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[I. CALL TO ORDER]
TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 22ND TO ORDER.CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? HERE, CHARLIE
UM, NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER NINE 30 UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENCE ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
DATE IS DETERMINED BY COMMISSION MEMBERS.
WE DO HAVE TWO SEPARATE, UH, SETS OF MINUTES.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE MAY 27TH AMENDED MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JUNE 24TH MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TEND TO HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC TO HAVE A COMMENT.
THEY'RE SEEING AS THERE'S NO OLD BUSINESS.
[VII.1. Village at Verdier (PLANNING WORKSHOP – NO ACTION) – Expiration of Development Agreement and UDO Amendments to Establish/Embed Planned Unit Development (PUD) Standards (UDO Article 4, Article 5, and new Appendix B) (Staff - Dan Frazier)]
HAVE ONE ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA VILLAGE AT VERDE PLANNING WORKSHOP.NO ACTION INTENDED OR REQUIRED.
EXPIRATION OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND UDO AMENDMENTS TO ESTABLISH OR EMBED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UDO, ARTICLE FOUR, ARTICLE FIVE, AND NEW APPENDIX D MR. FRAZIER.
THIS IS A VILLAGE EFFORT AIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, EXPIRATION AND TRANSITION OF ZONING REGULATIONS INTO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
WE DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WITH BLUFFTON VILLAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE WAS ON THE COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.
UH, THIS IS VILLAGE AT VERDURE.
IT IS OFF OF ONE 70 AT SEAGRASS STATION.
IT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS SEA GRASS STATION.
IT'S 125.32 ACRES, ORIGINALLY APPROVED WAY BACK IN 2002 AS A PD IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
THERE WAS A SECOND AMENDMENT IN 2017.
AND THEN THE MOST RECENT WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN.
THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CURRENTLY EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 17TH, 2026.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TONIGHT.
WELL, ACTUALLY, LEMME JUST GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDES ON THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, SINCE, SINCE, SINCE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES ON, EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 17TH, 2026, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INCORPORATING IT INTO THE UDO, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH BLUFFTON VILLAGE WHEN, WHEN IT EXPIRED.
UM, SO THERE'S RESIDUAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND, UM, OH, 30,000 REMAINING.
UH, AND I'LL GO OVER WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH, UH, SEPARATE PARCELS.
BUT WHAT IS REMAINING IS 30,582 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND NINE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
THOSE, THOSE ARE STILL HELD WITH THE SECURITY BANK OF KANSAS CITY.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE VILLAGE AT VERDE AGREEMENT STATED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE UDO FOLLOWING THE EXPIRATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
TOWN STAFF IS PROVO PROPOSING THE CREATION OF AN APPENDIX B TO INCLUDE THE MASTER PLAN AND INFORMATION ON THE SEVEN PLANNING AREAS, WHICH GOVERN PERMITTED USES IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, APPENDIX A IS AT BLUFFTON VILLAGE, WHERE WE BROUGHT THAT WHOLE DOCUMENT IN.
PROPOSED UDO AMENDMENTS IS AN ADDITION, UH, A ADDING ONE LINE TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, WHICH IS APPENDIX B, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR VILLAGE AT VERDE.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING A PUD FOR VILLAGE AT VERDE.
IN SECTION 4 1 1, WE'RE OUTLINING THE PERMITTED USE DENSITY AND BUILDING STANDARDS.
IN SECTION 4 2 1 16, WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE PERMITTED LAND USES IN TABLE 4.3.
THAT INCLUDES A COUPLE CH COUPLE ADDITIONS TO THE USE CONDITIONS.
AND THAT IS SECTION 4 4 2, UH, REGULATING, UH, REGULATING DESIGN STANDARDS IS SECTION 5.8.
DE DETERMINING SIGNAGE STANDARDS IS FIVE 13.
IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO ALL THE SIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE UDO RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND FINALLY SUMMARIZE THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS
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AND PLANNING AREAS AND INCLUDED AN ILLUSTRATED MASTER PLAN IN APPENDIX FEE.SO ALL OF THAT WAS YOUR, WAS INCLUDED AS ATTACHMENT ONE.
SO ATTACHMENT ONE IN THE PACKET, UH, LISTED OUT THE EXACTLY WHAT THE CHANGES WOULD BE IN THE UDO UPON APPROVAL.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THE FAR RIGHT IN THE, THE UPPER RIGHT IS A, IS OUR UDO PERMITTED USE TABLE.
WE'RE ADDING A COLUMN TO THE FAR RIGHT, WHICH IS PUD FOR VILLAGE AT VERDE, AND IT WILL LIST THE PERMITTED USES, UM, TO, TO THE LEFT IS WHAT THE CHANGE WILL BE IN SECTION 4 2 16.
THE NEW SUBSECTION DOWN BELOW LOWER RIGHT IS SECTION FOUR EIGHT OR 5 8 5 8 2 SPECIFICALLY.
AND SO THESE TWO SLIDES HERE ARE JUST DESCR DESCRIBING THE SAME THING THAT YOU SEE IN ATTACHMENT TWO, WHICH IS THE CHANGES TO THE UDO.
I HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE, THE WHOLE PUD AND WHAT WE HAVE REMAINING.
IF I COULD GO THROUGH THIS WITH THEIR, AND, AND COMPASS HEALTH HAS A DEVELOPMENT HERE.
THEY ALSO OWN A PIECE OF LAND UP FRONT.
ARE YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE MY THIRD NAME? MM-HMM
SO, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS PARCEL W AND IT'S KIND OF OFF BECAUSE THE PARCEL NAMES DON'T, THIS, THESE REFERENCES HERE MATCH UP WITH THE TABLE TO THE RIGHT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY BROKEN UP INTO A PARCEL.
A THREE TO THE LEFT IS OWNED BY ENCOMPASS.
NOTHING'S BUILT ON IT, BUT IT HAS 12,098 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AVAILABLE SOON AS THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
DO YOU MIND IF I ASK YOU? ABSOLUTELY.
WHENEVER, UM, NOW TAKE THIS FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAS 12,000 SQUARE FEET ASSIGNED TO IT.
IF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES, DOES THAT 12,000 EXPIRE? I HEAR YOU'RE SITTING UP FOR THAT QUESTION,
I DON'T, THE THE INTENT HERE IS TO TRANSFER OVER.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME RESIDUAL RIGHTS THAT AREN'T ASSIGNED TO ANYTHING THAT ARE STILL OWNED BY THE, BY THE SECURITY BANK ACCOUNT.
SO, WELL, WHEN YOU SAY ASSIGNED, WHO ASSIGNED IT? IT WAS SOLD TO BLACK CORNER SINCE THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS, IS, UH, GOING THROUGH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE HE, HE PURCHASED RIGHTS FROM, I THINK IT WAS FROM KENT, FROM THE BANK.
AND SO THE BANK HAD THE RIGHTS PER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, RIGHT? THEY SOLD THE RIGHTS TO EITHER THE CONVENIENCE STORE OR TO ENCOMPASS MM-HMM
AND THEY HOLD RIGHTS THAT TECHNICALLY EXPIRE IN DECEMBER.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THAT'S ALMOST A RICHARDSON QUESTION OF, OF THEY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAD THE RIGHTS INCORPORATED INTO IT.
OUR, OUR INTENT HERE IS TO CARRY EVERYTHING OVER, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND THE PERMITTED USES INTO THE UDO.
AND I, I, I THINK WE WOULD ALL EXPECT NOTHING LESS OF STAFF.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS OUR DIRECTIVE FROM TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH IS TO NOT ADD ANY MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH COMMERCIAL.
AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REDUCE THEM, WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS DECEMBER, WHATEVER.
WHAT, UM, ONE THING UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SO, SO AFTER TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA SET UP TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
THERE'S A POA FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S A POA FOR THE TOWN HOMES, AND THEN THERE'S A MASTER POA, WHICH COVERS ALL THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND, AND MAYBE IT COVERS EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA SET UP A MEETING, ONE DURING THE DAY, ONE IN THE EVENING, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE SAME DAY.
WE'RE DOING THAT BEFORE WE COME BACK HERE.
AND WE'LL INCORPORATE WHATEVER COMES OUTTA THAT MEETING INTO THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD, THAT THEY'VE, THEY, UH, AT LEAST THE PERSON THAT I CORRESPONDED WITH WHO IS, UH, THE POA PRESIDENT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, ASKED, SAID, SAID, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW WE'RE VIEWING THIS.
WE'RE WE'RE VIEWING THIS AS INCORPORATING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT INTO THE UDO.
IT'S NOT LIKE OPENING UP A PUD WITH AN AMENDMENT WHERE YOU CAN MAKE CHANGE.
WELL, UH, AND, AND, AND SO DEFINITELY, I I, I WILL POSE THAT QUESTION IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
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IT IS, IS IT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IF WE JUST LET THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT EXPIRE? MM-HMMI, I, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.
I THINK A QUESTION FOR HOW WE, 'CAUSE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS TO COUNCIL OKAY.
UM, AT THIS MEETING OR THE NEXT MEETING? NO, NO.
WE, THIS IS A WORKSHOP MEETING.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT LETTING HIM DO THE WHOLE PRESENTATION.
UM, AND JUMP IN ANYBODY IF, IF, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO ADD OR, OR ASK.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO NOTHING, SO THAT WE CAN HELP DETERMINE WHAT WE THINK IS FAIR THAT WE RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL WHO ULTIMATELY MAKES THE DECISION.
JIM, I CAN I ASK A QUESTION THOUGH? COULD YOU REMIND ME WHAT IS GOING IN W AND X? THOSE, THOSE AREAS? UH, I'LL, UH, I'LL GO, I'LL GO OVER ONE.
WHAT'S LEFT? AND SO, SO VACANT IS W THE ENTIRE THING.
UH, THIS IS, AND I CAN HARDLY SAY MYSELF.
THIS IS VACANT THIS, BUT YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE.
UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE HAD YES.
THE, THE CONVENIENCE STORE HAS COME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S FOR A, THAT'S ONE SECTION.
APPEALS CHANGE TO TURN IT SIDEWAYS AGAIN, WAS THE OTHER, THE OTHER PARCEL FOR THE CAR CONDOMINIUMS. THAT'S OVER HERE.
THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND.
IT, IT, SO, SO THAT STILL HAS AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON IT, WHICH IS CAR VILLAGE.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN, BEEN, UH, PURCHASED BY, IT HAS A NEW PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I DON'T SEE THEM COMING BACK.
SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
UH, IT, IT HAS, UH, 80,000, THAT'S QUESTION 80,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THIS PIECE HERE HAS 85,000 SQUARE FEET ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT INCLUDES OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER.
THE PARCEL CLOSEST TO THE ENTRANCE HERE IS WHERE THE CONVENIENCE STORE IS.
UM, UH, PROPOSED, UH, IN THE BACK, THE TOWN TOWN OWNS THIS PARCEL HERE.
WE HAVE 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF CIVIC SPACE ON IT.
IT'S BEING USED AS A CONSTRUCTION PARKING LOT FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONS TO THE ENCOMPASS HILLS.
AND SO THAT'S THE REMAINING, UH, VACANT LOTS.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, WHAT'S STILL BEING HOLD HELD AS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT AREN'T ASSIGNED TO ANY PROPERTIES IS 30,582 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND NINE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
ALL WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKFORCE.
SO, SO THAT, UH, THAT WAS ATTACHMENT TWO IS, IS WHERE THREE PUT TOGETHER.
SHE, SHE'S THE ONE THAT THEY, THEY CAN SELL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
IT'S, IT'S A TOTAL CIVIL CONTRACT BETWEEN ONE PERSON OWNS 'EM, THE OTHER PERSON OWNS THESE OF PROPERTY.
THEY CAN PAY FOR IT, GET ASSIGNED TO THAT PROPERTY, SOMETIMES DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TRANSFER WITH THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, EITHER WAY WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS REPORT THAT TRANSACTION TO THE TOWN.
AND THEN BRIE DOES A GREAT JOB OF TRACKING ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO, SO ATTACHMENT TWO IS HER TRACKING OF THE VILLAGE AT VERDE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
UH, SO LET ME MOVE ON UNLESS WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MASTER PLAN UP HERE.
SO WE HAD A TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP BACK IN APRIL.
UH, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS COMING FORWARD, THAT WE HAVE THE EXPIRATION OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP IS TONIGHT WE WILL SCHEDULE TWO MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT HAVE TO HAVE HAPPEN AFTER AUGUST 10TH BECAUSE THEY'VE VACATION SCHEDULES WITH, WITH THE POA.
UM, SO WE WILL COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IN FRONT OF YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
'CAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET READY FOR AUGUST AND COME BACK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETINGS.
SO SEPTEMBER WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
THEN WE'LL CARRY THAT RECOMMENDATION FORWARD FOR A FIRST READING AT TOWN COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER, FOLLOWED BY A SECOND READING AND, UM, APPROVAL OF THE UDO TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS.
AND THAT'LL BE, UH, NINE DAYS BEFORE IT EXPIRES.
SO, HEY, LET'S DELAY IT A MONTH JUST TO MAKE IT INTERESTING.
UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CONVEY WHEN THOSE MEETINGS ARE, UM, BECAUSE I MAY WANT TO GO TO ONE OR BOTH OF 'EM.
ONE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY WANT TO, WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
WELL, WELL IT IS A PUBLIC ANNOUNCED MEETING.
THEY JUST HAVE TO ADD THAT THE COURT MAY BE PRESENT.
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THAT WON'T BE A FORMAL INVITE WITH THE POA.IT MIGHT EVEN BE AT THE SAME TIME AS ONE OF THE POAS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.
BUT IT, THE INTENT IS ANYBODY AND ANYBODY COULD GO TO IT, BUT ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, GOT LOTS OF ROOFTOPS AND RESIDENTIAL THERE THAT ARE INTERESTED.
HAVE WE PUBLICLY NOTICED THESE MEETINGS YET, OR NO? WE HAVE NOT.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN SCHEDULED YET.
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT THAT A, UM, JUST PUT A LITTLE DISCLAIMER THAT A QUORUM OF PLANNING COMMISSION MAY BE PRESENT AT THESE MEETINGS BUT WILL NOT MAKE ANY DECISIONS AND NO PUBLIC.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO DO IT WITH COUNCIL AS WELL.
AND IT'S BASICALLY, YOU, WE STATE THAT THERE'S A QUORUM PRESENT AND THAT NO, UH, BUSINESS WILL BE DISCUSSED.
SO YOU GUYS CAN'T GATHER AND TALK TO US.
YOU JUST SAY, HEY, HOW ARE YOU? AND GO ABOUT YOUR DAY.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THE MAJORITY WILL BE PRESENT, BUT WHY DON'T WE COVER OUR BUTTS JUST IN CASE WE ALWAYS DO.
SO THERE'S A MAJORITY OF YOU PRESENT, WE WILL ALWAYS WRITE THAT.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT GET COMMUNICATED? I'LL WORK ON BOX.
I I I THOUGHT ANY MEETING YOU COULDN'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF MM-HMM
EVERY DAY I LEARN SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO, OKAY GUYS.
UH, JUST, I I MEAN THAT, THAT'S IT.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE LONGER WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT TIME, BUT NOT TOO MUCH.
'CAUSE IT'S, 'CAUSE REALLY IT IS A, THE APPLICATION IS A UDO TEXT AMENDMENT.
'CAUSE WE'RE AMENDING THE TEXT AND IT REQUIRES TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL.
BUT IN, IN EFFECT, THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GOES AWAY.
AND, AND IF YOU GOT PROPERTY WITHIN, WITHIN THE VILLAGE AT VERDE, YOU ARE, YOU ARE NOW UNDERNEATH AND REGULATED BY THE UDO.
WELL, LET'S, I MEAN, LET'S HAVE A QUICK CONVERSATION ON THIS BECAUSE MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ARE IF IT'S UNASSIGNED, IF IT HASN'T BEEN SOLD TO ANYONE THAT'S ON THE TABLE.
BUT IF IT'S BEEN SOLD TO SOMEBODY, I, I MEAN, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY YEAH.
IF, WELL, IF YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU WOULD KNOW THAT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS GOING TO EXPIRE.
BUT IS IT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT YOU COULD LOSE EVERYTHING WITH IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.
I WANT TO HAVE MORE OPEN SPACE IN THE TOWN.
I WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW DO Y'ALL FEEL? YEAH.
WELL, WELL LET, LET ME ASK SOMETHING.
YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER IN THE MEETING ABOUT HOW COUNCIL WANTS US TO RESTRICT WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RDUS.
CAN YOU SAY A FEW MORE WORDS ABOUT THAT? WELL, THEY, THEY'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN THE PAST AND A DIRECTIVE TO, TO ALL OF THE COUNCIL'S, COMMITTEES AND STAFF IS NOT A SINGLE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT WILL BE APPROVED BY THEM IF THEY CAN HELP IT.
AND THEY, THEY'VE HELD TO THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 66,000 THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED.
SO THESE, THE SEVEN THAT THE, THE SECURITY BANK OF KANSAS CITY, THAT'S PART OF THE 60, 66,000? OR IS THAT NEGOTIABLE? IT'S ABOUT 20,000, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE SCARING ME WITH THE SIX.
WELL, MY MY OPINION, AND IT, IT MAY NOT BE THE OPINION OF ALL OF US IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
MY OPINION IS IF IT'S EXPIRING AND IT'S NOT ASSIGNED ANYWHERE, OTHER THAN TO THE GENERAL AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT'S GOING AWAY.
I, I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE WHEN, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO UNDER THE UDO, BUT WHEN WE CREATE THIS NEW DISTRICT IN THE UDO, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY, OR EVEN ON PURPOSE ALLOW FOR, IF I OWN AN ACRE, I CAN PUT FOUR HOUSES ON IT THAT WEREN'T ANYWHERE BEFORE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE UDL READS.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE, UH, I MEAN THIS THIS LOWER NAME ZONE, PUD.
LIKE IT, UM, WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT IT AT ONE TIME, LIKE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF WE JUST REMOVE THE PUD AND AND AND ZONED EACH OF THE PARCELS? THEY WOULD HAVE TO ALL BE ZONED, IT WOULD BE A REZONING APPLICATION.
IT WOULD NEED SIGNATURES OF EVERY PROPERTY OWNER.
IS, UM, AND, AND THAT'S ALSO, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ZONE PUD AND THE TOWN IS MAKING AN EFFORT TO UNDER ZONE IT WITH, WITH ANOTHER ZONING.
SO, SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS WHY, WHY WE COULDN'T GO THAT ROUTE.
AND WE SAID WE'VE GOTTA GO THE SAME ROUTE AS BLUFFTON VILLAGE, WHICH
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IS, THERE'S NO REZONING.ALL, ALL OF THESE ARE PD OR PD ZONE PROPERTIES WITHIN HERE.
WE'RE JUST CARRYING OVER THE PERMITTED USES.
IT'S JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN WE START HAVING THESE AND WE NEED TO HAVE THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, AND PROPERTY OWNER MEETINGS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME THAT WANT WHAT'S THEY'RE GONE
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHERS THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY CONVERSATIONS.
SO YOU LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR MEETINGS, RIGHT? SURE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, OUR TOWN ATTORNEY RICHARDSON HAS FORWARDED A LETTER TO THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE SECURITY BANK OF KANSAS CITY ABOUT THE REMAINING FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY ARE.
I'M NOT EVEN PRIVY TO IT, BUT, BUT THAT'S BEING WORKED IN THE PROCESS NOW.
AND HOPEFULLY WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AFTER COMMUNITY MEETINGS COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
PRIOR TO TOWN COUNCIL SECOND READING AND APPROVAL.
I REMEMBER THERE BEING AN ISSUE BACK IN OH 8, 0 9 WHEN THEY TOOK ALL OF IT OVER.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR THEY TOOK IT OVER AGAIN.
AND GUYS, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T HERE, UM, THIS WAS NOT A FRIENDLY TRANSITION OF OWNERSHIP.
THIS WAS A BANK THAT CAME IN AFTER A DEVELOPER THAT WASN'T, UH, WASN'T IN A FINANCIAL SITUATION TO HANG ONTO IT WHEN THE ECONOMY WENT DOWN.
UM, THEY HAVE HIS, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, THIS BANK HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN EITHER NON-RESPONSIVE OR A ALMOST AN ADVERSARIAL IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NO LOVE FOR THIS DEVELOPER.
USUALLY, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE 2006 AND THE HOUSING CRISIS AND EVERYTHING, A LOT OF STUFF WENT BACK TO THE BANKS.
AND THE BANKS DON'T WANNA HOLD ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WANNA MONETIZE IT, YOU KNOW.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IT STAYED WITH THIS BANK AS LONG AS IT HAS.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST SELLING OFF PIECEMEAL.
THEY, THEY COULD CARE LESS WHAT'S IN THERE IN MY OPINION.
UM, SO IF MY OPINION, IF WE HAVE STUFF WE CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THEM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T.
I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T FEEL THERE'S AN, THIS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER ONE WE DID BLUFFTON VILLAGE, THAT THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS WHO TRIED THE BEST THAT THEY COULD.
I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THIS, WHETHER IT BE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE OR NOT, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY NOW.
THAT'S GONNA BE A, A BIG THING TOO.
I THINK THE INPUT OF THE, THE MEETINGS ARE GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
DO YOU THINK THIS MEETING WILL HAPPEN WHEN, UH, IT'S GONNA BE AFTER AUGUST 10TH, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND SCHEDULE 'EM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER IT.
TRYING TO DO IT ON, UH, ONE OF THE, WE WE MET BEFORE ON SITE AT UH, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM THAT'S WITH SAW A GRASS STATION.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS BACK UP IN HERE.
SO ASSOCIATED WITH THE BACK UP HERE WITH THE APARTMENTS.
I THINK THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T HOW IT'S BUILT OUT THERE.
THE PURPLE PART, BUT YEAH, RIGHT.
THE, UH, AND SO WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT AGAIN AND, AND WE'LL AT LEAST ONE OF THEM I THINK WE'LL TRY TO LINE UP WITH, WITH THEIR REGULAR POA MEETING, ONE OF THE POA MEETINGS.
BUT IT'LL BE ONE DURING THE DAY HOURS, TRADITIONAL WORK HOURS AND ONE IN THE EVENING.
ALRIGHT, WELL, THOUGHTS, DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAVE SIX MINUTES LEFT BEFORE WE ASK
UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GONNA GO INTO THE UDO, BUT KIND OF DEMARCATE, WHICH LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED AND WHAT RIGHTS ARE ASSOCIATED OR WERE PURCHASED WITH THE LOT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IF THERE'S 12,000 UNITS ASSOCIATED TO ONE, LIKE WHERE IS THAT AND YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WOULD I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, NICOLE.
THE VACANT LOT THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE SITUATED ON THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN HOW MANY DEVELOPMENT UNITS WERE SOLD WITH THAT PARCEL.
LIKE ARE, ARE THEY VACANT ONES? JUST THE ONES IN LIGHT BROWN? IT LITERALLY IS ALL ACROSS THE FRONT HERE AND THE TOWN.
LIKE SO THE NINE RDUS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT FOR SOME REASON THERE WAS NO TRIGGER TO ACTUALLY BUILD THEM.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE PROPERTY ASSIGNED.
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AND 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DOESN'T HAVE PROPERTY ASSIGNED.SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO INTO THE BANK.
THAT'S IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT GOES INTO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WHY LET THE BANK KEEP THAT? I HATE THAT THE NINE WAS WORKFORCE AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT AND IT NEVER WAS.
BUT THAT COULD GO BACK TO THE TOWN AS PART OF, THEY COULD GO TO SOMETHING ELSE.
IT COULD JUST, I THINK THE EASIEST MOVE AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL, BUT MY THOUGHT IS THE EASIEST MOVE IS TO JUST LET IT GO AWAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TOO WITH THE NINE RDU.
UH, I MEAN, BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR THE COMMERCIAL TOO, RIGHT? THE 30,000 AND ODD SQUARE FEET? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS ON THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT ASSIGNED TO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE ASSIGNED.
WELL IF WE GET SOME ANSWERS ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SQUARE FOOT WOULD GO TO THE DENSITY BANK IF, UM, AND IT'S EXPIRED.
THE TOWN'S DENSITY BANK THAT 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL WOOD.
DOES IT HAVE TO WHAT, WHAT IT WAS? WE, WE, WE HAVE HOLDINGS AS WELL.
BUT, BUT THESE WOULD BE HOLDINGS AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET THAT COULD ONLY BE USED WITHIN SEAGRASS STATION AND THEY DON'T HAVE, WE'LL HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE WHEN WE COME BACK.
AND, AND PART OF THE, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANT IT TO DISAPPEAR IS, OKAY, LET'S PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
A A FIRE SWEEPS THROUGH THE HOTEL THAT'S THERE AND THEY WANNA BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S 30,000 SQUARE FEET BIGGER.
THEY CAN DO IT BECAUSE THAT EXISTS.
BUT IF IT GOES AWAY, THEY CAN'T.
AND WHEN THE TABLE IN THE UDO HAS ALL OF THE CONDITIONAL USES FOR PERMITTED USE TABLE THAT GOES BACK TO THIS, THAT'S WHY IT'S CONDITIONAL.
'CAUSE IT'S ONLY PER YES, BECAUSE YEAH.
THE CONDITION IS YOU GOTTA MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF APPENDIX B.
WHICH IS, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT NOBODY CAN ADD ON TO EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL? LIKE THEY CAN'T BUILD MORE.
THEY RIGHT NOW ENCOMPASSES DOING AN ADDITION TO THEIR EXISTING BUILDING.
'CAUSE THEY HAD, THEY ACQUIRED ADDITIONAL, OR ALREADY DID, DIDN'T UTILIZE ALL OF THEIR COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THEY'RE ADDING A WING TO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, IT WOULD GOOD TO KNOW.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF THE CONVENIENCE STORE PEOPLE HAD 15,000 SQUARE FEET THEY COULD BUILD AND THEY ONLY BUILD 8,000, THEY COULD ADD ONTO IT LATER.
IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO KNOW WHAT IS LEFT OF DEVELOPED LOTS THAT THEY HAVE NOT USED? WHAT WHAT, LIKE IF THEY HAD IT, IF SOME OF THE DEVELOPED LOTS HAD 12,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY ONLY BUILT 8,000, IS THAT TRACKED SOMEWHERE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, LIKE INCOME IS JUST USE THEIR YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE NOT JUST THE UNDEVELOPED LOTS, BUT ALSO THE LOT, ANY OF THE LOTS THAT HAVE REMAINING UNUSED DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE THEN I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT TRACKED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU LOOK AT NO, BUT PEOPLE COME BACK FOR ADDITIONS OR RENOVATIONS OR WHATEVER TO THESE PROPERTIES TO KNOW WHAT THEY CAN.
WELL LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE CAR VILLAGE HAS 80,000 SQUARE FEET ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THEY'RE NEVER GONNA COME IN WITH THE CAR VILLAGE NOW.
SO WHAT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND ONLY USED 40,000 SQUARE FEET? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? HAVE YOU HAD SOMEBODY COME IN BY
THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY CAME IN AND, UH, WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING WITH IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY JUST PURCHASED PROPERLY AND THEY HAVEN'T FALLEN THROUGH WITH ANYTHING ON, AGAIN, MY COMPETITORS THEIR HVAC.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S A LOT OF TRUCKS TO PUT ON THE BACK END OF HOUSES.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
IT USED TO BE CHARLIE AND BROWN OWNED IT AND, AND, UH, THEY SOLD IT.
THEY APPARENTLY WEREN'T GONNA FOLLOW THROUGH.
I THINK THEIR BUSINESS MODEL WAS TRY TO PRE-SELL MM-HMM
AND IF THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH PRE-SALES, THEY CAN'T BUILD A BUILDING.
AND SO, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLEARED THE LOT.
NO, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLEARED THE LOT.
CLEARED THE LOT SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE.
NO, I, I KNOW A LOT OF GUYS THAT TALKED ABOUT IT AND SAID NO, IT'S RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE.
UM, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE RICHARDSON AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE DEAL WITH THIS? YEP.
BECAUSE IT, IT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH, WITH, UH, THAT HE'S HAD WITH, WITH THE BANK.
THAT'S ON PURPOSE, BUT HE'S NOT HERE THIS TIME AND HE'LL BE HERE NEXT TIME.
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ANY AN ANY QUESTIONS HE WAS ANSWERING THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PREMATURE I THINK, YOU KNOW.WHAT DO WE THINK, GUYS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS? THANK YOU MR. FRAZIER.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON ANY TOPIC? JUST GET THE NOTE, YOU KNOW, THE DATES FOR THE MEETINGS AND THAT'S IT.
WE WILL, WE WILL INFORM YOU ONCE WE SCHEDULE.
BE GOOD FOR SOME OF US TO SHOW UP TO THOSE MEETINGS.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE VERBIAGE IN SO THAT IF ALL OF US SHOW UP.
SO WE GO OUT LIKE OUR NORMAL AGENDAS DO BECAUSE WE CAN'T JUST NOTIFY THE POA, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AND THE MEDIA.
SO IT'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, GO OUT.
YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE A MEETING AT SUCH AND SUCH FOR THIS POAA FORM MAY BE PRESENT.
NO BUSINESS WILL BE DISCUSSED.
AND DAN, YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO MEETINGS? ONE DURING THE DAY, ONE IN IN THE EVENING.
DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A MOTION? MOTION ADJOURN.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.