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[I.CALL TO ORDER]
IS 6:00 PM WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WETMORE.
COMMISSIONER RICHAL CORE? HERE.
COMMISSIONER LYDIA PAUL? HERE.
YOU HAD LIKE TWO HEARS WHEN YOU SAID THAT.
HOW'D YOU DO THAT? OH, I SAID ONE.
REGARDING ADJOURNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR ANY NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM IF WE ANYWAYS, UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE, 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE TO ADOPT THE MINUTES?
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SECOND.ANY DISCUSSION? CHANGES, EDITS.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC HELMET? NOT DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC? NO.
YEAH, THEY'RE WATCHING AT HOME.
AND THERE IS NO OLD BUSINESS UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
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HAVE ADOPTION OF THE 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DATES FOLLOWED BY ADOPTION OF 2026.DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING DATES.
UH, I JUST BROUGHT UP ON YOUR SCREENS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND APPLICATION COMMISSION SCHEDULE FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND MAKE A MOTION ON IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET.
SO YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT ALREADY.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS MAY 27TH IS TWO DAYS AFTER MEMORIAL DAY.
IS THAT GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH ANYBODY? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, DO WE HAVE TO MOVE? DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION ON THIS OR WE JUST RECOGNIZE IT? MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE 2026 SCHEDULE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPLICATION FOR OUR SCHEDULE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL THROW DRC ON THERE.
I'LL BRING IT UP IN ONE SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
TRIED TO DO 'EM AT THE SAME TIME.
I JUST BROUGHT THIS UP, WHAT IT REALLY IS, CALLING OUT THAT IT IS EVERY WEDNESDAY AT 1:00 PM SAME SCHEDULE AS WE'VE DONE YEARS PAST.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW COMMITTEE.
[VII.3. Chipotle at May River Crossing (Development Plan): A request by OnPoint Partners, LLC on behalf of First Chatham Bank, for approval of a Preliminary Development Plan application. The project consists of the construction of a single-story 2,385 SF restaurant with associated infrastructure. The property is within the Jones Estate Planned Unit Development (PUD) consists of 1.12 acres identified by tax map number R610 036 000 3211 0000 within the May River Crossing Master Plan at the intersection of May River Crossing Road and Pondberry Road. (DP-08-25-019908) (Staff - Dan Frazier) ]
ON NEW BUSINESS, CHIPOTLE, MAY RIVER CROSSING.DEVELOP OUR REQUEST BY ON POINT LLC ON BEHALF OF FIRST CHATHAM BANK FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION.
THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE, SINGLE
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE JONES ESTATE.
PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF 1.12 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY
IT'S A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CHIPOTLE AT MAY RIVER CROSSING.
IT IS A REQUEST BY ON POINT PARTNERS, LLC ON BEHALF OF FIRST BANK FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE STORY, 2,385 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A PULL UP WINDOW AND ASSOCIATED PARKING, ACCESSES, LANDSCAPING, WATER, SEWER, AND DRAINAGE.
THE 1.12 ACRE PROPERTY ZONE JONES ESTATE, PUD.
AND IT IS WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE MAY RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER HERE.
WE, WE'VE GOT A STARBUCKS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
UM, ACTUALLY THE CVS THAT HAS GONE THROUGH JUST RECENTLY SITS, SITS RIGHT ABOVE HERE.
SO, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PARCEL G ON THE MASTER PLAN.
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UH, WE'LL BRING UP HERE IN A SECOND.THIS APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS LOCATED WITH THE JONES STATE PUD.
THEREFORE, IT'S SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE PUD AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS WELL AS THE MAY RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PARCEL G ON THE MAY RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN.
IT'S ACCESSIBLE FROM, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ROADS WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT.
I'LL POINT THEM OUT IN A SECOND.
AND TO CONFORM TO THE CURRENTLY APPROVED MASTER PLAN, ANY PROPOSED BUILDINGS ON THIS PARCEL MUST FRONT THE ADJACENT PARK AMENITY.
THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN IS THIS IS PARCEL G ACTUAL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR VERY WELL, BUT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PARK AMENITY.
THE INTENT OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THE PARK, THAT THE BUILDING THEMSELVES WOULD FRONT ONTO THE PARK.
THERE'S EXISTING NON STREET PARK THAT WRAPS AROUND THE AMENITY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT SHOULD ORIENT SO THAT THEY'RE FACING THE PARK AMENITY.
HERE'S A LAYOUT OF THE SIDE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SET UP.
UH, IT'S ONE WAY THROUGH THE PARKING.
THIS IS EXISTING MAY RIVER CROSSING THAT CUTS RIGHT ACROSS THE MIDDLE OF THE PARCEL G THIS IS EXISTING MAY RIVER CROSSING AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS POND BERRY ROAD AS AS YOU GO.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TURNED TO YOUR RIGHT IS NORTH AND YOU COME OUT, UH, BERRY ROAD.
TAKES YOU RIGHT OUT THE TO, UH, OAK T HIGHWAY.
THE BUILDING 2,385 SQUARE FOOT.
THIS IS, UH, THE DUMPSTER ADJACENT TO IT.
WE HAVE A, AN EXTENSION OF A WALL ACROSS HERE GIVES AND, AND IT ACTUALLY TURNS UP SO IT ENCLOSES THE DUMPSTER.
IT ALSO GIVES THE ILLUSION OF MORE FRONTAGE ON THIS PARCEL FRONTING ON THE AMENITY, WHICH IS DOWN TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF A, THE SCREEN.
UH, WE HAVE PARKING SPACES HERE.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF 29 ONSITE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED, AND THAT'S CALCULATED AT 12 SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT COMING OUT OF THE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE JONES ESTATE.
PUD THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING 27 OF THE PARKING SPOTS ON SITE.
I SHOULD MENTION THAT THEY'RE PERMEABLE PARKING SPACES.
THE, UH, THE MINIMUM, THE WHAT THEY, THEY ORIGINALLY CAME IN WITH TWO ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES SO THAT THEY WERE PROVIDING THEM ALL ON SITE.
WE ASKED THAT THEY REMOVE THESE TWO PARKING SPACES.
UH, THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO THE DECANT, WHICH IS PUBLIXS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OF THESE PARKING SPACES ALLOCATED SPECIFIC FOR CHIPOTLE TO MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE REASON WE HAD THEM REMOVE THIS WAS TO PROTECT THE BIG 52 INCH LIVE OAK THAT'S OVER HERE.
AND SO THEY, THEY FOLLOWED THROUGH, MADE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, BASED ON STAFF COMMENTS.
THERE IS OUTDOOR SEATING HERE.
I BELIEVE WE, WE HADN'T HAD THAT CONFIRMED, BUT IF IT IS OUTDOOR SEATING, IT WOULD, IT, IT WOULD BE CALCULATED INTO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE WOULD BE THREE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
SO BE ASKING FOR FIVE OFFSITE PARKING SPACES INSTEAD OF TWO.
UH, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD SITUATION HERE WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR DECLARANT PARKING OFFSITE BECAUSE LITERALLY THESE SPACES ARE CLOSE BUILDING EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OFF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I MENTIONED THAT IT WAS OUS PARKING THAT ONE WAY TRAFFIC FLOW, IF I UNDERSTAND THEIR BUSINESS MODEL CORRECTLY, THERE, THERE'S NO MENU BOARDS YOU DON'T ORDER.
ONCE YOU GET IN THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU PRE-ORDER, I'LL LET THEM ELABORATE ON THAT, BUT, BUT IT IS SIMPLY A LANE WHERE YOU'RE COMING THROUGH TO A WINDOW TO PICK UP AN ORDER THAT, THAT YOU ORDER OFFSITE.
UH, THE A, UM, I'VE MENTIONED EVERY, I'VE PARAPHRASED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ON THAT SLIDE.
UH, THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, SO YOU'LL SEE THIS AGAIN AS A COFA, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, SUBMITTAL, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, AND ARCHITECTURE WILL BE REVIEWED.
UM, STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED ON OCTOBER 8TH, UH, TO DEMONSTRATE CONFORMANCE WITH THE MAY RIVER CROSSING.
AND THE ITEM WAS REVIEWED AGAIN ON OCTOBER 22ND.
THEY ONLY HAD A, HAD A LAYOUT THAT DID NOT HAVE THE, THEY THEY HAD THEIR, THEIR DRIVE THROUGH WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING, THE BOTTOM SIDE OF IT SO THAT THE ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANE WAS BETWEEN THE
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BUILDING AND THE PARK AMENITY.WE SAID, THAT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE MASTER PLAN.
THEY DID SO, AND, UH, AND SO WE SAW IT AGAIN ON OCTOBER 22ND, CONFIRMED THAT IT CONFORMS TO THE MASTER PLAN.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND REVISED PLANS ON OCTOBER 23RD AND UPDATED SITE PLAN REFLECTING A MINOR CHANGE IN FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AND PATIO AREA WAS PROVIDED ON OCTOBER 31ST.
AND THAT'S THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UDO AND ASSESSING AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE RESPONSES WERE A PART OF THE, PART OF THE PACKET IN THE STAFF REPORT.
PLANNING COMMISSION CAN, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION SHOULD BE MET.
THAT IS ONE, THE ALLOCATION OF OFFSITE PARKING SPACES MUST BE PROVIDED IN A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE MAY RIVER CROSSING POA AT TIME OF FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL.
SO THAT ALLOWS THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SOME, SOME TIME BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACQUIRE THAT LETTER.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND, UM, I, AND, UH, I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO A, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ACTUALLY, CAN YOU BRING THAT MAP BACK UP? I DO WANT TO, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
UM, THIS IS PARCEL G SO IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO ONE 70, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEN THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE ANOTHER POSSIBILITY FOR THOSE FIVE PARKING SPACES.
THEY COULD BE DIAGONAL ACROSS MAY, RIVER CROSSING ROAD.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT AND, AND SO YES, THEY COULD.
IN FACT, UH, SO IF WE DO, MY THOUGHT IS IF WE DO THIS WITH THAT CONDITION, WE OUGHT TO STIPULATE THAT OR PROVIDE IT ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS ARIEL, I'M SORRY, THIS AERIAL DOES SHOW THAT THE ENTIRE PARCEL, UH, UM, THIS IS THE ROAD THAT RUNS THROUGH IT, WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR DESIGN IS ACTUALLY ON THIS HALF OF THE PARCEL, BUT THE PARCEL ITSELF AS IT'S, AS IT'S DEED RIGHT NOW IS, HAS FRONTAGE ON ONE 70.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, UM, COUPLE.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE THE, THE, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN LATER, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, DAN, IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THE LANDSCAPING? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FILLING UP, ESPECIALLY ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS DRAWING.
ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING? IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM? YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE IT.
THEY, THEY'VE GOT, THEY, THEY'VE GOT FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPING BUFFER HERE.
WHICH WE WERE OKAY WITH INSTEAD OF THE EIGHT, UH, BECAUSE WE DID ASK THEM TO FRONT ON THE BUILDING, THEY, THEY PROVIDE EIGHT ALONG ONE SIDE HERE.
THERE'S, THERE THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING PROVIDED AT THE ENDS OF EACH OF THE PARKING AISLES.
SO I, SO I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN WITH A, WITH A NICE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND ROOM FOR IT.
AND THE PARKING THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE BOTTOM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT USING SOME OF THOSE SPOTS.
WHAT IS THAT ALLOCATED TO RIGHT NOW? I, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S SPECIFIC TO ANYTHING BUT IT, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S ON STREET OFFSITE PARKING.
THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THERE.
ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PARK AMENITY HAS THE IDENTICAL PARKING IS PROVIDED WITH THE INITIAL LAYOUT.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY LETTERS FROM THE POA THAT ALLOCATE SPECIFIC PARKING SPACES TO ANYTHING.
SO NONE OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES ARE UTILIZING THOSE SPACES? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S IF ANYBODY, YEAH, THAT'S OUR, YEAH.
IF ANYBODY PARKS THERE NOW THEY'RE JUST PARKING THERE TO WALK IN THAT LITTLE PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, WHEN WE DID THAT PUDI DON'T THINK WE ADDRESSED ANY OF THE OUTLYING PARKING SPACES.
THEY HAVE TO ALTERNATIVES TOO
UM, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND THAT'S JUST THAT STAFF, UM, WORKS WITH THE APPLICANT AND ADDRESSES THIS.
I KNOW PARKING CURBS WERE BROUGHT UP ON THOSE SPACES THAT, UM, OR PARKING STOPS SPACES THAT FACE EACH OTHER.
DOES THAT FIT WHAT'S NEEDED? WE, WE, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE CURB HERE.
THE, THE ONLY SPOT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING PARKING STOPS RIGHT NOW IS IN FRONT OF THE HANDICAP.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT
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IT MAY CHANGE OUR MIND WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN NEEDS TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THERE ISN'T ANY HEDGES OR ANYTHING TOO CLOSE TO THE, TO THE BACK OF THE PARKING STALLS THAT WHERE THEY WOULD GET HIT AND BEAT UP.BUT OTHERWISE, UH, IF, IF, IF WE LOOK AT THE UDO, THE UDO, WHICH I HERE, BUT THE UDO UH, REQUIRES PARKING SPOTS IF PARKING STOPS IF YOU DON'T HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
AND IN THIS CASE, THEY DO HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
SO, SO DOES THEY FACED EACH OTHER BEFORE? THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, RIGHT? YOU SET 'EM.
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? HI, MY NAME'S GRIFFIN SAVAGE.
I'M THE ENGINEER WITH THOMPSON HUTTON.
UM, SO DAN, DAN
UM, AND IT'S MOSTLY JUST TO SAVE THAT 52 INCH LIVE OAK THAT'S THERE.
UM, OUR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL RIGHT NOW BASICALLY STIPULATES THAT WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR OF A CROSSING POA.
WE ARE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT THAT THE POA WILL BE SO FORTH OR AS TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THOSE SPOTS.
WE WERE JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT THAT THE MAYOR OF CROSSING POA DOES NOT ALLOW, DOES NOT ALLOCATE THOSE SPOTS TO CHIPOTLE.
IF PLANNING COMMISSION, IF TOWN STAFF WOULD APPROVE THE LAYOUT AS IS, UM, MR. WETMORE, I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED HAVING PARKING SPACES ACROSS THE STREET FROM MAYOR RIVER CROSSING, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY, JUST GIVEN THAT PARCEL G IS STILL, YOU KNOW, A PART OF WHERE CHIPOTLE IS PROPOSING THEIR, THEIR LAYOUT.
COULD THOSE SPACES BE PERVIOUS GRASPED AS THEY ARE NOW? IT WOULD SIMPLY BE A CURB CUT OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE CHIPOTLE AS IT IS NOW.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH WHAT STAFF'S COMFORTABLE WITH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I THINK, I THINK OUR PURVIEW AND OUR CONCERN, AND, AND PLEASE CHIME IN COMMISSIONERS, IS MORE THAT THE SPACES EXIST SOMEWHERE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PLENTY OF SPACES HERE.
IT'S GONNA BE ENOUGH, BUT WE'RE ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT PROJECT.
AND WHEN THE NEXT PROJECT COMES AND SAYS, YOU GAVE THEM AN EXCEPTION, THEN IT BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR US.
SO I THINK, I THINK OUR PURVIEW IS THE SPACES NEED TO EXIST.
IF STAFF SAYS THAT THEY CAN BE GRASS WITH, UM, EDGING OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN, THEN I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
WHAT, DAN WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, WE WOULD'VE TO, IT WOULDN'T BE OVERFLOW PARKING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING YEAH.
BUT, UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE POA IS FINE WITH.
ARE YOU, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IS THERE THIS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE POA? PUBLIX HAS NOT ALWAYS.
WE DON'T TO DEAL WITH A POSSIBILITY.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GIVING YOU AN OPTION TO, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD EVEN IF THEY SAY NO.
UM, BY DOING IT THIS WAY MM-HMM
UM, THE LOOK I'VE, I'VE DEALT IN, IN MY BUSINESS WORLD, I'VE DEALT WITH THAT PARTICULAR LANDLORD BEFORE AND OTHER PROJECTS, AND I KNOW IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY YOU ASK THEM.
SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU A SOLUTION AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU PROBABLY WOULD'VE MADE YOU DO IT ANYWAYS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THOSE TWO TREES AWAY FROM THE LIVE OAK
I DON'T THINK LYDIA WOULD'VE LET IT HAPPEN.
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REQUIRED VERSUS WHAT IS PROVIDED.
UM, AND JUST UNDERSTAND HOW MANY SPACES ARE IN EXCESS CAN THEN I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP YOU BECAUSE EACH INDIVIDUAL PARCEL HAS TO HAVE THEIR OWN ALLOCATED.
I I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND I, I APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK THERE ARE, IF ANYTHING, TOO MANY SPOTS IN THAT WHOLE THING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S, IT TRULY IS CONSISTENCY THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP HERE.
BUT SO SHOULD WE GET ESSENTIALLY A RESPONSE FROM THE POA THAT'S, THAT WILL NOT ALLOCATE US THESE THREE SPOTS ON SITE.
ESSENTIALLY WE SHOULD PLAN FOR THREE SPACES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAYOR RIVER, A CROSSING ROAD FIVE, BUT YEAH, NO, IS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION IS DEPEND ON WHAT THE MOTION IS.
IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING, IF THE PATIO IS OUTDOOR DINING, I THINK YOU YEAH, THAT WILL BE OUTDOOR DINING THAT IS, UH, LOCATED
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THERE ON THE PATIO AREA.BUT IT WOULDN'T BE MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR TABLES WE ANTICIPATE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, WOULD THAT WOULD INCLUDE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE FIVE SPACES VERSUS THE THREE? IT IS 12 SPACES PER 1000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT DOESN'T TAKE, I THINK I CALCULATED IT AND, AND HONESTLY I THINK THIS IS, I THINK THIS CAN BE, I THINK YOU CAN COME TO A POSITIVE RESOLUTION ON THIS.
THE ABSOLUTE WORST CASE IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF PARKING ACROSS THAT STREET.
AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM TELLING YOU.
NO, I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE'S, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER PARCEL THAT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED ON ACROSS THE STREET, NOT A PARK, THEN MAYBE I COULD SEE THEM SAYING NO, BUT IT'S EXISTING.
SO, AND CHARLIE, JUST TO ECHO YOUR POINT, I HAVE DEALT WITH THE LANDLORD, WHICH IS NOW PUBLIX MM-HMM
AND THEY CAN BE, UH, QUITE INDECISIVE MAYBE IS A WAY TO, TO PHRASE THAT.
AND, AND SO WE JUST DON'T WANNA RUN INTO WHERE WE HIT THE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, TO PERVIOUS PARKING.
IF THEY ARE, IF THEY DO DENY A REQUEST.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST ASKING THE COMMISSION TO, YOU KNOW, JUST THINK A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT MORE.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE, BUT PRACTICALLY THAT, I MEAN, THOSE 15 PARKING SPACES THERE WILL REALLY BE FOR CHIPOTLE'S UTILIZATION.
EVEN IF THERE'S FURTHER DENSITY, YOU KNOW, ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOBODY, THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE REALLY IN A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HERE.
AND IF THAT PARK IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW OFTEN IT'S UTILIZED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT I I, I WOULDN'T THINK VERY OFTEN.
UM, SO EVEN IF THAT THERE IS PEOPLE UTILIZING THAT PART DURING THE DAY, I, I DON'T SEE, UM, I HATE TO ASSUME, BUT THEM USING ALL 15 PARKING SPACES THERE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, BUT THERE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT LOCKED IN EITHER VIA AGREEMENT OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE JUST, IT'S THE WAY OUR CODE IS, UNFORTUNATELY.
DAN, WHAT HAPPENED? HAVEN'T WE HAD OTHER PROJECTS COME THROUGH THAT HAVE SIMILAR PARKING TO THIS? YES.
AND THEY GOT THE, THEY GOT THE, THEY GOT THE LETTER PERMISSION.
THEY'RE USING, UH, PARKING OFF OF THEIR SITE.
OR I GUESS MAYBE THEY'RE ALL IN FRONT OF THEM.
WE HAVE AN OLD TOWN OUS THE TOWN AND NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE.
IT WAS THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY SIMILAR.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE WENT IN, THE ROADS WENT IN, THE PARKING WENT IN, DIVIDED ON STREET PARKING AND UH, AS THE RESTAURANTS AND OTHER THINGS HAD COME PAST, OKAY, THESE SPACES ARE ALLOCATED AND, AND COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ON THIS, BUT I WOULD ALMOST BE, FIRST OF ALL THAT ADS OR THE SPOTS ACROSS THE STREET, BUT SAID IT GIVES STAFF SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT IF STAFF DETERMINES THAT THIS MEETS THE CRITERIA, EVEN WITHOUT THE LETTER THAT THEY, I JUST, I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT NEXT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE NEXT PROJECT WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT OR ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE TOWN.
ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN, SOMEONE'S GONNA ASK.
AND, AND WHEN THEY CAN, I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LAWYER WHO SAYS, OH YEAH, IN COURT CASE TWO YEARS AGO THEY DID THIS, SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR ME TOO.
SO, AND IF IT'S AN AREA WHERE IT'S PINCHED IN, THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
SO, SO NOT VERY OFTEN THAT YOU GUYS EVER GIVE A REDUCTION FROM THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE EVER HAVE.
'CAUSE THE OTHER, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO SHRINK THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU HAVE ROOM FOR THE PARKING SPACES.
BUT WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT TO WE, AND WE DON'T WANNA RISK THE, WE DON'T WANNA RISK THE TREE EITHER.
AND THAT, AND THAT MAY BE THE CONSIDERATION, AT LEAST FOR TWO OF THE FIVE, BUT RIGHT.
BUT, UM, I THINK IF WE GIVE STAFF FLEXIBILITY AT FINAL, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
DO YOU WANNA TAKE A STAB AT, UH, A MOTION? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
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I MOVE TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE CHIPOTLE AT MAY RIVER CROSSING PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT WE ARE DESIGNATING THE STAFF TO WORK THROUGH THE ALLOCATION OF OFFSITE PARKING SPACES TO BE PROVIDED BY A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM MAY RIVER CROSSING POA OR AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT STAFF IS SATISFIED WITH.ANY ITEMS OF DISCUSSION YOU THINK THAT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IF STAFF DETERMINES THEY CAN BE REDUCED? YEP.
ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? LET'S SEE WHO HAS, WHO WINS? WHO HAS 20? I THINK DAN HAS 28.
I MOVE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.