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          OUT 2 P.M. FEBRUARY 3RD COMMUNITY SERVICES PUBLIC SESSION IS NOW IN SESSION. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE IF I CAN ASK YOU PLEASE TO RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RIGHT OVER HERE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG THESE DAYS AMERICA WHICH IS STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND ASHLEY HAS 
          [3. STATEMENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA]
THIS BEEN PUBLISHED AND POSTED SUBJECT FOYER YES SIR. WELL THANK YOU. 
          [4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I GET AN APPROVAL FOR THE AGENDA I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. WE'LL A SECOND AND THEN I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. SURE. WHAT'S SOMETHING AT THE MOMENT? OKAY. I'D LIKE TO HAVEN. OUR AGENDA ITEM EIGHT B DOES NOT SEEM TO BE EITHER A DISCUSSION OR A PRESENTATION. IT SEEMS THAT THIS ITEM BELONGS IN A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE SO I'M I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE WILL AGREE WITH ME BUT I THINK THIS ITEM SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS AND SENT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BECAUSE IS A FINANCIAL MATTER THAT MAKES SENSE FOR DAVID AND DAVID, GO AHEAD AND SHARE THIS ITEM 18 MAYBE IT SHOULD BE UNDER 90 BUT I'M RIGHT IT'S COMMUNITY SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE PROPERTY OF HOUSE. HOWEVER I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IT NEEDS BE A 90 RATHER THAN A HIGH DESIGN THAT WE CAN DO THAT SIR. CAN WE GET THAT DONE OR HOW DO WE NEED TO DO IT? YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO MOVE ITEM EIGHT BE TO 9AB AS A STANDALONE ITEM BUT I WAS AT A MOTION OR WE HAD THAT MADE GLAD TO MAKE THAT MOVE PLEASE DO THE MOTION IS TO TAKE ITEM EIGHT B AND MOVE IT TO NINE B SO THAT IT IS A STANDALONE AND I'LL SAY ALL RIGHT SIR YOU HAVE WHO IS THE SECOND I DIDN'T HEAR COUNCILMAN MCKELLEN. MCKELLEN SECOND THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAVID. 
          YOU DON'T MENTION IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE ITEM AND THEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? WELL, IT HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE TO, APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE AGENDA. DO WE NEED TO VOTE? DO WE NEED IT? YES, WE NEED TO VOTE IN FAVOR. ANY OBJECTIONS? NO. 
          OKAY. NEXT IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. 
          ALL RIGHT. IS THAT AND I MADE THE MOTION OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND SECONDED SIR, THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT MOTION IN A SECOND? OKAY. HEARING NONE. 
          WE SET THAT MOTION APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. MOTION APPROVE. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW YOU GOT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
GO AHEAD TO THE MINUTES. MINUTES. OKAY. 
          COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALSO I CAN SECOND. OKAY. 
          SO APPROVED. GOOD BUT NOW YOU TAKE ACTION OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ANYBODY OBJECT TO WHAT DO WE NEED TO VOTE OR IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? SO LET ME JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND CONGRATULATE FOR SITTING OVER THERE AND DOING THIS. 
          THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME RUNNING THIS MEETING AND EVERYBODY HERE IS GOING TO CHIP IN AND MAKE SURE YOU DON'T OUT OF THAT CHAIR. WELL, LISTEN, COUNCILMAN COLEMAN, THANK YOU. THIS IS ENJOYABLE. THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE POINTED OUT. I APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEARN THIS TOGETHER. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME FUN TOGETHER TODAY FOR SURE NO DOUBT. BUT ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD? ARE WE APPROVED ON ALL THAT? YES, SIR. 
          [6. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD - 15 MINUTES TOTAL]
ALL RIGHT, GOOD. NOW I COMMENT I BELIEVE WE'RE READY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE SIGNED UP MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT HAS THAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WILL GET TO YOU EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHOSE RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK SHALL LIMIT COMMENTS TO 3 MINUTES AND OBSERVE THE FOLLOWING PROTOCOL ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN AND SPEAKING AVOID DISRESPECT TO COUNCIL IN ANY PERSONALITIES CONFINE THEMSELVES TO QUESTIONS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF COUNCIL. BE MINDFUL AND RESPECTFUL OF THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT AND OTHERS WHO MAY BE WATCHING ON TELEVISION. GOOD. 
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OUR FIRST ONE TO SPEAK GARY MARINO OUR RIGHTS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THIS IS MY FIRST TIME AT THESE TYPE OF MEETINGS AND I KNOW LIKE THE ITEM I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE AGENDA AT NINE A IF THIS IS TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. SURE. ALL RIGHT. 
          SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE DRAMATICALLY WITH OUR AREA AND OUR CITY. 
          I LIVE IN SHADOW MASS. WE RECENTLY HAD A SHOOTING THAT TWO BULLETS WERE PULLED FROM THE HOUSE THE HOUSE WAS FIRED WHERE WAS FIRED FROM WAS LIKE THREE C 300 FEET FROM THE HOUSE. I THE ORDINANCE WHETHER IT'S INCORPORATED UNINCORPORATED OR IS IT 300 YARDS NOT 300 AND SOMETHING FEET AND THERE WAS NO CHARGE. 
          I MEAN THE WEAPONS I UNDERSTAND WERE TAKEN BUT THERE WAS NO CHARGE TO IT AND I WE'VE GOT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE OWNERSHIP. 
          YOU HAVE A LACK OF COMMON SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO SHOOTING A WEAPON. 
          SO SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THE AREA WHERE CAN SHOOT. I MEAN THERE ARE RANGES IN THE AREA YOU CAN ATTEND AND SHOOT YOU RIFLES BUT SHOOTING A RIFLE IN THE WOODS IT'S LIKE 300 FEET FROM A HOUSE. IT'S JUST STUPIDITY AND THAT'S ALL I GOT SAY THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MORENO, ANDRE MASSEY. NEXT UP WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, COUNSEL. YES, SIR. MEMBERS I JUST WANT TO BASICALLY CAVEAT OFF WHAT HE JUST SAID. THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE SAID 300 YARDS JUST FIRING A RIFLE. I'VE SPENT 25 YEARS OVER 25 YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND OVER 25 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BEEN A FIREARMS INSTRUCTIVE 20 YEARS AT 300 YARDS GOING THROUGH A HOUSE A RIFLE ROUND IS NOT GOING TO STOP IT CAN STILL HAS TWO POSSIBILITY TO HURTING SOMEBODY IF NOT KILLING THEM IF WE'RE GOING TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO RESTRICT THAT MY PERSONAL BELIEF IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST A THOUSAND YARDS AT LEAST IT STARTS TO USE ITS VELOCITY OF A THOUSAND A THOUSAND 1000 AT THAT POINT UNLESS YOU'RE SHOOTING SOMETHING UP A 50 CAL OR 338 LAPORTE'S THESE ARE JUST TYPE OF RIFLES. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP AT 300 YARDS AT LEAST A THOUSAND. THE AVERAGE FIVE, FIVE, SIX ROUNDS WILL POSSIBLY STOP IF IT HITS A WALL AND IT HAS CHANCE OF KILLING SOMEONE. 
          THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY ON IT . OFFICER MASSIE, THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. IF THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO I HAVE RIGHT HERE, ANYBODY ELSE SIGN UP OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME ON, SIR. 
          NEED HIM TO SIGN IN? OKAY. DO YOU NEED TO SIGN IN? YES. OKAY. DID YOU HAVE THE SHEET? YOU HAD THE SHEET? YEAH. OKAY. 
          RIGHT HERE, SIR. SIR, IF YOU COULD WRITE HERE IN IF ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SOME MINUTES RIGHT YOU GO RIGHT OVER THERE AND SIGN UP RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DONE PERFECT STUFF. THANK YOU. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THIS NICHOLAS LAST NAME LUBER SIR. MR. LUBER, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN SO MY HOUSE WAS THE HOUSE THAT GOT SHOT UP THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN BULLET HOLES IN MY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW ONE ENTER THROUGH MY MASTER BEDROOM STRUCK THE WALL NEXT TO ME RIGHT NEXT TO MY FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, MY WIFE AND MY TWO MONTH OLD AT THE TIME WERE PROBABLY LESS THAN TEN FEET AWAY. THE GUNFIRE CONTINUED FOR OVER 10 MINUTES AND THEN IT FINALLY STOPS AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF THAT MAYBE THIS THIS HAS TO BE LIKE ILLEGAL SOMETHING BECAUSE MY HOUSE JUST GOT SHOT I'M STANDING IN MY DRIVEWAY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S ROUNDS PASSING PAST MY HOUSE BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE IS A PLAYGROUND AND THERE'S A HOLE IN THE TREE IN THE PLAYGROUND RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO MY ISSUE IS THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING HIM FROM CONTINUING TO DO THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS CONTINUED TO FIRE HE'S NO LESS THAN FIVE SEPARATE TIMES SINCE THAT INCIDENT AFTER HE'S ALREADY BEEN WARNED AND HAS NOT 
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STOPPED. SO THE LONGER THAT IT'S ALLOWED FOR HIM TO DO THAT EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY I'VE GOT WONDER IF THAT'S THE SUNDAY HE DECIDES TO GO OUT THERE AND SHOOT AND FAMILY'S AT RISK AND THEY GET HIT ONE DAY. SO I GOT TO LIVE WITH THAT EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY THAT I'M STILL LIVING IN A HOUSE NOW I'VE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR AND A HALF YEARS. I LOVE THE COMMUNITY. I LOVE THE AREA I'VE GOT NO PROBLEMS WITH YOU KNOW, WITH YOU KNOW, SHOOTING AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          WHEN I FIND OUT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS NO BACK UP HE'S SHOOTING ON A FLAT RANGE LESS 360 FEET FROM MY BACK DOOR AND THERE'S NO MITIGATING FACTORS WHATSOEVER. I KIND OF HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I KNOW WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION BUT MS. BROCKETT YOU HAVE THIS DATA THAT MR. LUBER SPOKE ABOUT PICTURES VIDEO OF HOW MANY HOLES HIS HOUSE DID YOU SEND THAT IN TO US? I HAVE I HAVE SENT THAT YEAH. I THINK I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF ON MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT ALL IS THERE PLEASE DO AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT TOO SO I'LL GET IT TO MS. BROCK AND SHE'LL GET A TEACH COUNSEL CAN'T THANK VERY MUCH THANK YOU THANK START WITH THIS GENTLEMAN JUST HAVE HIM TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE FROM WHERE'S YOUR WHERE'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU I LIVE IN SHADOW MOS OKAY SIR THANK YOU SIR THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC SHADOW MASSES IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL. JUST FOR THE RECORD YOU APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THAT. MS. BROCK THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT STOP TO SPEAK IS MICHAEL GLOBAL ABOUT LOOK UP. THANK YOU. 
          SORRY BUTCHERING THAT ANSWER I WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN SO I CAN STAY ON SCRIPT WITH Y'ALL MY NAME IS MICHAEL. I AM A RESIDENT WITH AT THE LAKES OF NEW RIVERSIDE SO THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNTY COUNCIL'S COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS THEM FIRST I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF THE FEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE SPEAKING BEHALF OF THE LAKESIDE RIVERSIDE AND ADVOCATING FOR ITS SAFETY HOWEVER THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO NOT REPRESENT MY VIEWPOINT AS I QUESTION THEIR CREDIBILITY REGARDING THE UNSUB'S SHE ADDED CLAIMS OF BULLETS ALLEGEDLY FLYING INTO OUR COMMUNITY CLAIMS THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE HEARD BUT FOR WHICH THERE IS NO EVIDENCE . WITH OVER 18 YEARS OF CURRENT ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE IN THE INFANTRY IN MILITARY LAW ENFORCEMENT I CAN CONFIDENTLY STATE THAT THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE BULLETS ARE ENTERING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOR IS THERE ANY THREAT. THE INCIDENT INVOLVING A CLAIM BY THAT SUPPOSEDLY FLEW THROUGH A FENCE AND STRUCK A HOUSE ON THE CORNER. HARTWELL AND RUSSELL ROADS WAS DETERMINED BY OUR HOMEOWNERS TO BE CAUSED BY A ROCK SHOT OUT OF LANDSCAPERS MOWER I CONFIRMED THIS WITH THE ARCHWAY SHOWING THEM THE PHOTOS POSTED ON OUR COMMUNITY'S FACEBOOK PAGE DATED FROM APRIL OF 2024. FURTHERMORE BALLISTICALLY SPEAKING WITH MY BACKGROUND WITH 215 TO 20 FOOT BERMS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND ALLEGED SHOOTING RANGE THE ALLEGED BULLETS TRAJECTORY WAS TOO LOW BEING APPROXIMATELY 3 TO 4 FEET OFF THE GROUND WHEN IT STRUCK THE FENCE. WHILE GUNSHOTS WHILE GUNSHOTS MAY BE HEARD IN SURROUNDING AREAS INCLUDING THE LOCAL GUN RANGE, MANY RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY ENJOY MORE PEACEFUL DAYS. IT IS NOT A NUISANCE. FURTHERMORE THE CLAIM THAT RESIDENTS ARE LIVING IN FEAR IS JUST AS UNFOUNDED AS A BULLET CLAIMS. ON ANY GIVEN DAY HE COULD DRIVE DOWN TO THE END OF HARTWELL ROAD. 
          THE BULLETS ARE AND YOU WILL FIND FAMILIES PLAYING AND ENJOYING THEIR LIVES MAKE. 
          IT KNOWN THAT RESIDENTS ARE NOT LEAVING OUR COMMUNITY OUT OF FEAR ADDITIONALLY BRING IN WSMV NEWS INTO THIS SITUATION HAS MADE OUR COMMUNITY LESS DESIRABLE. 
          WE HAVE GAINED THE TITLE AFGHANISTAN WHICH IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH MYSELF BEING A COMBAT VETERAN THAT IS AN INSULT. WSMV REPORTER DANIEL COBB FAILED TO CONDUCT THOROUGH INVESTIGATION RELYING SOLELY ON THE STATEMENTS OF A FEW RESIDENTS. THIS MISLEADING THIS MISLEADING REPORTING HAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OUR PROPERTY VALUES AS POTENTIAL BUYERS ARE DISCOURAGED BY UNFOUNDED SAFETY CLAIMS POSING A SERIOUS ISSUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC HEALTH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO WITH THIS I LOVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WANT TO KEEP IT SAFE. 
          I WANTED TO KEEP IT A SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT CURRENTLY IS THE HAS BEEN DIVIDING US AND IT SHOULDN'T I HOPE TO PUT AN END TO THIS PLEASE WORK TOWARDS A QUICK RESOLUTION SOON SO THAT THE MEDIA NOISE SUBSIDES AND OUR COMMUNITY CAN REGAIN ITS MARKET APPEAL AND ITS HARMONY. 
          I TRUST IN YOU ALL AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. 
          THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS. MR. GOEBEL THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          OCTAVIA, ONE MORE. YES, WE HAVE ONE MORE. OKAY. 
          IS IT OFFICER STREET MEYERS? I'M SORRY, CHIEF. THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          [00:15:03]
NO THIS I GOT HERE I THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. COUNSEL THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AGAIN. MY NAME IS JEFF MYERS ON THE POLICE CHIEF WITH PORT ROYAL THE SUMMER 21ST. WE WERE CALLED OUT ALONG WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR SHOTS FIRED INTO A RESIDENCE IN CHATEAU MOSS. SEVERAL OFFICERS DID FIND WHERE THE SHOTS WERE COMING FROM AND THEY WERE COMING FROM INSIDE THE COUNTY. 
          THE SHOTS UNFORTUNATELY HIT A HOME PORT ROYAL. LATER ON THAT WEEK I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND VISIT THE RESIDENCE. MR. LUBBERS AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW BEING THERE FIRSTHAND IT'S A MIRACLE SOMEBODY DIDN'T DIE THE WAY THE BULLET ARE IN THAT PROPERTY. IF SOMEBODY WAS STANDING THERE ON A COUCH, WE WOULD BE HAVING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. HONOR YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE TO THE FOREFRONT. THIS IS NEEDED. 
          THERE WAS NOTHING IN PORT ROYAL IN OUR ORDINANCES OR UNDER STATE LAW THAT WE COULD CHARGE WITH BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE. IT'S SOMETHING. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVER THE VERY GRATEFUL GROWTH THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP. THAT'S IT EVERYBODY. I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE OWNING THEIR FIREARMS ABSOLUTELY 110% BUT THEY HAVE TO SHOOT RESPONSIBLY AND THIS WAS NOT THAT IT WAS A MISTAKE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND KIND OF FIREPOWER. THEY WERE USING THINGS LIKE THAT AND IT WAS JUST A HORRIBLE SITUATION. BUT I REALLY COMMEND YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE. AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF PORT ROYAL AND MYSELF PERSONALLY AS THE POLICE CHIEF ,I HIGHLY ENDORSE THAT YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH WITH DC DEPUTY CHIEF MASSIE IF THERE WAS TO BE ANY CHANGES IS YES I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAJECTORY AND HOW FAR ROUNDS GO. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY FROM THE RESIDENTS OF PORT ROYAL AND WE VERY MUCH SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD. CHIEF THANK YOU. 
          AND I BELIEVE I KNOW THE ALREADY BUT DO WE HAVE THAT INVESTIGATIVE REPORT THAT CHIEF CITED WITH ALL THOSE FACTS THAT HE BROUGHT OUT? IF NOT A COPY RIGHT HERE. 
          YOU DO? OKAY. MIGHT YOU LEAVE THAT WITH US SO WE MAKE SURE WE SURE AND WE'VE GOT PICTURES, EVERYTHING. I WENT OUT THERE AND SEEN IT LIKE I SAID IT'S A MIRACLE NOBODY GOT KILLED. MIRACLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. YES, THANK YOU. THE POINT COULD BE MADE HERE THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE DEALING WITH TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRADICTION FLOATING WHERE THE INCIDENT THAT PEOPLE ARE ON IS IN JUST ONE PLACE. OKAY. 
          JUST JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IT JUST THE FURTHER WE THIS COUNCIL APPRECIATES EVERYBODY BEING HERE. NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM YOU TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. BUT THANK YOU ALL MUCH FOR THAT. 
          I'M GOING TO CLOSE THAT OUT UNLESS YOU'RE SOMEBODY ELSE TO SPEAK. 
          I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE INDIVIDUAL WE HAVE ONE MORE. LET'S DO IT. 
          PLEASE COME ON UP. AND SHE SIGN IN YOU SIGNED IN? I FIRST I APOLOGIZE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE WEATHER I WASN'T ABLE TO GET HERE AS FAST AS I WANTED TO IF MANY THINGS WERE POSTPONED. MY NAME IS MARYANN CIAMPA. I RESIDE AT 47 HARTWELL ROAD. 
          I LIVE IN THE LAKES AT NEW RIVERSIDE. I AM HERE SAY THAT IN FACT IF ONE LIVES THERE AND IS UNAWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IT WOULD BE VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO BE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. THE NOISE, THE REPEATED RIFLE SHOOTING AND YES, I DO KNOW ABOUT GUNS AND I AM A GUN OWNER. I LISTENED FROM MY BACKYARD TO REPEATED RIFLE SHOOTINGS THAT WERE QUITE QUICK AND WERE ALSO FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME . NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING THE DEVELOP MENT HAVE THEIR HOMES UP FOR SALE. ONE WOMAN ALREADY SOLD IT. ANOTHER WOMAN IS SCARED TO DEATH AND THERE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE FRIGHTENED BY THIS. I AM FRIGHTENED AND I DON'T ACTUALLY LIVE QUITE ADJACENT TO WHERE MANY OF THEM ARE BUT IN SO SAYING THIS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE HAS BEEN GUN FIRE THAT HAS OCCURRED ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          HARTWELL PERHAPS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN ISN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH IT BUT I CERTAINLY HEARD IT AND I WAS TOLD BY OTHER RESIDENTS THAT IT OCCURRED BEHIND WHERE THEIR HOMES WERE OR AT LEAST THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE AWARE OF . AS FOR WHERE THE TRAJECTORY IS OR WHERE IT'S GOING, THERE IS ALSO A NOISE ORDINANCE WHICH I WOULD ASSUME WHEN SOMEBODY'S SHOOTING OFF AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING THAT THAT ALSO SHOULD BE FACTORED INTO THIS. 
          I UNDERSTAND GOOD OWNERSHIP AND I UNDERSTAND BEING A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. 
          AS I SAID HAVE SHOT. I OWN I OWN RIFLES AND I AM A RESPONSIBLE BUT WHEN ONE IS 
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RESPONSIBLE ONE DOES NOT CREATE NOISE AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AT SOME POINT IT BEGINS TO FEEL AS IF IT'S IN RETRIBUTION FOR THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED. 
          SO MY SAYING THIS I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT WE DO SOMETHING AND THAT THIS COUNCIL ACTUALLY ACTS AND THE BENEFIT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY BECAUSE I KNOW ARE NOT ALONE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANT TO ALSO THANK THE INDIVIDUAL FROM MY DEVELOPMENT WHO HAVE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT. 
          THERE IS ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS CURRENTLY PRESENT WHO ACTUALLY HEARD THE SHOT GO RIGHT BY HIS EAR. SO IF ANYONE HAS EVER BEEN IN THAT POSITION YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S A GUNSHOT THAT GOES YOUR EAR, IT'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE. SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT FRANKLY MY PROPERTY TAXES WENT UP CONSIDERING THAT HOMES ARE NOT SELLING IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND THAT A FACT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN HAVE MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO LOOK AND A LOT OF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF BEEN GOING ON. NOBODY WANTS TO BE WOKEN UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING MY NEIGHBOR WHO LIVES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE IS ADJACENT TO THE BURN. 
          THEY HAVE FOUR SMALL CHILDREN. THE OLDEST ONE IS FOUR AND A HALF YEARS OLD. 
          THE YOUNGEST LESS THAN SIX MONTHS OLD. SHE IS SCARED AT TIMES TO ALLOW HER CHILDREN TO GO INTO THE BACKYARD. YOU MR. THANK YOU THANK YOU YOUR TIME TV IS THAT IT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. 
          [7. ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT]
IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. 
          OKAY. MR. ROBINSON ROBINSON. ALL RIGHT. 
          AFTERNOON. I DON'T SPECIFICALLY A REPORT FOR YOU. 
          I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR DIRECTOR OF ANIMAL SERVICES TALLULAH TRICE. 
          SHE IS GOING ONE OF HER NEW STAFF MEMBER MEMBERS FOLLOWED BY TALLULAH TODD DAVIS, OUR DIRECTOR OF FLEET SERVICES IS GOING TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOU TO MANY OF HIS EMPLOYEES AND TALK THEIR RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS. THANK YOU. 
          THERE SHE IS I HAVE A QUESTION WAS MINE AND SHE ASKED ME IF I SHOULD WEAR MY TALL BOOTS. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO AT THE OLD SHELTER HEATHER VOLUNTEERED. 
          HOW OLD WERE YOU THEN HERE? I MEAN YOU WEREN'T. YOU WERE. 
          I WAS TO GO BUT IT WAS LIKE 14 YEARS AGO AND SO THEN SHE JOINED HILTON HEAD YOU MEAN AND THERE OVER TEN YEARS AND THEN SHE MOVED TO WE WERE VERY DISAPPOINTED SHE WORKED WITH US AT COUNTY AND WAS AN ASSET AND EVERYBODY HEARD ME IN THE HALLWAYS GO AND WE I SAY HITHER HITHER I GO HITHER HEATHER, HEATHER, HEATHER. AND THEN WHEN SHE LEFT I'VE FELT THAT WEIGHT OF NOT HAVING THAT PERSON THAT KNOWS MEDICAL KNOWS SHELTER MEDICINE THEN KNOWS HOW TO MOVE ANIMALS THAT BRINGS UNITY WITHIN ALL THESE GROUPS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH INCLUDING JASPER. SO SHE MOVED TO SEATTLE THEN SHE MOVED BACK, ASSISTED JASPER COUNTY ARM AT THAT POINT AND. THEN WE STOLE HER LIKE I DO REGULARLY. 
          SO ANYWAY BUT NOW SHE IS DEPUTY WE'RE VERY EXCITED. IT HAS TAKEN A HUGE WEIGHT OFF EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T TELL LIKE WHEN MY HAIR BUT ANYWAY BUT SHE'S AN ASSET TO COUNTY SHE CAME FROM NEW YORK AND HAS THREE CHILDREN WHO ARE ALSO HELPING AT THE SHELTER WHEN WE SHORT STAFF DURING THIS RECENT LITTLE STORM WE HAD. SO WE WELCOME HER WITH OPEN ARMS AND WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING. YEAH BUT ANYWAY BUT SHE'S AN ASSET AND. I DIDN'T STEAL HER FROM FRANNY SETTING INTO WHICH I KNOW FRANNY WOULD HURT ME IF YOU DID. YES. 
          SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HER PART OF OUR TEAM AND MY LOVE FOR HER AS WELL. SO VERY NICE. 
          THANK YES. ALL RIGHT. WHAT PART OF NEW YORK YOU FROM LONG ISLAND. VERY NICE. VERY NICE. 
          THANK YOU. WELCOME. WE APPRECIATE ANYTHING COULD DO FOR YOU. LET US KNOW, TALLULAH. MAKE SURE OF THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. 
          NICE MEETING YOU ALL. YEAH. OKAY. 
          AND AFTERNOON THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HELP RECOGNIZE SOME OF MY FLEET SERVICES STAFF POLICE SERVICES. AS YOU KNOW WE WORK BEHIND THE SCENES AND TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE CERTIFICATIONS AND ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE YEARS OF SERVICES THAT STRENGTHEN OUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT COUNTY OPERATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS HELP EXPAND IN-HOUSE EXPERTIZE, REDUCE RELIANCE ON OUTSIDE VENDORS, SHORTEN VEHICLE DOWNTIME AND ENSURE VEHICLES, AMBULANCES, FIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES ARE WELL-MAINTAINED. 
          COUNTY FLEET SERVICES IS NOW A FORD FLEET. WITH THAT DESIGNATION OUR TEAM 
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RECEIVES DIRECT FROM FORD FOR FACTORY TRAINING ON HOW TO PROPERLY DIAGNOSE AND MODIFY VEHICLES WE USE MANUFACTURER APPROVED CONNECTION POINTS TO INSTALL EMERGENCY LIGHTING CONTROLS EQUIPMENT ENSURING THAT ALL BUILDS ARE COMPLETELY SAFELY IN ACCORDANCE TO FLEET EXCUSE ME FORD ENGINEERING SOFTWARE. WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MY FLEET STAFF MEMBERS MICHAEL HOBY MICHAEL HOVEY HE'S TO APPEAR HAS EARNED AC MASTER CERTIFICATION THROUGH AC. HE'S AN ADVANCED LEVEL SPECIALIST CERTIFICATION AND HE REPRESENTS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TECHNICAL EXPERTIZE IN AUTOMOTIVE DIAGNOSTIC REPAIR. HE IS ALSO TAKING THE ROLE OF REPAIRING MAJOR COMPONENTS PREVIOUSLY OUTSOURCED TO VENDORS DEALERSHIPS. BY BRINGING THIS WORK IN-HOUSE FLEET SERVICE IS ABLE TO TURNAROUND TIME, SIMPLIFY LOGISTICS AND LOWER OVERALL REPAIR COST. THIS IS MICHAEL HAVING DONATED ITEMS HE HAS EARNED TO AC WORLD CLASS TECHNICIAN RECOGNITION A HONOR ACHIEVED BY FEWER THAN 50 TECHNICIANS NATIONWIDE MORE THAN 250,000 AC CERTIFIED TECHNICIANS ONLY ABOUT 2000 WILL REACH THAT LEVEL THE SPRING OF 2026 HE'LL BE RECOGNIZED AT A CONVENTION THAT WAS JUST ONLY AT A CONVENTION AND HE WILL SOON BE GONE TOO FAR. APPARATUS TRAINING AS FLEET SERVICES EXPANDS TO SHELDON FIRE DISTRICT BEFORE A FIRE DEPARTMENT AND A POOR OLD FIRE STATION. THANK YOU VERY. GREG PATTERSON IS OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLE TECHNICIAN KNOWN AS EVP WHICH IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CERTIFICATION FOCUSED ON SAFETY AND DEPENDABILITY ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES. 
          GREG IS RESPONSIBLE MAINTAIN AND BE FOR COUNTY EMS AS FLEET. HE ENSURES THAT ALL VEHICLES REMAIN COMPLIANT MISSION READY. IN ADDITION TO THAT GREG IS ALSO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY MAJOR COMPONENT REPAIRS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY HANDLED BY OUTSIDE VENDORS AND DEALERSHIPS THAT IS STRENGTHENING OUR IN-HOUSE CAPABILITY AND REDUCING DOWNTIME FOR ANALYSIS . RANDY GARDNER HE'S RECOGNIZED FOR NEARLY 38 YEARS OF SERVICE FOR COUNTY. RANDY BEGAN WORKING IN THE COUNTY GARAGE IN 1988 WHEN COUNTY WAS STILL RUNNING THE GARAGE SOON AFTER THAT FLEET SERVICES CAME A CONTRACTOR AND TOOK OVER OUR FLEET SERVICE PROGRAM AND SINCE THEN HE'S BEEN WORKING FOR ME. 
          RANDY CURRENTLY HANDLES ALL ALL FULLY SERVICES CALLS RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE VEHICLES ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY AS OF TODAY FROM JUNE 30TH HE HAS RESPONDED TO HUNDRED AND 89 CALLS AND HAVE BEEN COMPLETED SO FAR. YEP. FINALLY I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR OUTFITTING TEAM ALFORD, BRIAN HALL AND ADRIAN WEBSTER. THEY'VE ALL THREE COMPLETED A SOUND ALL BLUE ELECTRICAL PROGRAM CERTIFICATION. SEAN ALFORD IS OUR MAINTENANCE MANAGER AND HE SUPPORTS THE OUTFITTING TEAM BY SHARING EXPERTIZE, TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE AND HELPING ENSURE CONSISTENCY QUALITY AND SAFE INSTALL PRACTICES ACROSS ALL BUILDS. 
          BRIAN HOPPE OUR LEAD OUTFITTER HERE TO THE LEFT, HAS ALSO COMPLETED THE ADVANCED WELDING ENGINEERING THE INDUSTRY STANDARD TRAINING FOR EMERGENCY LIGHTING VEHICLE CONTROL SYSTEMS UNDER BRIAN'S LEADERSHIP AND THE TEAM IS ALSO DONNING DESIGNING 3D PRINTS WITH THIS 3D PRINTS WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE OUTFITTING TO REDUCE COSTS AND SHORTEN TURNAROUND TIME WHILE MAINTAINING SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL STANDARDS. THANK YOU I WANT TO THANK MY TEAM AND I WANT TO THANK MY TEAM FOR THEIR DEDICATION EXPERTIZE, STRONG WORK ETHIC AND COMMITMENT TO COUNTY. 
          THEIR WORK STRENGTHENS OPERATIONS AND SUPPORTS THOSE WHO SERVE THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY JEREMY. 
          WE GET A VIEW TO COME UP HERE EVERYBODY FOR A PICTURE. YEAH. 
          COULD THE WHOLE GET THAT SEAL ENLISTED RIGHT AS YOU'RE GETTING READY FOR THIS PICTURE ,I WANT YOU TO KNOW SOMETHING. I AM A LIAISON FOR THE PALMETTO BREEZE. 
          THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS GROUP THERE. SOMETHING TELLS ME THOUGH DO YOU GUYS WORK OR TALK WITH THE PALMETTO BREEZE AT ALL? JOHN MR. ROBINSON DO THEY WORK OR TALK WITH ANYBODY AT THE BREEZE? AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THIS I THINK IS BEAUFORT COUNTY'S LUCKY DAY THAT WE GOT TO MEET HERE LIKE THIS BECAUSE THE BREEZE IS A TOP NOTCH ORGANIZATION GREAT MECHANICS BUT I THINK YOU GUYS CONSPIRING TOGETHER BE ABLE TO HELP THEM IN SOME OF THEIR ENDEAVORS. I WOULD SAY MECHANICS THEIR TRADE SECRETS WITH ONE ANOTHER. BUT THERE IS THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE AGREEMENT 
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BETWEEN THE TWO AS A IT'S FINE BUT WE DO HELP EACH OTHER WHEN NEEDED. 
          OH MY WORD. I'LL LISTEN. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. 
          THAT BREEZE A GREAT ASSET TO US AND WHAT YOU DO IS TREMENDOUS AND IF YOU GUYS HELP WE LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. 
          YOUR PICTURE KNOW YOU IF YOU GUYS COULD STAND IN FRONT OF THAT AND GET THAT SEAL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SPREAD. YEAH, YOU GO WOULD YOU WANT TO GET IN THERE WITH HIM ON OH BE GOOD JUST TRYING IT SUGGESTION LIKE TO THANK YOU THANK ALL RIGHT WHO YOU ARE I THINK HE CLAIMS I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT LESS I'M TOLD DIFFERENTLY ANYTHING 
          [8.a. Discussion and Presentation of a Hate Crime Ordinance - Risa Prince, Lowcountry Coalition Against Hate]
ELSE ARE WE GOOD WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE? THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL GO INTO PRESENTATIONS. I MISS PRINCE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD OFF? MISS PRINCE IS GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SO FOR DISCUSSION PRESENTATION DISCUSSION IT'S TO BE ON HATE CRIMES IN AND I'VE KNOWN MISPRINTS A LOT OF YEARS NOW AND SHE BRINGS A LOT OF PASSION AND DEDICATION TO IT AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY. 
          I'M PRESIDENT OF THE LOWCOUNTRY COALITION AGAINST HATE AND HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT THE COALITION AND OUR PARTNER GROUPS WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE SAFETY, DIGNITY AND EQUAL OF EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN BEAUFORT COUNTY TO MAKE SURE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          I'LL BEGIN WITH A FEW DEFINITIONS AND A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IF THIS IS ALREADY FAMILIAR TO YOU LET'S START WITH WHAT OUR HATE CRIMES THE TERM HATE CRIME EMERGED IN THE 1980S TO DESCRIBE BIAS MOTIVATED ATTACKS AGAINST HISTORICALLY TARGETED GROUPS INCLUDING JEWS, ASIANS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS. 
          THE FBI DEFINES A HATE CRIME AS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE AGAINST A PERSON, PROPERTY OR SOCIETY THAT IS MOTIVATED IN WHOLE OR IN PART BY BIAS AGAINST RACE, RELIGION, DISABILITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ETHNICITY, ORIGIN, GENDER OR GENDER IDENTITY. A FEW CLARIFICATIONS HATE CRIMES ARE NOT SPEECH CRIMES THEY REQUIRE AN UNDERLYING CRIMINAL ACT AS ASSAULT, VANDALISM, ARSON, STALKING OR HARASSMENT. THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING PROVIDES FOR PENALTIES WHEN A PERPETRATOR TARGETS A VICTIM BECAUSE OF WHO THAT VICTIM IS NOT BECAUSE OF JUST THE CRIME IS THE UNDERLYING CRIME MUST EXIST AND BOTH THE CRIMINAL ACT AND THE BIAS MOTIVATION MUST PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CRIME AND RESEARCH CONSISTENTLY SHOWS THAT VICTIMS ARE MORE LIKELY TO REPORT HATE CRIMES WHEN LAWS AND REPORTING ARE IN PLACE. I'VE UNFORTUNATE IN ITALY TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE FBI HATE CRIME STATISTICS THEY'VE DOUBLED SINCE 2015 WHILE INCREASED REPORTING ACROSS AGENCIES DOES PLAY A ROLE REPORTING ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ACLU AND THE ADL CONFIRM THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF INCIDENT HAS RISEN SIGNIFICANTLY IN 2015 THERE WERE JUST UNDER 6000 INCIDENTS REPORTED NATIONALLY ABOUT ONE EVERY 90 MINUTES. IN 2020 IT WAS 10,000 AND 2020 FOR THE LAST YEAR FOR WHICH THERE WAS REPORTED DATA IT'S ALMOST 12,000 INCIDENTS OR ONE EVERY 45 MINUTES. 
          SO IN THE TIME WE'VE BEEN IN THIS MEETING THERE'S BEEN A HATE CRIME COMMITTED SOMEWHERE IN THE US. BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE TODAY YOU CAN EXPECT TWO OR THREE MORE. EVEN SO HATE CRIMES REMAIN SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERREPORTED AGAIN WHEN LAWS EXIST AND AGENCIES HAVE TRAINING TO RECOGNIZE AND INVESTIGATE THEM PEOPLE WILL COME FORTH WITH THEIR INCIDENTS TARGET WISE RACE AND ETHNICITY ACCOUNTS FOR OVER HALF OF THE HATE CRIMES REPORTED ANTI-BLACK BIAS THE MOST FREQUENT RELIGION ACCOUNTS FOR A QUARTER OF THE INCIDENTS WITH ANTI-JEWISH HATE CRIMES REACHING RECORD LEVELS AGAIN LAST YEAR AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 20% 
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OF REPORTED HATE CRIMES GAY MEN BEING MOST FREQUENTLY TARGETED . 
          IMPORTANTLY, THE DATA SHOWS THAT ANYBODY CAN BE A VICTIM ONE IN FIVE RACE BASED CRIMES TARGETED WHITE VICTIMS ONE IN EIGHT RELIGION BASED CRIMES TARGETED AND ABOUT HALF OF THE GENDER BASED CRIMES TARGET MEN RIGHT NOW 27 STATES AND WASHINGTON D.C. REQUIRE HATE CRIME REPORTING BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND 14 STATES MANDATE SPECIALIZED CRIME TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS. SOUTH CAROLINA CURRENTLY HAS NO REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND NO TRAINING MANDATES. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? IT ENSURES EQUAL PROTECTION REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WHERE A CRIME OCCURS. 
          SO IF A CRIME CURRENTLY OCCURS IN A STATE HAS A HATE CRIME BILL IT CAN BE CHARGED. 
          YOU CAN'T CHARGE THAT CAROLINA TODAY IT IMPROVES OUTCOMES FOR VICTIMS AND IT STRENGTHENS PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. YET WE'RE STILL LACKING JUSTICE FOR HATE CRIME VICTIMS IN SOUTH CAROLINA WHILE THERE ARE FEDERAL CRIME LAWS THEY DON'T COVER EVERY INCIDENT. THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1968 BANNED HOUSING DISCRIMINATION, THE SHEPARD AND BYRD HATE CRIMES PREVENTION WAS THE FIRST LAW TO EXPOSE COVER OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY BUT APPLIES ONLY WHEN CRIMES INVOLVE INTERSTATE COMMERCE OR OCCUR ON FEDERAL LAND AND THERE IS A ANTI LYNCHING ACT ONLY COVERING LYNCHING WITH WITH PENALTIES FOR THE UNDERLYING CRIME FOR HATE CRIMES THAT FALL OUT OF FEDERAL JURISDICTION STATE LAW MUST PROVIDE PROTECTION AND WHEN STATE LAW IS ABSENT THAT RESPONSIBILITY FALLS TO COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES. SINCE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK 2018 SIX ADDITIONAL STATES HAVE PASSED HATE CRIME LAWS FOR A TOTAL OF 48. 
          TODAY SOUTH CAROLINA AND WYOMING REMAIN THE ONLY STATES WITHOUT A HATE CRIME LAW WHILE . 95% OF THE U.S. POPULATION IS COVERED . 
          100% OF SOUTH CAROLINIANS LACK PROTECTION BECAUSE I ENGAGE IN THIS ADVOCACY SEE I PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO REPORTED HATE CRIMES AND THOSE THAT STRIKE CLOSER TO HOME AFFECT ME DEEPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE MEANT TO HATE CRIMES ARE NOT DESIGNED TO JUST HARM ONE PERSON THEY'RE DESIGNED TO INTIMIDATE AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE MORE RECENT CRIMES. IN 2015 NINE PEOPLE WERE MURDERED AT MOTHER EMANUEL AME CHURCH IN CHARLESTON VICTIMS INCLUDED THE FLEET STATE SENATOR CLEMENTA PINCKNEY WHO PREVIOUSLY WAS A PASTOR AT CAMPBELL CHAPEL IN BLUFFTON THAT CASE WAS PROSECUTED FEDERALLY BECAUSE FEDERAL LAW COULD APPLY BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS IN A CHURCH BUT CLOSER TO HOME. HERE ARE SOME OTHER HATE CRIMES 2021 HEADSTONES IN BEAUFORT HISTORIC JEWISH CEMETERY WERE DEFACED WITH ANTI-SEMITIC GRAFFITI IN 2023 RACIAL SLURS. SWASTIKAS WERE SPRAY PAINTED AT A HARDY VILLE HOTEL SITE LAST YEAR IN RICHLAND COUNTY NEAR COLUMBIA. A MAN WAS FIRED A MAN FIRED A RIFLE AT SOMEONE WHO WAS STANDING IN HIS YARD WAITING TO GET PICKED UP FOR HIS WORK CAR POOL AND THE PERPETRATOR SAID WHY HE FIRED AT HIM WAS BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK AND HE WAS FORTUNATELY UNDER THAT COUNTY'S HATE CRIME ORDINANCE. AND JUST LAST MONTH THE ONLY SYNAGOGUE IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI A COMMUNITY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS OURS WAS FIREBOMBED AND NEARLY DESTROYED AT MY SYNAGOGUE CONGREGATION YAM, THE ONLY ONE IN HILTON HEAD WE FACED SEVERAL CREDIBLE BOMB THREATS. WE DID HAVE BCSO OUT AND CLEAR THE PROPERTY BUT THAT HAPPENED NUMEROUS. WE ALSO HOLD ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING AND WE HIRE ARMED SECURITY FOR EVERY EVENT IN OUR BUILDING. 
          I ASK YOU TO IMAGINE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO WALK PAST GUARDS WHEN YOU ENTER YOUR CHURCH AND YOU TRY TO WORSHIP THOSE CONDITIONS. IT'S NOT THE THE PRAYERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF MY YOUTH. I LOOK AROUND, I'M I'VE ALWAYS GOT EYES ON THE BUILDING OUR OPEN DOORS, OUR WINDOWS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SECURITY OUTSIDE. 
          SO THESE EVENTS ABSTRACT THEY'RE HAPPENING NOW IN THE TAI AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM A LOT OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS STATEWIDE A HATE 
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CRIME BILL BY REPRESENTATIVE WESTON NEWTON PASSED THE SOUTH CAROLINA HOUSE BOTH IN THE 2122 AND 2324 SESSIONS AND THAT BILL ALSO PASSED THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. 
          HOWEVER, UNDER SENATE RULES A SINGLE SENATOR CAN PREVENT A BILL FROM REACHING THE FLOOR IN THE LATEST SESSION SENATOR SHANE MASSIE WAS THE LONE STOPPING THE BILL FROM MOVING FORWARD SO WE STILL NOT HAVE A SOUTH CAROLINA BILL AND SOUTH CAROLINIANS WHO ARE VICTIMS OF HATE CRIMES CANNOT RECEIVE JUSTICE UNDER STATE LAW AS A RESULT, THE MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION CRAFTED AN ORDINANCE THAT PENALIZES HATE INTIMIDATION, UNDERLYING CRIMES INCLUDE VIOLENCE, STALKING, HARASSMENT AND VANDALISM. THOSE ARE ALL NONVIOLENT CRIMES AND ABOUT 25 MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ALREADY INTRODUCED AND ENACTED THAT HATE INTIMIDATION HATE THE VIOLATIONS ARE MISDEMEANORS AND THEY ARE PUNISHABLE BY FINES UP TO $500 AND IMPRISONMENT FOR UP TO 30 DAYS ON TOP OF THE THE PENALTIES THAT UNDERLYING CRIME THE TOWN OF BEAUFORT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, PORT ROYAL AND HARDY VILLE HAVE ALL PASSED THAT HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE. SO WHEN HATE INTIMIDATION VIOLATIONS OCCUR IN THOSE MUNICIPALITIES CHARGES CAN BE FILED BUT WHEN THOSE SAME VIOLATIONS OCCUR HILTON HEAD OR IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY NO SUCH CHARGES CAN BE BROUGHT. SO RIGHT NOW JUSTICE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY DEPENDS ON WHERE THE VIOLATION OCCURS. WHAT'S THE SIMPLEST ACTION YOU CAN TAKE IS TO ENACT A HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE. LANGUAGE IS AVAILABLE ON THE MEAC WEBSITE AND I WILL GIVE MISS BROCK A COPY OF IT AS WELL TOO TO SEND OUT TO YOU THAT COULD LIKELY BE DONE IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL AT LARGE. ENACTING THIS WILL REMEDY UNEQUAL PROTECTION FOR VICTIMS OF NONVIOLENT CRIMES IN THE COUNTY. 
          HOWEVER, I'M THAT YOU WILL ALSO CONSIDER A SECOND ACTION TO SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE TO ENHANCE PENALTIES FOR VIOLENT CRIMES. THAT LANGUAGE WOULD MIRROR REPRESENTATIVE NEWTON'S BILL AND INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING ATTEMPTED MURDER, ASSAULT AND BATTERY CRIMINAL SEXUAL CONDUCT VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, CARJACKING, ARSON, BURGLARY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. WHEN ONE OF THESE UNDERLYING CRIMES IS COMMITTED AND BIAS MOTIVATION CAN BE PROVEN BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THOSE ENHANCED PENALTIES WOULD APPLY TOGETHER THESE ORDINANCES PROTECT FREE SPEECH AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHILE HOLDING OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR CRIMINAL ACTS. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY ENACT A CAREFULLY CREATED ORDINANCE THAT STRENGTHENS, PROTECTS OUR VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND RESPECTS RIGHTS. SO IN CLOSING, I URGE YOU TO TAKE TO DO THESE TWO THINGS BRING THE HATE ORDINANCE TO THIS BODY AND THEN DIRECT TO DRAFT THE HATE CRIME ORDINANCE SO THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS, OUR FAMILIES, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS CAN RECEIVE JUSTICE ANYWHERE THEY ARE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION TODAY AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. WE'LL OPEN THIS UP WITHOUT A DOUBT FOR DISCUSSION BUT JUST LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NEWTON BILL, THE WEST NEWTON BILL AND OTHER THINGS DO WE HAVE COPIES OF THOSE MS. BROCK IN OUR POSSESSION NOW I HAVE THEM HERE. 
          WELL YES MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE AND ALSO THEY'RE IN BACK UP. YEAH I THOUGHT OKAY MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THAT IN THE COPY YOUR PRESENTATION AS WELL I WANT TO OPEN IT UP RIGHT NOW COUNCILMEMBER KELLEN HARRIS RIGHT. THANKS FOR. 
          COMING OVER THAT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THAT ASKING US TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HATE INTIMIDATION BILL AS A STARTED WHICH IS AT THE MISDEMEANOR LEVEL WHICH WOULD APPEAR IN MAGISTRATE'S COURT. BUT TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE REALLY IS SEEKING ENHANCEMENTS TO PENALTIES FOR AN UNDERLYING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SO IF THERE'S A SEPARATE CHARGEABLE OFFENSE AND THERE'S A CONVICTION AND WE CAN SHOW SOME PREJUDICE OR BIAS MOTIVATION OR OTHER DISCRIMINATORY MOTIVES THEN THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE PENALTY. 
          SO IF THE UNDERLYING SUBSTANTIVE CHARGE WAS A FIVE YEAR PENALTY THAT COULD END IN 
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EIGHT YEARS OR TEN YEARS WITH THE WITH THE ENHANCEMENT IF WE CAN THE MOTIVATION WAS PREJUDICED, BIASED OR HAD OTHER DISCRIMINATORY MOTIVES, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THE UNDERLYING CRIME OCCURRED AND THAT THE TARGETING OF THE SPECIFIC VICTIM WAS THEY WERE PART OF THE PROTECTED CLASS. OKAY. I I'D LIKE TO JUST RESERVE SOME TIME HERE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND AT THE END OF THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL COME BACK TO YOU AT THE END. A DOUBT. YES. 
          DISCUSSION? YEAH. RITA, YOU SAID THAT SEVERAL OF OUR MUNICIPAL POLICE HAVE PASSED THAT ONE PARTICULAR BE COUNTY ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE AND AT THIS POINT RICHLAND COUNTY HAS ADOPTED HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE AND THEY'RE IN THE COLUMBIA AREA. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST COUNTY TO ADOPT THE THE ONE THAT'S STALLED AT THE STATE LEVEL. YES. MR. SENT OUT AN AG OPINION AND I'M PLEASED I DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT THAT AG OPINION IS I'M I COULDN'T SUPPORT THIS UNTIL THE STATE SUPPORTS I SUPPORT IT PERSONALLY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. I THINK ACCORDING TO THAT AG OPINION AND WHAT WE READ IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE COUNTY TO PASS THIS WE HAVE NO WAY OF DOING THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO GET LEGAL COUNSEL TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY AROUND THE AG OPINION AS I'VE READ IT AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SAYS THAT IT IS NON-BINDING I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS LEGALLY I AM STRONGLY ADVOCATING THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP AND I'M TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE THE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT US AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMEBODY TAKE THAT STEP FORWARD AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT REPRESENTATIVE NEWTON WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE CONSULTED ON THIS. 
          MR. HOLBERT, YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS IN THIS GET JUST A FEW COMMENTS FROM FIRST OF ALL I'M A CAREER PROSECUTOR. PROSECUTED FOR 21 YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS AND 15 YEARS OVER TO HILTON HEAD ISLAND. SO AM PRO-LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF HATE CRIME BEING ADOPTED IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. BUT MY OPINION IS THAT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A HATE CRIME TO BE ADOPTED IS AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          THE STATE IS THE ENTITY THAT DETERMINES WHAT A CRIME IS IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. 
          THE AG OPINION TOUCHES AROUND OR DANCES AROUND THE ISSUE THAT A MUNICIPALITY OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T ADOPT A CRIME THAT THE STATE HAS AND RECOGNIZE BECAUSE THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE AREA AS FAR AS ADOPTION CRIMES CHILDREN CRIME IS SO A CITY OR A COUNTY SHOULDN'T DETERMINE SOMETHING IS A CRIME THAT THE STATE HAS CRIMINALIZED BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE A CRIME ANYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IF YOU DO SOMETHING HERE IT'S A CRIME BUT YOU CROSS OVER TWO FEET TO ANOTHER COUNTY OR CITY AND IT'S NOT A CRIME. ALL RIGHT. 
          IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THERE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, A HATE CRIME IS A VERY SERIOUS CRIME AND IT SHOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH SERIOUS CRIMES. 
          I THINK HE WOULD BE TRULY TRIVIALIZING IT IF YOU MADE IT A MISDEMEANOR I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD LESSEN THE IMPACT OF WHAT A HATE CRIME IS MORE. IMPORTANTLY THE ENTITIES THAT SHE MENTIONED THAT HAVE ADOPTED THIS PRO FORMA HATE CRIME AS AN ORDINANCE THEY ALL HAVE LOCAL POLICE FORCES THAT ENFORCE THEIR LAWS FOR THEM AND THEY'VE ADOPTED ORDINANCES THAT HAVE ADOPTED THE STATE CRIMES REPEATED IN ORDINANCE. COUNTY HAS DONE THAT HAVE NOT CRIMINALIZE ASSAULT OR BREACH OR VANDALISM OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          THE SHERIFF OUR LAWS BUT ENFORCES THE STATE LAWS AND EVERYONE THAT'S IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S ADOPTED THOSE ORDINANCES THEY CAN DO FOR THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL APPROPRIATE FOR A MISDEMEANOR AT THE LOCAL LEVEL THEY GET A CHARGE THE ORDINANCE OR THE STATE LAW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL POLICE FORCE. WE HAVE A SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT ENFORCES THE STATE LAW THEY WOULDN'T ENFORCE THE AUDIENCE BUT WE HAD WE WOULD HAVE TO INTERRUPT ENTIRE CRIMINAL CODE TO ASSOCIATE A HATE CRIME WITH TO THAT IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO DO THAT TOO YOU HAVE TO SAY ALL RIGHT LET'S ADOPT ASSAULT AND BATTERY OR THE CRIMINAL CODE OF OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND GO THROUGH AND LISTED DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BY HARTSVILLE OR BLUFFTON OR BEAUFORT AND THEY'RE ENFORCED THEIR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN CHOOSE TO EITHER ENFORCE IT UNDER STATE CODE OR THE LOCAL CODE BECAUSE THEY PASSED THAT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE IN COUNTY MOST OF THE TIME THE SERIOUS CRIMES 
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ALL THE TIME SERIOUS CRIMES ARE GOING TO GO TO A CIRCUIT COURT AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE STATE COURT BECAUSE A MISDEMEANOR ONLY GET UP TO A $500 FINE AND 30 DAYS CONFINEMENT. THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT SUMMARY COURT OR MISDEMEANOR COURT. 
          THE LOWER LEVEL IS THE LOWEST LEVEL MISDEMEANOR THAT HAVE THERE AND I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T TRIVIALIZE AND WE SHOULD TAKE THE STATE'S LEAD AS FAR AS IF IT IS GOING TO A HATE CRIME IS GOING TO BE A VIOLATION OF THE CRIMINAL CODE IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND NOT HERE LOCALLY. ADDITIONALLY YOU TALK ABOUT YOU'VE ADOPTED ORDINANCES TO MAKE IT A HATE CRIME AND THEY ATTACH IT TO DIFFERENT CODES. YOU CAN'T TAKE ORDINANCE AND ENHANCE A STATE CODE VIOLATION . YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          A STATE CODE WOULD HAVE TO BE ENHANCED BY A STATE LAW NOT A LOCAL LAW. 
          YOU CAN'T TAKE A FEDERAL LAW AND ENHANCE IT BY A STATE LAW. YOU HAVE TO ENHANCE IT WITH THE THINGS FOR A VIOLATION WITHIN THAT LEVEL OF LAW THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED THERE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. MR. HOLBROOK THANK YOU, RITA BACK TO YOU. 
          IF I COULD JUST TRY TO TIE THIS TOGETHER THIS LONE SENATOR THAT DID NOT THIS TO GO TO THE FLOOR FOR A DISCUSSION APPROVAL? IS THAT WHAT MR. HALL WAS TALKING ABOUT AT THE STATE END ? SECONDLY, HOW CAN WESTERN NEWTON HELP US TO TAKE CARE OF GET YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY COULD WE HELP THE SENATE TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS ON THIS. 
          THE THERE IS A MAJORITY OF STATE SENATORS WHO WOULD VOTE FOR THIS BUT THE CURRENT STATE LAW ENABLES ONE SENATOR TO FILE AN WHICH STOPS ANY BILL FROM MOVING FORWARD. 
          HE JUST DIDN'T GIVE US THE REASONS WHY THAT SENATOR YOU FIND OUT I HAVE READ WHAT HE SAID. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR HIM. RIGHT. 
          BUT ESSENTIALLY HAS THE LAST STATEMENT HE MADE IS IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE IS VOTING ON THIS OR HIS ACTION ON THIS, THEY CAN AND I'M PARAPHRASING WELL FIND ANOTHER PERSON TO RUN AGAINST HIM AND WIN. SO THANK YOU THAT I THINK SOMEBODY WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION DAVID OR AND OKAY LET'S GO TO YOUR NO NO I'M GOING THERE GOOD OH YOU'RE I THINK I WANT TO JUST PIGGY WILL FOLLOW A COMMENT THAT THE CHAIRMAN IS RAISE AT THIS TIME AND THE POLITICS OF I SUPPORT THE HATE CRIME BILL I THINK I I'VE BEEN WANTING TO BRING BEFORE THIS BODY HERE FOR YEARS HOWEVER I HAVE NEVER DONE SO SO IN I THINK MR. MCGOWAN HAD BASICALLY HAD TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN MOVED FORWARD. 
          THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE HAVE COME AND NOW IT'S HERE IN THE CHAMBER. 
          I WOULD WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN AND I AGREE WITH MISS HOWARD THAT IN WHEN OUR ATTORNEY BESIDE STATE DOING IT MAKING IT A CRIME IS HARD FOR A COUNTY AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS ESSENTIAL UNTIL OUR LAWYER JUST SPOKE ABOUT IT. 
          SO HOW CAN WE MOVE THIS ALONG? HOW CAN WE USE THE WISDOM OF REPRESENTATIVE NEWTON? NEWTON YEAH I WILL. YEAH. HOW CAN WE USE THAT? HIS WISDOM TO HELP US HE WAS ONCE HERE SO HE CAN PROBABLY HE ADVISES ON HOW WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG HOW BEST TO MOVE THIS ALONG. I WOULD WANT TO TAKE THAT KIND OF RIGHT NOW TO MOVE THIS WELL THANK YOU. I HAVE A LONG LIST OF AND WITH THE NEW CAN BASIC MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US DO THAT BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE SYSTEM AND HE'S BEEN HERE THIS TABLE SO I WOULD PREFER OUR ADMINISTRATORS OUR LEGAL GET WITH HIM OR EVEN THE CHAIRMAN OF COUNCIL GET WITH HIM AND SEE HOW HE CAN HELP US IN VISORS TO MOVE THIS ALONG WITH I ADDRESS THAT SURE HEY YORK AND EVERYONE ELSE SIT DOWN WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT MOMENT THIS EVENT TO OCCUR AND WHILE WON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING CONTRARY TO THE POSITION THAT 
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THE STATE HAS TAKEN WE SIMPLY CAN'T WE HAVE AN OPTION TO HAVE THOSE TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO MOVE THE STATE FROM FROM THEIR POSITION CREATED BY ONE MAN'S OBJECTION. 
          BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO SOMETHING LOCALLY WITH REGARD THE HATE AND HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE AND I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COUNTY WITHIN THE STATE THAT HAS DONE THAT AND THINK IT'S RICHLAND COUNTY. THEY HAVE A HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE AND I THINK CAN AS A FIRST STEP TAKE A STEP TOWARDS DOING THAT WHILE WE TALK TO EVERYONE WOULD BE EVERYBODY ELSE ABOUT MOVING IT FORWARD TOO SO THAT WE'RE NOT ONE OF ONLY TWO STATES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT DON'T HAVE A HATE CRIME BILL? I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THE DISCUSSION STOPS TO THAT END AND MY WILL BE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE FORWARD THIS TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR FULL CONSIDERATION OF MOVING FORWARD BY DIRECTING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY TO COME FORWARD WITH A HATE INTIMIDATION BILL THAT MIRRORS THAT'S BEEN PRODUCED BY RICHLAND COUNTY AND LET'S SEE WE CAN PASS THAT A FIRST STEP TO SHOW PEOPLE WE ARE DETERMINED AND INTERESTED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WHILE THE OTHER ISSUE AT THE STATE LEVEL IS MOVING TOWARD BEING RESOLVED. 
          I WILL SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN SECOND AND WANT TO DO THAT UNTIL WELL WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE COULD STILL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S LET'S VOTE ON THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE TO SEE IF IT'S WORTH THAT DISCUSSION. LET'S DO ABOUT OKAY IF WE NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION. BUT MY LAST QUESTION WE'LL GO ROUND AGAIN HERE IS HAVE YOU HAD TALKS WITH SOME THE SHERIFF TANNER? I HAVE NOT. 
          YOU HAVE NOT? NO I BELIEVE WILL THEY'D BE RECEPTIVE AND I MR. GORMLEY'S HERE AS WELL THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT IT BUT LISTEN LET'S DO THAT AS WELL BUT I LIKE COUNCILMEMBER COHEN'S POINT. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR A PARLIAMENTARIAN DAVID IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A MOTION ON AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? YES, IT CAN BE A MOTION COMING FROM IT. 
          I BELIEVE IT WOULD TAKE A OR THE LARGER MAJORITY THERE TO RATHER THAN A GENERAL MATTER. 
          WELL THE MOTION IS TO IS TO MOVE IT WHICH IS THE DUTY OF THE COMMITTEE TO FULL COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO PASS A INTIMIDATION BILL HERE I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR AND ASK THEM TO PASS A RESOLUTION TO DIRECT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON PRESENTING TO US A HATE INTIMIDATION BILL FOR OUR POTENTIAL ACTION. 
          YES. IS IT FOR RESOLUTION. OKAY. 
          AND IF HE REWORD IT LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID YEAH CONSIDER IT REWORD IT AND WE HAVE THAT BEFORE WE GO TO THAT VOTE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING IN THIS REGARD? NOT BUT LISTEN I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN IT UP TO THE VOTE RIGHT NOW IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, LET US KNOW. CAN YOU PLEASE REITERATE THE MOTION JUST TO MAKE SURE PLEASE ? WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE HAVE A I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR TO REFER THIS TO FULL COUNCIL FOR THEIR TO DIRECT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE LANGUAGE FOR A HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE COULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR POTENTIAL ACTION. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. DOBSON. SO WOULD YOU SECOND YOU AS OUR SECOND MOTION AND SECOND AGAIN I'LL SAY ANY OBJECTIONS SO MUCH SO MOVED THAT'S ONE HEARING NONE OF THIS IS APPROVED THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST POSITIVE STEP FORWARD. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE CONSIDERED TODAY TO REALLY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. TIME ONCE AGAIN. OKAY. 
          [9.a. An Ordinance adding a new Section 54-8 to the Beaufort County Code of Ordinances so as to prohibit and make unlawful the discharge of firearms in certain unincorporated areas of the county, to provide the penalty pertaining to such violations, and to provide certain expectations and limitations thereto. (FISCAL IMPACT: N/A) - County Attorney Brian Hulbert]
WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO AGENDA ITEMS I THINK WE'LL DO NINE A AND WOULD THAT BE DO WE WANT TO DO THE GUN ORDINANCE OR DO YOU WANT TO TO DO THE MID-YEAR BUDGET FIRST? HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN ORDER ME TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE ADDING A NEW SECTION 54 EIGHT TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY CODE OF ORDINANCES TO THE THE PROHIBIT AND MAKE UNLAWFUL THE DISCHARGE FIREARMS IN CERTAIN UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY. 
          WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ON MR. HOLBERT? OH, WE NEED A MOTION IN SECOND ON THE FAR RIGHT TO GET TO THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR SECOND MOTION AND SECOND SECONDED. YOU HAVE THAT. MS. BLOCK OKAY. 
          OKAY. WE CAN START NOW YOU RECALL BACK IN NOVEMBER THIS COMMITTEE ENTERTAINED A REQUEST AND A PRESENTATION FROM THE RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY AND JEREMY BRATCHER REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT THE DISCHARGE FIREARMS. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND THE COMMITTEE DIRECTED STAFF TO 
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PREPARE DRAFT ORDINANCE REFER IT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION. I'VE DONE THAT THEY DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE BASED UPON AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS DRAFTED BY THE CITY OF CHARLESTON AND ADOPTED BY CHARLESTON SENT IT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH HIS COURT WITH MR. GORMLEY, GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN DISCUSSION HAVE MADE THE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE HIS CONCERNS AND COMMENTS AND THAT IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE YOU HERE TODAY AND THE MAIN THING TO KNOW ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT'S YOU HERE TODAY IS THAT WE PROHIBIT THE DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS NEAR BUILDINGS, SCHOOLS AND PARKS WITHIN 500 FEET. 
          YOU'LL RECALL THAT THE CHARLESTON ORDINANCE ADOPTED WAS WITHIN 100 FEET. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO LIMITING AND WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 1000 FEET ASTY. RIVERSIDE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THOUGHT THAT THAT TOO BROAD BE TOO TOUGH TO MAKE THAT CASE. THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER IF IT'S MORE LIKE THEY THOUGHT IT'D BE EASIER IF WE DID CHARLESTON'S 100 FEET BUT THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE 500 FEET AND IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO THE INVESTIGATION AND START TO MAKE THEIR CASE THAT THEY COULD BE PRESENT IN IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR. 
          SO 500 FEET IS THE DISTANCE THAT WE WANT TO PROHIBIT IT. THAT IS BEFORE HERE FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION TODAY TO FORWARD TO COUNSEL FURTHER AND APPROVAL YES SIR QUESTION NUMBER ONE YOU SAID THAT THIS WAS WITH THE OF THE SHERIFF SO THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR ALL OF UNINCORPORATED BEAUFORT COUNTY. SO QUESTION NUMBER TWO WILL THIS BE TO ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE IF THEY WOULD ADOPT A SIMILAR ORDINANCE ? I CAN CERTAINLY FORWARD IT TO EACH MUNICIPALITY, LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE THE COUNTY AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT SIMILAR ORDINANCE ALTHOUGH THEY WILL HAVE THE LARGE SPACES LIKE WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DENSITY THE MUNICIPALITIES THEY COULD CHANGE THE DISTANCE THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANT IT TO BE WITHIN 100 FEET OR 50 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT. 
          OKAY. SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A COORDINATED EFFORT BECAUSE AS SOMEONE SAID IT WAS DISCHARGED IN BUT THE FINAL RESTING PLACE FOR THE AMMUNITION WAS IN UNINCORPORATED BEAUFORT COUNTY. SO YOU HAVE OVERLAPPING THERE IN A MUNICIPALITY RIGHT IN THE MUNICIPALITY IN BOTH INSTANCES ONE WAS PORT ROYAL AND THE OTHER WAS BLUFFTON RIGHT. 
          OKAY. I MIGHT ASK WHAT WAS THE SHERIFF'S POSITION AS FAR AS THE THOUSAND FEET? HE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO FAR OF A DISTANCE TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHO SHOT IT. WERE THERE WITNESSES AND WHERE IT WENT? THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS WHAT HIS CONCERNS WERE. YES. 
          DO WE KNOW THE DISTANCE OF THE INCIDENTS WE'RE DEALING WITH CURRENTLY HOW FAR THEY WERE? I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS YOU HEARD TODAY IN TESTIMONY 365 FEET. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SHERIFF MASS OR RIVERSIDE. I'VE HEARD 650 AND 700 FEET OVER AT RIVERSIDE WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS HERE THAT CAN CONFIRM THE DISTANCES BUT I BELIEVE MOST OF THE RESIDENCES AT THE NEW RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY WOULD BE MORE 500 FEET WHICH COULD BE A CONCERN. YEAH I THINK BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA BASED ON MY OWN UNDERSTAND THE VARIANCE AND AND WORK RECORD AND MY OWN EXPERIENCE FOR YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THE WEAPONS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE CAN DO GREAT DAMAGE FROM GREAT DISTANCES AND I'M DISCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT 500 FEET IS THE NUMBER A MORE IN FAVOR OF A THOUSAND? I'M TO STAND ON THAT AND I'LL VOTE NO TO THIS IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE I MEAN I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION. CORRECT. 
          BUT THIS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO COUNCIL TO MOVE IT ON TO COME OVER TO COUNCIL THANK THE FIRST READING READING COUNCILMAN BARTHOLOMEW YES. HEY, THANK YOU. 
          SO I GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MORE OF A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE THAN COULD BE CLEANED UP WITH AN AGREEMENT PUT IN PLACE BETWEEN THE SHERIFF AND THE MUNICIPALITIES. 
          AND I GUESS MY MY THOUGHT IS THE SAME RATIONALE THAT WAS JUST ARTICULATE REGARDING THE HATE CRIME BILL AND THE UNIFORMITY OF OUR CRIMINAL CODE . 
          HOW DOES THAT PLAY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CRIMINAL CODE 1623 FOR FORT 40 AND THIS 
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THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE 1620 IS THAT THE STATE DISCHARGE FOR HUNTING? FOR HUNTING WELL THE STATE HAS A HAD SOME JOINT SERVICES DISCHARGES OF DWELLINGS YEAH THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME OF BOTH IT SEEMS TO BE A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE BETWEEN WELL THAT'S NOT A MODERATE COUNTY. WELL THAT'S A THAT'S A STATE LAW SO THAT'S THE LEGISLATION ORDINANCE WOULD BE A LOCAL LAW THAT WOULD ALTER THAT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DIFFERENCES IN THE LOCAL AREA AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE AND WOULD NOT BE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW BECAUSE THE STATE HAS MADE IT A CRIME TO DISCHARGE IT UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          WE'RE JUST ALTERING TO FIT THE NEEDS OF  COUNTY. RIGHT. 
          THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A DISTANCE IN THE STATE LAW. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IF YOU GET IT HANDY RIGHT THERE DAVID I GOT YOU IN THE CRIMINAL CODE 1623 440 THERE'S NO DISTANCE THIS A DISCHARGE INTO A DWELLING OR AIRCRAFT VEHICLE REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE OR DISCHARGE INTO A THE DISTANCES IN A SEPARATE CODE 5011 740 AND THAT DEALS WITH HUNTING IN THE 300 YARD I SAID BUT BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE CODE FOR DISCHARGING TO A DWELLING REGARDLESS OF DISTANCE. THAT'S CORRECT SAYS IT'S UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO DISCHARGE OR CAUSE TO BE DISCHARGED UNLAWFULLY. FIREARM AT OR INTO A DWELLING HOUSE OR BUILDING STRUCTURE OR ENCLOSURE OCCUPIED BY PERSONS A PERSON WHO VIOLATES PROVISIONS OF THE IS GUILTY OF FELONY IN A CONVICTION SO THAT'S ALREADY BEAR YEAH BUT NO DISTANCE WE'RE JUST ADDING YOU KNOW HERE YOU WHAT YOU NEED IS THE DISTANCE PORTION FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT IN THE COURT HOW IS ANYBODY GOING TO KNOW IF I WAS 501 FEET AWAY OR 1001 FEET AWAY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT'S PART OF THE INVESTIGATION THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO DO AND THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN AS FAR AS WHY THEY WANTED TO REDUCE TO 500 FEET TO MAKE IT EASY TO DETERMINE WHERE THE FIREARM WAS DISCHARGED FROM, WHERE BULLET WENT, ETC. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THE INVESTIGATION BUT THE STATE DOESN'T NEED A DISTANCE. 
          WHY WOULD WE NEED A DISTANCE IF IT GOES TO A DWELLING OR AN AIRPLANE WHERE PEOPLE ARE SCHOOL OR PLAYGROUND WHY DO WE NEED DISTANCE IF THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE DISTANCE? DO WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN TO MAKE IT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO? JUST LEAVE THE DISTANCE AND GO WITH WHERE WE ARE. IT ENDS UP IT DOESN'T. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW INTENT UNDER THE STATE LAW YOU WOULD HAVE TO I GOT IT. OKAY. 
          HEY, DANIEL, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. WELL, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE THE BOY. 
          YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, I GUESS. WELL, BUT ALSO WHERE THE IMPACT TO THE BULLET WAS DETERMINED WHAT THE DISTANCE WAS. WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DISTANCE. 
          I WAS WELL THE ABSENCE IS AS FAR AS THE BUT WE'RE MAKING IT IN A FENCE WHETHER IT IMPACTS A DWELLING OR NOT I UNDERSTAND VERY SORRY. THERE'S NO COUNCILMEMBER JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS THE CHIEF SAID WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH INTENT. 
          RIGHT. SO IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THERE PRACTICING HITTING INTO A BATHROOM, SHOOTING OUT COCAINE ON THE TREE, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT NECESSARILY INTENT TO SHOOT AT OR INTO A DWELLING WHICH LIMITS US LAW ENFORCEMENT TO NOT ONLY ACTUATE AN ARREST BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE A CASE. DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE THE ORDINANCE THAT MR. HOLDER IS PROPOSING TO COUNSEL THAT 500 FEET NOW WILL SPEAK TO THE 500 FEET BECAUSE THAT IS A CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE GET A CALL, WE RESPOND OUT THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT ADD A IDENTIFY WHO SHOT. RIGHT. 
          SO THE LIKELIHOOD CONTINUING TO SHOOT AT THE TIME OF OUR ARRIVAL IS PROBABLY SLIM TO NONE BE IF FIRING THE GUN IS NOT GOING ON AT THE TIME WE DON'T HAVE AN EXIGENCY TO GO ON TO ANYBODY'S PERSONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY. RIGHT. 
          SO WE'VE GOT TO GO OBTAIN A SEARCH WARRANT THEN WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICULARLY LOCATE WHERE THE GUN WAS BEING DISCHARGED FROM TO GET 500 FEET. 
          THEN WE HAVE TO FIND WHO SHOT IT. THEN WE HAVE TO FIND A HOME THE 500 FEET RADIUS WHO IS WILLING TO COME IN AND, TESTIFY IN COURT THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DISCHARGE THAT FIREARM WITHIN HUNDRED FEET. 
          IT'S A LOT OF STEPS SO A THOUSAND FEET SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE AND. 
          I KNOW I'M SYMPATHETIC THIS SITUATION I'M NOT AT ALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AT ALL BUT WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS AN ORDINANCE THAT HASN'T TEETH AND SOME ENFORCEABILITY NOT A FEEL GOOD ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN'T ANYTHING WITH 500 FEET ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE WITNESSES THAT COULD COME IN AND CORROBORATE THE EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED WE DO A THOUSAND FEET THROUGH A WOODLAND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EYEWITNESSES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN PROSECUTE BUT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMAN BARTHOLOMEW A DAY. I JUST THIS IS FOR AREN'T YOU 
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AND BRIAN JUST VOLUNTEER IN READING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION THESE ARE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION FOR THE ORDINANCE IT IT SEEM TO ALLUDE TO THE FACT THAT CIVIL PENALTIES ARE PERMISSIBLE DOESN'T GET INTO THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT OF DIFFERENT STATE CODE AND ALL THAT STUFF IS THERE ANY BENEFIT RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO THROUGH CRIMINAL ROUTE IF WE WERE TO EXPAND A CIVIL CAUSE OF ACTION AND ALLOW THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT'S IMPACTED TO SUE FOR I MEAN I KNOW THEY CAN ARGUE SUE FOR NEGLIGENCE BUT CREATE AN ORDINANCE A CIVIL ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THAT WOULD THERE'S THERE'S ALREADY A CIVIL REMEDY IN PLACE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY CAN FILE A I'M SORRY UNDER THE WEATHER TODAY THEY CAN FILE THE CEASE DESIST ORDER GO THROUGH CIVIL SUIT FOR WHAT ENJOYMENT TOWARD ACTIONS AS YOU WELL KNOW. 
          I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH SPECIFICALLY THE RIVERSIDE IS THERE A MULTITUDE OF HOUSES ON THAT ROAD THAT ARE DISCHARGING FIREARMS OFF OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS INTO THIS. SO TO PINPOINT AN PERSON WHO'S DISCHARGING AT THAT EXACT TIME WITH THE LITANY OF HOUSES WHO ARE OVER THERE SHOOTING MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT. 
          BUT FROM A CIVIL SUIT YOU CERTAINLY BRING EVERYBODY IN FROM THE CIVIL ENFORCEMENT SIDE. I I WOULD DEFER TO MR. HOLDER ON THAT. 
          THAT'S THE ISSUE. THE SHERIFF IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF ENFORCING CIVIL OFFENSES. I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF AND THAT'S SIMPLE POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA. THAT'S A CIVIL ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS ENFORCING CRIMES NOT CIVIL OFFENSES. 
          SO ARE YOU GOING TO ASK CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO OUT THERE AND ENFORCE THIS AND DO THAT? THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THAT. 
          THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS SEND A PERSONAL OFFICER OUT THERE WITHOUT A WEAPON TO TRY TO INVESTIGATE AND ADDRESS THE SITUATION AND THE POINT ABOUT WORKING WITH THE OTHER AS A COUNCILMEMBER PASSING THAT BROUGHT UP IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND PLEASE DON'T HOLD ME TO IT BUT I THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND CHIEF MAYBE PORT ROYAL ALL HAVE ORDINANCES THAT COMPLETELY BAN THE DISCHARGE FIREARMS WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES. SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BACKTRACK TO ALLOW THE DISCHARGING OF FIREARMS WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPALITIES. 
          OF COURSE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY IS IS YOU KNOW NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE FROM FROM OUR MUNICIPALITIES. BUT THAT'S A LOT EASIER TO IS OUTRIGHT BAN ON A FIREARM YOU CAN'T SHOOT NOW I GREW UP IN BRIDGEVILLE AND I SHOT GUNS AND KNOW SHOT PLENTY OF THINGS SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR UNINCORPORATED I DON'T DON'T ENVY Y'ALL AT ALL. I'M EXTREMELY SYMPATHETIC NEW RIVERSIDE AND CHATEAU MOSS. 
          I WISH IT WAS SOMETHING MORE THAT WE COULD DO. I KNOW SHE PROBABLY AGREES WITH IT. THERE'S SOMETHING MORE WE COULD DO. 
          I UNDERSTAND FROM A LAYPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE THE ACT OR INTO A DWELLING STATUTE READS CRYSTAL CLEAR BUT UNFORTUNATELY LAWYERS LIKE TO MAKE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW CLEAR AS MUD. 
          SO WE PRETTY HANDCUFFED IN A SENSE NO PUN INTENDED TO AS WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO IN THIS SITUATION. COUNCILMAN GLOVER? YES, YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT A MINUTES AGO THAT YOU WOULD LIKE AN ORDINANCE WITH TEETH IN IT SIR. 
          SO WHAT TEETH WOULD YOU PUT IN THIS COUNCILMEMBER? I DON'T KNOW. 
          OH, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW IT'S WHEN I SAY TEETH I MEAN IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT. YOU EXPECT TO RESPOND TO A CALL OF A DISCHARGING OF A FIREARM POTENTIALLY WITHIN 500 FEET AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON OR 10:00 AT NIGHT OR 2:00 IN THE MORNING IF THAT GUN IS NOT GOING OFF ANYMORE, WE DON'T HAVE A EXIGENCY FACTOR UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO GO ON TO ANYBODY'S PERSONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE GO GET A JUDGE WHICH IS FINE. WE DO THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          BUT I'M JUST BRINGING THE PRACTICALITIES OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO A DAILY BASIS. SO WE RESPOND OUT THERE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. 
          NO GUNS ARE BEING DISCHARGED, NO EXIGENCY IS THERE. WE THEN HAVE TO GO FIND A MAGISTRATE, GET A SEARCH, GO ON TO THE PROPERTY, IDENTIFY A SHELL CASING THAT WAS FRESHLY SHOT DISCHARGED, FIND THE SHOOTER, WAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FIGURE OUT WHO CALLED IN AND MAKE THAT THAT HOUSE IS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION WHERE THE GUN WAS DISCHARGED. WE HAVE TO PROVE ALL OF THAT BEYOND A REASONABLE IN MAGISTRATE COURT AND IT'S A TOUGH SHOW AND I THINK THE ON YOUR IN CAN HEAR THE FRUSTRATION IN TRYING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE ON OUR IN WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE I DON'T DISAGREE AND SO HOPEFULLY THE TWO FRUSTRATED PEOPLE GROUPS CAN COME TOGETHER AND FIND SOME RESOLUTION FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THIS IS HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE MENTIONED WITH IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND PEOPLE ARE DISCHARGING FIREARM THEY'RE SHOOTING AND IT'S REALLY FRIGHTENING THERE IS NO SOME LOCATION I WOULD TELL YOU IF 
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YOU EVER BEEN BERMUDA BLUFF. YES. WE'LL SEE HOW IT IS. 
          YES, SIR. NOT A RIFLE RANGE. RIGHT. 
          BUT PEOPLE GO THERE AND SHOOT ALL THE THE TIME AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VERY DISTURBED ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE BRING THE TWO TOGETHER THE TWO LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICY HOW DO WE BRING IT TOGETHER TO MAKE AN EFFECTIVE COMMUNITY SAFETY ORDINANCE AND COUNCILMEMBER, WE DO MONITOR, YOU KNOW, MAJOR PARTIES HERE ON THE SOUTH AND HE'S OUR MAJOR OVER ENFORCEMENT IN THE SOUTH AND EVERY MONDAY HE HE RUNS A REPORT TO SEE WHAT CALLS FOR WE HAD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE NEW RIVERSIDE AREA. 
          WE'RE MONITORING THAT WE RESPOND WHEN WE GET CALLS THEY WANT TO MEET WITH US OR NOT WHOEVER CALLS THEM BUT WE DO RESPOND WE DO DROP THERE ARE SOME CRIMINAL STATUTES THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE TO A FIREARM AT OR INTO A DWELLING IF WE CAN PROVE THAT INTENT. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO SPECIFICS OF HOW WE DO THAT IN A PUBLIC FORUM BUT WE ARE EXPLORING OPTION. THERE'S ALSO BREACH OF PEACE. SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT GUNS WERE BEING AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. THAT IS CERTAINLY A BREACH OF PEACE. WE RESPOND OUT THERE AND WE HEAR THE GUN GOING OFF AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING AND WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT INDIVIDUAL. THEY WILL BE CHARGED WITH BREACH OF PEACE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT INDIVIDUAL THE TIME THAT THE CALL IS BEING MADE IF SOMEBODY IS CALLING FROM 2:00 IN THE MORNING FROM THEIR BEDROOM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO SHOOTING EITHER SOMEBODY ALSO MENTIONED OUR NOISE ORDINANCE SO AS COUNCIL WAS WELL AWARE HAD TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DECIBEL RATING FOR THE ORDINANCE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CHARGE ON THAT. SO AGAIN IT'S IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE STARS TO ALIGN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A CHARGE AND THEN YOU FURTHER LINE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IN COURT AND IT'S IT'S UNFORTUNATE AND I'M EXTREMELY PLEASED TAKE MY FRUSTRATION OR DISDAIN OR OBJECTIONS OR ANYTHING I'M SAYING ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE. 
          I'M NOT I FULLY UNDERSTAND I'VE LISTENED TO THE VIDEOS AND THE EMAILS. 
          I'VE HEARD IT AND I, I I HATE IT FOR THEM. I DO AND I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC AT BUT WE'VE JUST GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT TONIGHT. THROW SOMETHING THERE. 
          JUST LET ME SAY THIS ALSO DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE DETERRENT EFFECT OF AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE 95 TO 98% OF ALL CITIZENS OBEY THE LAW. SO IF THERE IS A LAW APPROVING SOMETHING MOST PEOPLE WILL BE THAT IS JUST THE VIEW THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TO BE CALLED IN TO INVESTIGATE AND TAKE TO JAIL ANY JOB THERE'S GOING TO NO PERFECT ORDINANCE. 
          IF THERE WAS WE WOULD HAVE PASSED IT. THIS IS A START AND SO I APPLAUD WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND YOU SAID OR ORDINANCES HAVE AN EFFECT IT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD SEVERAL TIMES SO I THINK WE SHOULD PASS THIS MOVE IT TO COUNCIL. 
          IT'S GOING TO TAKE THREE READINGS AND PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE IT IS ADOPTED SO IT'S NOT OVER TODAY AND TODAY'S STARTS AND I WANT TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THE ORDINANCE. I'M NOT HERE OBJECTING TO IT OR OBJECTING TO THE LANGUAGE. I APPRECIATE MR. HALL. WE'RE INCLUDING US IN COUNCIL ALLOWING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO BE INCLUDED FROM THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE I THINK WE'VE WORKED VERY WELL TOGETHER AND CRAFTED THAT IS FAVORABLE TO US ALL THAT HAS ABILITY TO POTENTIALLY BE ENFORCED AND AS YOU SAID IT WE CAN PASS THE ORDINANCE YOU HAVE TO APPLY IT ENFORCE IT. COUNCILMAN BARTHOLOMEW, PLEASE ANY LAST LAST THING DANNY WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE THERE WAS MENTION OF THE BLUFFTON PD AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF RURAL PD AND SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. IS THERE A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE THERE BETWEEN WHERE OBVIOUSLY WHERE IT'S DISCHARGED AND WHERE THE THE BULLET ULTIMATELY ENDS UP? IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH PROSECUTION ON FRONT THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL? IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FLUSH OUT, DAVID. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THE GUN IS IS DISCHARGED WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY CROSSES OVER INTO THE THRESHOLD OF NEW RIVERSIDE WHICH IS THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON POTENTIALLY. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL THAT THAT COULD TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY I THINK THERE'S A CREDIBLE ARGUMENT FOR A DEFENSE ATTORNEY TO MAKE AS YOU WELL KNOW. BUT I WOULD BE UP FOR A JUDGE TO DECIDE. 
          I GUESS I'D DIRECT A VERDICT STAGE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS UNDER UNDER DIRECT VERDICT AND JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES AND THEN I GUESS THAT'S IS THERE THAT WE COULD DO TO PUT IN PLACE THAT COULD BE ADOPTED BY THE MUNICIPALITIES HAS A SHARED JURISDICTION ENFORCEABILITY IN THAT CAPACITY WE'VE DONE THE JURISDICTIONAL CHALLENGE WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE ON OF ORDINANCES I JUST I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL TOWN OF BLUFFTON OUR TOWN OF HILTON HEAD BUT I KNOW THEIR THEIR ORDINANCES ARE JUST AN OUTRIGHT WHICH IS MUCH CLEANER AND SIMPLER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          SO I ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE WE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO CONVINCE THEM TO MODIFY WHAT THEY HAVE WORKING FOR THEM AND THEIR UNIQUE SITUATIONS WITHIN THEIR OWN MUNICIPALITIES. 
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BUT I MEAN IT'S ALWAYS WORTH A DISCUSSION ALL WE CAN DO IS BE TOLD NO. 
          BUT CERTAINLY IF IF THE MUNICIPALITIES WERE TO ADOPT OUR ORDINANCES THEN WE WOULD HAVE JOINT JURISDICTION AND BE ABLE TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE CIRCUMVENT LIKE AN ACTUAL JURISDICTIONAL AGREEMENT TO ENFORCE YOU KNOW FOR FOR THESE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS OF A HIGHER RATE IN THE WELL. SO WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENTS BUT THAT JUST EXPANDS YOU KNOW IF WE WERE INTO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL THAT WOULD JUST EXPAND TOWN AND PORT ROYAL OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE PARTICULAR CODES OR STATUTES WITHIN UNINCORPORATED COUNTY I GUESS IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO ORDINANCES IN THAT SITUATION BUT? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY ADDRESSES THE JURISDICTIONAL QUESTION THAT COULD RESULT WHEN A GUN IS FIRED IN UNINCORPORATED AND ENDS UP IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IS I DON'T KNOW I GOTCHA THANK YOU, MR. MCMULLEN YEAH. JUST A BRIEF ONE, DANIEL. 
          NOT FOR YOU. IT'S THANKS TO YOU. YES, SIR. 
          IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS AS IT IT STANDS OKAY. IN THE LAST DISCUSSION WE HAD ON THE CRIME SCENE WE WERE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN DURING OUR DISCUSSION AND DISCOVER THAT WAS A HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE THAT EXISTED. I WONDER IF THERE ARE ANY COUNTIES THAT ARE HAVING SUCCESS WITH AN ORDINANCE DEALING WITH THE ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH LIKE RICHLAND COUNTY HAS WITH THEIR HATE INTIMIDATION ORDINANCE IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO FIND OUT ABOUT ? SO AS I MENTIONED, I MODELED THIS AFTER CHARLESTON COUNTY'S ORDINANCE, THE CHARLESTON ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS BUT THEY MADE IT 100 FEET AS OPPOSED TO 500. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THAT IS THAT OF VOTE OF THE 46 COUNTIES IN THE STATE IS THAT THE ONLY ONE WITH ANY SUCCESS? IT'S ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF ? YEAH. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO FIND OUT IF PEOPLE HAVE SUCCESSFUL ORDINANCES IN PLACE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE WE COULD DO SOME RESEARCH AND SEE IF WE FIND ANY OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE. IF IT'S A MODEL THERE WE COULD USE AND I'LL WITHDRAW MY OBJECTION TO THE THOUSAND FEET BASED UPON ALL THIS DISCUSSION AND TO MOVE THIS ALONG I'LL VOTE YES FOR THE 500 FEET AT THE MOMENT I WELL I THINK MADE THE MOTION BUT IS THERE ANY REASON FOR US TO DISCUSS KEEPING IT AT COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG? OKAY. 
          I MEAN WITH ALL THESE OPEN QUESTIONS AND UNCERTAINTY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE WE KEEP IT AT COMMITTEE LEVEL NO NO TO COUNSEL NO. THAT CAN'T BE THE VOTE. 
          WHO MADE THEM I JOE YOU MADE THE GO AHEAD AND WE MADE THE MOTION NOW WHO SECOND SOURED HAVE YOU THE SECOND 1/2 AND NEED A VOTE TO MOVE IT TO COUNCIL FOR A FIRST READING ABOUT IS COMMENTS YES PLEASE TELL ME THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ONE OF THE PEOPLE AT RIVERSIDE NEW RIVERSIDE IT IS A CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE THERE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE AROUND THERE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY TO LOOK INTO. AND BRIAN AND THE SHERIFF'S OR DANIEL AND THE OTHERS HAVE WORKED ON THIS SO THEY KNOW THE INS AND OUTS AS DANIEL SAID AND THERE CHARLESTON AND SO ON. SO THIS HAS BEEN I THINK WE FIRST MET THEY CAN CORRECT ME IN AUGUST. RIGHT. BUT IF THERE'S NOT A QUICK TURNAROUND FOR US GETTING A LOT OF WORK ON THE PART OF OUR ATTORNEY AND THE OFFICE SO I'D SUPPORT IT MOVING FORWARD. SINCE AUGUST THERE'S BEEN AN INCIDENT IN SHADOW MASS SO ANOTHER REASON TO MOVE IT FORWARD DO YOU NEED IT BY SHOW OF HANDS DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING IT FORWARD FOR FULL TO REVIEW ONE DAVID YOU'RE SAYING NO OKAY AND I'LL I'LL WELL I'LL SAY NO BUT ALSO MR. BROCK YOU KNOW ALL BUT TWO IT STILL PASSES. 
          OKAY I'M SORRY MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY THAT THE VICE CHAIRMAN AND THE CHAIRMAN IS OBJECTING HMM. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP YOU HONEST. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ITEM. NEXT ITEM IS NINE B AND TEN 
          [8.b. Approval of Mid-year budget amendment for Beaufort Water Search & Rescue - Patrick Canning, Beaufort Water Search and Rescue]
YOU'LL HEAR. THANK YOU. FEEL BETTER, DANIEL NINE B APPROVAL OF THE MIDYEAR AMENDMENT FOR BEAUFORT WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE PATRICK THANK YOU SIR. A REFERRAL REFER WITH AN EXAMPLE OF OUR ARMY IT'S GOING TO MOVE ITS AND SO IT'S MOVING FORWARD THANK YOU AND MR.. CARNEY THANKS FOR BEING HERE YOU GOOD AFTERNOON COUNSEL I MADE A MOTION AND SECOND TO PUT IT ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION OKAY SO 9B9B I'LL MAKE THE MOTION GOING TO THANK YOU. OKAY AFTERNOON COUNSEL ON PATRICK CANNING I'M HERE REPRESENTING OF WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE IF I MAY I GOT A 
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PACKET TO HAND OUT TO YOU FOLKS . SURE. 
          OH, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US BEFORE MEETING AND WE CAN'T REVIEW IT. 
          WHY DON'T YOU HAND THOSE TO MR. YOU CAN YOU CAN HAND OVER MS. BROCKMAN. 
          WELL THEN SHE'LL GET TO INCLUDE THEM AS AN ADD ON AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE TO THE COMMITTEE CHAIR ONLY. TO THE COMMITTEE CHAIR THAT'S CORRECT AND I GOT YESTERDAY IN ORDER TO SERVE AND WE JUST CAN'T REVIEW SOMETHING WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S IN OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. BE FOR WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE FOUNDED IN 1975 STARTING OUT AS A LOCAL GROUP BOAT OWNERS THAT SAW A NEED FOR HELPING OTHERS STRANDED IN A LOCAL WATERS. 
          AS TIME WENT ON THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE FUNDS AND SECURE DEDICATED BOATS STRICTLY FOR THIS PURPOSE WE ARE AN ALL VOLUNTEER WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE ORGANIZATION WHOSE PRIMARY MISSION IS TO SUPPORT AND ASSIST LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE IN TIMES OF NEED. IT HAS TAKEN YEARS OF COMMITMENT HARD WORK BY OUR SQUAD MEMBERS BOTH PAST AND PRESENT TO BUILD AN UNPRECEDENTED RELATIONSHIP OF TRUST AND PROFESSIONAL RESPECT WITH OUR PARTNERS. THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ORGANIZATION DONATE MORE THAN TIME BUT MISS MOMENTS WITH FAMILY FRIENDS HOLD AND LONG NIGHTS. MUCH OF OUR ORGANIZATION'S SUPPORT AND FUNDING DEPENDS ON A CONTINUED RECOGNITION BY LOCAL AND STATE AGENCIES OF THIS HIGH LEVEL OF COMMITMENT, COMPETENCE AND DEDICATION. WE ARE LOCATED IN PORT ROYAL WITH 30 MEMBERS AND DISPATCH FROM ANY NUMBER OF LANDINGS IN THE COUNTY WHEN WE WERE ALERTED TO RESPOND TO 911 WATER EMERGENCIES OUR SECOND STATION LOCATED IN BLUFFTON WITH AN ADDITIONAL TEN MEMBERS SERVES TWO SOUTH OF THE BROAD BLUFFTON HILTON HEAD DISTRICT JOINTLY SERVING THE GREATER BEAUFORT COUNTY AREA. ON OCCASION WE ARE CALLED UPON FROM JASPER AND COLLETT AND COUNTIES FOR WATER EMERGENCIES. USUALLY WHEN RESCUE IS REQUIRED AS WE HAVE THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE IN ADDITION TO OUR WATER EMERGENCY RESPONSE WE SUPPORT ANY NUMBER OF WATER RELATED ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE LOCAL WATERWAYS PROVIDING FOR SAFETY, PERIMETER OR STANDBY FOR THOSE IN NEED. DURING THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS OUR VOLUNTEERS HAVE RESPONDED TO 97 RESCUE MISSIONS IN OUR LOCAL WATERWAYS TOTALING 12 249 MAN HOURS. THIS REPRESENTS A 65% INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. 
          FOR MANY YEARS NOW WE HAVE HAD TWO FUNDRAISERS THE FIRST BEING OUR ANNUAL ST PATRICK'S DAY GOLF TOURNAMENT AT FRIPP WHICH RAISES BETWEEN 25,000 $35,000 BEFORE EXPENSES THIS NO LONGER EXISTS OUR ANNUAL FULL FISH TOURNAMENT RAISES BETWEEN 15,020 5000 BEFORE EXPENSES WE HAVE RECEIVED AND APPRECIATE ANNUAL $10,000 STIPEND FROM COUNTY. 
          THEY'VE PROVIDED US FOR YEARS NOW AS A PART OF THE BEAUFORT COUNTY 2025 FISCAL BUDGET WE WERE AWARDED $40,000 $40,000 UNDER THE CATEGORY HAZMAT AND MARINE RESCUE AND WE APPRECIATE THIS AS WELL. OUR ONGOING NEEDS INCLUDING GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSES APPROACHES $116,000 FOR FISCAL 2026 SOME YEARS MORE SOME YEARS LESS DETERMINING FACTORS INCLUDE SERVICE LIFE OF EQUIPMENT. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON REPLACING TWO OF OUR BOATS IN BLUFFTON AND ADDING TWO DEDICATED TOW VEHICLES SO TO REDUCE THE BURDEN OF HAVING OUR MEMBERS USE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES FOR THIS PURPOSE THE YEAR 2025 REPRESENTS A MILESTONE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR BEAUFORT WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE AS WE CELEBRATE 50 YEARS OF SERVICE PREDICTING PROTECTING AND SAFETY OF OUR WATERWAYS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH THE HELP OF OUR COMMUNITY WE HAVE MADE HUGE STRIDES IN UPDATING EQUIPMENT AND RESCUE CAPABILITIES. I I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THIS COMMITTEE THEIR SUPPORT IN CONTINUING THIS EFFORT. I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THESE MATTERS ANSWER ANYONE'S QUESTIONS OR ANY QUESTIONS? YES, THE TOTAL AMOUNT FROM THE COUNTY THAT YOU WERE TO SECTION MONEY FROM THE COUNTY WAS AT 43 PLUS TEN $10,000 TYPE AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING THAT FOR SOME TIME. 
          AND THEN IN THE 25 FISCAL BUDGET WE RECEIVED $40,000 THAT WAS UNDER THE HAZMAT CATEGORY. 
          YEAH THAT THE ONLY TIME YOU RECEIVED IT IN 25. YEAH. 
          OKAY THANK I HAVE A QUESTION MR. REID'S YES GO AHEAD. SO IS YOUR ACTIVITY OR ROYAL IN BLUFFTON WHAT DO EACH OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR EFFORT THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS MADE ANY IS BID FOR CITY. HOW MUCH ARE YOU GIVING THEY'VE GIVEN AS TO A TAX AWARDS IN THE LAST TWO GRANT CYCLES $20,000 AND $17,500 IN THE MOST RECENT 
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AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN INCENTIVE FOR WELL I HAVE A CURRENT APPLICATION AT BLUFFTON I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS OF THAT YET ARE STATE TAX CORRECT. 
          YEAH YEAH. SO WHEN YOU CAME TO OUR STATE TAX COMMITTEE MEETING YOU WERE ASKING FOR 45,000 TO BUY A NEW BOAT IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE THE PREVIOUS FISCAL THIS PAST ONE IT WAS $40,000 FOR I'M SORRY THE REQUEST WAS FOR $20,000 WHICH WAS THEN 50% OF THE PURCHASE. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED COUNSEL KNOW IT DID GO TO THE TAX COMMITTEE IT GO IN WE WERE I SAT THROUGH THE APPROVAL I SAT THROUGH THE SESSION AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE DIDN'T GET APPROVED AND THAT THE TAX FUNDS RAN OUT AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET AWARDED YEAH JUST FOR THE OF COUNCIL THERE WAS $1,000,000 TO GIVE AND AT THE THE COMMITTEE HAD MORE THAN A MILLION THEY WANTED TO FUND SO THEY HAD TO RETRACT AND ELIMINATE SOME THINGS AND IT WAS THE THAT VOTED BY PRIORITY I WAS JUST SITTING THERE LISTENING BUT THE COMMITTEE VOTED ON THAT I THANK YOU. YES. OH, I KNOW YOU'RE AN ALL VOLUNTEER. CORRECT. ALSO YOU'RE LOCATED LOCATION IN PORT ROYAL IS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY BUILDING. IT IS AND I DO YOU DO YOU PAY THE ON THAT DO YOU KNOW WE DO IT OKAY AND I'M NOT SURE BUT THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION DO WE HAVE ANY OF AGREEMENT YET ON THAT BUILDING? YEAH, WE RESEARCHED THAT WE NOT LOCATE A LEASE THAT'S IN PLACE. OH, THERE'S NO LEASE EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE A DOLLAR A YEAR LEASE, THERE'S NO LEASE THAT WE COULD LOCATE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WHAT'S THE REQUEST THAT YOU REQUEST? $40,000 IS 40. YEAH. 
          DAVID THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SCANNING THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED YOU KNOW I KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO DEBATE $40,000 BUT IF YOU WERE A DEPARTMENT COUNTY I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'D BE FOR EACH YEAR. 
          SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING YOU WITH YOUR ASK I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S IF IT'S EVEN VIABLE THIS AT THIS TIME TO AMEND THE BUDGET OR FIND THE 40,000 OUT OF PINKY ZERO I THINK I SEE YOU'RE IN THERE I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON IT TO SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY FUND THAT MIDYEAR ACQUISITION OR ELIMINATE ANY RIGHT. SO I MEAN THERE'S PLACES THAT WE COULD FOR THE $40,000 OF THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE DOESN'T REQUIRE A BUDGET AMENDMENT BUT I WOULD JUST NEED TO DIRECT IT FROM YOU TO ADMINISTRATION FOR US TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO. 
          DID YOU SAY IT REQUIRES BUDGET AMENDMENT DOES NOT KNOW DOES NOT BECAUSE YOU WOULD TRANSFER IT FROM LINE TO ANOTHER. OKAY WHAT QUESTION REMIND ME WHEN WE DID BUDGET WAS THIS EVEN IN THE BUDGET ORIGINALLY IT WAS NON LAST YEAR WE CONTACTED ALL OF LAST YEAR RECIPIENTS FOR OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING THE LIST THAT WE WENT OVER SEVERAL TIMES AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE NEW DRESS THAT MR. KANE I'M SURE IT WAS STATED AS A REOCCURRING LIGHT ITEM THE CHIEF HAD DONE THE APPLICATION FOR IT. 
          WE HAD WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS GOING TO BE REOCCURRING. 
          WE HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION. WELL EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO I CERTAINLY DID. 
          YEAH. I MEAN NOTHING IS A GIVEN REOCCURRING UNDERSTOOD NOW. 
          YEP. OH MY QUESTION. YES BECAUSE HERE IN FEBRUARY. 
          THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL US I DON'T KNOW IF THIS AN EXACT IF THIS ACTUALLY EXISTS IS THERE A COUNCIL CONTINGENCY FUND IS THERE FUNDS GRANTED TO US FOR OUR USE ON CONTINUING SEA BASED? YES, SIR. WE DO HAVE A CONTINGENCY LINE ITEM ONCE AND I BELIEVE IT'S 75 AND SOME CHANGE. GIVE OR TAKE DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE NUMBER HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR AND WE HAVE 75 CORRECT. OKAY. 
          YES, COUNCILMAN JUST FOR COUNCIL HAS INFORMATION I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THEM PRIOR TO UNTIL THIS COMING FORWARD BUT IT WAS ALSO COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A RECURRING LINE ITEM. BUT I THINK WITH THE CHANGEOVERS OF CFO AND PROCESSING AND EVERYTHING I JUST GOT THROUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BUT IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME AS WELL THAT WAS GOING TO BE A RECURRING 
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LINE ITEM. I DID NOT COMMUNICATE THAT TO THEM SOMEBODY ELSE DID BUT THAT THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME AS WELL. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS WHO COMMUNICATED THAT IT NEVER CAME TO COUNCIL? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS. SO WHO COMMUNICATED THAT? I'D PREFER NOT TO SAY IT ON THE RECORD BUT I CAN REMEMBER THE EXACT CONVERSATION WHERE IT TOOK PLACE AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY TEXT ME BECAUSE IT WAS MISLEADING BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT WELL MAY I JUST YOU CAN RIGHT IF HAD TO SEARCH AROUND IF WE CAN HELP PINKY FIND SOME MONEY MAYBE I FOUND IT JUST TO CLARIFY I WANT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS COMPLETELY AWARE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING THAT FOR WATER SEARCH AND RESCUE SORRY YES. 
          SO THEY THEIR RECURRING FUNDING THAT THEY RECEIVE IS FROM THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IS THE SHERIFF WITH WATER AND SEARCH RESCUES THAT IS $10,000 ANNUALLY NEEDS AND IT'S BUDGETED IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND HIS BUDGET, CORRECT? OKAY. 
          THE $40,000 REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVED LAST YEAR OR THE REQUEST WAS FOR $40,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY HAD BEEN FUNDED IN THE OUTSIDE AGENCY GROUP LIKE YOU SAID. WE BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU GUYS EVERY YEAR. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THE 10,000 IS REOCCURRING BUT THAT'S BUDGETED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. YES, MR. GLOVER WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FIGURE THIS PINKY IS HOW ARE YOU THE 10,000 IS OF THE SHERIFF BUDGET AND THEN THE OTHER IS ACTUALLY FROM THE ATTACKS IS THAT I BELIEVE THEY SUBMITTED A TAX APPLICATION FOR STATE TAX. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT MR. WERNICK WAS REFERRING TO AND. 
          THE REQUEST WAS FOR PURCHASE OF A BOAT AND I BELIEVE LEGAL DETERMINED THAT IT DID NOT QUALIFY WHICH IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE STANDARD FOR WHAT STATE TAX FUNDING WAS FOR. 
          OKAY AND SO THAT WAS THE TAX FUNDING FOR STATE AGENCIES. YES, WE DID ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY FOR LOCAL TAX WHEN IT OPENED. WELL THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY FUNDING FROM THE NOT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. NO ASIDE FROM THE SHERIFF BUDGETS ANNUALLY NO. AND THIS IS AN ALL VOLUNTEER GROUP AND I'M NOT ON THE WATER BUT IF I WERE ON THE WATER I NEED SOME RESCUE. I THINK I NEED SOMEBODY COME ON TO HELP ME SO I'M GOING TO ONE TO SUPPORT THIS EFFORT. I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT ONCE IS IF IS DONE THEN IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A PROPERTY OWNED BY THE COUNTY. 
          THE PROPERTY WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER IS COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY THAT THEY OPERATE THEIR SERVICES IT'S ON PURPOSE I HAVE A YEAH RIGHT YEAH SOME PRAYERS OUT OKAY. 
          YEAH MR. PASSMAN SO WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR IS APPROVAL. SEND THE COUNCIL A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT. BUT YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS CONCEIVABLE A POSSIBILITY OF WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET MOVING MONEY AROUND SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY. 
          CORRECT. SO WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO HAVE A MID-YEAR AMENDMENT AND AS PER OUR DISCUSSION ASK ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND IDENTIFY ACCOUNT OR ACCOUNTS THAT COULD BE MODIFIED TO MEET THE AMOUNT OF MONEY DISCUSSED. YEAH I'LL SECOND TESORO SECONDED BY MR. MCCOWAN TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. OKAY MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF YOUR MOTION IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THIS PROCESS WILL THEN MOVE TOWARD TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          THEY COME OUT AND IT WAS COMING TO COUNCIL. NO I NO IT'S NOT IT WOULD ONLY COME TO COUNCIL IF WE HAD TO DO A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT. THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT NOW THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TELL US AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY FOUND THE MONEY WE BECAUSE GIVES A TRANSFER REPORT AND THIS IS ALL SHE'S GOING TO DO IS TRANSFER SOME MONEY AROUND FOR THE BUDGET WELL THEN STATES WE'RE BEGINNING THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET SOON. 
          YES. AND SO YOU NOW KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE OUR IDEA IS THIS 40,000 TO BE USED FOR A BOAT OR IS IT FOR IT GOES ON A GENERAL FUND? I MEAN JUST THINK FOR A MINUTE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A BOAT WE TRY TO GET A GOOD QUALITY BOAT $40,000 YOU KNOW A MOTOR COSTS 25,000 BUCKS A BRAND NEW ONE. WE'RE BUYING A OLDER BOAT SOMETIMES WE'RE FORTUNATE WE 
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GET A BOAT THAT'S ONLY THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OLD AND. WE RUN THE HECK OUT OF IT. 
          YOU KNOW SO WELL THAT AND WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING AND YOU UNDERSTAND OUR BUDGET PROCESS, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE YOU HAVE TO COME EACH YEAR AND ONLY GUARANTEE IS APPARENTLY THE 10,000 THAT YOU GET FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OKAY. 
          HAVE WE COVERED ALL THE QUESTIONS FOR THIS ONE? SO GOOD. 
          I THINK WE KNOW OUR MARCHING ORDERS, MS.. PINKY RIGHT. 
          THAT YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND. GET BACK TO US. 
          WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION. OKAY, THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDLY IT REALLY ISN'T A DIRECT IT'S A DIRECTION IT'S JUST SORT OF A SUSTAINED ITEM HAS BEEN TAKEN THE TABLE OKAY AND NOW PER OUR DISCUSSION ADMINISTRATION NOW KNOWS WHAT TO DO IT MAKES SENSE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE MOTION BE AFFORDED TO COUNSEL AND FOR STAFF TO TELL YOU IF THEY HAVE THE MONEY THAT'S AND ORGANIZATION FOR THAT PURPOSE OKAY AND THAT WILL BE MY MOTION TO MOVE IT TO COUNSEL OKAY OKAY AND YOU'RE GOING TO SECOND DIRECTING THEM ABSOLUTELY DOWN LIKE THAT, MR. MCCOLLUM OKAY. WITH THAT MOTION AND SECOND, DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION? NO OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE THIS IS JUST MR. CANNING ALSO APPLIES TO HILTON HEAD. I WAS GOING TO INFORM YOU FOR FUNDING SINCE EVERYONE'S IN THIS TOGETHER 100%. ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'RE ABSOLUTELY BUILDING I'VE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS FOR 18 MONTHS NOW. 
          I'VE REACHED TO THE COUNTY TWICE. I'VE REACHED OUT TO PIERCEY TWICE. I'VE REACHED OUT TO BLUFFTON ONCE. 
          I MISSED THE HILTON HEAD DATE. PORT ROYAL IS NOT ADMINISTERING ANY ANY FUNDS OTHER ATTACKS FOR THE PAST PART OF A BETTER PART OF HERE IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IT THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FUNDING ANYWAY BUT BUT YES ABSOLUTELY HILTON HEAD IS ON MY DOOR ON MY LIST. 
          WELL THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE TAX MONEY. THANK YOU. 
          IF WE'RE DOING A FORMAL REQUEST TO PINKY NOT TO SPEND OUR CONTINGENCY BEFORE FOR OH GOOD. 
          MR. CANNING, LISTEN, THANK YOU VERY THANK YOU ALL. MR. BUSH SO WE WILL GO AHEAD. 
          MR. BARTHOLOMEW HEY, I'M SORRY, BRIAN DIDN'T GET OUT THERE FOR A MINUTE. 
          I WAS TRYING TO HEAR YOU. UH, I DON'T THINK THIS LADY IS UNDER IT'S ONLY $40,000. 
          YEP. IT'S UNDERNEATH THE COMMITTEE. IT'S UNDER THE THRESHOLD THAT'S IN OUR PURCHASING AND PROCUREMENT AS WELL. HE'S NOT IN PURCHASING THOUGH. 
          IT'S MY OPINION THAT FOR COUNSEL TO AUTHORIZE $40,000 TO GO TO A PUBLIC ENTITY SHOULD BE A FULL COUNCIL VOTE AS OPPOSED TO A COMMITTEE VOTE. WE'RE NOT PURCHASING SOMETHING THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DELEGATED TO COUNSEL FOR PURCHASING AUTHORITY. 
          THIS IS A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE A GRANT TO THIS NONPROFIT A $40,000 FOR THAT AND THAT SHOULD BE A FULL COUNCIL VOTE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BUDGET AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING. THEY CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW WITH, THEIR DELEGATED AUTHORITY BUT THE GUIDANCE SHOULD COME FROM THE FULL COUNCIL WITH A VOTE OF FULL COUNCIL VOTE MUST VOTE HERE TODAY. YEAH WE HAVE A A MOTION IN A SECOND ALREADY FOR THAT SO IT'S A IF SIX OF US VOTE HERE TODAY SHOULD WE THEN ALL GO TOGETHER WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AND THE SIX OF US VOTE AGAIN AND THEN WE ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING WERE THERE WE MADE THE MOTION AT SECOND IT'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. 
          WE CAN WE CAN EXPECT IT IT AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING YOU WERE THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK OKAY NOW MY QUESTION IS THIS HAVE WE ALL THE BUSINESS TODAY FOR MY FIRST ONE I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THIS WAS A LOT OF PADDING. 
          APPRECIATE YOU COMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          WE WE'RE ADJOURNED. SIX SEVEN
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.