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COUNTY[1:00pm Call to Order]
COMMITTEE MEETING IS BEING OPEN.IT'S ONE O'CLOCK AND THE MEDIA HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
WE'LL BEGIN BY A AGENDA ITEM, A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH THE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE AREN'T ANY PUBLIC.
[Approval of Agenda]
A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, BUT WE CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.WE APPROVE TODAY'S AGENDA THE SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2020 AGENDA.
NOW, TRISHA SECOND THAT WE APPROVED THE AGENDA AND I GUESS WILL'S NOT ON, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE TO VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
THREE, THREE, ZERO ONE, I GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING WELL.
[Approval of the September 14, 2020 Committee Meeting Minutes]
THE MEETING MINUTES.HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND WE CAN HAVE A MOTION ON, ON THAT.
DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT? I CAN PULL IT UP.
IT'S MOVING PRETTY SLOW AND MAIL.
WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 14, 20, 20 I'LL SECOND.
SECOND THAT WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER A DAY.
WAS IT 20TH TIMBER? 14, 14, 14.
IF I MAY, UM, ROBIN THERE, SHE HAS A MINOR EDIT AND E AT THE END OF ROBOT LINE.
UM, AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE SOME NOTATION IN HERE THAT THE COMMITTEE, UM, AT THE END OF THE MEETING DETERMINED AND, UH, MS. WALTON'S PRESENCE, UM, OR OUR NEED FOR A DISTRICT LIAISON WAS, UM, NOT REQUIRED.
I THINK THAT'S WORTH MENTIONING IN THE MINUTES BECAUSE IT WENT THROUGH CERTAINLY EXPLAINED, UM, ALICE HAS ABSENCE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETINGS.
SO LIKE, I, I AMENDED THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT ADDITION.
WITH THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS AND THEN AS IS CORRECTION SINGLE.
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HAVE ALL IN FAVOR.SO I'M GOING TO PUT, UM, TRISHA SET.
[Discussion of Board’s Self Evaluation Instruments]
WE GO TO SERIOUS THING.FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAD NINE, I MUST SHOWS NINE OR EIGHT, EIGHT.
I BELIEVE RESPONDEES TO THE ASSIGNMENT THAT WE ATTACHED TO EVERY BOARD, EACH BOARD MEMBER WRITING OUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS THE EFFECTIVE FOOD AND EFFECTIVE BOOM.
EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THOSE RESPONSES.
UM, MEL, I THINK THAT THERE WERE SOME COMMON THEMES THAT RAN THROUGHOUT SEVERAL DAYS A STATEMENT.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THERE WERE SOME VARIED RESPONSES AS WELL.
SO I, I THOUGHT I FELT IT WAS, UH, UM, FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE OF, UM, WHAT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS OF A HIGHLY EFFECTIVE.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE COMMON THEMES THAT YOU HAVE? WELL, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AND I WROTE DOWN SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES.
I'M RAISING MY HAND HERE AT, SHOULD I JUST NOT BOTHER? OH YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.
I WON'T GET TO PAIN IN THE NECK TO RAISE THAT LITTLE ELECTRONIC YET.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO IN OTHERS, JUST JUMP IN.
IT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY THE WAY WE DO OUR ACADEMIC.
MAYBE IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THESE HANDS, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, BUT I GUESS I HAVE TO, UM, I CAN RAISE MY HEAD AND THAT'S FINE TOO.
THERE WERE COMMON THEMES AND I, I JUST SUMMARIZED WHAT THEY WERE.
UM, AND IF THEY WERE NOT REPEATED, I NOTATED THEM SEPARATELY.
THE FIRST ONE I WENT BACKWARDS ON THE LIST.
HIGHLY, HIGHLY EFFECTIVE BOARD USES DATA TO FORM DECISIONS.
THERE WAS A RECURRING THEME OF THE BOARD FOLLOWING ITS GOALS AND VISION.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND BULLET POINT THAT I NOTATED THAT WAS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
UM, THIS WAS AN INTERESTING ONE PERCEPTION OF TAXPAYERS.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS WORTH NOTING SEPARATELY.
UM, ANOTHER BULLET POINT WAS STRATEGIC PLANNING.
UM, ANOTHER UNIQUE POINT SUBMITTED WAS ALL VOICES ARE EQUAL ON AN ELECTED BOARD.
UM, AND LOOK, THE LAST ONE THAT WAS ALSO A RECURRING THEME WAS STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT THROUGH STEWARDSHIP AND FIDUCIARY DUTY.
SO THOSE ARE WHAT I KNOW NOTED AS EITHER CARING AND OR UNIQUE AND WORTH NOTING, UM, POINTS.
I JUST, I JUST WROTE DOWN BASICALLY SOME OF THE TOPICAL, UH, REPEATS LIKE GOALS, POLICIES, STATUTES, STATE STATUTES THAT SHOULD STAY RESULTS ON ACHIEVEMENT PLANNING.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF PULLED OUT FOR EACH ONE THAT WAS MOST IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES, BUT, UH, TRISHA IS GO ACT ON THEM.
A LOT OF VARYING DEGREES THERE.
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DID ANYONE DO ANY OUTSIDE RESEARCH TO FIND OUT WHAT THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED DEFINITION OR LET'S SAY WHAT THE DO IS SAY ABOUT EFFECTIVE BOARDS? UM, MALE.I'M SO BAD AT RAISING MY HAND.
UM, MALE, I, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF READING ON IT AND, UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WHAT CAME OUT IN OUR, UM, INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS RESPONSES BRIEF A LOT OF READING.
SO I, I KIND OF FELT THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS ALSO HAD DONE SOME READING BEFORE SUBMITTING THEIR RESPONSES.
UM, I SAW EFFECTIVE BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS A VISION EFFECTIVE BOARDS, USE DATA, UM, AFFECT BOARDS ARE AWARE OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.
UM, UH, UM, AN EFFECTIVE BOARD LISTENS TO ITS, UM, SUPERINTENDENT TEACHER.
SO, UH, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE COMMON THINGS THAT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH DIFFERENT ARTICLES ABOUT AN EFFECTIVE SCHOOL BOARD, UM, THAT THAT'S WHAT I CAME UP WITH.
AND AGAIN, REFLECTED IN THESE ONE SET STATEMENTS.
SO I, EVERYTHING TRISHA SAID, UM, AND THEN JUST SIMPLY TO ADD THAT BECAUSE WE ARE AN ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD AND WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT MUCH AT OUR LAST MEETING AT THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ADDS AN ELEMENT OF, UM, RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE OWNERS.
AND, UM, SO I WOULD JUST ADD THAT TO EVERYTHING TRISHA SAID, OKAY.
I DID SOME LOOKING AROUND ALSO AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW WAS VERY RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU'VE SAID ALREADY, BUT NO COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UH, RENDITION OF WHAT, WHAT EFFECTIVE BOARDS LOOK LIKE.
AND A LOT OF THE REST IT TO US, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, COMPOSITION WHO'S ON THE BOARD, WHICH GOES WITH IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PROCESS AND TASK, WHICH IS REALLY IS SOUNDING THEME OF GOALS.
SO, UH, UH, AND WE ALWAYS TALKING PROCESS, EVERY MEETING, ONE OF US MENTIONED, WHAT IS THE PROCESS, OR EVEN IT'S ON OUR MIND, WHAT, AND THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS A BOARD, WE PROBABLY DO WANNA EVALUATE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT WAYS TO EVALUATE WHAT WE HAVE WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THOSE, UH, EVALUATION TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD TODAY.
AND, UH, I, UM, CAME UP WITH MY OWN, THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF, WELL, THOSE SAME THEMES, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT STRUCTURE? SO I WERE QUESTIONING, WE SHOULD LOOK AT MY MIND, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE 80 QUESTIONS AND SEE WHICH ONE FITS ON THE STRUCTURE AND WHICH ONE WE WOULD LIKE, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.
WE SHOULDN'T BE LIKE TO PULL OUT AND SAY, THIS IS A STRUCTURE QUESTION, OR THIS IS A LEADERSHIP QUESTION.
UM, UH, THIS IS A GOVERNANCE QUESTION AND PICK THE ONES WE LIKE MOST BECAUSE, OR WE WRITE THEM THE WAY WE LIKED THEM.
AND LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT IN TERMS OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
UH, THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS OR PROCESS, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, GO AHEAD, JOANNE.
SO NOW THAT THE COMMITTEE AGREED TO USE THE THREE DOCUMENTS, UM,
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AND I GUESS WE OUGHT TO ORDER THEM FIRST, BEFORE WE BEGIN EDITING, I WOULD ASSUME, AND PERHAPS, MAYBE NUMBER THE PAGES CAN TAKE YOU ASLEEP FROM START TO FINISH FOR FUTURE EDITING MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER, BUT IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THE THREE DOCUMENTS, EACH OF THEM HAVE A VERY SEPARATE FOCUS.UM, THIS FIRST ONE, THE BOARD MONITORING BOARD MEETING MONITORING, IT'S A SINGLE PAGE DOCUMENT.
IT REALLY SEEMS FOCUSED ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD MEETING AND HOW THE BOARD MEETING GOES.
THE SECOND ONE, UM, ASSESSMENT FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER IS JUST AN EVALUATION OF YOU AND YOUR PERSONAL PERFORMANCE TO THE EXCLUSION OF THE PAROLE BOARD.
AND THEN FINALLY YOU HAVE THE ONE WHICH REALLY FOCUSES ON THE FULL BOARD'S PERFORMANCE OVERALL IN MANY AREAS, NOT JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF A MEETING.
SO, UM, I MOVE, I'LL JUST DO THIS TO A SERIES OF MOTIONS THIS WAY WE CAN, UM, NAIL DOWN, UH, THE, THE MECHANICS OF HOW WE PUT THIS DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
I MOVED THAT WE ORDERED THE THREE DOCUMENTS AS FOLLOWS.
ARE YOU WITH ME, ROBIN? I ORDERED THE THREE DOCUMENTS AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, BOARD MEETING MONITORING DOCUMENT.
THAT'S THAT SINGLE PAGER NUMBER TWO ASSESSMENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND NUMBER THREE.
AND THAT'S THE LAST DOCUMENT? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S TITLED.
I THINK IT'S CALLED, UH, SELF EVALUATIONS.
I HAVE SAMPLE OF SCHOOL BOARDS.
LET ME ADD WITH PAGES NUMBERED, START TO FINISH.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE THOSE DOCUMENTS AND CHANGE THE NUMBERING FROM START TO FINISH.
IT'LL JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR US AS WE EDIT IN SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS THAT WE ORDERED CAN, LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS.
I MOVED THAT WE ORDERED THE THREE DOCUMENTS AS FOLLOWS BOARD MEETING MONITORING, DOCUMENT ONE, TWO ASSESSMENT FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, THREE SAMPLE OF BOARD EVALUATION WITH PAGES AND NUMBERS START TO FINISH.
I'LL ADD TO JOANNE, ARE YOU SAYING WE START OFF, FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER TWO, I THINK HAVE TWO PAGES, RIGHT? AND THREE, HOW MORE THAN, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SEVEN PAGES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO NOW WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING IS, SO PAGE ONE OF THIS DOCUMENT IS THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS BOARD MEETING MONITORING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO START, THAT'LL BE NUMBER ONE.
SO PAGE TWO WILL BE THE FOLLOWING PAGE.
IT'LL BE ONE BIG DOCUMENT AND IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT, BUT WE'RE ONLY EVALUATING OURSELVES ONCE A YEAR.
SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY PUT THE EFFORT IN, BUT GOING TO BE NUMBERED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LAST PAGE, HOWEVER MANY PAGES THERE ARE AS IF IT WERE ONE DOCUMENT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMBINING THEM INTO ONE MAKES SENSE.
IT WOULD JUST BE ONE DOCUMENT TOO.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IT'S ONE WHOLE DOCUMENT, BUT EACH SECTION COULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SUBTITLE PAGES.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE, BUT THE DOCUMENT AS A WHOLE IS NUMBERED ONE THROUGH WHATEVER.
WE'RE NOT STOPPING TO READ THE NUMBER.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS THE MONITORING PART.
SO WHEN WE GO THIS DOCUMENT, THIS BECOMES PAGE, PAGE AND SO FORTH ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
SO THAT WILL GO AND THEN WE WOULD FOLLOW WHATEVER THIS LAST PAGE NUMBER IS.
THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE SAMPLE AND THIS PAGE STARTS THE NEXT PAGE OF IT FOLLOWS THE LAST PAGE OF THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT.
SO AS YOU'RE SAYING, WE'RE JUST MAKING IT ONE, ONE DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
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CONTIGUOUSLY, NUMBERING FROM ONE ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE PACKET.I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THAT WAY.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, PAGE A PAGE TWO IS ASSESSMENT FOR SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, WHEREAS THAT THE DISTRICT ON IT, RIGHT JOHN YOU'RE WITH US.
I DON'T SEE IT MAILED THIS PAGE TOO.
PAGE ONE ON DOCUMENT TWO IS PAGE TWO AND PAGE TWO ON DOCUMENT TWO IT'S PAGE THREE FIRST.
THEY THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, BUT ANYWAY.
NOW WE'VE GOT THE RESOURCE OR POTTERY RESOURCE.
ANYWAY, WE AGREED THAT WE COULD LOOK ELSEWHERE TOO.
YOUR MOTION LAST MEETING WAS MOTION AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, UM, THE COMMITTEE BEGAN WITH THE SAMPLE DOCUMENTS INCLUDED IN FOUR DOTS AS A FOUNDATION, AS OUR ANNUAL EVALUATION INSTRUMENT, WHICH MEANS WE'RE STARTING WITH THIS, BUT WE CAN INTERJECT VERBIAGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ESTABLISHED AT OUR LAST MEETING.
EARL GUYS WERE ASKED THE QUESTION.
I THINK I SAW ON ONE OF YOUR DOCUMENTARY TALKING ABOUT, UM, NO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT ANYBODY CAN SPEAK ON THAT.
UM, MALE, JUST TO PROCESS QUESTION, AND IT'S UP TO YOU CAUSE YOU'RE OFFICIATING HERE.
UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO PAGE BY PAGE ITEM BY ITEM TILL WE REACHED THE END? HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU HOW I WOULD WANT TO PROCEED.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DECIDE WHERE WE GOING TO USE EACH OF THESE COMPONENTS.
AND I'LL FOR EXAMPLE, I WANT TO DECIDE WHETHER, WELL, I'M KIND OF LIKE, WHAT DO WE WANT IN THE ASSESSMENT? YOU KNOW, ALL WE GOING TO HAVE BOARD INDIVIDUALLY EVALUATING THEMSELVES.
THEN DOCUMENT TO A DOCUMENT TO IT CAUSE LESS RELEVANT.
BUT THE ANSWER IS NO THEN DOCUMENT TOO.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE EVALUATION GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT'S A LOT OF TIME ON WHICH OF THOSE THINGS I WANT IN IT.
NOW WITH THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR THAT WERE, UM, HAVING FOUNDED ON IT, IT INCLUDES THE SELF INDIVIDUAL SELF-ASSESSMENT AS PART AS THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT, I WOULD VOTE NO ON THE MOTION AND MAKE IT, UM, IT INCLUDES IT, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL SELF ASSESSMENT BASED ON THE MOTION.
I JUST USE THAT AS EXAMPLE, JOANNE.
THAT'S POSSIBLE PART OF OUR RESOURCE, BUT I JUST USED THAT EXAMPLE IS WHAT DO WE WANT THAT FINAL ASSESSMENT TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ASSESSING? I WOULD SAY, WHAT, WHAT PART DO WE WANT PROCESS IN IT? THEN EVERY PROCESS QUESTION THAT COMES UP IN OUR READING OF THOSE THREE DOCUMENTS BECOMES VERY IRRELEVANT.
RIGHT? IF WE ADOPT WANTED IT IN THERE, THEN THOSE QUESTIONS ARE NOT RELEVANT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT, WHAT IS GONNA LOOK, I WROTE SOME STUFF DOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS THE SCOPE? YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ASKED JOANNE.
SO I, I PERSONALLY, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO VOTE YES.
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ON THIS MOTION SIMPLY BECAUSE I DO LIKE THE ADDITION OF ALL THREE OF THESE, UM, THE FOCUS ON THE BOARD MEETINGS.I MEAN, THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS IN PUBLIC.
I LIKE THAT IT'S AS THE FIRST, IF I MAY EMAIL, MAY I FINISH? UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A, UH, INDIVIDUAL ASSESSING THEMSELVES.
I THINK THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE PEOPLE YOU ANSWER TO, HOW DO I THINK I DID? WHAT'S MY VIEW OF HOW I REPRESENTED DISTRICT IN BEVIN VERSUS MAYBE WHAT THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION IS.
I, I LIKE THAT AS A SEPARATE, UM, AND DETAILED COMPONENT OF THE PROCESS.
AND THEN FINALLY, AND OF COURSE THE BIGGEST PORTION IS THE BOARD AS A BODY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE FUNCTION.
UM, SO I MEAN, I'M GOING TO VOTE YES.
ON THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD SAY IF ANY, ONE OF THESE THREE YOU DISAGREE WITH, I WOULD VOTE NO.
OR AMEND THE MOTION AND UM, YOU KNOW, GO FROM THERE.
UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS MOTION, IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH ORDERING IT.
AND I THINK THAT WE DISPOSE OF THIS MEAN WE VOTE ON IT.
CAUSE IT'S ONLY SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ORDER THE THREE DOCUMENTS AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, IF WE WANT TO DISCARD CERTAIN, THEN WE DO THAT.
BUT THIS MOTION SAYS WE ORDERED THE THREE DOCUMENTS.
I JUMPED THE GUN IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WERE GOING, BUT LET ME CARRY THIS MOTION FIRST.
AND THEN WE GO TO THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, BUT IT JUST, UH, UM, NOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN ORDERING IT.
WE ARE ACTUALLY COMBINING IT INTO ONE DOCUMENT AS EVIDENCED BY THE PAGE NUMBERING.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE THREE SEPARATE THERE'S THEY BECOME ONE AND THEY INCLUDE ALL THREE COMPONENTS.
THAT'S PART OF OUR RESOURCE AS WE GO FORWARD.
NOW, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD ON THE FLOOR, IT'S STILL BASICALLY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR IN THE FINAL PRODUCT? WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD, JOANNE.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IS A SOLID START HERE.
I THINK, UM, I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT AS IT STANDS, REMOVING AND ADDING AS APPROPRIATE.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER MOTIONS WE MADE AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING WAS THAT WE WOULD INTERJECT THE 10 GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF OUR GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AS THEY ARE APPROPRIATE, NOT ACTUALLY TAKING THE TIME AND EFFORT TO GO THROUGH AND, AND INTERJECT WHERE THOSE 10 GUIDING PRINCIPLES ACTUALLY FIT.
UM, AND SO THERE'S THAT, I MEAN, I, I LIKE IT AS A BASE.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO, RECRAFT THE ENTIRE THING.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPONENTIALLY ADDING ON A NUMBER OF MEETINGS UNTIL WE COMPLETE OUR CAMP.
IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK WE AGREED TO INTERJECT ALL 10 OF THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
WE AGREED TO DO SOME OF THE GOVERNANCE PRINCIPLES AND A RANDOM STORE ABOUT, UH, EVEN IF YOU DO AGREE ON THAT, THEY ALL LINE UP ON SOME PART OF A BYLAW PROCESS, EITHER STRUCTURE OR PROCESS OR GOVERNANCE OR RESULTS OR SOMETHING.
SO EVERYTHING WE DO DOESN'T FIT SOMEWHERE UNDERNEATH THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
UM, HERE'S THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I KNEW THAT THAT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE BOARD'S ADOPTED ADOPTED GOVERNANCE MODEL BE INJECTED APPROPRIATELY THROUGHOUT THE EVALUATION.
UM, IT SHOULD SAY INSTRUMENT, BUT IT SAYS INSTRUCTION.
UM, ANOTHER EDIT, UM, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT ONE EARLIER.
I APOLOGIZE SO WE CAN INTERJECT THEM.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THOSE SPOTS NOW, LIKE I'VE ALREADY DELINEATED, WHICH NUMBERS ON THIS EVALUATION SHEET, YOU WOULD PUT PRINCIPAL ONE OR PRINCIPAL TWO AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, BUT THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING WITH BEING THAT YOU WOULD INJECT INTERJECT THEM, OR JUST NOTE THEM PHYSICALLY.
THE REASON THAT MOTION WAS MADE, BECAUSE WE WERE DISCUSSING CATEGORIES, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TWO
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SECTIONS CENTRALIZING THOSE PARTICULARS AND WE DECIDED THAT WE WILL ENDED UP DISPERSE THEM INSTEAD OF SEXUALIZING THEM.ALL I'M SAYING IS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL 10 OF THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTELY.
LIKE YOU MAY HAVE THE PRINCIPLES AS A SUBHEADING BECAUSE WHAT I NOTICED CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF QUESTIONING TO ROUTE THE PRINCIPAL MIGHT ACCOMPANY THE SUBHEADING BECAUSE IT'S ONE IN THE SAME.
SO, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THIS, THAT WILL BE AN EFFECTIVE MEASURE FOR NEW BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE LEARNING HOW THE GOVERNANCE MODEL OPERATES.
I THINK THERE'S JUST THAT CONSTANT REMINDER OF THE VERBIAGE AND THE GUIDELINES WITH THAT WILL CERTAINLY HELP THEIR TRANSITION.
UM, I NEVER HAD THAT SORT OF GUIDANCE WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPRECIATED.
I DON'T WANT TO HAMMER DOWN FURTHER.
I JUST WANT TO, OUR GOAL IS ADJUSTING ASSESSMENT REALLY TO MAKE OUR BOARD HIGH PERFORMING AND GOVERNANCE.
OBVIOUSLY OUR GOVERNANCE MODEL IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THAT PERFORMANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT A HIGH PERFORMING A BOARD WILL PERFORM ON THAT ANY GOVERNANCE MODEL.
SO THAT'S THE PACK I THINK WE NEED TO USE.
AND COMING UP WITH THE STRATEGY IS WAR ASSESSMENT THAT THIS, THIS, THIS ASSESSMENT WAS STAND UP, EVEN IF WE SENT IT TO ORANGE COUNTY OR LEXINGTON OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO WHAT YOU SUGGEST TO JOANNE START WITH NUMBER ONE AND SELECT A YES OR NO IN TERMS OF, IS IT GOING TO BE IN THE DOCUMENT LOG IN THAT SAYS SPEND OR NOT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER THAT WE SELECT THEM, BUT FACT THAT WE LIKED THEM AND THEY OUGHT TO BE THERE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MY IDEA.
YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU CAN REWORD ITEMS TO THAT THEY FIT MORE APPROPRIATELY OR YOU CAN REMOVE OR ADD, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST ONE AVENUE YOU DECIDE YOU'RE, YOU'RE RUNNING THE SHOW HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VISION BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SMELL LIKE YOU HAVE A, UM, LIKE YOU WANT TO SCOPE SOMETHING YOU MAKE.
I DON'T MEAN LIKE THAT SCOPE NOW.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT ASSESSMENT, WE CAN ANALYZE THAT ASSESSMENT TO THE POINT WHERE WHOA, WE NEED TO PROVE IN THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF SPORTSMANSHIP, ESPECIALLY YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT MEL, MEL, DID YOU JUST CALL YOU JUST CALLED MY NAME, RIGHT? YES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOK AT DOCUMENT NUMBER ONE, PAGE ONE, RIGHT.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT PAGE ONE.
WHEN WE, WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE QUESTIONS AND I HEAR WHAT YOU AND JOANNE ARE SAYING, I THINK PROCESS, OKAY.
ARE THESE QUESTIONS HAVING TO DO WITH PROCESS PROCESS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, MEL, WHEN YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH.
AND, UM, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T REMEMBER IT BUBBLING UP AS AN EFFECTIVE BOARD, UM, STATEMENT FROM ANY BOARD MEMBER, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO BACK WITH, WITH THAT THOUGHT IN MIND.
BUT, BUT WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IS, OKAY, SO IS THAT THE UMBRELLA IS PROCESS AND THEREFORE THESE, THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO GUIDE US TO ASSESS HOW WELL WE DO THE PROCESS OF WHATEVER IT IS YES.
THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO RESOUND A LITTLE MORE TO IT.
WE GET TO THOSE OTHER QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT WILL BE A PROCESS ITEM MORE SO THAN, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE OR GOAL.
IT WILL BE A PROCESS LIKE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO, SO MEL, WERE YOU THINKING THAT SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ANSWERS
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AND SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF ANY OF THE, OR, OR THE ANT THE UNIQUE THEMES, WERE THEY GOING TO BE, UM, OUR UMBRELLA ITEMS UNDER WHICH I WAS THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES.I WAS THINKING A BOARD GOALS WOULD BE A CATEGORY.
CAUSE EVERYBODY MENTIONED GOALS QUITE A BIT, UH, UH, STATUTES, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS REALLY ADHERENCE TO THE, TO THE LAW AND FOLLOWING ALONG THE LEGAL RAMIFICATION OF POLICIES, BUT YEAH.
STRUCTURE WAS INDIRECTLY RELATED TO IT AND THOSE COMMENTS AND TERMS OF HOW WE GET IT DONE.
AND THAT, THAT ALSO HAVE A BEARING ON THE GOVERNANCE BECAUSE GOVERNANCE IS BASICALLY IN MY MIND STRUCTURE.
AND I'M THINKING WE CAN DO DO IT, THIS WAVE, PICK THE ONES WE LIKE OR SAY WE WANT THOSE WITH.
AND, AND THEN WEAVE THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THAT WE'VE COVERED A VARIETY OF THE DETAILS OF EFFECTIVE BOARD, MY SHIP.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT, I WOULDN'T WANT THEM WANT TO SEE 20 QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO, WELL, TIM TWO BOARD MEETINGS AND FOR RELATIVE TO OTHER THINGS, BOARD, SUPERINTENDENT, RELATIONSHIP, BOARD, ADHERENCE, TO POLICIES, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY A SENSE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT SLANTED SO DRAMATICALLY UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FOCUSED ON ONE OR TWO PARTICULAR THINGS.
IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT JUST BE BOARD RELATIONSHIP.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT ASSESSMENT AND SEE A TOTALITY OF THE, OF THE BULLETS ACTIONS AND WHERE WE WERE WEAK AT.
SO, SO GIVEN THAT AND USING JOANNE'S IDEA, WOULD WE GO THROUGH QUESTION NUMBER ONE AND WE'RE KIND OF STARTING A SORTING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE LEGITIMACY OF QUESTION NUMBER ONE AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD FIT UNDERNEATH, AND THEN THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF THAT WHOLE STORY.
BILL, BILL, BILL SAW THAT, BUT JOEL ANSWERED YESTERDAY AND WE GO THROUGH AND WE SAW THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO SORTA MINDFUL THAT WE MAY HAVE TO RESORT.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I USE THE WORD STORY.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS MAYBE I DIDN'T USE CHOOSE THE RIGHT WORDS CAREFULLY.
UM, GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT AS IT STANDS.
HE, WHAT IS RELEVANT REWORD AS APPROPRIATE AND REMOVE WHAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO FOLLOW YOUR LINE OF THINKING.
NOW, WHEN THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN FULLY EDITED AND REVISED, WE CAN TAKE MAYBE A SECOND LOOK AT IT AND HACK IT INTO SECTIONS THAT YOU BELIEVE SHOULD BE MAIMED ON THE SAME PAGE.
BUT THAT WOULD COME AT THE END.
AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THIS WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, JOANNE.
IT MEANS LOOKING AT THEM AND DECIDING TO THROW OUT.
UM, I KNEW THAT FOR EACH SECTION OF THE INSTRUMENT BE SCORING PRESENTED ON PAGE TO BE USED CONSISTENTLY 20.
SO WHAT IT IS, IF YOU GO TO PAGE TWO OF OUR NEW DOCUMENT, ROBIN THAT'S YEAH.
IT HAS FINE FOR ALWAYS MOST OF THE TIME, THREE PER ABOUT HALF THE TIME TWO IS FOR ONCE IN A WHILE AND ONE IS WEHRLI OR NEVER.
THAT WOULD DEFINITELY, YOU HAVE THE MOTION FIRST.
I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I GOT THAT RIGHT.
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I MOVED THAT FOR EACH SECTION OF THE INSTRUMENT, THE SCORING AND PAGE TO BE USED CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A SECOND OR NOT ON THAT.
CAN I SECOND IT NOW THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, THAT IS YES.
UM, THE REASON I PROPOSE THIS IS SO THAT IN THE END YOU HAVE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE MUCH LESS SUBJECTIVE THAN WRITTEN, UM, PARAGRAPH FORM RESPONSES.
AND UM, I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME SUBJECTIVITY TO THESE SORTS OF SELF-ASSESSMENT TESTS, BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE A NUMBER AT THE END THAT YOU CAN PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND PRESENT TO OURSELVES.
SO YOUR MOTION WOULD ENTAIL US CHANGING THE FIRST PAGE TO A FIVE TIER THE ANSWER FROM THE PAGES, I GUESS IT'D BE SIX, SEVEN, SIX.
IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE WORDING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE STATE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH THE WORDING.
WELL, MINE WENT THROUGH SEVEN.
WE STILL NEED THE, YEAH, WE STILL, YOU WANT THOSE TO BE ONE TO FIVE RESPONSE? NO.
SO, SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT MIGHT WORK AND HOW YOU MIGHT REWORD IT.
AND RECHANGING FROM YES OR NO TO MALIBU CHOICE, CORRECT? IT IS ALL THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT.
RIGHT NOW THE, MY QUESTION IS ON THE LAST GROUP OF QUESTIONING THE LAST PART OF THE DOCUMENT, WHERE THERE ARE 10 RESPONSES NOW IT'S ALL THROUGHOUT NOW, IT'S EVERY ASPECT AND EVERY OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR SCORING METHOD BEFORE YOU BEGIN, BECAUSE THAT'LL DICTATE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BY DOING IT, WE STILL BE EQUITABLE TO THE TOTALITY.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SECTION THREE OF THIS DOCUMENT DON'T OR POWER SECTION ONE, IF WE THINK SECTION ONE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU COULD DO A SUBTOTAL PER SECTION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL CARRY THE MOTION BY ATTRITION.
AND SO WHY A FIVE POINT SCALE INSTEAD OF USING THE 10 POINT SCALE? UM, THE REASON WHY I SUGGESTED THIS IS BECAUSE IT, THESE THREE DOCUMENTS HAVE THREE VARYING WAYS OF MEASURING.
I THINK YOU NEED ONE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ONE THROUGH FIVE.
ANOTHER MOTION TO DO A ONE THROUGH 10, IS IT AS, OKAY.
UM, I PERSONALLY JUST LIKE A ONE THROUGH FIVE OPTION BECAUSE IT NOW IS IT JUST A BIT, UM, UH, BUT IT, IT'S NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO IF, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A ONE THROUGH 10, I'LL GO WITH THAT TOO.
UM, I JUST THOUGHT WE MIGHT GET STARTED ON THE SCORING SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE, UM, MOVE ON TO THE DOCUMENT ITSELF RIGHT NOW.
JOANNE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO, TO ESTABLISH THAT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, WANTING TO KNOW YOUR OPINION ON WHY YOU CHOSE THE FIVE POINT SCALE VERSUS THE 10 POINT SCALE.
SO NOW, UM, IS THERE ANY MATHEMATICAL ADVANTAGE TO USING THE 10 POINT SCALE VERSUS THE FIVE? I THINK THIS MATTERS, ALL IT KIND OF QUESTIONING SOME OF THE QUESTIONING WON'T LEND ITSELF TO THAT KIND OF SPREAD OUT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK FIVE IS, IS, IS APPROPRIATE.
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WOULD MEAN THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BE A BIT MORE PRECISE THAN THOSE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE 10 POSSIBLE ANSWERS.AND YOU COULD SCRATCH THE, THE FIRST DOCUMENT TO, UH, BEYOND A YES.
OR ONE TO ONE TO FIVE, WE'LL TAKE THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A DECENT TEMPLATE.
I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, OH, I DO TOO.
I WAS JUST, UH, JUST SOME OPINIONS AS TO WHY THE FIVE VERSUS THE 10, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
START WITH NUMBER ONE, ANYBODY I'M GOING TO HAVE A, PROBABLY A COMMON THEME THROUGHOUT WHEN WE DO THIS, UM, JOANNE IS I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME TROUBLE WITH SOME OF THE, UM, UH, TERMS THAT ARE NOT REALLY SPECIFIC.
SO WAS THE AGENDA THE RIGHT LENGTH? WHO'S TO SAY, WHAT IS THE RIGHT LENGTH? SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST I'M SAYING THAT AHEAD OF TIME, I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME TROUBLE WITH SOME OF THOSE SUBJECTIVE WORDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SOMETHING WAS THE AGENDA, UH, PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON RESULTS IN TERMS OF STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, YOU KNOW, OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD WAS GOING WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH SOME OF THESE VERY, VERY SUBJECTIVE TERMS, MAIL PROCESS QUESTION.
UM, I KNOW WE CAN CRANK OUT EMOTION FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, UM, RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY AND GO FROM THERE.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD WAY TO PROCEED? NOW WE CAN MAKE PRETTY QUICK WORK OF THIS.
UM, OTHERWISE WHOSE OPINION DO YOU, DO YOU CHOOSE? YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M OUT THERE.
WE'LL DO IT AT TEST, BUT IT'LL BE REAL.
I KNEW, UM, THAT THIS SECTION WE'RE WORKING ON TITLED BOARD MEETINGS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT ADJUSTMENT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I SECOND.
UM, OKAY, SO NUMBER ONE, WHAT WOULD YOU MOVE? AND NUMBER ONE, YOU SAID MOST OF THEM.
UM, I WOULD SAY BOARD AGENDAS, UM, EMPHASIZE PRIMARILY ISSUES RELATED TO RESULTS IN TERMS OF STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A SEPARATE MOTION, HOW THE MADE THAT MOTION, BUT IT CERTAINLY, BUT ANSWER TRISH'S CALL ONLY EMOTION I HAD ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR EACH ONE? JOANNE? NOT NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, THEY'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
YOU JUST SUGGESTED WE DON'T NEED TO MOVE THAT WE NEED TO DO IS AGREE ON IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN MOVE EACH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
SO LET ME TELL YOU WHY I SAY MOTIONS CAN BE VERY EFFICIENT.
WE HAVE AN EVEN NUMBERED COMMITTEE THAT CAN GET TRICKY.
DO WE MOVE WITH THE WORDING OF SOMETHING? DO WE KNOW IF MOST OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF PATRICIA, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF I DIDN'T AGREE WITH TRISHA, I HAPPENED TO, UM, BUT WHAT IF I SAID, NO, WE GOT TO HAVE MEETING LENGTH IN THERE AND IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD ALIGN WITH WHAT IT SAYS ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE GUIDELINES FOR THE END OF THE MEETING ON THE AGENDA.
SO I THINK I LIKE THE MOTION IN THIS CASE BECAUSE WE ARE IN EVEN NUMBERED COMMITTEE AND WE WON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THE WILL OF THAT COMMITTEE IS WHEN EACH OF THESE ITEMS, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE MYSELF, BUT THE WAY WE CAN, WE CAN DO THE MOTIONS IF YOU LIKE, BUT A DISCUSSION HANDLE, THE DISCUSSION GOES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THE MOTION IS GOING TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR THE MOST PART, IT WILL, BUT WE'LL HAVE A RECORD OF EXACTLY WHAT WAS CHANGED AND WHAT WAS NOT CHANGED.
IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY WHEN YOU'RE MAKING ALL THESE
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REVISIONS.I MEAN, ROBIN IS EXCELLENT AT KEEPING UP, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE AND WHAT AYE.
WE CAN DO IT QUICKLY WITHOUT A LOT OF DISCUSSION WE MIGHT GET THROUGH WITH THIS, BUT THEN SOME KIND OF REASONABLE TIME, BUT LET'S LOOK, YOU ALREADY MADE A SUGGESTION FOR NUMBER ONE'S EMOTION OR WAS THAT JUST OFF THE CUFF? NUMBER ONE? NO, NO, I DID NOT.
THE DIMENSION I MADE WAS, UM, THAT THE FIRST SECTION BE TITLED BOARD MEETINGS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF OTHER STUFF UNTIL WE WERE SURE WE WANTED TO OPERATE THIS WAY.
SO I HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN DRAWING.
IS THAT A REAL MOTION OR DO WE NEED TO SAY YEAH.
UM, IT SAYS I MOVED THAT THIS SECTION BE TITLED THAT WE'RE WORKING ON BOARD MEETINGS, CORRECT.
ROBIN THAT'S ALL, GOD ASKS A QUESTION WHEN YOU SAY, I MEAN, WHEN YOU SAY THIS SECTION, THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALREADY.
NOW, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE FINAL DOCUMENT HAVE THIS AS A SECTION TO GRADED OR YEAH, TWO SECTION IT'S A SECTION AND IT WANTED ON ITS OWN SECTION BECAUSE IT'S HOW WE DO OUR WORK IN PUBLIC BOARD MEETINGS, HOW WE CONDUCT OURSELVES.
BUT I'M SUGGESTING FOR EVALUATION TOO.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THOUGH, 10, WHATEVER, QUITE NUMBER OF BOARD MEETING QUESTIONS, THIS BURST THROUGHOUT THE EVALUATION, NOT ONE SECTION UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT THIS PAGE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO A BOARD MEETING VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER, BUT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
THIS WAS REALLY MEANT TO BE LIKE A PRACTICE MOTION TO SHOW HOW EFFICIENTLY IT COULD THOUGH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE SEE WHEN WE GET TO THAT ASSESSMENT, PEOPLE LOOK AT THAT ASSESSMENT AND PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH IT, SELF ASSESSING, THEY MAY FOCUS ON SOME OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS OR POSITIVE THINGS AT A HIGHER LIGHT WHEN IT'S HIGHLIGHTED FOR THEM ALREADY, AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF HITTING THE QUESTION, OH, THERE'S A BOARD MEETING QUESTION.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUICKLY.
AND HONESTLY, AS OPPOSED TO, WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON HERE'S ANOTHER BOARD MEETING QUESTION AND I DIDN'T LIKE ANYTHING THAT GOES ON AND BOUGHT ME.
SO THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST WE DISPERSE THEM THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A SECTION ON EACH LESS MY MIND.
I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING ALL RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T WANT, MIGHT BE SIMPLER AT THIS POINT IS I WILL GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND THAT LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ACTUAL QUESTIONS.
WE AGREED TO GRAB HER, WITHDRAW THE MOTION TRICIA.
NOW WHERE DO WE GO GET THEM THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TODAY? ARE WE GOING TO BRING IT BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND IN TERMS OF, IN THE MEASURE INDIVIDUAL MEASURING STICKS AND THEN SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO DO A FEW TOGETHER AND THEN, UM, HAVE HOMEWORK WHERE WE COME BACK, SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE DO ONE TOGETHER, PAGE ONE, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK.
OUR HOMEWORK WOULD BE, DO COMPLETE PAGES TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, UH, FOR NEXT MEETING.
JUST BECAUSE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IF WE JUST GO OFF AND DO IT OUR OWN WAY, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND MAYBE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS OF IT BEING DONE.
SO, UM, SO IF WE WERE TO FINISH PAGE ONE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE THE WAY SOME OF THE WORDING COULD BE CHANGED, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD CONTENT IN THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND IF WE COULD GET THROUGH EIGHT OF THOSE TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE, LIKE NUMBER ONE,
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I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST AGENDAS FOCUS PRIMARILY ON RESULTS.AND PLEASE NOTE THAT RESULTS ARE IT'S CAPITALIZED.
IT'S I TELL US EYES, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF A SECTION OF OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICY MANUAL, WHERE THERE ARE ACTUAL RESULTS.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COVER AND TAKE AWAY THE SUBJECT, THE RIGHT LENGTH.
UM, SO DEBORD AGENDA IS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON RESULTS.
ARE YOU GOING TO FINISH IT WITH THE STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT THING OR NO? WELL, YOU KNOW, MEL, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UNDER RESULTS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, OH DARN I PROBABLY SHOULD I, I SHOULD PULL THAT OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT D DAVID IS ON THE LINE AND HE WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE.
COULD I ASK DAVID A QUESTION? YEAH.
IF THEY WOULD WANT TO RESPOND, DAVID, IS THE RESULTS SECTION, JUST ALL DEALING WITH STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT OR IS THERE ANY, UM, UM, UH, FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, BUDGETING THINGS IN THAT RESULTS? YES.
IT'S THERE'S STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, THERE'S FINANCE, THERE'S RECRUITING AND RETAINING TEACHERS.
IT ALIGNS WITH OUR GOALS, THE RESULTS ONLINE.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
SO THAT'S WHY I KIND OF CUT IT OFF AT THAT MALWARE JUST RESULTS.
AND WHEN I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, THE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS RESPONSES TO WHAT AN EFFECTIVE BOARD DOES, AN EFFECTIVE BOARD FOCUSES ON ITS GOALS AND THE GOALS AND THE RESULTS, THE GOALS ARE REFLECTED IN THE RESULTS.
SO THAT'S HOW MY MIND HAS TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS IS WHERE DO THESE QUESTIONS FIT IN TO WHAT WE'VE SAID AN EFFECTIVE BOARD IS? OKAY.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED AN EXPLANATION WHY YOU WERE LEAVING OUT THE STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, BUT, UH, JOANNE, OH, WHAT'S THE WORDING MALE TRICIA SAID WHAT SHE SUGGEST THE WORD FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON RESULTS.
AGAIN, RESULT IS CAPITALIZED AND ITALICIZED.
SO, BUT INSTEAD OF DO BOARD RESULTS, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO A YES OR NO, JUST STATED AS A FACT WORD AGENDAS, UM, PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON, UH, RESULTS.
WELL, THE ONLY REASON I'M PAYING ATTENTION TO WORDSMITHING IS BECAUSE ROBIN IS HAVING TO RECORD ALL OF THIS.
SO THE FIRST FOR THE FIRST ONE, YOU WOULD SAY BOARD AGENDAS FOCUSED ON RESULTS.
THAT'S WHY PRIMARILY, I THINK PRIMARILY IS AN IMPORTANT WORD IN THERE.
FOCUS, FOCUS PRIMARILY, UNLESS YOU GUYS THINK THAT'S TOO SUBJECTIVE.
DOES IT CHANGE IT? ANY THOUGHT? NO, NO.
JEN DOES FOCUS PRIMARILY ON RESULTS.
THE RESULTS ARE STUDY RESULTS.
COULD WE USE DATA AND DATA? W W WHEN WE TALKING RESULTS NOW I THINK THE RESULTS IN THERE IS, UH, IT'S CAPITALIZED.
SO IT MEANS ALL OF THE, THE COMPONENTS OF GETTING THEIR RESULTS, WHICH I THINK THERE ARE FULL SANCTIONS IN THE EVALUATION OF THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THEIR RESULTS, I BELIEVE.
BUT I MEAN, BUT THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK, BUT, BUT, BUT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE, UH, DATA DRIVEN.
I MEAN, REASONABLE RESULTS IS POSSIBLY DATA, BUT HOW THE DATA IS BEING MORE PACIFIC.
SO, AND I MAY ADD IN DATA THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID MAYBE IN DATA, BUT I KNEW THAT SOMEBODY ELSE, SOMEBODY ELSE DAVID HAS A SANDA DAVID, THANK YOU, MEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD ADD TO THIS OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS OR RESULTS.
UM, BUT YEAH, TO ANSWER WILL'S QUESTION, THE RESULTS ARE DATA.
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BUT OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS, UM, ARE, ARE A DIFFERENT THING, BUT, UM, THE AGENDAS ARE ALSO SUPPOSED TO FOCUS ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT WORK PLAN WHERE YEAH, THERE ARE SET TIMES WHERE THE OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOUR AD OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS, ALL SORT OF CAPITALIZED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SPECIFIC PART OF OUR GOVERNANCE.
ANYONE ELSE? MY COMMENT ON THAT, DAVID WOULD BE, IT'S THE SAME THING.
EVEN THE OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS ARE FOCUSED ON RESULTS.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS FOCUSED ON RESULTS.
THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT ON IT.
I'VE NOBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT THAT I'M OUT OF WATER BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M THINKING NOW, MEL, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF RESULTS WAS LOWERCASED OKAY.
THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, MY CONCERN WITH ADDING AN OPERATIONAL EXPECTATIONS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT THEN MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO SCORE BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, YEAH, WE OFTEN DO RESULTS, BUT WE NEVER GET TO THE OES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND SO HAVING TWO ITEMS IN ONE QUESTION, IT MIGHT BE WORTHY OF, UM, AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
I MEAN, I DISAGREE WITH YOU WITH THE CAPITALIZATION IS, OR WHAT WE REALLY WANT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR RESULTS.
AS DETERMINED THROUGH A STUDENT, A TEAM, EVERYTHING WE DO IS GEARED TOWARDS STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT AND THEREFORE THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE CAPITALIZED BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING A DIRECT RELATION TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC INSTEAD OF SOMETHING GENERAL.
LET'S MAKE ANOTHER MOTION THAT, I MEAN, ANOTHER QUESTION IF YOU THINK WE NEED TO.
UM, WELL, BECAUSE I MIGHT, I WAS JUST THINKING, AND AGAIN, THIS IS CONVERSATION THINKING OUT LOUD, UH, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT SCORE ONE WAY FOR RESULTS AND I MIGHT SCORE ONE WAY FOR THE ACTUAL, UH, FOCUSING ON THE O EASE, UM, OR PES AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THE OES.
SO THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS THING IS REALLY ABOUT THE AGENDA, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK THE GENERAL IDEA IS THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON, ON JOHN DALLIES WORDS, GO THROUGH MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, BOARD ACTION, YOU KNOW, OR, OR THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON, ON WHAT, YOU KNOW.
SO I FIND WITH THAT AND TO PUT RESULTS AND, AND I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS, IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE PUT ALL THESE IN THERE.
CAUSE I, I KNOW HAVING WORKED ON THE POLICY, UM, THE GOVERNANCE MANUAL, I CAN ENVISION WHERE IT WOULD BE.
I MEAN, THOSE COME TO US AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE THEM AND THEY ARE A HARBINGER OR A BAROMETER OF THE SUPERINTENDENTS.
SO DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE WHAT'S THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE GOVERNANCE, THAT'S A BIG EXAMPLE FOR JOANNE TO, UH, POLICIES AND OTHER THINGS ALSO THAT THE, THE AGENDA WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH JUST ONE ALWAYS.
ON THE ROBIN, ON THE END OF THAT, YOU COULD JUST ADD OES.
NOW MEL, NOW THAT AT LEAST WE SEE IT, MEL, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? I'M ASKING WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO, TO THE OLD, BUT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO RESULTS OR WHEN YOU SAY UP, UH, OH, YOU'RE SAYING ALMOST EVERYTHING CATEGORIZE.
I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY CONTRIBUTING MONEY TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THE WORD PRIMARILY WAS IMPORTANT.
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ALL MEMBERS DO THEIR HOMEWORK ARRIVING AT THE MEETING, FULLY PREPARED, READING THE BACKGROUND MATERIALS.AND I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT FAR.
MEMBERS PREPARED OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY.
SO YOU CAN ANSWER ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, RIGHT.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU WHERE I MET.
YOU ASKED TO ASK YOU MY CHARGES, WHERE DID THIS CRUSHING THAT COME FROM? WHERE DID THIS QUESTION DOCUMENT FROM? FROM, FROM YEARS AGO? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT QUESTION.
UM, THAT QUESTION NECESSARILY.
I MEAN, I THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S TO ME, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S A, A, I WON'T SAY A GRAY AREA, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS TO WHEREIN THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A, THAT IS A CONTROL FUNCTION.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS OUR JOB TO CONTROL BOARD MEMBERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ON THIS, ON THE BOARD, WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME THAT WE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME DOING THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT AND, AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING, UH, ON, ON, ON, ON THE BOARD, ON THE BOARD LEVEL, THEN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE INDIVIDUAL.
UH THAT'S THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL QUESTION.
WELL, EVERYTHING HERE IS ABOUT MEETING AND WHAT THE BOARD DOES OVERALL.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE CONCERN ABOUT IT SOMETIMES, AH, INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT'S NOT INDIVIDUAL QUESTION IS, ARE WE PREPARED WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING OR NOT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IF I'M NOT, YOU GET A CHANCE TO ANSWER IT.
BUT THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION WILL BE, HOW DO I, HOW DO I KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU ARE, HOW WOULD I KNOW IF YOU PREPARE, IF I'M NOT WITH YOU EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, 24, SEVEN, I WON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE PAY OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU'RE COMING TO ME AND YOU SEE SOMETHING, YOU MUST SEE SOMETHING THAT OTHER PEOPLE DID NOT SEE OR OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE INFORMATION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED? THAT'S A GENERAL QUESTION.
WELL, IT'S NOT QUITE AS SPECIFIC AS YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT.
YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT MY, MY, MY QUESTION IS, SO, SO WITH THIS QUESTION, EVERY INDIVIDUAL INSTANCE QUESTION ABOUT THEMSELVES, OR A BOARD MEMBER ASKING THIS QUESTION ABOUT OTHER MEMBERS, EVERY INDIVIDUAL WILL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY PERCEIVE THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S MY PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.
WHAT THEY PERCEIVE THE VISUAL IS BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THE TOTAL BOARD.
THE TOTAL BOARD, WHERE ARE WE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM WHERE WE DID WE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND REALLY STUDIED THEM OR NOT OVERALL? NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL.
YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES ME AND SPELLS POSTPONED THINGS BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE WEREN'T PREPARED OVERALL AS A BOARD.
AND GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT HERE.
THE GENERAL COMMENT, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM SOME SPECIFIC, THEY MAY BE ONE OR TWO BOARD MEMBERS THAT'S NEVER PREPARED, BUT WE, IF ANY OF THEM ARE PREPARED, THEN THE BOARD IS FOR BED.
THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET THAT ANYBODY ELSE CAN CHIME IN MALE.
I, I MOSTLY AGREE WITH MR. SMITH.
UM, AS FAR AS WHEN I READ THIS QUESTION, UH, SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, SO, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
SO HOW WOULD YOU PERHAPS CHANGE THIS QUESTION TO, UM, DEMONSTRATE MORE OF YOUR THOUGHT ON THIS? I'M GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM GENERALLY FROM NUMBER ONE BOARD BOARD MEMBERS WERE PREPARING TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD OR BOARD MEMBERS WERE READY TO DEAL WITH THE PROCESS OF WHO IN BUSINESS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T RELATE TO WHETHER YOU STUDIED A DOCUMENT OR NOT.
IT RELATES TO WHETHER YOU ARE READY TO FORWARD.
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A MINUTE DISCUSSION OR NOT.FOR MOST OF THE DISCUSSION MAJORITY OF DISCUSSIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO THAT AS YOU KNOW, AND IT DOES REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PREPAREDNESS IF YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRESENT APPROPRIATELY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT AS AN INDIVIDUAL THING.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, EVALUATING THIS AS A TOTAL BOARD.
I THINK YOUR WORDING TAKES ALL THAT I OUT OF IT, I THINK THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT THE QUESTION IS WRITTEN NOW, AS MR. SMITH WAS SAYING, IS IT SEEMED AWFULLY, UM, JUDGEMENTAL AND, AND SO MEMBERS.
I THINK ALL IS NOT A NICE, NICE WORD TO USE THERE.
LIKE YOU I'LL SAY ALL WHO KNOWS WHERE THE ALL RED OR NOT, BUT GENERALLY ALL WE PREPARE IT.
I PROBABLY DID SOME TAKE IT BACK FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU SIT AND LISTEN TO SIMILAR MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED BY SOME BOARD MEMBERS, YOU CAN TELL IT WHETHER THEY CAME TO BEING PREPARED OR DIED.
THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT OF, I THANK YOU.
AND THIS QUESTION IS TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT EARL.
AND, UH, THE QUESTION IS, UH, WE PREPARED AS A GROUP.
UH, EVERYBODY IS NOT PREPARED FOR EVERY QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I JUST DIDN'T LOOK AT A CERTAIN DETAIL, YOU KNOW, REPORT.
NO, BUT AM I PRAYING FOR THE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF? YES.
OVERALL, UH, AM I PREPARED? YES.
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT FROM BOARD PERSPECTIVE OVERALL, UH, BOARD MEMBERS PREPARE IT.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT QUESTIONS SHOULD READ.
I'M NOT A WORDSMITH AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ENGLISH MAJOR, SO Y'ALL CAN FIGURE IT OUT HOW IT SHOULD BE, BUT IT SHOULD SAY, BUT I KNOW WHAT IT SHOULD SAY IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, DO YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE NUMBER TWO AS IS UNTIL YOU ALL WORDSMITH IT LATER, BOARD MEMBERS WERE PREPARED TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE BOARD.
THAT'S THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT.
NUMBER THREE, THE BOARD CHAIR, DR.
MEETING, EFFECTIVELY SHOWING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN GIVE ME A BETTER SHOWING THAT ONCE THE MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED DISCUSSION WAS LIMITED THROUGH THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT MOTION AND WAS THE ISSUE DISPOSED OF IN AN EFFICIENT BUSINESS, LIKE MANNER, ALL, ALRIGHT, SOMEBODY MAKE THAT MORE CONCISE.
UM, BOARD MEETINGS WERE RUN EFFICIENTLY AND THAT WOULD, UM, ADHERE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, JOANNE WAS RECOMMENDING, MAKE SURE IT'S SO IT CAN BE SCORED.
RIGHT? SO BOARD MEETINGS WERE RUN EFFICIENTLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
CAUSE THAT'S GETTING INTO A BUILDING TEAL AREA THERE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS TOO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO COME UP IN OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT ALL RIGHT.
NEXT ONE SAYS THE BOARD MEMBERS GET TO THE POINT IN THEIR COMMENTS.
USUALLY LET ME BE IN THEIR REMARKS ON TOPIC TWO, A FEW SECONDS.
I KNOW MY GRADE ON THAT ONE ALREADY THAT YOU, BUT YOU JUST GOT YOUR HANDS, YOUR HEAD.
UM, YEAH, NO, I WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, PULLING OUT MY GRAY HAIR BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A TASK.
BUT, UM, I WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD DELETE THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS IS PART OF AN EFFICIENTLY RUN MEETING AND
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT POSSIBLY HAS ZILLION QUESTIONS ON IT.AND SO YOU WANT TO BYPASS THIS ONE? I JUST THINK IT'S ALREADY, UM, COVERED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT AND OFFICIALLY RUN MEANING YEAH.
JOANNE, WILL I REALLY AGREE WITH MRS.
I THINK WE CAN GET INTO ALL THOSE BILLS SPECIFIC.
SO IT BRINGS BACK ONE MEMORY AND WITH YOUR GRADING IS, YOU KNOW, IS KIND OF SLANTED.
THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE FRIENDS FROM MONOPOLIZING, THE MEETING WITH THAT'S THE SAME THING, I SUPPOSE, RIGHT.
WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL AGENDA, ASKING FOR ITEMS THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A VALID QUESTION.
UH, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION BECAUSE TO ME, IF, IF A BOARD MEMBER IS POINTING SOMETHING OUT AND NOT, NOT MORE THAN I'M NOT USE THE WORD, BUT NOT REALIZING, BUT IF THEY HAVE A POINT, THEN I THINK THAT IS, IT IS, IT IS THE PART OF THE BOARD THAT EVERYONE HEAR WHAT THE MEMBER IS SAYING.
AND SO THAT WE CAN SEE IF THERE IS VALIDITY IN IT OR IF THEY NEED TO BE ANYTHING FURTHER IN IT.
SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL, UH, THAT'S MY PERSONAL SPIN ON THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A, UH, A, I THINK THAT'S A, A PORTION OF THE QUESTION ONCE AGAIN.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT US TO FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO TRISHA'S A WELL-MADE STATEMENT THAT IT GOES TO AN EFFICIENTLY RUN BOARD MEETING.
IF A MEETING IS EFFICIENTLY AND, UM, UH, EFFECTIVELY RUN ANY INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER, WON'T BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MONOPOLIZE THE MEETING.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE PERSON CONDUCTING THE MEETING, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER COMMENT.
WILL THERE BE A SECTION IN HERE? UH, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY LOOKS AT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE OFFICERS IN THEIR ROLES, BECAUSE IF THE BOARD DOES PASS THE NEWLY REVISED POLICY MANUAL AFTER IT'S THREE READINGS, THOSE TERMS WILL BE ONE YEAR.
NOW THIS COULD PROVIDE VERY EFFECTIVE DATA FOR THE BOARD MOVING FORWARD TO THIS SIDE.
DO WE WANT TO EXTEND THE TERM OF THESE OFFICERS? BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE RECEIVED IN THIS EVALUATION, WERE THESE MEETINGS EFFECTIVELY BROWN WAS A BNC DONE.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SOMEWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THIS PAGE, CERTAINLY.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.
BUT HERE'S IT COUNTER ANYBODY ELSE? WHEN I SAY ANYTHING, ANYBODY HAS THE KIND OF APPROACH TO THAT ONE.
LET'S SAY THE NUMBER IS LOW ONE.
HOW DO WE DELVE INTO THE CONTENT OF WHY IT WAS LOW AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE IT BY SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH OVER THE LEADERSHIP MIGHT BE A PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT, BUT THE EXPECTATIONS FOR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE TO SOMEHOW BE A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND TO ME, THAT QUESTION IS A VIABLE QUESTION TERMS OF DOMINATING AND MONOPOLIZING.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY A AGENDA ITEM, AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL TOPIC.
YOU CAN TALK FIVE MINUTES IF YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING WORTHWHILE AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT IF EVERY TIME YOU TALK IN A MEETING,
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YOUR AGENDA IS THE SAME.THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS QUESTION IS ABOUT.
AND IN MY MIND, THAT'S RELEVANT.
TO YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER, I CAN'T SPEAK UNTIL I'M ADDRESSED.
THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN ADDRESS ME IS THE PERSON OFFICIATING OVER THE MEETING.
IT IS THE PERSON'S ROLE THIS YEAR, OFFICIATING OVER THE MEETING.
AND IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IS TO MANAGE THESE SCENARIOS.
IF A PERSON IS MONOPOLIZING, A BOARD MEETING, THEY WERE PERMITTED TO MONOPOLIZE IT BOARD MEETING.
YOU AND I CAN'T SPEAK WITHOUT BEING CALLED UPON.
SO YOU AND I WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT ONE.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH YOU IN TERMS OF, OF THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT 10 TO A ONE, WE COULD, WE COULD MONOPOLIZE THAT BEATING WITHOUT ANY BOARD OVERSIGHT.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE, THROWING IT OUT? LET'S GO NUMBER SIX.
I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
THAT WHAT IS THE GIST OF THIS QUESTION? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THERE IS THERE, THE MEAT OF THIS QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED? AND, UM, MY POLICY BOOK IS UPSTAIRS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO REWORD THIS QUESTION INTO SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR POLICIES, IT SOMETHING LIKE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT CONCERNS.
UM, BECAUSE REALLY WHAT THIS QUESTION IS SAYING IS THAT SOMEBODY HAS A CONCERN AND, AND, AND SOMEBODY HAS, HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY WANT, UM, TO, TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, HOW A BOARD MEMBER PRESENTS THEIR CONCERNS OR THEIR REQUESTS OR THEIR NEEDS, WHATEVER.
AND IN A, IN A CERTAIN WAY, IS THAT, IS THAT RINGING A BELL? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS QUESTION IS ASKING.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WE COULDN'T WORD IT THAT WAY SO THAT WE KEEP WHAT IS IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS QUESTION, BUT TAKE OUT THE, UM, THE PUNITIVE STUFF, MONOPOLIZING, UM, EXCESSIVE, YOU KNOW, SO I'LL WORK ON THAT ONE.
IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO THE, UM, COMMITTEE HERE AND I CAN BRING BACK A SUGGESTION NEXT WEEK OR NEXT WE MEET.
YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THOSE WORDS RIGHT? THERE IS A NUMBER FOUR BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT CONCERNS, AND THEN YOU CAN WORK IT.
OR YOU JUST WANT ME TO TAKE THAT OFF? NO, PLEASE LEAVE THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON IT NEXT TIME WE MEET.
NOW THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS DEMONSTRATE RESPECT FOR THE COLLEAGUES, SUPERINTENDENT, STAFF, ATTENDEES, AND OTHER PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN BOTH VERBAL AND NONVERBAL COMMUNICATIONS.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT ONE? THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO GET INTO THIS BOARD MEMBER THING REALLY TO ANY DEGREE, BECAUSE IF THE BOARD POLICY PASSES THREE READINGS, WE CANNOT RESTRICT YOUR PROHIBITED, UM, BODY LANGUAGE, UM, THAT THAT SHOWS WERE FRUSTRATED WITH, UH, ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR THE, OUR COLLEAGUES, ELECTED COLLEAGUES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ONE COMPORTS WITH A POTENTIAL POLICY THAT MAY PASS WITH THREE READINGS, RIGHT? WHERE THE NON-VERBAL PART.
I UNDERSTAND THE NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION.
ANYBODY ELSE? I TEND TO AGREE WITH JOANNE ON THAT ONE.
LET ME ASK YOU ENJOY HAVING THIS QUESTION.
WHAT ABOUT ABOUT THREE MEETINGS THAT GO ONE AGO? PUBLIC COMMENTORS MADE A COMMENT ABOUT OUR BODY LANGUAGE AS BOARD MEMBERS, AS SHE WAS COMMENTING.
DOES THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON DEFECTIVE BOARD? I WOULD.
I WOULD, UH, IN TURN SAY THAT I DISAGREE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WITH MR. GUYER,
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UH, SAID, LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS ALL THAT HE HAD.HE HAD, HE HIMSELF HAS A POKER FACE.
SO THEREFORE I THINK WE CAN, AS BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE CAN'T CHANGE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE KIDS.
WE HAVE TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.
SO I THINK THAT THIS CAN BE A BIT MUCH BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE TALK WITH THEIR HANDS.
SOME PEOPLE TALK IN A DIFFERENT ENTERED IN A DIFFERENT METAPHORS, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE QUIET AND LAID BACK, OR THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THEY JUST TALK AT ONE VOICE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE BOARD MEMBER? NO, NO, NO.
MY QUESTION IS I THINK THAT WE ARE ONCE AGAIN, THAT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS GET TOO MUCH INTO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS AND HOW THEY CONDUCT THIS STUFF.
BECAUSE WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A WRONG.
WE CANNOT TELL, I PRETTY MUCH TELL A BOARD MEMBER WHAT HE OR SHE CAN DO.
AND IN THIS CAPACITY THAT WE ARE ALL EQUAL AND WE ALL SIT ON EQUAL FOOTING.
HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN COME TO COMMON, COMMON, COMMON, OR AGREE ON, ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AT THAT, AT THESE MEETINGS.
BUT TO ME, THAT, THAT IS THAT YOU ASK SOMEONE TO BE WHO THEY MAY NOT BE, HOW I EXPRESS MYSELF AND NOT HAVE TO BE HOW YOU EXPRESS YOURSELF.
I COULD RUN THE MEETING AND SAY, AH, THE BUILDING'S ON FIRE, FIRE, FIRE, YELLING.
AND SOMEONE COULD JUST SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT.
BUT IN TURN, IF I WALKED IN A CLASSROOM AND SAY, HEY, UH, THE CLASS IS ON FIRE VERSUS SOMEONE SAYING, HEY, THE GUY'S ON FIRE.
WHO ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY? I MEAN, IT JUST, IT JUST, IT JUST, EVERYBODY INTERPRETATION HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION.
THE HAND ON THE JAW SAYING, GEE, MAN, NOT AGAIN, NONVERBAL COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S THE PART THAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON TO ME, TO ME, THAT'S MOTTO, THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT.
YOU SHOULDN'T, YOU LOOK POLITE OR NOT.
THAT'S THE BASIC, THE QUESTION.
YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT NON-VERBAL TURN YOUR BACK ON THE AUDIENCE.
THAT'S LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
AND THAT WILL BE UP TO THE CONSTITUENTS AND THEIR, AND THEIR COMMUNITY.
EITHER THE CONSTITUENTS GET RID OF THAT BOARD MEMBER OR THEY CAN, OR THEY CONTINUE TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S WHO REPRESENTS US? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CONSTITUENTS, THAT'S NOT ON THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOMETIMES WE, WE REACH TOO FAR.
THAT IS UP TO THE CONSTITUENTS.
IF THEY DON'T LIKE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DOING YOU VOTED BUTTER OR BOUGHT HER OFF HER BUTT OUT OF OFFICE.
I THINK THAT WE REACHED TOO FAR.
AND WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING CONSTITUENTS.
WE DOING THE CONSTITUENTS BUSINESS, WHO THEY, WHO THEY LIKE TO REPRESENT THEM, HOW THEY CARRY THEMSELVES, THAT'S ON THEM AND THEIR, AND THEIR AREA.
IF THEIR CONSTITUENTS DON'T LIKE IT, THEY'LL PULL YOU ASIDE.
AND THEY'LL TELL YOU, THEY'LL TELL YOU TO LOOK AT IT.
WELL, JOANNE, YEAH, THIS, THIS ONE IS MY FAVORITE MORE TIMES THAN I CARE TO, UH, TO MENTION, LOOK, IT'S, IT'S NOT POLITE.
I KNOW WHAT TRISH IS GOING TO SAY.
WE ALL FALL PREY TO IT OCCASIONALLY, BUT I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH, WELL, THIS IS SELF-REGULATING.
I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO BOARD MEMBERS WHO CONSISTENTLY DISPLAY RESPECT.
DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR THEM.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S, SELF-REGULATING, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO IMPOSE IT ON EACH OTHER.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYONE HAD POLITE BODY LANGUAGE, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T AND SOMETIMES EVEN BLIGHT BODY LANGUAGE CAN BE MISCONSTRUED.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I DO THIS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MY EYES, MY GLASSES MIGHT PINCH YOU AND THAT MIGHT BE CONSTRUED AS, OH MY GOD, CAN WE PLEASE MOVE? SO IT'S TOO AMBIGUOUS.
I THINK IT'S UP TO OUR CONSTITUENTS TO DECIDE IF OUR BEHAVIOR IS THE FITTING OF AN ELECTED PERSON OR NOT.
I THINK, I THINK IF YOU TAKE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS ANY FURTHER THAN WE WERE WASTING TIME WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE TO ASSESS HOW WE LOOK TO OUR CONSTITUENCY AS A BOARD, NOT AS INDIVIDUALS, AND IF EVERYONE IN THE HALL BACK AND SAME TIME BEGIN TO SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT THE INDEPENDENCE TO DO THAT.
I'M RE I'M REPRESENTING A CERTAIN GROUP AND WE ALL APPEAR THAT WAY.
ALL WE AFFECTIVE BOARD OR NOT, WHEN WE ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OUR INDIVIDUALISM, THAT'S THE QUESTION IN MY MIND.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL THINK ABOUT THESE GLASSES AND I DIDN'T MAKE THEM UP.
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LONG BEFORE.NOW I AGREE WITH, WITH YOUR, UM, THOUGHTS ON THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE ARE EVALUATING OURSELVES AS AN, ARE WE AN EFFECTIVE BOARD OR NOT? AND WE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE SUM OF OUR PARTS.
AND SO IT'S THE SUM IS THE TOTAL.
SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL LOOK? UM, AND IF WE CAN'T ASSESS OURSELVES ON THIS, THEN WE WON'T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
WE HAVE NO WAY TO, TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED TO IMPROVE IN AN AREA.
NOW, DO I AGREE WITH THIS WORDING DESK NECESSARILY AGAIN, WE COULD LOOK TO OUR CURRENT POLICIES FOR GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THE WORDING OF IT, BUT TO YOUR VERY VALID POINT, IF YOU NEVER LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND SEE WHAT EFFECT IT HAS, YOU HAVE NO WAY OF CHANGING ANYTHING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE FACTS.
WE CONTINUE TO REMAIN INDEPENDENT AND FUNCTIONING INDEPENDENTLY, AND WE WON'T DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD.
I, I VERY MUCH AGREE WITH THAT.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH IT? BUT ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY TOO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, I'D SAY, JUST LISTENING AND READING THEM, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO BOARD LEADERSHIP.
SO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT SOME OR SOME OF THEM ARE VALID AND THEY DON'T REALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH VALIDITY.
UH, AS, AS A, AS A, AS A BOARD EVA, EVERYONE'S ON, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE ON ONE PAGE OR PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER OR, OR NOT.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THAT AS A WHOLE WHOLE, MY, MY, I WAS, I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY WHAT I SAID THE FIRST TIME IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S BASED UPON YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE, ONE, TWO, AND TWO, YOUR PERSONAL CHARACTER.
AND AS, AS, AS, AS WELL AS TO HOW BOARD MEMBERS INTERACT, WHICH IS HOW THINGS ARE GOING ON THE BOARD.
AND I THINK THAT EVEN ON THIS LAST GO ROUND WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE GROUP THAT I CAME IN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE BOARD CHARACTER, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEN THAT'S WHY YOU HAD SEVEN PEOPLE TO GET, TO GET A TICKET, TO GET ELECTED OR SIX.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOWED US SOMETHING.
I JUST, I DIDN'T EVEN THINK THAT, THAT, THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE ARE DOING TOO MUCH FAR REACHING TO INDIVIDUALS VERSUS AS A, AS, AS A BOARD.
I MEAN, SO, SO I JUST DIDN'T, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS, THIS, THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE THROWN OUT A TEST QUESTION.
YOU'VE GOT A AND TWO HERE WITH OUR EVEN MEMBERED, EVEN NUMBERED COMMITTEE.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITHOUT A MOTION? THEY LOSE THE MOTION.
YOU CAN MAKE IT TWO AND TWO, BUT AS A LOSS, CORRECT.
AND THEN A NEW, NEW ONE IS TILL WE GET ENOUGH PEOPLE IN AGREEMENT, UH, TO PUT SOMETHING DOWN, ROBIN DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PROCEED ON THIS.
DO WE KEEP IT AS IS? I BELIEVE IT, WE CAN MAKE THEM ELIMINATE.
IF YOU MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ELIMINATED OR WE CAN KEEP IT.
IF WE MAKE THE MOTION THAT YOU ELIMINATED IT AS, AS TWO, TWO, UM, I MADE ELIMINATE, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX FROM BOARD MEETINGS, QUESTION, JOANNE, YOU WANT TO MAKE THE OTHER MOTION IF YOU WANTED TO ELIMINATE IT, IF THIS, IF THIS IS UNSUCCESSFUL, IT DEPENDS ON THE OUTCOME OF THE MOTION NOW.
ANY COMMENTS? WELL, SACK ON IT.
I HAVE MOTION TO ELIMINATE NUMBER SIX FROM PAGE ONE, RIGHT? UM, MR. CAMPBELL, MAY I? OKAY.
ONCE AGAIN, I, I DISAGREE WITH THE WORDING.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE, WITH THE CONTENT.
I THINK IT'S, WE COULD HAVE COME TO A COMPROMISE ON DIFFERENT WORDING ON THIS.
UM, BUT EMOTION IS ON US, ON THE FLOOR.
UM, AND SO I WON'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION AND SOME REWORKING.
UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THE WORDING OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY PUNITIVE AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR PUNITIVE.
UM, SO I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE IT AND LOOK AT IT AT SOME
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SUMMIT TAMPA WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND WE'RE ACTIVELY ACTIVE TO MENTION A POINT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER.WE CAN POINT ALL OF THIS TO, TO BOARD LEADERSHIP AND SAY, THE BOARD LEADERSHIP IS WHAT'S CREATING A INEFFECTIVE BOARD, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
BOARD MEMBERS HAVE CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES TOO.
AND UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO OFFER UP TO SOME OF THEM, WE CAN IMPROVE, RIGHT.
AND THE ELECTION DOESN'T SERVE US ANY GOOD IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE BOARD, BECAUSE YOU GET ANOTHER BOARD THAT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL ANOTHER BOARD THAT THIS ASSUMPTION OF ANOTHER BOARD THAT THIS FUNCTION.
BECAUSE YOU'VE ORDERED IN AND OUT.
WE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENS ONCE YOU'RE IN.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING JOANNE HAD SAID EARLIER, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN RELATION TO THIS MOTION.
OH, I'VE ALREADY IN FAVOR OF IT.
DOESN'T MATTER, MR. CAMPBELL, MAY I, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? UM, YES.
SO, UM, MS.
I THINK THAT SINCE WE HAVE CRITERIA IN OUR POLICY, OUR CURRENT POLICIES THAT SAY WHAT EACH OFFICER IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, UM, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME INSTRUMENT IN, IN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UM, GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHETHER THEY HAVE, UM, ADHERE TO THE CRITERIA AND, AND, AND A RANKING OF IT.
SO, UM, SO JOANNE, I JUST DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE WE HAD MOVED ON AND I DIDN'T WANT TO FORGET TOO.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST MR. CAMPBELL AS CHAIR, THAT WE COME BACK TO THAT THOUGHT AT SOME POINT.
OTHER THAN SOME OF THE QUESTIONS HE HAD GENERAL IN TERMS OF RESPONSES, IN TERMS OF THE LEADERSHIP AND OFFICERS, ARE WE GETTING SPECIFIC THEN TO THE OFFICER'S PARTICULARS IN TERMS OF THE QUESTIONING I'M BEING TENDED TO, TO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT DID BE BASICALLY A GENERAL IN TERMS OF THE OFFICE'S ROLE IN WHAT, WHAT, HOW THEY ADHERE TO THE GENERAL EFFECTIVENESS OF THE BOARD.
UM, I, I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE A COMPLETE THOUGHT, UM, OR, OR PROCESS OR INSTRUMENT, UM, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, BUT I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT AS A FUTURE TOPIC AND ONE OF OUR NEXT, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
I THINK WE'VE GONE PAST SCHEDULE, TIME UP, JOANNE.
UH, I'M GOING TO FORMALIZE THAT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER WITH THE MOTION.
UM, I MOVED THAT THE COMMITTEE ADD A SECTION TO THE INSTRUMENT, REVIEWING A BOARD LEADERSHIP PERFORMANCE.
NOW I MADE THAT MOTION UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS EVALUATION TOOL IS ONLY DONE ONCE A YEAR, WHICH ACTUALLY ALIGNS WITH, UM, IF IT, IF IT PASSES THREE RATINGS, THE TERM OF YOUR OFFICERS, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE IN THE FUTURE, AND THIS WILL GIVE THE BOARD AND HARD DATA NUMBERS, WE CAN GET SPECIFIC, WE CAN ALIGN IT TO POLICIES.
WE CAN ALIGN IT TO ROBERT'S RULES AND JUST GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR CONDUCTING MEETINGS.
AND SO, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE CAN INCLUDE.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE LION CHAIR OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT CERTAINLY A SECTION THAT CAN PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE BOARD,
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TAKING THE POLITICAL SUBJECTIVE ASPECT OUT OF THE DILEMMA THAT THE BOARD FACES AND, AND STRUGGLES WITH EVERY FEW YEARS IN CHOOSING ITS LEADERSHIP AND LEADERSHIP IS IMPORTANT.SO I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS IN THERE.
THEIR COMMENT FROM ROBIN IT'S BOARD LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
WE DON'T, UM, MISINTERPRET THAT AS OUR SUPERINTENDENT.
I MEAN, MR. CAMPBELL, YOU ASKED FOR COMMENT.
SINCE MS. ORISHA, YOU FORMALIZED THIS IN EMOTION.
MY, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS MOTION WORDING IS THAT IT'S ADD A SECTION, UM, AS COMPARED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT BEING JUST A PART OF THE WHOLE DOCUMENT AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW I WILL VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THAT, UH, A RATING OF A JOB PERFORMANCE BASED ON CRITERIA AS DETERMINED IN THE POLICY MANUAL COULD JUST BE PART OF ANOTHER SECTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.
SO MAY I RESPOND MR. CAMPBELL? SO THE REASON WHY SAY SEPARATED AS A SECTION IS SO THAT YOU, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND EXTRACT AND READ THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT MAY REFER TO PERFORMANCE BY A BOARD OFFICER.
YOU HAVE IT ALL COMPILED IN ONE SECTION, AND YOU CAN SEE BY THOSE NUMBERS, OKAY, LOOK, THERE'S, THESE NUMBERS ARE HOT.
CLEARLY THIS INDIVIDUAL PERFORMED WELL FOLLOWED POLICY.
SHOULD THEY WANT TO SEEK THE LEADERSHIP ROLE THEY'RE IN OR A DIFFERENT ONE FOR ANOTHER YEAR BEYOND THEIR TERM.
SO THAT'S WHY HAVING IT CENTERED IN ONE PLACE THIS WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HUNT AND PECK FOR EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT DISPERSE, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT THAT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE, THEN MAYBE OTHER CONTRIBUTING, UM, ITEMS ELSEWHERE.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE ONE AREA THAT YOU CAN LOOK TO YOU AND VERY QUICKLY MAKE A DETERMINATION, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE SCORES ARE MEDIOCRE.
MAYBE I WANT TO CONSIDER SO-AND-SO FOR THAT ROLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH IT'S, IT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER.
AND IT MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR YOU.
I WON'T DO IT, BUT I WANT ME TO DO IT, BUT YOU ALL WILL, AND IT MIGHT HELP STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS.
IF YOU'RE ON THE FENCE ABOUT SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, OH, WELL, LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, THEY LOOK AWFULLY GOOD, OR, OH, THEY DON'T LOOK SO GOOD.
UM, AND IT MIGHT TAKE THE STING OUT FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ASPIRE TO THAT AND JUST, IT HAD SUBJECTIVELY BEEN DISCARDED OR SUBJECTIVELY BEEN PROMOTED.
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BLACK AND WHITE WAY FOR THE BOARD TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ACTUALLY GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO, BUT IT'S THE MORE I'M TALKING THROUGH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT HELP YOU, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA MAKE THAT COMMENT? UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I AGREE.
AND IT'S NO, I THINK IT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM ADDING QUESTIONS TO THE, TO THE, UM, TO, TO, TO THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT, THE, THE QUESTION, THE, UH, THE PACKET, BUT MY THING IS JUST NOW IT'S JUST AN ORGANIZED AREA OR SECTION FOR IT.
NO, I SEE NO HARM IN IT PERSONALLY.
I MEAN, I MEAN, BECAUSE THESE AND THESE ARE ORIGINALLY IN THE, THESE QUESTIONS, WEREN'T, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A PART OF THIS, OF THE, OF THIS, UM, ON THESE QUESTIONS.
WE'RE NOT APART OF THE, OF, OF THIS.
UM, WHAT'S THE WORD W W W W DOCUMENT, BUT ACTUALLY THAT THE DOCUMENT IS A, UM, EVALUATION TO THE D UH, SO THAT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THERE WE GO.
THE WORDS WERE NOT, I MEAN, TH THAT SECTION WAS NOT A PART OF THE EVALUATION TO, AT ALL, SO REALLY TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE ADDING IT.
SO, I MEAN, WHERE WE PUT IT AT OR HOW WE PUT IT IN, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FORM OF ORGANIZATION.
SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT, EXCUSE ME, FOR GETTING MY THOUGHTS.
WELL, THAT GOES RIGHT BACK TO TRISHA'S COMMENT.
I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE THAT YOU COULD HAVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE LEADERSHIP
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ROLE AND HOW EFFECTIVE THEY ARE, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THE SECTION NICE FOR THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT GIVES AN ADDED FOCUS IN THAT IT TAKES AWAY FROM, FROM SOME IMPARTIAL INTENT.WHEN WE COME TO THE ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, ZERO IN, ON CERTAIN CATEGORIES, YOU TEND TO FOCUS A LOT MORE ON THAT CATEGORY IN TERMS OF YOUR LIKENESS OF THIS, LIKE, AS OPPOSED TO GENERALLY ANSWERING QUESTIONS ON WHAT YOU THINK, UH, SPONTANEOUSLY.
THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
UM, SO THEY WANT VERY SPECIFIC JOBS AND SIGNED TO THESE BOARD LEADERSHIP ROLES, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC JOBS.
IT, I THINK IT COULD WARRANT ITS OWN SECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IF YOU'D RATHER DISPERSE ALL OF THOSE, UM, UH, THAT'S MY FEELING JOANNE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN AND FIND THEM AND ADD THEM UP AND THEM THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE TO FIND THEM TO ADD THEM UP.
MAYBE YOU'RE DOING THIS ASSESSMENT, YOU MAY ASK ANSWER.
AND PARTIALLY BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS COME UP SPONTANEOUSLY AS OPPOSED TO A FOCUSED ANSWER ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ON ONE-ON-ONE, ONE-ON-ONE, ONE-ON-ONE DOWN THAT SECTION, BUT IF I'M LOOKING AT QUESTIONS INDEPENDENTLY, I MIGHT DO A DIFFERENT KIND OF GRADING.
SOUNDS GOOD, MR. CAMPBELL, JUST FROM LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK THAT'S HALF OF THE QUESTIONS ARE ON THIS PAPER.
I THINK WE COULD PERCEIVE THEM THAT WAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND AS YOU SAID EARLIER, MEAN BY THAT, WELL, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT MAY BE A AS AN, AS BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR TARGET, IT MAY BE, IT COULD BE TWO WHEN YOU, IF YOU DON'T LIKE LEADERSHIP, THEN YOU COULD GIVE EVERYONE A ONE.
SO THEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW SOMEONE IS CONDUCTING YOURSELVES AS A, AS A BOARD MEMBER, THEN YOU COULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M DOING THIS WAY.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M DOING IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SO-AND-SO IS DOING IT.
AND, UH, AND, UH, SO-AND-SO IS NOT COMING PREPARED OR SO-AND-SO IS, UH, ALL THE CHARLOTTE IN THE MEETINGS.
I ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT WITH NOTHING, AND THIS IS AN INDIVIDUALIZED, UH, EVALUATION ON BULLET MEMBERS, EXCEPT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING NOW AS AN OFFICER, AS, YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT BOTH THE OFFICERS, BUT NOT ALL IN ONE SECTION.
I'M NOT SAYING DON'T ASK ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHAIR, BUT DON'T ASK FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHAIR.
AND AT THE SAME TIME I ASKED HER ABOUT HOW WILL THE CHAIR IS RUNNING THE MEETING OR HOW THE CHAIR IS DOING THIS.
JUST ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHAIR THAT I ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN I LOVE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHAIR AND THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT JUST TOTALLY FOCUSED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, PULLS A PROMISE FROM THE CHAIR.
YOU DO FOCUS ON PERFORMANCE OF THE BOARD OVERALL.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
YOU MENTIONED YOU ARE A MATH TEACHER, CORRECT? YES.
IF YOU WERE TEACHING ALGEBRA AND, AND YOU WERE WORKING ON, ON, ON A, ON A CHAPTER, DID YOU GIVE A CHAPTER WHEN YOU GIVE YOU A TEST, DID YOU GIVE YOUR CHAPTER TEST BASICALLY ON WHAT YOU TAUGHT OR DID YOU ADD, UH, DID YOU ADD WHAT YOU MAY HAVE WENT OVER THE LAST WEEK, ENTER THAT INTO THAT TEST THAT'S FOR THAT WEEK? WELL, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT.
WHAT IS RELEVANT? IF I GIVE A CHAPTER TEST IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE, ALL THE QUESTIONS ON THE LAST PART OF THAT CHAPTER.
THE LAST PART OF THE TEST, I, I, IT WAS THE CHAPTER TEST TO ME.
I I'M, I'M GIVING A, A, A TEST ON THE, ON THAT CHAPTER.
AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED YOU THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT OFFICERS, THEN ALL THOSE QUESTIONS
IF YOU ARE RELATED YOU, AREN'T RELATED YOU AT THE END OF THE BOOK, AND YOU WERE GIVING A TEST ON THE WHOLE BOOK.
AND A QUESTION ON CHAPTER ONE MIGHT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TEST.
I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THE CHAPTER OF THE OFFICERS OR ABOUT OFFICERS SHOULD BE IN, IN, IN, IN ONE AREA.
BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON AND HOW, AND NOW, NOW YOU'RE FOCUSED, DRIVEN ON WHAT NEEDS TO GO DOWN OR HOW YOU HIRE, HOW YOU PERCEIVE
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THEM, BECAUSE HOW YOU PERCEIVE THEM AS VERY IMPORTANT OFFICER LEADERSHIP IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, DATA IS WHAT IS, WHAT IS, WHAT SHOULD BE DRIVING DECISIONS.UM, I AM GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION ONLY BECAUSE IT'S APPARENT THAT IT HAS A NEED FOR A LOT MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY COMMIT OURSELVES TO, UM, TO, TO DOING WHAT THIS MOTION SAYS.
CAUSE I STILL DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT BEING A SECTION.
NO, BUT I THINK THE, THE BASIC THOUGHT OF HAVING SOME ASSESSMENT OF THE OFFICER'S, THE SECRETARY, THE VICE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR BASED ON THE CRITERIA, ENUMERATED IN THE POLICIES IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
BUT I WANT ABOUT NOTE OF THIS ONE.
SO IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO TALK IT THROUGH.
UM, NO, SO LET ME CARRY THE MOTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
NOW WE COULD NEW AN AMENDMENT TO, I MEAN, BY MADAME MOTION, FAILING IT, KNOCKS OUT ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES, JOANNE.
SO THEY CAN DO AN AMENDMENT THAT WE INCLUDE CIVIC.
SO, SO IF I MAY I'LL LEAVE THAT TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER.
I REALLY LIKE A SEPARATE SECTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HUNT AND PECK FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR SOLUTION.
SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO SOMEONE WHO IS LEANING IN ANOTHER WAY.
ALL I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A MOTION TO INCLUDE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT BOARD OFFICERS AND EILEEN YOU'RE TAKING A WHOLE OR NOTHING APPROACH HIM.
NO, NO, I, MY MOTION WAS VERY CLEAR.
WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A SEPARATE SECTION.
SO THE, THE WAY THAT IT FAILED MEANS IT WON'T HAVE A SECTION, BUT YOU'RE STILL FREE TO INTERJECT OTHER, UM, UH, YOU COULD DO A WHOLE SEPARATE EVENT SEPARATE FROM THIS BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, A VALUATION AS A SEPARATE COMMITTEE THEN I DON'T KNOW, OR YOU I'LL BE GONE BY THEN, OR YOU CAN JUST INTERJECT YOU OUT THIS INSTRUMENT, THE MEASURES THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE LOOKED AT FOR BOARD LEADERSHIP.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M KEEPING THIS AS GENERIC AS POSSIBLE.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANY INDIVIDUALS, IT'S JUST A PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO MAKE AN EMOTION.
I'M NOT CERTAIN ON THE PERSON FOR IT RIGHT NOW THOUGH.
NO, I THINK WE CAN DO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED.
THE SECOND PART OF YOUR COMMENT, FAMILY.
JUST ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND IT'S VIRTUALLY AS WE GO ALL OVER THE DOCUMENT.
THEY'LL BE QUESTIONS COMING UP AS YOU LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT RELATIVE TO THE BOARD LEADERSHIP SURGICALLY, ONE OFFICER OR THE OTHER, BUT BOARD LEADERSHIP.
WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT SPECIFICALLY.
I THINK YOU DEFINITELY WOULD DO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST TWO HOURS.
ANY, ANY FURTHER BUSINESS ARE WE FINISHED WITH THAT SECTION? NOW WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
WELL, LET'S COVER THOSE TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN ADJOURN TO THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT AND TRY TO GET ANOTHER BEATING DATE SET.
I CAN'T SEE IT NOW WAS THE CONSENT AGENDA APPROPRIATELY USED AS A MEANS TO EXPEDITE THE DISPOSITION OF BUSINESSMAN.
LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS OR ALL COULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME.
WE USED TO USE, UM, WE USED TO USE CONSENTED AGENDA, UH, TO GET RID OF ISSUES THAT WERE MINOR IN NATURE, UM, MINUTES.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT, WHAT GRADUALLY TRANSPIRED OVER THE YEARS WAS THERE WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE, LARGER ITEMS UNDER THAT AGENDA AND THEY WOULD BE DISMISSED WITH LITTLE TO NO DISCUSSION.
SO THAT WAS THE DANGER THERE AND PROBABLY THE ORIGINS
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OF THIS.I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD EVEN USING CONSENT AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT USED IN SEVERAL AGENDAS.
HAVE I, DO YOU OR WILL, RIGHT.
THE QUESTION IS THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING, WELL, IN A TYPICAL AGENDA, ALL THEIR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND IF WE USE IT PROPERLY, SHOULD THERE BE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ON THEIR AGENDA? THAT'S THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S YEAH.
AS DAN, AS YOU SEE THE NUMBER, THERE'LL BE VERY LOW.
SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT QUESTION AND DEFINE WHY IT'S LOW.
DO WE JUST GET RID OF IT OR SHOULD WE USE IT MORE EFFECTIVELY? UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, MY QUESTIONS SHOULD HAVE STAYED.
YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF SCHOOL BOARDS THAT SUPPOSEDLY EFFECTIVE SCHOOL BOARDS AND THEIR MEETINGS, THEY HAVE CONSENT AGENDA THAT THAT'S YEAH.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT'S PLACED ON THOSE CONSENTED AGENDAS.
WE HAD MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTS, NOT UNDER THE CURRENT LEADERSHIP, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LEADERSHIP AGAIN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, GET RID OF THIS.
HEY, COULD YOU, COULD YOU GUYS HOLD ON ONE SECOND, ROBIN HAD LOST CONNECTION.
SO SHE'S TRYING TO GET WHY NOT, WHERE SHE WAS.
I'M TRYING TO HELP HER GET BACK.
WELL, IT GIVES ME UNDERSTAND THE EMOTIONAL ENERGY DISCUSSION, RIGHT? UH, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT QUESTION? I SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THAT MOTION IS TO GET RID OF THAT ITEM.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE REASON WHY HAS KIND OF MADE UP HER POINT OF WHY IT'S NOT RELEVANT FOR OUR BOARD AT THIS TIME? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A DISTORTED VIEW OF WHAT CONSENT MEANS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT THEY PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SHOULDN'T BE PLACED THERE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M I ASKING FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL OF YOU, YOU SUGGESTED WE GET RID OF THE WHOLE ITEM, NOT TO EVALUATE THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? IF WE'RE NOT USING IT NOW AND IT HADN'T BEEN USED AND WHAT, WHAT W WHY CONTINUE MOVING ON? BECAUSE YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A REASONING BEHIND IT, BECAUSE BY NOT USING IT, THAT'S IT GOOD TERM FROM US BECOMING AN EFFECTIVE BOARD OR NOT? IT DOES IT, DOES IT MAKE THE AGENDA A AGENDA THAT'S PALATABLE IN TERMS OF TIME, USE A SAS BUSINESS USE, ET CETERA.
AND I, THAT'S WHY I MADE THE COMMENT THAT I LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF, UH, MEETINGS FROM, UH, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S DETERMINED TO BE EFFECTIVE SCHOOLS RESULTS ANYWAY, AND THEY HAD CONSENT AGENDA ON THEIR AGENDA.
THEY ALLOTTED SECTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH MADE PERFECT SENSE IF IT'S USED CORRECTLY.
TO ME, THE POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE IS THERE.
NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT ABUSING IT.
UM, BECAUSE WE CREATED A WHOLE SEPARATE SECTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES THAT NEVER USED TO BE ON OUR AGENDA.
WE HAD CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WAS LIKE A CATCHALL WAS A BUCKET FOR ANYTHING FROM A LOW PRIORITY OR HARMED SET OF MINUTES TO A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.
WHAT WE RAN INTO WAS YOU, YOU ENCOUNTERED A PROCESS IF SOMETHING WAS ENTERED INCORRECTLY, UNDER CONSENT AGENDA OR INAPPROPRIATELY, UM,
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BOARD MEMBERS HAD A WAY TO REMOVE THAT ITEM FROM CONSENT AGENDA DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND PLACE IT ON BOARD BUSINESS ACTION.BUT IT GOT INTO, IT WAS VERY COMPLEX.
IT GOT INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
IT ADDED TO THE LENGTH OF THE BOARD MEETINGS WHEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED THROUGH PROPER PLANNING OF THE AGENDA, NO SIGNIFICANT ITEM THAT REQUIRES BOARD DISCUSSION AND INPUT SHOULD FIND ITS WAY OR CONSENT AGENDA.
SO WHAT I FOUND OVER THE YEARS WAS THAT THE, UM, POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE ON THAT ITEM IS NOT WORTH HAVING IT AT ALL.
I DO KNOW MEL, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER SCHOOL BOARDS, AGENDAS, THEY HAVE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT PERHAPS THEY'RE RUNNING INTO THE SAME ISSUES IN THEIR DISTRICTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, ALL I KNOW IS THEY'VE GOT IT AND THEY ARE DEEMED EFFECTIVE.
I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ABUSE IT, LIKE YOU SAY, BUT IF DONE PROPERLY, SHOULD IT BE THERE OR NOT? THAT'S WHY THE WORD APPROPRIATELY IS THERE, BUT ANYWAY, WE PULLED ON IT AND IT JUST FURTHER COMMENT.
WELL, I WASN'T KNOCKED OUT, SO THERE WAS A MOTION MADE, BUT I WAS KNOCKED OUT.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, YOU WANT TO, I MOVE THAT.
WE GET RID OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE'LL DELETE NUMBER SEVEN PERIOD OFF OF PAGE ONE.
AND JOANNE SAID, DID SOMEONE SECOND IT ROBIN.
UM, MR. CAMPBELL, W WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN WE SAY SUCCESSFUL MEETINGS, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF INTERPRETATION.
WHEN YOU SAID, WHEN DID I SAY THAT THING WAS SUCCESSFUL MEETING? YOU SAID SOME OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE HAVE IT, AND YOU SAID, SAY ABOUT THEM.
I SAID, ALL I KNOW IS THEY'RE DEEMED AS EFFECTIVE BOARD BECAUSE THEIR RESULTS ARE GOOD FROM A STANDALONE HIGH FUNCTIONING SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THAT'S EFFECTIVE BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY EFFECTIVE MEETINGS.
THAT'S A COMPONENT THAT THEY HAD.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE JOANNE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE USING IT RIGHT OR NOT.
AND THEN THAT'S, AND THAT WAS, AND THAT WAS MY POINT BASED OFF HOW THAT'S STILL BASED OFF INTERPRETATION TO ME.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I MEAN, MY OPINION THAT THAT'S, THAT'S BASED OFF INTERPRETATION.
NO, JUST I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEWPOINT.
UM, I'VE JUST SEEN THE ABUSE OF THAT AGENDA ITEM OVER THE YEARS, TO THE EXTENT WHERE I CAN'T, UM, FOR THIS ONE, JUST BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES.
SO, BUT I RESPECT WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND IT IS CERTAINLY A PART OF MANY BOARDS, UM, AGENDAS, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? MY COMMENT WOULD BE TO THAT.
JOANNE IS THAT'S MORE REASON TO LEAVE IT ON THERE TO SEE WHAT OTHER BOARD MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT IT AND REALLY EVALUATING THIS NOW.
YOU KNOW, EVALUATING IT, BUT THAT'S GOOD, CARRIE, TO VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING THAT WHEN, UM, WE LEAVE A QUESTION IN THERE THAT PERHAPS NEEDS TO BE REWORDED.
ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK NEXT TIME WITH SUGGESTIONS? MAYBE ON SEVERAL DAYS.
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DECIDED TO LEAVE IN THERE, WE HAVE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF REBEL ARGUMENT.AND EVEN THAT MIGHT BE DISMISSED WHEN WE BRING IT BACK.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE TOPICS, UH, HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED BY OUR COMMITTEE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO WAIT? THE TIE BREAKER IS BY CONVINCING WITH WORDS WHEN WE ALREADY THE OTHER.
SO I'M GOING TO SHARE THE SCREEN.
I HAVE THE WORD DOCUMENT AS I WAS PUTTING THE WORDING SAYING, SO FOR LIKE, WHAT WOULD NOW BE OUR NUMBER FIVE IS THE NUMBER SIX.
YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT IN.
SO THEN FOR THE CONSENT, SINCE THAT DID NOT PASS, DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT IT ON THERE AS KEEPING IT FOR REWORDING NUMBER SEVEN? BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, NUMBER SEVEN WAS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO YOU WANT ME TO, YOU'RE GOING TO REWORD IT.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THEM NOTES OR WHATEVER, WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THERE.
AND I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER QUESTION, BUT MAYBE I CAN.
I JUST MOVED ON SOMETHING ELSE.
NOW I CAN SEE, UH, WAS INPUT FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT SOUGHT AS ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED.
SHOULD WE LEAVE THAT QUESTION AND COMMENT? ANYONE EVERYBODY'S GONE THE WAY? NO, I LIKE THE IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT, UM, INPUT WAS SOUGHT FROM VARIOUS MEMBERS.
I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE, THE, UM, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS QUESTION, YOU KNOW, UM, DID WE, DID WE ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT AND SENIOR STAFF MEMBERS QUESTIONS AND SO ON? UM, BUT, BUT I THOUGHT MAYBE THE WORDING AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO JOANNE'S POINT, SO INPUT FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT WAS SOUGHT, AS ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, I AM LOSING MY, MY, MY FOCUS WITH MY WORDS RIGHT NOW, BUT INPUT FROM, UH, NOW HELP ME HERE INPUT WAS SOUGHT AS ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED, BUT I THINK THAT THE INTENT HERE IS IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT TO THE TERMS OF THE STATEMENT.
YEAH, WE DID THAT, SO I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO YEAH, SO ANYWAY, I'M GOOD WITH LEAVING IT, UM, ESPECIALLY THIS FIRST GO ROUND.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ONE IN NOW.
I'M SURE THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE PROCESS.
WE'LL CALL THAT PROCESS INPUT FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT WAS SOUGHT, AS ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED.
UM, WE GET, WE GET OUR GOALS REALIZED UNLESS SOMEHOW THERE IS SOME KIND OF COORDINATION WITH THEM.
I FOR DAMN PUT, I MEAN, I RARELY LOOK FORWARD OR NOT, BUT MANY TIMES WE HAVE WE'VE DIRECTED THE SUPERINTENDENT SOMETHING.
SO THIS QUESTION IS AT WHAT LEVEL IS THAT DONE? AND THAT'S WHERE THE GRADING WOULD OCCUR.
INPUT FOR SUPERINTENDENT WAS SAW AS ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED NORMALLY AS THAT.
I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE OTHER FORM FORM FORMAT, THEIR, UH, OPINIONS OR COMMENTS OR SOMETHING ON THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE BETTER LEAVE THAT FOR NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ON WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
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I WOULD SUGGEST WE AT LEAST GO THROUGH THE SECOND PORTION OF THIS DOCUMENT TO FAMILIARIZE.I WOULD SAY I WAS WITH WHAT THE JEST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE AND HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER ADJUSTMENTS.
IS THAT MAKING ANY SENSE? YEAH.
WELL, MALBEC THE PROCESS QUESTION.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROCEED AS A COMMITTEE? BUT WE MEET ONCE A MONTH.
WHAT DO YOU ENVISION OUR SCHEDULE? I LIKE TO MEET TWO TIMES A MONTH IF POSSIBLE, BUT THAT'S AT THE AVAILABILITY OF MEMBERS AND DIED.
SO WE DON'T DO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IN TERMS OF THAT.
LOOK FOR SOME HOLES IN THE CALENDAR AND TRY TO APPROPRIATELY ACCORDINGLY.
DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? I THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE AT BEFORE, BEFORE THE TURNOVER OF OFFICERS, FOR SURE.
BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE SUCH, SO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A, OF SLOW GOING ITEMS. I MEAN, I SAW ABOUT 80 OR 80, MAYBE A HUNDRED ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE VENDING THAT DAY.
WE HAVE A PROCESS AND NOW WE KNOW WHAT OUR HOMEWORK IS.
BUT YEAH, I WAS STILL GOING TO BE THAT DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OF US, WE'VE GOT A VARYING OPINIONS.
[Discussion of Future Agenda Topics]
OKAY.ROBIN, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? BUT THEN THE NEXT TWO, WHEN IT FRIENDS TOO, UM, CALENDAR, CALENDAR, UM, WE HAVE NEXT WEEK OR YOU WANT TO START THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
I'D RATHER NOT BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A BOARD MEETING LIKE ON FRIDAY THAT WEEK.
OR LET ME GO TO A THIRD WEEK OTHERWISE, BECAUSE THE BOARD MEETING IS ON OCTOBER SIX.
UM, AND THAT INSTANT WE WOULD LEAVE, LEAVE, SET THE NEXT DAY OPEN IN CASE WE HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING.
THEN WE HAVE FINANCE ON OCTOBER 8TH, THEN THE NEXT WEEK.
BUT RIGHT NOW OPERATIONS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S SCHEDULED THAT FOLLOWING WEEK.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE ON THE NINTH? UM, THE NINTH, UM, YOU'LL HAVE A BOARD MEETING ON THE SIXTH, POSSIBLY ON THE SEVENTH.
YOU HAVE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE EIGHTH AND THEN IT'S MEET NOW.
THEN YOU'LL HAVE THIS MEETING ON THE NINTH.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE HAD A MEETING EVERY NIGHT.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I AM NOT ATTENDING ALL OF THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE ENJOY? JOANNE'S COMMENT.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HELPED ME DECIDE I'M AT THE WILL OF THE BOARD, THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT KNIFE.
YEAH, I IT'S, IT'LL BE A BUSY WEEK, BUT UH, I'M AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE A VERY FINITE PERIOD OF TIME IF WE WANT TO HAVE THIS DELIVERABLE DONE BY JANUARY ONE.
WHAT TIME? I DON'T PAY THEM MYSELF.
COULD WE DO A LATE MORNING PERHAPS? WELL, WHETHER YOU CALL AT 10 O'CLOCK YEAH, 10 30 OR SO.
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MAYBE 11, 11, 11 IS FIVE 11.SO YOU'RE MEETING AGAIN OCTOBER 9TH AT 11 O'CLOCK.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE FAILING THESE AGENDA.
THAT'LL BE A PART OF OUR AGENDA WILL BE, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, NOW GOING, GONNA SAY, TIM IS CHRISTIAN BURIED AT, UH, UM, MS. UH, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR MOTHER ARE DEFINITELY IN MY PRESENT.
MY THOUGHTS AND, UH, I, I JUST WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP PRAYING FOR Y'ALL.
WELL, ANYTHING ELSE? OH, NO, SIR.
DURING THAT, THAT SHE STILL CAME TO THE BEAN TODAY.
I, I ALREADY STATED MY APPRECIATION FOR HER AND STATED AGAIN, MS. TRICIA, IT'S WAVING YOUR HAND.
I CAN'T SEE TRICIA AND I AM, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, BUT YOU NOW I SEE ATTRITION, RIGHT? IT COULD IT, COULD WE POSSIBLY GO AHEAD AND SET THE SECOND DATE FOR OCTOBER AS WELL? OKAY.
YOU GOTTA OWN MEETING SCHEDULE OR THAT ACADEMIC COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED TRICIA 21ST.
THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO THE SAME DAY.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT MENTALLY.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.
YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M FLEXIBLE.
COULD WE DO THE 23RD AT 11? SO TWO WEEKS LATER, UH, THE 23RD AT 11.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M FINDING NOW REMEMBER.
WELL, NO, OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT MY CALENDAR YET, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO THAT FAR, THAT FAR YET.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT.
THE ONLY ROBIN KNOWS AND THOSE YOU MIGHT FINANCE AND YEAH.
THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THAT JOANNA AND THAT RESPONSE, THAT SOUNDS SWEET, BUT CHESTER HAVE NO PEOPLE TO, TO HAVE THE MEETING.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT, THAT, UH, I MEAN, UNLESS, WELL, IF THEN WHY SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THAT? AND THEN IT CHANGES THAT I JUST I'LL LET YOU, I'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
WELL, WE TO GO WITH IT THEN UNDER THAT THING THAT YOU MAY ME AND ALL THE 10, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
HOW ELSE CAN WE DO THIS THING FOR TWO HOURS THOUGH? ALL RIGHT.
NOW WE GET A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.