* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANKFULLY MARK DID HIS JOB. SO WE ARE ON TIME TODAY. WE'RE CALLED PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE MEETING. ORDER TO ORDER AT 4:00 PM MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. JUSTICE BAR. ALL RIGHT, UM, MS. BROCK, ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH FOIA? YES, SIR, WE ARE. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE. SECONDED BY TAB. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. YES. AND THIS WILL BE APPROVED. UH, WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 15 MINUTE PERIOD. I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DID WANT TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? OH, ALL RIGHT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, NUMBER SIX, THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT. DO WE HAVE ONE? NO, YOU'RE ALL GOOD. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. ALL RIGHTY, , [7.a. 2018 Sales Tax Quarterly Update (For Information Only) (FISCAL IMPACT: For Information Only) - Bryan Bauer, PE , Director of Engineering, & Jennifer Bragg, PE, J. Bragg Consulting, 2018 One Cent Sales Tax Program Manager (15 mins) ] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM, UM, NUMBER SEVEN. WE'LL GO INTO OUR 2018 SALES QUARTERLY UPDATE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. AND SECOND IT IN BY MR. DAWSON. PERFECT. THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. AND Y'ALL? FANTASTIC. SO THANK YOU'ALL, UM, HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK SALES TAX. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A QUARTERLY REPORT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER BRAGG, OUR PROGRAM MANAGER IN JUST A MINUTE TO GIVE Y'ALL MORE UPDATES. BUT JUST REAL QUICK, THE BIDS FOR SUNSET MILLER, UH, RESURFACING AND TRAFFIC CALLING IS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA LATER ON TODAY FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN THE STEWART POINT PATHWAY PROJECT IS OUT TO BID NOW WITH, UH, UH, BIDS DUE BACK ON THE 22ND. SO THAT SHOULD BE COMING TO YOU IN NOVEMBER FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN, UH, JENNIFER WILL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROJECTS FOR YOU. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. MM-HMM . ONE SECOND. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALL RIGHT. BACK TO THE SAME INTRO AS ALWAYS. UH, WITH THE REPRIORITIZATION VARIOUS PROJECTS. SO AS BRIAN MENTIONED, AND I DO NEED TO FLIP THAT. SO SUNSET MILLER WILL ACTUALLY MOVE TO, UM, WE NEED ONE FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO I'LL GET THAT UPDATED FOR NEXT MONTH. UH, 21 8 0 2 IS STILL IN, SORRY, IT'S NOW JUST THE 21 WIDENING OUT BY WALMART. UH, WE ARE STILL IN DESIGN. DOT CAME BACK WITH A FEW MINIMAL COMMENTS. THEY ARE ADDRESSING THOSE. IF DOT ACCEPTS THE RESPONSES, WE WILL ACTUALLY GET RIGHT OF WAY AUTHORIZATION ON THAT PROJECT. UH, SO HOPEFULLY THAT ONE WILL MOVE INTO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, AIRPORT FRONTAGE. PHASE TWO IS WRAPPING. UM, WE ARE WRAPPING THE PERMITS ON IT ALSO. SO AFTER THAT, IT WILL JUST BE PLACED ON HOLD UNLESS COUNTY COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION ON IT. HAZEL FARM ROAD, GAY DRIVE IS IN RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION NOW. AND LADIES ISLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL IS GETTING CLOSE TO WRAPPING. UH, SO ONCE IT WRAPS, WE SHOULD HAVE CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION FROM DOT ON THAT PROJECT, AND IT WILL MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT WILL START CONSTRUCTION FIRST OF THE YEAR. SO THOSE ARE THE LADIES ISLAND CORRIDOR PROJECTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? I, I DON'T KNOW IF DAVID'S GONNA ASK IT, BUT LADIES, ISLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL ACCESS ROAD, COULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE DATES ON WHEN IT'LL GO TO CONSTRUCTION? NO, MA'AM. THERE'S ONE TRACK REMAINING, UM, THAT MAY NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL FOR CONDEMNATION. OH, OKAY. UH, WE'RE HOPING WE CAN SETTLE IT, BUT AGAIN, IF WE CANNOT, THEN MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE PRESENTED IN OCTOBER FOR PFC, THEN OF COURSE, COUNTY COUNCIL, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. HELLO. YES. THANK YOU, MS. CHAIRMAN. UM, THE HAZEL FARM ROAD, UH, NOT THE GAY, UH, ROAD, BUT THE DRIVE, BUT THE HAZEL FARM ROAD, THERE'S A LITTLE NARROW PATHWAY RIGHT NOW, UM, UH, COMING AROUND THE CURVE. UM, HOW TIGHT IS THAT GOING TO BE? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, SIDEWALK THERE AT THE, THE SIDEWALK PLUS THE PAVING. YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME PAVING THERE AS WELL, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE DOING THE SIDEWALK, YOU'RE DOING THE PAVING. YOU GOTTA HAVE, UH, DRAINAGE. HOW TIGHT IS THAT GONNA BE TO THOSE HOUSES THAT'S THERE? IT'S PRETTY TIGHT. AND THEY, THEY ARE ACTIVELY TALKING TO PROPERTY OWNERS THERE NOW. OKAY. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANTS, WE CAN SHOW THEM TO YOU. I JUST OKAY. YEAH, DO THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, [00:05:01] NO PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, SO THEN THE PATHWAYS. GO BACK ONE. OKAY. SO ALL JOY, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, DISCUSSION ON ALL JOY. OBVIOUSLY SOME COORDINATION INTERNALLY ON IT. UH, WE ARE PERFORMING A REDESIGN THERE WHERE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAD BUILT A BRICK FENCE ON DOT'S PRESENT RIGHT OF WAY. WE'VE SENT SOME PLAN REVISIONS. ACTUALLY I SENT THEM TODAY BACK TO DOT FOR THEIR REVIEW OF THAT. UH, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, BIG ESTATE ROAD, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING CLOSE ON IT. UH, YOU DID APPROVE SOME COMBINATIONS ON BIG ESTATE. THOSE ARE BEING TRANSITIONED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY ATTORNEY. UH, ONCE EVERYTHING IS FILED ON IT. AND WE GET DOT'S. FINAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORIZATION. THIS ONE TOO WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION FIRST OF THE YEAR, UM, ON BIG ESTATE, BROAD RIVER BOULEVARD, RILEY ROAD. WE WRAPPED A PUBLIC MEETING. UM, I'VE GOT A SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATION IN TO BRIAN FOR REVIEW. UM, ON THAT ONE, WE'RE STILL COORDINATING WITH DOT ON THE PLANS. BROAD RIVER DRIVE'S BEEN SENT TO DOT FOR THEIR REVIEWS. SO ONCE WE GET COMMENTS BACK AND, OR THEY'RE FINE WITH IT, THEN WE'LL START RIGHT UP OUR ACQUISITION ON IT. BRIAN, I DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE ON BURNT CHURCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE. WE'RE TRYING TO FINALIZE DESIGN AND, UM, GET THAT SUBMITTED TO DOT FOR APPROVALS. NOW. EPO ROAD'S BEEN COMPLETED. WE'RE JUST DOING FINAL CLOSEOUT WITH THE CITY AND COMMERCE AND ELCO ON THE GRANT FOR IT. MARTIN LUTHER KING IS AN ACTIVE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND WE'RE WORKING ON FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR IT. SALEM ROAD. STILL A LOT OF COORDINATION GOING ON. WE HOPE TO START RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH. AND THEN STEWART POINT, BRIAN MENTIONED, UH, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS? I WAS, JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, WHY ARE SOME SIDEWALKS FIVE FEET, SIX FEET, EIGHT FEET? I GET THE MULTI-USE PATHWAY HAS TO BE 10 FEET. BUT WHAT, WHAT'S WITH THE FIVE FOOT, SIX FOOT, EIGHT FOOT? SO IN SOME CASES, THE FIVE FOOT WAS BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT AND COORDINATION WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, THROUGH THE PROCESS. EIGHT FEET WAS THE OLD STANDARD FOR A SHARED USE PATH. UH, DOT NO LONGER ACCEPTS EIGHT FEET. SO NOW IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK. IT CAN STILL ACCOMMODATE BICYCLIST. ALL JOY WAS SIX FEET. THAT WAS NEGOTIATED A LONG TIME AGO WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, WE AGAIN, BIGGEST STATE. BIGGEST STATE. THE EIGHT FOOT ACTUALLY MATCHES THE SHARED USE PATH. THE OLD VERSION THAT'S OUT ON US 17, UH, BROAD RIVER BOULEVARD. I NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT ONE. MAY BE A TYPO. THAT MAY BE SIX. I WILL VERIFY THAT ONE. BROAD RIVER DRIVE, SIX FEET AGAIN, RIGHT OF WAY IS TIGHT ON THAT. WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE MUCH ROOM WITH THE PROXIMITY OF ALL THE HOMES TO DO ANYTHING WIDER. UM, MARTIN LUTHER KING THAT WAS NEGOTIATED WITH, THROUGH THE COORDINATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, SALEM STAYED EIGHT FEET. UM, AND SAME WITH STEWART POINT. SO IT'S FIVE FOOT OR SIX FOOT SIDEWALK. THAT MEANS IT'S ONLY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. NO BICYCLES. DOES THAT HELP ME WITH THAT ONE? NO. OKAY. SO AND I DELVED INTO IT. I USED TO RIDE BICYCLES AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT, OKAY, NO BICYCLIST ON SIDEWALKS. THEN I DELVED INTO STATE LAW. STATE LAW. YOU CAN, UNLESS IT'S BY ORDINANCE, WHERE THE ORDINANCE STATE LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT STATE, YOU CANNOT. OR IF THERE IS A FACILITY, LIKE A BIKE LANE IN THE ROADWAY, THEN A BICYCLIST SHOULD NOT BE ON A SIDEWALK. BUT IF NOT, THEN SOMEONE COULD CHOOSE TO RIDE A BICYCLE ON A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK OR A SIX FOOT OR WHATEVER, UNLESS LOCAL ORDINANCE SAYS NO. UH, JUST TO ANSWER OF THE ALL JOY, IT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AS 10 FEET AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT. UM, AND TRYING TO HAVE AS LITTLE IMPACT ON THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, UH, THE, THE CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS THEN TO GO TO A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, WHICH THEN MEANT WE HAD LESS TREES TO TAKE OUT. UM, ON THAT SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, LET'S JUST TALK ALL JOY. MM-HMM . BICYCLISTS ARE ALLOWED ON THAT. YES. E-BIKES ARE ALLOWED ON THAT. IT'S IN THE COUNTY. SO UNLESS THE ARE NOT PERMITTED YET, I JUST THOUGHT I THREW THAT IN. SO THAT'S UP TO US LATER ON. I'M SURE. BUT A BICYCLE CAN [00:10:01] IS MESSING WITH MORE, BUT I MESSING WITH YOU. HOW ABOUT A GOLF CART? NO. NO. OKAY. JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE. GOOD NEWS. ALL JOYS 35 MILES AN HOUR THINKING RIDE IN THE ROAD. YES, RIGHT. EXACTLY. SORRY ON ME. YES. UH, STEWARD POINT IS, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ACQUISITION TO BE COMPLETED IN THIRD QUARTER AND THE, YOU SAID THE BID IS GONE OUT ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY GONE OUT. SO THE ACQUISITION IS COMPLETE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ONES WE COULD SETTLE, WE SETTLED. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE ONE. SO THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN CONDEMNED. UH, THERE WAS ACTUALLY, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW MANY TRACKS, BUT THERE WERE LIKE A LOT THAT WERE ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO THE COURT, UH, THAT WERE LIKE THE CLEAR TITLE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FINAL SETTLEMENT OF THOSE. SO THAT PART IS STILL IN PROGRESS. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET STARTED BIDS, I THINK YOU SAID THE 22ND. SO THEN ONCE THE BIDS COME IN, THIS ONE ALSO HAS A-C-D-B-G GRANT. SO WE'LL NEED TO REVIEW THE BIDS. ELCO AND COMMERCE THE SAME. IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON THE BIDS, THEN THEY WILL COME TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, AFTER CONTRACTS ARE EXECUTED AND THE NTP. SO MY GUESS WITH THE WHOLE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THEY'LL PROBABLY GET STARTED FIRST OF THE YEAR. AND ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED TO THE COURT, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION. ALRIGHT. WE'RE GOOD TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THAT AND WE'LL MOVE [7.b. Due diligence regarding the Lobeco Library in coordination with the School District. (FISCAL IMPACT: ) - Audra Antonacci-Ogden, Assistant County Administrator] ON TO B DUE DILIGENCE REGARDING THE KO LIBRARY AND COORDINATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MOTION AND PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR. ALL MOTION. THANK YOU MS. BROWN. SECOND. THANK YOU MR. DAWSON. PERFECT. ROGER, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. ROUND TWO FOR THE DAY. ROUND TWO. ALL RIGHT. SARAH, COULD YOU PLEASE PULL THAT UP IN MAPPING THE SITE, PULL UP THE AERIAL AT THE 1862 TRUST PARKWAY, PLEASE. IS THAT IN ? NO, I DIDN'T EMAIL IT CAN, JUST IN MAPPING CAN YOU PULL IT UP? IT'S THE INSIDE. I'M SORRY. SORRY. IT'S GONNA COST MILLIONS. SO THERE, OH, WHAT DID IT GET LIKE THAT FOR CLARIFICATION? THAT'S NOT THE LIBRARY. THAT'S THE OLD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. BUT IT'S ALL ONE PARCEL. OKAY. NO, THE LIBRARY LOOKS NICE. YES. I JUST DON'T WANT, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE IT YES. TO HAVE A VISUAL OF THE PROPERTY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD. 'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE NOT SEEN THAT SITE. SO, BUT WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR, THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN DAWSON, YOU MENTIONED IN THE AUGUST FINANCE COMMITTEE FOR, UM, GAVE DIRECTIONS FOR STAFF TO DO TO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ON, ON THIS SITE. UM, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON IT TO COME UP ON MAPPING, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, HISTORICAL INFORMATION ON THE SITE. UM, A COUPLE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THERE'S STILL A, A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED AND ANSWERED IN REGARD TO THIS SITE. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? MM-HMM . SO IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF TRUST PARKWAY AND I BELIEVE HUSSAH CREEK. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE LIBRARY IS ON SITE. THAT'S THE MORE SQUARE BUILDING THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE THE LOKO LIBRARY IN THAT. AND THEN THE LONG BUILDING, THAT WAS THE, THE OLD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. UM, THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED, WE FOUND WHEN WE DID OUR RESEARCH ORIGINALLY IN 1925, AND THEN WAS SOME RENOVATIONS WERE DONE, UH, GYMNASIUM AND AUDITORIUM IN 1937. SO A VERY OLD BUILDING BUILDINGS. AND THEN LATER ON IN YEARS, THERE WAS TWO MOBILE SITES THAT WERE, UM, PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A COUPLE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN CURRENTLY IN PLACE LONG-TERM AGREEMENTS. UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS WITH BEAUFORT, JASPER, EOC, AND [00:15:01] A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT WITH BEAUFORT COUNTY, WITH THE LIBRARY ASSISTANCE IN 2000. AND ACTUALLY WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. 'CAUSE IT EXPIRED. IT WAS A 25 YEAR. THAT'S A BETTER ONE. RIGHT. A 25 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT THAT EXPIRED IN DECEMBER OF 2025. EXPIRED MIKE. 20 DECEMBER OF 2025 FOR THE LIBRARY ELAPSED. CORRECT. YES. SO OUR INTENTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, ON THAT. AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT. EXCUSE ME, AUDREY, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE JOE, BUT NO, YOU'RE FINE. CAN HEAR, IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, THAT'S SOUNDS BETTER. THANK YOU. SO WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN AS FAR AS QUESTIONS OR, I THINK THERE'S, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED AND ANSWERED AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY. UM, POSSIBLY THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. THE ACREAGE IS ABOUT FOUR ACRES. I HAD A QUESTION. UM, FOR EVERYONE WHO HASN'T BEEN OUT THERE, YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT ON THAT SIDE. THAT'S THE SIDE THAT THE LIBRARY'S ON, CORRECT? MM-HMM . AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THE SCHOOL, WHICH HAS, UM, THE OTHER PART OF THE SCHOOL, WHICH HAS A LEASE WITH EOC. AND WHAT DO THEY DO THEY USE IT AT ALL EXCEPT TO PARTNER BUSES OUT THERE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS HOW BEAUFORT JASPER, EOC USES THAT PROPERTY IS FOR STORAGE. MY UNDERSTANDING. AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS THAT IT HASN'T BEEN USED, UM, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE DID MEET A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LAST WEEK, MYSELF, MR. MOORE AND JARED WERE ON SITE. UM, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING. THAT WAS OUR DESIRE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS NOT ABLE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING. SO THE PICTURE THAT SARAH HAD ORIGINALLY PULLED UP, THAT WAS, I BELIEVE MR. MOORE TAKEN A PICTURE FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, IF I MAY, THAT PHOTO IS BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND THE SCHOOL LOOKING DOWN THE HALLWAY OF THAT SCHOOL. SO IT'S CLEAR THAT THE ROOF AND A LOT OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES IS, UH, GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED. THAT'S THE PHOTO. AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THE BUILDING. THEY OWN THE SITE AND THEY HAVE THE LEASE WITH THE EOC AND THE EOC. THAT LEASE IS, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY TIME LIMIT ON IT AT ALL. AND THEY USE IT FOR IN KIND. SO WE'RE THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER TAKING THE BUILDING TO DO A RENOVATION TO EXPAND THE LIBRARY, WHICH I THINK IS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. THAT TENANT WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY VACATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENTIRE USE OF THAT BUILDING PER THE AGREEMENT FROM WHAT WE CAN DO. PER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT IS CORRECT. BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND BEAUFORT COUNTY. BEAUFORT, BEAUFORT, JASPER, EOC. SO THERE'D HAVE TO BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY TO TAKE THE BUILDING. THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE TENANT NEGOTIATE WITH THE TENANT TO HAVE THEM REMOVED. AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY. AND BASED ON THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO BRING THAT STRUCTURE BACK UP. YEAH. COMPLETE. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. YEAH. A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN. OH, WELL, AND, AND, AND SPEAKING WITH JARED AND FRANK LAST WEEK, WE'RE LOOKING AT 300 TO $500 PER SQUARE FOOT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO, WELL, IT'S WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S 5,000 GIVE OR TAKE SQUARE FEET. THAT BUILDING IS YES. CORRECT. WOW. SO YOU'RE TALKING MULTI, YOU KNOW, TWO TO 3 MILLION PROBABLY MINIMUM. YEAH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, SO THE WHITE BUILDING THAT IS THE LIBRARY AND THEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT IS THE, UM, THE BUILDING THAT HAS NO LONGER IN USE. IT WAS BUILT IN 1925. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES DONE? I WOULD EXPECT YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOME ASBESTOS AND, AND OTHER THINGS. YES. AND IN SPEAKING WITH THE, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL, THERE'S TO BELIEVE ASBESTOS IN, IN THE BUILDING. CORRECT. NOW I WILL SAY WITH THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT STANDING WITH BEAUFORT, JASPER, EOC AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, IT IS A LONG-TERM LEASE. THERE IS NO, UM, END DATE WITH THAT. IT JUST STATES IN THERE IF ANY PARTY WANTS TO, UM, BREAK THE LEASE. CORRECT. QUESTION. DO DOES THE LIBRARY HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE HVAC SYSTEM? FROM THE OLD PART? THE OTHER PART, THE SCHOOL, THE EOC SCHOOL DISTRICT PARK? YES, THEY DO. NOW I WILL SAY THE SEPTIC TANK, IT IS FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. THERE'S ONLY ONE SEPTIC TANK ON SITE, AND IT'S FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. NOW, BEHIND THAT, THERE ARE TWO MOBILE UNITS THAT BEAUFORT, JASPER, EOC DOES OWN. THEY BUILT THEM ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE LEASE. THEY, THEY'RE MOBILE UNITS. OH, MOBILE. SO THEY, THEY PULLED THEM. YES. AND THEY DO OWN THAT PER THE TAX RECORDS. AUSTIN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE OUT HERE? GIVE US AN IDEA. UH, I, I, [00:20:01] IS A SCHOOL DISTRICT INTERESTED IN GIVING IT TO US, SHARING IT WITH US? WHAT ARE IN I THINK THEY'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN GIVING IT TO US. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WELL, I THINK THEY WOULD GIVE IT TO US. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT YES. UM, I SPOKE TO A COUPLE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT THE BOARD, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THE IDEA HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. WHETHER IT WOULD BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A MINIMAL DOLLAR AMOUNT OR JUST GIVE IT TO US. I'M NOT QUITE SURE. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, HAVING SAID INTERESTED IN THAT THE AGREEMENT WITH THE EOC IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF SERVICES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND AS PART OF THE IN KIND, THEY HAVE USE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. SO WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS IF WE TOOK THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE AWAY, HOW THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THE TENANT. MR. DAWSON, I, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN US ACQUIRING THIS BUILDING, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN, RENOVATE IT, WHICH WHICHEVER ROUTE WE DECIDE TO GO OFF THE, IF WE CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ENLARGE THE LIBRARY PORTION AND GIVE US A LIBRARY, UH, UH, VIABLE LIBRARY. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL. UM, IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, IN THIS LIBRARY, YOU MIGHT ACCOMMODATE, MIGHT ACCOMMODATE 10 TO 12 PEOPLE. THERE'S FIVE. THERE'S FIVE FIVE, CORRECT. YEAH. IT, IT IS A SMALL ROOM. MM-HMM . SO IF, IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VIABLE LIBRARY OUT IN THE RURAL, UH, PARTS OF THE LUCO DALE AREA, WHICH WOULD SERVICE, UH, LUCO SHELDON BIGGEST STATE AND EVEN THE GRAY HILL AREA, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT, UH, SCHOOL BUILDING. UM, AND TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WELL WE SAW THE, THE INTERIOR OF, UH, UH, HOW ALL THE, UH, ROOFING IS FALLING, UH, THROUGH. UH, BUT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING, AND I'M SURE BACK IN THAT DATE AND TIME, THERE'S A LOT OF ASBESTOS IN THERE. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, UM, GIVE THE STAFF THE, UH, AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND SEE WHAT NEGOTIATION WE CAN MAKE, WE CAN MAKE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ACQUIRE THIS. WHAT'S THE, UH, BALANCE IN OUR LIBRARY IMPACT FEE CURRENTLY? THAT AREA? YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, WE COULD USE THAT POTENTIALLY. 'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE EXPANDING SERVICES AND DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I, IT'S, IT'S OVER NORTH OF THE BROAD, I WANNA SAY A MILLION, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE. SO WE'RE ABOUT 2 MILLION SHY WE COULD FIND TO, IF WE WANTED TO RETROFIT WITH A CONTINGENCY, IF YOU SAID 1.5 TO 2 MILLION, PUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR CONTINGENCY IN THERE, THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE ASBESTOS PROBLEM. WHICH LAST TIME WE DID A PROJECT COST US ABOUT 300 TO $400,000 IN THE JAIL TO TAKE CARE OF. UM, OKAY. WOULD IT BE WORTH IT JUST TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD IT? JUST ADD ON TO REBUILD PATIENT THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO OKAY. UH, ADVISE US ON, INSTEAD OF TRYING, IF I MAY, WE DID LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT, YOU KNOW, COMMENT ON THAT OTTER. YEAH. SO IT IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A HISTORICAL SITE, BUT I DID NOT FIND WHERE IT'S ON THE REGISTER. UM, IT HAS ELIGIBILITY TO BE, BUT UM, IT IS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE LIST RIGHT NOW. IT IS. DOES THAT GIVE US ACCESS TO GRANT FUNDS? YEAH. WELL IF IT IS, THEN THAT CHANGES. BUT YOU CAN'T DO EXACTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU COULD RENOVATE THE INSIDE, BUT A COMPLETE TEAR DOWN IF IT'S ON THE REGISTER, THE HISTORICAL REGISTER, YOU COULD NOT, THE FACADE NEEDS TO STAY AS IS. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE THOUGH, TO TEAR IT DOWN A HISTORIC BUILDING. DID YOU SAY? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION. YEAH. AND I THINK ANOTHER POINT, WE LOOKED AT THE DIAGRAM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL, BUT THAT SITE WHERE THE PARKING LOT MS. HARD YOU COMMENTED ON TO THE RIGHT OF THE LIBRARY BUILDING, WHEN YOU'RE FACING FROM THE, THE SETBACK IS ENOUGH THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL TO ADD ON TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND THAT COULD BE ALSO SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. RIGHT? DO WE KNOW WHICH OF THE TWO BUILDINGS IS THE OLDEST? IS THE, WHICH IS THE 1920 I THINK THE SCHOOL THIS YEAH. THE, THE LONGER THE YES. OH IT IS. OKAY. THE SCHOOL. AND THEN IN 1937, THAT'S WHEN THE GYMNASIUM AND AUDITORIUM WAS CONSTRUCTED. BUT THAT MR. MOORE STATED A, A, YOU KNOW, AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, TO ADD ON TO THE PARKING LOT SIDE. [00:25:01] UM, ARE WE BUDGET FOR VIABLE? WHAT ARE WE BUDGETING RIGHT NOW FOR LIBRARIES? LIKE IF WE WERE TO BUILD A BRAND NEW LIBRARY TO, WELL, IF YOU SAID THAT ONE'S 5,000 SQUARE FEET, SO BASICALLY DOUBLE, SO ANOTHER 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, YOU SAY WE'RE PAYING 300 AND SOME DOLLARS A FOOT. IS THAT FOR RENOVATION OR FOR A BUILDING? JUST TRYING TO DO QUICK MATH OFF THE CUFF. THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION. AND I BELIEVE THE, UH, SCHOOL ITSELF IS 5,000. I THINK THE LIBRARY ITSELF IS SMALLER THAN THAT. I WANNA SAY IT WAS MORE LIKE 3000 SQUARE FEET FOR WHERE WE ARE IN THIS STAGE. I MEAN, THIS IS EVEN BEFORE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. UM, I WOULD JUST ESTIMATE A TOTAL PROJECT AROUND A $5 MILLION, UM, $5 MILLION. SO BY THE TIME YOU GET INTO THIS TO THIS, UM, AND REALLY GET INTO DESIGN ENGINEERING, UM, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE. I KNOW IT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DESIGN, BUT JUST WHAT, $5 MILLION, $5.3 MILLION WAS OUR STATION. 39. THAT WAS MOST RECENT PROJECT. UM, SO IT'S A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS MINIMUM ON THE HIGH END WHERE WE ARE CONCEPTUAL AS WE DESIGN IT, WE WOULD REFINE THAT NUMBER, REFINE IT, REFINE IT, REFINE IT. BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD ESTIMATE AS YOU'RE GOING IN RIGHT NOW, IS THAT THE ESTIMATE TO EXPAND IT TO THE RIGHT? WELL, SO, OR IF WE GO THAT WAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CHALLENGES EACH WAY. UM, SO YOU'VE GOT NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH TYPICALLY IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. UM, BUT ALSO IN THIS ONE YOU'VE GOT RECONSTRUCTION WITH A ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND POSSIBLY HISTORICAL. UM, SO THIS ISN'T JUST A SIMPLE RENOVATION. UM, ALL THE SYSTEMS ARE OLD. THE MECHANICAL, THE HVAC, THE BOILER SYSTEM, ALL THOSE ARE ANCIENT. AND THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE FULLY REPLACED. SO THIS IS A FULL TEAR DOWN TO THE STUDS AND REMODEL OR RE RENOVATE, NOT A PUT SOME PAINT ON THE WALL. SO, UM, NO IDEA. GEEZ, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LET IT GET LIKE THIS. AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE WANT TO EXPAND OUR LIBRARY THERE IN LUCO. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OR IS THAT NOT IN FACT WHAT IT IS? WELL, WHEN COUNCILMAN DAWSON, YOU KNOW, DID, YOU KNOW, BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION AT THE LAST FINANCE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT. DO WE EVEN HAVE A NEED TO EXPAND SERVICES AT LOKO? AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH AMANDA, YES. I MEAN WE HAVE PROGRAMMING OUT THERE. IT IS A SMALL BUILDING. UM, SO COULD WE BENEFIT FROM THAT? ABSOLUTELY. COULD THERE BE MORE MORE MEETING ROOMS, YOU KNOW, IN LUKO OUT IN THAT SITE? YES. AND THE LIBRARY BOARD IS ON BOARD WITH EXPANSION AT LUKO SITE. WE HAVE NOT HAD DISCUSSION WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT. UM, FOR ME, UM, I, I SUPPORT THE EXPANSION, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT SUPPORT FOR THE NEED AND JUSTIFY THE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXPANSION. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEST BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT LOOKED INSIDE. IF WE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING WITH THE SCHOOL, OLD SCHOOL, UM, I THINK WE USED TO CALL IT PETER PAN. UM, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT OLD SCHOOL, WE NEED TO LOOK INSIDE AND SEE THE, YOU KNOW, DO THE ENGINEERING TO SEE WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT CAN BE DONE AND THEN GO FROM THERE. I WOULD THINK MR. DAWSON, THAT, UM, A WELL IS HERE NEEDED, I MEAN, WELL, IS AT THIS SITE FOR WATER, DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC WATER? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, WELL IT IS, IT IS NOT CONNECTED. WATER. WATER IS, IT'S AVAILABLE ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE. THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IT ACROSS THE STREET. OH YEAH. THAT'S NO PROBLEM FOR THE BEEF OF JASPER WATER. OKAY. I, I THINK IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS, I THINK IF YOU NEED EXPANSION, UM, ON THE LIBRARY, AND I THINK WE DO, UM, I THINK COMING FROM THE, UM, LIBRARY BOARD SAYING THIS IS HOW MUCH SPACE WE NEED, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE ADD TO THE BUILD CURRENT BUILDING OR WE DO SOME RENOVATION ON THE EXISTING BUILDING AND STUFF. AND THEN SEEING WHETHER THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY SUITABLE FOR RENOVATION. UM, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE SOUND, ET CETERA. IT HAD BEEN BUILT SINCE 1938. SO I MEAN, 20 SOMETHING. SO IS IT 1937? 1925? THERE'S A COUPLE DATES THAT YEAH, THAT'S JUST AS OLD AS, UM, THE PORT ROYAL SCHOOL. YEAH. UM, AND WE STILL USING THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME, HAVING GOODS FACTS HELPS. AND THAT WAS OUR INTENTION WHEN WE MET LAST WEEK, THAT WE WERE HOPING TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT KEY, UM, TO UNLOCK. SO, ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO DISPARAGE THAT IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. BUT THERE ARE WAYS, UM, IF IT, IF IT WAS A DECISION TO DO A TEAR DOWN, IT CAN BE DONE WITH DOCUMENTATION, BUT THAT COSTS MORE TOO. IT'S A SHAME THAT THE BUILDING HAS DETERIORATED, UM, AND [00:30:01] ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE, I GUESS, WITH THE ROOF, UH, MAKING IT EVEN HARDER TO RENOVATE. SO YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT MS. MS. HOWARD, BUT I'M GLAD YOU DID. YEAH. ALRIGHT, A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS. SO, WE'LL, I KNOW THE LIBRARY BOARD AND I SERVED ON IT FOUR YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT LIKO IS TOO SMALL. HOWEVER, I THINK YOU NEED TO GET FROM THEM THEIR NUMBERS OF USAGE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEIR USAGE NUMBERS ARE LOW. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, WELL, ST. HELENA'S WERE LOW TOO. AT THE TIME I WAS ON THE BOARD, BLUFFTON WAS TOO BIG WAS THE NUMBERS WERE OUTRAGEOUS. BUFORT IS WELL USED HILTON HEAD. SO THOSE NUMBERS WOULD HELP. BUT $5 MILLION TO DO THAT BUILDING. I JUST THINK WE WOULD BE TAKING IT OFF THE HANDS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY WOULD LOVINGLY PUT A BOW ON IT FOR US , BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY DON'T WANT IT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, EITHER THAT OR EXPAND IT MIGHT BE BETTER. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN DEFINITELY, THE BOARD MEETS AGAIN IN NOVEMBER, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY, I'LL ASK AMANDA TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD AND FOLLOW UP WITH COUNSEL. SO I JUST, I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT ACTION'S COMING OUT OF TODAY? SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL, IF I MAY, I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS WE WILL WORK WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD TO SEE HOW MUCH SPACE THEY NEED. I THINK IN THE MEANTIME WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE WOULD THEY BE AMENABLE TO US EXPANDING ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING US TO RENOVATE THE SCHOOL BILL, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US THE SCHOOL BUILDING TO RENOVATE AND THEN HOW THAT AFFECTS THE TENANT. SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD'S, UM, PREFERENCES ARE, AT LEAST WITH THEIR ADMINISTRATION WITH, UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. WE WILL. UH, IT DOES. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A FOLLOW UP ON IT. AND ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. UM, FINAL COMMENT. CHAT WITH CONSUL. YES. GERALD? I'LL CHAT WITH CONSUL ARE HELD IN LIBRARIES. HILTON HEAD, LOFTON, UH, . I CAN'T HOLD WITH CONSUL AND LOKO. NO, I KNOW YOU CAN'T. IT'S THIS BIG. I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TOO. YEAH, IT'S THIS BIG JOE. HE SERVED ON THE LIBRARY. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE EXPANSION OF THE LIBRARY NEEDS IN BLUFFTON. WE HAVE THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A LIBRARY ON. I KNOW THE, THE, UH, LIBRARY BOARD HAS DISCUSSED THAT. UH, I KNOW THEY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THE LIKO LIBRARY RENOVATED, BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY TO GO AROUND AND I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THEIR PRIORITY WOULD BE, BUT I SUSPECT THAT THEY MAY WELL WANT TO BUILD A BRAND NEW LIBRARY IN THE BLUFFTON AREA BECAUSE THE BLUFFTON LIBRARY IS SO HEAVILY USED. UM, I'LL JUST WRAP THIS UP IF WE COULD, UNLESS MR. DAWSON HAS ANYTHING ELSE HE WANTS TO ADD. I KNOW WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO YOU. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, MR. DAWSON. I LIKE THE IDEA 'CAUSE IT'S A SKELETON AS SOMEBODY QUOTED EARLIER, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GET DONE, I'M ON BOARD TO PUSH FORWARD WITH IT. SO HOWEVER WE CAN HELP FIND FUNDS TO WORK THAT OUT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOUR COMMUNITY NEEDS AND YOUR PASSION ABOUT IT, LET'S CONTINUE TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL AND THE LIBRARY BOARD TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANNA GO AND HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THIS DONE. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT IS A HISTORICAL THING, THERE IS WAYS YOU CAN GET FUNDING THROUGH THERE. UM, WE KNOW WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS ON JUST THE NORTHERN SIDE IN THE LIBRARY IMPACT FEES. SO EVEN IF WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT AT THREE TO 5 MILLION, WE'RE ALREADY 30%, 25% THERE. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT GETTING IT DONE, THAT'S WHERE WE WE PUT IT AT. AND LET'S GO. AND MR. CHAIR ONE FOLLOW UP. I WAS REMISS. I I HAD DISCUSSED THIS WITH MR. EDMONDSON AT THE, UH, COG. HE SAID THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR CDBG IN HIS PROJECT, SO WE'LL PURSUE THAT AS WELL. THIS IS HOW WE GET CREATIVE. BUT IF WE KNOW WE CAN ALREADY PUT FORWARD A MILLION TOWARDS THIS FOR 1,000,005, THIS IS HOW WE CAN START WORKING WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO FINISH THE FUNDING AND FINISH THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S THE ANGLE WE SHOULD GO WITH THIS. SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS COULD GET THAT FOR HIM AND MAYBE WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING. UH, YOU SAID WHEN'S THE LIBRARY BOARD? NOVEMBER, IS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER OURS IN NOVEMBER FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES? UM, I'M NOT SURE. I WANNA SAY OURS IS LIKE THE 16TH IN NOVEMBER. I BELIEVE THE LIBRARY MEETS ON NOVEMBER 19TH. I BELIEVE I I DON'T HAVE A CALENDAR. WE COULD JUST AT LEAST GET A REPORT. NOVEMBER 18TH IS WHEN THE LIBRARY 18 BOARD MEETS AND WE WILL MEET AT THE BLUFFTON LIBRARY. MM-HMM . SO I GUESS PREFERABLY THEN, JUST SO WE CAN GET INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE MINE IS THE 16TH OF NOVEMBER. MAYBE [00:35:01] WE CAN GET THAT AT ALICE'S COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING TO AT LEAST GET THE INFORMATION TO GET US PREPARED FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. IS THAT FAIR? YEAH. YEAH. YOU COULD A PUBLIC ASK THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETS ON THE 16TH. I AGREE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE OUTLETS WE CAN USE TO FIND THIS PROJECT WHEN WE MEET WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE MIGHT DO A COLLABORATION WITH THEM. I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE US THIS BUILDING. BUT MAYBE JUST THE WAY THE MUNICIPALITIES SAY, WE'LL TAKE OUR ROADS IF YOU BRING THEM UP TO PAR. MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE HAVE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. , THIS HAS TO BE COSTING THEM MONEY EVERY YEAR TO MAINTAIN THIS BUILDING TO SOME MR. GLOVER'S LAUGHING BUT IT'S WORTH ASKING. NO, THAT'S VERY, THAT'S VERY CREATIVE. IT NEVER HURTS. NO, NEVER HURTS TO ASK NOTE. I'M NOT LIKE WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THIS BALL FIELD DISCUSSION, BUT WE WE'RE GONNA SELL TO US. WE'RE GONNA KEEP ON MOVING FORWARD. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE THIS? I THINK STAFF HAS A GOOD DIRECTION. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [7.c. Approval of task order to Collins Engineers, Inc for the design of improvements and expansion of the Eddings Point Boat Landing ($233,912.80) (Pending A&H Tax awards on 9/14/26) (FISCAL IMPACT: The fee for Collins Engineers, Inc. for the design and permitting of improvement and expansion of the Edding's Point Boat Landing is $212,647.80. Staff recommends a 10% contingency of approximately $21,265 for a total of $233,912.80. Funding for this project is from A & H tax with account number 2001-10-0000-57130-EDPT with a balance to be updated after Council meeting on 9/14/26.) - Bryan Bauer, PE - Director of Engineering (5 min) ] MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. APPROVAL OF A TASK ORDER TO COLLINS ENGINEERS INC. FOR DESIGN OF IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPANSION OF INGS POINT BOAT LANDING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR? SO MOVE MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. AND A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. THANK YOU MR. LAWSON. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, SO EDDINGS POINT BOAT LANDING WAS A IDENTIFIED IN THE BOAT LANDING STUDY IS A LANDING FOR HIGH PURPORT, HIGH PRIORITY OF EXPANSION. UM, ALL THE LANDING AROUND AND LAND AROUND IT IS OWNED BY BEFORD COUNTY. SO, UM, AND IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHLY USED BOAT LANDINGS IN, IN THE COUNTY. SO THIS SCOPE OF PROPOSAL IS GOING TO EXPAND THE PARKING AREA AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO USE. UM, ADD WALKING TRAILS, RAMP AND DOG IMPROVEMENTS, SHORELINE STABILIZATION, AND ALSO, UH, PERMITTING FOR A FUTURE PIER IF IT EVER DECIDES TO GO THAT WAY. UM, THE PROPOSAL IS 212,000, UM, WITH A CONTINGENCY OF 21,000 FOR A TOTAL OF A LITTLE OVER 233,000. AND THIS WOULD BE WITH AH, H TAX THAT WAS APPROVED LAST WEEK. SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THE DESIGN. YES MA'AM. SO I'M GONNA ASK, SAME QUESTION I ASKED ABOUT BROAD RIVER AND WIM CREEK, WHICH WE'RE GONNA DESTROY. DO WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO, TO DO AFTER WE GET TO THE DESIGN, DO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS? I DON'T THINK WE DO. RIGHT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE, WHETHER THAT BE ADDITIONAL A H OR FUNDING. OKAY. BUT THIS GOES BACK TO WHY DO WE KEEP DOING ALL THESE DESIGNS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING SOURCE AND NOW WE'RE CHASING OUR TAIL. TWO POINTS I WOULD MAKE IS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE COST IS GONNA BE TO BUILD IT. BUT ALSO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT GRANTS, WHICH THERE ARE GRANTS FOR BOAT LANDINGS AS WELL, THERE'S THE BIG GRANT, WHICH IS A STATE GRANT AND A FEDERAL, THERE ARE FEDERAL GRANTS ALSO. THEY FAVOR, UH, SHOVEL READY AND BEING ABLE TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 12 TO 18 MONTHS. AND JUST THE PERMITTING ALONE ON ONE OF THESE PROJECTS CAN TAKE 12 TO 18 MONTHS. SO IF YOU'RE NOT STARTED, YOU'RE KIND OF BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ALREADY. SO THAT, THAT'S THE TWO POINTS I'D MAKE. BUT I FULLY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I JUST DON'T WANNA MISLEAD THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE TEARING DOWN WIMPY CREEK AND I DON'T KNOW, THE PAPER SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WE'LL REBUILD IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. UH, THE PLAN IS BEING DESIGNED TO DO A YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE MISLEADING PEOPLE TO THINK ONCE WE HAVE A DESIGN, WE'RE GONNA DO IT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. WE'RE NOT MISLEADING. THE PAPER'S MISLEADING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE PROJECTS ON THE SHELF READY TO GO, YOU'LL NEVER GET ANY GRANTS. YOU'LL NEVER GET ANY MATCHING DOLLARS. I I, I'VE SEEN PROJECTS DESIGNED THAT SAT ON THE SHELF FOR TWO TO THREE TO FOUR YEARS AND I, I THINK THIS IS PRUDENT TO HAVE IT DESIGNED AND THEN WE CAN GO FORWARD, UM, IF AND WHEN MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE. UM, FIRST OFF, UH, WE WERE IN A GENERAL INTERVIEW. I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE AS STAFF IN THE ROOM. I WAS VERY, VERY HARSH IN THAT MEETING AND VERY FRUSTRATED. SO I DO APOLOGIZE IF THAT CAME ACROSS THE WRONG WAY TO ANY OF YOU GUYS. SO I WILL, I WILL TAKE THAT PUBLICLY. I I AM SORRY. UM, I HAD THAT SAME RESERVATION TAB. DID UM, I FIND THIS WHOLE DAY KIND OF A LITTLE IRONIC. UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME OF THESE READY. THIS IS ONE THAT IS TOP OF THE LIST, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE. BUT I DO WANT US TO START LOOKING AT PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN. I KNOW I MET WITH JARED AFTERWARDS AND WE SAID LET'S PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR OUR HIGHEST NEED OF OUR BOAT LANDINGS AND LET'S START COMING UP WITH WAYS TO ACTUALLY FUND THEM INSTEAD OF THEM SITTING ON A SHELF. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE APPROACH WE'RE GONNA TAKE WITH THAT LIBRARY. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE APPROACH I'M TRYING TO TAKE WITH THE BALL FIELDS. LET'S START COMING UP WITH A FUNDING SOURCE TO GET THESE PROJECTS ROLLING SO WE CAN START APPLYING FOR THESE GRANTS. THAT SHOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP FOR THIS COUNCIL. AND THE NEXT COUNCIL COMING IS LET'S GET THIS LIST. LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS AND LET'S START PRIORITIZING THESE PROJECTS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT FUNDING SOURCES WE CAN START PUTTING TOWARDS IT SO WE CAN HAVE [00:40:01] SOME SKIN IN THE GAME SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THESE BUILT. IF WE COULD GET THAT GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH ONE OF THESE BOAT LANDINGS, THEN WE CAN CONTINUALLY BE FORWARD THINKING ON THE VERY NEXT ONE. SO WE HAVE FUNDING WHEN THEY'RE READY TO BE SHOVEL READY. WE JUST, RIGHT NOW WE'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. YEP. SO LET'S PUT A PLAN TOGETHER AND FIGURE THAT OUT. WE CAN TRY. WE SUPPORT THIS DESIGN. I THINK THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH BOAT LANDING THAT'S DESIGNED, UH, THIRD I BELIEVE. AND EFFICIENT BEER. YEAH. OKAY. UM, I GUESS WE HAD ALL JOY TOO. THAT ONE'S NOT FINISHED YET. CORRECT. AND ALL JOY'S IN DESIGN, BUT THAT ONE'S BEEN FUNDED THROUGH A OKAY. UH, NOT A GRANT BUT ALLOCATION FROM THE STATE DNR. SO MOST OF THE FUNDING'S THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE GOT THE DESIGN DONE SO WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE GRANT. I LIKE IT. WELL THE IDEA WAS THAT ONE AHEAD OF TIME WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER. TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK. UM, PERFECT. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CAN THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. WELL THE ONLY THING WE DID ASK FOR THE COUNTY TO PRIORITIZE THESE BOAT RAMPS 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT BROAD RIVER LAST TIME. MM-HMM . IS THIS ONE ABOVE THAT? UH, IT IS UP THERE ON THE YEAH, WE HAVE A PRIORITIZATION WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BRING FORWARD AT THE NEXT PFC MEETING. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR NOW. AND SO WE HAVE THAT BROKEN DOWN BASED ON UH, THE BOAT LANDING MASTER PLAN, IF THERE'S KNOWN SAFETY ISSUES. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? GOT IT. THIS CAN BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. WE'LL [7.d. Approval of a change order to MAJ Enterprises, Inc. for the Shell Point Traffic Calming Project ($53,592.09) (FISCAL IMPACT: The change order for materials and construction in the amount of $48,720.09 is needed to complete and close out the project. Staff recommends a 10% contingency of $4,872.00 for a total budget increase of $53,592.09. The change order will be funded from the Capital Projects Fund Account No. 4000-80-1243-54500 with a balance of $471,245.) - Bryan Bauer, Director of Engineering (5 Minutes) ] MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. APPROVAL OF A CHANGE ORDER TO MAJ ENTERPRISES INC. FOR SHELL POINT TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECT. I HAVE MOTION TO PUT THAT ONE ON THE FLOOR. I MAKE MOTION. THANK YOU. SECOND. ALRIGHT. SECONDED BY MR. GLOVER. YEAH, THIS IS FOR THE SHELL POINT. TRAFFIC CALMING. SO, UH, THIS IS JUST A CLOSEOUT CHANGE ORDER TO FINISH THE PROJECT UP. UM, THE MAJORITY, THESE ITEMS WERE ABLE TO BE COVERED UNDER CONTINGENCY, BUT SINCE THERE WAS AN ASPHALT OVERAGE THAT WOULD'VE EXCEEDED THAT, WE JUST PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER TOGETHER TO BRING IT BACK. SO THE CHANGE ORDER REQUEST IS, UH, $48,720. UM, AND WE DID PUT CONTINGENCY ON THERE, BUT THE TOTAL IS 53,592. UM, AND THAT WILL CLOSE OUT THE PROJECT. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, DAVID? THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION AND I SEE NO OBJECTION. ALL RIGHTY. [7.e. Recommendation to Award a contract to Apac Atlantic, Inc for the Sunset Blvd / Miller Drive roadway resurfacing and traffic calming project ($739,873.48) (FISCAL IMPACT: The contract fee for materials and construction is $672,612.25. Staff recommend a contingency of 10% ($67,261.23) bringing the project requested budget to be $739,873.48. The funding for this project is from Account No. 4705-80-0000-S4500-LIMP with a balance of $26,100,000) - Bryan Bauer, Director of Engineering (5 min) ] RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO APAC ATLANTIC INC. FOR SUNSET BOULEVARD AND MILLER DRIVE, ROADWAY RESURFACING AND TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECT. THIS WAS JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER OF MOTION TO PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR. SO MOVED. MR. THANK YOU AND A SECOND PLEASE. I SECOND IT. SECONDED BY TAB. FANTASTIC MRS. BEING PAID FOR OUT OF 28 7 20 18. CORRECT? UH, YES SIR. AND THE ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT ON THIS ONE, UM, IS WE DID PUT OUT A BID THIS IS 2018 SALES TAX PROJECT. WE DID GET ONE BIDDER ON IT, WHICH UM, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WE ONLY HAVE TWO MAJOR ASPHALT SUPPLIERS LOCALLY. SO WHEN WE GET ONE OR TWO BIDS, IT DOESN'T REALLY SURPRISE US. IN THIS CASE, THEY ACTUALLY CAME IN ABOUT $40,000 UNDER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, ONE BID. AND THAT BID HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND EVALUATED BY OUR CONSULTANTS. SO ANY COMMENTS? NO, I'M JUST GLAD TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. IT IS GOOD. VERY MUCH SO. ANY OBJECTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? AND I SEE NO OBJECTION. I MOVE [7.f. Approval of a Task Order to HDR Engineering, Inc for the Preliminary Engineering for Alterations to the Chowan Creek Bridge Approaches ($212,630) (FISCAL IMPACT: The fee for HDR Engineering, Inc. for the preliminary design and engineering of alterations to the Chowan Creek Bridge is $193,300. Staff recommends a 10% contingency of approximately $19,330 for a total of $212,630. Funding for this project is from TAG account number 2342-30-0000 51160 with a balance of $1,868,672.00.) - Bryan Bauer, PE - Director of Engineering (5 min)] ON TO F APPROVAL OF A TASK ORDER TO HDR ENGINEERING INC. FOR PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE CHOWING CREEK BRIDGE APPROACHES. MOTION PLEASE. SO MOVEMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL SECOND THANK YOU AND SECONDED BY MR. BARTHOLOMEW. OKAY. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S ON THE 2026 REFERENDUM. WE ARE TRYING, IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY ROADWAY VULNERABILITY STUDY THAT WE DID. AND I BELIEVE ALSO IN THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN. UM, I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BIG COUNCIL BEFORE THAT THIS, THE BRIDGE ITSELF IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR, UH, A MEDIAN, BUT THE APPROACHES ARE NOT. SO WHEN THERE'S EMERGENCY SITUATION, UM, AN ACCIDENT EVACUATION, THIS IS KIND OF THE CHOKE POINT. SO THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW US USING OUR LOCAL TAG FEES TO START THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN ON THIS. UM, SO WE CAN THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, IF THE SALES TAX PASSES OR IF WE FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOMEWHERE. ANY QUESTIONS? THERE'S NO QUESTION. QUESTION. JUST A COMMENT. UM, AND, AND, UM, BRIAN IS CORRECT. UM, UH, WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW IN THIS, UM, JUNCTION, IT'S, IT, IT FREEZES TRAFFIC, UM, COMPLETELY OFF OF ST. HELENA AND THE HOLLANDS BEYOND INCLUDING TRIP ISLAND. UM, AND EVEN AFTER A CLEARING UP, IT PROBABLY TAKE ANOTHER TWO, THREE HOURS TO FOOT THE TRAFFIC TO GO BACK TO NORMAL FLOW. [00:45:01] SO THIS IS A MAJOR, UM, CONNECTION HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU COMING FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK YOU. THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. ALRIGHT. AND I SEE NO OBJECTION. THIS IS APPROVED. UH, MOVING ON [7.g. Omnia contract award for St. Helena Island Library LED retrofit ($200,000). (FISCAL IMPACT: The contract amount is $189,000, staff recommends $11,000 for contingency; bringing the total cost to $200,000. The funding source will be the 2025 GL Bond GL account # 4013-80-1310 54420 which has the account balance of $100,000; and Repairs to Buildings GL account # 1000-30-1310-51130 which has the account balance of $3,000,000.) - Ron Lewis, Senior Project Manager, 5 min. ] TO G OMNIA CONTRACT AWARD FOR ST. HELENA ISLAND LIBRARY. LED RETROFIT. HAVE A MOTION TO PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR. SO MOVE MR. CHAIRMAN IN A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU MR. LAWSON. HI, HOW ARE YA? HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON. BRIAN LEWIS, UH, PROJECT MANAGER FOR FACILITIES PAYMENTS. THIS IS, UH, CONTRACT AWARD. UM, IT'S TRUE IN, UH, COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT WITH UH, OMNIA. AND THE, UH, CONTRACT AMOUNTS 189,000 WITH AN $11,000 CONTINGENCY FOR AN LED INTERIOR LIGHTING RETROFIT AT ST. HELENA ISLAND LIBRARY. UM, THE ISSUE WE ARE HAVING OUT THERE IS THAT THAT BUILDING WAS, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, THE LIGHTING WAS STATE OF THE ART, MEANING IT WAS VERY FANCY. AND AT THIS POINT ALL THAT LIGHTING IS OBSOLETE. WE'RE NO LONGER ABLE TO, UM, GET PARTS, NOT EVEN USE PARTS OFF EBAY. SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS AN URGENT PROJECT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE FULL LIGHTING INSIDE THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUST A COMMENT FOR ME. UM, UM, IN, IN REPLACING, ARE YOU GOING BACK TO THE OLD FASHIONED LIGHT BULBS? UM, SO THAT, THAT THIS WILL NOT BECOME A PROBLEM? UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEW STATE OF THE ART LIGHT BULBS, BUT IT REALLY, UM, IS LIKE ME. I LIKE OLD WASHING MACHINES 'CAUSE IT LASTS A LONG TIME. . UM, I AGREE. MY WIFE EASTER LOVER WIFE LIKES THE NEW ONE AND EVERY SEVEN YEARS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY A NEW ONE. UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED? I KNOW 20 YEARS FROM NOW AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS OR WHAT? WELL, AS, AS, AS HAS HAPPENED HERE, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED. NO. AND UM, EVEN THESE, THESE, UM, EXISTING BULBS AND BALLAST ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE THROUGH FEDERAL MANDATE. SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN IS LED BULBS, WHICH WILL BE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR A REBATE THROUGH DOMINION. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT'LL BE YET, BUT WE DO PURSUE THOSE AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES SIR. ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 189 OR THE CURRENT PRICE OF THIS? BECAUSE I SEE THAT TWO LOCAL VENDORS AND ONE NATIONAL VENDOR DECLINED TO PROVIDE PROPOSALS. SO WE ONLY HAD ONE PROPOSAL ON THIS, RIGHT? WE ONLY HAD ONE GOOD VIABLE PROPOSAL. YES. AND IT HAD TO DO MORE WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF THE FIXTURES, THEN IT HAD TO DO WITH AVAILABILITY. YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. UM, I JUST DID THIS IN A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOR, UH, FOURTH OF THIS COST. SO MY QUESTION IS HOW IS IT 75%? I GET IT. THE MOMENT YOU GET TO GOVERNMENT AND THEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA HIT YOU MORE. SAME THING WITH LOCAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I DID THAT FOR ABOUT 40,000, 45,000 IN A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SO WALK ME THROUGH HOW THAT MAKES SENSE. AND THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES HERE IN THIS BUILDING IS, IS THAT THE LIGHTING IS CONTROLLED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. IT HAS LOW VOLTAGE CONTROLS, AMBIENT CONTROLS, MOTION CONTROLS. AND SO ALL THOSE CONTROLS MEAN YOU HAVE TO USE VERY SPECIFIC DRIVERS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE CONTROLS. IT WAS A LUTRON SYSTEM ORIGINALLY. AND THE FIXTURES, IF YOU'VE UH, FOLKS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND, AND THINK ABOUT THE FIXTURES FOR A SECOND, THEY'RE KIND OF NARROW STRIPS. YEP. SOME OF THEM HANG FROM THE CEILING, SOME OF THEM ARE BUILT INTO THE WALLS. SO A LOT OF YOUR NORMAL, UH, DRIVERS, WHICH ARE LIKE THE OLD FLUORESCENT BALLAST, THEY WON'T FIT IN THESE FIXTURES. BUT THE, THE DRIVING CONCERN IS, IS THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING CONTROL SYSTEM. UNLESS WE SPENT MORE MONEY TO REPLACE ALL THE CONTROLS, THE CONTROLS ARE STILL VIABLE. MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE JUST REPLACED THE BALLOTS AND MADE 'EM LEDS. YEAH. SO, ALRIGHT. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? AND I MEAN, TIMEFRAME WISE LIBRARIES WAS BUILT IN 2012. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THAT 14 YEARS? SO TIMEFRAME ISN'T [00:50:01] OUTRAGEOUS TO THINK ABOUT THAT. IT IS TIME TO UPDATE THAT WE'RE OVER A DECADE IN. UM, THAT'S NORMAL. TRUST ME. UNFORTUNATELY, I HATE TO SAY IT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CAN THIS BE APPROVED? CAN THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. MM-HMM . AND I SEE NO OBJECTION. THIS IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHTY. WE'RE MOVING [7.h. Recommendation for approval of a change order with Kimley Horn for a Phase 2 Environmental Site Assessment (ESA) on the Ladys Island Drive Turn Lane at Ribaut Road Project ($42,350) (FISCAL IMPACT: The change order for the Phase 2 ESA is $38,500. Staff recommends a 10% contingency of $3,850, bringing the total approved budget increase to $42,350. Funding for this task order will be from Impact Fees North account 2300-30-0000-54500-12303 with a balance of $4,900,000.00.) - Bryan Bauer, Director of Engineering (5 Min)] ON TO H RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF A CHANGE ORDER WITH KIMBERLY HORN FOR A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT ON THE LADIES ISLAND DRIVE TURN LANE IN REBO ROAD PROJECT. A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL SECOND MS. HOWARD'S MOTION. OH, I I JUST, I I DIDN'T HAVE, I CAN MAKE THE MOTION. I DIDN'T. I THINK YOU DID. WELL I MADE IT 'CAUSE EVERYONE WAS SILENT, BUT I DON'T. ALL RIGHT. TAB MADE THE MOTION. AND SECOND MR. GLOVER. SO THIS IS, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THE DESIGN FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE COMING OFF OF LAYS ISLAND DRIVE ONTO REBO ROAD OVER IN PORT ROYAL. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE PARKER'S PROPERTY WAS THAT Y'ALL AGREED, THAT WE PURCHASED FOR THE PROJECT. UM, AS PART OF THAT, THEY DID A PHASE ONE EVALUATION, SITE ASSESSMENT THAT IDENTIFIED THAT, UM, HEY, IT WAS A FORMER GAS STATION. WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. AND SO THIS IS THE CHANGE ORDER TO THE COME DO THAT PHASE TWO SITE EVALUATION, WHICH IS GONNA INCLUDE SOME GEOTECHNICAL BORINGS OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE GROUNDWATER AND THE SOILS, UM, AND DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS THAT NEED, UH, REMEDIATION QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. I I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEARED BY THE STATE ALREADY, THAT SITE. YES. SO, UM, SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE SITE FROM PARKER'S, THEY HAD DONE A PREVIOUSLY, UM, PHASE ONE EVEN BEFORE PARKER'S PURCHASED IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE PURCHASED IT ON. THEY CLEARED IT AND REMOVED ALL THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, WATCHED THEM TAKE THE TANKS OUT. GOT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT CLEARED MM-HMM . HOWEVER, UM, WHAT WE ALSO INCLUDED IN, IN OUR CLOSING WHEN THAT IS, UM, WE HAVE ONE YEAR TO DO ACTUALLY EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. AND IF WE FIND ANYTHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT, THEN THEY, UM, PARKER'S HAS TO, THEY HAVE TWO YEARS TO DO THE REMEDIATION. SO IF IT COMES IN THAT SO AMOUNT MUCH DIRT HAS TO BE REMOVED TO REMOVE THE TOXIC SOIL OR WHATEVER MIGHT COME UP IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUSH BACK THAT COST TO PARKERS. SO, SOUNDS, SOUNDS I I, YEP. OKAY. AND I GET IT. WHAT I'LL ADD TO IT IS WHAT THE PHASE ONE THAT LEY HORN SAID MM-HMM . WAS THAT THEY COULD NOT IDENTIFY CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE, BUT THERE WAS PREVIOUS MONITORING WELLS THERE AND THEY REACHED OUT TO THE STATE TO GET CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHETHER THOSE WELLS HAD BEEN CAPPED OR CLOSED AND THEY COULD NEVER GET INFORMATION FROM THE STATE. SO THEY SAID THAT BASICALLY THEY COULDN'T FIND EVIDENCE OF UH, CONTAMINATION, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED THE PHASE TWO JUST TO GO BACK AND CONFIRM IT. SO, OKAY. AND THEN BOTH THIS AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AT ADVANCED AUTO PARTS HAS A TURN LANE PROJECT TWO, THOSE TWO TURN LANE PROJECTS WOULD BE FULLY FUNDED IN THE PROPOSED 26 SALES TAX IF APPROVED. MY QUESTION WOULD BE YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A JOKE OR IF IT WAS BEING FOR REAL. YOU SAID PHASE ONE CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS A GAS STATION. THAT'S GENUINELY WHAT WE PAID FOR. NO, THE PHASE ONE IS A DESKTOP RESEARCH PROJECT. THEY GO, BASICALLY THEY GO LOOK AT THE SITE, DO A SITE VISIT AND THEN DO DESKTOP REVIEW, LOOK AT HISTORICAL IMAGES AND WHEN THEY WENT TO THE SITE, THEY SAW THE THREE, UH, MONITORING WELLS. THEY JUST COULD NOT THROUGH THEIR DESKTOP RESEARCH CONFIRM WHETHER THOSE WELLS HAD BEEN CAPPED OR NOT. SO THAT'S STANDARD PROCESS FOR MOST, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL SITES LIKE THIS IS, IT'S MORE MAKING SURE THAT THE GAS STATION WAS CLOSED PROPERLY? YES, BASICALLY. OKAY. AND SITES WERE REMOVED AND THAT THERE'S NO, I'M JUST MAKING SURE. , THE BIG THING IS TO CHECK THAT THERE'S NO PREVIOUS, SORRY SITE, UH, THAT THERE ARE NO TANK LEAK LEAKS THAT HAVE CONTAMINATED THE SOIL OR GOTTEN INTO THE GROUNDWATER THAT IS MIGRATING OFFSITE. SO, AND, AND THE PREVIOUS PHASE ONE THAT WAS DONE ON THE SITE IN PARKER'S PURCHASE, WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT FROM THE ORIGINAL UM, GAS STATION, IT SAID THERE WAS NO NORM, THERE WAS NO, UM, UM, ACTIVITY BEYOND A NORMAL, WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AT A GAS STATION SITE. SO, UM, AND THEN SINCE THEN THE TANKS WERE REMOVED ADDITIONALLY. SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT AND IT ALSO WE HAVE WITHIN THE YEAR TIMEFRAME THAT IF WE DO FIND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN, LIKE A WARRANTY CORRECT. AND WE GIVE IT BACK TO PARKERS TO, TO REMEDIATE. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN THIS BE APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. ALRIGHT. AND THIS IS APPROVED WITH NO OBJECTION. [7.i. An Ordinance authorizing the private road acceptance of Bellinger Bluff Road and Bellinger Neck Road into the County Road Inventory (FISCAL IMPACT: Future impacts - Estimated potential costs for Public Works of roadside cleaning ≈ $20,000 (Stormwater Infrastructure account # 5025-90-9020-51170); Estimated potential cost for paving (Additional 3% inflation applied over 10 years) ≈ $1,328,950.81 (TAG account # 2342-30-0000-54500)) - Bryan Bauer, Director of Engineering (5 minutes)] ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE LAST ONE HERE. AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZED IN THE PRIVATE ROAD ACCEPTANCE OF BELLINGER BLUFF ROAD AND BELLINGER NECK ROAD INTO THE COUNTY ROAD INVENTORY. A MOTION TO PUT THIS ON THE FLOOR. [00:55:02] A MOTION MOVED. , I'LL SECOND. IT WAS SECONDED BY MR. LAWSON. MOTION BY MS. BROWN. OKAY. SO, AND I'LL START OUT BY SAYING WE HAVE WITH US TODAY OUR RIGHT WAY MANAGER, KELSEY FLOYD AND A COUPLE RESIDENTS OF, UH, BELLINGER BLUFF AND BELLINGER NECK ROADS. SO BASICALLY THEY REACHED OUT, I BELIEVE IN MARCH TO FOLLOW POLICY STATEMENT 17, WHICH IS IF THEY GET THE, UH, SIGNATURES OF A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE ROADWAY, THEY CAN BRING IT FORWARD TO PFC FOR, TO ASK FOR ADOPTION OR TO BRING IT INTO THE SYSTEM. SO THEY HAVE MET ALL THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF POLICY STATEMENT 17. SO THIS IS US PULLING, BRINGING IT FORWARD TO Y'ALL. THEY GOT ALL 12 SIGNATURES ON THE ROADWAY. UM, KELSEY HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY MET AND THAT THEY'RE THE PROPER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE SIGNED. UM, AS PART OF THAT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING ARE REQUIRED TO DO COST ESTIMATES FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MAINTAIN AND TO EVENTUALLY BRING UP TO COUNTY STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD BE PAVING. UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS ESTIMATES THAT THE FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR STORM WATER COST IS $20,000. AND BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES OF WHAT WE HAVE PAVED OR PAID FOR DIRT ROAD PAVING ON TOP OF A 10 YEAR, UH, INFLATION BASED ON, THAT'D PROBABLY BE ABOUT HOW LONG WE, BEFORE WE COULD GET THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1.3 MILLION FOR PAVING OF THESE TWO ROADS. UM, AND ONE THING THAT I DID NOTICE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE COST ESTIMATE WAS, UH, REGULAR GRADING OF THE DIRT ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE ALSO. UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS MYSELF OR KELSEY ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. UM, I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT IS HOW LONG HAS THIS PRIVATE ROAD BEEN THERE? OBVIOUSLY IT WAS CREATED BY SOMEBODY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT'S BEEN A PRIVATE ROAD WITH THOSE HOMES ALONG IT? I DON'T KNOW. I CAN, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I REMEMBER BEING THERE SINCE I WAS A KID, BUT I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHEN IT WAS CLEARED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'LL FINISH UP WITH A STATEMENT. AND AGAIN, I, I FEEL FOR THESE PEOPLE, I REALLY DO. AND, AND, BUT THE THING IS WE'VE GOT PRIVATE ROADS ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND I START LOOKING AT BLUFFTON HAS MILES AND MILES AND MILES OF PRIVATE ROADS THAT THOSE PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO BRING THEM INTO THE COUNTY. UM, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. MY NEIGHBORHOOD HERITAGE LAKES PERFECT EXAMPLE, THAT WAS BUILT TO COUNTY STANDARDS AND THEY ACTUALLY TESTED 'EM BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT BACK 20 YEARS AGO, UH, WITH THE ASSUMPTION OR THOUGHT THAT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD BECOME A, A COUNTY ROAD AND THEN JUST TURN IT OVER. UM, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE IN, YOU KNOW, HARRY LAKES FERN LAKES, LAKELAND AND, UM, PINE CREST, THE PINE CREST, THE FARM, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE. SO AGAIN, I I, I FEEL FOR THESE FOLKS, AND AGAIN, YOU SAID THERE'S ONLY 12, I THINK YOU SAID ON THIS ROAD, BUT I WOULD NOT, THAT'S HOW MANY SIGNATURES WE HAD. YES. I'M STILL NOT IN SUPPORT OF US ACCEPTING ANY PRIVATE ROADS, UM, FOR OUR COST, UM, TO, TO TO SPEND, UM, MONEY LATER ON. COMMENTS, I, I CONCUR WITH LARRY. UM, BRIAN, MARK, I'M SORRY, I KEEP CALLING. THAT'S . SORRY, MINE IS MY, MINE IS BLANK. UH, POLICY EXCITED ABOUT THIS LIBRARY. POLICY 15 AND 17 IS BEING APPLIED TO THIS, UH, PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH. POLICY 17 IS THE ONE THAT GOES A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE DETAIL ABOUT A PETITION NEEDING A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND SO YEAH, THEY'RE FOLLOWING POLICY STATE STATEMENT 17 AND HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE TO BRING IT FORWARD. SO, SO ARE WE APPLYING POLICY 15 AS WELL? BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, POLICY 15 UH, REQUIRES THAT THERE HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE SIX HOMES. I THINK YES. POLICY, POLICY 15. STATEMENT 15 WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE. AND THEN POLICY STATEMENT 17 WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION TO IT. SO YES, THEY'RE FOLLOWING BOTH 15 AND 17. I HAVE 12 HOMES ON THESE TWO ROADS. YES. AND, UH, WHAT ARE WE BEING ASKED TO DO? ARE WE JUST BEING ASKED TO BRING IT INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM OR ARE WE BEING ASKED TO BRING IT INTO THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM AND PAVE IT? ALSO, WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE, I MEAN, THE GENERAL REQUEST IS TO BRING IT INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT I THINK GOING BY WHAT PREVIOUS DIRECTION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY PAVE OR IMPROVE ALL COUNTIES OWE WITH THE FACT THAT THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS IF WE HAD FULL RIGHT OF WAY WOULD TO ULTIMATELY BE TO PAVE IT OR IMPROVE IT. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. SO, GO AHEAD. OH, GO AHEAD. I WAS GIVING DAVID, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE ROADS IN THE COUNTY, [01:00:01] UM, THAT WE, THE COUNTY, UM, OUR POLICY DOESN'T ALLOW US TO SERVICE THEM. UH, I HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE ROADS IN MY DISTRICT, UM, THAT, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING THAT WE JUST GRADE THE ROAD AND BECAUSE OF THE POLICY, WE, THE COUNTY, WE CAN'T EVEN RENDER THAT SERVICE TO THEM. UM, I'M, I'M, I'M AS WELL, I, UM, I, I I I WON'T SUPPORT BRINGING THIS ROAD INTO THE COUNTY CHAIR. OH, THAT'S RIGHT, . YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OUT THE GATE OPPOSED TO THIS, BUT, UH, A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, HAVE ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAD ISSUES GETTING DOWN THERE TO, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, KELSEY. I HAVE NOT, I'VE NOT BEEN MADE AWARE OF. OKAY. MY HUSBAND'S MAINTAINING IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BEING OLD. I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION OF IT RIGHT NOW FOR ME? LIKE IS THERE IMMEDIATE ACTION IF WE WERE TO BRING IT IN? I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO GO LOOK AT IT. OUR PUBLIC'S WORK, OUR PUBLIC WORKS MAINTAINS IT AND THEY WENT AND LOOKED AT IT. UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, GO BE DONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'D BE CLEARING TREES OR GRADING IT OR WHAT THAT WOULD BE. OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, IS THERE ANY, AND IT LOOKED LIKE KIND OF A DEAD END ROAD, BUT IS THERE ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT TO IT? UH, DOES IT CONNECT TO ANYTHING THAT THAT'S COUNTY OWNED OR ANYTHING TO? I BELIEVE IT JUST GOES BACK AND TEES OFF ACCORDING TO, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I LOOK LIKE IN THE MAP. AND THIS COMES OFF OF ONE 70 RIGHT THERE IN OAK D SO THANK YOU CHAIR. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, IT MAY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT WHO PAYS FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE ALL DOING ON THESE ROADS NOW? WE DO. YOU DO, DO YOU GUYS PAY STORM ORDER FEES AT ALL AND WROTE ALL THE TAX, HOW THEY PAY TAXES FOR THIS, RIGHT? OR DO WE COME UP WITH A MAYBE A NUMBER THAT WE GIVE BACK SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU WOULD ASK. YEAH. WELL, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO, I CAN'T SPEAK, SO CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ROADWAY OR TO THE STORM WATER FEE, BUT FOR THE ROADWAY, UH, WE, OUR DIRT ROAD PAVING COMES OUT OF OUR TAG FUND, WHICH COMES FROM YOUR VEHICLE REGISTRATION, YOUR REGISTRATION, YOUR PROPERTY TAX EVERY YEAR. AND $20 OF THAT GOES TOWARDS OUR TAG FUND, WHICH IS ROADS, WHICH IS NOT JUST, UH, NOT JUST DIRT ROADS. THAT GOES FOR MAINTENANCE COSTS PAVING AND ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. SO, UM, I WOULD GUESS THE MAJORITY OF THE SYSTEM AROUND HERE IS OWNED BY THE DOT WITH THE COUNTY OWNING SOME. SO THERE ARE OTHER STATE AND PUBLIC ROADS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING ANYWHERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY DRIVING ON THAT, THAT MONEY'S GOING TO SO, AND STORMWATER FEES. UM, WHAT DO WE DO IN THAT STRETCH OF ROAD FOR STORMWATER WORK RIGHT NOW? I THINK DEREK CAN TALK TO STORM WATER. YEAH, GOOD. JUST SOME, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE OWN ANY PARTICULAR EASEMENTS OR ASSETS IN THAT AREA. UH, ONE 70 IS OBVIOUSLY ONE, UH, S-C-D-O-T OWNED. YES, SIR. BUT EVERYBODY PAYS STORM WATER BASED OFF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA AND THEN WE PUT THAT THROUGH BMPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. UM, SO NOT EVERY YARD OR EVERY HOUSEHOLD HAS A DIRECT DITCH THAT WE MAINTAIN, BUT WE, WE LOOK AT THE, THE OVERALL SYSTEM AND THE QUALITY THAT'S DRAINING INTO OUR RIVERS AND THAT'S HOW STORMWATER FEEDS IMPLEMENTED. I, I LIKE IT. IS IT ABOUT TIME, MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE COLLECT THESE FEES THAT IF WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING BACK IN PARTICULAR, LIKE FOR THIS STRETCH OF ROAD, WE REFUND THAT MONEY. I MEAN, I DON'T MIND COLLECTING MONEY. WE ALL HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THAT MONEY THERE AND WE'RE COMING UP WITH GOOD JUSTIFIABLE REASONS, MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE HELP THAT WOULD HELP THEM TAKE CARE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. WELL, STORMWATER FEES, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER FEE THAT WE DO AROUND THE COUNTY OR TAX THAT WE COLLECT, PEOPLE PAY TAXES. UM, AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT PAY SCHOOL TAXES THAT DON'T HAVE SCHOOL CHILDREN OR THERE'S DIFFERENT FEES THAT GO INTO THE, THE GREATER GOOD THAT WE SERVE. NOT EVERY HOME WILL SEE, UH, UM, ASSET ATTACHED TO THAT FEE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. LIKE WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THE DITCH, UM, ON ONE 70 NOR THE DITCH IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT USING THE STORMWATER FEES FOR REGIONAL PURPOSES, RATHER THINK SURE. I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE IT'S TIME WE LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. THEY'RE HERE ASKING FOR HELP. HOW CAN WE HELP 'EM? LET'S LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MAYBE MR. GLOVERS FIRST MAY. COULD I THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I, I DO HAVE, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE DIRT ROADS ON ST. HELENA AND LADIES ISLAND. UM, SO IF WE, IF WE, IF WE BRING IN, UM, THIS PROPERTY HERE, UM, THEN YOU SUBJECT [01:05:01] TO OTHER PRIVATE ROADS THAT MAY WANT TO COME IN AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PRIVATE ROADS COMING IN. WE DO HAVE A POLICY. THE QUESTION IS CAN WE REVISIT THAT POLICY THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRIVATE ROADS THAT WANT TO CONVERT THAT TO DIRT ROADS? I DO KNOW THAT THE CTC PREFER US NOT TO BRING IN, UH, ANY MORE DIRT ROADS. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE INHERIT WHAT'S THERE AND UM, THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE AND THEY WANT TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD. AND IF WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT, I PREFER DOING THAT. EVEN IF WE BROUGHT 'EM IN WITH A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S FOR DISCUSSION AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DOING IT FOR THIS PERSON AND NOT FOR THAT PERSON. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A POLICY THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IF WE ARE NOT GONNA BRING THEM IN, THEN WE ARE NOT GONNA BRING THEM IN. BUT NO, THIS IS HERE THOUGH. I'M THROUGH. THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO IF WE NEED TO REVISIT THE POLICY. JOE. YES. UM, UH, I AM WILLING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST READING, THE SECOND READING AND THEN PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE THIRD READING WILL GIVE US ALL THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED. BUT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AS BRIAN SAID, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND EVALUATE THE ROAD CONDITIONS AS THEY EXIST. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, HOW WIDE DOES THAT ROAD, DOES IT MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE TO PAVE THAT ROAD? NUMBER THREE, WOULD WE HAVE TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ROAD FOR DRAINAGE, CURB CUTS, WHATEVER, BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSES ON THAT ROAD. NUMBER FOUR, UH, WHAT WILL WE HAVE TO DO IN THE WAY OF MAINTAINING THAT ROAD IN PER IN PERPETUITY? SO ONCE I HAVE ALL OF THOSE ANSWERS, I CAN HAVE THE PROPER DECISION MADE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL DO THIS. AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE PROBABLY A COUPLE OF READINGS. OKAY. AND THEN I'LL, SO, UH, MR. GLOVER MADE A REALLY GREAT POINT THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS OR WHATEVER, WE'VE TURNED DOWN TWO REQUESTS TO TAKE IN PRIVATE ROADS, CORRECT. AND ON THIS VERY POINT. AND SO I'M NOT WILLING TO OPEN THAT DOOR, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOAS WITH PRIVATE ROADS WHO WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU THEIR OLD ROADS TO REPAY FIX AND SO ON. BUT WE'VE DONE AT LEAST TWO, MAYBE THREE THAT WE'VE TURNED DOWN, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. HIS POINT WAS WELL TAKEN. ALRIGHT, JUST TO FINALIZE THE LAST PART HERE, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE A ROLL CALL NO MATTER WHAT. IT STILL GOES TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE. SO IT JUST GOES WITH A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. BUT IT IS STATE ORDINANCE THAT WE CANNOT WORK ON IT IF WE DO NOT OWN IT. SO THAT PART IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. SO SAYING THAT THERE, WE COULD DO THIS OR WE COULD DO THAT, UNLESS WE TAKE THIS ROAD IN BY LAW, WE CANNOT WORK ON THIS ROAD. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE SAYING NOW THEY'RE NOT TAKING ANY MORE ROADS. WE ALREADY HAVE MR. DAWSON'S BEEN FIGHTING HIM FOR YEARS, TRYING TO GET THE DIRT ROADS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE COUNTY PAVED, AND WE CAN'T EVEN FUND THOSE CURRENTLY OR MAINTAIN THEM PROPERLY. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE, THAT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE FOR THE, THE REFERENDUM IN 2026. SO THAT DISCUSSION, IT SOUNDS GREAT HAVING UP HERE, BUT WE DON'T OVERRIDE STATE LAW. AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE FACT OF THE MATTER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP WITH THE STATE, NOT THE COUNTY ON THAT SIDE. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS PROBABLY A HUNDRED TO 150 MILES WORTH OF ROAD IN BLUFFTON THAT THEY WOULD LOVE FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE IT OVER. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTION, WE WILL CALL THE QUESTION. AND IF SARAH, I COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER LAWSON. MARK LAWSON? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER PASSMAN? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER GLOVER? UH, YES. COUNCIL MEMBER? DAWSON. DAWSON. OH, CHAIR HOWARD, YOU DIDN'T HEAR WHAT HE SAID? NO. NO. YOU HEARD THAT? YES. OKAY. CHAIR HOWARD? NO. VICE CHAIR. TABER? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER RES? NO. COMMITTEE. VICE CHAIR. BARTHOLOMEW? [01:10:01] YES. COMMITTEE CHAIR CUNNINGHAM? NO. THE MOTION FAILS. SEVEN THREE. ALRIGHT, THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD TO OUR NEXT COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING FOR FULL, FULL COUNSEL TO DISCUSS AS WELL. UM, WITH THAT SAID, IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, BRIAN, MAKE YOUR SPEND THE AFTERNOON WITH US. JUST QUICKLY, UM, GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, UM, IS STAFF PREPARED TO BRING FORWARD SOME OTHER, UM, CONSIDERATION OR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ISSUE HERE? JUST WONDERING. UM, THE POLICY SAYS THIS, THE POLICY SAYS THAT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I WANT TO BE VERY OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO IMPROVE THEIR ROAD. I GOT A LOT OF DIRT ROADS. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. THAT SAID, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I KNOW, I KNOW. WE ALL GOT ROAD, WE, YEAH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.