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DO IN FEBRUARY WE'RE DOING TODAY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY COUNTY COUNCIL TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICIES AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN HOW DIFFERENT, UH, FEATURES IN OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT HELP IMPLEMENT THAT.
AND SO THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING FRESHER ON THE MINDS OF THE PLANT.
THIS IS BECOMING MORE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING WELL ECONOMICALLY, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF GROWTH OCCUR IN THE HOUSING MARKET.
AND OBVIOUSLY OUR, UM, THE COST OF HOUSING IS GOING UP.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECOMES AN ISSUE IN THE FOREFRONT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS, THE COST OF HOUSING IS JUST CONTINUALLY RISING AND SEEMS TO BE OUT OF REACH OF MORE AND MORE PEOPLE IN, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
AND SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A INTEREST OF COUNTY COUNCIL OURSELVES TO WORK WITH, UM, WITH THE, UM, BEFORD JASPER HOUSING TRUST IN, IN DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO THIS SPECIFICALLY LOOKS AT THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR REDUCING REGULATORY BARRIERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND I WILL SAY, AND IF IN A, UM, COUNTY LIKE BEAUFORT COUNTY, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS.
AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS AND TRYING TO AVOID SPRAWLING INTO OUR RURAL AREAS.
UM, INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, NOT DEVELOPING SO MUCH THAT WE'RE AFFECTING, UH, THE PROVISION OF SERVICES LIKE TRANSPORTATION AND ALL OF THAT IN WHICH YOU FIND IS THAT THEN CERTAIN INTERESTS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS GO COUNTER.
AND SO IT BECOMES A BALANCING ACT.
SO THE, THE MORE LAND THAT WE'RE PRESERVING, THE MORE THAT WE ARE MAKING EFFORTS TO PRESERVE TREES AND WETLANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT CAN HAVE THE IMPACT OF DRIVING UP HOUSING COSTS.
NOT SAYING THAT ONE INTEREST IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER, BUT IT JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT BECOMES A BALANCING ACT OF HOW DO YOU THREAD THE NEEDLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS WANT US TO DO IN BEAVER COUNTY, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE KEEP THE COST OF HOUSING AFFORDABLE OR, OR DO WE NEED TO INTERVENE AND DO SPECIFIC THINGS TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN? AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IDEA OF REGULATORY BARRIERS, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE GREAT INTENTIONS TO HAVE REALLY QUALITY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT THEN ARE THEY BECOMING BARRIERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND SO OUR CODE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IDENTIFIED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS WORK TO ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING BY PERIODICALLY EVALUATING AND UPDATING THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE THE CODE, WE HAVE CERTAIN PROVISIONS IN THERE AS WE SHOULD ALWAYS REEVALUATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, TO HELP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I DON'T THINK THIS WORKS WHEN THIS IS ON SHARE, SO I'M GONNA SIT BACK,
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CLICK IT ON THE STOP SCREEN SHARING AND THEN WENT TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN ENABLED SCREEN SHARING AGAIN.I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
HAVE SPEED EASIER HE TO MINIMIZE HIS FACE ASSISTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADVANCE IT WHILE IT'S ON SHARE.
I GUESS WE'RE BROADCASTING THE WHOLE WORLD, WE HOW TO USE THIS.
SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO, UM, IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TOOLS AND THEY KIND OF, THEY'RE BASED ON THE TYPE OF AREA, THE COUNTY YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE DENSITY BONUSES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT'S ONLY IN ONE DISTRICT AND IT'S OUR MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU ARE IN THE C FIVE REGIONAL CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT, YOU CAN WAIVE THE DENSITY CEILING IF YOU'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, TARGETED INCOME GROUP, THE PERIOD THAT IT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S VERY WELL, UM, WRITTEN OUT ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW LONG IT'S AFFORDABLE.
UM, KIND OF ON THAT WAS IN THE MOST INTENSE PART OF THE COUNTY.
BUT IN OUR RURAL AREAS, WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, EVEN IF IT'S AFFORDABLE, IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE, IN OUR RURAL AREAS.
AND SO RURAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOCUS ON THINGS LIKE THE FAMILY COMPOUNDS, THE RURAL SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION THINGS THAT HELP RURAL PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, TO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS MOVE UNDER PROPERTY OR TO BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE SMALLER LOTS AND, AND DEVELOP THEM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY EARLY SUPPORTING LARGE SCALE OR HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A REVISION CALLED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS LAW APARTMENT OR GARAGE APARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR TRANS ZONES AND OUR, UH, MIXED USE SONY DISTRICT.
SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, KIND OF GO IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
SO DENSITY BONUSES, AND THIS IS ONE, I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN EXPANDING THIS IN THE COUNTY, BUT THIS SPECIFICALLY WAS DEVELOPED TO APPLY TO ONE CONVERSION OF A, IT WAS A EXTENDED STAY HOTEL IN SOUTHERN BEFORD COUNTY THAT THEY WANTED TO CONVERT TO, TO, UH, APARTMENTS.
THERE'S A SIMILAR CASE IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL, I THINK THE OLD DAYS IN, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
AND THIS WOULD'VE, BECAUSE THESE ARE SMALL EFFICIENCY UNITS ARE 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IN C FIVE, THIS WOULD'VE, I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE 24 OR 25 AT THAT TIME.
THIS WAS CLOSE TO 10 YEARS AGO.
ALLOW FOR, UM, IF THEY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS THAT, THAT QUALIFY AS AFFORDABLE, THEN THEY CAN GO HIGHER.
BASICALLY THERE'S NO DENSITY CAP, BUT THEY CAN'T EXCEED THE FOUR STORY HEIGHT LIMIT.
THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR STORM WATER, THEIR OPEN SPACE, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IT, IT ALLOWS FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IT MADE THIS PROJECT WORK.
I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IF I FEEL IT'S THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DONE AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT PROVISION THERE.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S LIMITED TO ONE DISTRICT,
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UM, AND IT PROBABLY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, BUT MAYBE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARDS, NOT NECESSARILY TAKING AWAY A AGAINST YOUR REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING IT TO INCREASE TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF RECOGNIZE AS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON IN OUR CODE.
UM, WE ARE OPENING UP A DIALOGUE WITH THE, UH, BEFORD JASPER HOUSING TRUST TO TALK APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHAT THEY SEE ARE SOME BARRIERS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BEGINNING TO START THIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL DEFINITELY, IF ANYTHING COMES OUT OF IT, IT WILL THEN COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE CAN FURTHER THE CONVERSATION HERE.
UM, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND FAMILY COMPOUND.
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PROVISION IN OUR CODE.
IT, WE USE IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THIS.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN A RURAL AREA WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ALLOW HIGHER DENSITY TO ALLOW CLUSTERING OF HOUSES ON A, A LOT OF TIMES THIS IS HEIRS PROPERTY, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HEIRS PROPERTY.
THE ONE PROVISION IS IT'S FA UM, PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN OWNED BY A FAMILY FOR 50 YEARS OR MORE.
AND, UM, IT'S REQUIRED THAT, UM, FAMILY RELATIONSHIP MOVING ON A PROPERTY IS RELATED, BUT THAT, UM, IS I THINK FOR A FIVE YEAR, YOU KNOW, SO EVENTUALLY IF IT, IF IT'S A SUBDIVIDED LOT, IT COULD BE SOLD AFTER FIVE YEARS.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IN RURAL AREAS, IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, FAMILIES TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, I THINK IS REALLY HELPFUL IN RURAL AREAS.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY IT, YOU WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO ONE DWELLING UNIT PER THREE ACRES.
THIS ALLOWS YOU TO GO UP TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS.
BUT WHAT IT WOULDN'T DO IS IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED ACRE PARCEL AND YOU GO TWO UNITS PER ACRE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE TALKING MAYBE A PULTE DEVELOPMENT OR DR. HORTON.
BUT THIS IS MORE ON A SMALL SCALE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, FAMILY PROPERTIES IN RURAL AREAS.
WE ALSO HAVE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CAN I ASK, JUST BECAUSE THE FAMILY COMPOUND IS, IS ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A, WHERE THEY HAD, UH, THE PARENTS HAD A LARGE PART A, A PARCEL OF LAND THAT THEY WANTED TO PARTIALLY, I GUESS EITHER DEED OR ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN TO BUY SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING OR BUILD SOMETHING.
THAT, THAT THE COST WAS SO PROHIBITIVE OF THE SEWER AND THE WATER AND HOOKUP YEAH.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IT, IT WASN'T AFFORDABLE ANYMORE.
EVEN WITH A MANUFACTURED HOME, THEY COULDN'T DO IT.
SO ARE WE GOING TO START, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE REGULATORY BARRIERS.
ARE WE GONNA START TRYING TO TALK MORE WITH BEFOR, JASPER DOMINION TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THOSE FEES? THAT IS CERTAINLY, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD WITH BEFOR JASPER HOUSING TRUST.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WITH SEWER WATER, THE COUNTY, UNLESS WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO DO FUNDS, MAYBE SUBSIDIZING THAT FEE, IT'S REALLY UP TO BEAUFORT, JASPER.
AND THEY HA THEY HAVE A VERY, THEY ARE BASICALLY FUNDED FULLY BY RATE PAYERS.
AND SO, UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE HAVING THEM COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT, I, I CAN'T DO IT JUST AS NEARLY AS THEY COULD.
BUT THEY'RE VERY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR SHARE OF THEIR IM OF THE IMPACT ON SEWER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THOSE, THOSE TAP-IN FEES.
UM, BUT IT DOES CREATE, BECAUSE IT, IT, THEY JUST KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
BUT I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR IMPACT FEES IN THAT THEY, THEY CAN'T JUST SIMPLY REDUCE THEM.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE KIND OF STEP IN AND BUY DOWN THE COST OF, OF, BUT THAT BRING BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING THING AND YES, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THEM COME IN SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT.
IN SUCH FEES BE PAID OVER A PERIOD OF TIME FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN THE RATE FOR THOSE FEES BE ADJUSTED? CAN TAXES
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BE ADJUSTED WHERE THEY HAVE THE IMPACT FEES WE HAVE SO THAT THE PERSON IS PAYING OVER LET'S SAY A FIVE, EIGHT YEAR PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO COME IN, HOOK UP FEES, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WAY WE COULD MAKE THEM, I HATE THE TERM AFFORDABLE.UM, I CAN'T, THAT'S ON, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT P FOR JASPER COULD SPEAK TO.
I KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT WITH THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY BRING THE SEWER TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND THEN YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THE PHYSICAL PIPE TO YOUR HOUSE.
THEY DO THAT, THEY CALL IT AMORTIZING OVER A PERIOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT FOR THE ACTUAL HOOKUP FEE, WHICH IS A, A DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY.
AND, AND I SITTING HERE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THOSE FEES ARE.
BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED SOME OF OUR FEES AND NOW THEY SKIPPED MY MIND AS TO WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT CAN SOME OF THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE BE DEFERRED OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME? CERTAINLY WHEN SOMEBODY GOES IN AND THEY, IT'S A FAMILY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S GOING TO SUFFER WITH A NEW HOUSING UNIT OR UNITS COMING IN, UM, AND THEY'VE GOT TO RECOVER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL.
CAN THAT, CAN ALL THESE THINGS BE FACTORED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO UPFRONT IT AND NOT BE ABLE TO? AND THAT'S, I THINK WHAT THE GENERAL QUESTION IS.
AND I HONESTLY, WITH OUR IMPACT FEES, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING SET UP LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD, COUNTY COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED FUNDING FOR, UH, A REDUCTION IN IMPACT FEES, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY, THAT FEE IS PAID DOWN FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHEN SOMEBODY GETS A, A BUILDING PERMIT.
I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO FIND OUT BECAUSE, AND I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON THIS TOO LONG, BUT WE SEE AREAS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THE FEES JUST KEEP GOING UP AND OR WHERE THE FEES DON'T GO UP, BUT THE TAXES GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THINGS THAT COULDN'T.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FAIR TO THE PEOPLE AS WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME, PEOPLE COME IN FROM CERTAIN AREAS OF THIS COUNTY MM-HMM
AND NOW WE'RE RAISING THEIR TAXES TO AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO LET THE NEXT PERSON COME IN AND GET BY.
AND THAT'S, I WANNA TRY TO AVOID THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO BE FAIR.
SO I, MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH IS THIS AFFECTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUN CITY DEVELOPMENT AND AN HES PROPERTY TYPE SETUP LIKE THAT? OR A FAMILY COMPOUND? YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FAMILY COMPOUND WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE ONE OR TWO HOUSES VERSUS A SUN CITY WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF HOUSES? WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GEAR THIS? AND ARE WE BASING THE RULE OFF OF SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES? AND THEN VERSUS SOMETHING WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES IN WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A RESTRICTION TO A SUN CITY OR TO A PULTE OR TO A LENNAR OR WHOEVER SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUT 500 HOUSES IN.
BUT OUT OF THOSE 500 HOUSES, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE 50 OF 'EM THAT HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE AND THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA.
AND IN ORDER TO MEET THAT CRITERIA, THE EXTERIOR HAS TO LOOK THE SAME.
AND EVERYTHING ON THE COSMETIC SIDE OF IT HAS TO BE THE SAME.
BUT WHAT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE IS THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE HOME.
YOU DON'T GET THE TILE, YOU DON'T GET THE HIGH-END GRANITE, YOU DON'T GET ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT YOU LOOK LIKE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT HOUSE LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT IS THE AFFORDABLE HOME IN THAT HOUSE.
AND THEY DO IT AS A LOTTERY SYSTEM, OR THEY DO IT BASED ON AN INCOME.
AND THEY KNOW THAT GOING INTO THAT AS A CRITERIA TO GET THAT DEVELOPMENT APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE X NUMBER OF HOMES THAT
BUT ALSO, ROB, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAMILY COMPOUNDS, THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO BE JASPER WATER SEWER.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. MM-HMM
AND THE STATE DA COMES IN AND THEY FAIL HALF OF THE PROPERTIES FOR CONVENTIONAL SYSTEMS. SO YOU PRICING THEM OUT OF BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR FAMILY COMPOUND BECAUSE NOBODY
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HAS $30,000 FOR SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS THAT THEY'RE WANTING THEM TO INSTALL.SO THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH YEAH.
SO PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S ALMOST USELESS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT SOMETHING IN.
THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE CONVERSATION WITH BUFORD, JASPER, LIKE I SAID, DOMINION ENERGY.
ANY OTHER ENTITY THAT IS GONNA HAVE A TYPE OF CONNECTION FEE TO WHERE IT CAN BE REDUCED.
OR LIKE GENE WAS SAYING, HAVE IT AMORTIZED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME SO YOU'RE NOT HIT WITH SEVEN, 10, $20,000 RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
PAY IT OFF, ADD IT TO THE MORTGAGE FEE OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE THE THINGS THAT, THAT THINGS ARE BEING TRIED NOW ARE, IT'S, IT'S COST PROHIBIT.
AND LET'S NOT FORGET OUR FEED SCHOOL DISTRICT FEED, YOU KNOW, WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS NEED IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS RIGHT.
AND I KNOW THAT IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, SO.
I'M SO, GOT ABOUT A MINUTE NOW.
UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE?
ALL OF THESE, AND I, I'LL JUST COUCH IT IN THIS TERMS 'CAUSE I, I GOTTA WRAP IT UP IN 30 SECONDS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE.
AND SO IT'S SOMETHING YOU CHIP AWAY AT HERE.
AND THERE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE JUST MAKING LITTLE DIFFERENCES MIGHT HELP.
ONE FAMILY ACCESSORY DWELLING.
IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THAT'S FINE FOR MAYBE FAMILIES, BUT IF YOU'RE A SINGLE PERSON AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENT A GARAGE APARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT JUST, IT'S PROVIDING MORE OF A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES.
IT ALSO COULD BECOME A, YOU KNOW, A TOOL FOR A PROPERTY OWNER MAYBE TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL INCOME.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS, THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
AND, UM, ONE OF OUR, UH, PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT IS BUILDING ONE NOW, AND IT'S BEEN AN EYE-OPENER FOR HER, HOW, HOW EXPENSIVE IT IT'S BEEN.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, LIKE CHERRY POINT, UM, UH, RAMSEY FARMS, SOMEBODY WANTING TO DO A MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN OR A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE UNITS.
AND IN ADDITION, THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES THAT'S REQUIRED BY THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS ADDS MORE TO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, BUT, UM, CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION SINCE WE'RE WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT WE'RE, WE ARE BEING WITH, UM, CLAUDE HICKS WITH THE BEAVER JASPER HOUSING TO KIND OF START GOING, LOOKING AT A MAP OF THE COUNTY GOING PARCEL BY PARCEL AND LOOKING AT WHAT THESE BARRIERS ARE.
AND WE'RE HOPING OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WE MIGHT, UM, HAVE MORE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX.
BUT AS I THINK AS WE KIND OF SEE IN THIS
THERE'S THE, JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THE COST, YOU KNOW.
AND SO PROBABLY IN MANY CASES IT TAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENT, IT'S KIND OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY IS BUYING DOWN THE COST OF LAND IN ORDER FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SALES PRICE TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE OR, YOU KNOW, REDUCTIONS IN, IN THE HOOKUP FEE OR DIFFERENT, BUT IT TAKES, BUT IT TAKES, I WOULD SAY, A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO, TO MAKE AFFORDABLE, THEY NEED TO FIND A DEVELOPER WITH A PHILANTHROPIC
AND OUR GOAL IS IF WE DO, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S TRY THESE THINGS.
APPROPRIATE NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF.
AND WE NEED, I'M THE VICE CHAIR
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
LY MCMILLAN AMERICA, UM, FOR, UH,[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – November 3, 2025 Regular Meeting and Comprehensive Plan Workshop Meetings: Nov 6, Nov 13, Dec 2, Dec 11]
UH, UH, WORKSHOP MEETINGS, UM, TO,[00:25:02]
UH, UM, PASS THE MINUTES FOR WE HAVE IN OUR TTS THESE WERE, UM, MINUTES OF THESE WORKSHOP MEETINGS THAT WERE INTENDED TO, UM, GET THE PROCESS OF REVISING THE COMP PLAN STARTED, WE'RE OBLIGATED BY LAW, I BELIEVE TO FINISH IT BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, BUT WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FOUR.SO IS THERE A SECOND FOR 11? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK GOOD, UM, APPROVAL AGENDA.
TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS VERY SHORT.
IT'S REALLY A ONE TEXT AMENDMENT.
AND, UM, UH, ROB WILL RUN US THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS OF THAT IN A MINUTE.
UM, ARE THERE CITIZEN COMMENTS, UH, THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? AND IF YOU PLEASE COME UP, UM, TO THE PODIUM.
SO NO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON OFF AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH, I KNOW IT'S AS I, I WAS SO FOCUSED ON THE SMALL AMOUNT OF THE AGENDA, SMALL AMOUNT OF ITEMS. UM, OKAY.
[7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP 5 ACRES (R300 016 000 0063 0000, R300 016 000 0064 0000, R300 016 000 0065 0000) FROM T3HN TO T4VC]
CAN, THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE TABLE 3.160 CONSOLIDATED USE TABLE, UH, 3.240, UH, H IN ALLOWED USES IN THE ZONE T TWO R, THAT IS T TWO RURAL AND DIVISION 4.1 SPECIFIC TO USE.AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT ACTUALLY HAS A, ITS OWN NUMBER, A CASE NUMBER, WHICH IS, UH, C DPA, UH, 4 0 5 6 2 0 2 5.
UM, AND MAYBE ROB WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF MEMBER OF THE STAFF.
HAVING A FEW TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT WE'LL BE OH, OKAY.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE AND IF WE COULD MAYBE ZOOM IN.
SO BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE USE OF A SCHOOL FROM, UH, CURRENTLY IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN T TWO RURAL.
UM, THIS IS PROPOSAL TO CONDITIONALLY ALLOW IT IN T TWO RURAL.
UM, I GUESS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT, LET'S GO BACK AND DISCUSS THE FOUR OPTIONS ON THE USE TABLE.
UM, SO WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE IS ALLOWED IN A ZONING DISTRICT BY RIGHT.
A CONDITIONAL USE IS PERMITTED IN A ZONING DISTRICT, YET SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL STANDARDS, UM, OR CONDITIONS SPECIFIED FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, IF NONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE LISTED, THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, SO TODAY WE HAVE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT SEEKS TO CONDITIONALLY PERMIT SCHOOL, UH, THE USE OF SCHOOL EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.
THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS BY THE APPLICANT ARE AS FOLLOWS, A EITHER HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OR EXTEND PAVED ACCESS AS A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD.
UM, AND THEN B EITHER HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO OR EXTEND UTILITIES AS PART
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OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER SYSTEM.UM, SO TO ENSURE PROPER LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS PROPOSED, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, TO BE REPLACED WITH SCHOOL SITE SHALL UTILIZE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER LINES AND SHALL BE LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF EXISTING PUBLIC SEWER PLACED WITH A SCHOOL SITE REQUIRING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHALL ALSO PROVIDE SCHOOL ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLANS, INCLUDING PEAK HOUR, UH, MODELING BUS AND CAR RIDER VEHICLE SEPARATION DESIGN AND PM ARRIVAL AND PM DISMISSAL TIMES.
UM, IN CONCLUSION, COULD YOU, IT'S VERY SLOW TODAY.
IT'S VERY, UM, IN CONCLUSION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THOSE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
UM, WE SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT AS IT WOULD ELIMINATE CONFLICT WITH THE CDC BY RECTIFYING, UH, THREE CURRENT EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SCHOOL SITES, WHICH ARE OTEE ELEMENTARY, SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY AND WHALE BRANCH EARLY COLLEGE THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE TWO TWO RURAL DISTRICT.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, KRISTEN? I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS.
UH, WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IS THE CASE, IS THAT IT EITHER HAS TO BE A OR B.
IT COULD BE BOTH, BUT I THINK THE WAY THIS READS IS IT HAS, IT WOULD BE BOTH.
THERE ANY DRIVING IMPETUS BEHIND THIS OR WAS IT PRIMARILY JUST TO CLEAN UP THE CODE? SO WE DO, THIS WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO US BY THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD DISTRICT.
SO WHAT, HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU ANY PLANS GOING FORWARD OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? OR IS THIS JUST A WHAT IF TYPE OF THING? OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? AH, AWESOME.
SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE TWO
AND SO THEY APPROACH US ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UM, FOR ONE SPECIFIC SITE, WHICH I COULD LET THEM SPEAK TO.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME PROVISION IN THE CODE TO ALLOW SCHOOLS IN RURAL? AND WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS WOULD WE WANNA PUT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A VERY INTENSE LAND IN REMOTE PARTS OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PR TO SERVE THEM.
SO IN A, IN ADDITION, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS VERY CLEARLY THAT WE DON'T PROMOTE EXTENDING SEWER IN RURAL AREAS.
SO IF A SCHOOL SITE IS GOING TO BE IN A PROPERTIES IN RURAL, IT NEEDS TO BE ONE IS THAT THERE'S SOME RURALLY ZONED LAND, UH, IN AND AROUND LAUREL BAY, THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
THAT'S WHERE SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY IS LOCATED.
AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC SEWER AVAILABLE IN, NOT CONSISTENTLY IN EVERY STREET, BUT THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY WHERE PUBLIC SEWER IS AVAILABLE.
THE, UM, EARLY BRANCH, UH, OR, OR THE BRANCH EARLY BRANCH IN HAMPTON COUNTY,
AND THEN SEVERAL YEARS LAND THAT IS ZONE,
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I HAVE A MICROPHONE OVER THERE, I COULD JUST KINDA SIT DOWNBUT ANOTHER AREA OF OUR COUNTY IS WARNERS COMMUNITY ON ST.
HELEN ISLAND BECAUSE WE HAVE SEWER THAT, UM, SERVES DA TA AND THEN GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UM, TO ST.
HELENA ISLAND WHERE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE RURAL SITES THAT ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF SEWER.
AND THEN THE, UM, FOURTH AREAS, THERE ARE AREAS ALONG THE ONE 70 CORRIDOR THAT ARE STILL THEN RURAL AND THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE IN PARTS OF THOSE AREAS THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT THE IMPACT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE
HELEN ISLAND AWAY FROM THE, THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, THE CORNERS COMMUNITY, THOSE AREAS DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER THAT'S, UH, AS SEWER IS EXTENDED THAT WILL AUTOMATIC ELIGIBLE PROVIDED IT'S WITHIN THE 500 FEET, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THE WELL SEWER BEING EXTENDED IN RURAL, UM, IS GR YOU KNOW, OUR CONFERENCE OF PLAN IS VERY CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT EXCEPT FOR CASES OF WHERE YOU HAVE A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, THE, THE WHALE BRANCH RIVER THAT SEPARATES PORT ISLAND FROM THE SHELDON AREA, UM, WE DON'T HAVE SEWER JUMPING OVER THE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE.
AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD LIMIT A SCHOOL BEING ABLE TO SITE OVER INTO SHELDON AREA.
THERE ARE AREAS NOW THAT DO NOT HAVE SEWER THAT COULD IN THE FUTURE STRICTLY BY SEWER EXPANSION IN, IN AREAS UNLIKE JUMPING A RIVER.
YEAH, THE ST AND THEN THEY CHANGED AND THEN THE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE OVERFLOWED.
I AND, AND I JUST LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT BEAUFORT COUNTY, THE MEDIAN AGE OF, OF, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IS APPROXIMATELY 48 YEARS OF, OF AGE AND ALMOST 30% OF IT IS 65 OR OLDER.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO EXPAND AND MOVE FORWARD, THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF FAMILIES MOVING HERE, THE WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES SQUARED AWAY.
BUT I DON'T WANT A MISTAKE TO WHERE IF THERE IS A COMMUNITY OR AN AREA THAT IS RURAL AREA.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING THESE FOLKS KNOW THERE'S A SCHOOL, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR LONG-TERM PLANS ARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, UH, WE'VE IDENTIFIED EXISTING SCHOOLS, BUT AS THE POPULATION GROWS, THE
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SCHOOL DISTRICT IS LOOKING TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES.THOSE AREN'T BEING PROPOSED FOR SCHOOLS IMMEDIATELY, BUT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LAND TO BUILD FUTURE SCHOOLS.
UM, AND A LOT OF THE LAND IS ZONED T TWO R CONSISTENT WITH THEIR OTHER SCHOOLS THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SCHOOL USES.
AND SO WE APPROACHED THE COUNTY ASKING THE POSSIBILITY, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO POSSIBLY REZONE DISTRICT START TO ACQUIRE OR PURSUE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UM, THE REZONING IS YOU WOULD UNINTENTIONALLY HIGHER DENSITY USES, UM, WHICH LED THE CONVERSATION TO, WELL THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING SCHOOLS IN PLACE UNDER T TWO R.
MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW SPECIFICALLY ONLY SCHOOLS AS
UM, AND ONE EXISTING PROPERTY THAT OWNS IS THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UM, PROPERTY IN FRONT OF OEE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CURRENTLY ZONED TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE IMMEDIATE PLANS TOO, BUT SHOULD, SHOULD THE NEED ARISE THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL THERE UNDER CURRENT ZONING, THEY CAN'T.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY ASK.
ADMINISTRATIVE AND GENERAL OFFICES THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE BEFORD COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM COULD BE
PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I LIVE IN, UM, THE PINKNEY COLONY AREA OF BLUFFTON.
UM, I DO LIVE IN A T TWO R ZONE.
THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT ME AT ALL.
SO IT'S NOT KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO ME BECAUSE MY PERSONAL RESIDENCE IS PROTECTED BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
HOWEVER, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE AT T TWO R AND IF I DIDN'T HAVE THAT, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT MEANS WITH THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL YOU COULD WAKE UP ONE DAY AND FIND THAT THERE'S A SCHOOL BEING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE RURAL.
UM, PARKS, WOODLAND, GRASSLAND TRAILS, OPEN SPACE.
THE T TWO RURAL ZONE IMPLEMENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OF PRESERVING THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO GOING THROUGH THE POINTS THAT THEY MADE,
STUDENTS MAINLY COME FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH HIGHER DENSITY ZONING.
THE CHANGES ONLY FARMS OUT THE SCHOOLS NEEDED TO RURAL AREAS.
IT WILL NOT PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER.
POINT TWO IS IN CONFLICT WITH PROVISIONS.
YES, IT'S, AS I JUST READ THAT ADDRESS.
COMMUNITY NEED THOUGH NOT AT THIS TIME, RURAL AREA REGIONS SPECIAL USE WAS REMOVED FROM THE CDC FOR THE VERY REASON THAT SCHOOLS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RURAL AREAS.
THE CDC CREATED WITH GREAT DEAL OF PUBLIC INPUT AND THEY ASKED FOR THEIR NOT TO BE SCHOOLS IN RURAL DISTRICTS.
IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ABILITY AMONG USES AND ENSURE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY? THE ARGUMENT THAT THE SCHOOLS NEED TO BE BROUGHT INTO CONFORMITY IS A NOT, NOT A GOOD REASON.
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BEAUFORT COUNTY, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT DON'T CONFORM TO CURRENT ZONING, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.NO, IT WOULD DEFINITELY INCREASE DEVELOPMENT IN, IS THAT MY TIMER? OH, CAN I GO? OKAY.
I THOUGHT WE COULD, AS HE SAID, CONDITIONS CHANGE, RELAX THINGS A BIT TONIGHT AND AS YOU ASK CONDITIONS CHANGE.
DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS TO MAKE? NO, I'M JUST HERE.
UM, MS. CRUTCHFIELD, DID YOU HAVE SOME OR UM, YOU, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK ON YOUR OWN? NO, I, I I THINK AGREED WITH HIM, HIS PRESENTATION.
UM, ONE OF THE TEXT CHANGES THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE CONSIDERED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
'CAUSE IT COULD BE A SPECIAL PURPOSE STAFF WHY THAT WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERED.
UM, WE DID TALK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, I AGREE THAT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF A SPECIAL USE IS IT DOES ADD A PUBLIC COMPONENT.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I, I CAN UNDERSTAND FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S POINT OF VIEW, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT PURCHASING FOR MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY HAD, THERE'S NO MECHANISM TO PURCHASE LAND TODAY AND GET A SPECIAL USE.
THE SPECIAL USE IS OBTAINED WHEN YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PROPERTY.
SO THEY MAY BUY A PROPERTY AND THEN IN 10 YEARS GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SIDES OF THAT.
BUT I THINK FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT LOOKING FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES, THERE IS A PROBLEM IN IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT LAND TO PURCHASE NOW THAT MAY NOT BE DEVELOPED FOR SCHOOL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I MEAN, THERE'S ONE ON SPRINGFIELD ROADS, YOU HAVE OTHER SITES THAT, THAT ARE JUST, UM, MAYBE FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR PLAN FOR FUTURE SCHOOLS NOW.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, CONSIDERED WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT.
THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TO KIND AS THINGS ARE EXP EXPAND.
I MEAN, CAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE SITES THEY'RE CONSIDERING NOW? AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL WHICH ONES YOU'RE THINKING OF PURCHASING NOW I'M JUST ASKING THIS.
THE SITES THAT YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON, THERE ARE, THAT ARE WHETHER YOU OWN THEM WELL, IF YOU OWN THEM, YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, JUST ARE NOWHERE IN THE FUTURE THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE AN INTEREST IN PUTTING A SCHOOL ON STRICTLY BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT BE NEAR UTILITIES PER SE.
BUT THE TWO PART QUESTION IS THE EXISTING SITES THAT YOU DO OWN NOW AND GIVE THIS LEVEL OR RECOMMEND THIS LEVEL
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OF, OF APPROVAL.AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, ROB, AS THEY'RE CONSIDERING PURCHASING AREAS TO DO IT AT THAT TIME AND MAKE THE PURCHASE CONTINGENT UPON, SIT ON IT THREE OR FIVE YEARS? I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME T TWO R THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE, NOT SUSCEPTIBLE, MORE LIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND THERE'S SOME THAT YOU JUST DON'T WANNA SAY NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA, 'CAUSE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND HAVING LIVED IN COMMUNITY WENT THROUGH THIS, I DEFINITELY CAN BE, UH, SYMPATHETIC TO BOTH SIDES.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE DO AN APPROVED THAT WAY AND HAVE IT CARRY FORWARD? I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAP AMENDMENT THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING, THEY WOULD COME TO THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
I THINK WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, HAVING SOME SITES IN MIND, BUT WANTING TO OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL ABOUT THEIR INTENT.
BUT IN DISCUSSING THIS, I FELT LIKE ONE PIECEMEAL APPROACH, HAVING ONE SITE SCRUTINIZED WHEN IT'S THEIR INTENTION TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY FOR FUTURE SCHOOL SITES.
AND I, I DEFINITELY INTEREST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME WITH MY ENGLISH LANGUAGE TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HIT IT TODAY AND COVER EVERYTHING FOR THE FUTURE.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY.
BUT IF YOU OWN, YOU CAN DO THE MAP AMENDMENT THAT, THAT ROB MENTIONED, RECOMMEND THAT FOR NOW AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME WHEN YOU'RE PURCHASING SOMETHING, MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON THAT AFTER ALL, IF SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THEIR PROPERTY.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M JUST THINKING UNLESS YOU'RE USING A LOT OF STRAW BUYERS, BUT I'M JUST THINKING THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH ENDS OF THIS WITHOUT JUST GIVING A BLANK OPEN SLATE.
AND PLEASE FORGIVE MY USE OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT EVERY MAP AMENDMENT IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF CONDITIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, SHANKLIN ELEMENTARY, I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK FROM THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT IS ONCE YOU REZONE A PROPERTY, THEN YOU ARE OPENING IT UP TO ALL THE USES THAT THAT DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW.
SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN MIND AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE OTHER MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THEM FROM SELLING IT AND THEN BECOMING DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RISK IN BOTH APPROACHES.
I'LL, I'LL JUST, BUT I'M NOT TALK, OKAY, THERE WERE TWO OF ME HERE FOR A MOMENT.
YOU COULDN'T JUST PUT THE C INTO SOME OF THE TWO TWO TO SOME OF THE T TWO R'S.
I MEAN IT'S CONDITIONAL THAT THESE OTHER EXISTENCE AND JUST SAY, THIS WILL APPLY TO THIS.
SO FOR ONE THING, WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT, IN ORDER TO DISTINGUISH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSISTENT REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO T TWO RULE, THAT'S WHY HAVING IT AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND HAVING ABOUT ACCESS TO PUBLIC SEWER, THAT'S ONE LIMITING FACTOR.
SO THAT YOU COULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS
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THAT ARE GOING INTO RURAL BASED ON WHERE THE AVAILABILITY OF SEWER IS.YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A SMALL SUBSET OF LAND THAT IS ZONE T TWO RURAL.
SO THAT IN A WAY, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS A MEANS OF ACCOMPLISHING, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, OF DOING.
UH, YES, BUT, AND I DON'T, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO KNOW IF THAT COULD EXIST HERE, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE IT'LL BE A DETRIMENT IF, IF IT'S ALL, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN LIVING AROUND IT AND THEY JUST HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE, NOT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, A HIGH SCHOOL WHERE KIDS CAN DRIVE CARS IN AND OUT AND BUSES COMING AND OUT.
AND YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERSON ON THE WALKER THAT'S GOING ACROSS THE STREET WHEN THIS IS HAPPENING.
UM, THERE ARE TWO SIDES AS WE ACKNOWLEDGE, I'M, LET'S, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING WITHOUT MAKING IT INOPERABLE? FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE? I'M ASKING, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
ONE UMBRELLA IS FINE, DIVISION GOING FORWARD AS FLUID AS THE DYNAMICS OF THIS COUNTY ARE TAKING MONTHLY.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A VERY, UM, I MEAN WE'RE ISSUES NEAR US RIGHT NOW.
THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE 20 YEARS AGO ARE IMPACTING US NOW.
THIS IS UNFAVORABLE, BUT I KIND OF ALMOST FEEL THAT, WELL, WE WANT TO PUT A SCHOOL IN A RURAL AREA, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE YET WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND JUST LIKE THIS WOMAN BACK HERE WAS SAYING, UH, I'VE LIVED HERE FOREVER AND NEXT THING I KNOW I'M HEARING SCHOOL BELLS GOING OFF AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, 12 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, CARS RUNNING IN AND OUT.
I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I, I, I WANT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S IN PLACE.
I, ME HAVING THE FOR USE S RATHER THAN C UM, IS, IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT ASPECT.
I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY PRETTY MUCH IT.
AND I'VE PUSHED THAT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IF THAT CHANGED TO MY MIND TONIGHT, UM, I THINK IT DID.
CAN WE MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH TO SEE IF IT CAN BE DONE UNDER A SPECIAL USE AND DONE WITH PUBLIC INPUT CASE BY CASE, I MEAN THE WAY OUR ORDER WRITTEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS OBTAINED WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A PROPERTY, WHEN YOU KNOW IF THE PLANE COMMISSION WANTED THE SPECIAL AS OPPOSED TO CONDITIONAL.
THAT'S A PREROGATIVE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I DON'T LIKE THE SPECIAL USE BECAUSE IF A SCHOOL DISTRICT'S GOING TO ACQUIRE A PROPERTY, I THINK THEY SHOULD KNOW WHETHER OR NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, BUT WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD WHEN THEY ACQUIRE THE
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PROPERTY.UM, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT PURCHASING PROPERTY UP FRONT AND JUST FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES, I WAS ON A SCHOOL BOARD YEARS AGO, SO I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF SCHOOLS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC.
UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS THING AS PRESENTED.
IF WE COULD GO BACK AND EXPLORE STAFF FURTHER, IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO PUT THAT CONDITIONAL USE ON A T TWO R AS IT'S AS IS NEEDED AS A CIRCUMSTANCE ARISES AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT STARTS LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, UM, I COULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE AT LEAST THAT GIVES THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND SAY, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE MAKE IT WANTS THIS PROPERTY.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE A SCHOOL THERE MAY BE 10 OR 15 YEARS OUT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED, WE UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE RIGHT THERE.
WELL THAT GIVES SOMETHING LIKE THE SPECIAL USE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY KNOW TODAY WE'RE GONNA DEFINITELY BUILD A SCHOOL, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IS PRESENTLY PRESENTED.
COMMUNITY FROM THE BOARD LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, AND IT'S VERY VALID CONCERNS, UM, PROPOSE THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS WITH THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED, BUT CONDITIONS MAYBE INCREASED 50 FOOT UNDISTURBED WOOD, IT BUFFERS FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PAVED ROAD THAT FURTHER MINIMIZES, UM, ANY RURAL AREAS THAT ARE DIRT ROADS OR NOT NEAR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, MORE RURAL THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER.
UM, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR INCREASED BUFFERS FOR ANY CONCERNS THAT EXISTING RESIDENTS IS THAT HAVE ALREADY MOVED IN NEXT TO AN ADJACENT T TWO RURAL, UH, ADDITIONAL 50 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, LOVE FOR THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
MAY, I'M NOT TRYING TO CLOSE, BUT THIS YOUNG LADY BACK HERE EXPRESSED HER CONCERN AND TODAY YOU'VE HEARD THAT RESPON, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING MORE CECE THAT YOU'D BE MORE RECEPTIVE TO PLEASE? I CAN'T GET MY WORDS OUT.
I MEAN, 50 FOOT, YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING.
UM, THAT'S LIKE FROM THERE TO THERE.
AND I ACTUALLY OWN A FARM, SO I OPERATE A FARM AND IF THERE WAS A SCHOOL THAT JUST POPPED UP NEXT TO MY FARM, THAT WOULD BE CRAZY.
UM, AND IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO, BUT JUST SUPPOSE SUFFICIENT.
AND IF YOU HAD A HOUSE 50 FEET, I DON'T THINK SO.
IF YOU HAD HORSES, LIVESTOCK, 50 FEET, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE BOTH UNSAFE FOR CHILDREN AND UNSAFE FOR ANIMALS TO BE IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY.
MOST OF OUR TR TWO, T TWO R IS IN PROBABLY RESIDENTIAL, EITHER HOBBY FARMS OR JUST BIG ESTATES OR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
JUST LARGE TRACKS OF PROPERTY AT THIS POINT STILL, BUT STILL 50 FOOT MIGHT BE OKAY.
WHAT IS NEXT TO THE SCHOOL ANYWAY? MAYBE A THOUSAND FEET, MAYBE
I WAS A CONSULTANT AND THEN CAME HERE.
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COUNTY, AND I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I WON'T SAY THAT WE WEREN'T GUILTY AT ONE TIME OF PURCHASING, YOU KNOW, SOME LAND.AND IT SEEMED FAR AWAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT.
SO OUR PHILOSOPHY IS BUILD A, A SCHOOL WHERE THE KIDS ARE OR WHERE YOU ARE ALREADY APPROVED.
SO WITH LIMITED LARGE TRACKS OUT THERE, I WOULD SAY, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF BEAUFORT COUNTY, SOMEWHERE OUT ON A RURAL FARM, IT'S NOT GROWING RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY TO YOU ALL.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO MONEY TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
SO EVEN IF WE DO PURCHASE SOME LAND, AGAIN, IT'S LAND BANKING FOR US.
THAT'S BEEN A GOAL OF OURS FOR, FOR MANY YEARS SINCE, YES, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IS TO, TO BUY ENOUGH TRACKS OF LAND, STRATEGICALLY PLACE THINGS WHEN WE NEED IT.
WE DO HAVE RURAL LAND OUT THERE AT SPRINGFIELD ROAD RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE NO PLANS TO BUILD ANYTHING THERE BECAUSE THE GROWTH HAS THERE BECAUSE WE PUT IN SOME GROWTH BOUNDARIES THAT SORT OF STOPPED THAT IN THE PAST AND WE HAD ALREADY PURCHASED THAT LAND.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN, UH, CAN SAY TO YOU ALL.
BUT OUR, OUR CONCERN IS, COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH ACRE BUILDING SCHOOL? IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH, MY QUESTION KIND OF SCHOOL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO BUILD.
SO USUALLY WHAT, 25, 20 25 ACRES ISH FOR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT'S BUILDABLE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SWAMP ON MIDDLE.
WE NEED ABOUT, UH, 35, 40 ACRES IN A HIGH SCHOOL, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 70 ACRES TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL THE FIELDS ON BUILDABLE TRACKS, DON'T YOU THINK? YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER LAND UNDER 50.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ANYTHING THAT SMALL LIKE AN EARLY CHILDHOOD.
WHAT IS THE ONE WE JUST PURCHASED? GIVE ME THESE NUMBERS OR YOU MAY NOT HAVE 'EM READY, AVAILABLE, READILY AVAILABLE.
I CAN'T TALK THE, THE PROPERTY THAT YOU BOUGHT DOWN ON SPRINGFIELD, UH, HOW LONG AGO? LIKE A WAG? THAT'S A WILD, I WOULD SAY THE MID TWO THOUSANDS.
BUT WILL BE IN AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT IT'S GONE UP.
SO IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN AND BUY THAT FROM THE SCHOOL COUNTY AT A, OR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, RIGHT? WE CHOSE SELL IT MM-HMM
OUR RULES, WE'RE SELLING PROPERTY TO THAT WERE, UH, CHARTER SCHOOLS.
UM, AND THEN IF NOBODY NEEDS THAT, THEN IT CAN GO ON THE MARKET BY THAT SET OF RULES TOO, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY HAVE A SET OF RULES FOR SITING WHAT, WHEN WE GO TO PURCHASE A SITE THAT IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AS WELL.
I GET THAT TO GIVE, AND I HATE USE TERM BLANKET CLEARANCE OF T TWO R THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WITH CONDITIONAL PERMITS.
I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER WAY TO MAYBE GO ABOUT THIS, THAT IF THE, IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS GOING TO
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BUY LANDS UNDER THE RE RESTRICTION YEARS GOES BY AND WE SEE THE GROWTH INSTEAD OF WHERE WE BE WITH OUR CRYSTAL BALL, IT'S NOT, IT'S 10 MILES AWAY, 20 MILES AWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.WELL NOW WE'VE GOT A CHUNK OF LAND, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? WELL NOW YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE HOOPS, LIKE YOU SAID, IF A CHARTER SCHOOL WANTED TO COME OR IF NOT, IT COULD BE TO PUT STATE SIZE LOTS OR WHATEVER COULD BE IN THAT TIME AT T TWO R, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IF A DEVELOPER WANTED TO COME IN AND CHANGE THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE, AND WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT.
BUT I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GUARDRAILS IN PLACE TO PROTECT, LIKE THIS YOUNG LADY BACK HERE HAD MENTIONED FROM SCHOOLS COMING IN.
SHE'S LIKE, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? GOTTA LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS.
WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE, FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING HERE TOO.
THE OTHER MEASURES WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE HERE SAID, YOU CAN'T, BUT WE GOTTA, EVERYTHING IS FLUID.
WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THINGS CHANGE AND THINGS ARE GONNA FIT ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO I'M ALMOST IN WITH GENE HERE.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS AFFECTS OUR CURRENT SCHOOLS THAT ARE ZONE CERTAIN HOOPS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN WITH PUBLIC INPUT.
IT'S MY THOUGHT WHOEVER IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO START THE MOTION GOING.
UM, REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN IN, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY, COUNTY THAT YOU AGREE, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE.
OOPS, JOHN COMING IN WEAK AND BROKEN.
I, ALRIGHT JOHN, DO YOU WANNA TRY AGAIN A LITTLE BIT? COMMENT PORTION,
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DISCUSS WITH, CAN, CAN WE ASK IF JOHN COULD CALL IN? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.COULD, COULD YOU JUST CALL IN MICRO A PHONE INSTEAD OF DOING THIS DICK DANCE? PARDON MY FRENCH.
USUALLY ZOOM HAS A CALL-IN NUMBER ALSO.
SO IF HE CALLED IN AND I PUT HIM ON SPEAKER PHONE AND HELD IT UP TO THE MIC.
OH, FROM YOUR PHONE MAYBE? YEAH.
IS THAT BETTER? YES, YES, YES, YES.
UM, I GUESS I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE WAS, UM, IF, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT APPROVE THIS, HOW HOW LONG WOULD HAVE TO WAIT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK BEFORE WITH THIS ISSUE? SO IF, UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THEN THERE'S A YEAR THAT A SIMILAR APPLICATION FORWARD.
SO NO, I I'M JUST ANSWERING JOHN'S QUESTION.
AND THEN I GUESS THE SECOND QUESTION WAS WHETHER WE FELT THAT, UM, IF IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER A DEFERRAL TO THINK IN DETAIL ABOUT WHAT POTENTIAL, UM, CONDITIONS MIGHT MAKE THIS MORE PALATABLE.
MIGHT MAKE THIS MORE PALATABLE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD ASK FOR A 30 DAY COMMISSION A RECOMMENDATION.
SO YEAH, FOR A 30 DAY, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL
THAT'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD.
NO, NO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, WE HAVE THE CHANCE TO AT LEAST THINK ABOUT THIS AND WHAT THEY MAY RESULT IN.
CALL ME BACK IF YOU GOT MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, CAN WE DO THE SAME THING, UM, WITH GLEN? GLEN IF YOU GOT A QUESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, ROB.
IF WE'VE VOTE DOWN OR DELAY, VOTE DOWN.
DOES THIS HAPPEN AND POSTPONE THE IONS AVAILABLE? ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MAYBE THEY SUPPORT THE GENERAL BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS LIKE A SPECIAL USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND DELAYING FOR A MONTH BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT STAFF MAYBE SITTING DOWN WITH THE SCHOOL
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DISTRICT COULD CONCERNS OR, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL.SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THIS AUTOMATICALLY, BECAUSE THEY INITIATED AN AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION SO IT AUTOMATICALLY, THEY COULD DEFER.
THEY WOULD LIKE THREE MONTHS TO THINK THIS THROUGH.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE OPTIONS.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, UM, D DELAYING FOR A MONTH TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL CONCERNS OR DENIAL.
DISTRICT COULD WITHDRAW TONIGHT TONIGHT AND COME BACK THREE MONTHS FROM NOW AS AN EXAMPLE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPTION.
UM, I THINK THERE, THERE COULD PROBABLY BE BE MORE WORK TO BE DONE.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE THEN THERE'S GONNA BE OUTLIERS WITH SHANKLIN AND WHALE BRANCH MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MAKE OUR BASE IS COVERED.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OPTIONS I THINK FOR PUBLIC INPUT THAT IF THERE IS GONNA BE A SCHOOL BUILT ON AN AREA THAT'S GOING TO, WHETHER IT'S 50 FOOT, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER, THAT WE OKAY.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A SPECIAL USE OPTION.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT'S WHAT THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS RECOMMENDING.
A SPECIAL USE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS SHORT OF THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ITS CURRENT FORM AS A TEXT AMENDMENT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, ARE AVAILABLE.
BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING, BASICALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT IF YOU SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING IT APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
IT'S THE SPECIAL USE THAT
SO I JUST WANT KNOW THE, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE AN
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT WITH AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PRESENT THIS IN A MONTH'S TIME, UH, TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY NEED TO EITHER DECIDE AND I THINK STAFF AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD WORK TOGETHER.
AND IF IT TAKES MORE, THAT'S WHY I WAS LEADING TO THE THING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD WITHDRAW OR POSTPONE THEIR OWN REQUEST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
'CAUSE ONE MONTH, SO AT LEAST IT'S NOT FEBRUARY WE, I, MY, I MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER FOR 30 DAYS TO, TO GET MORE INFORMATION UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
AND YOU BASE THAT ON, SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND YOUR POINT WAS NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
AND I THINK EVEN MONEY TO BUY TO BUILD A SCHOOL AT THE MOMENT.
SO IT ADDRESSES A COMMUNITY NEED PERHAPS,
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BUT I THINK WE WERE AGREED NOT AT THIS TIME.SO IF WE GO FOR BE THAT TO SEE IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS A COMMUNITY NEED AND NUMBER THREE, AND THEN, UM, RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, I THINK THE POINT OF, AT THIS TIME, IT, UH, DOES NOT RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN GOING FORWARD.
YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT SOMEBODY HAS BROUGHT FORWARD BUT NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECOND.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF DENNIS? OH, I CAN'T SEE THE CAN YOU? YEAH, I DON'T SEE, UH, SO I DUNNO HOW WE DO THIS GOING FORWARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, MAYBE WE GET A, UM, A A WE'LL SEE, SEE
UM, BECAUSE I THINK A ONE MONTH IS RIDICULOUS AND I THINK IT'S BOTH RAISING THEIR, YOU MIGHT WANNA REPEAT THE MOTION.