13. AN ORDINANCE REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PEPPER HALL AND OKATIE RIVER PARK JOINT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT

[9. AN ORDINANCE REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): ARTICLE 5, SECTION 5.6.50.E(2) TO ALLOW FOR MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO BILLBOARDS TO IMPROVE SAFETY STANDARDS DURING HURRICANES AND HIGH WIND EVENTS.]

REGARDING AMENDMENT. >> WE KNOW ABOUT THE CODE BILLBOARDS.

I THINK HODGES IS GOING TO PRESENT HEY EVERYBODY HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

I'M TO. I GOT MY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES FIXED.

I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN HERE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN THIS POWERPOINT. OK, HERE WE GO. BEAR WITH ME HERE.

I'M TRYING TO GET THE WHOLE SLIDE SHOW. THERE WE GO.

SO THIS IS ABOUT HURRICANE FRAMES. >> IT'S FINALLY I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A A BILLBOARD TOPIC THAT'S NOT SO CONTROVERSIAL LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST. WE'VE HAD A GREAT RECEPTION WITH THIS IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT. WE'VE PASSED THE SAME AMENDMENT AS WELL AS BEFORE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL. THEY'VE ALL BEEN INSTALLED.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THESE WITH THIS LAST LITTLE HURRICANE SCARE WE HAD WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S JUST KIND OF A FRAME SYSTEM UP ON THE BILLBOARDS ALONG THE ROADWAYS.

AND WHEN WE AS WE GO THROUGH IT THESE MIGHT JUMP ATTITUDE TO SOMETHING YOU'VE SEEN ON THE ROAD. BUT THIS BILLBOARD IS THIS IS THAT GRANGER AND ON THE LEFT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY DAY WHEN WE RIDE BY IT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT THE FINAL TAKEN OFF THE VINYL ADVERTISING. AND THAT SILVER THING YOU SEE ON THERE THAT IS THE HURRICANE MADE BASICALLY THIS IS A LIGHTWEIGHT METAL FRAME THAT GOES AROUND THE EDGE OF THE ADVERTISING FACE STRINGERS. AND I'LL TRY MY BEST TO EXPLAIN WHAT ALL THESE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS ARE OF THE BILLBOARD.

BUT THE STRINGERS BASICALLY. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW ON THE OUTDATED BILLBOARDS THAT WE SEE AROUND BEAUFORT COUNTY. THEY ARE THERE TO HOLD UP THE METAL FACE WHICH THAT FINAL SET ON. SO CURRENTLY WHEN WE COME IN WHEN A HURRICANE IS COMING, WE TAKE OUR WE HAVE OUR OUR CREW OF THREE OR FOUR GUYS AND WE HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO BRING IN A BOOM TRUCK AND THEY ALL GO TOGETHER ONE BY ONE THROUGHOUT OUR MARKET AND TAKE THESE METAL FACES OFF OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT THEY'RE SOLID METAL PANELS AND THE VINYL ATTACHES TO THOSE AND THEY LAY THOSE ON THE

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GROUND BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THESE THINGS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO TO BLOW OFF IN WEATHER PIECES AND BLOW OFF THE WHOLE THING BLOWS OFF IN A HIGH WIND SCENARIO.

THAT WAS THE OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY BACK THEN. SO THESE COME MANUFACTURING COMPANIES HAVE COME UP WITH A WAY TO MAKE THESE STRUCTURES NOT HAVE DEBRIS FLYING OFF OF THEM IN HIGH WIND SITUATIONS. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WANTS TO KNOW IS BE THESE FRAMING SYSTEMS. THEY DO NOT CONNECT TO THE ACTUAL SUPPORT SYSTEM OF THE BILLBOARD. WHETHER YOU HAVE METAL AND I BEAMS OR YOU HAVE THE WOODEN POLES THAT YOU SEE AROUND, NOTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ATTACHES TO ANY OF THAT WHICH COULD BE A CONCERN AS FAR AS ANYONE THINKING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO STRENGTHEN THE BILLBOARD. THAT'S NOT THE CONCERN HERE.

WE JUST HAVE A SITUATION WHERE DEBRIS CAN FLY OFF OF THESE THINGS AND THERE IS MUCH MORE MODERN TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE TO HELP THAT FROM HAPPENING DURING DURING STORMS. THIS IS A QUICK VIDEO OF ONE OF ONE PERSON WHO DROVE UP IN A PICKUP TRUCK REMOVING VITAL OFF OF A BILLBOARD WITH A HURRICANE FRAME. SO IT TAKES HIM ABOUT A MINUTE TO PULL THAT UP AND THEN TYPICALLY HE DID THIS FOR ME AS A FAVOR BUT TYPICALLY HE WOULD TAKE THAT ROLL IT UP AND THROW IT IN THE BACK OF HIS PICKUP TRUCK AND HE WOULD GO ON TO THE NEXT BILLBOARD. SO WHAT WHAT THIS DOES FOR US IS THIS ALLOWS ALL OF OUR OUR OPERATIONS STAFF TO GO INDIVIDUALLY TO OUR MARKET INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ALL TOGETHER. AND QUITE FRANKLY THEY THEY DON'T GET TO ALL OF THE BILLBOARDS. WE START WITH THE ONES THAT WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED THE MOST BY THE IMPENDING STORM AND WE GO THERE FIRST AND THEN WE TRY TO WORK THROUGH IT.

THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO GET THESE THINGS DOWN AND MAKE THEM MUCH SAFER DURING THIS DURING HIGH WIND EVENTS QUITE EFFECTIVELY. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT AGAIN WITH THE VINYL REMOVED SO YOU CAN SEE THAT FRAMING IF YOU SEE THE BRAND.

>> THE DARKER COLORED UPRIGHTS UP UP INTO THE INSIDE THAT FRAMING.

THAT'S WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. THAT'S JUST THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE ITSELF.

THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL THE STRINGERS. AND THEN THAT SILVER PART.

THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BILLBOARDS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY LOOK LIKE. THIS IS AN OUTDATED. THESE ARE JUST OUTDATED MODELS.

THAT'S WHAT WE DEAL WITH. THAT'S THE METAL PANELING BEHIND THE VINYL ADVERTISING THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD. MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THAT THING AND THAT FACING BUT IS WHAT IS LIFTED UP BY A BOOM TRUCK AND LAID ON THE GROUND SO THAT IT PREVENTS IT FROM BEING UP IN THE AIR AND THE POSSIBILITY OF IT FLYING OFF THE SIGN. THIS IS ANOTHER BILLBOARD JUST I TOOK THIS PICTURE TO SHOW THE STRINGER SYSTEM THAT IS THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE ACTUAL SUPPORT AND THAT THAT'S THE OLD STYLE THAT SILVER FRAMING WOULD GO AROUND THE EDGE.

JUST THOSE THOSE STRINGERS. SAME THING. SO THE MANUFACTURERS OF THESE HURRICANE FRAMES, THEY REALIZE THAT BILLBOARD COMPANIES DEAL WITH VERY STRICT SIGNED CODES.

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT SCENARIO. AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY HAVE MADE WOODEN AND ALUMINUM HURRICANE FRAMES AND THE IDEA WAS SOME BILLBOARDS ARE OLD WOODEN POLES STRUCTURES AND THE STRINGER SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY THE WOOD ITSELF.

SO THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS AN ARGUMENT THERE THAT IF YOU TELL A TOWN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT METAL ON SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAD ANY METAL ON IT ,THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT YOU COULD THEORETICALLY BE STRENGTHENING THE BILLBOARD. SO THEY DESIGN THE SAME THING BUT JUST OUT OF WOOD. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE SCENARIOS AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WE WOULD USE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STRENGTHEN ANY OF THIS STUFF.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT SAFER. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WHERE YOU HAVE A WOODEN POLES BUT IT ACTUALLY HAS THOSE SILVER STRINGERS ARE MADE OF METAL.

SO THAT WOULD TAKE A METAL FRAME THAT WOULD GO AROUND BUT IT WOULD ONLY CONNECT TO THE

METAL. IT WOULD NOT BE CONNECTED. >> THIS IS RIGHT THERE ON ROBERT SMALLS DOWN FROM THE LOWS. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

THIS WAS APPROVED IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT AND WE INSTALLED THESE NOT THAT LONG AGO RIGHT BEFORE THAT STORM HIT. BUT WOODEN POLES, EXISTING METAL STRINGERS YOU CAN SEE THE BROWN STRINGERS IN THERE NEAR THE CATWALK. AND THEN THAT SILVER THING IS WHAT? THAT'S THE ACTUAL HURRICANE FRAME JUST ALLOWS THE VINYL TO

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WRAP AROUND WHAT THEY DON'T DO . THEY DO NOT CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE FACE. THEY DON'T CHANGE THE HEIGHT. THEY DON'T STRENGTHEN THE BILLBOARD AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FACTOR OR YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T FACTOR TOWARDS THE SUPPORT AND MAIN THING THOSE ARE ALL POINTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE THINGS ARE INSTALLED NOBODY EVEN KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WAY THEY LOOK TODAY AND THE WAY THEY LOOK TOMORROW . ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S NOT ANY DEBRIS TO FLY OFF OF. THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS THAT I TOOK OF DAMAGED BILLBOARDS THAT DID NOT HAVE HURRICANE FRAMES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP PICTURE, THAT WHOLE BASE THAT WE WOULD BE STARING AT. DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD BLEW OFF.

AND AGAIN, IT'S DESIGNED TO DO THAT. THE THE ONE BELOW ON THE BOTTOM THAT METAL PIECE HANGING DOWN AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PANELS. SO THEY MUST HAVE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY SEPARATED INDIVIDUALLY AND BLEW OUT OF THE SIGN.

BUT THE THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE ITSELF IS MAYBE THING TOP ONE OBVIOUSLY THAT GOT DESTROYED AND IN THE BOTTOM. THE REASON I PUT THIS PICTURE IN HERE IS BECAUSE THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I THINK WE'VE FINALLY STARTED TO GET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM WITH THIS COMMENT. BUT THAT PICTURE THAT'S ACTUALLY A BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR US. BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT BILLBOARD SNAPPED OFF AT THE POLE SUPPORT COLUMN AND THEY DID IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE WE WOULD TAKE THAT BILLBOARD AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN UNDER THE WIND DAMAGE CLAUSE AND RE DO THE FOOTER.

THE POLE SUPPORT POLE AND THEN THE MAJORITY MIGHT BE THERE MIGHT BE A BROKEN LIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT OR IN SOME BENT CATWALKS. BUT ALL OF THAT CAN BE REUSED AND IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REBUILT. LOOK AT THAT TREND IS IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE PROJECT OR THE PRESENTATION BUT THAT MAKES THE BIGGEST POINT.

I FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS AND THAT IS THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS ON THESE OLDER SIGNS THAT CAN FLY OFF AND THERE IS A VERY EASY SOLUTION TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING FOR OBVIOUS SAFETY REASONS. AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS THIS WILL HELP US AS A COMPANY GET TO OUR MARKET INTO THE IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY AREA AND GET THESE THINGS BUTTONED UP BEFORE WE HAVE THESE STORMS ROLL THROUGH.

>> THAT IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HODGES.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MR. CRANE PLAY TO GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONCLUSIONS WERE PLACED.

SURE. I DEFER TO ROB MERCHANT ON THAT AS HE'S BEEN HANDLING THOSE

WITH MR. HODGES. GO AHEAD, ROB. >> KEEP THANK YOU, ERIC.

JUST REAL QUICK. YOU KNOW, FROM THE STAFF POSITION WE LOOKED AT WHY WE HAVE OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ABOUT BILLBOARD'S AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT COUNTY IS NOT ALLOWED ANY NEW BILLBOARDS SINCE THE EARLY 90S.

YOU KNOW, WE MADE A DECISION EARLY ON THAT THAT'S YOU KNOW, REALLY FOR BEAUTIFICATION PURPOSES WE WANT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS IN THE COUNTY WHERE LAWS READ THE BILLBOARDS THAT REMAIN IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY OR NONCONFORMING USES THAT THE COMPANIES ARE PERMITTED TO CHANGE THE CONTENT OR SIGN FACE OF THE BILLBOARD.

BUT OTHERWISE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE LIMITED TO COSMETIC CHANGES LIKE CLEANING OR PAINTING IN THE RATIONALE FOR THIS IS THAT THESE BILLBOARDS OUTLIVED THEIR USEFUL LIFE. THIRD, THEY'RE REMOVED AND NOT REPLACED.

I MEAN SO THAT'S THE CURRENT COUNTY POLICY REGARDING BILLBOARDS.

AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW THAT THIS DOES PROVIDE GREATER EASE IN REMOVING PANELS. YOU KNOW, PURSUE INTO STORM EVENTS THAT WE ALSO SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT COULD FOR LONGER LIFE THE BILLBOARD.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON THE STAFF TOOK A POSITION OF NOT SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

IT WENT TO THE PLANNING AND AND THERE WAS A SPLIT VOTE. SO NO RECOMMENDATION WAS FORWARDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACKED BY I'M SORRY I HAVE TO BACK UP.

THAT WAS A 5 TO 4 VOTE AT THE ZONING OR PLANNING I'M SORRY THAT WAS A 5 TO 4 VOTE IN FAVOR

OF ALLOWING THESE OK. >> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS THE VOTE WAS, YOU KNOW, REJECTING THE COUNTY'S RECOMMENDING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BUT THEY DID NOT

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SPECIFY SIMPLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE ROUND. BUT THAT'S NOT HOW I REMEMBER IT EITHER. I'M SORRY. I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT THERE WAS A VOTE AND THE VOTE WAS A 5 TO 4 VOTE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING TO YOU.

SO I GUESS IF THERE IS IF WE CAN FIND THAT OUT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THAT DOESN'T MATCH OUR MEMORY THEN WE'LL CHECK THE MINUTES. SO YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S OPEN IT UP. I SAW COUNCILMAN AND END UP WELL. WELL, WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

COVER THAT AND. >> MY QUOTE FROM GADDAFI WAS THE MURKY ASIDE FROM THE BILLBOARD SO ALL THE MINUTIAE OF IF CHING OR MINING VESSELS WAS IN THE AIR POCKET EXPLAINING WHY WE WOULDN'T VOTE FOR LIKE I APPROVE THIS IT WOULD BE SO LOCAL.

IT WAS ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE THE LEVEL ENOUGH TO GET A FEEL PRETTY BAD AND THAT WE DIDN'T

PAY THIS ACTION. >> SO I'M CURIOUS WHY THE STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY.

BUT APPARENTLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION A RAY HEAR ME FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.

THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A NO BRAINER FOR ME AND I DON'T SEE WELL I MEAN THEY

STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO REMOVE THE PANELS. >> I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE EASE OF REMOVING THE PANELS AND ENTITIES BALANCING THE ORIGINAL THEY EXISTING POLICIES CONCERNING BILLBOARDS. YOU KNOW, AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'RE MAKING IT KIND OF LIVE. YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THE BENEFITS OF SOMETHING VERSUS WHAT WE SEE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD PROLONG THE LIVES OF THE CONCHORDS. I SEE.

COUNCILMAN PURVIS SHANNON AND COUNCILMAN FASCINATE. LET'S GO AHEAD.

COUNCILMAN CARPER FROM OH THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED AT

THIS POINT. >> THAT STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS IS AN EFFORT TO PROLONG

THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD. >> SO IF WE COULD HEAR FROM ADAM'S OUTDOOR AS FAR AS THAT.

AND THEN ALSO PERHAPS STAFF AS WHY THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THIS WILL PROLONG THE LIFE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN I WAS SPECIFICALLY BUT THIS WILL NOT PROLONG THE LIFE AND THIS IS BASICALLY JUST REMOVING A PROJECTILE FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR SAFETY REASONS.

SO IT'S KIND IF I CAN PLAY IT'S GOT INFECTED LIKE A COMMENT THAT I'VE WATCHED THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE TOWN OF FORT WORTH, THE CITY OF. AND I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ABOUT THAT QUESTION THAT YOU JUST RAISED ABOUT PROLONGING THE LIFE. BUT I'D LIKE FOR FIRST MR. MERCHANT AND THEN MR. HODGES TO COMMENT TO YOUR QUESTION. GO AHEAD. ROB ROB, YOU'RE SO MUTED.

YEAH. WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THERE MAKING STRUCTURAL CHANGES THE BILLBOARD AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE AUDIENCE CURRENTLY ALLOWS IN A STRUCTURAL CHANGES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE RATHER OLD BILLBOARDS ARE GOING

TO PROLONG THE LIFE THE BILLBOARDS. >> OK.

MR. HATCH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COUNTERPOINT? SURE.

ROB JUST MADE A VERY GOOD POINT THAT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE BILLBOARDS ARE EXTREMELY OLD BECAUSE WE WORK UNDER A SIGN CODE THAT DOESN'T THAT THAT IS DESIGNED TO PHASE OUR INDUSTRY OUT OF BUSINESS. AND RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS WE GO IN THERE AND REMOVE THE FACES OF THE BILLBOARD WITH A BOOM TRUCK AND OUR THREE GUYS WHETHER WE DO THAT OR WE HAVE A HURRICANE FRAME INSTALLED ON THERE. IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING . SO ONE DOES NOT. ONE DOES NOT PROLONG IT ANYMORE WHERE IT'S THE SAME EXACT THING THAT'S HAPPENING WHEN WE REMOVE ITS FACES.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE CAN'T STRATEGICALLY GET TO ALL OF OUR INVENTORY.

WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO START A WEEK IN ADVANCE? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STORMS GOING A WEEK IN ADVANCE. SO THESE THINGS DON'T ATTACH TO THE STRUCTURAL TO THE SUPPORT SYSTEM OF THE MILK THEY'RE THERE'S NO OTHER ANSWER THAN THEY DO NOT LIKE THE SUPPORTS GET OUT ONTO WHERE BOTH SAYING JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE QUESTION CONTINUES TO BE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD. THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL HERE.

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OUR GOAL IS SIMPLY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE FACES OF SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE DEBRIS FLYING ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY AND SO THAT WE CAN HAVE EASE OF OPERATION. THAT'S IT.

AND I KEEP HEARING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT.

AND IT IS SIMPLY SAFETY CONCERNS FOR THE FACES TO BUY. THEY WILL FLY OFF AND EASE OF

OPERATION. THAT IS ALL. >> I THINK COUNCILMAN PASSIM IT WAS AN. COME BACK TO YOU. COUNCILMAN HERBERT, GET SOME INVESTMENT. YES. IN OUR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. THERE IS SECTION FIVE SIX POINT FIVE ZERO OF THE OFF COURSE PREMISE SIGN STANDARDS. IT'S UNDERLINED AND HIGHLIGHTED AT YOU KNOW THAT NEW LANGUAGE

OR IS THAT EXISTING LANGUAGE? >> THAT IS THE PROPOSED NEW LANGUAGE.

OK. SO THAT THAT DOES NOT EXIST RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? NO. 2 WHEN I WAS I WAS BASICALLY DIRECTED TO THAT BEING THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND I ACTUALLY FELT THAT EXCUSE ME I'M FLIPPING THROUGH I COME TO I HONESTLY I FELT LIKE IT WAS NUMBER THREE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED BY THAT THAT THE CHANGE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO AND I'M OPEN TO.

HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO SAY I TRIED TO MAKE IT AS IS SPECIFIC TO A MINOR MODIFICATION FOR HURRICANE SAFETY SO THAT IT'S NOT. NO, IT'S SO THAT IT'S NOT IT CAN'T BE MISCONSTRUED TO ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THE SUPPORT SYSTEM OF THE BILLBOARD

,I REALLY THINK NUMBER THREE IS WHERE THAT SHOULD GO. >> BUT THAT'S JUST ME AND I'M SURE THAT CAN BE CHANGED AT THE END OF THE DAY IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET SOMEWHERE WITH IT.

BUT COUNCILMAN SEAN, YOU HAD THE QUESTION. SO I'M NOT ENGINEER I'M JUST MAKING IT SEEM AS IF WE'RE TRYING TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD FROM THE

BILLBOARDS OR SOMETHING VERY OLD. >> WHAT YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT SUPPORT SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO THE FRAME AS IF THIS SUPPORT SYSTEMS ALL THAT'S FAILING THAT BILL WILL FALL OVER ANYWAY. I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO HOW THE TOP PORTION OF THE BILLBOARD EXTENDING THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD OF WHAT MR. MERCHANT OR MR. GREENWAY LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT PLEASE LET ME MAY ADDRESS THAT.

>> I'M GETTING SOME FEEDBACK AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM ALL OVER NOT COMING FROM ME BUT THE WITH REGARDS TO BILLBOARD CONSTRUCTION I THINK MR. ROGERS AND MISS MECHAM WILL

BACK THIS UP. >> MOST OF THE VALUE OF A BILLBOARD IS NOT EVEN THE VISIBLE PART OF THE BILLBOARD BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH DAMAGED BILLBOARDS IN THE PAST IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AS MOST OF THE MOST OF THE VALUE OF THE BILLBOARD FROM WHAT IT USED TO BE I HAD A BILLBOARD PERHAPS IN YORK COUNTY THAT WAS DAMAGED BY A TORNADO AND IT CANNOT BE REPLACED BUT BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION WAS NOT DAMAGED THEY WERE ABLE TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE IT DID MEET THAT DID SHOUT THRESHOLD.

SO THE POINT OF THE ISSUE AND REASON STAFF FEELS LIKE THIS PROLONGING THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD REDUCE THE LIBERAL PRESSURE WIN EVENT ON THE BILLBOARD WOULD MOST LIKELY OF TAKE EASE ON THE FOUNDATION OR EASE THE PRESSURE ON THE FOUNDATION WHICH MEANS THAT ESSENTIALLY THE BILLBOARDS NEVER GET TO THE OF BEING TO MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD IN THE CODE FOR DOING THIS. THAT'S THE REASON TOOK THAT

POSITION. >> ERIC ERIC LET ME ASK LET ME BACK TO THIS THAT COMMENT UP IF WOULD YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE THAT IF THE BILLBOARD WOODEN POLES SNAP DUE TO WIND PRESSURE ON THE TOP OF THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE IF IF THOSE SNAP THE CHANCES OF US REBUILDING THAT BILLBOARD UNDER THE CURRENT SIGN CODE WITH BRAND NEW POLLS WHICH THAT WILL AS A 100 PERCENT PRO THE LIFE OF THAT BILLBOARD IS PERFECTLY LEGAL UNDER YOUR 50 PERCENT AS LONG AS YOU CAUSE AS LONG AS YOU COULD GIVE DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD PROVE THAT THEN YES.

YES. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHEN YOU REFERENCE THE 50 PERCENT RULE THAT TYPICALLY TO THE VALUE IS IS UNDER THE

FOUNDATION. >> SO WHAT I'M WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT IS IF WE IF WE MIGHT MAKE THESE MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE A HURRICANE FRAME, THE CHANCES OF THOSE WOODEN PULL UP THE WOODEN SUPPORT POLES BREAKING ARE ARE KEPT AT THE SAME KEPT IT WHAT THEY ARE NOW. BECAUSE UNDER YOUR CODE IF THEY BREAK WE ARE ALLOWED LEGALLY TO

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TO REBUILD THAT BILLBOARD STRUCTURE USING THE 50 PERCENT RULE WHICH I SAID I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITUATION AND I'VE BEEN BUILDING BILLBOARDS AND IN THE INDUSTRY FOR 18, 19 YEARS I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THE 50 PERCENT RULE DIDN'T GO IN THE FAVOR OF THE BILLBOARD BUT THEY SAID I HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK THE TOWN OF OIL MAY HAVE WHAT TWO OR THREE BILLBOARDS? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN THE CITY OF B FOR HAS PROBABLY A LOW NUMBER. HOW MANY BILLBOARDS DO WE HAVE

IN BEAUFORT COUNTY? MR. GREENWAY? >> I WOULD NOT KNOW THE ANSWER

TO THAT QUESTION UNFORTUNATELY. >> OK. SORRY TO BARGE IN THE OPPOSITION. I KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE. WE HAVE FORTY FIVE STRUCTURES IN UNINCORPORATED UNINCORPORATED 25. OK.

OK. SO I JUST WANTED THAT NUMBER OUT THERE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR MR. HODGES IN YEAH .

THIS IS THIS IS JOE SAID TO THE STAFF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. IF THIS AMENDMENT IS SUCCESS FULL, WOULD THAT ALLOW THESE HURRICANE STRUCTURES TO BE PLACED ON THE CURRENT BILLBOARDS? YES, OK. NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND PROVE THAT WHAT THEY'RE ADDING TO THE EXISTING FRAME AND MR. ATKINSON CAN ASSIST WITH THIS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE OF THE POLLS, IF YOU WILL, IN THE END OR THE POLL WOULD BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE WEIGHT OF THAT FRAME AND ALSO BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAMP WHEN LOADING REQUIREMENTS UNDERNEATH THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING

HERE. >> SO I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

ARE YOU ASKING US TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE MODIFICATION FOR HURRICANE OR ARE YOU ASKING US FOR US TO LITERALLY BYPASS THIS TO APPROVE THE HURRICANE NOW WHAT WHAT THE STAFF IS NOT ASKING FOR EITHER ADAMS OUTDOOR IS ASKING FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CDC THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ADD HURRICANE FRAMES TO THE EXISTING BILLBOARDS IN THE COUNTY. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THAT. BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBLEMATIC IN THAT IT COULD EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE BILLBOARD THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE GAVE YOU SOME INCORRECT INFORMATION EARLIER. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TEXT A MEMO ON ALL 5 4 VOTE CULTURALLY I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OF THE FORTY FIVE BILLBOARDS IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY OR ANY OF MY METAL POLES

OR THEY WOULD. >> OH YES THERE ARE SO I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER BUT

YES THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME. >> IN FACT ONE OF THE PICTURES I PUT UP WAS STEEL MONOPOLE. AND LET ME PUT SOME BACKGROUND TO THAT.

YOU KNOW WHEN A LOT THE MAJORITY THESE BILLBOARDS THAT YOU SEE ON WOODEN POLES THOSE ARE OUTDATED. THAT WAS WEAK. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE WAY THEY WERE BUILT BACK THEN. AGAIN WE WORK UNDER A SIGN CODE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ANY ANY UPGRADES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

YOU COULDN'T BUILD MOST OF THE SIGNS NOW THAT ARE THERE NOW. YOU COULDN'T READ.

YOU COULDN'T BUILD ON THE WAY THEY WERE BUILT. NOW YOU WOULD BUILD THEM TO CURRENT BUILDING CODE. WE'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH THEM.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BYPASS RULES. OK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ME? MADAM CHAIRMAN A MATTER MADAM CHAIR, IF I ELABORATE ON SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER TO BOW ABOUT THE POLES SNAPPING OFF SO LONG AS THE EXISTING FOUNDATION OF THE SIGN COULD BE USED IN SOME WAY NOT EXCEED THAT THRESHOLD THAN WHAT HE STATED AS ACCURATE IF THEY HAD TO. OF COURSE IF THEY HAD TO BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION AND INSERT NEW POLLS THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CURRENT TO D.C..

>> OK UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MADAM CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A MOTION HAVE QUESTION FIRST WAS RIBAUT.

ALL RIGHT. KEN CARLSON. GO AHEAD.

TWO PART QUESTION IS ADAMS THE ONLY BILLBOARD COMPANY IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND DOES THIS ONLY APPLY TO ADAMS WAS JUST GOING TO APPLY TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COMPANIES? I'LL LET MR. GREENWAY ANSWER THAT. IF THE THE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION THE FIRST PART I'D I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE A FEW OTHER BILLBOARDS IN THE

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COUNTY THAT ARE OWNED BY OTHER BILLBOARD COMPANIES. AND THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS YES, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE TO THE CDC FOR ANY ONE THAT HAS AN OFF PREMISE SIGN OUT OUTDOOR ADVERTISING DISPLAY IN THE COUNTY REGARDLESS OF THE COMPANY.

>> THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. COUNCILMAN FERGUSON, I WAS THINKING OH THANK YOU.

>> BOARDS HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AS THE ONE YOU KNOW OURS IS. I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY ONES WITH CURRENTLY WITH HURRICANE FRAMES IN THIS MARKET. THEY MIGHT BE IN THE CITY BUT I

THINK THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT EXIST. >> OK, SO ARE THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE THE START OF THE MOTION OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

COUNCILMAN FOILING. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND SECTION FIVE POINT SIX GOING 5 0 E PARAGRAPH 2 TO ALLOW A MINOR MODIFICATION TO SIGN PHASE TO IMPROVE HURRICANE SAFETY I.E. HURRICANE FRAMES MAY BE PERFORMED AS LONG AS THE SOUND FINE SIGN FOUNDATION IS NOT INCLUDED SO AS TO IMPROVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE IN THE HURRICANE SAFETY MODIFICATION IS THERE SITE CARE MIGHT LIKE ALL RIGHT. SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? YES. COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. >> THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT SAYING ONE THING AND STAFF SAYING SOMETHING ELSE.

I'VE LISTENED CAREFULLY TO THE TWO BOTH SIDES AND CONCLUDED THAT THE SPIRIT OF OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE IS TO DO AWAY WITH OUTDOOR OUTDOOR BILLBOARDS PERIOD.

AND THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF IT. THAT'S THE LETTER OF THE I THINK NEWSPAPERS BILLBOARD.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HEAR ABOUT BILLBOARDS BUT NEWSPAPERS AND OTHER.

ANOTHER HARD COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA ARE SLOWLY BUT SURELY OR QUICKLY MOVING TO TO THE INTERNET AND THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. INVASIVE INTRUSIVE ADS POP UP ON OUR PHONES ALL THE TIME. THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS IS HEADED.

SO WITH NO DISRESPECT TO THE NO DISRESPECT TO ADAMS OUTDOOR OR ANYBODY ELSE I'M GOING SUPPORT STAFF ON THIS AND I'M GOING TO VOTE NO FOR THE ORDINANCE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. I'D LIKE A MOTION FOR ME. THIS IS PURELY A SAFETY ISSUE.

TO PREVENT FLYING DEBRIS IN CASE OF STRONG WINDS AND HURRICANES.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S UNFAIR FOR TO REQUIRE THIS BUILDER TO USE OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY, THIS PERSON TO USE OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY TO SAFEGUARD THEIR INVESTMENT.

I JUST THINK IT'S IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE ON THOSE TWO COUNTS.

>> COUNCILMAN ROTHMAN WAS IN AND COUNCILMAN COVER. COUNCILMAN RUDMAN.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE THIS ORDINANCE EITHER ACCELERATES OR DECELERATES THE DEMISE OF THE EXISTING BILLBOARDS AND THEREFORE I'M KIND, BRIAN, THAT IT'S A IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE WORTH DOING. COUNCILMAN COVER MADAM CHAIR, A COUPLE OF THINGS. AGAIN, I WILL POINT AS WELL, DAVID, THAT THIS ISSUE OF I COULDN'T IMAGINE NOT DOING THIS HAVING A WIND EVENT AND HEARING THAT SOMEONE GOT STRUCK BY SOMETHING ALONG THOSE. SECONDLY, AS SOMEONE WITH ENGINEERING IN MY CAREER, EVERYTHING THAT I LOOKED AT WITH THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE UNIT AND THIS REPRESENTS YOU THAT WOULD BROWN IS VERY LADY.

>> I DON'T SEE THAT AT ALL. YES, MOST OF THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE.

THESE ARE OUR CODE IS WRITTEN TO EVENTUALLY WON THOSE OUT. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I WILL SAY AS A BUSINESS MAN ON THE MOST CAPITAL BILLBOARDS ON TERMINAL PART OF BUSINESS AND THE CENTRAL PART OF I'VE DEALT WITH ADAMS ALONE ARE WHICH I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO VIDEOS THAT I'VE HEARD THOUGH. BUT OVERALL THIS IS THE SAFETY ISSUE IF IS AND WE'LL BE VOTING TO OK. MY ONLY COMMENT IS SIMILAR FOR COUNCILMAN SOMMER IN THAT I DO THINK FOR ANOTHER REASON WE HAVE 45 OF THESE. THIS IS I LISTEN TO THEIR PRESENTATION. THIS WILL BE THE THIRD TIME FOURTH TIME.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY ISSUES BUT I AM GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.

SO LET'S HAVE A ROGUE POLICE BEFORE WE TAKE THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

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ARE WE VOTING TO MOVE THIS TO COUNTY COUNCIL OR CAN THE DECISION BE MADE HERE?

>> YES, SIR. STEP FORWARD IF THE COUNTY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH VISE VISE CHAIRMAN DAWSON.

ALTHOUGH YES. >> COUNCILMAN PAT SUMMITT. >> YES, COUNCILMAN RODMAN.

YES, COUNCILMAN GLOVER. YES, MA'AM. CHAIRMAN, I WANNA SPEAK BECAUSE I GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK EARLIER. OH, I'M SORRY I DON'T SEE YOU.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I'M A VOTE YES TO IT FOR THE SAFETY ASPECT OF PROBABLY WANT TO COMMAND STAFF FOR MAKING A RECOMMENDATION I KNOW IS A HARD DECISION.

I COULD SEE IT BOTH WAYS GOING WITH THE BOTH SIDES OF IT. IT'S TOUGH BUT I'M A LEAN ON

THE SIDE OF SAFETY AT THIS TIME AND VOTE YES. >> OKAY COUNCILMAN HERBICIDE YES. COUNCILMAN MCCLELLAN, SEE YOU ON.

YES. >> OKAY. IS THERE? YEAH. LEAVE ANYONE OFF. THAT'S IT.

OKAY. SO PASSES WITH TWO IN THE NEGATIVE BOTH.

>> ALL RIGHT. YOU READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM?

[10. AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT / REZONING REQUEST FOR 3 PARCELS (R600 021 000 0003 0000; R600 021 000 002A 0000; R600 021 000 003A 0000) ON GRAVES ROAD FROM T2 RURAL TO C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED-USE; APPLICANT: JUDY GRAVES, KEVIN GRAVES, JAN MCKIM]

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THE ZONING OF THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 10 AN ORDINANCE TO BRING A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT WHICH ZONING QUEST FOR THREE PARCELS FROM T TO RURAL TO SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES USE.

THE APPLICANT IS JUDY GRAVES, KEVIN GRACE AND JAMIE KIM AND IS MR. GREENWAY GOING TO PRESENT THIS OR MR. MERCHANT? MR. MERCHANT. OKAY, GO AHEAD.

>> ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO DELEGATE THIS TO NOAH KREBS. I BELIEVE HE'S ON.

I SAW HIM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YOU HAVE SOME THINGS TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, MR. KREBS COMPUTED YOU'RE STILL MUTED

THERE. >> THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SHARE.

JUST A MAP. I CAN. AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT SARAH HAS THE FLYOVER DRONE FOOTAGE AS WELL. SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE VIEW

HERE. >> MY EBOLA SCARE. THERE WE OK.

>> WE SEE CAN YOU SEE MY ADOBE ? >> WE END UP WITH HIM.

I'LL GET. SO THIS IS AS MADAM CHAIR SAID THIS AS A ZONING REQUEST FOR THREE PARCELS THAT TOTAL FOUR POINT TWO ACRES THERE ON THE VERY NORTHERN END OF GRAVE'S ROAD. THE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY TOO RURAL.

AND THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY BE AMENDED TO SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AS YOU CAN SEE SORT OF RIGHT. KEIGO ONE THE ON ONE I'M SORRY . THERE WE GO. AS YOU CAN SEE THE OKATIE RIVER ABUTS THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE EAST IS BERKELEY HALL P YOU D.

ABOUT NINETY TWO ACRES DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THESE PARCELS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESOUND TO SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND THIRTY THREE ADDITIONAL ACRES HAVE BEEN AMENDED TO SEE FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE. THOSE ARE THE THE AREA DOWN JUST NORTH OF 278.

JASON PEPPER HALL ROAD. SARAH IF YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PLAY THAT FLY OVER VIDEO NOW I THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THAT DONNY TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN.

>> JUST AS A REMINDER WE HAVE STARTED DOING THIS WITH THE FLY OVER TO GIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AN

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OVERVIEW FROM FROM A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH I THINK IS HELPFUL

IN SOME CASES IN MOST ZONING CHANGE CASES. >> SO THIS IS THE VIEW STARTING OUT OBVIOUSLY FROM 278 LOOKING NORTH AT GRAEME'S ROAD AND I KNOW IT'LL TAKE YOU UP THE LENGTH OF GRAVE'S ROAD. THIS AREA'S THAT YOU SEE IT RIGHT RIGHT UP AGAINST YOU.

IT IS WHERE IT IS ZONED C5 CURRENTLY AND THEN YOU'LL SEE BERKELEY HALL ON YOUR RIGHT.

AND IT'S PRETTY CHOPPY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE CATCHING EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO SHOW AS THE ROAD ENDS HERE AT THE AT THE RIVER ON THE LEFT IS THE FOUR ACRES.

>> WE'RE ALREADY A FEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS RIGHT THERE THEN THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE RIVER LOOKING BACK AT GRACE ROAD, THE TERMINUS, OK. SO AS I SAID, THERE IS A LARGE AREA SOUTH OF THESE PARCELS THAT ARE ALREADY SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

THE DISTRICT IS A MODERATE DENSITY DISTRICT MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

IT ALLOWS THE DENSITY OF TWO POINT SIX SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS PER ONE ACRE.

THERE ARE ALSO VERY LIMITED MULTI FAMILY AND OFFICE USES AS WELL AS FUEL SALES THAT ARE CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT. BUT THE APPLICANTS HAVE STATED THEIR INTENT TO KEEP THE PARCELS IN THE FAMILY AND POTENTIALLY DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS FOR FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE FUTURE. STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT THE C 3 ZONING WOULD HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY LAND'S INCLUDING THE RIVER FOR THIS FOUR POINT TWO ACRES AND THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING THAT ALL LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS ARE MET WITH THAT INTO THE FUTURE. AND JUST TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT ON JULY 6.

THERE WAS A PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE ON A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS DEFEATED WITH THREE MEMBERS VOTING 4 AND 4 MEMBERS VOTING AGAINST APPROVAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. CITY COUNCILMAN ONE QUESTION OF ALL THE FUR ACCOUNTABLE CARE WHERE HE HAD HIS HAND UP. FIRST OF ALL GO AFTER WELL I COULDN'T I COULDN'T SEE HIM. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN CULVER, I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.

YOU YOU MEDICARE SAID THAT THE WHAT BEING A KEY USE IT FOR TO DO THIS SUDDENLY OR IS IT THOSE

THAT DO WHAT THEY THAT THEY NEED? >> JUST IF YOU'RE ASKING IS IT

CURRENTLY HAS TO DO WITH TEND TO DO WITH IT RIGHT. >> YES.

WELL, A MUCH LOWER DENSITY AND SO WITH THE FOUR POINT TWO ACRES IF THEY SO CHOSE CHOSE TO PURSUE A MINOR VISION AND PIECE A FEW A FEW SMALLER PARCELS OFF TO A YOUNGER FAMILY MEMBER OF HOMES THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH WITH THE DENSITY YOU ARE CURRENTLY OR MEDICARE YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FROM WAITING FOR BETWEEN THOSE TWO OR IF YOU KNOW THE IDEA OF BOTH MR. CRAPS CAN WERE YOU AT THE MEETING WHEN THEY VOTED? YEAH.

THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE OKATIE RIVER.

WE DID EXPLAIN THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT COMPARED TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED IN THAT AREA. BUT THEY DID THEY DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE RIVER FOR ANY ANY FURTHER DAMAGE WAS A CONCERN TO THEM. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN DRIVER THERE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. BHUSHAN. YEAH, THANKS, MIKE.

MY QUESTION WAS WHY DID STAFF DIFFER IN THEIR OPINION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ANSWER AND A QUESTION. DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I GUESS THEY HAD A QUORUM BUT THIS IS. WELL, NO, BUT THAT WAS I DON'T REMEMBER STAINED OR FOR WHAT REASON? I DON'T KNOW IF ERIC ROBB

REMEMBERS MR. GREENWAY OR I DON'T KNOW. >> WHY DO WE KNOW THERE WAS

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SOME CONFUSING ABOUT THE REQUEST EVEN TO THE POINT OF SOME COMMISSIONERS ASKING ME

ABOUT. >> WE THOUGHT IT WAS ONE TO WOW WHAT COMMERCIAL USE IS TO BE ESTABLISHED THAT GRAVES WROTE IN HER ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT OCCURRING WOULD BE REMOTE BECAUSE IT IS SO FAR REMOVED FROM 278 AND THE REZONING REQUEST IS ESSENTIALLY ACCURATE. WE HAVE THE ADJACENT ZONING IN THAT AREA AND ALSO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN BERKELEY.

THAT IS A P D. SO WE WE DO NOT HAVE CONCERNS. >> OK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCILMAN HERBICIDE? YEAH.

NOW I'VE GOT A QUESTION. WHAT SORRY. WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE COULD THAT BE? THAT'S THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE IS WOULD THIS BE ON SEWER OR WOULD THIS BE ON SEPTIC THERE? THERE ARE VERY SMALL OFFICE AND SERBIA DEUCES I THINK THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IS THE MAXIMUM THERE WOULD CONDITIONALLY BE PERMITTED UP TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES GAS STATION AND FUEL SALES WAS THE ONE THAT WAS THE KICKER FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS I BELIEVE OTHER THAN THAT'S NOT THINKING OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT WOULD ANOTHER COMMERCIAL

USE BUT THERE IS NO NO EXISTING WASTEWATER RIGHT? >> THERE IS NO THERE IS A THIRD NO YEAH THERE I MEAN IT ALL HAS WATER AND SEWER BUT THAT'S AS CLOSE AS IT GETS.

THERE'S NOTHING RUNNING UPGRADES ROAD OR ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THESE PROPERTIES ON THE WEST

SIDE OF GRAPES ROAD. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT REALLY IF I

MIGHT. >> YEAH. OKAY.

I THINK YOUR GET HIS HAND UP FOR QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, OK?

>> NO, NO BRIAN, I CAN GO GET AND GO AHEAD. SURE.

YOU KNOW MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS LET'S SAY FOUR TIMES TO POINT A YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY ELEVEN NEW HOUSE DESIGN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND ELEVEN NEW SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN AND THAT IS MY OVERRIDING CONCERN RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT FUEL SALES. I DOUBT THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM.

SO I THINK FOR NOW UNTIL UNTIL THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF THIS BEING HOOKED UP TO TO YOU FOR GAS, FOR WATER, SEWER AUTHORITY I'M GONNA SAY NO FOR NOW. I THINK COUNCILMAN GLOVER, YOUR COMMENTS I THINK ARE JUST IT WASN'T THE SAME LINE THAT BRIAN AND CHRIS RAISED DEALING WITH

THE SOIL VERSUS SEPTIC SYSTEM. >> SO LET'S ANSWER THAT. I AGREE, BRIAN, ON THIS HERE.

THE OTHER ONE WAS ACTUALLY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS SO CLOSE TO THE OKATIE.

IS IT 50 FEET OR IS IT 100 FEET SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSING UNIT? IT WOULD BE. THERE WOULD BE SOME 60 FEET SET BACK FROM THE CRITICAL LINES UP BY HACK AND THEN 100 FEET FOR THE SEPTIC TANK FROM THAT SAME LINE.

SO YOU KNOW, FOUR POINT TWO ACRES IS ONCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT SETTING UP RIBAUT FERGUS AND FURTHER SETBACKS FOR SEPTIC AND SO FORTH THAT IT DOES START TO DWINDLE THE SPACE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BUILDABLE RIGHT THERE ON THE RIVER. COUNCILMAN RODMAN YEAH.

>> JUST A QUESTION. >> DOES THE AS THE GRAVES DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GET THE WATER AND SEWER THERE OR IS IT TOO FAR REMOVED FROM THAT? I CAN'T PICTURE IT EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS. I HAVE A FEELING THAT SOME POST ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAN ME.

>> IT WOULD NOT IT WOULD NOT GET THE SEWER ALL THE WAY TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE TO TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY AND ADD SEWER THEY WOULD HAVE TO STAND THE PEPPER HALL GRAVES ONES FROM THAT PROPERTY DOWN TO THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET WHERE IT WOULD TERMINATE. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.

SOME OF A COMMENT BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE WE APPROVED ARABS OWNED EIGHTY NINE ACRES FOR ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEIR OKATIE WHICH HAS BEEN OUR

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OVERRIDING OBJECTIVE AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. >> WE SPENT 80 80 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS TO PROTECT THE OKATIE AND THEN WE TURNED AROUND AND UP ZONED EIGHTY NINE ACRES.

COURSE WE ALSO GAVE THE APPLICANT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR STRIP ALONG THE RIVER. SO I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FROM WHERE I SIT TO TO SAY TO ROBERT GRAVES. YEAH GO AHEAD AND BUILD A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MULTIFAMILY WHATEVER HE'S GOING TO BUILD THERE AND THEN TELL HIS OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS NO.

WE REMEMBER THE WAY WE ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM WITH ROBERT GRAVES AS WE SAY HE REFUSED TO GIVE US A THE 18 ACRES THAT WE NEEDED WHICH HE COULD USE HIS OPEN SPACE IF HE WANTED TO DO THAT.

SO WHAT DO WE TELL THAT HIS I GUESS HIS COUSIN. THEY KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOUR COUSIN BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU. I THINK I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BE FAIR AND I THINK IN FAIRNESS IF WE'RE GOING GONNA VOTE THIS DOWN WHICH MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE OUT TO PROTECT THE OKATIE RIBAUT THIS DOWN I THINK WE OUGHT TO SEND OUR REPRESENTATIVE ROLE CRITICAL LENS OVER THERE AND TRY TO WORK OUT SOME DEAL TO PUT AN EASEMENT ON IT.

BUT JUST TO TELL HIM NO, I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNFAIR GIVEN WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR ROBERT GRAVES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. QUESTION FOR US.

FOR STAFF IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> YES, SIR. GO AHEAD, ROB.

ROB, WHENEVER WE DID THE TEXT A MEMBER OVERALL LADY'S ISLAND REGARDING THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUE, DID WE ALSO MOVE TO MAKE THAT COUNTY WIDE OR WHERE DOES THAT PARTICULARLY STAND AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR THAT WAS OUR INITIAL GOAL WAS TO EXTEND THAT COUNTY WIDE AND IF THAT IF THAT WERE TO BE DONE THEN THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN DENSITY ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THIS ISSUE.

AND I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THE COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT ARE DESIGNED TO WITH THE RIVER BUFFER STANDARDS IN THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, STANDARDS FOR THE RIVER THAT ARE DESIGNED TO MITIGATE SUCH IMPACT. SO I'D JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU MAKE THIS DECISION. BUT ROB, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE WE STAND ON THE ON THE LOT SIZE WITH REGARDS TO SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUES FROM THE FOR THE ENTIRE

COUNTY? >> WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT AND COUNCIL ADOPTED I BELIEVE BACK IN APRIL TO CHANGE IT TO THE LATEST FILING PRESERVATION DISTRICT WHICH REQUIRES SOMEONE TO BE HOOKED UP TO SEWER IN ORDER TO GET THE DENSITY THAT THAT DISTRICT.

WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THE NEXT STEP WHICH IS IDENTIFYING COUNTY WIDE DISTRICTS WHERE WE ADOPT A SIMILAR POLICY SO THAT YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THE DENSITY WOULD BE THE SAME REGARDLESS WHETHER

THEY HAD SEPTIC OR PUBLIC SEWER. >> I THINK WE DECIDED TO CARRY THAT FORWARD AS A PART OF THE PLAN UPDATE AS A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM AN

ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE NOT. >> YEAH, I MEAN IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING IN THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD INITIATE EVEN SOONER IF SO THE ANSWER IS IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THIS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. CORRECT.

OK. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN

COVER THE MINI AIRPORT? >> YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT SIDES.

THIS IS A GOOGLING FALL ALL OVER AGAIN. THE ONE OR DID WHITEHALL THINK THIS IS FOOD OR PUBLIC OR BEING WANTING IN PUBLIC SEWER WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO WHITEHALL? OKAY. OH, IT WOULD HAVE SEWER AND ONE .

>> YES. COUNCILMAN PESSIMIST. YES.

IF IF THIS IN FACT IS APPROVED AND THEN YOU DO THE AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT COUNTY WIDE REGARDING SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WOULD IT THEN APPLY TO THIS THESE PARCELS OF LAND IF THEY WERE NOT DEVELOPED BEFORE YOU DID THE AMENDMENTS? THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IT WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GREAT. THEY'RE REALLY NOT GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE THEY HADN'T BEEN DEVELOPED ANY EXISTING GOT ANY EXISTING LAW THE SIZE OF THE FORCE TO BE GRANDFATHERED BUT NEW LOTS WITHOUT TO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THAT TEXT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED A

ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS ONE FOR SURE. >> YES.

COUNCILMAN RUDMAN? YEAH. I THOUGHT PAUL MADE A VERY INTERESTING COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER THIS LENDS ITSELF TO THAT PRESERVATION THROUGH THE RURAL AND CRITICAL. AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER IF THERE'S ANY URGENCY TO DO THIS OR COULD THAT BE EXPLORED AND INCOME BACK IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS DEFER TO MR. GREEN

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LIGHTED IN MY. >> IF I MIGHT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GET OUT OF IN FROM CAR TAYLOR ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF ENTERTAINING AND ANY KIND OF MOVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY WHILE WE ARE CONSIDERING ZONING CHANGE. I THINK THAT'S VERY PRETTY.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO HONESTLY I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

AND THEN IF IF THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM CHOOSES TO LOOK AT THIS AS A SEPARATE MATTER TOTALLY OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF COUNTY COUNCIL'S DECISION, THAT'S THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING. JUST SAY THE COUNCIL HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE.

I DO BELIEVE THE FAMILY IS WORKING TO PLACE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS ON SOME OF THE FAMILY OWNED PROPERTY IN THAT AREA. THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE PEPPER HALL PROPERTY BUT I DO

NOT KNOW THOSE DETAILS. >> MR. TAYLOR KURT A I AGREE WITH MR. PHIL BELLINGHAM.

>> MADAM CHAIRMAN, I WILL. YES. >> COUNCILMAN SNOWMOBILE RICE IS SAYING REAL QUICK. SO DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I THOUGHT WHERE WE USUALLY GET INTO TROUBLE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS VERY POSITION SEVERAL TIMES THAT I CAN RECALL AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WE DON'T PUT IT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. WE DON'T OFFER TO BUY BY THE PROPERTY AND FEE AND THEN THEY ZONE IT AND THEN WE END UP PAYING A TON OF MONEY FOR AN EASEMENT ON IT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO GET IN FRONT OF THAT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE AND PUT A PUT A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON IT NOW RATHER THAN REQUESTING UP ZONING, I THINK NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. COUNCILMAN SMITH, YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 10 AS WRITTEN AS THE ACTION ITEM FOR

THE REZONING. >> CORRECT IS. IS THERE A SECOND? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE MOTION BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING

COMMISSION WAS DENIAL. >> THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS APPROVAL.

CAN I HEAR THE MOTION FRAMED AS EITHER AN APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION? EITHER ONE OF THOSE MY

PESSIMIST. >> WILL YOU STATE WHICH WHICH WHICH IS YOUR PREFERENCE FOR

THE MOTION? HI BILL. >> DIDN'T WE HEAR THAT THE

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 5 4 TO OPPOSE THEY OPPOSED IT 5 4. >> CORRECT.

OK. THEN MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT FALL TO THREE OR TO THREE.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT COUNCILMAN GLOVER'S THE BILLBOARD WAS 5 TO 4.

YEAH. OK. SO IT WAS DENIED FOUR TO THREE BUT MY MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ON THE BASIS OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF

OUR STAFF TO REZONING FRAUD. >> I HAVE A SECOND. >> SIR SECOND SAY NO HANDS RAISED HER. OH COUNCILMAN COVER A SECOND AT RIGHT.

>> LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS PLEASE. COUNCILMAN PARSIMONY WAS THE MAKER MOTION. HOW DO YOU VOTE YES. COUNCILMAN COVER EDDIE BUTLER.

I RIGHT. COUNCILMAN DAWSON VISE CHAIRMAN HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. COUNCILMAN SOMERVILLE, HOW DO YOU VOTE YES?

>> COUNCILMAN PHIL WELLING? >> NO. COUNCILMAN RODMAN YES.

>> YES. IT COUNTS WHEN GLOVER NO COUNCILMAN HERB BHUSHAN NO

COUNCIL MOVEMENT MET ELLEN EVERY COUNCILMAN. >> NO, WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY.

SO WE HAVE TO TWO COUNT. AS CHAIRMAN I WILL VOTE YES. SO THE COUNT IS SIX IN FAVOR AND FIVE AGAINST SO IT PASSES AND IT WILL GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS A HERE I BELIEVE THAT A 6 4 FOR JUST FURTHER LIKE I SAY 6 5 I'M SORRY.

>> THAT'S OK. I CAN'T COUNT WHAT CLARIFY CLARIFY.

MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD 6 4. ALL RIGHT.

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BECAUSE COUNCILMAN MARC KLAAS IS NOT HERE. ALL RIGHT.

[11. AN ORDINANCE REGARDING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): APPENDIX B TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE D3 GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD (D3GN), THE D4 MIXED USE (D4MU); THE VILLAGE CENTER (D5VC), AND THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR (D5GC) DISTRICTS ON DAUFUSKIE ISLAND.]

SO NO GOING ON WITH THE AGENDA TAX AMENDMENT TO THE CDC APPENDIX B TO REMOVE THE MAXIMUM SCIENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR MINOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THE D 3 GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD THE D FOR MIXED USE VILLAGE CENTER AND A QUARTER DISTRICT'S ON THE FIRST

SKI ISLAND IN AS MR. MERCHANT TO ADDRESS THIS. >> GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AS YOU MENTIONED THESE THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENT THAT THE FUSCA ISLAND CODE WHICH IS APPENDIX B OF OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE. JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND ON BACK IN JANUARY SOME 19 COUNTY COUNCIL APPROVED A REVISED PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT FOR TO FUSCA ISLAND'S AND THE GOAL OF THAT PLAN IS CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, YOU GET SUMMARIZED QUICKLY IS TO ESTABLISH WALKABLE COMMUNITIES THAT THE FERRY LANDINGS. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN GOALS OF THE PLAN IN ADDITION TO PRESERVING THE REMAINDER OF AND PART OF THE RATIONALE IS THAT IF THEY CAN GET THE SORT OF CRITICAL MASS OF DEVELOPMENT AT THESE FERRY LANDINGS, THEN THERE'S A GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH WITH THE ISLAND AND ALSO FOR SERVICES AND RETAIL EVENTUALLY TO DEVELOP ON THE ISLAND. SO THAT'S KIND OF IT IN A

NUTSHELL SOME OF THE STRATEGIES IN THAT PLAN. >> SO THEY HAVE SOME FAIRLY HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE ZONING AND LOCATIONS AND THIS COULD DO IS DEVELOPED BY TWO CONSULTANTS ON THE ISLAND WAS KIND OF TOUGH . BONO FOR THE DEFENSE SKI ISLAND COUNCIL THAT ADOPTED SOME FEATURES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT ZONE AND SOME OF OUR INTENTS DISTRICTS WHICH IS TO HAVE A MAP OF IT RATHER THAN HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE HAVING A MAXIMUM BLOCK SIZED. THE RATIONALE IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE A CERTAIN DENSITY IN AN AREA OF YOU DO THAT BY HAVING A MAXIMUM LOT SIZE SO YOU DON'T HAVE KIND OF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT OR LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD YOU KNOW I GUESS HINDER AN AREA OF YOU BECOMING THE GROWTH AREA THAT'S INTENDED TO IN THAT I THINK THE INTENTION ALL WELL AND GOOD AT THIS STAFF WE IMMEDIATELY RAN INTO AN ISSUE WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER SIMPLY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY INTO TWO PARCELS AND THEY DID NOT WANT TO MEET THEM.

THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE OF 20000 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN ADDITION WHERE THIS IS LOCATED IT IS QUITE A DISTANCE FOR MANY PUBLIC SEWER. SO WE FELT THAT THE ORDINANCE THE WELL-INTENTIONED WAS ENCOURAGING SMALL LOT SIZE IN THE AREA WHERE IT AT THIS POINT PUBLIC SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE. WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS IS TO MAKE A CHANGE SO THAT ANY MINOR SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD BE FIRES I GUESS WOULD BE BEFORE LOTS OR LESS THIS MAXIMUM SIZE WOULD NOT APPLY. IT WOULD APPLY ONCE SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A MAJOR SUBDIVISION IN A FIVE OR MORE LOTS OR ANY SUBDIVISION WITH NEW ROADS. THE RATIONALE IS THAT SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS IF SOMEBODY IS JUST LOOKING TO SPLIT A LOT OR TWO THAT'S NOT HUGE IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OR THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. IF THEY START DOING A MAJOR SUBDIVISION WITH MORE LOTS THEN THAT'S WHEN WE'RE SAYING YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT HIGHER DENSITY THAT THAT DISTRICT CALLS FOR IS GOING TO HAVE A MUCH GREATER IMPACT.

YOU KNOW IT BEGIN TO ESTABLISH THE CHARACTER THAT THEY'RE CALLING FOR IN THAT AREA.

SO WE'RE KIND OF MAKING A MINOR CHANGE HERE. SO IF YOU'RE DOING A MINOR SUBDIVISION, ONE OR TWO SPLITS OFF OF AN EXISTING LOT THAT MAXIMUM LOT SIZE DOES NOT APPLY MAJOR SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD APPLY. SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AND ITS STAFF. I REALIZE IT'S IT GETS A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS IN THE CODE BUT I THINK IT COULD STILL ACHIEVE THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT WITHOUT BECOMING A HARDSHIP FOR PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY WANT TO DO A SMALL SUBDIVISION .

WHEN YOU SAY I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR UP BROTHERS WOULD YOU SAY SMALL SUBDIVISION? HOW MANY ACRES MAXIMUM WOULD THAT BE? PROBABLY.

WELL, THE SUBDIVISION IS BASICALLY FOUR LOTS OR LESS. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. I REMEMBER I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE COACH SAID ABOUT THAT

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. ALL RIGHT. LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

ANYONE I SEE THIS IS KIND OF A CLEAN CLEANUP THING. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THE FSB IS VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY CONTINUE TO TWEAK THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE. THEIR REPRESENTATIVES NOT HERE TONIGHT. BUT WE DIDN'T GET INFORMANTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

IS MARK HERE OKAY, MADAM? YES, GO AHEAD. SURE.

BRIAN, FOLLOW ALONG. GO AHEAD. MARK HERE AND.

NO CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SUPPORTING A RECOMMENDATION OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL SECOND OKATIE MIGHT COVER IT. SECOND DISCUSSION IS THERE ANY

DISCUSSION OF CHAIRMAN WAS LIKE ALL OVER COUNCILMAN GLOVER. >> GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SEPTIC TANK.

JOHN SUPPORT FOR THIS AREA. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN. DOUG LOOKING AT ALMOST A THIRD OF AN ACRE OR SO TO SUPPORT THE SEPTIC UNIT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S SUFFICIENT OR NOT. BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW.

AND I YOU KNOW, EVEN THERE WAS THE FUNKY WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY BUILDING OUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT A WHOLE LOT OF UNITS OUT THERE AND YOU GOT SEPTIC

TANK PROBLEMS AND STUFF. >> SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE REPORTS THAT WILL BE NEGATIVE AT THIS TIME. SO THANK YOU. I'LL POINT OUT YOUR THAT ACTUALLY IN GREASES THE SIDE. BUT WHAT IN SHRINK THE NUMBER OF TIMES IT CAN BE THEN RIGHT NOW WE ARE ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT IN CERTAIN AREAS AND AS A LARGE WHAT IS DISCOURAGED IN OUR CURRENT CODE AND WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS IN THOSE AREA WHERE THERE IS NOT A SEWER SYSTEM YET WHERE THERE'S NO USE FOR A FOR WATER SEWER AUTHORITY HOOK IT ALLOWS A LARGE LOT ENHANCE FEWER SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AM I RIGHT IN THAT?

ROB, YOU ARE SORRY SORRY. >> YEAH. BUT BASICALLY I THINK IT WOULD MOST THE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE SEEING IN THE FOURTH AT THIS POINT ARE SMALL LOT SPLINTS AND THIS WOULD NOT BE IMPOSING THAT TWENTY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT MAX.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IT'S MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TRYING TO AVOID A LOT OF SMALL LOTS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THE HOPE IS IF SOMEBODY IS WANTING TO DO A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS THEY MIGHT BE REACHING THAT THRESHOLD WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD TO BRING PUBLIC SEWER OR SOME SORT OF PACKAGE SYSTEM. ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE CALLED THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE FOR

THIS AND THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN TOILING. >> HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN COVER HOW DO YOU VOTE BY.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO COUNCILMAN DAWSON. YES, COUNCILMAN PASSIM YES.

COUNCILMAN SOMMER BILL. YES. COUNCILMAN RUDMAN.

YES. COUNCILMAN CLOVER. YES.

COUNCILMAN HARBHAJAN YES. COUNCILMAN MCKELLEN. YES.

AND I WILL VOTE YES TOO. SO IT HAS UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

[12. ZONING MAP AMENDMENT/REZONING REQUEST FOR 18.3 ACRES (R100 024 000 032A 0000, R100 024 000 0276 0000, R100 024 000 030C 0000, AND R100 024 000 033A 0000) AT THE INTERSECTION OF BAY PINES ROAD AND LAUREL BAY ROAD FROM T2 RURAL AND S1 INDUSTRIAL TO C4-COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED-USE DISTRICT; APPLICANT: ROBERT DEEB.]

ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS A REQUEST FOR EIGHTEEN POINT THREE ACRES AT THE INTERSECTION OF BAY PINES ROAD AND MORAL BAY ROAD ZONING AMENDMENT FROM T TO RURAL AND S ONE INDUSTRIAL TO SAVE FOR COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT.

>> THE APPLICANT IS ROBERT THEEB AND IS THAT GOING TO BE MR. GREENWAY OR MR. MERCHANT OR IS GOING TO BRIEF US ON THAT ONE? IT'LL BE ME.

OK. I'M GOING TO SHARE A SCREEN REAL QUICK.

>> OK, JUST BEAR WITH ME. OK. CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES WE CAN. OK, WELL AS YOU MENTIONED THE CHICKEN IS ROBERT D.

HE'S REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER BUT THE THE ACTUAL OWNER OUTREACH AND EQUIPMENT RENTALS

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AND LS LINK CONSTRUCTION. AND BASICALLY THEY ARE THE CURRENT OWNERS BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS. THIS IS IN THE BURDEN AREA.

YEAH. AT THE INTERSECTION OF LAUREL BAY ROAD AND BAY PINES ROAD AND IT'S BASICALLY FOUR PARCELS WITH A TOTAL OF EIGHTEEN POINT THREE ACRES.

I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO THE MAP SO YOU CAN SEE. >> OK.

SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING T FOR COMMUNITY CENTER MIXED USE. I APOLOGIZE.

I'M MISSING THE EXISTING ZONING MAP. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PROPOSED THING. IF YOU SEE THE POINTER. YES, WE CAN.

OK. THIS SQUARE PARCEL HERE WHICH IS ABOUT 10 ACRES THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RURAL AND THEN THE REMAINING TONES IN S1 INDUSTRIAL TO MATCH WHAT IS SURROUNDING THAT SO YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH SQUARE THIS CORNER HERE YOU HAVE YOUR INDUSTRIAL AND THEN THIS PARCEL OVER OF FURTHER CITY EAST IS AND S1 INDUSTRIAL IN THE APPLICANT.