[VIII.1. 36 Bruin Road: An amendment to an approved Certificate of Appropriateness to allow certain changes for 2-story commercial building of approximately 3,130 SF at 36 Bruin Road in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and within the Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD) zoning district. (COFA-05-25-019766) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

PUBLIC COMMENT NEW BUSINESS SIX BRUIN ROAD AN AMENDMENT TO AN APPROVED SEAL A ALLOW CERTAIN CHANGES TO A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING APPROXIMATELY THOUSAND 130 SQUARE FEET AT 36 BRUIN ROLL ROAD IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT KID EVENING AND HAPPY NEW YEAR THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE IS LOCATED ON BRUIN ROAD.

IT'S THE SMALL PORTION THE LOT THAT YOU SEE HERE HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED FROM THE LARGER LOT . THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM OF COURT ATKINS IS LOCATED.

THIS PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED LAST YEAR BUT AGAIN THIS IS JUST SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS TO THAT APPROVED COFA YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT THE PROPERTY BEEN CLEARED OF TREES AND THIS IS A FAIRLY RECENT HERE IS THE APPROVED COFA THAT VARIOUS ELEVATIONS

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AND I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THEY HAVE SERVICE AREA LOCATED HERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE REAR ELEVATION SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO CHANGE AT THE TIME THIS CAME FORWARD TO US THE PARTICULAR USE OF THE BUILDING WAS NOT YET KNOWN AND BASED ON TENANT INTERESTS THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE.

THEY INCLUDE ADDING A ROOF WELL THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT ELEVATION THAT AREA IN YELLOW HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF IT FROM THE LEFT ELEVATION LOCATED ON TOP OF THE SHADE ROOF THE WINDOWS EXCUSE ME THERE WERE TWO WINDOWS GO BACK THERE WERE TWO WINDOWS LOCATED HERE BETWEEN THE BRACKETS THEY HAD BEEN REMOVED THE AREA BEHIND THE WALL IS A STORAGE ROOM AND THESE BRACKETS BEEN REPOSITIONED SLIGHTLY. THE DRAINAGE FOR THE ROOF WELL WILL INCLUDE A NEED FOR A GUTTER THAT YOU SEE HERE KIND OF IN A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODD CONFIGURATION BUT THE GUTTER IF THE GUTTER IS APPROVED THEN WE'LL NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT THEY HAVE CHANGED THE RAILINGS IN THE SECOND STOREY REAR PATIO REPORTS RATHER THERE WERE RAILINGS BEFORE THERE ARE NOW LOUVERS AND BELIEVE THAT WAS BASED ON CONVERSATION WITH A NEARBY RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS THEY HAVE RECENT THE DOOR THE REAR DOOR THAT YOU SEE HERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY LOCATED TO THE LEFT IT IS NOW IN CENTER.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES ON THE RIGHT OR WEST ELEVATION THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE INTERIOR THERE ARE SOME NEW BRICK PAVERS LOCATED HERE AT THE ENTRANCE AND THEN THERE ARE SOME NEW DOORS IN THE PATIO THAT YOU DO NOT SEE FROM THE EXTERIOR. SO THE CHANGE IS REALLY THE MAJOR CHANGES WITH THIS BE THE ROOF WELL THE ADDITION OF THE GUTTERS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS. SO GOING BACK TO THAT ELEVATION THERE IS SOME BLANKNESS IN THIS WALL PREVIOUSLY DID NOT EXIST AND SO STAFF BELIEVES THERE NEEDS BE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE ROOF.

WELL AND HERE YOU SEE THE FLOOR PLANS THERE IS A SERVICE HERE. RIGHT.

I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AT THE GROUND LEVEL THERE IS A SERVICE YARD LOCATED JUST BEHIND THE REAR PORCH AGAIN ON THAT SECOND FLOOR PORCH THERE WERE PROPOSED TO BE TO SHACK UNITS AND THEN HERE IS THE ROOF PLAN SHOWING THE AREA OF THE ROOF WELL AND SOME ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT IS A DETAIL THAT ROOF WELL THIS FROM THE REAR AND THE REVIEW CRITERIA THERE ARE FOUR HERE THAT THE CONDITIONS WILL BE MET BASED UPON A DETERMINATION OF HPC WHETHER NOT THESE CHANGES ARE APPROPRIATE AND THEY MEET THE YOUDO THE FINDINGS OF STAFF IS BASICALLY THAT ALL THE CONDITIONS ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE ARE PROPOSED APPROPRIATE BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE A DETERMINATION REGARDING THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO WINDOWS ON THAT LEFT ELEVATION AND WHETHER OR NOT THE ROOF WELL IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS. THE GUTTER CONFIGURATION AND THAT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS YOU CAN IMPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED OR YOU CAN IMPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION. AND LET ME GO BACK TO THE ELEVATIONS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHEF ON THE QUESTION? DO YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT COULD GO PLACE OF WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE REMOVED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT CALLED SEWER AND PONDS IT I WASN'T NECESSARILY CERTAIN HOW TO ADDRESS THAT GIVEN THAT THE AREA BEHIND THE WALL WOULD BE STORAGE AREA. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE HERE'S THAT ENTRANCE FROM STAIRS AND THERE IS A STORAGE AREA AND THE STORAGE AREA COMES UP THE PORCH AND SOME WAY TO GET INTO THAT STORAGE AREA FROM THE INTERIOR IT'S NOT SHOWING AN INTERIOR OPENING.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT WON'T OCCUR BUT NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IT'S NOT THE QUESTION MAYBE GOES TO A SUGGESTION IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT ROOM WOULD BE AFFECTED IF THE WINDOWS THERE I KNOW IT PROBABLY LOOKS INTO SOMETHING BUT THAT'S FINE YOU HAVE

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SHUTTERS AND BLINDS SOME LIGHT AND LOOK IN THOSE WINDOWS AND HERE'S HOW IT LOOKED PREVIOUSLY HAD A BIT OF AN ANGLE BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE THE WINDOWS SO THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO EVEN SEE IN THOSE WINDOWS THE WAY THE STEPS UP. CORRECT.

OKAY THAT'S THAT'S SUGGESTION BUT IN QUESTION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND AVAILABLE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. HAPPY NEW YEAR. JAMES ADKINS WITH CORT ADKINS GROUP. WE'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO BREAK GROUND NEXT MONTH AND SO WE WANTED TO THESE THINGS INTO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID ANY DOWNSTREAM BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTS SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE CHANGES READ THROUGH STAFF REPORT AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WERE OR REFERENCES IN THE YOUDO AND I KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE EURO BECAUSE DO THINK THAT OUR INTENTION HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT THE YOUDO ASKS FOR IN REGARDS TO THE THE LET'S START WITH THE ROOF WELL FIRST IT'S THE COMMENTS SAID THAT THEY DON'T ADDRESS THE ROOF WELL BUT ACTUALLY SECTION WRITTEN GO I'M SORRY FR5 15 SIX F TALKS ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND TALKS ABOUT SYSTEM EQUIPMENT, ROOF PENETRATIONS, AIR COMPRESSORS ETC. IT SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD OF FACADES AND IN THE SIDE OR FACADES NOT FACING SIDE STREET SO WE'RE KIND SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES HERE SO OUR REAR IS KIND OF FACING WE HAVE ONE ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH NO ROADS ON IT SO. BY THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT AND ROOF PENETRATIONS ON THAT ONE SIDE. IT'S REALLY THE SIDE THAT YOU DO DIRECT US TO AND IT DOES THERE ARE A FEW THINGS IT SAYS DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT ROOF WALLS. IT DOES TALK ABOUT ROOF TYPES OF SHEDS, HIPS, CABLES AND FLAT ROOFS AND IF YOU HAVE A FLAT ROOF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A PARAPET AROUND IT TO SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS CREATED A FLAT ROOF SECTION ON THE SERVICE SIDE THE UDO IS DIRECTING US TO AND WE PUT A SCREEN PARAPET AROUND IT TO HIDE THE EQUIPMENT IN THERE. SO I BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING THE VIDEO EXACTLY TELLS US TO DO THIS PARTICULAR SOLUTION IF WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT'S ON THE ROOF AND WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID BUMPS AND PENETRATIONS JUST HANGING OUT ON THE ROOF AND VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN STREET WE DID RUN A PERSPECTIVE I KNOW THE ELEVATION IS KIND OF WHAT IT SHOWS HERE.

WE DID RUN A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET AND JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THE ROOF WELL FROM THE STREET BECAUSE OF THE PERSPECTIVE FIVE FEET BY FIVE FOOT SIX YOUR EYE LEVEL. SO AND THEN THE PROPERTY NEXT TO US IS VERY WOULD INTRUDE I DON'T IF IT WILL EVER GET DEVELOPED AND IF IT DOES PROBABLY GOING TO BE A BUILDING THERE AS WELL AND THEN FROM THE BACK SIDE STREET OBVIOUSLY SCREENED FROM THERE AS WELL SO WE HOPE THAT THAT SOLUTION IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE VIDEO DIRECTS US TO TO HIDE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT AND ROOF PENETRATIONS AND, BUILDING SYSTEMS IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS WE'VE WE NEEDED TO IT'S A WE SHOT THE BUILDING DOWN SQUISHED AS MUCH AS WE COULD WE DIDN'T LEAVE OURSELVES REALLY ANY ROOM TO PUT THE UNITS AND HOT WATER HEATERS ALL THAT FUN STUFF SO WE CARVED A STORAGE MECHANICAL ROOM THAT IS ACCESS ONLY FROM THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT'S A LANDLORD FUNCTION SPACE WITH THE AC AND THE HOT WATER AND THE ELECTRICAL PANEL AND THE IT PANEL AND ALL THAT STUFF AND YUDO DOES REFERENCE THAT YOU KNOW DESIGN SHOULD BE AUTHENTIC AND AND PURE SO WE FELT LIKE PUTTING IN TWO WINDOWS WHICH WERE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AND PREVIOUS APPROVAL ANYWAY AND THEN BLACKING OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REFERENCES IN THE STAFF REPORT RELATED TO THE 5F1 TO D THAT'S TALKED ABOUT LONG ARTICULATED MASSES. SO THIS ISN'T A MASSING CONVERSATION WE BROKE DOWN THE MAST, WE'VE GOT PORCHES, WE'VE GOT A NICE GLASS BAY WINDOW ON SIDE.

WE'VE GOT BRACKETED LARGE OVERHANGS AND STUFF SO YOU KNOW, MASSING IT'S BROKEN.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME REFERENCE TO UNINTERRUPTED AND F3A BUILDING TO INCORPORATE INTERRUPTIONS OF WRITING IN THE WALL PLANE I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE THAT THE WARPLANE ISN'T

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FLAT AND IT'S ARTICULATED WITH BAYS IN THE STAIR AND DEEP OVERHANGS.

BUT I DO THINK THAT MORE APPROPRIATELY WOULD BE 514 3B21 THAT STATES THAT SIZE OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES AND IT SAYS THAT LAWN BUT ONE SAYS LONG UNDER ARTICULATED BLANK FACADES SHOULDN'T HAPPEN FOUR SIDES OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE NOW I WOULD SAY THAT THAT TWO CODE REFERENCES LARGE FORMAT BUILDINGS WHICH THIS IS NOT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACADE AS A WHOLE WITH THE GLASS BAY, THE DEEP BRACKETED ROOF OVERHANGS STAIR, THE STAIR RAILING, THE PORCHES, THE BRACKETED AWNING OVER THE ENTRY INTO THE REAR PORCH ALL WOULD IMPLY THAT OVERALL THE FACADE IS ARTICULATED QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL THAT IT'S NOT AN ARTICULATED BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT ALL FOR YOU TO DETERMINE. BUT WE DID READ ALL THIS AND WANTED TO BE UP FRONT SHOWED THE CHANGES AND THE REASONS FOR THEM AND FELT THAT THE SOLUTION IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE IDEA OF REQUIREMENTS PUT IN FRONT OF US.

SO THAT'S A I TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM THANK DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION NOW BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION I MEAN I GUESS I JUST HAD A QUESTION THE THE ROOF WELL I MEAN WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT? IT LIKE WE HAD THREE PRESSURES DOWN THERE. WE HAVE ANOTHER SERVICE.

WHY ARE WE HAVING A BIG ROOF? WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A SMALL RESTAURANT ON THE LOWER LEVEL WHICH WILL HAVE A HARD AT LEAST MY NEXT THING IS IT TORN UP RIGHT.

AND I FIGURED YOU WOULD SAY THAT BUT HOW TALL IS IT'S FOUR FOOT SIX AND ALSO WHY WE DIDN'T WANT THE THERE BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A CURVE ON IT MAKES IT EVEN HIGHER.

SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I DON'T WANT TO BE ON PARTICULAR PROJECTS BUT THERE IS A NEW PROJECT THAT HAS A VERY LARGE HOOD THAT KIND OF ON THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW ON SLOPED ROOF AND THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND IT'S NOT QUITE AS FAR BACK OFF THE STREET WE FELT LIKE THE APPROPRIATE THING WOULD BE TO PUT OUT THAT KIND OF ROOF WELL AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE IT COULD AND THE VIDEO SAID PUT IT IN THE SIDE YARD THAT IS NOT FACING THE STREET SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT IT.

OKAY. I MEAN I FIGURE AS LONG AS IT'S COVERED WE JUST IT'S NOT SHOWN SO WE PRESERVE THE IS FOR REFERENCE AGAIN TILL THE ACTUAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS BUT INSPECT AND EVERYTHING TO SLIGHTLY ADJUST THAT BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S FOUR FOOT FOUR WE'VE GOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PROBABLY GO UP TO FIVE FOOT AND WE HAVE A NOTE ON THERE THAT THAT PARAPET NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED.

OKAY. I MEAN I THINK THAT THEY OUT WITH THAT WALL IT'S JUST A LONG WALL WITH NO ARTICULATION ON IT COMPARED TO ME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN BELOW I, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THE WINDOWS BUT THAT WALL THERE'S THE LONG CONTINUOUS WALL NOTHING ON IT.

THESE ARE NOT THE NEW VERY GOOD WALL SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO DETAIL THERE.

IT'S KIND OF FOREIGN IT'S JUST A BIG LONG WALL BUT I MEAN WOULD BE MY CONCERN WITH THAT YOU CERTAINLY COULD LOOK AT HOW BIG THE PANEL DETAILING THAT ON THE BAY WINDOW AND YOU KNOW IF OUR GOAL IS TO KIND OF MAKE IT GO AWAY AND NOT BRING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IT SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO USE THE SAME SITE MATERIAL BUT IF WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO PULL WE'VE SOME PANEL DETAILING ON THE UPPER BUILDING PORCH, WE'VE GOT IT ON THE BAY WINDOW THIS RIGHT NEXT TO IT AT LEAST TO GIVE SOME SHADE AND SHADOW AND DEPTH. WE CAN CERTAINLY AT THE BORDER COMMISSION WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT A DETAIL FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE BUILDING.

ANY THOUGHTS ON JUST KIND OF TO THAT POINT DON'T HAVE COLOR OVERVIEW HERE BUT HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT INTO COLOR AND IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE YOU KNOW DOES GOING WITH MORE OF A PANELED DETAIL MEAN YOU PAINTED A DARKER COLOR THAT'S MORE SIMILAR TO THE ROOF OR AT ALL WE WANT IT TO GO AWAY YOU KNOW AND SO IT'S KIND OF A GAS BALLOON ROOF IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A LIGHT COLORED BUILDING TO MATCH THE OTHER THING.

SO I THINK NATURALLY IT'S ALL GOING TO KIND OF BLEND TOGETHER.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A A BLACK ROOF AND A AND A WHITE SIDING OR GALVESTON LOOM WITH A BLACK ROOF LOW OR PARAPET WALL OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EITHER WANT IT TO GO AWAY.

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WE'RE JUST WANT TO BUY THE STUDIO SAYS WE NEED TO SCREEN THOSE THINGS.

AND SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY EASY WAY TO SCREEN THOSE AND IT WORKED OUT THAT IT WAS ON THE SIDE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT THOSE THINGS IN. I THINK MY CONCERN WITH IT WAS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT SCALE OF THE BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH WHAT.

WE WERE DOING THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND THAT IS KIND OF THAT SIDE.

WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT SO I REALLY HATE TO SEE THAT GET ANY TALLER IF THE EQUIPMENT IS DIFFERENT IS IT JUST A GRAVITY HOOD OR ARE THEY TRYING TO DO DEDICATED AIR SYSTEMS DEDICATED, EXHAUSTED AND THEN THE MAKEUP AREA UP THERE WITH IT BECAUSE I CAN GET GOT THEY'RE ABOUT AS TALL AS THE OTHER THING THEY'RE ABOUT 48 INCHES AND WE'LL DO A LOW PROFILE FOR THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO DO THE FLAT ROOF THERE JUST SO THAT IT DIDN'T CONTINUE TO GROW UP IT'S A HUGE WEIGHT IT'S ONLY A BIG TEN FOOT HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIX FEET TALL FOR SURE. I'M CONFIDENT WE SHOWING IT AT 52 INCHES RIGHT NOW I'M CONFIDENT IS GOING TO COVER THAT.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY CHANCE GETTING THAT I MEAN WHEN YOU WERE JUST SHOWING THE THREE HEAT PUMPS, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT YOU COULD EASILY MOVE THOSE TO THE BACK, REDO KIND OF THE ROOF OVER THE STAIRWELL, PUT IT IN THE BACK AND RETHINK HOW THAT MASTER'S INSTEAD OF HAVING IT UP FRONT KIND OF ON THAT SIDE WITH IT BEING THE HOOD THERE'S IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF DOING THAT OR RELOCATING TOWARDS THE STAIRS ABOVE THE THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE STAIRS NOT REALLY GOING ON THERE TOO RIGHT IS MAKE UP OUR MEASURING UNIT IT'S A BIG UNIT IT'S LONG SO WE WENT WITH THE HORIZONTAL UNIT RATHER THAN THE VERTICAL UNIT SO IT'S SIX SEVEN FEET LONG IT'S PRETTY BIG. SO AGAIN TRYING TO KEEP THAT THING AS LOW AS POSSIBLE AND AGAIN THAT THAT THE YUDO DIRECTS US TO PUT IT ON THE SIDE YARD AND NOT ABUTTING ADJACENT STREETS AND WE'VE GOT A STREET THERE SO REALLY THAT'S WHERE THE YOU'D GO DIRECTLY TO PUT ROOF PENETRATIONS AND SYSTEMS I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT FOUR FOR IF WE CAN CLEAR IT YOU KNOW I WANT IT TO BE AS LOW PROFILE AS POSSIBLE.

THE INITIAL THINGS THAT WE GOT FOUR FOOT 452 INCHES WOULD COVER EVERYTHING.

SO I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT YOU KNOW UNLESS THE MATERIAL CONTAINS EQUIPMENT BUT AT LEAST THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE NOW THE SCREENS IT PUTS IT ON THE SIDE CONFIRMS THAT YOU DON'T SEE FROM A VISUAL ANGLE FROM BROWN ROAD AND ZONE PEOPLE WHO BEEN OUT IN THE AREA AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO THE HOOD IS JUST KIND OF PUSHED UP TOWARDS THE PARAPET WALL AND THE MAKE UP OF THE BACK THE HOODS HERE THE MAKE UP INTAKE IS OVER HERE ON THAT POINT THIS OUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO WHAT WHERE YOU SET IT DIDN'T I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PLAN THERE'S ACCESS THROUGH THE ATTIC AND THERE'LL BE A SIDE WALL ACCESS INSIDE YOU CAN'T SEE IT AT THE SCREEN BY THE PARAPET WALL BUT IF IT'S ONLY FOUR FEET OR 52 INCHES WHAT'S THAT? THE ACCESS COMES FROM THE ROOF TO THE DOOR SAYING THERE'S LIKE A THREE FOOT HIGH DOOR. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M IT WOULD BE A LITTLE IS BASICALLY BACK IN HERE INSIDE THE ROOF BECAUSE SECTION THROUGH THAT THERE'S A SECTION OF THE ROOF AND TO ACCESS IT THROUGH ATTIC OVER THERE RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MAYBE WE CAN START TIM ON YOUR END AND JUST GO THROUGH YOUR YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT AND DISCUSSION YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. YEAH MY MY ALWAYS MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT IT'S TO GROW BUT I MEAN THIS IS A UNIT SELECTED I MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE THAT WAY JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MAKE UP AREAS ARE HUGE YOU HAVE TO MAKE OTHER YOU KNOW I MEAN THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT AND IT'S GOING TO GROW ONE WAY OR THE AND GET WIDER AND COURSE WITH WISE AND IMMIGRATION ARE GOING TO CURVE THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW 52 INCHES COVERS I THINK I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE ARTICULATION OR SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST THIS ON WALL YOU WANT LEAVE IN THERE I MEAN EXCEPT I'M OKAY WITH THE WINDOWS I MEAN THERE'S BRACKETS THERE'S THERE'S WALL IS THE GOT A LOT GOING ON BUT ABOVE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU JUST WANT TO MAYBE SEE LIKE SOME CORNER BOARDS AND MAYBE BREAK THE HORIZONTAL SIDING UP I YOU KNOW, INFORMALITY IN EVERYTHING YOU DO BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD BREAK THAT. I'LL BE UP THERE. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LOUVERS ON THIS. I MEAN THOSE WOULD BE A LOUVER UNIT AND THAT BREAKS UP BECAUSE YOU GOT THOSE AND YOU GOT STUFF GOING ON MEAN YOU COULD KIND OF DO THAT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW WE COULD HAVE COPY THIS DETAIL IF YOU WANT. YEAH THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A

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LITTLE MORE OPEN AND YEAH THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FOREIGN TO THE PROJECT IT'D BE A LITTLE HARDER ON THE SIDES BUT ON THAT ONE THE FACADE WE'RE LOOK LIKE THAT I MEAN YOU COULD RUN INSIDE THOSE WALLS OR SO EVERYONE'S FLAT IN THERE THEY'RE SET IN THE WALLS AND THE ROOF IS YOU KNOW WE CAN EASILY COPY THIS DETAIL RIGHT HERE AND.

SO THERE'S GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A SCREENING ELEMENT THAT MAKES IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.

I MEAN JUST GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE WEIGHT FOR WATER TO GET OUT AND IT'S MUCH BETTER FOR WATER, RIGHT? MALONE IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. THANK YOU.

OKAY. I'M I'M JUST GOING BACK TO WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE AND I DON'T KNOW AND YOU SAID EACH THE AC EQUIPMENT AND ALL OF THAT AND I THINK THAT ROOM'S BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU. KEEP THOSE WINDOWS AS YOU AND YOU GOT THOSE STAIRS.

I JUST IT LOOKS LIKE TO AND I REALLY LIKE THE WINDOWS ON THERE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED NOT HAVE THE WINDOWS NOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO JUST HOUSE THE UTILITY EQUIPMENT OR JUST ABOUT OUT VERTICAL HANGERS SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE. SO IN THE PAST WE'VE WHEN WE'VE HAD WINDOWS AND WE SUGGEST THAT WE BLACKED OUT AGAIN I KNOW I'M NOT RELYING ON PRECEDENT BUT THE COMMENT WAS THAT'S NOT REALLY BEING TRUE TO THE BEING AUTHENTIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A WINDOW AND THEN TAKE THE WINDOW WE COULD PUT A A PANEL DETAIL WE DON'T REALLY HAVE I MEAN WE DO HAVE SOME SHUTTERS WE COULD PUT SOME CLOSER TO WE THE SAME COMMENT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT IS REALLY KIND OF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING YOU REALLY NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM ANYWHERE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS LARGE BAY WINDOW BLOCKING FROM THE STREET. IT'S A FIVE FOOT OVERHANG WITH LARGE BRACKETS FROM A ARTICULATION STANDPOINT THERE'S A LOT OF ARTICULATION ON THE WALL THAT IT'S THAT'S 15 FEET. THERE'S PLENTY EXAMPLES IN OLD TOWN WITH WALLS THAT HAVE LESS ARTICULATION 15 FEET IN MY OPINION. BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT A SHOW THERE. I MEAN IF YOU WANT US TO PUT A WINDOW THERE AND BLACK IT OUT WE CAN IT JUST IT'S SEEMS SOMEWHAT CONTRARIAN PLEASE CAN WE SEE WHAT THAT WAS BEFORE CHARLOTTE YEAH WELL I THINK THE WINDOWS GIVES A CAREFUL OR I'M SORRY IT MIGHT GO IN THE RIGHT WAY IN YOUR WALL THERE IS KNOW BARELY EVEN SEE THE WINDOWS THERE AND I PERSONALLY WOULD IF MISSION WOULD AGREE WITH THAT THAT ELEVATION SHOWS IT RIGHT THERE IT JUST GIVES IT SOME CHARACTER A 3-D LOOK AND THEN MY PANEL JUST PANEL I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE THAT WE HAD SHOWING THE WELL VERSUS YOUR IMAGE MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY IS IT SHOWING ON WHAT WE GOT IN THE PACKET VERSUS WHAT YOU SAY THAT'S A SLIGHT ELEVATION PROBLEM AND SO THERE'S NO PERSPECTIVE BUT WE DON'T SEE FLAT ELEVATION. SO WHEN I'M STANDING HERE AT SIX FEET TALL I THAT WAS FIVE FOOT SIX AND I'M SITTING ACROSS THE STREET FROM BREWER ROAD AND I'M LOOKING UP AT THAT BUILDING YOU DON'T YOU DON'T SEE THE WELL BECAUSE EYE LEVEL'S LOOKING UP AND THE ROOF AND THE BAY WINDOW AND EVERYTHING BLOCKS THAT VIEW.

SO THOSE TWO MY MY FAULT ON THE WINDOWS BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THE SAME THING.

SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE I LIKE THAT LOOK I THOUGHT YOU DID A GREAT JOB BUT YOU PUT THE WINDOWS BACK AND I JUST WANT TO BE UP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BLACKED OUT ON THE INSIDE AND MR. FRAZIER, YOUR THOUGHTS? I AGREE I MEAN THE WINDOWS GIVES IT MORE CHARACTER VERSUS JUST A PLAIN WALL ON THAT SIDE . ANY THOUGHTS ON THE ROOFTOP POSITION AND SUTCLIFFE YEAH, I ALSO AGREE ABOUT THE WINDOWS. I HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE ROOF. WELL OKAY. I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED A LOT OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ROOF. WELL, I DO TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER POPE'S ABOUT ADDING A A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL TO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST A STRAIGHT LAP SIDING.

MY HESITATION BE THAT SOMEBODY SWITCHES OUT EQUIPMENT DOWN THE ROAD AND WE END UP WITH SOMETHING TALLER THERE. BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF KIND OF GETTING THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'LL NOW AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN I WOULDN'T MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON EQUIPMENT AT THIS POINT. SO I THINK I'M ALL WITH THAT AND I WISH YOU GUYS IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WERE

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NICE IN PLACE. I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE NEEDED BUT I THINK THEY DO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT ELEVATION. THEY'RE JUST MAKING TALLER SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DO I HEAR EMOTION. MR.. MR. CHAIRMAN OF HAS ALWAYS BEEN RECOGNIZED REGISTRATION AND NOT A BRUCE BRUCE HERE HAVE AN HPC THIS ONE AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER HERE IN PARTICULAR I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR YOU HAVE YOUR NORMAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THESE IMAGES MAKING A DECISION TO APPROVE PROOF OF CONDITIONS OR DENY THIS OVER WHICH IS YOU KNOW AS A MODIFICATION OF EXISTING ONE. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE TWO DETERMINATIONS WHICH ALL DISCUSS THE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION OF THE ROOF. WELL THOSE ARE THOSE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY SO THAT WE HAVE THAT HPC DETERMINATION THAT THE ADDITION OF THE ROOF WELL IS ACCEPTABLE THE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS EITHER ACCEPTABLE OR NOT ACCEPTABLE IN ADDITION TO YOUR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIAL OR STRAIGHT APPROVAL. SO IF YOU NEED ANY HELP WITH THE MOTION I'M HAPPY TO BE THERE. I'M HAPPY TO HELP BUT IT LOOKS LIKE STAFF HAS A PROPOSED MOTION AND SOME SOME LANGUAGE HERE FOR YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT BEING A ONE MOTION OR DO THE DETERMINATIONS NEED TO BE YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE IT ONE IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S PRETTY CONSISTENT AND WANT IT BROKEN UP IF FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT HERE BUT SOUNDS I'M TRYING TO STEER YOU ALL ONE WAY BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL ARE FINE WITH THE ROOF WELL WITH THE ADDITION OF THE LOUVERED PANELS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE IT I DEFER THE ARCHITECTS AS ALWAYS ON THAT AND THEN THE WITH WITH THE WINDOWS IS ABOUT KEEPING THE WINDOWS OF CONDITIONS AT STAFF IS PUT THERE BEFORE YOU SO YOU DO IT AS ONE AND AGAIN I'M HERE TO GUIDE AND HELP PHENOMENON THANK YOU. WITH THAT IN MIND WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE WHICH ARE PROPS TO THE SUN OKAY THAT THE ROOF WALL IS ACCEPTABLE WITH THE CHANGE TO A DETAIL SIMILAR TO THE RAILING AND THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE TO STAY THAT WOULD BE BLOCKED OUT AND THEN FOR CONDITION NUMBER ONE AND CONDITION NUMBER ONE THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE APPROPRIATE REMOVAL GROUND LEVEL FOR YOUR PORCH SCREEN ADDITION OF BRICK PAVERS OF THE FRONT PORCH PROVISION OF THE SECOND STOREY REAR PORCH RAILINGS FOR PICKETS OF LOUVERS LOUVERS SO THERE'S A SPACE BOARD SPACE SO YOU SEE THAT THERE'S SPACE FOR SPLIT SHOWING, RIGHT? YES, I THINK I THINK YOU'RE READING IT YOU'RE DOING ALL RIGHT. OKAY. BUT DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE LOUVERS? THAT'S MY QUESTION YES. OKAY.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST BASEBOARDS RELOCATION SECOND STOREY REAR DOOR TO BE CENTERED IN THE PORCH AND CHANGE OF A SINGLE TO A DOUBLE DOOR AT THE PORCH.

ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION I.

ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION HAS PASSED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR 36 BRUNE

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ROAD. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE YOU GET INTO NEXT LITTLE BIT OF AGENDA ITEM ,WE DID HAVE SOME ATTACHMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET FOR FOR BOOP BLUE CRAB THAT WERE ACTUALLY FOR TWO BLUE CRAB. SO I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IS MAKE HAVE SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ATTACHMENTS ONE THROUGH NINE THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL ADD HAVE A SECOND VOTE TO ADD IN THE NEW ATTACHMENTS FOUR FOR BLUE CRAB JUST AS A FORMALITY SO THAT THE CORRECT ATTACHMENTS ARE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

SO FIRST I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE ATTACHMENTS ONE THROUGH NINE FROM THE FOUR BLUE CRAB PORTION OF THE PACKET. SO DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR I.

SO THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED NOW . I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ADD IN THE NEW ATTACHMENTS AS PROVIDED BY STAFF FOUR FOR BLUE CRAB SECOND ALL IN FAVOR THINK I

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SHOULD FUTURE WILL THAT BE CHANGED IN THE ON MANAGER CENTER AS WELL IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES BUT LIKE IF I WENT BACK IN A MONTH AND CLICK ON A THAT WOULD IT

[VIII.2. 2 Blue Crab Street, Lot 52: A request by William Court of Court Atkins Group (Applicant) on behalf of Blue Crab Bluffton, LLC (Owner), for review of a Certificate of AppropriatenessHistoric District to allow the construction of a new 2.5-story main house (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 3,839 SF and an attached carriage house of approximately 880 SF at 2 Blue Crab Street. The property is located in the Tabby Roads Development in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District (NG-HD). (COFA-09- 25-019925) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

WILL ME YEAH THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS TWO BLUE CRAB STREET LOT 52 REQUEST BY WILLIAM COURT OF COURT ATKINS GROUP BEHALF OF BLUE CRAB LEFT IN FOUR OF YOU AS A HD TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO AND A HALF STOREY MAIN HOUSE.

SO IF WE MAY AND KEVIN I MIGHT WANT TO DEFER TO YOU ON THIS OR RICHARDSON THE IDEA WAS TO REVIEW ALL OF OUR BLUE CRAB PROJECTS TOGETHER, TALK ABOUT THEM INDIVIDUALLY BUT SINCE THEY ARE THE SAME APPLICANT SAME DEVELOPER, SAME HALF BLOCK THERE ARE A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THESE BUILDINGS AND THE CONDITIONS I WILL TALK ABOUT OF THESE BUILDINGS AT ONCE AND IT WILL BE SEPARATE MOTIONS FOR EACH LOT AND CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S PERFECTLY FINE IF STAFF WANTS TO PRESENT IT THAT WAY THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO PRESENT THAT WAY OR TAKE IT ONE BY ONE.

OKAY. SO TO YOUR RIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. ANY CONFUSION PLEASE STOP ME ON THESE.

SO THE FOUR ITEMS BEFORE YOU 2468 BLUE CRAB AGAIN ARE THE SAME APPLICANT SAME DEVELOPER THE THEY ALL BE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES INCLUDING, AN ATTACH CARRIAGE HOUSE OR GARAGE STRUCTURE IN THE YARD. THE BUILDINGS ARE 2 TO 2 AND A HALF STOREYS MAIN RESIDENCE THEY FRONT BUILDERS WALK A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AND THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS FROM BLUE CRAB STREET. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WITHIN IN A MOMENT AND THEY ARE WITHIN RHODES AND TABBY RHODES HAS THEIR OWN PRIVATE COVENANTS INCLUDING ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. THEY DO HAVE SOME MORE RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS THAN ARE YOUDO AND WHERE THERE ARE NO STANDARDS IS THE YOUDO THAN APPLIES. SO HERE IS THE HALF BLOCK THAT I MENTIONED BLUE CRABS SOMEWHAT AS AN ALLEY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE VEHICULAR WILL BE. BOATERS WALK THE BUILDINGS WILL FRONT TO BOATERS WALK IN THAT IS A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. THIS AREA WAS INITIALLY SLATED TO BE TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT JUST LIKE THE TOWNHOMES THAT WERE BUILT ACROSS SPADER'S WALK.

THERE ARE SIX THERE. THEY WERE DEVELOPED BACK IN 2009 AND IN 2020 THERE WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE BOATERS BLOCK REGIME WELL AS TABBY RHODES THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RATHER THAN HAVING THAT ATTACHED WITH THIS CAME SMALLER DEVELOPMENT SETBACK SO THE SETBACKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT DO NOT APPLY WE REFERENCE THE REQUIRED OF TABBY ROADS.

HERE IS A PHOTO THAT YOU SEE HERE LOT IS PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

IT DOES CONTAIN A FEW TREES BUT MOST OF THEM ARE PINE TREES AND YOU MAY NOTICED THAT WE REQUIRED QUITE A BIT OF MITIGATION BUT AFTER DISCUSSION THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED IN SPEAKING WITH THE WIDOW ADMINISTRATOR HERE WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO REVISIT THE TREE REQUIREMENTS SO WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR EACH PLOT. HERE'S BOULDERS WALK THAT I MENTIONED THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE ALL ATTACHED TO ALL THE TOWNHOMES AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 217 FEET LONG.

HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW THIS IS 2013 JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE BOULDERS WALK AS WELL AS BLUE CRAB IN THE REAR SO THE REQUEST FOR TWO BLUE CRAB IS FOR A TWO AND A HALF STOREY MAIN RESIDENCE 3839 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ATTACHED HOUSE OF 880 SQUARE FEET.

THE FOUR BLUE CRAB WILL BE A TWO STORY MAIN RESIDENCE AT 3800 SQUARE FEET AND AN ATTACHED HOUSE OF 886 SQUARE FEET. SIX BLUE CRAB WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE TWO AND A HALF STOREYS VERY SIMILAR TO TWO BLUE CRAB IT'S 3846 SQUARE FEET. THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL BE HUNDRED AND 84 SQUARE FEET AND THEN THE LAST ONE EIGHT BLUE CRAB LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF PEARL AND BLUE CRAB STREET IS A TWO STORY MAIN RESIDENCE. ALSO AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE 3741 SQUARE FEET AND 933 SQUARE FEET FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. SO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ON ALL OF THEM WILL NOT BE ACCESSED FROM THE EXTERIOR. THEY WILL BE ACCESS THROUGH THE

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INTERIOR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEY WILL THE ROOM THE AREA ON THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BASICALLY BE A BONUS ROOM AND THEN THE THE GARAGE WILL BE FOR VEHICLES AND YOU SEE HERE THE COMPOSITE SITE PLAN TO BLUE CRAB HERE ON THE LEFT A BLUE CRAB ON THE RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF TREES REMOVED, A LOT OF THE PINE TREES AGAIN WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ADJUST THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TREE MITIGATION IN THE REAR WILL BE A POOL AND ALONG EACH LOT HERE THERE WILL BE A BRICK FENCE.

THE BRICK FENCE WILL BE NOT LOCATED WILL NOT BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY LINE BUT RATHER ON ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO AND AGAIN ACCESS COMING FROM BLUE CRAB INTO THE GARAGES AND THE REAR. SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND HERE YOU SEE THE FRONT VIEW.

THIS WILL FACE ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS FACE AND TWO BATTERS WALK AND THERE ARE SIMILAR TO THE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE WAY AND YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM THE DRAWING THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWNHOME DIRECTLY ACROSS SPADER'S WALK THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT LOWER HERE TOWARDS PEARL STREET IN FRONT OF EIGHT BLUE CRAB AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOFLINES ARE VERY SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER. THIS IS TWO T BLUE CRAB IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE VARIATIONS IN MATERIALS SHUTTERS RAILINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT THEY ARE FOR THE MOST PART SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICED WAS THE USE OF MULTIPLE WALL CLADDING MULTIPLE MULTIPLE MATERIALS WHICH IS REALLY INCONSISTENT WITH OLD TOWN. SO THE SUGGESTION THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO LIMIT THE WALL CLADDING TO ONLY TWO MATERIALS AND THAT'S FOR THE OVERALL BUILDING BOTH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN OLD TOWN AND AGAIN A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE VERY MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST MAKING WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE TRIO IDENTIFICATION OF DOOR MATERIALS WALL MATERIALS PROVIDING PORCH ON THE FRONT PORCH BECAUSE OF THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE NEEDED MOVING THE HANDRAIL TO THE FRONT PORCH A LOCATION THAT IT'S WITHIN ARM'S REACH AND THERE ARE SOME DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE REGARDING MATERIALS . BORAL HAS BEEN SUGGESTED FOR MULTIPLE ELEMENTS OF THESE BUILDINGS IN SOME CASES THEY IDENTIFY HARDIE OR AND SO I CHANGED OUR RECOMMENDATION SLIGHTLY TO INDICATE EITHER HARDIE OR BORAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE YUDO POWDER COATED ALUMINUM RAILINGS . WE'VE APPROVED THIS ELSEWHERE IN TOWN AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ELEMENTS INCLUDING THE POOL GATES THAT ARE PROPOSED BE THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM THEY DO WANT TO USE BRICK IN THE FENCE ALONG THE FENCES AND IN STEPS TO THE FRONT AND BACK PORCHES AND SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT TO BE LOCALLY PRODUCED IN SEVERE AND A GRADE TYPE BRICK WHICH THEY SUGGEST IN THE PLANS HAARP DOES HAVE SPECIFIC THEY ARE REQUIRING STURDY WOOD SHUTTERS UNLESS THERE IS A SUBMISSION AND THEY APPROVE ANOTHER TYPE OF SHUTTER MATERIAL THE APPLICANT SEEKING TO HAVE COMPOSITE SHUTTERS BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN OUR REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD STRAY FROM. HRB IS ALSO ASKING FOR WATER TABLES TO BE EACH OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSES THAT WILL MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE FOR EACH LIGHT AND JUST TO POINT OUT TO YOU WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THOSE OVERALL CONDITIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT FOR EACH LIGHT? SO ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE WE HAVE THE RAILING REALLY LOCATED IN THE WRONG PLACE AND NOT WITHIN ARM'S REACH.

SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THE RAILING BE MOVED POSSIBLY CONSIDER MAKING THE STAIRS THE STAIRS UP TO THE PORCH MAYBE A LITTLE NARROWER POSSIBLY THERE IS AN ADDITION OF A SHED DORMER ON THE ROOF THE HRB DID REQUIRE THIS WE LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT THIRD FLOOR THAT HAVE STORY RATHER BE ACCESSIBLE AND IF SO THERE SHOULD BE A FLOOR PLAN PROVIDED THERE IS A SHUTTER ON THE SECOND FLOOR ELEVATION THAT APPEARS TO BE INOPERABLE EITHER REMOVE IT OR

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HAVE SHUTTER DOGS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT IS OPERABLE. AND THEN ON THIS ELEVATION THE RIGHT ELEVATION THERE ARE SHUTTERS THAT ARE TABBY ROADS DOES REQUIRE THEM FOR ANY WINDOWS THAT CAN EXCEPT SHUTTERS SHOULD HAVE THEM. I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OVERSIGHT AND THEN THE SHUTTER HERE ON THE CARRIAGE IN THE BACK THEY DO NOT FIT THE WINDOW OPENING AND SO THIS WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THIS MAY BE POSSIBLY A HINGED ACCORDION TYPE SHUTTER I DON'T KNOW BUT IF YOU SEE OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT THE SHUTTERS ARE TYPICALLY WIDER SO THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN AN OVERSIGHT. THAT'S TRUE.

BLUE CRAB FOR BLUE CRAB DID NOT HAVE MANY COMMENTS HERE OTHER THAN JUST AGAIN THE PORCH RAILING SEEM TOO AND NEEDS TO BE MOVED OVER TO THAT INTERIOR COLUMN TO BE IN ARM'S REACH.

SIX BLUE CRAB AGAIN HRB DID REQUIRE DORMERS THAT YOU SEE HERE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HAP STORY IS ACCEPTABLE AND IF SO ON THE FLOOR PLAN AGAIN RAILING ISSUE AND THAT WAS COMMON ON ALL OF THEM EIGHT BLUE CRAB AT THE CORNER OF HAS A COUPLE OF SHUTTERS ON THE SECOND STORY THAT APPEAR TO BE INOPERABLE EITHER THEY SHOULD BE REMOVED OR THEY SHOULD HAVE SHUTTER DOGS AND ON THIS ELEVATION THE LEFT ELEVATION THERE IS MISSING SHUTTERS. SO HERE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND THE CRITERIA WILL BE MET PROVIDED THAT THE CONDITIONS MET DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE AND THE HRB REQUIREMENTS ARE MET.

THE FINDINGS ARE AGAIN VERY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT. I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE VERY QUICKLY. THE WALL CLADDING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO PROVIDE PICKETS THE HANDRAILS AND THIS IS A BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT WITH THE FOUR RISERS THEY NEED TO HAVE PICKETS WITHIN THOSE RAILINGS WHERE APPLICABLE MEET THE HANDRAIL AND MOVE THE HANDRAIL SO THAT IT'S WITHIN ARM'S REACH. WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE TOP RAIL NEEDING TO BE A CERTAIN DIMENSION PROVIDE THE BALUSTRADES ON THE FRONT PORCH IDENTIFY WINDOW DOOR MATERIALS ,PROVIDE GUTTER MATERIAL, ENGAGE CORRECT FENCE HEIGHT OF THEM WERE INCONSISTENT IN THE PLANS SOME ARE IDENTIFIED CORRECTLY AND THEN I MEASURE IT ELSEWHERE WHERE THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT OFF SO THEY NEED TO BE CORRECTED WE'LL NEED TO KNOW THE SOFFIT CONFIGURATION. WE WILL ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TREE MITIGATION WITH THE APPLICANT THERE WILL NEED TO BE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT REGARDING THERE ARE THREE THAT NEED TO BE MADE TONIGHT BORAL OR HARDY FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS A LOT OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH THE CORNER BOARDS FASCIA TOP RAILS IN THE REAR PORCH SERVICE YARD GATE ELEMENTS AND THIS IS PRETTY COMMON THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM FOR RAILING AND THE SAVANNAH GRAY BRICK THAT'S NOT LOCALLY PRODUCED AND AS I MENTIONED THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MET FOR B OF TABBY ROADS. THAT'S WHEN SHUTTERS STURDY WOOD SHUTTERS AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE WATER TABLE FOR THE ALL OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THIS IS SUPER TINY BUT THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR OF THE AND AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH AS I JUST DISCUSSED A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST REPETITIVE AND I'VE MADE WHEREVER THERE WERE DISTINCTIONS MADE I'VE ADDED THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THESE FOR TWO, FOUR, SIX AND EIGHT BUT THEY ARE HERE WE NEED TO REFERENCE THEM OR CHANGE THEM HERE ARE THE ONES FOUR FOR BLUE CRAB THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAD THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DIFFERENTIATION SIX BLUE CRAB AND EIGHT BLUE CRAB.

SO YOUR ACTIONS ARE YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT YOU CAN APPROVE THEM WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU CAN DENY ANY OR OF THEM AND HERE IS THE SUGGESTED MOTION THEY THE CONDITIONS THE DETERMINATIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TABBY ROADS HAARP AND WITH THAT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF ON THEIR PRESENTATION? I ON THE HAARP AND I READ THROUGH THEM THERE WERE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU MENTIONED THE GUTTERS THERE ARE GUTTERS SAYS DOWNSPOUTS SHOULD TERMINATE AT FRENCH DRAINS I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION I DIDN'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A WATER TABLE TRIM SO MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN THAT AND THEN THEY SAID THE GARAGE DOOR ANGLED CENTER TRIMS WERE FLIPPED AND SO DO NOT MATCH THE CUT SHEET. I DON'T KNOW.

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I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN OH THAT WAS OUT OF THE SYSTEM TO BLUEPRINT ACTIVITIES WERE SO SPECIFIC TO HAARP THAT I DID NOT PULL THEM OVER INTO OUR REPORT WE HAVE TO ABANDON HAARP. WE DO IN THE END THEY AND THEY WILL LOOK OUT FOR THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS. I MEAN WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S INCONSISTENT LIKE THE SHUTTERS ASKING FOR COMPOSITE SHUTTERS THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW. SO I KNOW WE'RE COMMITTED JUST MORE BUT TO CLARIFY OUR THERE ARE TWO SETS THE BUILDER I HAVE CONDITIONS FROM HAVE YOU WROTE AND THEN WHAT OUR FOCUS IS SO CORRECT AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THEM AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT EVERYTHING'S BEEN TAKEN CARE BEFORE THIS IS APPROVED TONIGHT BEFORE WE FINALIZE AND START PLANS WE MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEIR NEEDS ARE TAKEN CARE OF . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT PRESENT I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT SURE MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MY NAME IS WILLIAM COURT OF COURT ADKINS GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.

I CAN THROW A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS YOUR WAY THOUGH TO REFERENCE COMMISSIONER SILKE, COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE TABBY ROADS GUIDELINES HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPDATED IN THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE I BELIEVE THE LANDSCAPE DOCUMENTS DO NOTE THE GUTTERS BEING TIED INTO THE FRENCH DRAINS AND THE GARAGE DOORS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED THAT THEY MATCH THE CUT SHEETS SO THAT SHOULD CLARIFY WE SEEM TO BE CAUGHT A LITTLE BIT IN A CYCLICAL MOTION HERE WITH THE SHUTTERS, THE GUIDANCE WE RECEIVED FROM HARB IS THAT IF WE GET AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL APPROVED BY HPC THAT THEY WOULD ACCEPT THAT CONSIDERATION FOR THEIR SHUTTERS SO. I THINK YOU KNOW THEY'RE KIND OF REFERENCING YOU KNOW PER THE UDALL IT SAYS STURDY WOOD YOU KNOW STAFF'S COMMENTS ARE REFERENCING THE HARB IS REQUIRING STURDY WOOD I THINK THEY APPEARED TO BE FINE IF YOU WERE FINE. SO WHATEVER DETERMINATION YOU MAKE REGARDING THE SHUTTER MATERIAL IF WE CAN USE THE COMPOSITE THEY HAVE INDICATED TO US THAT THEY WILL GIVE THEIR APPROVAL AS WELL REGARDING. THE WATER TABLE COMMENT AT AT THE BASE OF THE I DON'T KNOW CAN SEE YOU SEE THE LITTLE ARROW HERE AT THE BASE OF THE MAIN WHERE THE FOUNDATION MEETS THE WALL THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PIECES OF TRIM THAT WE REFER TO AS A WATER TABLE.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY A DRIP CAP AND AN A BOARD UNDER IT IN OUR I'M GOING TO GO BACK A PAGE HERE IN OUR GARAGE DETAILS WE QUITE OFTEN USE A MORE DIMINUTIVE DETAIL USING A SMALLER WATER TABLE IF YOU WILL AT THE BASE OF THE GARAGE. WE HAD SHOWN THAT HARB SPECIFICALLY LIKES TO HAVE THEM IDENTICAL SO WE WOULD AMEND THE OF THE GARAGE TO MATCH THE BASE OF THE MAIN HOUSE AND IT WOULD IT WOULD SIMPLY MEAN THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE AND A HALF INCH BOARD UNDER THAT DRIP SO IT WOULD BE TWO PIECES OF TRIM INSTEAD OF ONE IF YOU WILL. YES. IT'S EITHER A OR B THAT'S GOING TO COME IN CHECK THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING NEED TO PUT IN THAT'S GOING TO BE IT'S ALREADY BEEN MANDATED BY I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE USED ON THE I THINK IT WAS EVEN UPDATED IN YOUR DRAWINGS WHEN I WAS TRYING TO COMPARE THOSE. IT MAY IT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN YES. OTHERWISE I THINK WE'RE COVERED WITH HAARP THERE WAS FOR SOME CONTEXT RELATED THE MATERIALS AND FINISHES IN OUR APPLICATION MEETING WITH PRC THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT YOU KNOW DOING OUR BEST TO CHANGE SOME OF THE RAILING MAYBE EVEN CHANGE SOME OF THE WINDOW PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE DID A NUMBER OF THOSE REVISIONS AND AND HARB ACTUALLY UNDID SOME OF THEM.

THEY HAD SOME MANDATES ABOUT WINDOW BEING CONSISTENT ON ALL BUILDINGS.

YOU KNOW THEY WANTED CERTAIN THINGS AMENDED THAT THEY REALLY ONLY ONE THAT MAY BE WORTH TALKING ABOUT IS THE THERE IS A COMMENT IN THE STAFF NOTES ABOUT THE UNCOMMON USE OF MATERIALS OR MIX OF MATERIALS AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE NOTED WHERE THERE ARE

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MAYBE THREE MATERIALS ON ONE BUILDING AS TOO MANY. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WE INTERPRET THESE BUILDINGS THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY BY YOU KNOW, TWO BUILDINGS THAT HAPPENED TO BE ATTACHED IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS AT PRC. THERE WAS SOME DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE PRC TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DELINEATION BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. AND ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS INCLUDED PERHAPS USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL ON THE CARRIAGE. SO WHILE THERE IS A COMMON THEME TO THE COLLECTION OF HOMES AND IT IS SEEN AS A TRANSITION IN FROM WHAT WE'LL CALL A LARGER TOWNHOME PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THAT TRANSITION BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE ARE COMMONALITIES ABOUT THE DESIGNS AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT HELP KIND OF CREATE A FABRIC LIKE THE BRICK WALLS THAT I BE COMFORTABLE IF WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER MATERIALS.

BUT I THINK THERE WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO TRY TO CREATE SOME DIFFERENCE SOME BREAK BETWEEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE MAIN HOUSE AND THAT'S ONE OF THE METHODS WE DID THAT WAS TO UTILIZE A DIFFERENT SITING MATERIAL IN EACH CASE.

SO I'M GONNA LEAVE IT THAT AND AGAIN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED RIGHT I THINKING IF WE COULD TRY TO BREAK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAYBE GO DOWN THE LINE PROBABLY START WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OVERALL STREETSCAPE AND THEN MAYBE GO DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE OR YOU CAN INCLUDE IN THAT KIND OF MAKES EXCITING MATERIALS AND THEN WE CAN TRY TO HANDLE THE SMALLER ITEMS TOGETHER. THE END COMMISSIONER PROPS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START HERE.

YEAH I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE COMMENT OF THE MATERIALS I MEAN YOU REALLY HAVE MORE MATERIALS ON THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE STUCCO BASED STUCCO CHIMNEY SO YOU REALLY HAVE FOR MATERIALS I THINK GIVE THE GARAGE WARMER MATERIALS NOW THAT'S ONE OF THE TO DO IT ON THERE I OUR HELP AS THINK COMMUNITY ON THAT SO YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE ONE OF THIS ONE OF THE TWO ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE SO PROBABLY THE SECOND FLOOR I MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BUT I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD DO TO BREAK THAT UP. SO IF WE GO TO HERE SELECTING WHATEVER THE UPPER MATERIAL IS, IT TIES THAT INTO I THINK I THINK JUST ONE OF MY MATERIALS.

OKAY AND THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. YOU ANY THOUGHTS ON THE OVERALL STREETSCAPE I'M GOING TO HAVE SMALLER COMMENTS IF YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON THE OKAY WELL.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER SILKE, WHAT ARE WE WE JUST KIND OF FOCUSING ON STREET I THINK STREETSCAPE AND THEN THE MIX AND MIXED MATERIALS IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN OR THE MATERIALS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF LOOK LIKE I LIKE OKAY I'M NOW MANUALLY STREETSCAPE YES YOU'RE TO MIDDLE HOUSE TO SHOW AT FIRST SMALL AMOUNT OF FOOTAGE BUT THE ENDS OF THOSE TOWNHOMES ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN THE MIDDLE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ON TWO BLUE CROWN AS TWO IN UNITS ARE ARE LOWER IN HEIGHT SO EIGHT AND TWO ARE GOING TO REALLY TOWER OVER THAT OTHER SPACE AND IT BOTHERS ME THEY LOOK LIKE I THINK JAMES ACTUALLY SAID THIS LINE IS DESIGNED TO BE AUTHENTIC AND THIS TO ME DOESN'T FEEL AUTHENTIC IT FEELS COOKIE CUTTER WHICH GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THE OLD TOWN MASTER BELIEVES WHICH I BELIEVE IN SO STREETSCAPE I DON'T I, I JUST DON'T LIKE IT I THINK JUST TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THAT THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS MY UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE OWNER AND HARB THAT HARVEY'S DESIRE IS THAT THERE IS A COMMONALITY OF THESE THAT THIS THIS GROUP OF PROJECTS IS A SIMP THAT THERE WERE TO BE SIMILAR FOOTPRINTS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT OUR JOB AS ARCHITECTS AT THAT POINT WAS THEN TO SORT OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP BREAK DOWN THAT COMMONALITY AND YOU KNOW THE USE OF DIFFERENT ROOF TYPES YOU KNOW GOING FROM HIPS TO GABLES THAT OF THING OBVIOUSLY ADJUST THIS TO SORT OF CREATE INTERIOR COURTYARDS BY SORT OF MIRROR IMAGING THE

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GARAGES SO THAT WE CAN CREATE A COUPLE OF SORT OF THE FEEL OF SOME DEFINED COURTYARDS AND WITH REFERENCE TO THE YOU KNOW, TO TO THE SCALE I THINK YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY AND WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS WHEN WE STARTED THERE THERE WAS NO TWO AND A HALF STORY NATURE RIGHT THAT THE DORMERS ARE A HOREB REQUEST THERE IS NO THERE'S NO FLOOR THERE THESE ARE THESE ARE THESE ARE BEING ADDED AT THE REQUEST OF HARB FOR SO YOU KNOW ON TO FOR EXAMPLE I THINK THAT THAT BUILDING I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL OVERPOWER THE TOWNHOMES IN ANY WAY THE TOWNHOMES ARE 220 FEET OF LINEAR SURFACE RIGHT IN YOUR FACE I THINK I APPLAUD THAT THEY DECIDED TO BREAK THESE UNITS UP AND TO SORT OF BEGAN THE TRANSITION BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I PERSONALLY PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PUT A DORMER THERE TO TRY TO IMPLY A HALF STOREY BUT THAT'S THAT'S BEEN A CONDITION OF OUR APPROVAL AT SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN DUKE IT OUT BUT WAS THAT WRITTEN ANYWHERE? I MEAN I LIKE SEEING IT ON PAPER I'M YEAH WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TO PROVE WE'VE GOT OUR WAY WE WANT TO YOU KNOW WE HAVE IN THEIR PRELIM SUBMITTAL THEY REQUESTED DORMERS TO BREAK UP THAT ROOM SO YEAH I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO HPR SEE WHAT WE REVIEWED WERE LETTERS FROM HARB WITH A LOT OF SCREENSHOTS AND THINGS HIGHLIGHTED AND EVEN I THINK SOME CLIP AND PASTE DICTATING WHERE DORMERS AND THINGS GO.

YOU GUYS SUBMITTED SOME OF THAT KIND OF EXACTLY AS THEY HAD COPIED AND PASTED IN AND THEN SINCE ADJUSTED THE SCALE TO MAKE IT FEEL BETTER IN THE ROOF .

BUT HARBERTS BEING PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE WHOLE ELEVATIONS THAT WAS IN I DON'T RECALL THAT SPECIFICALLY I KNOW THEY WERE LIKE HE PUT THREE PRETTY PRETTY ARCHITECTURE IN THIS IT JUST WAS INTERESTING AND AND WE HAD ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT YOU KNOW, MAKING THE RAILINGS, MAKING COLUMNS DIFFERENT.

YOU'VE GOT LIKE FIVE OR SIX THINGS THAT YOU CAN CHANGE ON HOUSE WITHOUT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT. SO THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAIRMAN DURING HPR SAY A WEEK WE ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS THAT WE ATTEMPTED TO EMPLOY AND UNFORTUNATELY UNDER A FEW OF THEM SO I UNDERSTAND THE BUT I ALSO COULD SAY FROM FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE YOU COULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE TOWNHOMES. THAT IS NOT A FABRIC THAT IS CONSISTENT YOU KNOW THEY ARE IDENTICAL IN EVERY WAY I THINK THIS IS JUST HOPEFULLY ATTEMPT TO SORT OF SOFTEN THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT THAT PROJECT THE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES AND KIND OF BUT AGAIN GO AND LOOK AT IT THE TWO IN UNITS ARE ALMOST TWO STORIES SMALLER THERE AND I I I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR THEY'RE TWO STORIES STRUCTURES THERE IS ABOUT FIVE FEET OF DIFFERENCE IN THE ROOF AND I WOULD SAY THAT OUR TALLEST STRUCTURES ARE LOWER.

YEAH THEY ARE ACTUALLY THREE STORIES RIGHT. YEAH CORRECT BUT THE THE ROOF DIFFERENCE IS I MEAN YOU CAN SEE OOPS SORRY I COULD YOU KIND OF SEE IT ON THAT BUT YEAH TOO BUT IT'S GOOD THE VAST MAJORITY FROM FROM THAT POINT OF THAT CHIMNEY OVER TO HERE IS ESSENTIALLY ALL ONE ROOF, ONE. SO THERE IS ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THE FINISHED PRODUCT OF THIS VERSUS THAT AND THINK SOMEHOW WE'VE KIND OF OVERBUILT THE TOWNHOMES. I DON'T REALLY I MEAN I THINK THERE'S A ENOUGH SCALE TRANSITION THERE AND HONESTLY THE VISUALLY THIS STREETSCAPE PROBABLY MORE VISIBLE EVEN THAN THE FRONT YOU KNOW BUILDERS WALK IS IS KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN SO FROM FROM THE CASUAL DRIVE BY I THINK THE FACT THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSES ACTUALLY HELPED BREAK THE FOREGROUND THAT ALLOWS THE TWO STORY MAPS TO BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE CASUAL OBSERVER PROBABLY HELPS IT DOES CREATE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY A PAINTERS WALK TO CREATE SORT OF A TRUE LIVABLE WALKABLE PEDESTRIAN STREETSCAPE THAT'S GOT TWO STORY STUFF TWO AND THREE STORY STUFF I GUESS BUT THAT'S THERE AREN'T THAT THAT'S NOT A HIGH TRAFFIC ZONE THERE I THINK MORE PEOPLE WILL EXPERIENCE FROM THE ROADSIDE THE BLUE CRAB SIDE AND I GUESS FOR ME I'M A MORE CAUTIOUS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE .

I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT

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WAS GOING TO BE WHICH WAS SOMEONE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE TOWNHOMES UNTIL RECENTLY WHEN THE DEVELOPER THE LANDOWNER IT I DO LIKE THE I LIKE THE REAR BEDROOM IN THE FRONT WELL REALLY HEAR THE NEIGHBORS AND SEE REALLY I'M COMING NOW TALKING TO THE TOWN HALL NEIGHBORS THEY WILL SEE WHEN THEY WALK OUT AND THE REST OF YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE THIS MORE THAN ANYBODY REALLY TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS. OKAY.

THANK COMMISSIONER FRAZIER. I WOULD AGREE IN REGARDS TO THE POWER THE LEVELS THERE WITH THE TOWNHOMES AND WE WANT TO BE CAPABLE OF POWERING THOSE TWO ON IN IN REGARDS TO THE MATERIALS. BUT I DO ALSO AGREE THAT IT IS TO ME WE NEED TO KIND OF BRING IT BACK AND COMMISSIONER SUTCLIFFE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER POST ABOUT THE MATERIALS THINK I'M ON A SEASON I'M STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE VIEW FROM THE STREET SIDE WITH THE TOWNHOMES BEHIND IT THAT'S ALL I KNOW REALLY SMALL STUFF YOU KNOW LET'S HOLD OFF ON THAT FOR A MOMENT IF WE COULD. SO THIS SO THIS VIEW IS FROM THE STREET WHEN YOU'RE ON THE ACTUAL ROADWAY LOOKING TOWARD SO THERE WILL BE YOU KNOW I THINK WHAT I APPRECIATE THE PLAN IS THAT THERE'S PORCHES FACING PORCHES IN THIS AND SO YOU KIND OF WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN THAT WALKWAY YOU DO HAVE KIND OF THAT STEPPING EFFECT. I WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE AND I DID GO BACK THIS AFTERNOON AND DROVE THROUGH. THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES IN THERE NOW THAT ARE TWO STORIES AND KIND OF LIKE A ONE ROOM WIDE GABLE END OR HIPPED AND LIKE ARE FACING THE STREET A LOT OF THE NEWER STUFF IS KIND OF THAT TWO STORY LOOKS SOME OF THE OLDER STUFF IS LIKE A SEVEN FOOT HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH IS ALMOST A 4/2 STORY REALLY SO I KIND OF THOUGHT THE SCALE FOR THIS FELT RIGHT IN THE SPACE BUT I DO AGREE THAT I THINK KIND OF WHERE THE IDEA FOR THE EXTRA MATERIAL BREAKING UP THE GARAGE I IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE KIND OF STEPPED BACK AND HAD ONE FEWER MATERIAL ON THERE.

THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PROBST ON THAT AS FAR AS MATERIALS GO.

SO I GUESS IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND JUST OPEN IT UP TO ADDITIONAL COMMENT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE TWO STRONG VOICES CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START WELL I'M TRYING TO GET RID OF THIS HAVE. I HAVE MY BIBLES HERE AND FROM MY HISTORY LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE OUTSIDE IN I AM REALLY TIRED OF ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES AND SAID EVERY SINGLE MEETING YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU WERE BASING IT ON A CENTER HALL HOUSE AND I GUESS I'M ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE STAFF BUT THIS REALLY DOESN'T FIT THE VERNACULAR THAT I SEE LIKE IF I LOOK AT OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN AND IF THIS WAS ANYWHERE BUT A COMMUNITY THAT HAS A OR B RULES IT TELLS YOU THEY WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS. I WOULDN'T EVEN ASK QUESTIONS AND DENY IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT FITS THE VERNACULAR OF LONDON IN WHOLE INTENT OF THE MASTER PLAN BUT I DO THINK YOU WERE WORKING TOWARD A CENTER HALL HOUSE WHICH WOULD MAKE ME MUCH HAPPIER TO APPROVE BUT STAFF HAS TURNED IT OR WHOEVER HAS CHANGED IT TO AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AND I WENT AND COMPARED THE TWO AND I REALLY DON'T WHY WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS AS A CENTRAL HALL HOUSE THAT WOULD I KNOW IT'S WORDING BUT WE CONTINUE TO SEE PEOPLE COME TO US WITH ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES THAT IS GOING TO DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING I'M GOING TO SAY EVERY MEETING NOT PLEASANT YOU KNOW I WANT US TO CHANGE THIS I MEAN SOME PUT IT OUT ON RECORD FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO LISTEN THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE WIDTH OF THE LOT AND I GUESS I STAFF IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S AN BUILDING TYPE IT SAYS THAT STUDIO ADMINISTRATOR OR THIS OR APPROVES THE ACTUAL ABILITY FOR YOU TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE SO COULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS AS A CENTER HOUSE EVEN THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE LOT THAT'S MY ONE QUESTION ON YOUR

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HOUSES I WISH YOU COULD DROP ON MY FOOT I WISH YOU COULD GET THEM ALL AROUND 34 TO 35 FEET WHICH THERE'S A WAY TO GET THAT TEN FOOT SECOND FLOOR TO A NINE FOOT AND JUST GIVE IT A LITTLE LESS ESPECIALLY ON THE TWO BLUE CROWN SO THAT THAT'S NOT ON MASS AND SCALE AND HEIGHT THEN I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE HAVING TO WORK WITHIN I GET YOU GOT TWO DIFFERENT BOARDS TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ADDRESSING IT TO YOU TO HELP ME MAKE THE CHANGE OR FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO THIS IN ANY OTHER WAY BUT AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE LOTS MAYBE FOUR. OKAY. AND YOUR AND YOUR THOUGHT IS MOSTLY FOR KIND OF THE SEMANTICS OF IT AND THE PRINCIPLE OF APPROVING SOMETHING AS A CENTER HALL HOUSE THAN THE BUILDING THAT HAD ABOUT 98% SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION AND BUILDING TYPES AND CARRIAGE AND WE ALSO HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONDITIONS ON SOME OTHER THING I AGREE WITH KALITA Y'ALL OUR ARCHITECTS WHAT OUR UTM SETS AND THE CONDITIONS ARE LENGTHY FOR THIS BOARD TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO YEAH SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IT SAYS SENATE HOUSE NOT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TYPE. OKAY I'M I'M NOT SURE BUT FAST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY SUBMITTED I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THAT FALLS IN BUT I THINK A WORTHWHILE STATEMENT TO MAKE. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, PERHAPS PERHAPS STAFF CAN ADDRESS WHY THIS IS BEING PROCESSED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE AND PROVIDES AN INPUT INTO THEIR JUST FOR THE RECORD KEVIN EICHER, DIRECTOR MANAGEMENT SO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND FROM A CONTEXT STANDPOINT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TABBY SHELL DEVELOPMENT WAS CREATED PRIOR TO EVEN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED. SO WE'RE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING LOTS EXISTS AN EXISTING RB THAT WAS ALREADY SET UP PRIOR TO OUR STUDIO SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIT YOU KNOW SQUARE PEGS INTO ROUND HOLES TYPE DEAL BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO TRYING TO WORK WITH THESE PROJECTS.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON CALHOUN STREET OR YOU KNOW THAT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE DISTRICT THAN YES, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT EYE TO IT SO IT'S WE ALSO HAVE TO TREAT LIKE EACH PROJECT BEING UNIQUE AND TABBY SHOW IT IS UNIQUE SAME THING YOU KNOW STOCK FARM'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT THAT ALSO HAS ITS OWN YOU KNOW, RULES, RULES AND REGULATIONS. BUT I THINK THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AFTER THE UDR WAS HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED SO NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OLDER PART OF STOCK FARM BUT THE NEWER PART SO WE'RE TO WE'RE TRYING TO MERGE BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER TO GET A PROJECT THAT THAT WILL WORK OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS ONE. YOU KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MASS AND SCALE.

I THINK IT SEEMS EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THE MASS AND SCALE FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT BECAUSE OF THOSE TOWNHOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT. SO I YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUILDING TYPES AND THE ADDITIONAL TYPES AND YES, I WANT TO SEE MORE OF THE TRADITIONAL ONES THAT ARE COMING SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT.

BUT THESE FOUR LOFTS ARE JUST VERY UNIQUE IN MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY THE THE FULL CENTER CINDER HALL TYPE IS NOT AS THAT'S WINTER IT'S FRONTING ON BUILDERS WALK BECAUSE THAT IS THE DEBATERS WALK IS THEY SMALL LIKE LITTLE YOU KNOW IT'S MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINT VERSUS WHAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ON A PUBLIC ROAD. CAN I ASK A QUESTION SO ON THE THE CHART IS IT DID DID YOU DETERMINE IT HAS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS AND THE SIDES OF IT BECAUSE HE HAS HIT EVERY CHECKBOX ON CENTER HALL HOUSE IN THIS PLAN IN THIS BOOK. SO YOU LOOK AT THE CHART AND ADJUST OR THOSE AREAS THAT WE CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION ALSO FROM THE CHART STANDPOINT IS THE THE WHEN THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED WAS DEVELOPED WITH SETBACKS ALREADY ESTABLISHED SO THEY DON'T MEET LIKE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR CENTRAL HOUSE I THINK THAT IT CALLS FOR YOU KNOW A 70 TO 100 FOOT WIDE LOT IT CALLS FOR YOU KNOW THE FRONT SETBACKS ARE FROM BILL TO LINE AS WELL AS ACTUALLY SIDE SETBACKS OR THE SIDE SETBACKS I BELIEVE WERE TEN FEET AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE HAVE OR THESE FIVE. OKAY. SO AGAIN WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE

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WEAVING THROUGH TO TO GET A PROJECT THAT WILL WE'LL WORK ON THERE AND ON AND ON KILLING HORSE BUT I GUESS I NEED TO HEAR YOU TELL ME WHY DIDN'T WE TAKE IT AS A HE DESIGNED IT AS A CENTER WHOLE HOUSE IT BECAUSE THE SETBACKS ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR UDL AND THE WIDTH OF LOT. IS THAT WHY WE HAVE TO CALL IT AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING? YES YES AND THAT THAT LETS US HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION AND BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH BCA WITHOUT GOING ENDLESS VARIANCE REQUEST JUST FOR THE RECORD WHEN WE WORK ON OUR STUDIO IT'S ON MY LIST. I THINK WE NEED TO SECTION OUT PLANNED LIKE A TABBY ROAD AND A STOCK FORM. YES TO LIKE WE DO A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES FOR THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES HAVE NOTHING BUT ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES JUST SEE IT ONE MORE TIME UP IN THE SCREEN. YEAH IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT FROM AN I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY LIKE LIKE YEAH AND THERE'S ONLY LIKE A HANDFUL OF LOTS THAT ARE LEFT IN IN TABBY SHOW CHANGE AND MULTIPLE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES ARE ALL 3900 SQUARE FEET THE OF OPENING JUST AS WELL THE MORE CREATIVE AREA AND BULLET POINTS AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH BUILDING TYPE THE HARDER IT IS FOR US AS ARCHITECTS TO APPLY CENTER ALL TO A LOT THAT DOESN'T MEET ONE SIMPLE COMPONENT OF IT I THINK IT'S IT'S TIED YOUR STAFF'S HANDS BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DESIGN A CENTER ALL WE CAN'T CALL IT THAT WE CAN JUST PRETEND WE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY BUT I CAN'T WE CAN'T SUBMIT IT THAT WAY UNFORTUNATELY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY WE HAVE WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TIME THAT DISCRETION THAT'S PUT INTO THE HPC IS A LITTLE BIT THAN WHAT IS WITH THE YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNATED OR TRADITIONAL BUILDING TYPES UNDER THE FORM BASE COBRA IF IT'S A YOU KNOW, SIDE YARD NIGHT OR CENTER HALL MEETS QUALIFICATIONS IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBJECTIVITY WITH THE ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH APRIL.

SO YOU DO HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR CRITERIA BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME SORT OF VERY CLEAR PARAMETERS BUT BASED OFF OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED AND ESTABLISH REVIEW CRITERIA FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL BOARD THAT WAS EXISTING PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE IDEA THIS WHERE YOU WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE AND THOSE VARIANCES DOES MAKE SOME SENSE FROM AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE WHERE IT COULD APPLY IN A CASE LIKE THIS VERSUS THROUGHOUT A NUMBER OTHER PLACES IN OLD TOWN WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN USED TO JUST AS A AS A WORK AROUND TO FIT WHAT THEY WANT ON A SINGLE BLOCK. AND I THINK WITH THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION THAT'S NEEDED DEFINITELY WITH HPC AND THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THAT THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON IS TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN WHICH INCLUDES POTENTIAL UPDATES TO THAT SO THOSE WOULD BE COMPONENTS THAT WE WOULD THEN ESTABLISH IN THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN THAT CAN THEN HELP TO DICTATE CHANGES TO THE VIDEO THAT WE MAY NEED. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I DON'T I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS BACK IN ON THE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONS.

A LOT OF THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN HERE ARE THAT CAN EASILY BE ADDRESSED ON THE PLANS AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO THEN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES AND TO WORK WITH ARB SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALL ALIGNED AND GET THESE PLANS APPROVED SO THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FRAZIER, YOU'VE ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS KIND OF ON THE PROJECTS OVERALL MAYBE WE CAN USE TO BLUE CRAB IS KIND OF LIKE THE LET'S GO THROUGH ALL OF THE INFORMATION I WOULD IF MAY ONE MORE THING SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO MAKE A MOTION CAN YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE THE STATEMENT HERE WHICH SAYS I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATION MADE HBC FOR EACH ITEM YOU DO NOT NEED TO READ YOU CAN JUST SAY AS SHOWN ON ON THE SCREEN AND THEN THAT WAY IT'LL JUST IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER THAN TRYING TO REPEAT IT EVERY SINGLE TIME BUT WE CAN ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. I'LL LET YOU HANDLE THAT PART

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OF NO MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHERE IT CAN REALLY START WHEN YOU HAVE THESE REALLY IN FRONT OF YOU. I KNOW WE WE SPOKE ONCE BEFORE ABOUT STAFF WORKING WITH APPLICANTS IN REGARDS TO KIND OF RESOLVING A LOT OF THESE THINGS WHERE COME BEFORE US IT MAY SEEM SMALL BUT SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THIS THIS IS JUST A LOT WHICH TELLS ME THAT THERE'S JUST SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THIS AND I AGREE WITH WHAT LISA HAS SAID IN REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPES I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE FINDING AGAIN OR TRYING TO COMPARE WITH THE HRB AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR STUDIO AND TRYING TO REALLY HELP MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I REALLY HAVE TO SAY IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID AND WITH REGARDS TO THE THE SCALE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSIONER PROBES DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO RAISE AT LEAST ON TO BLUE CRAB I WROTE THAT ARE NOT CONTAINED IN THE CONDITIONS OR DETERMINATIONS THE GREEN ELEVATION SPECIFICALLY TO YOU CAN GO TO THE OVERALL THE FIRST ONE START WITH IS THE SHUTTERS ON THE OTHER MYSELF AND THE ONE FOR THOSE I DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER WERE I BELIEVE INTENDED TO BE BIFOLD THAT MAY NOT BE THERE BUT OKAY I DON'T RECALL AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MARKET HERE AND CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD WITH HORROR QUITE A BIT. THERE WAS A REFERENCE THAT ARB WAS REQUIRING SHUTTERS THAT THE OTHER TWO DOUBLE WINDOWS THEY DID NOT BUT IT IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR GUIDELINES SO WE COULD GET CLEARER IF AGAIN THERE ARE JUST A FEW OF THESE LITTLE ODDS AND ENDS WE COULD CERTAINLY GET CLARIFICATION IF YOU GUYS HAD A PREFERENCE I DON'T CARE. THOSE ONES DECIDE BESIDE THE FEATURE WHERE THEY TYPICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE RIGHT WINDOWS FOR YEAH YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT THOSE ARE TWO DON'T FOR INSTANCE AND THEN I GUESS I'VE SEEN WOULD BE AN ELEVATION WITH TOP THE SHUTTERS ON THE TOP ON THE CORNERS THEY SEEM TO BE ON A SCALE THAT THERE WOULD BE LIKE NUMBERS ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER TOP RIGHT ELEVATIONS OF THE TWO WINDOWS RIGHT THERE THAT THEY'RE VERY SQUARE THAT WE'RE EVALUATING OUR PERSONALLY I RARELY I GO TO THE BIBLES AND THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE COULD YOU SAY THE SAME BOTTOM RIGHT OR ANY OF THOSE ARE DOUBLE MEAN IS IT MORE YOUR CONCEPT OKAY. YOU KNOW I MEAN BENEFITS TO I THINK A FEW BETTER KNOW THIS PLACE YOU'RE NOT A SINGLE GOVERNOR YOU LOOK YOU THEM I'M FIVE THERE AT THE EXPENSE IT'S THE SAME THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE BUT YOU HAVE THESE SKINNY ONES SO I IN THE SYSTEM THAT I READ HOW OPPOSED WHAT THE BIBLE WHAT IS MORE VERY ORIGINAL HERE AND PERIOD AND I THINK WE NEED TO START MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS I THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO DO HAVE ANY ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SHUTTERS ON THE BOARD OKAY I MEAN I CAN CONSISTENTLY HOLD THAT YES.

AND ONE OTHER COMMENT AND THIS IS KNOW ARE WE ALLOWING FOR SHUTTERS FOR THE WINDOW I THINK WE YEAH WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT IN HERE BUT WE CAN PICK THAT UP IF WE WANT TO GET IT ALL OVER THAT THE STAFF COMMISSION IN IN THE PAPERWORK IS TO REMOVE THEM I BELIEVE WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE RULED IN THE PAST. I MEAN I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THERE THROUGH THE RV REQUEST THAT ELEMENT THAT CLEARLY REMEMBER THAT WAS

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A SPECIFIC AGENCY THEY DIDN'T REQUEST IT BUT. THEY DID WE'RE SEEING A FULL VERSUS A BIFOLD YOU KNOW THEY DIDN'T REQUEST THE FULL SHUTTERS VERSUS THE BYPOLLS FOR THE DUBLIN WHICH IS I THINK ON A SINGLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAKES THEM VERY GOOD SO DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE CLOSED SHUTTER WAS A REQUIREMENT OF OUR THAT WE WANTED IT TO GO AWAY SLIGHTLY IN THAT WAY SAME BASIS FEEL I MEAN OAK AVENUE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT ON HARDWARE. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY.

ALL THESE EASY ARE FIGURING OUT THIS IS I MEAN IT'S IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DENIED IN THE PAST BUT WE NEEDED BECAUSE IT WASN'T I DO THE OTHER DAY THAT HARDWARE IS OFTEN THE IT'S MORE OF THE PRINCIPLE OF HAVING A FALSE WINDOW AND ANNOUNCING KEEP CHALLENGING PEOPLE TO BREAK UP FACADES IN ANOTHER WAY AND MORE THOUGHTFUL WITH ACTUAL WINDOWS I MEAN IT DOES NEED BE THERE IF WE DON'T OR THAT'S FINE JUST SOMETHING THAT COMES UP ALL THE THE IF I'M RUNNING THROUGH THESE CONDITIONS ONE WE'VE KIND OF ADDRESSED THAT HAVE STORY ACCESSIBLE TOO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF WALMARTS AERIALS AND THAT ONE WAS FINE THE HANDRAIL ON THE FRONT PORCH THERE'S A THINK THE PICKETS MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY THE SIDING HANDRAIL OVER I THINK WOULD REQUIRE SHORTENING THE STAIR AS WELL. WE COULD GO ONLY FOR AN ELEVATION AND I AIRLINES AND I THINK YOUR COMMENT IS ALL YES THE I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CHANGE YES OKAY THE TOP RAIL BEING TWO AND THREE QUARTERS INCHES DID YOU HAVE ANY ON THAT ELEMENT IF YOU GUYS WANT THINK IT ACTUALLY NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS BOTHER US AT ALL SO IF YOU WANT THE TOP RAIL TWO AND THREE QUARTERS WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

THE ONE WINDOW MATERIAL THAT I'M ASSUMING IS THE FLAT WINDOW YOU KNOW THE AND THE SAME WITH THE DOOR MATERIAL. CORRECT. AND YOU'LL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ON THE GUTTERS YES AND THEY WERE HALF ROUND IN THE DETAIL CORRECT.

AND ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH FENCE HEIGHT OR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN? WELL I HAD QUESTION ON THE FENCE SITE BECAUSE IT WAS FINALLY WAS ABLE TO BLOW IT UP TO SEE THE HEIGHT THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WENT FROM 3 TO 5 AND I THOUGHT YOU MADE A COMMENT IS IT TO KEEP IT SAME I THOUGHT I SAW A COMMENT ON THE SEE THE HEIGHT VARIES THERE WILL BE SERVICE YARDS IN THE SIDE YARD SO THE FENCE DOES GET A LITTLE BIT TALLER IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT YOU THAT YOU SEE HERE INTO THE PORTAL THAT THEY DO FOR PRIVACY AND IN THE REAR YARD THE FENCE CAN BE SIX FEET UNDER AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN A THREE OR FIVE FOOT HEIGHT THE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IS ONLY 42 INCHES AND THEN IT CAN BE TALLER TO SCREEN THE SERVICE YARDS SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S VARIATION A MINIMUM OF 42 INCHES THAT WOULD BE I JUST I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID YOU SAID 42 BUT IS THAT DOES IT HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 42 AND NO HIGHER THAN FIVE? YEAH, LET ME READ THEY WERE 3 TO 4 FEET.

THIS IS A VERY SLOW TURN. THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT VIEWS WITH THE FENCES AND I MEASURED WITH THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAD AND I WOULD SEEN SOME DIFFERENT JUST WHAT WERE THE FENCE HEIGHTS TO BE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE PLAN EXACTLY YEAH SO THAT MEANS EITHER ALL 48 OR ALL WELL NO AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I, I JUST WANT THE HEIGHTS IDENTIFIED TO BE BASED ON THE DIFFERENT VIEWS I HAD MULTIPLE PAGES AND SOME PAGES THE FENCE HEIGHTS VARIED AND WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE HERE. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT EVERY IN THE PLAN SET IS HAS IS THE SAME OR THE HEIGHTS THE SAME QUESTION ME THAT'S LOOKING I'M LOOKING AT I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ONE YES IN BETWEEN EACH SO THE HOUSES THAT USE THE FENCES OFTEN THE PROPERTIES RUN FENCE IS IT GOING TO BE IT WILL VARY BUT YOU CAN SPLIT THE PROPERTY SO IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE ON FOUR

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OR SIX IS GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. OH NO.

AND WHAT LIKE THEY'RE ALL ATTACHED TO THE BACK? YES.

THAT'S THE ELEVATION I'M LOOKING OUT OF OF OUR I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS ON WHAT EXACTLY WHAT PAGE THAT IS AND I DON'T HAVE THAT LOOK WELL THIS ONE WOULD SHOW IT TO THERE IS A THEY DO THEY DO CONNECT IT'S JUST THE OFFICIAL FENCE LINE THAT DOWN THE SIDE WILL WILL MAINTAIN ON ONE PROPERTY OR THE OTHER OKAY OKAY THAT COVERS FENCES WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER NINE INOPERABLE SHUTTER THAT WAS REQUESTING THEY PROVIDE A CORNER BOARD DETAIL ANY DISCUSSION THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OKAY IT WAS A WE WILL WE'LL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY I THINK FOR A LOT OF LOCATIONS NOT MANY THE GOING THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY EVEN THE TOWNHOMES HAVE GREAT WORLDS IN THE FRONT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN THE LAND.

YES WELL WE'LL ON WORK ON IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL TREES.

YES THERE'S A WHOLE LIST YEAH. LESSON YEAH WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO ADJUST THEIR PLANS TO PUT HER TREES IN THEIR BACK .

OKAY. SO THAT'S IT FOR CONDITIONS ONE 312 FOR OUR DETERMINATIONS THESE WILL BE SAME FOR ALL OF THEM THAT BOREAL IS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO HARDY AND WE APPROVED THAT IN THE PAST. ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT POWDER THERMAL COATED ALUMINUM BEING ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATE MATERIAL FOR THE PORCH HANDRAILS I WE'VE BEEN ACCEPTED AND I'M FINE WITH THAT I THINK WE WENT AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND NON LOCALLY PRODUCED PRODUCED BRICK YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE CLOSEST BRICK PRODUCER THAT I CAN THINK WE HAVE BEEN WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING LIKE A CHEROKEE BRICK AND GOOD YOU GUYS WANT TO AVOID STICKING WITH THAT PALLET OF OAK? WHAT I'M HEARING THAT EVERYBODY IS KIND OF ON BOARD WITH THE DETERMINATIONS AS WELL WELL AND THEN I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING WE WOULD REALLY HAVE TO DISCUSS IS STURDY WOOD SHUTTERS. THEY SO IF I MAY WHAT WE CAN DO IS YOU CAN YOU CAN CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE COMPOSITE AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS IN THE INTERIM BEFORE WE DO A FINAL APPROVAL WE WOULD HAVE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HRB SHOWING THAT THEY FIND IT ACCEPTABLE TO TO ALLOW FOR THAT COMPOSITE AND THEN THAT WAY WE COULD PUT THAT INTO THE INTO THE APPROVAL PACKAGE. OKAY.

NOW ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF WE DON'T GET THAT APPROVAL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WOOD.

YEAH. OKAY. SO QUESTION YOU HAVE A QUESTION KEVIN AND MAYBE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO HAVE READ THIS WAS REQUIRED BY HAARP TO PROVIDE ALL FOUR OF THESE AT ONE TIME, CORRECT? THESE FOUR HOUSES WERE ASKED BY HAARP TO KNOW THAT THEY SAID WE HAD TO HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE SAME TIME BUT THEY'RE NOW READY FOR YOU SEVERAL AND MISUNDERSTOOD IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILT ALL AT THE SAME TIME IF THEY WILL BE STAGGERED. SO HERE'S MY QUESTION IF YOU GO THROUGH WITH THE TREE AND ALL OF THAT AND THEY START ON ONE AND FOR SOME REASON ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO CLEAR THE WHOLE PROPERTY OR CAN STICK IT TO AN INDIVIDUAL? EACH LOT IS AN INDIVID PERMIT SO THEY WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS IT THAT SO IF THEY THEY'D HAVE TO SUBMIT BUILDING PERMITS AND THEIR STORMWATER AFFIDAVITS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY GO TO START IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE TO TO SUBMIT ALL FOR AT THE EXACT SAME TIME AND THEN THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL FOUR OF THEM THEY STILL HAVE TO GET ALL SEPARATE AND EACH ONE OF THEM IS STILL INDEPENDENT. THEY COULD BE WORKING AT THE SAME ON ALL OF THEM BUT OR THEY COULD WORK ON JUST ONE AT A TIME AND MAYBE CAN SERVE THE GOALS TONIGHT TO HAVE THEM.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM CLEAR AT ALL AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS SO.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEY HAVE TO HAVE APPROVED BUILDING PERMITS AND APPROVED PERMITS PRIOR TO ANY OF THAT HAPPENING. SO IF ONE, ONE AND TWO AND FOUR BUILD OR TWO AND WHATEVER YEAH

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THEN THEY FOUND THE MARKET NOT ACCEPTING OF THIS TYPE OF PLAN AND THEY WANT TO COME BACK THEY CANNOT THEY CANNOT CLEAR THAT LIKE A LOT BECAUSE THE HOUSE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT HOUSE THAT ALLOWS MORE TREES TO STAY IN THE MARKET IT TAKES YEAH THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT IFS SO I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO YEAH WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW THEM SO AGAIN PRESENTATION PURPOSES WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THIS ALL TOGETHER INDIVIDUALLY LIKE SO WE ARE WE WILL LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THEY WILL HAVE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING PERMITS AND WE WILL FOCUS ON SO IF THEY CHOOSE AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD THEY MIGHT NOT MOVE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF OR WHATEVER. THEY HAD A TWO YEAR WINDOW TALK TO WORK THROUGH THAT SO AS THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD YOU KNOW IF THEY ONLY CHOOSE TO DO TWO FOR AN EIGHT AND THEY LEAVE SIX WELL THEN THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING SIX TOUCHING THAT'S THAT'S NOT THIS WILL MAKE SURE BECAUSE THIS WHOLE AREA WHAT TERRITORIES IF WE ALLOWED IT JUST WHY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM PLANTS MORE YEAH IF IF I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GOING WITH THIS LOOKING TO IMPROVE WITH CONDITIONS AND THEN UNDER THE ROADS REQUIREMENT THAT THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HRB ALLOWING FOR THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL THEY IF THE TOWN FINDS THAT ACCEPTABLE IF YOU CHOOSE IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE CONDITIONS AS SHOWN ON THE CHANGE OKAY SO WE'RE WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE SETTERS IF THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL OR NOT. WE NEEDED MORE CLARIFICATION REGARDING FROM HAARP AND THEN WE NEEDED THAT SUGGESTION WITH SHORTEN THE STAIRS WHEN THE HANDRAIL MOVES OVER. THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED ALONG WITH THE COMPOSITE SHUTTERS WAS ONE OF THEM TO REMOVE THE SHUTTER THAT WAS THAT THAT'S MY NUMBER FIVE OR NINE AND IT SAYS THAT IT SAYS OR TO GIVE OR TO USE INOPERABLE A SHUTTER ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE FRONT ELEVATIONS WHICH ARE DOGS TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF OUR RULES THAT ARE THINK THAT'S A REFERENCE IN THERE WHAT WE WANT TO REMOVE THE SHUTTER OKAY SO HOW DO WE HANDLE FULL SHUTTER IF IT'S A COMPLEX AND THEY NEED TO HAVE THE FULL SHUTTER RIFLE IF THERE WAS A CONDITION IN THE PACKET IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THE FULL SHUTTERS I KNOW THEY'RE NOT YOUR FAVORITE ON THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME BUT A PART OF IS REQUIRING FULL SHUTTERS WE CAN ADJUST THAT ONE BY A FULL SHUTTER TO A FULL SIZE SHUTTER.

I MEAN MY PROBLEM IS THE SHUTTERS ALL GET THE SAME WAY. NO NO DIFFERENT SHUTTER.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT WINDOW THE SQUARE WINDOW AND HAD THAT THAT'S OKAY WITH THAT BUT THAT'S QUITE ROUTINELY TRUE IT'S NOT THAT UNCOMMON THAT YOU AGAIN WOULD JUST BE ON THE SAME SOUND AND IT JUST IT LOOKS ORDINARY THE PROPORTIONS VERY CONSISTENT.

I WASN'T CERTAIN BUT SO WOULD A SOLUTION BE MAKE THE DOUBLE WINDOW THAT HAS BIFOLD MAKE THEM POLL SHUTTERS IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION? I THINK THE PROBLEM THERE IS A SIDE ONE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE SORT OF SHUTTER JUST ON ONE SIDE IT'S GOING TO LOOK ON THAT. WELL, NO, I'M JUST REFERRING TO THE DOUBLE ONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ONE CURRENTLY THAT HAS FIVE BULBS.

YOU KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE AT THE BOTTOM ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THOSE RIGHT THERE. BUT THERE'S NO BIFOLD ON THOSE THAT THAT IS JUST THOSE HOLES ARE INCONSISTENT IMAGES. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO HARB SO HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE QUESTION SO YOU COULD YOU CAN CONDITION IT THAT THAT THAT THERE WOULD BE FIVE FOLD PER BASED APPROVAL IF NOT JUST THE FULL SHUTTER WOULD BE IN OKAY SO MAYBE THERE'S YOU FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY I MEAN I USE A SINGLE SHUTTER ALL THE TIME AND I'M LIKE THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME

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IT'S A WINDOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PROPORTIONAL SHOW THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE SAME WINDOW THERE'S DIFFERENT SHUTTER MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO HERE IS TO PROVIDE CLARITY TO THE APPLICANT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING CLARITY TO STAFF AND STAFF AS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. AND THIS IS QUITE A TASK BEING LAID OUT TO THEM BECAUSE OF THE SHEER NUMBER OF CONDITIONS AND YOU KNOW, THE VARYING NATURE OF THEM, SOME OF WHICH DEPEND ON HARP, SOME OF WHICH WE NEED THIS MATERIAL TO PROVIDED AND JUST THE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS AND IN PARTICULAR THE MATERIALS, THE SHELTERS WHILE I KNOW NO APPLICANT EVER LIKES HEAR THE DREADED WORD TABLED YOU HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF GREAT INSIGHT TO THE APPLICANT INCLUDING ABOUT THE BUILDING TYPE SCALE AND MASSING. THEY KNOW THAT THE OVERALL SCHEME APPEARS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU ALL BASED OFF OF WHAT AGAIN WHAT WE HEARD TODAY AND THE ABILITY TO COME BACK HERE WITH A NUMBER OF THESE CONDITIONS ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH INPUT FROM YOU KNOW WRITTEN STATEMENTS FROM HARP ABOUT THEIR DESIRE FOR A KIND OF CONSISTENT BUILDING TYPE ON THESE SLIDES YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT INTO YOUR PACKET ABILITY TO HAVE ALL OF YOU KNOW A NUMBER OF THOSE CONDITIONS CAN BE MET SO THAT WHAT STAFF HAS TO DO WITH THE NEXT LEVEL IS NEARLY AS BURDENSOME ON THEM AND CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES PRETTY QUICKLY.

THEY SAY THEY SEEM FINE WITH THEM AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE HERE AND DESIGN BY COMMITTEE UP HERE AS TO A NUMBER OF THESE YOU KNOW I DON'T TYPICALLY SAY THIS BUT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS AND THE SUBJECTIVE NATURE SOME OF THEM INCLUDING THE WALL CLADDING, THE SHUTTERS, EVERYTHING ELSE JUST THE SHEER VOLUME OF CONDITIONS ALL THESE MY MY STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS TO TABLE IT TO AVOID INADVERTENTLY PROVIDING THE WRONG YOU KNOW, INADVERTENTLY NOT ADDRESSING SOMETHING STAFF MISSING SOMETHING OR GIVING CONFLICTING INFORMATION. AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO GET THEM THE APPROVALS AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE IDEA. I THINK THEY CAN GET THAT AND I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.

I THINK YOU'RE YOU'RE PRETTY CLOSE HERE BUT FOR THE FIRST THING THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER FRAZER SAID I KNOW COMMISSIONER SZOKA SAID THE SAME THING WAS THE VOLUME OF CONDITIONS. THIS IS FAR TOO MANY AND IT'S PUTTING A BURDEN AND STAFF PUTTING A BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT AND IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO SERVE TWO DIFFERENT BODIES. BUT I THINK AGAIN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED AND I THIS CAN BE MOVED ALONG A LOT QUICKER AND WITH A LOT LESS CONCERN FROM STAFF WE CAN TABLE THAT BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU AND HAVE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ALREADY ADDRESSED JUST MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THESE CONDITIONS TAKING NOTES AND YOU KNOW AS WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SHUTTERS I MEAN WE CAN GET IT BACK. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION HARM AS TO WHETHER A ONE OFF BIFOLD OR A SINGLE IS GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY WOULD ALLOW THE THE SHUTTERS AS YOU ALL HAD RECOMMENDED SO WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION TOO. YOU'RE NOT MAKING A IF YOU WANT IF YOU ACCEPT THIS IF YOU'RE NOT DELEGATING YOUR AUTHORITY TO THIRD PARTY HEY GUYS, IF YOU ALL WILL ACCEPT THIS THIS WHAT WE WANT IF YOU WANT THEN WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOU SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE CONTROLS ANOTHER HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE COVENANTS AND THEIR COVENANTS ARE IMPORTANT AND MORE RESTRICTIVE WILL WILL REGULATE THEY HAVE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO ALLOW THOSE BUT AGAIN YOURS IS THE LAW OF THE LAND SO THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AS WELL. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION YOU MAY CHOOSE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. YOU CAN TRY TO FORMULATE I WILL HELP MY BEST TO STEER YOU THAT WAY IF THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT BELIEVES AS BEST OR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS BEST BUT AGAIN THAT'S MY HUMBLE RECOMMENDATION THANK YOU.

I HAVE HEARD FROM A LOT OF MEMBERS UP HERE ABOUT A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.

I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE. IF WE GO THAT DIRECTION THAT'S A MOTION THAT WE MAKE. IT IS A MOTION THAT YOU ALL MAKE NOW WHAT WE OFTEN DO IS ASK THE APPLICANT WHETHER THEY WILL CONSENT TO THAT TABLE BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR OBLIGATION EXPECT TO BE HEARD ON A DAY THEY PRESENT AND GENERALLY ARE ENTITLED TO AN

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ANSWER AND IF THEY IF IF THEY REQUIRE AN ANSWER YOU CAN'T APPROVE IT.

YOU CAN PROVE WITH CONDITIONS YOU CAN DENY AND THERE'S CERTAINLY A SUBSTANTIAL BASIS HERE FOR A DENIAL IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T ADEQUATELY PROVIDE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE APPROVAL BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE COMPLICATED NATURE YOU KNOW, COMPLICATED QUESTIONS HERE. SO BUT TYPICALLY WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THEIR TO IT AS WELL AND THEN WE WORK WITH STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT STAFF ABLE TO GET THIS ON THE SOONEST, TRY TO GET THIS BEFORE HBC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WHILE I RESPECT THIS VISION AND I LOOK TO HIM CONSTANTLY I FROM A STAFF LEVEL I THINK WE WOULD PREFER IF WE CAN GET THESE CONDITIONS APPROVED THIS EVENING AND WORK THROUGH THEM AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT FROM A DEADLINE STANDPOINT TODAY IS ACTUALLY THE DEADLINE FOR DOCUMENTATION FOR A FEBRUARY HPC MEETING. SO IT DOES PUT IT PUTS A STRAIN THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO TURN THIS INFORMATION AROUND EXTREMELY QUICKLY IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO STAFF WHO THEN HAS GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. SO IT DOES IT DOES CAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF STRESS AS THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD GET THROUGH TONIGHT. I KNOW ALREADY 740 BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE GET THROUGH THEM AND THEN THAT WAY THEN THE BACK END STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TIED TO TRYING TO GET A DEADLINE TOGETHER TO GET A PACKET BACK OUT TO YOU WITH REVISED INFORMATION REVISE STAFF REPORT REVISE EVERYTHING SORRY ISN'T I MEAN THAT'S IT'S A LOT OF WORK IT IS A LOT OF WORK IT'S A LOT OF WORK USUALLY IT TAKES MONTHS YOU'RE RIGHT YES BACK SO YEAH I RESPECT YOU KEVIN I REALLY DO AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY UNDERSTAND BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT LOT OF THESE NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP BEFORE THEY COME BEFORE US. OKAY, MY OKAY. AND LIKE I SAID I RESPECT YOU.

I RESPECT WHAT IS SAID. HOWEVER, THIS IS A LOT AND IT IS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE APPLICANT THOUGH MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS ARRIVED ON OUR DOORSTEP YESTERDAY AND SOME OF THEM ARE CONTRADICTING WHAT WE WERE GIVEN AT HPC AS DIRECTIVE TWO DO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF ALONG THE WAY? SO SOME OF THESE ARE NEW TO US BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 14 ON THE SCREEN HERE ARE IMMEDIATELY ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT, ARE MINOR IN NATURE AND ARE GENERALLY HANDLED BY YOU KNOW WITH STAFF APPROVAL ANYWAY. YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE ARE JUST YOU KNOW TO INCLUDE SHUTTERS ON THE THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WE'RE NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE SAME KIND OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN FOR THE APPLICANT IS WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS THAT AREN'T MISSES IN THE UDL THEY'RE OPINIONS OF A BOARD RIGHT SO I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THOSE OPINIONS AND THEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH THEM WITH STAFF YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT DIFFERING OPINIONS THE USE OF BIFOLD SHUTTERS ON THE BOARD SO WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM HOREB AND WE'VE KIND OF COMPLIED WITH WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. I'M HAPPY TO TO SEND THAT BACK TO HER BUT I'M SURE WHY THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WAITS EXTRA TWO MONTHS FOR WHEN WE VERY WELL MAY NOT GET CLARITY FROM HER IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW MAY SAY WE LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS AND THEN I STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS STAND.

SO IT DOES PUT US IN A DIFFICULT SPOT WHEN WE GET SOME OF THESE COMMENTS ABOUT NON LOCALLY PRODUCED BRICK THINGS AND THAT'S A THAT'S THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS THAT COMMENT ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED IN PACKAGE.

SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT BUT MOST OF THESE WE FULLY AGREE WITH WE'RE HAPPY WITH I'M TO IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF AND TRY TO MAKE THE CONDITIONS ZERO BUT THERE THEY ARE ITEMS THAT AGAIN IT'S NOT AS THOUGH WE WERE BLATANTLY TRYING TO DEFY THE YOUDO HERE WE TRIED TO ACTUALLY CREATE A BUILDING THAT MET THE CRITERIA THE UDL THERE ARE SOME YEAH IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF MATERIALS I MEAN IT WAS KIND OF A CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH PRC SO I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE IT. I WORK WITH STAFF TO DO IT.

WE WANT YOU GUYS TO BE HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT BUT IT WILL BE A TWO MONTH DELAY ON APPLICANT AT THAT POINT OR THE THE OWNER IN WILL SAY YES THERE THERE ARE AS YOU NOTICE A LOT OF THESE CONDITIONS THERE IS A CODE SECTION THAT IS ATTACHED IT SO THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE

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CLEARLY BEEN ESTABLISHED SO THEY ARE ITEMS THAT AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS HAVE PICKED UP THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED SO CLEARLY THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THERE THAT THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THAT FINAL SUBMITTAL.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU KEVIN I MEAN BECAUSE WE GOT THE PACKET I KNOW THIS IS ALL THE HOLIDAY TOO BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD THE PACKET IN TIME WITH THE HOLIDAYS THAT WE DID GET OUR PACKET LAST WEEK I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT IT YESTERDAY TOO BECAUSE I READ THESE CONDITIONS WHEN I WAS ON BUT AGAIN IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MONDAY.

YEAH BUT WE'RE TALKING I DON'T KNOW HOW COLD I THINK IT COMES TO US AND IT GIVES A SENSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD THINGS UP BUT IT'S VERY HARD AND I GO BACK AND I KNOW HOW STAFF GOES THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION ON A HOUSE THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO US ON BECAUSE MISTAKES WERE MADE AND I THINK THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO GO AND LOOK AT THIS HOUSE TO, GIVE YOU A SOFA AND I TRIED TO WRITE IT DOWN AND I GAVE ON THAT'S ALL RICHARDSON WRITING I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION AND I HATE BUT I WOULD ASK I AGREE WITH RICHARDSON WE NEED TO GET THESE CONDITIONS DOWN AND I HATE THAT YOU JUST GOT THEM YESTERDAY BUT WHENEVER I DID DO THE RESEARCH ON THE CODE AND THE SECTION ON EACH OF THE CONDITIONS SO I FEEL LIKE COMMISSIONER FRAIZER NOW ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WRITING REMINDER TO SPEAKING TO THEM I KNOW IT'S SO HARD TO BE EITHER WORKING THEM GOOD I'M SORRY. OKAY FISHER PROCESS TEMPERATURE FROM YOU I MEAN SO IT IS A LOT OF CONDITIONS I MEAN THEY ARE MINOR AND EVERY EVERY BEFORE COME BACK TO THE PRC FOR REVIEW STILL HAVE TO APPROVE APPROVAL MAKE SURE THE CONDITIONS ARE MET AT ALL SO THERE IS NOT A READING ON THAT BEFORE YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY AND ADDED YOU KNOW AS PART OF THE APPROVAL REQUIRE THAT IF THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST TYPICALLY WELL ALL THOSE ARE APPROVED LET'S DO THE WAY IT IS THEN CONDITIONS WILL BE APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL .

IS THAT WHAT YOU ASKED. THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I ASK.

WE HAVE HAD WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE ALL HEADING IN THE SAME DIRECTION BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW SOMETHING PRETTY BIG IS CHANGING. WE'VE KIND OF ALL DECIDED WHERE IT'S GOING BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES BACK TO PRC FOR ONE FINAL DAY.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT WAS BUT THERE ARE TWO I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR PROPERTIES HERE WITH MULTIPLE CONDITIONS. I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SENDING BACK WITHOUT SEEING THAT HERE RIGHT. I MEAN EVEN IF IT'S CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING SO THAT THEY'RE NOT WAITING TWO MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS WITH PROTOCOL SYSTEMS PROCEDURE OR WHAT HAVE YOU BUT I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT 64 CONDITIONS. YEAH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IT'S ABSOLUTELY TAKEN KIND OF A LOT OF THESE ARE SOME ADDING SOME DETAILS AND PROVIDING SOME INFORMATION.

YEAH SO WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BUT I THINK MY BIGGEST ONE IS KIND OF THAT MIX OF MATERIALS AND WHAT ARE WE DO WE KNOW DRIVE BY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT TO SEE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING YEAH AND I KNOW WE HAD ONE LAST PRC MEETING WHERE YOU GUYS CAME IN WITH THE PLANS WAS KIND OF FRESH SO I'LL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT ONE WHERE IT WAS IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? IT'S JUST COMING OPPOSITE EVENTS MORE OFTEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THE FULL BOARD ALLOWED TO ATTEND NHMRC MEETING TO WEIGH IN OR? I THINK THAT WELL THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE HPC AND SAID WHAT'S IT CALLED? AND SHE SAID AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND GET ALL OF THE KNOWLEDGE THE DECISION MAKERS HERE AND YOU'VE HEARD SPECIFICALLY AND YOU'VE HEARD THE CONCERN BUT AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS ONE WHO BROUGHT UP THE IDEA AND TABLING HERE BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE A NUMBER OF THESE ARE ONES THAT WE SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

IT REALLY WAS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IT WAS THE MATERIALS THIS YEAR AND THEN AGAIN FOR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES YOU'VE GOT IT'S NOT JUST ONE PROPERTY WE'RE SEEING THESE CHANGES BUT HOW ARE THEY GOING THERE'S GOING TO WORK IN CONTEXT FOR ONE ANOTHER AND REALLY IN OPINION MADE TABLING SO YOU CAN GET A MORE DEFINITIVE PRODUCT TO LOOK AT IT AND REVIEW MADE

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SENSE TO ME AS OPPOSED TO SHOUT OUTS JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS BACK AND FORTH ON IT ARE THE REAL THE TWO BIG ISSUES THAT WOULD JUSTIFY COMING BACK BECAUSE AGAIN MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ONES THAT YOU SEE ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS. WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL FOR IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO THAT? THAT IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE THE SPECIAL MEETING I MEAN OR LIKE SPECIAL MEETINGS OR, IS THERE OBVIOUSLY SOME BUT I MEAN AS I STATED THE DEADLINE IS TODAY FOR FEBRUARY HPC MEETING.

SO AGAIN THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO AND THE PROJECT IS NOT THE ONLY PROJECT THE STAFF WORKING ON SO YOU KNOW IT GETS PUT INTO THE LIST OF PRIORITIES AND I MEAN IF IT IF IT'S READY FOR FEBRUARY THEN IT WOULD BE MARCH AND NOT MY RECOMMENDATION REGULAR MEETING WE HAVE THIS HAPPEN LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S A TABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE THEIR LEAD APPLICATIONS AND THIS IS DIFFERENT WITH AN ISSUE BUT JUST KIND OF FOLLOW THE PROCESS MORE ME TO BE ABLE TO RENDER THE DECISION YOU MAY FEEL LIKE YOU DO NOT NEED MORE INFORMATION OR OTHER THINGS COME COMMISSIONER SUTCLIFFE WISH I HAD ANOTHER DOZEN OF THESE MEETINGS UNDER MY BELT. SURE.

YEAH, BUT THAT HAS BACKFIRED. YEAH, EXACTLY. I MEAN I THINK YOU'VE GOT, UH, THREE MAYBE FOUR OF US THAT ARE FEELING YOU KNOW LIKE WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO GO FORWARD BUT THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND THE COMPLAINTS YEAH YOU KNOW A LOT GOING ON HERE AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION UM YOU KNOW JUST THE FACT OF THE FACT THAT WE MEET ONCE MONTH AND IT'S DUE ONCE A MONTH OR A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME THAT IT TAKES A LOT LONGER BETWEEN THESE THINGS BUT OTHERWISE WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE IT GO FASTER BUT I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE SORT OF NEED TO STEP BACK AND LET YOU GUYS HASH IT OUT WITH HEART A LITTLE BIT AND YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE FEELING AND COME BACK WITH CLEAN DIRECTION.

I WOULD AGREE AND AND I DO KNOW THE POINT I MEAN I HEAR IT FROM MANY APPLICANTS.

THERE ARE THINGS WE HAVE GOT TO FIX WITH OUR PROCESS AND WITH OUR PSEUDO APPROVED YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE DETERMINATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT MAKES THE SCREEN CLEANER AND I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT TO GET A LIST OF APPROVED MATERIALS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK AND YOU DON'T TO BE CONFUSED I, I WILL BE HONEST I NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS ANYWAY SO IF COULD TABLE IT AND GET THIS DOWN I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S JUST FROM ONE FIFTH OF THIS GROUP. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THREE HOUSES HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST THIS HOUSE OR ALL THREE? WELL, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE INDIVIDUAL MOTIONS BUT WE CAN PUSH ON THE TABLE THIS ONE AND THEN GO TO FOUR.

I STAND STRONGLY IN REGARDS TO ALL THEM. I THINK WE SHOULD SPEAK TO ALL WE ARE TO ISSUE CORRECT MY COMMENTS AND THE OF AND SO DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR TO UH TO BLUE CRAB DO WE NEED TO DO IT OR YEAH WE MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE A MOTION TO TABLE AND MOVE THAT WE TABLE TWO BLUE CRAB UNTIL CONDITIONS ARE SETTLED A SECOND ALL IN BY ANY POST OKAY TWO

[VIII.3. 4 Blue Crab Street, Lot 51: A request by William Court of Court Atkins Group (Applicant) on behalf of Patrick Mason (Owner), for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the construction of a new 2-story main house (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 3,800 SF and an attached carriage house of approximately 886 SF at 4 Blue Crab Street. The property is in Tabby Roads Development in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District (NG-HD). (COFA-09-25- 019927) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

BLUE CRAB HAS BEEN TABLED MOVING ON TO FOUR BLUE CRAB SEAL HD REQUESTED BY COURT ATKINS AND WILLIAM COURT DO WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF THE CONDITIONS WHICH I THINK ARE ALL VERY MUCH THE SAME DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ON ITEMS ON OF CRAB THAT ANYBODY WAS WAITING TO MAKE PRETTY MUCH JUST ABOUT THE SAME WITH THE RAILING THE FENCE .

MHM. WHAT HAPPENED SIR. YEAH YEAH OKAY WITH THAT ONE DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS THING THE OTHER DETAILS IN THE BRACKETS TELL JUST HAVE A QUESTION I HAVEN'T THE SCHOOL I DON'T THINK I HAVE LIKE WE SAID FOR I'M SORRY WHICH ONE HERE IT

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IS THE BRACKET PACKAGE. YEAH RIGHT MY ONLY QUESTION IS ON THERE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A SCHEME ON THAT AND IT LOOKS I GUESS I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ONE TIMBER LEANING OUT WITH THE TIMBER STRUCTURE AND THEN IT STEPS UP TO A SMALLER DIMENSION GO LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE THIS LARGER BECAUSE FOUR IS NOT FORTUNATELY IT'S NOT THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE I GUESS I WAS INTENT ON THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT IT'S BASICALLY IT COMES INTO THE TWO BY EIGHT AND THEN IT'S GOT TOM INSIDE THAT STRUCTURE AND THEN IT JUMPS UP TO LIKE IF YOU WERE TO THE REASON THE BEAM IS NOT BELOW THE ROOF IT'S NOT EXPRESSED THE WALL ON SO WHY IT'S WHY IS IT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE JUST JUST IN THE STREAM BUT THAT BEAM IS EXPRESSED SEVEN INCHES FOR THE RIGHT THIS IS THE APPLICATION PAGE FROM THE APPLICATION SHOWING THIS FOR A DETAIL THAT WE HAD OH THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN THERE DETAIL NOW THERE'S A DETAIL THAT JUST GOES UP IT DOESN'T HAVE THIS IS THERE IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN THAT DETAIL? LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THERE YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE THE DETAIL. THE DETAIL WE HAD WAS JUST HAD A PIECE AND IT WASN'T ANOTHER ONE PERHAPS IT COULD HAVE. I CAN'T IT'S IT'S IT'S THERE SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO BEAM THERE. THIS THING CAME OUT OF THE ROOF.

THE BEAM WAS AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT AT ALL SO FAR.

BUT THE DETAIL OF THAT IS THERE PERHAPS IS THERE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL? SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY THEY'RE HAVING A BEAM SUPPORTING THE ROOF THAT THE BRACKET SUPPORT.

OKAY. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO INSIST.

OKAY. IT'S A PART OF WITHOUT A DETAIL THAT IS THE PACKAGE SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFERENT THIS PROPERTY DOWN HERE. THERE'S ONE ARM THAT COMES OUT RIGHT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE OKAY GOT IT. WE HAVE AREAS TO AND THAT'S OKAY ANY OTHER ITEMS ON FOR BLUE CRAB. WELL SHE HAD AND I DIDN'T SEE ON THE OTHERS BUT ITEM SEVEN SHE JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE ON THE BRICK WALL TO SCREEN THE SERVICE YARD BUT IT WASN'T MENTIONED INTO SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S THAT'S ADDRESSED TO BE NO MORE THAN SIX FEET BUT TO SCREEN FOR THE SHARD IT WAS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN EVERYTHING ELSE LOOKED COMPARABLE TWO YEAH I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THERE UNFORTUNATELY.

YEAH I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE CONDITION TO MAKE YOU WEREN'T CAUGHT OFF GUARD ON ANYTHING AND I STILL QUITE HONESTLY UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE WALL WITH THE BRICK AND THE FENCE AND I THINK THE PACKAGES ARE CONSISTENT AND THEIR HEIGHT IS ADEQUATE TO SCREEN THE SERVICE . I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING ON NUMBER FOUR. I'M NOT SAYING THAT CREATED A CONDITION FOR IT.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT NEXT TIME. OKAY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION ON BLUE CRAB? I MOVE WE TABLE BLUE FOR BLUE CRAB THE ALL IN FAVOR I FOR BLUE CRAB HAS BEEN TABLED MOVING ON THE SIX BLUE CRAB ANY

[VIII.4. 6 Blue Crab Street, Lot 50: A request by William Court of Court Atkins Group (Applicant) on behalf of Patrick Mason (Owner), for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the construction of a new 2.5-story main house (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 3,846 SF and an attached carriage house of approximately 884 SF at 2 Blue Crab Street, Lot 50. The property is in Tabby Roads Development in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District (NG-HD). (COFA-09-25- 019628) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

SPECIFIC COMMENTS TO SIX BLUE CRAB THAT WERE NOT IN THE CONDITIONS THE CONDITIONS ARE ALL THE SAME AS NUMBER TWO YEAH I MEAN AT THE SAME TIME OF THAT BRACKET ONE BRACKET IS GOING IS THERE THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD ADD IS THAT THAT GABLE AND ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER I THINK IT NEEDS SOMETHING UP IN THAT GABLE AND EVERY OTHER ONE'S GOT A WINDOW IN IT AND SO WHETHER IT'S A LOUVER OR SOMETHING IT'S JUST A LITTLE BLANK UP THERE. WE'RE IN HERE.

YES, RIGHT THERE. SO EVERY OTHER GABLE LINES GOT A WINDOW IN IT AND ALL THE OTHER ONES HAVE A LOUVER IN IT. I THINK IT'S EITHER A WINDOW OR A BLUE OR SOMETHING.

YOU'RE COMFORTABLE OR BLUE OR I THINK THE LEAVES ARE OKAY. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BLANK UP THERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON SIX BLUE CRAB? OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION ON SIX BLUE CRAB MOVE THAT WE TABLE

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866606 BLUE CRAB I'M SORRY I HAD EIGHT IN FRONT OF ME ALL RIGHT I AM SECOND I'LL SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING BLUE CRAB BY SIX BLUE CRAB HAS BEEN TABLED MOVING ON TO BLUE CRAB

[VIII.5. 8 Blue Crab Street, Lot 49: A request by William Court of Court Atkins Group (Applicant) on behalf of Patrick Mason (Owner), for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District to allow the construction of a new 2-story main house (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 3,741 SF and an attached carriage house of approximately 933 SF at 8 Blue Crab Street, Lot 49. The property is in Tabby Roads Development in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District (NG-HD). (COFA-09-25- 019929) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

SO HD DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO EIGHT BLUE CRAB THE ME I WANT I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT ON IT OKAY THE TRAILERS I I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH PROOF I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL TO FLY A TRAILERS ON THOSE AND DIDN'T HAVE A ON IT AND I THINK THAT WOULD IF ARE WAS THE ANGLE OF THE TRAILERS NO THAT AT HARBOR REQUEST OKAY GIVEN THAT ABSOLUTELY I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHER ONES TOO.

OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON A BLUE CRAB? OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION ON IT? BLUE CRAB I MOVE THAT WE TABLE EIGHT BLUE CRAB THAT'S A SECOND.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING EIGHT BLUE CRAB I A BLUE CRAB HAS BEEN TABLED CAN WE IS IT POSSIBLE TO AGREE ON THE DETERMINATIONS SO THAT'S ONE LESS THING THAT'LL BE ON THE REPORT OR DOES THAT JUST NEED TO COME BACK SINCE WE'VE TABLED IT I GUESS WE JUST COME BACK BECAUSE THINGS MAY CHANGE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO LESSEN.

I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY AS WELL. JUST TAKE IT OUT.

SIT QUIETLY FOR ONCE WELL I THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE THEY MADE A MOTION I KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT TOO SO I THINK WE PROVIDE A CLEAR DIRECTION ON THOSE BUT YOU CAN GET A FEELING YEAH BUT WE WOULD STILL HAVE A VOTE ON IT CORRECT. OKAY WE HAVE DETERMINATIONS ABOUT THE CAUSE OF ALL THE POWDER, THE MATERIAL MATERIALS AND DETERMINATION AND THAT WAS ALL SIMILAR TO WHERE WE USED IT IN THE PAST I THINK IS EQUAL THING WE HAD A PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. I WANT OH WHERE DID MY AGENDA GO RIGHT?

[IX.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]

THAT WAS THE LAST OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS WERE IT FOR NEW BUSINESS MOVING OUT TO DISCUSSION THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY BY STAFF RIGHT A FEW FROM THIS PAST MONTH RETAINING WALL TWO WATER STREET WE HAVE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT ITEM FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT AND ONE DAY REPLACEMENT SO NOT HAPPENING FROM NOVEMBER 17TH THROUGH TO MID-DECEMBER.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF REPORT? I HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE NOT ON THAT. WE HAD BEEN TOLD LAST THAT WE'D SEE THE HISTORIC RESOURCE UPDATE IN FEBRUARY. IS THAT STILL PLANNED FOR FEBRUARY? ARE WE MOVING IT OUT? YES SO WE HAVE A DRAFT COPY OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROVIDING COMMENTS BACK TO THE CONSULTANT.

THE GOAL IS WE WILL BRING THIS IN FRONT OF YOU MORE FOR A JUST A PRESENTATION ASPECT OF IT AND THEN POSSIBLY A LETTER SUPPORT THAT WOULD THEN BE GOING TO TOWN COUNCIL SO.

THIS WILL MOVE FORWARD IN MARCH TO TOWN COUNCIL AND WE'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION ASSOCIATED WITH AND AGAIN HISTORIC RESOURCE SURVEY IS DATA SO ALL IT IS IS DATA THAT WE'VE HAD TO CONSULT AND COLLECT SO YOU KNOW WE'LL HAVE THE FINDINGS FROM THERE GLENN WILL BE HERE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION YOU SAID TOWN COUNCIL IN MARCH BUT DID YOU MEAN HERE IN MARCH? NO, MA'AM. HERE IN FEBRUARY AND FEBRUARY, YES.

YEAH. WE'LL HAVE IT HERE IN FEBRUARY THEN MARCH IN TOWN IN FRONT OF TOWN COUNCIL. THANK YOU. YOU ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OUR NEXT WILL BE WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT THE MOVED A SECOND TIME ALL IN FAVOR. HI.

YEAH

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Jan 07, 2026 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

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