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          CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY. 
          GET THIS STARTED. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          IT'S GOOD TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE FROM, FROM OUR AREA IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          UM, LET ME DO, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. 
          DO WE DO A ROLL CALL TO KNOW WHO'S HERE OR NOT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. 
          WE'LL DOCUMENT. 
          YOU'LL DO IT IN THE NINE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE CAN CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, WILL YOU? GAVEL GAVEL . 
          A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 
          AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE. 
          WITH LIBERTY. 
          LIBERTY, JUSTICE. 
          ALL. 
          ALL LIBERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR FOIA NOTIFICATION, UM, THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED AND DISTRIBUTED AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. 
          AND NEXT WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE AGENDA. 
          APPROVAL IS WRITTEN. 
          IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          THOSE OPPOSED? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF CHANGES, UM, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST SENT OUT, WHICH THEY WERE INCLUDED. 
          UM, THEY WERE SENT OUT THIS MORNING. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO NO APPROVAL? THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CAN THEY COME OUT A DAY BEFORE THE, CAN THEY COME OUT AT A TIME PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE MEETING? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THEY CAME OUT THIS MORNING, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THAT. 
          WE WILL ABSOLUTELY WORK ON THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BY THE END OF THIS WE WILL HAVE IT RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          THOSE OPPOSED ABSTAIN. 
          AND WE HAD, SINCE I WAS HERE, I DID NOT READ IT. 
          SO WE HAD THREE. 
          I WAS NOT HERE. 
          THREE ABSTAIN. 
          THREE ABSTAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE DO PUT PUBLIC COMMENT IN MOST PUBLICLY RUN MEETINGS, THERE ARE SOME RULES WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WILL LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO AGENDA ITEMS ONLY AND SPEAK NO LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES. 
          SPEAKERS WILL ADDRESS THE BODY IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER, APPROPRIATE TO THE DECORUM OF THE MEETING, REFRAINING FROM THE USE OF PROFANE, ABUSIVE, OR OBSCENE LANGUAGE. 
          I THINK AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SO I AM GONNA STAY VERY TIGHT ON THE THREE MINUTES. 
          UM, DO THEY ASK FOR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN THEY DO IT? WE JUST ASK THAT THEY STATE THEIR NAME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND YOU WERE, AND YOU'LL GO UP HERE TO THE PODIUM AND THERE'S A THREE MINUTE TIMER UP ON THE, AND THERE'S A THREE MINUTE TIMER FOR THE SPEAKER TO SEE. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST WE HAVE STU RODMAN. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU. 
          MR. COMMISSIONER. 
          HONORABLE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK PRIMARILY ORIENTED TOWARD HILTON HEAD, BUT IT REALLY DOES EXTEND FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. 
          'CAUSE IT RELATES TO THE BRIDGES. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A, I THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO WE GET OUR WORKERS TO THE WORKPLACE AND HOME SAFELY? AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THE BRIDGE CORRIDOR PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED AND THE BRIDGES ARE FAILING. 
          THE BRIDGES ARE COMING TO THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE. 
          UM, SHUTDOWN POSSIBILITIES ARE REAL. 
          YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC EVENT OR WHETHER DOT WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, FIND THEM TO BE DEFICIENT AND HAVE TO WAIT, RESTRICT THEM. 
          WE'RE ONLY PLANNING TO BUILD AN EASTBOUND BRIDGE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          AND THERE'S NO FUNDING PLANNED FOR A WESTBOUND BRIDGE OR PLANS TO BUILD IT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE A CALL TO ACTION, IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND I'M IN THE YELLOW AS, AS YOU'RE FOLLOWING ME. 
          UM, MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT THE REFERENDUM IS UNLIKELY TO PASS WITHOUT A BRIDGE SOLUTION. 
          YOU KNOW, HILTON HEAD IS IMPORTANT. 
          REFERENDUMS DON'T PASS WITHOUT HILTON HEAD. 
          AND AS A WORKFORCE MATTER, IT IS A COUNTY-WIDE ISSUE. 
          SO I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE TO RISE UP AND SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          IT. 
          A, A SOLUTION TO CONSIDER THE EASTBOUND BRIDGE, THE WAY IT'S BEING PLANNED IS GONNA BE WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE FOUR LANES SUCH THAT WHEN THE WESTBOUND BRIDGE, IF IT'S EVER BUILT, WILL BE A LARGE, WIDE ENOUGH TO TAKE TWO LANES IN THE EAST, TWO IN THE WEST. 
          SO WHY NOT ADD TWO ADDITIONAL 
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12 FOOT LANES TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER. 
          THE SIX LANES WOULD BE A PRUDENT THING TO DO FOR A WHOLE, WHOLE BUNCH OF REGIONS. 
          IF WE DID THAT, THEN WE WOULD USE THE OLD BRIDGES TO GET TO PINKNEY. 
          AND WE COULD ALSO GO SO FAR AS TO SALVAGE PART OF THE SUPER STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO, UM, PUT TOGETHER THE PATHWAY TO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT, WHICH WOULD COST 50, 60 MILLION TO PUT ON THE MAIN BRIDGE. 
          UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED, THE GROWTH WAS, IT WAS UP SLIGHTLY. 
          BUT IF YOU PROJECTED THAT OVER 50 YEARS, THAT TOOK US TO NEEDING A 40 OR 50% INCREASE IN CAPACITY. 
          IF YOU LOOK BACK THE LAST SIX YEARS SINCE THE PROJECT STARTED, THE, UM, I STARTED A LITTLE BIT LATE. 
          SO GIMME AN EXTRA MINUTE. 
          MANAM CHAIR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          30 SECONDS MAYBE. 
          UM, THE, UH, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN FLAT FOR THE LAST, SO WE REALLY ARE AT BUILD OUT ON THE ISLAND. 
          AND THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN FLAT, ABSOLUTELY FLAT FOR THE LAST, IN FACT, THE PEAK IS ACTUALLY DECLINING FROM WHAT IT WAS BACK SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO. 
          UM, YOU HAD SOME LANES, THERE'S SOME COST THAT GOES WITH IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK IT ELIMINATES THE INTERMEDIATE INTERSECTION THAT WOULD CURRENTLY, UM, BE PLANNED. 
          TRY TRY TO TIE IT UP, MR. RODNEY. 
          I WILL. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S AFFORDABLE IN, IN THE REFERENDUM AND THE VALUE PROPOSITION IS YOU DO, YOU SPEND SOME EXTRA MONEY, MAYBE 50 MILLION IN ORDER TO AVOID 500 MILLION DOWNSTREAM TO BUILD THE WESTBOUND BRIDGE. 
          PLUS YOU GET THE SAFETY AND YOU GET THE, UM, REDUCED CONGESTION, WHICH WERE THE ORIGINAL OBJECTIVES OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          PLUS IT'S EASIER TO BUILD YOU. 
          SURE. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE MADAM CHAIR THAT THE ENGINEERS, UH, COULD COME BACK FAIRLY QUICKLY AND MAKE AN EVALUATION ON. 
          ITS ON ITS FEASIBILITY. 
          UM, THANK, THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I ACTUALLY JUST ONE LAST COMMENT. 
          I WOULD SAY, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT ADDING THE WIDTH AND YOU ELIMINATE THE INTERSECTION, AND MR. COMMISSIONER, AS YOU WOULD KNOW, PUTTING UH, AN INTERSECTION IN THE MIDDLE OF A BRIDGE, IT'S KIND OF EXPENSIVE. 
          GOT, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON. 
          SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, BUT THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          AND ALL OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON A LIST OF ALL OF, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO, TO VET AND LOOK AT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A FORM. 
          WHERE'S BRIAN? OH, THERE'S BRIAN. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A FORM IF YOU'RE JUST DON'T WANNA SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU WANNA FILL OUT A FORM ON A ITEM THAT WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO. 
          WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE PROJECT, PROJECT RECOMMENDATION PROJECT. 
          TALK ABOUT IT. 
          PROJECT RECOMMENDATION. 
          HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE'LL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          AND YOU CAN ALSO WRITE IT ON THERE. 
          YOU CAN GET WITH YOUR COUNTERPART IN YOUR DISTRICT AND TALK TO THEM, UM, OR SPEAK A PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND WE WILL KEEP THIS ON THE LIST. 
          SO I DO WANNA TELL THE REMAINING THAT RAY PELINI, AND IF YOU COULD SAY YOUR NAME SO I PRONOUNCED IT RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          FOR THOSE KEEPING MINUTES, UH, RAY CHIPI CHIPI. 
          YES. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRWOMAN SKA AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS. 
          UH, ONE OF 'EM IS THE FACT THAT $55 MILLION WAS EARMARKED IN THE 2024 REFERENDUM FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED AS YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN 2015, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION PRODUCED THE COMPLETE TREATS POLICY. 
          THAT POLICY WAS ADOPTED ALSO BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA IN FEBRUARY OF 2021. 
          SO FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ PART OF THAT POLICY TO YOU. 
          I'LL BE QUICK. 
          THAT POLICY REQUIRES THE SOUTH CAROLINA DOT TO WORK WITH THE STATE'S REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PARTNERS AND REGIONAL TRANSIT PROVIDERS TO IDENTIFY AND INCLUDE WALKING, BICYCLING, AND TRANSIT NEEDS. 
          AS PART OF THEIR REGIONAL VISIONING PLANS. 
          THE AGENCY WILL THEN TAILOR THESE PLANS TO THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF LOCALES ACROSS THE STATE, SERVING AS A FOUNDATION FOR HIGHWAY PLANNING AND DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE, AND DAILY OPERATIONS. 
          SO AS YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADHERE TO THIS SOUTH CAROLINA AND FEDERAL POLICY FOR COMPLETE STREETS AND INCLUDE THE $55 MILLION THAT WAS EARMARKED IN 2024 AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 
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TAX IN 2026. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, DAVID KIMBALL. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN SALKA AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          I'M DAVE KIMBALL FROM SUN CITY. 
          UM, TODAY I'M SUGGESTING THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER ADDING $15 MILLION TO THE REFERENDUM TO FUND THE EXPENSE OF GAINING EASEMENTS ALONG HIGHWAY ONE 70 FROM BOUNDARY STREET DOWN TO 2 78. 
          UH, TO PREPARE THE, UH, THIS SEGMENT OF ONE 70 FOR THE FUTURE BUILDING OF WHAT WE CALL A SPINE ROUTE, WHICH WAS, UH, THE MAJOR BICYCLE PATHWAY PEDESTRIAN THAT WAS, UM, PUT IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY CONNECTS PLAN. 
          AND THAT WAS PASSED BY ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN 2021. 
          IT ALSO MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF PLAN 2050, WHICH IS THE S-C-D-O-T STATE PLAN FOR THE NEXT 40 OR 50 YEARS. 
          BECAUSE THIS IS, HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE STATE TRAILS PLAN. 
          IT'S ONE OF ONLY ABOUT 10 PATHWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT WAY. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE S-E-D-O-T WILL BE FOCUSING SOME EFFORT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          IT'S ALSO A SEGMENT OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY THAT'S BEING BUILT FROM MAINE TO KEY WEST. 
          AND IT WOULD HOOK UP TO THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL AND THEN COME DOWN ONE 70 AND THEN WORK ITS WAY OVER TO, UM, HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH OF HARDY AND THEN ON DOWN TO SAVANNAH. 
          SO THE DOT IS TRYING TO DO THIS THAT APPLIED FOR A, UH, AN AD, UH, NOT AN AD, UH, A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY COMMISSION LAST SUMMER OR LAST WINTER TO START ON THIS PHASE OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, BUILDING. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS BEEN NO INFORMATION AS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS GRANTED, BUT IT WAS FOR ENGINEERING STUDIES FOR THE WHOLE STATE, STARTING NORTH OF MYRTLE BEACH AND GOING CLEAR DOWN TO SAVANNAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. KIMBALL. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. 
          UM, JUST A QUICK RESPONSE. 
          WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UH, THE DOT COME FOR PRESENTATION FOR US SOMETIME DURING THIS PERIOD. 
          SO IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO TAKE NOTES OF THINGS LIKE THIS, WE CAN ASK AND DO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT. 
          UM, NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED. 
          THAT TWO WAS SENT OUT THIS MORNING. 
          UM, BUT Y'ALL DO HAVE, UH, KIND OF THE CONSENSUS WAS TO HAVE A HYBRID. 
          ONE WAS TOO SHORT, ONE WAS TOO LONG. 
          SO, UM, WE ADJUSTED IT A LITTLE BIT FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER TO GIVE EACH MUNICIPALITY THEIR OWN DAY TO DO PRESENTATIONS RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, WE HEARD IT WAS A LITTLE TOO LATE THE EVENING, SO LISTENING TO ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. 
          UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARTICIPATION. 
          IT WOULD BE A MIRACLE IF WE DID AND IT'D BE GREAT. 
          BUT I KNOW WE ALL WORK AND HAVE OTHER COMMITMENTS, UM, DURING THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. 
          SO IF Y'ALL HAVE IT, LOOK IT OVER. 
          WE CAN HAVE COMMENTS, BUT REALLY IT'S MORE OF A VOTE IF YOU ACCEPT THIS. 
          UM, SO WE CAN GET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THIS IS THE OPTION ONE A YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          WE CHANGED IT TO ONE A SINCE WE HAD OPTION ONE AND TWO. 
          SO THERE'S ONE A. 
          UM, WE WILL MEET, UM, WE'RE HERE TODAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, AND THEN WE WILL GO TO PORT ROYAL, UM, TOWN HALL, THEN WE'LL GO TO BLUFFTON AT THE NEW RIVERSIDE BARN. 
          HILTON HEAD'S GONNA GIVE US A LOCATION. 
          UH, BEAUFORT IS CITY HALL AND THEN WE'LL GO SOUTH AND NORTH TWO TIMES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A MUR WORKING MEETING MOST LIKELY HERE. 
          AND THEN OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION MOST LIKELY BE HERE. 
          ANY COMMENT IF NOT ALL OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE SCHEDULE. 
          MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE SECOND QUESTION? ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. 
          MR. JONES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES, UM, FOR THE LAST, UH, REFERENDUM, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC IS NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS GOING ON WHEN IT WAS GOING ON. 
          HAVING THE, THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE THE MEETINGS EARLY, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME TIME THE MEETINGS AT A LATER POINT WHERE WORKING FOLKS CAN BE ABLE TO ATTEND AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. 
          ALSO, IF NOT, I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING HAVE THE SAME COLD SPIT IN THE FACE THAT WE HAD WITH THE LAST REFERENDUM WHERE FOLKS, ONE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND TWO, FEEL 
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THAT THEY WOULD DISENFRANCHISE AUNTS COMMENTS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? UM, I'LL MAKE, WOULD, WOULD YOU PROPOSE MOVING AT LEAST TWO OF THE MEETINGS TO EVENING? YES. 
          YES. 
          AT LEAST I'D BE, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE DATES, YEAH, WE, I'LL LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE. 
          I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT THE, THE MUNIS HAVE ALREADY SEPARATE SET ASIDE. 
          SO THOSE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO STAY ONE TO THREE. 
          UM, THE OTHER MEETINGS WOULD BE WORKING COMMUNITY MEETING APRIL 1ST, WORKING COMMUNITY. 
          MAYBE THOSE TWO WOULD BE LATER. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A WORKING COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          AND THEY WOULD BE NORTH OR SOUTH OF THE BROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A FIRST AND SECOND. 
          UM, WE WERE FIVE TO SEVEN I THINK. 
          UM, OR 5 30, 5 30 TO SEVEN WAS OUR FIRST MEETING. 
          IF WE DID 2, 5 30 TO SEVEN OR FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE DOING TWO HOUR MEETINGS, WE COULD DO IT ON THOSE TWO WORKING COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          IF, IF Y'ALL VOTE ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          MR. REEVES? UH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          AND, AND HAVE, HAVE ONE MEETING SOUTH OF BROAD AND THEN ANOTHER MEETING NORTH OF BROAD. 
          UH, SO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GET TO A MEETING AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THAT MIGHT HELP. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE THE TIMES FOR APRIL 1ST AND APRIL 22ND FROM FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. 
          SO MOVE THERE SECOND. 
          I'M SECOND WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HANDS THEN WE CAN GO TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          SO TO ACCEPT ES UM, ESTIMATED SCHEDULE, OPTION ONE A, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          SO WE HAVE A THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER. 
          SO APRIL 1ST. 
          SO APRIL 1ST IS FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30 TO BE DETERMINED. 
          LOCATION. 
          APRIL 22ND IS FIVE 30 TO SEVEN 30. 
          LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED. 
          OKAY, WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE OUR DATES. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, MR. JONES. 
          OKAY, NEXT IS BEAUFORT COUNTY OVERVIEW OF PROJECTS. 
          BRIAN, FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WERE GONNA SEE, UM, LOW COG, BUT WE AREN'T. 
          BUT HE'S GONNA GIVE US A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND MAYBE YOU'LL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE IN THE ROOM MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          SURE. 
          SO I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL FROM VARIOUS COMMITTEES ARE WORKING TOGETHER. 
          LAST YEARS, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF YOU. 
          I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT MY NAME'S BRIAN BAUER. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          UM, FIRST, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ALL Y'ALL FOR BEING PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AND HELP US SHAPE THIS REFERENDUM MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, STEPHANIE ROSSI WITH EL COG WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT SHE HAS SOME SCHEDULING CONFLICTS. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO VERY QUICKLY THROUGH THE ELK COG MPO METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION PLANNING PROCESS. 
          UM, STEPHANIE WILL BE AT A LATER MEETING THAT CAN GO MORE IN DETAIL WITH IT, BUT I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON THAT AND THEN TOUCH ON SOME REFERENCES THAT Y'ALL WILL BE GIVEN, UM, FOR, UH, MOVING FORWARD FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, GET ON, UH, JASPER'S SALES TAX HAD THEY PASSED IN 2024. 
          BEFORE YOU START, I THINK LET'S WAIT TILL THE END FOR QUESTIONS AND JUST FOLLOW IN ROBERT'S RULES. 
          JUST LET ME ACKNOWLEDGE YOU 'CAUSE SEVERAL MAY BE TALKING AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE'LL WAIT TILL THE END. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          SO FIRST AND ELK COG IS THE LOW COUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, WHICH COVERS BEAUFORT, JASPER, CARLTON, AND HAMPTON COUNTIES. 
          LATZ IS THE, UH, LOW COUNTRY AREA TRANSPORTATION STUDY, WHICH IS THE MPO OF ELK COG. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE STARTING THE PROCESS TO REVIEW THEIR LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH IS A 20 YEAR PLAN UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, THAT'S LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION ACROSS THE REGION. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE A YEAR LONG PROCESS. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE SEVERAL, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS AND STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT AND STAKEHOLDERS ARE GONNA GET OPPORTUNITY TO INPUT PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THIS PLAN. 
          THIS PLAN IS THEN GONNA GET BUILT INTO THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS APPROVED FEDERAL, UH, FUNDING PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT THEN GOES INTO THE STATE TRANSPORTATION, UH, IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE STIP. 
          SO THESE ARE UPDATED EVERY FOUR YEARS AND WILL BE UPDATED AGAIN IN 2028. 
          AND THE TIP IN THE STIP ARE 10 YEAR APPROVED PLANS. 
          SO THIS GOES INTO WHAT ELCO IS WORKING TO FUND MOVING FORWARD IN THE REGION. 
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AND SO THIS IS, ALL THESE PLANS ARE COMING OUT OF THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY ELK HOG AND LATS AND ALSO BY BUFORT COUNTY. 
          UM, THAT IS A VERY, VERY QUICK 30,000 VIEW, UH, LOOK AT WHAT ELK HOG AND LATS IS DOING TO KIND OF COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE PLANS THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE PROVIDED. 
          SO WITH THAT, AS I MENTIONED, Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE GIVEN A LINK TO A DROPBOX, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT REFERENCES FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE PLANS AND STUDIES IN THERE. 
          SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOME LATS, UM, STUDIES THAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO WE HAVE LINKS HERE. 
          WE CAN GET YOU THIS, UM, SLIDESHOW. 
          BUT, SO THE STUDIES THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'VE DONE A BLUFFTON PARKWAY STUDY THAT LOOKS AT ALL OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALSO DONE A SAFETY ACTION PLAN, WHICH LOOKS AT HIGH, UH, RISK AREAS AROUND THE FOUR COUNTIES. 
          AND THERE'S A SECTION IN THERE SPECIFICALLY FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY THAT'S GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, INTERSECTIONS, ROADWAYS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISK OF IN ACCIDENTS FATALITIES. 
          AND IT GIVES PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY'VE DONE A ISSUE OR STUDY THAT'S LOOKING AT SC 46 AND THREE 15 IN JASPER COUNTY. 
          SO THAT TIES INTO THE, UH, INNER ROUNDABOUT AT 46 AND ONE 70. 
          SO IT DOES COME INTO BEAUFORT COUNTY, BUT MOST OF THAT'S GONNA BE IN JASPER. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ALL THE PLANS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, WHICH THEY'RE ON THEIR WEBSITE ALSO. 
          THESE WILL BE IN THE DOCUMENTS YOU'RE PROVIDED. 
          BUT THEY HAVE THEIR LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, IS THAT 20 YEAR OUTLOOK. 
          UM, THE RURAL LONG RANGE PLAN, WHICH IS LOOKING AT THE FOUR COUNTIES, THE, UH, LONG RANGE PLAN LOOKS AT JUST THE MPO AREAS, WHICH IS MAINLY THE MUNICIPALITIES, HARDY V BLUFFTON, BUFORT, UH, WORLD TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE RTIP, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND THE STATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THOSE 10 YEAR PLANS. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL BE PROVIDED ALL THOSE IN A DROPBOX LINK FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW AND COME UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR HUGHES AS YOU'RE, WE ALSO HAVE A HANDFUL OF BEAUFORT COUNTY STUDIES THAT THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN ON AND HAS PERFORMED. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE'VE DONE OUR OWN ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN LOOKING AT BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          UM, THE LAST ONE WAS MORE INVOLVED. 
          OURS LOOKED MORE AT JUST ACCESS INTERSECTIONS IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE. 
          UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT JOE FRAZIER GOING ALL THE WAY FROM LAUREL BAY BOULEVARD TO, UM, BROAD RIVER BOULEVARD, AND THAT IS PEDESTRIAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A SAMS POINT ROAD ACCESS MANAGEMENT OVER ON LADIES ISLAND. 
          SO THAT STARTED OUT AS A FULL ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          UM, THE RECOMMENDATION CAME BACK THAT THE VOLUME WASN'T QUITE THERE YET, SO IT ENDED UP BEING MORE OF A MEMO ON TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS SAYING WHERE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WERE WARRANTED WOULD BE, COULD BE PUT IN AND WHERE THEY COULDN'T BE. 
          UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SC 46 CORRIDOR GOING FROM THAT INTERSECTION AT 1 70 46 ALL THE WAY INTO BLUFFTON. 
          UM, THEN WE HAVE LOOKED AT ONE 70 AND 2 78 ALSO. 
          ONE 70 GOES FROM SC 4 62 AND OKIE ALL THE WAY TO 2 78 INTERCHANGE IN MACY'S CORNER. 
          UM, AND 2 78 GOES FROM ONE 70, THAT SAME INTERCHANGE ALL THE WAY BACK TO ARJUN BOULEVARD. 
          SO LATZ IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON STUDIES OF ALL OF ONE 70 FROM 90 OR FROM BUFORT ALL THE WAY TO 46 AND OF 2 78 ALL THE WAY FROM 95 TO HILTON HEAD. 
          THOSE ARE ONGOING STUDIES, SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FOR YOU YET. 
          BUT THERE WILL BE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS COMING UP, UM, I THINK PROBABLY NEXT MONTH, UM, FOR IF ANYONE WANTS TO JOIN THOSE AND UM, BE A PART OF THOSE, THEY'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A S 21 CORRIDOR STUDY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM US 17 TO NE ROAD, WHICH IF YOU'RE FROM NORTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY, IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THE WENDY'S WAS BILLED A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON 21. 
          SO ALL THESE STUDIES ARE GONNA BE PROVIDED TO YOU. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO ON, WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE OR LATS WEBSITE, BUT THEY'LL BE PROVIDED FOR YOU TO REVIEW, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND LOOK AT SOME OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THESE STUDIES. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT I WOULD MENTION IS MOST OF THESE STUDIES ARE GONNA MAKE A SHORT TERM, A MIDTERM AND A LONG TERM RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOUR SHORT TERM IS GENERALLY PROJECTS THAT THEY RECOMMEND NEEDING TO BE DONE IN ZERO TO FIVE YEARS. 
          YOUR MIDTERM IS LOOKING FIVE TO 10 AND YOUR LONG TERM IS GENERALLY FURTHER OUT THAN THAT. 
          SO, UM, JUST I WOULD KEEP THAT IN MIND AS A REVIEWING AND THAT KIND OF JUST ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE THE MOST URGENT NEEDS. 
          SO BACK IN 2024, WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THE LAST REFERENDUM, JASPER COUNTY WENT OUT FOR A REFERENDUM ALSO. 
          THEY WERE FORTUNATE AND THEIR THEIRS PASSED. 
          THEY PASSED A 15 YEAR TAX, 
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WHICH WAS $470 MILLION. 
          THEY ADDRESS, UH, 80% OF THAT THREE 76 MILLION TO 16 ROAD PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER 20%, 94 MILLION WENT TO GREEN BELTS. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL 16 OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT I DO WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE OF 'EM. 
          SO THEY DO HAVE 46 ON THERE GOING FROM SNAKE ROAD TO ONE 70. 
          THEY HAVE 2 78 CORRIDOR ARGENT BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY FROM 2 78 TO ONE 70. 
          AND SO ALL THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT TOUCH BEFOR COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE ALL MAIN PRIMARIES THAT AFFECT BOTH COUNTIES. 
          MANY OF 'EM TIE INTO UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE FACING THESE ISSUES. 
          WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES. 
          IT'S A WHOLE REGIONWIDE THING, BUT WHAT HAPPENS THERE AFFECTS US ALSO. 
          OH, THESE ARE THE OTHER ONES. 
          AND LAST THING THAT WE HAD IS, UH, MARI SOKA MENTIONED THE PROJECT FORMS THAT WE'LL BE HANDING OUT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO VERSIONS OF IT. 
          ONE IS ONE THAT YOU CAN PRINT OUT AND HAND FILL IN. 
          THE OTHER IS A FILLABLE WORD FOR WORD FORMAT THAT YOU CAN FILL IN ON THE COMPUTER. 
          UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THOSE. 
          AND IT'S BASICALLY GONNA ASK SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT, WHAT AREA OF THE COUNTY THE PROJECT'S GONNA AFFECT, ANY CROSS STREETS. 
          AND THEN JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO YOU CAN FILL OUT AS MANY OF THESE AS YOU WANT, OR AS FEW OF THEM THEY'LL COME TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND TO STAFF. 
          AND THEN FOR FUTURE PRESENTATION, UM, TO, TO Y'ALL. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. 
          JUST A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? MR. JONES? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          QUESTION. 
          YES SIR. 
          WHAT, WHERE IS IT ON THE COUNTY SCOPE TO GIVE SOME TYPE OF RELIEF FOR THE FOLKS OVER ON WASAW? OKAY. 
          SAYS EVERY TIME THERE IS AN E UH, ENVIRONMENT, THEY, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BEING AFFECTED BY, UM, COAST, COAST ECOSYSTEM RAPIDLY, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND, AND WHAT, AND, AND GOD FORBID AN EMERGENCY HAPPENS OVER THERE, UM, DOING ONE OF THE KING TIDES OR WHATEVER AND THOSE FOLKS ARE FLOODED OUT AND CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, IN OR OR OUT. 
          AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. 
          THERE'S ONE STUDY THAT I DID NOT HAVE INCLUDED ON THAT LIST. 
          THE COUNTY HAS PERFORMED A VULNERABILITY STUDY WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT LOW LYING ROADWAYS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY AND THAT'S LOOKING AT MUNICIPAL, COUNTY, STATE, ANY PUBLIC ROAD, UM, THEY'VE LOOKED AT AND FOR A VULNERABILITY. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FLOODING AND UM, YOU KNOW, UH, KING TIDES AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO IF THAT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT, I MEAN THAT'S ON THERE. 
          ALSO, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT RESURFACING, WIDENING AND UM, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO THAT COULD FALL UNDER THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OR RESURFACING. 
          SO IF THAT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL DECIDE YOU WANNA RECOMMEND, THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE ELEVATED. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WIDENING IS, IS GOING, GOING TO HELP IT. 
          UM MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS AND VOICES I'VE BEEN HEARING MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT US TO DO THINGS ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BROAD RIVER, WHAT ABOUT US AND, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH. 
          YEP. 
          NO, I MEAN THIS IS, I MEAN, YEAH, THERE IS AN ISSUE THERE. 
          WE KNOW THAT THE KING TIDE FLOODING IS AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          UM, SO I THINK YEAH. 
          UH, AND THIS IS OPEN TO NORTH ABROAD, SOUTH ABROAD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO GIVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          IF THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES YOU WANNA RECOMMEND, UM, WE CAN RUN WITH IT. 
          SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'LL GET WITH YOU? JOY MS. GUY? OH HEY. 
          UM, THE FORM UP THERE THAT YOU HAVE ON THERE, IS THAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE FILLING OUT? OR IS THAT, YOU SAID THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FILLING THAT OUT? I MEAN, IT'S FOR Y'ALL, I THINK MAYOR SOKA SAID IT COULD BE FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          SO I MEAN, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO Y'ALL WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO BE JUST FOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR YOU KNOW, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          SO I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE LIKE SENT OUT FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY? YOU KNOW HOW YOU SEND OUT THE LITTLE, UM, NOTIFICATIONS? I MEAN IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL DECIDE YOU WANNA DO IS TO EXTEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT WORK. 
          YEAH, I MEAN YOU WANT PUBLIC INPUT, RIGHT? I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL TO GET AS MUCH INPUT AS POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, ON THESE PROJECTS, ARE YOU NARROWING DOWN THE LIST OF PROJECTS OR IS THAT JUST COMPLETELY UP TO US TO PICK THE PROJECTS? THAT'S GONNA REALLY BE UP TO Y'ALL. 
          WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE PROJECT OR THESE STUDIES AND COME UP WITH OUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE, SO WE CAN START KIND OF THE ESTIMATING PROCESS OF IT, BUT UM, REALLY WANNA HEAR WHAT 
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Y'ALL WANNA RECOMMEND TO US. 
          SO, UM, I GET, WELL LET ME, LET ME GET MR, WE'LL COME BACK AROUND. 
          MR. STANFORD, YOU REFER TO JUDGE TO THESE PROJECTS. 
          THERE'S MORE TO THEM THAN JUST PAVING AND RIGHT OF WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE HAS TO DO WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH MM-HMM . 
          UH, SEWAGE DRAINAGE, UH, SURFACE WATER, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          ARE THEY INCLUDED IN THESE PROJECTS? YEAH. 
          WHEN WE'RE DOING THE ESTIMATING, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THAT. 
          AND UM, I MEAN, OF COURSE THE DRAINAGE, THE STORM SEWER, UM, THAT'S DEFINITELY INCLUDING ALL THESE PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO UTILITY COORDINATION WITH ALL THESE, WHETHER IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, SEWER, WATER, ELECTRICAL, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, THAT'S PART OF THE PRO PROJECT. 
          SO IF THERE'S CONFLICTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE MOVED OR RELOCATED, THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE A PART OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO THE PROJECTS ARE BIGGER, BIGGER THAN JUST THE PAVING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? YEAH. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST PAVING, RESURFACING, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE TO ADJUST A METER OR A VALVE, RAISE IT, LOWER IT. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RELOCATIONS UTILITY COORDINATION IN THAT. 
          BUT IF IT GETS INTO A BIGGER PROJECT, A WIDENING OR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD ALMOST GUARANTEE WE'LL HAVE SOME SORT OF UTILITY CONFLICT. 
          I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE PART OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          YES SIR. 
          NO, THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. 
          TWO, ONE MAIN IS YOU DID NOT MENTION DIRT ROADS, WHICH THAT'S A PRIMARY CONCERN. 
          YES SIR. 
          I AM. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT MM-HMM . 
          BUT CAN WE BE PROVIDED AS FAR AS INFORMATION AS AN INVENTORY OF EXISTING DIRT ROADS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND, AND A SEPARATE LISTING OR THE, UH, THE, UH, INDICATION ON THE MASS LIST OF ALL DIRT ROADS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE CLEARED? AND WHEN I SAY CLEARED, I'M REFERRING TO ALL OF THE EASEMENTS RIGHT. 
          OF WAYS LIKE SHOVEL READY? YEP. 
          OR OR FOR BETTER TERM, CATERPILLAR READY? YEP. 
          YEAH, WE, SO WHEN WE LOOK TO ANALYZE THAT, WE CAN SAY IF THIS MUCH MONEY WILL TAKE THIS MUCH OFF THE READY LIST, UM, AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE COUNTY, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD THAT BOTH THE LIST OF COUNTY OWNED DIRT ROADS AND THE ONES THAT HAVE FULL RIGHT OF WAY, UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT FULL RIGHT OF WAY AND WHICH MEAN GREEN SIGN ROADS. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          AND GREENSTEIN ROADS THAT YOU HAVE WHERE THE LANDOWNERS HAVE SIGNED OFF ON EVERYTHING YES SIR. 
          AND WAITING FOR YOU TO PAVE THEM. 
          YEP. 
          UH, THOSE ROADS WILL BE ROADS THAT ARE READY TO GO. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO DO THE DESIGN AND PAVE 'EM. 
          UM, SOME OF 'EM DID. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN THE, UH, SURVEYS HAVE BEEN DONE, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE AND WE'VE STILL BEEN 5 67 YEARS. 
          MAYBE I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, EVERY ROAD THAT WE HAVE FULL RIGHT OF WAY ON HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED, BUT UM, IT'S READY FOR IT GETS THAT PART. 
          BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THOSE LIST IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE DIRT ROADS AND RESURFACING, THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I WANT NO, NO. 
          ENOUGH OF RESURFACING. 
          YEP. 
          WE ARE GETTING ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBDIVISION MADE. 
          YEP. 
          SUBDIVISION BEING REPAID RESURFACED AND DIRT ROADS STILL EXIST. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS MY PRIMARY INTEREST IS DIRT ROADS. 
          YES. 
          WHERE LANDOWNERS YES. 
          TAXPAYERS HAVE GIVEN THE COUNTY EVERYTHING THEY NEED. 
          YES SIR. 
          BUT YET, AND WE ON THE WAITING LIST. 
          YES SIR. 
          WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE PAVING OF THOSE DIRT ROADS, LET'S, LET'S CALL IT PAVING INSTEAD OF RESURFACING. 
          IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN, IN THIS TEXT, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT WE WILL GET YOU THE LIST OF ROADS, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, BE OPEN OUT OF THE LIST OF ROADS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 172 DIRT ROADS THAT ARE COUNTY OWNED. 
          WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 40 OF 'EM THAT WE HAVE FULL RIDE OF WAY ON. 
          DO THAT AGAIN, OUT OF 172 ROADS THAT THE COUNTY MAINTAINS, WE ONLY HAVE FULL RIDE AWAY ON ABOUT 40. 
          SO ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE ROADS WE COULD PAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IT. 
          SO, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE YEP. 
          THAT IF YOU WANNA GET THE VOTES, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU GOTTA COME THROUGH WITH. 
          YES SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO THIS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK THESE PROJECTS. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A LIST? I MEAN, I THINK THE MAJORITY, THE, THE THING IS TO MOVE TRAFFIC AND FOR SAFETY. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A LIST THAT ARE SOME TYPE OF LIST THAT WE CAN, THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH OF WHAT GIVES US THE MOST BANG FOR PROVIDING SAFETY AND FOR ACTUALLY MOVING THE TRAFFIC? I MEAN AS A, WELL JUST FOR INSTANCE, ON MY WAY HERE, UM, RIGHT AFTER I PASSED BUCK WALTER, THE TRAFFIC WAS BACKED UP ALL THE WAY COMING TO THE ISLAND. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK WHAT IT IS IS I THINK 
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IT'S ASH WEDNESDAY, MAYBE IT IS. 
          AND EVERYBODY WAS TURNING INTO ST. 
          GREGORY AND IT WAS BACKED UP ONTO THE ROAD LIKE AS FAR AS I COULD SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LIKE THAT MAY THAT UM, RIGHT IN SHOULD PROBABLY BE, BE LONGER. 
          BUT I MEAN ARE WE BEING AS SPECIFIC AS LIKE A LITTLE PROJECT LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN SAFETY PROJECTS? YES MA'AM. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, GIVE SOME GUIDANCE THERE. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW THE STUDIES THAT YOU'LL BE PROVIDED, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE GIVE PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE BROKE, BROKEN DOWN INTO GENERALLY SHORT TERM, MIDTERM LONG TERM WITH THE SHORT TERM GENERALLY BEING THE MOST URGENT, UM, EASIEST TO IMPLEMENT PROJECTS. 
          UM, THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN HAS, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE 75 PAGES OR SOMETHING JUST ON BEAUFORT COUNTY PROJECTS AND THAT'S LOOKING JUST AT SAFETY, UM, INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, TURN LANES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING YOU'LL HAVE THOSE PLANS, THOSE STUDIES, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TRY TO GET YOU, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. 
          LIKE DO YOU HAVE DATA ON WHICH OF THESE PROJECTS PROVIDE BASICALLY THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK I GUESS, OR, I MEAN WE'RE GONNA BE LIMITED ON MONEY AND TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S HOW WE CAN PROVIDE GENERAL. 
          AND AGAIN, GENERALLY ALL THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE STUDIES, BUT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. 
          AND, AND THESE ARE ARE THINGS WHEN, AND I WENT THROUGH THE STUDY AND I THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHERE I MIGHT REPRESENT A WHOLE TOWN. 
          YOU REPRESENT, YOU WERE APPOINTED BY ONE OF THE 11 COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST GO TO YOUR, GO TO YOUR COUNCIL CONNECTION. 
          WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN SEEING TAKE? HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TILL WE ASK HIM. 
          SO I DO THINK WE NEED THE DIRT. 
          I AGREE ON THE DIRT ROADS. 
          AND WHAT IS THE GROUP TC? IT'S A COUNTY. 
          THE C, THE CTCC, ALL THESE ACRONYMS. YEP. 
          WE NEED A, WE NEED A LIST OF ACRONYMS AND WHAT THEY MEAN. 
          YES. 
          CTC, COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEY PAVED DIRT ROADS BASICALLY ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS. 
          THE CTC GENERALLY DOES, DOES RESURFACING. 
          RESURFACING IS DIFFERENT FROM PAVING. 
          THE DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM IS COMES OUT OF OUR TAG FUNDS, WHICH IS YOUR VEHICLE REGISTRATION FEES. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE CTC MEMBERS ON YOUR, ON YOUR BOARD. 
          SO THEY COULD PROBABLY GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT, BUT I, BUT I AGREE, I UPDATED THAT FOR YOU, THAT THAT'S GOOD. 
          BOOTS ON THE GROUND. 
          I THINK THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO WORK ON GETTING TRUST BACK IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AND I THINK ALL OF US HAVE GREAT PRESENCE IN OUR AREAS. 
          SO, UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ONE, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          IS THERE A MAP? WHERE'S MY NOTES? IS THERE A JASPER COUNTY MAP, LIKE OUR PENNY MAP THAT YOU COULD SEND US SO WE COULD SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF THEIR PROJECTS? SO WE CAN HAVE A VISUAL. 
          I WILL CHECK WITH JASPER COUNTY AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO, IT'S JUST MORE OF A SUGGESTION I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WHOEVER CAN TRY TO DRIVE AROUND BECAUSE JUDGE, I DON'T KNOW THE DIRT ROAD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M GONNA GO FIND IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE AROUND, MAYBE CROSS THE BRIDGE BACK AND FORTH TO SEE THESE PROJECTS, IT REALLY IS HELPFUL TO HAVE AN EYE ON IT WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE ONE OR TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS MENTIONING IT, IT'S NICE. 
          LIKE, I DON'T KNOW SAL, SO I'M GONNA LOOK IT UP WHEN I GET HOME. 
          BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE FOR ALL OF US TO KIND OF BE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT WE ALL ARE, OUR CONCERNS ARE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO GET A GIS MAP UP SHOWING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTY. 
          UM, THAT'S IN DRAFT FORM NOW, BUT AS SOON AS WE GET IT FINALIZED, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL GET ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN Y'ALL START GETTING US PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY ON THAT MAP, WE CAN ADD THEM ON SO YOU CAN SEE HOLISTICALLY WHAT'S NORTH ABROAD, WHAT'S SOUTH ABROAD AND WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE. 
          SO, UM, YES, YES, MR. JONES. 
          GOING BACK TO THE DIRT ROADS AND THE RIGHT OF WAYS, UH, I JUST, SHORTLY AFTER I RETIRED IN 2002, I KNEW THAT THE COUNTY WANTED HAVE YOUR BLUE SIGN SWITCHED OVER TO COUNTY. 
          YOU HAD TO GIVE THEM, SO WITH YOU SAYING THAT THE NUMBER OF GREEN SIGNS THAT YOU HAD RIGHT AWAY ON THAT NO COUNTRY SIGN HAS COME. 
          'CAUSE IN ORDER TO GET THAT GREEN SIGN YOU HAD TO GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE COUNTY TO GET THAT. 
          SO WHERE'S A DISCONNECT? AND I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ROAD. 
          BUT, SO A LOT OF THESE ROADS ARE CALLED LEGACY ROADS THAT THEY WERE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY, UM, BACK IN THE DAY, BUT THEY WERE NEVER DEEDED FULL RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO THE COUNTY HAS CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN 'EM. 
          MOST OF THOSE ROADS HAVE A GREEN SIGN, UM, BUT THEY WERE NEVER FULL RIGHT OF AWAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND AGAIN, GET YOU THAT LIST. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL ROADS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE 
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CAN LOOK IT UP FOR YOU, CAN HELP YOU A LITTLE GOING, BEING THAT MY TENURE ON COUNCIL, THAT'S CALLED PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS, WHICH MEAN THE COUNTY OR FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT HAVE INVESTED INTO THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND THE ROAD HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USE. 
          SO THAT'S PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST STOP IT BASED ON THE HISTORICAL PUBLIC USAGE OF IT GIVES US THE RIGHT OF WAY JUST FOR THE ROAD BASICALLY FROM EDGE OF ROAD TO EDGE OF ROAD OR IF THERE'S DITCHES FROM THE EDGE OF THE DITCH, THE EDGE OF THE DITCH. 
          BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT IS STILL PRIVATE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL RIGHT OF WAY FOR IT. 
          SO IS THE COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND GREEN VERSUS BLUE? OKAY. 
          I, I KIND OF SPEAK LIKE, I JUST PRETEND LIKE NO ONE KNOWS, BUT IF YOU SEE A DIRT ROAD WITH A BLUE SIGN THAT'S PRIVATE GREEN SIGN IS COUNTY. 
          UM, GO BACK TO AND THINK THROUGH QUESTIONS GUYS, PLEASE, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO ASK BRIAN ANYTHING AND GET US THINGS. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL START SEEING THESE, UM, PRESENTATIONS FROM THE COUNTY AND ALL THE TOWNS AND THEN WE'LL IT'LL BRING MORE QUESTIONS UP. 
          BUT WOULD YOU SAY THAT WHILE WHEN WE GO TO THESE LINKS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE US, IF A STUDY'S BEEN DONE, IS THAT CLOSER TO SEEING THE ORANGE CONES IN THE ROAD OR DOES THAT, IF IT'S NOT A STUDY, DOES IT ADD TIME AND MAYBE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? IS IT STUDIED DESIGN ENGINEERING OR, I MEAN, YEAH, GENERALLY YOU'D GO STUDY PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING, MOVE DOWN TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION, BUT A LOT OF THESE STUDIES ARE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS OUT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR CONSTRUCTION ON, TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STUDIES GOES WITH FUNDING AND THAT'S WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES IN IS TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO GO BACK AND DO THESE MAJOR PROJECTS. 
          UM, LIKE A ONE 70 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT TAKES, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN WHAT OUR ANNUAL BUDGET ALLOWS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE ATTACKS LIKE THIS COMES IN HANDY. 
          UM, OR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THESE STUDIES. 
          YES SIR. 
          YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          UH, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE HIGH TECH HERE WITH ALL THIS STUFF, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN JUST GET A PAPER LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS IN JASPER COUNTY AND BEAUFORT COUNTY? MM-HMM . 
          YES SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE STUDIES WILL BE JUST HONEST WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT AS FAR AS PROJECT LISTS FOR JASPER COUNTY, WELL YOU JUST HAD IT UP THERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          OH, YOU JUST ONE LIST OF JUST THE STUDIES. 
          YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT TO YOU. 
          YEAH, WE CAN GET YOU A COPY OF THE SLIDESHOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'LL HAVE EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH, THAT'LL BE OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE MAP ON TOP OF IT, IF YOU JUST WANNA SEE WHERE IT IS, IT THEY SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NEXT IS COMMITTEE DISCUSSION. 
          SO IT'S STILL MORE QUESTIONS, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA, WHAT, WHAT IF ONE, YES SIR. 
          UH, THERE ARE HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF ROADS THAT NEED REPAIR REPAVING IMPROVEMENT. 
          WHAT I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR HERE IS THE TOP LIST FROM EACH GROUP IN EACH AREA SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SELECTIONS FROM THAT VERSUS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO ALL OF THE ROADS THAT MIGHT NEED REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OR PAVING. 
          SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT. 
          SO WHAT WE DO IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IS, AND THIS HAS BEEN LED BY THE CTC AND FUNDED BY THE CTC. 
          UM, WE EVALUATE ALL THE COUNTY ROADS EVERY THREE, FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DOING OUR NEXT EVALUATION OF THOSE ROADS. 
          AND WHAT WE DO IS WE GO THROUGH AND CREATE, YOU KNOW, A FIVE YEAR PLAN AT A TIME. 
          I THINK WE'RE DOING A 10 YEAR PLAN THIS TIME. 
          SO WE'RE RATING ALL THOSE ROADS, UM, AND AS FAR AS CONDITION GOES AND THEN COMING UP WITH A FIVE YEAR PLAN ON HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE. 
          SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU THOSE PLANS. 
          WE HAVE THOSE FOR THE S-E-D-O-T ROADS ALSO. 
          UM, I'LL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST CONFIRM WITH THE CTC CHAIRMAN, HE MAY BE WILLING TO COME SPEAK ONE DAY. 
          UM, AND SO WE'LL GET WITH THAT AND WE CAN PROBABLY GET THAT TO YOU AS WELL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES SIR. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          MY NAME IS CHARLES PERRY. 
          I'M ON THE CTC AND I, I THINK PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO HAVE THAT GAP CLOSED. 
          THE CHAIRMAN COME IN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, AND MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT IS, THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE CTC IS THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IS FUNDED OUT OF THE STATE GAS TAX. 
          WE GET THE COUNTY GETS A SHARE OF THAT EVERY YEAR. 
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AND THE CTC HAS VOTED AND FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO SPEND THEIR FUNDING ON RESURFACING PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM THAT TAKES THE CTC FUNDING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND PUTS THAT TOWARDS RESURFACING. 
          UM, AND THAT IS COUNTY ROADS AND STATE OWNED ROADS. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TO SPEND ABOUT 33% ON THE STATE NETWORK OF ROADS. 
          SO ALL THAT IS PROGRAMMED FOR THE CTC TO EXPEND THEIR FUNDINGS ON, ON THE, ON FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS. 
          UM, SO, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY GET, SEE IF MI UH, MR. GORDON WOULD COME IN AND SPEAK ONE DAY. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY, UH, RESURFACING, BUT IT'S A WHOLE CARE PRO. 
          UH, THAT'S MY TERM. 
          THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD TRANSPORTATION OR PAVING TERM. 
          IT'S A WHOLE CARE PROGRAM OF HOW YOU TREAT THE ROADS AND WHAT YOU DO AT DIFFERENT POINTS IN TIME IN THE LIFE OF THE ROAD. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT AND PAVE IT OVER. 
          THERE ARE STEPS THAT YOU GET TO BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S INFORMATIVE AS TO WHAT THE CTC DOES. 
          AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE AN OVERLAP AND DON'T CONFUSE OURSELVES. 
          AND I'LL SAY THE NEXT CTC MEETING IS GONNA BE THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF MARCH IF ANYONE WANTS TO ATTEND IT ALSO, IT'LL BE IN THE SAME ROOM. 
          SO THIRD WEDNESDAY. 
          MS. COE, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? DID WE GET A LIST OF WHAT THESE FIVE YEAR PROJECTS ARE FROM THE CTC FOR THE PAVED ROAD SO THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE PUTTING 'EM INTO THE SALES TAX TO REDO THE SAME THING? YES MA'AM. 
          AND AND ALSO JUST A QUICK POINT. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M THINKING OF MOVING TRAFFIC AND SAFETY AND I MEAN, AND I, THIS WAS IN A CHAT THAT I ATTENDED AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT A LADY GOT UP AND SHE SAID THAT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE USE SUN CITY, WHATEVER, THEY'RE 55 AND OLDER AND THEY WON'T EVEN GO OUT AT NIGHT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE THE STRIPES ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE SO POOR. 
          UM, I MEAN, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD COST A LOT TO, I MEAN LIKE MAYBE RETRIP ALL OF THE ROADS IN, UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          I MEAN I NOTICED DRIVING OUTTA HILTON HEAD, YOU LOOK AT THE STRIPES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REAL VISIBLE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU DO THAT OR IS THAT THE STATE'S JOB OR COULD WE INTEGRATE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP FOR THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE DRIVING. 
          YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO GO WITH IT. 
          UM, MOST OF YOUR BIG PRIMARY ROADS, UH, 2 78, 1 70, THOSE ARE STATE ROADS. 
          SO WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THE DOT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'D HAVE AN ISSUE WITH GETTING THEIR ROADS, UH, RES STRIPPED OR, YOU KNOW, RESURFACED IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO GO. 
          UH, IF JUST, IF THIS COMMITTEE, I'VE HEARD EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL TALK ABOUT ONE 70. 
          I THINK IF WE ALL RAISED OUR HAND, IS THAT A MAJOR PROJECT? WE PROBABLY ALL WOULD. 
          BUT IF THEY WIDENED OR IF THEY RESURFACED, THEY WOULD, WE WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD PROVIDE BETTER LINING OR WOULD WE GIVE IT TO YOU TO SUGGEST HEAVILY OR DEMAND? I MEAN, ANY, ANY PROJECT THAT'S GONNA PUT NEW ASPHALT DOWN IS GONNA GET NEW STRIPING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE COULD DO, IF THAT WAS ONE OF Y'ALL'S DECISIONS WAS WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE DOING WIDER STRIPING, A SIX INCH STRIPING OR EIGHT INCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          UM, AND GOING BACK TO THE SAFETY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN, THERE IS A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN. 
          SO THE HIGHER BENEFIT COST, YOU KNOW, THE MORE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON SAFETY. 
          SO YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER. 
          SOME OF THAT GOES IN THERE. 
          AND I THINK TO THE CHAIR'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, YOU PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT YOUR BIG PROJECTS, THEN COME IN WITH YOUR ME MEDIUM SIZED PROJECTS AND THEN FILL IN THE GAPS WITH YOUR SMALLER PROJECTS. 
          KIND OF LIKE BIG ROCKS IN FIRST, THEN YOUR MIDDLE ONES AND THEN YOUR SAND IN THE TOP TO FILL IN ALL THOSE GAPS. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE A ONE 70 WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE BIG ROCKS THAT YOU'D PUT IN THERE AND THEN BUILD OFF OF THAT. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? JUDGE? ONE FINAL, UM, AND I KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. 
          JUST A QUICK DEFINITION OF DEFINING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COUNTY ROADS AND STATE ROADS. 
          UH, IT IS JUST GONNA BE WHO OWNS AND MAINTAINS IT FOR THE MOST PART. 
          UM, COUNTY ROADS ARE GONNA BE ONES THAT THE COUNTY OWNS AND MAINTAINS. 
          THE DOT SYSTEM IS ROADS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE DOT AND GENERALLY MAINTAINED BY THE DOT. 
          IF WE GO DO WORK ON THEIR SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT, AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT OR AN INTERGOVERNMENT, A GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT TO ALLOW US TO DO WORK ON THEIR ROADS. 
          I KNOW AT ONE POINT WHEN THE COUNTY WOULD PAVE THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT THE ROAD EVENTUALLY WENT UNDER THE STATE MAINTENANCE. 
          THIS, THAT PROCESS STILL EXISTS. 
          I CAN'T THINK OF ANY REAL EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE'VE PAVED THE ROAD THAT WAS TURNED OVER TO THE STATE. 
          GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE'LL HAVE TO GET AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT AND TECHNICALLY WHEN WE HAVE THAT ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, WE OWN THE ROAD OR BETTER THE CONTRACTOR OWNS THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN WHEN THAT PERMIT'S CLOSED OUT, THE ROAD OWNERSHIP GOES BACK TO THE DOT. 
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UM, SO THAT MAY BE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY, UH, EXAMPLES REAL QUICK ON HAND. 
          THIS IS WAY BACK NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT WAS DONE WAY BACK THEN. 
          , BUT YEAH, IT'S, UH, VERY SELDOM THAT THE DOT WANTS TO TAKE ROADS. 
          THEY'RE MORE APT TO GIVE THEM. 
          SO I I THINK IT GO, THE STATE WOULD GIVE IT TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY SURELY WOULD GIVE IT TO THE TOWNS THEN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE PROBABLY TRY . 
          PROBABLY TRY NO QUESTION IS A SILLY QUESTION. 
          AND I THINK, I MEAN THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ON THIS COMMITTEE AND I HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS THAT I NEVER KNEW ABOUT. 
          SO PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS. 
          ANY MEETING WE ARE GONNA, UM, I'M GONNA TALK AND MAYBE Y'ALL THINK, 'CAUSE SOME OTHERS TO ASK BRIAN. 
          BUT I THINK A GOOD POINT, AND WE CAN START TODAY AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT TO GIVE EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER A TIME TO TALK, MAYBE THINK THROUGH TWO MINUTES TOWARD THE END OF THE MEETING, WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE ROOM AND LET'S START LOOKING AT THIS LIST. 
          I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THESE STUDIES, IT'S GONNA, I'VE LOOKED AT 'EM, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO LOOK AT. 
          THAT COVERS THE WHOLE COUNTY AND STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE AND SOMETIMES ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DONE AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE FUNDING. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THESE THINGS COME OUT OF THE LOCAL COUNTRY AREA, TRANSPORTATION STUDY OR LAPS. 
          I'LL TRY TO DO THAT FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, SO DO I WANT YOU TO RIDE AROUND TO WHAT'S IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHAT DOES YOUR COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE SAY IF YOU'RE FROM, WHAT DOES CITY OF BEAUFORT SAY? JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S ALL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          'CAUSE WE NEED TO GET A LIST GOING. 
          ONE THING, BRIAN, THAT I KNOW MS. CO, UM, BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING WAS IN THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING, UH, AND LIGHTS, MANAGEMENT OF LIGHTS. 
          IF WE SAY PUT THAT ON FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR HOWEVER WE DESIGNATE IT, AFTER WE DO THAT, WHAT ARE THE STEPS? SHOULD WE GIVE IDEAS OF NEW AND IMPROVED TIMING, NEW AND IMPROVED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT? I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU EXPECT THIS COMMITTEE TO GO INTO DETAIL WITH, JUST SO YOU'RE LOOKING MORE AT LIKE RED LIGHT REGULATION. 
          IF YOU JUST PUT LIKE, JUST SAY A, A GENERIC TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON THERE. 
          YOU'RE ASKING HOW WE WOULD GO ABOUT THAT OR, YEAH, WELL I KNOW THAT, DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT JUST THE LIGHT, THE TIMING OF THE RED LIGHTS, OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, RIGHT. 
          IF THERE'S A, UH, TECHNOLOGY OR SOMETHING AND WE SAY THAT'S, AND WE MIGHT SAY THAT MIGHT NOT BE IMPORTANT, BUT IF IT IS IMPORTANT, DO WE GIVE YOU DETAIL INTO THAT? DO YOU ENGINEER AND SAY THESE ARE THE OPTIONS FOR THE THIS, IF THIS IS ON YOUR LIST OF TOP WHATEVER. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT, WE COULD DEFINITELY DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SO I WILL SAY WHEN STEPHANIE ROSSI COMES IN AND SPEAKS, SO, UH, LATS HAD A GRANT FROM THE STATE MM-HMM . 
          UM, LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT RETIMING OF A LOT OF THE CORRIDORS AROUND BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          SO NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, IN SOUTH ABROAD, NORTH ABROAD. 
          AND THAT'S JUST GONNA BE RETIMING. 
          THERE ARE YOU THE THINGS FOR THE MAIN CORRIDORS LIKE ADAPTIVE TIMING, KIND OF LIKE WHAT HILL AND HEAD HAS ON 2 78. 
          SO YOU COULD LOOK AT MAYBE PUTTING, EXPANDING THAT THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, LATS IS ALSO DOING A ITS MASTER PLAN, UM, INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS AND YOU KNOW, UM, THE MESSAGE BOARDS THAT SAY FIVE MINUTES TO GET HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST A STUDY. 
          SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT STUDY AND SEE, GO TO THE PUBLIC MEETING, SEE WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO DETECTION. 
          UM, MOST OF OUR CAMERA, OUR SIGNALS HAVE LOOP DETECTION, WHICH ARE CUT INTO THE PAVEMENT AND THEY SENSE WHEN A CAR IS THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO CAMERA DETECTION, THERE'S RADAR, UM, THAT ARE NEWER TECHNOLOGIES. 
          THEY HAVE SOME PROS AND CONS, BUT UM, A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE WE SEE NEWER INTERSECTIONS GOING. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD GO BACK AND BE RETROFITTED ON EXISTING INTERSECTIONS. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT AT THE, UM, INTERSECTION OF BIG STATE HAS RADAR DETECTION, THE INTERSECTION OF 2 78 AND BUCK WALTER HAS, UM, CAMERAS. 
          SO THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES AROUND THE COUNTY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DETECTION. 
          SO THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS WE COULD LOOK AT THIS DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION ON, EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD HAS, UH, IMPLEMENTED AN ADAPTIVE SYSTEM FOR ALL OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON HILTON HEAD ON THE, UH, INCLUDING WINDMILL HARBOR. 
          UH, AND IF YOU WANTED TO SEE HOW THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM WORKS IN REALITY, UH, THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD, UH, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, UH, SEEMS TO BE WORKING PRETTY WELL. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT WORKS PRETTY WELL IN TERMS OF MOVING TRAFFIC ALONG 2 78, BUT 
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AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDING SAFE, UH, AND REASONABLE ACCESS FOR THE SIDE STREETS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A LIVING, A LIVING, BREATHING EXAMPLE OF HOW THE ADAPTIVE SYSTEM, UH, CAN WORK ON A GIVEN AREA, UH, AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN ISOLATED ONE. 
          AND I'LL ALSO JUST ADD, IF ANYONE YOU KNOW, HAS SPENT ANY TIME NORTH ABROAD ON BOUNDARY STREET, UM, WE JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED A SIGNAL RETIMING OF BOUNDARY STREET, WHICH ADDED, UH, THE CITY ADDED NEW DETECTION AND MOST OF THEIR LIGHTS AND THEY WERE ALL RETIME AND COORDINATION. 
          UM, AND SO THERE'S BEEN A BIG DIFFERENCE OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PRE RETIMING AND NOW. 
          SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH WORKING DETECTION AND RETIMING AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING ALL THE WAY TO ADAPTIVE. 
          SO DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR. 
          WELL, COULD WE NOT, I MEAN, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIFIC WITH THIS PROJECT, SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY I SHOULDN'T THEY ALL KIND OF BE UNIFORM LIKE THIS, THE, ALL THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, EITHER ALL HAVE CAMERAS, ALL HAVE THIS, THAT, UM, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE SAME AND THEN THEY CAN TIME, I MEAN, AS A MATTER OF FACT DRIVING, I, I WILL SAY THAT HILTON HEADLIGHTS I THINK WORK VERY WELL. 
          THEY SEEM TO, BUT DRIVING JUST TO HILTON HEAD, MY SON AND I DECIDED THAT THE MOST THING WITH THE TRAFFIC IS, YOU KNOW, POOR DRIVER BEHAVIOR AND ILL-TIMED LIGHTS. 
          I MEAN, DRIVING FROM WHERE I LIVE TO, TO THE BRIDGE ONCE YOU GO OVER THE BRIDGE, PAST WINDMILL, IT SEEMS TO GO PRETTY SMOOTHLY. 
          SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT, I GUESS THAT WE ISN'T THE POINT, WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC SO THAT THIS CAN BE PASSED AS OPPOSED TO JUST THROWING OUT A IT IS. 
          BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS LIKE, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT YOUR GOAL IS. 
          IF IT IS MOVING TRAFFIC, THEN ADAPTIVE MAY MAKE MORE SENSE. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, IT MAY BE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THE DETECTION'S WORKING. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST IF DETECTION'S NOT WORKING ON A SIGNAL, IT'S DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE TIMING IS, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEN IT JUST GOES BACK TO DEFAULT TIME. 
          SO YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE TIMING'S WORKING. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT, AND THAT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOCATION. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND WE COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND TO BE ABLE TO GET STARTED. 
          AND AS FAR AS UNIFORMITY, UM, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. 
          IT REALLY WOULD. 
          BUT, UM, WE HAVE OUR OWN SIGNALS. 
          WE MAINTAIN SIGNALS FOR DOT. 
          UH, THE TOWN OF HILL AND HEAD HAS THEIR OWN SIGNALS. 
          BUFORT CITY HAS THEIR OWN SIGNALS AND SIGNALS THAT THEY MAINTAIN FOR DOT, IF WE'RE WORKING ON A DOT SIGNAL, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC LIST OF PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO USE. 
          UM, IF IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST OF PRODUCTS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT, UM, UNLESS WE WANNA TAKE FULL OWNERSHIP OF THE SIGNAL. 
          SO UNIFORMITY WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE AGREES ON AND IS WILLING TO IMPLEMENT ON THEIR SIGNALS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN STRIVE FOR AND WORK TOWARDS. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, SNAPPING FINGERS AND EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. 
          SO, BUT YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC LOCATIONS OR IF YOU WANT US TO WORK ON UNIFORMITY, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON? ANYTHING PROCESS, ANYTHING? JUST, UH, A QUICK ONE REGARDING SIGNALS YOU HAVE, IF THERE ARE INTERSECTIONS, AND I CAN THINK OF A FEW, SOME OF 'EM ARE THREE-WAY, UM, THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC WITH ACCIDENTS AND ALL, WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO GET A SIGNAL AND ARE THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS AS TO HOW AND WHERE A SIGNAL CAN BE PLACED? LIKE, CAN THEY BE HALF A MILE APART, QUARTER MILE APART? ANYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT LAYS OUT AND SPECIFIES HOW THEY CAN BE INSTALLED? YEAH, THERE'S UH, ABSOLUTELY SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT UN UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, SO, AND AGAIN, EACH OF OUR CORRIDORS, MAJOR CORRIDORS, UM, BLUFFTON PARKWAY, BUCK WALTER 21, REBO ROAD, THEY ALL HAVE CORRIDOR SPECIFIC SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, UH, CODE OF ORDINANCES. 
          BUT THEY'RE ALSO GUIDED IF THEY'RE ON A DOT ROUTE BY THE DOT SPECIFICATIONS. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO SAY THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS SIGNAL SPACING GOES, UM, AND THEN TO SEE WHETHER SOMETHING QUALIFIES FOR A SIGNAL, IT HAS TO MEET THE, UH, THERE'S NINE WARRANTS, I BELIEVE IT'S NINE IN THE MUTC, THE MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES. 
          AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE WARRANT BY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND JUST A BLANKET STATEMENT. 
          THE DOT WILL NOT LET YOU PUT A SIGNAL UP IF IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE WARRANTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE MAY LOOK AT IT AND GO, TRAFFIC'S HORRIBLE HERE, OR THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT HERE. 
          UM, IT NEEDS A SIGNAL, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MEET THOSE WARRANTS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PUT THAT SIGNAL IN. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, MORE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE BACKGROUND TO JUSTIFY IT. 
          COULD WE GET A COPY 
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OF THE WARRANTS JUST SO WE HAVE INFORMATION? YEAH, WE CAN GET YOU THAT. 
          UM, ANOTHER I CAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO AGAIN, OUR MISSION AND, AND I, I'M THIS MISSION ORIENTED. 
          OUR MISSION IS YOU GONNA GIVE US, WE'VE GOT THIS PART THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE TAXES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU'VE GOT PROJECTS I PRESUME ALREADY THERE, ALBEIT THERE MAY BE SOME THAT MIGHT NOT BE ON THERE, YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM TO GO AND LIKE YOU SAID, IN THIS PROVERBIAL JAW, THE BIG ONES FIRST AND THEN THE NEXT ONES, SO THAT THERE IS A LIST LIKE THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE STARTED A LIST SO WE CAN COME UP WITH ESTIMATES FOR IT. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 95% OF THAT LIST IS COMING DIRECTLY FROM THESE STUDIES. 
          BUT, UM, IF THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIR AND Y'ALL WANT, WE CAN PROBABLY DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT LIST. 
          I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 32 PROJECTS ON THERE AND IF I HAD TO GUESS, YOU KNOW, 25 OR MORE CAME DIRECTLY FROM THOSE STUDIES. 
          SO, SO JUST ONE QUESTION THAT I WANNA MAYBE HIT THAT, AND IF ANY PLEASE. 
          WE, WE HAVE UNTIL THREE AND THIS IS OUR MEETING TODAY. 
          SO I THINK TO GET ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW, 'CAUSE NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO FAST AND FURIOUS WITH FOUR MUNICIPALITIES, THEN I'M GUESSING LOCATION SOUTH AND LOCATION NORTH WORKING COMMUNITY MAY FACTOR IN THE COUNTY LIST OR THE, HE COULD GIVE US A LIST NOW, I MEAN, OR GET IT TO US. 
          UM, BUT TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS TALKED ABOUT PATHWAYS AND I HAD ASKED THIS, BUT JUST FOR THE COMMITTEE, IF ANY ROAD IS WIDENED, A PATHWAY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO ADD, IF IT'S RESURFACED AND THERE ISN'T A PATHWAY, WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT ON WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF WE DON'T DO THAT PATHWAY FOR EIGHT YEARS. 
          JUST LOOK AT THE PENNY FROM 18. 
          WE NEED TO KNOW, LIKE MR. JONES SAID, WE HAVE EASEMENTS, WE'VE DONE ALL THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION, BUT FROM WHAT I HEARD, IF WE WIDEN ONE 70, JUST THROW IT OUT THERE, THERE WILL BE PATHWAYS ON ONE MAYBE, BUT MOST LIKELY JUST ONE SIDE, BUT MAYBE BOTH SIDES. 
          AM I RIGHT? YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND JIM IN WAS CORRECT, THE DOT DOES HAVE A COMPLETE STREETS POLICY, WHICH, UM, D ONE 70 IS A DOT ROUTE. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          BUT UM, YEAH, ANYTHING WE WOULD DO AS FAR AS WIDENING, WE WOULD LOOK AT SIDEWALKS OR UH, PATHWAY ON PATHWAY. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, IF IT'S JUST RESURFACING, UM, DOT HAS IMPLEMENTED A NEW POLICY DIRECTED MORE TOWARDS THE CC, BUT IF YOU GO RESURFACE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SIDEWALK PEDESTRIAN RAMP THAT'S NOT EADA, THEY'RE REQUIRING YOU TO UPDATE THAT TO A DA NOW. 
          BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF IT'S JUST RESURFACING, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA LOOK TO ADD A PATHWAY OR A SIDEWALK ON IT, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO WORK WITHIN A EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. 
          BUT ANYTHING THAT IS A WIDENING EXCEPT FOR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A ONE OR 2 78, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT DOING, UM, A PATHWAY OR SIDEWALK ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, LATS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE STARTED, BUT THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE SPINE ROUTE ON 2 1 70 WAS MENTIONED. 
          LATZ IS DOING A STUDY OF THAT SPINE ROUTE. 
          UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT STARTED, BUT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT DOING A STUDY OF IT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT REALLY IS AN INTERESTING MEETING TO GO TO IF YOU HAVE TIME. 
          IF NOT, I THINK THEY VIDEO, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO OR NOT, THEY USED TO HAVE IT ON FACEBOOK, BUT THEIR MINUTES AND THEIR LINKS AND THEIR MAPS AND THEIR SURVEYS, THEY REALLY ARE VERY INFORMATIVE TO ME. 
          SO WE'LL GET THAT LINK TO YOU. 
          THIS COMMITTEE I'M ASKING YOU AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGURE HOW MUCH OR DO WE FEEL OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR COUNTY WILL SUPPORT TIME AND YEARS. 
          AND I THINK THAT WILL COME WHEN WE START SEEING PROJECTS COME TO US. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO KEEP US IN OUR LANE ON NUMBER OF PROJECTS OR DO WE LOOK AT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS ON THAT. 
          SO DO WE ALL LISTEN TO EVERYTHING, RIGHT? AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE JUST AS MANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON PROJECTS SO WE CAN GET THIS LIST OF 200 PROJECTS, BUT WILL YOU GUIDE US? LET'S PICK 10 AND 10 OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I THINK THERE'LL PROBABLY BE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF IT FIRST AND GO, IF WE WANNA DO A FOUR YEAR, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH? AND SO FOR FOUR YEARS YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 300 MILLION TIMEFRAME OR QUANTITY. 
          UM, SO IF YOU THINK LONGER, WE COULD LOOK AT SIX YEARS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF GOING, IF WE DO THIS, WE HAVE THIS MUCH, WHAT, HOW MANY PROJECTS CAN WE FIT IN HERE? SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A SET NUMBER OF PROJECTS. 
          IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE COST OF THE PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE, IF THERE'S MORE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH ARE CHEAPER, IT'S 
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GOING TO BE MORE PROJECTS. 
          IF THERE'S A COUPLE LARGER RESER, OR NOT RESURFACING, BUT WIDENING, THERE'S GONNA BE FEWER PROJECTS. 
          SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE A COUPLE ROUNDS TO PROBABLY WORK THROUGH LENGTH AND, UH, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BRING IN REVENUES WISE AND HOW MANY PROJECTS WE CAN, CAN FIT IN THAT. 
          SO WE DO THAT LATER WHERE YOU'RE, I DON'T FEEL TASKED TO SAY, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN START BY GETTING YOU INFORMATION ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT, HOW MUCH REVENUE WOULD, IS ESTIMATED TO BRING IN FOR EACH, UH, TIMEFRAME. 
          I THINK, LIKE I SAID, UH, ROUGHLY 300 MILLION FOR FOUR YEARS, UM, FOUR 50 FOR SIX YEARS. 
          SO I MEAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND BRING THOSE FORWARD AND KIND OF PRESENT WHAT THAT WOULD BE LOOKING LIKE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. REEVES, ARE YOU, UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN CHARLESTON? THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO GET, I HAVE A LITTLE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 25 YEARS. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A MUCH BIGGER PROGRAM. 
          UM, I HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, JUST CURSORY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH UP THERE, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A BIGGER TAX AND THEY'VE HAD LONGER TAXES BEFORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEREAS WE'RE USED TO IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST ONES BEFORD COUNTY DID WAS TWO YEARS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO TRY TO BALANCE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REALISTIC? IS IT TWO YEARS OR IS IT 25 YEARS? ? SO, WELL, WHEN I LIVED IN, WHEN I LIVED IN CHATHAM COUNTY, GEORGIA, UM, THEY DID, THEY DID A, YOU KNOW, ROAD TAX DEAL OVER THERE. 
          THEY DID IT FOR 20 YEARS AND IT, IT, IT CLEANED UP THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY WERE HAVING IN CHATHAM, CHATHAM COUNTY. 
          I, I THINK IT HAS TO BE LONGER THAN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF ISSUES THERE. 
          A LOT OF ISSUES. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          I, I THOUGHT MAYBE AROUND SIX AND MAYBE EIGHT, YOU KNOW. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING AND I'VE NOTICED, UM, COUNCILWOMAN TABER, SHE POSTED ON NEXT DOOR TODAY THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING. 
          SO I THINK JUST POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WRAP YOURSELF AROUND THIS, WHAT, WHAT WE DO. 
          IF WE CAN GET THIS PASSED, IT'S GONNA RAISE ALL SHIPS. 
          WE'RE NOT ALL GONNA GET WHAT WE WANT OUT OF OUR LITTLE STREET OR ADDRESS, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. 
          AND I GO BACK, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST THAT I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO WHERE ONE 70 IS CAME OUT OF EVERYONE'S MOUTH AND I THINK IT AFFECTS EVERY CORNER OF THE COUNTY GOING AND COMING. 
          SO, UM, LET PEOPLE KNOW, LET PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COUNTY PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BE SUPPORTIVE. 
          IF NOT, MAYBE DON'T GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTA BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND STAY WITHIN OUR CONFINES OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY WILL APPROVE IT OR NOT AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          UM, AS FRUSTRATED AS SOME OF US MAY BE, THAT IT MAY BE THE WRONG PENNY OR IT MAY BE FOR THE WRONG PROJECTS. 
          IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT 60% OF THIS TAX IS PAID BY TOURISTS. 
          OKAY. 
          40% ARE PAID BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE WIN FOR US. 
          AND WHEN WE HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF TOURISTS HERE AND, AND THEIR MONEY ADDS UP REALLY QUICKLY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY TO GET LITTLE BULLET POINTS LIKE THIS TO OUR COMMITTEE? THE NUMBER, THE ESTIMATED, HOW IT IS, AND I HEAR THAT WITH EVERY PENNY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE NUMBER, THE THOUSANDS OF MILES OF ROADS IN OUR STATE VERSUS THE SIZE OF OUR STATE. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS POWERFUL. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE, WHY DON'T, WHY DIDN'T THE COUNTY DO IT ANYWAY? BUT I REALLY THINK WE'RE AT A POINT TODAY, IF WE DON'T GET IT, WE SEE THE BUILDUP INSTEAD OF BACKING UP TO JOHN SMITH ROAD, IT'S GONNA BACK UP 9 95 INSTEAD OF BACKING UP THE, THE TOMATO FARM. 
          IT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO RIP. 
          I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO GET, WE CAN'T STOP THE TRAFFIC. 
          SO I, FOR 1:00 AM EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          I FEEL LIKE ALL OF US ARE GONNA BRING GREAT KNOWLEDGE. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, JUDGE? YEAH. 
          A COMMENT. 
          HMM. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOUR THOUGHT. 
          OH, NO, I'M FINISHED. 
          I'M FINISHED. 
          ONE THING THAT I, I SERVED ON THE OTHER MCNI PRIOR TO THIS, AND WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION AND, BUT THEN BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER FLOW, IT KIND OF FELL OFF THE TABLE LAST YEAR DURING THAT STORM, TORNADO TOUCHDOWN WITHIN SIX MILES OF MY HOUSE. 
          LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, THANK GOD IT HIT AN AREA THAT WAS WOODED AND NO RESIDENTS WERE IMPACTED. 
          THE WEATHER HAS BEEN CHANGING, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP SOME YEARS AGO. 
          WE HAVE THE CAMERA SYSTEMS. 
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TO ME, TECHNOLOGY EXISTS WHERE WE CAN ADD ALARM SYSTEMS, WEATHER ALARMING SYSTEMS TO THAT CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT A LOT OF BUILT IN INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE. 
          UH, THAT COULD HELP US A LOT, NOT ONLY FOR TORNADOES, BUT IF WE COULD, TO ME, PUBLIC COULD BE EDUCATED. 
          CERTAIN SONGS, A CERTAIN, UH, BLAST COULD MEAN CERTAIN THINGS. 
          WE NEED PUBLIC WARNING ON ISSUES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU, IF IT'S THE FELT THAT THAT'S A WORTHY CONSIDERATION, AGAIN, WITH WE HAD ADVANCED WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT AND IT COULD BE DONE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WHEN I DROVE AND SAW JUST HOW CLOSE THAT TONY, THE TOUCHDOWN FROM WHERE I LIVE, IT, IT WASN'T A COMFORTABLE FEELING. 
          AND WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL AFTER THE STORM THAT THE TORNADO HAD TOUCHED HIM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE HAD ANY SIMILAR EXPERIENCES, BUT I KNOW TO TORNADOES HAVE BEEN TOUCHING DOWN IN BEAVER COUNTY, IF YOU GET CHECKED THE RECORDS AT A MORE FREQUENT INTERVALS. 
          AND, AND, AND TO CHIME INTO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WOULD BE THE, THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, UH, IF YOU CHECK THE NEWS, UH, JUST RECENTLY CHARLESTON HAD TWO EARTHQUAKES MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST FAULT LINES IN THE COUNTRY THAT WE ARE SITTING ON. 
          UM, YOU GOT OTHER COMMUNITIES, I, I'VE TRAVELED OUT WEST AND WENT THROUGH NEBRASKA AND EVERYTHING, TORNADO ALLEY, AND WE WERE IN A PARTICULAR AREA AND THE ALARM WENT OFF WHERE WE WERE IN A SMALL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WE'RE MUCH LARGER HERE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, TACKLE THAT PARTICULAR EVENT, BUT IT SHOULD BE TACKLED BY SOMEONE THAT SOME TYPE OF ALARM SYSTEM, UM, COULD BE, I CAN TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE SEISMIC GOES AND THE EARTHQUAKES, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY MAJOR STRUCTURES, BRIDGE STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE DOT REQUIREMENTS IS TO DO A SEISMIC ANALYSIS. 
          SO THAT IS BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING EVEN AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL OR MAY, NOT RESIDENTIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THEY GENERALLY DO SOME SORT OF SEISMIC ANALYSIS ON IT. 
          AND SO THAT IS BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THE ENGINEERING CODE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE ALARM SYSTEM GOES, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED AT IT BEFORE. 
          UM, I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE FOR TRANSPORTATION REFERENDUMS. UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY QUESTION IS IF THAT WOULD COUNT AS A, OR BE ALLOWED AS A APPROVABLE TRANSPORTATION RELATED, UM, EX EXPENSE. 
          BUT I COULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          'CAUSE I PUT GOALS JUST LISTENING TO EVERYONE. 
          I, SO FAR I'VE WRITTEN SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MOVEMENT. 
          SO IF WE ABIDE OUR LIST BY THOSE TWO AND MAYBE OTHERS, IT'D BE GREAT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S UP TO US IF THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I GREW UP IN A LITTLE TOWN OF 300 AND WE HAD A TORNADO SIREN AND I HAVE PTSD OVER IT 'CAUSE IT SCARES YOU. 
          BUT, UM, IT IS INTERESTING AS, AS, AS TALENTED AS WE ARE A LITTLE TINY TOWN HEAD , BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO LOOK AT, LET'S SEE IF IT FALLS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. 
          IF NOT, I THINK WE COME TO COUNTY AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT AND ASK 'EM TO CONSIDER IT. 
          WE CAN, THEY MAY HAVE CREATED A MAJOR FORCE HERE WITH THIS 15 MEMBERS. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, I HAVE ONE. 
          COULD YOU HAVE HEARD THAT ONE? DO YOU KNOW? NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          I TALKED YOU, SO COULD YOU ACTUALLY PROVIDE US, I MEAN, WE HAVE LIMITED TIME OF MEETINGS. 
          COULD YOU ACTUALLY PROVIDE US, I MEAN, OTHERWISE I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO DELVE IN FOR HOURS INTO THESE STUDIES AND THINGS THAT PROVIDE US WITH THE LIST OF THE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE BIG ITEMS. AND I MEAN, I, I KNOW ONE OF THEM IS ONE 70 AND IT'S THE, PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE ON LATS. 
          AND ALSO IT'S LISTED I THINK AT LIKE $249 BILLION. 
          AND THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, IT WOULD KIND OF BE NICE TO KNOW. 
          SO I, OR DO I JUST USE THE 67% MATH THAT YOU GAVE US LAST TIME THAT THE PRICES ARE INCREASING. 
          SO THIS 240 MILLION, $9 MILLION PROJECT IS NOW WHATEVER TIMES, TWO YEARS. 
          AND YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE DOING ESTIMATES ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS NOW. 
          SO THAT WAY IF Y'ALL COME AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE REAL WORLD UPTODATE ESTIMATES, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT OLDER ESTIMATES. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. 
          BUT YEAH, 
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WE CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, GET YOU SOME SORT OF A LIST, UM, LOOKING AT PROJECTS. 
          WELL, AND CAN IT ALSO BE KIND OF BY, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM THE TOWN, LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE FOR BEAUFORT, KIND OF PORT ROYAL HILTON HEAD. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ON HILTON HEAD OR BLACKTON. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MIGHT NOT KNOW EVERYTHING OUT ON LADIES ISLAND. 
          I I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN A LONG TIME. 
          I KNOW IT'S GROWN. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN ALSO, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US AN ESTIMATE ON THE NUMBER OF YEARS AND TELL US LIKE IF WE DO TWO YEARS, IT WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE, I THINK YOU SAID 3 54 IS X AND JUST SO WE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US TO KIND OF LOOK AT YEP. 
          AND WHEN WE DECIDE ON THIS, UM, YEAH, LENGTH OF TIME, YEAH. 
          CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN YEAH, WE CAN GET YOU A LIST OF PROJECTS. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST EVERY MUNICIPALITY'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT LIST. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH WE GIVE YOU PROJECTS WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING MAY NOT BE ALL INCLUSIVE, BUT, AND JUST LIKE YOU JUST POINTED OUT, YOU MAY NOT KNOW LAYS ISLAND. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT EVERYWHERE. 
          WE ARE SEEING THINGS, BUT WE MAY NOT KNOW THE SMALL LITTLE INTERSECTION THAT'S IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK NEEDS A STOP SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S THE PROJECTS WHERE LIKE WE'RE REALLY GOING TO NEED Y'ALL'S INPUT ON, IT'S MAYBE THE SMALLER STUFF THAT WON'T SHOW UP IN A STUDY. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WANNA HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON STUDIES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT ALSO, BUT THOSE SMALLER LITTLE ONES, UM, THOSE ARE REALLY WHERE WE NEED YOUR EYES ON THE GROUND AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          BUT YEAH, WE CAN PROBABLY TRY TO GET YOU SOMETHING FOR THAT. 
          THE COUNTY'S PULLED TOGETHER FOR PROJECTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. 
          MR. STANFORD, LET ME GET, SORRY. 
          ASK ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF FILLING THE POT, FILLING THE BOWL WITH WHAT THE PROJECT THAT WE WANT. 
          AND I THINK FURTHER THE CONCEPT OF TAKING THE BIGGEST PROJECT AND PUTTING IT IN THE POT FIRST AND THEN BUILDING UP FROM THERE MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW TO FILL THIS THING OUT AND TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED TO ACHIEVE. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE MY APPROACH TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AFTER THAT FIRST BIG PROJECT, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE, THE TOP EIGHT OTHER PROJECTS MAYBE THAT THE COUNTY HAS AND THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM OTHER, OTHER SOURCES. 
          SO, BECAUSE IF WE GET HUNDREDS OF THESE THINGS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. 
          UH, SO IF WE CAN GET THE PRIORITIES ON THOSE THINGS, IT'LL BE MOST USEFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THAT. 
          I THINK WHEN EVERYONE SEES A LIST AND I, I, I GUESS I COME FROM A DIFFERENT, I'VE GONE TO EVERY LA MEETING THEY'VE HAD UNTIL I WAS NO LONGER MAYOR. 
          IT DOES MAKE SENSE. 
          AND LISTENING TO YOU, YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE US OR SUGGEST TO US TO GET THESE STUDIES, LOOK AT THE ZERO TO 10, LOOK AT ZERO TO FIVE FIRST AND SEE WHAT HAS ALREADY, IT'S ALMOST IN THE QUEUE, ALMOST SHOVEL READY. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE REALLY GONNA APPROACH IT THAT WAY. 
          AND THEN WE ARE TO LOOK IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE ON HILTON HEAD? WHAT DO YOU SEE ON ST. 
          HELENA? WHAT DO YOU SEE IN BLUFFTON THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE EVERY DAY AND YOU JUST CAN'T BE THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT AS A GROUP. 
          WHEN YOU SEE THESE STUDIES AND THEY WILL BE DESIGNATED LIKE S AS STATE ROAD BE L IS BLUFFTON AND B IS BEAUFORT B MAYBE BI DON'T KNOW, BC IS BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA REALLY START SEEING THE DESIGNATIONS OF WHERE ALL THE HARD WORK'S BEEN PUT. 
          AND WHAT WE CAN PRO ALSO DO IS GENERALLY MOST OF THESE STUDIES GET BOILED DOWN INTO A TWO PAGE LIST OF PROJECTS. 
          SO WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GO THROUGH AND TRY TO PULL THOSE LISTS OUT FOR YOU, UM, AND GET THOSE, YOU KNOW, EASILY EASIER TO DIGEST IN ADDITION TO ANY, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION WE MAY HAVE, GET YOU THOSE INDIVIDUAL LISTS, UM, AND GET YOU JUST A STACK OF 10 PAGES VERSUS THOUSANDS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE TWO OR THREE HERE AND DEFINITELY THE THREE THAT WERE ON THE COMMITTEE LAST YEAR, UM, OR THE LAST TIME IT WAS SET UP. 
          AND I TOLD Y'ALL IN AN EMAIL, IF YOU WANNA SIT WITH ME, I CAN KIND OF MAKE SENSE OF IT. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU A TRANSPORTATION FOR DUMMIES. 
          'CAUSE I HAD TO GET IT. 
          I'M FINE TO SIT AND SHOW YOU KIND OF THE MATH, THE MADNESS TO IT ALL. 
          UM, IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR NEXT MEETING WE'RE GONNA HEAR ALL FOUR TOWNS. 
          I KNOW FROM, I'LL WAIT TO MY TURN, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM ALL FOUR TOWNS. 
          AND THEN I'M GUESSING WE'RE GONNA SEE THE COUNTY'S REQUEST QUICKLY. 
          'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE IT. 
          SO THE LAST THING, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THIS EVERY MEETING. 
          IF WE HAVE TIME AND YOU DON'T, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN JUST PASS. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD IF EVERYONE HAD THEIR OWN TWO MINUTES TO SAY, WELL, I SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW JUDGE KLEIN IS DIRT ROADS. 
          I KNOW IT, BUT YOU CAN SAY IT AGAIN. 
          WHAT'S IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT YOU'D LIKE THEM TO CAPTURE ON THE MINUTES AND PUT ON THE LIST FOR US TO HAVE WHEN WE GET THIS LARGE LIST? SO I'M GONNA THROW Y'ALL UNDER THE BUS TODAY AND WE'RE 
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GONNA START IT TODAY. 
          SO JUDGE KLINE, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL AGAIN, THE FOCUS IS RURAL COMMUNITIES HAVE, WE'VE WALKED DIRT ROADS SINCE DIRT ROADS WAS DIRT. 
          UM, IT'S UPON A TIME. 
          UH, THE SECOND THING IS WILL BRANCH SHIRLEY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S A HIGH SCHOOL IN NORTHERN BEAUFORD COUNTY. 
          UH, AND AND WE ARE 12 YEARS OLD, NO, 15 YEARS OLD. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE NEED MORE SIDEWALKS. 
          UH, SO DEFINITELY, UH, WE HAVE KIDS THAT WALK TO SCHOOL ON A VERY BUSY ROADWAY. 
          WE HAVE SOME IMMEDIATE SITE SIDEWALK WALKING, SOME OF WHICH CAME WITH THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SCHOOL, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. 
          SO THAT'S A MAJOR ALONG WITH THE INTEREST THAT I HAVE BROUGHT FORTH ALREADY. 
          UM, THE OTHER MAJOR AREA IS WHEN THERE'S ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS TO BE SUFFICIENT DRAINAGE WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER MOVES AWAY FROM THE ROAD AND DOESN'T FLOOD THE THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND IF ANY OTHERS, AS WE GO THROUGH IT, YOU ADD TO IT EVERY, EVERY MEETING. 
          SO I'LL GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES EVERY MEETING. 
          WELL, I'LL SAVE SOME FOR THE NEXT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. JONES, MY CONCERN ARE TWO AREAS. 
          UM, AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS. 
          ONE IS THE COWEN CREEK BRIDGE, COMMON CREEK, COWEN COWAN, COOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, CHOW ONE. 
          UM, IF YOU'VE EVER SAT ON THE LADIES ISLAND SIDE AND COULDN'T GO ON ST. 
          HELENA BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT HAS OCCURRED OUT IN THE COMMONS AREA, YOU CAN'T GO BECAUSE, AND IF, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE PASSED, THE MIDDLE LANE ONLY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAN ST HE SIDE. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T CONNECT ON THAT BRIDGE. 
          SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY LAYING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BRIDGE FOR SAFETY SAKE. 
          NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, I'LL BRING UP THE FOLKS ON WASAW. 
          THOSE FOLKS ARE IN PERILOUS SITUATION WHEN IT FLOODS. 
          UH, UM, GOD FORBID THAT THERE IS AN EMERGENCY THAT HAPPENS OVER THERE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE A WISH. 
          IT SHOULDA, COULDA, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT HAPPENS. 
          BUT I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING NOW TO, TO, UM, MITIGATE IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE TWO ISSUES I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MS. SANDERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UM, A COUPLE AREAS, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR THAT I WILL BE LOOKING FOR AS WELL, UH, WILL BE, UH, SAVANNAH HIGHWAY AND PARA ISLAND GATEWAY, THAT INTERSECTION LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS FOR SAFETY AND MOVEMENT OF, OF THE TRAFFIC, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, REBO ROAD AND LADIES ISLAND DRIVE, SPECIFICALLY, UM, TWO INTERSECTIONS FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MOVEMENT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, ALSO AT SAVANNAH HIGHWAY AND ONE 70 AS WELL FOR SAFETY, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN FROM SAVANNAH HIGHWAY ON THE ONE 70. 
          YOU CAN'T, IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND IT'S A YIELD THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT A, NOT A ACCELERATION LANE, BUT JUST A YIELD FOR TO ENTER ONE 70. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. REEVES, ANYTHING TODAY? UH, YEAH, I'M IN, I'M IN OCA TOO. 
          THE DISTRICT FIVE. 
          I GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS. 
          . 
          YEAH, I BET. 
          LEAVING THE HOUSE. 
          HOUSE. 
          I'VE GOT, UH, I GOT 4 62 IN ONE 70. 
          YES. 
          A CONCERN. 
          I GOT ARGENT ROAD AND ONE 70 A CONCERN. 
          I GOT OLDFIELD LIGHT IN ONE 70. 
          I GOT CAMP ST. 
          MARY'S ROAD IN ONE 70. 
          UH, AND I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DEVELOPERS AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BEAUFORT COUNTY AND JASPER COUNTY IN THE SOUTH CAROLINA, DOT AND HOW THEY APPROVE, UH, INGRESS, EGRESS ONTO THE HIGHWAY WITH NO DECELERATION LANES AND NO ACCELERATION LANES AND NO LIGHTS, AND IT'S A MESS. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          GOOD INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. FOREST, NOT MAYOR, YOU DON'T WANT ME TO START HERE? YEAH, WELL YOU'RE UP. 
          YOU HAVE TO . 
          YOU CAN SAY DITTO. 
          OH, NO, NO. 
          THANK YOU CRAIG. 
          UM, I HAVE A COUPLE MAJOR CONCERNS. 
          I COME FROM A DIFFERENT 
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PERSPECTIVE. 
          UH, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? EVERY ELECTION CYCLE IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          WE DON'T REALLY ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEM OF STATE FUNDING. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE AT THE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE ALWAYS HEAR ME SAY, ISN'T THAT A STATE ROAD? UM, SO I I I'VE GOT A ISSUE WITH, UM, HOW DO WE SOLVE THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY ELECTION. 
          THE OTHER THING YOU TALKED, I BELIEVE, ABOUT FOUR CATEGORIES AROUND THIS TABLE TODAY, SYSTEM PRESERVATION, WIDENING, AND PERHAPS MAJOR RECONSTRUCTIONS, INTELLIGENT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, WHICH INCLUDES SIGNALIZATION, BY THE WAY. 
          AND ARE THERE ANY NEW ROADS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? SO I'LL BE LOOKING PROBABLY NOT AT PROJECT SPECIFIC TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT MORE ALONG RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I BELIEVE, I THINK LISA SAID, KEEPS US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW PATH HOPEFULLY. 
          AND, UH, I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DON'T BE MS. CO. 
          UM, YEAH, I WAS IN LOOKING AT THIS JUST IN THE, UM, BLUFFTON AREA. 
          IT SEEMS THAT THE PROBLEMS IS MORE WITH THE EAST WEST CONNECTIONS THAN THE NORTH SOUTH CONNECTIONS. 
          AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, BUT, UM, 46 THAT COMES INTO, UM, OFF OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, SHOULD MAYBE LOOKED AT BEING WIDENED. 
          I KNOW IT'S A SCENIC HIGHWAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BLUE RIDGE PARKWAY IS A SCENIC HIGHWAY AND IT'S FOUR LANES. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE, TO ME, A BETTER USE OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE. 
          ANOTHER WAY TO GET INTO, YOU KNOW, FROM SAVANNAH THROUGH BLUFF INTO HILTON HEAD, WHICH IS, OR AWAY FROM HILTON HEAD. 
          AND, UM, UM, JUST TO STICK TO THE, THE REASONING OF THE, OF THIS TAX IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS BASICALLY FOR, UH, PAVING, DIRT ROADS, REPAVING, WIDENING, UM, RESURFACING AND SAFETY, I THINK WERE THE FOUR INTERSECTION. 
          OH, THAT WE REALLY TRY TO FOCUS ON THAT. 
          AND I KNOW EVERYBODY THAT DEFINITELY THE ONE 70 PROJECT IS BIG AND IS GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          BUT I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THINGS OVER IN BEAUFORT AND LADIES ISLAND, PORT ROYAL ARE IMPORTANT TOO. 
          SO, UM, MAYBE WE HAVE TO PICK UP ONE BIG PROJECT FROM EACH PLACE SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS REPRESENTED. 
          I GO LAST, MR. STAMFORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AM NOT GONNA START OFF TALKING ABOUT THE HILTON HEAD BRIDGES. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          BUT I AM GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CARTER 2 78 FROM THE END OF THE BRIDGE, UH, DOWN TO SPANISH WELLS ROAD. 
          UH, THAT'S A MAJOR CONGESTION POINT. 
          THE INTERSECTION WITH SQUIRE FOLK ROAD DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE REARRANGED AND REORIENTED. 
          THE CARTER NEEDS TO BE WIDENED ALONG THERE. 
          THAT'S A CHOKE POINT EVERY MORNING, EVERY EVENING. 
          AND THERE ARE LOTS OF DANGEROUS, UH, UH, WRECKS THERE. 
          AND SO, UH, THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN PRIORITIES I'VE GOT. 
          I'M ALSO GONNA MENTION FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, SEA PINE CIRCLE, SEA PINE CIRCLE IS A DISASTER. 
          UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO IT. 
          UH, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO PLAY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. 
          OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I'VE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          NONE OF WHOM HAVE THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT CRAIG HAS. 
          THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEADS. 
          AND SO I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO BE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE AND WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE AND COMING FORWARD WITH A RATIONAL APPROACH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PERRY. 
          ANYTHING? EXCUSE ME. 
          I'M, I'M ONE OF THE ONES WHO SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE LAST TIME. 
          UH, AND THE LAST TIME WAS 2022, WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE LAST TIME. 
          BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, TAKING THAT AS SORT OF A BASELINE, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PRO OF DESERVING PROJECTS. 
          LIKE I AGREE WITH JERRY, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO DO. 
          UH, THE TENSION COMES WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTS AND WE PROJECT HOW THEY WILL BE RECEIVED BY THE PUBLIC IN ORDER TO VOTE FOR THEM, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST WASTING OUR TIME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE THE PACKAGE THAT WE COME UP WITH ACCEPTABLE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT IS, I THINK EINSTEIN SAID THE DEFINITION OF STUPIDITY IS KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, EXPECTING A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 
          UH, AND ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, AND ANYWAY, SO I FIND OURSELVES IN, IN, I 
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FIND MYSELF IN SORT OF THE POSITION OF SAYING, YEAH, THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A, WITH A PRESENTATION OR A FORMAT THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE, THAT EDUCATES THE PEOPLE AS TO THE ADVANTAGES OF WHAT THIS IS. 
          AND IT'S TO EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE TO, UH, BUY INTO WHATEVER IT IS WE COME UP WITH. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME, UH, THEY'RE COMING. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ONLY, UH, THE LIFESTYLE OR OUR LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. 
          NOT JUST HILTON HEAD, NOT JUST, UH, THE MAGIC TRIANGLE, UH, BUT EVERYWHERE, UH, THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE VALID POINTS, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA MAKE THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE A LOT BETTER AND THEN PROCEED WITH THAT TO, UH, PRESENT IT TO THE COUNTY, TO THE POPULAR, TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY SO THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN TOO. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU MS. ERICKSON. 
          KUDOS TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL IS SO IMPORTANT IS TRUST. 
          UM, I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE 2018, UM, BREAKDOWN, 80 MILLION TOWARDS THE 2 78 CORRIDOR AND THE BRIDGE AREA. 
          30 MILLION FOR LADIES ISLAND CORRIDOR AND 10 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER SPEAKING TO ALAN PERRY TODAY, I SAID, DID YOU EVER SEE ANY MONEY? NO. 
          NO, NO. 
          UM, SO, UM, I ALSO ECHO THE SAME FEELINGS AND, UM, PRIORITIES AS GLEN HERE, BUT I DO THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GUARDRAILS PUT ON THINGS AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY, AND I DON'T MEAN IN A TRANSPORTATION TYPE OF THING. 
          I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK BELIEVABILITY, I THINK GETTING A JOB DONE. 
          UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, TUCK IS CHEAP, BUT THE PRICE TAG ISN'T. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          YES. 
          UM, REPRESENTING THE CITY, A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE CITY HAD A, UH, PLANNING RETREAT AND THEY IDENTIFIED FIVE OR SIX, UH, PRIORITY, UM, TRAFFIC RELATED THINGS, AND I'M GONNA DIVE DEEPER, BUT THAT ONE WAS REBO ROAD, UM, AND NOT REIMAGINE REBO ROAD. 
          THEY MADE IT VERY SPECIFIC THAT ALTHOUGH I, I LIVE ON REBO ROAD, I DISAGREED WITH 99.9% OF THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT, THAT DIDN'T SUPPORT RE UH, REIMAGINE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS. 
          AND THEN TWO CONNECTORS, SALEM ROAD STREET LIGHTING, SYNCHRONIZED SIGNALS, AND A THIRD BRIDGE. 
          AND I CAN IMAGINE THIRD BRIDGE IS NOT GONNA BE A HIGH PRIORITY, UH, PROBABLY WITH THIS. 
          BUT, UM, WHAT MR. STANFORD SAID EARLIER, I, I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LAND ON ONE MAJOR, MAJOR PRODUCT THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY COULD SUPPORT. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROPORTIONAL OR SOMEWHAT, OR AT LEAST REPRESENTATIVE OF EACH MUNICIPALITIES AND ALL OF THE DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTY TO GET THAT BUY-IN. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMEBODY FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THE SEA PINES CIRCLE, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET A LOT OF SUPPORT UNLESS THEY WORKED THERE, UH, OR HAD A SECOND HOME THERE OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE FILL THAT BOWL, I THINK THE ANALOGY WAS GOOD, FILL THAT, FILL THE BOWL, FILL THE POT WITH THE MAJOR PRODUCT, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S ONE 70, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD ARGUE THAT'S EVER TRAVELED ON ONE 70, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE ONE THAT WE COULD COME TO TERMS WITH AS BEING THE PRIORITY. 
          BUT BEYOND THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO GET THE VOTE THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY, THE GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. 
          AND THAT THAT MEANS PICKING A PROJECT OR PROJECTS FROM EVERY AREA OF THE COUNTY AND GIVING THEM SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S RESURFACING OR SURFACING A, YOU KNOW, AN UNPAVED ROAD THAT'S LONG OVERDUE OR SYNCHRONIZING LIGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, AN INTERSECTION. 
          THAT SHOULD BE THE PRIORITY. 
          AND I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SERVED ON THIS, BUT I HOPE THAT WOULD BE THE CHARGE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. 
          HOW DO WE FILL THAT, YOU KNOW, DO THE MAIN PROJECT AND THEN GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS SO THEY CAN HAVE THE BUY-IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          MR. GLENN. 
          I FIRST WANT TO SAY, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE IN BLUFFTON TELL ME THAT THEY WISH THE MAY RIVER CIRCLE AND BLUFFTON CIRCLE WERE DESIGNED JUST LIKE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THAT WORKS SO MUCH BETTER, . 
          I WAS ABSOLUTELY GONNA SAY THAT HERE. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO PASS THEM ALONG THAT THE TOWN OF HILTON AND THINK IT'S A DISASTER. 
          SO, OH, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN HAVE OUR CIRCLE. 
          I WISH I A A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I'M GONNA BE, I'M GONNA BE VERY ANXIOUS TO SEE THE LIST OF PROJECTS AS THEY ARE. 
          UM, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY, UH, SON, UH, ONE OF MY SONS IS A, UH, SERGEANT IN THE BLUFFTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND A MILESTONE, UH, BLUFFTON TOWNSHIP FIRE COMMISSIONER. 
          AND BETWEEN 
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THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAN TELL YOU, BLUFFTON PARKWAY, BUCK WATER PARKWAY, MAY RIVER ROAD, ARE THE MAIN PROBLEMS THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL AS ONE 70, THE SHORT SECTION THAT BLUFFTON CONTROLS AS FAR AS LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO I'M GONNA BE ASKED TO SEE THOSE PROJECTS TAKEN BACK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TO CHIEF BABITZ AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR PRIORITIES OR OUR PRIORITIES SHOULD BE AS FAR AS POLICE AND FIRE ARE CONCERNED? WONDERFUL. 
          SO YES, SIR. 
          MR. HARDIN, YOU'RE IT, I HAVE, UH, MY, MY ONLY SON JUST TURNED 16. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC, OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION IN, IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, UM, IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED, I WANT TO MENTION, I WOULD HOPE THAT AS WE CONCLUDE, UM, OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UH, COME UP WITH PROJECTS AND, AND THINGS THAT SPAN ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. 
          SO EVERYONE IS AFFECTED. 
          UM, BEING, BEING THE, I AM A RESIDENT OF SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, WHICH SOME OF YOU HAVE HAVE MENTIONED. 
          HI, HIGHWAY 46 BEING ONE OF THEM, SPECIFICALLY THE 46 CORRIDOR AT ONE 70 AND THE 46 CORRIDOR, UH, AT BUCK WALTER. 
          UH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS WITH, WITH THE 1 74 62 CORRIDOR AS WELL, UH, SPEND A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIME, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN, I HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME, WELL, I'LL END IT. 
          UM, BLUFFTON IS GONNA BE VERY EASY BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY INVOLVED WITH LATS AND OWN THAT LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          THERE'S A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT HILTON HEAD, THE STATE, BLUFFTON, BEAUFORT, PORT ROYAL, UM, AND BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA REALLY FOCUS ON INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WIDENING ONE SEVEN, Y'ALL, WE'VE ALL SAID IT. 
          1 70 46. 
          YES, IT IS A SCENIC PI, BUT WITH RESPONSIBILITY AND MAKING IT LOOK GOOD, IT WON'T BE JUST A SWATH OF ROADWAY. 
          SO I, I DO THINK THAT CIRCLE IS A MESS. 
          UM, IF JARED WAS HERE, I TOOK HIM AROUND IT ONE DAY TO SHOW HIM HOW INSANELY CRAZY IT WAS. 
          AND I THOUGHT WE HAD A, A RESPONSE SIMMONS ROAD INTERSECTION, BUCK ISLAND ROAD INTERSECTION, 1 70 46, THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE FOUR THAT THE TOWN WANTS ME TO, TO ADD TO THE LIST. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY EASY FROM THE BLUFFTON ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNTY WILL HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE. 
          UM, AND I DO WANT PATHWAYS, WHEREVER STATE ROADS ARE, I'M A BIG PROPONENT FOR PATHWAYS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THE SIZE THAT THE BIKING GROUP WANTS, BUT, UM, A SIDEWALK TO A PATHWAY, IT JUST WALKING IS TRANSPORTATION TOO. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT. 
          AND I DO AGREE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WISHES, BUT LET'S REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN BE HAPPY AND SUPPORTIVE OF THAT MAKES ALL THE SHIPS RISE. 
          AND ALL OF OUR BEAUFORT COUNTY RESIDENTS REALIZE THEY ARE LISTENED TO. 
          AND I DO THINK OUR RURAL AREAS AND OUR DIRT ROADS, I USED TO LIVE ON ONE AND IT TOOK AN ACT OF GOD TO GET IT PAVED, TOOK A DEVELOPER TO GET IT, AND ANY, THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN DIDN'T. 
          SO I, I DO HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THAT. 
          PEOPLE NEED TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LISTENED TO. 
          WE JUST MIGHT NOT GET 'EM ALL ON OUR LIST, BUT WE ARE GONNA FIND OTHER WAYS. 
          I THINK WE CAN WORK TO FIND WAYS TO GET THESE THINGS DONE IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT ON OUR LIST. 
          AND IF WE DO PASS THIS AND THERE IS TRUST AND YOU SEE THE CONES GO UP QUICKLY, THIS SHOULD BE A CONTINUING PENNY EVERY SIX, EIGHT YEARS, THERE SHOULD BE A PENNY. 
          ALWAYS. 
          BECAUSE NOW THAT THE CONSTITUENTS ARE GONNA SEE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THINGS. 
          SO MY HOPE, THIS IS A BIG YEAR AND WE GOTTA HAVE A LOT OF TRUST. 
          TRUST IS THE KEY. 
          SO, UM, IF ANYTHING ELSE, IF NOT, I'M GONNA ADJOURN THIS BABY, MR. REEVE, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS, NOT GIVE HIM SAY YES ON LOVE IT. 
          AND, AND I THINK, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T HERE THE LAST TIME I DID, I DID LOOK AND, AND LISTEN, I WAS EDUCATED THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE, STATE ROADS ARE, ARE NOT FUNDED BY THE STATE. 
          THE STATE HAS, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. 
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SO THE COUNTY HAS TO PICK UP SOME OF THE STUFF. 
          FOLKS NEED TO KNOW THAT YES, THAT UM, THE REASON WHY, UH, THAT ROAD IS NOT BEING DONE IS NOT BECAUSE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. 
          AND THEY DID THE TRICKLE DOWN, UM, MODEL OF TRICKLING THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COUNTY TO DO IT. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'VE GOT TO HELP GET THAT WORD OUT AS WELL. 
          GIVE THE FOLKS THE CARROT TO WANT TO, UM, DO THE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          UH, DON'T BE AFRAID TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          DON'T, I MEAN, I THINK THE COUNCIL, FROM WHAT I HEAR, THEY WANT US TO, TO BE THE ADVOCATES ON THIS. 
          UM, I THINK ANYONE ON THE STAFF WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE US BULLET POINTS ON THINGS. 
          AND I THINK THE DROPBOX IS GONNA BE HELPFUL 'CAUSE ALL OUR PRESENTATIONS ARE IN THERE LOOKING BACK ON THE COUNTY CHANNEL AND RELOOKING, I HAD TO RELOOK AT THE MEETING MYSELF AND I WAS HERE AND I WANTED, I COULDN'T REMEMBER HALF OF WHAT WAS SAID, BUT, UM, GO BACK AND LOOK. 
          IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND I CANNOT THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT, WHO ASKED US TO SIT HERE BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP. 
          YES, I DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. 
          THE OVERAGE THAT WE HAD COLLECTED FROM THE TAX IN 2018, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A PROJECTED CLOSE TO $30 MILLION AND, UM, I'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE AND THERE'S A BIG QUESTION MARK AT TIMES, AND I I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IF INDEED THAT COMES UP AGAIN, IF SOMETHING IS PASSED, WE NEED STIPULATIONS ON WHAT, WHERE THAT GOES? LIKE WHO CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON WHAT HAPPENED? YEAH, SO ANY OVER COLLECTION FROM THE 2018 TAX HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO OTHER PROJECTS ON THE REFERENDUM. 
          UM, AND ANY OVER COLLECTION, OR IF A PROJECT IS UNDERFUNDED, THAT HAS TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL FOR A VOTE TO SEE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AND PUT IT ON A COMPLETELY NEW PROJECT. 
          IT HAS TO GO TO ANOTHER ONE OF THE PROJECTS ON THE REFERENDUM. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S IN THE STATE LAW AS WELL. 
          BUT UM, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER TWO PROJECTS WERE THE LADIES ISLAND CORRIDOR, UM, THAT WAS 30 MILLION AND THEN 10 MILLION FOR PROJECTS LIKE PATHWAYS AND WALKWAYS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          OF THOSE OTHER TWO PROJECTS, ARE THOSE COMPLETED TO THIS DATE? THEY'RE STILL IN PROGRESS. 
          UH, WE JUST ACTUALLY THE TWO INTERSECTIONS DOWN, WE JUST COMPLETED A PATHWAY ON DEPOT ROAD GOING FROM REBO DOWN TO SPANISH MOUNTS TRAIL. 
          UM, SO IT'S ONE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED. 
          WE'RE IN PROGRESS ON A PATHWAY ON ALL JOY ROAD RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND THE REST OF 'EM ARE IN SOME STAGE OF DESIGN OR RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND LADIES ISLAND, IT'S STILL IN DESIGN AND RIGHT AWAY? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          IS YOUR PENNY.COM AND MAYBE GIVE US THAT LINK TOO. 
          IS THAT UPDATED REGULARLY? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WILL HELP US TOO, EVEN WITH THE NEW ADDRESS OF LIKE WHAT PROJECTS YOU'RE WORKING ON FROM 18, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN THAT YES, MA'AM. 
          THEY'VE, THEY'VE UPDATED IT WITH THE NEW REFERENDUM AND OR RESOLUTION FROM, UH, LAST YEAR AND THEN WE WILL BE DOING OUR QUARTERLY UPDATE TO, UH, COUNSEL AT THE PFC MEETING IN MARCH. 
          GREAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? UM, CAN I SAY ONE MORE? YES. 
          UM, WELL ONE, JUST IN LOOKING AT PRIOR SALES TAXES THAT PASSED, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE A SMALL AMOUNT OF PROJECTS OTHER THAN THE 18 ONE, SO I JUST THINK PEOPLE SHOULD, I MEAN WE SHOULD REPRESENT EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT LIST KIND OF SMALL. 
          I MEAN, NOT HUMONGOUS. 
          I MEAN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE LIKE EIGHT MAY, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE SOME MORE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THING IS, IS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO, BUT OF PROJECTS, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN NOT THAT MANY DEPENDING, UH, IF YOU GET US SOME COST ESTIMATES, WOULD, WOULD WE HAVE THAT BY THE NEXT MEETING? SOME OF THESE COST ESTIMATES, WE MAY HAVE SOME OF THEM. 
          UM, I GOT AN UPDATE TODAY AND THEY'RE, AND THE ORIGINAL ARE THEIR FIRST REVIEW, SO, UM, THEY SAID THEY HOPED TO HAVE 'EM EARLY NEXT WEEK, SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE'LL HAVE 'EM BY THE NEXT MEETING, UM, NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, AND YEAH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE PREVIOUS SALES TAXES. 
          I WASN'T WITH THE COUNTY AT THE TIME, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          GOING BACK TO 2006 AND 2008, THEY WERE FOCUSED MORE ON LARGER PROJECTS. 
          THE ONE 70 WIDENING AND THE BROAD RIVER BRIDGE, UM, 17 AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN 2018 DID KIND OF STEP OUT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS THE BIG PROJECT WITH THE BRIDGE IN THERE, BUT, UM, IT DID HAVE A LOT OF SMALLER PROJECTS ON THERE. 
          UM, I SAY SMALLER, I MEAN STILL SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS, PATHWAYS 
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT ALSO, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE OLDER SALES TAXES, YOU WERE COLLECTING TWO YEARS, 40 MILLION, YOU KNOW, A LARGER COLLECTION NOW. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AS WELL. 
          BUT YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          THE, UH, OLDER PROJECTS, OUR SALES TAXES WERE MORE REFINED, UH, SEVERAL LARGER PROJECTS AND, UM, 2018 KIND OF, I I, I THINK WITH THE, THE DEFINED AREA, LIKE REALLY SAYING NOT JUST 10 MILLION IN PATHWAYS, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PATHWAY ON REBOOT OF 21, THIS RED LIGHT TO THIS RED LIGHT VERY DEFINED. 
          AND I THINK MR. MORE EVEN SAID IT COULD GO ON THE REFERENDUM THAT WAY. 
          JUST VERY DEFINED, UM, TOUTING OUR PROGRESS. 
          I KNOW I MENTIONED AFTER THE MEETING LAST TIME, WE ARE, WE NEED SIGNS UP. 
          WE NEED, WE CAN'T, THE 15 OF US CAN'T TELL EVERYBODY WHERE ARE THE SIGNS? YOUR PENNY AT WORK OR WHATEVER. 
          AND, UM, GETTING STUFF STARTED QUICK, NOT GOING EIGHT YEARS AFTER THE PENNY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT, Y'ALL. 
          I KNOW WE WILL. 
          WE MIGHT ALL LEAVE WITH LIKE, OOH, BUT IF, UM, IF ALL OF US ARE A LITTLE ANGST OVER NOT GETTING SOMETHING, THAT MEANS WE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          WE ALL NEED TO HURT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, WELL SAID. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GONNA ADJOURN. 
          WE, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON FEBRUARY 24TH, THE TOWN HALL AT PORT ROYAL. 
          UM, AND THEY WILL PRESENT AND THEY, I DOUBT THAT IT'LL TAKE ALL TWO HOURS, SO PERHAPS WE CAN PULL IN SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE. 
          CTC. 
          UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I WAS AT THE CONVERGE TODAY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, MEETING 500 PE 500 PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTY. 
          IT WAS WONDERFUL. 
          UM, WAS THERE, AND, UM, NOW I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GONNA TELL YOU. 
          OH, UM, JOCELYN STEIGER WAS THERE. 
          WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. 
          IF WE DON'T DO OTHER PROJECTS, THIS ISN'T GONNA PASS. 
          THEY DID A SURVEY. 
          THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE BY FAR WAS TRANSPORTATION. 
          THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON DID A SURVEY. 
          THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WAS TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE THAT. 
          IT'D BE SOMETHING MAYBE TO GO BACK TO YOUR TEAM TO TALK TO OR THE COUNTY, BUT IT IS PREVALENT AND THEY LIVE AND BREATHE IT. 
          AND WE ALL, WE ALL WILL LIVE AND BREATHE IT WHEN YOU COME TO BLUFFTON. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRAVEL ONE 70. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          HOLD ON. 
          LISA, YOU SAID THE 24TH OF 25TH. 
          I SAID FEBRUARY 25TH. 
          DID I SAY I MEANT 25TH? YOU SAID 24TH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT, LINDA. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS ON THE SHEET. 
          Y'ALL, I YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE CHANGING IT. 
          NO. 
          FEBRUARY 25TH, ONE TO THREE PORT ROYAL TOWN HALL DRIVE. 
          15 AND A. 
          WHERE IS OUR PORT ROYAL? OH, HE'S NOT HERE. 
          15 AND A HALF MILES AN HOUR ON THAT ROAD. 
          ARE YOU GONNA GET A TICKET? UM, I'M, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          THERE IS A MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          WE'RE DONE. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANKS FOR WATCHING BEAUFORT COUNTY TV. 
          THIS IS LARRY ROWLAND AND THIS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT. 
          ONE OF THE, UH, MOST FASCINATING ARTIFACTS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE ARE THE RUINS OF THE OLD SHELDON CHURCH. 
          THE PROPER NAME IS THE PARISH CHURCH OF PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH, SOUTH CAROLINA. 
          PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH WAS FOUNDED IN 1745. 
          IN RESPONSE, IT WAS THE SECOND ANGLICAN PARISH IN THE BEAUFORT DISTRICT. 
          AFTER ST. 
          HELENA PARISH FOUNDED IN 1712, THE ORIGINAL PARISH, PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH IN 1745 WAS IN THE MIDST OF AN ECONOMIC BOOM BECAUSE RICE PLANTATION SURROUNDED THE SITE ON HUSSAH NECK, WHERE THE CHURCH EVENTUALLY WAS BUILT, AND THOSE RICE PLANTERS WERE VERY WEALTHY. 
          IN 1745, THE COMMONS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHED PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH, AND IN 1751, THEY LAID THE CORNERSTONE FOR PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH. 
          THE CHURCH WAS FINISHED BY 1755 AND WELL APPOINTED. 
          IT HAS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING 
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THE FIRST OR OLDEST TEMPLE FORM GREEK REVIVAL BUILDING IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. 
          SO THAT RUINED AT SHELDON, WHICH FASCINATES PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FASCINATE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF A TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IN AMERICAN PUBLIC BUILDINGS. 
          PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH, OR THE OLD SHELDON RUINS, WAS BURNED BY BRITISH TORRIES DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IN 1779, IT LAYIN RUINS UNTIL 1826. 
          CHARLES FRAZIER, THE FAMOUS LOW COUNTRY ARTIST, PAINTED A PICTURE OF IT IN 1819 AFTER IT WAS RESTORED TO USE AND SERVICES. 
          IN 1826, HE CAME AND LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, MY GOD, THEY'VE TAKEN A BEAUTIFUL RUIN AND TURNED IT INTO AN UGLY CHURCH. 
          SO THE UNION ARMY AND THE EVENTS OF THE CIVIL WAR RESTORED IT TO A BEAUTIFUL RUIN. 
          WE THOUGHT FOR MANY YEARS THAT PRINCE WILLIAM PARISH CHURCH HAD BEEN BURNED BY SHERMAN'S FORCES AS THEY MARCHED THROUGH THIS DISTRICT. 
          THAT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE TRUE. 
          THE CHURCH WAS INTACT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR AND WAS DISMANTLED BY LOCAL FOLKS WHO USED THE PARTS OF THE CHURCH TO BUILD THEIR HOMES AND BARNS. 
          AND SO THE WOOD BASICALLY WAS TAKEN OUT. 
          THE ROOF FELL IN THE CHURCH, BECAME A RUIN, AND WAS IN DISUSE UNTIL MODERN TIMES IT HAS REMAINED. 
          AS CHARLES FRASER SAID, A BEAUTIFUL AND ENTICING RUIN. 
          THIS IS LARRY ROLAND. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT. 
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