE AND BECOME MORE PROACTIVE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SCHOOLS BUILT IN THIS DISTRICT THAT ARE BUILT ON VERY LOW LAND.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS AFFECTS THE OUTCOME OF MOLD BUT THEY'RE BUILT ON SWAMPS PRIMARILY AND WE'VE HAD SOME HISTORY IN TERMS ENTIRE SCHOOLS BEING REGISTERED FOR MORE AND HAD TO BE REMOVED.

SO GOING FORWARD I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF PERIODICAL CHECK, SEE WHETHER THE AIR QUALITY IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS.

I MEAN IT'S HARDER TO DETECTIVE IF YOU AS A PERSON GOING INTO THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY AND BECOME THAT BECOME THE NORM FOR YOU OR YOUR BREATHING PATTERN, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMETHING SOMETHING IS FOUL THAT NOBODY COULD DETECT BECAUSE THIS IS COMMON.

IT'S A COMMON GROUND THING. I DON'T KNOW IF JEFF HAVE ANY SKILLS OR EXPERTISE OR HISTORY ON THAT BUT YEAH, OUR BUILDING BUILT VERY, VERY MUCH LOW LAND. AND WATER SEEPS IN AT A SLOW PACE. ARE MANY TIMES TO THAT SLAB AND IT'S NOT DAY UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE FOR A LOT OF TIMES YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

JENNIFER AND ROB, IN TERMS OF PERIODICAL CHECKS, IF IT'S ONLY TAKES SOMEONE OUT THERE TO CHECK THE QUALITY AND I MEAN A WHOLE LOT YOU KNOW, EFFORT TO SAY IF I MAKE THERE THE THE EPA HAS A PROGRAM OUT THERE TOOLS FOR SCHOOLS THAT ADDRESSES INDOOR AIR QUALITY ON THAT AND IT'S NOT TYPICALLY RECOMMENDED TO GO OUT AND JUST DO AIR SAMPLES.

IT'S MORE OF A IN DEPTH THE VISUAL OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BUILDING AS IT'S IT'S

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THE FIELD. >> THIS SOUNDS GREAT. WE DO WHATEVER TO BE PROACTIVE

LIKE WE ACTED. >> IF I CAN ADD TO KIND OF WHAT JEFF SAID AND TO WHAT YOU SAID MAIL. I CAN AGREE COMPLETELY WITH US BEING IN A LOW LYING AREA IN SOMETHING WHENEVER WE DO THESE TESTS WE TEST THE OUTSIDE AS WELL AND SOMETIMES OUR OUTSIDE AIR AS FAR AS MOLD SPORES CAN BE VERY HIGH. AND ALSO OUR POLLEN COUNTS WHEN WE GET OUR MOST IQ REQUESTS ARE IN THE SPRING AND FALL WHEN FLOWERS ARE BLOOMING THINGS OF THAT NATURE OUT THERE AND THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE'S ALLERGIES KICK IN AND WHEN WE DO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE THOSE ISSUES. BUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S WHAT'S IN THE OUTSIDE AROUND US IT CAUSES A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS . I KNOW A LOT OF THAT IS LITERARY WITH SCIENCE IS ALWAYS FOUNDED IN TERMS OF THAT THOSE MOLDS.

BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUTDOORS . WHAT ABOUT INDOORS OR UNDERNEATH THE SURFACES ETC.? THIS OUTDOORS AT A PROLIFIC LEVEL ALL THE TIME IS REASONABLE TO THINK THAT SOMETIMES PREMISE THOSE THOSE ARE PHYSICAL STRUCTURES TO GREED THAT'S YOU KNOW MIGHT NOT BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AND EASILY DETECTED.

THAT'S BEEN OUR HISTORY IN THIS AREA. IN TERMS OF THAT GOING FORWARD I THINK WE WE NEED TO LOOK IN TO THE OILS WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE SCHOOL WITH THE MOLD PROBLEM HOW TO SHUT DOWN STERILE HANDLE WITH AS FAR AS THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON

THROUGHOUT OUR CHILDHOOD. >> ARTIE, LET US KNOW EXACTLY. I DO BELIEVE I HEARD ONE OF THE

CONTRACTORS DID GO BANKRUPT BUT I'LL VERIFY THAT. >> I ALSO SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE GUYS WHO REALLY IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO SPEAK UP SO I CAN HEAR GO BACK AND CHECK THE STATUS INSPECTOR WHO EXPECTED TO DO IT LEAVE.

>> OH, YES, SIR. MISS CAMPBELL. I DID CONTACT USF WHEN YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. I NO S.F. SAID THEY DID NOT HAVE RECORDS GOING BACK 20 YEARS TO WHO THE INSPECTORS WERE FOR THAT PROJECT THAT I DID AFTER YOU ASKED THAT AT I BELIEVE WAS AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING THAT WAS THAT ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

I DID FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH OS THAT I SPOKE TO SEVERAL PARENTS ABOUT THEIR LETTER TO YOU.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE WRITING PARTS LOOK AT THREE THROUGH THAT QUESTION AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S RATHER THAN JUST APPROXIMATELY WHAT'S IN THE COST OF REPLACING.

>> I'M DOING THIS FOR SO THAT'S WHAT I'M IN THE PROCESS OF GATHERING THE COST DATA BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO NOT ONLY IS THERE THE REMEDIATION OF THE AREAS THAT HAD FOR AIR QUALITY.

>> IT'S ALSO REPLACING SOME OF THE WALL PANELS THAT WHERE THE PLYWOOD INTERIOR FADED.

SO MY HOPE IS TO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND BRING IT TO THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE NEXT WEDNESDAY. SO I HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS BUT I'M NOT READY TO GET THAT OUT YET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL FINALIZED AND I HOPE TO HAVE THAT ON WEDNESDAY.

AND THIS QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR JENNIFER STOKER A PROBLEM LIKE THIS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE OR WHATEVER. SO WHAT'S OUR DEDUCTIBLE FOR AN ISSUE LIKE THIS A NO. I ASSUME WE PROBABLY STILL WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING HIT YOUR DEDUCTIBLE OR NOT? YOU WANT TO REPORT I'VE REPORTED IT BUT NOT THE MOST TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT THE CLAIM.

NO BECAUSE YOU NEED A COUPLE OF TRIGGERS FOR INSURANCE. ONE IS AN OCCURRENCE.

THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG TIME FRAME OF OCCURRENCE AND THE OTHER THING IS MOST INSURANCE POLICIES HAVE A VERY HEFTY MOLD EXCLUSION ON THEM. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO

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SAY. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MR..

>> MY QUESTION. SO DR. RODRIGUEZ, OUR KNOW WHAT OPTION DID WE GIVE THE PARENTS AND FACULTY AND STAFF ON ON PUTTING THEIR AND PLACING STUDENTS AND FACULTY STAFF

WORKING UNDER THIS UNDER TOUGH HEALTH CONDITIONS? >> I'M SORRY I MISSED THE LAST PART OF THE OTHER QUESTION I GOT THE FIRST PART OF THE LAST PART UNDER THE UNDER THE HEALTH CONDITIONS FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE YOU ON THE CONDITIONS AND ALSO HAVE WE CONTACTED D.A. BACK IN

BACK IN THE SAME THING. >> OK. >> SO ONE OF THINGS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT WHEN EVERYONE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF EITHER A MOVING STUDENT FROM WELL BRANCH ELEMENTARY TO SHANKLAND ELEMENTARY AND MOVING WELL BRANCH MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS OVER TO WILL BRANCH EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL AND AND AND MOVING FORWARD THAT WAY OR BECAUSE TRACON HAS SHARED WITH US THAT THEIR TESTING AND THEIR READINGS INDICATE THAT IT IS SAFE TO TO REMAIN IN THE BUILDING AND IN THE FACILITY. THOSE WERE ALL PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL STAYING REMAINING AND STAYING PUT AT AT THE AT THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES.

OK. AND BACK IN TERROR IS TERROR CARD.

IS THAT THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION OF IT? THAT'S RIGHT.

OK. DID DID THEY ALSO GIVE OUT THE THEY SAID THAT BOTH BUILDINGS

WERE SAFE TO BE IN. YES. >> OK.

AND MR. AWNING ASKING THAT QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING WHEN IT STARTED AND JEFF IS ON THE CALL FROM TRACON ON THE ZOOMED FROM TRACON. AND TONIGHT HE STATED THAT IT WAS SAFE AND THAT HE WOULD PUT HIS OWN CHILDREN IN THE BUILDING.

>> OK. GREAT. BUT WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE THAT RIGHT. SOME OF TO PROTECT US AS A DISTRICT.

CORRECT. >> ROBIN AND JEFF ON LEAVE IN YOUR REPORT.

>> I HAVE TO ASK JEFF OR IS CRAIG ON HERE IS IT SAY THAT SO MUCH SO MANY WORDS I KNOW.

HEY, I'M SORRY, MRS. I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. >> THE QUESTION THE QUESTION THAT IS EXACTING EVERY GUESS WAS THE HOW DID YOU WERE YOU WHAT YOU GOT WERE YOU ACCOMPANY ONE TO PUT IN WRITING THAT IT WAS SAFE FOR THE KIDS AND STAFF TO STAY IN THE BUILDING?

>> YES. >> IF WE ISSUED A REPORT ON THAT AND WE SAID THAT IN THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WERE OCCUPIED BY STUDENTS AND STAFF ON THAT THEY MET THE CRITERIA THAT THAT I ALLUDED TO EARLIER WHERE LESS THAN OUTDOORS AND THE TYPE OF MOLD SPORES ENDORSE INDIVIDUAL MOLD SPORES WEREN'T IN ANY ELEVATED COUNT VERSUS THE OUTDOOR LEVELS THERE. SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY SAID THAT HEY, IT'S NOT A CONCERN HERE BASED ON THAT CRITERIA, OK.

READY? YES, SIR. THAT'S IN THEIR REPORT.

OK. AND ALSO I HAVE WE CONTACTED I CAN GET AN IDEA TO PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING AS WELL. SO I'M GONNA ANSWER THIS JEFF AND SEE IF I'M RIGHT ON THIS.

BUT D HAG DOES NOT GET INVOLVED IN INDOOR AIR QUALITY. OK, SO THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE HAD OTHER ISSUES AND THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY ANY SAY AS FAR AS INDOOR AIR QUALITY.

THANK YOU SIR. IT'S OUR SHOP REALLY THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED .

>> WERE THERE ANY COMPLAINTS FROM STUDENTS, STAFF, FACULTY PARENTS PRIOR TO THE DISCOVERY ? THIS IS JENNIFER. WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TIME LAST YEAR. WELL, BRANCH MIDDLE SCHOOL AND WE FOLLOWED OUR PROCESS WHERE MAINTENANCE WENT OUT AND THEY FOUND A COUPLE ISSUES WHERE WE'D HAD LEAKS WITH THE AC UNITS. I WENT OUT AFTERWARDS AND DID THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY TESTING AND I COULDN'T FIND A CONCERN. I COULDN'T FIND ELEVATED LEVELS OF MOLD OR ANYTHING THAT CAUSED JUST A CONCERN. THE STAFF STILL HAD CONCERNS SO WE CALLED TRACON AND CARICOM CAME OUT AND THEY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING OF CONCERN EITHER. SO WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND THIS CURRENT SITUATION IS IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'VE BREACHED THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

SO IT'S LIKE I HANDED YOU A BAG YOU WANT OR YOU CAN JUST STAND THERE AND HOLD IT.

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NOW I WOULD ADD AS FAR AS WELL BRANCH L. WE'VE NOT HAD IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ANY ANY CONCERNS THAT I'M AWARE OF BROUGHT TO ATTENTION. THANK YOU.

[Donation from Vaden of Beaufort to Whale Branch Elementary in the amount of $10,000 for Teacher and Student Supplies.]

>> THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT. >> WE'RE NOW DOWN TO BOARD BUSINESS ACTION.

>> THE MOTION FOR CAMERAS FROM THE BEAVERTON CHAIR TO ACCEPT DONATIONS.

>> MAYBE WE'LL GET OVER HERE WITH 1 2 2 4 6 7 SECOND CAMPBELL AND GO BY ANY

DISCUSSION VOTING IS OPEN. >> YES, YES, YES. >> MOTION CARE AND ZERO NOW.

>> YES, MR. CAMPBELL. YES. I'D LIKE TO TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WE WE VISIT THE PROCESS OF ACCEPTING DONATIONS. SECONDLY, I THINK I'VE MENTIONED THAT BEFORE AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARAMETERS WE COULD CREATE POTENTIALLY A SYSTEM WHERE EQUITIES I MEAN ARE MADAM CHAIR.

>> YES. I THINK MR. CAMPBELL'S CONCERN WELL-FOUNDED BUT IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST WOKE UP AND PASSED ON. SO PERHAPS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR A FUTURE MEETING OR A CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BUT I DON'T THINK IT COULD COME SUGGESTING SUGGESTING POLICY,

JOHN. >> BUT I DIDN'T MAKE AN EMOTION YOU MAKE AN EMOTION MELTDOWN WE THAT WE VISIT IT I'M MAKING A MOTION THAT WE WE REVISIT IT AND I DON'T MAKE EMOTIONS.

>> WELL, WHY DON'T YOU WAIT UNTIL NEW AGENDA, RIGHT? I'M SAYING GEE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ON THERE. ALL RIGHT. I COULD DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT. >> I GUESS I'D LIKE TO THANK THE VEGAN OF PETA FOR ITS GENEROUS DONATION TO WELL BRANCH ELEMENTARY. AND LET'S GET THEM A ROUND

OF APPLAUSE ON OUR AGENDA. >> IS THE DISCUSSION IMPORTANT VIDEOTAPING PROCESS?

[Discussion of Board Video Taping Process]

I BELIEVE IT HAD TO THEY HAD TO GO THE DAY OF VICTORY IF THEY FOUND IT SO SO SO COULD WE GO

TO AND LEARN WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND HOW THAT WORKS? >> MOLLY, WOULD YOU PLEASE I'M WITH YOU THAT CURRENTLY EVERYTHING IS RECORDED AND ZOOM COUNTY CHANNEL IS LIVE STREAMING THIS. SO THEY TAKE THEIR FEED AND THEY PUT IT UP ON OUR WEB SITE USUALLY A COUPLE OF DAYS THINGS THAT AREN'T RECORDED BY COUNTY CHANNEL ARE ALSO RECORDED IN ZOOM. FOR ME TO EDIT AND THEY'RE PUT UP ON YOUTUBE CHANNEL AND A

COUPLE OF DAYS USUALLY WE DO HAVE ARCHIVES ON OUR WEB SITE. >> AND I THINK THE VIDEO THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WAS AN AUDIO CLIP THAT WAS PUT IN GOOGLE DRIVE AND THE LINKS WERE SOMEHOW BROKEN TO THAT. SO I AM IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE VIDEOS AND

UPLOADING THEM AND THE LINKS ARE BROKEN. >> SO DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE

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QUESTIONS? >> YES, MA'AM. ALSO WHEN WE WERE THE FIRST FOR INSTANCE WHEN WE WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING SUCH OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING, WHAT'S THE PROCESS HOW LONG HOW LONG SHOULD IT DO WHAT IT DOES IT TAKES TO UPLOAD IT FOR ME TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT F F IT CURRENTLY SINCE WE'RE GOING TO MEETINGS AND COUNTY CHANNEL IS BROADCASTING THOSE F COUNTY CHANNEL IS BROADCASTING THOSE THEY WOULD BE PUT UP BY COUNTY CHANNEL ON THE COUNTY CHANNELS WEB SITE BUT THEN A COUPLE OF DAYS IF NOT SAME PROCESS I

JUST DO IT AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE AND ALL. >> AND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SURE THERE THERE IS. BASICALLY WE ARE SURE THAT ALL THESE THAT ALL THESE WILL NOT GET LOST IN THAT WE HAVE A BACKUP SYSTEM TO BACK TO BACK UP THE BACKUP.

>> I DO HAVE THEM BACKUP ON AN EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE AND THEY ARE ON YOUTUBE AND THEY ARE

STORED SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> RIGHT. HAD NO OFFERS TO YOU, MOLLY, BUT IS ANYONE FROM I.T. OR ON THE LINE AS WELL? BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MOLLY. DOES SHE EARN ROBIN? THEY DO DO A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE TECHNOLOGY. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW FROM THE THE I.T. DEPARTMENT AS IN WHAT PART THEY PLAY IN THIS AS WELL.

IF IF IF ANY TEAM DOES NOT PLAY ANY PART I AM THE ONLY PERSON BECAUSE MS. I CAN'T CONFIRM FROM I.T. THIS IS MARK JOE ON THE COUNTY CHANNELS DOES STORE ALL THEIR VIDEOS ON GRANDIOSE WHICH IS BACKED UP AT THE CARLISLE. OUR VIDEOS ARE STORED ON YOUTUBE WHICH ARE ALSO BACKED UP IN THE CLOUD AND MULTIPLE SITES WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.

SO ALL THOSE VIDEOS ARE BACKED UP AND STORED BUT I.T. HAS VERY LITTLE ROLE AND THEY ARE THE PRODUCTION AND OF THESE VIDEOS . THANK YOU.

MR. CAMPBELL, THE QUESTION I THINK YOU DO IS YOU HAVE YOUR AGAIN MR. CAMPBELL.

I THINK ROLLING MY EYES DOWN. YEAH. YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. FUTURE AGENDA TOPICS JUST GIVEN THE THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

[Future Agenda Topics]

>> AS A FUTURE AGENDA TOPIC I SUGGEST THAT WE DO A LESSONS LEARNED ON THE FUEL K 12 CONTRACT. WHAT WHAT WE WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM OUR EXPERIENCE IN THAT MR. DOWLING I HAVE BEEN ASKING SINCE AUGUST FOR REVIEW OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLAR EFFICIENCY STUDY.

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SOON PREFERABLY BEFORE THE ELECTION MR. NOW.

YEAH. WELL MR. DARLING YOUR NOT HE E-MAILED YOU AND THAT WAS PUT

ON THE NOVEMBER WORK SITE. >> YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

>> THIS IS THIS. YES. BUT IF IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION SINCE THEN THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MISINTERPRETED WHETHER THAT THE REQUEST IS THEY THINK THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A FULL BLOWN STUDY.

ALL I WANT IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF POSITIONS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED ADDING AND WHETHER OR NOT YES OR NO THEY HAVE BEEN ADDED OR YES OR NO THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDED. IT SHOULD TAKE 15 MINUTES. IF SOMEONE'S WHO'S ON TOP MR. MALIKI, I'M GOING TO ALLOW JOHN TO TALK TO WILL. THIS WOULD BE A NEW AGENDA ITEM. BUT I WANT A MOTION THAT THAT THE POLICY COMMITTEE REVISIT THAT POLICY OF HOW WE RECEIVE DONATIONS. I KNOW I JUST WANT THE POLICY

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IF WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE POLICY COMMITTEE WENT BACK AND FORTH. BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED WITH HOW WE RECEIVED DONATIONS AND THOSE THOSE THOSE LIMITS ARE YOU KNOW, HOW BIG THEY CAN BE. CETERA YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IT'S OUR YES. >> I WOULD LIKE AN ASTEROID ON IMPACT FEES. COUNTY COUNCIL IS IN THAT PROCESS SINCE THE BOARD'S

ACTION ON MR. DARLING I APOLOGIZE. >> I WISH NEGLIGENT IN REMOVING MY HAND FROM THE RIGHT. SO NOW WHERE I'M GOING BACK INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION LOW

[Executive Session]

[Action as Necessary or Appropriate Regarding Matters Discussed in Executive Session]

CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AUTHORIZES SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK CONTRACT WITH JAKE NASH PROJECTS AS DESCRIBED IN OUR 1 1 0 0 2 SEPARATE MADAM CHAIR.

>> POINT OF ORDER. YES, WE CHARGE MRS. ROE BLIND TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER OR PERHAPS NOT TURN AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE SHE WAS FADING IN AND I REALLY

ONLY CAUGHT ABOUT A QUARTER OF WHAT SHE WAS SAYING. >> SO IN THIS BETTER TIME.

>> YEAH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I'VE BROKEN THE SAME TO TWO PARTS, OK? SO I EDUCATION AUTHORIZED THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK CONTRACT WITH JAKE DUNN FOR ROBERT SMALLS INTERNATIONAL ACADEMY GRADUATES AS THE SCRIBE IN IRA G.

>> TWENTY ONE DASH 0 0 2 AND A COPY GIVE DEMOTION AND ATTRITION GINGRICH SECOND AND SO ON. THE NOTION THAT BECAUSE I PREDICTED TO BE BECOME A BAR SHOULD BE RAISED HYPOTHETICAL THAT ROBIN YES I'M THE RIGHT SAYING IT WOULD MAKE YOU NETWORKS. ANY DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT.

VOTING IS OPEN. >> NO. YES.

YES. >> THE MOTION CARRIES EIGHT TO TWO NOTES OR DOWLING AND MR. SMITH AND DR. RICE EXCUSE NOT PRESIDENTS MEETING WE HAVE ANY FURTHER AT YES.

>> YES. YES, MADAM CHAIR. I'M AUTHORIZED TO SUPERTANKER EXECUTE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER RISK CONTRACT WITH ON THE BATTERY A SCHOOL PROJECT.

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>> LET'S JUST IN OUR 20 1 0 0 2 WE HAVE A SECOND EARL CAMPBELL SECOND GROUP PROBABLY PUT THAT

UP GETTING IT. >> I KNOW YOU ARE HERE AT THE. >> TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

YEAH. >> ANY DISCUSSION, MR. SMITH? I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT I THINK THESE CONTRACTS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO BOARD MEMBERS JUST BESIDES ONE DAY OR A COUPLE A COUPLE HOURS IF WE WERE IN THE BUILDING UPON EXECUTIVE SESSION TO READ THESE DOCUMENTS THAT WILL CONTAINS POSSIBLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE WHAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT FOR US TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS EVEN IF WE HAVE A LINK TO WHERE YOU CAN ONLY SEE IT IN THE END THAT IN THAT LINK. SO I MEAN THIS IS STILL THIS IS STILL A CONCERN OF MINE. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THESE. THANK YOU.

IT'S OUR JOB IS JUST A QUICK QUESTION. PROBABLY BARBARA DOBBIN COULD ADDRESS HERE BUT HOW MANY YEARS HAVE WE BEEN WORKING WITH M.B. CON CONSECUTIVELY ROUGHLY.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WITH THE DISTRICT FOR SOME TIME AND I'VE OFTEN SAID BEFORE THAT ANDY CARD IS ALMOST SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING FOR COUNTY CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT IS NOT HISTORY THERE?

>> A NUMBER OF YEARS TOTAL. THIS IS IN BIG CON. WE GAVE THEM THE RIVER RIDGE AND MAY RIVER THAT WAS KIND OF THEIR BIGGEST JOB BEFORE THEY'D BEEN DOING SUMMER WORK.

AND I'D HAVE TO GO LOOK TO BE CERTAIN. I MEAN AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, FIVE PLUS YEARS MAYBE NOT TEN BUT FIVE PLUS YEARS. CONTAINING YOUR PROJECT

COMMENTS. >> VOTING IS OPEN. NO.

YES. YES.

JERRY 7 3 2 NO. EXCUSE ME THE OUT WE HEAR YOU. >> CARRY 7 3 AND THE LOWS ARE DARLING OR SHAQ AND SMITH MR. EARL CAMPBELL OH OH THERE'S ONE STATE THAT IS SO GOOD WITH BOTH

TIMES MINIMUM CONTRACT RIGHT? >> PORTER MOORE WAR FOUGHT A WAR THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOTION THAT IS OUT OF ORDER. MADAM CHAIRMAN, THAT IS A PERSONAL PREFERENCE AS AN OPINION THAT CAN BE RELAYED TO ME OVER EMAIL.

>> I'LL ALLOW IT BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THIS MOTION THE MOTIONS PASSED FOR EXACTLY THIS

FACT. >> THESE ARE OFTEN COMMENTS AFTERWARDS.

OH OK. NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LISTEN.

>> BERNICE MISSILES WOULD BE BETTER SPENT ON THIS FRONT AND WE DID NOW MORE THAN ANYTHING I'VE COME TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT WE HAVE FOX NEWS . LOOK, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BLAME THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR THIS BEING THE FACE TO FACE THE MORE THAN REDRAWING OF WITH

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SO MY RECOMMENDATION A WHILE ON THE JUSTICE WHITE MR. SMITH AND ALSO YOU KNOW, JUST TO RESPOND TO MR. CAMPBELL'S TO HIS COMMENT, YOU KNOW, MY TIME IS JUST AS VALUABLE AS STAFF TIME.

>> YOU KNOW, STAFF HAVE THE TIME AND THE AND OTHER AND THE ATTORNEYS OF LOOKING OVER THESE CONTRACTS, TAKING THEIR TIME ON IT AND LOOKING AT THIS AT IS AT IS EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE CONTRACT AND DIGESTING IT OVERNIGHT AS A BOARD MEMBER, WHY AM I NOT GIVEN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY? WHY DO I HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WITH THE BLINK OF AN EYE TO MOVE FORWARD? SO ONCE AGAIN I'M NOT PUTTING MY EMOTIONS.

I'M PUTTING I'M BASING OFF OF FACTS AND ALSO BEING TRANSPARENT AND PEOPLE TRUSTING ME TO MAKE SOUND DECISIONS WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THIS IS NOT MY MONEY THAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE ELECTED ME TO DO A JOB. SO THAT'S THAT IS THAT IS THAT THAT IS THE ISSUE AT HAND? YES. I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REQUEST MR. CAMPBELL REPEAT HIS COMMENT BECAUSE I WAS UNABLE TO HEAR ANY OF IT.

I WAS ALSO I NEED TO BE HERE TO MAKE YOUR RESPONSE TO EARL STEWART.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT WAS SAID BETWEEN BRINGING THIS CRUSHING BURDEN.

I NO ONE COMING TO LOOK AFTER TAX REVENUE SHOULD FOR BEAR, YOU KNOW, ON I UNDERSTAND SOME OF US WOULD MIND OF OUR JOB. BUT AS A BOARD MEMBER WE HAVE MOSTLY RESPONSIBILITY ALSO PEOPLE PAY THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THEM SAY AND MY RESPONSE WAS GOING FORWARD THAT TYPE OF COMMENT RELATING TO THE MOTION SHOULD BE DONE DURING THE DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED AFTER

THE FACT. >> THAT WAS MY COMMENT. NOW AND I GAVE MR. SMITH THE

CHANCE TO RESPOND BRIEFLY. >> THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER ACTION FOR YES. >> IT'S NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE PROVE THE SUPERINTENDENTS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EMPLOYMENT LISTED OUT THE SEPTEMBER 1ST 2020 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH PUTTING 20 PERSONNEL RATIFICATION REPORT.

>> WE'VE GOT A SECOND SET OF FULL IMPLEMENT THEM. >> DAVID WE SPENT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU DISCUSSION IT BE NO

ANSWER. NOT VOTING IS OPEN. >> YES.

YES. IT'S NOT. HOW ARE YOU VOTING?

>> YES. THE MOTION CARRIES 10 0. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER ACTION APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY? GOOD ABSTENTION. YES, MA'AM.

CHAIR. I MOVE. WE APPROVE.

THE SUPERINTENDENT IS RECOMMENDING ACTION FOR THE MONTHLY ADULT EDUCATION HOME SCHOOL REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER TWENTY TWENTY SOUGHT FROM STUDENT SEGMENTS.

>> ANY DISCUSSION VOTING IS OPEN? YES.

YES. YES. YES.

MOTION CARRIES 10 0. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER ACTION? YES, MADAM CHAIR.

MR. DOWLING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THIS LAST MOTION? >> SURE.

I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME THOUGH. >> OKAY.

WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SUGGEST POSSIBLY SOMETHING, SIR.

OKAY. OH MY GOD. >> WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE MOTION AND I'LL GIVE IT A VERY BRIEF REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT RIGHT.

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>> I WOULD DO THAT. THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AUTHORIZES SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE THE CUSTODIAL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH HECS FACILITIES AS DESCRIBED ARE A TWENTY ONE

DASH 0 0 5. >> MR. GUY. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GET IT RIGHT. PUT IT UP THERE. >> OK.

>> IT'S UP THERE. MADAM CHAIR? YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT ADDING TO THE WORDS ALREADY INTO MOTION THAT THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT JUST THREE YEARS WITH POSSIBLE TWO YEARS EXTENSIONS EXTENSIONS ARE TO BE

APPROVED BY THE FULL BOARD AND THE SECOND PART. >> SECOND I'M SORRY I WANT MORE TIME WITH THE PAST WITH THE EXTENSION OF THREE YEARS FOR THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS WITH TWO POSSIBLE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS SAID EXTENSION FOR WOMEN THE TERM

OF THE CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS WITH. >> WITH THE POSSIBLE WITH TWO

POSSIBLE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS EXTENSIONS. >> OK SCHEDULE EXTENSIONS WILL BE APPROVED MUST EXCUSE ME SAID SIX EXTENSIONS MUST BE AH I'M SORRY I'M SORRY SAID EXTENSION SUBJECT TO BOARD APPROVAL C I KNOW THAT THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AUTHORIZED THE SUPERINTENDENT OF TO EXECUTE THE CUSTODIAL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH HECS FACILITIES AS DESCRIBED IN RFP TWENTY ONE PERIOD TERM THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS WITH TWO POSSIBLE ONE YEAR EXTENSION SAID EXTENSIONS ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD APPROVAL THAT COURSE IN

RESTORING. >> JUST A MINUTE. >> SO ROBIN, COULD YOU PLEASE? SO REALLY THE AMENDMENT SHOULD JUST BE THE ADDITION OF THOSE WITH ONE OR TWO OR THREE SENTENCES. SO WE SHOULD VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST.

SECOND, THE MOTION IS OH I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. >> IT'S PREMATURE.

THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. SO NOW GO AHEAD, MR. SMITH.

I'LL ASK YOU CAN SHE PUT THE CAN SHE PUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK SHE SAYS SUBJECT TO IT I DON'T THINK YOU SAID SUBJECT I COULD DO THAT LAST PART AGAIN DISCUSSION MARRIED TO KICK IT

DOWN. >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO STUDY SUBJECT TO SHOW BE

APPROVED BY THE BOARD? >> NO. OUR SUBJECT APPROVAL MEANS THAT THEY CAN'T BE EXTINCTIONS CANNOT BE MADE ON WHICH THE BOARD APPROVES IT.

>> OK. >> OK. >> BY STAR SHORE SHELL WOULD BE MORE BEFORE SQUANTO SWALLOWED WORRY. SO ROBIN.

YES. THE FIRST PART OF THAT REALLY SHOULD BE NOT THERE IS MORE VOTING JUST ON THE FACT OF THE DEAL THAT THE EXTENSION DOES REQUIRE VOTER APPROVAL.

OK, ACTUALLY REPORTING I ADDED THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT JUST THREE DAYS STEP IS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION SO THE AMENDMENT WE'RE VOTING ON THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS WITH TWO POSSIBLE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS SAID EXTENSIONS ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD APPROVAL.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON ADDING RIGHT. SO.

SO REMOVE THE FIRST PART OF IT. YES. >> WE'LL VOTE ON THAT IN A MINUTE. MR. DOWLING? YES, YOUR NAME IS UP.

NO, IT'S NOT. OK. HANDS UP.

CAMPBELL. MR. DARLING, I THOUGHT YOU WANTED THAT TO BE ADDED TO THE

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>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, HE'S THERE. BUT THE BUT HIS VIDEO IS NOT ON

. >> ALL RIGHT. >> HE SAYS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S GONE NOW. VENTURE. YEAH.

>> WAIT A SECOND. PATRICIA CHADWICK SNATCHED AN ELEPHANT.

GO GET HIMSELF. GO. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS REDUNDANT. YES. YOU HAVE VERIFICATION FROM MR. REGGIE MURPHY THAT I MEAN THIS IS THIS IS OUR BOARD POLICY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF AGAIN. SO THIS IS A REDUNDANT STATEMENT, RIGHT.

THANK YOU. DAVID BROWN. >> I'M SURE IT IS REDUNDANT BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HARMLESS. AND TO TO RESPOND TO MEL'S QUESTION, I WOULD NOT SECOND IT. IF IF THE MOTION WAS TO PUT IT IN A CONTRACT BECAUSE THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE BOARD IS MAKING TO THE SUPERINTENDENT IT DOESN'T BELONG IN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE DISTRICT AND AN OUTSIDE VENDOR. IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT. THIS IS A REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE DISTRICT.

SO I SECOND I SECOND THE BECAUSE OF THAT I WOULDN'T SECOND IT IF YOU TRIED TO PUT

IT IN A CONTRACT. >> THAT'S SIR I JUST A CLARIFICATION CREATION.

DID YOU SAY THAT REGGIE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A BOARD POLICY STIPULATING THIS AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS REDUNDANT? WHAT DID YOU WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?

I WAS HAVING TROUBLE HEARING. I'M SORRY. >> IT'S JUST A POLICY AND IT HAS TO BE GOOD TO TRY TO WORK ANYWHERE OUTSIDE COUNTRY. I'M SORRY YOU COULDN'T HEAR.

>> BOTH WERE SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIME. I WAS JUST WANTING TO CONFIRM IF THIS IS REDUNDANT IN THAT THAT CONTRACT OF THIS DONALD RIBAUT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE

BOARD. >> OK. >> THANK YOU.

THAT MAKES SENSE. >> AND YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO BRING IN FRONT OF THEM.

>> THAT HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD IF IT HAS VALUE OF ZERO POINT ONE PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET WHICH IS ROUGHLY 300 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS. THIS IS A FIVE MILLION A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. SO IT HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD. SO I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO

BECAUSE WHY DO WE NEED POLICIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE? >> THAT'S MY OPINION.

IS IT HARMLESS? IT'S HARMLESS. BUT WHY ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING POLITE SO. GOOD TO DO BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT.

MR. I THINK THIS IS CAPTAIN IF THE CHIEFS AND NAILS TO BETTER HELP US TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT COMING FORWARD TO THE BOARD AND I TOO DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN

THIS. >> AND MR. DALLAS COMPUTER WENT DOWN I BELIEVE I WILL.

I WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF THAT, MR. CAMPBELL. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO BEAT THIS ANYMORE. RIGHT NOW THE NO NO MR. DOWLING, WE'RE VOTING.

>> HOW DO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR YOUR MOTION? YES.

JUST CAME ON, MR. DOWLING, YOUR MUTED. DO YOU WANT ME TO VOTE YES FOR

YOUR MOTION? GOT YOU, MR. MELVIN CAMPBELL. >> NO REASON THE MOTION FAILS

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SO NOW WE SO THAT'S FAILED. THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT. NOW ROBIN, COULD YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WAS THE PART THAT YOU HAD IN FRONT OF THESE.

THANK YOU TO THE GEORGIA. >> SO YOU KNOW ME I LIKE TO TALK BACK ON THE MOTION TO BED SINCE MR. DARLING WAS THE MAKER OF THAT LAST AMENDMENT AND HE HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND MOST THE EXCHANGES AND DISCUSSION ON IT MAIL HAVE MADE A VERY VALID POINT TO JOHN.

I'M SURE IT GOT IT THAT JOHN HAD REALLY WANTED TO ALTER IT THE CONTRACT NOT SIMPLY REITERATE WHAT BOARD POLICY SAYS. SO IS IT WORTH REVISITING GAVE HIM A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. WE ARE IN UNUSUAL TIMES HERE AND YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER

AMENDMENT BECAUSE THIS ONE FAILED. >> WELL I'LL LET I'LL LET MR. DOWLING IN IN A HASH THAT OUT HOW HE WANTS TO PROCEED. I MEAN IS HE CONNECTED NOW?

>> YES. SO YOU'RE SO YOU'RE SO. >> DID YOU HEAR YOUR AMENDMENT

DID NOT PASS BUT LIKE I'M AWARE. >> NO, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE

IT ANOTHER AMENDMENT WHERE YOU WANT TO ALTER THE CONTRACT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT ALTERING THE CONTRACT TO STATE EXACTLY WHAT MY AMENDMENT SAID IN THE FIRST

PLACE. >> THAT'S THE REASON DISCUSSION.

>> THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE ARE IN EFFECT APPROVING A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT BECAUSE IT CAN BE EXTENDED WITHOUT BOARD APPROVAL AND A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT TO A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE BUSINESS WITH YET I THINK. AND THAT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL DOLLAR COMMITMENT ON OUR PART. I DON'T THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO HAVE TO EXTENSIONS WHICH HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN VIRTUALLY AUTOMATIC FOR COMPANIES DOING BUSINESS WITH US IN THIS IN

THIS ARENA. A SECOND MR. DARLING'S MOTION. >> YES, I DID, MADAM CHAIR.

>> I SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. YES, MA'AM. >> THAT ROBERT, ARE YOU STILL

WORKING ON THE WORDING? >> I GOT IT UP THERE. OK.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO.

LET'S SEE WHAT KIND OF THE HANDS BACK UP METRO LINE. JOHN, WOULD YOU STATED INSTEAD ACCURATE THE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THE CONTRACT HAS TO COME

BACK FOR A BOARD APPROVAL TO BE EXTENDED. >> THAT'S THAT'S BEEN FACTUALLY

STATED. SO I DID IT IN THREE YEARS. >> ROBERT, YOU AND I MAY BE GOING. IT'S BETTER TO DOCUMENT THIS NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING A WORD OF REASSURANCE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT THERE IS NO RECORD .

THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST DUE DILIGENCE. I'M DOTTING I'S AND CROSSING

T'S, THAT'S ALL. >> MR. NOW TOM, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO HAVE IT WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD AND LIKE HAPPENS TO CHANGE THE BOARD POLICY YOU KNOW OR NEGATED IT REQUIRING THAT SUCH AND SUCH CONTRACTS MEETING A CERTAIN DOLLAR THRESHOLD MUST BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

CORRECT. CORRECT. OK.

THANK YOU. THAT HELPS. NO THANKS.

>> I'M. I DON'T I DON'T THINK MOTION UP ON THE SCREEN IS JOHN'S MOTION

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AND AN EXTERNAL VENDOR. >> SO I THINK EXCUSE ME KATE, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?

YEAH, I THINK THE WORDING GIVES A LOT OF HOT AIR. >> IT'S A TERM OF THE CONTRACT.

BUT YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING YOU WANT AND IT'S A TERM IT'S IT'S SO THAT THE EVENT IS TRUE THAT THE CONTRACTOR KNOWS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE GETTING AUTOMATIC EXTENSIONS IN THE EQUITY TO THEIR MARIS FARM. SURE. YES.

I I AGREED WITH YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION. I VOTED FOR IT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU THAT THIS BELONGS IN A CONTRACT. I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE

THERE'S NO JUST TO PLAY DEVIL'S DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR A SECOND. >> WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACT IF I'M CORRECT, I BELIEVE YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT IN YOUR CONTRACT TO GIVE THE COMPANY EVEN THEY IF THEY WANT THE CONTRACT EVEN THEY CAN TAKE IT OR THEY CAN DENY IT. BUT I I SEE WHERE WHAT MR. TRIPLES ARE SAYING THAT'S ALSO SEE HIM AS A VALUE SAYING I DON'T DO THAT. IT HURTS ROY HOW IT ONLY HARMS THE CONTRACT. HOWEVER, THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I THINK THAT IS ONE THAT IS VALID IS THAT ONE OF THE BOARD POLICY CHANGES AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD AGAIN THEN. NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WILL WHAT WILL HAPPEN WILL NOT HAPPEN IF WE'RE NOT HERE. AND HOW CAN WE HOW CAN WE REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT THIS WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD? HOW WE CAN DO THAT IS PUTTING IT IN THE CONTRACT AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE OVERLOOKED. SO YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE. BUT I THINK THAT IF I'M IF I'M A CONTRACT AND YOU OFFER A 6 BEING ON A CONTRACT AND YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE EVEN SEPARATE, I'M NOT GONNA

ACCEPT THAT. >> THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST HOW I PERCEIVE THINGS.

THANK YOU, MR. STRANGER. FRIEND OF SHARE. I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE TO BE PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON FUTURE BOARDS. THAT THEY'LL DECIDE WHAT POLICIES THEY WANT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE REALLY GOES TO SIMPLIFICATION THAT WE PUT RESTRICTIONS ON FULL ON FUTURE WHICH EVERY TIME WE PASS A POLICY FOR GOD'S SAKE

. >> GOOD. WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? WE IT'S IT'S PERFECTLY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO MAKE THIS RULING.

IF SOME FUTURE BOARD DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN CHANGE IT. GOVERNOR, I KEEP TRYING TO GET

IT DOWN. OK. >> WELL, VOTING IS UNDER NO SCRUTINY NOW I'M SURE. I STILL DON'T THINK THAT WILL STOP ON THE SCREEN OF STRONG'S MOTION. I THINK IT'S TO ALTER THE CONTRACT TO STAGE THAT LECTURE UPON SAYING YOU THINK THE ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING IS THAT TO STAGE TO ALTER THE CONTRACT TO STAGE THAT THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT IS THREE YEARS WITH TWO POSSIBLE ONE YEAR

EXTINCTIONS OR THE BOARD APPROVAL CARD. >> YOU DON'T NEED IN THE

CONTRACT. I'M SORRY. >> I'M JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T MISUNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THOUGHT YOU WANTED THE BOARD

APPROVAL TO BE IN THE CONTRACT. >> I SAID EXTENSION TO SUBJECT BOARD APPROVAL.

OK, OK. I MAYBE I'M READING THIS BUT AGAIN.

>> OK. AND I'M VOTING GIFT SO. YES.

SEVEN NOW AND ONE ABSTENTION. SO THE MOTION FAILED. MR. DARLING, DON'T.

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>> YES. YES. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NOW ONE LAST TIME. CAN YOU PUT UP THE ORIGINAL MOTION BECAUSE THIS IS NOW JUST THE ATF. WHAT WAS THE REGULATION? I THINK MS. YES, YES. YES.

SO ROBIN CAME THE VERY FIRST MOTION AND YES. >> YES, MA'AM.

I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO IT. I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO SAVE THEIR KEPT WATCH AND READ IT WHILE I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU KNOW, THAT THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AUTHORIZED THE SUPERINTENDENT TO EXECUTE A CUSTODIAL SERVICE CONTRACT WITH HHS FACILITIES AS DESCRIBED IN IOWA. WHY DO YOU WANT ASH 0 0 5? ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOTION WAS MADE BY KEVIN RUBIN AND SECONDED BY MR..

SINCE THERE WAS SO MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TERM CONTRACT AND HOW SUBSEQUENT RENEWALS WOULD TAKE PLACE. CAN WE JUST HAVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION PERHAPS FROM MR. MURPHY WHOMEVER THE CONTRACT CURRENTLY READS FOR THAT PARTICULAR PASSAGE JUST SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHY WE WERE DEBATING ADDING A VERY CLEAR STIPULATION ABOUT THE RENEWAL OF THE CONTRACT. YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT? YES.

WHOEVER CAN BEST ANSWER I'M NOT CERTAIN. >> OK.

BUT THEY ARE, SHE SAYS THERE'S A BASE TERM OF THREE YEARS AND THEY'RE TWO ONE YEAR OPTIONS

AVAILABLE IS THROUGH AN AUTO RENEWAL IN THERE. >> IF WE DON'T REPLY WITHIN A

CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT IS THE STIPULATION, REGGIE? >> NO, MA'AM, THERE'S NO.

WE NEVER PUT AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL ART PIECE. WE WE ARE OPPOSED TO THAT.

SO IT HAS IT HAS. DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION IN ORDER TO EXERCISE THE

OPTIONS? THANK YOU, RICH. >> ACTUALLY I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THIS CONTRACT DUE TO I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR SO LONG AS EVER AS I'VE DONE FOR A LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THAT I THINK THAT CUSTODIANS AS WELL AS BUS DRIVERS SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE DISTRICT SENT TO THE DISTRICT OFFICE AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE

DISTRICT STAFFS. >> I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO BRING THESE BRING THESE CONTRACTS BACK TO THE DISTRICT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE AND ALSO HOW MONEY WORKS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING TAXES AND WHO ARE ASKING TO VOTE ON RIBAUT REFERENDUMS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WHO WILL BE THE CUSTODIANS WHO WOULD TAKE PRIDE AND WHO WOULD HAVE A SERIOUS BY TO THESE SCHOOLS THERE AND INDEED IN THE DISTRICT OFFICE THAT THEY ARE

WORKING ON. >> SO YOU KNOW, FOR ME AS A KID MY MY CUSTODIAN MEANT A LOT MY MY CONSTITUENCY SOMETHING THAT I DID AND THAT DID THAT WAS OUT OF POCKET AND IT WAS CORRECTED BY HIM. HE DIDN'T GO TELL A TEACHER OR SHE CAN GO TO A TEACHER.

SHE WILL LET ME KNOW YOU KNEW BETTER. AND I THINK THAT THE SAME PROCEDURES THAT WE TOOK TO MAKE THE TO MAKE THE BUS DRIVERS BETTER BACK AS DISTRICT EMPLOYEES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE THOSE SAME STEPS AND MEASUREMENT AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BRING BACK OUR CUSTODIAL STAFF TO THE DISTRICT . SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS UNTIL WE START TO TAKE THAT SERIOUS ROUTE. EVERYTHING WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST.

EVEN BEFORE WE WERE TO GO OFF WHAT ARE BOND REFERENDUMS ARE ENDING THE ACTS TO BE ASKED THE COMMUNITY FOR MONEY BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMUNITY DISTRICT AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS AS WELL BESTED WHEN INVESTED AND WE TALK ABOUT JOBS. WE TALK ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES IN HIS DISTRICT THAT THIS IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IN THE SAME WAY HOW WE MADE A QUICK A QUICK PLAN TO BRING THE BUS DRIVERS BACK AND SO FORTH.

I'M SURE THERE MAY BE HICCUPS AT THE BEGINNING OF IT AS THERE WAS WHEN WE BOUGHT BUS DRIVERS BACK. THIS IS THIS LOOK AT THIS SAME ACTION CAN BE TAKEN TO BRING THE CUSTODIANS BACK AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PRIDE TO RESTORE TO THE DISTRICT.

AND SO FOR THAT I CAN NOT VOTE FOR THE FALL FOR THIS CONTRACT AND MY AND I'VE HAD TO HAVE HAD SEVERAL MY CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE VOICED THAT BECAUSE THAT CONCERN TO ME AS WELL.

SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT CONTRACT. THANK YOU.

>> ALL THINK IT'S HELPING GELDING DON'T USE MEL CAMPBELL .

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>> YES. I CARRIES STATE TO THE TUNE. THOSE ARE DOWLING AND SMITH.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER ACTION IS NECESSARY AND APPROPRIATE? NO, MADAM CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS LANGUAGE.

>> NO, NO, CAMPBELL, I DID IT. >> THANK YOU. ALL DAVID.

>> ANY NAMES

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