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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
ORDER THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF BUFORT COUNTY COUNCIL IF IT'S ONE O'CLOCK ON WHATEVER DATE THIS IS, UH, IT'S NOVEMBER 17TH.SO IF YOU WOULD ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND, UM, MS. OCTAVIA, WE HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA REQUIREMENTS.
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
THE AGENDA FOR THIS.[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 8TH.SO I'D LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 8TH.
THANK YOU GENTLEMEN AGAIN AND PRESUMING EVERYBODY READ IT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES? ALRIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
UM, AND THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SO THE MEMBERS ARE MYSELF, MR. BARTHOLOMEW, MR. CUNNINGHAM, MR. GLOVER, MR. LAWSON AND MRS. HOWARD.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
OKAY, WELL THEY CAN SIGN, THEY'LL SIGN UP FOR THE NEXT ONE, I'M SURE.
[7. AGENDA ITEMS]
SOME AGENDA ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF COUNCIL MEMBER ALICE HOWARD TO THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE BOARD TO FILL THE COUNTY COUNCIL SEAT.THERE'S NO FINANCIAL IMPACT, IT'S JUST, JUST REPRESENTING US ON THE BOARD.
WELL WE'RE ON A ROLL WITH THESE TWO.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE.
I JUST, CAN WE DISCUSS THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, ARE YOU SIGNING YOURSELF TO THE SCA EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BOARD? OKAY.
THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE I WAS JUST POINTING OUT TO MS. TABER THAT, UM, I'M ONE THAT'S YOU'RE STILL SCA BUT MY TERM EXPIRES THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE PLACING ME WITH YOURSELF.
NO, THIS IS JUST EXECUTIVE BOARD COMMITTEE.
SO I, SO THE CORRECTION WOULD BE, THE MOTION IS APPOINTMENT OF COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS HOWARD TO THE SOUTHERN CAROLINA ALLIANCE EXECUTIVE BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SHE DEFINITELY NEEDS BE ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SO YOU WANT US APPROVE THAT MOTION AGAIN, MR. CUNNINGHAM? I WILL APPROVE UPDATING THAT MOTION.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING TO THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF SCA ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE'RE GONNA DO WE NEED TO HAVE A RECUSAL FROM HER FOR THIS SINCE THE VOTE IS ABOUT HER.
WELL SHE'S NOT A VOTING MEMBER SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I'M NOT, SHE'S JUST, SHE'S NOT A PROBLEM.
SHE'S LIKE PERSONA NON GRATA WHEN IT COMES TO VOTES.
APPOINTMENT OF CHRISTINA JACKSON TO THE LOW COUNTRY WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR A PARTIAL TERM WITH THE EXPIRATION DATE OF JUNE, 2026.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTION? THAT'S ON PAGE SIX IN OUR PACKET.
ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS APPOINTMENT.
REAPPOINTMENT OF WENDY ZARA TO THE BEAUFORT JASPER HOUSING TRUST BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR A THREE YEAR TERM WITH THE EXPIRATION DATE OF JANUARY, 2029.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? SHE'S CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE HOUSING TRUST BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND LOOKING FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
ANY INFORMATION'S IN OUR PACKET? ALL RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS APPOINTMENT, REAPPOINTMENT.
AND NOW WE COME TO NU LETTER D, A RESOLUTION, REPEALING AND REPLACING COUNCIL'S RULES AND PROCEDURES.
SO THIS IS PAGE EIGHT IN OUR PACKET FOR THOSE FOLLOWING ALONG.
THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME REVIEWING THIS AS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CHANGES.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
SO EVERYBODY ON LINE AND EVERYBODY UP HERE, WE'VE CHANGED THINGS.
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WE ARE NOW IN LINE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA COUNTY'S MODEL, RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND ROBERT'S RULES OF BOARD.MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THESE, IF YOU GO TO PAGE NINE, WE ARE, THEY WERE AMENDED DECEMBER, 2023.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RED LINE VERSION.
SO THE FIRST THING, I'M SORRY, I HAVE IT UP FOR YOU.
I'M LOOKING AT MY, THAT'S OKAY.
THERE IT IS FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
UM, I'M ONLY GONNA HIGHLIGHT REALLY THE BIG CHANGES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 13, ASHLEY, YEAH, YOU SEE ALL THESE RED LINES.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS SUCCINCT AND EASY ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THROUGH THE PREAMBLE'S GONE, WE HAVE THE ETHICAL PRINCIPLES.
COUNTY COUNCIL VALUES, YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THOSE.
AND THEN I'M GOING TO SKIP DOWN TO PAGE 19 IN YOUR PACKET, GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS, WE ARE NOT HAVING CHAIR MAN ANYMORE.
SO THAT ALLOWS FOR CHAIRWOMEN, CHAIRMEN, CHAIR, WHEREVER.
SO YOU'LL SEE ALL THE RED LINES FOR THAT.
AND IT SIMPLY REITERATES OUR NOMINATION POLICY AND HOW THEY'RE VOTED IN.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING MAJOR ON, ON THAT.
PAGE 20 RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
SO PARLIAMENTARIAN, YOU CAN SEE IT UP THERE.
IT SAYS THE CHAIR SHALL APPOINT ONE MEMBER OF COUNCIL TO SERVE AT PARLIAMENTARIAN.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE MR. BARTHOLOMEW IS OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN.
AND UNDER THE ADMINISTRATOR HERE, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO TO LINE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
IT SAYS, THE ADMINISTRATOR SHALL BE EMPLOYED WITH REGARD TO EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE QUALIFICATIONS ONLY AND NEED NOT BE A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY AT THE TIME OF SIGNING THE CONTRACT WITH COUNSEL.
BUT MUST BE A RESIDENT WITHIN TWO MONTHS OF THAT TIME.
THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT IN HERE.
BUT WE DO REQUIRE OUR ADMINISTRATOR TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME TO COME.
AND THE TERM OF EMPLOYMENT SHALL BE AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL.
ALL THE REST OF THAT BASICALLY WAS THERE.
AND THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, POWERS AND DUTIES.
CAN I MAKE A POINT RIGHT THERE? YES.
YOU'RE IN PARAGRAPH E UNDER THE ADMINISTRATOR AND YOU JUMPED RIGHT TO PARAGRAPH A.
THAT JUST SEEMS AWKWARD TO GO FROM E TO A, UM, IN ORGANIZATION OF THE PARAGRAPH.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO CLEAN THAT UP.
YOU HEAR, HE'S TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THIS IS JUST A RED LINE VERSION.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SAY THIS.
I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS 20 TIMES.
YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING, THE MORE YOU DON'T SEE.
THAT'S WHY WE ASK EVERYBODY TO PUT EYES ON.
BUT SHE WILL, UM, THEY WILL CLEAN THIS UP.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
ANYTHING WE TALK ABOUT, ASHLEY'S TAKING NOTES AS WE GO.
ON THE NEXT PAGE, WE LIST WITH A POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE ADMINISTRATOR.
THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE DOES.
AND ON B, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHALL BE EVALUATED ANNUALLY BY THE MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL.
WE JUST DID THAT IN AUGUST, IF YOU ALL RECALL.
AND THAT'S A POSITIVE STEP TO GIVE MR. MOORE FEEDBACK AND FOR HIM TO GIVE US FEEDBACK AND TO SET GOALS FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
C IS AUTHORITY OVER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
LETTER D I'M GONNA STRESS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AGAIN, EXCEPT FOR THE PURPOSES.
OFFICIAL COUNSEL, INQUIRIES AND INVESTIGATIONS COUNSEL SHALL NOT DEAL WITH COUNTY OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THE SUPERVISION OF THE ADMINISTRATOR.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T GO DIRECTLY TO MS. ANTONACCI TO DIRECT HER TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT WORD, SOLELY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR CONTRADICTS THAT.
EXCEPT FOR THE PURPOSE OF OFFICIAL COUNSEL INCREASES.
SO IT SHOULD JUST END AT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YEAH, YOU GOT THAT ANSWER? YEP, I DID.
AND YOU, YOU JUST SAY FOR THE REST OF THAT, YOU JUST INSERT THE WORD.
COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL DEAL WITH THE DEAL SOLELY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR.
BUT THAT'S TO REITERATE THAT NO COUNCIL PERSON SHOULD DIRECT AN EMPLOYEE.
I HATE TO BE A HUH? YOU GO FROM D TO F, WHICH SHOULD BE E.
THEN IN THAT PARAGRAPH, ABSENCE
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OR DISABILITY MM-HMMWOULD YOU WANT TO CONSIDER DEFINING WHAT EXTENDED ABSENCE IS? I GIVE AN EXAMPLE THAT HE'LL, HE GOES ON VACATION FOR THREE DAYS OR A WEEK.
HE'LL, HE WILL APPOINT SOMEONE TO TAKE HIS PLACE WHILE HE IS GONE.
BUT HERE YOU'RE SAYING THE COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT, APPOINT SOMEONE.
SO WE JUST NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THE EXTENDED ABSENCE IS.
THAT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT ONE? YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THERE.
I MEAN, GENERALLY WHEN HE, WHEN THE ADMINISTRATOR'S GONE, HE APPOINTS SOMEBODY TO SIT IN HIS STEAD.
HOW MANY VACATION DAYS ARE IN HIS CONTRACT? IT'S 40 HOURS PER QUARTER.
AND THEN PER DIEM, I MEAN NOT PER DIEM, BUT TRAVEL AS WELL FOR CONFERENCES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE HE'LL BE AWAY, HE'LL BE AWAY.
UM, I MEAN IF IT'S A SHORT TERM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM DOING IT.
BUT IF HE'S GONE FOR A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS FOR WHATEVER THE REASON MIGHT BE, LET'S SAY IT'S NOT VACATION, BUT FAMILY MEDICAL, WHATEVER IT COULD BE THAT COULD GO ON FOR MONTHS.
SO WHERE'S THAT THRESHOLD WHERE THAT NUMBER STARTS? THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE NEED TO SAY, DO WE AGREE WITH THE PERSON THAT MR. MOORE SAYS TO POINT TO THAT? OR SHOULD WE DISCUSS SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF THIS COULD GO ON FOR MONTHS? THAT'S THE GUIDANCE.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATOR.
I'LL SAY SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE DID COME FROM MR. DELO, YOU VERIFIED HIM.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS THAT TWO WEEK MARK, 14 DAYS THAT COUNT.
14 CALENDAR DAYS, THEN NOT BUSINESS DAYS.
UH, MAY I COMMENT? UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, UM, I THINK, UM, ABSENCE, VACATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA IS ONE THING.
AND I WOULD WEIGH IN MORE ON DISABILITY FOR COUNCIL TO STEP IN.
BUT JUST IN THE MERE ABSENCE, I DON'T THINK THE ADMINISTRATOR WOULD GO, UM, BEYOND A MONTH OR SO ON ABSENCE.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT IS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT DISABILITY ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
JUST A REMINDER BUDDY, EVERYBODY BEGINNING THE 1ST OF DECEMBER, THERE'LL BE A DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR IN PLACE, RIGHT? YES.
I WOULD THINK THAT'S WHO HE'D BE APPOINTING.
I, WELL THIS SAYS COUNSEL SHALL DESIGNATE.
SO COUNSEL WOULD NORMALLY DESIGNATE THE DEPUTY THEN I WOULD ASSUME.
I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR CLARIFICATION IS WHEN DO YOU STEP IN TO HAVE COUNSEL MAKE THAT DECISION AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING THAT TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO ASSIGN WHO'S GONNA REPLACE IT? LET'S SAY HE AND THE DEPUTY ARE BOTH GOING TO A CONFERENCE.
SOMEONE STILL HAS TO BE HERE RUNNING THE SHOW.
AND CAN THE ADMINISTRATOR APPOINT THAT PERSON? OR WHEN DOES HE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR A DECISION? 'CAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR A DECISION TO CALL MEETING, OBVIOUSLY.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.
I THINK AFTER A TWO WEEK MARK, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS MEDICALLY FAMILY AND HE'S GONE FOR TWO WEEKS, THAT COUNT AND LET'S SAY IT IS A DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR EVERY TIME, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD, THAT GIVES US THE CAVEAT TO ACTUALLY WEIGH IN ON IT.
IF HE'S OUTTA TOWN FOR A CONFERENCE FOR FIVE DAYS AND HE APPOINTS SOMEBODY ELSE, PINKY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA THAT TWO WEEK, THE TWO WEEK STATUS, THEN YEAH.
WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OR IT IS THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR JUST TO REEVALUATE.
'CAUSE WHAT IF IT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT HIM OUT OF LEAVE OR, AND HIM AND THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, I MEAN OUR TRACK RECORD'S.
SO NOTHING AGAINST YOU MR. MOORE.
I'M JUST SPEAKING OF THE THINGS WE'VE DEALT WITH.
SO THAT AT LEAST GIVES US THE OPTION AT THAT POINT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE COULD LET IT GO AS IT IS AND CORRECT.
KNOWING WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.
WE CAN THEN APPOINT RIGHT AFTER 30 DAYS OR AFTER SIX WEEKS.
SO FOR YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER SAYING AN EXTENDED SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING OVER 14 DAYS.
OR YOU MAY ALSO WANT CONSIDER IF HE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO REPLACEMENTS BECAUSE IT WAS IN CIRCUMSTANCES, EITHER LET'S SAY IT WAS AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING.
LET'S SAY HE HAD A STROKE, THE HOSPITAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF, IF THE NOT ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEONE, THEN IT SHOULD BE UP TO COUNSEL IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
EVERYBODY AGREE TO THAT? NO, I DON'T.
I DON'T, I SERIOUSLY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK, UM, 14 DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH TIME.
A LOT OF TIME WE MEET EVERY 14 DAYS.
THAT MEAN WE GONNA HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING JUST TO DEAL WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR.
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I THINK HE CAN HANDLE THAT.UM, 30 DAYS OR DISABILITY, UH, WITH THE STROKE COMES IN.
I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD RESPOND TO THAT.
BUT UM, 30 DAYS IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY YOU COULD DO THIS.
YOU COULD SAY DURING AN EXTENDED ABSENCE DUE TO ILLNESS OR DISABILITY.
WHY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE COUNSEL WEIGH IN BECAUSE IT'S AN EXTENDED ABSENCE.
GOING ON A CONFERENCE, GOING ON VACATION, YOU AUTOMATICALLY KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS.
BUT IF IT'S AN ILLNESS OR A DISABILITY THAT OCCURS, NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE? I AM.
THAT JUST TELLS YOU, MR. MOORE, YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HAPPEN TO YOU.
I WASN'T GONNA PUT AN ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF ANYTHING ON THERE FOR YOU, MR. MORA.
I WAS JUST SAYING IF SOMETHING HAPPENED.
SO DURING THE EXTENT I ABSENCE DUE TO ILLNESS OR DISABILITY YEAH.
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, WE'RE STILL IT.
AS THE COUNCIL SHALL DESIGNATE ANOTHER PERSON.
THE G, WHICH IS REALLY NOT G BUT IT IS G IN THE DOCUMENT IS NEW THAT CENSURE, WE DO NOT HAVE THIS, THIS IS A MEANS OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION, UH, TO A COUNCIL MEMBER.
AND IT'S PRETTY WELL SELF EXPLAINED.
AND I KNOW OUR CLERK OF COUNCILS FOUND FROM OTHER COUNCILS WHAT THEY PUT IN.
SO THIS IS LANGUAGE FROM THERE.
IT'S A, IT TELLS YOU HOW IT CAN BE MADE MOTION TO, UM, THAT A MEMBER APOLOGIZE OR YOU CAN CSU THE MEMBER OR THE MEMBER LEAVE THE CHAMBER DURING DISCUSSION.
CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE HERE SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY CENSURE WHEN HE, WHEN THE MEMBER IS OUT OF ORDER AT A MEETING.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR CENSURE IF THERE'S MISCONDUCT OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE, UM, ONLY AFTER A MEMBER HAS BEEN RULED OUT OF ORDER AND BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN NOTED ON THE RECORD IS THE ONLY TIME YOU DO A CENSURE BASED ON THIS LANGUAGE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S HOW LIMITED YOU WANT THE CENSURE TO BE.
MM, I'M NOT, I THINK OUR INTENT WAS A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT.
WELL, IT SAYS RULED OUT OF ORDER AND THE BEHAVIOR THAT SAYS IT THERE.
BUT BUT THAT'S DUE TO THEIR CONDUCT AT THAT MEETING.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THAT? DOES IT REALLY SAY THAT THERE? YEP.
IT SAYS THE CHAIR OR COUNCIL MEMBER CAN MAKE A MOTION TO PENALIZE ANOTHER MEMBER, INCLUDING THE CHAIR ONLY AFTER THAT MEMBER HAS BEEN RULED OUT OF ORDER AND BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN NOTED IN THE RECORD.
RIGHT? SO YOU ONLY RULE SOMEONE OUT OF ORDER WHEN THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE OR DISRUPTING THE MEETING.
RIGHT? AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE TIMES WHERE WE SAID YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER OR WHATEVER, AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD GO TO SENSOR.
AND I GIVE THE EXAMPLE THAT, ALRIGHT, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, YOU DETERMINE THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS COMMITTED A MISCONDUCT OTHERWISE IE LET'S SAY THEY'RE LEAKING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
DO YOU WANT THE ABILITY TO CENSOR THEM OR NOT? THIS DOESN'T GIVE YOU THAT AUTHORITY.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
THAT IS NOT WHAT OTHER COUNCILS DO.
I WOULD LOVE LANGUAGE TO THAT EFFECT.
EVERYONE SIGNED A NON-DISCLOSURE.
SO IF YOU BREAK EXECUTIVE SESSION OR BEHAVIOR ON BECOMING OKAY, WHATEVER YOU WANT THAT TO BE, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CONSENSUS.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME MEMBERS MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION.
WELL, LET'S ALL WEIGH IN THEN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT CONDUCT OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING THAT WOULD RA RAISE TO THE LEVEL OF ESSENTIAL.
OR YOU JUST TAKE OUT THE LANGUAGE ONLY AFTER THAT MEMBER'S BEEN RULED OUT OF ORDER.
I WOULD JUST LOVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN WE'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT USING THIS.
WELL, THE ONE WE JUST SAID WOULD BE IF YOU RE BREACH EXECUTIVE SESSION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRACKING THAT DOWN AND GOING DOWN THAT WHOLE PATH AND THE RABBIT HOLE OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE LIKE, YOU GUYS KNOW HOW CLOSE I KEEP WITH MY INFORMATION FOR A REASON.
IT'S NOTHING AGAINST ANYBODY HERE, BUT THAT'S WHY I DO IT.
SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BODY IS GONNA PUNISH ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL WHEN WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IT'S NOT A PUNISH, IT'S UM, BASICALLY IT'S LITERALLY
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SAYS PENALIZE.I MEAN THIS IS LANGUAGE FROM ANOTHER ONE, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC CENSURE OF THAT PERSON'S.
HOW NOT ALLOW THEM ONTO THE COMMITTEE, NOT ALLOW THEM ON TO VOTE, NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE IN THE PUBLIC.
WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU LITERALLY JUST SAY THAT, ALRIGHT, YOU'RE CENSORED, THEY'RE CENSORED AND THAT'S IT MEANS THAT'S IT.
SO KEEPING THIS IN HERE, IT GENUINELY MEANS NOTHING.
IT'S JUST PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THEY'VE BEEN FOUND.
IT'S THE SAME AS CONGRESS DOES, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S A PUBLIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
BEHAVIORS UNACCEPTABLE TO THE REST OF COUNCIL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD REWORD IT THAT WAY.
SO IF YOU WANT IT BROADER, THEN WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TAKE OUT THE WORDS ONLY AFTER THAT MEMBER HAS BEEN RULED OUT OF ORDER.
OR IT COULD SAY ONLY AFTER THE BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN NOTED IN THE RECORD.
THAT'D BE A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT.
AND DOES IT HAVE TEETH TO IT? NO.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OPINE ON THAT? UM, DO YOU NEED THE WORD POSITIVE AND THE MOTION MUST RECEIVE A POSITIVE MAJORITY? NO, YOU JUST MAJORITY YOU TO SAY MAJORITY.
AND DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A MAJORITY OR A SUPER MAJORITY? I PREFER SUPER MAJORITY BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THIS COUNCIL WOULD'VE TRIED TO CENSOR ME THREE YEARS AGO.
SO I MEAN, LET'S JUST HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
SUPER MAJORITY WOULD BE TWO THIRDS VOTE COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
AND AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE LET'S SAY THE COUNCIL MEMBER OR A COUNCIL MEETING WITH ONLY SIX MEMBERS.
ALRIGHT, SO THREE OR FOUR MEMBERS.
WELL, EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE FOUR MEMBERS THERE.
BUT IF THERE'S EIGHT, DO YOU WANT THREE FOURTHS OR TWO THIRDS, UH, OUT OF IT? OR DO YOU WANT A, UH, SUPER MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AS OPPOSED TO, UH, NOT HAVING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL THERE? JUST THINK, THINK ABOUT I, I PREFER SIX, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, HOWEVER, HOWEVER YOU PHRASE IT AND STUFF.
BUT PREFER, SO RATHER THAN JUST SAYING MAJORITY, A MINIMUM IS SIX VOTES.
YEAH, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SANCTIONING, UM, OR EVEN COMING UP, UM, MR. CUNNINGHAM, BUT OH, I PROMISE IT DID.
ANYBODY ELSE? I I I GUESS THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION.
IF SOMEONE HAD COMMITTED A CRIME AND, BUT IT WAS NOT OF A MAGNITUDE TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE, I GUESS, I GUESS YOU COULD USE THIS AS A WAY TO, UM, BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND I DON'T MEAN A LIKE A SPEEDING TICKET.
I MEAN LIKE A CRIME, YOU KNOW.
HE WOULD'VE TO BE A CRIME OF MORALITY.
AND THEN THE GOVERNOR COULD REMOVE SOMEONE FROM OFFICE IF YOU FOUND THE THAT'S D THAT'S YEAH.
SO FOR CEN, WE'RE SEEING A SIMPLE MAJORITY, MAJORITY SIX MEMBERS.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE BOARD.
YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO PUT THERE FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO COUNCIL.
THIS FULL COUNCIL NEEDS TO, UH, MAKE THIS DECISION.
THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL IS SIX.
IT'S GONNA BE SIX NO MATTER WHAT.
WELL, LOGAN WANTS A SUPER MAJORITY, RIGHT? SO IT'S EITHER SIX OR EIGHT.
WELL, 11 WOULD BE A, UH, UNANIMOUS.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PERSON BEING C TO APPROVE THEIR OWN CENSURE.
THAT'S, OH, WELL THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
DO WE WANNA CHANGE THAT TO SUPER MAJORITY? I'M GOOD WITH MAJORITY.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUPER MAJORITY.
WHY? LET'S HEAR A, A THOUGHT ON IT.
WELL, JUST BECAUSE IT IS A ACTION AGAINST AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
SO IF WE JUST, I KNOW, I KNOW IT DOESN'T QUOTE MEAN ANYTHING, BUT IT DOES MEAN SOMETHING.
UH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU ALICE.
I MEAN, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TO ADD SOMETHING TO AN AGENDA THE DAY OF THE AGENDA THEN IT WOULD BE TO CENSOR ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS IF WE DIDN'T DO SUPER MAJORITY.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? ALRIGHT.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO USE IT.
WELL, JUST ONE MORE POINT OF CLARIFICATION NOW.
IS IT A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS
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PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING? THERE YOU GO.I THINK IT SHOULD BE OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT AT THAT.
AND IT HAS TO BE A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING OR A COMMITTEE MEETING.
OR SHOULD BE MEETING COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IT'S GOTTA BE A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE CENTERING THE MEMBERS MEETING.
SO THE SUPER MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRESENT AT THAT COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.
ASHLEY, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? MM-HMM
CLERK TO COUNCIL IS THE SAME AS IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBERS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY ATTEND COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL MEETINGS VIRTUALLY UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, ILLNESS OR TRAVEL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY.
I'M SORRY, HAVE YOU LEFT THAT SECTION? UM, PARAGRAPH G 'CAUSE I HAD ONE QUESTION IN, UH, THREE SUBPARAGRAPH.
YOU SAY A MOTION THAT THE MEMBER LEAVE THE CHAMBER DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, BECAUSE WE ALLOW ATTENDANCE REMOTELY, VIRTUALLY, DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY OR THEY CAN'T ATTEND THE MEETING? THEY CAN WATCH BUT NOT ATTEND? WE DIDN'T MAKE A PROVISION FOR THAT.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE CHANGING TO SAY YOU CAN ATTEND VIRTUALLY FOR ILLNESS OR TRAVEL, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANNA DRIVE IT.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU VOTED TO REMOVE THE MEMBER FROM THE MEETING IN THE CHAMBER, BUT NOT FROM THE MEETING IN, IN ITS ENTIRETY IS THE POINT I'M MAKING.
SO THEY COULD GO INTO THE NEXT ROOM, TURN ON THE COMPUTER AND REMOTE IN, AND THEN CAN THEY STILL PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING AND DISCUSSIONS OR CAN THEY NO LONGER PARTICIPATE? WELL THEN YOU'RE, YOU ARE INTERFERING WITH AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, UM, DULY ELECTED OFFICIAL.
WELL, YOU'RE DOING THAT BY VOTING THEM OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
AND THAT, THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC TO BEGIN WITH.
I JUST WANTED CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT THE CLERK ACCOUNTS CAN THEN ALLOW THEM TO REMOTE INTO THE MEETING.
IF THEY'RE REMOTE IN, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE DO ALLOW FOR VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE? WELL, TO ME, THE MOTION THAT THE MEMBER LEAVES THE CHAMBER DURING THE REMAINDER SAYS THEY'RE NOT TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING.
THAT THAT'S THE IMPLICATION I TAKE.
AND AGAIN, WE GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER COUNTY.
SO IF WE NEED CLARIFICATION, LET'S PUT IT IN.
I WOULD JUST PUT THE LANGUAGE AND NOT PARTICIPATE FURTHER DURING THE RANGE OF THE MEETING, IF THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT COUNSEL IS.
ANY MORE CONVERSATION ON THAT ON SINCE YOU I HAVE QUESTION.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UH, YEAH.
QUESTION ABOUT THE REASONS FOR NOT ATTENDING, UH, IN PERSON ARE SIMPLY, UH, RELATED TO TWO AREAS.
ONE IS ILLNESS AND WHAT'S THE OTHER? TRAVEL.
SO THAT THE PERMISSIONS THAT WERE GRANTED PREVIOUSLY ARE BEING RESCINDED ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WISH TO BE THERE IN PERSON.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A DOCTOR'S NOTE? NO, WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD.
SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE SAYING THAT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO REASONS THAT YOU CAN'T ATTEND REMOTELY IN 20 25, 26, 26.
WELL, SO THIS ISN'T STARTING UNTIL JANUARY.
WELL, SO IT'S, SO WHY YOU'RE SAYING, UH, IN, IN A TIME OF TECHNOLOGY AND THE ABILITY TO DO THIS, WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING PEOPLE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE AS TO THEIR INABILITY TO ATTEND IF THEY WISH TO ATTEND REMOTELY AND THEY'RE NOT SICK AND THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING, BUT THEY'RE SOMEWHAT INCONVENIENCED IN ANOTHER WAY, ISN'T IT? BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNOR'S POLICY OR SOMETHING? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE EXPECTING OUR EMPLOYEES TO NOT DO REMOTE ALL THE TIME.
AND SO I THINK WE SET AN EXAMPLE AND I THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT US TO BE THERE.
SO I HAVEN'T BEEN HIRED AS A REMOTE WORKER, SO I DON'T FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HIRED AS A REMOTE WORKER, SO I'M NOT A PERSON WHO IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE OPERATING REMOTELY.
BUT IF THERE'S A REASON OTHER THAN ILLNESS OR TRAVEL, ARE YOU SAYING THAT
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I MUST ATTEND THE MEETING AND IF I DON'T, I CAN'T REPRESENT MY CONSTITUENTS? THAT'S THE PROPOSAL ON THE FLOOR.WELL, I OBJECT TO THE, THE LIMITING OF PEOPLE TO COME.
THAT SHOULD JUST BE A DECISION FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
IF THERE'S A REASON THEY CAN'T COME, I'M NOT EVEN SURE THEY HAVE TO ANNOUNCE IT.
AS AN INDEPENDENT ELECTED OFFICIAL AND A GROUP OF EQUALS, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS A FIRST AMONG EQUALS WHO CAN SAY YOU HAVE TO COME.
WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO ARE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
AND IF A MEETING IS CALLED THAT THEY CANNOT ATTEND IN PERSON BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT REMOTELY, WE'RE DENYING THEM THAT ABILITY.
I, I THINK THIS IS A REMARKABLE INTRUSION ON A PERSON'S FREEDOM TO DO AS THEY LIKE, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE AND NOT UNDER THE CONTROL OF ANYBODY WHO IS PART OF THIS DELIBERATIVE BODY.
ANYBODY ELSE WEIGH IN? I'LL JUST SECOND THOSE TWO COMMENTS.
UH, SAME THING THAT, UH, WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AS POSSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S IN PERSON OR WHETHER IT'S ONLINE.
RIGHT? UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAS A FULL-TIME JOB, BUT I STILL MAKE IT TO ALMOST EVERY MEETING.
UM, THERE'S VERY FEW TIMES THAT I'M, I'M ONLINE THAT DOES HAPPEN.
UM, SO WHETHER, WHETHER I HAVE AN EXCUSE OR NOT, I THINK THAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO ATTEND.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND OTHER MEETINGS WE'VE HAD IS THAT WE CAN HAVE ALICE ONLINE, WE CAN HAVE LARRY ONLINE AND PARTICIPATE AND GIVE THEIR OPINION WITHOUT, UM, IF IF THEY, THEY WEREN'T SICK OR WEREN'T TRAVELING, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TO BE ON HERE.
SO, UM, YEAH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I AGREE.
AND, UM, YOU REALLY, UM, ASKING ME TO LIE AT TIMES AND I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
ASKING HIM TO DO WHAT LIVE AT TIMES.
I MEAN, THE BIGGEST THING IS THIS THOUGH.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE SHOWING UP AND VIRTUAL AND ONLY DOING VIRTUAL OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
AND, AND I COULD SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
I REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, I FOUGHT AGAINST US BEING ABLE TO HAVE NUMBERS OF HOW MANY TIMES WE WERE ALLOWED TO BE VIRTUAL FOR COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
UM, I STILL WOULD GO BACK TO THAT AGAIN, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, UNLESS THERE IS OTHER OPTIONS.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE STILL HAVE TO GET VOTED IN.
SO IF WE'RE VIRTUAL ALL THE TIME, I GUARANTEE YOU SOMEBODY'S GONNA RUN A CAMPAIGN AGAINST US AND THEY SHOULD.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S ABUSING THIS PRIVILEGE THIS POINT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS, I THINK EVERYBODY'S VERY REASONABLE ABOUT IT.
BUT THAT THERE ARE OCCASIONS THAT, UH, YOU JUST ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING OUT OF THE CITY OR HAVING A ROOT CANAL.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE THAT INTERFERE WITH THESE THINGS.
AND THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS, UH, STARTED THIS, I WAS TOLD IT WAS TWO MEETINGS A MONTH AND A COUPLE OF COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
WELL, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T TURN OUT TO BE THAT WAY.
AND THERE ARE GONNA BE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO PARTICIPATE AND REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND FOR SOMEONE TO DECIDE THAT THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER YOU AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN REPRESENT YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHEN THE ABILITY TO DO SO IS PROVIDED THROUGH TECHNOLOGY IS SIMPLY JUST WRONG.
WELL, I HEAR THE CONSENSUS IS TO REMOVE THAT.
IT'S A CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
I, UH, THINK WE SHOULD, UH, PUT A PERIOD AFTERWARD.
VIRTUALLY THE, THE MAJOR CONCERN WE HAVE IS WHEN YOU ARE PARTICIPATING, UH, ONLINE, THE VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY SO THAT YOU CAN BE HEARD AND WE CAN HEAR AND SEE YOU, UH, THAT THAT'S ANO THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION NOW FOR SEVEN YEARS.
THERE'S A FAILURE IN THAT REGARD TO PROVIDE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE FULLY ON OCCASION.
AND I GUESS WHERE THERE IS TECHNOLOGY, THERE'LL ALWAYS BE A GREM IN WORKS.
YOU HAVE THAT ASHLEY? YES, MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO WORKSHOP SESSIONS.
UM, AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE CHAIR OR A COMMITTEE CHAIR MAY CALL A WORKSHOP, WORKSHOP SESSION.
AND THE PARAMETERS IN THERE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WITHIN FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING, THAT WOULD BE A COMMON COURTESY.
AND THEN ON THREE IN THE BOTTOM, NO VOTE ON ANY SUBJECT SHALL BE TAKEN.
EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE CROSSED THAT OFF.
AND YOU'LL SEE IT'S BEEN REPLACED FROM SCAC.
I BELIEVE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BODY PARTICIPATING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ARE EXPECTED TO KEEP THE DELIBERATIONS CONFIDENTIAL AND MAY FACE ETHICAL VIOLATIONS FOR BREACHES OF CONFIDENTIALITY.
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SO EVERYTHING READ WAS ADDED.AND THAT'S FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA RULES.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T TAKE A VOTE.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
ARE YOU IN PARAGRAPH ONE THERE? WHAT'S PARAGRAPH ONE? LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PART PARTICIPATING IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR EXPECT TO KEEP THE DELIBERATIONS CONFIDENTIAL AND MAY FACE, YOU SAY, ETHICAL VIOLATIONS FOR BREACH OF CONFIDENTIALITY IN SECOND SESSION.
YOU MAY WANT TO ADD THE WORDS FOR CENSURE.
UH, WE CAN DO THAT SINCE WE JUST VOTED ON THAT.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT RATHER.
AND CAN I MAKE A FEW SUGGESTIONS UNDER B WORKSHOP? NO.
UNDER PARAGRAPH TWO, THAT LAST WORD CHANGE THE WORD MEETING TO WORKSHOP.
UH, WHERE ARE WE? WORKSHOP SESSIONS, PARAGRAPH TWO, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN IN PARAGRAPH THREE, UNDER THE, UH, SECOND TO LAST LINE THERE WHERE IT SAYS UNDUE TIME FROM REGULAR MEETINGS, I WOULD RECOMMEND SAYING TAKE EXCESS TIME DURING A REGULAR MEETING.
AND THEN YOU MAY WANT TO ADD A SENTENCE AT THE END OF PARAGRAPH FOUR THAT SAYS A FORM OF COUNSEL OR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS MUST BE PRESENT TO CONDUCT A WORKSHOP.
YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT IN THERE FOR SURE.
JARED, YOU'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN CHAT GBT LATER, RIGHT? WELL, HE'S ALL TEACHING US A AI.
I PRESUME YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, MR. HALBERT? NO, SIR.
DECORUM, THAT'S JUST BASICALLY WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
AND IT SHOULD SAY IN THE THIRD LINE, SHALL CONFINE HIM SLASH HERSELF TO THE QUESTION UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SORRY, THERE'S TWO GENDERS HERE ADDRESSING THE CHAIR.
SO WE JUST PUT THAT'S RIGHT OUT OF, UH, ROBERT'S RULES PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED IT TO 30 MINUTES, SO THAT HAD TO BE CHANGED.
UH, AND OF COURSE ON C YOU MAY EXTEND THE COMMENT PERIOD WITH A MOTION AND A VOTE.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT IN PARAGRAPH D? WHICH ONE? THE NEXT PARAGRAPH? YEP.
I WOULD RECOMMEND DELETING THE WORDS IN NO WAY IS INTENDED TO BE AND JUST INSERT IS NOT.
SO THE RULE IS NOT APPLICABLE TO AND DELETE THE WORDS OR IN ANY MANNER, IN OTHER WORDS.
SO IT SHOULD READ THE RULE IS NOT APPLICABLE TO AND DOES NOT RESTRICT THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING SEGMENT OF COUNSEL'S CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE.
WE SHOULD NOT BE RESPONDING TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN YOU GO ON, UH, NOW I'M ON PAGE 29 IN THE PACKET, WHICH IS 21 UP THERE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE ALL THIS CAME FROM.
CAN I MAKE A POINT THERE? HMM.
I THINK YOU SHOULD PRIORITIZE WHICH ONE TAKES PRECEDENCE.
ROBERT'S RULES OR SC IT'S, IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY.
SOUTH CAROLINA FIRST, THEN ROBERT'S RULES ON THE BOTTOM.
THE, UH, SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION ACCOUNTS OR COUNTIES.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ROBERT'S RULES ON THE BOTTOM.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE 30 ON THE PACKET? THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD WHAT WE HAD UNDER AGENDA.
I'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS IF YOU'RE READY IN PARAGRAPH A, PARAGRAPH A GO.
I THINK IT SHOULD SAY THE COMMITTEE CHAIR IN THE LAST SENTENCE.
THE COMMITTEE CHAIR HAS THE SOLE DISCRETION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR ITEM IS AS SUBMITTED MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE RULES.
I THINK THAT WOULD READ BETTER.
AND THEN IT SHOULD ALSO SAY TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA UNLESS WE REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE BY COUNCIL OR THE CHAIR OF COUNSEL.
THAT'S PARAGRAPH A AT THE END.
I'M CONTINUING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.
THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGE THERE.
I, I THINK YOU SHOULD ADD SOME WORDS AFTER THE WORD JURISDICTION.
YOU SHOULD ADD THE WORDS, ACCEPT THAT, AND THEN ROLL RIGHT INTO COUNSEL MAY ENTERTAIN REQUESTS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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LEAVE THE DELETED STUFF OUT, BUT AFTER JURISDICTION AND INSERT OF COMMA AND SAY ACCEPT THAT COUNSEL MAY ENTERTAIN REQUESTS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S A PARAGRAPH H, PARAGRAPH H BOTTOM OF PAGE 30 IN YOUR PAGE.
BRIAN, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO IT'LL READ ALL MATTERS ENTERED ON THE AGENDA OR HEARD BY COUNCIL.
IT MUST BE WITHIN COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION, EXCEPT THAT COUNSEL MAY ENTERTAIN REQUEST TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL BODIES, DEPARTMENTS, OR AGENCIES.
ANYTHING IN CONSENT AGENDA? ANYBODY? THANK YOU.
I DO, I THINK IT SHOULD SAY PACKAGES ARE PREPARED AND DISTRIBUTED NO LATER THAN THE FRIDAY IMMEDIATELY PROCEEDING TO COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, AND THEN IN THE NEXT SENTENCE, INSTEAD OF THE WORD ENCLOSED, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
YOU'RE UNDER CONSENT AGENDA? YES MA'AM.
WELL THE NEXT ONE ON PARAGRAPH ONE.
OKAY, CAN WE GO BACK TO CONSENT AGENDA FOR ONE? GO AHEAD MR. GROVER.
UM, UNDER CONSENT AGENDA, THE LAST SENTENCE THERE.
YEAH, IT SAYS CLARIFICATION SHOULD BE SENT.
UM, COULD YOU, COULD WE USE THE WORD GIVEN TO, UM, TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS INSTEAD OF SENT? THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE, UM, SEND THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE AND I MAY NOT HAVE MY COMPUTER AT THE TIME AND THEY'LL TELL ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SENT TO ME, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT.
SO, BUT IF IT'S GIVEN TO ME, WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST I WOULD HAVE IT, ESPECIALLY AT THE LAST MINUTE.
HOW ABOUT THE WORD PROVIDED? PROVIDED IS A GOOD WORD.
BRIAN, GO BACK TO THE AGENDA PACKET.
WHERE WERE YOU ON THAT? UNDER ONE AGENDA.
PACKAGES ARE PREPARED AND DISTRIBUTED NO LATER THAN THE FRIDAY IMMEDIATELY PROCEEDING TO COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT WAY IF THEY CAN GET IT OUT LIKE ON THURSDAY OR WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND THEN ON THE SECOND SENTENCE, INSTEAD OF THE WORD ENCLOSED, USE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.
SO YOU ARE SPECIFYING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ARE EXPECTED TO REVIEW THE AGENDAS AND THE BACKUP MATERIALS.
SO RIGHT BEFORE MEMBERS, YOU WANT COUNSEL? YES.
AND THEN IN PARAGRAPH THREE, JUST DELETE THE WORD MAN AFTER CHAIR.
SO SHOULD JUST BE CHAIR INSTEAD OF CHAIRMAN.
I TOLD YOU WE LOOKED AT THIS A HUNDRED TIMES.
AGENCIES AND BOARDS CHANGE IT TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE SHALL REVIEW ALL APPLICATIONS AND INTERVIEW AS APPROPRIATE.
SO ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT REPRESENTATION THAT WAS TAKEN OUT? I DO.
COUNSEL SHOULD APPOINT AGENCY BOARD.
SO EVIDENTLY THERE WAS A THOUGHT IN THE PAST THAT IF AN OPENING HAPPENED IN MR. LAWSON'S DISTRICT NUMBER NINE, HE GETS TO APPOINT SOMEBODY.
THIS NOW WE SET ALL APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
GO THROUGH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TO INTERVIEW AND MAKE THE APPOINT MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.
MR. GLOVER? NO, I THINK REPRESENTATION, UM, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE PAST THAT IS BEING STRIKE STRICKEN, UM, SHOULD AT LEAST BE LEFT IN THERE TO GIVE THE FLAVOR THAT UH, WE WANT
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TO CROSS SECTION OF PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSION, WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT, AT LEAST AS DEAD.OR REMIND US THAT WE SHOULD BE ADHERED TO A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, MR. GLOVER'S SAYING THAT LEAVE THAT, THOSE STATEMENTS IN THERE ABOUT DIVERSITY JUST TO BE CONSIDERED, MAYBE NOT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES MA'AM.
AT LEAST, AT LEAST WE, YOU, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT UM, YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A DIVERSIFIED, UM, COMMITTEE AND THAT UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT COUNCIL WILL ADHERE TO THAT AS BEST THEY CAN.
IT IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT AT LEAST ADHERE TO IT AS BEST WE CAN.
SO YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE WORD SHALL 'CAUSE SHALL SAID WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT SURE.
SO, OR OR TAKE YEAH, JUST SAY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER.
CAN WE READ THAT BACK? I'M STRUGGLING TO READ IT OUT THERE, HOW IT'S GONNA BE WORDED.
SO WE'RE TAKING OUT ALL OF THE STRIKE OUT.
CHANGE THE WORD SHALL TO WILL.
I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IF WE'RE ALREADY IN DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS AS COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE SUGGEST WHO GETS PUT UP THERE BASED ON OUR DISTRICT, ISN'T THAT ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT WITHOUT PUTTING A POLICY IN PLACE? WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED.
I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE IS ANYBODY FOR AGENCY BOARD OF COMMISSION NOW IS GONNA BE INTERVIEWED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC APPOINTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT SAY, I NOMINATE SO AND SO AND THEN THEY GOTTA GET INTERVIEWED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THEY MAY NOT BE SELECTED AND FULL COUNCIL AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON NOMINATED ONE PERSON, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE, THE THINKING WAS TO HAVE THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
YOU STILL GET TO AND YOU'RE UH, ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
BUT I'M, THIS ISN'T JUST SET UP FOR US TODAY.
THIS IS SET UP FOR FUTURE COUNSELS.
AND SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME SITTING HERE TODAY.
THAT'S FINE AND DANDY, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING LIMITATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS ON OR GIVING SPECIAL PRIVILEGES TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB.
WELL, I DON'T THINK WE ARE, BUT EVERY, ALL THE OTHER, WELL I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HILTON HEAD, BUT UM, MOST OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO INTERVIEW AND THEY DO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON NOMINATED.
IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC, YOU'RE NOMINATED.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I, I'D LIKE TO, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON NOMINATED FOR A POSITION ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY.
THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S MY DISCUSSION.
I THINK MY DISCUSSION IS WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THINGS A PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT FOR THE INTERVIEW PROCESS THAT SAYS WE SHOULD CONSIDER X, Y, AND Z.
THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IS WHO'S THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING WHO'S THE BEST PERSON FOR THIS JOB.
BUT THAT RIGHT THERE IS SAYING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THESE OTHER THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS ORIGINALLY STRICKEN OUT BECAUSE PAST HISTORY OF COUNSEL WAS IF THE OPENINGS IN MY DISTRICT, I GET TO A POINT MARK AND YOU ALL SHOULD NOT EVEN OPINE ON IT.
AND THAT WE, WE HAD A PROBLEM WHERE THAT HAPPENED AND IT WAS BY COUNSEL.
THAT'S WHY THIS WAS TAKEN OUT.
I SO IT GOES TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHY IT WAS REMOVED.
SHOULD BE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE POSITION POINT BLANK PERIOD THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
IF WE HAVE A PERSON THAT WE WANT TO PUSH FORWARD AND SAY, HEY, I DO RECOMMEND THIS PERSON, I WANT THEM TO INTERVIEW 'CAUSE THEY'RE PART OF OUR DISTRICT, SO BE IT.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE AND THINK THAT WHETHER IT'S AGE, DEMOGRAPHIC, RACE, GENDER, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES SHOULD BE GIVEN ANY TYPE OF EXTRA TREATMENT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT'S NOT EQUALITY.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT SHOULD BE THE BEST PERSON COUNTY-WIDE AS OPPOSED TO WITHIN THE DISTRICT? I'M STILL FINE WITH THE REPRESENTATION OF THE DISTRICTS, BUT MY POINT IS, WHEN WE START PUTTING IN THESE OTHER THINGS IN HERE, THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE NOT ONLY
WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING ANYTHING ELSE INTO CONSIDERATION BUT THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB PERIOD.
WHICH IS WHY THAT WAS STRICKEN OUT.
AND I, I HEAR WHAT, UM, MR. CUNNINGHAM IS, UH, UM, IS SAYING, UM, I I YOU TELLING ME THAT THE BEST
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PERSON FOR THE JOB IS THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING? NO.OR ARE YOU RECOMMENDING A, A PERSON FOR THE JOB AND I AM I ALLOWED TO RECOMMEND SOMEBODY FROM YOUR DISTRICT FOR THE JOB AS WELL THAT I MAY THINK IS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB? I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULDN'T TAKE ANY OTHER VARIABLES INTO THAT.
IF WE WERE, WERE HIRING A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND I SAID I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS FEMALE, THAT'S NOT A FAIR INTERVIEW PROCESS.
WE'RE SAYING WE'RE TAKING ONE THING OVER ANOTHER.
AND BY PUTTING THAT STUFF IN THERE AND SAYING WE SHOULD CONSIDER THESE OTHER OPTIONS AS GIVING THEM HIGHER PRIVILEGE OR TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
COUNCIL WILL OR COUNCIL SHALL HIRE A FEMALE.
WHICH ONE ARE WE SAYING? WELL IF YOU SAY SHALL, SHALL YOU, THAT MEANS THEN YOU ARE GIVING PREP.
AND BUT WE ARE SAYING WILL IT'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D GO SO FAR AS TO SAY MAY.
BUT I MEAN THE REASON WE TOOK IT OUT, BUT MAY IS AN OPTION.
WE TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE INTERVIEWED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THE BEST PERSON SHOULD BE SELECTED.
SO I'M AGREEING WITH MR. CUNNINGHAM.
WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE SAY? THAT'S WHY THIS TAKING OUT I'M WITH TAKING OUT, OUT OR IN LET'S DO IT OUT, OUT.
I MEAN IT DOESN'T REALLY, YOU STILL GONNA PICK THE YEAH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA PICK THE BEST PERSON.
SO THAT WHOLE AREA IS STRICKEN THEN, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO LET'S GO DOWN TO PAGE 35 IN THE PACKET.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO PRECLUDE AN ISSUE.
SO THIS SAYS ANY PERSON DESIRING TO PRESENT TO COUNSEL MAY DO SO BY SUBMITTING A WRITTEN REQUEST TO BE HEARD TO THE CLERK NO LATER THAN ONE WEEK.
THAT'S FIVE BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES THIS TIME WHERE SOMEBODY SHOWS UP, THEY HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, THEY GO ON FOR 20 MINUTES AND WE'RE CHANGING THAT WITH THIS.
CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT PARAGRAPH I THREE OF YOUR RULES? YOU PUT THE REQUIREMENT AS 5:00 PM TUESDAY BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING? MM-HMM
PROBABLY WANNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SAME LANGUAGE.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ONE? NOPE, THAT'S FINE.
JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE THINGS THERE.
AND THEY GET ONE PER UH, YOU KNOW, ONE SPOKESPERSON, NOT 10 PEOPLE TO TALK.
UM, OTHERWISE WE CAN'T GET OUR BUSINESS DONE HERE.
AND THEN COMMENTS FROM THE FLOOR YOU SEE IS ALL STRICKEN OUT.
ANYBODY COMMENT ON THAT STUFF? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WENT TO AD HOC AND SCHEDULING COMMITTEE.
SO I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE'S OPINION ON A, ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND ANY COMMITTEE MEETING.
NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY ENTER THE DISCUSSION BUT SHALL NOT HAVE A VOTE ON ANY MATTER UNDER CONSIDERATION.
THEY DO NOT COUNT AS A QUORUM NOR DOES THE EX OFFICIO MEMBERS.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
THIS IS HOW, I HATE TO USE THE WORD USED TO BE, BUT IT WAS, SO WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND SEE, UM, COMMITTEE ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
AND IT IS WHAT OUR OTHER COLLEAGUES DO IN OUR MUNICIPALITIES IN THE OTHER COUNTY.
WHAT THINGS CAN BE MOVED FORWARD WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL? LIKE WHAT TYPE OF ITEMS? THAT'S THE ONLY DISCUSSION I HAVE.
'CAUSE IF EVERYTHING ELSE STILL GOES TO FULL COUNSEL, WHETHER IT'S CONSENT AGENDA AND ACTION ITEM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S ON ONE OF THOSE, IT CAN BE PULLED OFF FOR DISCUSSION.
BUT I GUESS THE ONLY GRAY AREA YOU HAVE IS ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT COULD BE APPROVED RIGHT THERE IN COMMITTEE.
RIGHT NOW YOU'VE DELEGATED TO COMMITTEE PROCUREMENT AUTHORITY FROM ONE 50 TO $200,000.
SO I GUESS DOES ANYBODY ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF HAVING THE CAVEAT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT? OR IS THIS ACROSS THE LINE? I JUST DON'T WANNA PUNISH PEOPLE FOR NOT BEING A PART OF A COMMITTEE.
AT LEAST THEY STILL HAVE A SAY SO AT COUNTY COUNCIL IF THE ITEM GOES TO COUNTY FOR SURE, BUT BUT NOT ALL THOSE ITEMS GO TO COUNTY COUNCIL.
BUT WE'RE STILL HELD RESPONSIBLE AS AN ENTIRE COUNCIL OF ALL THE DECISIONS THROUGH EVERY COMMITTEE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY GRAY AREA THERE.
THIS ESSENTIALLY GIVES THE AUTHORITY TO THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO AWARD A CONTRACT BETWEEN 150 TO 200,000.
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GIVES THREE MEMBERS THE ABILITY NOT TO FORWARD THINGS FOR DISCUSSION OF THE FULL DELIVERY OF BODIES.WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF ANOTHER MEMBER GOING TO THE MEETING IF THEY CAN'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE? WE JUST HAD THIS AT FINANCE.
YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACT ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL.
I THINK MATTERS AT A COMMITTEE GET FORWARDED TO FULL COUNSEL FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT NOT ALL MATTERS GET SENT TO COUNCIL TO MR. MCCALLEN'S POINT.
SO IF IT IS A CONTRACT, HE IS RIGHT.
YOU COULD HAVE THREE MEMBERS STOP THAT CONTRACT OR AWARD THAT CONTRACT.
SO I DO AGREE WITH MR. MCKELLEN.
YOU CAN HAVE THREE PEOPLE STOP IT.
EVEN IT GOES THERE AT THE NEGATIVE VOTE.
NOT ALL ITEMS GO TO FULL COUNSEL.
THE OTHER REASON, UM, IN THE PAST THEY, YOU HAD THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND IF, IF YOU COULDN'T ATTEND 'EM, IF YOU WEREN'T ON THE COMMITTEE AND YOU COULDN'T VOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU, YOU GOT TO SEE IT AT FULL COUNCIL.
AND PEOPLE WHO WHO WORKED, UM, DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAD TO BE AT ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
AND, AND MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THAT WAY NOW, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE MOST OF COUNTY COUNCIL AT ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT A MAJORITY THAT, THAT THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND I, I WOULD GO TO COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT I WAS NOT A MEMBER OF SUCH AS FINANCE, BUT I WAS RETIRED AND I HAD THE TIME TO GO JUST SO I COULD HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON, UH, AND BE THERE.
OF COURSE NOW EVERYTHING'S ON TV TOO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS DON'T HAVE TO BE AT A MEETING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EITHER.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALICE LIKE FOR OR AGAINST? I WAS, I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPTION SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF COUNCIL AT EVERY COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THOUGHT THAT WE DO TOO MUCH IN COMMITTEE TOO.
MS. MR. LAWSON WANTS TO SPEAK.
UM, I, I MEAN I I I'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS.
I WAS HERE WHENEVER IT WAS JUST THE COMMITTEE, UH, PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
UM, IT IS A SMOOTHER PROCESS NOW.
THERE'S MORE DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE.
UM, I REMEMBER BEFORE THAT, THAT THE, THE COMMITTEE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, UM, VOTE ON IT AND IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL AND YOU'D HAVE THE EXACT SAME DISCUSSIONS ALL OVER AGAIN RIGHT.
AT YOUR FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WOULD TAKE FOREVER FOR THE COUNCIL.
PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO VOTE PREVIOUSLY, THEY'D COME, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
SO IT IT HAS PRO PROLONGED THINGS.
YOU THEN HAD LESS PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT COMMITTEE MEETINGS BECAUSE WHO, WHO WANTS TO COME IF THEY CAN'T VOTE AND HAVE A SAY IF THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THEIR TIME TO BE THERE? SO I AM, I AM STILL FOR HOW WE CURRENTLY DO IT.
UM, AGAIN, HAVING AS MUCH INPUT, MUCH DISCUSSION AS MANY VOTES AND AS MANY PEOPLE AT THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS POSSIBLE, WHICH I THINK MAKES THE GOVERNMENT, UM, OUR, OUR PROCESS RUN MUCH SMOOTHER.
WELL, AND I AND YOU, YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT.
I JUST, UM, WANTED TO BRING IT FORWARD MYSELF JUST TO SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T GO TO COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND THEN WE STILL HAVE TO GO INTO DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, YEAH, SO I COULD ARGUE IT EITHER WAY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS.
I, I THINK THAT THE MORE PEOPLE AT THE MEETINGS, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO IF YOU CAN'T VOTE OTHER THAN TO JUST SIT THERE AND LISTEN AND THEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO VOTE WHEN IT'S ALL PREPARED AGAIN.
BUT IF IT COMES FORWARD WITH A VOTE FROM COUNTS FROM COMMITTEE WHERE ALL THE WORK HAS REALLY DONE AND PEOPLE HAVEN'T ATTENDED, THERE'S LESS PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS AT A COUNCIL MEETING IF THEY'VE BEEN TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND IF THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST AND IF THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST DISCUSSION TAKING PLACE.
MOST OF THESE THINGS PROBABLY GET MOVED THROUGH TO COUNCIL AFTER A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE THAT IT'S EITHER A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING.
UH, WITH, WITH COMMENTS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY WHO ATTENDS IN PERSON OR THROUGH, UH, THROUGH ZOOM.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM ATTENDING NOR WOULD WE NOT ALLOW THEM TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION THROUGH A VOTE WHEN, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJORITY WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE IT IS.
AND I'LL THEN, I'LL, I'LL WITH, I'LL WITHDRAW ANY FURTHEST.
THAT WAS PUT IN BECAUSE YOU ALL USED TO DO THAT.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THAT SHOWED UP.
AND I, AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO STRONG FEELINGS EITHER WAY PERSONALLY.
SO THEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY SHALL BE PERMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION AND VOTE.
BUT THEY DON'T COUNT AGAINST THE QUORUM.
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PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S STANDARD LANGUAGE, PUBLIC HEARING.WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT WE DO THERE? THAT'S ALL WRITTEN FROM THE CODE.
LET'S SEE WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW HERE.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST REIMBURSEMENT.
THE ONLY ADDITION WAS ON REIMBURSEMENT.
ALL MILEAGE CLAIMS HAVE TO BE TURNED IN WITHIN 30 DAYS TO BE ELIGIBLE.
CHANGE THE WORD TAXI TO ADDITIONAL IN CASE THEY TAKE UBER OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S THEIR PAYMENTS AND THEN THE REST IS THE RESOLUTION.
MADAM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, JUST QUICKLY, UM, I JUST PUT A NOTE HERE JUST FOR ME NOW, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, UM, WITHIN 30 DAYS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT MM-HMM
IS THAT 30 DAYS OF TRAVEL? NOPE.
I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO FINANCE IT'S 30 DAYS PERIOD.
PRIOR TO TRAVEL OR AFTER TRAVEL IS MY QUESTION? WELL, YOUR TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT IS BASED ON THE MONTH AFTER.
SO NOVEMBER IS DUE IN DECEMBER.
NOT JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH OR APRIL.
IT'D BE DUE THE END OF THE MONTH PRIOR.
AND UH, WE'LL HAVE REVISIONS ON PAGE 49 IN THE PACKET UC COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULED.
THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR YOU.
AND THEN I WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE MILEAGE BEFORE YOU PROCEED.
ARE YOU INDICATING THAT LOCAL TRAVEL HAS TO BE SUBMITTED WITHIN 30 DAYS AT THE, AFTER THE END OF THE MONTH? CORRECT.
AND THAT IT CAN'T BE SUBMITTED IN QUARTERLY.
SO IF YOU ARE TRAVELING YOU HAVE ONE TRIP IN JULY OR 20 TRIPS IN JULY.
ALL OF THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR BY AUGUST, CORRECT? 31ST.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUT IN THE ONE TRIP JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SUBMIT A QUARTERLY REPORT.
IT HAS TO BE 30 DAYS OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE REIMBURSED.
THAT MAY BE THAT THEY WANT THAT, THEY WANT IT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY RUNNING OUR OPERATION OR COUNTY COUNCIL? WELL, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH 30 DAYS? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHIN 30 DAYS.
I WHO SAYS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT IN 30 DAYS.
AND WHOSE RULE IS THAT? WE'RE PUTTING IT IN.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M QUESTIONING IT.
WHOSE AUTHORITY IS PUTTING THIS IN THE HANDBOOK? WHY? WHY COULDN'T YOU IF YOU ONLY MAKE ONE TRIP IN JULY, YOU'D SUBMIT ONE SHEET IN AUGUST FOR THAT ONE TRIP FOR YOUR MILEAGE.
I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MONTH.
I'M WONDERING WHY WE CAN'T SUBMIT, WHY WE, WHY CAN'T WE SUBMIT 90 DAY REPORTS? WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE EVERY MONTH? CAN I SAY SOMETHING MR. CHAIR? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
BECAUSE ACCOUNTING JUST TOLD US THAT THEY NEED IT WITHIN 30 DAYS FOR ACCOUNTING ISSUES, NOT 'CAUSE ANYTHING ELSE.
RIGHT? AM I RIGHT? VICKY PINK? WE HAVE THAT IN OUR TRAVEL POLICY, BUT I MEAN IT, IF THEY SUBMITTED IT WITHIN A QUARTER, WE WOULD STILL REIMBURSE, REIMBURSED.
WE'RE TRYING TO CROSS FISCAL YEARS.
I'M TYPICALLY LATE AND QUARTERLY AT BEST.
SO
NOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO MONTHLY, BY ALL MEANS, BUT PINKY LET US KNOW.
IS THERE GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH QUARTERLY? YEAH, THERE'D BE AN ISSUE WITH QUARTERLY.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE NOW IN THE HANDBOOK THAT YOU SUBMIT IT MONTHLY, THE MONTH AFTER YOU'VE DONE YOUR TRAVEL, CORRECT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF WE HOLD EVERYBODY ELSE TO THAT STANDARD THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY, I, I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THAT.
I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA LIE, RIGHT? I'VE NEVER FILLED ONE OUT, BUT
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT EMPLOYEES.
MR. PASSMAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT SUBMITTING IT, UH, A MONTH AFTERWARDS.
OH, I USED TO MIS SUBMIT MINE ONCE A YEAR, BUT
I HAVE NEVER SUBMITTED ONE, SO I'M FIND ALL RIGHT.
I DO MY MONTHLY AND, UH, AS I USED TO BE A CALENDAR.
OKAY, SO IT'S GONNA STAY MONTHLY RIGHT NOW? THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS? YES.
I WANT YOU TO GO TO PAGE 50 'CAUSE I NEED TO WRAP IT UP.
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OF A CALENDAR.GO PAST THE COMMITTEE CALENDAR.
THERE'S OPTION A IS THE FIRST CALENDAR ON PAGE 50, THIS CALENDAR, AND THIS IS, UM, I OBJECTED TO THIS ONE.
THIS ONLY HAS A MEETING SOUTH OF THE BROAD ONCE A QUARTER AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES FOR MOVING US AROUND, BUT I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT, AND THEN THE ONE, THE NEXT ONE, OPTION B HAS US EVERY OTHER MEETING, SO TWICE A MONTH, UM, ONCE A MONTH RATHER QUARTER DOWN IN THE BROAD SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I HAVE SOME INFORMATION, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO, WHEN IT GOES TO FULL COUNSEL.
UM, I'M NOT PREPARED TODAY TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT COMPARES THE COSTS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, JUST FOR FULL COUNSEL TO CONSIDER WHEN THEY VOTE ON IT.
SO THE, THE POINT IS IF YOU DO THE FIRST ONE, IT'S ONCE A QUARTER SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
THE SECOND ONE IS ONCE A MONTH SOUTH OF BROAD, AND SHE MAY HAVE COSTS, AND I SAY IT'S A SERVICE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
YOU SEE THE ROTATION IN PART A, OPTION A OPTION OPTION B.
WOULD YOU SAY ONCE A MONTH SOUTH OF THE BROAD? YEP.
YOU MEAN OF THE TWO MEETINGS? ONE WOULD BE SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
SO COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE HERE.
ONE COUNCIL MEETING HERE, ONE COUNCIL MEETING SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
SO I, I GET THAT, BUT THERE ARE FOUR MONTHS.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEETING.
WELL THEN IT'S LISTED PROBABLY UP HERE.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S LISTED UP HERE WHEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
YEAH, IF YOU LOOK, LOOK AT JUST, I JUST ASK EVERYONE TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL WITH THE INFORMATION, THE TIME IT COSTS FOR EVERYONE TO CONSIDER.
SHE'S GONNA TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MOVE US DOWN SOUTH OF THE BROAD.
ONCE YOU WRAP THIS UP, I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION, ADOPTING THE, THE HANDBOOK PROCEDURES AS DISCUSSED TODAY TO GO TO COUNSEL.
I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE DURING DISCUSSION.
THAT'S FOR THE HANDBOOK? CORRECT? OKAY.
I THINK WE ABOUT THE MILE, I MEAN ABOUT THE HANDBOOK.
ALL IN FAVOR TO APPROVE THE HANDBOOK AS PRESENTED TO FORWARD THE COUNSEL.
AND I THINK MR. MCCLELLAN WAS A NO.
AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CALENDAR AGAIN AT COUNCIL? NO, HERE AS WELL.
THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION FROM EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
SO WE ARE ADJOURNED FROM EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
I AM DENNIS ADAMS. AND THIS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
FORREST GUMP, THE PRINCE OF TIDES, THE GREAT SANTINI.
THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE BIG HOLLYWOOD MOVIES FILMED IN BEAUFORT COUNTY DURING THE 1980S AND 1990S.
BUT THE EARLIEST BIG SCREEN PRODUCTION, A SHOT HERE DATES BACK NEARLY A CENTURY.
LATE IN NOVEMBER, 1917, AMERICAN FEATURE FILMS OF GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA, SINCE A COMPANY OF ACTORS ON LOCATION TO ST.
HELENA ISLAND AND AMONG THE ANTEBELLUM MANSIONS OF BEAUFORT.
IN THE WORDS OF THE BEAUFORT GAZETTE, THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERACY IS ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE AND STUPENDOUS MOTION PICTURE SCENARIOS EVER ATTEMPTED BY ANY DRAMATIST.
IT CERTAINLY WAS A COSTUME DRAMA WITH OVER 640 PIECES OF PERIOD CLOTHING SHIPPED IN FOR THE ACTORS.
JOINING THE PRODUCTION JUST BEFORE FILMING
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WAS ONE WILLIAM CUNNINGHAM OF PEERLESS FILM COMPANY OF LOS ANGELES.HE LENT A HOLLYWOOD TOUCH TO THE PRODUCTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE FILM HAS DISAPPEARED.
IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE STUDIO EXAGGERATED ITS CLAIMS OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE MOVING PICTURE SINCE THE BIRTH OF A NATION.
I'M DENNIS ADAMS, AND THIS HAS BEEN YOUR BUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
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