Feb 04, 2026 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

UM, AND SO OUR DELIVERABLES THEN INCLUDE A SURVEY REPORT, UH, AND SURVEY FORMS FOR DOCUMENTED PROPERTIES, UM, USING, UH, A FORM THAT THE STATE PROVIDES.

SO ONTO OUR, UM, MAIN PROJECT TASKS, UM, WE, IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION COVERED OUR METHODOLOGY IN DETAIL, SO I WILL BE MORE BRIEF THIS TIME.

UM, SO THE, THE SURVEY PROJECT HAD FOUR MAIN TASKS.

UM, THESE ARE THE TYPICAL TASKS THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE RECOMMENDS FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS.

THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

UM, SO THE FIRST TASK IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH.

UM, SO WE, UM, DID THINGS LIKE A PRESS RELEASE, UM, THAT WAS, UH, WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.

UM, WE, UM, SOLICITED, UH, INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE.

UH, PEOPLE SEND US THINGS VIA EMAIL ABOUT PROPERTIES IN THE SURVEY AREA.

UM, WE ALSO DID ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS WITH VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT, UM, THE TOWN IDENTIFIED AS GOOD CANDIDATES, UM, FOR TALKING ABOUT THE, THE HISTORY OF OLD TOWN.

UM, THE NEXT MAIN TASK THAT WE UNDERTOOK WAS OUR HISTORIC CONTEXT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO THERE WE CONDUCTED EXTENSIVE ARCHIVAL AND SECONDARY SOURCE RESEARCH, UH, AND WE PREPARED A HISTORIC CONTEXT.

UM, A HISTORIC CONTEXT IS BASICALLY JUST A WRITTEN NARRATIVE THAT IDENTIFIES MAJOR HISTORICAL TRENDS IN, UM, HISTORY.

UM, SO IN THIS CASE, BLUFFTON HISTORY, RIGHT? UM, WE, WHEN WE DO HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS, WE USE A HISTORIC CONTEXT AS THE FRAMEWORK AGAINST WHICH WE EVALUATE PROPERTIES FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.

UM, SO, UH, CONTEXT FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT MEANT TO BE EXHAUSTIVE HISTORICAL NARRATIVES LIKE A DISSERTATION OR, OR A BOOK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT RATHER THEY ARE OF SUFFICIENT DEPTH AND BREADTH, UH, SO AS TO SERVE AS A TOOL FOR IDENTIFYING, UM, WHICH PROPERTIES MIGHT BE HISTORIC AND WHICH ONES, UM, WOULDN'T BE.

UM, OUR NEXT STEP WAS THE ACTUAL SURVEY FIELD WORK ITSELF.

UM, SO THAT INVOLVED, UM, VISITING BLUFFTON AND LAYING EYES ON ALL PROPERTIES IN OLD TOWN, VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND THEN WE DOCUMENTED SELECT PROPERTIES, UH, FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THOSE INCLUDED PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, ANY OTHER PROPERTIES, UM, THAT WE IDENTIFIED WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE THAT APPEARED TO HAVE BOTH SIGNIFICANCE AND INTEGRITY.

UM, ANY PROPERTIES THAT CAME UP DURING OUR CONTEXTUAL RESEARCH AS, UM, HAVING POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE.

UM, AND THEN A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES THAT, UM, THE TOWN IDENTIFIED AS AS PROPERTIES OF INTEREST.

UM, SO OUR DOCUMENTATION, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T SEE US OUT THERE INVOLVED, UM, TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS AND RECORDING INFORMATION ABOUT EACH PROPERTY ON A MOBILE DEVICE SURVEY FORM.

UM, SO WE RECORDED THINGS LIKE THE WALL MATERIALS AND THE WINDOW MATERIALS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ROOF LINE AND, AND WHAT KIND OF, UM, FORM DOES THE BUILDING HAVE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND WE ALSO NOTED ANY VISIBLE ALTERATIONS.

UM, SO FOLLOWING FIELD WORK, WE, UH, WORKED ON THE LAST, UH, MAIN PROJECT TAX, WHICH IS POST FIELD WORK ANALYSIS AND REPORTING.

UM, SO ONCE WE'RE BACK IN THE OFFICE, WE FINALIZED THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED IN THE FIELD, AND WE WILL CONDUCT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY RESEARCH AS NEEDED, UM, TO MAKE OUR NATIONAL REGISTER AND LOCAL DISTRICT RECOMMENDATIONS.

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UH, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS NOT A SOLITARY EFFORT, UM, THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY HAD IMPORTANT RULES IN THE PROJECT, UM, BUT PARTICULARLY AFTER FIELD WORK, AS WE WERE FINALIZING THE SURVEY DOCUMENTATION AND, AND, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE, UM, COORDINATED WITH GLEN FROM THE TOWN, UM, AND STAFF FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY AS WE PREPARED OUR DRAFT DELIVERABLES.

AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS AND EMAIL EXCHANGES, UM, TO DISCUSS THINGS LIKE RESEARCH GAPS, UM, OUR PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT TRICKY PROPERTIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, SO THE TOWN AND THE STATES RECEIVED A DRAFT REPORT FROM US IN DECEMBER, AND BOTH AGENCIES HAVE PROVIDED COMMENTS.

UM, AND ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT WE AS CONSULTANTS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR SURVEY REPORTS.

UM, BUT FOR NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY, THE STAFF AT THE STATE, AT THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE DECISION MAKERS.

SO THEY CONSIDER OUR NATIONAL RECOMMEND NATIONAL REGISTER RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BUT THEY ULTIMATELY DETERMINE WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR NOT.

UM, SO THE SAME, THAT CONCEPT THEN APPLIES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, RIGHT? SO WE MAKE LOCAL DESIGNATION RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IN BLACKTON, UM, ULTIMATELY THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDES WHAT ACTUALLY IS LISTED.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN THINGS OVER TO ALTHEA, WHO IS GOING TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT OUR, UH, RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU, SANDY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL GET INTO OUR RESULTS.

SO, OUR FIELD WORK RESULTED IN THE DOCUMENTATION OF 82 PROPERTIES, ENCOMPASSING 106 INDIVIDUAL RESOURCES, WHICH ARE AGAIN, BUILDING STRUCTURE SITES OR OBJECTS.

UH, 84 OF THESE RESOURCES WERE PREVIOUSLY DOCUMENTED, AND 22 WERE NEWLY DOCUMENTED.

THE DOCUMENTED RESOURCES INCLUDED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, RELIGIOUS, CIVIC, AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.

AND THE PROPERTIES WERE PRETTY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE SURVEY AREA, EXCEPT FOR THE NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST CORNERS.

WHERE ARE, THERE ARE CONCENTRATIONS OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE ALSO RECORDED ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SURVEY AREA BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY INTEREST AND ITS POTENTIAL FOR NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY.

AND AS A RESULT, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED THAT TWO PROPERTIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.

AND THEN THERE WERE 13 PROPERTIES IN THE SURVEY AREA THAT WERE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SURVEY THOSE.

UM, BUT WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT THE TOWN OBTAIN RIGHT OF ENTRY TO SURVEY THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, AS PART OF A FUTURE EFFORT.

SO THIS IS A MAP OF ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTED PROPERTIES.

UM, THE PROPERTIES THAT WE DOCUMENTED ARE THOSE YELLOW OUTLINES.

YOU SEE, WE ALSO MAPPED PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED SINCE THE PRIOR SURVEY IN 2019, AS WELL AS PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT VISIBLE TO US FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THOSE ARE THOSE BLUE CIRCLE OR BLUE POLYGONS.

UM, MOST OF THOSE RESOURCES OR PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT VISIBLE WERE ALONG THE MAY RIVER.

SO, AS A RESULT OF OUR SURVEY, UH, THE STATE DETERMINED THAT SEVEN NEW PROPERTIES IN THE SURVEY AREA ARE INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE STATE HAD PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBLE RENA REMAIN ELIGIBLE.

UM, THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE RECOMMENDED ELIGIBLE, UH, THAT THE STATE HAS ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT TO DETERMINE THEIR NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY.

SO THOSE MAY OR MAY NOT END UP BEING DETERMINED ELIGIBLE.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE RECOMMENDED THAT ALL NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED DETERMINED ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES AND THE THREE PROPERTIES FOR WHICH NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY IS PENDING ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IS IMPORTANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE AND FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH BLACK HISTORY AND SOCIAL HISTORY.

SO, OF OUR SEVEN NEWLY DETERMINED ELIGIBLE RESOURCES, ONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, FIVE ARE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR IMPORTANT ASSOCIATION WITH HISTORIC TRENDS OR IMPORTANT PEOPLE.

AND ONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR BOTH ITS ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHY EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES HAS BEEN DETERMINED ELIGIBLE.

SO THE CIRCA 1840 JOHN A SEABROOK HOUSE IS IMPORTANT AS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THE LOCAL LOW COUNTRY COTTAGE FORM, WHICH IS A VERNACULAR BUILDING FORM THAT'S COMMON IN THIS REGION.

THE JOHN J. COLE HOUSE AND ENSLAVED QUARTERS

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THE HOUSE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT LOW COUNTRY COTTAGE BUILDING FORM.

AND THE PROPERTY ALSO REFLECTS THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT OF BLUFFTON AS A SUMMER RESORT FOR WEALTHY ISLAND PLANTERS, UH, WHO RELIED ON THE LABOR OF ENSLAVED BLACK INDIVIDUALS.

ENSLAVED INDIVIDUALS BUILT THE JOHN JAY COLE HOUSE, AND THEN THEY RESIDED IN THE ENSLAVED QUARTERS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.

THE ELIZABETH SANDERS BOARDING HOUSE, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS SEVEN OAKS, IS IMPORTANT FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE COMMERCIAL IMPORTANCE OF BOARDING HOUSES IN EARLY BLUFFTON, UM, WHICH DREW TOURISTS TO THE RURAL AREA.

AND IT'S ONE OF JUST THREE REMAINING FORMER BOARDING HOUSES, UH, IN THE SURVEY AREA, AND IT'S THE LEAST ALTERED OF THOSE THREE.

THE JANE H AND GEORGE S GUILFORD HOUSE IS IMPORTANT FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH JANE GUILFORD, UH, JANE PRACTICE MEDICINE IN RURAL SOUTHERN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

AS A COUNTRY DOCTOR FROM THE LATE 19TH CENTURY TO THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, SHE PROVIDED THIS ESSENTIAL SERVICE TO THE AREA AT A TIME WHEN IT WAS VERY RARE TO HAVE A WOMEN DOCTOR.

THE CIRCA 1890 PLANTERS MERCANTILE IS IMPORTANT FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH BLUFF IN'S COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS IT PROVIDED ESSENTIAL GOODS AND SERVICE SERVICES TO BLUFF IN'S RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS VISITORS FROM ITS CONSTRUCTION ALL THE WAY UNTIL IT CLOSED IN 1972.

IT'S ALSO THE OLDEST XTEND COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE TOWN.

THE CYRUS GARVIN GARVEY HOUSE IS IMPORTANT FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH BLACK HISTORY AND SOCIAL HISTORY.

IT'S THE OLDEST X EXTENT DWELLING CONSTRUCTED BY A FREED MAN IN BLUFFTON, AND ITS ASSOCIATED WITH BLACK SETTLEMENT AND LIFE IN BLUFFTON DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION ERA AND BEYOND.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE BLUFFTON OYSTER COMPANY IS IMPORTANT AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY, THE TOWN'S PRINCIPAL INDUSTRY AND A MAJOR EMPLOYER OF BOTH WHITE AND BLACK AREA RESIDENTS.

UH, ITS LATER OWNERSHIP BY THE BLUFFTON OYSTER COOPERATIVE IS ALSO SIGNIFICANT AS THE CO-OP SUSTAINED THE OYSTER COMPANY DURING A STATEWIDE DECLINE IN THE INDUSTRY, AND IT CONTINUED TO PROVIDE JOBS TO BLACK AREA RESIDENTS.

SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE STATE, UH, PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER BEFORE OUR PROJECT.

WE RESURVEYED THEM, UH, AND THEY REMAIN ELIGIBLE AS THEY HAVE FEW OR NO CHANGES SINCE THEY WERE DETERMINED ELIGIBLE.

UH, THE FIRST IS THE BE FAIR PLANTATION PRICE HOUSE.

THIS WAS DETERMINED NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBLE IN 2007 FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH BLACK HISTORY.

ITS HISTORICAL USE AS A PRAISE HOUSE AND FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE, WHICH REFLECTS THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF A PRAISE HOUSE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PROPERTY IS THE BLUFFTON AUXILIARY HEALTH CENTER.

UH, THIS WAS DETERMINED ELIGIBLE IN 2023 FOR ITS IMPORTANCE IN PROVIDING HEALTHCARE TO RESIDENTS OF BLUFFTON AND FOR ITS ASSOCIATION WITH A FEDERAL ACT THAT HELPED ESTABLISH HEALTH CENTERS IN RURAL AREAS.

SO THIS SLIDE IS THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED ELIGIBLE FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER, UH, AND THAT THE STATE HAS ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP THEM MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THIS CURRENTLY, AND WE'LL MAKE AMENDED RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR FORTHCOMING FINAL REPORT.

THE THREE PROPERTIES ARE THE ROBERT BRUIN STORE, WHICH WAS A BLACK OWNED STORE THAT OPERATED FROM AROUND 1939 TO 1950, THE PAT'S BROTHERS HOUSE, WHICH IS AN 1892 FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE DWELLING.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE SQUIRE WILLIAM POPE POPE CARRIAGE HOUSE, UH, WHICH IS A FORMER DWELLING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED AROUND 1868 FROM THREE SEPARATE OUTBUILDINGS AFTER THE BURNING OF BLUFFTON.

LOCAL DESIGNATION CRITERIA, WHICH AS SANDY SAID, UH, MIRROR THE NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATION CRITERIA, WHICH IS A PRETTY HIGH BAR, UM, ALL PROPERTIES LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DETERMINED ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

SO ONE RESOURCE REQUIRES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO DETERMINE ITS POTENTIAL NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBILITY.

UM, THIS CIRCA 1950 MODEST CONCRETE OUTBUILDING AT THE ARCHIE AND VIOLET FRI HOUSE CONTAINED THE OFFICE OF THE FIRST TELEPHONE COMPANY COMPANY TO SERVICE BLUFFTON.

UH, ACCORDING TO A RESIDENT THAT WE INTERVIEWED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, JOHN CANTRELL AND MADDIE BELL, WEST CANTRELL ESTABLISHED THE BLING TELEPHONE COMPANY IN 1953, AND THEY LIVED IN THE HOUSE ON THE SAME PARCEL AS THIS OUTBUILDING BEGINNING IN 1949.

UM, AS A RURAL AND REMOTE COMMUNITY, TELEPHONE SERVICES PROVIDED A REALLY IMPORTANT CONNECTION TO BLUFFTON RESIDENCE.

UM, HOWEVER, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE REQUIRES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EVIDENCE FROM RESEARCH MATERIAL FOR A PROPERTY TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

RESEARCH CONDUCTED FOR THIS PROJECT COULDN'T SUBSTANTIATE HOW THE BLUFFTON TELEPHONE COMPANY USED THIS BUILDING, SO THAT'S WHY AT THIS POINT IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH IS REQUIRED.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, WITH THE CURRENT

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AND THE THREE REMAINING PROPERTIES WE ARE WORKING TO FINALIZE WITH THE STATE ARE RECOMMENDED CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO THAT'S 14 PROPERTIES IN TOTAL.

IF THE TOWN WERE TO ADOPT LESS STRINGENT LOCAL DESIGNATION CRITERIA, WHICH WE'VE RECOMMENDED, UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED 52 ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THESE PROPERTIES DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE OR INTEGRITY THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND THE TOWN'S CURRENT DESIGNATION CRITERIA, BUT THEY ARE IMPORTANT HISTORICAL PLACES NONETHELESS.

PROPERTIES THAT THEY STATED THAT THEY WEREN'T LISTED.

SO THIS IS A MAP, UM, OF ALL OF THE 66 RESOURCES RECOMMENDED POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING IF THE TOWN ADOPTS LESS STRINGENT LOCAL DESIGNATION CRITERIA.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT SINCE MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ALONG THE MAY RIVER WEREN'T VISIBLE TO US FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY, IT WAS 13 IN TOTAL.

UM, THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS LIST OF RESOURCES THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THE, HIS LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IF LESS STRICT DESIGNATION CRITERIA WERE ADOPTED.

SO ONCE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE RESURVEYED, UM, VIA RIGHT OF ENTRY REQUEST, THERE WOULD LIKELY BE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL DISTRICT.

SO ULTIMATELY, THAT NUMBER OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES TO THE DISTRICT COULD BE CLOSER TO 80, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING NUMBER.

SO I'LL HAND THINGS BACK TO SANDY NOW TO WRAP UP OUR PRESENTATION.

YEP.

UM, SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PROJECT ARE TO MAKE ANY NEEDED EDITS TO OUR DELIVERABLES BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN AND THE STATE.

UM, AND THEN TO SUBMIT THE FINAL VERSION OF THE REPORT AND ASSOCIATED DELIVERABLES.

SO THAT IS ONGOING, AS LAIA SAID.

UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED, UM, OR ANY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL DISTRICT OR, OR RECOMMENDED INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

SO I WANT TO HEAR, UM, MORE FROM FOLKS IF THERE'S MORE TO SHARE.

UM, SO AFTER OUR REPORT IS FINALIZED, UM, IT IS REALLY UP TO THE TOWN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY SERVES AS A FOUNDATION FOR FUTURE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PUBLIC HISTORY INITIATIVES, WHICH IS UP TO THE TOWN AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO DECIDE, UM, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE, THE SURVEY RESULTS AND WHAT'S NEXT? UM, WE HAVE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN OUR REPORT FOR NEXT STEPS.

UM, SO LIKE ALTHEA SAID, AMONG THEM, WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE TOWN OBTAIN THAT RIGHT OF ENTRY PERMISSION TO THE DOCUMENT.

THE PROPERTY'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY ALONG THE MAY RIVER TO COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION OF OLD TOWN.

UM, WE ALSO RECOMMENDED, UM, LIKE WE MENTIONED, THAT THE TOWN CONSIDER AND ADOPT LESS STRINGENT LOCAL DESIGNATION CRITERIA TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN WE RECOMMENDED THAT THE TOWN SUPPORT ANY PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN ACTUALLY HAVING THEIR PROPERTY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT ITSELF ONLY IDENTIFIES NATIONAL REGISTER ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES, UM, TO BE DESIGNATED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

A, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST PURSUE, UM, A FORMAL NOMINATION PROCESS WITH THE STATE.

AND THEN ONCE THE STATE HAS SIGNED OFF ON IT, IT THEN GOES TO THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE WILL REVIEW THE, UM, APPLICATION AND MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER, UH, OR NOT A, A PROPERTY CAN BE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

UM, LASTLY, I'LL SAY THAT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'VE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, IT IS UP TO THE TOWN COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT IS CONTRIBUTING, UM, AND TO ADOPT THOSE CHANGES.

SO THAT IS, UM, ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, I HAVE MY EMAIL HERE ON THE SLIDE, UM, AS WELL AS GLEN'S, YOU KNOW, GLEN'S EMAIL, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

UM, AND I, I THINK GLENN, UM, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS NOW, IF, IF THAT IS OKAY.

YES.

SO IF, UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, WE CAN FILL THOSE AT THIS POINT.

ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IN REGARD TO THE ADDITIONAL 52

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IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO GET A COPY OF THAT TO SEE WHAT THOSE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES WERE? YEAH, I CAN MAKE SURE YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THOSE.

THANK YOU.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THAT WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE PRESENTATION.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THOUGHT, UH, REALLY WENT INTO, UH, RESEARCHING LEFT IT.

YEAH, SURVEYS ARE NOTORIOUSLY A LOT OF WORK.

UM, THIS ONE WAS NO, NO EXCEPTION.

UM, BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TAKING INTO TOWN COUNCIL, UM, IN MARCH FOR ADOPTION.

[VIII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness (28 Wharf Street): A request by Malcolm Claxton (Applicant), on behalf of JRA Holdings, LLC (Owner), for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow the renovation and minor expansion of an existing 1-story house of 1,157 SF to 1,508 SF and construction of a new 2-story detached Carriage House of approximately 768 SF located at 28 Wharf Street. The property is located in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District (NG-HD). (COFA-08-25-019913) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

OUR, UH, NEXT AGENDA ITEM, NEW BUSINESS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 28 WHARF STREET.

A REQUEST BY MALCOLM CLAXTON ON BEHALF OF JRA HOLDINGS FOR REVIEW OF A COA HD TO ALLOW RENOVATION OF A MINOR EXPANSION OF A EXISTING ONE STORY HOUSE OF 1,157 SQUARE FEET TO, UH, 1,508 SQUARE FEET ON CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 768 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED AT 28 FOURTH STREET.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

THE, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS LOCATED AGAIN AT 28 WHARF STREET, OLDTOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.

IT IS LOCATED CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF LAWRENCE AND WHARF.

THE, UH, PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UH, INCLUDES AN EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH WILL BE EXPANDED.

UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED THAT YOU SEE HERE, OYSTER SHELL DRIVEWAY.

THERE IS A PUMP HOUSE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND A TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE, UH, IS PROPOSED IN THE REAR.

AND THIS GIVES YOU, UM, A SENSE OF HOW IT MIGHT LOOK.

UM, THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND IT WILL BE DETACHED.

HERE IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, STUCCO COATED WALLS UNDER A HIP ROOF.

UM, THE EXPANSION WILL BE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AND HERE YOU SEE THE FOUNDATION PLANS.

UH, THE HOUSE IS ON PI RIGHT NOW.

UH, THE PORCH, UH, THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, WILL BECOME LIVING SPACE.

THAT EXPANSION WILL OCCUR IN, IN THE FRONT HERE.

UM, AND IT'LL LOOK VERY SIMILAR IN SOME RESPECT.

UH, WITH THAT, UM, HALF FACADE, UH, FRONT PORCH THAT WILL BE COVERED.

IT WILL BE LOCATED ON PIERS.

UH, HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, PREDOMINANTLY A HARDY, UH, SIDING, LAPSE SIDING, UH, UH, WALL COATING THERE.

UM, THE COLUMNS WILL BE WOOD.

THE TRIM WILL BE HARDY.

UH, THE SHUTTERS ARE PROPOSED TO BE WOOD.

THERE IS CONSISTENCY WITH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE REAR.

UM, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL HAVE BOARD AND BATTEN THAT WILL BE HARDY AS WELL.

HERE ARE THE LEFT ELEVATIONS.

I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UH, THE AREAS THAT I HAVE IN YELLOW ARE INTENDED TO SCREEN THE METERS.

UM, THE, ONE OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT THIS BE LANDSCAPING INSTEAD OF THE, UM, THE, THE LOUVERED SCREENING IN ORDER TO SOFTEN THAT.

UH, THIS IS A SMALL HOUSE SEEMED UNNECESSARY TO HAVE THAT ELEMENT.

UH, HERE IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE BACK WILL HAVE A ONE BAY GARAGE AND A RESIDENCE.

UPPER STORY THAT WILL BE ACCESSED FROM AN EXTERIOR STAIRCASE HERE.

UM, OR ADDITIONAL ELEVATIONS.

AGAIN, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL BE LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MAIN RESIDENCE.

THERE IS ONE, UH, DETAIL.

THERE WAS AN INCONSISTENCY.

UM, THERE'S BEADED HARDY BOARD SOFFITS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE ON THE REAR.

IT SAID HARDY BOARD, CEDAR MILLED VENTED SOFFIT.

SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR, UH, UNCLEAR ABOUT THE CEDAR MILLED VENTED.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, CORRECTED.

UM, HERE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA.

THERE ARE FOUR.

UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, UDO EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, FEW ITEMS THAT I'LL MENTION.

UM, WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE, AND LET ME GO BACK.

UM, THE FIRST CONDITION, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REPLACE THE WOOD PANELS WITH APPROPRIATE LANDSCAPING.

I DID MENTION THAT IDENTIFY THE MATERIAL FOR THE INFILL PANELS BETWEEN THE PORCH PIERS.

LET ME GO BACK TO THAT.

UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE IT'S HARDY, WHICH IT INDICATED ON THE APPLICATION, BUT IT WAS NOT INDICATED ON THE PLANS.

I BELIEVE IT'S HARDY.

THE, UM, THE FOUNDATION MATERIAL HERE IS TABBY AND THEN THE VENTS ARE

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PROPOSED TO BE METAL.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS SEEKING A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT METAL IS APPROPRIATE MATERIAL.

UM, THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFIC IN THE UDO REGARDING THAT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING, UH, TO YOU, UM, CHANGE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SOFFIT TO MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE SOFFIT.

YOU MAY NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT REGARDING THAT.

UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS A VERY SMALL BUILDING, UM, A LITTLE MORE THAN 700 SQUARE FEET.

AND, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO REMOVE THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND JUST HAVE THAT BE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING.

THERE'S QUITE A BIT GOING ON, UM, WITH THIS VERY SMALL STRUCTURE.

AND THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WE'VE MADE.

IT'S NOT A, NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE UDO.

AND FOR THE FIFTH, UH, ITEM IS A TWO REVIS, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, SO THAT INCLUDES A TREE SURVEY IDENTIFICATION OF ANY TREES THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.

UM, THE FOUNDATION PLANNINGS AND A DEMONSTRATION OF 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE.

WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

UM, THIS IS IT HERE.

AND THIS IS JUST NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE UDO.

SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT IT BE UPDATED.

SO AGAIN, THESE ARE FIVE CONDITIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE MAKING.

UM, ALSO REQUESTING A DETERMINATION REGARDING THE METAL VENTS, UM, AT THE FOUNDATION.

UH, WITH THAT YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY.

AND IT IS THE, UM, SUGGESTION OF STAFF THAT YOU APPROVE THE, UH, APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN WITH THE DETERMINATION OF EVENTS.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS PRESENTATION? LET'S SEE.

THE, UH, APPLICANT IS HERE.

UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT? SURE.

IF YOU COULD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME.

MY CLARKSON, I'M THE APPLICANT.

4 28 WARP STREET.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO BUILD.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN VERY AGREEING TO ALL THE COMMENTS.

WE'VE ENJOYED THE PROCESS SO FAR AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO GET STARTED.

SO ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE OKAY WITH.

SO THANK YOU.

I, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO PRESENT OR, UH, NO, THAT, THAT'S GOOD.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, YEAH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

CHARLOTTE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE QUAL SECTIONS? DO WE HAVE THOSE? DOES THAT SHOW WHAT THAT, UM, MATERIAL IS FOR THE, THERE IS A SECTION FOR THE FORGE TO SHOW WHAT THAT FOR THE UNDERNEATH.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTION, BUT YOU WANTED THE ENTIRE WALL SECTION? YEAH, THERE WAS A COUPLE WALL SECTIONS IN THE PACKET.

THERE'S COLD PAGES OF IT.

WE'VE GOT IT HERE.

LET'S SEE.

I GOT, THIS IS TYPICAL WALL LIVING.

DO IT DOWN ONE MORE.

IT MIGHT BE THE PORCH.

THERE WE GO.

PORCH RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT.

SHOW.

UM, CAN I MAKE THIS LARGER WHILE, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS? COULD YOU, MR. CLAXTON, COULD YOU IT SHOWS OUR , BUT IT'S NOT, I SHOW THE LOUS.

IT DOESN'T SHOW THE LOUS.

IT SHOWS THE, UH, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE SOFFIT MATERIAL IS? 'CAUSE HARDY DOESN'T MAKE A BEADED BOARD.

THEY DON'T MAKE A BEADED SOFFIT.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED OF WHETHER YOU JUST, UM, HARDY MAKES A, UH, WOOD GRAIN AND A SMOOTH AND VENTED AND NON, IT'S REALLY JUST SMOOTH AND THEN IT'S VENTED OR VENTED PLUS.

YEP.

UH, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE UDL WANTS TO SEE A BEADED LOOK OR A V GROOVE LOOK THERE.

SO IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CEDAR WOULD WORK OR A, A TREATED MATERIAL THAT HAS THAT OKAY.

BEADED PROFILE TO IT.

BUT IT'S LIKE, SO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS OFF OF WOOD TO GET THAT TO SUFFICE THAT THERE'S OTHER MATERIAL.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WOOD OR CC THERE, THERE'S OTHER MATERIALS THAT MAKE A BEADBOARD.

WOOD.

THE, IS AT LEAST THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

BUT YOU WANNA SEE A, THE TONGUE GROOVE MATERIAL, RIGHT? TONGUE GROOVE IS

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THE HARDY DOESN'T REALLY MEET THE UVO REQUIREMENT.

OTHER THAN ALREADY.

SO CAN WE JUST LOOK AT THIS SECTION REAL QUICK? IS THE CEILING, THIS, THIS IS A SECTION THROUGH THE PORCH.

SO IS THE CEILING GONNA BE GOING UP LIKE THAT OR IS IT GONNA COME FLAT OVER TO THE, WE'D RATHER IT FOLLOW THE RAFTERS JUST TO GIVE IT MORE OF AN OPEN AIR LOOP.

WE HAVE ABOVE THERE WE HAVE THE ACTUAL WALL THAT GOES UP RIGHT ABOVE THAT HEADER.

THAT IS A GABLE, NOT A HIP.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM, SO YES, ON THE, ON THE SIDES RIGHT, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

SO ABOVE THE, THE BEAM IS ACTUAL, IT'S A WALL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S NOT A HIP LIKE THAT.

IT'S AN ACTUAL GABLE THAT GOES OUT.

YES.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THERE? NO, I'M JUST, IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CEILING.

SO THE CEILING'S GONNA FOLLOW THAT.

IT IS NOT, THE SECTION ISN'T QUITE CORRECT.

SO THE CEILING'S NOT GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE FLAT.

IT'S GOING TO GO UP WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE RAFTER.

YES.

WHICH MIGHT BE WEIRD IF THAT WALL IS ABOVE IT.

THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I MIGHT NEED TO SEE THE ELEVATION TO FOLLOW YOU ON THAT ONE.

SO ABOVE THAT, IT'S A GABLE LINE.

IT'S NOT HIP.

RIGHT.

SO I MEAN, TYPICALLY IF THAT WAS HIP, THAT THIS WOULD GO STRAIGHT ACROSS THE CEILING.

NOT FOLLOW UP THERE.

'CAUSE THERE'S A WALL THERE.

SO IT'LL PROBABLY LOOK BETTER TO BE FLAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU WANT US TO UPDATE THAT SO IT LOOKS FLAT INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A FOR TYPICAL THE PICTURE? YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD, DO YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT OR NO? UH, YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A GABLE LINE, IT'LL LOOK BETTER.

IT'S A GABLE END.

SO THERE'S A WALL ABOVE THAT BEAM.

RIGHT? AGREED.

SO, SO, UM, SO I WOULD UPDATE THAT, PUT THAT, THAT GABLE LINE? YEAH.

I WOULD ALSO CENTER THAT BEAM ON THAT COLUMN.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF COLUMN BEHIND IT, WHICH I DON'T, IT WOULD BE CENTER, RIGHT? YEAH.

I JUST MAKE THAT, THAT BEAM THE SAME CENTER ON THAT ONE.

UM, YOU GUESS ARE WE REQUIRE CAPS ON THESE THINGS ON THE COLUMNS? IF WE HAVE A BASE? IS THE BASE TOO HEAVY? UH, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S EXAMPLES IN TOWN WHERE IT'S, THERE'S NO CAP ON THE COLUMNS.

WHAT ABOUT THE BASE? DO YOU THINK THE BASE IS TOO HEAVY? IS IT TWO BY, IF IT'S A SIX BY SIX COLUMN, SHOULD IT BE A ONE BY? YES.

THAT IS PRETTY THICK.

SO I WOULD MAKE THAT THAT BASE A ONE BY INSTEAD OF A TWO BY.

IT'S JUST PRETTY THICK ON THAT ONE BY ON THE BASE.

UM, CAN WE JUST LOOK AT THE VENT? CAN YOU GO DOWN ONE? SO YOU GO DOWN ONE, YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE WHAT ONE? YEAH, THE VENT DETAIL.

I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT PAGE.

SORRY.

RIGHT THERE.

SO THE GABLE VENT DETAIL, I THINK THAT TREE TRIM NEEDS TO BE LESS, IT'S A SIX INCH AND IT'S PRETTY THICKER AROUND THAT.

USUALLY RATHER A FOUR.

A THREE OR A FOUR.

A PRETTY THICK DETAIL FOR A VERY SMALL VENT.

UM, FOUR RATHER.

DO A FOUR.

I MEAN I THINK MINIMUM NEEDS TO BE FOUR.

GONNA BE THE DETAIL FOR ALL THE SURFACE YARDS.

IT REALLY STANDS OUT IN THE HOUSE.

UM, ALRIGHT.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THE SERVICE YARD.

SO SERVICE MIGHT BE ONE DOWN.

SO IS THAT SPACE BOARDS, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? IS A ONE BY, IS THERE A GAP BETWEEN THOSE BOARDS FOR THE SERVICE YARD DETAILS? ARE THEY BUTTED UP STRIKE, THAT'S PRESSURE CHEATED ONE BY SIX? YES.

I, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A GAP AND JUST CALL OUT WHAT THAT GAP IS.

DIDN'T PART OF THE CONDITIONS, UH, TO GET RID OF THAT AND ADD, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING.

LANDSCAPING.

WAS THAT AND ALL OF THEM OR JUST THE METER? ONLY A METER.

SO JUST THE METER.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

SO, AND THIS IS THE DETAIL THAT'S THROUGHOUT CORRECT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LURED PANEL.

THERE'S SOME THERE JUST FOR VENTILATION FOR, JUST SO IT'S NOT BUDDING UP TO EACH OTHER.

BUT WE HAD SPECIFY THE GAPPING IF THAT'S, OR THE SPACING OF IT.

MY QUESTION IS THAT THERE WAS A, ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS SHOWS A LURE ON THERE.

THIS IS

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IS THAT CORRECT? SPACE BOARDS NOT A LU.

I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.

DO WE WANNA GET RID OF THESE AND DO LANDSCAPING? UM, SHOULD WE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE METERS ARE? THERE'S TWO LOCATIONS.

THE ON THE SIDE OF THE LEFT ELEVATION I THINK, OR THE RIGHT ELEVATION.

DO YOU WANT TO GO, COULD WE GET RID OF BOTH AND JUST DO LANDSCAPING? I THINK WE WANNA SEE THE, THE ACTUAL HVAC UNITS SCREENED IN.

YEAH, I MORE SIGNIFICANT.

SO THE METER CAN BE COVERED WITH THE HVAC.

IF YOU WANNA GO UP TO ELEVATION, WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

JUST KIND OF ZOOM OUT.

I THINK THERE'S TWO LOCATIONS FOR THE METER ON, ONE FOR THE GARAGE AND ONE FOR THE YEAH, SO THERE'S A METER AND THERE'S A-H-V-A-C LEFT ELEVATION I THINK IS THE ONE THAT, SO THERE'S TWO RIGHT THERE.

SO ONE OF 'EM, YEAH, I THINK IS IT ON THE LEFT? THE LEFT AND THE, ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT ONE AND DOING LANDSCAPING.

AND THEN, UM, I, SO THE BACK, THE GARAGE.

SO THE ELEVATION TO THE LEFT? YEAH.

UM, THE, THE ONE THAT'S THE SERVICE YARD ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT I THINK IS THE METER.

THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FOUND.

THE ONE GO TO THE LEFT MORE.

OH, HERE, THAT ONE.

I THINK THAT'S A METER.

AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE TALLER METER.

SO, SO WE ARE KEEPING THE ONES WITH THE HVAC, BUT GET RID OF THAT.

SO THE, THE SHORTER ONES STAY AND THEN THE TALLER ONES YOU'RE SAYING COULD BE LANDSCAPING, CORRECT? YES.

WE WANT TO SCREEN THE HVAC.

THOSE CAN HAVE IT, UM, ON ALL, ALL THREE SIDES.

SO HVAC SCREENS CAN STAY BUT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM UPDATED WITH ACTUAL DIMENSIONS FOR THE SPACING, JUST, JUST PUT SPACING ON THERE.

YEAH, CASE GAP.

SO IT'S NOT BUTTED.

I MEAN IT WANTS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

THREE QUARTER SPACING, SOMETHING SPACING SHOW.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE GABLE IS, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.

SO IF YOU MAKE THAT TRIM LESS, IT LOOKS REALLY THICK ON THAT.

GOTCHA.

AND THEN THE METER SCREEN CAN MOVE TO LANDSCAPING.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL I GOT, SORRY.

WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS? UH, HOW DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, CHANGING THE BOARD AND BATTEN TO THE LAP SIDING? UM, OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, IT'S FINE.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

AND THE VENTS, METAL VENTS, IS THAT WHAT'S THERE NOW? IS THAT WHY WE'RE USING IT? I BELIEVE THEY'RE METAL NOW.

WE, WE WROTE ALUMINUM OR STEEL OR REALLY WHATEVER YOU WANT.

SMART.

IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I MEAN THEY'RE OLD SCHOOL FOUNDATION.

THEY'RE THERE SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OKAY.

SO I MEAN I THINK WE ARE MATCHING THAT DETAIL.

BUT WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE, SO YEAH.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL PHOTO OF WHAT THE EXISTED? UH, GO TO THE NEXT TAB OVER.

SO THE METAL VENT'S THERE.

MM-HMM .

THAT'S FINE.

RIGHT? SO JUST MATCH OF METAL OR ALUMINUM, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS THE SAME.

YEAH, IT'LL BE AN EIGHT BY 16 INCH.

AND DID WE, I DIDN'T WANNA SKIP OVER THE BOARD BAT PART.

DID WE DECIDE THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT THAT? YOU'D RATHER IT LAP COMMISSIONER FRAZIER, WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I'M FINE WITH, I'M FINE WITH IT.

FINE WITH THE SWITCH TO THE LAP OR THE BOARD BUTTON.

SWITCHING COMMISSIONER SULER.

WHAT? SWITCHING.

YEAH, I AGREE.

AND I WOULD AGREE AS WELL.

I THINK JUST HAVING ALL LAPS ON THAT SMALL LITTLE BUILDING MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

I SIDE, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO I HEAR A MOTION? I GOTTA MAKE A MOTION.

I GUESS YOU HAD ALL THE COMMENTS.

I KNOW.

YOU REMEMBER.

UM, DO YOU NEED YOUR LIST? OH, YOU GOT, YOU GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN.

YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH.

UH, CHANGE THE, UH, GABLE, UH, PORCH AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE DETERMINATION ON THIS IN THERE.

UH, ARE WE OKAY WITH ALL THIS STUFF? WATER MATERIAL, ALL THE CONDITIONS YOU SAY STAFF? YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE WE HAD ON UM, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OF, UM, REDUCING THE TRIM ON THE GABLE ENDS.

UM,

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LAP SIDING.

THE FIRST FLOOR GARAGE, LEFT SIDING.

THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THE RIGHT.

THE ONE BY BASE ON THE PORCH COLUMNS.

ONE BY ONE BY BASE ON THE PORCH COLUMNS.

THE HVAC SCREEN TO STAY BUT GIVE YOU A SPACING DETAIL.

GIVE A SPACING DETAIL ON THE, UM, SPACE BOARDS FOR THE SERVICE YARD.

THE METER SCREEN CAN BE LANDSCAPING.

YEAH, THAT'S IN, IN THE STAFF COMMENTS.

AND THEN THE COLUMN BASE.

WE GOT THE COLUMN BASE.