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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS A CALL TO ORDER FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING ON, UH, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND.UM, COULD I GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN.
AND JOE PAUL HERE, VICE CHAIR CARDI FRAZIER.
COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER HERE.
COMMISSIONER MICHAEL SUTCLIFFE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSIONS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE.9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION NUMBERS.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 5TH, 2026.DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MINUTES OR A MOTION MOVE TO ACCEPT SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ADOPTING THE MINUTES.
THE, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
[VII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness (36 Bruin Road): A request by James Atkins of Court Atkins Group (Applicant) on behalf of ABPAL LLC (Owner) for an amended Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to add an elevator shaft within a chimney structure and make related alterations for a commercial building under construction of approximately 3,130 SF at 36 Bruin Road in Old Town Bluffton Historic District within the Neighborhood General - HD zoning district. (COFA-05-25-019766) (Staff – Charlotte Moore)]
UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST BY JAMES ATKINS, CORE ATKINS GROUP ON BEHALF OF A-B-P-A-L-L-L-C.UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN AMENDED KOFA.
THIS WILL BE THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS TO ADD AN ELEVATOR SHAFT WITHIN A CHIMNEY STRUCTURE AND TO MAKE RELATED ALTERATIONS TO A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT 36 BRUIN ROAD.
UH, IT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF PRITCHARD AND BRUIN.
IT IS, UH, ON A LOT THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED FROM THE, THE CORD ATKINS OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THIS IS THE APPROVED COFA THAT YOU SEE FROM AUGUST, 2025.
UM, FOCUSING ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S A, UH, TWO STORY PORCH THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, THAT INCLUDED SOME, UH, HVAC EQUIPMENT IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH WHEN THE, UH, RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THE TENANT WAS IDENTIFIED TO BE A RESTAURANT, AND SO THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME, UH, REARRANGEMENT OF HVAC EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT WILL, UH, PARTIALLY BE ON TOP OF THE ROOF AS WELL AS A VENT.
SO THAT SCREENED, UH, AREA WAS ADDED AND APPROVED BACK IN JANUARY.
AND FOR THIS CURRENT AMENDMENT, UM, IT'S REGARDING A SECOND FLOOR TENANT WHO REQUIRES AN ELEVATOR.
UM, THIS IS, UH, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN TODAY.
THIS IS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS IS WHERE THE PORCH, UH, WILL BE LOCATED.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE, UM, THIS PROCESS TO, UM, BE DETERMINED BEFORE THEY ADD THAT PORCH ON HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW FROM
THIS IS THE BACK, UM, OF THE BUILDING.
AND HERE'S THE, UH, THE EX CHIMNEY STRUCTURE THAT I MENTIONED.
AGAIN, THAT SECOND FLOOR TENANT DOES REQUIRE, UH, AN ELEVATOR TO ACCESS THAT, UH, SPACE.
AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED THE BEST LOCATION FOR IT BEING ON THE REAR OF THE PORCH, UM, WITHIN AN ELEVATOR SHAFT IN ORDER TO DISGUISE IT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO THE, UM, THE PORCH AS WELL.
THE, THE STAIRS WILL HAVE TO BE RELOCATED TO THIS AREA.
THEY WERE PRESENT, THEY WERE, UH, APPROVED TO BE, UM, WITHIN, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTO OF THAT.
THEY WERE APPROVED TO BE AT ANOTHER LOCATION, AND BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT BEING ADDED, THE SERVICE AREA WILL BE RELOCATED TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT VIEW OF BRUIN WITH THE ELEVATOR, UM, WITH THE EDITION.
AND HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE VISIBLE FROM BRUIN.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE RELOCATED SERVICE YARD, WHICH WILL BE SCREENED.
HERE'S THE LEFT ELEVATION AGAIN, THAT AMENDMENT FROM JANUARY WITH THE SCREENED, UH, EQUIPMENT AT THE TOP.
SO OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE BEING MADE AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, EX CHIMNEY ADDITION IS THAT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN THAT'S RELATED TO THE SPACING
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OF THE COLUMNS.UH, THERE WILL BE A FREEZER LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PORCH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE SCREENED.
WE MAY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE.
THIS MIGHT BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE SCREENING WALL.
UM, MAYBE WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THE SCREENING OF THE, UH, HVAC EQUIPMENT IN THIS AREA.
SO THERE WILL BE NO EQUIPMENT UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS.
UM, THAT'S A FIRE CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO JUST POINTING THAT OUT HERE IS, UH, THE VIEW FROM THE RIGHT ELEVATION.
PREVIOUSLY, THE STAIRS WOULD'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA HERE.
THEY HAVE BEEN RELOCATED TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND AGAIN, THAT EXTRA COLUMN, UH, IS BEING ADDED.
AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE, UH, A FREEZER LOCATED IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS A, A NEW DOOR OPENING, UM, THAT'S BEING ADDED AS WELL TO ACCESS THE FREEZER.
THIS IS THE ELEVATOR HERE WITHIN THAT CHIMNEY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE STAIRS THAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED.
AND THERE WILL BE NO HVAC EQUIPMENT ON THE, THE PORCH, THE ROOF PLAN.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, CONDENSER THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF.
UM, THERE WILL BE A RECESSED AREA WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE THAT WAS CALLED OUT.
AND THEN A, A DOUBLE BISHOP'S CAP IS PROPOSED AT THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY.
HERE ARE THE FIVE REVIEW CRITERIA, AND THEY ARE BEING MET.
IF, UH, NUMBER THREE, IF THE HPC MAKES A DETERMINATION THAT THE CHIMNEY STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE, THEN IT WILL BE, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR REVIEW CRITERIA.
THE STAFF FINDS THAT, UH, THE UDO CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET WITH THIS, UH, SECOND AMENDMENT, AND THAT A DETERMINATION REGARDING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE EX CHIMNEY STRUCTURE IS NEEDED, UM, UH, THIS EVENING.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
SO THE ACTIONS TONIGHT ON, UH, THE HPCS PART IS EITHER TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE APPLICATION CONDITIONS, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND HERE IS A SUGGESTED MOTION, UH, SOLELY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE ELEVATOR SHAFT, UH, IS APPROPRIATE.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS, THEY WILL NEED TO BE ASKED.
AND WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
MAYBE I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR STAFF.
UM, AT HPRC, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE WORDING.
THE COMPANY NAME IS SPELLED BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS AND THEY WERE GONNA CHANGE IT.
BUT I SEE ON THESE PLANS, IT'S STILL LAP.
UH, AND ON THE OTHER DRAWING, IT'S AB I, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN THAT.
AND THERE WAS A REASONING FOR THAT, BUT IT'S, BUT YOU JUST NEEDED IT FOR AS LONG AS STAFF IS OKAY.
AND THEN I COULDN'T TELL IF THAT UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS WAS OPEN, BUT THERE WERE UTIL YOU KNOW, WITH THE WHOLE IDEA OF KEEPING IT OPEN FOR UTILITY COMPANIES.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID IT WON'T BE UNDER THE PORCH, BUT DOES THAT MATTER? THAT, UM, SERVICE YARD, THE, LEMME GO TO THAT, THAT ONE.
UM, SO YEAH, THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T A VERY GOOD VIEW.
IT ACTUALLY, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, THE, THE FENCE IS ACTUALLY FARTHER OUT FROM THE, THE STAIRS.
BUT JUST TO NOTE THAT ANYTHING UNDERNEATH THOSE STAIRS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
THAT, THAT PICTURE IS CONFUSING.
I'M JUST THINKING FOR YOUR INSPECTOR TOWARD THE END, BECAUSE YOU SEE THE STEPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
'CAUSE I'D HATE FOR SOMEONE TO NOT PASS THEM.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FULLY UNDER THE STAIRS.
AND IT DOES SHOW IN THAT OTHER RENDERING, IT STICKS OUT.
UH, JUST MORE OF A THINKING AHEAD.
THE, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? GOOD EVENING.
JAMES ATKINS WITH COURT ATKINS GROUP.
I THINK THAT, UH, MOORE DID A GREAT JOB WALKING THROUGH IT.
APPRECIATED THE COMMENTS FROM THE HPRC.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T SEE IT PREVIOUSLY, WE SHRUNK THE SERVICE YARD DOWN TO MINIMAL SIZE.
WE NARROWED THE, UM, OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE, UH, CHIMNEY.
UH, WE CHANGED THE, UM, CAP TO A DOUBLE BISHOP'S CAP, WHICH KIND OF ALIGNED WITH PROPORTIONS, UH, OF SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE UDO.
UH, AND THEN WE ADDED A SMALL PLANTER BASE AT THE BOTTOM JUST TO KIND
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OF GROUND IT AND, UM, KIND OF REDUCE SOME OF THE HEIGHT THERE.UH, THE SECOND COLUMNS WERE ADDED TO PUSH THE KIND OF ELEVATOR INTO THE PORCH SO THAT THE PROPORTIONS THAT YOU SEE OUTSIDE THE PORCH ARE THAT OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR A CHIMNEY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A TENANT FOR THE SECOND FLOOR AND WE HAVE A POTENTIAL AND THEY WOULD LIKE AN ELEVATOR, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
WHY WASN'T THE ELEVATOR A CONSIDERATION WHEN IT FIRST, WHEN THE PLANS FIRST BECAME US, UH, FOR US, IT WASN'T NEEDED FOR, UM, BUILDING CODES AND IT'S A SIX FIGURE NUMBER.
UM, AND SO IT WASN'T INCORPORATED 'CAUSE IT WASN'T REQUIRED.
UM, WE ENDED UP LEASING OUT THE GROUND FLOOR.
UM, SO THEY KIND OF APPROVED THAT THIS TENANT CAME ALONG, UM, LIKES THE SPACE, WOULD LIKE TO LEASE.
IT ASKED WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF ADDING AN ELEVATOR WERE, WHICH WE KIND OF SCRATCHED OUR HEAD.
WE LOOKED AT KIND OF INCORP TRYING TO INCORPORATE IT INSIDE.
BUT OUR FOOTPRINT IS KIND OF MAXED OUT.
UM, AND, UH, WE'RE AT A LEASE FOR THE, UH, RESTAURANT.
AND SO WE, UH, TOOK A PLAYBOOK OUT OF SOME OTHER CREATIVE SOLUTIONS, UH, IN THE OLD TOWN OF PUTTING WALK-INS INTO GARDEN SHEDS AND, UH, UH, EXHAUST HOODS INTO CHIMNEY STRUCTURES AND, AND TRIED TO, UH, SCALE THIS TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD KIND OF BE APPROPRIATE FOR A PORCH.
SO THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE PART OF THE RESTAURANT? RIGHT.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPANY RENTING THE UPSTAIRS OR WOULD LIKE TO RENT THE UPSTAIRS.
IS IT, WILL IT ALSO BE A FOOD SPACE UPSTAIRS? NO, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A NONPROFIT FIVE ONE C SEVEN COPY.
THE RESTAURANT HOPEFULLY IS A FOR-PROFIT.
SO
WELL, HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THE TABBY LOOK'S PRETTY STANDARD AROUND HERE.
OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A CHIMNEY, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A CHIMNEY BECAUSE IT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN A CHIMNEY.
I GUESS I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS SOME DESIGN TO IT.
IT'S BIG WHITE THING STUCK ON THE BACK.
THERE'S SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES IN IT, IN IT.
IS IT, THIS WHAT I'M SEEING ON HERE? YES, THERE'S SOME, UM, LIKE LITTLE ROWS, UH, EDGES AND I MEAN, IT IS NOT JUST LIKE STRAIGHT FLAT TO BE EVERYTHING.
I THINK WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS AT HPRC, UM, IT HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE CURVE AND SHAPE TO THE KIND OF THE LEFT SIDE WHERE IT JUST KIND OF SLANTS OVER NOW.
UM, THAT MADE A LOT MORE SENSE WITH THE STUCCO.
IT IS KIND OF, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S STUCCO AND IT IS AN ADDITIONAL MATERIAL AT THIS POINT TO THE BRICK AND SIDING AND PANELING.
I, I'LL ADD WITH THAT, THE HPRC, THE FIRST WAS DIDN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A JIMMY.
NOT JUST, IT LOOKED, YOU JUST WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN IT WAS A JIMMY.
IT REALLY WENT KIND OF WONKY AND I THOUGHT IT NEEDED TO LOOK LIKE A CHIMNEY.
SO ONE OF THE GUYS MENTIONED THE CHIMNEY CAPS BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS THERE.
SO IT, I GUESS I'M GONNA SEND YOU, IS THAT THE WIDTH? DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WIDTH? BECAUSE IF YOU WASN'T THAT WIDTH, YOU SEE ELEVATOR STUFF, THAT'S THE, THE MINIMUM.
DO YOU SEE ELEVATOR, LIKE IT'S MASONRY RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE THREE APPROVED MATERIALS AND YOU DO A BRICK TAVI OR STUCCO AND YOU KNOW, ADDING ANOTHER FOOT TO IT FOR THE BRICK SEEMED TO BE COUNTERINTUITIVE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S STUCCO CHIMNEYS AND THROUGHOUT, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE CONSIDERATION IF WE ASKED THEM TO MAKE IT BRICK.
THE BRICKS CONSIDERABLY THICKER THAN THE STUCCO APPLICATION.
SO THE WHOLE CHIMNEY FIRE PLAYER, THE WHOLE ELEVATOR SHAFT GETS LARGER BY A FOOT.
YEAH, I, I GUESS IT'S JUST LIKE I, IF IT'S NOT A CHIMNEY, WHY MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CHIMNEY? BUT, WELL, AGAIN, TRYING TO TAKE CLUES FROM ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE UDO CHIMNEY SEEM TO BE, UM, A AGAIN, UH, TRYING TO USE ARCHITECTURE TO WORK COMMERCIAL THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY PREVALENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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THE ELEVATOR KIND OF IN AGAINST THE OUTSIDE WALL OF THE CONDITIONED SPACE, THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON EXACTLY BACK THERE.OR AS FAR AS, UH, KITCHEN ACCESS AND DELIVERIES AND, UH, AND THEN UPSTAIRS AND NOT HAVING TO MOVE OTHER WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAD THE PORCH ELEMENT, UH, WE BURIED IT INTO THE PORCH.
UH, IT'S OFF OF THE SIDEWALK, IT'S NEAR THE, UM, PARKING.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE, SEEMED TO BE A, A CREATIVE SOLUTION TO SOLVE THE CHALLENGE.
FOLLOW UP ON THAT, MAYBE TWO QUESTIONS GO THROUGH.
'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY HARD WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT, THE YELLOW DOESN'T MAKE US FEEL, DOESN'T MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
BUT CAN YOU KIND OF DRAW A PICTURE OF, ARE THESE DARKER LINES, LIKE AT THE TOP, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, AT THE BOTTOM? ARE THOSE ARCHITECTURAL, ARE THOSE ACTUAL, ARE THOSE PART OF A PLAN? AND THEN DID YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT WAS THE LANDSCAPE AROUND THAT TO REALLY MAYBE FOR SOME OF THAT BOTTOM FOUR FEET? THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY PUT THE LITTLE TWO FOOT HIGH PLANTER THERE TO KIND OF GROUND THAT.
SO THAT JUST GETS THAT LANDSCAPING UP EVEN HIGHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS AN EVERGREEN, UM, AGAIN, BASED UPON THE HPRC COMMENTS, WE NARROWED IT, WE GOT RID OF THE CURVE, WENT WITH A MORE TRADITIONAL SLOPED SIDE, UH, INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THE RECESS, ADDED A, A BAND AND A LITTLE BIT MORE PROJECTION ON THE TOP THAT YOU WOULD SEE.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THESE COUPLE CHIMNEYS THAT ARE IN THE UDO.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE THROW ON THE, ON THE TOP THERE, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY TRADITIONAL AND THEN YOU WOULD EXPECT SOME, SOME BANDING AND THINGS ON SOME OF THESE PIECES.
IT WAS, IT'S A BAND JUST A, I COULDN'T TELL CALLED OUT ON THE DRAWING THAT SHE HAD, SHE A COUPLE TRIM PIECES AND I COULDN'T READ IT.
WE ALSO, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A, A SPARK ARRESTER AND THE METAL FLU IN THIS THING, WHICH ARE OTHER MECHANICAL THINGS THAT WE OFTEN TRY TO HIDE, UH, THAT AREN'T REAL AND AUTHENTIC TO HISTORIC HOMES.
UM, WE TALKED WITH, UM, MS. MOORE AND, AND GLEN ABOUT KIND OF ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO AN OLD SCHOOL, MORE TRADITIONAL BISHOP'S CAP.
SO, 'CAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SPARK OR RESTER TO HIDE INSIDE THAT THING.
SO, UM, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THOSE PROPORTIONS AND I THINK IT'S A BETTER SOLUTION THAN THE TWO CHIMNEY POTS THAT WE HAD FOR THE ONE CHIMNEY POT AT HPRC.
OTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION? UM, I, I HAVE ONE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT DRAWING RIGHT NOW.
THE, THE REASON YOU ADDED THE JAM TRIM ON THAT THING IS OPPOSED JUST TO HAVING JUST A HEADER AND A SILL LIKE YOU DO FOR ALL THE BREAKOUT BECAUSE I CONSIDER IT'S KIND OF A HEAVY ELEMENT, WHICH A PRETTY HELMET RIGHT THERE, A REASON TO ADD THAT JAM TRIM.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST ONE, IT SEEMS ALMOST FOREIGN TO YOUR HEAVY ELEMENTS OR YOUR OTHER, LIKE I SAID, BASICALLY AS A HATER IN THE CELL.
JUST BASED UPON THE THOUGHTS OF KIND OF MAKING THAT THING STAND OUT MORE AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UM, TO IT JUST TO STAND OUT.
UM, WE ADDED THE JAM, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE PROPORTIONS ON THE, THE WINDOWS.
BUT, UH, I COULD, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO NOT DO THE JAM IF THAT'S, YEAH.
I MEAN I CONSIDER THAT MORE OF ONE OF YOUR HEAVY MASS ELEMENTS THAT IT MATCH MORE OF YOUR BRICK YEP.
I THINK, UH, IT HELP THAT OUT.
THE, UH, NARRATIVE SAID THAT THE STUCCO RECESS WAS AN INCH AND A HALF WITH THAT INCH STUCCO TRIM.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THE FRAMING IN THAT LITTLE WINDOW COULDN'T CHANGE UP TO GIVE YOUR LIKE A MORE OF LIKE A TWO INCH RECESS THERE, GO FROM SIX INCH STUDS TO FOUR INCH STUDS IN THAT WINDOW? YEAH, I THINK THAT COMBINED WITH KINDA JUST GOING TO THE HEADER OR THE LENTIL AND SILL WOULD BE NICE.
WHEN YOU SIX TABBY TABBY AND STUCCO ME ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT WHEN JIM ASKED, THIS IS A TABBY TABCO, TABBY STUCCO, I MEAN, BUT IT'S THE SHELL.
I MEAN, TECHNICALLY BY THE UDO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH APPROVED, BUT, SO IF THERE'S A A, A PREFERENCE THERE, IF THE TABBY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BRICK AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SMOOTH.
AND SO IF WE, A REGULAR FINISHED STUCCO PROBABLY IS GONNA JUST BE MORE TAME.
BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THE TABBY IS A TRADITIONAL MATERIAL.
BOTH OF THEM ARE ALLOWED BRICK, TABBY AND STUCCO.
SO, UM, WHATEVER IT IS THE PREFERENCE TO US, IT'S JUST, SO WHATEVER YOUR PLANS SAY SOMEBODY, IT'S JUST TABBY.
IT'S SAYS STUCCO, IT SAYS TABBY THERE.
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YEAH.IT DOESN'T SAY YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY PUT THE YEAH, THE TABBY ON THE, ON THE BANDS.
SO IS THE BUILDING GRAY AND THEN THE TABBY QUOTE UNQUOTE CHIMNEY IS GONNA BE WHITE AGAINST IT? RIGHT.
IT'S A FAIRLY LIGHT WHITE COLOR.
THERE ARE SOME KIND OF GREEN ACCENTS AND STUFF FROM THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, SO IT'S ALL MONOCHROMATIC.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND DISCUSSION RIGHT HERE, A MOTION.
AND AS I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS TIM AND JOE HAD POTENTIALLY, UM, I GUESS MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE COFA HD APPLICATION, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
RECESS, THE TWO INCH RESET, I ADDED TWO INCH RECESS.
AND TO REMOVE THE JAM TRIM FROM THE BACK OF THE CHIMNEY, FROM THE BACK OF THE CHIMNEY.
AND YOU ALSO IN YOUR MOTION NEED TO INCLUDE THE DETERMINATION.
UH, WITH THE DETERMINATION THE ELEVATOR SHAFT WITHIN THE CHIMNEY STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.
BEFORE YOU, WAS THERE A SECOND CONDITION? THOSE TWO.
AND THEN THE, UM, REMOVE THE JAM TRIM.
AND DO WE WANT THEM TO SPECIFY THAT IT'S TAVI ON THE, IT WAS CLEARER ON IT.
I DID, I JUST SAW STUCCO SO MANY TIMES.
IT, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THE ARROW TO JUST THE BAND PART, BUT THE REST OF IT HAD
SO IN THAT ONE NOTE, UM, SHOULD WE CLARIFY THAT IT'S TAB OR DO YOU THINK THAT IT SAID STUCCO ON A COUPLE THINGS THAT SAID
AND WE HAD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HUSS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A AYE, ANY OPPOSED ME? NO ONE OPPOSED? UH, THE, UH, MOTION HAS PASSED, UH, WITH APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
[VIII.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]
ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM.THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.
WE'VE HAD, UH, FIVE ITEMS HAS PASSED.
MONTH SITE FEATURES, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE SIGNS.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, PORCH REPAIRS AND THEN THE ADDITION OF, UM, SOME EYEBROW ROOFS OVER, UM, SOME ENTRYWAYS AT 36TH WHARF STREET THAT IS FIT WITH THE SITE FEATURES.
UH, I DO WANNA ADD THAT ON OCTOBER 6TH WE WILL HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.
UH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILS.
I DO HOPE THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
UH, PROBABLY WILL START AROUND FIVE 30 OR SIX.
AGAIN, I'M, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.
UM, AND AS I KNOW MORE, I, I WILL LET YOU KNOW.
BUT THE DATE WAS THE DATE, OCTOBER, OCTOBER 6TH.
AND WE WILL HAVE IN OCTOBER 7TH HPC MEETING THE DEADLINE'S NEXT WEEK.
I KNOW I HAVE ONE ITEM ON, UM, YOU ARE AWARE THAT 36 TABISH SHALL, THERE WAS A VARIANCE REQUESTED FOR THAT, WHICH WAS LAST NIGHT.
THEY DID RECEIVE, UM, THE VARIANCE TO ENCROACH FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
DID YOU GAIN ANY FEEDBACK ON THE LEGAL DETERMINATION OF THE PERCENTAGE VERSUS, UM, YEAH, WE CAN, I CAN TALK TO YOU AFTERWARDS MM-HMM
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO RETURN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THE, UH, MEETING HAS ADJOURNED.