May 06, 2026 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

COMMISSIONER JIM PESS.

COMMISSIONER TIM PROBES.

COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER COMMISSIONER LISA SFA.

COMMISSIONER MICHAEL SUTCLIFFE HERE.

UH, NOTES REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.

UH, THIS,

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NINE 30 MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AT DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UH, MOVING ON TO

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 4TH, 2026 MEETING.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? I MOVE? SO, OKAY, SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR ACCEPTING THE MEETING MINUTES.

AYE, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED.

UH, MOVING ON TO NEW

[VII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness (204 Bluffton Road): A request by Thomas Michaels, Jr. (SM7 Design, LLC), Applicant, on behalf of 204 Bluffton Road, LLC, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness to allow the construction of a 3-story 3,978 SF Main Street Building at 204 Bluffton Road. The property is in the Promenade development in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Core-Historic District (NC-HD). (COFA-12-25-020072) (Staff-Charlotte Moore)]

BUSINESS AS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 2 0 4 BLUFFTON ROAD, OR REQUEST BY THOMAS MICHAEL JR.

SM SEVEN DESIGN APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF 2 0 4 BLUFFTON ROAD, LLC OWNER.

NOT NECESSARILY BE IN ALIGNMENT.

UH, THE, THIS IS ON, UM, THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE PROMENADE AND YOU SEE HER FROM THE AERIAL WHERE THE STAR'S LOCATED.

IT'S THE LAST VACANT LOT FRONTING LUPTON ROAD.

UH, THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT.

TYPICALLY, THEY GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THE PROMENADE WAS APPROVED SOME YEARS AGO.

SO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS APPROVED, UM, IN THE PAST.

SO THIS PROPERTY, UH, THAT YOU SEE HERE, LOT EIGHT, UH, THERE'S THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LOT, UH, THE GRID, THE COMMON AREA IS WHERE THE, UM, STAIRS AND SERVICE YARD, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING WILL BE LOCATED.

AND THIS ITEM WAS REVIEWED BY PROMENADE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.

AND THAT LETTER IS WITHIN THE PACKET.

HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM BLUFFTON ROAD AND THE PROPERTY, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS A PHOTO TAKEN FROM PROPERTY.

HERE IS THE SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AGAIN, THE, UH, FOOTPRINT THAT YOU SAW WILL BE THE ENTIRETY, UH, OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S ROUGHLY 1,326 SQUARE FEET.

THE TOTAL BUILDING WILL BE JUST UNDER 4,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT IS A 80 STREET BUILDING.

THERE WILL BE FOUR DETERMINATIONS TONIGHT THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE.

AND BEFORE I SHOW YOU THE ELEVATIONS, I DO WANNA JUST POINT THESE OUT.

THEY RELATE TO THE WINDOW MATERIAL, UH, POWDER COATED ALUMINUM FOR RAILINGS, THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND THE RIGHT MIRROR ELEVATIONS, AND THE SPACING OF THE COLUMNS AND THE POSTS.

AND HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE THREE STORIES.

MAIN STREET BUILDING.

THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE, UH, STOREFRONT AND OFFICE.

AND WE'LL HAVE A STOREFRONT APPEARANCE.

THE WALL WILL BE PLAT AND BRICK.

WE DO HAVE A SAMPLE BRICK HERE.

AND, UH, APPLICANT INDICATED THAT IT WOULD BE GEORGETOWN, WHICH, UH, YOU SEE HERE, BUT APPARENTLY IT COULD BE OLD SAVANNAH OR, UH, SAVANNAH GRAY RATHER.

UH, APPARENTLY IT'S EASIER TO GET, UH, SAVANNAH GRAY THESE DAYS THAN IT IS THE BRICK THAT WAS IDENTIFIED.

AND THE APPLICANT WILL SPEAK TO THAT IF NEED BE.

UM, THE UPPER TWO FLOORS WILL BE CLAD IN, UH, HORIZONTAL HARDY LAP SIDING.

YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMNS THERE AT THE PORCH ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES WILL BE WOOD.

THE BRACKETS ARE WOOD AS WELL.

UM, ARCHITECTURAL ASPHALT SHINGLES FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOF, THE, UH, SHED ROOF OVER THE PORCH WILL BE METAL.

IT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED WHETHER OR NOT IT'LL BE A STANDING SCENE OR FIVE B CRIMP.

SO WE'LL NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION ACCESS TO BOTH THE, UH, SECOND AND THIRD STORIES WILL BE VIA STAIRS YOU SEE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.

AND THERE WILL ALSO BE, UH, AN ELEVATOR ON THE INTERIOR HERE IS THAT LEFT ELEVATION, THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

AND YOU SEE THE WINDOWS, SMALLER WINDOWS SQUARE WINDOWS ARE PERMITTED BY THE UDO.

BUT, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH EACH OTHER, UM, VERTICALLY.

AND, UH, THERE ARE SOME, THERE MAY BE AN INSTANCE AT THE CORNER PROPERTY OF STATE OF MIND IN BLUFFTON ROAD WHERE THERE ARE SOME SMALLER SQUARE WINDOWS, UM, THAT MAY

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UM, HERE'S THE REAR ELEVATION AND THE SMALLER VIEW HERE ALLOWS US TO SEE INTO, UM, WHAT'S BEHIND THE, THE WOOD LOUVERS.

AND YOU SEE HERE THAT THERE IS A DOOR THAT'S A FULL LIGHT AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS AT THE DOOR, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT WITH THE FOUR LIGHTS.

AND HERE IS THE ROOF PLAN.

AND LET ME GO BACK 'CAUSE I DID MENTION, UM, I DID MENTION THE, UH, THE PORCH COLUMNS AND THE POST THAT THE UVO DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY, UH, SPACING BETWEEN THE POSTS AND THE COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, UH, FARTHER APART THAN THE POST.

AND THE COLUMNS ARE TALL.

AND SO IN EACH CASE ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION, THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THE REAR ELEVATION, THE POSTS AND THE COLUMNS ARE FARTHER APART.

AND I IDENTIFY WHAT THE DISTANCE IS HERE.

UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, 13 FEET, NINE INCHES IN THE REAR.

UH, THE LEFT ELEVATION, THE POSTS ARE 11 FEET IN WIDTH OR FAR APART.

AND THAT MEASUREMENT IS TAKEN FROM THE CENTER OF THE POST.

AND THEN IN THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, THE DISTANCE IS APPROXIMATELY 17 FEET, SIX INCHES.

SO I KNOW THAT WILL BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

HERE'S THE FLOOR PLANS IF WE NEED TO SEE THEM.

THE COLOR BOARD AS WELL.

AGAIN, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE BRICK MATERIAL MAY CHANGE.

AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE SAMPLE, WE COULD PASS THAT AROUND.

THERE ARE FOUR REVIEW CRITERIA, UM, THAT WE APPLIED WHEN REVIEWING A COFA.

UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, ONE, THREE, AND FOUR, UM, UH, WOULD COMPLY IF NUMBER TWO, IF THE CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS ARE APPROVED, THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE UDO.

AND THERE ARE FINDINGS HERE.

UM, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.

UH, THEY INCLUDE REVISING THE WINDOW PLAN, OR EXCUSE ME, REVISING THE PLAN TO SHOW THE WINDOWS AND DOORS LABELED BY TYPE TO REVISE THAT SERVICE DOOR IN THE REAR SERVICE AREA, UH, TO BE A FOUR LIGHT DOOR TO MATCH THE ADJACENT DOOR TO SHOW THE TYPE OF CONFIGURATION FOR THE METAL ROOF TO SHOW A RAILING DETAIL THAT WAS LACKING IN THE PLANS.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO POWDER COATED, AND THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, UM, FOR OTHER, UH, COFA APPLICATIONS.

UH, WE DID ASK FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE BRICK MANUFACTURER.

WE JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, UH, WHAT THE, UM, GEORGETOWN COLOR WAS.

SOMETIMES WHEN YOU RECEIVE THINGS, UH, THE PDF, THE COLOR SOMETIMES IS A LITTLE OFF.

SO THE APPLICANT DID BRING THAT INTO US.

UH, THIS EVENING.

UH, THE ELECTRIC METERS IN THE REAR ARE IN THE SERVICE AREA.

AND RIGHT HERE, UM, THERE IS POTENTIAL THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED.

THE UTILITY HAS BEEN REQUIRING, UH, ELECTRIC METERS TO COME OUT FROM UNDER PORCH AREAS.

AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THE, UH, SUGGESTION BY STAFF IS THAT THE, UM, ELECTRIC PANELS BE SCREENED BY LANDSCAPING OR SOME OTHER METHOD, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, DETERMINED TO BE APPROPRIATE BY THE HPC.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE, UH, SIDEWALK AND LANDSCAPING THAT APPEARS TO BE WITHIN THE BLUFFTON ROAD RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD THAT YOU SEE HERE.

SO THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT RECEIVED FROM SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THERE'S ALSO A SIGN, UH, THAT MAY NEED TO BE MOVED.

SO PERMISSION WILL NEED TO BE OBTAINED FROM UH, DOT.

SO REGARDING THE DETERMINATIONS, UM, WE'LL NEED TO DISCUSS A PLACEMENT OF ALL COLUMNS AND POSTS THAT ARE FARTHER APART THAN THEY'RE TALL.

UH, HPC CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT, UH, AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.

UH, TWO, IDENTIFYING WHETHER OR NOT THE PATTERN COATED ALUMINUM PORCH RAILINGS, BALLISTERS, AND HANDRAILS ARE APPROPRIATE.

THE USE OF THE GLASS ROOM MATERIAL, WHICH IS A FIBERGLASS HYBRID MATERIAL FOR THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.

AND THEN THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS IN THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS.

SO WITH THAT, UM, YOU MAY WANNA OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

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JUST A COUPLE OF MAYBE COMMON SENSE THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT, ALONG WITH THE COMMISSION, BUT THE DOOR BEHIND THE SCREEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY, UNLESS IT'S AN EQUAL EXPENSE.

WHY WE WOULD ADD THE EXPENSE TO A, AN OWNER WHEN THE DOORS CAN BE BEHIND A SCREEN PANEL.

SO I DON'T UNDER QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT UNLESS IT'S EASY AND IT'S AN EQUAL.

I JUST HATE TO PUT MORE COST ON A, ON A BUILDER.

UM, AND THEN THE WINDOWS, I'M JUST, I WENT OUT THERE AND WALKED THAT LOT.

THESE HOW THESE BUILDINGS ARE SIX FEET APART.

I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY TIGHT.

AND IF THEY HAVE HAD SOME IN PAST RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE A LITTLE OFFSET, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME SO MUCH AS IT WOULD IF IT WAS A PARCEL MUCH BIGGER.

YOU KNOW, IF IT ON A HUNDRED, IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY TWO FAULTS ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT GLASS STRAW.

YOU AND I WERE IN HBRC, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO I KNOW THESE ARCHITECTS KNOW IT'S A GOOD BRAND.

UM, AND THEN THE POWDER, I'M FINE.

WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

I THINK WE GOTTA GET TO A POINT WHERE THOSE THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW, THEY'RE APPROVED.

SO, UM, I THINK WHAT THEY LISTED AT HPRC WAS GOOD.

AND I HATE THAT CONDITIONS ARE HIGH, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT KIND OF FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

DID WE NOT KNOW? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT IT CROSSED OVER THE PROPERTY LINE WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT IT.

I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BUILDING BEING ON THE DOT EASEMENT.

THE, THE BUILDING IS NOT THE SIDEWALK CONNECTING TO, UH, THE SIDEWALK ROAD.

YEAH, THERE'S THIS VERY SMALL AREA.

SO WITH YOUR COLUMNS BEYOND THE, THE COLUMNS ARE NOT NO, THE COLUMNS ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

IT IS, BUT IT IS REALLY COMMON IN THE PROMENADE THAT IT'S A BUILD, LIKE THE OUTLINE OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN PORCH IS EXTEND PAST IT.

BUT IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK.

BUT 'CAUSE ALL OF THOSE, THEY ABUT TO THE SIDEWALK, THEY DO A LOCK IN IT.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL OF THOSE HAD TO HAVE HAD SOMETHING, AN ENCOURAGEMENT PERMIT.

PERMIT.

I DON'T THINK MOST OF 'EM HAVE COLUMNS THOUGH.

I THINK MOST OF 'EM HAVE BRACKETS.

BUT SHE SAID THE COLUMNS WEREN'T ENCRYPTING.

THEY ARE NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY THE SIDEWALK.

SIDEWALK JUST INTO THE COMMON PROPERTY THOUGH.

CORRECT? WE DO.

THAT'S WHICH HAS YEAH'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT FOR LIKE THE ON BEHALF OF PROJECT? WHO'S THE APPLICANT? ME, YOU.

UH, ME.

SORRY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, TOM FROM S SEVEN DESIGN.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.

THAT DOOR BEHIND THE SERVICE YARD IS A SOLID ONE PANEL DOOR TO MATCH, NO BLAZING OR ANYTHING IN IT, SO, OKAY.

ABOVE THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY ELSE? ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS? UH, WE SHOULD AT LEAST TALK ABOUT THE COLUMNS.

UH, THE COLUMN SPACE AND FIRE I THINK DIDN'T COME UP IN HPRC.

I KNOW THE MEETING I WAS AT, WE TALKED FOR AN HOUR.

UM, AND THE GIST WAS WE'RE GONNA REVISE THE ENTIRE PORCH DESIGN.

UM, I, IT SEEMS LIKE WE DIDN'T CATCH IT IN THE SECOND ROUND, BUT THAT'S BEEN PRETTY SPECIFICALLY APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL PROJECTS.

IT COMES UP QUITE OFTEN AND WE REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO RE SPACE COLUMNS.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I'M LEANING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS FEELING ABOUT THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THE HPC HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN APPLYING THAT IN THE PAST.

IT DIDN'T COME UP IN HPRC AND RIGHT.

BECAUSE THE ELEVATION NEEDED SO MUCH WORK.

IT WAS SO NICE TO SEE A, A NEW LOOK OF IT.

AND I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEW TO IT, SO I DIDN'T REALIZE THE COLUMN RULES WERE THE SAME AS THEY ARE ON LIKE, UM, CARPORTS SURE.

DOING THINGS.

I MEAN, AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DISCUSSION CARPORT COMES UP.

BOTTOM FLOOR TOO? IS IT ALL, IS THAT, ARE THOSE BRICK IT'S WRITTEN IN THE UDO THAT EVERY YEAH, IT, IT'S FOR ALL COLUMNS HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.

UM, I MEAN, I THINK THE RHYTHM OF THE MULES IN THE PORCH IS ALREADY KIND OF THERE, SO IT'D BE EASY TO SORT OF INCORPORATE THOSE COLUMNS IN, UM, WITHOUT BEING TOO ONEROUS.

I, HOW'S EVERYBODY ELSE FEELING ABOUT THAT REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, IT'S A REQUIREMENT, SO IT NEEDS TO BE MET.

DOES IT AFFECT THE

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THEY CAN'T BE, CAN'T BE, UH, WIRED THAN THEY TALLER, WIDER, AND TALLER.

BUT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO KIND OF TAKE THOSE TWO FLANKING WINDOWS ON THE STORE FRONT AND PULL 'EM OUT TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT TO GET ADDITIONAL COLUMNS IN THERE.

I LIKE TO COME UP TO THE RIGHT.

RIGHT.

UM, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS AND THIS IS THE LAST BUILDING IN THE PROMENADE.

UM, I THINK IT WILL AFFECT THE ENTIRE LOOK.

ONE, I'VE GOT TWO APARTMENTS UP THERE, AIRBNB, SO BY HAVING TWO COLUMNS THERE, AND I DO HAVE A DESIGN DEGREE, SO I KNOW THE 3D YOUR PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK THERE AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE MORE COLUMNS.

AND THIS IS SO CLEAN WHEN YOU THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET EATING, UM, WE'VE ED, UH, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS YOU'VE ASKED FOR.

SO I WOULD, UM, LOVE IF YOU JUST LET THIS ONE GO SO I CAN MOVE ON WITH MY BUSINESS.

I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR GOAL.

THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROMENADE, EVERY OTHER BUILDING IN THE PROMENADE HAS BEEN BUILT BY THOSE RULES.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY, EVERY BUILDING IN OLD TOWN HAS FOLLOWED THE COLUMN SPACING.

WELL, UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE IT DOESN'T COME UP BEFORE, BUT ALSO IF YOU GUYS HAD REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS IN THE COLUMN SECTION THAT THAT'S A SPECIFIC PIECE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD TOWN RULES, I'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THIS POINT.

SO AT SOME POINT IT REALLY BECOMES A HINDRANCE.

SO, UM, I MEAN MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE AN, EXCEPT IF IT'S JUST A COUPLE FEET.

SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.

I MEAN, I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE A PROCESS ARGUMENTS NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT OR KIND OF TOXING ENTIRE RULE OUT WHEN IT'S BEEN.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE CORE THINGS THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENTLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT DESIGNERS HAVE HAD TO WORK AROUND IN THE OLD TOWN.

UM, BEFORE YOU TALK, DID CHARLOTTE TELL US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN HEIGHT AND SURE.

LIKE FIND, WELL IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FIND HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE COLUMNS ARE ON THE ALL WAY ON THE OUTSIDE.

WELL I KNOW THAT I'M TRYING TO, YOU CAN SEE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT TWO FEET DIFFERENCE? IS IT, 'CAUSE THIS IS, WELL YOU HAVE TWO LITTLE POSTS RIGHT HERE.

CAN WE NOT JUST BRING THOSE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP? CAN WE NOT JUST BRING THOSE ALL THE WAY UP, JUST TWO POSTS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN CALL IT A DAY? I MEAN IT'S, HOW ABOUT THE FIRST ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, RIGHT? IT'S EVERYONE.

EVEN THE BOTTOM PART.

THE BOTTOM ONE I THINK IS MORE THE ISSUE.

I JUST, WHY IS THAT SUCH, I KNOW IT'S IN THE, IT'S A GUIDELINE FOR DESIGN AND USUALLY ALL THESE UDO'S AND THESE CODES AND EVERYTHING ARE MADE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME.

IT STAGNATES ARCHITECTURES DO ARCHITE DOING THEIR JOB AND IT JUST IS TRYING TO MAKE A DISNEY WORLD LOOK EVERYTHING LIKE ALL THE SAME.

WELL, IT DOES, IT DOES.

IT'S A, IT IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE USE VERTICAL COLUMN PAPER PROPORTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT I, IN BUFORD, I WAS IN THE HISTORIC BOARD THERE AND PEOPLE WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT WITH THE COMMON SPACE, IF YOU GO LOOK AT ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS, COMMON SPACINGS DON'T MATCH.

THEY'RE NOT EQUAL PEOPLE BUILT.

HISTORICALLY.

WHAT THEY COULD DO, AND ALL THESE GUIDELINES DO IS TRY TO RECREATE SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.

BUT THESE GUIDELINES ARE MADE FOR PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO THROW UP A BUILDING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE SAME.

IT DOESN'T TAKE IT INTO DOING DIFFERENT DESIGNS.

BEFORE WE HAD SOMETHING UNIQUE WHERE WE HAD THE, HAD MULTIPLE STORY GRID COLUMNS AND THAT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE.

WELL THAT WAS REALLY SKINNY AND DISPROPORTIONATE.

I DON'T THINK LIKE, AGAIN, DESIGN ALL OPINION, IT'S NOT, WELL THAT WASN'T NECESSARY.

WELL THAT WAS PRETTY ROUGH, I GOTTA SAY.

WELL IT WAS, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARGUED FOR AN HOUR ABOUT IT AND KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THE COLUMNS SPACE.

WAS THIS AN HBRC? THAT WAS THE FIRST BE AGAIN, WE TRY, WE TRY TO GIVE THAT USING THE BALLISTERS, BUT YEAH, WE COULD ADD COMMS I GUESS.

BUT THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW RUINS THE INTENT OF HAVING ALL THOSE WINDOWS THERE AND KEEP IT OPEN.

I MEAN SURE.

BUT WE JUST, I MEAN WE REVIEWED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHAT RIVERFRONT HOUSE AND IT, YOU KNOW, THEY COMPLIED BY THE REQUIREMENT THEY HIT.

WELL I WOULD PROBABLY, IF BY DESIGN A MODERN, I WOULD ARGUE THAT TOO.

DESIGN GOALS AND JUST WORK WITH WELL THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU'RE ALL THESE HISTORIC THINGS IS YOU DON'T LET ANY NEW HISTORY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A MODERN BUILDING IN THIS AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT.

EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT'S COME BEFORE US IS REALLY KIND OF HAVING MEET THIS REQUIREMENT HASN'T BEEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION ALL THE TIME.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, PEOPLE ACHIEVE THEIR

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HOW WAS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO WHERE YOU GOT A MODERN BUILDING AND BLOCK THIS? THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS CERTAIN REQUIRE, RIGHT? DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MODERN BUILDINGS IN HERE.

AS LONG AS THERE'S MEET THE UDO, WHICH IS A SPECIFIC ACTUAL DOCUMENT.

UM, WHAT RECENT? SO I THINK THE SECOND, IF WE EAT THIS ELEPHANT BY THE TIME I JUST HAVE THE DIMENSIONS, I'M GUESSING THE PORCH IS ROUGHLY 2018 FEET.

RIGHT? THE COLUMNS ARE WHAT, A FOOT BY A FOOT.

SO WE'RE TALKING, BUT THERE'RE BUT THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS 11.

SO REDUCE BUILDING PIPE TOO.

AGREED.

11, THE DIMENSIONS HIGH.

SO YOU HAVE 11 FEET.

I'M JUST TRYING TO CAPTURE THIS.

IT'S 11 FEET HIGH BUT IT'S 18 FEET ACROSS.

AND APPROXIMATELY THE DIMENSIONS ARE ON THE SLIDE, RIGHT? THE LOWER LEFT.

I CAN'T SEE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PORCH WIDTH THOUGH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

YOU KNOW, LOWER LOWERING, THE HEIGHT WAS, I MEAN THE STORIES ARE REALLY QUITE TALL RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS.

SO WE APPRECIATE LOWERING THAT.

THERE'S STILL 11 FOOT CEILINGS, 10 FOOT CEILINGS AND NINE SIX CEILINGS, WHICH IS STILL NICE AND GRACIOUS.

WELL AGAIN, YOU APPRECIATE BUT THAT WASN'T AN OPTION FOR US.

YOU SAID WE HAD TO LOWER WELL YEAH, I MEAN IT WAS CONSIDERABLY, IT WAS CONSIDERABLY TALLER THAN THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES IN THAT ENTIRE, BUT THESE, I MEAN EVEN WITH THE EXTRA HEIGHT, YOU'RE STILL, YOU WOULD STILL BE ADDING COLUMNS.

I THINK YOUR SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, LIKE, UH, JIM SAID THE COLUMNS, IT'S AN AIRBNB.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE UPSET OVER TWO OTHER COLUMNS AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANNA LOOK OVER AT NECTAR ANYWAY.

UM, THE BOTTOM, I GET IT, I GET THAT 'CAUSE I SAT THERE AND I KNOW THE VISIBILITY AND THE GLASS AND THE WHOLE THING.

AND YOUR ELEVATION IS FAR BETTER IN WHAT YOU PRESENTED FAR BETTER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER.

I'M, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE WIDTH, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMN, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED TO MAKE THE END COLUMNS BIGGER? I MEAN I'M TRYING TO HELP WITH THIS BUT FOLLOW THE UDO 'CAUSE HERE'S A REASON THAT UDO'S IN PLACE.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND I LOVE IT.

IT'S STRICT BUT PEOPLE WANNA LIVE HERE BUT THEY WANNA BUILD HERE BECAUSE OF IT.

SO WHAT, WHAT AMOUNT OF SPACE DO WE NEED TO FILL UP ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET.

BUT IF YOU INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COLUMNS, YOU CAN DECREASE IT COLUMN DIAMETER.

I MEAN I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EQUAL.

THE BRICK COLUMN, THE FIRST FLOOR, WE CAN'T, TWO MORE BRICK COLUMNS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THOSE TO COLUMNS.

THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CHALLENGE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE GROUP COLUMNS ARE SO SPECIAL THAT THAT DOESN'T WHAT, WHAT IF WE JUST DO BRACKETS ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND HOLD UP THE PORCH LIKE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT WAS, I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.

WELL LITTLE ALUMINUM AND THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WRT IRON.

THE OTHER BUILDING, YOU CAN DO THE BRACKETS FOR BRACKETS THAT GO ACROSS AND WORK WITH YOUR COLUMNS AND YOU REALLY THINK THAT'S A BETTER SOLUTION THEN THIS REALLY WIDE.

YES.

I MEAN IF WE APPROVE THE WIDE COLUMNS HERE IS FREE FOR ALL IN OLD TOWN AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL KINDS OF DESIGN.

WE, YOU KNOW, IT IT HAS SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF BIG DIFFERENT MODERN BUILDINGS THAT DON'T CONFORM TO EVERYTHING BECAUSE CORRECT.

UDO IS LIKE A COMMUNIST DOCUMENT TO MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK THE SAME.

THAT IS YOUR OPINION.

UH, I THINK WE KIND OF MOVE ON.

OUR JOB IS PRETTY MUCH TO HOLD THAT.

SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP TO A DESIGN SOLUTION HERE.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE THAT THAT NEEDS TO, THE REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE MET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT KINDA SEEMS LIKE, WAS IT SOMETHING ABOUT WINDOWS AND THEN THE POST? CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT PIECE? UM, WELL THEN THE OTHER DETERMINATION BEING THE WINDOWS, THIS PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS MM-HMM UM, THE WINDOW MATERIAL ITSELF AND THEN UH, THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM HANDRAILS AND WE'VE BEEN APPROVING POWDER CODE ALUMINUM HANDRAILS WITH YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OTHER WHEN THEY'RE DETAILED AND SHOWN AS WELDED OR WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD CUT SHEET OF IT.

BUT HOW DOES YOU DO AFTER UDA SAYS YOU CAN'T WAIT.

SO THAT GOAL WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND SUBMITTING THAT IT IS, THEY ARE DOING

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SO IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE THIS, ALL THESE SCREWS AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, SOMETHING WASN'T UDO BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO STAND BY THE COLUMNS 'CAUSE DD SAYS, I'M JUST NEEDING CLARIFICATION.

I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE BOARD AS LONG.

I KNOW THAT THERE OPERATOR WHEN I JOINED THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING IN WITH EXAMPLE STOUT WALLTOWN.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN REALLY STRONGLY HELD.

I THINK FOR THIS PROJECT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PERSONALLY.

OH, AND I'LL MAYBE I'LL HELP A LITTLE BIT.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

MATERIALS WE HAVE KIND OF AIRED ON MODERN WITH THIS GLASS DRIVE.

I THINK YOU AND I WORKED TOGETHER AND, AND HE KNEW ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S A PRODUCT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING USED.

MY HOPE IS, LIKE I SAID, WE GET TOGETHER AND WE GET THESE CHANGES IN THE CURRENT UDO ON MORE APPROVED MATERIALS.

BUT MATERIALS AND SPACING AND HEIGHT AND SCALE ARE DIFFERENT.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO THE COLUMNS, IT'S THE TYPE OF COLUMN WOULD BE APPLES TO APPLES, BUT IT'S THE ACTUAL WIDTH AND HEIGHT THAT'S CLEARLY WRITTEN IN THE UDO WHERE THE MATERIALS WE TEND TO LEAN IF WE FEEL THEY'RE SUSTAINABLE.

MM-HMM YOU KNOW, SO MANY NEW MATERIALS HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST 20 YEARS.

SO I AM PERSONALLY OKAY WITH THAT.

THE WINDOWS IS ALSO A DETERMINING THING FOR US PERSONALLY.

I WOULD VOTE THAT YOUR WINDOWS ON THE SIDES ARE FINE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, WHERE THE SPACING IS.

UM, I BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF THE DOOR.

I DON'T IF THAT'S NOT AN EXTRA CALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE THE SAME DOOR WHEN IT'S BEHIND PANELS.

SO THOSE ARE I THINK THINGS AND YOU'ALL STOP ME THAT WE CAN MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS ON.

BUT THE STRUCTURE THAT HEIGHT, THE MASS SCALE ARE PRETTY SET IN THAT UDO UNTIL WE GO THROUGH A UDO OF SOME SORT.

BUT I HATE IT 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE, I'VE SAT THERE AND I KNOW YOU'RE FEELING OF THE MAIN ENTRY WITH AS MUCH VISIBILITY AS POSSIBLE AND I WISH WE WOULD'VE CALLED IT AN HPRC.

I DIDN'T EVEN, IT WASN'T SOMETHING IN MY HEAD TO EVEN BRING UP.

BUT I THINK YOUR SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WE CAN HANDLE, YOU CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

I DON'T KNOW IF BRACKETS WORK AND YOU'RE WILLING TO GO THAT WAY TO GET IT MOVING.

IT'S, IT'S AN APPROVED, YEAH.

I MEAN NEXT DOOR IS BRACKETS WITH DOUBLE COLUMN SO YEAH.

WITH THAT.

ALRIGHT.

IT PROVIDES A SOLUTION AND ALSO KIND OF THE RHYTHM AND SPACING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE BRACKETS, IS THERE GONNA BE A PROBLEM IF THE COLUMN SPACING AREN'T EQUAL? 'CAUSE WE WANT TO PUT THE COLUMNS WHERE THOSE MIL POSTS ARE.

NO, THERE, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT QUAL COLUMN SPACING BE.

YEAH, SO I, THOSE WOULD BE THE NATURAL PLACES AND I WOULD DO SKINNIER ONES.

I WOULD TAKE THOSE MEAL BOATS SO THEY'RE NOT AS WIDE AND MAKE THE CENTER ONES SKINNIER.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE OTHER CONDITIONS? SO, UM, THE OTHER DETERMINATIONS, UH, WE HEARD LISA SAY THAT SHE WAS OKAY WITH THE L THREE.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER THREE ITEMS OF WINDOW MATERIAL? THE WINDOWS ON THE YELLOW SIDE ELEVATIONS OR THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM? I THINK THEY'RE ALL FINE.

I MEAN I AGREE WITH THE WINDOW YOU'RE HAVING TO SEE IT.

WE DO HAVE A WINDOW ON BOTH SIDES IN THE FRONT THAT IS NOT VERTICAL IN NATURE, IT'S HORIZONTAL.

UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT THAT, THAT IS ONE THING YOU YELL I THINK ARE OKAY WITH THE SQUARE ONES.

THAT THERE ARE TRANSIT WINDOWS RIGHT IN THE FRONT THERE.

YEAH, WELL WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE MEETING.

WE ADDED UH, THE DIVIDES IN THERE TO CREATE THE PANES HORIZONTAL AND THAT WAS A DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH THOSE HIGH TRANS WINDOWS.

'CAUSE THEY'RE IN AREAS THAT THEY NEED TO BE STUFFED ON THE OKAY.

ON THE WALLS.

AND HOW HAVE YOU BEEN ROLLING ON? SO YOU SAY ABOUT VISIONS OF THE PANS OR THE WINDOW DIMENSIONS THEMSELVES? IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PAIN DIMENSION BEING CONSISTENT AND VERBAL.

IF I COULD CONDITION ONE.

YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER CONDITIONS WERE MOSTLY HOUSEKEEPING FOR STAFF FOLLOW UP AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE UDO

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WE HAVE A DORM WINDOW SCHEDULE ON THE PLANS CONDITION THREE.

WE HAVE A DORM WINDOW SCHEDULE ON THE PLANS.

UH, NUMBER FOUR IT'S GONNA BE STANDING SCENE RICK USE ACME.

NO PROBLEM WITH THE ELECTRIC METER.

UM, TOWN'S WORKING WITH US ON THE RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENT.

YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GO TO MAKE A DECISION.

YOU TALK A LITTLE, I'M SORRY TO GOING UNDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

UH, ONE AND THREE.

WE HAVE UH, WINDOW SCHEDULES AND THE PLAN SET THAT SHOWS ALL THE TYPES.

UM, THE SERVICE AREA DOOR, IT'S NOT ANY LIGHT, IT'S JUST A SOLID ONE PANEL AND MATCH THE PANEL OF THE THING OF THE DOOR NEXT DOOR.

THE, IT'LL BE STANDING SEA ROOF.

UH, WE CAN GET A RAILING DETAIL AS SOON AS WE DETERMINE THE MANUFACTURER HOW THAT WORKS.

UM, BRICK, WE USUALLY USE ACNE BRICK BUT I THINK WE'LL UM, IT WAS THEN A GRAY NO PROBLEM WITH THE ELECTRICAL METER IF WE HAVE TO RELOCATE IT.

AND THE TOWN IS UH, WORKING WITH US ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

CHRISTIAN.

UM, SEVEN.

IS THAT A STAFF? IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DETERMINE LANDSCAPING OR SCREENING OR GIVE THEM THE OPTION? UH, WHO WOULD LOOK AT THAT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF THEY HAVE TO RELOCATE THE ELECTRIC METERS, THEN THEY'RE SCREENED.

I THINK THERE'S KIND OF FLEXIBILITY AND EVERYTHING'S SO TIGHT.

I THINK RIGHT THERE IT IS.

IT COULD BE OKAY THAT IT'S SCREENED AND STAFF CAN HANDLE THAT.

UH, THAT COMES DOWN TO THE POWER COMPANY.

THE ONLY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE, IS IT GONNA BE AN ISSUE TO REDUCE THE DEPTH OF THE FRONT PORCH? 'CAUSE IF WE DO BRACKETS, WE CAN'T REALLY HAVE IT THAT DEEP.

WHAT IS THE PORCH DEPTH RIGHT NOW? IT'S PROBABLY REQUIREMENT SIX FEET.

I THINK IT WAS AROUND SIX.

'CAUSE WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH, WE HAVE A SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT SIX TO THE OUTSIDE.

BUT I KNOW THE BUILDINGS, UM, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS NEXT DOOR, THEY HAVE BRACKETS DON'T HAVE SIX FOOT.

IT'S REALLY NOT A PORCH THEN.

YEAH, WE CAN PUT THE BALCONY.

YEAH, I BALCONY.

INTERESTING THOUGHT ON REFRAMING THAT.

WHAT DOES IT REQUIRE? UM, IT'S SIX FEET, SIX FEET DEEP FOR THE PORCH.

MM-HMM.

PORCH.

I MEAN I THINK YOU KIND OF STILL WANT THE SIX FEET DEEP FOR THE PORCHES ABOVE TO BE USEFUL PORCHES.

CHARLOTTE, DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED IN THE PAST? WHETHER THAT THEN BECOMES A BALCONY OR WHETHER THAT CONTINUES TO BE FRONT PORCH? I HAVEN'T HAD THAT SITUATION IN PAST IN, LET ME SEE IF IT'S IN THE UDOI WAS TRYING TO FIND IT, BUT I ALSO DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME HERE TRYING TO SORT IT OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE A COLONATE AT THAT POINT.

EVEN ABOVE WOULD BE, AND BALCONY DEATH IS A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET.

I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITHOUT BEING FLEXIBLE.

THE IDEA OF THAT BECOMES .

SO IF WE DO FOUR FEET WITH BRACKETS MM-HMM.

AND STILL AND THEN HAVE THE COLUMNS ABOVE IT, IT'S STILL ACCEPTABLE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD.

I THINK THAT'S HOW IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THAT.

SO THE THREE OF US ARE ON THE HPR SEAT.

UM,

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HOW DOES EVERYBODY ELSE FEEL ABOUT, HAVE A MOTION THAT WOULD APPROVE WELL DISAPPROVED THE FOURTH DETERMIN OR THE DETERMINATION ABOUT THE COLUMN, BUT THEN, UM, PUT IT TO HBRC TO REVIEW THE FINAL DESIGN SO THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT A LITTLE BIT.

SO SOONER RATHER COMING BACK TO THE FULL BOARD.

ANOTHER QUESTION IF, IF IT'S A BALCONY, DO WE NEED ALL THE COLUMNS? WE NEED THE SAME COLUMN SPACE SINCE IF IT'S NOT A ATOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CALLS, YOU NEED TO COMPLY WITH IT.

I HAD A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE BEGINNING OR WE HAD A SMOOTH HARDY SOFFIT ON THE BUILDING AND WE WERE TOLD WE NEEDED TO GO WITH A B BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO US HAVE SMOOTH HARDY SOFTWARE AND WE WANTED TO GO WITH THE SMOOTH SET OF B BOARD.

AND I THINK OUR ANSWER WAS THAT WAS PRIOR TO A CODE CHANGE.

THEY WERE JUST BUILT, BUT THEY COULD HAVE HAD A PLAN.

AND I JUST GO BACK TO STAFF.

BUT I THINK, SO WE, WE DID LOOK THAT UP.

UM, THAT CHANGE OCCURRED IN 2020 THROUGH ROAD TAX AMENDMENT AND THOSE BUILDINGS WERE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE 2023.

I, I AM NOT CERTAIN HAVE RESEARCHED THAT.

BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD FELT LIKE WE ADDRESSED THAT IN HBRC PRETTY DEF DEFINITIVE.

AND THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALL THAT WINDOWS, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE OPERABLE.

WE HAVE THE TWO TRANS, SOME WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND WE WERE ASKED TO MAKE AWNING WINDOWS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE OUT.

YOU KNOW, THAT HIGH.

IT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.

WE'LL KEEP IT THAT WAY, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A WASTE TO MAKE THOSE AWNING WINDOWS.

ARE THEY SASH SET? I MEAN THEY'RE YEAH.

WE HAVE MADE A DETERMINATION IN THE PAST THAT PICTURE.

HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? WE MADE A ATTORNEY.

AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE AN OPERA LINE, IF YOU ORDER THAT, I MEAN, IT'D BE DIFFERENT, BUT I MEAN IT'S ON THE SIDE THAT THIS ONE IS NOT UP FRONT.

SUCH LITTLE SPACE.

I MEAN SEE THESE TWO, WE GOT TWO, ONE ON EACH SIDE.

THE YEAH, THERE'S NO DISTANCE.

THERE'S NOT A GREAT DISTANCE BETWEEN, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT IF IT'S A PICTURE VERSION OF AN OPERATING UNIT, SO IT LOOKS THE SAME, THEY JUST DON'T PURCHASE THE HARDWARE, OPERATING HARDWARE PARTS OF IT.

THAT THAT'S OKAY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IS EVERYBODY YEAH.

FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE AS ME.

I MEAN, THE TRANSOM NEXT TO IT IS NOT GONNA BE OPERABLE.

SO I MEAN I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR ARGUMENT IN THE WINDOW.

AND IT LINES UP WITH THAT.

SO THERE IS A TRANSOM NEXT THAT'S GONNA BE FIXED.

SO CHARLOTTE, DO YOU NEED US TO INCLUDE THAT IN MOTION? NO, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.

UM, THE, THE WINDOWS, IS THERE A REASON YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SILL ON IT ON ANY OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IT NOT IN THE BRICK, JUST THE REGULAR ONES.

IT ISN'T THE YOU THAT YOU NEED A SILL ON THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PICTURE FRAME ON THE VOLUME.

IT'S QUESTION, IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE A Z ON? CAN YOU INCLUDE A Z ON? SO IT'S TRADITIONAL.

IT'S THAT YOU NEEDED Z.

WHICH ONE HERE, WHICH ONE IS THAT? THE THIRD.

ALL THESE TRICK WILL HISTORICAL WILL HAVE A CELL ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

NONE OF THAT.

YOU CAN EITHER HAVE THAT APRON ON IT OR NOT HAVE, THESE ARE ALL FINE.

THIS ARE BRICK CELL WINDOW DETAILS THAT SHOWS THAT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, RIGHT NOW IT'S DRAWN, IT'S JUST AN APRON RIGHT UNDERNEATH.

SO IT'S THE SAME TRIM ON THE SIDES AS WHAT RUNS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS.

AND USUALLY THERE'S A, THAT'S WHAT THE UD REQUIRES.

ONE OPERABLE JUST TO SAVE ROOM.

YOU CAN EITHER HAVE THE APRON IN THE BOTTOM OR NOT, BUT TRADITIONAL OR ARCHITECTURAL HEAD.

SO I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

UH, THE, THE FRONT WINDOW, THE FRONT DOORS ON THE, WHICH IS NOT GONNA BE A BALCONY, UH, WE CHANGED THAT TO ONE FIXED, UH, DOOR PANEL AND

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UM, AND AS A REQUEST OF STAFFING IN BOTH OPERABLE, IS THAT AN ISSUE? IF ONE'S REMAINS FIXED, WE GO TO THAT.

IT'S FRONT.

SO IT'S A FRENCH DOOR? YEAH, FRENCH DOOR WITH ONE FIXED PANEL AND ONE OPTICAL PANEL INSTEAD OF BOTH OPTICAL.

THERE'S MORE STABLE THAT WAY IN MY YOU MEAN THE HINGES ARE STILL, THEY'RE STILL FRENCH DOORS, RIGHT? YEAH.

SWITCH TO THE INSIDE.

YEAH, I THINK BE LIKE FIRST STOREFRONT DOOR.

IT SHOULD BE BOTH OPERABLE.

NOT NOT THE FIRST FLOOR.

NOT THE FIRST FLOOR, YEAH, THE APARTMENT.

OH, I WAS NO, NO, NO.

THE APARTMENT BUILDING.

THE TWO, THE TWO RESIDENTIAL.

I MEAN THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HANDLES ON THAT, WHICH ON THE ONE SIDE SIDE SAW, BUT IT'LL APPEAR TO BE, IT'LL, IT, IT'LL BE APPEAR TO BE TWO FRENCH DOORS.

YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP ONE FIXED FOR, FOR A LIMITED ON SPACE AND DOOR OPENINGS AND THINGS.

I'M GONNA TRIAL BEFORE YOU SECOND ADD TO IT.

SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS FOR 2 0 4 BLOCKS IN ROAD TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, IF NOT ALREADY MET, TO BE GIVEN TO STAFF AND UNDER DETERMINATIONS.

UM, WE AGREE ON THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM FOR PORT TRAILINGS, BALLISTERS AND HANDRAILS.

THE USE OF BLASTER MATERIAL FOR WINDOWS AND DOORS.

AND WE ARE FINE WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS, BUT THEY MUST HAVE SILL SILLS.

UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO, HOW THEY SIL DETERMINE THE NUMBER ONE AND THE, AND THE, THE COLUMNS AND POST WILL ABIDE BY THE VIDEO OR THESE BRACKETS SO THEY'RE NOT APPROVED.

SO AS DRAWN.

SO THEY'RE NOT APPROVED AS DRAWN.

AND YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK TO HPRC, UM, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING LONGER AND COMING BACK TO FULL HPC ON THAT ONE ITEM.

I'LL SET.

DID I MAKE, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? UM, WE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPTION WITH STAFF IF WE KEEP THE COURTS TO ADD THE OTHER COLUMNS.

IF WE DON'T GO WITH THE, THE BRACKETS WE HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH THE OWNER IF GOING TO THE FOREFOOT IS ACCEPTABLE.

SO, WELL, YEAH.

SO WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MOTION RIGHT NOW, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, UM, THE REDESIGN OF THAT PIECE WOULD COME BACK TO THE SMALLER COMMITTEE.

FOR CHECKOFF.

UM, I HAD A SECOND.

WE, ANY DISCUSSION? CHARLOTTE? GO AHEAD.

DID WE GET THE TRANSIT WINDOWS IN THE FIXED STORE? I SAID WE WERE FINE WITH THAT DETERMINATION, BUT THEY MUST HAVE SILS.

OKAY, SO, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION, UH, TO INCLUDE THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS MAY BE, UH, PICTURE AWNINGS.

UH, AND THAT THE, UH, DOORS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES, UH, ONE OF THE PANELS MAY BE FIXED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WILL HAVE, UH, DUMMY HARDWARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE AN OPERABLE PAIR.

UM, AND THAT THE WINDOW, UH, CASING DETAIL WILL HAVE A SIL INCLUDED.

OKAY, I GOT A SECOND ON THAT.

UH, DO ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR? A.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE MOTION HAS PASSED APPROVAL COMMISSION.

MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

DON'T WE VOTE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

SO WE JUST APPROVED THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION SO WE KNOW WE HAVE A FULL MOTION.

UH, WE MADE DISCUSSION ON THE FULL MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE FULL MOTION? AYE.

A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.

HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.

UH, MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION.

[VIII.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]

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THE UH, SITE SHEET SITE FEATURE REPORT INCLUDES ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE, UH, ON SCREEN.

THEY INCLUDE THINGS RELATING TO FENCES AND SIGNAGE AS WELL AS A TEMPORARY ROOM.

UM, I DO WANNA ADD ALSO, UM, THAT THIS MONTH, BEGINNING TOMORROW IS OUR MOBILE SYMPOSIUM TO CELEBRATE, UH, NATIONAL PRESERVATION MONTH.

UH, TOMORROW AT 12:30 PM GLEN UMBERGER, THE TOWN'S PRESERVATIONIST WILL HOST A WALKING TOUR OF THE SQUIRE HOPE PARA HOUSE.

AND THEN ON MAY 14TH, MAY 21ST AT MAY 28TH, ALSO AT 12:30 PM AND WRIGHT FAMILY PARK, YOU CAN MEET GLEN FOR A TOUR OF, UM, AGAIN, FINDING OUT WHO SQUIRE POPE IS, UH, SOME HISTORY BEHIND THE CHURCH OF THE CROSS AS WELL AS THE BRAIN OF BL SO WE'RE HOPING, UH, PEOPLE WILL COME OUT AND LISTEN TO GLEN AND HEAR HIS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT LOCKTON.

GREAT.

THANKS.

CAN, CAN THOSE DATES BE EMAILED? I CAN, I'LL SEND THIS TO YOU.

AND JEFF, ARE WE HAVING A SYMPOSIUM THIS YEAR? WE ARE NOT.

UM, WE DECIDED THIS YEAR TO HAVE THE WALKING TOUR SO THAT THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT TO DO THE WALKING TOUR.

YES, MA'AM.