Mar 02, 2026 Planning Commission

THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN FEBRUARY, WE'RE DOING TODAY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY COUNTY COUNCIL TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICIES AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN HOW DIFFERENT, UH, FEATURES IN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

WELL, THANKS.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR COMING.

AND WHAT ED ASKED ME TO DO DURING THIS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SPOKEN, WE'RE ALL READY TO DO THIS IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, IT SNOWED HERE AGAIN, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER 20 OR 30 YEARS.

THAT, UM, SO WE, EVERYTHING

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THAT HELP IMPLEMENT THEM.

AND SO THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FRESHER ON THE MINDS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER SINCE WE, WE CAN GO TO THE COMP PLAN.

BUT, UM, THIS IS BECOMING MORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING WELL ECONOMICALLY, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH OCCUR IN THE HOUSING MARKET.

AND OBVIOUSLY OUR, UM, THE COST OF HOUSING IS GOING UP.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECOMES AN ISSUE IN THE FOREFRONT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS, THE COST OF HOUSING IS JUST CONTINUALLY RISING AND SEEMS TO BE OUT OF REACH OF MORE AND MORE PEOPLE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

AND SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A INTEREST OF COUNTY COUNCIL.

HOW, WHAT THINGS COULD WE DO TO BETTER POSITION OURSELVES TO WORK WITH, UM, WITH THE, UM, BEAUFORT, JASPER HOUSING TRUST AND, AND DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SO THIS SPECIFICALLY LOOKS AT THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR REDUCING REGULATORY BARRIERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I WILL SAY, AND IF IN A, UM, COUNTY LIKE BEAUFORT COUNTY, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS.

AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS AND TRYING TO AVOID SPRAWLING INTO OUR RURAL AREAS.

UM, INTEREST IN PRE, YOU KNOW, NOT DEVELOPING SO MUCH THAT WE'RE AFFECTING, UH, THE PROVISION OF SERVICES LIKE TRANSPORTATION AND ALL OF THAT IN WHICH YOU FIND IS THAT THEN CERTAIN INTERESTS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS GO COUNTER.

AND SO IT BECOMES A BALANCING ACT.

SO THE, THE MORE LAND THAT WE'RE PRESERVING, THE MORE THAT WE ARE MAKING EFFORTS TO PRESERVE TREES AND WETLANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT HAS THE IMPACT OF DRIVING.

IT CAN'T HAVE THE IMPACT OF DRIVING UP HOUSING COSTS.

NOT SAYING THAT ONE INTEREST IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER, BUT IT JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT BECOMES A BALANCING ACT OF HOW DO YOU THREAD THE NEEDLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS WANT US TO DO IN BEAVER COUNTY, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE KEEP THE COST OF HOUSING AFFORDABLE OR, OR DO WE NEED TO INTERVENE AND DO SPECIFIC THINGS TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN? AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IDEA OF REGULATORY BARRIERS, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT INTENTIONS TO HAVE REALLY QUALITY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT THEN ARE THEY BECOMING BARRIERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND SO OUR CODE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS WORK TO ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING BY PERIODICALLY EVALUATING AND UPDATING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND SO WE HAVE THE CODE, WE HAVE CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN THERE, BUT I THINK WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS WE SHOULD ALWAYS REEVALUATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO HELP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, LET'S SEE.

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IF YOU STOPPED SCREEN SHARING AND THEN WENT TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN ENABLED SCREEN SHARING AGAIN.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHAT I HAVE TO DO.

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WE DON'T HAVE HOW TO USE THIS.

SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WE ARE OPENING UP A DIALOGUE WITH THE, UH, BE FOR JASPER HOUSING TRUST TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY SEE, UM, AREAS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO, UM, IN OUR CODE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TOOLS THAT KIND OF, THEY'RE BASED ON THE TYPE OF AREA, THE COUNTY YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE DENSITY BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S ONLY IN ONE DISTRICT AND IT'S OUR MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

UH, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU ARE IN THE C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT, YOU CAN WAIVE THE DENSITY CEILING IF YOU'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, TARGETED INCOME GROUP, THE PERIOD THAT IT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S VERY WELL, UM, WRITTEN OUT ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW LONG IT'S AFFORDABLE.

UM, KIND OF ON THAT WAS IN THE MOST INTENSE PART OF THE COUNTY.

BUT IN OUR RURAL AREAS WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, EVEN IF IT'S AFFORDABLE, IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE, IN OUR RURAL AREAS.

AND SO RURAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE THE FAMILY COMPOUND, THE RURAL SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION THINGS THAT HELP RURAL PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, TO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS MOVE INTO THEIR PROPERTY OR TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE SMALLER LOTS AND, AND DEVELOP THEM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORTING LARGE SCALE OR HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE A REVISION CALLED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE MOTHER-IN-LAW APARTMENT OR GARAGE APARTMENT.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR TRANSECT ZONES AND OUR, UH, MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, KIND OF GO IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

OH, SORRY.

AH, GOOD.

SO DENSITY BONUSES, AND THIS IS ONE WHERE I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN EXPANDING THIS IN THE COUNTY.

BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY WAS DEVELOPED TO APPLY TO ONE CONVERSION OF A, IT WAS A EXTENDED STAY HOTEL IN SOUTHERN BEAVERT COUNTY THERE THEY WANTED TO CONVERT TO, TO, UH, APARTMENTS.

THEY DID THE SAME THING.

AND THIS WOULD'VE, BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALL EFFICIENCY UNITS ARE 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IN C FIVE, THIS WOULD'VE, I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE 24 OR 25.

AND SO BECAUSE THEY WERE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE, AT THAT TIME, THIS WAS CLOSE TO 10 YEARS AGO, WE MADE AN AMENDMENT TO ALLOW FOR, UM, IF THEY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS THAT, THAT QUALIFY AS AFFORDABLE, THEN THEY CAN GO HIGHER.

THAT BASICALLY THERE'S NO DENSITY CAP IF THEY CAN'T EXCEED THE FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT, THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR STORM WATER, THEIR OPEN SPACE, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO IT, IT ALLOWS FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND IT MADE THIS PROJECT WORK.

I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IF I FEEL IT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DONE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT PROVISION THERE.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S LIMITED TO ONE DISTRICT.

UM, AND IT PROBABLY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, BUT MAYBE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS WHERE YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY TAKING AWAY A DENSITY REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING IT TO INCREASE TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE AS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON IN OUR CODE.

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WHAT THEY SEE ARE SOME BARRIERS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE BEGINNING TO START THIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL DEFINITELY, IF ANYTHING COMES OUT OF IT, IT WILL THEN COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE CAN FURTHER THE CONVERSATION HERE.

UM, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

FAMILY COMPOUND.

THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PROVISION IN OUR CODES.

IT, WE USE IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THIS.

UM, AND IT'S REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE RURAL AREA WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ALLOW HIGHER DENSITY TO ALLOW CLUSTERING OF HOUSES ON A, A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS HEIRS PROPERTY, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HEIRS PROPERTY.

THE ONE PROVISION IS IT'S FA UM, PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN OWNED BY A FAMILY FOR 50 YEARS OR MORE.

AND, UM, IT'S REQUIRED THAT, UM, FAMILY RELATIONSHIP, YOU KNOW, PERSON MOVING ON A PROPERTY IS RELATED, BUT THAT, UM, IS I THINK FOR A FIVE YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO EVENTUALLY IF IT, IF IT'S A SUBDIVIDED LOT, IT COULD BE SOLD AFTER FIVE YEARS.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN RURAL AREAS, IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, FAMILIES TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, I THINK IS REALLY HELPFUL IN THE RURAL AREAS.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY YOU WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO ONE DWELLING UNIT FOR THREE ACRES.

THIS ALLOWS YOU TO GO UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS.

BUT WHAT IT WOULDN'T DO IS IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED ACRE PARCEL AND YOU GO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE A PULTE DEVELOPMENT OR DR. HORTON.

BUT THIS IS MORE ON A SMALL SCALE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, FAMILY PROPERTIES IN RURAL AREAS.

WE ALSO HAVE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CAN I ASK, ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? YEAH.

'CAUSE THE FAMILY COMPOUND IS, HAS ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A RELATIVE OF MINE, BUT NOT IN THIS COUNTY.

TO WHERE THEY HAD, UH, THE PARENTS HAD A LARGE PART A PARCEL OF LAND THAT THEY WANTED TO PARTIALLY, I GUESS EITHER DEED OR ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN TO BUY SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING OR BUILD SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE COST WAS SO PROHIBITIVE OF THE SEWER AND THE WATER AND HOOKUP EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IT, IT WASN'T AFFORDABLE ANYMORE.

EVEN WITH A MANUFACTURED HOME, THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

SO ARE WE GOING TO START, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE REGULATORY BARRIERS.

ARE WE GONNA START TRYING TO TALK MORE WITH BUFORT, JASPER DOMINION TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THOSE FEES? Y THAT IS CERTAINLY, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD WITH BUFORT JASPER HOUSING TRUST.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WITH SEWER WATER, THE COUNTY, UNLESS WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO DO FUNDS, MAYBE SUBSIDIZING THAT FEE, IT'S REALLY UP TO BEAUFORT, JASPER.

AND THEY HA THEY HAVE A VERY, THEY ARE BASICALLY FUNDED FULLY BY RATE PAYERS.

AND SO, UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE HAVING THEM COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT, I, I CAN'T DO IT JUST AS NEARLY AS THEY COULD.

BUT THEY'RE VERY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR SHARE OF THEIR IM OF THE IMPACT ON SEWER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THOSE, THOSE TAP IN FEES MM-HMM .

UM, BUT IT DOES CREATE, BECAUSE IT, IT, THEY JUST KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.

IT CREATES A REAL BARRIER.

BUT I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR IMPACT FEES IN THAT THEY, THEY CAN'T JUST SIMPLY REDUCE THEM.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE KIND OF STEP IN AND BUY DOWN THE COST.

OF A BUT THAT BRING BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING THING AND YES, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THEM COME IN SO WE COULD TALK WITH THEM ABOUT IT.

CAN SUCH FEES BE PAID OVER A PERIOD OF TIME FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN THE RATE FOR THOSE FEES BE ADJUSTED? CAN TAXES BE ADJUSTED WHERE THEY HAVE THE IMPACT FEES WE HAVE SO THAT THE PERSON IS PAYING OVER LET'S SAY A FIVE, EIGHT YEAR PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO COME IN, HOOK UP FEES, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WAY WE COULD MAKE 'EM, I HATE THE TERM AFFORDABLE.

KNOW, SOMETHING THAT BEAVER JASPER COULD SPEAK TO.

UM, I CAN'T, THAT'S ON, YOU

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I KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT WITH THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY BRING THE SEWER TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THE PHYSICAL PIPE TO YOUR HOUSE.

THEY DO THAT, THEY CALL IT AMORTIZING OVER A PERIOD.

THEY CAN DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT FOR THE ACTUAL HOOKUP FEE, WHICH IS A, A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY.

RIGHT.

AND, AND I SITTING HERE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THOSE FEES ARE.

BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED SOME OF OUR FEES AND NOW THEY SKIPPED MY MIND AS TO WHAT THEY ARE.

BUT CAN SOME OF THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE BE DEFERRED OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME? CERTAINLY WHEN SOMEBODY GOES IN AND THEY, IT'S A FAMILY SCHOOL DISTRICTS CLAIM TO SUFFER WITH THE NEW HOUSING UNIT OR UNITS COMING IN, UM, AND THEY'VE GOT TO RECOVER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.

CAN THAT, CAN ALL THESE THINGS BE FACTORED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO UPFRONT IT AND NOT BE ABLE TO? AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT THE GENERAL QUESTION IS.

AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND I HONESTLY, WITH OUR IMPACT FEES, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING SET UP LIKE THAT.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD, COUNTY COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED FUNDING FOR, UH, A REDUCTION IN IMPACT FEES, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY, THAT FEE IS PAID DOWN FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHEN SOMEBODY GETS A, A BUILDING PERMIT.

I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO FIND OUT BECAUSE, AND I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON THIS TOO LONG, BUT WE SEE AREAS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE FEES JUST KEEP GOING UP AND OR WHERE THE FEES DON'T GO UP, BUT THE TAXES GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THINGS THAT COULDN'T.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FAIR TO THE PEOPLE AS WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME, PEOPLE COME IN FROM CERTAIN AREAS OF THIS COUNTY THAT ARE GETTING BY.

AND NOW WE'RE RAISING THEIR TAXES TO AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO THE NEXT PERSON COME IN AND GET BY.

AND THAT'S, I WANNA TRY TO AVOID THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO BE FAIR.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH IS THIS AFFECTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUN CITY DEVELOPMENT AND AN AIRS PROPERTY TYPE SETUP LIKE THAT? OR A FAMILY COMPOUND? YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR A FAMILY COMPOUND WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ONE OR TWO HOUSES VERSUS A SUN CITY WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF HOUSES? WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GEAR THE SUPPORT HOUSING? AND ARE WE BASING THE RULE OFF OF SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES? AND THEN VERSUS SOMETHING WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES IN WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A RESTRICTION TO A SUN CITY OR TO A PULTE OR TO A LENNAR OR WHOEVER SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUT 500 HOUSES IN.

BUT OUT OF THOSE 500 HOUSES, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE 50 OF 'EM THAT HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA.

AND IN ORDER TO MEET THAT CRITERIA, THE EXTERIOR HAS TO LOOK THE SAME.

AND EVERYTHING ON THE COSMETIC SIDE OF IT HAS TO BE THE SAME.

BUT WHAT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE IS THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE HOME.

YOU DON'T GET THE TILE, YOU DON'T GET THE HIGH-END GRANITE, YOU DON'T GET ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT YOU LOOK LIKE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT HOUSE LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT IS THE AFFORDABLE HOME IN THAT HOUSE.

AND THEY DO IT AS A LOTTERY SYSTEM, OR THEY DO IT BASED ON AN INCOME.

AND THEY KNOW THAT GOING INTO THAT AS A CRITERIA TO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE X NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE VERSUS ARE WE GONNA WRITE A CODE OR AN AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE BASED AROUND SOMEONE THAT'S LOOKING TO JUST PUT TWO HOUSES ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY? WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND I THINK THAT SOME POLICIES ARE BETTER IN RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTY WHERE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS SOMETHING WHERE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY BONUSES OR SOME MECHANISM IN A, YOU KNOW, IN BLUFFTON OR AN AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ARE TRYING TO PROJECT OR PROMOTE GROWTH, THAT WOULD BE A POLICY FOR THAT AREA.

BUT, BUT ALSO, ROB, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAMILY COMPOUNDS, THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO BEFORD, JASTA WATER, SEWER.

OH.

SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. MM-HMM .

AND THE STATE DA COMES IN AND THEY FAIL HALF OF THE PROPERTIES FOR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS. SO YOU'RE PRICING THEM OUT OF BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR FAMILY COMPOUND BECAUSE NOBODY HAS $30,000 FOR SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT THEY'RE WANTING THEM TO INSTALL.

SO THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH FAMILY COMPOUNDS.

ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT IS GONNA HAVE A TYPE OF CONNECTION FEE TO WHERE IT CAN BE REDUCED.

SO PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALMOST USELESS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT SOMETHING IN.

SO YOU CAN LIVE ON IT THERE.

THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CONVERSATION WITH AVER JASPER, LIKE I SAID, DOMINION ENERGY,

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OR LIKE GENE WAS SAYING, HAVE IT AMORTIZED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME SO YOU'RE NOT HIT WITH SEVEN, 10, $20,000 RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

ONE FAMILY ACCESSORY DWELLING.

HEAD OFF, ADD IT TO THE MORTGAGE FEE OR SOMETHING.

BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET CREATIVE.

'CAUSE THE THINGS THAT, THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING TRIED NOW ARE, IT'S, IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.

AND LET'S NOT FORGET OUR FEE SCHOOL DISTRICT FEE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS NEED IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS RIGHT.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT 'EM ALL.

AND I KNOW THAT IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, SO YEAH.

I WAS ABOUT, YEAH, GOT ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF.

UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE? ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

ALL OF THESE.

AND I, I'LL JUST COUCH IT IN THIS TERMS 'CAUSE I, I GOTTA WRAP IT UP IN 30 SECONDS.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING YOU CHIP AWAY AT HERE.

AND THERE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE JUST MAKING LITTLE DIFFERENCES MIGHT HELP.

IT IS.

EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THAT'S FINE FOR MAYBE FAMILIES, BUT IF YOU'RE A SINGLE PERSON AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENT A GARAGE APARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT JUST, IT'S PROVIDING MORE OF A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES.

IT ALSO COULD BECOME A, YOU KNOW, A TOOL FOR A PROPERTY OWNER MAYBE TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL INCOME.

ONCE AGAIN, THIS, THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS GOING UP.

AND, UM, ONE OF OUR, UH, PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT IS BUILDING ONE NOW, AND IT'S BEEN AN EYEOPENER FOR HER, HOW, HOW EXPENSIVE IT IT'S BEEN.

BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, LIKE CHERRY POINT, UM, UH, RAMSEY FARMS, SOMEBODY WANTING TO DO A MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN OR A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS.

AND IN ADDITION, THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES THAT'S REQUIRED BY THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS ADDS MORE TO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.

BUT, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION SINCE WE'RE WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE CURRENTLY MEETING WITH, UM, CLAUDE HICKS, WITH THE BUFORD JASPER HOUSING TO KIND OF START GOING, LOOKING AT A MAP OF THE COUNTY, GOING PARCEL BY PARCEL AND LOOKING AT WHAT THESE BARRIERS ARE.

AND WE'RE HOPING OUT THAT CONVERSATION WE MIGHT, UM, HAVE MORE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX, BUT AS I THINK AS WE KIND OF SEE IN THIS CONVERSATION, THERE'S A LAND USE COMPONENT.

THERE'S THE, JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THE COST, YOU KNOW, AND SO PROBABLY IN MANY CASES IT TAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENT, IT'S KIND OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY IS BUYING DOWN THE COST OF LAND IN ORDER FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SALES PRICE TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE OR, YOU KNOW, REDUCTIONS IN, IN THE HOOKUP FEE OR DIFFERENT.

BUT IT TAKES, I WOULD SAY, A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO, TO MAKE IN AFFORDABLE AND THEN NEED TO FIND A DEVELOPER WITH A PHILANTHROPIC HEART.

CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER IN, UM, CHAIRMAN PAPA'S ABSENCE UNDER THE VICE CHAIR.

AND OUR GOAL IS IF WE DO, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S TRY THESE THINGS.

RIGHT.

IT'S APPROPRIATE.

NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF.

OTHERWISE WE'LL GET, UM, SO OKAY, LET'S

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

I'M THE VICE CHAIR AND SO I'LL BE RUNNING THE, A LOT OF HELP, A LOT OF HELP WITH, ANYWAY, LET'S, UM, I GUESS LET'S DO THE FLEDGE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TWO REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE EARL.

UM, WE HAVE FOUR, WE HAVE FOUR, UH, UH, WORKSHOP MEETINGS, UM, TO, UH, UM, PASS THE MINUTES FOR WE HAVE IN OUR TACTICS.

UM,

[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – November 3, 2025 Regular Meeting and Comprehensive Plan Workshop Meetings: Nov 6, Nov 13, Dec 2, Dec 11 (Part 1 of 2)]

THESE WERE, UM, MINUTES OF THESE WORKSHOP MEETINGS THAT WERE INTENDED TO GET

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THE PROCESS OF REVISING COMP PLANS STARTED.

WE WERE OBLIGATED BY LAW.

WE FINISH IT BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, AT LEAST FOUR.

AND HAVE MOTION.

AND DO I HAVE MOTION? OKEY DO.

OKEY DOKE.

UH, SECOND.

SO JEAN.

OH, SO IS THERE A SECOND? OH, I MOVED.

SO THESE MINUTES FOR OUR WORKSHOP MEETING.

NOVEMBER 6TH, NOVEMBER 13TH, DECEMBER TWO, AND DECEMBER 11TH.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE.

GOOD, GOOD.

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

UM, APPROVE AGENDA.

TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS VERY SHORT.

IT'S REALLY A ONE TEXT AMENDMENT.

AND, UM, UH, ROB WILL RUN US THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT IN A MINUTE.

UM, ARE THERE CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? AND IF YOU PLEASE COME UP, UM, TO THE PODIUM.

I'M SORRY.

IT, IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

OH.

OH, IT IS.

YOU TOO GUYS.

SO NO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON OFF AGENDA ITEMS. DID WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? OH, YEAH, I FORGOT.

CAN WE APPROVE THE AGENDA? I'LL TAKE A, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH, I KNOW.

IT'S AS I, I WAS SO FOCUSED ON THE SMALL AMOUNT OF THE AGENDA, SMALL AMOUNT OF ITEMS. UM,

[7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP 5 ACRES (R300 016 000 0063 0000, R300 016 000 0064 0000, R300 016 000 0065 0000) FROM T3HN TO T4VC]

SO WE CAN START ON OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM, WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE TABLE 3.60 CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, UH, 3.2 0.40, UH, H IN ALLOWED USES IN THE ZONE T TWO R.

THAT IS T TWO RURAL AND DIVISION 4.1 SPECIFIC TO USE.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT ACTUALLY HAS, UH, ITS OWN NUMBER, A CASE NUMBER, WHICH IS, UH, CDPA, UH, 4 0 5 6 2 0 2 5.

UM, AND MAYBE ROB WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF, OR KRISTEN OR KRISTEN OR WHOMEVER, MEMBER, MEMBER OF THE STAFF.

THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, TO BE REPLACED WITH SCHOOL SITE SHALL UTILIZE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER LINES AND SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF EXISTING PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER LINES.

HAVE A FEW TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT WE'LL BE OH, OKAY.

AFTER, OR GOOD EVENING.

UM, WILL YOU SCROLL DOWN? OKAY.

OH, HOLD ON.

OH, WE HAVE A, THERE WE GO.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE SLOW.

AND IF WE COULD MAYBE ZOOM IN.

ALL RIGHT.

SO BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE USE OF A SCHOOL FROM, UH, CURRENTLY IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN T TWO RURAL.

UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL TO CONDITIONALLY ALLOW IT IN T TWO RURAL.

UM, I GUESS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT, LET'S GO BACK AND DISCUSS THE FOUR OPTIONS ON THE USE TABLE.

UM, SO WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE IS ALLOWED IN A ZONING DISTRICT BY, RIGHT.

THE CONDITIONAL USE IS PERMITTED IN A ZONING DISTRICT, YET SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL STANDARDS, UM, OR CONDITIONS SPECIFIED FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE.

A SPECIAL USE REQUIRES THE APPROVAL OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ALSO ARE ZBOA.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, IF NONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE LISTED, THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, SO TODAY WE HAVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT SEEKS TO CONDITIONALLY PERMIT SCHOOL, UH, THE USE OF SCHOOL EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

WITHIN T TWO RURAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS BY THE APPLICANT ARE AS FOLLOWS, A EITHER HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OR EXTEND PAVED ACCESS AS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD.

UM, AND THEN B, EITHER HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OR EXTEND UTILITIES AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER SYSTEM.

UM, SO TO ENSURE PROPER LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS PROPOSED, UM, UM, CONDITIONS

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UM, AND THEN B WAS REPLACED WITH, UH, SCHOOL SITE REQUIRING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL ALSO PROVIDE SCHOOL ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLANS, INCLUDING PEAK HOUR, UH, MODELING BUS AND CAR RIDER, VEHICLE SEPARATION DESIGN, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS DURING PEAK AM ARRIVAL AND PM DISMISSAL TIMES.

UM, IN CONCLUSION, COULD YOU, IT'S VERY SLOW TODAY.

UM, IN CONCLUSION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THOSE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

UM, WE SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT AS IT WOULD ELIMINATE CONFLICT WITH THE CDC BY RECTIFYING, UH, THREE CURRENT EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SCHOOL SITES, WHICH ARE OCOEE ELEMENTARY, SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY AND WHALE BRANCH EARLY COLLEGE THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE TWO TWO RURAL DISTRICT CURRENTLY.

THAT'S ABOUT IT.

KRISTEN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS.

UH, WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IS THE CASE, IS IT EITHER HAS TO BE A OR B.

IT COULD BE BOTH, BUT I THINK THE WAY THIS READS IS IT HAS TO BE A AND B.

WAS THERE ANY DRIVING IMPETUS BEHIND THIS OR WAS IT PRIMARILY JUST TO CLEAN UP THE CODE? SO, SO WE DO, THIS WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO US BY THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD.

SO WHAT, HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU ANY PLANS GOING FORWARD OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? OR IS THIS JUST A WHAT IF TYPE OF THING? YOU OH, CAN YOU HEAR? CAN YOU HEAR ME? AH, AWESOME.

SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES HERE.

THEY'RE ENGINEER AND, UM, UH, CAROL CRUTCHFIELD WHO WORKS IN THE, UM, THE OPERATIONS PLANNING.

UM, BUT THEY APPROACHED US BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SOME SITES IN MIND THAT ARE ZONED T TWO RURAL.

UM, BUT WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE LOOKING AT THE LARGER PICTURE THAT WE KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND BUILD THEIR INVENTORY FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES.

AND SO THEY APPROACH US ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UM, FOR ONE SPECIFIC SITE, WHICH I COULD LET THEM SPEAK TO.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME PROVISION IN THE CODE TO ALLOW SCHOOLS IN RURAL? AND WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS WOULD WE WANNA PUT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A VERY INTENSE LAND USE IN REMOTE PARTS OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO, TO SERVE THEM.

AND SO IN, IN ADDITION, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS VERY CLEARLY THAT WE DON'T PROMOTE EXTENDING SEWER IN RURAL AREAS.

SO IF A SCHOOL SITE IS GOING TO BE IN EMIT PROPERTIES AND RURAL, IT NEEDS TO BE IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY SERVED BY SEWER.

WE DO HAVE EXAMPLES.

UM, I WOULD, I COULD, I COULD THINK OF THREE IN PARTICULAR, WELL, FOUR AREAS.

ONE IS THAT THERE'S SOME RURAL ZONED LAND, UH, IN AND AROUND LAUREL BAY, THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

THAT'S WHERE SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY IS LOCATED.

AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC SEWER AVAILABLE IN, NOT CONSISTENTLY IN EVERY STREET, BUT THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY WHERE PUBLIC SEWER IS AVAILABLE.

THE, UM, EARLY BRANCH, UH, OR, OR THE, I'M SORRY, I'M THINKING OF, OF EARLY BRANCH IN HAMPTON COUNTY, , THE WHALE BRANCH EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL IS, UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE THERE IS LAND UP THERE THAT IS ZONED T TWO RURAL, UM, SEWER WAS ORIGINALLY EXTENDED INTO THAT AREA TO SERVE THE WHALE BRANCH, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND THEN SEVERAL YEARS LATER THEY BUILT THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS AN LANDED A ZONE RURAL, BUT IT WAS PERMITTED UNDER OUR, UM, FORMER ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA.

OH, I CAN STAND UP IN THE PODIUM, BUT , IT'S NICE TO HAVE A MICROPHONE

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OVER THERE.

I CAN JUST KINDA SIT DOWN.

BUT ANOTHER, ANOTHER AREA OF OUR COUNTY IS AROUND THE CORONER'S COMMUNITY ON ST.

HELEN ISLAND, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEWER THAT, UM, SERVES DHA AND THEN GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UM, TO ST.

HELENA ELEMENTARY.

SO WE HAVE AN AREA OF ST.

HELEN ISLAND WHERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE RURAL SITES THAT ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF SEWER.

AND THEN THE, UM, FOURTH AREAS, THERE ARE AREAS ALONG THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR THAT ARE STILL THEN RURAL AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE IN PARTS OF THOSE AREAS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THE IMPACT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR REACHES OF SHELDON OR, UM, ST.

HELEN ISLAND, AWAY FROM THE, THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, THE CORNERS COMMUNITY, THOSE AREAS DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER.

THEY WOULDN'T, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ON HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T CITE A SCHOOL IN THOSE AREAS.

SO IT, IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL LAND AVAILABLE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITHOUT GOING AGAINST OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR EXTENDING INTENSE USES IN PARTS OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE, THAT REALLY CAN'T SUPPORT THEM.

SO THAT'S, UH, AS, AS SEWER IS EXTENDED, THAT WILL AUTOMATIC, LET'S SAY THERE'S NONE RIGHT NOW TO, TO T TWO R COMMUNITY OR SECTION AS SEWER IS EXTENDED TO THAT AREA IN THE FUTURE, THEN AUTOMATICALLY THAT PROPERTY WILL THEN BE ELIGIBLE, PROVIDED IT'S WITHIN THE 500 FEET, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SET, WELL, SEWER BEING EXTENDED IN RURAL, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, OUR COMFORTS OF PLAN IS VERY CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT EXCEPT FOR CASES OF WHERE YOU HAVE A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, THE, THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER THAT SEPARATES PORT ROYAL ISLAND FROM THE SHELDON AREA, UM, WE DON'T HAVE SEWER JUMPING OVER THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER TO SERVE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE.

AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD LIMIT A SCHOOL BEING ABLE TO CITE OVER INTO SHELDON AREA.

BUT THERE ARE AREAS NOW THAT DO NOT HAVE SEWER THAT COULD IN THE FUTURE, STRICTLY BY SEWER EXPANSION IN, IN AREAS UNLIKE JUMPING A RIVER.

YES, YES.

SO I'M JUST SAYING AUTOMATICALLY THEY QUALIFY MENTIONED THE ST.

HELENA AROUND THE CORONER'S COMMUNITY, UM, AROUND THE EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL, ALONG THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR, THOSE AREAS.

IS ZONED T TWO R CONSISTENT WITH THEIR OTHER SCHOOLS THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SCHOOL USES.

BUT BUDGET, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING US, NOT SETTING THE COUNTY UP FOR FAILURE GOING FORWARD.

AND THE, THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND WHEN I READ THIS, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, WAS THE RIVER OAKS COMMU AN OLDER COMMUNITY, AND IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE ANY IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHATSOEVER.

AND THEN THEY CHANGED, AND THEN THE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OVERFLOWED.

I, AND, AND I JUST LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT BEAUFORT COUNTY, THE MEDIAN AGE OF, OF, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IS APPROXIMATELY 48 YEARS OF AGE, AND ALMOST 30% OF IT IS 65 OR OLDER.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND MOVE FORWARD, THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF FAMILIES MOVING HERE.

HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN GET THE WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES SQUARED AWAY.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE US MAKING A MISTAKE TO WHERE IF THERE IS A COMMUNITY OR AN AREA THAT IS IN A T TWO RURAL AREA.

AND THEN THE NEXT THING THESE FOLKS KNOW, THERE IS A, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PLANS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND THAT WAS ON OUR MINDS AS WELL WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATION.

BUT I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD SPEAK TO THEIR PLANS.

UM, SO COMMENTS, COMMENTS FROM , WHOEVER WANTS TO SPEAK, STEP UP.

GOOD EVENING.

CONNOR BLANEY WITH WARD EDWARDS ENGINEERING.

HAPPY TO BE HERE.

THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ORIGINALLY APPROACHED ME AND WE APPROACHED, UM, MR. ROB MERCHANT AND THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS, UM, THERE WAS ONE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED EXISTING SCHOOLS THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING, BUT AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS LOOKING TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES.

THOSE AREN'T BEING PROPOSED FOR SCHOOLS IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LAND TO BUILD FUTURE SCHOOLS.

UM, AND A LOT OF THE LAND

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AND SO WE APPROACHED THE COUNTY ASKING THE POSSIBILITY, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO POSSIBLY REZONE SHOULD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT START TO ACQUIRE OR PURSUE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.

UM, THE PROBLEM WITH REZONING IS YOU WOULD UNINTENTIONALLY OPEN THE DOOR FOR HIGHER DENSITY USES, UM, WHICH LED THE CONVERSATION TO, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING SCHOOLS IN PLACE UNDER T TWO R, MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW SPECIFICALLY ONLY SCHOOLS AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND APPLY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS IN A GRANTS WITH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

UM, AND ONE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ALREADY OWNS IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, PROPERTY IN FRONT OF ODE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CURRENTLY ZONED T TWO R.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN'T DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.

UM, THEY DON'T HAVE IMMEDIATE PLANS TOO, BUT SHOULD, SHOULD THE NEED ARISE THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL THERE UNDER CURRENT ZONING, THEY CAN'T.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

COULD THERE ALSO BE LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE AND GENERAL OFFICES THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM COULD BE PLACED ON THESE PARCELS IN A T TWO R, LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT? T TWO R CURRENTLY DOESN'T ALLOW OFFICE USES OF ANY KIND.

AND THAT WAS NOT IN THE PROPOSED, UM, SUBMITTAL FOR THE, OKAY.

ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS? NO.

NO.

UM, THANK YOU MORE FROM THE AUDIENCE.

PLEASE.

I NEED TO SPEAK, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ISSUE, NAME AND ADDRESS WOULD BE HELPFUL.

MY NAME IS MARY CONNOR.

I LIVE IN, UM, THE PINNEY COLONY AREA OF BLUFFTON.

UM, I DO LIVE IN A T TWO R ZONE.

THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT ME AT ALL.

SO IT'S NOT KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO ME BECAUSE MY PERSONAL RESIDENCE IS PROTECTED BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

HOWEVER, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE AT T TWO R AND IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT MEANS WITH THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, YOU COULD WAKE UP ONE DAY AND FIND THAT THERE'S A SCHOOL BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE RURAL.

UM, JUST TO REVIEW, I'LL STATE THE PURPOSE OF THE T TWO R ZONE.

IT'S INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.

IT APPLIES TO AREAS THAT CONSISTS OF SPARSELY SETTLED LAND IN AN OPEN OR CULTIVATED STATE.

IT MAY INCLUDE LARGE RESIDENTIAL LOTS FARMS, PLACES WHERE CROPS ARE GROWN PARKS, WOODLAND, GRASSLAND TRAILS, OPEN SPACE.

THE T TWO RURAL ZONE IMPLEMENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OF PRESERVING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.

SO GOING THROUGH THE POINTS THAT THEY MADE, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SAY NO, IT'S NOT.

THE FEEDER POPULATION FOR SCHOOLS IS NOT LOCATED IN T TWO R ZONES.

STUDENTS MAINLY COME FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH HIGHER DENSITY ZONING.

THE CHANGES ONLY FARMS OUT THE SCHOOLS NEEDED TO RURAL AREAS.

IT WILL NOT PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER POINT TO IT'S IN CONFLICT WITH PROVISIONS.

YES, IT'S, AS I JUST READ THREE.

DOES IT ADDRESS COMMUNITY NEED? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

IS IT, IS THIS REQUIRED BY CHANGING CONDITIONS? YES.

INCREASE DEVELOPMENT IN RURAL AREAS.

SCHOOLS ARE RESTRICTED IN RURAL AREAS.

SPECIAL USE WAS REMOVED FROM THE CDC FOR THE VERY REASON THAT SCHOOLS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RURAL AREAS.

THE CDC WAS CREATED WITH GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC INPUT AND THEY ASKED FOR THEIR NOT TO BE SCHOOLS IN RURAL DISTRICTS.

IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE? AND WOULD IT IMPROVE COMPATIBILITY AMONG USES AND ENSURE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY? THE ARGUMENT THAT THE SCHOOLS NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMITY IS A NOT, NOT A GOOD REASON.

THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES AND BEAUFORT COUNTY, AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT DON'T CONFORM TO CURRENT ZONING, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.

WOULD IT RESULT IN A LOGICAL DEVELOPMENT? NO, IT WOULD DEFINITELY

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IT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE T TWO R ZONING ALSO, AS POINTED OUT.

IS THAT MY TIMER? YEP.

OH, CAN I GO? OKAY.

THOUGHT WE SAID CONDITIONS CHANGE, RELAX A BIT TONIGHT.

AND AS YOU ASKED, CONDITIONS CHANGE.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILMAN GLOVER.

DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS TO MAKE? NO, NO.

OBSERVED THIS.

OH, EXCELLENT.

EXCELLENT.

UM, UM, MR. MS. CRUTCHFIELD, DID YOU HAVE SOME OR, UM, YOU, YOU, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON YOUR OWN? AGREED WITH HIM IN HIS PRESENTATION? OH, YEP.

I QUESTION, QUESTION.

UM, ONE OF THE TEXT, TEXT CHANGES THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE CONSIDERED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

'CAUSE IT COULD BE A SPECIAL PURPOSE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, WHERE IT'S S INSTEAD OF C, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT.

UM, YOU COULD STILL HAVE SCHOOLS THERE, BUT THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, I DON'T WANT IT HERE AND THIS IS WHY.

SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THE STAFF WHY THAT WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERED.

UM, WE DID TALK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THAT.

UM, I THINK, I AGREE THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A SPECIAL USE IS IT DOES ADD A PUBLIC COMPONENT.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I, I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S POINT OF VIEW, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT PURCHASING FUTURE SCHOOL SITES FOR MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY HAD, THERE'S NO MECHANISM TO PURCHASE LAND TODAY AND GET A SPECIAL USE.

THE SPECIAL USE IS OBTAINED WHEN YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PROPERTY.

SO THEY MAY BUY A PROPERTY AND THEN IN 10 YEARS GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS.

AND THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GRANT.

SO THAT WAS A, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THAT, BUT I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOKING FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES, THERE IS A PROBLEM IN IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT LAND TO PURCHASE NOW, THAT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED FOR SCHOOL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

UM, AND THEY DO, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE CURRENT SITES AND THERE'S ONE ON SPRINGFIELD ROADS.

YOU HAVE OTHER SITES THAT, THAT ARE JUST, UM, MAYBE FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR PLAN FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE NOW.

SO, BUT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, CONSIDERED, CONSIDERED WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT.

I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT.

THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.

NOPE.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION.

THEY SIT ON IT THREE OR FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME T TWO R THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO RES RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE, NOT SUSCEPTIBLE, MORE LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED.

I HAVE A QUESTION GOING BACK TO KIND OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER, GOING BACK WHAT I SAID EARLIER AS THINGS ARE EXP EXPAND, I MEAN, CAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE SITES THEY'RE CONSIDERING NOW? AND NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THIS.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL WHICH ONES YOU'RE THINKING OF PURCHASING NOW I'M JUST ASKING THE, THE SITES THAT YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON.

THERE ARE SOME SITES OUT THERE, I'M SURE T TWO R THAT ARE, WHETHER YOU OWN THEM, WELL, IF YOU OWN THEM, YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT.

BUT THERE'S SOME SITES OUT THERE T TWO R THAT JUST ARE NOWHERE IN THE FUTURE THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE AN INTEREST IN PUTTING A SCHOOL ON STRICTLY BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT BE NEAR UTILITIES PER SE.

BUT THE TWO PART QUESTION IS, THE EXISTING SITES THAT YOU DO OWN THAT ARE TWO T TWO R, COULD WE POSSIBLY ADDRESS THAT NOW AND GIVE THIS LEVEL OR RECOMMEND THIS LEVEL OF APPRO OF APPROVAL? AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, ROB, AS THEY'RE CONSIDERING PURCHASING AREAS TO DO IT AT THAT TIME AND MAKE THE PURCHASE CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THIS? NOW, EVEN IF

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AND THERE'S SOME THAT YOU JUST DON'T WANNA SAY NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA LET IT HAPPEN.

'CAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND HAVING LIVED IN COMMUNITIES THAT WENT THROUGH THIS, I DEFINITELY CAN BE, UH, SYMPATHETIC TO BOTH SIDES.

SO CAN WE, CAN WE DO AN APPROVED THAT WAY AND HAVE IT CARRY FORWARD? I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAP AMENDMENT AS OPPOSED TO A TEXT AMENDMENT.

SO IF THEY HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING, THEY WOULD COME TO THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.

I THINK WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IS, UM, HAVING SOME SITES IN MIND, BUT WANTING TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH.

AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL, BUT THEIR INTENT.

BUT IN DISCUSSING THIS, I FELT LIKE ONE PIECEMEAL APPROACH, HAVING ONE SITE SCRUTINIZED WHEN IT'S THEIR INTENTION TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES.

AND I, I DEFINITELY INTEREST, EXCUSE ME, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME WITH MY ENGLISH LANGUAGE TODAY, BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HIT IT TODAY AND COVER EVERYTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND COVER EVERYTHING.

DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.

BUT IF YOU OWN A HALF DOZEN SITES NOW THAT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY, CERTAINLY YOU CAN DO THE MAP AMENDMENT THAT, THAT ROB MENTIONED.

RECOMMEND THAT FOR NOW AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME WHEN YOU'RE PURCHASING SOMETHING, MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON THAT.

AFTER ALL, IF SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO BE JACKED UP ANYWAY.

SO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M JUST THINKING UNLESS YOU'RE USING A LOT OF STRAW BUYERS, BUT I'M JUST THINKING THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH ENDS OF THIS.

I'M JUST THINKING THERE MIGHT BE TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH END.

JUST GIVING A BLANK OPEN SLATE, JUST GIVING A BLANK, AND PLEASE FORGIVE MY USE OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT PLEASE FORGIVE MY USE OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT AT EVERY MAP AMENDMENT IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF CONDITIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW, SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY, I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT MAY BE SURROUNDED BY OTHER RURAL PROPERTIES.

SO THAT MIGHT PRESENT A SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SPOT ZONING.

SO THERE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MAP AMENDMENT IS GONNA HAVE A, A UNIQUE SET OF CONDITIONS AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE BEST APPROACH TO DEAL WITH EACH OF THE SCHOOL SITES.

SO THAT THE OTHER CONCERN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT IS ONCE YOU REZONE A PROPERTY, THEN YOU ARE OPENING IT UP TO ALL THE USES THAT THAT DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW.

SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN MIND, A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN MIND, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OTHER MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THEM FROM SELLING IT AND END UP BECOMING DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RISK IN BOTH APPROACHES.

I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY, BUT I'M NOT TALK, OKAY, THERE WERE TWO OF ME HERE FOR A MOMENT.

, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MAP, EXCUSE ME, A REZONING THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A REZONING.

YOU COULDN'T JUST PUT THE C INTO SOME OF THE TWO TWO TO SOME OF THE T TWO R'S.

I MEAN IT'S CONDITIONAL THAT THESE OTHER EXISTENCE AND JUST SAY, THIS WILL APPLY TO THIS PARCEL BECAUSE WE NOW RECOGNIZE IT AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONDITION, OTHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS DENSE HOUSING OR WHATEVER EXISTS FOR THAT PROPERTY, THEY MAY NOT EXIST NOW.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T EXIST NOW, WHY? WHY DO IT? YEAH.

SO FOR ONE THING, WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT, IN ORDER TO DISTINGUISH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE ZONING DISTRICT.

SO T TWO RURAL, THAT'S WHY HAVING IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND HAVING IT, THE CONDITION ABOUT ACCESS TO PUBLIC SEWER, THAT'S ONE LIMITING FACTOR.

SO THAT YOU COULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING INTO RURAL BASED ON WHERE THE AVAILABILITY OF SEWER IS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL SUBSET OF LAND THAT IS ZONE T TWO RURAL.

SO THAT IN A WAY, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS A MEANS

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OF ACCOMPLISHING.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS A MEANS OF ACCOMPLISHING, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

UH, YES.

BUT I HAVE SEEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT BUST THEIR KIDS A LONG DISTANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PIECE OF GROUND THAT CAN PUT A SCHOOL ON THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS IN THE AREA.

AND I DON'T, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO KNOW IF THAT COULD EXIST HERE, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE IT'LL BE A DETRIMENT IF, IF IT'S ALL, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN LIVING AROUND IT AND THEY JUST HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THAT'S NOT, ESPECIALLY WITH A HIGH SCHOOL WHERE KIDS CAN DRIVE CARS IN AND OUT AND BUSES COME IN AND OUT.

YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERSON ON THE WALKER THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING.

UM, THERE ARE TWO SIDES AS WE ACKNOWLEDGE, I'M LET'S, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING WITHOUT MAKING IT INOPERABLE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE? I'M ASKING, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER I'M ASKING, I DUNNO THE ANSWER.

AND TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF EACH ONE AND PLUSES AND MINUSES OF EACH ONE.

I THINK, WELL, I THINK JANE BRINGS UP A A VALID POINT TO AN EXTENT.

UH, I KIND OF WISH, YOU KNOW, GLEN WOULD PIPE IN ONLINE.

I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT TO AN EXTENT.

I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, WE'RE, WE'RE TASKED WITH HAVING A VISION FOR THIS COUNTY AS IT MOVES FORWARD.

AND YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, JUST BY TRYING TO NEATEN THINGS UP OR CLEAN THINGS UP IN ONE UMBRELLA IS FINE.

BUT I THINK IT LACKS THE VISION GOING FORWARD AS FLUID AS THE DYNAMICS OF THIS COUNTY ARE TAKING ALMOST MONTHLY.

I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A VERY, UM, I MEAN WE'RE ISSUES NEAR US RIGHT NOW.

THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE 20 YEARS AGO ARE IMPACTING US NOW.

NOT VERY FAVORABLE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS UNFAVORABLE, BUT I KIND OF ALMOST FEEL THAT, WELL, WE WANT TO PUT A SCHOOL IN A RURAL AREA, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE YET, BUT WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

AND JUST LIKE THIS WOMAN BACK HERE WAS SAYING, UH, I'VE LIVED HERE FOREVER AND NEXT THING I KNOW I'M HEARING SCHOOL BELLS GOING OFF AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, 12 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, CARS RUNNING IN AND OUT.

I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I, I, I WANT LOOK OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S IN PLACE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS TO BE EXPANSION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS TO BE EXPANSION.

LET ME HAVING THE, UM, THE SPECIAL USE S RATHER THAN C, UM, SPECIAL USE S RATHER, IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT ASPECT.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH IT.

AND I'VE PUSHED THAT AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO IF THAT CHANGED TO MY MIND TONIGHT, UM, I THINK IT DID.

CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH PERHAPS DOING FURTHER STUDIES TO SEE IF IT CAN BE DONE UNDER A SPECIAL USE AND DONE WITH PUBLIC INPUT CASE BY CASE AND DONE WITH PUBLIC INPUT? I MEAN, THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS OBTAINED WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A PROPERTY.

UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO HAVING A PREEMPTIVE SPECIAL USE FOR A SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IN 10 YEARS, YOU'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A MIDDLE OR ELEMENTARY.

I'M, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL, BUT I, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE LIMITATIONS AT THAT PLACES.

IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING TO BUILD UP LAND INVENTORY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THAT AN OPTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL AS OPPOSED TO CONDITIONAL.

THAT'S A PREROGATIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PREROGATIVE.

WE'RE JUST, UH, YEAH, I'LL CHIME IN ON THIS.

I DON'T LIKE THE SPECIAL USE BECAUSE IF A SCHOOL DISTRICT'S GOING TO ACQUIRE A PROPERTY, I THINK THEY SHOULD KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, BUT WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD WHEN THEY ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT PURCHASING PROPERTY IN UPFRONT AND JUST FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES, I WAS ON A SCHOOL BOARD YEARS AGO, SO I HAVE, I

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UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF SCHOOLS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.

UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS THING AS PRESENTED.

I THOUGHT I COULD WHEN I READ IT, BUT I CAN'T.

AND IF WE COULD GO BACK AND EXPLORE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU EXPLORE WITH, POSSIBLY WITH STAFF FURTHER, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO PUT THAT CONDITIONAL USE ON A T TWO R, AS IT'S, AS IT'S NEEDED, AS A CIRCUMSTANCE ARISES AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STARTS LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, UM, I COULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE AT LEAST THAT GIVES THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND SAY, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE MAKE IT WANTS THIS PROPERTY.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE A SCHOOL, THERE MAY BE 10 OR 15 YEARS OUT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED, WE UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE RIGHT THERE.

I FEEL COMFORTABLE.

AND THAT GIVES SOMETHING LIKE THE SPECIAL USE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY KNOW TODAY WE'RE GONNA DEFINITELY BUILD A SCHOOL, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IS PRESENTLY PRESENTED.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IS PRESENTLY PRESENTED.

DID THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WANT TO PRESENT AGAIN OR PRESENT AGAIN, THANK Y'ALL.

UM, I HEAR THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE BOARD LOUD AND CLEAR.

UM, AND IT'S VERY VALID CONCERNS.

UM, MAY I PROPOSE THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS WITH THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED, BUT LET'S ADD A COUPLE CONDITIONS, MAYBE INCREASED 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED WOODED BUFFERS FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL USES AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PAPER ROAD THAT FURTHER MINIMIZES, UM, ANY RURAL AREAS THAT ARE DIRT ROADS OR NOT NEAR INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, MORE RURAL THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER.

UM, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR INCREASED BUFFERS FOR ANY CONCERNS THAT EXISTING RESIDENTS IS THAT HAVE ALREADY MOVED IN NEXT TO AN ADJACENT T TWO RURAL, UM, PROPERTY.

NOW YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, OF, FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND THAT IS ALL.

CRUTCHFIELD, UM, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES PLANNING CONSTRUCTION.

WELL, WHO WANTS TO TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION? WHO WANTS TO TAKE A STAB? , MAY I, I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM, BUT THIS YOUNG LADY BACK HERE, I'M NOT TRYING TO EXPRESSED HER CONCERN.

AND SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE AUDIENCE TODAY, YOU'VE HEARD THAT RESPON, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING MORE CECE THAT YOU'D BE MORE RECEPTIVE TO PLEASE? I CAN'T GET MY WORDS OUT.

RECEPTIVE TO PLEASE FORGIVE.

I CAN'T GET WORDS OUT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I MEAN, 50 FOOT, YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

UM, THAT'S LIKE FROM THERE TO THERE.

AND I ACTUALLY OWN A FARM, SO I OPERATE A FARM AND IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL THAT JUST POPPED UP NEXT TO MY FARM, THAT WOULD BE CRAZY.

UM, AND ALSO IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE PROPOSED SCHOOLS ARE GONNA GO, BUT JUST SUPPOSE IT WAS NEXT TO A FARM.

I HAVE A CERTIFIED ORGANIC FARM, BUT THERE'S MANY FARMS IN ST.

HELENA AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THAT 50 FOOT WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT.

AND IF YOU HAD A HOUSE 50 FEET, I DON'T THINK SO.

IF YOU HAD HORSES, LIVESTOCK, 50 FEET, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE BOTH UNSAFE FOR CHILDREN AND UNSAFE FOR ANIMALS TO BE IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY.

NOW I KNOW MOST OF OUR TR TWO, T TWO R IS IN PROBABLY RESIDENTIAL WHERE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER HOBBY FARMS OR JUST BIG ESTATES OR A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST HAVE LARGE TRACKS OF PROPERTY AT THIS POINT STILL.

BUT STILL 50 FOOT MIGHT BE OKAY.

MIGHT NOT BE OKAY.

DEPENDS ON WHAT'S NOT, WHAT IS NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.

SO ANYWAY, I THINK MAYBE A THOUSAND FEET, MAYBE SAYING, SORRY, DO THAT.

SO I'VE BEEN DOING PLANNING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SINCE ACTUALLY BEFORE I CAME TO WORK FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, I WAS A CONSULTANT AND THEN CAME HERE.

SO I HAVE SEEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN BEFOR COUNTY AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND I WON'T SAY THAT WE WEREN'T GUILTY AT ONE TIME OF PURCHASING, YOU KNOW, SOME LAND.

AND IT SEEMED FAR AWAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT.

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OUR PHILOSOPHY IS BUILD THE SCHOOL WHERE THE KIDS ARE OR WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING BECAUSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALREADY APPROVED.

SO WITH LIMITED LARGE TRACKS OUT THERE, I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, OUR OPTIONS ARE VERY LIMITED ANYWAY BECAUSE THOSE TRACKS DON'T EXIST.

THERE ARE A FEW, THERE AREN'T MANY.

SO THAT , WE'RE NOT GONNA PLOP A A SCHOOL DOWN SOMEWHERE OUT ON A RURAL FARM OUT IN HAM.

IT'S NOT GROWING RIGHT NOW.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY TO YOU ALL.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL.

SO EVEN IF WE DO PURCHASE SOME LAND, AGAIN, IT'S LAND BANKING FOR US.

THAT'S BEEN A GOAL OF OURS FOR, FOR MANY YEARS SINCE, YES, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IS TO, TO BUY ENOUGH TRACKS OF LAND SO THAT WE CAN STRATEGICALLY PLACE THINGS WHEN WE NEED IT.

WE DO HAVE RURAL LAND OUT THERE AT SPRINGFIELD ROAD RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE NO PLANS TO BUILD ANYTHING THERE BECAUSE THE GROWTH HASN'T HAPPENED THERE BECAUSE WE PUT IN SOME GROWTH BOUNDARIES THAT SORT OF STOPPED THAT IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD ALREADY PURCHASED THAT LAND.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN, I CAN SAY TO YOU ALL BUT OUR, OUR CONCERN IS SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR FOCUS IS FOR THIS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR YES, MA'AM.

COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH ACRE BUILDING SCHOOL? IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH QUESTION, KIND OF SCHOOL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO BUILD.

SO USUALLY WE TRY WHAT, 25, 20 25 ACRES ISH FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND THAT'S BUILDABLE, NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SWAMP ON THERE OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN I WOULD SAY FOR MIDDLE WE NEED ABOUT 35, 40 ACRES.

THEN A HIGH SCHOOL, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 70 ACRES TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL THE FIELDS ON.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S BUILDABLE TRACKS.

DON'T YOU THINK YOU'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER LANDOWNER 15 ACRES? NO, NO, NO.

WE'RE NOT GONNA ANYTHING THAT SMALL.

NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE AN EARLY CHILDHOOD.

WHAT IS THE ONE WE JUST PURCHASED? EARLY CHILDHOOD.

THAT'S 20 ACRES, I THINK.

AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT NOT ALL BUILDABLE.

ANYTHING ELSE? TRYING TO THINK.

I, I UNDERSTAND AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GIVE ME THESE NUMBERS OR YOU MAY NOT HAVE 'EM READY AVAILABLE, READILY AVAILABLE.

IT'S STARTING TO GET GENE DISEASE HERE.

I CAN'T TALK THE, THE PROPERTY THAT YOU BOUGHT DOWN ON SPRINGFIELD, UH, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT PURCHASED DOWN ON SPRINGFIELD.

HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT PURCHASED? LIKE A WAG.

THAT'S A WILD, I WOULD SAY WAS TWO THOUSAND'S.

A OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THE MID TWO THOUSANDS, LIKE 2000.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ROB ? I'M NOT SURE.

DO YOU REMEMBER EXACTLY? PROBABLY.

I THINK IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME WHEN I STARTED THIS DISTRICT, BUT WE, WE COULD PROBABLY ALL BE IN AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED 20 YEARS AGO, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT IT'S GONE UP? SO IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN AND BUY THAT FROM THE SCHOOL COUNTY AT A, OR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR THE COUNTY AT A HUGE PROFIT FOR THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR THE COUNTY, THEY COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR THE COUNTY COULD DO THAT.

CHOSE TO SELL IT RULES.

HER RULES ARE SELLING PROPERTY TO THAT WERE GOVERNED BY THE STATE OFFICE OF SCHOOL FACILITIES.

AND SO THEY HAVE TO BE OFFERED FIRST TO, UH, CHARTER SCHOOLS OFFERED.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN IF NOBODY NEEDS THAT, THEN IT CAN GO ON THE MARKET.

SO WE ARE GOVERNED BY THAT SET OF RULES TOO, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE A SET OF RULES FOR SITING, UH, WHAT, WHEN WE GO TO PURCHASE A SITE, THAT IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AS WELL.

I GET THAT.

I, I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE TO GIVE, AND I HATE USING THIS TERM AGAIN, TO GIVE THAT BLANKET CLEARANCE OF T TWO R THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH CONDITIONAL PERMITS.

I THINK WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO MAYBE GO ABOUT THIS.

THAT IF THE, IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS GOING TO BUY LANDS UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU COULD ALWAYS HOLD ONTO IT FOR 10 YEARS.

10 YEARS GOES BY AND WE SEE THE GROWTH INSTEAD OF WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE WITH OUR CRYSTAL BALL.

IT'S NOT, IT'S 10 MILES AWAY, 20 MILES AWAY OR SOMETHING

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LIKE THAT.

WELL, NOW WE'VE GOT A CHUNK OF LAND.

WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? WELL, NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE HOOPS.

LIKE YOU SAID, IF A CHARTER SCHOOL WANTED TO COME IN, THAT'S FINE.

OR IF NOT, IT COULD PUT THE STATE SIZE LOTS OR WHATEVER COULD BE IN AT THAT TIME AT T TWO R, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN AND CHANGE THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING AND WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.

BUT I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GUARDRAILS IN PLACE TO PROTECT, LIKE THIS YOUNG LADY BACK HERE HAD MENTIONED FROM SCHOOLS COMING IN 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT A SCHOOL GOING UP NEXT TO HER AND SHE'S LIKE, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? GOTTA LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR CURRENT CITIZENS.

I UNDERSTAND.

WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THIS FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING HERE TOO.

WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLACE, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHER MEASURES.

WE'RE NOT JUST SUCH, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE HERE SAID, YOU CAN'T TRY AND PUT A A, A, WHAT'D YOU SAY? A ROUND HOLE IN A SQUARE PEG OR PEG ALL.

BUT YES, EXACTLY.

BUT WE GOTTA, EVERYTHING IS FLUID.

WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THINGS CHANGE AND THINGS ARE GONNA FIT ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

SO I'M ALMOST IN WITH JEAN HERE.

I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS AFFECTS OUR CURRENT SCHOOLS THAT ARE ZONED THAT WAY, THAT ARE DONE THAT WAY.

IT WOULD LIMIT EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING USE TO 15%.

SO THERE ARE , BUT THERE COULD ALWAYS, THERE COULD ALWAYS BE A VARIANCE OR ADDITIONAL TYPE OF EXPANSION THAT THEY COULD DO.

THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN HOOPS AT THAT TIME.

LET'S LIKE, LOOK AT, WELL BRANCH WHERE MAYBE THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY.

I REALLY GOT IT.

GENE, THANKS.

THE ABILITY TO EXPAND, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN HOOPS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN WITH PUBLIC INPUT.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

MIGHT MY THOUGHT.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

MY THOUGHT.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

FRENCH? PARDON? USUALLY ZOOM HAS A CALL IN NUMBER ALSO, USUALLY ZOOM HAS A CALL IN NUMBER ALSO, IT'S STILL QUITE A FEEDBACK.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BEING REPRESENTED HERE, BUT THIS SAYS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

PRIVATE SCHOOLS MAY HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL, BUT THEY'RE STILL A SCHOOL.

WHOEVER IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO START THE MOTION GOING.

UM, REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN IN, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW THAT YOU AGREE, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE.

WHOOPS.

JOHN, JOHN, I, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT.

I, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN COME IN WEAK AND BROKEN, COME IN WEAK AND BROKEN, UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU COULD HOLD WHILE IN A MOMENT THEY'RE WORKING ON THE SYSTEM, SEE IF THEY CAN GET ADJUSTED THE SYSTEM.

THAT'S OKAY.

NO WORRIES AT ALL.

COMING DOWN HERE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I DON'T.

JOHN, DO YOU WANNA TRY AGAIN? YEAH, SHOULD TRY AGAIN? YES.

JOHN, DO YOU WANNA TRY AGAIN? A LITTLE BIT? CAN YOU HEAR ME? ANYTHING BETTER? A LITTLE BIT.

CAN WAS, UM, DISCUSS, CAN WE ASK IF JOHN COULD CALL IN? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

COULD, COULD YOU JUST CALL IN INTO A MICROPHONE INSTEAD OF DOING THIS? CAN YOU JUST CALL IN? PARDON MY

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SO IF HE CALLED IN AND I PUT HIM ON SPEAKER PHONE AND HELD IT UP TO THE MIC.

OH, FROM YOUR PHONE? MAYBE? YEAH.

OH, FROM YOUR PHONE? MAYBE.

MAYBE.

HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

WE'LL DO IMPROVISE, ADAPT AND OVERCOME, IMPROVISE, ADAPT AND OVERCOME .

JOHN, ANSWER YOUR PHONE, JOHN.

ANSWER YOUR PHONE.

I GOTCHA.

YEAH, I GOTCHA.

I I I CAN ON MY PHONE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MUTE YOU OR MUTE, MUTE YOUR SCREEN SO YOU'RE NOT COMING ON THROUGH YOUR SCREEN.

YOU'LL BE COMING IN THROUGH MY PHONE.

I DID MUTE ON MY END.

IS THAT BETTER? YES, YES, YES.

YOU SOME TE FUN.

NO, UM, I GUESS I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE WAS, UM, IF, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT APPROVE THIS, HOW, HOW LONG WOULD THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE TO WAIT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK BEFORE US WITH THIS ISSUE? SO IT WOULD BE UP TO IF, UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSIONS, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

SO IT GOES, IF COUNCIL VOTED THIS DOWN, THEN THERE'S A YEAR THAT A SIMILAR APPLICATION CAN'T BE BROUGHT FORWARD.

BUT ON, ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THAT, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS NO, NO MONEY.

MONEY OR NO PLANS TO BUILD ANYTHING.

SO WHAT IS THE YEAR PROBLEM? WHAT WOULD BE THE YEAR DELAY PROBLEM? NO, I, I'M JUST ANSWERING JOHN'S QUESTION.

AND THEN I GUESS THE SECOND QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE FELT THAT, UM, IF IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER A DEFERRAL TO THINK IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT POTENTIAL, UM, CONDITIONS MIGHT MAKE THIS MORE PALATABLE.

MIGHT MAKE THIS MORE PALATABLE.

AND, AND SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ASK FOR A 30 DAY EXTENSION ON, ON MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT COULD BE ADDED THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, OR YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD REQUEST.

THAT'S CERTAINLY PLANNING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD REQUEST.

ANYTHING ELSE? JOHN, ANYTHING ELSE JOHN? NO, NO.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, WE HAD THE CHANCE TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO, UM, OPTIONS AND WHAT THEY MAY RESULT IN.

ALRIGHT.

THANKS JOHN.

CALL ME BACK IF YOU GOT MORE QUESTIONS.

WILL DO.

UH, CAN WE DO THE SAME THING, UM, WITH GLEN? UH, CAN WE DO THE SAME THING, UM, WITH GLEN? GLEN, IF YOU GOT A QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.

GLEN, IF YOU GOT A QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.

SURE, SURE.

I THINK YOU SHOULD GO HIM.

I, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.

SURE.

I THINK YOU SHOULD GO.

OH MAN.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, ROB.

BECAUSE THEY INITIATED AN AMENDMENT PLANNING COMMISSION IS A RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.

IF WE'VE, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT ROB VOTE DOWN IF OR DELAY VOTE DOWN, DOES THIS HAVE TO GO FORWARD TO THE, UM, TO THE COUNTY FOR A DECISION? OR CAN THEY, CAN THIS, CAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SAY WE'LL COME BACK IN A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS AND POSTPONE THE WHOLE THING? SO THE, THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR, MAYBE THEY SUPPORT THE GENERAL IDEA, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS LIKE A SPECIAL USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND DELAYING FOR A MONTH BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT STAFF MAYBE SITTING DOWN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO MAKE THIS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OR, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO THIS AUTOMATICALLY,

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SO IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO COUNCIL UNLESS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WITHDREW THE APPLICATION.

OR THEY COULD DEFER, THEY COULD SAY, WELL, WE WOULD LIKE THREE MONTHS TO THINK THIS THROUGH.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE OPTIONS.

BUT AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, UM, DELAYING FOR A MONTH TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS OR DENIAL, OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD WITHDRAW TONIGHT AND COME BACK THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, AS AN EXAMPLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION, UM, I, I THINK THERE, THERE COULD PROBABLY BE BE MORE WORK TO BE DONE.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE IF I, IF I WOULD, I'D MAKE A MOTION OF DEFERRAL FOR A MONTH, UM, TO FIND SOME WAY TO ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT FOR EACH OF THESE APPROVALS.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE OUTLIERS WITH SHANKLIN AND WHALE BRANCH AND OT AS FAR AS CONFORMING TO THE CODE.

BUT I THINK MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OF OUR BASES COVERED, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OPTIONS, I THINK FOR PUBLIC INPUT THAT IF THERE IS GONNA BE A SCHOOL BUILT ON AN AREA THAT'S GOING TO, WHETHER IT'S 50 FOOT, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE ALL THE, THE GUARDRAILS ARE IN PLACE.

WE, THE GUARDRAILS ARE IN PLACE.

UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A SPECIAL USE OPTION.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS CONDITIONAL USE.

THAT'S WHAT THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS RECOMMENDING A SPECIAL USE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS COMING FORWARD TO BE DEVELOPED OR BE AUTOMATIC PUBLIC HEARING AT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.

SHORT OF THOSE TWO, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IN ITS CURRENT FORM AS A TAX AMENDMENT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S IS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONDITIONAL USE, BASICALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT IF YOU MEET THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING IT APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.

IT'S THE SPECIAL USE THAT KICKS IT INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE, JUST, I'M NOT SURE IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE A MONTH TO WORK ON THIS.

I KIND OF WANT TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF THINGS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

I, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT WITH AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PRESENT THIS IN A MONTH'S TIME TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY NEED TO EITHER DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE CONDITIONAL OR SPECIAL USE WITH ALL THE DETAILS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER INFORMED DECISION.

BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, I, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT.

AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IDEAL IF STAFF AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD WORK TOGETHER.

AND IF IT TAKES MORE THAN A MONTH, THAT'S WHY I WAS LEADING TO THE THING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD WITHDRAW OR POSTPONE THEIR OWN REQUEST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

'CAUSE ONE MONTH IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, A VERY SHORT TIME.

SO AT LEAST IT'S NOT FEBRUARY, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE THREE MORE DAYS.

IT'S NOT FEBRUARY THREE MORE DAYS.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT UNDERSTOOD.

BUT I, MY, I MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER FOR 30 DAYS TO GET MORE INFORMATION UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.

AND YOU BASE THAT ON ONE, ONE THROUGH SEVEN, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE SPEAKER IN THE BACK SAID, UM, NUMBER THREE ADDRESSES A DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY MEETING AND YOUR POINT WAS, NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE SCHOOL, I MEAN, THERE ISN'T EVEN MONEY TO BUY OR TO BUILD A SCHOOL AT THE MOMENT.

SO IT ADDRESSES A COMMUNITY NEED PERHAPS, BUT I THINK WE WOULD AGREED NOT AT THIS TIME, PERHAPS.

SO IF WE GO FOR A DEFERRAL, MAYBE IT WOULD BE THAT TO SEE IF THERE IS, UM, A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS A COMMUNITY NEED.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION NUMBER

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THREE.

AND THEN, UM, I'M NOT SURE.

I WAS THINKING OF SIX WOULD RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

I THINK THE POINT OF BEING TEACHER TWO R IS THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT A SCHOOL TO KIND OF LAND ON YOUR DOORSTEP.

UM, SO THOSE, IF WHO, WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY BASE IT ON THOSE, UM, CONDITIONS.

I THINK WE, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

ARE YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD WITH, WITH THAT IT'D MAKE THE MOTION TO DEFER IF WE COULD, UH, CLARIFY ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY NEED.

AND THE, UH, ITEM SIX WOULD RESULT IN LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THOSE AS MADAM VICE JUST SAID.

UM, CAN YOU JUST ADD THE, UM, BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE? THE RECOMMENDATION TO, YOU KNOW, COUNTY COUNCIL IS I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND A, A DEFERRAL FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.

TABLE 3.1 DASH 60 TO CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE TABLE 3.2, POINT 40 HT TWO R ALLOWED USES AND DIVISION 4.1 SPECIFIC TO SPECIFIC TO USE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING.

UH, NUMBER THREE, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS A DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY NEED AT THIS TIME.

NUMBER SIX, IT, UH, DOES NOT RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN GOING FORWARD.

I'LL SECOND AND WHO'S PUTTING THE ONE MONTH ON IT? THAT'S YOU OR ROBBIE.

IS THAT THE MINIMUM TIME OR IS THAT THE MAXIMUM TIME? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM TIME THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD DELAY AN APPLICATION THAT SOMEBODY HAS BROUGHT FORWARD APPLICATION APPLICANT COULD HAVE DEFERRED FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

YEAH, BUT THEY SHOULD, BUT NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO WE HAVE A A, A VOTE.

I MEAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENNIS'S MOTION? UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENNIS'S MOTION? WELL, I CAN'T SEE THE GUYS.

I'M HAVING A TIME THERE.

CAN YOU SEE THE, YEAH, I DON'T SEE, UH, CAN YOU SEE? YEAH, I DON'T SEE, UH, DUNNO GLEN STILL, SO I DUNNO HOW WE DO THIS GOING FORWARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COUNT.

MAYBE WE GIVE, UM, A A WE'LL SEE, SEE.

WELL, WE, WE HAVE TWO THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VOTE AGAINST US AT ALL.

UM, JUST SHOULD WE CALL JOHN AGAIN AND SEE HOW HE'S WEARING IT? WELL CALL JOHN AGAIN.

JOHN HASN'T RAISED HIS HAND YET.

HE MIGHT RAISE IT WHEN YOU SAY OH, THE OTHER, OKAY.

WAIT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA, OKAY.

UM, LET'S SEE.

I'M VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK A ONE MONTH IS RIDICULOUS AND I THINK IT'S REALLY A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROBLEM OF ABSOLUTELY CONFLICTING PRIORITIES AND BOTH RAISING THEIR HANDS.

YOU MIGHT WANNA REPEAT THE MOTION 'CAUSE WE JUST CALL THEM.

YEAH, SO THEY WANT, THEY'RE RAISING THEIR HAND FOR , DIDN'T WHAT THEY'RE RAISING THEIR HAND FOR.

ALRIGHT.

YOU WANT ME TO REDO IT? NO, JUST CALL THE JUST CALL.

YOU CALL THE QUESTION? YEAH.

YOU SAID JUST CALL 'EM, CALL THE QUESTION AGAIN.

CALL THE QUESTION.

LOOK AT THE TIME, IT'S TIME TO GO HOME.

UH, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

CALL THE QUESTION.

NO, NO.

THAT JUST MEANS YOU'RE THE CHAIR.

THE CHAIR HAS CALLED CHAIR, SORRY ROB, THAT YOU WERE ASKING HIM TO REPEAT MOTION.

I'VE GOT MOTION MOTION ON HERE AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE NEEDS TO HAVE A MOTION REPEATED IT.

IT'S MOTION FOR DEFERRAL FOR A MONTH.

HOLD.

I'M JOHN AGAIN.

I SEE HIS HANDS RAISED.

HOLD ON.

JOHN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I GOT YOU BOTH GLENN AND I HAD RAISED OUR HAND IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED.

UM, THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED.

LET ME MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.

AND THEN WOULD YOU, UH, CLARIFY.

ALRIGHT, JOHN, I'M GONNA HANG UP.

THAT'S FINE.

UM, ALRIGHT.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE OPPOSED IS SCALE AND CECILY.

IS SCALE LY OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I I JUST WANTED TO COUNT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS OKAY.

I MADE

[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – November 3, 2025 Regular Meeting and Comprehensive Plan Workshop Meetings: Nov 6, Nov 13, Dec 2, Dec 11 (Part 2 of 2)]

A MISTAKE EARLIER.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK PLEASE.

AND, UM, RATIFIED THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, WHICH WAS HELD AT THE BUFORT COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF DISABILITIES AND SPECIAL NEEDS

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ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD.

UM, IT'S JUST THAT I BUNDLED IT BEFORE IN THE WORKSHOP MINUTES.

SO MOVED THREE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

GREAT.

SO THE MINUTES OF MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD ARE, UM, AGREE TO WITHOUT REVISIONS OR CHANGES.