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[VIII.1. Discussion Regarding Renaming of Certain Contributing Resources Based on 2025 Historic Resource Survey (Staff - Glen Umberger) ]
CONVERSATION.UM, JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY UPDATE.
UM, THAT DOCUMENT WAS TO IDENTIFY AND DOCUMENT ALL HISTORIC PROPERTIES WITHIN THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE REACHED THE AGE OF 40 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER.
UM, UM, THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1986, UM, AND BEFORE, UM, THIS SURVEY IS ONLY DATA.
UM, IT'S A COLLECTION OF DATA POINTS.
UM, BUT THE SURVEY DOES PROVIDE AN ACCURATE BASELINE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES AND MAY SERVE AS A GUIDE FOR FUTURE PLANNING DECISIONS.
YOU MAY ASK, WHAT'S A FUTURE PLANNING DECISION? UM, SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ABOUT NAMING HISTORIC RESOURCES, UM, WHAT THE SURVEY DATA LOOKS LIKE.
UM, IT'S PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, AND IT'S SURVEY SHEETS.
UM, THE PHOTOGRAPHS OBVIOUSLY ARE SELF-EXPLANATORY.
UM, THESE ARE PHOTOS TAKEN AT A POINT IN TIME THAT DOCUMENT THE BUILDING, UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, LAST AUTUMN.
UM, AND THEN THE SURVEY FORMS, UM, INCLUDE AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE TOP, UM, IDENTIFICATIONS.
UM, THESE INCLUDE HISTORIC NAME, UM, COMMON NAME, AND THE ADDRESS LOCATION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE THIS WILL SERVE AS A DISCUSSION OF AS WE MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT.
UM, SO WHAT'S IN THE NAME? UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ABOUT RENAMING HISTORIC RESOURCES USING HISTORIC NAMES.
UM, AND YOU MAY ASK, CALL IT, WHY ARE WE INTERESTED IN THE HISTORIC NAME? UM, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR, UM, WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATIONS, THEY'RE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT HISTORIC NAMES AND THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT.
UM, AND AS ACCORDING TO, UM, THE, UM, NATIONAL REGISTER FORM, UM, THE HISTORIC NAME IS PREFERRED FOR GENERAL REFERENCE BECAUSE IT CONTINUES TO BE MEANINGFUL REGARDLESS OF CHANGES IN OWNERSHIP OR USE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE, UM, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE DEFAULTS THE HISTORIC NAME.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO START USING HISTORIC NAME, UM, ONE FOR AVOIDING CLAR, YOU KNOW, CONFUSION IN THE FU IN THE FUTURE, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND ALSO FOR, UM, MAKING THINGS EASY, UM, FROM A DOCUMENT STANDPOINT.
UM, I'M GIVING YOU SOME, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE REASONS WHY SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THINGS WE ARE PROPOSING FOR, FOR CHANGE.
UM, SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS BUILDING, UM, I WILL BE HAPPY TO INTRODUCE IT TO YOU LATER.
UM, THIS IS CHURCH OF THE CROSS.
UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UM, THAT'S NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALLY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT IS ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THE LOCAL DISTRICT.
UM, EXHIBIT, I MEAN, EXAMPLE, ONE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE THAT WILL NOT SEE A NAME CHANGE KNOWN AS THE CON.
THE CHURCH OF THE CROSS SINCE 1854 WILL REMAIN CHURCH OF THE CROSS PROBABLY LONG AFTER WE'RE HERE.
UM, EXAMPLE ONE IS WE'RE MAKING NO RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE TO THIS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL OF THOSE, UM, IN OUR LIST THAT WE'RE NOT MET, NOT RECOMMENDING NAMES TO BE CHANGED.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE FR HOUSE.
UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE TO THE JAMES L. POPE HOUSE.
UM, JAMES L. POPE HAD THE HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1830S, UM, LIKELY WITH ENSLAVED LABOR.
UM, IT SURVIVED THE BURNING OF BLUFFTON AS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF THE POPE HOUSES.
UM, SO WE'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE NAME TO THE HISTORIC NAME, UM, TO GIVE A FULLER REPRESENTATION OF THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WON'T ALWAYS CALL IT, UM, THE FR HOUSE OR PEOPLE WON'T REFER TO THE FRI HOUSE, BUT THE FR HOUSE WOULD BE THE COMMON NAME.
UM, THE HISTORIC NAME ON THE LIST OR ON THE MAP WOULD BE THE JAMES L. POPE HOUSE.
UM, EXAMPLE THREE IS A HOUSE THAT YOU MAY RECOGNIZE, YOU MAY NOT RECOGNIZE.
UM, THIS IS THE SARAH RILEY HOOKS COTTAGE RECENTLY RECONSTRUCTED, UM, ALMOST FINISHED.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UM, NAME WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS THE SITE OF THE SARAH RILEY HOOKS COTTAGE BECAUSE THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE PREVIOUSLY WAS A BUILDING THAT IS NO LONGER EXTENT.
UM, BUT TO MAINTAIN ITS STATUS AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE NAME CHANGED TO SITE OF A SITE IS A TYPE OF A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS THE SITE OF THE SARAH O'REILLY HOOKS COTTAGE.
TO TELL THE STORY OF THE, UM, THE RILEY AND THE, UM, HOOKS FAMILIES.
UM, EXAMPLE NUMBER FOUR IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE ON THE LIST THAT WAS SIMPLY REFERRED TO AS 38 BOUNDARY STREET.
UM, IN SOME DOCUMENTS EARLY ON, IT WAS REFERRED AS 38 LAWTON STREET.
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A STREET ADDRESS AS A NAME FOR A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ADDRESS CHANGES? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE NUMBER CHANGES OR THE STREET NAME CHANGES? AND HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, BIG CITIES THROUGHOUT THE 19TH CENTURY WERE ALWAYS CHANGING THE NAMES OF AND STREET NAMES, STREET NUMBERS.UM, SO TO AVOID THAT CONFUSION, WE WANTED TO USE THE HISTORIC NAME.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO NAME SOMETHING FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, UM, YOU LOOK TO EITHER AN ORIGINAL OWNER OR AN OWNER THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT HAPPENED IN THAT HOUSE.
IN THIS CASE, WE DO KNOW THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, UM, DANIEL HASSELL JR.
UM, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, THIS RESOURCE BE NAMED, UM, FOR THE HAYWARD FAMILY THAT BUILT THE HOUSE AND FIRST OCCUPIED THE HOUSE.
UM, SO WHAT WAS THE NAME THAT YOU, DANIEL HASSELL JR.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NAME OF THE HOUSE THAT YOUR REC WHAT'S THE NAME? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
OH, THE CURRENT NAME IS 38 BOUNDARY STREET.
BUT WHAT'S THE NAME YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEY FOR? THE HAYWARD'S, FOR DANIEL HASSELL JR.
AND MARGARET HAYWARD WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED NAME FOR DANIEL HASSELL, THE MOUTHFUL.
AND SOMETIMES WITH THESE HISTORIC NAMES, THEY CAN ALWAYS BE TRUNCATED TO THINGS LIKE HAYWARD HOUSE OR HAYWARD COTTAGE OR HAYWARD ON BOUNDARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE IS THE HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION HAS REQUESTED A LIST OF CONTRIBUTIVE RESOURCES.
SO THEY CAN REPLACE THE O MARKER SIGNS THAT ARE ON SOME OF THESE HOUSES, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR NAMES CORRESPONDED WITH WHAT'S ON THE LIST.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE, FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE USING THE RIGHT NAMES, UM, SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I JOINED THE TOWN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO, I GOT VERY CONFUSED BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES WAS KNOWN AS, UM, ECCENTRICITIES.
UM, AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT STORY WAS ALL ABOUT
UM, SO HOPEFULLY MY PRE MY SUCCESSOR WOULD NOT HAVE THAT SAME, SAME ISSUE.
UM, I'VE THROWN A LOT AT YOU IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, WE WILL BE TAKING THIS TO TOWN COUNCIL, UM, TUESDAY NEXT WEEK, UM, FOR THEIR, UM, ADOPTION.
UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE BLUFFTON HISTORIC FOUNDATION, WHICH I KNOW THEY DO ALL THE SIGNS MM-HMM
UM, BUT THERE WAS THAT JUST A SNIPPET OF WHERE YOU'RE TAKING TO COUNCIL? 'CAUSE THERE'S 37 CALHOUN STREET, 40 C**K, THERE ARE A LOT OF STREET ADDRESSES ON THAT LIST.
SO WE ARE TAKING A FULL SPREADSHEET OF ALL CURRENT 86 RESOURCES WITH, UM, NAMES WE'RE MAKING.
UM, SOME NAMES WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
UM, SOME NAMES WILL CHANGE AND WE'VE, WE'VE GIVEN THEM ALL THOSE NAMES.
AND IT'LL BE, UM, THE STREET NAMES SHEET IN PARTICULAR.
I GUESS YOU USED THAT EXAMPLE.
WHENEVER THERE'S A STREET NAME ON YES LIST MM-HMM
AND I'M GUESSING THE 'CAUSE IN MY OTHER ROLE, I KNOW THAT THEY HAD SUBMITTED A LIST OF WHAT THEIR SUGGESTIONS FIRST.
SO I'M GUESSING Y'ALL ARE ALL TOGETHER.
YES, WE WAS LISTED AND COMPARED EVERYTHING WITH THE DATA FROM THE RECENT SURVEY.
AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE TWO? THERE ARE TWO ON THERE THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET OFF.
SO WE DO HAVE TWO SCRIVENER'S ERRORS THAT WE'RE HAVING REMOVED.
UM, SO ON THAT DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO COUNSEL, IT'S IN THE PACKET.
IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU CAN READ IT IN THE PACKET.
I THINK IT'S EXHIBIT 3, 1 15 BRICHARD AND THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IS NOT CORRECT.
UM, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS ATTACHMENT THREE IN THE COUNCIL PACKET WITH THE RED LINES OR EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING CHANGED.
UM, BUT UM, YES, WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA CORRECT THOSE TWO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THOSE CORRECTED TOO.
AND WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION HERE.
COUNSEL, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO COUNCIL ON YOUR OWN AND SAY, HEY, WE SUPPORT THIS.
UM, BUT AS UNDER ARTICLE TWO OF THE UDO, UM, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF SOMETHING'S GONNA BE COMING.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING IN REFORMATTING THE, THE LIST OR THE MAP TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY.
UM, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I GOT? I DO HAVE ONE MORE.
AND I, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING OUR WALKING TOUR.
I'VE TOOK THE WALKING TOUR ON OUR MAP GALLERY.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TOTALLY, I, NOW I FORGET THE NAME OF IT.
THERE ARE TWO, UM, BY THE CORDRAY HOUSE.
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HAVE A ALMOST IDENTICAL NAMES.ARE YOU LOOKING AT, AT KEEPING SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR SHOWING WHERE FOR SURE.
YOU KNOW THAT SECOND HOUSE IS RUINED STORE AND THE FIRST HOUSE IS SOMETHING.
SO IN THE, HAS BEEN OVER TAKEN TO COUNSEL ONCE IDENTIFIED AT THE HOUSE, ONE'S IDENTIFIED AT THE STORE.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK IN THE SURVEY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN WHICH ONE'S WHICH.
AND, UM, THIS WILL BE CORRECTED.
NO, THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS THOUGH.
IT'S LARGELY BASED ON KIND OF FIRST OWNERS IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT ASKING COUNCIL TO ADD ANY NEW CONSERVING RESOURCES, BUT THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY DO INDICATE THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, THIS EXERCISE IS JUST MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING, GETTING THE NAMES STRAIGHTENED OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE, UM, EVERY HAVE ALL THE OWNERS OF, UH, LIKE THE HOMES, HAVE THEY ALL APPROVED THE NAME CHANGES OR HAVE THEY BEEN APPROACHED WITH THE NAME CHANGES? MOST OF THEM HAVE.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GLARINGLY DIFFERENT, WE MADE SURE THAT WE GOT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
UM, IN MOST INSTANCES IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S, EVERYONE'S FINE.
YOU SAID, YOU SAID MOST, THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE NOT.
THERE'S SOME THAT I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY REACHED OUT.
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT MY, I DON'T WANT OUR PLACE CHANGED OR RIGHT.
AND, AND IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON NAME CAN STILL BE USED AS THE COMMON NAME.
UM, THIS IS MORE OF A ON THE LIST.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW THE JAMES L. POPE HOUSE, COMMON NAME IS FRI HOUSE.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA CALL IT THE FRI HOUSE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY KNOW IT BY.
AND THEN WILL ALL THE SIGNS, IT MIGHT BE OUT OF OUR WORLD, BUT WILL ALL THE SIGNS BE CHANGED TO BE UNIFORM OR IS THE LEFT IN HISTORIC FOUNDATION JUST DUPLICATING? THEY'RE JUST REPLACING THESE SIGNS WITH THE RIGHT NAMES ALSO.
SO THAT'S A HISTORIC LOFTON FOUNDATION TASK.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LETTER ISSUE OR LIKE, I ONLY HAVE 10 CHARACTERS.
HOW DO I GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FULL NAME ON THE LIST.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THEM.
IS THERE SOME WAY WE'RE CAPTURING THE COMMON NAME MOVING FORWARD? YES.
SO ON THE SURVEY SHEETS, IT HAS THE HISTORIC NAME, THE COMMON NAME AND STREET ADDRESS.
SO ALL THAT DATA IS CAPTURED IN THAT DOCUMENT.
UM, SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL STILL RETAIN ALL THAT.
ARE THERE ANY THAT HAVE NO NAME AT ALL? I, I, I WOULD, I WISH WE COULD HAVE SEEN Y'ALL.
AND I GET THAT, WHICH I'LL GO LOOK IT UP.
SO I HATE TO ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS WITHOUT KNOWING EVERYTHING WILL HAVE A NAME.
SO IF, IF COUNSEL ADOPTS EXHIBIT THREE, WHICH IS THE UPDATED, UM, DESCRIPTIONS ON THE LIST OR NAMES ON THE LIST? EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING WILL HAVE A NAME.
AND I THINK WHEN THIS IS NEXT WEEK, UH, YES, THIS WILL BE TUESDAY.
I KNOW THE, UH, THIS PACKET'S ALREADY GONE OUT.
I GOT, YES, THE PACKET WENT OUT YESTERDAY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, GLENN? OKAY.
[VIII.2. Discussion Regarding Window Regulations in Old Town Historic District (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO.UH, DISCUSSION REGARDING WINDOW REGULATIONS IN THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I MANAGED TO LOSE MY POWERPOINT SOMEHOW, SO I WAS TRYING TO RECREATE IT WHILE, UH, GLENN WAS TALKING.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A HANDOUT.
I ACTUALLY COPIED MY POWERPOINT.
UM, AND I TRY TO DO WHAT I COULD, UM, WHILE HE WAS TALKING, BUT WE'LL TALK THROUGH IT.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH HERE OR A GOOD CONVERSATION.
SO DURING MY TIME, UM, REVIEWING, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, THE SUBJECT OF WINDOWS HAS COME UP FAIRLY OFTEN AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT UDO STANDARDS, UM, ARE ADEQUATE.
UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD, UM, POTENTIALLY AS A POSSIBLE TEXT AMENDMENT.
WE, UM, HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS OF, UM, UH, STARTING TO LOOK AT THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
WE HAD A REQUEST FOR, UH, QUALIFICATIONS.
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RECEIVED, UM, FOUR, UM, POSSIBLE, UH, CONSULTANTS WHO WILL BE WORKING WITH US TO UPDATE THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.OUT OF THAT, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, TEXT AMENDMENTS.
SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, AMEND IN THE ORDINANCE IN ADVANCE OF THAT OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN BEING UPDATED.
AND POTENTIALLY, UH, WINDOWS MAY BE ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.
SO, UM, THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, AND THIS IS TO BE VERY INFORMAL, SO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANY TIME.
UM, IF I MISSPEAK, PLEASE JUMP IN.
UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE TRADITIONAL, UM, PATTERNS, WINDOW PATTERNS, LIGHT PATTERNS WITHIN OLD TOWN.
AND, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUAL LIGHTS, UM, ARE EITHER TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS OR SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS OR GRIDS WITHIN THE WINDOW.
AND WHAT WE, UM, AND HERE'S THIS IS FROM, UM, UH, MANUFACTURER SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE MEAN BY TRUE AUTHENTIC DIVIDED LIGHTS.
THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL PANES THAT, UM, YOU TYPICALLY SEE ON OLDER BUILDINGS.
UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTO OF THAT IN A MOMENT.
UH, IT'S NOT ONE PANE OF GLASS, BUT IT'S MULTIPLE PANES OF GLASSES.
WINDOW BREAKS, YOU JUST REPLACE THOSE SMALLER PANES.
UM, THEY'RE, UH, AUTHENTIC TO THE OLDER HOMES, UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY UH, DEFICIENT.
SO, UM, ANOTHER POPULAR TYPE OF, UH, OF DIVIDED LIGHTS WOULD BE THE STIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT, THE ONE PANE OF GLASS WITH A GRID PLACED ON TOP OF IT THAT ADHERES TO THAT GLASS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ARE THE GRILLS OR THE GRID BETWEEN GLASS.
AND, UM, IT FRANKLY IS GIVING THE APPEARANCE OF, OF MORE SUBURBAN TYPE OF WINDOW THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND YOU CAN TELL THIS AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH OLD TOWN.
SO THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT IS THE HAYWARD HOUSE.
THAT'S THE TRUE AUTHENTIC, UH, TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS.
AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF WAVE IN THE GLASS.
THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE IS A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT THAT IS PUT ON A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UM, ON PRITCHARD STREET.
AND YOU COULD SEE THE MUS IN HERE THAT ARE, UM, ADHERED TO THE GLASS.
AND UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, LIKE THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT.
UM, BUT IT'S ONE PANE RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL PANES OF GLASS.
AND THEN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, THE GRID BETWEEN THE GLASS.
AND THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A, A WINDOW THAT YOU MIGHT SEE OUT AT NEW RIVERSIDE IN A, IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OLD TOWN? IT IS.
EVEN THOUGH PART OF THAT SHE'LL HIGHLIGHT IS THIS YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED.
SO IN OUR UDO CURRENTLY, IT SAYS, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT THE MUTTONS NOT TO HAVE SNAP IN OR UH, UH, SNAP IN MUTTONS.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS THAT WINDOWS WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT OR SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS ARE ENCOURAGED, NOT REQUIRED.
AND THIS ISN'T REALLY ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
IT SHOULD BE, ARE REQUIRED OR NOT REQUIRED.
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT TONIGHT, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT REQUIREMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THE, UH, GRID BETWEEN WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE.
THE, UM, I DID GIVE YOU A COPY OF THE BUILDING ELEMENTS, THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES.
SO IT APPEARS THAT A PORTION OF OUR UDO REQUIREMENTS OR STANDARDS CAME FROM THIS, UH, PRESERVATION MANUAL THAT THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT ADOPTED IT OR JUST REFERRED TO IT BACK IN 2002.
SO EVEN THE GRAPHICS, UM, THAT ARE IN OUR INNER ORDINANCE CAME IN THIS MANUAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD, UM, GUIDELINES IN HERE, SUGGESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME DID NOT TRANSLATE, TRANSLATE OVER TO THE UDO, WHY SOME THINGS BECAME MORE OF A SUGGESTION RATHER THAN A REQUIREMENT.
BUT IF YOU SEE WHERE I'VE CIRCLED, UH, IN THE PRESERVATION MANUAL, IT SAYS ALL WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS OR SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS.
BUT IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IN THE UDO IT SAYS ENCOURAGE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER CHANGING WITH AN AMENDMENT.
AND THEN I WANNA ADD TOO, THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS, SOME OF THEM LOOK FAIRLY FLAT.
THE MOUNTAINS LOOK FAIRLY FLAT.
UM, I THOUGHT FOR EXAMPLE, THE PHOTO IN THE MIDDLE, I THOUGHT THOSE WERE, UM, THE GRID IN THE WINDOW UNTIL I GOT UP TO IT CLOSE.
UM, AND THEN I REALIZED THAT IT WASN'T.
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SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANNA DISCUSS AS WELL.IF WE HAD REQUIREMENTS FOR SIZE, UM, BECAUSE THESE LOOK FAIRLY FLAT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS DISCUSSION.
I'M, I'M NOT KIND OF LEADING YOU ANYWHERE OTHER THAN TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO DO WITH WINDOWS.
I THINK THAT LOOKS FLAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SNAP ONS AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE INTERIOR GRID.
THAT'S WHY IT'S LOOKING FLATTER.
I I MEAN THEY, THEY DO MAKE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS FOR THAT.
AND WE COULD RECOMMEND THE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DIMENSION.
UM, THERE, THERE'RE FIVE A AND THREE QUARTERS, ONE INCH, SO WE COULD PUT A MINIMUM THERE.
MORE HISTORICAL, BE BEEFIER 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY HOLDING THE PAINT IN.
BUT, BUT THAT ISN'T REALLY HOLDING INDIVIDUAL PAINTS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SDLS ARE ACTUAL, THEY'LL HAVE A MUTTON ON BOTH SIDES AND THEY SHOULD HAVE DIVIDED IN BETWEEN THE GLASS TWO.
UM, SO IT GETS A HERE OF A MUCH THICKER I THAT THAT LOOKS FLAT.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S A SMALLER, IT'S NOT PROUD, BUT IT'S ALSO ONLY ON THE OUTSIDE.
YOU CAN SEE IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH TO THE INSIDE.
AND THE ONE WITH THE RIGHT ARE NOT WELL YEAH.
IT HAS NO, IT'S INSIDE THE GLASS.
YOU DEFINITELY LOSE ALL DEFINITION.
THE, THE REASON THAT THEY USED TO DO AUTHENTIC, THE AUTHENTIC DIVIDED LIGHT WAS THEY COULD ONLY MAKE S OF GLASS FLAT IN A CERTAIN SIZE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO CREATE THE WINDOW STRUCTURE IF YOU WANTED MORE LIGHT TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE PIECES OF THE GLASS.
SO THE SIMULATED DIVIDED, DIVIDED LIGHT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO HAVE TWO PANES IN INSULATION AND MODERN COMFORT, BUT GIVES YOU THAT LOOK OF THE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE SHUTTERS AND HANDRAILS AND OTHER THINGS THROUGH THE LENS OF DOES THIS FOLLOW TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS, THE GRILLS BETWEEN THE GLASS WINDOW REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS AS FAR AS THE WAY IT'S PUT TOGETHER.
WHEREAS THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB OF RECREATING THAT EFFECT.
GIVES YOU THE DEPTH OF, I MEAN YOU, YOU'RE LOSING ALL THE DEPTH OF IT AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, I MEAN YOU CAN EVEN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE, LOOK AT, YOU CAN SEE THIS BLURRY PICTURE, RIGHT? HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THAT IS FROM THE PICTURE.
BUT THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN SEE THAT THERE ARE DIVIDES IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE BLACK.
A LOT OF BLACK WINDOWS, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT DIVIDE, THAT THOSE DIVIDES GO AWAY COMPLETELY WHEN THEY'RE JUST IN THE GLASS.
BUT I MEAN THAT IS, LIKE JOE SAID, THEY THEY HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE SMALLER 'CAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET TO, TO SIZE OF GLASS.
SO I DO RE I DO HAVE HISTORY ON THIS.
I LOVE THIS PRESERVATION MANUAL.
I THINK THEY WERE MORE CLEAR AND DIRECT.
AND I JUST WONDER AGAIN, IN MY WORLD I WAS IN IF THE, THE ENCOURAGED WITH A LEGAL DECISION, YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE A HARDSHIP OR I DON'T, I HAVE A FEELING THE SHALL AND THE MAY AND THE ENCOURAGED AND ALL THAT.
BUT I, I WOULD BE OKAY PERSONALLY BEING MORE LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND BUT ALSO MAYBE LIKE TIM SAID, HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
IF WE'RE GONNA USE THAT, THEN THE THICKNESS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A COST ISSUE FOR SOME REASON, IF THEY DID THE SNAP ON MUTTON, JUST HAVE DIMENSIONS IN THICKNESS TO MAKE IT LOOK AS CLOSE TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
I MEAN S YEAH, SD LS AREN'T AN EXPENSIVE OPTION WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT HISTORIC COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS THAT WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SOFFIT AND BEADBOARD IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE AND HAVEN'T REQUIRED THE SDLS OR NOT.
IT'S NOT A VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT I, I THINK IT'S THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES.
I MEAN THAT DOES, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS NOT HISTORIC AT ALL.
I MEAN THAT LOOKS LIKE JUST THE BUILDER WINDOW.
SO I MEAN IT, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
YOU SEE THAT COMPARED TO THE ONE, TO THE LAUGHTER OR EVEN THE ONE IN THE CENTER.
IT'S ONE IN THE CENTER IS ALUMINUM CLAD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT STILL HAS THE DEPTH AND IT HAS THE APPEARANCE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW.
THE UM, WINDOW INDUSTRY HAS MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
AND OUT OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WINDOW LINES AND MATERIALS, LIKE YOU CAN DO VINYL AND FIBERGLASS IN THE SDL NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF OUT BETWEEN COLBY AND PJA AND PJA IS MORE OF A VALUE WINDOW, BUT THEY HAVE LINE LIKE MID-TIER LINES WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THOSE FEATURES, THE SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS WITHOUT BREAKING THE BANK.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW INDUSTRY IS MATURED TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT REALLY SEEING LIKE A SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP.
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OF THE SORT OF SLIGHT UPGRADE THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO THINKING ABOUT THINGS AND USING CERTAIN MATERIALS WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING AN OLD TOWN.AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS WONDERING, ARE THEY, ARE THERE, HAVE THEY MOVED ALONG WITH THE, THE EASE OF GETTING IT BUT KEEPING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY DO HAVE, YEAH, THIS COMPANY WOULD HAVE HAD SOMETHING CLOSER TO THEY DO.
THAT'S NOT THIS SPECIFIC WINDOW LINE OBVIOUSLY, BUT UM, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE OPTIONS TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER WITHIN A LINE.
CHARLOTTE, YOU WERE SAYING WE ENCOURAGE, SO IF THEY'VE COME BEFORE HPC AND WE SIT AND THAT IS A COMMENT AND THEY FOUND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND IT'S PUT IN A A VOTE, DO THEY HAVE TO THEN DO THE WHAT WE SAY OR DO THEY GO BACK SAY, WELL THEY ENCOURAGED US TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ONE IN INSTEAD.
ENCOURAGES WINDOW IS A POSSIBLE ISSUE RIGHT NOW THAT YEAH, THAT ONE IS POPPING UP A LOT.
AND IT, LIKE I SAID, IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND I MEAN, BUT Y'ALL HAVE MADE THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY I ENCOURAGE YOU 'CAUSE IT'S A BIG, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
BUT I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEETH TO ENCOURAGE, RIGHT? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMENT AT THAT HPRC LEVEL AND YOU SAY, STUDY THIS AND YOU DON'T SAY CHANGE THIS.
AND IT KIND OF REALLY DOESN'T PUT ANY ONUS ON THEM AND ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING BESIDES GO BACK AND SAY THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
SO OUR VOTE ON A PLAN, AND THEN WHEN Y'ALL GO AND LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SAY, WELL, YOU, YOU ENCOURAGED US, BUT WE DECIDED WE DIDN'T WANNA BE ENCOURAGED.
WELL ULTIMATELY WHATEVER'S BEEN APPROVED ON THE COFA IS THE REQUIREMENT.
UM, WHERE DOES IT GO FROM AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO A REQUIREMENT? DOES THAT DECISION YEAH, WELL ENCOURAG JUST DOESN'T MEAN REQUIRED, RIGHT, BUT YOU JUST SAID THEN IT BECOMES A REQUIREMENT.
WELL, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS APPROVED ON THE COFA IS THE ACTUAL, THE MATERIALS OR THE CONFIGURATION THAT THAT IS APPROVED.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH BY THE APPLICANT.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE NOT SPECIFYING SDL ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
THEY'RE JUST DRAWING THESE DIVIDES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
SO THEY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DRAW IT IN ELEVATION AND DON'T SPECIFY WHAT THE WINDOW MANUFACTURER IS OR THAT THEY'RE SDLS AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF READ.
THEY DRAW 'EM ON THE ELEVATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT SAYING SDLS, WHY DON'T WE REQUIRE THAT? WELL EVEN IF THIS IS, I IT'S NOT IN THE UUD, IT SAYS IT'S ENCOURAGED.
IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE WANTING US TO DO? IS THIS THE, THE RE IS THIS WHAT THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD MAKE A CHANGE THAT WOULD PUT MORE TEETH INTO IT THAT THEY HAVE TO MAYBE SHOW US MORE THAN JUST A DRAWN IN? WELL, IT'D HAVE TO BE SDL IF IT'S IN THE UDO, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING? THAT IT'D BE CHANGING THE UDO FROM ENCOURAGED TO REQUIRED? IT COULD BE REQUIRED BUT ALTERNATE.
YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER OTHER, UM, CONFIGURATIONS I GUESS.
OR, UM, I MEAN I THINK SDL IS KIND OF YOUR MINIMUM THAT IT SHOULD BE.
I MEAN WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S, WINDOWS ARE ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ITEMS. WE, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MUCH MORE COSTLY THAT WE REQUIRE THAN THIS.
THIS IS A MINIMAL, BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN HISTORIC THAT, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD NOT BE HISTORIC ANYTHING BUT HISTORIC.
MARY UDO WAS ADOPTED IN 2011, SO IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS.
TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND MAYBE WINDOW COST HAVE COME DOWN.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S A COST, BUT IT'S NOT A HUGE COST.
IT'S NOT DOUBLING THE COST OF YOUR WINDOWS TO PUT SDLS IN IT.
WELL, I AGREE ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE ARE REQUIRING.
UM, DID YOU LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER PLACES THAT ARE HISTORIC? I, I ALWAYS GO TO WALTER BROOKE 'CAUSE I HAVE A WONDERFUL WEBSITE BY THE WAY.
UM, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT YOU CAN USE, THE TYPES OF WINDOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE, UM, SO ACTUALLY CHARLESTON AND GLEN'S MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, HAS SOME VERY GOOD WINDOW GUIDANCE, UM, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE AND SAVANNAH'S MUCH MORE SPECIFIC THAN WE ARE.
SAVANNAH, I, SO I, I I KNOW I'M KIND OF LEAVING YOU HANGING HERE LIKE WHAT TO DO NEXT.
SO I MEAN, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU'D LIKE TO PURSUE, WE COULD WORK ON, UH, AN AMENDMENT AND THEN BRING IT BACK.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE THE DETERMINATION OF COUNSEL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANNA PURSUE AMENDMENTS RIGHT NOW AHEAD OF
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THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.UM, BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND START TO WORK ON, UM, WE COULD DO THAT.
I, I MEAN I COMPLETELY THINK SO.
I THINK, UH, IT, IT'S, YOU'RE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHOUT IT.
AND ANOTHER 10 PERMITS THAT COME THROUGH HERE, RIGHT? ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WATERS DOWN WHAT OUR SQUARE MILE STANDS FOR MM-HMM
NOW ON CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES WITH THE WINDOWS THE SAME, WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON THIS FALLS.
IF THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OR THAT GOES TO YOU, THAT GOES TO YOU AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE LEEWAY DECIDING, RIGHT? SO WITH A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, IT'S ALWAYS RECOMMENDED REPL REPAIR, NOT REPLACE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IN KIND MATERIAL DIMENSION, ET CETERA.
BUT THIS IS JUST NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SHOULD WE LOOK AT, UM, THE UD OS AS FIXED AND OPERABLE OR ONLY OPERABLE WINDOWS? UM, IF A WINDOW IS SASH SET INSTEAD OF DIRECT SET, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FUNCTIONAL, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE OPERABLE HARDWARE PIECES TO IT.
I THINK THAT COULD BE UP FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS PART OF THIS.
IT, IT COULD BE, UH, IF YOU GO TO THAT THAT WE KNOW YOU HAD WHERE YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE SNAPPED ON WINDOW GRID LOOK, THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT SET WINDOW.
SO THE ACTUAL FRAME IS VERY SMALL.
IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE SCREWED IN AROUND THE PIECE OF GLASS WHERE THE SASH SET WINDOW WOULD HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE A TWO OR THREE INCH, LIKE THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT AROUND THE WINDOW.
I MEAN THE ONE ON THE LEFT, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE TWO CASEMENT, OPERABLE AND CENTER.
SO I MEAN THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE YOU JUST DON'T NEED IT TO BE OPERABLE AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, THE PRESERVATION MANUAL SUGGESTED.
SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT CAME THAT EVERYTHING HAD TO BE OPERABLE.
UM, YEAH, YOU HAVE WINDOWS ON LIKE STAIRS AND STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T REACH THAT JUST DON'T NEED TO BE OPERABLE.
OR IN A DORMER THAT, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK PART OF THAT IS IF, IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BE OPERABLE, IT'S GONNA COME IN A SASH.
SO IN FEWER WORDS, YOU'RE ABLE TO GET TO THE SAME END, I GUESS.
BUT NOT ALL WINDOW SIZES MAKE SENSE AS A OPERABLE PIECE.
AND NOT ALL APPLICATIONS MAKE SENSE TO BE REQUIRED TO BE OPERABLE.
WELL, UM, IT DOES SOUND LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD ON AND WE COULD WORK ON THAT.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU IDENTIFY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU THINK BELIEVE SHOULD BE AMENDED AS WELL, PLEASE SHARE THEM WITH STAFF.
AND WE ARE KEEPING A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO UPDATE.
UM, AND AS WE BEGIN OUR OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN PROCESS, I KNOW WE'LL HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT WILL LEAD TO PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS TO OUR, UH, OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN OR OLD TOWN, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT SECTION.
ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THIS IS A GREAT TEMPLATE FOR YOU.
IS THERE A, UM, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME OF WHEN THEY PICKED THE GROUP? HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING, WE JUST RECEIVED ALL OF THE, UM, PROPOSALS, SO WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK THROUGH THEM NOW.
IS THE PRESERVATION MANUAL AVAILABLE ANYWHERE? I COULD GET, UM, A COPY FOR YOU? IF YOU'D ALL LIKE TO SEE IT.
I COULD SCAN IT IN AND GET IT TO YOU.
DOES IT LIVE ONLINE? I DON'T THINK SO.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE STOPPED REFERENCING IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE UDO DOESN'T REFERENCE IT.
WE TALK ABOUT THE, UH, TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PATTERNS, THE BOOK, BUT WE DON'T REFERENCE THE MANUAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HISTORY OF THAT IS, BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO GET IT TO YOU.
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THAT TAKES US TO OUR LAST DISCUSSION TOPIC, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.UM, SITE FEATURES FOR THE MONTH, UM, SOME EXTERIOR REPAIRS, SIGNAGE, UM, A PORCH REMODEL.
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IS IT.WE HAVE SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THE NEXT THREE WEEKS WE WILL NOT HAVE HPRC, UM, NO ITEMS. WE WILL HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT I'M AWARE OF ON THE SEPTEMBER HPC MEETING.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.