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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORD COUNTY, DAWN, PLEASE.
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UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE TALK TO ME AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE REPUBLIC.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, LIBERTY JUSTICE.
UH, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE ADOPTION, THE VIRTUAL MEETING RESOLUTION DEVELOPED BY THE COUNTY BACK IN MARCH.
UM, LET ME ASK FIRST, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
UM, I NOTE THAT THE RESOLUTION EXPIRES 60 DAYS AFTER THE DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY DECLARATION THEN RENEWED SO THAT WE'RE IN A CURRENT EMERGENCY SITUATION.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THEY'VE ASSURED ME THAT YOU ARE PERFECTLY FINE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS WRITTEN AND DRAFTED FOR 60 DAYS FROM THIS MEETING GOING FORWARD.
SHOULD WE NEED TO USE IT FOR THAT LENGTH OF PERIOD OF TIME? OKAY.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTE VIRTUAL MEETING.
JUST SAY WHO YOU ARE WHEN YOU MOVE THAT, PLEASE.
NOW, ACCORDING TO THE RESOLUTION, I'VE GOT TO TAKE A ROLL BALL ACCOUNT.
SO I'M GOING TO READ OFF YOUR NAME AND JESSIE A OR AN ACCEPTANCE OF THE RESOLUTION.
KEVIN WE'LL COME BACK TO KEVIN, ESSENTIALLY.
LET ME COME BACK TO, UM, KEVIN, EVAN'S NOT MUTED.
HE MAY NOT HAVE HIS VOLUME UP ON HIS, UH, BONUS COMPUTER CORRECTLY.
UM, DO I WAKE JOLLY THAT OR I WOULD, I WOULD WAIT JUST ONE SECOND.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE KEVIN IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN WE TAKE THE VOTES ON THE VARIOUS ISSUES AS QUICK CHECK HERE, SIGN IN, PLEASE.
I DON'T SEE HIM, SO, OH, OKAY.
AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF BUTTER.
SO WE CAN RECORD HIS VOTE AFTER THE FACT.
AND THIS IS, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE RESOLUTION, JUST TO REMEMBER, UM, UM, ALL PARTIES TO THE MEETING, EITHER AS SPEAKERS OR OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
UM, WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING, PLEASE FOR THE AUDIENCE, UM, GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
AND AGAIN, THE OTHER INSTRUCTION IS WHEN WE DO A VOICE VOTE, WE'LL DO IT BY ROLL CALL AND AA OR NA WILL BE THE MAIN METHOD OF YOUR COURT.
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OKAY.IF I MAY JUST, UH, I'LL DO WANT TO LET ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE MUTED CURRENTLY, SO IF THEY NEED TO SPEAK, THEY NEED TO SOMEHOW LET ME KNOW.
DO I NOTIFICATION OF THE MEETING UNDER THE DECORATION RECURRENCE, 44, 24 HOUR NOTICE? I THINK IT WAS NOTED.
WE WERE NOTIFIED YESTERDAY, UM,
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ‐ July 6, 2020 and July 21, 2020]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR JULY SIX.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR AMENDMENTS? LET ME PICK EVERYONE OFF FROM YOU.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. SOUNDBITES COMMENTS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES.
AND I'VE BEEN IN I'VE ADVISED THEM YEAH.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
WE DO NOT INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THE MINUTES.
WE DO NOT HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE STAFF TIME TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
THE, THE COMMENTS ARE RECORDED.
UM, AND AS A PART OF THE VIDEO FEED, BUT WE TYPICALLY DO NOT, UM, THERE'S SUMMARIES OF INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE DO AS A, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE.
SO THAT WILL NOT BE DONE, UH, AS A PART OF THIS PARTICULAR SET OF MINUTES.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME MAKE A REQUEST.
THEN, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A DIALOGUE IN TERMS OF THE SUMMARY OF THE COMMENTS AS THIS IS OUR ONLY OFFICIAL VEHICLE TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL FOR WHAT WENT ON TRANSPORT OR A MEETING, AND FOR THE SAKE OF FULL TRANSPARENCY, YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS GET RECORDED OR AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL, SHOULD THEY SUZE? THEY ARE, THEY ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE VIDEO FEED.
UM, THESE PARTICULAR, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE AN ACCEPTING THESE, THESE COMMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY MR. KRISTA TELE.
AND HE SAID THEY, SINCE THEY ARE INTACT AND HAVE BEEN FULLY PROVIDED FOR HIM TO INCLUDE THEM AS AN ATTACHMENT TO THESE, THIS PARTICULAR SET OF MINUTES, WE, WE CAN EMPLOY, WE CAN INCLUDE MR. KRISTA, TELMO HIS WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AND GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE TAPE AND TRANSCRIBE HIS COMMENTS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE MINUTES.
BUT IF THERE ARE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, WE HAVE ALREADY, WE HAVE ALREADY NOTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE THOSE, BUT WE DO NOT.
AND WE CANNOT GET INTO THE PRACTICE OF DOING THAT.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT JUST FOR MR. CHRIS.
AND I'M NOT INCLINED TO COMMIT TO THAT.
OKAY, WELL, I'LL TAKE NOTE AND I'D LIKE POINT THAT MR.
AND I WILL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT INCLUSION.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A FURTHER AGREEMENT, UM, REGARDING THE SECOND VOTE, NOT A MINUTE 82ND VOTE, UM, ON THE GRAVES DISCUSSION, THERE IS NO INDICATION OF WHO MADE THE MOTION FOR THE SECOND VOTE NOR LOU SECOND DID.
UM, THE CORRECTION SHOULD BE MOTION WAS MADE BY FRANK DOOCY AND SECOND HIM BY JASON HENSHER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AMENDMENTS I HAVE TO OFFER.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH THE AMENDMENTS OR NOT.
I HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
IS THAT TO ACCEPT THE TWO AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU, CAROLINE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT IF YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AS AMENDED.
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DEFINITELY MET VILLAIN.HI, ACCESSALLY SECOND IS ROLL CALL.
I KEVIN HENLEY FOR LINE ESSENTIALLY.
I, I TELL HIM THAT'S SO UNANIMOUS.
LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT SET OF MINUTES.
THE JULY 21ST MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING.
DO I HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THOSE MINUTES? OKAY.
IS THERE NO INDICATIONS FOR AMENDMENTS? I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 21ST MEETING.
OKAY, JASON, JASON'S GOING TO SECOND IT.
OKAY, HERE WE GO AGAIN ON THE ROLL CALL.
UM, RANDOLPH, HANDOFF, DIANNE.
HI, TESTILY JASON, UH, MITCH, FRANK, MYSELF.
SO I'VE ADMITTED TO, FROM THE LAST TWO VOTES, UM, STUART, ARE YOU ON AT ALL? HE'S ON THE HE'S MUTED.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR US? HELLO? IT KEEPS TURNING BLACK STUART.
DO YOU USE IT? IT NEEDS TO BE BLIGHT RANDOLPH IF IT'S RED YOU'RE MUTED.
NOW WE CAN, WE TOOK TWO VOTES MORE ON THE JULY SIX ONE ON THE JULY 21ST.
UH, THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS OPEN FOR A PUBLIC COMPANY, UNRELATED, SOMETHING COMMENTS, UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY.
DO WE NEED ANYTHING TYPED IN ERIC, CHRIS? THERE IS NOTHING ON FACEBOOK LIVE AT THIS MOMENT.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS FROM THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND FROM THE HILTON HILL REAL GEOS FOLLOWING OUR PURSUIT FOR THE IMPACT FEE DISCUSSION.
THAT'LL COME WITH THERE BEING NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON-RELATED BUDGET, UH, LAND RELATED, UM, GENDER ITEMS. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE AGENDA.
UM, THE LATEST AGENDA HAD TO REVERSE ALL THE TWO CONSIDERATIONS.
[7. Text Amendment to the Community Development Code (CDC) Article 5, Section 5.6.50.E(2) To Allow for Minor Modifications to Billboards to Improve Safety Standards During Hurricanes and High Wind Events.]
FIRST THING ON THE ATTENDANT IS DETECTION STICKS AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION FIVE, SIX POINTS FOR MONEY OR MODIFICATIONS TO BILLBOARDS TO IMPROVE SAFETY STANDARDS DURING HURRICANES AND HIGH WINDS.ERIC, WOULD YOU LIKE SEPTEMBER, YOU START WITH THIS OR SOMEONE ON YOUR STAFF? UH, YEAH.
UH, BASICALLY THE RECORD VERSION HERE IS, UH, ROBERT, YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS FOR ME.
WAS THAT YOUR PLAN OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT REAL QUICK? UM, WELL, I, I PLANNED ON SPEAKING, BUT, UH, UM, I'M GOOD EITHER WAY.
NO, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK IF YOU'RE, IF, UH, DID YOU SAY YOU HADN'T PLANNED ON SPEAKING OR YOU HAD, OH, I HAD, OKAY, GO AHEAD THEN.
UM, REAL QUICK, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE THE STEPS REPORT.
THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ADAM'S OUTDOOR ADVERTISING AND IT'S A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SECTION IT'S OUR SECOND ARTICLE FIVE DIVISION 5.6 ON SIGNAGE.
AND IT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING, UM, OFFSITE COMMERCIAL SIGNS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY BILLBOARDS, UM, TO MAKE THE STRUCTURES MORE RESISTANT TO HIGH WINDS.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, BUFORD COUNTY HAS HAD A PROHIBITION ON NEW BILLBOARDS SINCE THE NINETIES.
UM, AND BASICALLY OUR POLICY HAS BEEN THAT BILLBOARDS THAT REMAIN IN THE UNINCORPORATED CONFORMING USERS AND BILLBOARD COMPANIES
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ARE PERMITTED TO CHANGE THE CONTENT OR SIGN FACE OF THE BILLBOARDS, BUT ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, OTHER THAN MINOR COSMETIC THINGS LIKE CLEANING OR PRUNING OF THE BILLBOARDS ARE NOT PERMITTED.AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SECTION SPECIFICALLY DEALS WITH.
YOU KNOW, THE RATIONALE OF HAVING THESE LIMITATIONS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THESE, THESE BILLBOARDS WILL OUTLIVE THEIR USEFUL LIFE AND THEN BE REMOVED TO NOT REPLACED.
I MEAN, IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PHASE THESE OUT OF THE COUNTY.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THEM TO LOCATIONS THE BILLBOARD THAT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE TO HIGH WINDS.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE FROM COULD PROBABLY DESCRIBE THIS A LITTLE BETTER, BUT BASICALLY RIGHT NOW THE SIGN FACE CONSISTS OF A SOLID PANEL.
SO IN, IN THE HURRICANE OR HIGH WIND EVENTS, THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO BE BLOWN DOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO REPLACE IT WITH A, UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BE OPEN IN BETWEEN AND THEN OVERLAID WITH, UM, VINYL SO THAT IF THERE WERE A HURRICANE BASICALLY BLOW THROUGH THE VINYL, BLOW THE VINYL WAY, THAT STRUCTURE WOULD MORE LIKELY TAP INTO, IT'S NOT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CATCHING THE WIND.
UM, AND WHILE THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF A PROJECTILE OR A HIGH WIND DEFENSE IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S STAFF UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS MORE DESIGNED TO PROLONG THE LIFE OF THESE BILLBOARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, BY REDUCING A CHANCE OF THE BILLBOARD DAMAGE FOR DESTROYED DURING THE HURRICANE.
THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF MAKING THIS CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO WE RECOMMEND THE AMENDMENT SO THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW FOR STAFF.
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION THERE'S A NON-AIR COMMISSION WHEN THEY MADE THEIR PRESENTATION WITH THE ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD, WAS THAT TURNED DOWN QUESTION THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE APPROVED.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS, UH, INTRODUCE YOU, THERE WAS NO ACTUAL FORMAL APPLICATION PUT FORTH TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
THERE WAS A PRESENTATION MADE TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE DECIDED NOT MOVE FORWARD AND TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT TICKER ITEM.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THEN ERIC, THAT THERE ARE NO ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS IN BUFORD COUNTY OR NO ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS ON DIFFERENT COUNTY? THAT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S FRANKLIN RAISED ONE ON ROUTE, ROUTE ONE 70, VERY CLOSE TO TWO 78 AS JASPER COUNTY COUNTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF STAFF? OKAY.
WHEN A REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT ADAM'S OUTDOOR, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION? SURE.
I SEE LIZ JOINED IN, UH, MY NAME IS BO HODGES ON THE REAL ESTATE MANAGER FOR ADAMS OUTDOOR.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REPETITIVE CONVERSATION FOR SOME, UH, THAT ARE HERE AND MAYBE NEW FOR OTHERS.
UM, HEY, I WANT TO START OFF BEFORE I HAVE A LITTLE, A QUICK POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT I WANT TO MENTION THAT THE MORE I READ THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING NUMBER TWO IN THE UNDER LETTER E YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY MORE TO NUMBER THREE VERSUS NUMBER TWO.
AND AT THE END, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN, UM, AFTER THE CRACK, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD BECAUSE, UH, I THINK YOU'LL SEE AFTER THE PRESENTATION, I THINK IT APPLIES MORE TO NUMBER THREE, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE AT THE MOMENT, ERIC, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO TRY TO SHARE CONTENT.
SO I JUST HIT THAT SHARE CONTENT BUTTON.
IT'LL SAY SHARE SCREEN, AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BOX AT THE TOP AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO SELECT THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE.
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ALL RIGHT.DO Y'ALL SEE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION? OH, I SEE IT.
IT'S COMING UP AND YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO JUST GO, OKAY.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHY WE'RE HERE.
WHAT IS A HURRICANE FOR ME? UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, A HURRICANE FRAME IS A LIGHTWEIGHT ALUMINUM, AN OLD WOODEN FRAMING THAT GOES AROUND THE EXISTING STRINGERS OF A BILLBOARD.
AND DON'T WORRY, I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON WHAT ALL THIS STUFF MEANS.
UM, BUT IT CAN BE EITHER WOODEN OR METAL AND YES, IT IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW FOR SAFETY TO INCREASE THE SAFETY OF A BILLBOARD DURING HURRICANES.
UM, IT'S ALSO DESIGNED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR BILLBOARD COMPANIES TO GO OUT AND PREPARE THEIR BILLBOARDS, UH, AS HURRICANES APPROACH OR HIGH WIND EVENT.
UM, AS WE SAW YESTERDAY, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, UH, CLOSE IT, SKIRTED US, BUT WE WENT OUT AND TOOK THE THINGS THAT WE, THE PLACES WHERE WE DO HAVE HURRICANE FRAMES, UM, IN THE CITY OF BUFORD AND ALSO, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN PORT ROYAL YET, BUT WE HAVE THEM APPROVED THERE AS WELL.
WE WENT OUT AND PULLED THE VINYLS OFF AND IT ALLOWED, AND THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
THIS IS AT GRANGER NISSAN ON ROBERT SMALLS PARKWAY.
THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT THE BILLBOARD LOOKS LIKE EVERYDAY.
WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT, IT LOOKS NO DIFFERENT THAN IT DID BEFORE WE WERE.
WE PUT THE HURRICANE FRAMES ON IT.
THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS WITH THE VINYL HOLD OFF.
AND THAT SILVER FRAMING SYSTEM IS ATTACHED TO THE UPRIGHT METAL STRINGERS OF THE BILLBOARD.
SO AS I SAID, PURPOSE OF THEM IS, IS SIMPLY TO GET THESE HEAVY, OUTDATED, UM, METAL FACES THAT ARE ON MOST OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE BILLBOARDS IN BEAVER COUNTY.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO TAKE THOSE OFF AND REPLACE THEM WITH THIS FRAMING TO ALLOW FOR, UH, UH, EASE OF USE AND, AND INCREASE THE SAFETY OF THE BILLBOARDS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH WHEN A STORM COMES IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE HEAVY METAL FACES ON THERE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR COME IN, THEY HAVE TO BRING A SMALL CRANE TRUCK AND THEY HAVE TO GET WITH OUR GUYS AND THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND, SIGN TO SIGN, AND THEY TAKE US, UH, UH, BASICALLY A SMALL BOOM TRUCK WITH A CRANE ON IT AND LIFT THE FACES.
THESE ADVERTISING FACE THAT HOLDS THE FINALS, THEY WEIGH ABOUT 300 POUNDS.
THEY LIFT THOSE UP AND THEY LAY THEM ON THE GROUND.
AND THAT CREATES, THAT LEAVES YOU WITH THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE.
AND YOU HAVE THE UP UPRIGHT STRINGERS.
YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE FRAMING OF THE BILLBOARD STANDING THERE.
AND AS MENTIONED IN THE WIND, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DAMAGE, UM, CAUSED BY FLYING DEBRIS FROM THESE BILLBOARDS OR WHETHER THEY COME OFF IN ONE PIECE OR THEY, THEY SOMETIMES WILL SHRED.
UM, PART OF OUR PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE CAN NOT GET TO ALL OF OUR BILLBOARDS BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO MAKE THE CALL, UH, LEADING UP TO A STORM AS TO WHEN DO WE SEND THE GUYS OUT? CAN WE SCHEDULE IT WITH THE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS? WE DON'T WE'LL HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT IN OUR OFFICE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A NIGHTMARE AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF STRATEGIZE WHICH BILLBOARDS DO WE WANT TO GET TO.
OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO GET TO ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE COAST.
WE WANT TO GET TO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION, OBVIOUSLY AS MENTIONED DUE TO THE CURRENT SIGN CODE THAT WE OPERATE UNDER.
UM, WE, WE HAVE BILLBOARDS THAT ARE DETERIORATING AND, UM, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE A BUSINESS TO RUN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE CERTAIN BILLBOARDS THAT ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS.
SO THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS A SHORT VIDEO OF ONE GENTLEMAN FROM OUR COMPANY GOING WITH A LADDER AND A PICKUP TRUCK AND REMOVING THE VINYL FACE.
THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS THAT NISSAN GRAY, UH, THE GRANGER NISSAN HERE IN BUFORD.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT TAKES HIM ABOUT TWO MINUTES TO PULL THAT VINYL OFF.
HE FOLDS IT UP OR THROWS IT IN THE BACK OF THIS PICKUP TRUCK AND ONTO THE NEXT BILLBOARD.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS OUR PLANT IN A, IN A QUICK MANNER AS THESE STORMS ARE APPROACHING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO THIS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE OR A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, THE ATLANTIC, WE HAVE TO DO IT ABOUT THREE DAYS TO TWO DAYS IN ADVANCE, SO THAT AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, THIS SHINY METAL PART AROUND THE EDGE.
THAT IS A SEPARATE ITEM THAT WE PURCHASE SEPARATE FROM THE ACTUAL BILLBOARD STEEL.
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IS THE, THE ACTUAL BILLBOARD STRUCTURE AND THAT BROWN, THAT BROWN METAL IS WHAT IS LEFT THERE IF WE HAVE THE OLD STYLE ON THERE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE THERE WITH A CRANE TRUCK LIFTING UP THE FACE AND LAYING IT ON THE GROUND.SO IT'S REALLY ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME THING.
AND I WILL ADD, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE I STARTED THE PRESENTATION.
IF, IF WE, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO GET TO A BILLBOARD, OR LET'S SAY A TORNADO POPS UP IN A, IN A THUNDERSTORM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST FINAL.
IF THE WIND HITS THAT SIGN IN A MANNER THAT WOULD TYPICALLY SHRED THAT METAL OR BLOW THAT FACE OFF, UM, THE VINYL WILL RIP AND YOU WON'T HAVE THAT.
YOU WON'T HAVE ANY DEBRIS COMING OFF OF IT TO WHERE, OH, THERE, OKAY, WELL, THIS IS A PICTURE OF AN OUTDATED BILLBOARD.
THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ALL OVER BUFORD COUNTY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A BILLBOARD WITHOUT A VINYL ADVERTISEMENT ON IT.
SO THAT'S A SOLID METAL FACE AND THAT METAL FACE IS HANGING ON THERE BY GRAVITY.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE BOLT HANGING THAT, HOLDING THAT FACE ON THERE.
UM, WHEN WE GET OFF, I CAN, WHEN WE GET OUT OF THE PRESENTATION, I'M ACTUALLY HOLDING ONE OF THE METAL, THE STEEL CLIPS THAT JUST SAT DOWN ON A PIECE OF ANGLE IRON AND IT'S HELD ON BY GRAVITY.
SO AS THE OLD SCHOOL TECHNOLOGY OF BILLBOARDS, WHERE IT WAS DESIGNED TO FLY OFF A BLOW OFF, THIS IS THE BACKSIDE OF AN, OF AN OUTDATED BILLBOARD.
AS YOU CAN SEE THE SILVER, YOU CAN SEE THE VINYLS WRAPPED AROUND THE EDGES, THAT SILVER FACE, THAT, THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE TYPICAL BILLBOARD WE HAVE THAT'S OVER ON SEA ISLAND PARKWAY, UM, OR NOT SEE HOW IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, PART WAY, BUT, UM, PARIS ISLAND PARKWAY AND, UH, THOSE BROWN STRINGS, YOU KNOW, UPRISING THAT FACE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS JUST HANGING ON THERE.
THE HURRICANE FRAME WOULD WRAP AROUND THOSE BROWN STRINGERS.
IT DOESN'T TOUCH THE STRUCTURAL, UM, THE FOUNDATION TOP ONE, AGAIN, TOP ONE IS THE OUTDATED METAL FACE, PROBABLY 300 POUNDS.
AND THE BOTTOM IS THE SAME EXACT THING.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE BROWN IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME.
IT JUST HAS THE LIGHTWEIGHT ALUMINUM AROUND THE EDGE THAT ALLOWS US TO WRAP THE, THE VINYL AROUND THIS.
ANOTHER ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WHEN THESE THINGS WERE DESIGNED WAS, DO YOU USE WOODEN OR ALUMINUM HURRICANE FRAMES? AND THE REASON THAT THEY MAKE BOTH IS PERFECT EXAMPLE, WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE TONIGHT, UH, MANUFACTURERS OF HURRICANE FRAMES UNDERSTAND THAT BILLBOARD COMPANIES HAVE TO WORK UNDER VERY STRICT SIGN CODES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT TEND TO WANT BILLBOARDS TO GO AWAY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S THE WAY OF LIFE IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
SO THE MAIN ARGUMENT IS, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SIGN CODE THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER HERE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT YOU, YOU CAN'T INCREASE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
YOU CAN'T MAKE STRONGER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY DESIGNED WOODEN HURRICANE FRAMES, AS WELL AS ALUMINUM HURRICANE FRAMES.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, AND THIS IS IN BUFORD COUNTY.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN OLD, OUTDATED WOODEN POLE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE WITH WOODEN STRINGERS VERSUS THE METAL STRINGERS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT STILL HAS THAT 300 POUND METAL BILLBOARD FACE ON IT.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE GET THE RIGHT STORM.
AND THAT THING DECIDES TO LIFT THAT FACE OFF THAT'S, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS AS A, AS A PROJECTILE FLYING AROUND.
THEY MAKE WOODEN FRAMES THAT WOULD ATTACH TO THE STRINGERS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT ATTACHING METAL TO WOOD, BECAUSE THEN IT'S VERY HIGH.
IT IS VERY HARD TO ARGUE THAT ATTACHING METAL TO WOOD IS NOT STRENGTHENING IN SOME WAY, UH, THE SUPPORT SYSTEM OF THE UPPER STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE AGAIN, NONE OF, NONE OF THIS TOUCHES THE FOUNDATION OF THE BILL.
UM, AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THIS IS ON ROBERT SMALLS.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A WOODEN POLE STRUCTURE.
SEE THE BIG WOODEN POLES, BUT THEN IT HAS METAL STRINGERS.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT IS A LIGHTWEIGHT ALUMINUM FRAME THAT GOES AROUND THE EDGE AND IT'S ATTACHED TO THOSE METAL UPRIGHT STRUCTURES.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE LOOPHOLES.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ON ROBERT SMALLS PARKWAY OF, IN THE CITY OF BUFORD.
UM, WE, WE PASS THE SAME SIMILAR ORDINANCE, UH, LATE LAST YEAR.
AND THIS WAS A WOODEN POLE STRUCTURE WITH METAL
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STRINGERS.IF YOU LOOK CLOSE, YOU CAN SEE THE BROWN, UPRIGHT, UH, METAL STRINGERS THEY'D BEEN ON THERE PROBABLY FOR 40 YEARS.
AND THE SILVER ALUMINUM FRAME IS ATTACHED TO THOSE, THE EXISTING METAL STRINGERS THAT WERE ON THAT FIELD.
UM, AND WE TOOK THESE ALL DOWN WHEN, UM, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ATTEMPT TO SAY THE NAME OF THAT HURT, WHATEVER THEY NAME THAT HURRICANE THAT JUST SKIRTED US.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
WE SENT ONE GUY IN A PICKUP TRUCK, THE VINYL OFF, WE WERE IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND, AND WENT HOME INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GRANGE THINGS THAT HURRICANE FRAMES DID NOT DO.
THEY DON'T ENLARGE THE ADVERTISING FACE.
THEY DON'T INCREASE THE HEIGHT, THEY DON'T STRENGTHEN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND THEY DON'T ATTACH TO ANY STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION COLUMNS OR POLES ON THE BILLBOARD.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I KNOW ARE SPECIFICALLY NOTED IN BEAVER COUNTY.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE POINT THAT OUT.
IF YOU RODE BY WHEN, WHEN THE ADVERTISEMENTS, THE VINYL IS STRETCHED AROUND THAT FRAME, AND IT'S A NORMAL DAY IN PARADISE WHERE WE LIVE, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THAT BILLBOARD HAD A HURRICANE FRAME OR WHETHER IT HAD A SOLID METAL FACE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS AND HAS HAPPENED WHEN, ON BILLBOARDS THAT DON'T HAVE HURRICANE FRANKS, THIS TOP ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE A TORNADO TO ME, JUDGING BY THE TREES DOWN THE ROAD ARE STILL UP, RIGHT? BUT THAT TOP PICTURE, THE BACKSIDE DID NOT BLOW OFF FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THE FRONT SIDE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S GONE, WHO KNOWS WHERE IT WENT, THE BOTTOM PICTURE, SAME THING THE WHOLE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THOSE PEDAL PIECES HANGING DOWN FROM THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE, THOSE ARE BILLBOARD PANELS.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO FLYING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO.
THAT'S I WANT TO REITERATE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OLD SCHOOL TECHNOLOGY WE'VE COME QUITE A LONG WAY.
UH, SINCE THAT TECHNOLOGY, THIS PICTURE AT THE TOP, AGAIN, DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT, UH, COULD BE A TORNADO.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE ROAD, THERE WAS ANOTHER BILLBOARD THAT'S PERFECTLY INTACT.
I FAVORITE PICTURE IS THE ONE HERE THAT WE HAVE AT THE BOTTOM.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN BUFORD COUNTY.
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL A POSTER UNIT.
IT'S 12 BY 24 FEET, UH, TYPICALLY WITH TWO LIGHTS.
UM, I CAN'T SEE THE, I CAN'T SEE THE OF IT, BUT LET'S ASSUME FOR A MINUTE THAT IT'S WOODEN.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE WOULD SEE HERE IN BUFORD COUNTY.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF OUR BILLBOARDS LAYING LIKE THAT.
UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULDN'T MIND OUR BILLBOARDS LOOKING LIKE THAT AFTER A BUILDING, AFTER A HURRICANE, THE REASON BEING THAT BILLBOARD DOESN'T MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A DESTROYED BILLBOARD AFTER A WINDSTORM AND PER THE CURRENT BUFORD COUNTY SIGN CODE, THERE A WIND STORM.
THERE'S A WIND DAMAGE CLAUSE IN HERE THAT STATES THAT IF 50% OR LESS OF THE BILLBOARD IS DESTROYED, THEN THE BILLBOARD CAN BE RE-ERECTED.
SO THAT BILLBOARD RIGHT THERE, I CAN, I'VE SEEN THIS IN REAL LIFE.
WE HAVE FOUR BILLBOARDS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SAME EXACT THING.
LET'S ASSUME THAT WAS ON FOUR WOODEN POSTS, WHICH MOST OF THE BOARDS IN YOU FOR COUNTY ARE.
ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GO PICK THAT BILLBOARD UP RIGHT THERE WITH A CRANE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET NEW LIGHTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THAT WHOLE, THAT UPPER IS PERFECTLY USEFUL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PICK THAT UP AND WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THOSE ROTTED WOODEN POLES WITH BRAND NEW WOODEN POLES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN CODE SAYS WE CAN DO IS IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S THE DESTRUCTION, UH, FACTOR, AND THAT BILLBOARD'S GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK THERE.
SO THIS IS A WAY TO PREVENT THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING AND THAT BILLBOARD THAT'S LAYING ON THE GROUND RIGHT THERE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF A CAR.
IT COULD HAVE GONE ANOTHER A HUNDRED FEET AND THEY OWN THAT BUILDING.
WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THESE BILLBOARDS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT BUFORD COUNTY DOES NOT WANT US TO REBUILD OUR SIGNS.
THEY DON'T WANT US TO STRENGTHEN OUR SIGNS SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE GET THAT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
UM, SO WE'VE DONE IT IN THE CITY AND WE'VE DONE IT IN PORT ROYAL.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CONTINUE THAT TREND TO GET THESE THINGS SAFE AND KEEP THEM FROM FLYING AROUND ON THE ROADS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON US.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HECK OF A TIME GETTING ALL OF OUR BILLBOARDS STRUCTURES, UM, IN TIME WHEN THESE STORMS
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ARE APPROACHING, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY QUESTIONS.THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER? I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NEW WORD CITY AND VIEW, SIR.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO BE A POTENT BY BUKIT CAMP.
I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK SOMEBODY, ERIC, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER.
I THINK YOU JUST SPELLED OUT ON THEIR OWN.
WE HAVE OUR REGULATIONS ONLY APPLY TO THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY, NOT TO, UH, NOT TO CITY BOUNDARY.
WHAT OTHER, I MEAN, THESE HAVE A PROVISION.
TELL ME WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PERMISSION.
THE ONLY TWO THAT I KNOW OF, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT PORT ROYAL HAS ACTUALLY FINISHED ADOPTION OF THAT.
I KEEP HEARING CONFLICTING INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
THE CITY OF NEWFORD OBVIOUSLY IS PAST, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THEM INSTALLED, UH, TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, WENT THROUGH SECOND READING WERE APPROVED.
UM, AND HERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE HURRICANE FRAMES ORDERED.
NOW THEY'RE JUST, WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD, WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN HOUSE TO HAVE THEM INSTALLED.
AND TRUST ME, THERE ARE MANY, MANY MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
HUNDREDS, PROBABLY THOUSANDS THAT HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY THAT ARE ON COASTAL, UH, HIGH WIND ZONES.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD WHEN IT COMES TO BILLBOARDS.
IN FACT, WHEN WE CALL PEOPLE TO BUILD NEWFIELD, BECAUSE WE'RE IN A HIGH WIND ZONE, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GIVE US SOME BILLBOARD STRUCTURES WITH HURRICANE FRAMES, BECAUSE THAT IS THE NEW CURRENT BUILDING, UM, STATUS OF, OF A BILLBOARD.
YOU WOULD NEVER BUILD A BILLBOARD THESE DAYS WITHOUT HAVING HURT AND FRAME IF YOU'RE IN A HURRICANE ZONE.
SO I THINK, UH, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER STEWART, UM, HAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT AND POSSIBLY A COMMISSIONER HANDLING WHAT MR. SHORT FIRST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON WHAT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORTS AFTER THE MAGNUM TO A BILLBOARD AND HOW OFTEN BILLBOARD REVIEWED STRUCTURAL DEFECTS OF THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF MY DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY.
I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE WERE GOING TO HANG THESE PANELS ON THE EXISTING BILLBOARDS, IF THAT WERE TO GET APPROVED, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS IS GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THAT, UH, ADAMS OUTDOOR WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT THE APPROPRIATE STRUCTURAL, UH, DIAGRAMS TO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE HANGING OF THESE FRAMES ON THE, UH, EXISTING BILLBOARDS BACKING AND HAVING THEM SUBMIT FOLLOW-UP DOCUMENTS.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DO NOT DO THAT.
I DO NOT, UH, OVERSEEING THAT HELP.
UM, I'M A LICENSED CONTRACTOR FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
UM, I'VE BEEN BUILDING BILLBOARDS MUCH LONGER THAN THAT, BUT I BECAME LICENSED NINE YEARS AGO TO BUILD THEM AND OUR BILLBOARDS DOWN THERE WERE 65 FEET OVERALL HEIGHT STEEL MONOPOLE BY FEET IN DIAMETER, 50 FOOT PIPE IN BEDS, MAN IN EMBEDMENT, A BILLBOARD, THE STRUCTURES I I'VE HAD, I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING BILLBOARDS.
AND WHEN I CAME TO THIS MARKET, I COULDN'T HELP BUT LAUGH BECAUSE I WROTE AROUND AND LOOKED AT THESE WOODEN BILLBOARDS.
I'D NEVER SEEN SUCH A THING BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO DIFFERENT, BUT I HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING THESE THINGS AND THAT I KNOW THE BILLBOARD AND THE FRAMES THEMSELVES COST US ABOUT $3,500.
YOU DON'T MEET THE CLASSIFICATIONS TO, TO, TO PULL A PERMIT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IN YOU FOR COUNTY OR THE CITY OF PERMIT.
UM, THIS IS MINOR WORK AND THAT'S, WHAT'S SO FRUSTRATING TO US SOMETIMES IS THAT IT'S SUCH MINOR WORK, UM, TO HAVE THESE THINGS CLIPPED ON TO THE FRAMINGS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE EXTRA STEPS TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE OUT THERE DOING, NOT TRYING TO BUILD NEW BILLBOARDS.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STRENGTHEN THE BILLBOARD.
WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE SAFETY OF THE, SO MY QUESTION
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WAS THAT IN FACT, THAT YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR AND NOT AN ENGINEER DID NOT ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT I WANT IT IN DIFFERENT COUNTY.THIS IS WHERE WE ARE DENSELY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REQUIRED TO SIGN OFF ON THAT BILLBOARD ON A REGULAR BASIS, WHICH THEY HAVE TO DO ON OTHER STRUCTURES WHERE REGARDLESS OF BILLBOARDS, OR DO THEY JUST LET IT ROCK AND FALL DOWN THEN EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.
THEY LET IT ROCK AND THEY WANT IT TO FALL DOWN.
THAT'S THE, THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACED WITH, BUT WE HAVE A, THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY IS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.
SO THESE BILLBOARD COMPANIES WORKED VERY HARD TO PROTECT THEIR ASSETS, AND WE'RE JUST ONE SMALL SPOKE IN A VERY LARGE WHEEL.
SO, UM, WE WERE IN A SITUATION HERE IN BUFORD COUNTY AND MANY OTHER PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
DON'T GET ME WRONG THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THESE THINGS ROT AND FALL DOWN.
SO NO, THEY DON'T GO OUT BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD LOVE FOR AN ENGINEER TO GO OUT AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THESE BILLBOARDS SAFE.
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
WE WOULD REBUILD EVERY BILLBOARD STRUCTURE WE HAVE IN BEAVER COUNTY, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS OF TODAY, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIGN CODE.
ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BLOW DOWN LIFE SAFETY? IT'S NEITHER THAT ONE NOR THE OTHER ONE, IT'S ALL LOVE.
THEY ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HURRICANE FRAMES FOR COUNTY EXCEPT FOR IN THE CITY OF BEEFY.
AND THOSE HAVE STRAP BASICALLY SHRAPNEL.
AND WHAT I THINK YOUR TASK GETS FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT IS TO DECIDE IF THE REQUEST AS A ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, TO THE DEGREE, TO WHERE YOU NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL CONSIDER ALTERING THEIR PATCH PACK.
THIS IS ON SIGNS LIKE THIS TO ALLOW THIS FRAME TO BE ERECTED ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
I DON'T THINK SOME OF THE STRUCTURES THAT I'VE SEEN FROM ADAM'S OUTDOOR AROUND, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT FRAME WITHOUT ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL WORK COMMAND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THAT IT APPLY ONLY TO THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE STRUCTURALLY ABLE TO HAVE THESE FRAMES BE ERECTED ON THEM WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL WORK TO THE SUPPORTING MECHANISMS FOR THEM TO BE ATTACHED TO THESE RIPPLES.
I CAN ALMOST TELL YOU THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT I SEE AROUND, UM, YOU HANG THIS METAL FRAME ON THERE, UH, THAT'S GONNA PICK UP ADDITIONAL WIND LOADING, UH, ISSUES JUST BY VIRTUE OF IT BEING ATTACHED.
AND THAT WILL BE A MAJOR ISSUE FROM A, FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT.
BUT, UM, SO BASICALLY YOUR TASK IS FAIRLY EASY.
UH, I'LL MAKE IT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND THAT THE PASSAGE ERA WOULD CREATE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR BILLBOARDS IN THE COUNTY AND ALSO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE BILLBOARDS OVER THE LONGER TERM, UH, PARTICULARLY ON HIGH WINDOWS, SUCH AS HURRICANES OR OTHER, UH, OTHER HIGH WIND OF, UH, HURRICANES.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOTICED THAT THEY'RE COMING WELL IN ADVANCE.
I'D BE A LITTLE HARDER TO INVOKE THESE PROVISIONS FOR ALL NATIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I GUESS THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE OFF STRONG, STRONG COMING THROUGH WHERE ADAMS WOULD HAVE TO REACT TO REMOVE THE VINYL FROM THAT PARTICULAR IN A HURRICANE.
SO ERIC, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY HISTORY AND UNINCORPORATED PEOPLE FOR COUNTY OR ANYTHING WITH, UM, YEAH, THIS IS NOT A NEW, IT'S NOT A NEW ISSUE.
WE'VE HAD TO SERIOUS HURRICANES IN THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS, AND WE HADN'T EVEN MADE, THAT'S BEEN A SAFETY HAZARD AND ANY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, SINCE I'VE NOT BEEN HERE DURING A STRONG HURRICANE, I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
A BO OR LIZ WOULD HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT BETTER THAN I, I WOULD.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PUBLIC SAFETY INCIDENTS, UH, WITH THEIR SIGNS, BUT, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER THAT.
YEAH, LET ME ADD, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE AND LIZ CAN, CAN ADD ONTO THIS, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU JUST FROM WHAT I KNOW, BECAUSE ERIC AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THINGS, UM, THAT WERE PERTAINING TO HURRICANE MATTHEW, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE I, I CAME HERE.
WE GO AROUND AND WE REMOVE THOSE 300
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POUND METAL HURRICANE FACES FROM OUR BILLBOARDS.THAT'S BEEN THE STANDARD LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE AND THAT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TO GO AROUND WITH AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR, WITH ONE ROOM TRUCK, AND THEY WORK INTO THE NIGHT.
THEY WORK, THEY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK TO GET THESE THINGS DOWN.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY MAJOR DAMAGE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET THESE TRUCKS IN AND WORK AROUND THE CLOCK THROUGH THE NIGHT AND GET THESE THINGS LAID ON THE GROUND, WHICH PREVENTS IT.
WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS EXACTLY THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO DO THAT WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS ATTACH A LIGHTWEIGHT ALUMINUM FRAME, WHICH I WANT TO, I WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT MR. GREENWAY, THESE THINGS WEIGH ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF THE WEIGHT OF THE EXISTING METAL FACES THAT ARE ON THE BILLBOARDS.
SO THAT'S NOT ACCURATE WHEN YOU SAY THAT THESE THINGS ARE ADDING LATE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT A FOURTH OF THE WAY OF THOSE METAL FACES.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS OUR FOUR OPERATIONS GUYS TO GO INDIVIDUALLY OUT INTO THE MARKET DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS IN DAYLIGHT AND PULL THE VINYLS DOWN BY THEMSELVES.
RIGHT NOW IT TAKES FOUR DYES TO USE WITH THE TRUCK AND A GUY IN THE TRUCK.
SO FIVE MINUTES TO REMOVE ONE OUTDATED BILLBOARD FACE BECAUSE THEY, THE WAY THEY HAVE TO GET UP THERE AND HOOK IT UP WITH A CRANE.
YEAH, THAT WAS, UH, LET ME JUST CLARIFY ONE THING THAT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING, UH, BILLBOARD SUPPORT STRUCTURES LAST YEAR AROUND THE COUNTY.
NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY THAT THESE PARTICULAR FRAMES.
SO LET ME TELL YOU, LET ME EXPLAIN ONE OTHER THING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE FULL KNOWLEDGE ON DEALT WITH THESE SITUATIONS ON THIS 50% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE, UH, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE I'VE WORKED.
AND IT'S VERY HARD TO REACH THAT THRESHOLD ON A BILLBOARD BECAUSE MOST OF THE VALUE OF A BILLBOARD IS NEVER GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE WIND, UNLESS IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY PULL THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE LOOSE, UH, IN THE GROUND, IT COULD HAPPEN, BUT MOST OF THEM BY YOU AND MORE THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE BILLBOARD FROM AN APPRAISAL STANDPOINT IS, UH, UNDERNEATH THE EARTH, UH, IN THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURE FOR THE BILLBOARD.
WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT BILLBOARDS IN, IN REALITY, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE REALLY A MO BROWN, YOU'VE GOT A PIE THING, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME CHANNEL METAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY PAST EXPERIENCE THAT THE 50% PROVISION EVEN GENERALLY COME UP SHORT ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE BILLBOARD, ERIC, THIS IS MITCH.
I HAD A QUESTION, IT SEEMS TO ME IN MEETING THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE AND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLAN, UH, YOU'RE THE BAND DIRECTOR AND THE STAFF SHARED WITH US THAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT, I GUESS, OF THE COUNSELORS MAKING BODY WAS THAT THE SIGNS WOULD EVENTUALLY GO AWAY WHILE NOT DIRECTLY HAVING AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT BY FORCING THEM TO GO AWAY AT THE TIME THIS LANGUAGE WAS PUT INTO EFFECT.
SO AS I LISTENED TO THIS, IF THE INTENT IS FOR THE SCIENCE TO GO AWAY, THEN, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THEM THROUGH STRESS AND THAT KIND OF TAKES AWAY THAT INTACT.
SO IT WOULD BE QUIET, KIND OF A CHANGING OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS.
I CAN, I CAN SEE BOTH OBJECTED BY STRENGTHENING AND PUTTING THIS METAL STRIP AROUND IT, WHETHER INTENTIONALLY OR NOT, IT ALLOWS FOR A LONGER LENS.
WELL, FOR THE LONGEVITY OF THE SIGN, NO, TO GO ON FOR HOWEVER LONG, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT METAL WILL SUPPORT IT IN PERPETUITY.
SO I THINK AS A MATTER OF DETERMINING, WELL, DO WE WANT TO STICK WITH IT? WHICH WAS THAT THE SIGNS AND THAT INCORPORATED AREAS WOULD GO AWAY JUST THROUGH DETERIORATION OR DO WE WANT TO ALLOW OR CHANGE THE CODE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE SCIENCE MAY STAY AS LONG AS THEY'RE SAFE, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT BO WAS SAYING, HEY, BY STRENGTHENING THE SIGNS, WE MAKE THEM SAY THE FRINGE BENEFIT OF THAT IS, YEAH, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SCIENCE GOING AWAY BECAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY REPAIRING THE SIGN OR MAKING A STRONGER INTERCESSOR, WHICH KIND OF GETS AROUND.
IT WAS IT, THE SIGNS WOULD GO AWAY THROUGH ATTRITION, UH, OVER TIME.
SO I, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GET,
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WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CODE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER IS THAT'S BASICALLY YOUR CHARGE, UH, AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE AS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.UM, PERSONALLY, IF I'M SITTING IN YOUR POSITION AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION ON HOW LIKELY IT IS THAT THESE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO AWAY BASED ON THE EXISTING WORDING OF THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.
BUT IF WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT THE 50% OF A SITUATION IS ACCURATE, THEN THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THESE SIGNS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY IN THE FUTURE IS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER GET TO THE POINT OF BEYOND, UH, BEYOND BEING MORE THAN 50 BRUCE SENT TO REPAIR IT.
I WAS, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF BEAUTIFUL, THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE PROPOSED.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS CAN BE CHANGED.
I MEAN, THIS IS THIS, ISN'T MY FORTE TO WRITE, YOU KNOW, THAT, TO MAKE IT EXACTLY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
BUT, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ERIC CAN STEP IN WHEN THE, WHEN THE TIME COMES.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO ADD WAS MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE SIGN PHASE TO IMPROVE HURRICANE SAFETY.
AND IT SAID HURRICANE FRAMES, AND IT GOES ON, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC, THIS IS NOT NOTHING WE ARE DOING HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE BILLBOARD.
IT IS ATTACHED TO THE ADVERTISING PHASE, WHICH CURRENTLY WE GO AND REMOVE THAT WHEN A HURRICANE'S COMING, THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE AND AN EASE OF OPERATION FOR US ISSUE.
SO IT, IT, IT, IT KIND OF PAINS ME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, YOU'RE STRENGTHENING THE BILLBOARD.
ACTUALLY, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT STRENGTHENING.
UM, I, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SPECIFIC IN WHAT WE'RE SAYING, AND WE'RE DOING THAT IN A WAY TO TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THAT I'M NOT GOING IN THERE AND WRAPPING METAL EMBRACING ANYTHING.
I'M NOT BRACING ANY OF THE BILLBOARD STRUCTURE.
ALL RIGHT, MICHELLE, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
THERE WAS ONE ERIC, I THINK YOU SAID SEXUALLY HAD A QUESTION EARLIER.
I SEE KEVIN HAS HIS HAND UP, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION OR NOW I GOT A QUESTION.
I THINK, I THINK MITCH IS RIGHT ON THE INTENT ISSUE.
VERY CLEARLY BEING THE LORDS PLAYER.
AND, UM, WE INTEND TO IS CLEAR.
UM, I JUST BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL FOR THIS WORD SAFETY AROUND.
UM, I COME FROM AN INDUSTRY WHERE SAFETY WAS, UM, PARAMOUNT AND I CAME FROM THE UTILITY INDUSTRY WORKING VERY WHAT'S THAT SIGN IS DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARD.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS.
IS IT CATEGORY ONE, CATEGORY TWO, CATEGORY THREE, WHATEVER IT IS, IT SHOULD BE REAL SIMPLE.
I DON'T CARE IF IT COSTS A DOLLAR TO FIX OR A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX THE SIGN, COME DOWN IF IT'S NOT SAFE.
SO IF WE HIT SAFETY AS A REASON TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS, NOT SAYING, TAKE IT DOWN AND THAT'S IT, PROBLEM SOLVED.
UM, SO I I'M, I'M NOT LEANING TOWARDS RECOMMENDING THIS, SO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? OH, AND I'VE WONDERED, THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE QUESTION OF CLARIFICATION.
SO, WELL, YOU SAID THAT, ARE THERE ANY, UM, BILLBOARDS IN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY THAT HAVE THESE HURRICANES ATTACHED TO THEM? YOU SAID IN THE CITY OF BUFORD, BUT ARE THERE ANY, I THINK I MUST'VE MISHEARD.
NO, MA'AM, THEY'RE THERE IN THE, IN UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY, WHAT WE'RE DOING, NO HURRICANE FRAMES, UM, IN THE CITY OF BUFORD, WE HAVE THREE BILLBOARD STRUCTURES IN THE CITY OF BUFORD.
ALL OF THEM AS OF NOW HAVE HURRICANE FRAMES.
AND IF YOU, IF YESTERDAY OR, WELL, THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, WE HAD A STORM COMING ON.
ONE OF THE PERSONS ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM WORK, THEY STOPPED BY AND TOOK THE VINYLS OUT.
SO THAT JUST IN CASE WE DID GET THAT STORM, THE WIND WOULD BLOW.
AND CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF HOW MANY BILLBOARDS YOU'VE HAD IN THE CONDITIONS YOU'VE DESCRIBED FROM SAY NOT SO GREAT.
YOU HAVE AN UNINCORPORATED SUPER COUNTY.
ARE WE TALKING A HUNDRED OR ARE WE TALKING? OKAY.
UH, WE, WE HAVE OVERALL, WE HAVE 50, 46 STRUCTURES AND UNINCORPORATED BUFORD COUNTY.
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AND I WOULD SAY OUT OF THOSE 46 STRUCTURES, 43 OF THEM ARE OUTDATED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY SAFETY MODIFICATIONS DUE TO THE CURRENT SIGN CODE THAT WE WORK UNDER.YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW, ANOTHER INDUSTRY OUT THERE AND SOMEBODY PLEASE POINT ME TO ONE, IF THERE'S ANOTHER INDUSTRY OUT THERE THAT IS NOT ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUSINESS, THEIR HOME, THEIR BUSINESS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO STAY IN, STAY WITH CURRENT, WITH SAFETY ISSUES.
I MEAN, I KIND OF BRUISED KEVIN ON THIS, ABOUT THE COMPLICATIONS OF WHAT SAFETY MEANS, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE WERE TO, UM, NOT RECOMMEND STAFF'S REQUEST, IT WOULD MEAN WHAT YOU CALL EASE OF OPERATION FOR YOUR COMPANY.
SO I GET THAT, BUT LIKE, AS A HOMEOWNER, ALL OF US DEAL WITH AMORTIZATION ALL OVER WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE REFRESHED.
I MEAN, THAT LITERALLY COST YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS.
SO, I MEAN, ARE YOU ASKING US TO KIND OF SHARE THE RISK OF YOUR COST OF DOING BUSINESS? THEN I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ABOUT THAT.
TH THIS WOULDN'T COST THE COUNTY, ANYTHING, THIS IS COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET, BUT LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
UM, BEFORE I MOVED WITH HURRICANE MATTHEW, I WAS LIVING IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
WE HAD A FAMILY BUILD BILLBOARD BUSINESS.
I POOLED A 15 FOOT TALL PANEL, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT CAN, WHAT'S HIS, WHAT MAKES UP THESE BILLBOARD FACES? AND THE BILLBOARDS ARE JUST LARGER.
I PICK PULLED ONE OF THOSE OUT OF A FAMILY'S GARAGE.
IT WAS STUCK FOR THEIR GARAGE, FROM ONE OF OUR BILLBOARDS FROM DOWN THE STREET, IT BLEW OFF AND EMBEDDED ITSELF THROUGH THE GARAGE.
YOU, YOU COULD SEE IT THROUGH THE ROOF WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE THE GARAGE.
IT WASN'T IN THEIR LIVING ROOM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THESE FACES, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HURRICANES DO.
MY JOB IS, UH, THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, MR. THE CHAIRMAN.
UM, THIS CAME UP BEFORE THE MPC AND, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM, UM, BEAU'S BRIEF TO US AT THE NPC.
IT'S SIMPLY A SAFETY ISSUE AS IS STATED NUMEROUS TIMES.
I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE MAKING MORE OF THIS, UH, THAN IT REALLY IS.
UH, THERE'S EASE OF HAVING THEM SIT DOWN AND DURING HURRICANES FOLKS DON'T NEED TO BE OUT TRYING TO TAKE BILLBOARDS AND THEY CAN GET IT DONE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA COORDINATION AND THE HOURS IT TAKES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD END RESULT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RESISTANCE IS IN TERMS OF, UM, THIS BELIEF THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ELONGATE THEIR, THE LIFE OF THAT BILLBOARD ONCE IT'S, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, W NO LONGER, UM, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BOYS OR, UH, SUPPORT THAT TO, TO ELONGATE THE LIFE.
IF THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BACK CAROLINA ON THIS AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE MIXING UP SEVERAL DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
ALL THEY'RE REALLY ASKING TO DO IS TO REPLACE THE METAL FACE OF A BILLBOARD.
THEY'RE NOT REPLACING THE STRUCTURE.
THEY'RE NOT THE STRUCTURAL ASPECT OF REPLACING A HEAVY METAL STRUCTURE WHERE THE LIGHTWEIGHT TRAINING'S COVERED IN VINYL, THAT THEY CAN TAKE DOWN EASILY.
I MEAN, I'VE HAD THROUGH THIS ON THE MPC AS WELL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SAFETY PERMANENTLY FOR PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND, BUT ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO MAKE THESE BILLBOARDS SAFE BEFORE A STORM.
AND IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYTHING WORK BEFORE, YOU KNOW, A LARGE HURRICANE MY VIEW BY DOING THIS, WE'RE NOT ELONGATING THE LIFESPAN BILLBOARDS ANY MORE THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING IT EASIER FOR THEM TO MAKE FOR THE COMPANY TO MAKE THEM SAFE FOR SNOWING.
THEN THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I LIKE TO MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT BEFORE I ASKED FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
UM, AND I THINK RAY RANDOLPH BROUGHT THIS UP FIRST, THE ASKED THE QUESTION, HAVE THE SIGNS BEEN ENGINEERING CERTIFIED, AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO FALL DOWN.
THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE CONDUCTS, A SAFETY AZURE AND OF ITSELF.
UM, SOMEBODY UP ON THEIR STRUCTURE, IT FALLS DOWN.
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IT FALLS DOWN AT SOMEBODY'S CAR OR PROPERTY.WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE TO, UM, THIS PROVISION TO BE APPLICABLE ONLY TO WHERE A CURRENT SIGN IS CURRENTLY ENGINEERED CERTIFIED TO BE A CONDITION FOR HURRICANE SAFETY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE SAID THAT THERE WAS SOME STATEMENT OF ABOUT 83 OUT OF 46 SIGNS BEING IN AN ABOMINABLE SITUATION.
IF AN ENGINEER, THEIR ENERGY ENGINEERING CERTIFIED NOT TO BE SAFE, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE ADDING TO THAT UNSAFE CONDITION.
AND SO MY, MY PROVISION WOULD BE, UH, TO NOT ALLOW FOR THIS, UH, AMENDMENT ON SIR, ON SIGNAGE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY ENGINEER CERTIFIED.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, PLENTY TO DO ALREADY AND IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING ONLY IMPROVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE SIGN FOR A STORM AND IMPROVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE SIGN IN TERMS OF ITS LONGEVITY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP THE WOOD FROM ROTTEN AND IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT ANY BETTER.
UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY WILL MAKE IT SAFER.
AND IN A HIGH WIND EVENT, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE.
I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF BILLBOARDS EITHER, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE LOGIC OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, CAROLYN I'VE LISTENED TO THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND IT REALLY IS ABOUT GETTING THE DEBRIS OR POSSIBLE DEBRIS GO ON BEFORE A STORM.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER YOU CAN DO IT RELATIVELY EASILY AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MURRAY OUT THERE, OR YOU MAY ONLY BE ABLE TO GET THE ONES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE EASY, AND THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE TIME TO DO, AND THE REST OF THEM ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, BLOW IN THE WIND.
AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING FOR ANYBODY, UM, REGARDLESS.
UM, CAN I HAVE HIM PAY AN AMENDMENT, A MOTION FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE CANADIAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE? AND IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE EMOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU READ THE MOTION THAT YOU DID YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT IN THE MOTIONS WHILE WE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE USING HURRICANES AND MR. CHAIRMAN I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
KEVIN, WHEN YOU WERE MUTED, SAY THAT AGAIN? NO, KEVIN, NO.
KEVIN, MICHELLE, CAROLINE, ASHLEY, JASON, MITCH, MITCH.
MAJOR OFF TO ME IS THAT I THINK FRANK AND I VOTE.
WE'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, NAYS, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
WE'LL CARRY THIS FORWARD TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE.
WE'LL GO TO NATURAL RESOURCES, UH, AT THEIR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS.
WE'LL LET YOU GO FROM THE CALL UNLESS YOU WISH TO STAY ON AND LISTEN TO IMPACT, PLEASE.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON FOR NEXT YEAR, AS SOON AS EVERYBODY'S CLEAR.
[8. Consideration of Approval – Impact Fee Study Update]
ALL RIGHT, ERIC, ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT ISSUE? I BELIEVE WE ARE.WE HAVE NO FACEBOOK COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IT AT ANY MOMENT NOW.
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SO LET ME PULL UP MY SCREEN.I'M GOING TO PULL UP THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL SAW, UH, AT YOUR WORKSHOP, BUT ONLY AS A MATTER OF REFERENCE, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU ALL WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
UM, I WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION FAR AS SCHEDULING IS CONCERNED HERE.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE CONSULTANTS ON STANDBY, BUT THEY ARE TRAVELING AND ARE IN AIRPORTS AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO IF WE DO NEED TO CALL THEM, WE CAN POSSIBLY REACH THEM.
OTHERWISE, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO, UH, THEY CAN, UH, DO THAT, UH, SEPARATELY, UH, FOR YOU ALL.
WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET A DECISION, UH, ON A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS EVENING.
SO LET ME JUMP TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE, UH, WITH YOU.
UM, THIS IS A MATTER OF A MATTER OF PROCEDURE HERE.
THERE HAS BEEN, UH, OVER THE PAST WEEK OR SO, UH, QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU EITHER BY A COMMISSIONERS AND OR OTHERS, OR HAVE ANY INTERESTED PARTIES.
UH, HOW DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS? UM, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE.
I HAVE THEM UP ON MY SCREEN HERE, SO I'VE SEEN THOSE AND I CAN, UH, I HAVE THEM RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, I THINK.
UH, MR. STEWART HAS A QUESTION.
SO LET ME, UM, LET ME, UM, BRIEFLY, UH, I MUST SAY I HAD A PREVIOUS COMMITMENT TIL TONIGHT, UH, THAT I HAVE TO ATTEND AND SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM, UM, WE SHALL WELL, ALL RIGHT.
SO I CAN READ THE QUESTIONS INITIALLY, IF YOU AND WALKED THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK, IF YOU PREFER THAT I DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN GO IN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
SO WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE DO DEAL WITH THE QUESTIONS FIRST SO THAT WE CAN GET THOSE OFF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS MINDS TO HAVE THOSE THINGS HANGING OUT THERE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, WE ON ARE HOW AND WHEN ARE THE FEES IMPLEMENTED? FOR EXAMPLE, A 500 UNIT PUD HAS A 250 A UNIT HOUSE BUILT OUR GRV THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSE BUILT.
THE NEW FEE GOES INTO EFFECT ON DECEMBER ONE, IF THE DEVELOPER POLES A BUILDING PERMANENT DECEMBER 2ND, DOES HE PAY THE FEE OF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THE IMPACT FEES ARE PAID AT THE TIME THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
SO IF THERE IS NO BUILDING PERMIT, A VALID BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT PARTICULAR LAW AT THE TIME, THIS IMPACT, IT GOES INTO EFFECT, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THAT FEE ON THE DATE, THE IMPACT HE GOES INTO EFFECT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD FOR ANY NEW PERMITS, DO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS INCLUDE OR ADDRESS IMPACT FEES, SOME EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS ADDRESS, UH, IMPACT FEES AS IT RELATES TO SCHOOL CAPACITY FEES THAT WE DID NOT HAVE IN EFFECT, BUT WE ARE ADOPTED AS A PART OF THIS.
AND GENERALLY THOSE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL PAY AN X NUMBER OF DOLLARS UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE COUNTY, UH, ADOPTS A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE.
AND THEN THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME WOULD BE PAYABLE THROUGH THE COUNTY BY THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UNDERNEATH THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, ADDRESS ALL FEES AND PERMIT FEES, AND BASICALLY REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO PAY THE FEE, UH, FOR THE IMPACT FEES AND ANY PERMIT FEES AND INCREASES THAT OCCUR AT A LATER DATE, UH, PER THOSE INCREASES.
SO, UM, THESE QUESTIONS ARE FOR GUM, FROM COMMISSIONER, UH, HANDLING KEN, THE FEES BEING IMPLEMENTED TO LIMIT THE IMPACT ON SMALL HOME BUILDERS WHO BUILT SEVERAL HOMES A YEAR.
NO, THE IMPACT FEE IS BASED ON THE IMPACT TO COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE AND UNITS, AND NOT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS.
SO, UH, EVEN THOUGH AN INDIVIDUAL MIGHT BE A SMALL BUSINESS, UH, THE IMPACT FOR A HOUSE IS STILL THE IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, AND IT HAS TO BE PAID EQUALLY.
UH, JUST AS IN THE CASE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF THE COUNTY COUNCIL WAIVES IMPACT FEES OR REDUCES IMPACT FEES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, THE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THOSE FEES, SOME OTHER WAYS.
SO THE FEES GET PAID, UH, REGARDLESS, UH, FOURTH QUESTION,
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UM, AND THIS COMES FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH,THE BOND RAFTER LEAN, UM, ADDRESSED THIS IN PART, BUT AS REFERENDUM AND NOT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC, THE NORTH OF THE BROAD IMPACT FEES WERE CONSIDERED AS A PART OF THE SCHOOL REPORT.
BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT THE SCHOOL CAPACITY NORTH OF THE BROAD FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ANY FUTURE GROWTH THAT'S PROJECTED TO HAPPEN NORTH OF THE ABROAD THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND AFTER THAT GROWTH WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, IT WAS STILL DETERMINED THAT THE NORTH OF ABROAD SCHOOL ATTENDANCE ZONES WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT GROWTH.
SO, NO, WE ARE PAYING FEES COULD BE US.
UM, SECOND, UH, SECOND QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER MILAN.
I UNDERSTAND BLUFFTON HAS GROWN BY A LARGER FACTOR, LESS THAN HILTON HEAD, AND THEN NORTH OF BROAD, SOME SCHOOLS, UH, NORTH OF THE BROADER, UNDER UTILIZED, UM, WHY THIS GROWTH NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR IMPACT THESE AND PLANNING.
AGAIN, ALL OF THE GROWTH WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND STUDIES WERE DONE FOR SCHOOL IMPACT THESE BOATS, NORTH OF THE BROAD AND SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
AND AFTER DOING THOSE REPORTS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT EVEN WITH THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS NORTH OF THE BROAD AND WITH THE IMPROVEMENT PROPOSED BY THE BOND REFERENDUMS, THAT THERE WOULD STILL BE PLENTY OF EXCESS CAPACITY NORTH OF THE BRAWLER TO HANDLE THAT GROWTH IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
THEREFORE THE NORTH OF THE BROAD WAS NOT ELIGIBLE TO DO A SCHOOL IMPACT FEE.
WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS SUPPORTS AND NEGOTIATION FOR MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE WHO DECIDES, AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS WITH A MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE IS BASED ON THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, THAT'S RUN BY THE CONSULTANTS BASED ON THE, UH, PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL FEE AND BASED ON THE PROJECTION OF GROWTH AND THE PERCENTAGE PER HOUSEHOLD, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, GROWTH WOULD, UH, HAVE TO ASSUME AS A RESULT OF THAT ON THE IMPACT.
AND THAT'S HOW THE MAXIMUM, SOME PORTABLE FEE IS ARRIVED AT, UH, YOU ALL, AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL DECIDE ULTIMATELY WHAT THOSE FINAL FEE STRUCTURES LOOK LIKE.
UM, AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE EXERCISE THAT WE UNDERTAKE THE NIGHT, UH, AS A PART OF YOU CARRYING OUT THE STUDY, THAT'S REQUIRED BY YOU UNDERNEATH THE STATE LAW.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHAT THE FINAL FEES ARE AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AND ESTABLISHED, AND OUR GOVERNMENT LIBRARY.
UM, LET ME, LET ME READ THIS LAST QUESTION HERE.
SO BASICALLY THE, UH, ISSUE IS WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN I, I THINK EXISTING USER CONVERTS INTO A DIFFERENT USE OR CHANGES LIKE A GOLF COURSE CHANGES INTO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN THE, UM, THE SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE THERE WITH THAT IS IT, IN SOME CASES YOU HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT IF AN IMPACT FEE WAS ALREADY PAID FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE AND, UM, SUBTRACT THE DIFFERENCE OR ADD TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO USERS.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF SOMEONE HAS AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THEY WANT TO CONVERT THAT TO A DRIVE IN A DRY, A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW, THEN THEY WOULD GET THE DIFFERENT STATE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW RESTAURANT VERSUS AN OFFICE AREA.
SO WHATEVER THE TRIP GENERATION RATES WOULD BE DIFFERENTLY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING, BUT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY OFFICE IMPACT THING.
AND THEN WHEN IT CONVERTS, PAID THE ENTIRE RESTAURANT FEE ON TOP OF THAT, THEY WOULD GET SOME BREAK ON THE CHANGE OF USE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE MR. DOOSEY, ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS DONE HAS SOMETHING HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I HAVE, UM, I HAVE, WE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
I'D LIKE YOU TO SHARE WITH THE GROUP AND THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND I'D LIKE YOU TO SHARE WITH THEM THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, JUST FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.
TO ME, IT APPEARS THAT LESS THAN 10%, APPROXIMATELY 26 MILLION OF THE 2019 SCHOOL BOND REFERENDUM, WHICH CREDIT AGAINST PROPOSED SCHOOL IMPACT
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FEES QUESTION, WHO ARE THE ARBITRATORS AND CREDITS, AND WHY WERE LESS THAN 10% OF THE 2019 SCHOOL BOND REV REFERENDUM CREDITS APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR OUR CONSULTANTS, BUT BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THEY RAN THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND DURING THEIR WORK AND DETERMINATION BASED ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND THE BOND REFERENDUMS AS TO WHAT THAT MONEY WAS GOING TO GO FOR, UH, THEY FIGURED THAT THAT PERCENTAGE, UM, WAS THE CORRECT AMOUNT TO ASSIGN AS A CREDIT FOR THE BOND REFERENDUM.I HAVE A HARD TIME ACCEPTING THAT IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE A FURTHER ANALYSIS DONE BY THE CONSULTANTS BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CONSULTANTS WERE TELLING US THAT, UM, THE WORK ON THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE IS STATISTICALLY AND LEGALLY SOUND WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE FEE.
I KNOW I GET THAT, BUT THAT, THAT GOES ALL INTO CALCULATING THE FEE.
FRANK, LET ME TAKE YOU OFF OF MUTE, MR. DISH.
ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS THAT, UH, AGE RESTRICTED, RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES ARE NOT EXCLUDED FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, IMPACT FEES, WHICH IS ABOUT $9,500.
I BELIEVE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES DO NOT HAVE ANY, DO NOT ALLOW ANY CHILDREN IN THEIR COMMUNITY THAT ARE SCHOOL AGE, UH, NEITHER ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL OR HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, I BELIEVES THE COMMUNITY I LIVE IN SUN CITY HAS AN AGE RESTRICTION OF 19 YEARS OF AGE BEFORE THEY COULD LIVE IN HERE PERMANENTLY.
IF A CHILD IS IN HERE, THE MOST THEY COULD BE THAT'S UNDER 19.
THE MOST STAY IN A HOUSE IS 30 DAYS.
SO THERE IS NOT ONE PERSON WHO LIVES IN AN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY THAT HAS CHILDREN OF SCHOOL-AGE OR ANY SCHOOL AGE.
AND I REALLY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE, UH, IMPACT FEES, THE SCHOOL.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, FOR AN AMENDMENT TO EXCLUDE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES FROM THE SCHOOL IN PUBLIC IMPACT TAX FEES.
UM, FRANK, WHEN YOU SAY AGE, YOU WERE REFERRING TO 55, 60, 65, ONE EIGHT.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO WHATEVER AGE THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY HAS? UH, IT'S GENERALLY LIMITED TO 55 YEAR OLDS.
SO IT WOULD BE 55 AND OLDER THAN 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY.
UH, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT TO EXCLUDE THEM AND THAT $9,500 FAITH.
I'M NOT ASKING TO EXCLUDE ALL THE OTHER FEES I'M JUST ASKING, UH, FOR THEM TO BE EXCLUDED FROM.
UH, AND THIS GOES FOR ANY AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITY THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT IN BUFORD COUNTY IS ANY GOING TO BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR THAT EXCLUSION FOR THAT AMENDMENT IN THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE COMMUNITIES 55 AND OLDER, THEN WE SHOULD EXCLUDE ANYONE WHO PAYS FOR THE CHILDREN TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PAYING THE TUITION ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOTHING.
I THINK, UH, COLONEL MITCHELL HAS ONE.
LET ME TURN YOU ON HERE, ERIC.
I DON'T WANT TO CORRECT YOU, BUT IN GENERAL, I'M SORRY, AMONG FRIENDS.
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME, JASON.
UH, I, I, I AM SPEAKING AGAINST BOTH OF THOSE GUYS, PREVIOUS TWO GENTLEMEN.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN BUFORD NOW
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IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS I I'M IN CATEGORY, I'M BLESSED TO BE BACK.YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RETIREES WHO CLIMB AND LIVE IN THEIR RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES AND REALLY DON'T CONTRIBUTE MUCH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT NEED TO BE EDUCATED AND THOSE EDUCATED CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BENEFIT THOSE FOLKS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THEY WILL DO, THAT THOSE SEIZURES WILL BENEFIT FROM, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BENEFIT FROM THEM LESS BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET TO A CERTAIN AGE, YOU PROBABLY BOUGHT MOST OF THE THINGS YOU ASKED YOU WANT, AND YOU'RE REALLY NOT PUTTING MUCH BACK INTO SOCIETY ANYMORE.
UM, I WOULD ALWAYS BE AGAINST, UM, UM, CREDITS TO PEOPLE WHO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL BECAUSE THE FOLKS WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOL, THAT THAT JUST MAKES THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, UH, FURTHER BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THOSE RESOURCES SHOULD GO INTO THE, INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO SEND YOUR CHILD TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL HAVE AT IT, BUT THE POOR CHILD HAS TO GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR THAT.
I WOULD NOT QUIT ANYTHING ALONG THOSE TWO POINTS.
DONNA MITCHELL, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY TOO, THAT I ACTUALLY WOULDN'T VOTE FOR EITHER ONE, EITHER A PARTICULAR CASE, BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA HERE IS TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY USING A SCHOOL DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULDN'T SUPPORT IT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS TO CITIZENS DON'T, UH, ANYTHING, UH, IF YOU'D GO TO ANY RESTAURANT HERE, IF YOU GO TO, UH, THE HILTON THAT IF YOU GO TO HILTON HEAD, UH, THE THEATER, THE ART CENTER, MOST OF IT, AND I'VE BEEN TO QUITE A FEW SHOWS.
MOST OF THE SHOWS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE SENIORS WHO LIVED IN VIEW FIT COUNTY.
THE RESTAURANT BASICALLY SUPPORTED MY SENIORS WHO LIVE IN, IN, IN SEEING IT, UH, IN, UH,
WE CONTRIBUTE A LOT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
ALL COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY SELF-EFFICIENT.
WE DON'T, WE HAVE A 500 SEAT THEATER, WE HAVE A SOFTBALL, WE HAVE TYPICAL POOL.
SO WE HAVE A BASE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TENNIS COURT.
WE BUILD OUR OWN ROADS, BUT I'M NOT ASKING FOR US TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THAT.
I'M ASKING ANY BODY THAT COMES DOWN HERE AND NOW TO LIVE, BE EXCLUDED FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL IMPACT.
THESE ARE, I THINK, THAT WRONG.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN THAT YOU PAY THE SCHOOL TAX, WE SUPPORT, YOU COULD COUNT THESE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS WITH CHARITIES.
UH, SUN CITY HAS SO MANY CHARITIES.
UH, MY WIFE GO SPEND SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR WORKING FOR ONE CHARITY.
AND SHE'S TYPICAL OF JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WORKS, UH, CHARITIES IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, TO BUFORD COUNTY.
UM, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST FI THE SAY THAT SCENE IS DON'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING.
IF THAT'S THE WAY I CAME UP BY POLITICS.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE WE HAVE, WHICH IS OUR CHILDREN, THAT WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THAT.
SO, SO I, I'M NOT SAYING, BELIEVE ME, IF I, IF I, IF I SAID THAT I TAKE IT BACK AND I LIKE TO APOLOGIZE, BUT WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS I'M TRYING TO JUST EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THAT WAS DAY WHERE WE STILL, AS THAT PERSON, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE YOU AND ME 50 YEARS FROM NOW, UH, DOES NOT GET SHORTCHANGED UP AT THE FRIDAY.
SOME CITY BELIEVE IT IN THAT TAKES CARE OF IT, OFFERED CHURCHES THAT OFFER FOOD.
LET ME SEE, LET ME SUGGEST THIS, I THINK, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ASSESSMENT, KEVIN
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MEASURE, ANALYZE HOLDING THIS HANDLER? I BELIEVE KEVIN, KEVIN, KEVIN.I I'VE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE IN MY PRIOR LIFE IN NEW YORK AND, AND DOWN HERE, UM, BEEN INVOLVED WITH, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON A NUMBER.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, AND IT MIGHT BE A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW, BUT IN LIFE WE HAVE THE SMALL, TOUGH PILLS.
EVERYBODY COMMUNITY BENEFITS FROM A GOOD SCHOOL SYSTEM.
THAT INCLUDES THE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
SHOULD WE SHOULD PEOPLE WHOSE CHILDREN ARE UNDER FOUR, NOT PAY THE IMPACT FEE? NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN SUN CITY CHILDREN HAVE MOVED TO BUFORD COUNTY? BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS WHAT IT IS.
HE DIDN'T MOVE TO JASPER COUNTY.
HE DIDN'T MOVE TO WALTERBORO OR OTHER PLACES OR TRUMP OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
THEY MOVED TO BUFORD TO BE MOVED HERE AND THEY PAID THE SCHOOL.
HANG ON, GUYS, LET US PLEASE A LITTLE DECORUM MOVE TO BUFORD COUNTY.
SO THE CHILDREN TO GO TO, TO A GOOD SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY MOVED THEIR FAMILIES.
SO MANY PEOPLE, FRIENDS OF MINE, UM, TH TH THEIR PARENTS LIVE IN SUN CITY, THE GRANDPARENTS OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M SORRY, EVERYBODY, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS IMPACT, AND THAT'S ANOTHER DEBATE BY THE WAY, A WHOLE NOTHER, AND I'M NOT THERE YET.
I GOT TO TELL YOU, BUT IF WE DO EVERY SINGLE PERSON PAYS, WE DON'T EXCLUDE PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
LIKE MITCH SAID, WE DON'T EXCLUDE OVER 55 COMMUNITIES.
WE DON'T EXCLUDE PARENTS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS YET.
CONCEPTUALLY, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A COMMENT? UM, THANK YOU.
UM, MR. DOUCHEY, I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO CHARITY, BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY A SYSTEMIC ISSUE.
SO I'M ECHOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID.
IF YOU COULD LOOK AHEAD 10 YEARS AND LET'S SAY YOU NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, A SMART KID WHO WENT THROUGH THE BUFORD HIGH SCHOOLS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WENT TO COLLEGE, CAME CERTIFIED PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, A NURSING ASSISTANT AND SO ON.
I THINK IT'S IN YOUR INTEREST.
OR LET US SAY THE COMMUNITY OF SUN CITY LOOKING FORWARD, THAT IS YOU WILL BENEFIT OR YOUR COMMUNITY OF OVER 55 WILL BENEFIT FROM A BED, BETTER EDUCATED WORKFORCE.
OF COURSE, WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT.
TAXPAYERS WILL BENEFIT THE TAX BASE WILL GROW, BUT IN FACT, YOUR COMMUNITY MIGHT BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UM, I FIND YOUR POINT OF VIEW, DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT, UM, YOU ARE PART OF A LARGER COMMUNITY.
AND I DO THINK IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYONE.
SO I'D LIKE TO, AT THIS TIME, ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND ANY, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
WHEN DID HAVE ONE MOTION MADE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER OBTAINED A SECOND.
SO YOU PROBABLY NEED TO TRY TO FINALIZE FRANK, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE EXEMPTION, LIKE 55 BUCKS SHOULD I MADE, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY SECONDS.
SO IS THERE A SECOND THERE BEING NO SECOND, THERE IS, THERE IS MOTION.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE IMPACT FEES AS PRESENTED? MAY I HAVE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED? ALL RIGHT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND FOR THE EMOTION FOR EVERYBODY'S MIKE SON, ERIC.
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I THOUGHT THEY WERE.UM, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE, SO I CAN MAKE, WE CAN GET A SECOND.
CAN YOU TELL HER MOTION TO APPROVE THE IMPERFECT MEANS AS PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER BIKES AFTER THE DISCUSSION IN QUESTION, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? OKAY.
I WILL A SECONDARY EMOTION, I GUESS I'M THE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT? I'M SORRY.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION POSITIVELY TOO? YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SECOND EMOTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I AM EIGHT OR NINE, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SECOND IT OR NOT.
HE CAN CHECK IN IT'S OWN BOAT, BUT IT'S NOT HIS BOAT.
I SAID HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTION, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF SOMEONE.
THE ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE NO ONE WHO WAS DESIRING TO SECOND THE MOTION, THEN WHY DID WE ASK FOR A MOTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MAYBE, MAYBE IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONTINUE WITH THE DISCUSSION, UH, ON STOOD OF, UM, STOOD OF, UH, OF HAVING A MOTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WELL, EVEN AFTER WE HAVE A MOTION, WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT IN A WAY THAT WE COULDN'T GET.
IF WE COULDN'T GET A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO ACCEPT, THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT MOTION.
IF PEOPLE NEED TO SEE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THEM.
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN HAD HAD A COMMENT.
I DID ERIC WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS NOT ABOUT WHETHER AN OFFICE RETAIL PLACE WOULD GO THROUGH DRIVE-THRU QUESTION TO YOU SPECIFICALLY, AND WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS COME BEFORE US, WHETHER IT CHANGED YOUR VIEWS.
THAT IS AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHETHER, FOR EXAMPLE, ISLAND WEST GOLF COURSE WOULD GO FROM THAT TO, UM, RETAIL.
SO, SO MY QUESTION REALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THOSE IMPACT FEES, PERCENTAGES CREDITS.
I MEAN, I JUST, HAVEN'T GOTTEN A SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM YOU ON THAT.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, RECOGNITION TO THE, TO GO FOR A VOTE HERE.
I GET THAT, BUT I GUESS I DIDN'T RAISE MY HAND BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN ANSWERED.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU DID MENTION IN MY NOTE TO YOU THAT THE ONLY PLACE IN BUFORD COUNTY THAT A NEW SCHOOL, UM, IS BEING SUGGESTED IS ON LADY'S ISLAND.
AND, UH, ED BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT THE LADY'S ISLAND, VERY CONGESTED CORRIDOR BEFORE.
BUT SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME IS EVEN THOUGH IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR HOUSTON COUNTY BOARD OF ED, THAT SCHOOLS NOW, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A HUNDRED, ONE OH 7% CAPACITY THAT THOSE KIDS COULD BE DISPERSED INTO UNDER UTILIZED SCHOOLS IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY.
CAUSE TO ME THAT'S A PROBLEM OF AGGREGATION.
I MEAN, YOU WILL HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING INTO LADY'S ISLAND, EXPLODING THAT POPULATION TELLING THEM NO, YOUR KIDS CAN'T GO TO SCHOOL ON THIS ISLAND AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IMPACT FEES FOR DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO FEEL THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SAYS, LOOK, YOU NEED TO DEVELOP A NEW SCHOOL ON LADY'S ISLAND AND JUST DISPERSE THEM.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE LAW OF AVERAGES, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF POLITICAL BLOW BACK FROM THAT.
AND OF COURSE TRACKING THAT QUESTION HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY ANSWERED PRINTED OFF.
FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE SCHOOL, UM, QUESTION, UH, THAT WAS VETTED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEY KNOW THEIR GROWTH PROJECTIONS BETTER THAN ANYONE.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MADE IT INTO THE IMPACT.
THE STUDY THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
SO THEIR GROWTH PROJECTIONS BETTER THAN ANY OF US AND KNOW HOW THEY PLAN TO ALLOCATE THEIR GROWTH AND ATTENDANCE, UM, FOR THAT GROWTH, UH, OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS FOR THE PERIOD OF THIS PARTICULAR STUDY.
SO I WOULD JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, GOING
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FORWARD.UM, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY WERE HAD WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE SCHOOL BOARD BASICALLY RECOMMENDED THAT THIS PARTICULAR FEE BE ADOPTED AND BE THE ONLY FEE ADOPTED FOR THE AREA SOUTH OF THE BRAWL.
SECONDLY, WITH REGARDS TO CHANGE OF USE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE USE THAT TURNS INTO A RESIDENTIAL USE, BASICALLY ANY IMPACT FEE THAT GOT PAID AS A PART OF THAT, A NEUTRAL USE WOULD HAVE TO BE CREDITED TO THE DEGREE OF THE IMPACT FOR THE NEW USE, THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES, SINCE THERE WAS NO SCHOOL IMPACT FEE PAID FOR THE COMMERCIAL USE INITIALLY, AND IT TURNED INTO RESIDENTIAL, THE SCHOOL IMPACT WOULD BE PAID AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSION, BUT IF A TRANSPORTATION FEE WAS PAID, THEN THE NEWS WOULD ONLY PAY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE IMPACT BETWEEN THE USE OF SO, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS WITHOUT KNOWING THE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS, BUT YEAH, THEY DO GET A CREDIT FOR ANY EXISTING THINGS THAT THEY PAID BECAUSE THE IMPACT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS, FOR, AS, AS TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS WERE CONCERNED AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM A COMMERCIAL USER.
SO THEY COULD BE GETTING A CREDIT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
IF IT'S A CHANGE YEARS, THEY COULD BE PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE, DEPENDING ON THE IMPACT OF THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
AGAIN, COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL OR LIBRARIES, THEY WOULD PAY THE FULL FEE FOR COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, FOR FIRE AND NOT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING ON NATIONALLY.
UH, ADDITIONALLY MAY BE A WASH.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION IF POSSIBLE, JASON, HOW DOES ANNEXATION INTO JEFF COUNTY PLAY INTO THIS SCENARIO? UM, SO LET ME TAKE THAT TO DIFFERENT, UM, SITUATIONS, UM, IN ORDER FOR, IN ORDER FOR AN ANNEXATION OF COUNTIES TO OCCUR, THAT TAKES A REFERENDUM IN A BOAT BY THE CITIZENS.
IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO ANNEX SANCTION, BOB MUNICIPALITY AND BUFORD COUNTY, SUCH AS HARDY VALE OR BLUFFING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE STATE LAW IS CLEAR ON WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THERE.
ALL BASICALLY SAYS THAT IF A JURISDICTION HAS AN IMPACT FEE IN PLACE AT THE TIME AN ANNEXATION OCCURS ACTION MUST ELECT THE IMPACT FEE, AM WORKOUT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND OUR PARTICULAR CASE TO COLLECT THAT FEE AND SEND THAT MONEY TO THE COUNTY.
IF IT'S ALREADY EXISTING, IF IT'S NOT, IT'S, THERE'S NO FEE IN PLACE AT THE TIME THE ANNEXATION OCCURS, THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH EACH MUNICIPALITY AND ENTER INTO INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS TO WORK WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES, TO COLLECT THOSE FEES AND SET UP THAT FIRST SHEET.
AND ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
MY VIEW IS THAT WHAT THE IMPACT FEE IS DESIGNED TO DO IS TO PASS ON THE COST, THE SCHOOLS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO LIKE THE BIGGER TRACK DEVELOPERS.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T, THIS IS MY OPINION, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S NECESSARILY DESIGNED TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL, THE SMALL HOME BUILDERS, UM, ALTHOUGH IT WILL, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CITIZENS, ALTHOUGH IT WILL.
UM, BUT IS THIS KIND OF THE SIGN AROUND LIKE THE BOARDING HOMES AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND BUILDING FUNDS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE COMMUNITY? IS THAT
SO CERTAINLY A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, UM, SUCH AS A DR.
HORTON OR A
THEN YOUR INDIVIDUAL, UH, CUSTOM BUILDER THAT BUILDS FIVE OR SIX HOUSES A YEAR AROUND THE COUNTY.
SO THE DESIGN IS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS THAT THOSE, UM,
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THAT THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE HAVING AROUND THE COUNTY ON THE NEEDLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THOSE SERVICE AREAS.SO IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD TARGET, ONE BUILDER OVER ANOTHER, BUT IT IS DESIGNED TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE BY THOSE PARTICULAR FOLKS, BUILDING THOSE HOUSES.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AS FAR AS SCHOOLS ARE CONCERNED, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF TAXATION, WHICH IN A WAY IT IS, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE MONEY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
UM, AND LIKE, UH, HAROLD OR MITCH SAID EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR SYSTEMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT, NOT JUST FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL, BUT FOR THE, NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SAY A RETIREMENT HOME, BUT IT'S COSTLY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY'S GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE WARM.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO CONSIDER IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW AND HOW GROWTH IN THE COUNTY AND TO THE FUTURE IMPACT FEEDS OR AN APPROPRIATELY AT WAY TO, UH, HELP THOSE FOLKS CREATING THAT IMPACT THOSE DATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO BE KEPT UP WITH, UH, A STOOD UP THAT BEING SPREAD OUT AMONG THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG, LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THROUGH THE HIGHER PROPERTY TAX COST, ERIC AND OBSERVATION, IT APPEARS THE MOST MAXING ISSUE IS SCHOOL IMPACT FEES AND NOT THE OTHER CATEGORIES OF FEES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
UM, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO, UM, ASK FOR APPROVAL OF ALL IMPACT FEES WITH A PERCEPTION OF RECONSIDERATION ON SCHOOL IMPACT FEES AS WITH EACH TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE AN IMPACT FEE NORTH, WHETHER OR NOT THE CREDITS AGAINST THE POOLS AGAINST THE IMPACT FEE FROM THE RIDER ARE APPROPRIATELY ASSIGNED.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, CAN YOUR MOTION INCLUDE SUCH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE NRC? MY ANSWER WOULD BE, YES.
ARE WE READY TO MAKE A NOTION YOU WANT TO DISCUSS FURTHER? HI, I HAD, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, UM, TO ERIC, UM, GOING BACK TO WHAT JASON SAID IS THE, UM, IS THERE RESISTANCE OR CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF SCOPE OF DEVELOPMENT MAYBE IN NORTHERN BUFORD COUNTY ALONE, SOUTH OF BUFORD, SOUTH OF THE BROAD RIVER? I DON'T KNOW OF THESE LARGE DEVELOPERS.
I THINK JASON MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT THAT THE LARGE DEVELOPERS HAVE THEIR INTERESTS, SMALLER DEVELOPERS.
CAN YOU ALUMINATE THAT A LITTLE BIT? IS IT, YOU KNOW, ARE THE LARGE DEVELOPERS BEING HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN SMALLER DEVELOPERS? AND BY SMALLER, I SUPPOSE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, JASON 11 TO 25 HOUSES IN A SUBDIVISION.
I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S JUST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND DEVELOPS, YOU KNOW, SAY 50 LOTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEN ONCE SOMEONE COMES IN AND DEVELOPS, BUILDS 1500 HOUSES, I MEAN, IT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST ALMOST, THAT WAS AN ORDINANCE.
AND THAT IS WHAT IS COMING BEFORE ERIC AND HIS STAFF, CORRECT? YEAH.
I MEAN, THE THING THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, THE IMPACT FEE AND MY MIND DOES THE BEST JOB OF CAPTURING WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO DO BY THE TITLE IMPACT FEE.
SO IT'S BASICALLY DESIGNED TO HELP CAPTURE THE PROPORTIONAL, SHARE OF THE COST BURDEN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO APPROPRIATELY PLAN AND DEAL WITH THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT MOVE INTO THE AREA THAT ARE GOING TO BUY AN EXISTING HOUSE.
THEY WILL NOT PAY AN IMPACT FEE.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED
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HERE FOR 25 OR 30 YEARS.THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE TO BUILD A HOUSE SOMEWHERE AND SELL THEIR EXISTING HOUSE.
WHEN THOSE FOLKS DECIDE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE AND MOVE IN THE HOUSE, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE AT THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO IT'S ALL ABOUT PROPORTIONAL SHARE AND GETTING THE NUMBERS CORRECT.
SO THAT EVERYONE IS BASICALLY ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND YOU CAN RUN SCENARIOS ABOUT, WELL, IS THIS FAIR TO THIS PERSON? IS IT FAIR IN THAT SITUATION? IS IT DESIGNED TO IMPACT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT MORE THAN ANOTHER? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE DESIGN OF THE IMPACT, THE IS TO MITIGATE THE NEED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY AS A RESULT OF THE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE COUNTY, REGARDLESS OF WHO'S DOING AND, UH, CREATING THE IMPACT.
SO WHETHER IT'S A SMALL BUILDER OR A LARGE BUILDER, IF IT'S A SMALL BUILDER AND HE BUILDS A HOUSE OR A TRACK BUILDER, AND THEY BUILD A HOUSE, THEY NUMBER OF KIDS, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS ON THE ROAD, THE USAGE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM THAT USES OF A LIBRARY, WHETHER IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDER THAT BUILDS A SMALL NUMBER OF HOUSE FOR A TRACK BUILDER THAT BUILDS, YOU KNOW, 25 OR 30 A YEAR, THE IMPACT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE IS EQUAL.
SO THE IMPACT HAS TO BE EQUAL BASED ON A PROPORTIONAL SHARE ANALYSIS.
THAT'S BEEN CONSULTED BY OUR CONSULTANTS.
I GUESS JUST A QUESTION, A COMMENT, BUT I AM REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS PLACE TO SAY NO SCHOOL FEE NORTH OF THE BRAUN.
THAT'S SO SHORTSIGHTED THAT THAT'S WHAT 20, 25 YEARS AGO, WE HAD LISTENED TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE IN NOW.
UM, SOUTH OF BROAD, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, NINE, 10 MOBILE LAND, AND BLUFFTON IS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR HILTON HEAD IS DONE.
THERE'S NOTHING GOING IN THERE.
WHERE DO WE THINK ALL THE FUTURE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT 10, FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE GROWTH AND THE GROWTH AND JASPER COUNTY IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT HERE.
THERE'S NOTHING LEFT SOUTH AND ABROAD BLOCKED IS 94% HILTON HEAD VIRTUALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND HERE WE ARE PUTTING IMPACT FEES THAT AFFECT 6% OF THE LAND SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
AND 0% OF THE LAND NORTH OF THE BROAD, IT'S LIKE IF LIKE WE'RE PUTTING UP A SMOKE SCREEN AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS.
I, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I DIDN'T DO THIS ANALYSIS.
I, I, IT'S NOT MY IT'S NOT MY FORTE, BUT I CAN READ NUMBERS.
AND THAT JUST SIMPLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
I'VE HEARD OTHERS SAY, ARE THEY GOING TO HELP A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT? KEVIN, IF YOU, UH, I THINK THERE'S A SCENARIO OUT THERE WHERE WE DON'T DO THIS, UH, SOUTH OF THE BROAD THAT SOME LARGE TRACKS OF LAND COULD BE, UM, SAY HARVILLE, THEN THEY'RE STILL GOING TO IMPACT ALL OF THEM INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE SCHOOLS, THE SAME AS THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE IN, UH, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, EXCEPT FOR THEY'RE GOING TO BE OFF THE HOOK FOR PAYING FOR IT.
UM, I THINK THAT CAN BE EVIDENCED.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN ONE 70, BETWEEN TWO 78 AND ARJUN BOULEVARD, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT GOING IN AND OUT AND THERE RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY.
THEY CAN PROPERTY THAT'S UP FOR SALE, RIGHT? SOME OF IT'S POTENTIALLY ANNEXATION.
AND THEY'RE BUILDING THAT, UH, T VILLAGE THERE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, GRAMMAR SCHOOL, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE KIDS, THEY CAN SEND THEIR KIDS THERE.
THEY GOT A POSSUM UP NORTH FURTHER THAT SCHOOL'S ALREADY FILLED.
CAUSE THEY POSTED THEM OVER FROM ROSE HILL.
THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE KEVIN IS, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY WILL DO SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES, THAT'S GOOD IS THAT IT GETS PERIODIC.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MODIFIED FROM WHAT IT IS NOW BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR BUSINESS, IN OUR, WITH COVID-19 IT MADE PROJECTIONS FOR POPULATION,
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BOTH FOR HOW FAR DEVELOPMENT COULD CHANGE.I WOULD THINK A CONSIDERABLE MISERY, BUT LAST THING A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE FOR LONGER.
UM, AND I WOULD THINK THAT TONY COUNCIL WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OR A POSSIBLE MODIFICATION AS THE ECONOMIC CLIMATE CHANGES.
SO IT'S NOT IN CEMENT IS MY POINT.
I'D LIKE TO, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, IF NORTH OF THE BROAD IS INCLUDED, WOULD THAT LOLA THE 9,500 KUALA, UH, SCHOOL IMPACT FEE EQUALS, THEY WOULD BE MORE POPULATION INCLUDED THE POST, THE SCHOOL IMPACT OR IMPACT FEES IN GENERAL, IF YOU RECALL, GOING BACK TO THE ANALYSIS IS BASED ON SERVICE AREA AND YOU TYPICALLY HAVE A NORTH FOR THE BROAD SERVICE AREA IN THE SOUTH AND THE BROAD SERVICE AREA FOR ALL THE MPAC SEAS.
SO THE SOUTH OF THE PROBLEM SERVICE AREA FEE WAS CALCULATED ON THE NEEDS AND THE GROWTH SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
SO IF WE DID IT NORTH OF THE BROAD, THEN YOU WOULD CALCULATE THAT WE PAID THE CONSULTANT.
AND WHEN WE HAVE THE BEST CONSULTANTS FOR PRIORITIES IN MY MIND.
SO THE COUNTY'S FAIR, NO EXPERIENCE ON GETTING THE BEST FOLKS TO DO THIS.
THEY DID THE STUDY AND DID THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS FOR NORTH OF THE BROAD.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THEIR INFORMATION IS RELIABLE, VALID AND CORRECT.
AND THEY INVENTED THIS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME OUT TO ONLY INCLUDE SOUTH OF THE BROAD SERVICE AREA, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE AT THIS TIME WILL CHANGE IN FIVE YEARS.
WHENEVER WE DO THE UPDATE AGAIN, MAYBE, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHOOL IMPACT IN NORTH OF THE BROAD RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE SITUATION.
AND THE SCENARIO IS FOR THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THE CAPITAL NEEDS, UH, FOR THAT AREA, THE ONLY AREA THAT WARRANTED THE ADOPTION BY THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS THE SOUTH OF THE BROAD SERVICE AREA.
NOW, IF YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE IT A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE GO BACK BEFORE WE GO TO NRC AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL DATA AND, UM, ANALYSIS FROM THE CONSULTANTS ON THAT, THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
UH, FOR THE NRC MEETING, I THINK ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE FOR YOU ALL TO DO, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE SCENARIO IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE THERE IS THAT EXCESS CAPACITY NORTH OF THE BROAD CURRENTLY.
AND, UM, I HAVE EVEN HEARD, THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOTHING OFFICIAL, MAYA, ALL MY SITUATION AND JUST THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD, I'VE EVEN HEARD THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, CAPACITY ON SOME OF THE EXISTING SCHOOLS NORTH OF THE ABROAD WILL BE REDUCED THROUGH SOME OF THE BOND REFERENDUM, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP NORTH OF THE BROAD.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT DOES THE BOND REFERENDUM HAVE TO DO WITH CAPACITIES ARE GOING TO BE EVEN LOWER NOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED AS IS AS A RESULT OF THE BOND REFERENDUM? WELL, ACTUALLY WERE MAY RESULT IN REDUCED THE PAST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXISTING SCHOOLS NORTH OF THE BROAD.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE CAPACITY AND PHYSICAL THING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
THEY'RE ADDING MORE CAPACITY WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUDENTS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING AS THEY MAY TAKE A WING OF THREE OR FOUR CLASSROOMS WHERE THEY NEED A LARGER CAFETERIA, THEY MAY DELETE THOSE CLASSROOMS IN EXCHANGE FOR, UM, CONVERTING THAT INTO CAFETERIA SPACE.
THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, LIKE ST.
HELEN ELEMENTARY OR RILEY 27% CAPACITY.
AND YEAH, IT DIDN'T, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT I'M JUST LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THIS, WHAT I'VE HEARD, RELIABLE SOURCES.
I DON'T SAY THE CAPACITY IS THAT HELL OR WHAT I, WHAT I THINK NORTH OF THE BROAD, I'M GOING TO THINK ANYBODY OUT THERE WILL BRANCH Y'ALL WHERE MOST OF THE AREAS ZONE, TEACHER RULE,
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YOU KNOW, THERE'D HAVE TO BE A LOT OF CHANGES BEFORE PEOPLE START BUILDING OUT THERE.UM, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF DESIGNED THAT WAY.
AND THEN THE COUNTY CODE WHEN THEY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO RESTRICT GROWTH.
YOU'RE NOT A PROPONENT OF THAT, BUT I I'VE BEEN TO, TO, TO, TO, TO, TO EVEN GO FURTHER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO ADD THOSE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING, IF WE INCLUDE THAT FURTHER, THAT'S ATTRACTIVE FOR ANYTHING COMING IN THAT WILL KEEP THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELING GREAT DISTANCES TO GET IT BACK.
I THINK THE WAY IT IS, IS PROBABLY BEST FOR NOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF I HAD PAID IT, I HOPE IT DOES CHANGE THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE OUT THERE OF LAND, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE PAYCHECKS.
I THINK WHAT MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ACCEPT IT, NO IMPACT FISCAL IMPACT TO THE NORTH OF THE BOOK WHERE SOME RECENT DEVELOPMENT ALONG SAM'S POINT ROAD, THAT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN TO FAIRLY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS AND CURRENTLY THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS UNDERWAY FOR DEVELOPMENT AT WHITE HALL AND ALL UP AND DOWN, UM, LIKE THESE ISLAND.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE STUDENTS INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BY THE IMPACT FEE MEANS IS THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO ABSORB THAT.
I JUST, I GUESS WE HAVE TO TRUST THAT THEY'RE DOING THE MATH PROPERLY, BUT IT SEEMS IT'S, DOESN'T SEEM TERRIBLY PLAUSIBLE.
I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT, UH, WE WILL BE REASSESSED AND WE'RE LEARNING NEW FOR COUNTY AT SOME POINT.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UM, PROBABLY HEADED IN THAT SAME DIRECTION, UM, TRYING TO LET THE GROWTH PAID FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONCE IT'S NEEDED.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS STUDY HAS TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE MANDATED, IT CAN BE UPDATED SOONER THAN THAT.
MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES OF OUR POLICY, CAN WE UPDATE THIS IN THREE YEARS? I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY UNKNOWNS AT THIS MOMENT, RIGHT? IS COVID-19, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OUR WORKSHOP.
UM, ERIC, WHY IS THERE, I MEAN, CAN THERE BE A POLICY FOR OUR GROUP TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS IN THREE YEARS AFTER THE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ONE-YEAR REVIEW OF IMPACT TREES, WHICH I THINK IS MANDATED AFTER EVERY YEAR.
I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? WHY CAN'T WE UPDATE IT SOONER? I THINK THREE IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN FIVE.
I THINK TWO MIGHT BE TOO SOON.
I MEAN, WHAT DO COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THIS WAY.
TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WHENEVER YOU DO THESE IMPACT FEE UPDATES? WE DO NOT HAVE THE STAFF LEVEL KNOWLEDGE OR THE RESOURCES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, NOR SHOULD WE ATTEMPT TO DO AN IMPACT FEE UPDATE.
SO IT WOULD COME DOWN AND, UH, TO A COST RESOURCE AND ALLOCATION FROM THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO BUDGET THAT MONEY, TO DO THE UPDATE SOONER THAN THE FIVE-YEAR THRESHOLD.
BUT IS THAT, IS THAT IMPOSSIBLE? NO, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
DO I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THEY WOULD DO IT SOONER THAN THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE? UH, PROBABLY NOT BASED ON MY PAST EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THESE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO USUALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A FIVE-YEAR UP, THEN YOU LOOK AT STARTING THE FIVE-YEAR UPDATE.
I FEEL HERE AND BY THE TIME IT GETS DONE, IT'S THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH YEAR DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, UM, WE SHOULD BASICALLY KEEP OUR EYE ON.
AND I, AGAIN, I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS OR NOT, UH, WITH A, WITH SOME MORE DOCUMENTATION BEING PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW THE DETERMINATION NOT TO ASSESS AN IMPACT FEE NORTH OF THE BROAD, UM, UH, WAS, UH, WAS RE SO THAT, THAT CAN BE BEDDED OUT THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THE ACCOUNT.
ARE WE READY? ASHLEY? ANYBODY ELSE? JASON, CAROLINE, ANYBODY, KEVIN, MITCH, ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION?
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL.DO I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
COULD YOU, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BUFFERING GOING ON MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY JASON AND A SECOND BY MITCH.
AND THAT MOTION DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY RECOMMENDATION ABOUT NORTHERN FUTURES SCHOOLS BEING INCLUDED MOTION AS IT IS CORRECT.
THAT'S HOW IT CURRENTLY STANDS YOU, IF YOU WISH TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
I WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
OKAY, SO WE SET UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
UM, HAVE WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS? I'LL READ THOSE TO YOU BEFORE YOU VOTE.
UM, THE QUESTION WE HAD WAS 21, OUR FIRST COMMENT WE HAD WAS 21 MINUTES AGO FROM ALEX, JAMES, IF YOU RECALL, HE SPOKE TO YOU ALL AT THE WORKSHOP WHILE DEVELOPERS WILL PAY THE IMPACT HE'S AT PERMITTING, THESE COSTS TO ABSOLUTELY BE PASSED ONTO THE HOME BUYERS.
UH, YEAH, WE, WE, UH, WE ARE PRETTY WELL AWARE OF THAT.
AREN'T THE MAJOR DEVELOPERS ALREADY PAYING HALF THE IMPACT THINGS AND HANDLING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO BE VETTED OUT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AS TO, AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH PROPORTIONAL SHARE HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR THE GROWTH.
UM, BRIAN QUINN, UH, BASICALLY SAID, RIGHT, ULTIMATELY FIRST-TIME BUYERS WILL BEAR MOST OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF IMPACT FEES.
SO WHAT IS THE ALLURE OF THOSE OWNERS WANTING TO BE BUFORD COUNTY RESIDENTS? UH, BRANDON EDWARDS.
WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILIES WE WERE DOWN HERE AND BUYING HOMES THAT PREVIOUSLY WEREN'T OCCUPIED WITH KIDS.
UM, CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, POSED ON FACEBOOK? SO I'M DOING THAT NOW MAG, UM, THE COUNCIL MEETING IS REASSURING EVAN, THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON.
THIS IS NOT READY TO VOTE ON, UH, THAT'S FROM BUYING CLAM.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS NOT THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BODY AND THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE, UM, UM, UH, JOCELYN STAGGER WITH, UH, THE HILTON HEAD REALTOR ASSOCIATION.
IF YOU TEAR DOWN A COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO PAY AN IMPACT FEE WHEN YOU REBUILD.
UH, IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SITUATION, UM, AND WHAT, WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE REBUILD AND THE USE OF THE REBUILD WOULD BE.
IF YOU TEAR DOWN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND REBUILD THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY A RESIDENTIAL IMPACT.
THE, UH, PROVIDED THAT IT COULD BE DOCUMENTED THAT A RESIDENTIAL IMPACT FEE HAD BEEN PAID ON THAT PROPERTY BUYER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? YEAH, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO REFRESH MYSELF.
WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND ALL THE OTHER FEES TO THE COST OF ALL HOUSE.
AND HE'S RIGHT ON THE NORTH END, THE BROAD NUMBERS RIGHT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT MANY AREAS THAT IT'S, UM, IT'S DECREASING THE AREAS IN BLACK, IN THE FINAL COLUMN OR DECREASES.
IF YOU GO WITH A SUPPORTABLE FEE, THAT'S RECOMMENDED IN GREEN.
SO THAT'S NORTH OF THE BROAD, I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT THERE'S NO SCHOOL IMPACT FEE FOR NORTH AND ABROAD.
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YES, THEY, THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS ACROSS THE TOP THERE.SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE PARTS OR RANK LIBRARY, EML, SOLID WASTE, TRANSPORTATION AND FIRE FOR NORTH AND ABROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE SCHOOL COLUMN HAS ZEROS ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH OF THE BROAD PICTURE LOOKS LIKE THIS.
SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, BASICALLY THE RANGE FOR A A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OR LAST HOUSE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF 36, UH, 40, UH, ON THE IMPACT FEE, A HOUSE THAT'S 4,000 OR MORE SQUARE FEET.
THE INCREASE WOULD BE $12,118.
ERIC, I THINK YOU HAD THE ROOM, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF NUMBERS THAN WHAT I'M READING.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS WAS THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IT IN THE LAST WORKSHOP.
NO, NO, THE SLIDE YOU'RE ON NUMBER 13 AND REC.
OH, ARE YOU ALL NOT SEEING THE, UM, ARE YOU ALL NOT SEEING THE CHANGE OF THE, THE SCREEN? NO, I CHANGE IT.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROZEN.
YOU SEE IT NOW TWENTY-FIVE HUNDRED TO 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE IS 14,007 99.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
TWICE THE ONE THAT'S CAUSING THE RIVER.
CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT SCREEN NOW? NO, I SEE EGG ON MINE.
PLUS IF IT COMES UP, DID IT COME UP THERE? IT COMES.
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YEAH.SO THAT'S FOR THE SOUTH TO THE BROAD, THE LAST COLUMN IS THE INCREASE.
THEY, THE LEFT HAND SIDE COLUMN SHOWS YOU THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE TYPE OF USE.
DID THAT GET LARGER? I PUT MY GLASSES ON AGAIN.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, 1000 OR LESS IS 36, 39 AND 4,000 OR MORE IS NO, I'M SORRY.
UH, 1000 OR LESS IS 68, 15 AND 4,000 MORE IS 15,917.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEE.
THE ACTUAL INCREASES IN THE VERY LAST COLUMN BITCH FOR THE LARGEST HOUSE IN THE CATEGORY, WHICH IS 4,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IN THE RANGE OF WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY GET BUILT IN THE COUNTY IS A 1500 SQUARE FOOT, PROBABLY DO A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A NINE TO $11,000 INCREASE ON THE IMPACT FEES SOUTH OF THE BROAD, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL IMPACT THINGS.
AGAIN, I JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FROM A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET UP TO 1500 THERE'S THREE LEVELS.
AND THE INCREASE AT ABOUT DOUBLES, THE NORMAL FEE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
ONCE YOU GO ABOUT 1500 FEET, IT ALMOST TRIPLED.
THAT'S WHAT CALLS THE IMPACT, UH, ANALYSIS THAT WAS RON SHOWED THAT THERE WAS A STATISTICAL PROBABILITY THAT THOSE STRUCTURES, UH, HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAN OTHERWISE WOULD BE.
UM, THEN YOU WOULD OUT FOR SMALLER STROKE.
WELL, I COULD, I COULD ARGUE THE OTHER WAY AND SAY THAT IF YOU BUILD MORE 1200 TO 1500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE OF THEM.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE IMPACT.
BUT I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF HOUSES.
THEY'VE GONE TO BE 1,499 SQUARE FEET WHEN THIS THING IS IN, THIS NEVER GETS IN.
UM, THAT'S THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, UM, ACCURATE FROM A, WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE IN HIGH GROWTH AREAS THAT HAVE IMPACT TEAMS. WELL, THE FEELING WAS DOUBLED FROM 1500 TO OH ONE, RIGHT? I'M READING THAT, RIGHT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAXIMUM SUPPORTABLE FEAR.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL INCREASE IN GAS PORTABLE WHEN YOU GO FROM 1500? THAT'S RIGHT.
MOST OF THAT IS IN THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES.
THAT'S THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS THAT BREAKS THE PLOT TO SAYS IT STRUCTURES OVER 1500 SQUARE FEET, HAVE A LARGER PROPORTIONAL IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAN SMALLER HOMES.
THEY MUST BE LOOKING AT ONE CHILD VERSUS TWO, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT EVEN PROVISION IN HERE FOR RATING REALLY WELL.
THE REASONING IS IN THE FULL REPORT THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU ALL.
UM, AS A PART OF THAT, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY FOR YOU ALL.
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REPORT AND, UH, THAT'LL BREAK DOWN, PARTICULARLY THE SCHOOL IMPACT WE REPORT WE'LL BREAK DOWN ALL THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.I DON'T THINK THAT IS FUN TO READ.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, PROBABLY GOING TO BE HARD TO DO AND DIGEST.
UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT, UH, THE REPORT WILL BACK UP THESE NUMBERS AND BE STATISTICALLY ACCURATE.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION ON IT.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO LOG OUT OF BOTH MEETINGS.
I CAN EXPEL YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT AND LOG YOU AND YOU CAN LOG BACK IN REAL QUICK AND WE'LL JUST HOLD TIGHT HERE WHILE YOU DO THAT.
SOMEHOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UH, LOGGED INTO THE SYSTEM TWICE.
AND YOU JUST COME RIGHT BACK IN.
ARE YOU, YOU CAN HIT YOUR RED BUTTON ONCE AND SEE IF SOMETHING POPS UP UNDERNEATH THAT.
YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING RUNNING KNEES RUNNING UNDERNEATH YOUR PLATFORM THAT WAS CAUSING THE ECHO.
AND DO YOU SEE YOUR RED X? OH, THERE YOU GO.
NOW YOU'RE ON, RIGHT? LET ME JUST, I JUST, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE VIDEO, BUT THAT'S FINE.
LET'S AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE AUDIO.
OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, A SECOND, UH, EXHAUSTED ALL DISCUSSION.
OR IS THERE ANY STILL FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S CHAIRMAN, YOU DO HAVE YOUR VIDEO.
I CANNOT SEE YOU, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I'M GOING TO DO, ASK FOR A ROLL CALL IF WE'RE READY FOR THAT.
LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYBODY ON MUTE.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE IMPACT FEES AS PRESENTED.
I'M GOING TO START WITH DIANE.
WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, NAYS.
WE CAN ENTERTAIN ANOTHER EMOTION OR ELECT TO STAND.
I HAVE ANY ONE, ONE CAN MAKE ANOTHER EMOTION OR SHOULD WE JUST LET THIS STAND AND GO FORWARD WITH NO RECOMMENDATION TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE WITH A FAILED RECOMMENDATION.
EVERYBODY HEAR ME? IS THERE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING A FAIL VERSUS A NO? UM, OR DOES IT JUST GO FORWARD? OH, IT GOES RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A FOUR, FOUR TIME, WHICH IS A SAILBOAT ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
DIDN'T GET, DIDN'T GET A MAJORITY.
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I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO THEY SEE THE NUMBERS OR GO FORWARD? IT CAN GO FORWARD AS, AND MY UNDERSTANDING AND YOU CORRECT THIS IS THAT IT CAN GO FORWARD AS A FAILED MOTION OR WE CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION OR A DIFFERENT MOTION.I, I WOULD, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL DO YOUR BEST TO TRY TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, TO, UM, TO THE NRC ON THIS.
LET'S HANG WITH IT A LITTLE LONGER AND TRY TO WORK OUT ANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
NATIONAL RESOURCES AND NATURAL RESOURCES, NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, OH SHIT.
NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE WILL HEAR THIS ITEM WANTS TO SHIP LEAVES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S THE COMMITTEE THAT THE COUNCIL LEVEL THAT WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE.
IS THERE A WAY, IS THERE A PROVISION OR THERE IS PERMISSIBLE THAT THE ACTUAL BOTH CAN, THAT THE GOING FORWARD, THE RESOURCE COMMITTEE, THE CONSUMMATE, UH, PERSONS, UH, CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE, THE VOTE BECAUSE I THINK A TIE, UM, IT SENDS A MESSAGE DIFFERENT FROM A FAIL WE'RE WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL THEM THAT IT WAS A FAILED VOTE OR A FAILED MOTION.
WE WILL TELL THEM THAT YOU MADE, UH, THAT YOU COULD NOT GET A, AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO YOU CAME FORWARD WITH NO RECOMMENDATION, NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SAYS IT SENDS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MESSAGE MOTIONS AND, UH, AND I'M OKAY WITH IT AS A TIME BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I, I, UM, IS THAT, UH, SENDS A DIFFERENT MESSAGE THEN SHE'LL BE IN, UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU WANT HIM TO MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? OKAY.
I'M SORRY, NOT HEARING ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL MOTION THE LOCAL WILL GO FORWARD AND STATED AS A GUIDE BOAT LIE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE, ERIC, ERIC.
BEN, IS THAT SATISFACTORY? IT IS.
WE WILL PRESENT IT ON THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF AUGUST, WHICH WILL BE NEXT MONDAY.
UM, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS, A LOT OF CONCERNS.
UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE, ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE STATED, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED ARE APPROPRIATELY SHARED WITH THE NATIONAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE.
I DO NOTE THAT THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES, COMMITTEES AND ATTENDANCE CENTERS MEETING, UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS TO BE ACTED BY THE HORN MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A, UH, MOTION.
UM, NOW THAT WE'VE, UM, WE HAVE MR.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW UP WITH HIS REQUEST THAT THE BUFORD COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO INVOKE COUNTY ORDINANCE 2018 SLASH 53, ESTABLISHING A PASSIVE PARK AT THE BINDIN PLANTATION.
THIS ONE TURNED TO ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CREATE THE NECESSARY STEPS OF HAVING AND INCLUDED IN THE 20, 20 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE PRIOR PRIORITY INVESTMENT ELEMENTS.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THAT IS NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITY, BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST, UM, FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE PRIORITY INVESTMENT ELEMENT, BUT ANYONE CARE TO SECOND THAT MOTION ASK THE QUESTION,
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THIS MEETING.AND I, I'M NOT, I DON'T FEEL ADEQUATELY PREPARED TO MAKE THAT KIND OF SUGGESTED IF WE'RE GONNA SAY TODAY, WE DO TO A FUTURE MEETING, IT'D BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA AS WE VIEW AND BE MORE INFORMED.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LET ME JUST, I MAY END UP A LITTLE BIT, LET ME JUST REPEAT WHAT I THINK YOU SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL THAT THERE'S, YOU HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
AND SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR A FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO BE PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED.
BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS OPPOSED TO, ALRIGHT.
CAN WE HAVE A SECOND TO CAROLINE'S MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT INCESSANTLY MACMILLAN.
I, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHY TONY
WE'VE ALL GOTTEN INFORMATION FROM HIM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PROCESS FROM THE PLANNING STAFF TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY EXPECTING? KAREN, LET ME CLARIFY.
I'M GOING TO, EXCUSE ME, ESSENTIALLY.
CAROLINE'S MOTION WAS TO FORWARD WITH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION, VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT ENACTMENT OF THE PASSIVE PARK ORDINANCE AND, UM, PRIORITIZATION ON THE INVESTMENT PRIORITY, SCHEDULE YOUR IMAGE.
AND I JUST SECONDED IT TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT MENTIONED BEFORE WE HAD A SECOND THERE, LITTLE ROBERT'S RULES.
WHAT, UM, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH MITCH.
I'M SORRY, I'M SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT.
I WANTED A SECOND TO CAROLYN'S MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE DISCUSSED.
I THINK MITCH CAME IN PERFORMING WHERE THERE WASN'T A SECOND.
I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE A MATTER OF AN AGENDA ITEM FOR US.
I HAVE TO ASK FIRST IN A MATTER OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IS THERE A SECOND TO CAROLINE'S MOTION? IF THERE IS NO SECOND, THEN I CAN ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND TO CAROLINE'S MOTION TO GO FORWARD HEARING NONE.
THE MOTION WON'T BE VOTED ON WHEN YOU MADE SURE.
ESSENTIALLY LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM,
I SECOND THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S THE AGENDA ITEM SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE ITEM, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION GETTING INVOLVED IN THE ACQUISITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTIES IS NOT, UM, UNDERNEATH YOUR PURVIEW OF RESPONSIBILITY AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE'S A PROCESS AND M AND A, UH, A PROGRAM THAT IS SET UP TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, SO I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE YOU NOT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THOSE BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK THIS IS A PLANNING COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH AND PLANNING NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY AND DEALING WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TELL MR. CHRIS TELLO THAT IF HE THERE'S A PROCESS TO IN RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS BODY MAILED THAT WERE AN APPLICATION CAN BE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE ACQUISITION, THE CONSIDERATION THERE, THAT ACTION CRITICAL LANDS, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO REQUESTS MADE TO RUIN CRITICAL LANDS.
UH, AND THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR THEM TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION AND SUBMIT IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND NOT INVOLVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME.
THIS IS NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION RESPONSIBILITY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS MICHIGAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, THAT, UH, THAT ERIC, ALL RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
THERE IS A LEASE AGREEMENT ON IT.
IT SETS A TIME, POTENTIALLY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPING, UM, UH, 50 ACRES THAT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF THE COUNTY, WHICH MEANS THEY'D HAVE TO PURCHASE IT'S FEE SIMPLE.
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UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, VOTE TO PUT IT IN THE PAST WITH PARK CATEGORY AND THEN PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT INTO WHATEVER, UM, TYPE OF, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SITE THEY WOULD, UH, LOOK TO IMPROVE.UM, SO THERE IS NO MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE AGENDA WITH THIS, UH, HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
IS THERE ANY
AND YOU JUST ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO MOTIONS, I GUESS THAT GOES TO YOU ERIC NOW, UM, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A TA STAFF RESPONSIBILITY THAT ASSAD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO STAFF TO COMMUNICATE AND MR. CHRIS AND TELL LOAD THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS AND THE APPROPRIATE VENUE FOR HIM TO GO THROUGH TO HAVE THOSE, UH, LEGITIMATE WAY APPROPRIATELY DISCUSSED, UH, THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE RULE CRITICAL BOARD PLANNING STAFF SAID ANOTHER WAY, SICILY, RIGHT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PUTS IT WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UM, BOARD COMMISSIONING IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ALL IN CRITICAL LANDS, POTENTIALLY, UH, FAR SNAP TO HANDLE THAT, UM, RESOLUTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M ALL ABOUT PROCESS.
AND IF THAT IS THE PROCESS, AND I THINK MAYBE THE MOTION, IF THAT PROCESS, AS WE ENGAGE, OUR RESPONSIBILITIES COULD BE BETTER SERVED BY, IS THIS MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT? CORRECT.
NOW, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ERIC, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON FACEBOOK? UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION HERE.
CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE HERE ON IMPACT THESE AND WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH THIS FLIP VOTE? WHERE DOES IT GO FROM HERE? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ESSENTIALLY.
WE WILL FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM UL, LYDIA LEE, MEANING FIRST THING IN THE MORNING TO THE NRC YOU'VE DONE FOR THE NATURAL NEWS SOURCES.
I'M COMMITTED TO, UH, DISCUSS REVIEW AT THEIR AUGUST 10TH NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE MEETING AND POSSIBLY UP MOUNTS OR RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL THAT EVENING FOR FIRST RATING OF THE EMPIRE.
LET ME LET'S FINISH THE VOTE ON THE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY PARENTLINE.
AND IF THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT, THEN I THINK I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THAT ISSUE OUT WITH A VOTE.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN ONCE GO BACK THE IMPACT BACKSTAGE, WE HANDLE IT THAT WAY.
I AM GOING TO GO A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THE MOTION.
UM, I STARTED HERE WITH DIANE, DIANE.
WHAT IS THE MOTION? WHAT IS THE MOTION YOU WANT TO REPEAT? UM, FACING THE MOTION, UM, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE FORWARD THIS ITEM TO STAFF AND TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW.
HOW DO YOU VOTE? SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, KEVIN.
NOW WE'RE BOUNCING TOO ANYTHING FURTHER ON IMPACT FEES? UH, NOT IN LOW, UM, DISCUSSION.
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THERE'S A QUESTION, ESSENTIALLY.UM, ERIC PRESENTS IN PERSON TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, IT'S A SPLIT VOTE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED OR AGREED WERE KIND OF COMING FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, IS THERE A WAY TO EXPLICATE THAT TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE? AND THAT'LL BE MY ROLE TO EXPLAIN THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES AS TO THE DISCUSSION AND THE DETAILS OF THE DISCUSSION AND WHERE THE CONCERNS THAT THE VARIOUS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAD ABOUT THE VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE IMPACT FEE RULES AND REGULATIONS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO WATCH THAT AND PARTICIPATE IN FACEBOOK LIVE, UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY IN CASE I SAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT SO THAT YOU CAN CORRECT ME, UM, ON FACEBOOK LIVES SO THAT THAT'LL GET READ INTO THE RECORD.
UH, AUGUST 10TH WOULD BE NEXT MONDAY.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE TIME AT THIS POINT, ANCESTRALLY JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ISSUE THAT GOES FORWARD TO NATURAL RESOURCES, NATURAL RESOURCES, RE REVIEWS OUR RECOMMENDATION AND CAN SUPPORT IT OR VOTE CONTRARY TO BOTH OPINIONS.
THEN WE'D GO TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL FOR A RESOLUTION COUNTY COUNCIL HAS ACCESS TO THE LIVE VIDEO FEE IF THEY WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND NOT AGREED TO OR AGREED TO.
AND THEN, UM, IT GOES TO A THREE-WAY VOTE, A THREE MEETING VOTE WITH A PUBLIC MEETING SCHEDULED AT THE CONCLUSION.
NO, I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE MY REASONS FOR OPPOSITION AND I WAS ON THE FENCE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM SOME OTHER INDIVIDUALS, UM, REASONS FOR OPPOSITION ABOUT THE SCHOOL THAT EXPURGATED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL THE ISSUES BE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FOR THE CHEMICALS.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, YOU CAN ALWAYS MAKE ANOTHER MOTION AND WHATEVER COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE OR WHATEVER APPROPRIATE.
UH, I HAVE NOT TAKEN NOTES ON THE PARTICULAR MOTION THAT I WOULD MAKE.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOMENT TO TALK YOUR ED? I MEAN, DOES EMOTION NEED TO BE ON THE FLOOR OF THE FOUR WEEKS? OKAY.
SO I DON'T AGREE WITH MR. JUICY, FOR EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE ALL SUPPORT, UM, THIS ENTIRE, UM, IMPACT FEE EXPLANATION AND FROM THE CONSULTANTS, I HAVE MY OWN ISSUES, AS I'VE MADE CLEAR IN MY QUESTIONS TO ERIC, AS YOU RECOMMEND MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS.
AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO DON'T BELIEVE IMPACT FEES OUGHT TO BE, UM, ASSESSED ROUTINELY AND ACROSS THE BOARD.
I THINK THE IMPACT FEES OUGHT TO BE FOR EVERYONE.
AND THEY OUGHT TO BE FOR EVERY DEVELOPER, SMALL 15 LOTS, YOU KNOW, 225 WATTS.
UM, SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO PUT THAT INTO WORDS SINCE THE MOTION DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, AN OPPOSITION OR AN AMENDMENT ABOUT SCHOOL.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE STICKING POINT IS FOR ME.
AND THE POINT IS EITHER ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND, THERE IS THE SCHOOL ON LADY'S ISLAND, PROPOSED SCHOOL THERE AT OVERCAPACITY.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD SAID AS ERIC NOTED, WELL, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, REALLY LIKE, CAUSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA FOLD OUT INTO THE REST OF NORTHERN BEAVER COUNTY.
I THINK THAT'S A MAJOR POLITICAL ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OUR ROLE TO GET IN THE SCHOOL BOARD'S BUSINESS, BUT I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND IN TERMS OF AVAILABILITY OF CLASSROOM SEATS, THE BIG PROBLEM THAT THE, UH, CONSULTANT DID NOT ADDRESS.
AND IF SOMEONE COULD HELP ME GET UNSTUCK FROM THAT, I'M HAPPY.
UH, UM, ONE THING IS, WE'RE NOT THAT MOTION DOESN'T INCLUDE IMPACT FEES FOR SCHOOLS.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES FOR SCHOOLS AND ALSO, UM, WITH AN IMPACT FEE, LIKE ERIC EXPLAINED EARLIER, UH, ANYBODY WHO BUILDS A HOUSE, PAYS IT SOUTH ABROAD AND, AND THEN NORTH ABROAD WILL BE ASSESSED AT ANOTHER TIME FOR THE SCHOOL IMPACT FEE.
SO I GUESS TO CLARIFY MY MOTION, WE'RE REALLY ONLY
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VOTING ON THE IMPACT FOR SCHOOLS FOR SOUTH AND THE BROAD.SO IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT ST.
HELEN AND LADIES DOWN IN TERMS OF, UM, WHO'S BUILDING A HOUSE WHERE, AND WHO'S GOING SCHOOL, WHERE, BUT NOW WHEN IT DOES COME TO NORTH AND ABROAD, THEN YOU'RE CORRECT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT WILL ALL GO INTO ONE POOL IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING ON ST HELEN OR LADY'S ISLAND, EITHER ONE, THE MONEY, IT COULD GO EITHER PLACE.
IS THAT CORRECT THERE? UM, IT WILL ONLY BE ELIGIBLE TO BE USED IN THE SERVICE AREA FOR WHICH IT WAS COLLECTED FOR PROJECTS IN THAT SERVICE AREA.
SO YOU DON'T SAY, OH NO, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO SOMEBODY BUILDS A HOUSE IN OTT AND IF SOMEONE BUILDS A HOUSE IN SEABROOK AND THERE'S A LIBRARY THAT'S NEEDED, UH, OUT IN LADY'S ISLAND, UH, SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD OR IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE, THEN THAT MONEY COULD BE SPENT ANYWHERE FOR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, NORTH OF UMBRO, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION OCCURRED HERE.
JASON, JASON, JASON, TO AMPLIFY YOUR POINT TOO.
I THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE IMPACT FEES ARE JUST ONE SOURCE OF FUNDING.
UM, IF YOU DON'T FIND IT THROUGH THAT SOURCE, YOU'D HAVE TO DO, AS YOU SAID, AN ASSESSMENT THAT WOULD COME TO THOSE PEOPLE, UM, WHO LIVE IN NEXT SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE SCHOOL AREA SCHOOL ZONE, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF FUNDING.
UH, AND IF YOU TURN OUT OF A MORE EQUITABLE FUNDING OR SHARING THE BURDEN, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE AND THE DIFFICULTY WILL BE FOR THE COUNTY, THEY SHOULD THAT THEY GET ALL OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS AND FORT ROYAL IN BUFORD, IN BLUFFTON, IN HILTON HEAD TO CARRY THIS THROUGH.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE THIS SHIFT, THEY'LL BE UNDERFUNDED AND I'LL HAVE TO FIND, FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO OFFSET AND THAT UNDERFUNDING, YES.
SO THAT ALSO, LET ME, LET ME, UM, THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED, AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, AND I UNDERSTAND WE AREN'T DISCUSSING NECESSARILY IMPACT FEE SCHOOL IMPACT NORTH FOR THE ABROAD, BUT I NEED YOU OUT ON UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED FOR PROJECTS WITHIN THREE YEARS OF THEIR COLLECTION.
SO IF WE HAVE THOSE FEES AND THEY CAN'T BE ALLOCATED WITHIN THAT THREE-YEAR PERIOD, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE GIVEN BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT PAID THEM TO BEGIN WITH.
SO, UM, THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT CONSIDER AND KEEP IN MIND AS YOU ARE CARRYING OUT THIS DISCUSSION.
OKAY, YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD FURTHER ON THIS, OR DO YOU WANT TO, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER? I THINK I'VE GOTTEN MY POINT ACROSS.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT EMOTION.
I THINK IF ERIC IS PREPARED TO DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCE AMONG, OR THE CONTEXT ABOUT WHICH PEOPLE GET WED TO THE
UM, I DO WANT MY CONCERNS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. DORSEY KIND OF DIFFERENT FROM THIS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD WE'D LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? OKAY.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ERIC, UH, MOUNTAINS, BUT AGAIN, NOTHING THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S JUST COMMENTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL SHOULD BE DOING THIS VIRTUALLY YOU ALL HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO IT VIRTUALLY YOU'VE PASSED A RESOLUTION TO DO IT VIRTUALLY THE PHOTOS CAN, YOU KNOW, OFFER ALL TYPES OF SITUATIONS AS TO HOW THINGS GET DONE OR DO NOT GET DONE.
AND THE LEGALITY OF THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER.
BUT ALL OF THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN EMBEDDED BY OUR COUNTY STAFF AND OUR ACCOUNTING LEGAL CHAIN.
AND WE FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS SET ASIDE.
THERE WAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY.
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WE GAVE THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AMPLE TIME AT THE WORKSHOP TO COMMENT ON YOUR FOLKS CAN NOT MAKE THAT A PROCESS.THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT I HAVE WORKED WITH THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND THE FLUKES AROUND THE COUNTY TO PUBLICIZE THIS AND ANY IMPLICATION THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO COMMENT ON THIS AND HAVE BE INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION IS, UM, AN ERRONEOUS STATEMENT AND NOT AT ALL ACCURATE.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY MEG, JAMES AND JOCELYN STAGGER WILL BACK ME UP ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE KEPT THEM MORE THAN INFORMED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS IMPACT, THE STUDY.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S BASICALLY, YEAH.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BOARD, I DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.