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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORD COUNTY DAUGHTER.
WOULD YOU ALL JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ERIC YOU'RE ON MOVING YOU.
EVERYTHING'S BEEN PUBLISHED APPROPRIATELY, SIR.
THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 4TH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS, AMENDMENTS SEEING? UH, I, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES EVERYONE'S ON MUTE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR HAND.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, ESPECIALLY JASON.
BEFORE WE GET INTO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA CHAIRMAN? I WILL TELL YOU THAT MR. STEWART, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE NOW HAS JUST JOINED.
SORRY FOR THE TECHNICAL PROBLEM.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? I CAN'T.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, KEVIN, ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? ERIC, KEVIN MADE A METTLER AND MENTIONED THAT HE COULDN'T HEAR ANYBODY.
WHILE WE GET THE AUDIO VISUALS AND IN SYNC TECHNOLOGY.
BEAR WITH ME A MINUTE FOR A SECOND WHILE WE TAKE A BRIEF RECESS.
KAREN, CAN YOU HEAR KEVIN? NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
ARE THERE ANY, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY, UM, DISHES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA HEARING? NONE.
WE'LL MOVE TO THE FIRST NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, UM, AVAILABLE VIA FACEBOOK WRITING OR EMAIL? I CAN'T HEAR YOU, ERIC.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF LETTERS THAT I NEED TO READ TO YOU ALL REGARDING ONE OF YOUR ITEMS LATER ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? I CAN EITHER DO IT NOW OR WE CAN DO IT WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM.
WHY DON'T WE WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT ITEM AND WE'LL READ THOSE CITIZEN COMMENTS PERTINENT TO THAT AREA.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE COMMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT ON VIRTUAL MEETINGS NOW OR LATER ON? UM, GO AHEAD AND READ THAT.
UH, THIS IS FROM ATTORNEY TOM TAYLOR SAYS, DEAR CHAIRMAN PAPPAS.
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A CLIENT WITH AN IN-PERSON, ONE OF THE PROPOSED ACTION ITEMS ON THE PUBLISHED AGENDA FOR THE BEAVER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF MAY FOUR 2020.UM, OUR RIGHT DATA ADVISE YOU YOUR FELLOW PINE COMMISSION MEMBERS OF COUNTY STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION DAYS SAID, I BELIEVE THE VIRTUAL MEETING FORMAT IN WHICH THE MAY FOUR 2020 MEETING AS BEING UNHEALED DOES NOT PROVIDE A LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY ACTION ITEMS REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THUS, I BELIEVE ANY ACTION TAKEN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON AN ITEM REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WAS EITHER VOID OR VOIDABLE FOR THAT REASON.
I STRONGLY URGE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS TO DELAY ANY FORMAL ACTION ON ITEMS THAT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING UNDER BRIEFER COUNTY'S ORDINANCES OR SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTORY LAW UNTIL SUCH TIME, AS WE CAN ALL RETURN TO ACTUAL PILOT MEETINGS THAT ALLOW ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO A REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE REVIEWED THE SACRAMENTO STATUTES CASE LAW WITHOUT COURT EVALUATING WHETHER A REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE SO SUFFICIENTLY HELD DURING A VIDEO CONFERENCE.
YOU MEANING OF A CALL IT BODY.
MY ANALYSIS BEGINS FIRST WITH THE SARCOMA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT USC CODE SECTION 30 DASH FOUR 10, WHICH SPECIFICALLY DOES AUTHORIZE PUBLIC BODIES, SUCH AS PINE AND COMMISSION TO MEET VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING.
C-SECTION 30 DASH FOUR DASH 20 D MEETING MEANS THE CONVENING OF A QUORUM OF THE CONSTITUENT MEMBERSHIP OF A PUBLIC BODY, WHETHER CORPORATE LAW OR BY MEANS OF ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT TO DISCUSS OR ACT UPON A MATTER OVER WHICH THE PUBLIC BODY HAS SUPERVISION CONTROL OF JURISDICTION OR ADVISORY POWER.
HOWEVER, NEITHER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES ACT AT SOUTH CAROLINA CODE ONE DASH 23 DASH 10 ADDRESSES THE INTERPLAY OF A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WITH AN ELECTRONIC MEETING.
AND NEITHER SPECIFICALLY DEFINES THE REQUIREMENTS OF A PUBLIC HEARING IN EITHER AN ACTUAL, UH, PER PARENT WILL PHYSICAL OR VIDEO CONFERENCING MEETING.
DOES WE MUST ANALYZE THE NORMAL REQUIREMENTS ON A PUBLIC HEARING AND EVALUATE WHETHER THOSE REQUIREMENTS CAN BE MET BY A VIDEO CONFERENCE.
WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN REQUIRED AS PART OF AN IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS FOR A NEW OR AMENDED OR NOT SEE IMPLICIT INTENTION OF THE REQUIREMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR, AND INDEED TO SOLICIT TRUE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, UNLESS WE ARE WILLING TO ADMIT THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS ARE SIMPLY WINDOW DRESSING TO APPEASE THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTO BELIEVING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OTHER PUBLIC BODY ACTUALLY SEEK PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
THEN WE MUST TREAT THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT AS BESTING IN THE PUBLIC, CERTAIN DUE PROCESS RIGHTS TO PROVIDE INPUT IN A MEANINGFUL MANNER, APPARENTLY MEDICAL DUE PROCESS RIGHTS NORMALLY ATTACH WHEN THAT INDIVIDUAL'S PROPERTY RIGHTS, CHURCH, STATE C BROWN V AIR POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD, UH, SOME SIGHTINGS THERE THAT I WILL NOT READ, UH, PROCEEDING, WHICH COULD AFFECT ONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS HAS GOVERNED BY FUNDAMENTAL PROP PRINCIPLES AND REQUIREMENTS OF DUE PROCESS OF LAW IMPAIRMENT.
ALTHOUGH DUE PROCESSES, ELUSIVE CONCEPT, IT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED AS EMBODYING THE DIFFERING RULES OF FAIR PLAY REQUIRED IN PARTICULAR SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHEN APPLIED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE CONCEPT OF DUE PROCESS OFTEN RAISES YOU ISSUES OF THE EXTENT OF THE PUBLIC STRAIGHT DISSIPATING IN THE LEGISLATIVE MEETING DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, I SHOULD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, FOR EXAMPLE, BE ALLOWED TO QUESTION OR CROSS EXAMINED PI PLANNING, COMMISSION MEMBERS, WITNESSES, OR STAFF, BUT ONE THING SHOULD BE CLEAR WHERE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT OF A PUBLIC HEARING DUE PROCESS REQUIRES THAT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY ENSURE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF COVID-19 OUTBREAK, WHERE THE PIKE COMMISSION IS MEETING VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING.
IT IS PATENTLY OBVIOUS THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THE FACT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN NOT HAVE A GUARANTEED ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FORUM BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS EITHER THE ELECTRONIC ACCESS NECESSARY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.
NOT EVERYONE HAS THE CONNECTIVITY REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING AND NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SOPHISTICATION HUMAN KNOW-HOW TO USE THE VIDEO CONFERENCING APPLICATIONS BEEN USED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNTY TO FACILITATE THE ELECTRONIC MEETING.
IT IS SIMPLY UNFAIR TO MANDATE THE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC BE REQUIRED TO HAVE COMPUTER ABILITIES, A COMPUTER AND HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS TO PARTICIPATE IN A REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
IN FACT, NOT A TRUE PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE UNDER ALL ACCEPTABLE SOCIAL NORMS, WE KNOW CERTAIN SECTIONS ARE A VIOLATION WILL BE EXCLUDED HAVING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT.
WHILE I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION OR STAFF AND THAT THE COMMISSION IS SIMPLY DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF SOCIAL DISTANCING.
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THE ACTUAL WILL BE THE SAME.SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE EXCLUDED FROM A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT WILL PUT IN A LEGAL JEOPARDY, ANY ORDINANCE FOR TEXTING ADOPTED THROUGH THE VIDEO CONFERENCING PROCEDURE, WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUIRED, THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE PARAGRAPHS.
UM, FOR THOSE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT PLANK MISSION DELAY VOTING ON ANY ACTION ITEMS THAT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT EVERYONE CAN BE SURE ACTIONS APPLYING MEASURES ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL CHALLENGED MUCH YEARS DOWN THE LINE AFTER BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS HAVE SPENT SUBSTANTIAL MONEY AND INVESTED SUBSTANTIAL TIME IN RELIANCE UPON THE ACTION OF THIS PUBLIC BODY THAT WE'RE TAKING THEM CLEAR YOUR GARAGE STATION OF PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AS A FINAL MATTER OF RESTRAINT, THIS LETTER BE MADE OF PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD AND OUR PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED DURING THE MAY FOUR 2020 BUFORD COUNTY PINING COMMISSION.
THAT IS A OLD LETTER, BUT IT WAS SENT THE DAY.
SO I REREAD IT INTO THE RECORD AGAIN TODAY.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS THAT CONCLUDES THAT.
UM, ANY, ANY I CARE TO MAKE A COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION IS THAT LETTER FROM THAT'S FROM TOM TAYLOR, AN ATTORNEY ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND.
AND WAS IT FOREST CASE THAT CAME BEFORE US IT'S FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU WILL HEAR LATER ON THIS EVENING AND HAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AN OPINION ON THAT LETTER, HOW WE SHOULD ACT, UH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS GIVEN ME, UH, THE, AN OPINION ON THAT LETTER AND YOU ARE IN HIS OPINION, UH, SHOULD HAVE ADOPTED THE VIRTUAL MEETING RESOLUTION, UH, A PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, LEGAL TO CONDUCT THIS MEETING FORMAT.
AND I BELIEVE MR. PAPPAS REACHED OUT TO AN ATTORNEY TODAY AS WELL.
UH, BUT, UM, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF THIS BOARD MEETING AS, UH, AS, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS.
WE ARE FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCEDURES THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS USING TO CONDUCT THEIR MEETINGS.
THERE ARE OTHER DISCIPLINES THAT ARE TAKING THINGS STAND THAT WE ARE ERIC ILLEGAL MEETINGS, AND WE WILL DISCUSS LATER ON THIS EVENING, WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO GO BACK THE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
I HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WITH THOSE BODY.
SO I DO DO THAT BEFORE THE CONCLUSION OF OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
MODIFY THE AGENDA ACCORDINGLY TO INCLUDE THAT DISCUSSION PUBLIC MEETINGS IN PERCUSSION.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, MR. STEWART, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE ACTION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, ERIC, ARE THERE ANY THAT YOU'RE AWARE OR HAVE WRITTEN? NO, THAT'S ALL OF THEM OKAY.
THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS TIME.
GET TO THE, LET'S GO TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION TWO, MULTIPLE SECTIONS CLARIFYING THE DEFINITION OF CONDITION FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND GUESTS.
I'M NOT SURE IF NOAH IS ON NO, I'LL, I'LL HANDLE THIS ONE.
UM, INSTIGATING GIVING SOME QUICK BACKGROUNDS.
WE HAVE THREE, I WOULD SAY MINOR CHANGES THAT WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT, KIND OF AS A, AS WE GO THROUGH THE CODE AND WE ENFORCE IT OVER TIME, WE REALIZED THAT WE HAVE SECTIONS THAT WE NEED TO, TO PROVIDE GREATER CLARITY.
AND, UM, SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, UM, I GUESS, COUCH THE NEXT THREE ITEMS IN THOSE TERMS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF A MID-COURSE CORRECTIONS IN, IN, IN LOOKING AT OUR CODE AND HOW IT'S WORKING THIS FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING VERY PARTICULAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCEPT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUT IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY HAS AN, UH, AN APARTMENT ABOVE A GARAGE OR, YOU KNOW, S YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY USE OF PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE THEIR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
UM, IN OUR CODE, WE PRETTY MUCH ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY
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DWELLING UNITS IN THAT.UM, WE ALSO ALLOW FOR SOMETHING CALLED GUESTS.
AND THE ONLY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT A GUEST HOUSE IS BASICALLY FOR, AS IT TYPICALLY IS, AS IT DESCRIBED, IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, YOU TO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS VISITING.
THEY COULD STAY IN YOUR GUEST HOUSE, AND WE HAVE DRAWN THE DISTINCTION, OUR ORDINANCE, IF THE GUEST HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE KITCHEN, SO IT'S NOT A STANDALONE UNIT.
UM, WE FEEL THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE SOME GREATER CLARITY IN OUR CODES AND HAVE THESE TWO KIND OF FALL UNDER ONE CATEGORY, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS THAT WE'RE DOING THIS FOR ONE.
UM, W WHAT WE WANT IS A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR BUILDING A GUEST HEALTHIER PROPERTY.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD APPLIES FOR BUILDING A NEW CLUSTER.
AND THEN WHAT THEY HAVE ARE BASICALLY TWO ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, WITH THE WAY THAT CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND WE FEEL THAT THAT IS NOT THE INTENSITY CODES, AND IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH, WITH, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE OWNER IS THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUT DON'T ALLOW GUESTS.
AND IF WE THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE MORE INTENSE, YOU KNOW, A BIT MORE INTRUSIVE, THAT WOULD BE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE UNIT THAT YOU RENTED TO ANYONE, FOR INSTANCE, SOME THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE FAMILY VISITING.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A DISTRICT TO ALLOW A GUEST HOUSE OR ALLOWING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, BUT NOT A GUEST HOUSE.
AND SO IN LOOKING TO THE CODES, WE FELT THAT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THIS ISSUE IS TO TREAT BOTH AS ONE UNDER ONE HEADING AND THAT'S ACCESSORY DWELLING IN IT.
AND THAT SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR THAT.
IF THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM LEASE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO A THIRD PARTY OR FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBER TO STAY.
THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT WE GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, WE AT THE FINDING DEPARTMENT LEVEL OF NEED TO REGULATE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF A REAL QUICK RUNDOWN.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE FOUND IN LOOKING AT THE CODES, ACCESSORY USES TYPICALLY ARE NOT PUT IN OUR MAIN USE TABLE.
IN ARTICLE THREE, WE HAVE A SPECIAL SECTION IN ARTICLE FOUR THAT ADDRESSES ACCESSORY USES.
AND THAT COVERS EVERYTHING FROM DWELLING UNITS DOWN TO THINGS LIKE FISH PONDS, AND OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT ARE NOT THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT ARE ACCESSORY.
AND WE DEFINE THIS, THE, UM, UH, CONDITIONS FOR EACH AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHICH DISTRICTS, UM, THEY'RE PERMITTED.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO CLEAN UP IN THE CODE IN, IN MAKING THIS CHANGE.
UM, AND IF I, HAVEN'T CONFUSED ALL OF YOU AT THIS POINT, I GUESS RIGHT NOW I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY ANYTHING I HAVEN'T COVERED, WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THE QUESTION AND ANSWER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN IF I CAN HEAR YOU, YOUR MUSIC GOT IT.
UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AND A GUEST HOUSE WOULD STILL HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT JUST THAT IT'S, UM, SECONDARY TO THE, THE LARGER 12, BUT, UH, NO SMALLER THAN 300 SQUARE FEET AND NO LARGER THAN 1200.
SO IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE HEADING OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AND I THINK IT'S, UM, 1000 FEET OF SQUARE FEET OF, OF SPACES TO MAXIMUM.
ONE USE ONE DEFINITION, RIGHT.
AND THE SAME WOULD APPLY FOR ANY KIND OF SETBACK.
IT WOULD NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THIS.
THE SETBACK REQUIRES ALL OF THOSE, WHATEVER IS IN THE DISTRICT COULD, UM, THIS, UM, UNIFIED USE, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO, UM, THE MAIN DWELLING? I MEAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU PULLED OUT, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ATTACHED NECESSARILY, BUT IT COULD BE YOU'RE CORRECT.
IN THE, BY ATTACHED THERE'S TWO WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE METERED SEPARATELY, DO YOU HAVE A SEPARATE ADDRESS? WE FELT THAT THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES ARE NOT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE REGULATING.
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IT'S REALLY UP TO THE OWNER.IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A GUEST HOUSE WITH JUST A BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM, AND IT'S FOR PEOPLE VISITING, THAT'S FINE BECAUSE THE DISTRICT ALREADY ALLOWS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND REHAB THAT TO INCLUDE A KITCHEN AND RENT IT OUT TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED TO USE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO BUILD IT, HOUSE AN ACCESSORY.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE TWO UNITS AND WE GET INTO A, UM, ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, YOU KNOW, MIGHT SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO READ BOTH OF THESE OUT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THE CODES AND HAVE ALL THESE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.
THAT WAS, I WAS LEADING TO THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW IT AFFECT DENSITY.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF THE ISSUE IS AT 1.5 ACRE THAT, I MEAN, I FORGET WHAT THAT LIMIT IS.
IF YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO ACCESSORY SLASH GUEST HOUSES ON A FIVE ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, I'M SORT OF MAKING THAT UP.
WELL, BASICALLY THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS DON'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR DENSITY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON A THREE ACRE LOT IN RURAL, YOU CAN BUILD ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY STILL CAN DO THAT UNDER THIS KIND OF BLENDING ACCESSORY AND GUEST HOUSE.
IF YOU HAD A QUESTION YOU'RE ON MUTE.
WELL, I'M USING TWO SCREENS, EXCUSE ME.
UH, I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AS IT DEALS WITH OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES.
I PERSONALLY FEEL IT'S A REASON FOR BOTH.
UH, I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO DOUBLE RENTALS, UM, SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM RENTALS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UH, ISSUES SETTLED REAL EASY BY MANDATING, UH, ONE WATER, ONE ELECTRIC METER, INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THIS CORD, THE END, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, SOUTH OF MAY RIVER ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, IS, UM, YOU CAN HAVE FIVE ACRES THERE, BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE UNIT.
IF I HAVE A HANDICAP CHILD, HE CAN'T COOK.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LET HIM COOK IN THAT GUEST HOUSE.
AND IF I HAVE A HOUSEKEEPER AND HE TAKES CARE OF HIM OR A CARETAKER, I CAN'T RENT THAT, UH, THAT FACILITY ABOVE THE, ABOVE, ABOVE THE GARAGE.
AND I SAY, IT'S NOT IN EVERY PER EVERY DISTRICT, BUT IT IS APPROPRIATE WHERE THOSE, THAT WARRANTS IT, THAT'S MY OPINION.
WELL, REALLY NOTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS CHANGING WHAT THE CURRENT LAW IS.
I BELIEVE THE RESULT WILL BE A CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE THE GUESTS HELP WITH OF THE TWO ACCESSORY USES AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THIS, THE MORE INTENSE OF THE TWO, BECAUSE IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY RENTED OUT TO A THIRD PARTY WHERE A GUEST HOUSE IT'S PURPOSE IS SIMPLY FOR VISITING FAMILY VISITING OR SOMEBODY STAYING THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO WE'VE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO LIMIT DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY CHEAP.
SOME OF THE BOOKS TODAY, THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTS IS SOMEBODY BUILDING TWO STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, IT WOULD NOT ALLOW SOMEBODY TO BUILD A DESKTOP AND AN ACCESSORY AS WELL.
AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT HAVING TWO DWELLINGS ON THE SITE, WHETHER WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM IS NOT LEGAL IN THE COUNTY, AND YOU'RE JUST MAKING THE, THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT.
SO THAT YOU CAN STILL ONLY BUILD ONE UNIT OTHER THAN THE PRIMARY.
AND I THINK MY OPINION IS THAT THAT'S THE LAW AND THAT'S THEIR LOVE DWELLINGS TOO.
WHEN YOU SAY TWO STRUCTURES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING.
IS IT AGAINST THE, AGAINST THE CODE AGAINST THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE TWO UNITS COURSE WITH DIFFERENT PURPOSES ON YOUR PROPERTY, OTHER THAN THE PRIMARY BUILDING? NOT INCLUDING THE ROOT
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COMPOUND.I MEAN, JUST ON THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF SOMEBODY HAS A DETACHED GARAGE AND, AND AN ACCESSORY APARTMENT, UM, OR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THAT WOULD BE TWO.
SO IF YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, YOU CAN HAVE A ACCESSORY, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY.
WELL, WE JUST GOT TWO ANSWERS.
NOW WE GOT ONE FROM ERIC AND WE GOT ONE FROM YOU.
OH, WELL, THAT'S NOT HOW I UNDERSTOOD RANDALL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT RANDALL'S QUESTION.
YOU ANSWERED HIS QUESTION, ROBERT, THIS WAS MY QUESTION.
IF I HEARD YOU, RIGHT, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE YOUR ANSWER TO RANDOLPH WAS ONE STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, THAT MEANS YOU, YOU ARE NOW YOU CAN HAVE AN ACCESSORY OR A GUEST HOUSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE.
WHEN I ANSWER GRANDAD'S QUESTION, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT WE'RE NOT PERMITTING ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE HABITABLE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A GARAGE, YOU COULD HAVE A SHEDS, WE HAVE OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT LIMITS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THESE OTHER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
BUT THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE ABILITY TO BUILD A DETACHED GARAGE OR A SHED, OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER TYPES OF STRUCTURES THAT PEOPLE TYPICALLY, IT'S JUST THE HABITABLE STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S A GUEST HOUSE OR ADU, WE'RE SAYING YOU GET ONE IN ADDITION TO YOUR HOUSE, IF THAT GARAGE HAS A FULL APARTMENT IN THE UPSTAIRS AREA, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
WASN'T UM, THE LINE I JUST WAS FOLLOWING UP ON RANDALL ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ADDRESSED IN OTHER PARTS OF THIS CODE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING HERE TONIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT THE SAME REGULATION IF YOU WERE IN A SEWER DISTRICT VERSUS ASEPTIC, UM, WHERE THERE'S A TOWN WATER VERSUS, UM, UH, WELL, I MEAN, DOES THAT FACTOR INTO ANYTHING? IT WOULD FACTOR IN EITHER AN AND IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SITUATION AS TO WHAT THEY'RE IN.
SO IF THEY ARE GOING TO CONNECT, HAVE ANOTHER CONNECTION TO A SEWER LINE, THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED.
IF THEY'VE GOT PUBLIC SEWER OR PALLET WATER, THEN THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO WHATEVER THAT JURISDICTION WOULD REQUIRE AS FAR AS IMPACT FEES AND TAPPING THOSE LINES.
IF THEY ARE GOING TO ADD DOYLE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE A D HECK PERMIT FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DWELLING, UH, TO BE, TO BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT MAY BE REQUIRED THAT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BRAIN FIELD TO BE ADDED TO THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM, OR IT MAY REQUIRE AN ENTIRE SEPARATE SYSTEM, BUT YES, THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS WOULD COME INTO PLAY FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
ALSO, OF COURSE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE, THEY HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THEIR STORM WATER REGULATIONS AND MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THEIR APPROPRIATE SERVERS, COVERAGE, AND COMPLY WITH THE BEAVER COUNTY STORMWATER ORDINANCES ON ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD BUILD ANY OTHER.
AND HOW DO YOU CALL A MOTOR HOME IN THIS CASE? IS THAT AN ANCILLARY STRUCTURE, A MOTOR HOME, OR A GUEST HOUSE AND COLTON THEM HOUSING.
THAT'S AN RV AND IT'S LIMIT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH AN RV AS A SEPARATE SITUATION.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE A GUEST HOUSE OR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS FOR COMPLYING WITH SETTING UP AND PARKING AN RV ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE DON'T ALLOW THAT AS A PERMANENT ARRANGEMENT LEGALLY.
YES, THEY DO IT, BUT WE DON'T ALLOW IT.
WHAT ABOUT THE MOBILE HOMES, MOBILE HOMES? I MEAN, ANYONE THAT HAS A, HAS A PROPERTY THAT HAS A PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT ON IT, AND THEY CAN MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE CODE FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF DWELLING.
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OKAY.UM, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS YOU'VE SENT US, UH, PERTAINING TO ARTICLE THREE TABLE FOUR, SECTION FOUR, UM, SECTION 10.1 0.70, A COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE REFERENCE TO GUESTHOUSE.
SO I ASSUME THAT THE GUEST HOUSE, I HAVEN'T PROVISIONS EXCLUSIVE TO GUEST HOUSE ARE INCLUDED ELSEWHERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED TO RENT OR LEASE OR LEASING OF A GUEST HOUSE.
IT'S THAT WHERE ELSE, OR THEY'RE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT INTO THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THOSE DISTINCTIONS SPECIFIC TO GREEN TO GUEST HOUSE ARE DOCUMENTED.
WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS AMENDMENT IS WE'RE NO LONGER THERE'S ONE CATEGORY FOR WHETHER IT'S A GUEST HOUSE OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
AND THAT CATEGORY IS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
SO WE'RE NO LONGER MAKING THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN A ACCESSORY DWELLING IS JUST FOR GUESTS OR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING THAT IS FORWARD.
SO IN THAT CASE, THEN ANY SECONDARY DWELLING IS PERMITTED TO RENT OR LEASE EVEN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CASES WHERE IN SOME COMMUNITIES, SOMEBODY MAY BUILD AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, BUT THEY MIGHT BE LIMITED KNOW COMMUNITY OF WHETHER THAT COULD BE RENTED.
UM, BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, NO, THERE'S NO DISTINCTION.
THEY COULD RENT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LONG TERM, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT SHORT TERM, MEANING LESS THAN 29 DAYS, THEN THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEWLY ADOPTED SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROCESS THAT COMPLIES WITH THAT AMENDMENT THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED BY COUNTY COUNCIL AND HOW THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GET THAT APPROVED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WHEN SOMEONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION BEFORE THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE, WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION FOR THE INFO FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT? YES.
I'D LIKE TO PICK A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE TEXT AS WRITTEN.
SO WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR MIKES, ERIC, LET ME START OFF WITH RANDOLPH.
THERE'S NO BACKGROUND NOBODY SOMEWHERE.
AND MYSELF, YES, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX YESES, AND ONE, NO, THE MOTION PASSES.
THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT CODE CLARIFY WHEN THE SUBDIVISION PLAN OR LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS RIGHT FOR A PEAK ROB OR ERIC.
WELL, THIS IS ANOTHER STAFF INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT THIS CHANGE DOES IS, UM, IT LIMITS IT, I GUESS IT CLARIFIES WHEN A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR SUBDIVISION CAN BE APPEALED THE WAY THE CODE CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TWO STAGE PROCESS.
THAT PLAN GOES THROUGH HAVING A CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN A FINAL PLAN WHEN, WHEN, UM, FOR A DEVELOPMENT
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OR SUBDIVISION AND THE WHOLE EITHER CONCEPTS OR FINAL PLAN TO BE APPEALED.SO DID LIKE, YOU KNOW, DECISION CATH MADE ON A CERTAIN PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BEGIN THE APPEAL PROCESS AT THE CONCEPT STAGE OF, OF, OF THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPER, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
AND IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THERE THERE'S CONCEPT IN LEGALEES KNOWN AS RIPENESS, THAT THEY, IT'S NOT REALLY RIGHT TO BE APPEALED UNTIL IT GETS FINAL APPROVAL, FINAL PLAN APPROVAL AND RECEIVES THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
BUT AT THAT POINT, THE DECISION OF STAFF HAS BEEN MADE.
AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS RIGHT TO APPEAL.
UM, THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT IT, TYPICAL, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR A SUBDIVISION THAT IT'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AT THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE, MANY TIMES THE PROJECT IS NOT QUITE REACHED THE POINT WHERE IT IS IN IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FINAL.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A PROJECT COMING THROUGH A CONCEPT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS ATTACHED TO IT THAT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO MEET.
AND ONCE THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET, THE PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ONCE IT GETS DEFINED.
AND SO FOR SOMEBODY TO APPEAL THE PROCESS EARLY ON IN THE CONCEPT PHASE, WE BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY APPEALING WHAT WE SEE VITAL DECISION OF STAFF.
AND I THINK IT JUST LEADS TO NOT ONLY THAT LEADS TO CONFUSION, BUT IT ALSO LEADS TO UNNECESSARY DELAYS IN THE PROCESS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CHORE WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS.
IF THEY NEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODES, ALL THE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS AND STEPS IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD, AND THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ISSUE.
IF SOMEBODY APPEALS IT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE'RE SORT OF PUTTING THIS, YOU KNOW, INDEFINITE DELAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THE APPEAL PROCESS SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE ENDS AND NOT DURING THE CONTRACT, BUT WE STILL HAVE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR SUBDIVISION.
WHAT DOES IS THIS CHANGE, LIMITS IT TO TEAM DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS ISSUED, THEN IT COULD BE APPEALING.
AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.
SOME OF THESE GET A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF GOING THROUGH AND REVISITING THE CODE AND MAKING SURE IT WORKS FOR US, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING CODE.
YES, JASON, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK EVERYONE IF THEY COULD PLEASE MUTE THEMSELVES WHEN THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING, BECAUSE THE CROSS CROSSTALKS MAKING IT HARD FOR ME ACTUALLY TO HEAR ROB, ALL RIGHT THERE, EITHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
I HAVE A ONE COMMENT OR QUESTION ASK, UM, THIS WOULD MAKE APPEALS APPROPRIATE ONLY AFTER BOTH THE CONCEPT AND THE FINAL PLAN AND THE PERMIT WERE ISSUED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
IN YOUR LANGUAGE, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UM, AN APPEAL THAT WAS INCLUSIVE OF THE CONCEPT PLAN AND THE FINAL PLAN, BUT YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE THE PERMIT IS A PERMIT.
IS THAT AT SOME POINT AFTER THE FINAL PLANS APPROVED OR IS THAT AT THE SAME TIME? WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, YEAH, WE HAVE A STAFF REVIEW TEAM.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO GET STAFF TOGETHER AT THE SAME ROOM TO COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THE CODE, WITH THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED, WHETHER SOME REVISIONS, YOUR PLAN NEEDS TO BE MADE TO, TO MEET CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ACTION,
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THE ACTION FOR DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.ONCE THEY HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED TO THEM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THEY COULD TAKE THAT AND THEN GO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IT'S UNTIL THEY GET A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THERE THEY'RE HOLDING IN OUR HAND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, YOU KNOW, GOTTEN TO THIS STAGE OF PROCESS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY, I GUESS THAT THAT'S THE REASON WE WANT IT TO BE AT THAT PHASE WHERE PROJECTS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, MY BOY HERE IS DO YOU NEED THEN TO REWORK, UH, THE APPEALS PROCESS AS DESCRIBED IN 7.3 0.70, TO, UM, CLARIFY THAT BOTH THE CONCEPT FINAL PLAN AND PERMIT ARE ISSUED BEFORE AN APPEAL CAN BE RENDERED OR SUBMITTED? NO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LEAVE IT AS FINAL PLAN APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A GAP BETWEEN THE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL AND THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, ZONING DEVELOPMENT PERMIT BEING ISSUED.
UH, ONCE THAT APPEALS FILED, THEN THE D THE INDIVIDUAL OUTCOME WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISIONS OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED ON WITH CONSTRUCTION AT THAT POINT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED IN MY OPINION, BUT WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH RECOMMENDING IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T NEED TO EXTEND IT OUT TO BOTH THE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL AND THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ISSUANCE, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A GAP IN BETWEEN FINAL PLAN APPROVAL AND THE ZONING DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO WE WOULD WANT THAT APPEAL, UH, TOM FRAME TO START CLICKING AT THE TIME.
THE FINAL PERMIT IS, I MEAN, THE FINAL PLAN APPROVAL IS ISSUE.
UM, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT FOR A SHOWING OR FIRST SUBMITTING AN APPEAL AFTER FINAL PLAN APPROVAL? 30 DAYS.
AND THAT'S CLEAR IN THE DOCUMENTATION, CAN YOU PROVIDE IT IS CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL DOCUMENTATION WE PROVIDED YOU WITH.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A CLEAR TIME LIMIT IN THERE ON APPEAL THAT IT SERVES 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE DECISION.
AND THE DECISION IS NOT THE SRT DECISION, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL BODY OF THE COUNTY.
THAT IS A RESOURCE THAT ROB MYSELF AND KILLARY AUSTIN USES TO RENDER THE FINAL DECISIONS, BUT ONLY, ONLY WRITTEN DECISIONS WITH OUR SIGNATURES ON IT.
OUR FINAL DECISIONS THAT ARE APPEALABLE.
UM, SO I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE RECENTLY AND I'VE SEEN THEM IN MY PAST LIFE WHERE, UM, A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, UM, AND MANY TIMES THOSE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS ARE KIND OF VERY OPEN-ENDED, THEY'RE NOT VAGUE, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY SPECIFIC, BUT THEY'RE NOT TIME-SENSITIVE IF YOU WILL.
IS THAT ADDRESSED HERE AT ALL? UM, I MEAN, I, I AGREE IN PRINCIPLE WITH THIS HERE, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A TIME LIMIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S AN APPROVAL AND APPROVAL, I GUESS, AND THERE'S CASES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL LITERALLY NOODLING AROUND WITH THAT.
UM, W WE HAD APPEALS ON, ON CASES WHERE THERE'S REALLY, IT'S CALLED A FINAL DECISION, BUT IT'S NOT A FINAL DECISION.
AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT COMMISSIONER.
I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THERE'S TWO TYPES OF CONDITIONAL APPROVALS.
THE FIRST IS JUST A SEMANTICS ISSUE, UH, THAT WE CALL IT.
WE DON'T CALL IT THAT ANYMORE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS IF AN ENGINEER OR AN APPLICANT IS PAYING AN ENGINEER TO COME TO BUFORD COUNTY, TO MEET WITH US, AND THEY HAVE TWO OR THREE ITEMS LEFT, AND THEY'RE MINOR ITEMS, I MAY SAY YOU'RE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, WHICH ACTUALLY YOU'RE APPROVED WITHOUT STANDING IN COMMENTS.
ONCE YOU ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS, THEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL APPROVAL FROM MS. AUSTIN, ROB, OR MYSELF, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T, WE NO LONGER USE THAT.
THE LANGUAGE WE SAY, UM, YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BODY.
ONCE YOU ADDRESS THE THREE MINOR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS, THEN WE WILL ISSUE THE FINAL APPROVAL LETTER.
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SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME IN THE PAST WE HAVE CALLED THOSE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.THEY REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROVED BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS REQUIRED BY THE CDC.
THE SECOND ITEM IS AN A, ISN'T A TRUE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, AND I'M GOING TO USE, UM, THE SITUATION OF THE CALLOW CALLA LAWSUIT COUNT BROWN, UH, FOR INSTANCE, AN APPROVAL AND AFTER CASE, WHAT CONDITIONS WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED GENERALLY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS GENERATING.
BUT BECAUSE THOSE, SOME UNUSUAL SITUATIONS WITH THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE FINAL APPROVAL, BUT THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE THEY GET, UM, ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BEFORE THEY GET THEIR FINAL CEO.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE, THAT WOULD BE AN APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE SITE THAT REQUIRES US TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT OR, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO MAKE THAT PROJECT TO BE TOTALLY SAFE AND TOTALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE CODE.
IF YOU'RE ADDING A REQUIREMENT, IT'S BEING, IF YOU ARE JUST PENDING AN EXISTING REQUIREMENT, IT'S TREATED AS A, SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION IS WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT? IS THERE, IS THERE AN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU, UM, YOU GIVE THEM WELL IN THE, IN THE END BE THERE, THEIR APPROVAL IS GOOD FOR A YEAR.
IF THEY DON'T ACT ON THE PERMIT WITHIN A YEAR, THEN IT ELAPSES.
OTHER QUESTIONS, JASON, UM, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, UM, HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN, WHERE YOU HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHERE THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF, UM, GET TO AN IMPASSE.
SO TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO TAKE IT TO, YOU KNOW, TO A THIRD PARTY FABRIC, JASON, CAN YOU SAY THAT FOR ME ONE MORE TIME, I WAS RESPONDING TO A PERSON THAT ASKS WAS ASKING ME ABOUT IT.
UM, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, HOW OFTEN DOES IT HAPPEN, UH, IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN STAGE THAT AN APPLICANT AND THE STAFF, UH, WOULD RESEARCH IMPASSE AND REQUEST A THIRD PARTY? UM, WE'VE HAD IT HAPPEN TWICE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2018 AND BOTH OF THEM, BOTH OF THOSE WERE ON THEIR WAY TO, UM, YOU ALL TO HEAR YOU ALL HEARD, YOU ALL HEARD ONE DIED IN 2018.
IF YOU RECALL THAT, THAT INVOLVED THE CHECK ANOTHER BOX ON THE PERMANENT ABOUT COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.
BUT I'M, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS, UM, WHY REMOVE THAT? IF IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PERTINENT AT THIS TIME, WHY NOT ALLOW SOMEBODY, IF THEY DO HAVE A PROBLEM AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL TO, UH, ALLOW AN APPEAL, UH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM NOT TO BE ABLE TO APPEAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO STAFF PERSPECTIVE ON THAT IS TWO FOLD.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL.
IT'S JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE MATT AND WE AGREE CONCEPTUALLY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND AS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
SO THE CDC FOR THE PROJECT TO GO FORWARD TO THE NEXT STAGE POSTERS, DICTIONS A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS DO NOT EVEN REQUIRE CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, UH, AS A REQUIRED STEP IN THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEALING WITH, UM, VERY, UM, UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OR A DEVELOPER MAY DISCUSS SOMETHING AND SAY, HOW CAN I MAKE THIS WORK? OR CAN WE GET THIS TYPE OF RELIEF FOR BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW PROCESS HERE AT BEAVER COUNTY,
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WE MADE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, A MANDATORY STEP IN THE PROCESS TO GET AN, A PERMIT.I, AND, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, IT'S ALWAYS REQUIRED.
AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO APPEAL THAT DECISION BASICALLY STOPS THE PROCESS IN ITS TRACKS BECAUSE NO FURTHER ACTION CAN BE TAKEN BY THE STAFF UNTIL THE OUTCOME OF THAT APPEALS.
SO FOLKS SHOULD HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND DOING THEIR DESIGN DRAWINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEY CAN'T GO TO THE NEXT STEP BECAUSE OF THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPEAL THAT APPEAL ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, I SHOULD SAY.
SO IT'LL MAKE THE PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT AND ALL FOR THE APPLICANT, A MORE DEFINED PATH FOR GETTING THEIR FINAL APPROVAL.
I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOUR RESPONSES THAT THE APPLICANT, MORE THAN LIKELY IT DOESN'T WANT THEM TO DELAY THE PROCESS UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FORMALIZED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WOULD EITHER WANT TO INFORMALIZE THAT AND, AND JUST HAVE IT TO BE A STAFF REVIEW SESSION BEFORE LES SUBMIT OR, UM, HE WOULD LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MECHANISM IN PLACE, IF YOU DO RECENT IMPASSE FOR LINCOLN TO HAVE IT MEDIATE, MEDIATED THROUGH A SOURCE, SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH IT EITHER WAY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, UM, YOU SHOULD PICK ONE OR THE OTHER IN THE TWO SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IDEALLY YOU WOULD HOPE THAT IT WAS, IT WOULD BE DONE AS A MECHANISM TO RESOLVING THE PROBLEMS AND SOLVING THE ISSUES.
BUT IN REALITY, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE TWO CASES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED HERE IN THIS COUNTY WITH THE APPEALS, IS THIS DONE TO HOLD A PROPERTY OWNER HOSTAGE AND THE PROP AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE APPEAL HAVE USED THAT AS A MEANS OF EXACTING AROUND SOME, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED ON WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT.
SO IF IT, IF IT WERE LIKE YOU SAID, JASON, THAT IT WOULD BE DESIGNED TO RESOLVE OUTSTANDING DEVELOPMENT ISSUES SO THAT EACH PARTY COULD MOVE AHEAD AND CON TO SEE IF, UH, SOME COMPROMISE CAN BE WORKED OUT, THEN I WOULD NOT BE TAKING THE POSITION THAT I'M TAKING, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT HAS WORKED, UH, IN REALITY HERE IN THE COUNTY TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTY, THAT THEY HAVE ZONING AND A LEGAL RIGHT TO DEVELOP.
ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS, UM, TO KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND JASON'S POINT OF VIEW, WHICH I AGREE WITH A LOT, BUT THERE IS A TIME WE'RE NOT HOLDING UP DEVELOPERS ON THE HOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS.
I MEAN, ISN'T, WASN'T YOUR ANSWER TO KEVIN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE DIMENSION OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 DAYS, OR WAS THAT JUST THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT? NOT THE APPROVAL, BUT RIGHT NOW, BOTH, BOTH THE APPEALS TO CONCEPTUAL AND THE FINAL WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A WRITTEN DECISION.
SO THAT MIGHT A MONTH OF, OR A SPECIAL MEETING, IF IT'S APPEALED TO THE JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION SAMPLE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT, IT WOULD, UH, THESE PARTICULAR APPEALS CONCEPTUAL PLAN WOULD ALWAYS COME TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE.
SO IT COULD BE TWO MONTHS IN FACT, I MEAN, YEAH.
WHEN THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING, MY, AND MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU'RE REMOVING THAT LAYER OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM APPEAL, WHAT DOES IT DO TO PUBLIC INPUT AND PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT A PROJECT THAT MAY NOT BE IN PEOPLE WHO FEEL IN OPPOSITION TO A PROJECT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR REASONS OF, YOU KNOW, NUISANCE OR TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT, THAT WE ARE SEEDING SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPER AND, AND, UM, RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY STATION, PROPERTY OWNERS, TO WEIGH IN AS THEY'RE AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL AGAIN, UM, PROPERTY AND MY OPINION AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, DO NOT HAVE AN OPTION AVOID ANY AND THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL UNLESS THEY CAN DOCUMENT THE, SOME SORT OF MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE BY THE STAFF.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT ISSUE IF A PERSON'S
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PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE ZONING, AND THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING PLANS THAT COMPLY WITH THE CODE AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEN THE COMMUNITY IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, DEFENSE ARE PERMITTED USE.AND THE COUNCIL HAS SPECIFIED TO, IS FOR PERMITTED USE.
THEN THE ABILITY OF A COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT SHOULD BE LIMITED.
BUT IF THAT WERE GENERALLY THE CASE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IS SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS ARE MORE NUANCED THAN, THAN THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK IT COULD BE A LOT MORE NUANCED IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY.
NOW, BAY POINT IS AN ANOMALY AND IT DIDN'T COME BEFORE US, BUT, BUT THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE WHERE IT WAS AN EXTREMELY, UM, SOME PEOPLE GREED AND PEOPLE DISAGREE TO THE FIVE CONDITIONS, YOUR CONDITIONS THAT WERE REJECTED, ET CETERA, FOR A NUANCED SITUATION THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE ELIMINATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NUANCE.
IF I ACCEPT YOUR POINT OF VIEW, ALTHOUGH I RATIONALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON LOT OF THEM ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL ACTUALLY IS THERE'S THERE'S, UM, THERE'S THREE THINGS FOR A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL ON THAT.
I APOLOGIZE IF IS GOING TO BE REPETITIVE FOR YOU ALL, BUT YOU HAVE PERMITTED USES.
AND ONCE SOMEONE DOES A PLAN THAT COMPLIES WITH THE CDC AND MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEN THEY'RE ISSUED A ZONING PERMIT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
THEN YOU HAVE NEW STUDENTS WITH CONDITIONS.
AND THOSE AGAIN, DO NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF PUBLIC INPUT.
IT'S JUST A SPECIAL, UM, USES THAT, SAY THESE THINGS ARE OKAY.
AND THESE ZONING DISTRICTS, IF THEY MEET THIS ADDITIONAL LAYER OF CONDITIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL USE APPROVAL, A SPECIAL USUAL APPROVAL WOULD BE LIKE ECOTOURISM THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THIS EVENING IS THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY ALLEGING.
AND TECHNICALLY THAT THE STAFF MADE AN ERROR IN THEIR REVIEW OF THE PLAN AND THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE BY AND LARGE ME AS THE DIRECTOR DOING THAT.
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEGITIMATE BASIS FOR THERE TO BE A CLAIM OF AN ERROR IN THAT.
AND IT CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
A LOT OF FOLKS COULD BE FILING APPEALS FOR THINGS THAT GET ADDRESSED AT THE FINAL APPROVAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT AND NOT AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL.
AND THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, CONCEPTUAL FRAMEWORK ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ADDRESSED THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ONLY ALLOW AT FINAL FINAL APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON IT.
IF THEY FEEL THE STAFF HAS MADE AN ERROR IN OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CODE, BUT IT WILL AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FINAL APPROVALS AND ALL THE FINAL REVIEWS HAVE TAKEN PLACE FOR FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CDC.
SO THIS IS SORT OF A PERSONAL QUESTION ABOUT, UM, STAFF REVIEW MEETINGS.
IF, IF, UM, I, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, VOTED AGAINST YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WOULDN'T THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UM, CONCEPTUAL, UM, REVIEW AND THE ABILITY TO APPEAL, GIVE YOU ALSO WIGGLE ROOM.
I MEAN, DOESN'T THAT GIVE YOU THAT IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF, SOME OPPORTUNITY TO SET CONDITIONS, UM, ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME.
WE, WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY ANYWAY AT, UM, AT
SO, SO HAVING AN, AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE STAFF.
IT IS BROUGHT BY AN EXTERNAL PARTY AGAINST THE STAFF, OR I GUESS THE DIRECTOR AND THE EXTERNAL PARTY WOULD BE PERHAPS THE CPOA IF IT WAS A SPECIAL USE OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT THEY WOULD BE ANYONE THAT'S OUT THERE AND THAT COULD BE AFFECTED OR FEEL THAT THEY'RE AFFECTED BY THE SURGEON.
SO IT COULD BE AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, SOME OTHER ENTITY IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD HAVE STANDING TO, YOU KNOW, LEVEL AN APPEAL OR NOT.
AND YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? THE MICROPHONE GO? YEAH, YOU GOT ME.UM, I DEAL WITH A LOT OF BUSINESSMAN, A LOT OF DEVELOPERS AND DESIGNER, AND IT WOULD INHIBIT THEM, UM, OKAY.
THE PRACTICALITY OF GOING FROM A PRELIMINARY OR A CONCEPTUAL TO A FILE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU SPENT, THIS MAY BE THE CONCEPTUAL IS LIKE 20% OF THE MONEY THAT WE SPENT AS FAR AS HIM HIRING THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS IN THAT HEAD.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S GIVEN, THEN IT GOES TO THE FINAL.
LET'S SAY, NOW THE ENGINEERS ARE INVOLVED IN WETLANDS AND A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS HE DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL SOMETHING THAT'S NOT COMFORTABLE WITH A PRELIMINARY, HE'S GOT TO GO SPEND THIS MONEY AND GO ALL THE WAY TO FINAL BEFORE HE CAN APPEAL.
I CAN'T, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPER FOLLOWING AN APPEAL.
A DEVELOPER CAN FILE AN APPEAL.
ANYTIME HE WANTS TO, DURING THE PROCESS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTIES, DEVELOPER'S NOT GOING TO APPEAL HIS OWN CONCEPTUAL FINAL APPROVAL.
SO APPROVAL IS, BUT THEN HE COULD APPEAL THE CONDITIONS THAT PARTY TO DO THAT.
I ADD THOSE CONCLUSIONS TO HIS APPROVAL.
HE WON'T BE APPEALING THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL AND THOSE TRIGGER CASES, HE WOULD BE APPEALING THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL, BUT UNDER, UNDER THIS ROOF RULE, NEW SAYING HE CAN STILL DO THAT.
HE CAN STILL APPEAL CONCEPTION.
BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T, IF HE WAS APPEALING CONDITIONS OF AN APPROVAL THAT WOULD NOT COME TO YOU ALL THAT WOULD GO TO THE Z BOA BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE, THOSE WILL BE DEVELOPED ON STANDARDS OR THINGS THAT WE'RE IMPOSING UPON HIM THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF YOUR, YOUR AUTHORITY, UH, TO HEAR BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE, UM, ZONING RELATED MATTERS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO THEY CAN STILL DO THAT AT ANY TIME, I GUESS.
UM, JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT HERE, I WAS INVOLVED WITH
SO WE WENT STRAIGHT TO APPEAL AND THE, AND THE COLORED BOARD PROVED CAUGHT HIM PROMINENTLY.
SO WITHOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE NO ACCOUNTABLE PROBLEM WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY THAT A DEVELOPER HAS THE ABILITY TO APPEAL A DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL TO YOU ALL OR FINAL APPROVAL.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE THE, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THEIR, UM, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, TO STILL DO THEIR APPEAL OUT NATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROMENADE SITUATION WAS.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT WENT DIRECTLY TO COURT, WHO DO THEY APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WAS THAT IN THIS, WAS THAT IN BUFORD COUNTY OR TOWN.
AND AGAIN, THE APPEAL OF A DENIAL OR AN INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE OR STANDARD OF THE CODE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO APPEAL A CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, OTHER THAN ASKING YOU ALL TO DEFER THAT, TO FOLLOW UP AND REMOVE IT.
I RECOMMEND REMOVING THAT PROVISION.
THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD APPEAL WOULD BE THE DEVELOPER CONCEPTUAL DENIAL.
HOW'S IT DONE IF WE DID NOT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL THAT WOULD STOP THE DEVELOPMENT? WELL, IT MAY BE CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT EVEN YOU CAN APPEAL IT TO DIE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT ANYWAY.
HE COULD, HE COULD, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPEAL THAT DECISION.
UM, ERIC, I THINK IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO READ THE CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS AT THIS POINT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN BY MR. TAYLOR.
THE PINING COMMISSIONERS WERE EMAILED THIS LATE TODAY,
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SO YOU HAVE IT AND WE'RE ENTERING THOSE INTO THE RECORD.I'M GOING TO READ FOR THREE MINUTES BY MY CALCULATION IS SEVEN OH SEVEN.
THIS IS A READ OR LINCOLN PROPOSAL.
SO IF I'M NOT DUMPED BY SEVEN 10 AND KEEPING WITH OUR THREE MINUTE RULE, THEN I'LL STOP READING AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
DOES THAT YOUR CHAIR? I HAVE NOTED THAT THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
LET ME, UH, LET ME FIND MY, UM, SURE.
UM, I HAVE NOTED THAT THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING AS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING INCLUDES AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT PROPOSAL BY COUNTY SHOUT TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, PARENTHESES CCDC TO DELETE THE RIGHT OF AN APPLICANT MEMBERS IN PUBLIC TO APPEAL STAFF ACTION ON CONCEPT APPROVAL, MAJOR LAND DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND MAJOR AND COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION PLATS, WHICH IS ACTION.
AS AN INITIAL MATTER ASSET, ALL MEMBERS PACKAGES WOULD BE GIVEN A COPY OF THIS LETTER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO THEY ALSO FISH A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THIS EVENING AS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHAT CAUSES EVEN AS PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEETING AS VIRTUAL, MY ABILITY AND ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC AS A WHOLE TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SENIOR STATE, AND TO BE ABLE TO MEANINGFULLY PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HOLD THIS EVENING IS SEVERELY RESTRICTED AND IS ESSENTIALLY NON-EXISTENT ON THAT POINT.
I REFER TO YOU IN MY LETTER TO YOU OF 28, APRIL, 2020, AND AGAIN, RGM PLANNING, COMMISSIONER REFRAIN FROM HOLDING ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL YOU CAN DO SO IN PERSON AS THE COUNTY ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS DID ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2020, IF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS ABLE TO, AGAIN, HOLD IN-PERSON PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO.
ALSO ALL WRITE YOU TODAY IN ORDER TO TRY TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT RESULT FROM IMPLEMENTING THE CDC AMENDMENTS ON APPEALS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
FIRST, IT WILL RESULT IN AN APPLE GOT FOR A LAND DEVELOPER, A PLANNER SUBDIVISION PLAT WHO IS WRONGLY OR INCORRECTLY DENIED CONCEPT APPROVAL OF THEIR PLANNERS FROM SEEKING REVIEW BY A PLANNING COMMISSION OF WHAT MIGHT BE AN INCORRECT OR IMPROPER DENIAL BY STAFF.
THIS CAN SERIOUSLY HAMPER AN APPLICANT'S PLANS.
IF THE APPLICANT IS LEFT WITH NO RECOURSE TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THE STAFF, WHICH HE OR SHE THINKS IS INCORRECT OR OTHERWISE WRONG.
SECONDLY, ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED A AMENDMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF OR THE NINE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO DISAGREE WITH A DECISION BY THE STAFF ON A CONCEPT PLAN FOR A LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF SUBDIVISION PLAT OR THE RIGHT TO SEEK REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THAT DECISION.
SO IT JUST SITUATION COVERS ALT AND ALLOWING THE APPLICANT INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY THAT THEY SHOULD SPEND THE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS NECESSARY TO PREPARE A FINAL PLANS AND DOCUMENTS FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE THE SUBDIVISION PLAT ONLY TO POSSIBLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AN APPEAL BY ANOTHER PARTY AND INTEREST ONLY AFTER INCURRING THOSE COSTS IT COSTLY EXPENDITURES.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES TO THE, TO BE ADDRESSED IN SUCH AN APPLICATION, THEN THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND NOT HELD IN A BAILOUTS UNTIL AFTER FINAL APPROVAL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR SUBDIVISION PLAT ALSO BELIEVE THAT ADOPTION THAT THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY THE STAFF OF BALI STOUT STATE LAW, WHICH IS CLEAR ON THE SUBJECT SPECIFICALLY SOUTH CAROLINA CODE SECTION SIX DASH 29, 1150 CS SAYS STAFF ACTION, IF AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE A LAND DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAY BE APPEALED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY ANY PARTY AND INTEREST THAT SECTION OF STATE LAW DOES NOT MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CONCEPT REVIEW AND FINAL REVIEW.
IN THE PROCESS, THE STAFF IS MAKING A DECISION TO APPROVE OR DISPROVE A PLAN OR PLAT.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE POWER AND DUTY TO OVERSEE SUCH DECISIONS BY THE STAFF ON A PROCEDURAL ISSUE.
I OBJECT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKEN OUT FROM OUT PROPOSED BY STAFF AT THIS EVENING'S MEETING DUE TO FAILURE OR STAFF TO COMPLY WITH PUBLISH NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AMENDMENT OF THE CDCS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SPECIFICALLY, THE STAFF PUBLISHED NOTICES A SEASON TO PUBLIC HEARING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CDC PROVISIONS ON APPEALS, UH, IN THE 20TH, SEPTEMBER, 2020 ADDITIONS OF THE ALUM PACKET IN THE BUFORD ZACK, AS I COUNT THE DAYS THAT PUBLICATION WAS 15 DAYS, UH, BEFORE THE SEASON WAS PUBLIC HEARING BY PLANNING COMMISSION, HOWEVER, MILD CDC TABLE 7.4 50.
B'S SAYS THAT THE PUBLISHED NOTICE OF A POLY HEARING ON A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CDC MUST BE MADE BETWEEN 15 AND 30 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING SOUTH CAROLINA CODE SECTION SIX DASH 29, 1130 B SAYS THAT THE COUNTY MAY AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING
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ON IT GIVEN AT LEAST 30 DAYS NOTICE OF TIME AND PLACE BY PUBLICATION AND A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION IN THE COUNTY.CLEARLY THE PUBLISHED NOTICE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW OR THE CDC PROVISIONS ON THE SAME ISSUE.
I SUGGEST TO YOU THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE CDC LAND ABOUT REGULATIONS, SUCH AS THE CDC, A MEMO ON APPEALS PROPOSED BY STAFF, DR.
DOCTOR TO THE EFFECT OF NOTICE IS VOID OR VOIDABLE OR THEREFORE CAUTION YOU AND THE STAFF GETS PROCEEDING WITH THE CDC AMENDMENTS ON APPEALS PROPOSED BY THE STAFF WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE STATE REQUIRED PUBLISH NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WITH BEST REGARDS, I AM A THOMAS C. TAYLOR THAT WENT OVER A LITTLE.
I WENT ABOUT THREE MINUTES OVER THREE MINUTES, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THAT IS THE FULL DOCUMENT.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST LEAVING OURSELVES OPEN FOR TROUBLE.
UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN FOR ACCORDING TO THE CLARIFICATION, THE VERY FIRST THING THAT YOU SAID WHEN HE STARTED READING HIS LETTER WAS APPLICANT AND PUBLIC.
AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS DONE TO STAND THAT THE APPEAL PROCESS IS FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC, WHOEVER FEELS IT MAY HAVE BEEN ARMED THERE.
BUT THEN EARLIER IN YOUR CONVERSATION, WHEN I WAS ASKING FOR SOME QUESTIONS, YOU SAID THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD BE THE APPLICANT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED THAT STEP IN THE PROCESS THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY HAS GOT IT.
WHEN DOES SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DELAY LOOKING AT THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION WITH QUALIFICATIONS.
STATE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS COUNTY, UH, ADDRESS THAT LETTER FOR US FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT WITH WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES VERSUS WHAT OUR CODE.
CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO YOUR MIC, JASON, A BETTER CHANCE I CAN, I CAN ADDRESS FOR YOU ALL THE DISCUSSION.
ERIC LANG, WITH REGARDS TO THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, WE'VE COMPLIED WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
THE CDC REQUIRES 15 AS 30 DAYS, UH, BETWEEN 15 AND 30 DAYS.
SO WE COMPLIED WITH THAT 15 DAYS IS BETWEEN 15 AND 30 DAYS.
SO, UM, IT ALSO INCLUDES THE DAY OF THE MEETING.
SO THEY, A SECOND THING ABOUT THE 30 DAYS THEY LEFT DOWN AND, UH, PARTICULAR ATTORNEYS ARE VERY GOOD ABOUT PICKING THE SECTIONS OUT OF THE, OF, UH, OF A PARTICULAR, UH, STATE LAW THAT THEY WANT YOU ALL TO HEAR OR SEE.
AND I CAN PULL IT UP AND SHOW YOU THE FULL SECTION, BUT IT SAYS WHEN THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY TAKES UP AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IN 30 DAYS, NOTICE AS REQUIRED, YOU ALL ARE NOT THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
YOU'RE AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY IS THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
SO WHEN THEY CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE WILL COME INTO PLATE, NOT YOU ALL.
AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER ITEMS, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER ITEMS ABOUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE TO GET WHITE TO THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION ABOUT THE OTHER ITEMS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST SIMPLY THAT IS THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT HAPPEN IN THOSE PARTICULAR CHASE.
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I CAN TELL YOU IN THE TWO ADMINISTRATIVE APPEALS THAT WE HAVE HAD REGARDING CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, OR THE APPLICANT ON THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BY OUTSIDE PARTIES THAT HAVE BROUGHT THESE APPEALS AS, UM, AS A MEANS OF STALLING, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS TO HOLD UP A DEVELOPMENT FROM OCCURRING AND KEEP A DEVELOPER FROM PROGRESSING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.SO I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF HAVING AN APPEAL MECHANISM AT CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL.
IT IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC GOOD.
BUT WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL HAS MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE CDC AND THEY HAVE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS AND THEN ON AN APPEAL IS FILED ON THOSE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, UH, ENCOURAGED, ARE PERMITTED BY OUR COUNTY BECAUSE PROPERTY RIGHTS GO BOTH WAYS, PEOPLE THAT BUY A PROPERTY TO DEVELOP IT OUT OF CERTAIN RIGHTS AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS.
SO WE OUGHT TO FIND THE BALANCE AS TO WHEN THOSE RIGHTS OR, UM, APPLY TO EACH INDIVIDUAL.
AND WE CAN'T ALLOW THE RIGHTS OF ONE TO TRUMP, THE RIGHTS AND THE BENEFITS TO THE OTHER PARTY.
IF THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE MAKING EVERY ATTEMPT TO COMPLY WITH THE RULES AND REGULATION.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JASON, JASON, YOU WITHDREW THE MOTION.
DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE IT OR RESTATE IT? I DON'T SEE, UH, I MEAN, IN RESPONSE, ERIC, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT, UM, MY PROBLEM IS IS THAT THERE IS THE SITUATION WHERE IF, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAD SOME KIND OF ISSUE, UH, AND WANTED TO APPEAL THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THAT THEY WOULD SAVE THE DEVELOPER OR THE, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, FOR ENGINEERING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND IF THAT ISSUE WAS RESOLVED EARLY ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UM, YEAH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICANT CAUSE LUMINOUS, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 60 DAYS, BUT ALSO IT COULD SAVE HIM SOME MONEY IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE APPEAL IS LEGITIMATE.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE APPEALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND AGAIN, I GET YOUR POINT AND I AGREE WITH THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT ON BOTH SIDES, THE APPEAL CAN STOP A DEVELOPMENT FROM OCCURRING, BUT IF YOU ALL FOUND THAT I MADE AN ERROR IN THE ISSUE ON A CONCEPTUAL PLAN APPROVAL, THEN ALL THE PERSONNEL HAS TO DO IS COMPLY WITH THE INTERPRETATION THAT YOU ALL FIND AND KEEP ONGOING WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHETHER IT'S A CONCEPTUAL OR A FINAL, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONCE THE APPEAL IS FILED.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF, IF SOMEONE IS APPEALING THE LAND USE, THEN THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL ANYWAY.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN APPEAL OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THAT IS GOING TO BE AN APPEAL OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ZONING CODE, WHICH IS GOING TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT COULD STOP A DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE MOTION EITHER TO BE RESTATED OR REINSTATED, AS IT WAS STATED, JASON, UM, UM, FUN.
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TENSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN OR WE'LL RECOMMEND APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL.
HI, DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT? SORRY.
WHO WAS THAT? CHAIRMAN? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN.
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COUNT ON THIS OR NO RANDOLPH.RANDOLPH'S NO, DIANE YOU'RE MUTED.
ANYBODY HERE, DIANE, DIANE, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'LL GO BY YOU AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I CAN GET MY CAMERA TOWARDS YOUR BOAT.
DEREK, CAN YOU CLICK THAT? YOU'RE IN THE SECRET.
AM I MISSING HERE? YOU'RE MISSING DIANE.
WE NEED TO COME BACK TO DIANE AND IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO JUST TO ASK HER IF THAT'S YES, THAT SHE HOLD UP ONE FINGER OF NO SHOWS UP TO DIANE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HOLD YOUR HAND UP? IF YOU HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO HOLD UP ONE FINGER FOR YES.
TWO FINGERS FOR NO, I CAN'T SEE YOUR FINGERS.
DIANE, HOLD UP ONE FINGER FOR YES.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN HEAR YOU.
MY, HER DIANE, YES OR NO ON THIS ISSUE.
I'M GOING TO VOTE WITH THE MAJORITY.
WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH THE VOTE, SO I CAN'T INDICATE IT MAJORITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I NEED TO, I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER YOU FAVOR THIS MOTION OR NOT.
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DIANE, DO YOU ABSTAIN, ABSTAIN.SHE HAS NO OPINION, NO WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO ABSTAIN BY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
ERIC, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
DIANE CASH TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO WE HAVE TWO NOS AND ONE ABSENT.
ONTO A TEXT AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT.
WELL, I HOPE THIS ONE GOES A LITTLE, UH, SMOOTHER.
UM, THIS IS A FAIRLY MINOR AMENDMENTS.
UM, AS YOU ALL MAY BE AWARE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, WITH THE CITY OF HARTVILLE JASPER COUNTY BUFORD IN PORT ROYAL ON A SOUTHERN LOW COUNTRY.
UM, GOAL IS TO HAVE UNIFORM STANDARDS ACROSS THE REGION ACROSS JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES.
UM, MANUAL IS MOVING ITS WAY FORWARD THROUGH.
UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE GONE TO NATURAL RESOURCES TODAY, BUT I GUESS IT DID NOT GET ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT MANUAL WORKS KIND OF IN HAND WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODES.
WE HAVE A SECTION ON STORMWATER OR CODES, UM, WHICH REFERENCES THAT MANUAL AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS.
AND SO ALL THESE AMENDMENTS ARE MEANT TO DO IS TO REFERENCE THE NEW MANUAL, THAT IF IT IS APPROVED COUNCIL, WE WILL HAVE LANGUAGE OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THAT'LL MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THAT REWARD.
AND MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THIS IS KIND OF A TIMING ISSUE THAT IF WE FORWARD THIS TO COUNCIL, THEN THEY WILL HAVE BOTH THE MANUAL AND OUR SET OF AMENDMENTS IN HAND AND THE TWO CAN PASS, UH, CONCURRENTLY AND AVOID ANY CONFUSION.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE PASS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMENDMENTS, THERE, THEY'RE NOTHING THAT BASICALLY REPLACEMENT OF LANGUAGE FROM A STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES MANUAL TO OTHER LOCAL COUNTRY STORMWATER MANUAL.
UM, ROB, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, UM, IS THERE CONTENT IN THE SOLO CO STORMWATER ORDINANCE AND DESIGN MANUAL THAT WE SHOULD, AS, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION BE REVIEWING AND SPECIFIC, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A CHANGE OF NAME OF THE DOCUMENT.
IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW WAY OF APPROACHING ON A REGIONAL BASIS, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
ARE THERE THINGS IN THERE THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF BEFORE WE APPROVED THE NAME CHANGE? I MEAN, THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS IN THAT MANUAL THAT ARE DIFFERENT.
UM, YOU, THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK BY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO AS LONG AS WE'VE HAD STORMWATER REGULATIONS AND I CAN'T VOUCH FOR WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT CHANNEL OR NOT, BUT IT HAS GONE THROUGH A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE PROCESS AND NEVER COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THE MANUAL IS MOVING FORWARD IN PARALLEL.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DOES NOT GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL THEN IT DOES THIS PER SE SAY THAT WE IMPROVED.
WE APPROVED THE CONTENTS WITHOUT AN EXAMINATION OF THOSE CONTENTS.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE APPROVING LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE THAT RECOGNIZES THAT THAT IS A MANUAL THAT GOVERNS STORMWATER STANDARDS.
SO, SO THE CONTENT DOESN'T COME UNDER OUR PURVIEW FOR REVIEW? NO.
ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS THAT CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO
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THEREFORE, UH, APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT? HI, KEVIN, DID YOU MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT IS MOTION BY KEVIN TO APPROVE SECOND IT BY CAROLINE.I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN FOR A VOICE VOTE.
ERIC IS RANDOLPH ON RANDOLPH APPEARS TO HAVE LEFT THE MEETING.
SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX YESES.
AND, WELL, I GUESS THAT'S AN ABSTENTION FROM RANDOLPH OR A NO VOTE.
WE JUST HAVE SIX YESES BECAUSE HE LEFT THE MEETING.
THAT DOES FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UM, WE WERE HOPING TO GET THROUGH A LOT QUICKER THAN WE HAVE.
IN FACT, I CAN REMEMBER ROB TELLING ME WHO THIS SHOULD GO BACK 20 MINUTES.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ABOUT AN HOUR AND A 35 MINUTES SO FAR.
UM, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES.
I'M GOING TO SAY UPFRONT IF, UH, GLEN IS STILL HERE, I'M GOING TO SAY UP FRONT, WE'VE GOT A VERY, VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE.
IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE THE PROCESS COMING REALLY QUICK, REALLY QUICK TOWARD US.
UM, IT'S IN SOME FINAL STAGES BASED ON YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR, YOU'LL HEAR THOSE DATES IN THOSE STAGES.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A PLAY WITH YOU AT THIS POINT TO BE VERY MUCH ENGAGED WITH THE REMAINING PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT THROUGH AND GET IT ONTO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
UH, YOU'LL HEAR THE TARGET DATES, UM, WHICH WILL, WELL I'LL WAIT AND LET ROBIN GLENN INTRODUCED THAT.
WELL, I THINK YOU GAVE A GOOD, UH, OF CROWNS.
I THINK THE ONE THING I WILL SAY TO THE PLANNING AND THIS, THAT THIS HAS BEEN A VERY UNUSUAL YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, WE BEGAN THE YEAR, UM, WITH AN AMBITIOUS SCHEDULE.
WE HAD A ROUND OF MEETINGS IF YOU REMEMBER IN, UM, EARLY MARCH AND THEN THE PANDEMIC HITS.
AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY VIGOR VIGOROUSLY TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO BEHIND THE SCENES AND GETTING ALL THE MAPPING AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION TOGETHER.
WE'VE HAD TO DO A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENTS ONLINE.
UM, BUT WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO MEET, UM, HONOR THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PROVIDE A BRIEFING.
UM, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANTS.
UH, THE DESIGN WORKSHOP IN GLEN WALTERS HAS BEEN THE PROJECT MANAGER IN, IN MY CONTACT THERE.
AND, UM, WE'VE HAD, AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVEN'T LOST HIM WITH, UH, YOU'RE STILL THERE.
GLEN, ARE YOU WITH US? I'M THERE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT.
I'VE GOT TWO OF THESE THINGS GOING ON AT ONCE.
SO GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL ARE HERE.
UM, AS BIT AS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS THING REALLY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND HAVE A LOT OF GREAT CONTENT, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING SO FAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ACTUALLY THAT EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGE TO BE IN PERSON, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY
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BEEN ABLE TO CAPTURE A LOT OF, UH, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.AND, AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP EXPANDING THAT AS WE GO AND TRY AND GET THIS THING FINISHED.
HERE'S YOUR, HERE'S THE GUYS THAT ARE WORKING ON IT.
UM, KURT CALLED AS UP AS THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, HE'S BEEN AROUND DESIGN WORKSHOP FOREVER.
UM, AND THEN THESE ARE THE REST OF THE GUYS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH REALLY HARD TO GET A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE BUILT IN A LOT OF GRADES MAPPING AND A LOT OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERACTION GOING.
BUT THE COMMUNITY WE STARTED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, UH, WAS A PRETTY AMAZING, UH, EFFORT TO PULL TOGETHER THE OTHER GIS RESEARCH, UH, GIS DATA TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE LAND WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY TAKEN ON THAT CHALLENGE OF BALANCE BETWEEN THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AS ONE OF THE GREAT VALUES THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALL HAS HAD FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THE REALITY THAT THAT BALANCE IS GOING TO BECOME MORE CRITICAL AS CONTINUES TO OCCUR TO HAPPEN.
SO WE REALLY USE THE COUNTY'S G I S I S DATABASE, UH, AND ORGANIZE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY AS WELL AS REACHING OUT TO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, TOO, TO GET ADDITIONAL DATA, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, AS WELL AS THE, THE GROWTH DYNAMICS.
AND THEN WE HAD THE BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DAYS, A FEW DAYS FOR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, UH, WITH PEOPLE THAT COULD INFORM US ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER THAT BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR EDUCATION, OR, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UM, DEVELOPER ISSUES.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE THING WE DID GET UP PUBLIC MEETING DONE.
UM, THE FOURTH AND FIFTH, WE HAD TWO MEETINGS AND GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THERE.
WE HAD A MEETING THAT WE HAD TWO MEETINGS FOR THE GREEN PRINT PLAN, AS WELL AS THE MATCH RESOURCES SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN AUGUST 13TH AND 20TH, THAT ACTUALLY YIELDED HAS YIELDED SO FAR ABOUT ALMOST CLOSE TO 900 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY QUESTIONS, WHICH REQUIRED THEM TO ALSO READ, UH, AND WATCH THE PRESENTATIONS WE GAVE ON THOSE.
SO THAT'S PRETTY EXPANDED NUMBER COMPARED TO WHAT WE GOT PERSON A AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE HAD A WORKSHOP DEVOTED TO GROWTH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED.
AND WE'RE GETTING, UM, FOLKS COMING IN AND TAKING THE SURVEY THERE, WE ARE SCHEDULED, I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL THE END, THIS, BUT WE'RE SCHEDULED TO BE DOWN THREE DAY IN OPEN HOUSE.
WE'LL MAKE IT VERY COVID FRIENDLY.
UM, ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AT THEIR LEISURE, DEEP SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND SET UP EXHIBITS THAT PEOPLE CAN REVIEW AND COMMENT ON WITHOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO JAM PEOPLE TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, SITTING TO FOLKS AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE THEM FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT WE WOULD VALUE THE IN-PERSON WORKSHOPS.
AND WE ALSO VALUE, UH, REACHING, UH, YOU KNOW, AS MANY CORNERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
SO, UH, GEARING UP FOR THIS, UM, THERE'S THIS WORKSHOP HERE AT THE END OF OCTOBER ON THE 27TH, 28TH AND 29TH, ALL OF THAT WILL GO INTO THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE WORKING ON THE GREEN PRINT PLAN.
AND IT'S A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE GREEN PRINT PLAN ISN'T BEING DONE IN ISOLATION AND THE, THE, THE RESULTS OF THE COMMUNITY PROCESS THAT ARE GONNA INFORM THE GREEN PRINT PLAN TO THEN INFORM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND BOTH OF THOSE DOCUMENTS CAN WORK, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER, WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE REALLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULD BE THE THING THAT BRINGS ALL OF THESE EFFORTS TOGETHER AND INFORMS ALL OF THESE EFFORTS AND VICE VERSA, THESE SUBSEQUENT PLANS AND FORM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAD SOME GOOD WORKSHOPS IN MARCH THAT TALKED REALLY ABOUT VISION AND PRIORITIES AROUND GROWTH AND NATURAL RESOURCES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IN SUMMARY, WE GET KEYPAD POLLING AS PART OF THAT IN SUMMARY PARTICIPANTS WERE MOST SATISFIED WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACES THAT THEIR ACCESS TO NATURE FEELING SAFE AND SECURE AND STRONG FEELINGS OF COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTY, THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE LEAST SATISFIED WITH, HAD TO DO WITH SPRAWLING DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING, AFFORDABILITY, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES,
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AND TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, UM, OR LIMITING TO THEM.WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT LAND USE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT PRIORITIES WERE AROUND LOW, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, ALONG WITH THE PARTS THAT SERVICE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES, UH, THERE WAS A STRONG LEAD TOWARDS CONSERVATION BASED DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS TRYING TO RESOLVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, EXCUSE ME, AND PRIORITIES WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING AND POLICY SHOULD BE MORE TRAINING AND EDUCATION, REGIONAL COOPERATION AND COLLABORATION, SUPPORTING ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND EXPANDING UPON THE RECREATION, OUTDOOR, THE OUTDOOR RECREATION TOURISM INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY BLESSED WITH.
THEY TOLD US THAT FUTURE GROWTH SHOULD BE BALANCED PRESERVATION FOCUSED ON PRESERVING WHAT WE HAVE AND BETTER HANDLED WITH ALL SEASON PLANS.
CRITICAL CONCERNS ABOUT SQUIRRELS.
AGAIN, HAD TO DO WITH AFFORDABILITY, TRAFFIC DETECTING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND FLOODING AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN MOST IMPORTANT MANAGEMENT GROWTH WAS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PRESERVATION OF THE CHARACTER THAT IT GETS THERE AND LIMITING.
AND THE IMPACTS OF WE THEN HAD A, UH, WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS RELATED TO THE GREEN PRINT PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO INFORMING THE NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE'D GOTTEN OVER 900 OR NO CLOSE TO OVER 800, BUT CLOSE TO 900 SURVEY RESPONSES TO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR SWEATS, BUT AS WELL AS THE WORK THAT ROB AND OTHERS HAVE DONE AT THE COUNTY TO REALLY TRY TO PUSH, UM, THE SURVEYS OUT TO THE CORNERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE CAN GET AS BROAD US INPUT AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
UM, IN TERMS OF CONSERVATION PRIORITY, FOLKS SAID THAT WATER QUALITY, CRITICAL HABITAT FLOOD, PLAIN OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS WITH SCENIC VIEWS WERE THEIR TOP PRIORITIES.
AND THEN TWO AREAS THAT WERE MOST IMPORTANT TO TARGET CONSERVATION EFFORTS WHERE THE PORT RURAL SOUTH WATERSHED AND THE SEA ISLANDS, AS IT RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN BEAVER COUNTY, WE TALKED TO THEM WITHIN THE GREEN PRINT PLAN ABOUT WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WITHIN THESE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS, WHETHER IT SHOULD BE NO DEVELOPMENT, LIMITED DEVELOPMENT FOR ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN, THIS SORT OF TESTS, WHAT THE FEELINGS WERE AROUND.
SOME OF THESE ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS THAT MAY BE, HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN WITHIN THE PAST, UM, IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, EITHER NO OR LIMITED DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE MOST USUAL, UH, RESPONSES IN AREAS PROJECTED TO BE IMPACTED BY SEA LEVEL RISE.
IT WAS MOSTLY NO DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE IT WOULD IMPACT OPEN SPACE AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS, MOSTLY LIMITED DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR ALL THE WORLD CHARACTERS, MOSTLY LIMITED DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, GROWTH.
UM, THE PARTICIPANTS TOLD US THAT AS IT RELATES TO PROTECTING IMPORTANT LAND, THEY REALLY DIVIDE IT ON COUNTY PURCHASES LAND TO PRESERVE IT, UM, VERSUS THE EMPHASIS ON THE COUNTY USING ZONING AND ORDINANCES TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT.
SO A COMBINATION OF HOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT IN THE PAST, AS WELL AS MAYBE THINKING FURTHER ABOUT, UH, THE ZONING CODE AND LIMITING DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT HAVE SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENT, AND THEN OVER 50% OF THE PARTICIPANTS SO FAR THAT YES, THE GREEN PRINT PLAN SHOULD ALSO INFORM GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLANNING, MEANING THAT, UH, THAT THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE GREEN PRINT PLAN SHOULD INFORM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INFORM ZONING AND LAND USE GOING FORWARD.
WE HAD A WORKSHOP, UH, SEPTEMBER 17TH, UH, WHERE WE'VE LAUNCHED ANOTHER PRESENTATION AROUND GROWTH AND ECONOMICS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE OUTCOMES OF THAT INCLUDED, UM, STRATEGIES THAT, UH, RELATED TO NOT ALLOWING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREAS, WHICH MOSTLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE LOWLANDS, THE LAST CODE, THE FLOODING WETLANDS FLOOD, PLAIN, THOSE, THOSE SORTS OF AREAS, UH, A, A DESIRE CONSERVATION BASED ZONING.
SO THOSE CRITICAL AREAS, AWESOME ABILITY OF MORE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AROUND POPULATION CLUSTERS, JUST TO LIMIT THAT THE SPRAWL THAT COMES OUT OF THOSE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE AND LARGER PURCHASES, BOTH IN SPACE.
AND THEN, THEN THE PLACES THAT SHOULD PROMOTE ACCOMMODATING.
WELL, ACCORDING TO THE PARTICIPANTS INCLUDED WITHIN THE
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UNDEVELOPED LOSS, UH, WITHIN PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY SUBDIVIDED IN OUR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF CAPACITY AVAILABLE WITHIN PLANNING UNITS, THE ELEMENTS THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SEEN THESE PRESENTATIONS IN THE STUDY, WE DID REVEAL THAT EVEN WITHIN THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, YOUR PROJECTED GROWTH OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT THIS COMP PLAN IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR.SO LOT OF, LOT OF, LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF, UH, SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA OF BUILD WITHIN THE AREAS YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED.
UH, THINK ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING WITH MUNICIPALITIES, WITH JOBS AND SERVICES AND SOCIAL THINGS.
AND IT'S A STRUCTURE IT'S ALREADY LOCATED, AND THEN A RECOGNITION THAT GROWTH IS SPREADING TOWARDS JASPER COUNTY AND HARTSVILLE.
THERE, WE, UM, AS PART OF OUR PLANNING WORK, WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT, UM, DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR IN DEPTH PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
THEY HAVE ZONING AND, AND IN MANY CASES THEY MIGHT HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY PRESERVATION OVERLAID ON THEM AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT WE WANTED TO SORT OF TAKE SOME OF THESE IDEAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND CONSERVATION AREAS THAT RELATES TO FLOOD PLAINS AND WETLANDS AND STUFF.
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THOSE ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF BOGUS, HOW THOSE TWO THINGS CAN WORK TOGETHER.
AND WE TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THOSE IN ADVANCE OF US DOING SOME DIAGRAMMATIC PLANS FOR EACH OF THESE TO SHOW HOW IT POSSIBLY MIGHT WORK TO CREATE MORE CONNECTIVITY, A BETTER RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPMENT AND NATURAL AREAS.
AND, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS MIGHT FORM ACCORDING TO THE EXISTING ZONING IN MORE COMPLETE WAYS.
AND SO WE DID, THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE.
WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR, AND WE GOT FOLKS TO GIVE US THEIR IMPRESSIONS ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THOSE, UM, AND PROMO PLANNING TEXT.
AND SO ON THAT BACK PARTICULAR CASE, THE THINGS THAT ROSE TO THE TOP HAD TO DO WITH MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE THE MIX OF USES, WHERE IT WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, DEVELOP AFFORDABLE AND WORK FOR HOUSING FORCE HOUSING, WORKING WITH SMALL AREAS AND THAT ARTICULATE LAND USE OF THE COMMUNITY PATTERNS MORE CLEARLY IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE 70 QUARTER, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO SEE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED LEVEL TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ABOUT HOW THINGS EVOLVE AND, AND TO SECURE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE RELATED, YOU KNOW, HOUSING, AS WELL AS THE SHIP'S ENVIRONMENT.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WITHIN THAT, THAT AREA THAT WAS PRONE TO FLOODING AND HOW THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, UH, AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT.
THEY WANTED TO PROMOTE CONSERVATION OR CONSERVATION BASED DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THERE.
THEY WANTED IT TO POSSIBLY THE NOT DEVELOP IT OR CREATE SPECIAL STANDARDS SUCH AS LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND USING PLANT CONSERVATION TOOL.
SO THAT AREA THAT YOU REMEMBER HERE, THIS GREEN HATCH AREA, WHICH RELATES TO THE FLOOD PLAIN RELATES TO WETLANDS IS ALSO PRETTY CLOSE TO THE YEAR THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY SEA LEVEL RISE.
IN MANY CASES AROUND THE COUNTY, UM, FOLKS ARE WANTING TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT THOSE AREAS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING BY ALLOW FOR, AND TO START TO THINK ABOUT, UM, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT THEY CAN FUNCTION A LITTLE BIT BETTER FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP STANDPOINT ARE CHUGGING ALONG.
I MEAN, THIS, THIS SCHEDULE LOOKS REALLY COMPRESSED, BUT IT REALLY IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH.
UM, WE'RE JUST AT THE BACK END OF THIS THING WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO PULL IT TOWARDS CONCLUDES YOU, THEN THAT, OF COURSE ALWAYS MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK DRAMATIC AND BRIGHT, BUT WE REALLY HAVE A GREAT FOUNDATION TO PULL TO PULL FROM.
AND, AND ROB'S BEEN FANTASTIC ABOUT REVIEWING THINGS ALONG THE WAY, AND WE'VE JUST GOT A REALLY GREAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GREAT HEADSTART TO BE ABLE TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING AND GET IT TO REVIEW FOR THE GREEN PRINT PLAN.
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THOSE SURVEY RESULTS TO DO PRIORITY MAPPING THAT ENABLES BOTH THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS AND OTHERS TO SEE WHICH LANDS RISE UP TO BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR CONSERVATION SO THAT EVERYONE CAN, UH, ACT ON THOSE PRIORITIES IN INAPPROPRIATE WAYS.
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ALREADY THAT WE'RE GOING TO REFINE AND GET REVIEWED.AND WE'RE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING A DRAFT DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD ON NOVEMBER 6TH.
UM, AND THEN THE TERMS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TIMELINE, WE TALKED ABOUT BEGIN IN PERSON WORKSHOP AT THE END OF THE MONTH, WORKING ON WERE DRAFTED.
WE'RE ALREADY DRAFTED THE DOCUMENT AND HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MAPPING THAT RELATES TO THE DIFFERENT THEMES AND ELEMENTS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY IN THE WORKS.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER TO MAKE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL, USER-FRIENDLY SIMPLE, UH, THAT OF DOCUMENTS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TRYING TO INTEGRATE TO GET THAT OUT FOR REVIEW THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER WITH AN IDEA ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET COMMENTS BACK AND REVISE THOSE SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE TO COMMISSION TO YOU ALL ON JANUARY 15, BEGIN TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TO ADOPTION.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, BUT WE HAVE SOME LEEWAY IN THAT BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES OF COVID AND ITS EFFECT ON ALL OF OUR PROCESSES, BUT WE STILL WANT TO GET THIS DOCUMENT COMPLETE AND GET IT, GET IT USEFUL, RIGHT.
SO THAT IT IS IT IS THERE AND AVAILABLE FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, GLENN, AS QUICK QUESTION, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS ON THIS CHART PERTAIN TO, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU SAID THE COUNTY COUNCIL, CORRECT? I'M SORRY.
SO THERE ARE SOME SUBSEQUENT DATES WHEN IT HAS TO BE TO COUNTY COUNCIL, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THE 15TH IS THE DATE THAT IT COMES BACK TO YOU AFTER ROB HAS GOTTEN YOUR INITIAL COMBAT AND THEN IT'LL MOVE FROM YOU ALL THROUGH THE REST OF THE ADOPTION PROCESS.
NOW I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UM, THIS, THIS IS A TIGHT SCHEDULE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING FIRST DRAFT DOCUMENT, THE GREEN PRINT PLAN WITHIN ABOUT THREE WEEKS, UH, BE GIVEN A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY LEEWAY IF NECESSARY THAT WE COULD, THAT WOULD TAKE US OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FOR THE REVIEW PROCESS? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FOR SURE.
UM, THE, THE, I THINK THE GREENPRINT TIMELINE I KNOW HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH ROB AND ERIC AND WITH SOMEONE.
SO, SO THAT ONE, AND NOW WHEN WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY, WE, WE ACTUALLY LET ME STOP.
WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT OUR, OUR ABILITY TO WORK ON OUR PART TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT TO THE COUNTY, INITIATE THE REVIEW PROCESS.
THE, THE QUESTIONS REALLY THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LENGTH OF THE REVIEW PROCESSES, THEN WITHIN THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HOPING THAT WE CAN BE REALLY EFFICIENT ABOUT IT, NOT THIS TRUNCATED TOO MUCH, BUT TO REALLY HAVE AN ORGANIZED REVIEW PROCESS THAT ENABLES US TO GET CLEAR AND PRIORITIZE COMMENTS BACK SO THAT WE CAN REDO THE DOCUMENT AND GET IT BACK INTO THE ADOPTION PROCESS.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THOSE MEETINGS ON THE 27TH, 28TH AND 29TH, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE TAKING IN THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OF THE COUNTY, UM, THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ATTEND MORE ONE OR MORE OF THOSE? I WOULD, I CERTAINLY WOULD.
AND I TELL YOU WHAT, WE STILL HAVE THE OTHER PRESENTATION UP ON THE WEBSITE, WWW.ENVISIONVIEWFORCOUNTY.COM.
AND THAT WILL REALLY BRING YOU UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT LAND AND, AND GROWTH AND, UM, CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION.
A LOT OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT, THAT HAS BEEN AROUND AS SOMEONE SAID TODAY FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF, IF Y'ALL, UM, WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND, AND BE PART OF THIS NEXT WORKSHOP TO GET AS MUCH UP TO SPEED AS YOU CAN ON SOME OF THOSE KEY CONCEPTS.
OH, ARE YOU GOING TO BE PLAYING? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, IN THIS LAST
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WORKSHOP, THESE LAST WORKSHOPS ARE THE 27TH, 28TH AND 29TH.WE WILL BE BRINGING PEOPLE BACK, YOU KNOW, ENABLING PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE WORKSHOP FOR TECHNOLOGICAL REASONS OR WHATEVER TO, TO, TO GET CATCH UP.
AND THEN WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE SUMMARIZING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAN ACROSS THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HELP US PRIORITIZE.
SO, UM, THOSE THREE WORKSHOPS WILL BE, WILL BE PRETTY IMPORTANT.
I ASSUME YOU'LL BE PUTTING OUT LOCATION INFORMATION TO ALL OF US VERY SHORTLY.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SECURING THE LOCATION, WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
WE WERE TO REACH OUT TO A RURAL COMMUNITIES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE WORKSHOP IN THE NORTHERN THE COUNTY, UH, PORT ROYAL ISLAND, OR THE WHALE BRANCH, ONE ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND AND ONE SOUTH ABROAD.
UM, OR WE WILL, AS SOON AS WE HAVE THOSE LOCATIONS SECURE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PUBLISH, UM, AND LET IT FALL WINDOW THE TIMES AND DATES.
DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? I'M HUNGRY AND READY FOR DINNER? WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION TO ASK YOU, WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS COVID ENVIRONMENT, WHAT NINE, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, SAME PERIOD OF TIME THAT THIS STUDY HAS BEEN UNDERWAY.
ARE YOU AND YOUR, IN YOUR OPINION, HAVE ANY RESPONSES INDICATED A BIAS OF THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN CAUSED BY THE COVID ENVIRONMENT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER IT, BUT BASED ON THIS EXPERIENCE ALONE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY DURING THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, AND I'M LEARNING QUITE A BIT WHEN WE DID THE IN-PERSON MEETING.
I THINK WE PROBABLY HAD A TOTAL OF MAYBE 30 PEOPLE RAW 35 PEOPLE BETWEEN THE TWO SESSIONS.
UM, WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT ONLINE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY SEE THEIR FACES AND EVERYTHING, BUT WE'RE GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO THE ONLINE, UH, VIRTUAL PRESENTATIONS.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE, WHEN WE, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, 860, 70, SOME ODD PEOPLE RESPONDING TO THE GREEN PRINT PLAN SURVEY, WHICH IS QUITE A PRETTY AMAZING NUMBER AND, YOU KNOW, GRIT NOW, BUT WITH ALL OF THIS, THE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, WHETHER IT'S IN-PERSON OR WHETHER IT'S VIRTUAL IS WHEN YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A LAND AREA, THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY, EITHER REACHING THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE MORE IN THE MORE RURAL ENVIRONMENTS.
AND SO, UH, WE, WE GAVE IT OUR BEST TO TRY TO GET TO THOSE.
IN FACT, I JUST WENT THROUGH AND LOGGED IN 20 SOME ODD SURVEYS.
I GOT SIT BACK TONIGHT FROM AREA CODES THAT WERE IN THE MORE RURAL AREAS AND THAT WERE DONE IN HARD COPY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A STRUGGLE TO GET FOLKS, TO BE ABLE TO BREAK AWAY FROM JOBS AND FAMILIES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COVID, THE COVID HAS LIMITED OUR, UH, OUR CHOICES IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN, I THINK, A PRETTY STRONG RESPONSE, UM, TO, TO THE, TO THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD DONE INTO THE SURVEY.
AND WE'VE DONE, UH, ANYWAY, AND, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THESE IN-PERSON WORKSHOPS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WE CAN DO AT NORTHERN BE FOR COUNTY, SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, GET, GET A, UH, AN EVEN BROADER CROSS SECTION DEMOGRAPHICALLY THAN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COVID FORCED US INTO THIS VIRTUAL WORLD WILL, WE WOULD NEVER SAY THAT THE IN-PERSON IS NOT IMPORTANT.
AND WE CAN, AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS THAT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH CERTAIN PARTS OF THAT COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S THESE, THESE, IT WAS GOING TO A WEB-BASED FORMAT.
WE WERE FINDING, WE WERE GETTING A LOT MORE PARTICIPATION IN PURE NUMBERS, UH, FROM WEB
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BASED VERSUS IN-PERSON PRIOR TO THIS.UH, I, YOU KNOW, I IT'S, IT'S JUST THE WAY PEOPLE WERE DOING THINGS NOW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GETTING IN THE CAR AND GO INTO A PLACE AND, YOU KNOW, VERSUS SITTING AT HOME, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE FAMILIES AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, ARE PREFERRING TO DO.
NOW, IS THIS, UH, IS THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT ON YOUR WEBSITE OR CAN IT BE MADE AVAILABLE TO US? WELL, IT, THIS ONE CERTAINLY IS THE PARED DOWN FOR YOU ALL, BUT THE GUTS OF THIS PRESENTATION.
AND THEN, I MEAN, THE EXPANSION OF THESE PRESENTATIONS IS ON THE WEBSITE.
SO, UM, IT GETS A LOT MORE DETAIL.
YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THE SURVEY YOURSELVES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD, I'D REALLY LOVE IT IF YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE AND SAW WHAT WE'D BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THAT THERE'S THIS REAL LINKAGE BETWEEN NATURAL RESOURCE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT PLANNING, AND HAVE THAT BE REALLY VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PLAN, WHICH WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
WELL, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, I THANK YOU SO MUCH, GLENN.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A GREAT, GREAT BODY OF WORK, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING IT FURTHER AND IMPLEMENTING, UM, IMPLEMENTING IT IN A TIMELY FASHION.
UM, DO YOU WANT IT TO QUICKLY TALK ABOUT AN IN-PERSON MEETING? YEAH.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, UM, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT, UH, US GOING BACK TO YOUR MEETING IN PERSON? WE WILL SOCIALLY DO STUFF.
WE'LL HAVE THE COVID PROTOCOLS.
IN-PERSON MEETING FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UH, BACK AT THE END OF THE SEPTEMBER ON SEPTEMBER 24TH.
SO IF I CAN FIND A LOCATION, EVEN IF THE COUNTY BUILDINGS ARE NOT OPEN, UM, ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE GOING BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS? UM, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
UM, NO, I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS WITH A MASK ON, UM, I DO WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY HIGH PRIORITY THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO BE IN PERSON.
UM, I WOULD SAY YES, BUT, UM, IF, IF IT'S STUFF LIKE THIS, UM, IF I COULD SIT HERE AT HOME AND NOT HAVE TO WEAR A MASK FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS STRAIGHT, I THINK I THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE ANYWAY.
AND I'M NOT, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN, BUT WE, WE WOULD ALLOW THE REMOVAL OF THE MOUSE ONCE YOU ALL ARE IN THE BUILDING AND IN YOUR STATE, BECAUSE WE WOULD KEEP, UM, A MINIMUM OF SIX, A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET APART WHILE YOU'RE SITTING AT ON THE, UH, AND HEARING CASES.
SO PEOPLE, PEOPLE APPROACHING THE LIGHTROOM WOULD HAVE TO WEAR A MASK AND FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD HAVE TO WEAR MASKS WHILE THEY'RE THERE FOR THEIR ITEM.
IF THEY'RE SPEAKING AT A LIKER AND THEN OF COURSE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WEAR A MASK WHILE THEY'RE TALKING, BUT, UH, IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO YOU ALL HAVING TO WEAR A MASK FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME THROUGH THE ENTIRE MEETING.
EITHER WAY, ANYBODY SEXUALLY, I'M FINE.
EITHER WAY, ADD HERE ONE QUICK THOUGHT, ERIC, OR SUGGEST PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE IN PERSON ABOUT THE OCTOBER 27, 28, 29.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ONE ON ST.
HELENA, I'LL JUST REMIND YOU THAT 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE DID THAT COMP PLAN UPDATE, IT WAS WIDELY ADVERTISED, MANY ACTIVISTS LIKE MYSELF PRINTED UP FLYERS.
I THINK WE HAD 400 PEOPLE TURN OUT AT ST.
HELENA ISLAND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET WITH THE BUFORD COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE GREAT INTERNET ACCESS, UM, KNOW THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE TAKING PLACE JUST FROM A COMMUNITY POINT OF VIEW.
AND I, I HOPE TO WORK WITH YOU AND, UH, YOU'RE CLEVER AND QUEEN QUEEN QUEEN.
I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE
I MEAN, THAT WE DID IN BURTON WELLS AND THERE WAS THERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THERE.
IT WAS A SEVEN HOUR MEETING, WHICH I WASN'T TERRIBLY IMPRESSED WITH, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF VERY, VERY, UM, WELL OUTSTANDING DIALOGUE FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WITHIN BUFORD COUNTY,
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UH, FOR A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT NOBODY WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN DENIED.IN FACT, IF, UH, IF WE HAD IN-PERSON MEETINGS IN A NORMAL ENVIRONMENT, I'M SURE THE CROWD WOULD HAVE QUADRUPLED.
I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME TO AN IN-PERSON MEETING.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, THAT SHOULD BE THE GOAL WE SHOULD MOVE TOWARD, BUT I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ALL OF THE PROVISIONS NECESSARY TO PROTECT BOTH THE, UM, COUNTY BOARDS, COUNTY STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.
ONE THING THAT WHITE ADS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SOCIALLY DISTANCE MEETINGS, UM, WELL, I'M SORRY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND NOT PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE PLAN ON HAVING IT MORE LIKE A DROP-IN OPEN HOUSE TO LIMITS EVERYONE PUT ONE TIME.
AND WE'RE HOPING WITH THAT ALSO, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS LARGER CROWDS WITHOUT HAVING CROWDS.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S THAT, IS THAT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, ERIC? YEAH, I I'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I'M HEARING THAT EVERYONE IS FAIRLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONCEPT AS LONG AS WE CAN DO IT IN A MANNER THAT ACCOMMODATES, UH, FOLKS IN A SAFE FASHION AND THAT YOU ALL ARE NOT REQUIRED TO WEAR YOUR MOUSE FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS DURING THE MEETING.
SO WE'LL TRY TO FIND A LOCATION AND GO THROUGH OUR PROTOCOLS HERE FOR GETTING APPROVAL TO DO THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS, THAT'S IT HEARING? NO OTHER BUSINESS I CALL FOR A GERMAN OF THIS MEETING.
THE COUNTY CHANNEL IS ALSO ON VIDEO ON DEMAND, GO TO BUFORD COUNTY, SC.GOV, SCROLL DOWN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS, CLICK WATCH NOW, AND THEN CLICK THE VIDEO ON DEMAND BUTTON AND SELECT YOUR PROGRAM FROM LIST CALL TO ORDER IF YOU'D LIKE A DVD OF THIS PROGRAM, CLICK ON THE LINK ON THE RIGHT AND FILL OUT THE ORDER FORM.
AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THE COUNTY CHANNEL.
THIS IS LARRY ROLAND, AND THIS IS THE BUFORD COUNTY MOMENT.
ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING ARTIFACTS IN BUFORD COUNTY TO TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE ARE THE RUINS OF THE OLD SHELDON CHURCH.
THE PROPER NAME IS THE PARISH CHURCH OF PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH.
SOUTH CAROLINA PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH WAS FOUNDED IN 1745 IN RESPONSE.
IT WAS THE SECOND ANGLICAN PARISH IN THE BUFORD DISTRICT AFTER ST.
HELENA PARISH FOUNDED IN 1712, THE ORIGINAL PARENT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH IN 1745 WAS IN THE MIDST OF AN ECONOMIC BOOM BECAUSE THE RICE PLANTATIONS SURROUNDED THE SITE ON HOSPITAL NECK, WHERE THE CHURCH EVENTUALLY WAS BUILT.
AND THOSE RICE PLANTERS WERE VERY WEALTHY IN 1745, THE COMMONS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHED PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH.
AND IN 1751, THEY LAID THE CORNERSTONE FOR PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH.
THE CHURCH WAS FINISHED BY 1755 AND WELL-APPOINTED, IT HAS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING THE FIRST OR OLDEST TEMPLE FORM, GREEK REVIVAL BUILDING IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.
SO THAT RUINED IT SHELDON, WHICH FASCINATES PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FASCINATE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND AMERICAN PUBLIC BUILDINGS, PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH, OR THE OLD SHELDON RUINS WAS BURNED BY BRITISH TORIES DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN 1779.
IT LAY IN RUINS UNTIL 1826, CHARLES FRAZIER, THE FAMOUS LOW COUNTRY ARTISTS PAINTED A PICTURE OF IT IN 1819 AFTER IT WAS RESTORED TO USE
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AND SERVICES IN 1826, HE CAME AND LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, MY GOD, THEY'VE TAKEN A BEAUTIFUL RUIN AND TURNED IT INTO AN UGLY CHURCH.SO THE UNION ARMY AND THE EVENTS OF THE CIVIL WAR RESTORED IT TO A BEAUTIFUL RUIN.
WE THOUGHT FOR MANY YEARS, THAT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH HAD BEEN BURNED BY SHERMAN'S FORCES AS THEY MARCH THROUGH THIS DISTRICT.
THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
THE CHURCH WAS INTACT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND WAS DISMANTLED LOCAL FOLKS WHO USE THE PARTS OF THE CHURCH TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND BARNS.
AND SO THE WOOD BASICALLY WAS TAKEN OUT.
THE ROOF, FELL IN THE CHURCH, BECAME A RUIN AND WAS IN DISUSE UNTIL MODERN TIMES.
IT IS REMAINED AS CHARLES FRASER SET A BEAUTIFUL AND ENTICING RUIN.
THIS HAS BEEN A BUFORD COUNTY WELLMONT TO SEE MORE BUFORD COUNTY MOMENTS, GO TO THE BUFORD COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.
HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BUFORD COUNTY.
AND YOU REALLY NEVER KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TO EXPECT, BUT THE WEATHER COOPERATED ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS OUT OF HERE.
AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, I WOULD SAY JUST A FANTASTIC TURNOUT.
UM, AND THEY GOT TO WATCH SOME, UH, VINTAGE AIRCRAFT AND SOME BRAND NEW AIRCRAFT WITH A GULF STREAM DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A FLY OVER PRETTY EXCITING STUFF.
EACH YEAR SOUTH, UH, AVIATION ASSOCIATION DOES, DOES NEED TO HAVE A WEEK TO PROMOTE AVIATION.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, TO THE ECONOMY OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
SO THEY ENCOURAGED ALL EACH OF THE 57 AIRPORTS WE STATE TO PUT ON SOME KIND OF EVENT DURING THAT WEEK.
AND WE PICKED THE 15TH, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS VICTORY OVER JAPAN.
SO WE GOT JOHN RAMBLED AND THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD TO JOIN US ENTHUSIASTIC.
SO, UM, I, UH, ARE SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS, WHO'VE GOTTEN 11 FLYBYS GULF STREAM AND, UH, ALL DIFFERENT AIRPLANES.
WE WERE ABLE TO STRUCTURE IT WITH THESE STATIC DISPLAY AIRPLANES.
AND THERE'S 10 OF THOSE ALL UNIQUE, SOME HIGH WINGS, SOME LOW, SOME, UH, GRASS AIRPLANES, SEA PLANES, TWO SEAT PLANES.
UH, AND WE SHOW THE DIVERSITY OF, UH, AIRPLANES IN OUR AIRPORT FOR CANDLES.
WELL, FIRST WE'RE VERY HOT AT THE AIRPORT AND FOR THIS NOT JUST SPECIAL.
SO THE COUNTY I'M IN THE AIRMAN, OUR CHAPTER, I KNEW WHAT TO DO SOMETHING IN RETURN.
WE WERE RECOGNIZED WE WERE PUT OFF AUDIT GUESTS OF THIS ANNUAL EVENT, 75 YEARS, SINCE THEN, AS IT GET MORE SPECIAL.
SO WE WENT NEED A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION, BEAUTIFUL ITALIAN KIND OF AIRPORT, BUT RECOGNIZE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST FIGURED LET'S OPEN UP THE GATES.
LET'S LET PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT THE AIRPORT, TAKE SOME OF THE MYSTERY OUT OF THINGS AND SHOW THEM THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR THE RICHMOND.
AVIATION CAN BE FUN FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S JOBS IN ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF AVIATION.
SO WE JUST WANT TO OPEN PEOPLE'S EYES, GIVE YOU SOMETHING FUN TO DO.
AND WE DID THAT 5K THIS MORNING, TOO.
AND HOW OFTEN DO YOU GET TO RUN A FIVE PANEL RUN AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BUFORD COUNTY? HI, I'M ALICE HOWARD AND I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR AND BUFORD COUNTY.
IT'S LOCATED IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY AND THE BOUNDARIES INCLUDE A GOOD PORTION OF THE CITY OF BUFORD STARTING UP IN THE A HUNDRED PINES AREA DOWN TO MOSSY OAKS IN THE CITY OF BUFORD.
AND THEN OVER TO PORT ROYAL, ALMOST ALL OF THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL'S INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE PART, UM, WITHIN THE OLD TOWN OF PORT ROYAL AND ACROSS REBUILT ROAD UP TO PICKET FENCES.
THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF, UH, DISTRICT FOUR INCLUDES, UH, SOME PLACES LIKE RIGHT HERE AT THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THEN ALSO ALL OF SHELL POINT ON THE SIDE OF THE SAVANNAH
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HIGHWAY TOWARD THE RIVER.AND THE DISTRICT IS PRIMARILY A LOT OF HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES.
AND IT'S, UH, A WORKING CLASS.
I CALL IT A WORKING-CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE SEEING SECOND GENERATION AND THIRD GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE MOVING IN THE AREA.
THIS IS THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL THAT RUNS THROUGH THE DISTRICT.
UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY CROSS REBOUGHT ROAD IN THE NEAR FUTURE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PORT AND PORT ROYAL, WHICH WILL BE GREAT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, SEEN JUST HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE USE THIS TRAIL, AND IT'S SUCH AN ASSET TO THE COUNTY, THE CITY OF BUFORD AND THE TOWN OF PORT OIL.
AND WE HOPE, UH, UH, PEOPLE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY CAN APPRECIATE IT.
AND WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER, UH, WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES OR RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS OR WALK THEIR DOGS THAT USE IT DAILY.
WELL, DISTRICT FOUR HAS A LOT OF EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES IN IT, STARTING WITH TCL IS IN DISTRICT FOUR.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BUFORD MIDDLE SCHOOL AND MOSSY OAKS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TWO CHARTER SCHOOLS, UH, LOW COUNTRY MONTESSORI SCHOOL AND THE SHELL POINT AREA.
AND THEN THE RIVER RIVERVIEW CHARTER SCHOOL.
AND THEN PORT ROYAL HAS THIS OWN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THAT I THINK CREATES A GREAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU SEE CHILDREN WALKING TO THEIR SCHOOL OR GETTING TO GO TO THE CHARTER SCHOOL THAT THEY MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE GET TO DO BY CHOICE.
AND THEN TCL OF COURSE, IS OUR, OUR, OUR LOCAL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, UH, WHERE IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAY AT HOME OR THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO GO AWAY TO COLLEGE, THEY CAN GET A TWO-YEAR DEGREE AT TCL.
UH, AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THIS IS THE BUFORD CLUSTER, AS FAR AS MOSSY OAKS AND BUFORD, MIDDLE DISTRICT FOUR HAS A LOT OF, UH, ASSETS TO IT SUCH AS HERE, THAT'S IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, THE CYPRESS WETLANDS IT'S IT PROVIDES AN EASY WAY TO ACCESS THE OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT FOR FAMILIES WHO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT AND THE TOWN OF PORT.
ROYAL'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH IT.
AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC, THIS AREA WAS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES THAT CHILDREN AND FAMILIES COULD COME AND BE OUTSIDE.
AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER AREAS IN, IN THE DISTRICT LIKE THIS, BUT I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THAT DISTRICT FOUR IS A WORK AND LIVE DISTRICT, AND YOU CAN WORK AND LIVE AND PLAY IN YOUR DISTRICT.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT THROUGH BIKE, RIDING, WALKING, AND ALSO WORKING BECAUSE THE HOSPITALS IN OUR DISTRICT TOO, AND PARIS ISLAND IN THE NAVAL HOSPITAL IN THE BACKGROUND IS BATTERY CREEK, WHICH BISECTS DISTRICT FOUR.
AND PART OF OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY IN DISTRICT FOUR.
WE ALSO HAVE, THIS IS A BOAT LANDING, THE PARIS ISLAND BOAT LANDING NEAR PARIS ISLAND.
AND WE HAVE THE SANDS, WHICH THE COUNTY MAINTAINS, WHICH IS IN THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL LANDING.
AND ACCESS TO WATER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE IN DISTRICT FOUR, BECAUSE WE LIKE TO GET OUT ON THE WATER AND PEOPLE LIKE TO FISH.
AND THE ENVIRONMENT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, WE'RE IN A MORE SUBURBAN URBAN AREA, BUT WE HAVE READY ACCESS TO THE BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT OF DISTRICT FOUR.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS IN DISTRICT FOUR THAT DO THINGS LIKE PICK UP LITTER AND VOLUNTEER GROUPS, SUCH AS THE VILLAGE, PEOPLE IN PORT ROYAL AND OTHER KEY BEAUTIFUL HIGHWAY GROUPS THAT HELP MAINTAIN DISTRICT FOUR IS A PLACE EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE HERE AT SHELL POINT PARK, WHICH IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF DISTRICT FOUR IN THE SHELL POINT AREA.
AND THIS PARK WILL HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE, WITH A PATHWAY DUE TO THE 1 CENT SALES TAX THAT WAS VOTED IN ALL THE WAY UP TO BEHIND THE BI-LO ON THE HIGHWAY, WHICH WILL BE A GREAT ASSET AND MORE CONDUCTIVITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IN SHELL POINT AND PEOPLE WHO LIKED TO COME TO THIS PARK, UH, THE ONGOING PRIORITIES IN OUR DISTRICT FOR CONTINUED TO BE STORMWATER.
THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE WAS BUILT YEARS AGO, WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADDRESS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TWO MUNICIPALITIES AND THE COUNTY AND THE SHELL POINT AREA, AND ALSO, UH, ANOTHER ONGOING PRIORITY SIDEWALKS.
UH, OUR URBAN SUBURBAN DISTRICT NEEDS MORE CONNECTIVITY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK WHERE THEY PLAY AND LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE COUNTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH
I'M YOUR COUNTY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT FOUR.
I HOPE YOU WILL CONTACT ME WITH ANY CONCERNS,
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COMPLAINTS, OR QUESTIONS AT MY CELL NUMBER (843) 986-7403 OR BY EMAIL.YOU SEE OUR STARS LOCATED IN OUR MILKY WAY, GALAXY A GIANT SPIRAL DISC 100,000 LIGHT YEARS ACROSS.
THERE ARE SOMEWHERE AROUND 200 BILLION STARS IN THE MILKY WAY, ALL ROTATING AROUND A SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE AT THE CENTER, BUT WHAT BINDS ALL THESE STARS TOGETHER? WHAT KEEPS THEM FROM SLINGSHOTTING OUT INTO SPACE.
IT'S THE SAME FORCE THAT KEEPS THE EARTH IN ORBIT AROUND THE SUN, THE MOON IN ORBIT AROUND THE EARTH AND CAUSES THIS APPLE TO FALL TO THE GROUND GRAVITY IN THE LATE 16 HUNDREDS, SIR, ISAAC NEWTON DISCOVERED AND DESCRIBED GRAVITY.
HE DEVELOPS THE LAW OF GRAVITATION TO EXPLAIN THE FORCE OF ATTRACTION BETWEEN TWO OBJECTS.
HE FOUND THAT THE CLOSER TO OBJECTS ARE THE MORE FORCE THEY EXERT ON ONE ANOTHER.
AND THE MORE MASSIVE AND OBJECT IS THE MORE FORCE IT HAS.
HE CREATED A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA TO DESCRIBE THIS FORCE OF ATTRACTION AND SHOWED THAT THE SAME GRAVITY THAT PULLED THE APPLE TO THE GROUND WAS WHAT HELD THE MOON IN ORBIT AROUND THE EARTH.
GRAVITY IS THE FORCE THAT ORGANIZES ALL OF THE MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE.
EACH OF THESE STUDENTS REPRESENTS A CLUMP OF MATTER IN SPACE, THEIR SIZE OR THEIR MASS IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LETTERS IN THEIR NAMES.
SO THE MORE LETTERS THEY HAVE IN THEIR NAME, THE HIGHER THE FORCE THEY EXERT ON THEIR NEIGHBORS.
NOTICE THAT OVER TIME, THE MATTER COLLIDES AND CLUMPS
MERCURY HAS SEEMED TO BE ZOOMING AROUND THE SUN SLIGHTLY FASTER THAN EXPECTED.
IN 1915, HE PUBLISHED HIS GENERAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY, WHICH IMPROVED UPON THE LIMITATIONS OF NEWTON'S WORK EINSTEIN'S THEORY, BROUGHT SPACE AND TIME TOGETHER INTO AN ENTITY NOW CALLED TIME.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE AND ANYTHING THAT HAS MASS DISTORTS SPACE TIME.
SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS STRETCHY FABRIC TO REPRESENT TIME, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT MATTER CURVES SPACE TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A MORE MASSIVE OBJECT, TIME IS CURVED MORE.
SO THE LARGER OBJECT HAS A LARGER GRAVITATIONAL FORCE.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE OBJECT, THE MORE CURVED SPACE TIME IS WE CAN DEMONSTRATE HOW THE MORE MASSIVE OBJECT HAS A STRONGER GRAVITATIONAL FORCE BY THE RATE AT WHICH THE MARBLE.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE ORBITING IN SPACE, JUST LIKE PLANETS ORBIT AROUND STARS.
THEY'RE MOVING FAST ENOUGH NOT TO FALL IN TO THE STAR, BUT SLOW ENOUGH THAT THEY DON'T ESCAPE OUT INTO OUTER SPACE.
NOW IN OUR DEMONSTRATION, THE MARBLES ARE EVENTUALLY FALLING IN TO OUR STAR, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S FRICTION IN THE VACUUM OF SPACE.
THERE'S NO FRICTION TO SLOW THEM DOWN AND THEY JUST BASICALLY ORBIT INDEFINITELY.
WE CAN ALSO SEE THAT AS THE PLANETS GET CLOSER TO THE STAR, THEY ORBIT MORE QUICKLY BECAUSE SPACE-TIME IS MORE STRETCHED THERE.
AND IF WE HAVE A REALLY MASSIVE PLANET GOING AROUND THE STAR, IT ACTUALLY CAUSES THE STAR TO WOBBLE.
AND THAT'S HOW ASTRONOMERS LOOK FOR PLANETS AROUND OTHER STARS.
THEY LOOK FOR THE WOBBLE EINSTEIN'S THEORY OF RELATIVITY ALSO SUCCESSFULLY PREDICTED GRAVITATIONAL WAVES, ANY OBJECT MOVING THROUGH SPACE TIME, CREATE SMALL RIPPLES IN THE FABRIC OF THE UNIVERSE.
DETECTING GRAVITATIONAL WAVES WOULD PROVIDE FURTHER EVIDENCE CONFIRMING EINSTEIN'S THEORY, AS WELL AS GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT MAJOR ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS.
THE PROBLEM IS ONLY MASSIVE EVENTS SUCH AS
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THE COLLISION BETWEEN TWO BLACK HOLES WOULD CREATE WAVES LARGE ENOUGH TO BE DETECTED.AND EVEN THEN WOULD ONLY CAUSE A DISTORTION.
1% OF THE DIAMETER OF AN ATOM BY THE TIME IT REACHED EARTH, AMAZINGLY GRAVITATIONAL WAVES WERE DETECTED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 2016 IN AN EXPERIMENT CALLED LIGO WHERE THE LASER INTERFEROMETER GRAVITATIONAL WAVE OBSERVATORY GRAVITATIONAL WAVES MIGHT HELP US UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE BIGGEST MYSTERIES OF THE UNIVERSE SUCH AS DARK MATTER AND DARK ENERGY, WHICH MAKE UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE UNIVERSE, BUT HAVE NOT YET BEEN OBSERVED DIRECTLY.
THERE IS STILL MUCH TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT GRAVITY SCIENTISTS HAVE YET TO DEVELOP A THEORY THAT COMBINES OUR UNDERSTANDING OF GRAVITY WITH THE QUANTUM WORLD AT THE VERY SMALLEST SCALE.
BUT THE NEXT TIME YOU LOOK UP AT THE STARS, THINK ABOUT THE INVISIBLE FORCE, ACCELERATING YOUR FEET INTO THE GROUND, THE EARTH AROUND THE SUN AND ALL THE STARS THAT ARE GALAXY AROUND THE SUPER MASSIVE BLACK HOLE AT ITS CORE.
HEY HONEY, CAN YOU SET THE TABLE, DALE NINE 11.
WHERE'S YOUR EMERGENCY? UM, MY HUSBAND HE'S, HE'S LAYING ON THE FLOOR, THE BATHROOM.
AND COULD, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO CPR? I MEAN, I LEARNED IT A LONG TIME AGO.
I'M GOING TO STAY ON THE LINE.
I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
WOMEN HERE, LET'S PUT THEM ON MONITOR.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN.
WE CONTINUE TO TAKE THE THREAT OF COVID-19 SERIOUSLY, AND FOR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM GOVERNOR HENRY MCMASTER'S OFFICE, WE'RE REQUIRING OFFICERS TO WEAR FACE COVERINGS TO HELP KEEP US SAFE AND VIRUS FREE DOING THE SAME FOR YOU.
I'M WEARING A MASK TO KEEP YOU SAFE.
WHEN I WEAR A MASK, I'M PROTECTING YOU.
I WANT YOU TO WEAR A MASK TO PROTECT ME.
I WEAR MY MASK TO MAKE YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AND TO KEEP YOU SAFE, AS WELL AS MYSELF, I'M WEARING MY MASK FOR YOUR HEALTH.
SO PLEASE WEAR YOURS ZOMBIE UP AND I ARE WEARING A MASK.
WE'RE WEARING OURS TO PROTECT YOU.