Aug 24, 2020 County Council Special Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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WHO WON EVERY ONE I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING TO NETWORKS OF MONDAY AUGUST 24TH TWENTY TWENTY AS I CALL YOUR NAME WOULD YOU PLEASE RESPOND THAT YOU ARE PRESENTLY MR.

COVERT PRESIDENT MR. DAWSON. >> PRESENT MR. FLEMING. >> PRESENT MR GLOVER.

PRESENT MR. HERR MICHONNE ROSA . >> MS.

HOWARD. >> IS IT MR. LAWSON? MARK LAWSON PRESENT MR.

MACALLAN. >> MR. MCKELLEN I DON'T SEE YOU MAN YET.

WELCOME BACK MR RODMAN PRESENT MR SOMERVILLE RESIDENT COUNCILMAN PASHMAN IS PRESENT THEREFORE TEN OF US ARE PRESENT AT THIS MOMENT I DO NOT SEE COUNCIL PERSON MCKELLEN ON AS YET. OK. I HAVE ASKED MR. RODMAN IF HE WILL CONDUCT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED VACATION IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND HE WILL TAKE THAT NOW MR RUDD WOULD PLEASE COPY WOULD RISE PLEASE JOIN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WHICH WAS POINTS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN A MOMENT OF SILENCE. IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT WHEN WE LOSE ONE OF OUR OWN PARTICULARLY AT SUCH AN EARLY AGE.

BUT WE DID LOSE DAVID JACKSON VERY RECENTLY. SO A MINUTE OF SILENCE IF YOU WILL. A MOMENT OF SILENCE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE DO LIFT UP THE JACKSON FAMILY. WE ASKED FOR COMFORT COMFORT FOR THEM DURING THIS DIFFICULT TIME WHEN THEY LOST HER. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS VIRUS AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE FAMILIES THAT HAVE LOST LOVED ONES AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. THERE'S A LOT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS AND CERTAINLY DIFFICULT DECISIONS FOR MANY FAMILIES.

SO WE JUST ASKED FOR GUIDANCE AND COMFORT FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC . WE ALSO LIFT UP THOSE THAT ARE SOMEWHAT IN HARM'S WAY.

CERTAINLY OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE MEDICAL PIECE WE CERTAINLY HAVE ALL OF OUR MEDICAL WORKERS. WE HAVE OUR TEACHERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH HAVING ALL OF THE KIDS COME BACK AND THE POTENTIAL OF THE VIRUS BEING SPREAD.

WE ASKED FOR COMFORT AND PROTECTION FOR ALL OF THEM TONIGHT.

WE ASKED FOR OUR WISDOM IN OUR DELIBERATIONS AND WE TRUST THAT OUR DELIBERATIONS WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU. WE ASK FOR ALL OF THIS AND JESUS NAME AMEN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED INCOMPLETE PLANS WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AT I WOULD LIKE

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> MAY I HAVE SUCH SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. FLEMING HAS MADE THE MOTION

TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. >> MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? >> SECOND, MR. SOMERVILLE HAS MADE THE SECOND. DULY NOTED THAT WE HAVE PROPER APPROVAL AND SECOND AND WITHOUT

X WITHOUT OBJECTION THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. >> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS?

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SEE NO OBJECTIONS. >> THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. OUR NEXT ITEM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHORT EXECUTIVE SESSION TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE RELATING TO PENDING AND POTENTIAL CLAIMS COVERED BY THE ATTORNEY CONLIN ATOP ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

>> SO CAROLINA CODE SECTION THIRTY DASH FOUR DASH SEVENTY A TWO.

>> MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? LOOKING I SECOND IT. THIS IS YORK, OK?

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>> I'M SORRY TO PEOPLE MADE THE MOTION AT THE SAME TIME. CAN YOU TELL ME WHO MADE IT

FIRST? >> NO. BILL WAS ONE BUT I DON'T KNOW

ABOUT THE FIRST RULE. >> OK, MR. SOMERVILLE, YOU WILL BE THE MOTION MR. GLOVER YOU WILL BE SECOND DULY NOTED IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS THE MOTION WILL BE TO GO INTO

EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT OBJECTION. >> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS SAYING NO OBJECTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL NOT BE IN THERE VERY LONG. PROBABLY NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL KNOW FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. MACALLAN HAS JOINED US.

>> YEA OK, THEY'RE BACK. OK.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THERE ARE NO ITEMS COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT ARE

[7. CITIZEN COMMENT (Every member of the public who is recognized to speak shall limit comments to three minutes ‐ Citizens may email sbrock@bcgov.net, or comment on our Facebook Live stream to participate in Citizen Comment)]

GOING TO REQUIRE ANY SPECIFIC ACTION BY COUNTY COUNCIL. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS CITIZEN COMMENTS. THE CITIZEN COMMENT SHOULD PERTAIN TO THE TWO ACTION ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTING THIS EVENING. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WHICH IS A THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE IMPOSE A BEAUFORT COUNTY UNIFORM LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE CHARGE FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD. AND A CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE EFFECT OF THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE 2020 ALL THREE REQUIRING FACE COVERINGS IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE A GOOGLE DOC DOCUMENT. I KNOW THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING THERE WERE A LARGE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD SENT EMAILS TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PEOPLE AND THE COUNCIL IN GENERAL. I KNOW SPECIFICALLY THAT I RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 77 EMAILS.

SIXTY TWO OF THEM WERE SAYING THAT THE MASS COORDINATES SHOULD CONTINUE AND 15 OF THEM INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE MASK ORDINANCE TO STOP. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMON SENSE PERTINENT TO EACH OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE CAN HAVE TO COMMENT?

>> MR. HERO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

THE COMMERCIAL IS FLOWING IN WELL AS BUSINESSES AND OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS SIGNS POSTED OR QUOTE MADE FOR A QUIET NIGHT COMES IN QUOTE AND DENIES INSURANCE AND SERVICES TO ANY INDIVIDUAL IS IN VIOLATION OF AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.

IF THE INDIVIDUAL INDICATES THAT THEY ARE UNABLE TO WEAR A MASK, PLEASE.

AND THEN HIS QUESTIONED ABOUT THE REASON THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE HEPA EACH INCIDENT IS A SEPARATE VIOLATION STEEP PENALTIES. THE COUNTY COUNCIL EXTENDS THE RESOLUTION TELLING THEY NEED TO AMEND OR REQUIRE EACH LICENSE BUSINESS AND OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS RECEIVE IN WRITING INFORMATION ABOUT CALLS TELL THEM TO A PLACE SIGNS BY THE LEAGUE OR WIRED IN SUGGEST THAT THEY SUBSTITUTE OTHER SUCH AS REQUESTED OR SUGGESTED.

>> THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS FROM IRIS SHED. >> DO NOT EXTEND THE MASK MANDATE STAMPS DO NOT SUPPORT DOING SO. THERE WERE 900 53 CASES DURING THE FOUR WEEKS BEFORE THE MANDATE AND TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FOUR CASES IN

THE FOUR WEEKS AFTER THE MANDATE. >> THAT IS A ONE HUNDRED TWENTY THREE PERCENT INCREASE IN CASES ANY DROP IN CASES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS BE PULLING BACK AND TESTING DEATHS HAVE BEEN DROPPING SINCE WEEK ENDING 7, 25, 40 PERCENT OF THE 60 KILLING REPORTED DEATHS WILL HAVE BEEN A NURSING HOME. ANY EXTENSION WILL BE GIVEN INTO IRRATIONAL FEAR RATHER THAN CONSIDERING THE ACTUAL ADVISING BY WHICH PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW PROPORTIONS THEY ARE UNTIL THEN CALM AND ALLOW TO OUR DAY.

>> THANK YOU MR. STRINGER. >> YOU HAVE PUT UP THE GOOGLE DOCS? YES. OR DO YOU WANT IT BACK UP? YES.

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I WILL NOT COMMENT ON ANY OF THEM OTHER THAN TO READ THEM. IF COUNTY COUNCIL SO DESIRES ONE DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THE MASK ORDINANCE TO BE EXTENDED.

>> IS THERE ANYONE NEED ANY OF THESE TO BE READ? >> ARE THERE ANY FACEBOOK? I'VE GONE ON FACEBOOK AND I I DON'T EVEN SEE US ON FACEBOOK RIGHT NOW.

>> WE'RE ON ARE WE'RE ALL CARRYING IT OUT. I READ TOO THAT.

>> OK. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO. ARE THERE ANY OTHER.

IS THERE ANYTHING REGARDING THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND SITUATION? >> I KNOW THERE WAS ONE BUT IT SAID IT WAS DIRECTED FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TONIGHT BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE AND THIS IS NOT AN IMPACT FEE. THEY MIXED UP THE IMPACT FEES

VS. TONIGHT'S AGENDA ITEM. >> OK, ALL RIGHT. SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO

[8. THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO IMPOSE A BEAUFORT COUNTY UNIFORM LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE CHARGE FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND]

SO MOVEMENTS FOR CHAIRMAN. >> I'LL SECOND MISS HERMAN. OK.

WE HAVE A DULY MOTIONED FROM MR. HERMAN SHAWN SECONDED BY MR. WONG AND I WILL OPEN THE

FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN HERE ,MR. HIRSCHHORN? DID YOU SAY MR. KOVAC GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MY COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE TO YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE WORLD HAS SO CALLED A LOT OF LEADERS. THERE'S ONLY A FEW HERE AND THERE THAT YOU GET TO MEET IN YOUR LIFE THAT ACTUALLY SHOW LEADERSHIP. MR. CHAIRMAN, I COMMEND YOU FOR THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES, BEHIND THE TV, ALL OF THAT DOWN IN THE

TRENCHES. >> I CONGRATULATE YOU AND HONOR YOU WITH THAT KIND OF

LEADERSHIP WHICH I ADMIRE. >> I APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS OF YOU.

THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. THIS IS ANY TIME THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS LIKE THIS.

THIS IS TOUGH. THESE WILL HAPPEN AGAIN BECAUSE WE'LL BE COMING OUT OF TIER 1.

MORE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL, WITH LEADERSHIP SUCH MUCH YOU'VE SHOWN WE WILL GET THROUGH AND WE'LL GET THROUGH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THOSE KIND WORDS AND I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS EVERY CITIZEN IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

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CHAIRMAN. >> GO AHEAD, MR.. I WOULD ARGUE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT TOWN OF HILTON HEAD IS NOT LIVING UP TO ITS OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE REIMBURSEMENT TO BEAUFORT COUNTY OR IMPLEMENTATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AS EVIDENCED BY THE ENGINEERING STUDY WE HAD CONDUCTED BY TISCHLER BICE, THE CITIZENS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY ARE OWED SOME MONEY.

>> AND AS IT STANDS NOW, ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS OF COUNTY BESIDES THOSE AROUND IN THE TOWN HEAD ARE BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OR AT LEAST A LARGE PORTION OF IT ON THE TOWN OF HILL IN THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD.

AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO THE REST OF OUR CITIZENS THAT JUST SHOULDER THAT BURDEN.

I THINK TIMING OF THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THAT THIS BE BE ADDED TO OUR TAX BILL. IT NEEDS TO BE CARRIED OUT INTO THE TAX BILLS OF THE TOWN OF THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN HILTON HEAD.

IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SOON SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. ANY DELAY MIGHT CAUSE US TO NOT BE ABLE TO MEET CERTAIN CALENDAR REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE OUR TAX BILLS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY ISSUED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE APPROVE THIS AND APPROVE IT TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> FOOLING MR. LAWSON, YOUR NEXT YES. >> THANK YOU.

AND I ALSO KNOW RATHER WHAT MIKE CULVER HAD SAID. JOE, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

BUT GOING BACK TO THIS WHOLE ISSUE, IT IS NOT AN EASY ONE. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN THAT THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD MOST FOLKS HAVE ALWAYS DONE THEIR FAIR SHARE.

THEY ARE VERY GENEROUS PEOPLE. AND I USED TO LIVE IN HILTON HEAD, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AS PEOPLE SAY, OH, IT'S OUT OF REVENGE IF THIS IS ALL POLITICAL, WHICH IS IT AND IT'S NOT AT ALL.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD MADE A BUSINESS DECISION THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO PAY THIS FEE THAT THEY PAID FOR YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS THAT THAT WE THINK THAT THEY'RE MORALLY OBLIGATED AND ALSO LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PAY. AND AND SO THEY MAKE THAT A BUSINESS DECISION. THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO COVER THIS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPLETE BUSINESS DECISION FOR US TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. ONE OPTION IS WE CAN DO NOTHING WHICH HAS MR. PLOWING JUST ELOQUENTLY SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS THE TAX BURDEN BACK ON THE REST OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE ALREADY.

WE CAN DO. WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS GOING TO PUT A TAX ON THE FOLKS OF HILTON HEAD IN THIS COUNTY OF HILTON TO PAY FOR THIS AMOUNT.

BUT AGAIN, IT IS BEING INCURRED BY US SOMETHING THAT AGAIN AS TOWN AS THIS POUNDING THAT YOU'RE EXPECTED TO COVER YOURSELF WHEN YOU BECOME A INCORPORATED ON THIS.

APPARENTLY THE THIRD THING IS IS IF WE GO AHEAD AND JUST SAY, OK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THING BUT WE HAVE TO RAISE TAXES THEN FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY. SO WE END UP RAISING TAXES ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY TO COVER THIS EXTRA COST. AND WHEN HILTON YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT, HILTON HEAD IS ANYWHERE FROM 50 PERCENT 60 PERCENT OF OUR TAX BASE.

SO THEY'RE REALLY PAYING FOR THIS AGAIN ANYHOW. IT MIGHT BE A SMALLER AMOUNT BUT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THEIR TAXES GO UP TO COVER THIS 50 AND AGAIN WHY ARE WE DOING IT IS BECAUSE THE TOWN HALL HAD WANTS TO ALLOCATE THIS MONEY SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO I WILL VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT . AGAIN, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ALSO OTHER THAN US TRYING TO COVER MONEYS THAT WE RECEIVED AND WE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE OVER THE YEARS.

>> SO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS OF MR. RUDMAN. YOUR NEXT YEAH.

>> I'LL BE BRIEF. I WON'T REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

MY ONLY THOUGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE IN ONE OF THESE THINGS AND THAT WE WOULD BE WELL SERVED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND SEE OVER THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS WHETHER WE COULD START TO REACH AGREEMENT ON ALL OR PART OF THIS.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT IS LOST IN DOING THAT. THE AUDITOR PREPARING FOR THIS.

WE'LL DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK AS IF WE WERE GOING TO IF WE DID IT AND THEN DECIDED TO PULL IT. SO I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS THE AUDITORS WORK AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS. EVERYBODY'S GOT FIRM POSITIONS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY

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SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THIS THIRD READING TO OUR FIRST MEETING IN

SEPTEMBER WHICH IS SEPTEMBER THE 14TH. >> THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, THAT'S ALL. YES. MOORE YES.

OK, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT IS TO AMEND THIS TO POSTPONE THE DECISION BY MOVING THIS TO THE SEPTEMBER 4TH 14TH MEETING. SO IN FACT THE WORDING SHOULD BE AND I HAD IT HERE A MOMENT AGO. I JUST HAVE TO FIND THE PROPER VERBIAGE FOR IT. BRIAN MOORE I'M LOOKING FOR IT. MAYBE YOU AS PARLIAMENTARIAN

WOULD KNOW THE EXACT VERBIAGE THAT WE HAVE TO DO. >> SURE.

IT SURE IS SIMPLE ENOUGH. IT IS EXACTLY A MOTION TO POSTPONE YOUR FINAL READING AND THAT'S THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A VALID MOTION AT THIS POINT IN OUR PROCEEDING.

>> YES. SO IT IS I MOVE THAT THIS MATTER BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE

SEPTEMBER 14TH COUNCIL MEETING. >> THAT WILL BE THE AMENDED THE MOTION TO AMEND.

IS THERE A SECOND? YES. SECOND.

MR. MCKELLEN HAS DULY MADE THE SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM MR. RODMAN A SECOND. MR. MACALLAN TO POSTPONE ANY ACTION UNTIL SEPTEMBER 14TH.

THIS IS DEBATABLE. AND I WILL NOW OPEN IT FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NO DISCUSSION, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION BY ROLE PLAYED, SIR.

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE WILL BEGIN WITH MR. RODMAN. YES, MR. MACALLAN.

YES, MR. COVERT. >> NO, MR. DAWSON, NO. MR. FLOWING? NO. MR. GLOVER. NO MR. HERB ROSHAN? NO. MS. HOWARD.

NO. MR. LAWSON. MARK LAWSON?

NO. >> MR. SOMERVILLE. NO.

IN THE CHAIR SHAKE. >> NO. THE MOTION IS DEFEATED.

NINE. NO. TWO? YES. WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT.

GO AHEAD, MR. HERBERT SHAWN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK IT'S IT'S UNFORTUNATE

WHERE WE ARE. >> IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR THE COUNTY.

>> IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF MILTON. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME.

FOURTEEN OR 15 MONTHS AT LEAST BY MY COUNT AND HILTON HEAD IS THEM AND TO THEIR WORD THEY'VE TOLD US LAST YEAR WE'RE GONNA PAY. AND HERE WE ARE.

THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE THAT GOES BACK TO NINETEEN EIGHTY THREE WHICH FRANKLY IS BEFORE I WAS BORN THAT SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO GET DON'T HAVE TO ME WHICH I USED TO ENGAGE WITH THE COUNTY TO FOR POLICE SERVICES VIA THE SHERIFF.

>> AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU KNOW WE CAN'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITHOUT CONSIDERATION.

WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERED YOU JUST CUT OUT CHRIS. >> GET ME UP.

>> OKAY. WHILE CHRIS WAS TRYING TO COME AREAS I'M OKAY.

YEAH. >> SO THEY SAID IT'S FOUR POINT FOUR MILLION.

WE CAME BACK WITH A NUMBER DALE AND HEAD. THE LAST WE OFFERED LAST WEEK WHICH WAS LOWER THAN THAT. I SAID NO. AND WE SAID WELL YOU'VE ALREADY COLLECTED THIS MONEY FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS. WHAT WITH IT? FRANKLY WE DIDN'T CARE. REALLY GREAT ANSWER ON THAT. SO YOU KNOW THE FOLKS AT HILTON HEAD YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE ALREADY COLLECTED THIS MONEY IN THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY WHOLE.

SO HERE WE ARE. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. >> THANK DISTRIBUTION VERSION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO BE MADE? >> SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS, I

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I WILL BEGIN WITH MR. HERVEY SEAN. >> YES, MR. FLEMING? YES. MR. CULVERT. HI, MR. DAWSON.

YES, MR. GLOVER. YES. MISS HOWARD.

>> MISS HOWARD. YES. YES.

MR. LAWSON. MARK LAWSON. YES.

MR. MCCOLLUM. NO. MR RODMAN? NO. MR. SOMERVILLE. YES.

CHAIR SAYS NO. >> I MEAN THE CHAIR SAYS YES. THE MOTION IS ADOPTED NINE.

YES. TWO NO. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE CITIZENS OF HILTON HEAD JUST LIKE YOGI BERRA SAID IT AIN'T OVER TILL IT'S OVER.

I WOULD OFFER TO MEET IN PERSON OR ON A ZOOM OR WHATEVER MEANS WE SEE NECESSARY TO COLLECTIVELY HAVE TOWN COUNCIL AND A MYSELF AND ANY OTHER MEMBER OF COUNCIL SIT DOWN TO SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A REASONABLE SOLUTION BEFORE THIS IS AND ACTED AS AN ACTUAL FEE.

SO I OFFERED THAT SUGGESTION MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. CHAIRMAN FOR YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

GOT IT. YEAH. WHAT DOES ONE COMMENT? I SUPPORTED THE MOTION AND I TRUST THAT THIS MOTION WILL GIVE YOU A STRONG HAMMER TO USE GOING FORWARD IN YOUR NEGOTIATIONS. THANK YOU.

[9. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE EFFECT OF EMERGENCY ORDINANCE 2020/03 REQUIRING FACE COVERINGS]

>> THANK YOU SIR FOR THAT COMMENT. ITEM NUMBER NINE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION FROM SOMEONE FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE EFFECT OF THE EMERGENCY ORDINANCE 2020 03 REQUIRING FACE COVERINGS ALMOST CHAIRMAN.

>> I LIKE IT. OK, MISS HOWARD, I HEARD YOU AS THE SECOND MOST CORRECT.

>> WHEN I HEARD YOU AS THE FIRST RECORD OF OK, I WILL OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION.

>> ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS IF I MIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. FOLLOWING I BELIEVE THAT THE DECISION TO WEAR FACE COVERINGS SHOULD BE LEFT TO EACH INDIVIDUAL.

I THINK IT IS THE POLITE THING TO DO. I THINK IT IS THE BEST THING TO DO. I THINK IT'S IN. IT MAKES GOOD COMMON SENSE FOR PEOPLE TO WEAR THE FACE COVERING WHEN THEY GO INTO STORES, WHEN THEY'RE WALKING AROUND IN RESTAURANTS AND EVEN IN CERTAIN OUTDOOR SITUATIONS IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE WHEN PEOPLE ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER WHEN SOCIAL DISTANCE CAN'T BE MET.

WHEN VENTILATION IS POOR IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. BUT I FEEL IT'S IT'S INAPPROPRIATE JUST AS I FELT WHEN WE STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT IT'S ALSO INAPPROPRIATE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MANDATE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE'S ACTIVITY WITHIN A SPECTRUM. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MANDATE IT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO DISAGREE WITH ME BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE

THIS BE A ROLL CALL VOTE, SIR. >> NO PROBLEM. OTHER COMMENTS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT MR. HER. THANK YOU.

AND SARAH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PUTTING UP WHAT I SENT YOU TODAY.

I VOTED FOR THIS LAST TIME. >> I THINK THAT CANDIDLY THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH LAST TIME I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GOOD. BUT THAT IS TESTAMENT TO THE CHAIRMAN'S LEADERSHIP. AS WAS NOTED ON THE LAST ITEM NOW SAVING HIS COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE NO. AND I FEEL LIKE IT WAS A REALLY CATHARTIC EXERCISE FOR COUNCIL TO GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE. THIS ORDINANCE AND PUT TOGETHER WHAT WE DID GETTING AS MUCH BUY

IN AS WE DID. >> HOWEVER, YOU KNOW THIS THIS HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE AND IT'S

OBVIOUSLY A REALLY BIG DECISION. >> IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION AND WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT'S WORK.

NOW GIVEN WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE PASSED THIS I THINK IS JULY 1ST WHEN THE EFFECT JULY 3RD.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC. LET'S START SOMETHING AGAINST THE WALL, SEE WHAT STICKS. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE EFFICACY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. I HAVE YOU KNOW, I WOULD ECHO

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IT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL PERSON. BUT APART FROM THAT IS IS THIS WORKING? SO ON THE 5TH OF AUGUST I ASKED FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA.

SOME OF IT WE GOT SOME OF IT WE DIDN'T. FRANKLY, I THINK THAT IT'S FRUSTRATING AND INAPPROPRIATE WHEN WE DON'T GET DATA THAT WE ASK FOR FROM FROM CERTAIN OTHER ENTITIES WHO ARE DRIVING US TO MAKE DECISIONS. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK US TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT PROVIDING DATA BUT I DIGRESS.

WHEN I ASKED FOR AND WAS THE NUMBER OF NEW CASES BY DAY FROM 4 1 TO THE PRESENT THE NUMBER OF UNIQUE INFECTED INDIVIDUALS FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD COUNTYWIDE COVERED DEATHS FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD THE COUNTYWIDE HOSPITAL VACANCY RATE FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD THE COUNTY WIDE ICU VACANCY RATE FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD. THE COUNTY WIDE HOSPITAL BEDS OCCUPIED BY COVERED PATIENTS FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD. THE NUMBER OF WARNINGS, TICKETS AND ARRESTS MADE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THROUGHOUT COUNTY AND IT ALSO ASKED FOR THE NUMBER OF TESTS ADMINISTERED SO AS TO GET A TRENDED COUNTYWIDE POSITIVE TESTING RATE. THAT DATA APPARENTLY IS NOT AVAILABLE, NOT READILY AVAILABLE. THAT'S OKAY. SO FROM THE DATA THAT WE DID GET AND I THINK YOU KNOW, ASHLEY, YOU KNOW, TO HER CREDIT A GREAT JOB OF FERRETING OUT A LOT OF THE DATA THAT CIO DID, A GREAT JOB OF CHURNING OUT A LOT OF DATA FROM THE DATA THAT WE ALL GOT. THIS IS THE CHART THAT I WAS ABLE TO COME UP WITH.

YOU'LL SEE THE RED BARS HERE. THAT'S JULY 3RD AND THEN THE PERIOD ENDS JULY 14TH.

THAT'S TWELVE DAYS. JULY 3RD BEING THE DAY WHEN THE ORDINANCE WENT INTO EFFECT, JULY 14TH BEING THE LONGEST PERIOD OF INCUBATION FOR THE CDC.

THE CDC SAYS THAT THE AVERAGE INCUBATION RATE IS LIKE FIVE DAYS MAX IS PROBABLY AROUND 11 AND A HALF DAYS. SO THE HYPOTHESIS WOULD BE BY THE 14TH OF JULY WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN A DOWNWARD TREND IN THE NUMBER OF CASES BECAUSE WE WERE ONE OF THE LAST ONES TO DO AN AUDIENCE. THE MASS AUDIENCE WAS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE RED BARS ARE THE BEGINNING OF THE ORDINANCE DAY AND THE END OF THE INCUBATION PERIOD, THE BLUE THE DARK BLUE LINE THERE IS THE SEVENTH DAY TRENDED NUMBER OF CASES AND THEN THE BARS ARE OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER OF CASES BY DAY BEING WHITE.

I'M NOT THINKING WHAT YOU ARE BUT THERE SARAH IS AT A CAN EVERY DAY.

SAM. YEAH, I CAN SEE IT. GOT IT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I GOT A SECURITY PASS THAT INCUBATION PERIOD WE SAW ANOTHER 17 DAYS WITHOUT TRYING CONTINUED TO RISE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PEAK AND WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS ENACTED WAS AN INCREASE IN DAILY CASES OF 88 PERCENT FOR ON AVERAGE SUNDAY URGED DAILY CASE INCREASE OF 88 PERCENT. AND NOW WHERE WE ARE AS OF THE DATE THE DATE AS OF YESTERDAY OUR RATE IS ON AVERAGE FOR THE LAST SEVEN DAYS.

TWENTY SEVEN CASES WHICH PUTS US BACK AT THE AVERAGE THAT WE HAD ON JUNE 17TH WHICH IS IF YOU'LL REMEMBER. BUT FOR CONTEXT, JUSTIN THOMAS, THE PGA TOUR PLAYER MADE THE COMMENT THOSE IN THE PAPER ON THE 20TH AT HILTON HEAD WAS WIDE OPEN AND IT WAS A QUOTE UNQUOTE ZOO. THERE IS NO I'M ASKING. IT WAS BASICALLY JUST YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, NILLY AND YOU KNOW, FROM WHERE I'M SITTING I HAVE A HARD TIME RECONCILING WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY WORKING. I HAVE A HARD TIME BASED ON THAT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD IMPOSE SOMETHING ON THE CITIZENS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WORKING. SO FOR THAT REASON I'M GOING TO BE VOTING AGAINST THIS.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION PUT INTO HELPING TO PUT TOGETHER THIS DATA AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL FINALLY FOUND THE DATA THAT WE DID GET TO BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. GO RIGHT AHEAD. THANK YOU.

CHRIS, I APPRECIATE THE CHART THAT YOU PUT UP. I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS CHART FOR FOR A WHILE AND I SEE THE CHART IS A TRENDING DOWN. MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THE DATA IS NOT REALITY RELATIVELY AVAILABLE AND CONSISTENT. BUT THE TREND IS COMING DOWN AND TESTING HAS STOPPED. I THINK TESTING IS GOING TO START BACK AGAIN.

THERE IS NO CONSISTENCY IN THE STATE OR THE NATIONAL SIDE TO REALLY TEST FOR THIS.

SO WHAT I SEE TRENDING DOWN AND I WANT TO HOLD FAST ON MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE SCIENCE SAYS THAT MASKING HELPS. THEY EVEN GOING A LITTLE FURTHER BY SAYING THAT EVEN IN INDIA THEY ARE USING SEALED SHE'LL RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S THE PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE IN THE

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I'M WILLING TO GO ANOTHER 60 DAYS TO SEE HOW IT WORKS BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

THANKS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

GO AHEAD MR. MCCULLEN. I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN SOME STATISTICS THAT I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT THE 10 OR 15 DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE U.S.

REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE ACTIVE NUMBER OF CASES AND THOSE AREAS THAT MAY NOT HAVE MASS REQUIREMENTS. I'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN ACTIVE CASES FOR THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SHERMAN? GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

BEFORE I'M HERE, I WANT TO SAY A WORD TONIGHT WHILE WE GO THROUGH THIS A CONSTITUENT OF MINE WHO I'VE KNOWN FOR 20 YEARS I GUESS I'VE BEEN HAVING ANXIETY ATTACKS THAT DISTURBS ME. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SOME COMPARED NOTES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. GOVERNMENTS SHOULD NOT PENALIZE THE MAJORITY UNDER THE OF PROTECTING THE FEW VULNERABLE. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS FROM A

GENTLEMAN NAMED PAUL GREEN OF BOWLING GREEN, OHIO. >> HE SAYS QUOTE IF THERE ARE FINANCIAL UNSUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WE SHOULD NOT RAISE EVERYONE ELSE'S TAXES TO FUNNEL MONEY TO THEM. OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING OFFENSIVE WE SHOULD NOT ARBITRARILY ENACT THE WHOLE STADIUM. THEY CANNOT SHARE THE OFFENSIVE OPINION. IF THERE IS A SHOOTING WE SHOULD NOT CREATE WALLS INFRINGING ON SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. THERE IS A STATION FOX 26 IN HOUSTON, TEXAS REPORTED THAT A JUDGE IN HARRIS COUNTY RECENTLY ORDERED RESIDENTS TO START

WEARING FACE MASKS AND UNION PRACTICES. >> A JUDGE THERE IS LIKE THE

CHAIRMAN HERE SO ANYWAY. >> THE JUDGE'S EXIT ORDER INTENDED TO HELP STAND THE SPRINT TO THE CORONA VIRUS, THE THIRD MOST POPULOUS COUNTY IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> IT DREW IMMEDIATE PUSHBACK INCLUDING FROM THE STATE'S LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WHO CALLED THE MOVE QUOTE THE ULTIMATE GOVERNMENT OVERREACH IN COURT. AND REPRESENTATIVE DAN CRENSHAW ,A FORMER SOLDIER WROTE QUOTE UNQUOTE COMMON SENSE GUIDELINES SHOULD NEVER LEAD TO JUST

TYRANNY. >> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DAN PACKARD NOTED IN A TWITTER METHODS THAT THIS JUDGE, THIS COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR ORDER AFFECTING FOR MILLION TEXANS AND SOME NEARBY COMMUNITIES OF HOUSTON WAS ANNOUNCED ON THE SAME DAY AS PLANNED SURFACE.

>> WE'RE CLOSING A COSTLY TEMPORARY HOSPITAL BECAUSE IT WASN'T NEEDED.

THESE KIND OF CONFUSED GOVERNMENT POLICIES ACTUALLY ONLY FUELED PUBLIC ANGER AND RIGHTLY SO, WROTE PATRICK, IN WHICH WE ARE SEEING THIS NOW OTHER OTHER THINGS WHETHER OTHER DISPERSION ACROSS THE COUNTRY BRAINCHILD SAID HEALTH GUIDELINES SHOULD BE INFALLIBLY

PROMOTED. >> BUT OBJECTED TO THE PUNITIVE ASPECTS OF EXECUTIVE ORDER AS A RESULT OF THE DRAMATIC RISE OF CUBA. 19 CASES IN RECENT WEEKS MANY STATE OFFICIALS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY HAVE ISSUED ORDERS REQUIRING PEOPLE IN PUBLIC TO WEAR MASKS. THE MARCH MANDATES HAVE GENERATED CONTROVERSY.

YOU KNOW ALL OF OUR E-MAIL BOXES IN FULL OF IT AS SOME HAVE SOUGHT TO POLITICIZE THIS PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURE. THE SENATE AGAIN. SOME HAVE SOUGHT TO POLITICIZE SIZE THE IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURE. OPPONENTS OF MASK MANDATED YOU HAVE SUED STATE GOVERNMENTS TO BLOCK THEM ARGUING THAT THE MANDATES VIOLATE INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY RIGHTS OR SHOULD MEET IMMEDIATELY TO REJECT THOSE SUITS AS PART OF ONE OF THE

MOST LIBERTY MINDED PEOPLE. >> BUT THEY SAY THAT AGAIN IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF YOUR

INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY RIGHTS. >> THE PROBLEM WE FACE TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS NOT ABOUT THE.

IT IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DICTATE TO THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD DO WHILE IN PUBLIC. THAT'S AS SIMPLE SEASON. NONE OF US ARE DOCTORS THAT I'M AWARE OF. NONE ARE AN EXPERT ON THE DISEASE THAT I'M AWARE OF.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DISEASE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MASK. THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE

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WE KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU. WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHICH IS BACKED UP BY THE US SUPREME COURT, SAID JACOBSON VS. MASSACHUSETTS, A 19 5.

HOWEVER, MR. CHAIRMAN, PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEIR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY.

>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A CAREFUL NUMBER HERE THAT WANTS TO DO THAT OR BELIEVES IN DOING THAT. EVERY MUNICIPALITY AROUND HAS HAD THIS ISSUE COME UP AND

TAKEN ACTION. >> I PERSONALLY SPOKE OF TALK WITH MAYOR HENRY WILLIAMS VAUDEVILLE. HIS COUNCIL'S DECISION WAS TO VOTE NO ON THE MANDATE.

>> MAYOR WILLIAMS CALLED TO AGAIN SENT ME A MESSAGE THE OTHER NIGHT FROM OTHER STATES THAT THE MESSAGE HIS COUNCIL SET WAS LET'S JOIN TOGETHER AS COMMUNITY NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS. FOOTBALL COACH DABO SWAIN CHANT IT SHIFTS CREATING TEAMWORK NOT BY FINES AND PENALTIES. LET'S WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND WE ALL WIN. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE TELL OUR CONSTITUENTS? RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS. WELL THEN LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND WE ALL WIN.

I TOLD THE MAYOR THAT I ADMIRE THEIR UNANIMOUS DECISION THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE BUSINESS

OWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. >> WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IN LEADERSHIP AS I'M MEETING 30 MINUTES AGO ABOUT WHAT YOU DID IN THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND. ROAD USER FEE THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL IN IN THIS DIVISIVE MEASURE THAT WE HAVE IN TALKING ABOUT ALL SUMMER WHILE I WILL BE VOTING NO TODAY. HOWEVER, AS MAYOR WILLIAMS AND ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HORRIBLE CLOWN COUNCIL SAID, I DO RECOMMEND YOU WEARING THE MATCH IF THAT'S WHAT YOU

BELIEVE YOU NEED TO DO. >> PROTECT YOU, PROTECT ME, PROTECT YOUR FAMILY, PLEASE WEAR THE MASK. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE BIG HEAVY HANDED BEAUFORT COUNTY DICTATING TO PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THIS AND HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SEE MY FRIEND A CONSTITUENT CONTINUE TO HAVE PANIC ATTACKS, ANXIETY ATTACKS BASED UPON SOMETHING THAT THE POPULACE LOOKS LIKE THAT CAN BE CURED.

MR REDMAN QUESTIONED IN A COMMENT. I GUESS I NEED TO GET MY MEMORY REFRESHED. I WAS THINKING THAT THIS ORDINANCE ONLY RELATED TO WHEN YOU WENT INTO AN ENCLOSED SPACE LIKE A BUILDING AND THAT IT DID NOT APPLY.

OUT IN THE OPEN CAN I BET REFRESHED ON WHETHER I'M CORRECT OR INCORRECT ON THAT?

>> YOU ARE CORRECT. OK, SO THIS IMPLIES WHEN YOU GO INTO A BUILDING WHEN YOU CANNOT

SOCIALLY DISTANCE SIX FEET. >> THIS APPLIES. OK TO ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS, OK.

HAVING SAID THAT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE. IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE.

FIRST. I THINK ALL THE STATISTICS WHEN I LOOK AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STATISTICAL MALPRACTISE BEING PERFORMED.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN MAKE SENSE OF RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THE WAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S REASONABLE THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WEAR A MASK WHEN YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT BUT THEN YOU GO INTO A TARGET OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT THAT IT IS REASONABLE THAT WE'D HAVE THE HAVE THE MASK BECAUSE ONE PERSON COULD INFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE. SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR THIS AS LONG AS IT'S JUST IN THE ENCLOSED SPACES WHERE YOU CAN'T SOCIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT CONDIMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR MUCH MORE OF A SHAMAN.

>> I'M SORRY. I'M SUPPOSING THIS IS GONNA PASS.

THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS ANYWAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DISCUSS THAT AT LEAST IN SOME MEANINGFUL WAY IS AT WHAT POINT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS OFF LIKE WHAT IS WHAT IS THE DATA POINT WAS A DEMARCATION POINT. WHAT WHAT THE SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR US TO TAKE THIS OFF MODEL?

>> AN ANSWER BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT. MY OPINION IS WE DON'T KNOW YET. WE ARE JUST OPENING OUR COLLEGES.

AND IF YOU SEE THE COLLEGES THAT OPEN AND WHAT HAPPENED AT THOSE COLLEGES AND WHY THEY SHUT DOWN IS BECAUSE THERE IS INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE COLLEGE AND THE COLLEGE TOWN.

I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I TOOK MY GRANDCHILDREN TO COLLEGE, THEY ARE NOW GOING HOME BECAUSE THEIR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY MANDATED THE MASK. BUT WHEN THEY LEFT THE PREMISES

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AND SEVERAL PEOPLE CONTRACTED THE VIRUS, BROUGHT IT BACK TO CAMPUS INFECTED PEOPLE AND NOW ONE WEEK LATER THEY ARE SHUT DOWN. SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU FROM MY POINT OF VIEW STATISTICALLY YOU SAW THE CHART. IT'S HAD ITS BEAUTY IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. THE INCUBATION PERIOD IS NOT FIXED.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASYMPTOMATIC DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE THE VIRUS NOT HAVING A MASK ON. SPREADING THE VIRUS AND SO THAT INCUBATION PERIOD CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 21 1 DAYS BEFORE SOMEBODY REALIZES THEY ARE SICK.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE STATISTICS OF WHO IS SICK AND WHO IS DYING.

IT'S THE STATISTICS OF HOW PREVALENT IS THE VIRUS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS PROTECTED? YEAH, IT'S A PAIN IN THE NECK WEARING THAT MASK. OK.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE NEED IS CONSISTENCY. WE HAVE STORES, BUSINESSES, ENTITIES ALL OVER BEAUFORT COUNTY. WE WANT A CONSISTENT APPROACH THAT SOMEONE SAYS GEE AM I IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON? AND I HAVE TO WEAR MASKS BECAUSE THEY'RE PASSING THE ORDINANCE AND EXTENDING IT. AM I IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT? AM I NOT OK? I CAN TAKE MY MASK OFF. I HAVE TO PUT MY MASK ON IT IN MY OPINION IT IS WORKING. LET IT WORK. DO I KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO MASKS? I CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU WHEN WE HAVE VACCINE THAT'S WHEN WE'RE

WE'RE SURE IT'S GOING TO WORK. >> JUST MY OPINION THOUGH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD. >> YES. I MEAN I I ABSOLUTELY HATE THIS AUDIENCE. HOWEVER, AFTER SPEAKING WITH FAMILY MEMBERS AND KIDS AND WIFE. AND AGAIN I'VE HEARD I CAN TELL THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HEARD THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SENT ME INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE FOR I'VE HEARD THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAID THEY'RE AGAINST IT. I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. HOWEVER, AS MUCH AS I DO HATE IT, I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ESPECIALLY IF WE WERE ONE COUNTY WITHOUT HAVING A MASSIVE PALACES AND HAVING THEM VOTE. I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND BUT AGAIN HAVING MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE VOTED FOR I AM FOR THE ONLY OTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT I MIGHT HAVE WOULD BE TO SHORTEN THE 60 DAYS AND ASCO MONTH BY MONTH MEETING MY MEETING KNOWING WHAT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS AND 30 DAYS FROM NOW THAT WE CAN BRING THIS UP AGAIN AND AGAIN WE'LL KNOW THEN HOW CLOSE WE ARE AND WHAT WHAT WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT

THERE WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE GETTING INFECTED. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT EMOTION? >> MARK? I DIDN'T PROPOSE IT AS A MOTION . HOWEVER I CAN I CAN MAKE IT A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO MAKE THAT MOTION IF YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, SIR, I'LL SECOND IT.

I WILL MAKE IT A MOTION THAT WE IN THE 60 DAYS AND UNTIL A TWO TIME PERIOD IS AT OUR NEXT MEETING WHATEVER WE'LL BE MEETING THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THIS THEN AT A CLOSE TO A 30

DAY PERIOD. >> BUT IF WE DO ON A SPECIFIC DAY AND LOOK AT THE CALENDAR SEE WHEN WE'RE MEETING AGAIN 30 DAYS FROM NOW OR SHORTER THAN 60 DAYS IT NEEDS TO BE A SPECIFIC DATE. OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING IS SEPTEMBER THE 14TH.

SO IS THAT YOUR AMENDMENT TO EXTEND THIS UNTIL SEPTEMBER 14TH?

DON'T WE HAVE A SECOND MEETING AT OUR NEXT MEETING? >> I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE MY ATTORNEY. THE 28 IS THE 28. WE DO HAVE A MEETING ON THE 28 MARCH. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THIS MASK ORDINANCE

UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28. >> AT OUR NEXT OR SECOND COUNCIL MEETING OF THAT MONTH AND TO BE VOTED ON AGAIN AT THAT TIME I SECOND THE MOTION, SIR FOR THE AMENDMENT.

>> OK, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO AMEND? >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, MR. COHEN LIVE IN MAINE. IT'S AN AMENDMENT WE ALREADY

HAVE A MOTION. >> YES, WE HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO EXTEND THIS AND THE AMENDMENT IS TO EXTEND IT TO CHANGE THE DATE TO SEPTEMBER 28 RATHER THAN OCTOBER 20 THIRD

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WHICH IS IN THE MOTION. >> OK. I WILL THEN CALL THE QUESTION JOKE. JUST CONSIDER IT. JUST MAKE JOKES.

THIS BEING AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE. WE DON'T.

WE DON'T REQUIRE MORE THAN ONE READING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OK. IT'S JUST AN EXTENSION OF SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE DATE. OK.

OK. >> MR. LAWSON, YOU MADE THE MOTION.

MARK LAWSON. YES, MR. LLEWELLYN. >> YES.

MR. COVERT. NO. MR. DAWSON.

NO. MR. GLOVER. NO.

MR. HEARD THE SHOT? NO. >> MISS HOWARD? NO. MR MCGOWAN? NO.

>> MR. YES. MR. SOMERVILLE.

>> NO CHAIR VOTES? >> NO, SIR. WE HAVE EIGHT.

NO. THREE? YES.

THE AMENDMENT IS DEFEATED. WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALLED THE QUESTION HAVE CALL THE QUESTION MR. MCKELLEN YOU

MAKE THE MOTION SO YOU GO FIRST . >> YES, MISS HOWARD, YOU WERE

NEXT. >> YES, MR. KOVAC. NO, MR. DAWSON.

YES. MR. FLOWING NOW MR. GLOVER. >> YES, MR. HER VERSION.

HELLO, MR. LAWSON. MARK LAWSON. YES, MR REDMOND.

YES, MR. SOMERVILLE. >> YES. AND THE CHAIR SAYS YES.

>> SO THE MOTION PASSES 8 YES 3 NO. THERE IS NO FURTHER ACTION TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THEREFORE I WILL NOW ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7 12 P.M. OUR NEXT EVENT WILL BE THIS COMING THURSDAY WHICH WILL BE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING AT 3:00 P.M. FOLLOWED BY A WORKSHOP ON THE IMPACT FEES AT 5.

>> OK, SEE NO FURTHER ACTION. >> THA

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