Jul 01, 2026 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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UH, THE

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UH, MOVING ON

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TO THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

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MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS

[VII.1. 36 Wharf Street (COFA-03-25-019657): A request by the Applicant, Jamie Guscio (Kingfisher Construction), on behalf of Kathy Barbina and Tim Harris, Owners, for approval of an amended Certificate of Appropriateness-HD (COFA-HD) to allow the installation of alternate exterior doors. The property is in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD). (Staff -Charlotte Moore)]

36 WAR STREET OR QUEST BY THE APPLICANT, JAMIE GUCCIO, KING FISHER CONSTRUCTION ON BEHALF OF KATHY BARINA AND TIM HARRIS.

OWNERS FOR APPROVAL OF AN AMENDED C-O-A-H-D TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF ALTERNATE EXTERIOR DOORS.

THE PROPERTY IS AN OLD TOWN LEFT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

GENERAL HD.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, THIS ITEM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

IT IS AN AMENDMENT, UM, TO REVIEW, UH, THREE PROPOSED DOORS.

UH, STAFF, UH, SHOWED UP AT THE PROPERTY TO DO A ROUGH INSPECTION AND NOTICE THAT, UH, A COUPLE OF DOORS HAD BEEN INSTALLED THAT WERE NOT APPROVED ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, IT IS LOCATED HERE IN THIS LIGHT BLUE.

THIS FRONT, UH, IS VISIBLE FROM WARD STREET, AND SO THE DOORS ARE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

THE LEFT ELEVATION HERE YOU CAN SEE WAS APPROVED WITH A HALF PANEL DOOR.

UH, WHAT WAS INSTALLED OR IS INSTALLED CURRENTLY IS A, UH, A FULL LIGHT DOOR WITH, UH, BLINDS THAT ARE INSET INTO THE GLASS.

AND THAT IS NOT TYPICAL OF ANYTHING WE HAVE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, OR HPC HAS APPROVED.

AND SO THIS IS COMING BEFORE YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

UH, THERE WAS AN OPENING THAT WAS ADDED, UH, AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THE KOFA WAS APPROVED.

WE DID IDENTIFY THIS, UH, ON OUR INSPECTION AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, UH, ORDINANCE ADMINISTRATOR DID APPROVE THAT OPENING WILL NEED TO APPROVE TONIGHT, THE DOOR OR NOT.

UM, THE, THE DOOR FOR THIS PARTICULAR OPENING, UM, APPEARS TO BE INCONSISTENT.

I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN A MOMENT.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR AT THE SECOND FLOOR ALSO IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED COFA.

THE COFA APPROVED THE SAME DOOR TYPE AS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THE HALF PANEL DOOR.

THIS IS WHAT IS INSTALLED AT THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT'S A FULL LIGHT DOOR WITH, UM, A GRID PATTERN.

AND I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THAT'S, UH, GLUED ON HOW THAT'S INSET THERE.

UM, BUT IT'S SHOWING, UH, FOUR LIGHTS.

AND THAT IS A SIMILAR PATTERN THAT IS SHOWN ON THE BACK DOOR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

AND I CAN ZOOM IN ON THESE IF YOU NEED MORE DETAIL.

AND THEN FOR THE GARAGE DOOR, THE SIDE DOOR, UM, THIS PARTICULAR DOOR HAS NOT YET BEEN INSTALLED.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A WAITING FOR WAITING APPROVAL BEFORE INSTALLATION.

UH, IT'S A FULL PANEL DOOR WITH THE, UM, THE SMALLER SQUARE LIGHTS THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP.

AND I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH CUT SHEETS ON ALL OF THESE DOORS IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE MATERIALS.

SO THERE ARE FOUR REVIEW CRITERIA THAT WE APPLY WHEN LOOKING AT, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION WITHIN OLD TOWN.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN, WHICH CALLED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FORM-BASED CODE, UM, WHICH IS, UM, OUR WAY OF MAKING CERTAIN THAT ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION INCLUDES MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURE, UM, THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE VERNACULAR OF OLD TOWN AS WELL AS THE USE OF AUTHENTIC MATERIALS.

UM, THE SECOND CRITERIA WE DON'T BELIEVE COMPLIES WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

IT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF THE, UH, VERNACULAR OF OLD TOWN.

AND THEN THE LAST TWO CRITERIA THREE

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DOES NOT APPLY.

AND FOUR, UM, THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET WITH FOR THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL, THE APPLICATION ITSELF.

SO THAT IS COMPLETE.

SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT, AGAIN, IS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THESE ALTERNATE DOOR TYPES.

YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION STAFF DID NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A DE UM, A SUGGESTED RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A DETERMINATION.

UM, SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE IT OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, YOU WILL NEED TO INCLUDE THOSE CONDITIONS.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND THE QUESTIONS PURELY ON THE DOOR DESIGNS THEMSELVES, THE DOOR LOCATIONS WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND CORRECT THAT NEW DOOR LOCATION.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, GO AHEAD.

YOU MIGHT HAVE THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE.

GO AHEAD.

NO, THE, THE ADDED DOORWAY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR, WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED, WAS THERE A DOOR STYLE THAT WAS REQUESTED WITH IT OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING? NO, THAT'S WHAT WE IDENTIFIED AT OUR INSPECTION.

WE SAW THAT THERE WAS AN OPENING THAT WAS, UH, CREATED WITHOUT APPROVAL, KOFA APPROVAL.

UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN THE REAR, UM, BEHIND, USUALLY THE DOORS WOULD ALIGN.

UM, IN THIS CASE THEY COULD NOT BECAUSE IN THE REAR THERE IS A BATHROOM IN THAT AREA THAT IS NOT THE GARAGE.

THE GARAGE ESSENTIALLY ENDS VERY CLOSE TO THAT DOOR OPENING.

SO THE BEAUTY ADMINISTRATOR DIDN'T SAY WITH THIS HOLE, THIS IS THE DOOR BASED ON OUR ONLY, THE OPENING WAS APPROVED, NOT THE DOOR.

NO, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN REGARDS TO, I GUESS THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT TO WHERE THE CHANGES CAME IN FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED, WHY DID THEY DIVVY FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

SO NO, THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT, NOT FOR STAFF.

CHARLOTTE.

UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE, UH, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

JAMIE GUO, UM, REPRESENTING OFFICER KING FISHER CONSTRUCTION LIEUTENANT, UH, KATHY.

THE, THE DOOR ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, THEY WERE APPROVED FROM THE, WITH THE HALF LIGHT, THE OWNERS DID PURCHASE THE FULL LIGHT DOORS.

THE ONE ON THE TOP OF THE STAIRS HAS THE SDLS IN IT, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM.

WE CAN ADD SDLS TO MAKE IT LOOK, MAKE THOSE TWO ALIKE.

THE ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THE GARAGE, WHEN THE REVIEWER WAS REVIEWING THE PLANS FOR THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD MENTIONED, UH, IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A, AN OPERABLE GARAGE DOOR, WELL, YES, WE ARE BEING UP AND DOWN, SAID, WELL, IT DOESN'T MATCH, UH, MEET INGRESS EGRESS IN THE BACK OF THE GARAGE FOR THAT NEEDING A DOOR.

SO THAT'S WHY WE, I BASICALLY BUILT IT WITH THE DOOR THERE JUST IN CASE WE ACTUALLY NEEDED IT.

BUT WE, WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT WE DID NEED IT, IT WAS KIND OF A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT REASON.

SO AND SO THE LOCATION OF THE DOOR HAS BEEN THE LOCATION THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CLOSEST TO LOCATION.

I COULD GET THE WEATHER BECAUSE THERE IS A, A WALL ABOUT FOUR INCHES AWAY FROM THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT DOOR TO THE RIGHT.

SURE.

BUT, AND THE UDO ADMINISTRATORS ALREADY APPROVED THE LOCATION, SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE HERE FOR UNDER THE STAIRS.

WELL, I JUST KIND OF EXPLAINING WHY THAT DOOR WAS ADDED FOR THAT RE FOR THAT INGRESS EGRESS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

GOOD POINT.

NOT JUST SAYING NO, IT'S GONNA ADD DOORS WHEREVER WE CAN, BUT ABSOLUTELY.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT ONE.

SO, AND ALL OF THE DOORS HAVE THE PLASTIC STOP OG LECTIN THING HOLDING IN THE GLASS.

YES.

AND ONCE THEY GET PAINTED, YOU WON'T SEE IT JUST RIGHT NOW.

ESPECIALLY THAT ONE THAT, THAT, THAT THE PICTURE OF THE, IN THE GARAGE, YOU CAN SEE THE THE COLOR YEAH, THE COLOR THAT, YEAH, THE COLOR WILL CHANGE WOULD ESSENTIALLY MATCH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS LIKE THE FLOOR, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE ELECTRO LAYOUT, UH, THE ORIGINAL PLANS, THERE'S NO, IT'S JUST A GARAGE DOOR AND THERE'S LIKE NOWHERE ELSE TO ESCAPE OTHER THAN THE GARAGE DOOR.

WE GET FIRE CODE RECOMMENDATIONS NOW ON HVAC AND ALL.

SO THERE, I MEAN, NOT EVEN TO GET INTO THE MAIN PART OF THE UNIT.

SO YEAH, I MEAN THEY WOULD NEED A DOOR.

AND I GUESS THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA KIND OF ADD A STACK ON THAT IS, IS THE CHANGE LIKE THIS, SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN AN EMAIL TO YOU? OR, I GUESS MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ALL PICKED IT UP AT SOME POINT.

I GUESS SOMEWHERE THAT

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UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO KNOW FOR THE FUTURE IF WE JUST HAVE A GARAGE DOOR AND THERE'S NO OTHER DOOR, WHICH I DON'T QUITE UNDERS, IT WAS NO OTHER DOOR TO GET ANYWHERE.

I, IT'S, IT'S UP TO INTERPRETATION THAT, THAT THE WRITING OF THAT, OF THE CODE IS KIND OF RIGHT.

IT'S A GRAY AREA, BUT ONCE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT'S KIND OF YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GO DO IT.

SURE.

IT'S A HABIT.

IT'S A HABITABLE SPACE AND YOU CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THE SPRING, EVEN IF THERE WAS, I HIT THAT POPS UP.

I GUESS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE, UM, WHAT IS THAT NEXT STEP A BUILDER SHOULD DO WITH STAFF? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW OR WE WOULDN'T BE MEETING HERE TONIGHT.

AND I WAS, WHAT I WAS ALSO WAS TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD DO AN INTERIOR DOOR BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE LEFT LIVING SPACE.

THERE'S AN OPENING RIGHT THERE.

BUT SEE, HOMEOWNER, THEY, THEY'D RATHER HAVE AN OUTSIDE.

SO IT'S KIND OF SEPARATE.

I GUESS MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE LIKE THE CALL SHOULD GO TO, TO, UM, CHARLOTTE'S I JUST INTERRUPTED YOU.

I'M SORRY, JOAN.

OH NO, NO, I, I WAS GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE THERE'S A, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, THE PICTURE OF WHERE, WHAT IT'S AT NOW, I MEAN, THERE'S AN OPENING IN THE GARAGE, BUT THAT LIKE GOES INTO WHERE THE BATHROOM WOULD BE I GUESS.

BUT I, I I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED WHAT THE INTERIOR UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT INGRESS EGRESS, LIKE IF THERE IS AN OPENING IN THE GARAGE TO GET TO THE INTERIOR UNIT AND THERE'S A DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOM, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR INGRESS EGRESS OR IS THAT, I I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT ONE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS WE WILL KEEP, I'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE DOOR 'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR AND I THINK WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE APPROVED THAT JUST IN DUE COURSE THAT LOCATION.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET FOR A PROCESS TO KEEP SURE.

HAVING A MEETING WITH SOMETHING THAT WE YEAH, I WOULD ASSUME LIKE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.

SO DO WE, BECAUSE I MEAN IT'S CHARLOTTE, I MEAN, AND THEN ON THE OTHER DOORS, I, I HATE IT, BUT WE'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I KNOW OWNERS DON'T ALWAYS KNOW AND THEY'D LIKE TO CUT COSTS ON THINGS, BUT THEY WERE APPROVED AND YOU WERE HERE FOR IT TO KNOW WHAT DOORS SHOULD BE THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HUNG UP ON A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR LENIENCY FOR THOSE TWO DOORS TO CHANGE FROM HALF LIGHT TO A FULL LIGHT.

IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY JUST THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE, LIKE THE WAY THAT THE GLASS IS INSTALLED WITH THAT STOP IS VERY, VERY NON-TRADITIONAL DETAIL.

AND IT'S KIND OF, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MATERIALS FOR DOORS IN THE UDO, IT'S UM, WOOD METAL OR METAL CLAD AND THAT'S BRINGING IN COMPOSITE MATERIALS THAT KIND OF AREN'T PART OF THE PERMITTED FINISHES FOR THE UDO AND A VERY NON-TRADITIONAL LOOK THAT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE APPROVED IN THE, IN MY OPINION, WE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IN THE FIRST RUN.

WE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE DESIGN OF THE DOORS? I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED IS TO APPROVE THE NEW DESIGN AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE IS KIND OF YOU GUYS GETTING A CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AND MAKING A CHANGE TO THE EXISTING PLANS.

I MEAN YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT SIX PANEL THAT THAT'S VERY NON-TRADITIONAL SIX PANEL WITH THE GLASS SIX PANEL IS TRADITIONAL, BUT THE GLASS AT THE TOP ONE IN THE GARAGE IS DEFINITELY NOT HISTORIC AT ALL.

AND THAT ONE IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

THE OTHER ONES I DO HAVE CONCERN, BUT THAT ONE IS, IS I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER APPROVED ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN DOWNTOWN HISTORIC.

IS THERE A SIX PANEL DOOR ON THAT HOUSE? EXTERIOR ANYWHERE? YEAH.

NO, I THINK THAT THAT ONE'S EXTREMELY FOREIGN TO THE THE HOUSE.

LIKE ON A VIEW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT IN DESIGN, I WOULD NEVER GET ELSE LANE, BUT I'M TRYING, I'M ALSO A HOMEOWNER AND I KNOW THERE PLACES YOU CAN FIND THINGS AND CUT COST.

ARE THEY THE SAME EXACT SIZE DOORS? ALL THREE OF THEM.

SEE I'M NOT SO WORRIED I GO TO THEM IN THE UDO ON MATERIALS.

MATERIALS HAVE TO RELY ON THE UDO.

SO THAT MIGHT BE THE HANG UP ON ALL OF THEM.

BUT IF ANY OF THE OTHER TWO DOORS WOULD NORMALLY BE APPROVED IN THE DISTRICT, COULD THEY GO UNDER THE, THE STEPS AND THEN ABIDE BY YOUR APPROVAL ON THE OTHER TWO DOORS? I'M, I'M JUST THINKING HOW CAN WE BEST AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU'RE NOT, UM, WOOD METAL OR WELL, I MEAN I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE OPEN TO A FULL LIGHT DOOR PERHAPS

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BUT IT'S THE WAY, I MEAN THE WAY THAT KIND OF, YOU SEE THE GLASS IS INSTALLED IN THAT LIKE WELL I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD DOOR.

AND THIS, THAT THE WAY THAT THE FULL LIGHT DOORS ARE ALSO INSTALLED AND HAVING THE MINI BLINDS AND STUFF, ALL OF THAT IS LIKE VERY SPECIFIC MODERN, VERY MODERN CONSTRUCTION.

UM, AND NOT AT ALL REALLY HISTORIC TYPE STUFF.

BUT TO KEEP WITH OUR CON I THAT'S THE QUESTION.

UM, I'LL GO WITH Y'ALL BUT KEEP WITH WHAT WAS AGREED UPON BY THIS BODY.

COULD THE UPSTAIRS DOOR, THAT UPSTAIRS DOOR IS A TYPICAL DOOR THAT'S ALL PAINTED WITH THE, THE GRIDS PUT IN.

COULD THAT GO UNDERNEATH THE STEPS AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THE TWO DOORS RATHER THAN REPLACE ALL THREE? 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THIS ONE IN THE GARAGE AND IT CLEARLY DOESN'T ABIDE BY.

UH, I MEAN YOU SAID YOU'RE MATCHING THE DOOR IN THE HOUSE.

DO WE HAVE THAT PICTURE JUST SO WE HAVE A REFERENCE TO IT? SO THE DOOR ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED.

THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT DOOR.

THAT IS BACK DOOR.

HMM.

UH, JUST IN THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT DOOR IS MANUFACTURED AND PUT TOGETHER IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE DOORS THAT ARE THERE.

THE SPECIFIC DOOR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ON SITE THAT HAS STEEL DOOR WITH ALL THE RUBBER STOPS HOLDING IN THE GLASS, ALL OF THAT IS VERY MUCH NOT A HISTORIC DISTRICT TYPE OF DOOR.

I MEAN IT'S A METAL CLA WITH THE, THAT FRAMING HOLDING THAT WINDOW IN.

SO I MEAN THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S HOW THE MANUFACTURER MEAN.

YEAH, THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE, I MEAN I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE APPROVED THAT IF THAT WAS A CUT SHEET THAT WE WERE GIVEN THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

IT KIND OF SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

ARE WE, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? UH, SURE.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO THE, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

WE CHANGED THE PLANTS, BUT WHEN YOU GET IN FRONT OF THE SHOWROOM AND THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN DOORS YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR CATALOG, IT'S JUST KIND OF HARD TO SEE.

YOU PICK THOSE DOORS WILL BE ALL PAINTED BLACK EXTERIOR.

SO YOU WON'T SEE THE WHITE, YOU WON'T SEE THE GRAY.

IT'LL ALL BE ONE SOLID COLOR, TURN THE MICROPHONE, IT'LL ALL BE ONE SOLID COLOR AND THEN THE DOWNSTAIRS DOOR WILL ALSO, WE CAN PUT THE GRID IN THAT CAME WITH THE GRID IN AND THE UM, BUILDER SAID THAT, OR THE SUPPLY COMPANY SAID THAT WE CAN PUT GRID IN FOR THE BOTTOM ONE AND THAT ONE WILL BE ALL BLACK AS WELL.

THE DOWNSTAIRS, I APPRECIATE THE COLOR.

WE REALLY DON'T HAVE COLOR OVERSIGHT IN NAME, BUT I CAN CHANGE THE COLOR AT ANY POINT IN TIME.

BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR CHANGING ON YOU GUYS, BUT WHEN WE GET THERE, IT'S JUST THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT THERE AND IT WAS JUST, YOU'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH A CATALOG TO SELECTING SO AT THE SUPPLIER.

SO SURE, SURE.

APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT NOT INTENTIONAL.

IS THAT UNDERSTANDING CORRECT.

BEFORE WE MOVE AND MAKE A DECISION, DON'T WE HAVE TO DECIDE THE TYPE OF DOOR UNDER THE STEPS? UH, ARE WE GONNA KEEP 'EM ALL THE SAME 62 DOORS IN QUESTION? WE'RE THE SAME.

ARE WE THEN GONNA REQUIRE THE THIRD DOOR TO BE THE SAME? I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO.

I THINK IN MY UNDER, UH, I, WELL REALLY, REALLY IN MY, IF I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, IT WOULD BE FOR A DENIAL AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY CREATE A CONDITION OF DENIAL.

NO, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE A DOOR TIGHT FOR THE NEW HOLE.

WELL I THINK IT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THEM TO COME BACK TO US WITH A NEW OKAY, I GOTCHA.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I, WELL I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.

BUT I CAN WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND.

I JUST HATE, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST FOLLOWED THE, I GET THAT.

BUT WE ARE HERE.

CAN WE, AND WE'VE MADE CONDITIONS BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN NOW THAT THE BUILDER COULD SAY WE COULD DO THIS DOOR OR THIS DOOR OR MAYBE GO AHEAD AND CONFIRM THEY DO JUST A SOLID METAL.

'CAUSE THIS WITHOUT THE BLACK LIGHTS WOULD BE APPROVED.

WE YEAH, WE'VE APPROVED THAT IN THE PAST.

WITH AN ALTERNATE DOOR DESIGN FOR THAT ONE? THAT IS, I MEAN THERE'S ALREADY TWO APPROVED DESIGNS FOR THE TWO DOORS, UM, THAT WERE EXISTING, BUT THE THIRD DOOR DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A DESIGN RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN I'VE GOTTEN THAT APPROVED.

I'M JUST HAVING TO COME BACK.

AND ON THE, I MEAN IS THAT CHARLOTTE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD APPROVE IF WE GAVE A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON THEY NEED TO, YES.

YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO DO LIKE APPROVE A FORWARD PANEL DOOR I THINK IS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN TIM WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GET AT.

I MEAN TYPICALLY WE'VE HAD I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER SAL YEAH.

SALKA IS LOOKING FOR IS THAT WE PROVIDE SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE TO HELP YOU GUYS.

SHOULD THEY COME UP

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CORRECT.

SO YES, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, I'M SORRY.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON WHAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE, WHY WOULD THE DOORS NOT JUST MATCH THE THIRD DOOR, NOT MATCH THE PLANS TO BEGIN WITH THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED IT WASN'T THERE.

IT WASN'T THERE.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

BUT LIKE, I MEAN THAT, THAT SHOULD, THAT SHOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY YES.

GO TO THE SAME DOOR THAT WE OF THE DOORS THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED.

CORRECT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

WITH YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT WOULD BE THE CONDITION.

I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FOR YOU OR, OR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT THEN STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE APPROVING LEVEL, SAME ALL THE, IF YOU GUYS COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY, IF YOU APPROVE IT AT THE APPROVED ALL WELL DESIGN MAKE ALL THREE DOORS THE SAME.

YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.

NEITHER.

NO.

WELL WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT AS A MOTION NOW.

STAFF CAN STAFF APPROVE THAT.

GOTCHA.

LEMME JUST, COMMISSIONER WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION THAT, I MEAN IF HELP STAFF WITH THE CONFIDENCE ON, IN MY OPINION, THEY WERE ALREADY APPROVED THE DOOR, THAT'S THE DOOR THAT NEEDS TO GO WITH THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.

IT'S A NEW OPENING BUT YEAH, THEY WANT A DIFFERENT DOOR THAN THEY, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

UH, SO WITHOUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR THE, SORRY FOR THE GARAGE DOOR.

ALL THREE OF IT DID.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT.

SO, WELL I THINK WE, WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE WITH DOOR THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED IN THE PLANS AND THEN IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE HPC.

I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION FOR THE HOMEOWNERS IS THEY, THEY DON'T WANT A GLASS DOOR IN THEIR GARAGE SPACE.

MM-HMM .

THEY COULD DO A, A SIX PANEL SOLID AND NOT HAVE THE GLASS UP TOP.

WOULD THAT BE PERMISSIBLE? ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR SPACE? IT'S JUST THAT UNDER STAIRS IT DOESN'T YEAH, I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.

BUT THE OTHER TWO NEEDS TO BE GO BACK TO, TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHT, I THINK THOSE AGREE.

MY GARAGE, THE GARAGE DOOR IS THE MAIN QUESTION FOR ME.

I MEAN WHAT, ARE THERE ANY SOLID DOORS IN THE HOUSE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? NOT OUTSIDE, JUST INSIDE.

SO NO MATTER WHAT WE PUT, IT'S GONNA BE FOUR AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS SIX PANEL, IT COULD BE SIX PANEL, COULD BE TWO PANEL SOLID DOOR IS THERE LIKE IT'S NOTHING THAT'S, IT'S NOT MATCHING THE HOUSE AT ALL.

SO CAN WE ASK THE HOMEOWNER, LIKE, IS THERE A REASON YOU WANT A SOLID DOOR? IS IT JUST FOR SECURITY ESSENTIALLY? IS IT YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY LOOKING IN IT OR, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BUT ALSO YEAH, I GET THAT.

SO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SIX PANEL.

IT CAN BE, I MEAN IF, IF YOU HAVE A GLASS YOU CAN ALWAYS BLACK IT OUT, YOU KNOW.

WELL YOU COULD DO, IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY, YOU CAN DO ANOTHER SOLID DOOR.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SIX PANEL.

THEY MAKE OTHER SOLID DOORS.

YEAH, I MEAN I'M OKAY WITH APPROPRIATE.

I'M OKAY WITH THE SOLID DOOR.

I JUST WANT MAKE SURE WE APPROVE IT BEFORE WE GET OUTTA HERE.

WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THAT.

WE'RE JUST KIND OF PROVIDING SOME BACKGROUND DISCUSSION.

SO STAFF, WHEN THEY SUBMIT SOMETHING TO STAFF, THEY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE, IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO THE, TO DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? UH, WITH THE ADD IN THE GUIDANCE? ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE GUIDANCE? SO THE TWO, THE TWO DOORS THAT WERE APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL COFA, THOSE WILL BE, THE DOORS REMAIN APPROVED AND THEN THE GARAGE DOOR WILL BE A STAFF APPROVAL? YES.

ALRIGHT.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION HAS PASSED AND THE APPLICATION IS DENIED.