Mar 04, 2026 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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WRITE THIS IS A CALL TO ORDER OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEETING WEDNESDAY MARCH 4TH AT 6 P.M.. CAN YOU PLEASE CHAIRMAN FORD HERE AND CORRELATE THE FRAZIER HERE? COMMISSIONER JIM HAS COMMISSIONER TIM PROBE.

COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER. COMMISSIONER LISA SO HERE THE COMMISSIONER MICHAEL SUTCLIFFE

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT ]

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES ]

[Items VI.1. - VI.4.]

THIS WAS TABLED FROM THE JURY SEVEN 2026 HPC MEETING ALL APPLICATION THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS RELATED TO EACH OF THEM AND AT THAT TIME HPC DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE TOO MANY CONDITIONS AND THEY FELT YOU ALL FELT MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING THOSE CONDITIONS ADDRESSED AND SO APPLICANT DID ASK FOR THE ITEMS TO BE TABLED .

THEY HAVE BEEN RETURNED TO US TO THIS EVENING'S AND MOST OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THEY INCLUDED THINGS PROVIDING DIMENSIONS, PROVIDING MATERIALS FOR THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS, THE WALL CLADDING STYLE. IF YOU RECALL THAT THERE WERE THREE WALL CLADDING STYLES THEY'VE DONE TWO NOW FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT IS ATTACHED TO ALL OF THEM. SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DID THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST APPLICATION AND SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS I TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ARE AND I'LL JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION HERE. LET ME START FROM THE BEGINNING . OKAY. SO AGAIN THERE ARE FOUR APPLICATIONS HERE THE HOUSES THAT ARE PROPOSED ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DETACHED THEY DO AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE THEY ARE ALL BETWEEN TWO, TWO AND A HALF STORIES.

THEY ARE LOCATED WITHIN TABBY ROADS IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ITS OWN PRIVATE COVENANTS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE REVISED PLANS AND HAVE APPROVED THEM YOU SEE HERE ON THE SLIDE THERE ARE THE FOUR LOTS THEY'RE LOCATED ON BLUE CRAB STREET THAT'S WHERE THE VEHICULAR ACCESS WILL BE THE HOUSE IS WILL ACTUALLY FRONT ON TWO BOATERS WALK HERE IS THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT UNDEVELOPED THERE ARE A VARIETY TREES LOCATED ON THESE PROPERTIES INCLUDING A NUMBER OF PINE TREES THE UDALL ADMINISTRATOR WILL NOT REQUIRE TO BE MITIGATED. UM ANOTHER PHOTO HERE OF BADER'S WALK YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT THE TOWNHOMES THAT WERE DEVELOPED SOME TIME AGO AND THE HOUSES WILL FRONT RIGHT THERE ONTO BOULDERS WALK ANOTHER VIEW FROM PEARL STREET AND THE REQUEST AGAIN ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. ALL OF THEM ARE CONSIDERED ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES. THEY DO HAVE AN APPEARANCE OF A SINGLE HALL HOUSE MASS.

SOME SCALE ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS ARE THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS PROPOSED AND THERE ARE SOME MATERIALS THAT WILL REQUIRE DETERMINATION THIS EVENING THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED BY THE YOUDO BUT THAT HAVE APPROVED FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND I'LL PRESENT THOSE IN A MOMENT AND HERE IS A COMPOSITE VIEW OF THE PROPOSED HOUSES TWO AND FOUR OR EXCUSE ME TWO AND SIX BLUE CRAB HAD A SIMILAR AT THAT PLAN AS WELL AS FOUR AND EIGHT THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF MATERIALS AND SOME OTHER DIFFERENCES TO DISTINGUISH THEM HERE IS THE HERE ARE THE FRONT ELEVATIONS ONTO BOULDERS WALK YOU CAN SEE THE HEIGHT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM

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HERE IS TRUE BLUE CRAB ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS SO ON THIS PARTICULAR THEY WOULD NEED A FRONT PORCH RAILING CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND STORY AND THEY WOULD NEED TO SHUTTER DOG THAT COMPLIES WITH THE VIDEO OR MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT WHAT I SHOWED YOU WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND THEN THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME TREE MITIGATION BECAUSE NOT ALL THE TREES ARE PROVIDED THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE YOUDO AND FOR BLUE CRAB AGAIN WE HAVE A RAILING ISSUE AND IT MAY BE HOW THIS IS DRAWN BUT THE RAILING STYLE DIFFERS ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR AND THERE IS KIND OF A WAVE PATTERN AND THEN THERE WERE PICKET SO THAT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN AN ERROR WHEN THE THE ELEVATION OR THE PORCH RAILINGS WERE DRAWN. THIS ONE ALSO HAS SOME TREE MITIGATION THAT BE NECESSARY SIX BLUE CRAB AGAIN ANOTHER RAILING ISSUE THREE MITIGATION REQUIRED EIGHT BLUE CRAB AND THIS PARTICULAR PORCH HEIGHT IS NINE INCHES AND WOULD NEED TO BE 30 TO COMPLY WITH THE YOUDO WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A RAILING THAT MATCH THE SECOND STORY RAILING SCHUTTER DOGS THAT COMPLY WITH VIDEO OR DETERMINATION MADE THAT WHAT'S PROPOSED IS AND AGAIN WE WOULD NEED TREE MITIGATION FOR THIS THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR THE COFA ARE THE FOUR THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU AND THEY THERE IS COMPLIANCE EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO IF THE CONDITIONS ARE MET HOWEVER STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE WILL BE COMPLIANCE FOUR TO BLUE CRAB AGAIN I KIND OF ADDRESS THIS SO ITEMS ONE TWO AND THREE ARE RELATED TO THE RAILING REQUIREMENT THE SHUTTER DOG AND THE TREE MITIGATION DETERMINATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE REGARDING MATERIALS THE TRIM PORCH RAILINGS, CORNER BOARDS ETC.

ARE PROPOSED TO BE BORAL AND POWDER COATED ALUMINUM THE PORCH HANDRAILS AND THE RAILINGS THE COMPOSITE FOR THE OVERLAY AND THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR THE SHUTTERS AND THAT MATERIAL FOR THE SHUTTERS WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE FOUR FOR BLUE CRAB AGAIN IT'S SIMILAR TO TWO FRENCH PORT FRONT PORCH RAILINGS WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND STORY CONSISTENT STYLE AT THE SECOND STORY TREE MITIGATION AGAIN MATERIALS WOULD NEED TO BE DETERMINED TO BE APPROPRIATE OR NOT. SIX BLUE CRAB IS SIMILAR FRENCH PORT THE FRONT PORCH RAILING NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND STORY TREE MITIGATION AND AGAIN TWO AND THREE OR MATERIAL RELATED A BLUE CRAB NEED TO PROVIDE THE FRONT PORCH HEIGHT AND 30 INCHES AS WELL AS A PORCH RAILING CONSISTENT WITH THE STORY A COMPLIANT SHUTTER DOG TREE MITIGATION AND THE DETERMINATIONS REGARDING VARIOUS MATERIALS FOR THE SHUTTERS DOORS, POWDER COATED ALUMINUM RAILINGS AND THE BORAL FOR THE VARIOUS TRIM PIECES.

SO YOUR ACTIONS TONIGHT ARE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY APPLICATION AND THIS IS THE SUGGESTED MOTION THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.

THANK YOU. DO ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION THE THE

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WE HAVE EVERY STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING THE 30 INCHES AND THE RAILING IS AT THAT AT THAT 30 INCHES YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE HANDRAIL.

WE CAN DO BOTH. I THINK WE HAVE APPROVED THAT IN THE PAST.

I THINK WE HAVE AND I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE WITH THE COWORKER MY COWORKER AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT I HAVE THAT INCORRECT. OKAY. ON THAT IT WASN'T A QUESTION I HAD BUT I KNOW A LOT OF 30 INCH HAVE NOT HAD RAILINGS BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T HAVE SECOND FLOOR OF RAILINGS SO I SEE A SECOND FLOOR WITH RAILINGS AND A BOTTOM FLOOR WITHOUT SO IT MIGHT BE MORE COSMETIC. THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS COSMETIC YEAH.

OR WAS THAT CODE . IT WAS JUST CODE . OKAY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION JUST QUICKLY, IS THERE A WAY TO SHOW WHERE ALL OF THESE TREES ARE COMING? THESE ARE SO BUILT ON EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE LOT I DON'T SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MITIGATE AND PLANT NEW TREES. SO I GUESS WHERE WE HAVE PURVIEW IN THAT AND IF THEY DON'T PLANT THE TREES DOES THE TOWN COME UP WITH A FEE IN LIEU OF WE DO THAT IS IN THE CODE THAT IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THE TREES ON SITE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN REQUIRE THEM TO PAY INTO THE TREE FUND AND I'M SORRY IT'S NOT IT'S VERY SMALL BUT EVERYWHERE THAT YOU SEE THE RED OR TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THE OAKS SO HERE SO EXAMPLE IN TRUE BLUE CRAB THERE IS A TREE HERE ANOTHER TREE SHOWN HERE THAT THEY WOULD REMOVE NO THAT WILL BE PLANTED EVERYTHING IN RED IS ARE THE THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND THEN THE TREES SHOULD BE REPLANTED IS A LIVE OAK THAT YOU SEE HERE WOULD BE IN THE CIRCLE OKAY ANOTHER OTHER LIVE OAK HERE OKAY HOW MANY WHAT TREES WILL BE SAVED LIKE OUTSIDE OF THE OAK THE OAK TREES ARE THERE ANY OTHER TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE CAPPED OR IS IT EVERYTHING GETTING LEVELED? YEAH AND MOST OF THE TREES WILL BE REMOVED. WHEN YOU SAY MOST YOU MEAN EVERYTHING EXCEPT THOSE OAKS. WELL AGAIN WE'RE TALKING FOUR TO BLUE CRABS AND A WHOLE LOT ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE. YES ON I BELIEVE SIX BLUE LET'S SEE THERE IS ONE HERE THAT'S GOING TO BE SAVED. YOU JUST LOOK AT THESE RENDERINGS AND THERE'S JUST NO TREES. THEY ARE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE ON ALL LOTS BUT EACH OF THESE LOTS IS LESS THAN 6000 SQUARE FEET.

THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE SETBACKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY TABBY RHODES.

THEY DID REDUCE SETBACKS AT ONE TIME THIS WAS GOING TO BE A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.

ALL OF THE TREES WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED ANYWAY SO THEY PREFERRED NOT TO GO THE ROUTE THE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE FOUR SEPARATE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEY'RE ALL SMALLER. BESIDES THERE'S SOME THEY ARE AND THEY MAY ABLE I MEAN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY CAN PLANT LARGER TREES.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT THE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED FOR THE MOST PART ANYTHING THAT IS LIKE A MORE DESIRABLE SPECIES IS, A SMALLER COLOR YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEREAS YOU KNOW THERE'S LIKE A 20 INCH PINE BUT IT'S A PINE TREE AND LEAVING THAT WOULD BE OF LIKE A WEIRD TELEPHONE POLE EFFECT AND JUST TO KEEP ON WITH I GET THAT AND I KNOW THESE ARE AND I WANT THIS WELL KNOWN TO EVERYONE THAT COMES TO THE FOREST THIS IS CASE BY CASE IT DOESN'T MEAN ON A SINGLE FAMILY LIKE THEY CAN CLEAR ALL THE TREES BECAUSE I'M A TREE I JUST THINK BUILD A SMALLER HOUSE QUITE FRANKLY. BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE POPPY AND I GOT SHUT DOWN LAST MONTH THIS IS WHAT THE POWER WANTS. I JUST THINK THE CIRCLES ARE

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SO THEY'RE THE CIRCLES THAT YOU SHOW ARE THE TREE MITIGATION. OKAY, DEBBIE, I JUST WANT MAKE SURE DEBBIE KNEW THAT. YEAH. OKAY THANKS, CHERYL.

BUT THAT'S ALL ONE QUESTION. I HAD OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WERE THEY ASKED OR THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT IF YOU COULD I MEAN YOU CAN SPEAK BROADLY TO THE FOUR PROJECTS BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY WANT TO TAKE THIS HOUSE BY A HOUSE AS WE GO FORWARD ON HOW SPECIFIC ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS WILLIAM COURT WITH COURT ACTION GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER WE ARE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTING THESE FOUR PROJECTS I DO YOU I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THEM SPECIFICALLY THE ONE I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS I'D LIKE MAKE . YES, THAT WAS GREAT.

I MEAN THEY'RE RELATIVELY GENERIC TO ALL FOUR PROPERTIES WITH RESPECT TO THE I BELIEVE WHEN WE TALKED LAST I GUESS IT WAS TWO MONTHS AGO WE WERE SHOWING HEIGHT EXPOSURE THE PORCH THAT WAS NORTH OF 30 INCHES AND I HAD ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERN ABOUT LIKE IF THERE WAS ANY DESIRE FOR THE LOWER STOREY. WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY TRIED TO SET THESE RIGHT 30 WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT PER THE I.R.S. WE WOULD NOT NEED A RAILING IT'S THE MAGIC CUTOFF SO THE WAY I SEE OUR 312 READS IT'S A GUARDRAIL GOING TO BE REQUIRED AT THAT PORCH ANYTHING NORTH OF 30 INCHES MEANING BEYOND 30 THE WAY THE YUDO IS WRITTEN THE PORCH NEEDS TO BE 30 OR MORE SO BUT THAT SUBTLE CHANGE ALLOWS US TO BE RIGHT AT 30 AND NOT NEED THE RAILS IF FOR SOME REASON THE TOWN OR YOU AS HPC PREFER THE RAILS WHERE I THINK THE OWNER WOULD BE FINE ADDING THEM BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ESTHETICALLY NEEDED IN OUR OPINION THAT WOULD JUST BE MORE OF A CONVERSATION IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A NEED LAST TIME.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT OTHERWISE. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE ONE EDIT TO MAKE WHICH WOULD BE THE EIGHT BLUE CRAB. I THINK WE ACCIDENTALLY LET THAT ONE BE 29 NOT 30 SO WE COULD ADJUST THAT AND HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH STAFF AS FAR AS THE DETERMINATIONS OF MATERIALS THOSE ARE THE BORAL, THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL AND THE POWDER ALUMINUM. I THINK THOSE ARE APPROPRIATE MATERIALS AND GOOD FOR LONGEVITY AND GOOD FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE. I KNOW WE'VE USED THOSE IN THE PAST AND HAD SIMILAR APPROVALS AT HPC BUT. I'M HAPPY TO ADJUST THOSE IF YOU GUYS FEEL IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO USE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL THE TABBY ROADS HAARP HAS APPROVED THE USE OF THOSE ASSUMING YOU APPROVE THE USE OF THEM ESPECIALLY WITH NOTE TO THE COMPOSITE SHUTTERS WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF THE CIRCULAR THING OF IS IT ALLOWABLE OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH YOU GUYS RULE SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU GUYS AND YOUR AS FAR AS ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP FOR THESE PROJECTS ON THE THE ALUMINUM HANDRAILS AS I WAS SURPRISED THAT THAT WAS NOT I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED LAST ABOUT MORE OF A LIKE A WELDED ALUMINUM PRODUCT RATHER THAN THAT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF FITTINGS TO GET EVERYTHING TO COME TOGETHER IN THE COUNTRIES YOU GUYS HAD SUBMITTED IT I MEAN I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE WORLD THE TWO WOMEN AND PRODUCTS TO BE HONEST . I MEAN I JUST I THINK THE YOU KNOW, WROUGHT IRON IS PROBLEMATIC MATERIAL IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

BUT IF IF YOU WANTED SUGGEST THAT ONLY WELDED ALUMINUM IS ACCEPTABLE THEN OKAY LET'S GO ROUTE. I THINK I JUST KIND OF FELT LIKE THAT'S THE WAY WE WERE GOING RATHER THAN A SLIP UP. YEAH, I DO THINK ALL OF THE OTHER I GUESS LET'S CALL IT ARCHITECTURE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME THE MATERIAL CHANGES THE KIND OF USE OF MATERIALS CLARIFYING THE HEIGHTS OF THE WALLS, ADJUSTING SOME OF THE BEAM DETAILS WITH THE BRACKETS I TRIED THAT WE TRIED TO PICK ALL OF THOSE UP AND COORDINATE THAT WITH STAFF. THANK YOU. AND WE VERY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS KIND OF ON ALL FOUR BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE CRAB I JUST IT QUIET ON THE SHUTTERS WHAT IS THE MANUFACTURER THERE YOU GUYS ARE ATLANTA IS THE PROPOSED AND DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE VERTICAL LONG SHUTTER I KNOW I DID NOT COME UP ON STAFF COMMENTS LAST TIME IT SLIPPED BY US IT WAS I THINK IT WAS A NEW COMMENT AND S SHUTTER FINE IF YOU WOULD PREFER LIKE I'M HAPPY TO COORDINATE WITH TOWN STAFF.

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AND THEN TO ON THE BEAM ITSELF CAN IT JUST BE IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TRELLIS DETAIL IT'S ACTUAL YOU KNOW. SO YEAH IT'S ALWAYS ONE SET OF SOMETHING WRAPPED IS AGAIN HOW DO YOU DRESS THAT END OF THAT YOU KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S YOU'D HAVE TO WRAP THE WHOLE THE SIDE THE SHORTER I MEAN COULD IT JUST BE A BEAM LIKE IT CAN YEAH I THINK THAT'S JUST A CLEANER WAY OF DOING THAN TRYING TO WRAP IT. YEAH I MEAN OTHER THAN I, I THINK IT'S YOU YOU GUYS KIND OF DRESS EVERYTHING I THINK LOOKS PRETTY GOOD SO JUST THOSE TWO SMALL DETAILS AND I THINK THAT'S ON THAT THAT ONE AND MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO THE OTHER ONES IT'S ON TWO OF THEM I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHILE WE'RE HERE I THINK THAT THE STAFF COMMENT ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH RAILING CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND STORY PORTRAYED LIKE THE HANDRAIL IN THE STAIR DETAIL WHICH IS PROBABLY THE NEXT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEMPORARY THAN IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF A VERY FLAT BAR ALUMINUM HANDRAIL.

IT'S PROBABLY YOUR TYPICAL DETAIL YEAH. SO THE TOP THE TOP RAIL DID THE COLOR EDGE BUT YEAH THREE QUARTERS THAT MATCHES THE SECOND FLOOR.

YEAH I GUESS AND I WANT YOU GUYS TWO GUYS ON THIS IS WHAT ARE YOU YOU WANT I MEAN WE'LL HAVE A GRAB RAIL STAIR OF COURSE BUT DO WE. I'LL NEED SOME DIRECTION I DON'T BELIEVE CODE WILL REQUIRE A LOWER LEVEL RAIL IT'S REALLY TO BE WHETHER OR NOT HBC WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MEANING YOU WON'T NEED THE PICKETS AND THE WELL WE WOULD NEED A CONTINUOUS RAIL JUST JUST A HORSE YEAH RIGHT WE WOULD ALL ENDED THE GROUND RAIL AND OR GRAB AND PICKETS AT THE STAIR RIGHT BUT THE PICKETS ARE NOT CODE THE RAILING ON THE PORCH IN ITS ENTIRETY IS NOT RIGHT. SO UNDER UNDERSTANDING THAT I JUST FELT THIS IT WOULD BE NICE OF THAT DETAIL. UPDATE SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THAT JUST SO IT'S CLEANED UP I THINK THAT WAS CONSISTENT THAT COMMENT NUMBER ONE OKAY. YEAH REQUIRED OR I DON'T THINK

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THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PICKET DETAIL ON THAT THAT FIRST FLOOR ALL THE WAY ACROSS FINE JUST GET RID OF THE PICKETS JUST AT THE TOP PANEL BUT MORE TRADITIONAL CAP WHY DOES IT RANK FURTHER DISCUSSION ON TO BLUE CRAB SO DO I HEAR A MOTION ? OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING IT ALL AT ONCE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE CLEARER IF WE CAN DO IT ONE BY ONE.

OKAY. BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE SPOTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME ALREADY THAT ARE KIND OF SPECIFIC THE NUMBER TWO THAT ARE AGAINST IT WHILE YOU'RE PULLING IT UP THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH AND GETTING RID OF THE CONDITIONS THIS MEETING I APPRECIATE WE'RE GETTING TO THAT TO HERE WHICH IS VERY FEW CONDITIONS AND WORK IT OUT IT WHATEVER LEVEL SO I APPRECIATE IT PROBABLY WAS FRUSTRATING BUT DID YOU ADD IN ANY CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT IN THE PACKET BECAUSE I KIND OF HAVE SOME NOTES HERE I COULD PROBABLY GET A SO HERE'S WHAT I HAD IN THE STAFF REPORT OKAY I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TWO BLUE CRAB WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED BY STAFF UNDER CONDITION ONE THE STAIR HANDRAIL DETAIL WILL BE UPDATED SO THE TOP RAIL MATCHES THE SECOND STORY PORCH CONDITION TO THE SHUTTERED DOGS WILL BE EITHER S-TYPE OR RAT TAIL TO COMPLY WITH THE EDO SECTION INCLUDING STAFF CONDITION THREE ALSO THAT THE LOUVER PANEL DETAIL 1/A5.1 IS MODIFIED TO SHOW ACTUAL FALSE WOOD LOUVERS IN THE OPENING INSTEAD OF JUST LAP SIDING AND THAT IN DETAILS TWO A 5.1 AND FIVE A 5.1 THE FLAT CEILING REMOVED AND THE CEILING JUST FOLLOW THE ROOF OF THE BRACKETED ROOF WOULD ALSO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT BORAL IS AN APPROVED MATERIAL.

THE APPLICATIONS LISTED THAT POWER CORD ALUMINUM IS APPROVED FOR THE PORCH HANDRAILS AND PORCH BALUSTRADES IF IT'S WELDED ALUMINUM BUT NOT THE PRODUCT THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE CUT SHEET FIND THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL IS AN OVERLAY FOR THE GARAGE DOORS IS APPROPRIATE AND APPROVE THE SHUTTERS ATLANTIC ROOM SHUTTERS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE CUT SHEET I'LL SECOND THAT OKAY ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I I CHAIRMAN I'M UNCLEAR FROM THE MOTION THAT APPROVED YOUR SUGGESTION CHANGE ON NUMBER ONE IS ASKING FOR THE RAILING OR NOT OR JUST THE RAIL OUT ON THE HANDRAIL AT THE STAIR I THINK THAT THE CAP IS GOING TO BE TO BE TALLER THAT TWO AND THREE QUARTERS IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE PICKET AT THAT POINT AND MATCH THE RAILING ABOVE COMPLETELY. BUT BUT YOU WANT IT ON THE ENTIRE PORCH. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED A RAILING ACROSS OH I NEED TO COME UP AND SEE WHERE THAT MOTION BUT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT.

SO HOW DO YOU MAKE A NEW MOTION WELL LET ME LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO IT LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET TO IT. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS YOU WERE NOT REQUIRING THE TWO TWO PICKETS ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH. CORRECT? I THE WAY I INTERPRETED YOUR MENTIONING IT EVERYBODY ELSE INTERPRETED SAME WAY THAT THE PICKETS WEREN'T GOING TO BE REQUIRED ACROSS THE FRONT. YES, YES. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THE CONDITIONS AND I THINK AS HE APPROVED THAT THE CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITION WE DIDN'T HAVE DISCUSSION SO WE COULDN'T AMEND.

SO NOW WE HAVE YOU KNOW, A PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION CAN BE WITHDRAWN WITHDRAW IT.

YEAH I MEAN YOU CAN DO MOTION TO A MOTION I THINK WAS THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY HAS BUT YOU CAN BASICALLY MAKE THAT MOTION TO AMEND IT BUT I WOULD JUST YET I'D HAVE SOMEBODY JUST MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OR THAT USUALLY HAS TO TAKE PLACE AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I THINK IT SHOULD BE FINE IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM ANYBODY ON THE ON THE COMMITTEE HERE. OKAY. I WON'T SAY THIS IS A PRACTICE.

WE SHOULD GET IT. I DON'T WHY I DON'T LIKE THIS YOU IT WAS UNANIMOUS THE VOTE

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YES MA'AM. I'LL MAKE AL AMEND THE MOTION TO KEEP THE DETAIL, HE SAYS, BUT NOT REQUIRING THE RAILING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND FLOOR.

SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK THE MOTION IS TO I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS REQUIRE THE FRONT PORCH RAILING TO PULL YOU DO IT THEN SO THIS IS A WE HAVE A WE DO HAVE A MOTION HERE THAT HASN'T GOTTEN A SECOND GLANCE BEFORE WE DO THAT LET'S JUST CLARIFY IT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS A MOTION TO CLARIFY CONDITION ONE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS NOT GOING BE A FRONT PORCH RAILING REQUIRED THE THE FRONT OF THE FIRST FLOOR WELL THAT'S WHAT I SAID DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION THAT THE WE WILL NOT BE REQUIRING A FRONT PORCH RAILING ACROSS THE FRONT PORCH ON THE FIRST FLOOR BUT SECOND ALL IN FAVOR I I THE MOTION HAS BEEN AMENDED TO NOT REQUIRE A RAILING ON A FIRST FLOOR FRONT PORCH AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE FOR BECAUSE AGAIN THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT WE'RE CLARIFYING BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT THAT CONDITION WILL BE REPEATED IN A NUMBER OF THESE. SO JUST WE'LL JUST CLARIFY LIKE WELL THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO HANDLE THAT I'M SURE NONE OF THEM WERE READILY TO MY BRAIN AT THE TIME SO SORRY BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP MINUTE WITH DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP YES HE COULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP THEN. OKAY SO WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE HEARTBEAT NEXT TIME. I'M MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR BLUE CRAB STREET SEE FOR NUMBER FOUR BLUE CRAB STREET NEXT ON OUR AGENDA DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON FOR BLUE CRAB BUT THAT SAME COMMENT FOR THE BRACKETS LITTLE SAVING ON THAT THE GORILLA GLASS CEILING HERE'S COULD WE PULL UP THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THAT ONE TO TALK THROUGH THE RAILINGS IN THE FRONT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE WITH THE DIAGONAL RAILING DETAIL THEN THE PICKETS IN BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG THIS IS WHERE IF WE HAD THE DRAWING DRAWINGS OUT THAT LEVEL THAT WILL TAKE ME INWARDS. WHAT WAS WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT FOR THAT BECAUSE IN THE REAR THERE'S SHORT SECTIONS BETWEEN COLUMNS WHERE THERE'S A SHORT SECTION OF DIAGONAL THERE'S SOME THOUGHT TO THE PICKETS I THEN SEE THE DRAWING AS WELL. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE DID IT TOWARDS THE REAR. YEAH BUT THEN IS THERE SO WELL WHEN WE GET THERE I THINK THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY THERE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO EITHER DIRECTION ON THE REAR THAT DIAGONAL LET'S SET OF THREES SERVICE CONTROL I ON THE SIDE YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ALMOST TREATED LIKE DECORATIVE PANELS CENTERED AND OFFSET BY A TRADITIONAL RAIL ON THE FRONT.

HOWEVER WE ONLY DO THAT WITH THERE GUYS I APOLOGIZE WE DO THAT IN BETWEEN SO THAT WOULD

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SO I THINK IT WORKS WELL HERE. I THINK UP HERE IT KIND OF YOU KNOW I'M NOT I MEAN WE JUST HAVE TO SORT OF STUDY THAT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU GUYS HAVE A STRONG SO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE IT ON DIAGONAL HOW DO THEY ENGAGE IT? DOES IT GO BEHIND THOSE COLUMNS YOU BASICALLY WOULD HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO RUN THAT NARROW STRIP AGAINST THE COLUMN TO TIE IN LIKE WOULD DO WITH A HORIZONTAL RAIL. YEAH I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THE SO WHERE THAT SINGLE COLUMN IS THE NEXT TO THE DOUBLE DOOR TO THE RIGHT THE ARE THEY JUST IS THAT REALLY SYSTEM RIGHT IT ALMOST LOOKS IT'S RUNNING BEHIND THOSE COLUMNS AND I KNOW KIND OF TIES INTO THAT COLUMN RIGHT SO THAT WOULD IT DOES HAVE A SO HOW IS THAT CONNECTED TO THE COLUMN? I THINK IN IN THESE YEAH WE JUST WHAT THAT IS IMPLYING ON THE FAR RIGHT HERE RIGHT WOULD BE JUST LIKE IF IT WAS A HORIZONTAL RAIL YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A TERMINATION POINT SO YOU'D HAVE A CONTINUOUS METAL STRIP THERE THAT THOSE ARE TIMES THAT WE'D HAVE OPPOSED A METAL POST IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TO BE A METAL POST BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY APPLIED. YEAH YOU CAN CREATE THOSE PANELS AND WE CAN ATTACH THEM TO THE COLUMN. IT'LL BE A LITTLE CLEANER DECORATIVE WE DID MORE LIKE WHAT WE'RE YEAH I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S EASIER TO DO. IT'S QUICKER I THINK WHEN I WAS DRAWING I WAS HAVING A DIAGONAL DIE RIGHT INTO THAT. YEAH I'M I'M OKAY ADJUSTING THAT IF IF SOMEONE WANTED TO IT SORT OF I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WORD THAT BUT MANDATE THAT DIAGONALS DON'T EVER TOUCH THE COLUMNS AND HAVE SOME WE TREAT THAT LIKE A DECORATIVE DETAIL I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT APPROACH THERE AND THESE TWO OUTER PANELS YOU JUST KIND OF NEED TO BE CONSISTENT YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH I THINK IN BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE SETS OF COLUMNS YOU'D BASICALLY HAVE WHAT'S GOING ON UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW SEE ON THE LEFT IN THAT CASE RIGHT. YEAH I MEAN I HAVE TO READ SPACE I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WIDER THAN THE ONES TO THE RIGHT RIGHT.

I THINK WE COULD DO TWO PANELS OR WE COULD DO ONE PANEL OR YOU CAN GET A TWO PANEL SET AND THE ONE THAT'S ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT. I MEAN DO YOU THINK THOSE COLUMNS ARE ALL YOU THINK THE COLUMNS ARE EQUAL THERE? BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THAT REAL QUICK ON SPACING YEAH, YOU'RE A EIGHT AND THEN YOU LOSE TWO OF YOUR EIGHT THERE.

YEAH YEAH. SO I MEAN MAYBE THE WAY TO WORD THAT WOULD BE TO MATCH THE THE BAY THAT IS DIRECTLY OVER THE FRONT DOOR AND BAYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERTICAL COULD I THINK I AGREE THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST I LIKE THE ALL THE DIFFERENT DETAIL THAT WE'RE BRINGING THIS HOUSE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES ANYBODY ELSE HAVING A DISCUSSION ON THIS HOUSE I DID THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD I NOTICE THE GARAGE IS A 12 ROOF AND THE HOUSE IS IN 812 THERE ANY REASON I'M ASSUMING YOU NEED KIND OF OF THE THE GARAGE CEILING TO WHERE YOU NEED IT TO OR HAVE A LITTLE SPACE THERE? I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD BOTHER ME IF THE HOUSE WAS A LITTLE BIT TALLER BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THE SHORTEST HOUSE THERE AND IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT KIND OF LIKE THE MAIN WALL OF THE EXTERIOR THERE A REASON COULD MAKE THE HOUSE NINE TO A MATH WORKING OUT ON THE 912 AND THEN JUST A DESIRE TO KEEP THE HOUSE SCALED DOWN. I MEAN WE COULD EASILY RAISE THE MAIN HOUSE TO 912 THEY JUST

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OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE IT? NO. SO THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

I DON'T I DON'T BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THIS ONE OR A MOTION ON THE BRACKETS DO IT.

I STILL LOOKING AT THAT BRACKET WITH THIS THIS IS HAVE A WOULD A WOULD BE IN THERE INSTEAD OF A WRAPPED THAT WAS DIFFERENT THIS PARTICULAR BRACKET I THINK IT WAS I THINK IT'S NEXT ONE UP THAT HAD THE FLAT THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THE EXTRA TRIM PIECE SO I DON'T KNOW THAT AGAIN THIS ONE I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT IS BIT EASIER TO KEEP THAT PAINTED AND TIDY THEN IF WE USE AS AND END TREATED ON THAT THEN IT WOULD BE MINOR OR MINOR.

IT'S NOT THE EASIEST DETAIL TO COMPLETE THAT BUT IF YOU WANT A SOLID BEAM THAT'S OKAY.

DOES THAT BEAM OR THAT BRACKET COMES UP TO THE TELEVISION ON IT OR DOES THAT EXTEND TESTING ? MY KNOWLEDGE HERE OF SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE PROUD BY PROBABLY BY THE WIDTH OF THAT TRIM. I MEAN I'D RATHER SEE IT ALL SAW THOSE COLUMNS OR THE THE BRACKETS ARE SOLID I THINK IT'S EASIER A DETAIL AND IT'LL BE A BETTER PRODUCT OF THAT WHOLE THINGS ON THAT BEAM SO SOLID IT IT'S DO I HEAR MOTION I'M NOT I'M NOT GENERATING ANY OF THAT TO SLIDE GO TO THE YEAH YEAH SO BEFORE WE GET TO COMMENTS I THINK WHAT I HEARD EARLIER WAS THAT ALL SECTION OF RAILING WOULD BE MATCHING THE SECTION THAT'S DIRECTLY ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION.

YEAH I HAVE NOTICED THEM IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ALL YOU YOU CAN TELL ME I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW FINISHED WRITING THAT FIRST ONE I WILL MOTION TO APPROVE FOR BLUE CRAB WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE RAILINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH WILL BE CHANGED TO MATCH THE STYLING OF THE BAY OVER THE FRONT DOOR SO THE DIAGRAM SO LIMITING THE DIAGONAL ELEMENTS TO TWO BAYS AND THEN TRANSITIONING TO PICKETS TO THE SIDES TO COMPLETE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND VERTICAL PICKETS FOR THE SPACE BETWEEN COLUMNS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER ALSO ADOPTING STAFF CONDITION NUMBER THREE AND REQUIRING THAT THE BEAM ON THE BRACKET DETAIL FOR THE BRACKET A ROOF OVER THE GARAGE DOOR BE SOLID TIMBER RATHER THAN WRAPPED FRAMING ALSO MAKING THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS THAT BORAL IS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL FOR THE PLACES LEFT A LISTED THAT PARAGRAPH ALUMINUM IS AN APPROPRIATE FOR THE HANDRAILS IF IT'S WELL WELDED CONSTRUCTION BUT THE CUT SHEET SUBMITTED IT WAS NOT APPROVED AND THAT COMPOSITE MATERIAL AS AN OVERLAY FOR THE GARAGE DOORS IS APPROPRIATE. THE SECOND SECOND THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION SO ALL IN FAVOR THE INSTRUCTIONS SO WE'RE CLEAR THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR FRONT PORCH CONTINUOUS RAILINGS CORRECT CORRECT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT THIS TIME SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION I, RIGHT? THE MOTION HAS BEEN ADOPTED. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM COFA FOR BLUE CRAB STREET . DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON

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I THINK IT'S SAME IS SIMILAR TO I THINK AGAIN SO YOU WANT TO SEE THE WALLS JUST WE CAN SEE THE OKAY BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME AS TO I REMEMBER I HEAR IT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS IT DOES HAVE THE PICKETS ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROOM.

YEAH, YEAH YEAH BUT THAT RAILING IS CONSISTENT AND SO RIGHT WE'LL DO THAT AND BECAUSE THAT HAS VERTICAL PICKETS THE HANDRAIL A VERTICAL PICKET THAT AT THE FIRST FLOOR MAKES SENSE . I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE YOU DOWN.

YEAH THE STRAIGHT ELEVATION THAT THAT'S FLAT BUT OR YEAH GOT THAT SAME ISSUE OF ELEVATION SO IT FOLLOWS OR AFTER DOES THE SAME GO TO IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION CONFLICTING ISSUES ON THAT. YEAH SO THE STAFF CONDITIONS WERE STAFFING IS THE NUMBER ONE WAS THE SAME THE ASKING FOR A RAILING ON THE FIRST FLOOR OR THE FRONT PORCH WHICH WE'VE KIND OF DECIDED WE DON'T NEED THE OTHER ONE WAS TO PROVIDE 11 TREES FOR MITIGATION OR PAY THE FEE IN LIEU AND THEN THE SAME THREE DETERMINATIONS BUT OKAY I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF CONDITION NUMBER TWO UM AND ALSO THE CONDITION THAT THE BRACKETED ROOF OVERHANGS IN DETAILS ONE AND THREE ON A 5.3 BE REVISED SO THAT THE CEILING FOLLOWS THE OF THE ROOF AND THAT THERE IS NOT A FLAT CEILING THERE ALSO MAKING THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS AT BORAL'S AND ACCEPTABLE THAT WELDED POWER CUT ALUMINUM IS AN ACCEPTED MATERIAL BUT NOT THE PRODUCT CUT SHEET SUBMITTED AND A COMPOSITE OVERLAY IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOORS. OKAY.

AND THEN FINALLY MOVING ON TO OH SORRY DO I HAVE A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I THE MOTION HAS BEEN ADOPTED MOVING ON TO UH KOFAR EIGHT BLUE CRAB STREET WHERE ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? WELL, I DO. WE WOULD JUST TREES RIGHT AND LEFT AND I REALLY FORGOT TO LOOK AT THE OTHERS BUT THIS BEING ON THE CORNER TWO OF YOUR PROPOSED MITIGATIONS AREN'T EVEN IN YOUR BUILDING ON BELOW SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE MITIGATING THE FRONT RIGHT AND THE BACK LEFT AT THE POLE WHEN THERE'S NO BUILDING GOING THERE.

SO I'M JUST MAYBE UP FOR DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATION ON WHY THOSE TWO WOULD BE MITIGATED. I ALSO HAD NOTED ON THIS ONE I FELT LIKE THERE WAS ROOM TO ADD A TREE TO THE CORNER OF PEARL STREET. SO LOOKING HERE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ONE TREE TO THE FAR RIGHT IS AN EXISTING STREET TREE SO THAT'S NOT ON THE PROPERTY BUT THAT TYPICALLY DOES COUNT TOWARDS THE 75% COVERAGE THIS THAT IT'S THIS IS THIS PROPOSED MITIGATION TREE THAT IS THE ONE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER WHERE YOU WOULD PLACE IT YEAH THAT THAT IS THAT IS A REMOVE THAT IS A NEW TREE SO THEY REMOVING IN THAT CASE FROM SO WHERE SHE SAYS PROPOSED MITIGATION TREE LIVE OAK IS THAT NOT TREE THEY'RE REMOVING LET ME AND THAT IS THAT IS THE TREE THAT IS COMING IN COMING IN BUT YOU DO HAVE I MEAN I JUST THINK YOU HAVE MORE ROOM ON THAT BACK SIDE THAT MAY BE MITIGATE OR JUST ADD ANOTHER TREE JUST ADD TREE. IT MUST BE LIKE A 40 YEAR LEASE OR YOU KNOW 75% COVER 96 THAT WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF MITIGATION TO DO. YES, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT

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SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS WITH MY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT BUT I AGREE THERE IS SPACE ON A UPPER RIGHT CORNER FOR A TREE IT JUST WENT BACK I'VE SORT OF HAD IN THE PAST WHERE IT WAS MORE FLEXIBLE ABOUT WHEN WHEN TREES HAD TO BE MITIGATED. IF I HIT THE 75% SOMETIMES I WAS OKAY SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT A FEW MORE NOW SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH THAT BUT THAT WAS MY REASONING WAS WE HAD ACHIEVED THE 75 ACROSS THE ALL INDIVIDUALLY AND ACROSS THE WHOLE STREET SO I THOUGHT WELL BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON WITH THE RAIN GARDEN LOCATIONS AND THE PERMEABLE PAVEMENT LEADING TO AVOID ROUTES YOU KNOW EVENTUALLY BUT BUT I'M HAPPY MEAN OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL BUT THE ONE NEXT DOOR WITH THE 11 THAT SEEMED DICEY BUT THERE FOR THE STAFF IS GOING TO STILL MITIGATE WITH YOU THAT YOU HAVEN'T PLACED ON THE SITE PLAN PERHAPS STAFF WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PLANT LESS YOU WANT TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF BUT I HAVE A FEELING IT'S PRICEY. DO WE KNOW WHAT ARE THE FEATURES AT ITS I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND THAT MIGHT HELP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IT'S NOT 100. WELL THE TREE ITSELF WOULD BE THAT TO SO I'D BE NICE TO KNOW THAT NUMBER TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THAT FOR THE OVERAGE YOU KNOW FOR THE OTHER ONES BUT BUT WE CAN ADD SOME YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A WRONG NUMBER.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OUT TYPICALLY WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF FINAL YEAH I KNOW IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN THE CONDITION THAT WE'VE BEEN ADOPTING HERE I MEAN I THINK YOU KNOW WE'RE SORT OF STUCK ON THIS ONE THAT YOU GUYS GET A LITTLE CONSIDERATE MORE CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT THAT CORNER IS OPEN IT JUST BE NICE TO GET SOME OF THAT TREE CANOPY BACK SO MUCH OF IT IS GOING AND THAT'S KIND OF A NICE OPEN CORNER AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DIRECTION TO GET A LITTLE MORE TREE TREE COVERAGE IN THERE.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH DISCUSSION OR QUESTION? OKAY OKAY.

WELL I WILL A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE MINIMUM FOR FRONT PORCH HEIGHT OF 30 INCHES BE MET THAT SHUTTER DOG THAT COMPLIES WITH THE YOUDO BE PROVIDED AND STAFF CONDITION NUMBER THREE TO PROVIDE FOR TREES ON SITE TO MITIGATE THE TOTAL LOSS OF THE TREES TO BE REMOVED IF THE UDALL ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINES THAT MITIGATE TREES CANNOT BE PROVIDED FOR THE SITE IN A FEE IN LIEU OF PLANTING BE REQUIRED PER THE YOUDO ALSO MAKE THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS THAT BOREAL IS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL THAT WELL THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM IS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL BUT NOT THE CUT SHEET PROVIDED FOR THE ALUMINUM HANDRAILS THAT THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL AS AN OVERLAY FOR THE GARAGE DOORS IS APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL SHUTTERS THAT THE CUT SHE WAS SUBMITTED ARE APPROPRIATE SO ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SAY I,

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[VII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness (1 Garfields Way): A request by Ansley Manuel of Manuel Studios (Applicant) on behalf of Samuel Kopotic (Owner), for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the construction of a new 2-story main house (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 2,478 SF and a 2-story attached Carriage House (garage) of approximately 1,188 SF to be constructed at 1 Garfields Way in the Moss Oaks Subdivision within Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD). (COFA-09-25-019941) (Staff - Charlotte Moore) ]

THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO THREE MAIN HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 2500 SQUARE FEET AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY HUNDRED SQUARE FEET LOCATED AT ONE GARFIELD'S WAY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE MOSS OAKS SUBDIVISION. IT LOCATED OFF OF LAWRENCE AND WARREN STREET AND YOU SEE THE PROPERTY IT IS A SOMEWHAT SHALLOW PROPERTY.

PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED A VARIANCE AND WAS DENIED THAT VARIANCE.

HERE YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE FROM LAWRENCE STREET THE ROAD IS ACTUALLY A DIRT ROAD OR DIRT PATH INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS HOUSE HERE ON LEFT IS ACTUALLY THIS HOUSE.

THIS IS THE LOT THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE ROAD THAT I MENTIONED.

AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A DIRT PATH AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WE APPROVED RECENTLY ANOTHER HOUSE LOCATED NEXT DOOR AT FIVE GARFIELD'S WAY. HERE IS THE SITE IN LANDSCAPE PLAN SO THE HOUSE WOULD FACE THE THAT DIRT ROAD RIGHT HERE AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE SETBACKS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL DISTRICT THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE.

IT DOES HAVE CHARACTERISTICS OF A VERNACULAR HOUSE. VERNACULAR HOUSES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FULL FACADE FRONT PORCH WHICH THIS ONE DOESN'T. IT'S ALSO TOO WIDE TO BE A HOUSE TYPE MEETING. HOUSE TYPES ARE TYPICALLY NARROWER AT THE AT THE AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND THEY HAVE MORE DEPTH WHEREAS THIS HOUSE IS A BIT MORE SHALLOW BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY THAT THE SITE IS VERY SHALLOW THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS THE LEFT WILL BE ATTACH A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE NONCOMPLIANT OR A DETERMINATION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE OR REGARDING SHUTTERS WHICH ARE A COMPOSITE MATERIAL A POLYMER COMPOSITE THE MANUFACTURER'S CUT SHEET WAS PROVIDED AND THEN RAILINGS AT THE FRONT PORCH ARE A POWDER COATED ALUMINUM SO THOSE TWO ITEMS WOULD NEED A DETERMINATION ON THE LEFT THAT YOU SEE HERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE MATERIALS WOULD MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THE RIGHT ELEVATION IN THE REAR ELEVATION HERE ARE THE FLOORPLANS WE NEED TO EXPLORE AND THE REVIEW CRITERIA STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE REVIEW CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET WILL BE MET IF NUMBER TWO IS DETERMINED TO BE COMPLIANT BY THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION WE HAVE SOME MITIGATION TREES THAT WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED AND IF I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO BE PROVIDED ON THE SITE IF NOT THE IDEA ADMINISTRÉ OR WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY AREN'T . SO THERE'S ONLY THAT ONE CONDITION FOR THIS ITEM AND THEN THE TWO DETERMINATIONS REGARDING THE ALTERNATE MATERIALS FOR THE RAILINGS AT THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE SHUTTERS WITH THAT YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE THIS APPLICATION ,APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION OF SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND THIS WOULD BE THE SUGGESTED MOTION AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. WE'RE VERY QUESTIONS STAFF'S PRESENTATION I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PORCH I SEE THE SETBACK LANDS ON THE SITE PLAN AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH IS BUILT OVER SETBACK LINE. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE IN ADVANCE OF THE PORCH FORWARD AND BE OKAY CAN YOU SHOW ON THAT WHAT THE WHAT TREES YOU'RE ASKING TO MITIGATE I SEE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE GARAGE AREA IT LOOKS LIKE A THERE IS ONE HERE SEE IF I WANT IT THAT'S A 24 INCH LAVA OAK CORRECT AND THEN THERE WHERE YOU SEE THESE X'S LOCATED HERE THESE TREES WOULD ALSO BE REMOVED. OKAY.

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I KNOW ARBOR ARBORIST MENTIONED THAT AND WHILE AMANDA OUT SO DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVER REQUIRE VARIANCES WHEN SOMEONE'S TRYING TO BUILD AN AD'S JUST MY $0.02 ON IT SO COULD A BUILDING TYPE HAVE ALLOWED THESE TREES TO STAY AND AND I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION YOU HAVE NO WAY ANSWER IT RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND I WASN'T SURE WHO TO ASK IT OF SO OKAY WELL THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT'S THE DIAMETER OF THE LIVE OAK? THE ONE IN THE GARAGE IS 24 INCHES FOUR POINT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S A COMBINED IT'S A COMBINED TRUNK 24 INCH AND A 15 INCH.

SO IT'S TWO LIVE OAKS THAT HAVE A RIGHT IN IT AND THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE THE ARBORIST PROVIDED REPORT AND THOUGHT THE BASE APPEARED BE ROTTING. IS THAT OKAY? I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I WAS GOING TO BE A FOLLOW SO THAT IS THE ONE THE ARBORIST IT WILL EVENTUALLY EVENT EVENTUALLY ARE CURRENTLY WELL I MEAN IT'S IT'S AS INDICATED IN THE REPORT WE HAVE THE REPORT WE DO IT IS ATTACH AND IT HAD IF I RECALL CARL ONE OF THE CO DOMINANT STEMS HAS ALREADY FAILED AND FALLEN OFF THE LETTER EXPLAINED THAT THE EXPECTATION WAS EITHER THE HELP OF THE TREE WOULD CONTINUE TO DECLINE I THINK WAS THEIR TERMINOLOGY YEAH IT'S ON THE PAGE ON 296 IS TOWARD THE END OF IT AND YEAH HIS LETTER DIDN'T MAKE WITH THE 20 1415 NUMBERS BY IT UNDER LIVE OKAY SO THANK CHARLIE. THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THE APPLICATION APPLICANT PRESENT WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT ANSLEY MANUAL IS THIS WORKING? IS THE ARCHITECT AND I HAVE MARIA GIRARDI THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, THE PROPERTY OWNER SAM KIPROTICH IN ATTENDANCE.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU ARE SURE? GO AHEAD. QUERY ELEVATIONS GO TO THE REAR ELEVATION ELEVATION SO I KNOW WE WENT TO THE HPC WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING A DORMER OR SOMETHING TO BREAK THAT ROOF IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT'S ONE LONG ROOF AND ONE LONG ELEVATION.

WAS THERE A REASON THAT IT WAS I MEAN THE WINDOWS AT FIVE FOOT FOUR.

RIGHT. I REALLY LIKE TO GO THE DORMER THERE.

WELL I'VE GOT A LET'S SEE THERE'S A WAY TO GET TO YOU WANT IT'S A SIDE BUT DO YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM HERE YOU NEED FROM YOUR ACTUAL IT MIGHT BE ON THIS LOCATION OKAY WELL THIS IS A GOOD ONE TO LOOK AT SO YOU SEE THERE'S THE FRONT SHED.

WE COULD DO ONE IN THE BACK AND THE PREFERENCE WAS NOT TO DO ONE.

WELL IT'S A REASON I MEAN I THINK FUNCTIONALLY FOR A WINDOW TO BE A NORMAL INSTEAD OF FIVE FOOT FOUR TWO WOULD WORK OUT WHAT WAS THE REASONING OR NOT THE REASON WAS THE COST I MEAN I THINK IT'S JUST TOO OF A LONG MASS ON THERE WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

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SOMEONE ELSE OUTSIDE CAN WE GO WE GO BACK TO THE REAR ELEVATION PLEASE FILL IN WHILE HE'S GONE I GUESS I LEAN TO HP RC ARCHITECTURAL I WOULD I FELT LIKE ME SITTING THERE THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH THINGS THAT THEY KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP WITH FULL PANEL OF FIVE OR SEVEN. SO SOMETHING TO GO BACK THIS ARBORIST IT APPEARS THIS IS JUST A TREE COMPANY IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY BEING A CERTIFIED THAT WORKS FOR THIS COMPANY. I JUST DID A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH FOR ARBOR CARE TREE EXPERT EXPERT. ANYBODY CARE THAT I CARE ABOUT TREES DON'T HAVE THE LETTER IN FRONT OF ME BUT I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN SIGNED BY AN ARBORIST .

WELL I'M ON THEIR WEBSITE AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. THEY HAVE CERTIFIED ARBORISTS JUST THAT THEY DO TREE CARE TREE COMPANY SURE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ALL FEEL.

YEAH, I MEAN THE LETTER SIGNED BY SOMEBODY DOESN'T HE'S A CERTIFIED ARBORIST UNDERNEATH.

I MEAN I SAID IN MY PROFESSIONAL DEALINGS WE HAVE RUN INTO A LOT OF THE TREE COMPANIES HAVE AN ARBORIST ON STAFF BUT YOU'RE CORRECT I MEAN IT DOESN'T THAT ANYBODY SIGNED IT AND SAID YOU KNOW I LIKE ISC I LIKE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST DO WE KNOW IF THIS GUY IS A CERTIFIED ARBORIST? I WAS I DID NOT ATTEND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CONNECT IS HE HE HE USED TO WORK WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD JIMMY YORK AND I BELIEVE HE'S A CERTIFIED ARBORIST. THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY WITH SOME OF HIS EVALUATIONS ON THE ISLANDS REGARDING WHAT PARTICULAR CERTIFICATION THEY REQUIRED.

BUT HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR 40 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HE TRAINED OR AS I'VE WORKED WITH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS SO I KNOW HE IS KNOWLEDGEABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS EXACT CREDENTIALS ARE BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK THAT YOU WOULD TO A WEBSITE AND WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT SAYS A CERTIFIED ARBORIST HIS LETTER DOESN'T SAY HE'S A CERTIFIED ARBORIST AND THERE'S NO PICTURES TO SHOW THAT THIS IS A ROTTING TREE.

THAT GIVES ME JUST A PAUSE FOR QUESTION. SURE.

I REMEMBER I THINK THERE WERE SOME PICTURES THE TREE SUBMITTED.

I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING WHEN I WAS IN THE BUT I WAS REVIEWING DID AND I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE PROPERTY IN THE AGENDA CENTER NOT IN THE FULL PACKET.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PACKET THAT I DID I HAVEN'T SEEN AND I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR OUR TOWN ON THINGS LIKE THIS WE DO PUT IT ON THE APPLICANT TO DO THESE SURVEYS BUILDING ASSESSMENTS. DO WE GIVE APPLICANTS LIST OF ARBORISTS TO USE AND IS HE ONE OF THEM? MAYBE THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION DO WE REQUIRE FOR ANY TREE REMOVAL TO HAVE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST GIVE THAT ON OUR APPLICATION FOR TREATMENT AND REMOVAL OR MITIGATION AND I TOTALLY KNOW I'M ASKING YOU AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU BUT IF NOT THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE DID PUT ON OUR LISTS FOR AMENDMENTS FOR TREE REMOVAL TO REQUIRE CERTIFIED AND I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW IN THIS WORLD IF WE DO THAT FOR LIKE LARGE TREES OR FOR LARGE LIVE OAK FURNITURE WELL WE'VE HAD THAT ORDINANCE ACTUALLY.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT CERTIFICATION PICTURE. I MEAN THAT BACKS UP WHICH I WAS THE AGENDA CENTER SO I WAS LOOKING AT EACH PIECE INDIVIDUALLY I DIDN'T SEE THE WHOLE PACKET TOGETHER LIKE THAT BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PICTURE OF A TREE THAT WAS PRETTY LIKE LEANING TOWARD IT WAS I SAW THAT BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS THIS ONE.

THIS ONE DEFINITELY WASN'T A TWO FRONT THREE. WELL I THINK THAT I THINK THE LETTER WAS KIND OF STATING THAT THE ONE OF THE STEMS THAT ONE OF THE CO DOMINANT STEMS HAD FALLEN SO THERE MISINTERPRETING THAT THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE THIS IS THE DROP COMING IN THIS

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SO THIS WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE I THINK RICHARDSON HAS A COMMENT AS CHALLENGES TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CERTIFIED ARBORIST WHETHER THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER 33.2 2.2 OF THE UNDER WHICH IS THE TREE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THERE YOU KNOW A PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES LIKE THE REMOVAL OF A HAZARDOUS OR DISEASE TREE BUT BE QUALIFIED AS A DISEASE TREE YOU NEED LETTER FROM EITHER AN IS A WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OR OVERALL CULTURE. YOU NEED EITHER AN ISO CERTIFIED TREE RISK ASSESSOR IS A CERTIFIED ARBORIST OR IS A BOARD CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO PROVIDE AN INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENT AND IT CANNOT BE ABOUT THE SAME AS ACTUALLY GOING TO REMOVE THE TREE.

SO FOR THE FACT THAT THIS IS BEING LISTED AS A HAZARDOUS TREE YOU DO NEED THE ARBORIST BUT EVERY TREE REMOVAL THE THAT I QUICKLY REVIEWED THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE THE REPORT OF A CERTIFIED ORGANIST SO OKAY SPEAKING ON THE END OF THAT QUESTION FOR YOU I A DESIGNATION WHAT YOU SAY I SAY AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY NOT ASSOCIATED WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE REMOVING THE TREE AND I DID I DID A QUICK SEARCH OF THAT NASA WEBSITE I'M GOING TO SAY DEFINITIVELY WHETHER HE IS CERTIFIED OR NOT I'M NOT VERY WELL-VERSED WITH THAT WEBSITE BUT QUICK REVIEW DID NOT NAME DID NOT POP UP THE LAST NAME EUREKA BUT IT IS A INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY AND IT'S GOT A IT'S IT'S NOT THE MOST USER FRIENDLY WEBSITE TO OPERATE SO I COULD VERY WELL BE WRONG ON THAT ONE. YEAH THANK YOU.

THANK YOU I GUESS MY QUESTION FOLLOW UP THEN CHAIR WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR MOTION I GUESS WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN REMOVE IT. IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS RIGHT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE APPROVING A PLAN OVER A TREE THAT'S IT SHOULD BE REMOVED. WE DON'T DECIDE WHETHER YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN OR NOT BUT WONDER IF THE CERTIFIED HARBOR SAYS YOU CAN'T TAKE IT DOWN THEN THEY'RE COMING BACK BEFORE US AGAIN. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, DEFER A LITTLE BIT TO STAMP ON THIS WAY THAT I'VE KIND OF SEEN THESE APPLICATIONS THE WAY I'VE ENVISIONED GOING IS WHEN THEY'RE TREE REMOVALS AS PART OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THEY KIND OF RUN IN TANDEM WITH THE TREE PERMIT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THERE'S THAT A PERMIT NOT TREE PERMIT NOT BEING REQUIRED WOULD REQUIRE THAT CERTIFIED REPORT FOR A DISEASE TREE BECAUSE YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE AND MOVE IT QUICKLY IF THEY HAD TO FOR SAFETY CONCERNS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A TREE PERMIT, I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE EVEN WITHOUT THE ARBORIST OR CERTIFIED SUPPORT. BUT AGAIN I WILL DEFER TO STAFF ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION THAT ARE BETTER ADDRESSED TO THEM.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, YES YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY IN MY OPINION TO DECIDE THAT WITHOUT THE REPORT A CERTIFIED ARBORIST BUT IT GETS A LITTLE SQUIRRELY BECAUSE PART OF THE BASIS IS THAT IT'S A DECEASED TREE AND YOU'D WANT TO ON YOU KNOW, ACCURATE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION. THANK YOU. DO WE DO WE KNOW I MEAN YOU GUYS SUBMITTED A PICTURES OF A TREE. IS THAT THE TREE IN QUESTION ON TREES AND NOT SURE IT'S IN REFERENCE I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS THE ATTACHMENT NUMBER FOR PAGE TWO SO THIS IS I CAN BRING IT OUT FOR LYNN NEARY OR WHILE IT WAS ATTACHMENT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE SUBMISSION DOCUMENTS FOR HERE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BECAUSE THE FIRST SET OF PICTURES I TOOK I DON'T THINK I SAW THE PRELIMINARY WE WENT WE WENT OUT AND TOOK PICTURES THEY COULDN'T FIND THE PRELIMINARY PICTURES HERE SO I KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO

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BUT YOU DON'T HAVE PICTURES. YOU DON'T HAVE A CERTIFIED AND YOU WANT TO TAKE DOWN A LARGE TREE SO THAT'S MY FEELING. CAN WE SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED? SO IT'S A FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE AND WHERE THAT TREE ACTUALLY SITS IN THE GARAGE. THE FRONT PROPERTY GIVES IT A WAY TO MOVE THROUGH. IT'S THERE. YEAH, YOU JUST KNOW WELL IT COULD BACK UP YOUR WITH IT OR IS IT PASS. I DON'T SEE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE I THINK IT'S KIND OF SKEWED BACK LINE WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH A VARIANCE MERGING I JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE ON THE REAR WHAT WAS THE VARIANCE FOR? WE WERE TRYING TO GET FIVE MORE ADDITIONAL FEET IN THE REAR FOR THE MAIN THE GARAGE ALREADY SITS AT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK AND BUT HONESTLY THERE ARE OTHER BUILDING TYPES WOULD FIT ON THIS LOT AND WOULD SAVE THE TREE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY SWAY ON THAT BUT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A BIG HOUSE ON A SMALL LOT AND THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT TREE THAT WE DON'T KNOW IS DYING OR NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE OUR THE TREE PERSON AND IT'S JUST A BIG HOUSE ON A SMALL LOT OR ADDITIONAL WHAT ARE YOU BUILDING THE TYPE I DON'T KNOW I MEAN THE THE VERNACULAR AND THE MAIN STREET BUILDING WERE TWO THAT SHE MENTIONED I'D LISTEN IF IT WAS ON A 40 INCH TREE TO ME BUT WE JUST HEARD A LOT OF OTHER TREES ARE BEING CUT DOWN AND I MEAN IF IT'S JUST EAST THAT WE GET IT BUT THERE'S JUST NO PROOF RIGHT? IF IT IS Z'S TREE YOU CAN'T KEEP A DECEASED TREE. BUT I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

ARBOR TREE HAS AN ARBORIST. I MEAN, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T EVEN PUT THE DESIGNATION AFTER IT SO I DON'T KNOW WHO CALLED HIM AND I HOPE HE KNOWS IF THIS GOES THROUGH HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CUT DOWN THE TREES HE'S NOT GOING BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT LOT BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN US A LETTER TO SAY THAT IT SHOULD COME DOWN. SO HE EITHER GIVES US THE LETTER OR HE PROVIDES THE WORK BUT HE CAN'T DO BOTH. BUT WE NEED HIM TO BE AN ARBORIST. I THINK AND COMMISSIONER. SO MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY AGAIN IN JUST LOOKING THROUGH THE VIDEO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY JURISDICTION ISSUING THE TREE PERMIT. IT IS THE EPA ADMINISTRATOR AND I JUST CONFIRMED THAT WITH STAFF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IS ADD A CONDITION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LETTER HERE BUT YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER THIS IS SUFFICIENT UNDER THE DUTY OF THE TO REQUIRE THAT A CERTIFIED ARBORIST REPORT BE PROVIDED AS A CONDITION TO YOU CAN'T REALLY CONDITION THE GRANTING OF THE TREE PERMIT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION BUT CONDITION THE REMOVAL OF THAT TREE ON THE CERTIFIED ARBORIST REPORT BEING SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND THE UEO ADMINISTRATOR ABLE

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BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO. I HATE TO WE WOULD WE WOULD DENY IT BUT IT COULD BE A SIMPLE CONDITION OF AND IF IT IS FROM AN ARBORIST AND THEY DO SAY THE TREE IS HEALTHY THEN THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO THEN THEY DON'T GET IT AND THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM I'M FINE WITH THAT. ARE YOU GUYS HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT AS A PATH FORWARD TO CONTINUE REVIEW ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS THAT CONDITION THAT THE TREE IS IN THAT CONDITION AND THAT AS LONG AS THEY CAN PROVIDE A CERTIFIED IVUS LETTER AND PHOTOGRAPH THAT AND IT WOULDN'T COME TO US AGAIN BUT THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT AND IF THAT WASN'T FOUND THAT IT WAS DISEASE OR IN ROUGH SHAPE THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED BUT IF THE TREE IS NOT THEN IT THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR END THEY WILL STILL NEED TO GO CORRECT THEY'D HAVE TO MODIFY THE PLAN OR COME BACK AND REQUEST THAT IT BE REMOVED AND WE CAN SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN YOU KNOW DAY DATED AFTER THE DATE OF THIS MEETING JUST SO BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER ONE WAS ABOUT A YEAR OLD FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR OLD I'M NOT SURE THAT IF THAT REALLY MATTERS BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EDA ADMINISTRATOR UNDERSTANDS YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU WANT TO YOU WANT A NEW LETTER JUST CONFIRMING THIS RATHER THAN NECESSARILY RELYING WHAT WAS PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS HEALTH CONCERNS WAS IMPORTANT.

OKAY SO ASSUMING THAT WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH KIND OF MAKING THAT A CONDITION, PUTTING THAT TREE TO THE SIDE ANYBODY ELSE, HAVING DISCUSSION ON THE PROJECT NOW THAT YOU KNOW IT IS THE FACT THE WINDOWS ARE JUST ON THAT SECOND FLOOR AND I THINK IT IS A DOOR THERE IT'S A VERY, VERY VERTICAL IT'S NOT THAT OH THAT'S ALL FOR THE GARAGE TOO AND THE WHOLE THING IS VERY VERTICAL I THINK I WOULD AGREE I WOULD BE MOST CONCERNED WITH KIND OF LIKE THAT LENGTH OF ROOF MORE THAN LIKE I THINK IF THE WINDOWS FELT LIKE THEY WERE AT KIND OF A STORY AND A HALF THINK THAT DOESN'T MEAN I THINK THEY'RE REALLY LOW ON THE INTERIOR BUT IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH. I MEAN I THINK THE WINDOWS ARE VERY LITTLE SENSE FIVE AND FOUR IS VERY LOW BUT I MEAN SPACE IS WHAT IT IS THAT I WAS LIKE IS IT IS THERE A I WISH I KNEW HOW TO DO THIS BUT LET'S GO BACK LET'S GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN AND SEE THE SECOND 15 IT'S A IT'S AN UPSTAIRS. IS THERE A REASON THAT THE BEARING IN THE BACK WOULDN'T BE JUST A LITTLE BIT TALLER? YEAH, MORE LIKE YES THE EXEMPTION VARIANCE AT EIGHT IS PRETTY LOW. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE MAIN ROOF IS LINING UP WITH THE RIDGE OF CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO IF I MAKE IT A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THEY WOULD RAISE THE PARISH HOUSE A LITTLE BIT BUT THOSE WINDOWS ARE ALSO KIND OF LOW SO IT'S A LITTLE LOWER TO CARRY A LITTLE BIT TOO. BUT THAT'S IN THE STAIRWELL.

YEAH. SO ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS NOT A ROOM THAT'S GOING TO SO IN THE INDUSTRY THAT THEY'RE IN THE STAIRWELL I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BONUS BEDROOM AND THE GARAGE ON THE FRONT THERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE YEAH THOSE ARE LOW BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO KEEP THAT GARAGE RIDGE MUCH LOWER THAN KEEPING THE SCALE DOWN BUT I MEAN I

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SO FIVE FOOT 2 TO 5 FOOT FOUR AND THERE'S FIVE FOOT EIGHT I BELIEVE PRETTY LOW WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN MY EYES IT'S GOING TO BE BELOW MY LEVEL BUT I JUST YOU KNOW, STATICALLY YOU KNOW TYPICALLY YOU DRESS BY THE DORMER LIKE THE FRONT FOOT KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED HBC IS THAT BREAKS UP THE MASS OF THE ROOF IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IN THE BACK SO WE'RE OPEN TO RAISING THE WINDOW HEADER AT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FACING THE FRONT AND ADDING I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE AS PROMINENT OF A SHED DORMER AS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN BRINGING IN WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE GARAGE? I MEAN DOES IT I THINK REALLY I THINK THE I MEAN FROM AN EXTERIOR DESIGN STANDPOINT FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO ME FEELS LOW SCALE AND THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS DOESN'T BOTHER ME SO MUCH FROM THE BACK THAT IS VERY SMALL WINDOWS. IT FEELS LIKE THE FEELS LIKE THE BACK ROOF IS THE KIND OF THING THAT SHOULD BE BROKEN UP TO ME. BUT WE WILL WE ARE OPEN TO ADDING A SHED A REAR FACING SHED AT LEAST TRIPLE WINDOWS WHICH AND RAISING THE HAD HER HEIGHT OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS INTO THE UPSTAIRS DOWN I MEAN I THINK FOR ME THAT KEEPS THINGS SIMPLE AND WORKS YOU KNOW ABOUT IT'S THE WINDOWS THAT TO GET BIGGER I MEAN IT WOULDN'T BE A DORMER IN THE SENSE OF A PROJECTION COMING OUT OF THE ROOM RIGHT OFF THE ROOF.

IT'S JUST REALLY MOSTLY A TO PLAY RIGHT OVER THE TRIPLE WINDOWS BRICK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE THEM ESPECIALLY HERE WE'VE GOT CHARLOTTE YES WE CAN HAVE THEM SOMEDAY.

THESE ARE WE CAN SEE THAT ONCE IT'S DONE YOU CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST.

YES BUT APPROVED TONIGHT APPROVED TONIGHT WITH IT YEAH THINK THIS THEY ARE SEE JUST THE LOOK AT THE DOOR AND THAT MAKES IT A FASTER PROCESS. YES IF ANY DISCUSSION THE SHUTTERS WHERE ARE THEY IT WAS IN THE PACKAGE THE SHUTTERS WERE NEUTRALIZED IN DEEP SOUTH IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IT WAS A VERY NICE SHUTTER IN LINE WITH THE ATLANTIC PREMIUM ARCHITECTURAL GRADE THAT WE HAVE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY TONIGHT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN ONE OF THEIR PICTURES IT WAS THE PALMETTO BLUFF CHAPEL. I'M NOT I THINK YOU WAS I DIDN'T KNOW NOT ONE OF MY ONE IN THERE. BUT THOSE ARE VERY LARGE SORT OF EXAM AND TASK PROJECTS. YOUR EYES ARE ON MY ANKLE MONITOR.

HMM. DOES EVERYBODY LIKE ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION I THINK IT'S PAGE 285 EVERYBODY LIKE THIS WINDOWS LIKE THE PLACEMENTS LIKE JUST SEEMS A LITTLE I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SIZES. IS THIS UP ON THE SCREEN NOW? YEAH. OKAY, MAYBE IT'S JUST ONE DIFFERENT SIZE.

WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE SMALLER WINDOW BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE KIND OF SYMMETRICAL AROUND THE SERVICE YARD FENCE SO THREE OF THE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME SIZE AND THEN THE WINDOW YOU'RE SEEING ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEN THE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS ARE THE SAME SIZE THAT WE KNOW IN THE TOP LEFT BEING SMALLER SO THAT AND THAT'S

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I MEAN THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERTICALLY ALIGNED BUT NO LONGER HAVE THE WINDOW UPSTAIRS UNDER THE RIDGE. I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND THEN IT'S SITTING DOWN THERE KIND OF WONKY YOUR MIND IF I GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN BUT I AGREE.

I THINK THAT KIND OF MAKES IT WINDOWS IN AN AISLE SHAPE THERE AND THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE THAT IS OKAY. IT'S DOING ITS OWN THING. THE TWO LOWER ONES MORE CENTERED ON THE SERVICE YARD UPSTAIRS THEY'RE UPSTAIRS YEAH THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR ME TO SHIFT IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THAT ONE BEDROOM THERE TOO. WELL THAT WAS IT SHOULD LINE UP IT'S A LITTLE LOW DOES EVEN IS IT MORE OF A WANT TO KEEP IT CENTERED ON THE RIDGE OR KEEP IT ALIGNED BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THE BOTTOM? I THINK WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WINDOW BELOW IS IT ENDS UP CRASHING INTO A WALL. A WELL YOU KNOW I THINK IN PAST THE RIDGE AS IMPORTANT AS MAKING THE THE THIRD THE FOURTH SMALL WINDOW I THINK YOU START TO CENTER THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT ABOVE EACH OTHER. IT MAKES THAT THIRD WINDOW FEEL FURTHER APART AND KIND OF ITS OWN ELEMENT RATHER THAN RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT LIKE A IF THAT WINDOW IS TALL AND THE SAME SIZE YOU KIND OF THIS NICE CENTERED SYMMETRICAL ARRANGEMENT OF FOUR WINDOWS BUT SINCE THAT ONE'S SMALL IT FEELS WEIRD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I COULD POSSIBLY DO IF WE JUST GET RID OF THE SMALL WINDOW GOING INTO THE BATHROOM IT'LL JUST BE A WINDOW LESS THAN. I PROBABLY COULD JUST SHIFT SHIFT THE DOWNSTAIRS WINDOW SO THAT YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF A TRIANGLE AND IF I HAVE IT'S NO WAY TO DO A POINTER I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SAYING MOVE THE BOTTOM IF THIS WINDOW CAME OVERHEATING GIVE IT LIKE THIS BUT I DON'T KNOW I MEAN, I WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT ONE AND BUT I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY WINDOW IN THAT BATHROOM RIGHT NOW TO SEE THE WINDOW LEFT THE BATHROOM I JUST DO A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WINDOW. YEAH. I MEAN I WOULD WANT A WINDOW.

I WOULD FIGURE THAT WE YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE AROUND OR INSTEAD OF ELIMINATING IT ALTOGETHER IF THERE'S A WAY TO I THINK AND YOU SHOULD BOTH BOTTOM WINDOWS OVER LIKE SO IT'S CENTERED ON THE SECOND FLOOR I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST THERE WE GO. I DON'T I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THE THE WINDOW CENTERED IN THE GABLE IS PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE. I AGREE.

SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS IF THOSE TWO WINDOWS ALIGNED ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT IT ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT. YEAH OKAY SO JUST WHILE I'M AT THE FLOORPLAN DOWNSTAIRS THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE LEFT THE TOILET ROOM COULD SHIFT LEFT AND THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE RIGHT IN THE MASTER BEDROOM COULD SHIFT FURTHER RIGHT THOSE

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SO NOW THAT WHEN WE GO TO THAT ELEVATION DOES THAT HOW WELL CAN YOU IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE POINTER AND KIND OF SHOW LIKE OKAY THIS WINDOW THAT WAY THAT WINDOW THIS WAY.

OKAY OKAY THAT WOULD HELP ME. THIS WINDOW IS FREE TO GO JUST A SMIDGEN I WOULD SAY THAT DIMENSION LINE IS ABOUT AS FAR AS IT CAN GO AND STILL BE IN THAT TOILET ROOM THIS WINDOW GO HERE OR STAY IT IS OR NOT EXIST THIS WINDOW CAN SHIFT ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA AND THIS CAN SHIFT TOO BUT THIS IS THEIR BED WALL SO IT EITHER REALLY HAS TO BE HERE OR ALL THE WAY THE END.

BUT THE SIMPLEST THING FOR ME TO DO IS JUST ALIGN IF IT'S YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EASY AND FORGET ABOUT IT LINING UP AT THE RIDGE THINGS I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.

OKAY ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE SO KIND OF COMING BACK TO WHAT TALKED ABOUT SO FAR WITH THE STAFF COMMENTS, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IS THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM HANDRAIL AND I DON'T THINK YOU CUT SHEET PER SE SO I JUST SURFACE THE CONTRACTOR HE SAYS HE'S USING AN 11 SIX BUT IT'S A FABRICATOR HERE IN BLUFFTON SO IT'S A WELDED YES PRODUCT. GREAT. SO THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE APPROVED TONIGHT. SO WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE A CONDITION ABOUT THE APPLICANT PROVIDING A CERTIFIED LETTER DATED AFTER TODAY FROM A CERTIFIED ARBORIST REGARDING THAT ONE TREE AND THEN THE WINDOW ITEM. AND TIM, YOUR COMMENT ON THE ROOF CHAD ROOF IN THE BACK. RIGHT. AND HE'S A CHAIR THE WINDOWS MEDIA FIGURE TO GO ON THAT SCHEDULE. YES.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND YOU KNOW THE ARBOR SO THE LETTER WRITER IF IF THEY'RE THE IF THEY ARE CERTIFIED ARBORISTS IT CAN STILL COME FROM THE SAME LETTER WRITER IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVE THEY'RE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. YES.

I MEAN ON THE ON THE THIS GUY'S WEBSITE. NO WHERE DOES SAY THAT THEY HAVE CERTIFIED ARBORISTS AND I'M JUST GOING THE WEBSITE AND SO YOU KNOW HE DOESN'T HAVE LIKE A TITLE YOU KNOW UNDERSTOOD THE NAME AND AN ADDRESS IT'S IT WOULD HAVE HELPED IF HE WENT TO SEE IF HE WOULD HAVE SIGNED A LETTER AS LONG AS HE CAN PROVIDE THAT SORT OF THING. YES THIS IS PRETTY GOOD CERTIFICATION I THINK TO KEEP THE WORDING SIMPLE SIMPLE. IF HE COULD RE DATE HIS LETTER AFTER TODAY AND PROVIDE HIS CERTIFICATION THAT WOULD HELP YOU KNOW HE COULD GET IT BEFORE HP OVERSEEING AT LEAST THEY GET SOME ON TRACK WITH CORRECT WELL HE CAN SUBMIT AT ANY TIME THEY COULD COMMIT AT ANY TIME TO BE NICE MAYBE PRE HP OR SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT BUT AND THEN IF Y'ALL ARE VOTING ON THE SHED DORM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR THIS IS A GOOD ELEVATION TO WHAT THE FRONT DOOR IS DOING.

YEAH MEAN I THINK YOU DO WELL ARE THOSE PLATES THAT WAS NINE FEET AND I THINK HE NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE I THINK THE WINDOWS NEED TO GROW UP INTO THAT DORMER I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE SHORTER POSSIBLY BUT WHAT IS THE PLATE ON THAT? I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM BECAUSE IT'LL COME TO HP RC I THINK YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO KIND OF DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT AND THIS ONE I MIGHT DO A LITTLE LOWER I JUST DEPENDS ON PENCIL. YEAH, I WOULD STUDY IT BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SIMILAR TO THE FRONT FIVE WHEN IT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU THREE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE WINDOWS IN THE BACK THREE SIDE BUT JUST MAKE THE WINDOW SCALE. FORTUNATELY WITH THE DORMER OKAY DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR.. MR. CHAIRMAN I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR YOU. THERE'S A LOT ON HERE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT I THANK YOU. I THINK YOU HIT EVERYTHING JUST

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ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I, I I THE MOTION HAS PASSED AND THE THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. THANK YOU I HAVE OFF MY AGENDA

[VIII.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff) ]

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