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[1.CALL TO ORDER]
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[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – October 6, 2025 Regular Meeting]
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THE MEETINGS ARE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[5.APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
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DO YOU HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS AND HEARING NONE? I'M GONNA GO TO THE
[7.CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP 5 ACRES (R300 016 000 0063 0000, R300 016 000 0064 0000, R300 016 000 0065 0000) FROM T3HN TO T4VC]
ACTION ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, AND THAT IS CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAPS, ACREAGE MAPS, ACREAGE, AND I WON'T READ ALL THOSE ZEROS, UM, FROM T THREE HN TO T FOUR VCF.SO BEFORE YOU IS A REZONING REQUEST OF, UM, THREE SEPARATE PARCELS.
THIS REQUEST, UM, IS TO ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITION THAT WILL BE USED AS A SCHOOL TO THE EXISTING BETHESDA CHURCH.
UM, THIS IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, UM, ADDITION OF A SCHOOL, UH, BECAUSE THE CDC SEPARATES THE USE OF CHURCH INTO TWO, UH, SEPARATE USES.
ONE IS 15 THOU UNDER 15,000 SQUARE FEET, AND ONE IS ABOVE 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING THAT IS LARGER THAN 15,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU NEED TO REZONE INTO T FOUR VILLAGE CENTER.
SO WE HAVE THAT IT'S, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE CDC.
UM, IT ADDRESSES A NEED OF EDUCATION.
IT IS NOT REQUIRED BY CHANGE CONDITIONS.
UM, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ABUTTING, UH, PARCEL, UH, TO THE NORTH OF IT IS ALSO T FOUR VILLAGE CENTER.
SO IT'S BRINGING THAT, UH, ZONING DISTRICT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEARBY LANDS.
UM, IT WOULD RESULT IN LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UM, IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE, UH, ADEQUATELY SERVED BY PUBLIC FACILITIES.
AND WE, UH, DO HAVE THAT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE TIA THAT WAS PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND I ALSO HAVE KEVIN SULLIVAN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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SO BECAUSE ALL OF THAT, WE DO HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.UM, I GUESS NEXT WE'D LIKE TO JUST HEAR FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT ROSCOE CHAMBERS.
UM, I'M ROSCOE CHA CHAMBERS REPRESENTING THE, UH, BETHESDA METHODIST.
SO WHAT WE DID IS, UM, A QUICK HISTORY, IT WON'T TAKE BUT A SECOND.
WE WENT TO THE DRB FOR A REVIEW FOR A CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
AND WE EXCEEDED THAT 15,000 FEET THAT, UM, THAT HILLARY BROUGHT UP AND BROUGHT UP TO THE PLAN.
SO WE GOT ADVICE, UM, AND NOW WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TO DO A NEW MASTER PLAN.
IT'S GONNA HANDLE ANYWHERE FROM 108 STUDENTS UP TO 1 44 MAX IN THIS PHASE.
I MADE A MISTAKE IN THE APPLICATION.
KEVIN PICKED IT UP AND I WROTE 200 AND SOMETHING.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS I DID, UM, CAN I FLIP TO THAT REAL QUICK? YEAH, YOU CAN MAYBE HIT THE, AND THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL STILL.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE CONCEPT MASTER PLAN.
I'M GONNA WALK OVER HERE REAL QUICK.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN DO SOMETHING REAL QUICK SO I CAN, THIS IS BASICALLY A WHAT, NOT LOOKING AT NINE CLASSROOMS TOTAL CHURCH BETTER IF I CAME BACK.
SO WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A 1920S CHURCH AND A 1980S SANCTION AND NINETIES, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE DONE ALL THE ANALYSIS FOR THE OLDER CHURCH, THE 1920S BLOCK CHURCH.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF UPGRADES TO DO TO THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR APPLICATION, BUT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
SOME OF IT MIGHT OCCUR, SOME MIGHT NOT.
WE DID CREATE A, A NICE LOOP AROUND THE SITE FOR DROP OFF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, PICK THAT UP.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SITE.
SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD DROP OFF LANE, UH, WORKING FOR BACKUP TRAFFIC FOR, UM, WE FEEL THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT FOR, FOR THE OUT CHURCH.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE VERY EARLY IN PLANNING, BUT THIS IS OUR FIRST, I CAN, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
LET ME JUST CHECK TO SEE IF ANY QUE ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE ONE, AND I'M SORRY.
I, I'M OUT IN THIS AREA FREQUENTLY AND I WENT BY THERE TODAY.
JUST SO I MAKE SURE, BASED ON YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE FAR RIGHT IS IS THE CURRENT SANCTUARY, CORRECT? THE BIG WHITE IS THE CURRENT SANCTUARY.
AND NOW WHERE IS THE CURRENT FELLOWSHIP HALL? THAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THAT ON YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR, OR THE OLD CHURCH? I GUESS THAT'S IN THE YELLOW.
THAT'S THE NEW FELLOWSHIP HALL UP HERE.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE EXISTING CHURCH.
COULD YOU, UM, DO THAT AGAIN? I, I, I MISSED IT.
THE, I, I'M, I ALSO HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE.
CAN YOU SEE THE POINT OF I'M ON THE SITE VERY WELL EXISTING.
AND WE HAVE A PICTURE IF WE CAN, IF YOU WANNA SEE IT.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING SANCTUARY NOW AND FROM THE NINETIES.
AND THAT'S A BLOCK IN WOOD STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.
OH, NO, I, I, I KNOW IT VERY WELL.
UM, IT'S SUPER LOW DOWN THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS IT VERY LOW LAND? I MEAN, WETLANDS? NO, THIS IS ALL FAIRLY HIGH.
THIS CHURCH, THE SANCTUARY WAS BUILT UP OUT OF FLOOD, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE SOME, WE WOULD BE HAVING SOME FILL HERE,
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BUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE YOU SEE THESE TREES, DRAWINGS OF TREES THAT'S EXISTING, THAT'S AN EXISTING PARKING.SO THIS WILL BE FILLED TO US POINT.
OUR ENGINEERS ARE DAVID AND FLOYD, UH, RYAN LYLE.
BUT HE'S DONE ALREADY DONE PRELIMINARY CALCS WHEN WE WENT TO, OR BE A WHILE AGO.
SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE ELEVATION.
ALSO TALKED TO BEAUFORT, JASPER RYAN HAS ABOUT CAPACITIES.
SO, AND, AND THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT AREA BEHIND THE CHURCH IS, IS JUST GRASS AND GRAVEL RIGHT NOW? CORRECT.
AND BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE PAVED WITH A PURVIEW? IT PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE PAVED DUE TO PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE PLANNED IT AS, LET'S NOT SAY AS IS, BUT VERY SIMILAR TO AS IS IT WILL.
AND THEN JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT, OR THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES, THOSE WILL STILL REMAIN AND THEN THERE WILL BE A THIRD ONE FOR THAT FLOW AROUND? CORRECT.
SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE? SO WE HAVE ONE IN, ONE OUT.
NOW THE, THE TWO ENDS ARE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT ACCESS FOR FIRE? FIRE TRUCKS? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT WHOLE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT LOOP PERIMETER AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU'VE GOT THIS LANE, YOU'VE GOT THIS DUAL PARKING LOT, BOTH SIDES.
THE, THE LANE ITSELF IS THE FIRE PARKING'S HERE AND HERE AND THE BACK THERE IS NOT GONNA BE PAVED, YOU SAID? NO, THIS WILL NOT BE PAVED, BUT IT WILL BE SUITABLE FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
IT HAS TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT IT.
AND THEN YOU COME AROUND AND MAKE LEFT, I GUESS WHERE THAT ARROW IS? YES.
THAT WILL, UH, WE'LL ONLY HAVE A SECTION OF THIS PAY FOR DROP OFF.
THE REST WILL BE, UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE LOOSE GRAVEL, BUT IT WILL, BUT IT'LL BE COMPACTED OR SOME SORT.
WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA DO AS LITTLE PAVING AS WE POSSIBLY CAN DO OR AS HARDSCAPE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU ACT MORE WE HAVE TO DO ON THIS PROJECT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, QUESTIONS AND JUST, I'VE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION WITH KEVIN ABOUT THE TIA, BUT I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS I JUST WANNA RUN BY YOU AS A RESULT OF THAT, YOUR, YOUR PLAN CALLS FOR UPWARDS OF 150 KIDS, STUDENTS, UM, BUT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF GOING UP TO A, A MUCH HIGHER ON OUR LEVEL IN THE DISTANT FUTURE, IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THIS 15,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, BUT I HAVE TWO FLOORS.
AND SO COULD EXPAND TO OVER 200 STUDENTS ON THAT IF YOU HAD THAT SECOND FLOOR AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
AM I RIGHT SO FAR, IF, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO EXPAND IT THAT MUCH? THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT THAT DEPENDS ON SUCCESS OR NON SUCCESS.
RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE PLANNING FOR IN THEORY IS K THROUGH FIVE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR.
WE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND IT AS TIME GOES ON.
WHETHER THAT CAN BE DONE OR NOT, I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT, BUT I I, I PUT THAT IN THERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOAL.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A K THROUGH 12 THERE.
WELL, THE TIA TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS BASED ON 1 51 50.
AND SO IT SHOWED NO DETERIORATION IN, IN TRAFFIC LEVELS.
QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, SINCE WE DIDN'T LOOK AT A LARGER POTENTIAL TTIA, WE'D HAD, WOULD WE RUN INTO ANY DETERIORATING TRAFFIC CONSIDERATIONS FOR WHICH AN AN ACCESS ROAD WOULD BE NE NECESSARY? I, I THINK I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
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PERHAPS KE UH, KEVIN CAN, YOU CAN HELP YOU.THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT, BUT YES, WE'D HAVE TO GET A NEW STUDY FOR SURE.
AND THEN, AND YOU ALSO, YOUR, YOUR, ALL YOUR STACKING WILL BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY OF THE CARS.
THERE WON'T BE ANY TRAFFIC LEFT FOR STACKING IN THE ROAD.
THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WITH A LOT OF STACKING GOING ON ON THE HIGHWAYS.
EVAN, GO, UM, YES, WE, UM, WE ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THE, OUR CONSULTANT THIS MORNING ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, HE MENTIONED THAT, UM, EVEN IF THEY WENT UP TO, TO TWO 50, IMPACT WOULD BE LIMITED, UM, THAT PARTICULAR ROADWAY BECAUSE OF HOW RURAL THE AREA AT THAT PART OF THE COUNTY IS EXTREMELY RURAL.
SO I SAW A MENTION IN THE TIA ABOUT CONSULTING WITH S-C-D-O-T REGARDING POTENTIAL FOR TURN LANES AND STACKING.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN? IS THAT SOMETHING, UH, DAVIS AND FLORIDA WILL HAVE TO CONSULT WITH DOT YEAH.
THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, ABIDE BY THEIR RULES.
IF IF THEY REQUIRE IT, WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, THEY WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS AT THAT.
I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT I CAN'T, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER AS AN ARGUMENT.
WELL, I COULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO, I KNOW THAT YOU'D HAVE TO CONSULT WITH S-C-D-O-T.
BUT THAT'S A DEFINITE, THAT'S, THAT'S A MUST.
THAT'LL BE ACTUALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ALL THIS GOES THROUGH AND WE GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL, THAT'LL BE THE FIRST FEW THINGS WE'LL DO.
THE PERVIOUS IMP PER THE CIVIL WILL DO MOST OF THE WORK AT THE NEXT LEVEL TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND MY SINGULAR CONCERN WAS SAFETY.
SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN, SAFETY OF THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THAT WAY.
AS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, THE, THE ROAD THERE IS JUST TWO LANES AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO OTHER THAN THOSE TWO LANES.
AND IF YOU STACK A START STACKING IN THOSE ROADWAYS, THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
WE HAVE ONE ADVANTAGE IN THIS PROPERTY RIGHT AT THE MOMENT.
AND, UH, IT IS THE ENTIRE TWO L-SHAPED THIS, THAT PARKING LOT.
THIS IS, THAT PARKING LOT IS TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TWO LANE STACKING DURING SCHOOL HOURS, WHICH HELPS US A LOT IF NEEDED.
DOES THAT STORMWATER POND NEED TO BE EXPANDED? IT RIGHT AT THE, WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, AND THIS IS YEARS AGO, UH, PRE COVID IS WHEN WE STARTED DOING THE ANALYSIS.
WE HAD TO CLEAN IT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS NO EXPANSION AT THAT POINT.
TODAY'S STANDARD, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS AGAIN AND FIND OUT.
BUT MY GUESS IS IT WILL BE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO, IF WE EXPAND IT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS.
IF YOU SAW THE AERIALS, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT IS.
IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY HIGH BERM AROUND IT ALSO.
SO THAT'LL BE A CALCULATION THAT DAVIS AND FLOYD WOULD GIVE US BACK.
AND WITH SOME UNDERGROUND STORAGE WE POSSIBLY COULD GET ON THESE BACK LANES.
WE CAN MITIGATE A LOT OF THAT IF, IF REQUIRED.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE ED, UM, 148 TO 1 44 KIDS.
HOW MANY, UH, MAYBE I MISSED THIS IN THE TIA REPORT HOW MANY AUTOMOBILES, BECAUSE I LIVE OUT THERE AND, AND THAT SCHOOL TIME, THE INTERSECTION OF MLK IN 21 GETS EXTREMELY STACKED UP.
SO I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A TURNING LANE, WHICH IS GONNA BE A BOTTLENECK BEFORE, UM, THE LITTLE BRIDGE AT EBENEZER, WHICH MR. GLOVER KNOWS EXTREMELY WELL.
UM, ARE WE, HOW MANY CAR TRIPS A DAY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AND IS IT FIVE DAYS A WEEK? IS IT INCLUDING SUNDAYS? GIVE, GIVE ME A SENSE OF USAGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
EXTRA SOMEBODY HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER OF CARS PER DAY IN IT.
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MY MEMORY SERVES ME, UH, I THINK IN, I'M SORRY, KEVIN, COULD YOU SPEAK UP? IF, IF MY MEMORY SERVES, I THINK IN THE AM IS AROUND 70, 80 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.UM, BUT THE, UM, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE ACTUAL DISTANCE FROM THE SIGNAL AT MARTIN LUTHER KING AND SEA ISLAND, IT, THE CHURCH IS AWAY WAYS FROM THAT.
AND LIKE HE MENTIONED, LIKE THE CIRCULATION ON SITE IS VERY, VERY GOOD WITH THAT ONE WAY GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
ALL OF THE, THE, THE QUEUING IS HAPPENING ON SITE.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING ON MARTIN LUTHER KING.
SO WORRY ABOUT ANY IMPACTS TO MARTIN LUTHER KING BECAUSE THE SITE IS, IS, IS GONNA TAKE IT.
AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT IN, IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU WOULD BE, OR THE APPLICANTS WOULD BE ASKING FOR A RIGHT TURN LANE.
AS YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A LIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MLK 21, THERE'S NO LIGHT AT THE LIBRARY AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, BJ HEALTH CENTER FOR EX OR, YOU KNOW, BEAUFORT, UH, HEALTH COMP, HEALTH, YOU KNOW, AT THAT CENTER.
I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY NO LIGHT AT ALL.
UM, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING A NEED VIS-A-VIS TRAFFIC? UH, WHAT WOULD KICK THAT IN FOR A NEW TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE? WE, WE, WE AREN'T ANTICIPATING A NEED FOR ANOTHER LIGHT.
UM, THERE, UM, I, OUR ANALYSIS LOOKED STRICTLY AT THEIR, THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
AND BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, UH, NO, NO, NO ADDITIONAL MITIGATION IS GONNA BE REQUIRED.
OH, OH, NO, JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MY SECOND QUESTION.
IS THIS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SIX DAYS A WEEK, FIVE DAYS A WEEK? UH, GIVE ME THE, UH, GIVEN THE VOLUME THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT KEVIN HAS, UM, CLARIFIED, IS THIS SUNDAY SCHOOL, SATURDAY SCHOOL, WEDNESDAY EVENING SCHOOL? I MEAN, MY SENSE IS THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE, UM, THERE MIGHT BE MORE TRAFFIC THAN YOU HAVE INDICATED, BUT PLEASE TELL ME I'M MISTAKEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT.
UH, THE LARGEST TRAFFIC LOAD THAT WILL OCCUR WILL BE ON A SUNDAY WHEN THE CONGREGATION MEMBERS ARE THERE.
UM, OUR TRAFFIC LOAD IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN THE CONGREGATION ITSELF THAT I CAN'T SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
FIVE DAYS A WEEK IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THIS.
SATURDAYS IS A CHURCH FUNCTION.
SUNDAY IS THE CHURCH FUNCTION.
I I SEE THEM AS LESS PROBLEMATIC.
BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT 30 TO FOUR 30? BECAUSE I, I, I LIVE OUT THERE, SO I CAN ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU THAT THERE IS A BACKUP AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT MLK AND, UM, SEASIDE AND, UH, PARDON ME.
UM, SEA ISLAND PARKWAY, BIG BACKUP.
RIGHT? AND IT MIGHT NOT LAST FOR A LONG TIME, MIGHT LAST FOR 30 MINUTES, BUT IT'S, UH, THREE, UH, CYCLES OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT BACKUP.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS TRAFFIC GOING TO ADD TO THAT, OR SUBT OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT NEUTRAL BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BUSES AND THE SCHOOL KIDS KIDS PICK UP GET PICKED UP ON MY ROAD AT 7 45 FOR ST.
HELENA L AND THEN GOING DOWN TO LADIES ISLAND MIDDLE.
SO I, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHEN THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVEN TO THE SCHOOL.
OUR, UM, OUR, OUR ANALYSIS LOOKED AT THAT, THAT INTERSECTION IN PARTICULAR.
AND WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE MORNING, AND WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE AFTERNOON, AND WE LOOKED AT IT DURING SCHOOL, LET OUT TIME, AND OUR ANALYSIS, UM, SHOWED THAT THERE WAS AN IMPACT, BUT IT WAS A LIMITED IMPACT.
IT, IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT WOULD DEGRADE THE SIGNAL AND, YOU KNOW, CAUSE US TO THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO DO ANY CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO, SO, SO, SO WE DID LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION, BUT IT WAS NOTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT CAME FROM OUR ANALYSIS.
AND, AND THIS, KEVIN, THIS WAS FOR WHAT THE PROPOSED IS THE 2028 BUILD OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
NOW, EDUCATE ME A LITTLE BIT, AND I, I, I THINK I'M, I MIGHT BE SPEAKING OUTTA TURN FOR MY COLLEAGUES HERE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TOWARDS VISION TOWARDS THE FUTURE.
SO BETHESDA IS NOT GONNA SIT THERE AS AN ISOLATED ISLAND.
THERE'S GONNA BE CONTINUED GROWTH IN THIS AREA, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN ONLY GO BY THE IT MANUALS AND YOU CAN ONLY FORECAST OUT SO FAR.
BUT, BUT WE WANT TO, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THIS.
SO IT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC GOING FORWARD, WHICH SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP IN THE COUNTY, WE'RE ALWAYS BACKED UP.
BUT IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA HAVE, HOPEFULLY WITH S-C-D-O-T,
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I GET IT, IT'S ALL THEORY, IT'S ALL PRACTICE.BUT IS THERE A WAY TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AND MAYBE HAVE A TURN LANE GOING IN SOUTH ON M LT MLK TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT INTERSECTION IN AS ONE OF OUR STUDY AREA INTERSECTIONS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TIA, YOU CAN REALIZE THAT OKAY, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T OVERLOOK IT.
SO WE ACTUALLY STUDIED THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL.
AND WHEN, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, THE INTERSECTION, WE ALL, WE ALSO ADD WHAT WE CALL LIKE A BACKGROUND, BACKGROUND GROWTH BEFORE THEY PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND, WE ESTIMATED THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE MORE TRIPS GOING THROUGH THAT LIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S IN THE TIA, UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE A BACKGROUND PERCENTAGE BACKGROUND GROWTH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE TIA ACCOUNTS FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN ON, UM, SEA ISLAND PARKWAY, UM, AND MARTIN LUTHER KING, UM, EVEN BEFORE THEY PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.
AND, AND, AND, AND EVEN WITH THE BACKGROUND GROWTH AND THEN THEIR ACTUAL PROJECT, OUR ANALYSIS, UM, UM, SHOW WASN'T GONNA BE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
JUST ONE LAST QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T FIND THIS ANYWHERE.
WHEN YOU GUYS DO YOUR ANALYSIS, IS IT OUT TO A HALF MILE RADIUS FROM THE PROJECT, ONE MILE OUT FROM THE RADIUS OF THE PROJECT, OR IS IT NOT SPECIFIED? UM, IT'S, IT, IT, IT IS REALLY, UM, BASED ON OUR ORDINANCE AND OUR, OUR ORDINANCE, UH, SPECIFICALLY DIRECTS US, DIRECT US TO STUDY INTERSECTIONS, UM, THAT'S NEAR THE ACTUAL SITE.
SO, UM, THE CLOSEST SIGNAL THAT WAS NEAR OUR SITE WAS THE SIGNAL THAT WE STUDIED.
SO WE WERE JUST LIKE, UM, REGULATED BY OUR ORDINANCE.
I, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR KEVIN.
UM, SO
THAT IS, IF, IF IT'S BACKED UP ON RED, I MEAN, THERE ARE NO PARKING SPACES THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S IN BUFORT.
IF THERE'S NOT A PARKING SPACE AND YOU'RE GOING OVER THE WOODS BRIDGE, YOU CAN, AND YOU'RE COMING ALONG CARTER STREET, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE MAKE THAT THERE TURN LANE IF THERE ARE NO CARS PARKED THERE.
BUT THERE ARE NO PARKING SPACES ON 21.
SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, IN FRONT OF THE, YOU KNOW, PARKER'S GROCERY STORE, WHATEVER IT IS, PARKER'S GAS STATION, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST SLIDE ALONG THERE AND MAKE THE RIGHT HAND TURN.
SO MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UM, TRAFFIC, I MEAN, I'M, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE DEFACTO TURNING LANES AND FOR EXAMPLE, A DEFACTO RIGHT HAND TURN LANE GOING INTO THE SCHOOL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NOT ASKED FOR THAT, AND YOU DOCUMENTATION FROM THE TIA DOESN'T SAY THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
MY WORRY IS THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN OUT OF PRACTICE.
AND PARTICULARLY THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE THAT IS GOING BACK FROM 21, I MEAN, PARDON ME, FROM ML UH, FROM MLK BACK TO 21, IS EVEN SERIOUSLY MORE DANGEROUS.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE OFF, UH, YOUR STUDY, BUT IT IS HUMAN HABIT.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD, GOOD POINT YOU MADE.
AND IT'S A OBSERVATION THAT, THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF W BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON OUR ROADWAYS.
UM, OUR, OUR OUR TIA WAS, WAS VERY TARGETED, WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, AND, UM, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, LIKE THE, THE INTERSECTION WAS, UM, IT'S SHOWN THAT IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S WORKING, UM, OF, OF COURSE THERE IS SOME DELAY, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, IT, THE, THE INTERSECTION WAS NOT SHOWN TO FAIL.
IT, IT, THE INTERSECTION WAS NOT SHOWN TO DROP BELOW A LEVEL OF SERVICE D AND THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
OUR, OUR ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IF DEVELOPMENT COMES AND IT AFFECTS THE INTERSECTION PAST THE LEVEL OF SERVICE A D AND THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION.
SO, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION FOR STAFF
UM, SO I WAS TO CLARIFY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, IN TERMS OF THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY,
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THIS SITE IS WITHIN A HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.UM, AND, AND I WAS KNOWING IN THE, UH, STAFF REPORT, IT REFERRED TO A VILLAGE PLACE TYPE.
UM, THOUGH I THINK THE PERCENTAGE STANDARDS ARE THE SAME.
THE ONE THING THAT I WASN'T AS CLEAR ABOUT IS, UM, THE, UM, MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM, UM, LAND ASSIGNMENTS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN HAMLET, WHERE I THINK YOU'RE LIMITED TO 50% MAXIMUM.
AND I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE T FOUR VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT AROUND A HUNDRED ACRES, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD EXCEED THE 50% MAXIMUM.
SO I, I JUST WANTED TO GET STAFF'S KIND OF REACTION TO THAT.
UM, SO COULD YOU CLARIFY WHEN YOU WERE THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, WHEN YOU SAID THE 50, WHAT WAS EXCEEDING? SO, UM, AND, AND I MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG ON THIS, FORGIVE ME IF I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THIS RIGHT.
UM, IN TABLE 3.4 0.8 E WHERE IT HAS THE ALLOCATION MIX OF TRANSIT ZONES UNDER THE T FOUR HC, IT SAYS THAT, UM, FOR THIS PLACE TYPE, YOU HAVE A 10% MINIMUM AND A 50% MAXIMUM.
BUT IN THE STAFF REPORT IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE REZONING WOULD MAKE THE T FOUR VILLAGE CENTER DISTRICT AROUND A HUNDRED ACRES, WHICH IF THE MAXIMUM AREA FOR A HAMLET PLACE TYPE IS 160, THEN OBVIOUSLY A HUNDRED ACRES IS MORE THAN 50%.
SO, AND THIS WAS KIND OF HARD TO CALCULATE BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXISTING COMMUNITY AND IN THE, SO THE CORONER'S COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY MADE UP OF A HAMLET AND THEN TWO RURAL CROSSROADS.
SO THERE'S ONE OVER, UM, ON THE EASTERN END, AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S CENTERED AROUND ST.
SO IT WAS HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT PLACE TYPE ARE.
SO WE MERELY DREW THE BOUNDARIES AROUND ALL THE LAND IN THAT AREA THAT IS NOT ZONE T TWO RURAL, 'CAUSE THAT PRETTY MUCH KIND OF DEMARS THE CORNER'S COMMUNITY GOING ALL THE WAY FROM ST.
HELE, SAINT HELENA ELEMENTARY ON ONE SIDE OVER TO THE, UM, LOW COUNTRY STORE ON, ON THE WESTERN END.
AND SO THAT WHOLE AREA IS 470 ACRES.
SO IT'S NOT, IDEALLY IT'S LARGER THAN YOUR TYPICAL, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE ORDINANCE CALLS OUT FOR A HAMLET, BUT IT WAS KIND OF DRAWN AROUND AN EXISTING COMMUNITY WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE ORDINANCE.
SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A HARD CALCULATION TO MAKE, BUT WE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT, OKAY, IS ADDING THIS T FOUR HAMLET CENTER OR T FOUR CENTER, I'M SORRY, TO THE OVERALL, IS THAT GOING TO MAKE THIS COMPLETELY OUT OF PROPORTION WITH THE PLACE TYPE AND, AND WE DETERMINE IT WOULD NOT BASED ON THE THANK YOU.
UM, AND I GUESS MAYBE ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I KNOW OTHER PLACE TYPE OVERLAY CASES THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE MORE CONVERSATION IN THE STAFF REPORT ABOUT WHETHER THIS MEETS THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE POLICE TYPE OVERLAY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET, GET A SENSE OF YOUR Y'ALL'S ANALYSIS OF THOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR POLICE TYPE, EXCUSE ME.
AND, AND THEN I KNOW, UM, OFTENTIMES WE GET, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REGULATORY PLAN THAT SHOWS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, UM, OPEN SPACE FOR EXAMPLE, OR NATURAL AREAS OR BUFFERS.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO WE, THIS WAS NOT, THIS ISN'T REALLY A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS DEFINITIONS FOR THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, RURAL CROSSROADS, HAMLET VILLAGE.
THIS IS ALREADY MAPPED OUT, SO ALL THEY'RE DOING IS MAKING A CHANGE, A ZONING REQUEST, ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT WITHIN THAT LARGER COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE NOT TREATING IT AS A VILLAGE.
IF SOMEBODY, TYPICALLY THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS WHEN SOMEBODY IS TAKING RAW LAND AND PROPOSING TO CREATE A NEW HAMLET.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE CASE OF, UM, RAMSEY FARMS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT CURRENTLY WAS UNDEVELOPED LAND.
THIS IS MAKING A MAP AMENDMENT TO
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A COMMUNITY THAT'S ALREADY THERE TO A, TO A USE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.AND SO WE TREATED IT AS A MAP AMENDMENT, NOT AS A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY.
SO TYPICALLY, SO WHEN WE REVIEWED IT, WE REVIEWED IT AS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT THIS WAS ALREADY MAPPED OUT AS A, AS A VILLAGE OR, UM, HAM OF PLACE TYPE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE? ON, WOULD YOU GO OVER, IDENTIFY YOURSELF TO THE YOUNG LADY OVER THERE, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU? IS THERE ANY OTHER PERSON WHO WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, MY NAME IS WILLIE TERRELL, OWNER OF WILLIE'S BREAKFAST BAR AND GRILL ON ST.
HELENA ISLAND, UH, LOCATED SEVEN DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, UM, AND ALSO EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ST.
HELEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CENTER.
UM, SO, UH, MANY OF US THAT LIVE HERE ARE AWARE, UM, TRAGEDY SUCK OUR COMMUNITY WHEN VIOLENCE ERUPTED AT MY BUSINESS, UH, THIS YEAR, THAT NIGHT CHANGED LIVES, BUT IT ALSO REVEALED SOMETHING LARGER, UH, THE NEED FOR COORDINATED INVESTMENT, SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPPORTUNITY RIGHT HERE IN THE CORNERS.
NOW, AS I LISTEN, UH, MANY OF US TALK AND MANY OF US KNOW, UM, THIS IS A CHANGING AREA.
I THINK THIS TONIGHT'S AGENDA, UH, SHOWS THE PROPOSED ZONING ALONG DR.
UH, MARTIN LUTHER KING DRIVE DEMONSTRATES THAT, THAT THIS CORRIDOR IS CHANGING, UM, EDUCATIONAL AND, AND COMMUNITY USES ARE EXPANDING, AND WITH THEM COMES A RESPONSIBILITY FOR LIGHTING, UH, PARKING, WALKABILITY, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, AND SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT.
SO THE AREA GROWS SAFELY AND EQUITABLY, UH, THROUGH SHED WORKS.
LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS AND PARTNERS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO PROPOSE A COMMUNITY LED FRAMEWORK THAT ALIGNS DIRECTLY WITH THE BEAUFORT COUNTY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OUR FOCUS IS ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT, ADAPTIVE REINVESTMENT, UH, CULTURAL PRESERVATION, AND INVESTING IN THE PEOPLE AND PROPERTIES THAT ALREADY SERVE THE ISLAND RATHER THAN DISPLACING THEM.
UH, WE STAND READY TO PARTNER WITH, WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THE PLANNING STAFF, BEAUFORT COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO HELP COORDINATE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CORNERS FROM LIGHTING, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY MEASURES, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UH, UH, SMALL BUSINESS INC.
INCUBATION AND, AND GETTING AHEAD AS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT WE'RE THE COUNTY'S OFTEN, UH, A COUPLE STEPS BEHIND.
AND WE, WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY BEING A T FOUR AREA IN A VERY RURAL, UM, IT DOESN'T, THE ZONING DOESN'T MATCH RIGHT NOW.
IT, IT'S ZONED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER.
WE DON'T SEE THE BUILDINGS, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, WILL, WILL SURELY COME.
THINGS ARE ALREADY CHANGING, AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION TO GET AHEAD OF THAT, ESPECIALLY FOCUSING ON SAFETY, AS WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THE KIDS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE, WE CAN'T, UM, WE CAN'T KEEP WAITING UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS, UH, TO BE REACTIVE.
SO, UM, WE, WE HAVE, UH, A PLAN AND, AND A GROUP AND A BOARD THAT'S PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION WE WANNA PRESENT.
OF COURSE, WE WON'T, UH, DO THAT HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE DO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT SHED WORKS BE PLACED ON THE DECEMBER PLAN, MISSION, UH, AGENDA TO PRESENT OUR PARTNERSHIP FRAMEWORK FOR THE CORNERS NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET.
UM, SO I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND CONTINUING TO LISTEN, UH, TO THE PEOPLE OF ST.
HELENA AS WE WORK TOGETHER FOR A SAFER, STRONGER, AND MORE UNIFIED COMMUNITY.
BRING IT BACK UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY DIALOGUE OR DISCUSSION YOU WANNA HAVE FURTHER ON THIS ISSUE? UH, I'M, I'M SORRY THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN GLOVER, UH, STEPPED OUT.
YOU KNOW, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF OH, ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS PROPOSED AND, AND MAYBE COUNCILMAN GLOVER HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT ON SIDEWALKS ON MLK, OR ROB CAN, OR SOMEBODY I CAN SPEAK TO.
I, I'M NOT, IT'S, IT'S A PROPOSAL.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT A YEAH, SURE.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT, BUT, UM, SIDEWALK IS BASICALLY A PART OF, UM, THE PLANS AT THIS TIME.
IT'S UNDER 70%, UM, DESIGN, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT BEING, UM, CONSTRUCTED BY THE FALL OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, ALONG MLK FROM, UM, MLK SEASIDE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JONATHAN FRANCIS ROAD TO THE LIBRARY FROM 21 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JOHN,
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ALL WAY DOWN TO JONATHAN.SO THAT'S ALREADY 70% DESIGN AND MOVING FORWARD.
UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION OR WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT FOR RECOMMENDING THIS
I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAT FOR FIVE ACRES FOR THE R 300 0 16 AND A BUNCH FROM T THREE HN TO T FOUR BC.
LIKE THE REASONS IN THE CODE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF'S REPORT, I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON.
UM, REASONS ARE IT'S CONSISTENT, UH, WITH AND FURTHERS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, IT IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH ANY PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE OR CODE ORDINANCES.
IT DOES ADDRESS A COMMUNITY NEED.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CHANGE CONDITIONS.
IT, IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND PROPOSED USES SURROUNDING THE LAND SUBJECT TO THE APPLICATION AND THE APPROPRIATE ZONE AND USES FOR THE LAND.
IT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEARBY LANDS, AND IT WOULD RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SECOND FOR THAT MOTION, I'LL SECOND IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UNANIM APPROVAL OF THE MOTION.
THAT WAS OUR ONLY ACTION ITEM FOR THE EVENING.
YOU ALL CAN STAY IF YOU'D LIKE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANTED TO DO.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TURNOUT.
WE'RE WE'RE AT THE, UM, NICE GOING IN.
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CHAIRMAN'S REPORT.UM, AT THE
TIME, DATE, LOCATION, THURSDAY.
SO, UM, COMING UP ON THURSDAY AT 2:00 PM UM, IN THE ARTHUR HORN BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT BESIDE THE PLANNING BUILDING, UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THAT ONE WILL BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ONE THE WEEK AFTER.
YOU CAN JUST SEND THAT THE NEXT THURSDAY AFTER THAT ONE TOO.
BUT THAT ONE WILL BE IN THE, UM, BIV WHAT IS THIS? THE, AT THE BUILDING BEHIND THE ARTHUR HORN BUILDING? NO.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU DO YOU WORK AT BIV? YEAH.
WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? 1 0 4 IN
ONE OH VILLAGE IS WHERE THE SECOND ONE WILL BE.
AND THAT WILL BE OUR MOBILITY MEETING.
THEN WE HAVE TWO OTHER ONES IN NOVEMBER, SO I'LL SEND OUT A REMINDER FOR THOSE WHEN THAT'S COMING UP.
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IS THAT SAME BUILDING WHERE THE OLD CLEMSON OFFICES WERE.OH, BEEN, I NEED TO KNOW, IS THAT THE GPS WORK TO GET THERE? YEAH.
FOR THESE ECONOMIC WHERE YORK USED TO WORK.
JUST TO CLARIFY, I HAVE THE DATES AND TIMES OF THOSE BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UP ON THE PANEL HERE UNDERSTANDS THE WORKSHOPS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED.
THE ONE ON DECEMBER 2ND IS TWO TO FOUR.
IT'S ALL ABOUT NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S AT 1 0 4 INDUSTRIAL VILLAGE, UH, BUILDING THREE.
AND THE ONE ON 1211 IS TWO TO FOUR.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LOCATION IS.
IS THAT ROBERT HORN? FIRST SLIDE.
COULD WE ASK KRISTEN TO JUST SEND ALL THIS OUT WITH OH, FOR SURE.
I WONDER WHY WE'RE ALL HERE IN FRONT OF HER TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO SEE GOOD ATTENDANCE AT.
SO YOU SAID FOR ONE ON 12, 11 IS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES.
I JUST WASN'T SURE THE LOCATION.
SO WE DO ARTHUR HORN AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS INDUSTRIAL, AND THEN WE DO ARTHUR HORN AGAIN.
WELL, WE CAN SEND, WE CAN SEND THAT.
OH YEAH, I NEED TO, WE CAN SEND THAT OUT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS.
AND THERE'S ALSO A COMP PLAN TRAINING SEMINAR.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A WEBINAR, CORRECT? YES.
I SENT THAT ONE OUT FOR EXTRA TRAINING.
I THINK IT'S, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, THERE'S, SO I, I NOTE THERE'S FOUR WHO HAVEN'T COMPLETED THEIR TRAINING REQUIREMENT.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET, WHAT'S IT, THREE HOURS? YES, I THINK SO.
10, 3 11, 3 12, 3 3 AND A QUARTER HOURS.
YOU MEAN IT WAS SPONSORED BY THE SCAC, THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO? YES.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH UP YOUR, ON YOUR TRAIN.
I'M SORRY, ED, I JUST HAVE TO LAUGH.
I HAVE NOT, I I, I DESERVE TO BE IN THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE.
YOU WANT ME TO SIT OVER THERE? ARE YOU NOT GONNA ANNOUNCE WHO'S TARDY IN THEIR TRAINING? I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC EMBARRASSMENT WOULD BE SUITABLE.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OF IMPORTANT? YES, JOHN? UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK OR SUGGEST BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, DIRECTED AT KEVIN TODAY, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO SCHEDULE A, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SIT DOWN WITH PUBLIC WORKS OR TRANSPORTATION AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THE TIA AND HOW IT GETS APPLIED AND WHAT A LEVEL OF SERVICE D MEANS.
AND JUST SO THERE AREN'T QUITE SO MANY QUESTIONS.
HOPEFULLY, UH, WHEN TRANSPORTATION IS AN ISSUE, THAT WE, WE AT LEAST HAVE A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE AND WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT WHEN THEY PUT THEIR, UH, TIAS TOGETHER.
WELL, I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL SUGGESTION.
WE REVIEWED THE TIA, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN WE UPDATED SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THE DETAIL BEHIND IT AND WHAT A T TIAS DO EITHER INITIALLY OR SUBSEQUENTLY, UM, AND, AND ALL THE SURROUNDING FACTORS UNDER CONSIDERATION WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD TRAINING SESSION.
WE CAN MAYBE DO THAT ONE BEFORE OUR DECEMBER MEETING OR SOMETHING.
MAYBE WE CAN DO A WORKSHOP BEFOREHAND LIKE WE USED TO DO.
WELL, NOT THAT THERE'S, IT'S A RUSH OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SCHEDULE IT AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN JANUARY, WE CAN WAIT.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE A, PARTICULARLY THOSE AT WORK HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WITH THE TWO TO FOURS, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
AND, AND TO EDIT ONTO THAT, CAN I JUST MAKE ANOTHER REQUEST? AND I WAS THE ONE THAT EMAILED YOU.
I, I PERSONALLY HAVE PROBABLY SEEN MORE TA TIAS THAN I CARE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE OF OTHER THINGS THAT I'M DOING ON THAT KEVIN HAS BEEN TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL WITH.
BUT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY'S GREAT.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE I LIKE TO GET IN ALL THE NUMBERS AND DETAILS, BUT I LIKE TO GO INTO, I LIKE TO FACT CHECK SOME STUFF AND LOOK AT THINGS LIKE, THIS IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE IT MANUAL WAS UPDATED IN AUGUST AND THIS WAS DONE IN 21 IN COVID.
SO THOSE NUMBERS USED IN FORMULATIONS ARE NOT EXACTLY CORRECT, BUT IT WASN'T A TIME OR PLACE TO DISCUSS THAT, I DON'T THINK.
KEV, KEVIN, KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU GIVE SOME TALK ABOUT THIS THING THAT YOU'RE MINDFUL OF THE PERSON WHO'S SITTING IN THE CAR WAITING FOR THREE LIGHTS,
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YOU KNOW, WHO'S THINKING TO MY HIMSELF? I DON'T GIVE A DARN ABOUT THE, WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS.I'M SITTING HERE WAITING THREE LIGHTS,
SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
KEVIN, COULD STANTEC OR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM STANTEC BE PART OF THAT MEETING TOO FOR THOMAS AND HUTTON? THEY'RE ON MY HIT LIST.
WE DID THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WITH JENNIFER BEAL.
I, WE, I REMEMBER THAT AND IT WAS SO HELPFUL TO ME.
WE COULD ASK, WE COULD REACH OUT TO THEM.
WE HAVE THREE CONSULTANTS ON THE RETAINER.
BUT I DEEPLY AGREE THAT, UM, BOTH WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES, UM, I HEAR ENDLESSLY ABOUT TRAFFIC ISSUES AND, AND THIS IS GONNA COME AT US IN A BIG WAY.
WE DEALT WITH IT EXTREMELY ON HIGHWAY ONE 70.
UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, UH, J PAUL TWO AND, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAY 2 78, UM, IT, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A POLITICAL ISSUE, BUT IT IS OUR ISSUE TOO.
I MEAN, IT, THE WHOLE THING IS POLITICAL AND IT IS OUR ISSUE.
AND BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD GOES UP IN FLAMES.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER.
ROADWAY CAPACITY AND CONVENIENCE ARE NOT THE SAME.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO BRING UP THIS TONIGHT ABOUT, IN FACT, THE AD HOC, WHAT HAPPENS, PEOPLE MAKING THE SHORTCUTS, YOU KNOW, THIS, PEOPLE MAKE SHORTCUTS AROUND, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, AT THE PUBLIX INTERSECTION.
LET'S SEE, LADIES ISLAND DRIVE AND HIGHWAY 21.
YOU KNOW, THEY CUT AROUND BACK THERE TO GET, UM, THROUGH HAZEL FARM ROAD OR ONE OF THOSE LITTLE ROADS BACK THERE.
THEY DO IT, I'M SURE ON MIDDLE ROAD, OUT ON LADIES ISLAND.
UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LEFT HAND TURNS ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
SO I, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR US TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A PLANNING ISSUE, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T COME BEFORE US AS A PLANNING APPLICATION OR AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I, I, I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY LIKE MY COLLEAGUES THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO GET ON TOP OF OR AT LEAST GET AHEAD OF YEAH.
WELL, I THINK IT ALSO INCLUDES THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT SOME MORE ELEMENTS AND REPRESENTATIVES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT MEETING.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT AND ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FUTURE TUTELAGE.
MEAN YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE OUT THERE ALONE.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ISSUES YOU WISH TO DISCUSS? OKAY, THEN WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.