* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY. [*Portions of this clip experienced audio distortion*] [I. CALL TO ORDER] OKAY, THIS IS A CALL TO ORDER FOR THE NOVEMBER STORE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING. IT'S WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 6:00 PM ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIRMAN EVAN GOODWIN. HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN JOE PAUL. HERE. COMMISSIONER CURLEY FRAZIER. HERE. COMMISSIONER JIM PES. COMMISSIONER TIM GROVES. HERE. COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER HERE. COMMISSIONER LISA HERE. OKAY. NOTICE [III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT] REGARDING ADJOURNMENT. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED. THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR SPECIAL MEETING DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M [IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES ] LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF THE OCTOBER MINUTES. SO WHO DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. AND ANY OLD BUSINESS. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA GO ON [VII. 1. 54 Stock Farm Road: A request by Amanda Denmark (Pearce Scott Architects), Applicant, on behalf of Erik and Paige Blechinger, Owners, for approval of a Certificate of AppropriatenessHistoric District, to allow construction of a 1.5-story Main Residence (an Additional Building Type) of approximately 3,008 SF and a 1-story detached Carriage House of approximately 602 SF located at 54 Stock Farm Road. The property is in Old Town Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-04-25-019626) (Staff - Charlotte Moore) ] A NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS A CO BOOK FOR 54 STOCK . I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS A REQUEST, UH, FROM AMANDA DENMARK HERE, SCOTT ARCHITECTS, UH, FOR PROPERTY UNDER ERIC AND PAIGE, UH, LESINGER, SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCE THAT. . UM, THEY ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF A COFA HD TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE AND A HALF SL MAIN RESIDENCE, UH, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE OF APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE FEET AND A ONE STORY DETACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 900 SQUARE FEET, UM, AT 54 STOCK FARM ROAD IN OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY. IT IS NOT PART OF THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT. IT IS AT THE VERY END OF STOCK FARM ROAD AND, UH, IS, UH, SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY, UH, BY ROADWAY OR RIGHT AWAY RATHER. UM, THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE IS, UH, UNDEVELOPED. APPARENTLY THERE AT ONE TIME, UM, WAS, UH, A HOUSE THERE. THERE IS A REMNANT OF A CHINEY, UM, THAT EXISTS. IT'S ACTUALLY A HISTORIC RESOURCE ON, AT THE STATE'S, UM, HISTORIC SURVEY, UH, RESOURCE SURVEY. UM, THIS, UH, CHINNI WILL REMAIN. THIS IS A SITE PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THE, THE NAME TRUCTURE WILL FACE STOCK FARM ROAD. AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS LOCATED HERE. THAT SHIMMY, UH, THAT I MENTIONED IS LOCATED HERE. AND AGAIN, IT WILL REMAIN INTACT. UH, THERE ARE SOME TREES ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL REMAIN AND THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL TREES THAT WILL ALSO, UM, BE PLANTED. I DID WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE, UH, AS WELL. THE, THE STOCK FARM ROAD ACTUALLY ENCROACHES ONTO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND IN ONE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT INDICATED THAT THE ROAD WOULD BE, UM, IF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD, THAT THE, UM, THE ROAD THAT THE CURRENT ODORS, AND WE MIGHT NEED THIS CORRECTED FROM YOU, AMANDA, UM, THAT THE ROAD WOULD STAY WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. BUT THEN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN INDICATED OTHERWISE YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY HERE. SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE CERTAIN, UM, THAT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN IF THAT ROAD'S GONNA BE MOVED TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE OR IF IT'S GONNA REMAIN IN PLACE. UM, SO, UH, THE, THIS IS THE, UH, BOTH THE ELEVATIONS, FRONT ELEVATIONS THAT WE'LL FACE INTO QUAN ROAD. THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE EAST, UM, THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH AGAIN IS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE. AND THEN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THERE TO THE LEFT, THAT WILL BE A LITTLE FARTHER BACK. UM, UH, THE HOUSE WILL CONSIST OF, UM, UH, RAISED FOUNDATION, THE TAVI, UM, LAPBOARD WITH HARDY, UH, METAL SEAM SCANNING ROOF. UM, THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL, AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME THINGS HERE IN YELLOW. UM, THE SERVICE YARD IS ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE OF THE HOUSE. AND JUST WANNA BE CERTAIN THAT IF IT'S NOT TO CONTAIN ANY GARBAGE CANS, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIGHT THERE. UM, THAT THERE WILL BE A SURFACE GUARD IF THESE GARBAGE CANS ARE GOING TO BE KEPT OUTSIDE. UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO POINT OUT TO THE COLUMN. WE ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION REGARDING, UH, THE, UH, MATERIAL THAT IT WILL BE WRAPPED IN, WHICH WILL BE PRESSURE TREATED WOOD. UM, IT WAS NOT INDICATED ON THE PLANS, BUT, UH, MS UH, TIM HAS FOLLOWED UP WITH THAT. AND [00:05:01] WE NEED A DETAIL REGARDING THE VENT. UH, LITTLE MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THAT AS WELL. UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL BE MADE TO BE MADE TONIGHT. UH, THE RAILINGS THAT YOU SEE HERE AT THE PORCHES ARE PATTERN COATED ALUMINUM. THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST, BUT THIS IS NOT A MATERIAL THAT'S PERMITTED BY THE UDO. SO DETERMINATION WILL NEED TO BE MADE. MADE. UM, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BRIDGE EXTREMITY IS, UM, AT STAFF. WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS SOMEBODY TYPICAL, UM, BRI IT IS BRICK, WHICH IS MATERIAL, BUT THE CONFIGURATION IS NOT TYPICAL OF OLD TOWN. SO WE ARE ALSO SEEKING DETERMINATION FROM THE HPC, UH, REGARDING THE APPROPRIATENESS. UH, HERE IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION. UH, THIS SMALLER BUILDING THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THAT RIGHT WING, IT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM AREA. THE REAR ELEVATION. UM, I HIGHLIGHTED THE STORE JUST SO THAT WE SHOULD, UH, HAVE THE OPERATION SHOWN SECTIONS IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT FLOOR PLANS, IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT. AND HERE IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE MATERIALS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE IT IS A TWO DAY, THAT LOOKS LIKE A TWO STORY, BUT THERE IS NO SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN THERE'S A, A SHED ROOF THAT EXTENDS, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW PARKING FOR, UM, PRESUMABLY A, AN RV OR A BOAT. UM, THE COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE HERE WILL ALSO BE WOOD AND THERE IS A, UM, UH, TAB SHE, UM, PEER, UH, THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA AND WENT THROUGH THIS PRETTY FAST GOING BACK UP WITH ANYTHING. BUT, UH, THE REVIEW CRITERIA WILL BE MET IF, UH, IF THE CONDITIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UH, COFA APPLICATION IS APPROVED AND THE DETERMINATION IS MADE. THE FINDINGS THAT YOU SEE HERE, AND I KIND OF WENT THROUGH THEM, UM, THROUGH MY PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO READ 'EM TO YOU. UM, BUT BASICALLY IT IS PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIAL INFORMATION. UM, THE, UH, SERVICE GUARD, AGAIN, THE CARRIAGE, THE, UH, GARBAGE CANS ARE CAPPED OUTSIDE. THEY ARE, UM, PLACED INTO A SERVICE YARD. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SERVICE GUARD GATE BEING REMOVED. THAT HAS BEEN, WE ARE HEARING A REQUIREMENT OF UTILITY. UM, I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH. AND SO I DID PUT THAT HERE IN, UH, THE, UH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION. BUT I DO, I, I DON'T CONFIRM THAT WITH THE, UM, UTILITY PROVIDER FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT. UM, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS INCLUDED INCLUDING PROVIDING AN UH, VENT DETAIL, UM, MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THAT WE HAVE THE EIGHT FEET OF PLANTINGS ALONG THAT FRONT FOUNDATION OF THE, UH, OF ANY STRUCTURE AND THAT A TREE PERMIT OR ANY TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED AT OUR COURT REPORT AND D DIAMETER. AND IT APPEARS THAT THERE WILL BE ONE 15 INCH TREE REMOVED, UM, CLOSE TO THAT UH, SHOWING THAT'S ON SITE RIGHT NOW. SO TONIGHT YOU CAN, UM, DO ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS TO PROVE THE APPLICATION AS IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENIED THE APPLICATION. AND HERE IS A SUGGESTED MOTION. AGAIN, THERE ARE TWO DETERMINATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT ARE NOT INDICATED IN THIS MOTION, UH, RELATING TO THE SHOW CAP AND THE RAILINGS. AND WITH THAT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? UM, I, WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THIS OVERLY COMPLICATED, BUT COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY TOUCH ON HOW THE STATE SOUTH CAROLINA STATEWIDE SURVEY OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES COMES IN FOR THE FIREPLACE? IT IS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER THAT. I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT IT IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE AND THAT THE OWNERS DO INTEND TO KEEP IT. IT WILL BE PART OF, UH, PETER GUARDIAN. SO WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT MEETING WAS GONNA ASK THAT. I WAS SURE OF A COMMENT, BUT SINCE HE BROUGHT IT UP, THAT IS NOT LISTED ON OUR RESOURCE MAP. AND I DO THINK A SURVEY AND I KNOW THEM SO I KNOW THEY WANNA KEEP IT. ANYONE WHO BUILT OR SHOULD WANT TO KEEP, THAT'S VERY COOL. BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ON OUR SURVEY MAP BECAUSE IT COULD LEAD TO POTENTIAL ABILITY FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE TOWN LATER ON. SO I THINK IT HELPS THE OWNER AND IT ALSO HELPS US TO SHOW THAT IS A RESOURCE. SO THAT, THAT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT AND WE ARE ACTUALLY ACROSS THIS HAVING OUR SURVEY UPDATED. SO, UM, YES, I WILL CHECK INTO THAT, MAKE SURE IT'S [00:10:01] ON THERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ARCHITECT? UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST, UH, CHARLOTTE HAVE PROVIDED AND THEN UM, THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE SITE, THE ROAD CONDITION AND THE LANDSCAPING EIGHT FOOT, UH, ABOVE. SO, UM, THE FIRST ITEM, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE SERVICE YARD. THEY'RE GONNA PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE GARAGE. UM, THEY DON'T NEED AN EXTRA SERVICE YARD FOR THAT. AND THE OTHER QUESTION, LIKE CHARLIE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE GATE IN FRONT OF THE METER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STUFF ANYWHERE ELSE AND I DON'T IF THAT'S A NEW CODE, BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING ALL IN OUR PROFESSION NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DO THEM IN EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT POINT'S COMING FROM. SO SHE WAS JUST GONNA TRY AND GET CLARIFICATION WHERE THAT IS. UM, THE CHIMING CAP, UM, IS THE DETERMINATION ON WHAT STYLE ARE WE LOOKING FOR? I CAN REPLACE THE TOP WITH A TRADITIONAL STONE PIECE. IT'S SHOWING BRICK, BUT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE STONE. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT Y'ALL'S OPINION IS ON THAT. UM, AND THEN THE COLUMNS, POSTS, DOORS, ALL THOSE THINGS. I'LL WRITE THE WORD WOOD EVERYWHERE THAT CAN SEE WOOD. UM, AND THEN THE VENT, I'VE ADDED A FALSE LOG VENT DETAIL TO THE DRAWINGS ALREADY. THE RAILINGS ASKING FOR THE POWDER COATED JUST LIKE OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN DONE. UM, AND THEN THE SPACING IS GOING BE LEADING COAT, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NO MORE THAN FOUR INCHES. SO CENTER TO CENTER WITHIN THE FOUR INCHES ON THAT TYPE OF RAM. UM, DETAIL, SAME THING. I'LL CLARIFY THAT THERE WOULD. AND THEN UM, FOR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, I CAN TELL THAT. OKAY, HUDSON AND KENRICK CONSTRUCTION THAT HI. UM, SO LIKE AMANDA SAID HUDSON FROM KENDRICK CONSTRUCTION, I'M JUST GOING TO SATISFY WHEEL HOUSE. I'M JUST READING TO YOU A LANDSCAPE PLAN FROM OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THE FRONT. BASICALLY THEY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE TWO LIVE EXISTING OAKS, UM, AND THE EXISTING SURFACE ROUTES. THE PLAN IS TO HAVE THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME, BE THE LIVE OAKS AND PROVIDE SIMPLE COMPLEMENTARY FOUNDATION PLANTS THAT WILL NOT DAMAGE THESE TREES. SO WE'RE ASKING, SO HE WAS ASKING TO BE RIGHT, HE WAS ASKING TO BE A BIT MORE MINIMAL THAN WHAT IS TYPICAL SO AS TO NOT ENCOURAGE ON THOSE. WOULD YOU MIND JUST BACKING UP IN THE PRESENTATION EASIER? WE'RE PROBABLY THE VISUAL MM-HMM . JUST WHERE THE SITE, YEAH, SO RIGHT, SO THERE'S TWO, THESE TWO REALLY LARGE ONES HERE. WE JUST WANT TO PROTECT THOSE. THE ARE DEFINITELY SURFACED AT THIS POINT. AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES IN THAT CORNER. OKAY. AND THEN, YEAH, SO THIS IS THE SURVEY WITH THE, UH, DRIVER. YEAH. SO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF READ, UH, CAST THE COMMENT YOU MADE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS ENCROACHED ON THE ROAD. ACTUALLY THE ROAD HAS ENCROACHED ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL DRAWING, UH, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO COME DOWN TO THAT T AND THEN MAKE A HARD LEFT. AND OVER TIME PEOPLE HAVE CUT THE CORNER AND ARE DRIVING ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO THE ROAD HAS MOVED, UH, BASED ON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE, UH, HAVE BEEN CUTTING THAT CORNER. UM, AND SO THE SURVEY ACTUALLY SAYS THAT, UM, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING THE ROAD. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO. I'M GONNA PUT IT BACK TO WHERE IT IS. I'VE TALKED TO THE TWO NEIGHBORS, UM, UH, MR. EMMETT KRAKEN AND MR. FRANK HO AND I'VE LET 'EM KNOW THIS IS WHAT OUR INTENT IS BECAUSE THAT'S A, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY. UM, AND THEY'RE BOTH FINE WITH THAT. MOST OF THE RESIDENTS. IT'S PART OF WHY WE MOVED THE DRIVEWAY TO STOP FARM. MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ON THAT ROAD, UM, EXCEPT FOR EMMETT, UM, USE THE VER COPE ROAD TO GET OUT. UH, AND EMMETT USES, UH, THE STOP FARM ROAD AND THAT'S THE ROAD THAT WE USE. SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH PUTTING THAT ROAD BACK WHERE IT, UH, IS SUPPOSED TO BE. I MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I WANT, UM, BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL SALE THAT THANK YOU FOR HELPING ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS, BUT I THOUGHT THEY, I THOUGHT THEY WENT ON DOWN TO THE SHARK. I THOUGHT THEY DID A QUICK CLAIM AND CLAIMED THAT ROAD. SO I DON'T REMEMBER. AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO HAVE, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT HR RB LIKE WE DO WITH THE REST OF THE SOFTWARE. MAYBE GET A LETTER FROM 'EM. [00:15:01] I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD HOLD YOU UP, BUT IT'S IMIT OR FRANK OR WHOMEVER CAN JUST PUT IT IN AN EMAIL. 'CAUSE I, I HATE TO GET THE CALL AFTER THE FACT JUST SO IT'S DOCUMENTED. IT'S JUST MY FAULT ON IT. ON THE CHANGING OF THE ROAD. YOU SAID YOU TALKED TO 'EM AND IF THEY COULD JUST CONFIRM IT. YEAH, SO, SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE QUIT CLAIM B WAS, UM, FROM THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER BACK TO EMMETT'S PROPERTY. GOING BACK TO THAT UH, HOUSE THAT HE'S GOT, UH, IN THE BACK OF HIS, IT ISN'T THAT WHOLE ROAD. THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE. YEAH, THAT WAS A RECENT ONE. TABOR DID HE TO KEEP FROM HAVING SKIS CROSS HIS PROPERTY? I IT IS JUST A FAINT MEMORY ERIC AND I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO GET DOWN THE ROAD AND, AND HAVE IT AND I CAN SEND YOU MY INFO ON IT. I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH US, HAVE PROVEN ANYTHING. OKAY. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE WAS A BIG ISSUE WITH THE, WITH ANIMAL WITH LORETTA WELLS AND THAT WHOLE GROUP WITH NOT WANTING ANYONE TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT IT WAS A GHOST ROAD. NOBODY KNEW WHAT THE ROAD WAS CALLED. SO IT'S JUST A FAINT MEMORY THAT I'LL HELP YOU WITH. OKAY. SO JUST AN EMAIL WOULD BE SUFFICE FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DOCUMENTED. IT'S JUST MY FAULT. I DON'T HAVE JUST TO BE SAFE AND THE UM, IT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND THE, THE UM, THE SURVEY THAT I GOT WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SAID OWNER AGREES TO MOVE THE ROAD INTO THE RIGHT WAY PRIOR TO ANY CONVENIENCE OF PROPERTY AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE. SO LONG AS THE ROAD REMAINS UH, SITUATED ACROSS FROM THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND I KEEPING THE PORTION ON ROAD. SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IT SAID I NEED TO MOVE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS AND THAT WOULD BE MY RESPONSIBILITY AND THEN I NEED TO UP KEEP THE ROAD. SO THAT'S WHAT I PURCHASED IT BASED ON, ON THAT UH, KNOWLEDGE YOU HAD HAD IT DOCUMENT. OKAY. TO ME I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED. I JUST KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF HISTORY WITH THOSE PAPERS. OKAY. NOT YOU. THANKS. QUESTIONS OR ANY CLARIFICATION OR ANYTHING? UM, THE GARAGE, THE MAIN FLOOR OF THE GARAGE, IS THAT JUST INTENDED FOR LIKE TOOLS, PARKING CARS KIND OF THING? CARS GONNA BE AN OFFICE SPACE OR NO OFFICE GONNA BE SPACE, IT'S JUST A GARAGE. TWO CARS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME TOOLS IN THERE AND THEN THE SHED MAY HAVE A, HAVE A BOAT NOW OR MAY HAVE A BOAT ONE DAY HISTORY ON THAT . UM, IS THAT THE UH, FALSELY VENT DETAIL? DOES IT, DOES THAT HAVE DEPTH TO IT OR IS THAT YEAH, IT'S USING FIVE QUARTER AND THEN LIKE A STILL KIND OF DETAIL. OKAY. UNDERNEATH. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE LAP SIDE. NO, I MEAN THERE'LL BE LAP SIDE BUT THERE'LL BE TRIM PIECES THAT GET SHADOW LINE. OKAY. COMMENT TOO. UM, ON THE GARAGE. 'CAUSE IT I KNOW TOO MUCH BUT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO LOTS AND WE REDID IT INTO ONE. YEAH. AND NOW THE ADDRESS IS KIND OF MOVED AROUND RATHER THAN TWO AND IT'S JUST A WONKY LOT. I GET IT. YEAH. BUT THAT GARAGE, THE DOORS ARE GONNA BE FACING TWO PROPERTIES. I JUST, MAYBE YOU CAN GIMME COMFORT ON THE LANDSCAPING ON THAT SIDE OF THE TRIBE. IS IT ENOUGH TO BUFFER? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LITTLE, SOME SHUTTING DOORS IN OUR UNINCORPORATED STUFF ON. YEAH. UM, JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME PIECE. SOME PIECE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE PLANTINGS. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME THERE, BUT I DUNNO. NO, AND I, AND I KNOW IT TOO AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME, SOME ON THE EDGE OF IT, BUT JUST TO CONS, I, I'M NOT GOING A MOTION TO ADD IT. I JUST THINK IT'S BEING RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS THERE IF THE DOORS ARE GONNA STAY OPEN AND I CAN JUST ADD, WE DON'T PLAN ON HAVING A FENCE, UM, ON THAT DRIVEWAY. AND SO TO DELINEATE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE QUITE A FEW TREES ALONG. OKAY. THE ROAD. SO THERE SHOULD BE QUITE A BIT OF BUFFERS FROM, SO LIKE ALL OF THESE ARE TREES ALONG THE STREET, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TREES? YEAH. WE'RE PLANTING TREES ALL ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANY OF OVER HERE. YEAH. AND THERE'S A BIG PLANT THAT ALONG THE DRIVEWAY SOFTEN THAT STUFF AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO GETTING ADVERSE THE THAT'S REALLY . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION? COULD YOU, UH, QUICKLY RUN US THROUGH THE IDEA BEHIND THE RAIL? I MEAN THE RAILING KIND OF MODERN FOR THIS ? UM, THAT WAS THE CLIENT REQUEST THAT THEY WIPED THAT STYLE. OKAY. IS IT ALUMINUM, IS IT BLACK? IS IT POWDER? [00:20:01] ANY DISCUSSION ON THE RAILING? I KNOW WE'VE APPROVED ALUMINUM AS THE MATERIAL IN THE PAST. UM, PRETTY MUCH MOSTLY IN UM, HEAVY ROADS WHERE IT'S COMING WITH APPROVAL FROM HEAVY ROADS BEFORE IT GETS TO US. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON HERE, WE'VE TIME, WHICH I'M GONNA SPEAK TO SOME MORE FOR THE ALUMINUM MATERIAL. WHAT ABOUT THE KIND OF THE MORE MODERN AESTHETIC OF IT? I MEAN IT'S DEFINITELY MORE MODERN I THINK IN REALITY. YOU PROBABLY HAVE A CENTER POST ON THERE TOO. WOULD YOU NOT? I DUNNO IF IT'S GONNA SPAN THAT WHOLE LANE. FINE ELEVATION, THE HANDRAILS ON THE, I CAN SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE NO. AM I GONNA VERTICAL? DEFINITELY NOT SIX OR FIVE FEET. I'M HERE AS WELL. OKAY. UH, WHAT ABOUT THE, OUR OTHER DETERMINATION ITEM, THE UH, CHIMNEY CAPS? YOU MENTIONED DOING TAP AT THE VERY TOP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE. I MEAN I THINK IT PROBABLY TYPICALLY CONCRETE I GIVE YOU THAT IT'S, I WHEN YOU SEE CONCRETE FOR EACH GUY, WHICH YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M AT PERSONALLY ON THE STYLE. UH, THE, THE JUST THE BRICK DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE ON THE TOP IN THE SPAN LIKE THAT. BUT THE, I WASN'T SURE THE BECAUSE OF THAT OR THE TOP SIGN. THAT'D BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THE STYLE IS. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER ITEMS? I WAS JUST ASKING THAT'S SOMETHING GONNA REACH OUT TO THE UTILITY COMPANY AND GET A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY. YEAH, WE, THAT CAME UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. DOMINION HASN'T PUSHED IT IN THE GATED COMMUNITIES. UM, BUT IT HAS POPPED UP FROM THE TOWN. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT UM, THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS THAT COMMENT'S BEEN MADE THAT ESPECIALLY ON COMMERCIAL STUFF, THAT IF THERE'S A METER, IT'S NOT BLOCKED OFF BY A GATE. WE WERE TOLD THAT YEARS AGO. SO LIKE SOME OF THE DON'T HAVE A GATE THEN DAISIES AND ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE LATELY, WE PUT A GATE. SO THERE'S ALWAYS, THAT'S IT'S COMING FROM THEIR ENGINEER THAT'S FACE. THEY WANT YOU, THEY WANT YOU TO DOWN RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN AND YOU HAVE THE . UH, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT WHERE YOU NEED TO AND THAT IF YOU COULD EVEN KIND OF ORIENT THE FENCE SO THAT YOU COULD STILL GET IN AND PROVIDE SCREENING THE EQUIPMENT. SO I THINK HAVE TO DO, BUT I JUST WANNA KNOW THE DETERMINATION RESIDE [00:25:05] AT THE TIME. BUT, SO I JUST CHANGES. BUT I THINK THAT ONE'S A BIG ONE. WE JUST NEED TO ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S, I AGREE. KIND OF ASKED CLARIFICATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT, BUT, AND THERE'S BEEN OF TURNOVER THERE LATELY. UM, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LINE UP THAT YOUR APPROVAL MAKES SENSE WHEN IT GETS TO THAT UH, BUILDING. WE CAN ADD ANY DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR JUST THE DESIGN. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION BE INCLUDE THE DETERMINATION AND THE RAILINGS APPLICATION, THE AGREED LANDSCAPE BEING SUBMITTED BY THE BROTHER. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE UH, THE MOTION PASSES. THE PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. WELCOME CHAIRMAN GOODWIN. BACK TO THE DAY FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA NUMBER TWO [VII. 2. 36 Wharf Street: A request by Jamie Guscio (Kingfisher Construction), Applicant, on behalf of Kathy Barbina and Tim Harris, Owners, for approval of an amended Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow the construction of a new 2-story Carriage House of 1200 square feet. The property is in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood GeneralHD (NG-HD). (COFA-03-25-019657)(Staff - Charlotte Moore) ] 20 STREET. ALL RIGHT, THE APPLICANT, JAMIE CIO OF KING FISHER CONSTRUCTION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS. KATHY HILL IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF AN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY PARISH HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET AT 36 FOURTH STREET, OLD TOWN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL DISTRICT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING, UH, OR THE APPLICATION IS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY H PC ON OCTOBER 1ST WITH CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT, UM, IS ASKING FOR AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY TO CHANGE, UH, THE ELEVATION, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF, UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN A MOMENT. PROPERTY HERE AT WALL STREET HERE IS A PHOTO. THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE BACK HERE. TWO THAT ARE PROPOSED SITE AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM OCTOBER 1ST AND THAT FIRST CONDITION REQUIRED, UH, RELATED TO A PORCH, UM, THAT WAS PROPOSED ALONG THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, AND THERE WAS CONCERN THE APPLICANT THAT REQUIRING THE COLUMNS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE OWNERS DID NOT LIKE. LEMME GO AHEAD AND SKIP TO THAT. UM, BUT I'M SORRY, I DON'T, PARDON ME, I, UM, I, FOR SOME REASON I TOOK THAT OUT. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THE APPLICANT INITIALLY HAD, UM, A PORCH ON THE FRONT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE, UH, COLUMNS WERE TOO FAR APART. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO THE FOUNDATION. UM, SO THE UH, UH, HPC BACK IN OCTOBER, UM, REQUIRED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME DOUBLE COLUMNS, UM, REGARDING SPACING, UM, AND WANTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO HAVE THAT, UM, PORCH ANY LONGER AND [00:30:01] COLUMNS IN THE CONFIGURATION THAT WERE, UH, APPROVED. SO THE PROPOSAL NOW IS TO HAVE THIS, UH, EYEBROW, UH, UH, LEAF OVER THE GARAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, IN THE APPLICATION OR IN THE STACK REPORT THAT WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT THE BUILDING WALL LOOKS A LITTLE BIT TOO VERTICAL. UM, AND I'M SORRY I'M SKIPPING AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT. LET ME GO BACK THROUGH THESE CONDITIONS AS WELL. UM, SO THERE WERE VERY, UH, FEW CONDITIONS HERE. UM, SO SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS WITH THE AMENDED APPLICATION WERE NOT PROVIDED, INCLUDING THE PROVISION OF A DOOR AND WINDOW SCHEDULE. UM, THE 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE. UH, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT TREE COVERAGE PERCENTAGE. UM, THE DETAILS FOR THE COURT BEING, UH, THE REMAINDER HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND THEN THE BEARING OF THE MAIN ROOF HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I'M JUMPING AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE AMENDED APPLICATION. AGAIN, IT'S ONLY THAT FRONT ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. UM, SINCE THE APPLICATION OR THE STAFF REPORT IS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICATION HAS PROVIDED ANOTHER ELEVATION, WHICH I DON'T HAVE HERE. I FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING IF I INTRODUCE SOMETHING TO YOU THAT YOU HAD NOT SEEN PREVIOUSLY. UM, SO I'M FOCUSED ON THE APP, THE, UH, THE ELEVATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME. UM, HERE ARE THE SECTIONS, UM, OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE FLOOR PLANS, AND THEN HERE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA. AND I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT AGAIN. SO AGAIN, THE CHANGE IS ADDING THAT EYEBROWS, UH, UH, ROOF OVER THE, UM, POWER DAY HERE. AND THAT IS THE ONLY CHANGE. SO THE OTHER ELEVATIONS, THE REAR OF THE LEFT, THE RIGHT HAVE NOT CHANGED. SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA, UM, ARE ONE THROUGH FOUR THAT YOU SEE HERE AND PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, CAN APPLY WITH CONDITIONS, STAFF FELT THAT UH, THIS COULD BE APPROVED. UM, THE CONDITIONS INCLUDE EXTENDING THE EYEBROW ROOF ACROSS THE WIDTH OF THE BUILDING AND THAT SPACE IN THE PROPORTIONALLY, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S SHOWN HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ME WITH A NEW ELEVATION TO SHOW THAT IDENTIFY THE DOOR AND WINDOW MATERIALS AND WAS NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED, SHOWED AT A MINIMUM OF 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE WAS PROVIDED. LET ME HOP BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED HERE. ANOTHER TREE THAT, UM, THE ARBOR HAS IDENTIFIED THIS OVER THE ROOF, SO GONNA BE THREE TREES, UH, REMOVED FROM THIS PROPERTY. WE WANNA BE CERTAIN THAT 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE AT MATURITY WILL BE PROVIDED. UM, AND SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED TO US, UM, AND THEN SHOW THAT LOWER BEARING ON THE MAIN ROOF AND LET ME GO TO THAT VIEW AND THAT IS RIGHT HERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SHOWN. SO WITH THAT, AND I KNOW I'VE KIND OF JUMPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT, PARDON ME. UM, WITH THAT, UH, TONIGHT YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE THE CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THERE IS THE SUGGESTED MOTION. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTION. I APOLOGIZE IF I , THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE ELEVATION. TALK ABOUT IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR I DO. SO WE ON PAGE 50, SO THE ELEVATION IS ACTUALLY TALLER THAN IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 1ST, RIGHT? YOU SAID P 58. I'M SORRY, RIGHT. PAGE 58. SO I, IF IT DID GET TALLER THAN IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, IT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, CHARLOTTE, THAT'S, I CAN'T SEE. LET ME, UH, THIS DIAGRAM THAT YOU HAD PULLED AND I THINK IT'S JUST A SCALE OF THEM SIDE BY SIDE, UH, FROM THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY? MM-HMM . SORRY. IF YOU GOT THE STAFF REPORT, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD OVER THERE. OKAY. AS OPPOSED OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME. [00:35:01] OKAY. I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT SHORTER. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UH, FROM THE PLAN THAT WAS WAS PROVIDED TO US MM-HMM. 28 5 28 5 INCHES. IF YOU COULD JUST PULL UP THE STAFF REPORTS QUICKLY, YOU HAD A SIDE BY SIDE THERE. I THINK THAT BOTH NUMBERS SAY 28 5, BUT THEY'RE GRAPHICALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. I'M SURE THAT'S SCALING IN IN WORD. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY, I, I WAS UM, REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS MORE ON THE ELEVATION, THE DIFFERENCES AND SO THERE IS THE ELEVATION I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IN MY, UH, JUST TO IT LOOKS YEAH. AND, AND I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. IT JUST, IT CUT ME AND THAT'S YEAH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. I WAS REALLY TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT WAS ACCRUED OCTOBER 1ST ON THE LEFT AND THEN WHAT IS SUBMITTED, UM, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR TODAY'S MEETING. SO SINCE THEN THEY'VE SUBMITTED ANOTHER ONE THAT SHOWS THE ROOF GOING, GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS. CORRECT. AND SO THERE'S, ARE THERE TWO BRACKETS ON THE MIDDLE WITH THAT ON, ESPECIALLY FOR APPLICANT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE, I THINK WE SUGGESTED SOMETHING WE WERE SUGGESTING LIKE DOUBLING UP THE COLUMNS OR SOMETHING. WELL, PART, YEAH, PART OF IT WAS THE COLUMN, THE COLUMN COLUMNS BASICALLY SPACING BUT KEEP, KEEP IT CENTERED. YEAH, EXACTLY. IT WAS, WHICH IS, I THINK IT HAS TO BE DOUBLE IF YOU DO HAVE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. IF YOU HAVE IT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS, THIS THIS LOOKS, YEAH, THE ROOF LOOKS MUCH BETTER NOT EXTENDING OVER LIKE THIS WINDOW. YEAH. SO THE EFFECT OF THAT AND THAT LOOKS, THE ROOF LOOKS MUCH BETTER. YEAH. SO THAT IT DIES IN THAT WALL. SO THAT LOOKS MUCH BETTER. DO YOU HAVE THAT ELEVATION AVAILABLE? I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SHARE IT WITH US, BUT NO, AND I, I APOLOGIZE. I PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN I TOOK IT OUT. I HESITANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT HAD NOT YET YOU HAD NOT SEEN IT. HARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, UM, FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS. YEAH, YEAH. SORRY. I MEAN I THINK LOOKING AT THIS ELEVATION, IT WOULD HELP SIGNIFICANTLY IF THE HORIZONTAL BAND ABOVE THE WINDOWS WAS UP ABOVE THE ROOF. YEAH. AND JUST RAN ACROSS THERE. AND THEN I THINK THAT THE BRACKETED ROOF ONLY OVER THE GARAGE ENDS UP PROPORTIONATELY ROOF FINE. I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT PATENT GOING DOWN BELOW IS YEAH, I THINK WHERE THAT DASH LINE IS SHOWING THE TOP OF SHEATHING ESSENTIALLY. GOOD AT THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S TOO, THE BOTTOM IS TOO SHORT AND THE TOP IS TOO TALL, WHICH TYPICALLY YOU WOULD SEE A BREAK AT THE FLOOR LEVEL ANYWAY. SO THAT WOULD PERSONALLY FOR ME, IF THAT MOVES UP JUST ABOVE THAT ROOF, THEN I THINK I WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M FINE FINISH WITHOUT THE EXTENSION. IT'LL LOOK BETTER. IT'LL LOOK BETTER. BUT I THINK IT'S STILL, IT'S A VERY SYMMETRICAL GARAGE AND I THINK THIS MAKES IT PRETTY ASYMETRICAL HAVE THAT ROOF GOING ACROSS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW, I THINK THE VERTICALNESS IS STILL GONNA BE THERE. IT'S GONNA BE TWO STORY ELEMENT ON THAT FRONT. YEAH. IT'S STILL BE VERY, EVEN THAT MOVING THAT BAND UP IT, I THINK THAT ROOF HELPS GOING ACROSS. I KNOW I TEND TO AGREE WITH JOE. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE ASYMMETRICAL BECAUSE YOU GOT THREE WINDOWS VERSUS GARAGE DOOR. SO I THINK IT'S GONNA CALL ATTENTION TO IT MORE IF WE ADD BRACKETS TO, TO TRY AND EVEN ADD SIDES, BUT IT'S GOOD ON BOTHER. UM, I JOE'S SUGGESTION LIFTING THAT UP, IT'S, IT JUST LOOKS SO BUSY, LIKE LINES GOING DIFFERENT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. UM, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS COOL WITH IT. SORRY. NO, IT'S OKAY LISA. WELL I I AGREE ON THE GARAGE. I'M QUITE, IT'S UNLESS THE A FINE OR IT'S THE, I WOULD [00:40:01] THAT LEFT SIDE THAT'S ADDED ROOF THAT WASN'T IN THE OTHER ONE. I JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S, BUT IT'S FINE. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME CONDITION AS THE, AS THE BRACKET ROOF OR THE GARAGE DOOR. OH, OKAY. WE'RE JUST SEEING IT ON THE SIDE, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS ADDED. OKAY. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE BAND COULD GO ABOVE THAT LITTLE BIT DOOR. IT JUST, IT JUST NOT SECOND FLOOR A LITTLE LESS AND I DON'T HAVE OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANY QUESTIONS THEY ASK? UH, DO WE HAVE UM, HAVE SECTION OF THE BRACKET DETAIL? SOME, I KNOW IT'S IN THERE. I JUST HAD QUESTIONS. YEAH, THERE IT'S LEMME UM, LEMME MAKE THIS ONE LITTLE BIT THICKER. SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION ON THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED TO THE SOFFIT. WHAT, WHAT IS THIS OFFIT ON THIS BECAUSE IT JUST HAS THE, IT DOESN'T HAVE UM, HELLO? UM, SO WE GOT THE REPORT FROM STAFF ON FRIDAY, UM, ABOUT THE HALF ROOF, HALF EYEBROW, UM, ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DURING THE WHOLE WASTE OF THE GARAGE. UM, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND CHANGED AND JUST SENT IT TO HER JUST TO HAVE IT JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED HAVE IT. UM, BUT Y'ALL ARE FINE WITH THAT THEN EITHER WAY THAT'S WE'LL DO THAT. UM, AS FAR AS THE MATERIAL FOR THE DETAIL, I CAN GET THAT. JUST PRESS UM, THIS IS SOFFIT SOFFIT, SO WHAT UNDERNEATH, WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT, THAT PAGE IS ALSO ALSO CREATED ON TO, THAT WAS ONE SITUATIONS THAT WE TRYING TO GET TO YOU ALL FOR APPROVAL WHEN WE GOT THE FIRST APPROVAL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS. JUST TRYING TO GET THOSE DETAILS FOR THAT AREA BASICALLY. UM, LOOK UP, SEE OKAY. BEFORE IS A GOOD ANSWER. UM, THAT'S THE SAME THAT THE SOFT MATERIAL WAS MISSING ON THE CORRECT. EXACTLY, YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE THERE RACKS EXISTING ON THE HOUSE? NOT ON THE MAIN HOUSE, NO. THIS DOES, WE JUST, WE DID THAT OBVIOUSLY TO ALLEVIATE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL WAS SIX FEET DEEP. SO WE HAD THOSE THREE COLUMNS AND THEN WE ASKED TO DO A FOURTH COLUMN AND REALLY DON'T WANNA SEE IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT. I MEAN I THINK WE ALL AGREED WITH THAT, TRYING TO RACK OUR BRAINS FOR THE SOLUTION. SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHY WE'RE BACK HERE BECAUSE IT'S A FAIRLY SIZABLE CHANGE. UM, OBVIOUSLY SO HERE WE'RE, SO WE MADE IT, UH, SHALLOWER. SO INSTEAD OF A SIX FOOT DEEP, UH, ROOF, ABOUT FOUR FEET, UM, TO, TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE BRACKETS AREN'T SO HUGE. OKAY. I GUESS I WAS JUST ASKING THE, THE TOP UH, BRACE ON THE BRACKET JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FOUR BY FOUR, WHICH MIGHT BE A LITTLE SKINNY. YEAH, WE PROBABLY MAKE IT A FOUR BY SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOUR BY SIX AND IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT LABELED IN HERE. UM, YEAH, IT'S THAT WAY. THAT WOULD HELP A LOT. OTHERWISE THE BRACKET'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT DI I MEAN IT'S PRETTY WIDE TOO. IT'S PRETTY, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT ANG I MEAN THAT'D BE FINE JUST ADDING SIX INCHES TO THE OVERHANG OR MOVING THAT, THAT FEMALE A LITTLE BIT. SIX INCHES. HOW THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE WHOLE DETAIL BUT SHORTEN THE BRACKET. YEAH, SHORTEN THE BRACKET A LITTLE BIT. BRING THE BEAM. SO THE OVERHANG, I THINK IF YOU ANOTHER SIX INCHES YOU'RE GONNA BEAM [00:45:01] BEAM. I MEAN EITHER WAY YOU EITHER, SO IF WE JUST BRING IT BACK, I'D RATHER BRING IT BACK SIX INCHES THAT WAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. SO WANNA INCLUDE THAT A MOTION? I'LL, UH, MOTION TO , I'LL MOTION TO UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TWO THROUGH FOUR AND THE CONDITION THAT THE HORIZONTAL BAND BETWEEN THE LAP SIDING AND THE BOARD AND BATTEN BE RAISED TO JUST ABOVE THE BRACKETED ROOF. UM, AND ALSO THAT THE BRACKET, UH, BEAM ON THE BRACKET BE MOVED, UH, SIX INCHES TOWARDS THE WALL AND THE DIAGONAL SHORTENED TO ALIGN WITH IT AND THAT THE TOP PART OF THE BRACKET BE A FOUR BY SIX. OKAY. SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION? THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT [VII. 3. Adoption of 2026 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Dates: (Staff - Charlotte Moore)] THE ADOPTION OF BEFORE WE THAT I WANNA MAKE. UM, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO CHARLOTTE AND BOTH OF THE H MEMBERS, THE APPLICANTS HAVE A COUPLE A UM, YEAH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS MISSION FOR FOUR YEARS NOW, GOING FOUR YEARS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY TO HAVE ON WHAT YOU DOING? YOU'RE DOING GREAT JOB ON ME LEAVING . THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION, NOT THEIR BUSINESS. YEAH, WELL I'M THE CHAIR SO I'M GONNA OVERRULE. ALRIGHT, SO I WON'T HAVE ANY INPUT ON THIS. I GUESS YOU STILL HAVE TO BE CHAIRMAN OF THE RECORDS. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK THROUGH THE MEETING DATES. DO WE, IS EVERYONE PULL OUT CALENDARS AND LOOK AT IT OR DO WE WANNA JUST APPROVE IT NOW? I IT'S NORMALLY STANDARD THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF OUR CALENDARS TO KNOW THAT. SO THEY, I MEAN I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONFLICTS. OKAY. IS IT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION SIX FOR A REASON? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK STAFF WOULD ALL BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. WE'D BE BUSY. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TOWN COUNCIL TRAIN FROM SIX TO FIVE BECAUSE OF THAT VERY REASON. AND I THINK WE ALWAYS DID SIT BECAUSE TOWN COUNT EVERYTHING JUST, WELL, AND I WONDER IF TOO TO GIVE THE APPLICANTS TIME TO GET HERE, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING AS HPRC. WE HAVE A FOUR. UM, HAS THE PUBLIC COMMENT BEEN AFFECTED AT THE TOWN COUNCIL AT ALL? BUT ACTUALLY, I DUNNO. I I MEAN I'M AVAILABLE AT FIVE. MY CONCERN WOULD JUST BE IF WE HAD SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CONTENTIOUS AND PUBLIC WHEN WE COME IN AND MAKE COMMENT AND THEY GET OFF AT FIVE. IT'S HARD TO GET HERE EARLIER MAYBE, BUT MY SCHEDULE'S FLEXIBLE [00:50:01] ENOUGH BUT DOESN'T MINE WITH, WITH SMALLER KIDS IS NOT YEAH. AND NOT, THAT'S WHY THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, I MEAN SIX IS FINE WITH ME IF YOU ALL MOVE IT TO FIVE. I MAY RESIGN AT THAT POINT. OKAY, KEEP IT. YEAH. IS APRIL 1ST? IT'S PASSOVER, SO I DUNNO IF ANYBODY CELEBRATES. THAT WOULD BE THE BUT THESE ARE STILL THE FIRST, FIRST NAME, RIGHT? CHARLOTTE? CORRECT. DO YOU WANNA PREEMPTIVELY MOVE THAT ONE? IT'S THE FIRST ONE. SEVEN OR EIGHTH. WE DO. ARE WE VOTING ON THIS OR WE JUST, WE'RE ADOPTING THEM SO IT, IT'S THE VOTE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HE VOTE ON IT, BUT WE CAN, WE MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT. LIKE WE WOULD AN AGENDA. WE WOULD NEED TO CHECK TO SEE IF OTHER THINGS SURE THERE'S NOT ANOTHER MEETING OR SOMETHING ON OUR DATE. SOME STAFF, IF THEY'RE ALLOWING US , I MEAN IN THE, IN THE PAST WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH, WITH MEETING DATES LIKE THIS, UM, OR IF THERE WAS A SUGGESTION WHEN IT GOT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WAS ON THE CALENDAR OR WHAT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS WERE HAD, THEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT DISCUSSION I THINK. YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE ME CHECKING WITH YOU GUYS FOR ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THAT RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE RECOGNIZED. ABSOLUTELY. AYE, AYE. AND I ADOPTED AND THAT'S FOR BOTH HBC AND HPRC. OKAY. TECHNICALLY DO A SEPARATE ONE GRADE PERIOD. [VII. 4. Adoption of 2026 Historic Preservation Review Committee Meeting Dates: (Staff - Charlotte Moore) ] WE ACCEPT THE ADOPTION OF THE HPRC MEETING DATES. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A. AYE THOSE OKAY. HPRC MEETING DATES ARE ADOPTED FOR 2026. OKAY. HISTORIC DISTRICT MONTHLY [VIII. 1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff) ] UPDATE. UH, A SLOW MONTH FOR SITE FEATURES ONE GENERATOR AND WAS APPROVED FOR, UH, FROM RICHMOND TOO FAR AWAY. UM, SHE'S A RECENT GRADUATE OF TEXAS A ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T, AND I WILL TELL YOU WE DO HAVE A DECEMBER HPC MEETING. WE RECEIVED TWO APPLICATIONS TODAY THAT I KNOW OF. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HEARD APRIL. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.