[00:00:05] THE CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP OF TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 30TH 2025 [2. Adoption of the Agenda] CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA OF ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR [3.a. Stormwater Utility Program Update] RIGHT HAND SO SEVEN ZERO WE WILL START OFF WITH MR. JEFF SAGER TO TAKE US THROUGH THE STORM WATER DISCUSSION MR. SINGER THANK YOU. SORRY I'M A LITTLE DISTRACTED. YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THE PRESENTATION JUST IN TIME. TECHNOLOGY COURTESY OF TOMMY. THANK YOU. IS THAT BETTER AND YOU'LL HEAR ME? YEAH. OKAY. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOMMY, THIS WILL WORK ON THE EVENT? YES. OKAY. SO MAYOR COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. REALLY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN LIST. WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE STAFFING AND THEN JOHN IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES, REVENUES AND BALANCE IS KIND OF A LITTLE FINANCIAL HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE. THEN I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE BRIEFLY THOUGH OF THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT FISCAL 26 PROJECTS AND THEN GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S IN THAT IN FRONT OF US WITH FUTURE SKY PROJECTS THAT HAVE ON OUR ON OUR LIST ALREADY AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR FUTURE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE UTILITY AND ITS GOALS AS. YOU'RE ALL WELL AWARE THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN GOALS THERE'S TEN SPECIFIC GOALS INCLUDED WANT TO FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF NUMBER TWO THE NUMBER TWO PRIORITY INVEST IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE SLIDE HERE IT TALKS ABOUT THAT A LITTLE MORE IN A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THE PLAN OH OH IDEA HERE IS TO THE ISLANDS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, COMMUNITY RESILIENCE AND PUBLIC SAFETY BY UPGRADING AND MAINTAINING A HIGH PERFORMING ISLAND WIDE STORM SYSTEM THAT ADAPTS TO CHANGING CONDITIONS. LEVERAGE IS REGIONAL COORDINATION ALIGNS WITH TOWN PRIORITIES AND THE STRATEGY IS TO MODERNIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, STRATEGIC PROGRAM EVALUATION FUNDING PARTNERSHIPS AND IMPROVED SYSTEM MANAGEMENT CERTAINLY AFTER NUMEROUS COUNCIL I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO OVER YOUR ADOPTED GOALS STRATEGIES AND ACTION ITEMS I THINK IT'S REAL CLEAR ON WHAT WE ADOPTED IT SEEM LIKE THAT LONG AGO BUT IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS NOW I THINK AS WE'RE GETTING THROUGH THE PROGRAM OVERVIEW ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US AND FOR JEFF TO HEAR AS WELL IS FROM YOU IS ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT? IS IT FAST ENOUGH? IS IT THE RIGHT DIRECTION? IS IT WHAT EXPLAINED THAT WE WOULD DO BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME GAPS RIGHT IF YOU LOOK UP HERE I CAN'T SEE ALL THAT THAT EASILY BUT I'LL I'LL USE THE PRINT OUT ACTION ITEM 2.1 RIGHT SO WE KNOW WHAT THE INVESTMENT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM ASSESSMENT AND THAT'S OUT OF TOWN COUNTY STATE SO MORE OR LESS THAT GAP ANALYSIS TO SEE IF ANYTHING'S MISSING AND ARE WE ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IS ANYTHING MISSING PARTICULARLY PRIVATE SYSTEMS AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HERE THAT'S NEEDED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING WITH YOU ALL POTENTIALLY ACCEPTING TWO DIFFERENT RIGHTS OF WAY AND TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THAT PRIVATE ENHANCEMENT. AND SO THIS SHOWS 2.1 HERE IS 26 AND 27 FISCAL YEARS. THE NEXT ONE IS PRIORITIZING OUR PROJECT INVESTMENT IN STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. WE MADE A BIG STEP THIS YEAR AND PUT ABOUT $6 MILLION IN THIS VIP PROGRAM MORE OR LESS 2 MILLION OF WHICH IS REIMBURSABLE DOLLARS OR PRIVATE SYSTEM PUBLIC OPERATED SYSTEM [00:05:08] IMPROVEMENTS PREPARE AN ISLAND WIDE MASTER PLAN WHILE THAT SHOWS AS STARTING IN 27 I KNOW THAT BETWEEN SHAWN GILL AND OUR INTERIM ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER AND JEFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE HAD A JUMP START ON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REAL SCOPE LOOKS LIKE. WE DON'T NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US THREE YEARS TO COMPLETE AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ANOTHER ASSESSMENT ANOTHER PLAN WE NEED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, USE SOME COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO FIXING WHAT WE KNOW IS WRONG RIGHT NOW AND THAT COULD BE OUR SYSTEM THE STATE SYSTEM AND OUR VIEW FOR COUNTIES SYSTEM AND OR PRIVATE SYSTEM. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALREADY IN THE ASSESSING OUR SCHOOL RESERVES YOU'LL SEE THAT TODAY BUT ON ON PAPER LOOKING AT RESERVES REVENUES RATES REVENUE MODELS ON SO FORTH ISN'T UNTIL YEAR THREE. I THINK THAT'S A BIG TODAY TO TRULY ASSESS OUR OUR OUR REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES AND THEN PUT A FUNDING STRATEGY TOGETHER AND AS WE'RE THINKING THROUGH OUR SCHOOL RATE AND OUR RESERVES AND OUR CURRENT DEBT THAT IS BEING PAID DOWN, I THINK THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY EVEN THOUGH I WAS SAYING YEAR THREE I THINK THE THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ARE MEASUREMENT ANNUALLY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND I JUST REALLY THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LAY THAT FOUNDATION HERE SO I STILL THINK THE MARKET OR SHOULD IT JUST BRIEFLY WANT TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON TIME WITH THE STAFFING SO WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS THAT CHART CURRENT ORG CHART FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING AND PROJECTS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STORMWATER UTILITIES IN BLUE LIVES UNDERNEATH AS ONE OF THE DIVISIONS WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH PUBLIC PROJECTS WE SAW CIC PROGRAM MANAGED BY RICHARD LOUDEN AND TRUCK OPERATIONS MANAGER PINE TREES MCVEY KELLY IS OUR STORMWATER OPERATIONS MANAGER A GROUP OF SEVEN FOLKS IN STORMWATER JUST TO BRIEFLY EMPHASIZE ALL THE STAFF SALARIES WITH THE STRONG WATER DIVISION ARE PAID THROUGH THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS FUNDED BY THE STORMWATER UTILITY. SO SINCE 2001 THAT'S BEEN THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR NOT ONLY EVERYTHING WE DO BUT ALSO TO PAY FOR THE STAFF THAT'S DOING THE WORK. JUST TO GIVE A REAL QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DIVISION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS STORMWATER ASSET MANAGEMENT KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE GOING, WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WITH THE ROBUSTNESS SYSTEM WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PUBLIC SYSTEM AND IN MOST OF THE PRIVATE COMMUNITIES IT'S PRETTY ROBUST EVER IMPROVING INVENTORY REGULATORY COMPLIANCE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPORTANT ENFORCING THE CLEAN WATER ACT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL SINCE DECEMBER OF 2015. SO THERE'S THREE OF OUR FOLKS THERE YOU SEE THE WATERSHED MANAGER AND HIS INSPECTORS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT DAY TO DAY AGAIN MAINTAINING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR OF THE TOWN ON IS AN ONGOING JOB WITH UTILITY SO FOLKS OPERATING IN THAT AND YOU'RE ALL WELL AWARE AND YOU GUYS APPARENTLY ESPECIALLY AWARE WHEN WE HAVE A BIG STORM COMING ON THAT WE DO HAVE FOUR MAJOR LARGE PUMP STATIONS THAT HELP PROTECT THE ISLAND WHEN THERE'S STORMS COMING. SO THEY'RE HIGH MAINTENANCE FACILITIES BUT THEY'RE CRITICAL TO PROTECTING THE TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE WE FOCUS ON MAKING SURE THAT THOSE AND A NUMBER ONES SHAPE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ESPECIALLY BEGINNING ON JUNE 1ST EVERY YEAR AND THEN IN A CONTINUING EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE ISLAND'S INFRASTRUCTURE OR WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BEGINNING WHEN UTILITY FARM IN 2001 WE HAVE AN ONGOING HISTORY OF DOING THINGS LIKE BUILDING THE PUMP STATIONS, UPSIZING PIPES, CONNECTING COMMUNITIES AND INSTALLING BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES TO KEEP THE TIDE OUT IN ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE SYSTEMS THAT'S ONGOING TO THIS DAY AND LATER ON WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS RIGHT. I WANT TO HAND IT OVER TO JOHN TROYER WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL HISTORY OF THE UTILITY. OKAY. THANK YOU, JEFF. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF REMINDER OUR STORM WATER UTILITY COLLECTS A FEE AND THE FEE IS BASED ON A THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS BUT BASICALLY IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE THE RATE AND SO ON AN ISLAND OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS LIMITED AND DOESN'T CHANGE THAT OFTEN AND TIMES THE RATE AND SO HERE'S THE CALCULATION THAT IS [00:10:08] BUILD WITH YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND SO OUR THE TIMING OF OUR COLLECTIONS COINCIDES WITH THE PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS EACH YEAR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE RATE YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S BEEN THE SAME SINCE 2018 AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW TOWN COUNCIL SAW A NUMBER OF NEEDS AND THE RATE AND YOU SEE THAT IT'S BEEN THAT SINCE 2018 OKAY A LITTLE BIT OF A SIMILAR IT SHOWS YOUR REVENUES SUPERIMPOSED ONTO THE YEARS THAT THE RATE THE RATES WERE ADJUSTED SO YOU SEE THE RED LINES WERE THE YEARS THAT THE RATE WAS ADJUSTED RATE INCREASES AND THE REVENUE THAT'S PROVIDED IT WITH EACH RATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDE THE GREEN IS YOUR STORMWATER FEE SINCE 2023 WERE EARNING INTEREST WHICH IS A GOOD ADDITION TO ADD THAT SO WE CAN THINK OUR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC FUNDS ALSO IN 2020 FOR PERMIT FEE WAS ESTABLISHED AND YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW HELPS TO PAY A LITTLE BIT OF THE TIME THAT'S REQUIRED ALL THE INSPECTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO BUILDING PERMITS AND SO LIKE THEY REALLY TRY TO RECOUP A LITTLE BIT OF THE STAFFING TIME WITH THE PERMIT FEES AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S A SMALL BUT IMPORTANT OF OUR REVENUE AND THEN ONE YEAR THERE WAS ONE PROJECT IN 2023 THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS SUPPORTIVE OF THE TOURISM AND SO PART OF THAT PROJECT WAS FUNDED THROUGH A COMMON STATE ACCOMMODATIONS TAX AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY BUT YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER THE REVENUE TOTAL HASN'T VARIED THAT MUCH AND IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT FROM YEAR TO YEAR A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR STORMWATER FUND BALANCE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. STORMWATER IS A PROPRIETARY FUND WHICH IS MORE MORE LIKE A BUSINESS PRESENTATION THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS BUT PART OF THAT AND SO THE PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND SO WE'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THE UNDERSIGNED MORE OF YOUR TRADITIONAL FUND BALANCE FROM A GOVERNMENTAL STANDPOINT AND THEN INVESTED IN CAPITAL ASSETS THAT'S YOUR EQUITY THAT'S PART OF YOUR STORMWATER SYSTEM. AND SO I BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR NUMBERS HAVE BEEN PRETTY STEADY OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS. HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT THE CHANGE FROM 2025 TO 2026 IN THE 26 BUDGET THERE IS A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE STORMWATER FUND TO THE CITY FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS. SO IN ESSENCE WE'RE TAKING FUND BALANCE PAYING CASH FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YEAR 25 AND 26. AND SO YOUR WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A LIMIT AND YOU'RE STARTING TO BUMP UP AGAINST THE LIMIT OF YOUR STORMWATER FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. SO NEXT SLIDE EACH YEAR WE'VE BEEN REDUCING THE STORMWATER DEBT. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TWO BOND ISSUES A SERIES 21 WHICH IS JUST A REFUNDING. SO AS IT WAS ISSUED ONLY TO SAVE MONEY FROM A PREVIOUS ISSUE AND THE LAST TIME THAT THE TOWN ISSUED DEBT FOR NEW PROJECTS WAS 2018 AND THAT WAS A $3 MILLION ISSUE AND THAT'S THE 2021 WILL BE PAID OFF AND IS PAID OFF AND THEN THE 2018 WILL BE PAID OFF AFTER 2026. SO WE'VE GOT TWO MORE PAYMENTS AFTER THIS FISCAL YEAR AND THIS NEXT ONE IS A SUMMARY OF YOUR CIP USES OF FUNDS AND YOU SEE IN THE SIP PROGRAM THE STORM MONEY IS GOING TO TRANSFER ALMOST $6 MILLION IN AND GET $6 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IN CURRENT YEAR TYPE AND SO THAT FUNDING FOR THE SIP IS FROM THE STORMWATER AND WE IN ORDER TO AND THAT'S ONE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT MARK WAS THE CHANGES THAT MARK IMPLEMENTED THAT LET'S MAKE SURE TO PUT THE STORM WATER PROJECTS IN WITH THE REST OF THE THE PROJECT SO THAT TOWN COUNCIL CAN HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND SO THIS JUST SUMMARIZES STROWMAN'S PLACE IN THE CRB ARE GOING TO IF I MIGHT ASK A QUICK QUESTION LOOKING AT THE YOU KNOW THE RATES FOR OTHER AREAS WE'RE OBVIOUSLY AT THE HIGHEST RATE AT 150 I LOOK THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL AT 60. [00:15:09] RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AS TO WHY THEY HAVE 60 OR THEY RECEIVING MORE BENEFITS FROM THE COUNTY THAT ARE ADDRESSING ISSUES? I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK BUT I THINK WE TRY TO DO MORE AND I'M JUST YOU KNOW WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY COMES BACK TO US FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY ARE UTILIZING THOSE FUNDS ELSEWHERE NOT HERE. SO IT'S JUST PART OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE GOING DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION AND WE NEED TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THANK YOU AND IF I MAY BUT BUILDING ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND MAYBE A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION I HOPE THAT IS BEFORE TOWN AND COLLECTS THE FEES ANNUALLY AND INCLUDES THE V.A. PROPERTY TAX ,HOW MUCH OF THAT COMES BACK TO TO US? I KNOW THAT IT WAS A THEY KEEP IT LOCATION SPECIFIC. SO WHAT'S COLLECTED ON HILTON HEAD IS GIVING BACK. THEY DO COLLECT A FEE AND SO THEY CHARGES A FEE FOR THAT. BUT OUTSIDE OF THE FEE ALL OF IT COMES BACK TO US. ALL OF IT BACK. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S COLLECTED ON OUR PROPERTY TAX RELATED TO STORMWATER COMES BACK TO HELP IT DOES WHAT WHAT I'M GOING FOR IS WHAT IS THE COUNTY COLLECTING AND IN TOTAL RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL FEES THEY'RE BRINGING ADDITIONAL FUNDS BACK RIGHT FROM FROM MERCY ZIP. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE STORMWATER ASPECT IT'S IT'S OTHER AREAS. YEAH RIGHT. AND MAYOR IF I JUMP IN REAL QUICK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REALLY MAKE SURE OF IT'S NOT PROPERTY, IT'S NOT AD VALOREM PROPERTY CALCULATION AND COLLECTION AND RETURN. IT'S A SIMPLE EXTRA DIFFERENT I'LL SAY ADDITIONAL OR DIFFERENT FEE FOR STORMWATER. WE SEE BEAUFORT COUNTY UP THERE $100 FOR CLARITY IS THAT $100 IN THE UNINCORPORATED ARC A NON HILTON HEAD ISLAND PROPERTIES OR IS INCLUDE 100 AND WHERE ARE WE ON 50 FOR OUR RATE PLUS A B FOR A COUNTY $100 RATE OR IS THAT ONLY FOR THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS THE BEAUFORT COUNTY RATE AT THAT? THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARITY ON THAT. THAT IS INTENDED FOR THE UNINCORPORATED PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY SOMETIMES WHEN DIFFERENT COUNTIES ARE DOING WORK THE WORK WILL GO INTO THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES OF OF BLUFFTON OR BEAUFORT OR PORT ROYAL. SO IT'S A SHARED SHARED PROJECT BUT REVENUE IS INTENDED FOR DIFFERENT COUNTIES SUPPORTING UNINCORPORATED OF THE COUNTY. THERE IS THIS THERE IS A SEPARATE FEE THAT WE COLLECT A A COUNTY WIDE CWA WHICH IS A FEE THAT THEY DO FOR COUNTY WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE THEIR MUNICIPALITIES THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER AND THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED DIRECTLY WITH THE FUNDING HERE FOR THE UTILITY HERE. IF I MIGHT ALSO I JUST I'M NOT PICKING ON TOWN AND PORT ROYAL. I JUST DON'T MAKE THAT STATEMENT. I'M JUST USING THEM AS A AS A CAVEAT FOR COMPARISON. SO IT'S A RATE COMPARED WITH THE LEVEL SERVICE HERE. WELL, WE'RE ON THE CHART IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE MUST HAVE STARTED COLLECTING A RATE IN 2001 SAYS $40.03 AND I'M GOING TO BACK BEHIND THAT. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE INCREASES SINCE AND I'M WONDERING IS DO WE DO A RATE STUDY TIME OR DO WE KNOW WHY THE RATE OF CHANGE THAT THOSE DIFFERENT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A RATE STUDY IN THOUSAND AND NINE 2010 AND THEN IN THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE THERE WAS JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THERE WAS OF WORK TO DO AND THEN AND THERE WAS A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THAT MAYBE ONLY ONE RANKED STUDY WAS THAT DONE IN-HOUSE OR WITH AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT OR DO YOU KNOW WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT? BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST TIME A RATE JEFF WAS DONE MORE WITH THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT WE WERE JUST ALL YOU KNOW IS IT IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE RATE YEAH SO THERE'S BOX IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT RATE IS 150 BUT IF YOU LOOK THERE'S A TIER ONE RATE FOR SMALLER SIZE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS $75 AND THEN I GUESS IF SOMEBODY HAS A REALLY BIG HOUSE THEN THEY'RE PAYING 225 AND THEN THEIR SEPARATE RATES FOR MOBILE HOMES, APARTMENTS, TOWNHOUSES AND CONDOMINIUMS AND THEN COMMERCIAL VARIES. SO IS THE 150 KIND OF AN AVERAGE RATE OR IS THAT THE MOST IS THAT THE RATE PAID MOST OFTEN THE SO THE RATE OF THE THE S F YOU WRITE THE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT IS KIND OF A PRIMARY BASE RATE OFF OF WHICH [00:20:04] ELSE IS CALCULATED AND THAT IS BASED ON AVERAGE SIZE. AND SO YOUR DEFINITION OF AVERAGE BUT EVERY SIZE HOUSE IN THAT RANGE BETWEEN IN THAT RANGE GIVEN SO IT'S ASSUMED TO BE FOR FOUR 4906 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA TOTAL FOOTPRINT NEAR THE ROOF TOP AND DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALKS AND THAT'S USED AS THE BASE UNIT BY ALL OTHER CALCULATIONS ARE RELATED TO THAT BASE UNIT THAT'S HOW MUCH STORMWATER UTILITIES DO THAT THEY DO IT BASED ON THIS FUNDAMENTAL BASE UNIT THAT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT OR THE HOUSE IT'S NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THE GROWTH AREA IS THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PARCEL THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE ASSUMED IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT OF A MEDIUM SIZED HOUSE IS ASSUMED TO BE 4906 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT'S COUNTING POOL DECKS, ROOFTOPS, EAVES PATIOS, DRIVEWAY SIDEWALK AND IF I HAVE A MOBILE HOME AM I PAYING $54 PER YEAR NOTWITHSTANDING THE SIZE OF MY PARCEL FRACTION AND IN AN APARTMENT IN A CONDOMINIUM I MEAN PART IT IS 5850 AND A CONDOMINIUM IS $40.50 IS THAT BASE IT MUST BE BASED ON OWNERSHIP. SO THAT'S KIND OF ODD TO ME. IT'S ALL IT'S ALL BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE DONE TO TRY AND ARRIVE AT AN AVERAGE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA CONTRIBUTION IS THAT IT'S A CONDOMINIUM IS INCLUDING PART OF THE PARKING LOT AND THE CLUBHOUSE AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OF THAT IT MAKES SENSE ON A SORT OF SO IS THIS BASED ON THAT RATE STUDY THAT THE COUNTY DID YES THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT WAS DETERMINED WHEN THE RATE STUDY WAS DEVELOPED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO DETERMINE AND THERE'S A CALCULATION THAT'S USED AGAIN IF THE RATE STUDY WAS IN I THINK YOU SAID 2010 IN THAT ERA THEN IN 2018 WHEN IT WAS INCREASED AGAIN THOSE CALCULATIONS USED TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT TO 150 I WAS JUST A DECISION BY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND TO ADJUST WHAT THE TOWN DIRECTLY DOWN COUNCIL CAN AND CONTROL IS WHAT WHAT YOU DETERMINE IS THE RATE WANT TO SET FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY UNIT RATE THAT AFFECTS EVERYTHING ELSE IF YOU CHOOSE TO CHANGE AS AND THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY TOWN COUNCIL 2017 AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW BASED ON OUR FUNDS TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE AST THAT WE HAD WITH MATTHEW AND THESE RATES THE CURRENT RATE. SO TODAY A MOBILE HOME PAYS $54 AND IF I'M IN TIER TWO SINGLE FAMILY OF FIVE 150 JUST THAT'S CORRECT BUILDING UPON COUNCILWOMAN BRYSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE RATES AND THE FREQUENCY I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A POLICY ON REVIEWING THE RATES ON A REGULAR BASIS OF YOUR MONEY. I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS IS SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ME HERE IN THIS DISCUSSION IS LAST TIME WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT RATE CHANGE WE ON THE GREEN INVOLVE THE COUNTY IN THE DISCUSSION WAS MAKING DECISION WITH A RATE STUDY AND WHAT NOT AND I APPRECIATED WHAT MR. IS SAYING THAT THERE'S A PORTION THAT IS COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TOWARDS STORM WATER REGARDLESS OF MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES CORRECTLY THAT THEY ARE COLLECTING SOMETHING SO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE COUNTY PAYS A STORMWATER FEE IF IT'S WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES OF HILTON HEAD THE COUNTY COLLECTS THAT FEE THAT IS IT'S JUST THE MECHANISM WHICH IT WAS THE MOST CONVENIENT MECHANISM WAS DETERMINED BY THE WHEN IT WAS FORMED WAS TO JUST INCLUDE THAT ON THE ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED AT ALL WITH THE VALUE OF THE OF THE PARCEL IT'S JUST BASED ON THE IMPERVIOUS AREA SO THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT WE PAY EVERY YEAR FOR THEM DO THAT FOR US BUT THEY SEND ALL THE REVENUE BACK TO US WHAT COUNTY COLLECTS IS INTENDED TO BE USED IN THE UNINCORPORATED PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY ALL INDICATING EARLIER [00:25:01] WAS THERE OCCASIONALLY ARE SITUATIONS THE COUNTY'S SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT MIGHT ALSO PARTIALLY WITHIN A COMMUNITY FOR THE DOLLARS THAT ARE COLLECTED FOR UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF THE COUNTY ARE COLLECTED BY COLLECTED FROM EVERYBODY THE COUNTY SO THE UNINCORPORATED PARCELS THAT JUST STAYS WITH COUNTY THEY COLLECT IT FOR EVERYTHING AND THEN THEY GIVE THEY GIVE MONEY BACK TO BEAUFORT TO PORT ROYAL TO BLUFFTON AND TO HILTON HEAD AND YOU CORRECTLY IN THAT IS A PORTION OF WHAT HILTON HEAD PROPERTY OWNERS PAY INTO THE COUNTY SET ASIDE THE PIECE THAT WE'RE TAKING BACK THAT COULD BE SPENT IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT GREG OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AS THAT WAS MY CONFUSION I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE MONIES THAT WERE COLLECTED. OKAY? SO IT WAS FOR WHAT IS CONCERN WE ARE ON OUR OWN AS FOR IS MONEY THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN AND MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING UNLESS THE ASSETS ON HILTON HEAD THAT BELONG TO THE COUNTY . YES, SIR. WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THE COUNTY PAYS FOR IT. THEY ALSO ASSESS A COUNTY WIDE INFRASTRUCTURE FEE THAT IS AS A MUCH SMALLER ON THE TAX BILL. THAT'S A SEPARATE FEE. THAT'S THE NUMBER I'M LOOKING FOR. YES. SO I'LL GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU WHAT IT IS NOW WHAT I'M GOING WITH THE THAT I NEED THE NUMBER TO TABLE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT THOUGHT IS THAT AS WE START TO REALIZE THAT THE WATER HAS NO BOUNDARIES SOME OF THE STUFF IS I WAS OF THE STUFF IS COUNTING SOME OF THE STUFF AS ESTATES WE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY HOW THOSE DOLLARS BEEN SPENT ON HILTON HEAD SO WE CAN BETTER MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT OUR NEW RATE IS GOING TO BE. I'M JUST USING MADE UP NUMBERS HERE THEY'VE COLLECTED THE MILLION FROM HILTON HEAD AND ONLY 200 TO HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THE NIGHT WE GOT $800,000 PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS PART THIS DISCUSSION IS WHAT I'M GOING THANK YOU SO NOW I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO OVER WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU APPROVED FOR FISCAL 26. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS TAKE A A LOOK AT THE CIC DASHBOARD TO GET THE LATEST ON WHERE WE ARE WITH PROJECTS THAT INCLUDES DETAILS OF WHAT PHASE THE PROJECT IS IN THE BUDGET THAT WAS ALLOCATED WE WILL BEGIN PROVIDING UPDATES SPEND TO DATE ON THESE AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES AND AND KEEP TRACK OF OUR TIMELINES ON THE VARIOUS PROJECTS I THE INFORMATION THERE AND IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO JUST LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON THERE WE WANT THIS TO BE THE BEST TOOL POSSIBLE FOR THE USE OF THE COMMUNITY AND KEEPING THE INFORMATION FRESH SO FISCAL 26 WE HAVE I DIDN'T PUT THE TOTAL OF 17 ACTIVE PROJECTS FIVE WERE IN PLANNING, EIGHT ARE IN DESIGN AND FOUR IN CONSTRUCTION . I'LL JUST TAKE A SECOND HERE TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES. I THINK WE'VE EXPRESSED BEFORE IN PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS BUT HE'S BEEN RIGHT ACQUISITION IS FOR US WITH A LOT OF TIMES WE WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS WE NEED EASEMENTS SAME IS TRUE FOR OUR OTHER CITY PROJECTS. CONTRACTOR AVAILABILITY AND CAPACITY IS CONTINUING TO BE AN ISSUE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS ISLAND THE PRIVATE COMMUNITIES AND US AS WELL ALL COMPETING FOR A SMALL POOL OF RESOURCES TO DO THIS WORK FOR US. SO THAT IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE AND AGAIN AT A CERTAIN POINT STAFF CAPACITY TO MANAGE THESE PROJECTS IS LIMITED AND I THANK YOU SO WELL AS OUR CAPACITY TO SO IT'S JUST SO THAT AT THIS STRAIGHT OH ALL OF THEM AND I'M GOING TO JUST CONFIRM THINGS AS I'VE HEARD THEM BEFORE COUNTY THE FEES ANNUALLY GOT IT ALL OF THAT MONEY COMES BACK TO HILTON HEAD SO IN TERMS ISSUES WITH STORMWATER WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUND IT SINCE ALL OF THE TAXPAYERS ON HILTON HEAD HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THAT MONEY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS OF THE STORMWATER ISSUES ON [00:30:03] HILTON HEAD. BUT THE PROBLEM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT AND IS THAT MATTER IS THAT CORRECT? FIRST OFF BEFORE I MOVE ON WHERE WE CAN'T CORRECT PROBLEMS OR THERE'S BEEN LIMITED ABILITY IS THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EASEMENT THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS THAT TAKE LONGER TO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET SURVEY AND A PLAT AND ACQUIRE A PERMANENT EASEMENT WHERE YOU KNOW THE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM WILL LEAVE LEAVE THE PUBLIC SYSTEM AND GOES THROUGH A SECTION THAT'S PRIVATE AND WE'LL NEED AN EASEMENT OVER THAT IN ORDER TO INSTALL OR MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT'S JUST IT'S A DESIRE IT'S A CHALLENGE IN EXECUTING AND GETTING THE WORK ACCOMPLISHED AND MARK DID, YOU WANT TO JUMP IN I'LL JUMP IN AND TRY TO INTERPRET SOME OF THIS SHORT ANSWER IS YES. I WE WE CANNOT SPEND PUBLIC DOLLARS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WHETHER THAT IS A STORMWATER SYSTEM AND BEAUFORT COUNTIES OR I SHOULD SAY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS DITCH SYSTEM LET ALONE A B FOR A COUNTY SYSTEM WE SPEND OUR DOLLARS ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND SYSTEM AND BACK TO YOUR POINT YOU'RE MAKING THE BEST ONE WATER WATER FLOWS DOWNHILL . IT DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE STATE COUNTY WHICH IS WHY NUMBER ONE IN OUR OUR BOOK THAT WE ADOPTED IS THAT FULL ASSESSMENT AND THEN AND LEAD IT INTO A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT SHOULD ALIGN WITH OUR PRIORITY INVESTMENTS WE ARE NOT ABLE AT ALL TIMES TO TAKE EVERY OF WAY EVERY UNKNOWN DITCH, EVERY UNKNOWN PIECE OF PROPERTY PUT IT IN OUR NETWORK SO WE CAN SPEND THE RIGHT DOLLARS ON IT TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT'S TAKING US SO MUCH TIME BECAUSE WE'RE REACTING TO IT RIGHT? WE KNOW WHAT THE TWO THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RIGHT AWAY SYSTEMS. THEY PAY THEIR STORMWATER UTILITY EA TO HILTON HEAD ISLAND AT A BUCK 50 RATE WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS WE COLLECT THE DOLLARS ACROSS THE STREET AS A SYSTEM THAT'S IN OUR RESPONSIBILITY LIST AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THE OTHER ROAD HALF A BLOCK AWAY IS NOT OURS. THAT IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. WHAT TAKES THE MOST TIME? A HARDER ANSWER IS HOW DO WE HOW DO WE PROVIDE THAT PARITY AMONG ALL OUR RATEPAYERS MOVING FORWARD? SO THAT I THINK THAT TOUCHES ON IT WELL IF I CAN USE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE SEASIDE SIDE WHICH IS A SYSTEM THAT IS OWNED BY THE EASEMENTS I GUESS THE SYSTEM WAS IN THE EASEMENTS THAT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE SYSTEMS GIVEN THOSE TAXPAYER ARE PAYING THE MONEY ON THEIR TAX BILL TO BE FOR COUNTY BUT IT ALL COMES BACK TO US I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER THE YEARS THAT THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY BE CORRECTED AND ADDRESSED BY HILTON HEAD BECAUSE IT'S A COUNTY SYSTEM ONE EXAMPLE SO I'M STILL NOT HOW THAT REALLY WORKS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY IF IT ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF PERMISSION THAT TO GET THAT DONE JUST TO THE PROBLEMS IN THOSE EASEMENTS OH THE ROAD OWNERSHIP REALLY IMPORTANT IN HOW THIS THIS WORKS AND THAT'S THAT SPEAKS TO THE LARGER PUZZLE THAT IS THAT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS AND FIGURING IT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S THE DOHERTY AND THE COUNTY BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM ON 80 SOMETHING PERCENT OF THE OF THE ROADS ON RAIL THAT ISLAND AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE TOWN IS MAINTAINED RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT REALLY REFRESHING AND IS IN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY ON TOWN ON ROADS SO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE TOWN TO GET THINGS FIXED WHEN IT MIGHT CROSS ONE RIGHT AWAY TO ANOTHER. BUT THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE OWNERSHIP THE OWNERSHIP OWNERSHIP OF THE RIGHT OF WAY DETERMINES WHO SHOULD MAINTAIN THE AND SO FOREVER I'VE SAID WE NEED TO OWN ROADS ON HILTON HEAD BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL HELP SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS. BUT WHAT I'M STILL NOT GRASPING SO ALL THE MONEY THAT COMES BACK TO HILTON HEAD AND EACH TAXPAYER OWNS DOES NOT ACTUALLY BENEFIT EACH TAXPAYER IF IF THAT IF THE ROAD AND THE SYSTEM IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY OR THE STATE I'LL SAY AND WE ARE WE ALL KNOW THIS BUT I'M FROM THE STATE THE OBVIOUS IS BECKER YOU'RE SAYING ALL THE MONEY COMES BACK TO US IT DOESN'T RIGHT. WE SAID THE RATE THAT WE ASSESSED THE $150 RATE COMES BACK TO US BUT ALL THE MONEY DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. [00:35:05] WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY VALUE COUNTY AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX FOR THIS WE DON'T JUST AT THE 100 AND THE 150 RATE WE ASSESS ON PROPERTIES BE FOR COUNTY ALSO ASSESSES AS WELL BECAUSE OWN ROADS AND THEY HAVE REVENUE AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAX COULD BE ONE SOURCE THERE ARE STORMWATER DOLLARS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT HE'LL PROVIDE AS DIFFERENT SOURCE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND ROADS WITH SIDE DITCHES THERE'S FUNDS FOR THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE BEFORE COUNTY DOLLARS THOSE AREN'T TRANSFERRED TO US. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SAYING ALL THOSE DOLLARS COME TO US. WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM STORMWATER AND FRANKLY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT I BELIEVE WE ALL WANT AT HUNDRED AND $50 WITH NO COLLECTED REVENUE FROM YOU FOR COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE I MEAN JUST WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME AND I CORRECT ME BUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IS THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS ON HILTON HEAD WHO ARE PAYING AND BECAUSE OF THE OWNER JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RESIDENT BUT BECAUSE THE OWNERSHIP IS PAYING FOR COUNTY IN ESSENCE THEY'RE PAYING TAX TWICE AND GETTING NOTHING THEY'RE BEING TAXED BY THE COUNTY AND BY TOWN AND GETTING NOTHING FOR I SEE THAT AS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE AND THE ROAD IS AN ISSUE THE ROADS ARE AN ISSUE THAT I HAVE EVERY TIME I GET AN OPPORTUNITY. SO WE NEED TO NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION TO AND TO OWN THEM. AND THEN ON THE PROJECT DASHBOARD I SEE MY INSURANCE POLICIES NEIGHBORHOOD STILL ON HERE AND I'M JUST AS TO A TIMELINE FOR THEM TO THEIR SYSTEMS CRAFTED I THAT'S A I'M SO COUNCILMAN BECKER WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FISCAL 26 PROJECTS IN JUST A SECOND SO SO HERE'S THE THE 2026 SCOPE PROJECT MAP THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU IN THE SKYPE WORKSHOP A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE'RE JUST TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THE THE STORMWATER PROJECTS AND HOW THEY KIND OF DISTRIBUTE ALL ACROSS THE ISLAND AND THOSE WERE ALSO SHOWN IN THE IN THE OVERALL CIP MAP. SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE THEM AND I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST HERE REAL QUICK IN A MINUTE HERE IS FISCAL 26 STORMWATER PROGRAM IP BUDGET. THERE'S THAT SIX JUST OVER $6 MILLION ARE ALLOCATED THIS YEAR ON THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S THAT'S THE SET ASIDE THERE FOR US TO IMPLEMENTING CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT OUR OUR PUBLIC SYSTEM CORRECTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM AND THAT'S FIXING AS FIXING THINGS THAT GO WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM DAY IN AND DAY OUT YOU KNOW EVERY TIME WE HAVE A BUNCH OF RAIN WE GET A BUNCH OF CALLS AND NEW THINGS ARE LEARNED ABOUT DEFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT BUDGET AND IMPLEMENT. THE SECOND ONE THERE IS THE GREAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S A POT OF MONEY THAT WE WORKED WITH MARK TO SUGGEST WE IMPLEMENT THIS YEAR AS A SEPARATE FUNDING SOURCE TO ENABLE REIMBURSEMENTS WITH OUR PRIVATE COMMUNITY PARTNERS IF THEY ARE TO HELP FACILITATE MOVING THAT FORWARD SO PEOPLE AREN'T HANGING AROUND WAITING TO GET STUFF DONE OR WAITING TO GET PAID FOR STUFF THAT GOT DONE PER THE TERMS OF OUR DRAINAGE AGREEMENTS. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE SLIDE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OF THE PROGRAM AND NOW TO THE MOON SHALL ROAD FOLLOW FOOT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S BEEN KIND OF A REALLY TOUGH REALLY TOUGH PROBLEM TO SOLVE SINCE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LOW LYING AND SO FAR AWAY FROM THE RECEIVING WATERS IN BROAD CREEK WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT ON A SOLUTION WE GOT A PRELIMINARY DESIGN DONE BUT WE HAD TO WAIT ON A GETTING OFF OF A WETLAND DETERMINATION FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THAT TOOK ALMOST 16 MONTHS TO GET WE JUST GOT THAT EARLIER THIS YEAR . NOW WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH FINALIZING THE DESIGN BUT AGAIN I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT EASEMENTS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF EASEMENTS WE NEED DOWNSTREAM OUTSIDE OF FALLING FIELD TO COMPLETE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM. I, I APOLOGIZE FOR JUST JUMPING IN. ARE THOSE PRIVATE EASEMENTS BUT WITH REGARD TO THAT AND SO THE REASON THAT WE NEED THE EASEMENT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE RELYING ON DOWNSTREAM IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A TOWN EASEMENT SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN THERE. OKAY PRIVATE PROPERTY EASEMENTS [00:40:03] HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT AND HOUSEHOLDS WAY WE HAVE AN ISSUE THE THAT AFFECTS STATE INFRASTRUCTURE TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND AND COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE ALL IN ONE SWOOP SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT PLANNING AND PERHAPS WORKING WITH DOTTIE AND OR THE COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT THAT AS A JOINT VENTURE DOWN THE ROAD THE MONEY SET ASIDE THERE IN YEAR ONE ARE FOR US TO COLLECT SOME SURVEY DATA AND DO SOME PRELIMINARY CONCEPT WORK. BRYANT ROAD POND POND RESTORATION IS THAT THAT'S ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THE TOWN PURCHASED LAST YEAR AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE TO RESTORE THE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM TO A WORKING CONDITION OF COURSE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN A LONG STANDING PROJECT THAT WE FINALLY GOT ALL THE ALL THE EASEMENTS THAT WE NEED THERE TO IMPLEMENT THAT COUNTRY ROAD DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET THE DESIGN DONE FOR A NUMBER OF SMALLER PROJECTS THERE TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG GUM TREE ROAD BETWEEN WILDHORSE ROAD AND US DRIVE HOURS CREEK OUTFALL THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT WE WERE MADE AWARE OF AS THE RESULT OF THE HURRICANE MATTHEW WE DETERMINED DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT THAT WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES FLOODGATES ON THE ON THE PIPES TO CROSS OUR NORTH ACROSS HIGHLAND PARKWAY SUCH THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER LARGE STORM EVENT OUR PUMP STATION WILL NOT BE OVERWHELMED WITH THE TIDAL SURGE AND INJURIES CREEK PUMP STATION WE DID AN OVERHAUL OF PERFECT PUMP STATION BACK IN 2021 TO HELP BRING THAT UP TO A FULL SERVICE AFTER SOME DEFICIENCIES NOTED DURING HURRICANE MATTHEW AND NOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT REPLACING ALL THE PUMPS THAT ARE REACHING THEIR END OF USEFUL LIFE. SO THAT'S A PROACTIVE MEASURE TO KEEP THAT THING IN TOP FORM MAIN STREET DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE SET SOME MONEY ASIDE THE LAST YEAR ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING SOME MOVE IMPROVEMENTS ON MAIN STREET AND WE HAD SOME MORE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT TO DO SOME CLEANING AND VIDEO INSPECTION OF THE PRIMARY SYSTEM TO TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF SHAPE IT'S IN OLD WETLANDS INDIAN TRAIL WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE TOWN INSTALLED A COUPLE DECADES AGO IS CAUSING A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH SOME DRAINAGE IN THE BACK YARD BETWEEN AQUA APARTMENTS AND THE OLD WOODLANDS COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR WITH DESIGN AND SURVEY OUTFALL IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS KIND OF A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BIG DEAL OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 15 YEARS OR 20 YEARS NOW WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING A AN INFRASTRUCTURE INVENTORY AND MODELING PROGRAM ISLAND WIDE. IN 2019 WE EXAMINED THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED DURING HURRICANE MATTHEW IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES FOR OUR SYSTEM BUT THE DEFICIENCIES ARE SO COMPLICATED THAT WE NEED AND MORE DATA TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO FIX IT. SO WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT PROGRAM AND ASSOCIATING WITH TWO OF THOSE NEXT PROGRAMS WATER LEVEL MONITORING AND WEATHER MONITORING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH AND JUST TO FINISH INSTALLING NINE WATER LEVEL MONITORING DEVICES IN THE PALMETTO HALL LAGOON SYSTEM AND TWO WEATHER STATIONS ONE ON THE NORTH AND ON COMMUNITY AND ONE ON THE SOUTH END OF THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE GOING TO USE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO CALIBRATE OR OR MAKE THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTED BY ANOTHER CONSULTANT WOLPERT AND 19 MAKE IT PRODUCE REAL WORLD RESULTS SUCH THAT ONCE WE HAVE THAT WE KNOW WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND, RELY ON THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THE PROBLEM. SO THAT IS A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT FOR US TO MOVE THAT THING FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN SO THAT WHEN WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WE CAN SOLVE IT RIGHT? CENTRAL ISLAND PUMP STATION ANOTHER SUPERCRITICAL PROJECT FOR US THAT'S THE POWER STATION IS SITUATED BETWEEN LONG COVE CLUB AND WEXFORD ON ON BROAD CREEK IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAINING MOST OF WEXFORD OUT OF LONG COVE , ALL OF SHIPYARD AND ALL OF NORTH FOREST DRIVE IN ADDITION TO THE COMMERCIAL AREAS ADJACENT TO GONZALEZ ALLEY AND NEW ORLEANS ROAD AND THAT FACILITY IS 22 YEARS OLD AND IT NEEDS SOME MAJOR DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS AND OVERHAUL ELECTRONIC CONTROLS A NEW GRAVITY BYPASS SYSTEM, DEBRIS SCREENS THAT CAN KEEP [00:45:05] THE DEBRIS FROM GETTING INTO OUR PUMPS WHEN. A STORM MOVES IN JUST TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCY. SO THAT'S A BIG AND THEN LAST LASTLY WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE IN THE COUNTRY THAT RUNS THROUGH CHINA VERY AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WAY DOWN YARD THAT WE USE ALL THE TIME WITH OUR CONTRACTORS ON OUR ROAD. I NEED TO INTERRUPT BEFORE YOU GO PAST THAT LAST SLIDE BACK UP ONE SLIDE AGAIN. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR TEAM LOOKING THESE CHALLENGES. IT'S SUCH A PATCHWORK OF SYSTEMS AROUND THE PATCHWORK OF SYSTEMS ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT ALL KIND OF ENGINEERING CHALLENGES. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR TACKLING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE NUMBERS I THE TOTAL NUMBER 6,350,000 880 AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU JUMP AROUND BUT IN LOOKING AT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN I SEE THE SAME BOTTOM NUMBER BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF SOME WORK AND THE SHELL MIDDEN AND ALSO THE I SHOULD REMEMBER THAT'S THE POINT COMFORT AREA OF COURSE THAT I TRIED TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE PAGES AND SAY ALL RIGHT THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME BUT WE ADDED TWO OTHER PROJECT AREAS POINT COMFORT 20,000 AND CHALMETTE AND 82,000. SO WHERE DID THAT COME OUT OF ? DID THAT COME OUT OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT PROGRAM? THE NUMBERS SEEMS TO STAY THE SAME. I DON'T SEE A CONTINGENCY THIS LIST SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAME UP WITH THE SAME BOTTOM LINE ON THOSE PAGES WHEN WE ADDED TO PROJECTS. SO IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE NOTE TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOTAL SAYS INCLUDING THE $505,000 FROM OUR PROGRAM CONTINGENCY IT CAME OUT OF THERE THAT NUMBER IS INCLUDED IN THAT TOTAL BUT IT WASN'T A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. IT WASN'T A PROJECT AND WHEN WE GET TO THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM YOU'LL SEE THAT THING REPEATED. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW WE WERE IMPLEMENTING THAT UTILITIES UTILIZING THAT CONTINGENCY TO START MOVING FORWARD A COUPLE OF RECENTLY IDENTIFIED VERY CHP PROJECTS ANOTHER CONTINGENCY ON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN SHOULD BE REDUCED BY THE AMOUNT OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS IT WILL YOU SHOULD SEE THAT REFLECTED ON THIS SLIDE WHEN WE GET TO THE SECTION BECAUSE I WANT TO JUST SUMMARY JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN WITH AN OBSERVATION MORE THAN A QUESTION THOUGH IS A BIG QUESTION ULTIMATELY THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EXISTS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY HERE THESE PROGRAM AND HOW IT MAKES THINGS AFTER A RAINFALL OR A STORM THAT SORT OF THING BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF SOME SUBDIVISIONS FOR INSTANCE ONES THAT WERE A RATE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE TO BEGIN WITH WHEN IT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED AND NOW IS A HIGH RENTAL WITH LARGE HOMES FAR MORE PEOPLE THAN EVER INTENDED USING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS OR THOSE SORT OF THINGS. HOW DOES THAT INTERPLAY IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF A STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT FUNCTIONS AND MOVES WATER CURRENTLY I KNOW OF COMMUNITIES WHERE JUST THAT EXAMPLE EXISTS WHERE WAS ARMED FOR NOW AMI WHEN TIME RESORT DEVELOPMENT WHICH 16 AND MOSTLY SHORT TERM RENTALS WHO ARE LOSING THEIR WATER PRESSURE AND THE ABILITY FOR THE DRAINS TO TO WORK WELL HOW DOES THIS INTERPLAY WITH THAT OR IS THAT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION IN MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS ESSENTIALLY WE ARE SO OVERBUILT SO OVERCAPACITY IN FACT I RECALL A STATEMENT INVITING FROM THE COUNTY SAYING THAT THE TOWN ALLOWED THESE COMMUNITIES TO BE OVERBUILT AND CAUSED THE BECAUSE OF THE OVERBUILDING AND THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM IN ESSENCE. SO WHEN A SUBDIVISION IS DEVELOPED EXCUSE ME THERE'S A MASTER MOTOR MASTER PLAN THE STORM MASTER PLAN FOR THAT COMMUNITY IS SUPPOSED TO ALLOW FOR THE BUILD OUT OF THE TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS AS THE [00:50:02] IMPERVIOUS CONTRIBUTIONS WHEN WE HAVE OLDER COMMUNITIES THAT WERE NOT PART OF A FORMAL SUBDIVISION THINGS GET A LITTLE MORE TRICKY BECAUSE A ROAD WAS PUT IN AND IN THE AND THE ENTITY THAT OWNED THE ROAD WHEN IT WAS PUT IN YOU KNOW IT UP TO DRAIN THE ROADWAY AND TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION MIGHT BE FROM THOSE PROPERTIES. BUT THERE ISN'T A THERE ISN'T FOR THESE OR SOME OF THESE OUR COMMUNITIES THERE ISN'T A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD GUIDE THAT SO THAT THAT COMES TO POLICY LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS OUR MAIN TOOL TO ADDRESS SORTS OF ISSUES. BUT TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF A POLICY IN THE OLDER COMMUNITIES IS THAT A TOWN POLICY OR WHOSE POLICY WOULD THAT BE OR IT'S NOT IT'S IN OTHER WORDS IT'S NOT THE SORT OF THING WE CAN ADDRESS DIRECTLY WITH STORMWATER MONEY. IT'S MORE OF A PLANNING AND POLICY INITIATIVE. I DO CORRECT PROBLEMS. IS THERE A SOLUTION FOR THOSE PROBLEMS BEFORE I HELP YOU? IS THAT A PEST ISSUE OR IS A TOWN STORMWATER ISSUE? WELL THINK A PEST WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING THAN STORMWATER IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY OF THE OF THE WATER SYSTEM AND AND THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM. I'M I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE QUESTION IS TO BE FRANK ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M TRYING HELP JEFF OVER HERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO LET THEM SCRAM. I CAN REPHRASE IT IN A WAY HOPEFULLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE. I MAY HAVE MADE IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IN OLDER COMMUNITIES WHERE SUBDIVISIONS WERE APPROVED BY THE TOWN AS MUCH AS 50 YEARS AGO WHERE DENSITY HAS INCREASED NOT ONLY DOUBLE BUT PERHAPS EVEN MORE. AND THE THE THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT IMAGINED TO BE BUILT THERE ARE NO LONGER THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH TYPE OF HOMES WITH A FAMILY ACTUALLY LIVING IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BUT INSTEAD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN BEDROOMS WITH 12 PLUS BATHROOMS AND MULTIPLE LAUNDRY ROOMS AND 20 PEOPLE USING THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THAT CHANGE IN USE THAT CHANGE IN DENSITY HOW DOES THE OLDER PRE-OP SUBDIVISION INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGE THAT? WHAT'S THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING DOES THAT IS THAT HELP AT ALL? DOES IT NOT BE A QUESTION FOR TODAY OR FOR NOW BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION BECAUSE THOSE SYSTEMS ARE NOT HOLDING THE STORMWATER WELL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAME FIRST THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG AND SO YOU KNOW ANYWAY I WILL CIRCLE BACK AT SOME POINT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PICK IT UP AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE BUT IT'S IT'S A PROBLEM. THANKS. ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS OF THE LIST THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT SOME THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR SOME TIME. THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND WE DON'T HAVE RESOLUTION YET AND. SO EXAMPLE METAL HALL YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES IS THERE IT BECAME APPARENT AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW AND SO WE'RE GETTING AND WE JUST RECEIVED WATER LEVEL MONITORING AND WEATHER MONITORING WHICH I'LL GIVE YOU THE BUT THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU HAVE SERIOUS DEFICIENCY YOUR WORDS AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE THE IMPROVEMENT COMMON FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND SO I KNOW PART OF THE CONCERN AND ISSUE IS FUNDING AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR CONVERSATION TO SAY WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THIS WE NEED TO HAVE APPROPRIATE LEVELS OF FUNDING AND WHAT ARE THOSE SOURCES SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON THESE ITEMS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. AND I TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST HEAR AND MOVE ON? I MEAN LET ME HAVE THIS BECAUSE THINK WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND SINCE IT'S WORKSHOP GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT STORMWATER PROGRAM $6.35 MILLION AND SO IT'S A LARGER PROGRAM IN YEARS PAST BUT IF WE JUST GO BACK TO LAST YEAR THE STORMWATER PROGRAM WASN'T WHAT IT IS TODAY WE'RE STARTING TO USE FUND BALANCE RIGHT AND FUND BALANCE HAS ACCRUED BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T INVESTED FAST ENOUGH AND I THINK THAT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT WE HAVE AS I WILL CALL IT A LEAN I WON'T SAY LEAN AND MEAN BUT WE HAVE A LEAN TEAM RIGHT AND IT IS MADE UP AN OPS MANAGER A WATERSHED OF THE BOARD BUT WHAT WE DUMPED OVER [00:55:06] TODAY AND NOT NOT ACTUALLY ON PURPOSE NOT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME WITH IT WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE STORM WATER UTILITY THE COUNTY STORMWATER UTILITY PROGRAM IS FOR IT'S FOR REGULAR REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE A STATE MANDATED UNFUNDED MANDATE TO PUT IN PLACE THE NEEDS STORMWATER PERMIT. RIGHT. SO WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR TIME WITH THOSE FOLKS UP THERE PERMITTING CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF THE STATE UNFUNDED THOSE FUNDS COME FROM I SHOULDN'T SAY UNFUNDED THEY'RE FUNDED THROUGH THE STORMWATER RATE. THEY'RE NOT FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE AND SO WE'RE PERFORMING THAT PERMIT. IT'S HAS A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE BUT YOU SEE WHAT IT IS BUT THEN ON TOP OF THAT IT IS FOR SYSTEM RIGHT IT'S REALLY FOR WATER QUALITY PROTECTION. SO WE DO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WATER QUALITY. WE ARE LOOKING AT WATER QUANTITY AND IT'S FOR FLOOD PROTECTION AT THAT POINT AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE OVER TIME IS AND I WILL SAY THIS CONFIDENTLY WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF STORM WATER A LOT DIFFERENT THAN OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS OUT THAT UTILITY AND WE'RE USING OUR DOLLARS TO SUPPORT SYSTEMS MOST MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDING THE COUNTY AREN'T MAINTAINING THE PRIVATE SYSTEM AND SO I THINK LOOKED AT 17 PROJECTS AND THERE'S MOST OF THOSE UP THERE ARE PROJECTS PROJECT MANAGEMENT RELATED AND SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IT'S FUNDING IT'S PEOPLE, IT'S EXPECTATIONS AND FRANKLY IT'S LITTLE BIT OF JUST REACTING TO WHERE THE CURRENT FLOODING OR THE CURRENT ISSUE IS AND I HAVE FOR SOME TIME AT LEAST MY TIME HERE IS TRYING TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THIS TO TRULY UNDERSTAND OUR COSTS. BUT OUR EXPECTATIONS HAVE CHANGED RIGHT IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS WE SAID HEY, THERE IS A SYSTEM DOWN THE STREET NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE THAT SHOULD BE IN OUR SYSTEM THAT OVERNIGHT BECAME ITS OWN PROJECT THAT OVERNIGHT BECAME ITS OWN ASSESSMENT MUCH, MUCH EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THAT SCREEN. SO I THINK TODAY GLAD TO HEAR THIS. I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK YOU FOR MORE PEOPLE AND MORE MONEY I THINK WE HAVE TO KIND OF STABILIZE OUR EXPECTATION. THIS BANKER YOU ASK A GOOD QUESTION IF IT STARTED AT FOUR AND IT'S NOW EIGHT, RIGHT. THAT THAT'S CAUSING AN IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM IS THAT SOMETHING THE TOWN COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE ON NOW TO SAY WELL IT'S A PROBLEM CAUSED BY LET'S TAKE THE SYSTEM AND INVEST IN THE SYSTEM THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH PRIVATE STREETS AND PRIVATE DITCHES THAT ALL PAY A FEE. I'LL PAY TAXES, I'LL PAY AND WHEN THEY CALL THE STORM WATER ONE ONE NUMBER THEY EXPECT US TO SHOW UP. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IT. I DON'T IT TO BE LOST ON WE'RE TRYING TO BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT OUR PROJECTS ARE WHERE WHERE WE SAID WE'D SPEND OUR DOLLARS WHERE OUR ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE IN STORMWATER WE'RE TRYING TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE KNOW THE COSTS ARE AND MOSTLY EVERYTHING YOU SEE UP THERE NEEDS AN EASEMENT OR TWO. YOU KNOW, MARK, I'D LIKE TO ADD THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE I THINK WE'VE BEEN BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL A LITTLE BIT AND WE TALK ABOUT KICKING THINGS DOWN THE ROAD. THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. I GO BACK TO 2018. I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT THE SAME. FORTUNATELY WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW WHERE GOT THOSE RESERVE FUNDS THEY'RE FINE BALANCES THAT WE CAN PULL FROM BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPLORING FIXES, RIGHT? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FIXES IN FRONT OF US. IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND AS WE TAKE ON THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITIES IT JUST DEPLETES ADDITIONAL RIGHT. SO THEN WHEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT THE FUNDING ASPECT THAT'S WHEN WE REALLY WILL DOVE IN MORE TO THAT. BUT YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S GOOD WE'RE ADDRESSING IT NOW. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO. I'LL JUST ASK ONE MORE THING OR MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POLICY AND I KNOW THAT THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS ARE IF NOT CREATED BY THE OVER DEVELOPMENT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CHANGE IN USE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PRIOR TO IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESSING PIECE AND IF THE PROBLEMS EXIST THERE WE CAN'T KEEP BUILDING AND BUILDING AND MAKING IT WORSE WORSE AND JUST AS AN ADDED PIECE THAT I DIDN'T PUT IN BEFORE WHERE THOSE THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOMES WERE ARE NOW HOMES THAT LITERALLY COVER EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO WHEN WE GO BACK TO [01:00:03] IMPERVIOUS THAT WOULD NOT NATURALLY ABSORB SOME OF THIS WATER IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE AND THEREFORE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO BUT TO FLOOD AND THEN SO THAT'S AN ADDED COMPONENT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IS PART OF THE POLICY MOVING FORWARD UNTIL A SOLUTION COMES IS THAT WE LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE THE PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS RELATIONSHIP AND THE AMOUNT OF USAGE A PARTICULAR WOULD PUT ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AGAIN, I DON'T EXPECT NECESSARILY AN ANSWER TODAY BUT I DO THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AND I'M NOT SURE IN FACT I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOLVED BY MORE MONEY PER SE. I THINK THESE ARE SERIOUS POLICY ISSUES WITH REGARD TO DEVELOPMENT AND CAPACITY. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WE WANT TO MOVE ALONG BEFORE. WE MOVE INTO A FIVE YEAR PLAN. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MAP THE 2026? YEAH, NO. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOLKS TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE TRULY SPREAD AROUND THE ISLAND WHICH MEANS TWO THINGS ONE IS WE'RE TRYING TO SPREAD IT AROUND THE ISLAND AND HELP LOCATIONS BUT IT ALSO MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WITH PROBLEMS. SO AND THE OTHER THING I'D POINT OUT I THOUGHT MR. ORLANDO WAS GOING TO STOP ON THE STORMWATER FUND BALANCE HISTORY . YOU LOOK AT JUST THIS PAST YEAR AND COMPARE IT TO THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WAS UNASSIGNED AND IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 ABOUT $6 MILLION BUT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET THAT DROPS TO 300,000 BECAUSE NOW IT'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO PROJECTS WHERE WE NEEDED AS THE MAYOR SAID WE WERE MORE WE'RE STARTING TO TRY TO CATCH UP NOTWITHSTANDING THERE BEING SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES WITH TRYING TO CATCH UP. I'LL ADD THE UNASSIGNED NUMBER DROPPED BECAUSE WE ESTABLISHED ALL WHAT YOU ALL APPROVED AND CELEBRATED AN ESTABLISHED FUND BALANCE RIGHT OF FORMAL FUND BALANCE RESERVE POLICY BUT WE ALSO ADDED A SIGNATURE ON A FUND BALANCE ASIDE THE ON BALANCE RESERVE CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS YEAR SO I WOULD AT THE END OF THE DAY IS STILL THE SAME A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND IS STILL SAME EASEMENTS AND THE SAME PROCESS AND WE OUTSOURCE OF OUR WORK AND FIND CONTRACTORS SO NOT HERE MAKING EXCUSES JUST WHEN I HEAR KICKING THE CAN TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS I THINK MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS. BUT I WANT TO TO KIND OF PAUSE IT A LITTLE BIT TO SAY IF WE WANT TO MAKE THE PROGRESS WE ALL WANT THE NEXT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT ABSOLUTELY QUICKLY WE CHANGE POLICY, RIGHT? BECAUSE BEFORE WE WERE WE WERE ONLY OFFERING REFUNDS. WE'RE TAKING A DIFFERENT APPROACH. SO THAT'S A MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO NOW WE'RE NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AHEAD, SEE WHAT WE GOT AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SO FAR IN THE STORMWATER UTILITY AS TO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. I TALKED I TALKED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS ON OUR 2026 LIST. WE CAN'T GET TO ALL THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE PRIORITIES IN ONE YEAR. SO TO SEE A LOT MORE THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS AS PRIORITIES AS WELL AGAIN JUST WANT TO HIT A HERE AGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT THREE SLIDES FULL OF PROJECTS AND WE'LL GET THE BOTTOM LINE ON THOSE TO GIVE OURSELVES A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINKING ABOUT FINANCES RIGHT. WE HAVE MORE WORK IN FRONT OF US THAN WE HAVE MINDED TO WORK. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE SLIDES BUT I CAN'T EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT SOME OF THOSE OUTYEAR PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE KIND OF NOT REAL DEFINITE THE FURTHER OUT A PROJECT IN OUR PRIORITIES, THE LESS SURE WE CAN BE OF THE COST SOME OF THESE HAVE NOT BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED YOU HAVE GOT IDENTIFIED PRIORITY SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL NOT TO GET STUCK THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE ON THESE BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH PRICING ENGINEERING JUDGMENT ON SOME OF THESE WE'RE WE'RE MORE CLARITY IS NEEDED AGAIN THE CHALLENGES REPEAT THEMSELVES I GUESS WE MIGHT STICK THAT ON EVERY SLIDE IT'S HARD TO GET CONTRACTORS HERE TO DO WORK THAT'S ALSO A CHALLENGE AND WHEN THEY DO BID ON WORK IT'S OFTEN MORE THAN WE THINK AND EVEN WHEN WE TRY AND FACTOR THAT IN SO SOME OF THIS SLIDE [01:05:06] IS A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT YOU'LL SEE ON 26 IS ALREADY FUNDED YOU CAN SEE SOME MORE OUT HERE STUFF THAT IS IS NOT AS WE GO DOWN THE NEXT TWO SLIDES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE OUT HERE AND A LOT LESS TIME HERE. SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE BUT THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO FOCUS ON IN A LITTLE MORE DEPTH AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING AROUND IT DURING THE FIRST PART OF THIS WORKSHOP BUT THOSE FIRST TWO LINE ITEMS RELATE TO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO REACTIVELY TO KEEP THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONING AND DO PROACTIVE STUFF WITHOUT DOING THE REACTIVE STUFF. WE GOT TO DO THEM BOTH AND VERY OFTEN WE LIVE REACTIVE WORLD AND TO GET MOVING ON TWO FRONTS WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT REACTIVE STUFF THAT'S NECESSARY TO FIX PROBLEMS THAT OCCUR, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT MOVING ALONG AS WE LOOK AT THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, I WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A SENSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PICTURE. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE ALL OF IT HOPEFULLY YOUR ON YOUR SIDE HERE IF YOU ZOOM UP ON IT AT HOME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION YOU CAN SEE THE INNOCENCE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ISLAND IS MORE THAN 80% OF THE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ISLAND AND MORE THAN 70% OF THE POPULATION LIVE IN PRIVATE COMMUNITIES. WE HAVE DRAINAGE AGREEMENTS NOW WITH 26 PARTNERS COMMUNITIES ON THE ISLAND. THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR I THINK THAT'S ON THE NEXT SO WE HAVE FINANCIAL FOR MANY MORE AND YOU CAN SEE AT THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR ACTIVE QUALIFYING CORRECTIVE PROJECTS AND HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED ALL ACROSS THE ISLAND IN PUBLIC PARTS OF THE ISLAND AND IN THE PRIVATE COMMUNITIES THEY'RE KIND OF COLOR CODED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF IMPORTANCE. THE ONE TWO FIVES ARE RELATIVELY LESS IMPORTANT ALTHOUGH EVERYONE'S PROBLEM IS LOCAL TO THEM IS THEIR BIG PROBLEM ON THE MEDIUM IS ON THE 6 TO 9 AND THEN A LOT OF THEM OVER NINE ON OUR 1 TO 20 SCALE. THERE ARE SOME STATISTICS OVER TO THE LEFT YOU RIGHT NOW IF YOU WERE TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE PROJECTS 38 OF THEM ARE IN THE PUBLIC SYSTEM HUNDRED AND 25 OF THE OF THE 163 ARE IN PRIVATE COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH AND AGAIN WE USE A 20 POINT SCALE TO EVALUATE THE SEVERITY OF AN ISSUE. WE TRY AND KEEP THAT PRETTY RIGOROUS TO HELP US HELP GUIDE US WITH PRIORITIZATION AND FIXES WHICH WE'RE UNABLE TO DO RIGHT NOW. SO THE KIND THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH REACTIVE MAINTENANCE IS THIS PIPES FAIL AND CRASH AND GET FULL OF THAT. THEY NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT WHEN THEY GET FULL OVER GETTING MATERIAL THERE'S JOINT FAILURES ALL OF THINGS. SO THOSE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY ENCOUNTERING AS INFRASTRUCTURE AGES AND I SPOKE TO THE 26 ACTIVE GREEN PARTNERS AGAIN THIS IS A THIS IS A OF OUR STAFF BUSY JUST COORDINATING WITH ALL THESE COMMUNITIES AS IN THIS VERY GROUP OF PARTNERS THERE ONE HAS A PROBLEM ONCE A WEEK IT'S A LOT OF A LOT OF TIME AND PHONE CALLS AND COORDINATION AND VETTING AND FIGURING OUT WHAT TO BE DONE AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP WITH THAT. BUT IT CAN BE TAXING ON THE STAFF TIME AGAIN LOOKING THERE'S A FEW MORE THIS YEAR THAT ALREADY HAVE ASKED FOR FOUR AGREEMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORY OF THE HOW IT'S STARTING TO TILT TO WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THE PRIVATE THAN ANY PRIVATE MEETINGS ON THE ISLAND. THEY'LL AGREEMENTS THEN WHAT WE'RE ALMOST AT THAT TIPPING POINT ASK YOU A QUESTION QUICK SORRY. OH OKAY, ALL RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME. OH, OKAY. SO OF THESE 32 POTENTIALLY QUALIFYING AND I KNOW THE OTHER THOSE ARE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS MOVING INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THAT IN A WAY OR A WAY EXISTS THERE TO BE AN AGREEMENT WITH CORRECT. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES WHO ARE TROUBLE AND IN NEED AND NOT GETTING THE HELP FROM THE COUNTY WHO DON'T HAVE HIGHWAYS PLACE WHAT IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY ? I KNOW WHAT COMMUNITIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT SO AGAIN IT'S ALL FOCUSED ON ROAD OWNERSHIPS THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO WHAT'S JUST FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR A MINUTE IS THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PUBLIC ROAD SO THE PUBLIC OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING DRAINAGE SYSTEM RIGHT AWAY AND VERY OFTEN THE RIGHT WAY IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAINING THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WHERE [01:10:01] THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE DRAINING TO AND RELYING ON THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEMS THEIR PROPERTY. SO IT'S IT'S A MATTER OF OWNERSHIP OF OF OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE MY PLEA ONE MORE TIME HERE TODAY AND PROBABLY HOPEFULLY I WON'T TO GO TOO MANY MORE TIMES IN THE FUTURE WE KNOW ON THE ROADS ON HILTON HEAD SO WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEMS FOR ALL THE COMMUNITIES SO I GOT A QUESTION I'M SEEING NEW DEVELOPMENTS ON HERE THAT ARE POTENTIAL QUALIFYING COMMUNITIES COULD THEY BE POTENTIAL QUALIFYING COMMUNITIES BEING NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT A NEW DEVELOPMENT COULD COME IN AND THEN SAY I WANT TO TURN IT OVER ,WANT THE TOWN TO TAKE CARE OF IT. THEN WE'RE INCREASING OUR LIABILITIES SO SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TODAY BUT I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A THOUGHT PROCESS DOWN THE ROAD IS THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE ANYONE ON HERE BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE FAIRLY NEW WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND THERE ARE NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. ARE WE SETTING OURSELVES UP WITH POLICY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BECOME RELIANT UPON THE TOWN WHICH IN TURN EATS AWAY AT THE AVAILABLE DOLLARS? SO I'M JUST MAKING A THAT'S NOT A QUESTION BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDITIONAL POLICIES IN OUR MODE. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS I HAD A NOTE FOR THE SAME THING WHY ARE WE TAKING OVER THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS? SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE ALREADY HAD AN IMPROVED THEMSELVES? AND I'M NOT GOING TO NAME NAMES EITHER BUT I DID MARK A FEW ON HERE IT SEEMED AS THOUGH WE SHOULD EXCLUDE THEM INSTEAD INCLUDE THOSE WHO NEED MORE HELP AT THIS POINT. YOU KNOW I WANT TO I WASN'T AS POSITIVE BUT I GOT A RESPONSE TO THAT. I WAS GOING TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF MR. MESSENGER. SO IT WAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES THE TOWN TAKING OWNERSHIP OF ROADWAY WHICH INCLUDE DRAINAGE IN MOST CASES AND YOU RESPONDED BY SAYING THAT THE OLD OWNERSHIP ALSO INCLUDES THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE DRAINAGE WITH IT. IS THAT JUST AN ASSUMPTION OR IS THERE SOME FORMAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE MUNICIPALITY WITH THE ROADWAYS EXIST AND THE COUNTY OR STATE AS FAR AS RESPONSIBILITIES ARE CONCERNED SO FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABOUT DRAINING ROADWAY RIGHT AWAY THAT'S WHERE IT ALL STARTS ONCE WATER HITS THE ROADWAY RIGHT AWAY AND NEEDS TO BE DRAINED WHEREVER IT HAS TO GO TO GET TO ITS OUTFALL. ITS FINAL POINT OF RELEASE YOU KNOW THERE'S VARYING COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE VARYING POLICIES ON THAT. YOU KNOW SOME OF THEM SAY WELL ONCE IT THE ROAD RUNAWAY IT GETS DOWN TO LOTS OR X NUMBER OF FEET BEFORE THEY SAY IT'S OUR PROBLEM ANYMORE OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES SAY WELL IF IT'S IT'S OF THE FILLING OUR RIGHT AWAY IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN ITS CONNECTION TO ITS ULTIMATE RELEASE WHETHER IT'S A STREAM OR A RIVER OR A TIDAL CREEK. BUT THE ROADWAYS ALSO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY ADJACENT DEVELOPED DEVELOPMENT TO DRAIN ON THE SCALE WITH LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT EVERYTHING CHANGES LITTLE BIT BUT THAT'S THE NATURE OF ROADWAYS IS THEY ALSO TEND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR TO TIE IN UTILIZE AND BENEFIT FROM A MASTER PLAN TO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS AS WE'RE HAVING A LARGER CONVERSATION MAYBE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALIZE RESPONSIBILITY AROUND STORMWATER BECAUSE YOU KNOW TAKE THEM ON A ROAD TAKES TAKES A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE STORMWATER RIGHT BUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THE STORMWATER IS SO CRITICAL TO US BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO RUN. AND I MEAN LET'S JUST FACE SOME FACTS HERE THIS IS A BYPRODUCT OF US INC. IS A LIMITED SERVICE GOVERNMENT AND WE WERE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU TAKE CARE SOMETHING AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING AND IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK WITH WATER BECAUSE WHAT IS GOING TO FLOW RIGHT SO. YOU KNOW IN MY MIND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH HOW WE PUT TOGETHER THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO DO IT AND THEN PUT IN SOME FORMAL AGREEMENTS WITH OUR PARTNERS AROUND STORMWATER NOT JUST NOT THE WHOLE ROAD BUT MAYBE JUST THE STORMWATER PIECE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING AND. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL [01:15:05] ABOUT PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE AS WE ADD MORE UNITS WE ALSO ADD MORE COLLECTION OF THE STORMWATER FEE AND IF WE DON'T HAVE OUR ACT TOGETHER HOLISTICALLY ON THAT THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EQUITY QUESTION HERE AS WELL. SO YOU KNOW IN MY MIND I THINK THE STAFF IS PUTTING IN FRONT OF US CLEAR AS DAY OR PROBLEM THAT MONEY. OKAY. AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE OVERCOME THAT AND I THINK FOR FOR US I THINK WE NEED TO SET ASIDE THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE THE STAFF HAS GOT IT UNDER CONTROL TO A DEGREE. LET THEM KEEP MOVING LET'S START THINKING 1020 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT THE RATE TO BE WHAT WE NEED TO BORROW TO GET CAUGHT UP MOVING FORWARD THE MAJORITY OF THE THE MAINTENANCE AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE BELONGS TO US BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES SETTING THE EXPECTATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE? BUT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK MONEY A LOT TO. I THINK WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE CITY THAT PAYING AND THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO GET IT. YOU KNOW, WE ARE AGGRESSIVE IN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS AS OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GET CLOSER AND CLOSER BUILD OUT AND THEN THROW ON TOP OF THAT THE AGING OF OUR COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THESE PLACES THAT WERE BUILT 30, 40 YEARS AGO, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS FAILING THERE. IT WAS FEELING THAT'S A BIG ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I GUESS A LITTLE EXCITED ABOUT THOSE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ONE STREET OR TWO STREETS THIS A BIGGER POLICY QUESTION AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND AND HOW WE'RE GOING MOVE IT ALONG INHERENTLY WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT TAKING ON ELEMENTS IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A NEW STORMWATER SYSTEM. THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU WANT TO TAKE ON. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SURE DESIGNED PROPERLY THEY'RE GOING TO LAST FOR 6070 FUNDS THAT ARE PAYING FEE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OUT OF THOSE NEW AREAS. OH YOU WANT TO TAKE ON THOSE AREAS HAVE TO TAKE ON THOSE AREAS THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL BUT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT TAKING ON OTHER AREAS AND YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE THEM ALL ON OH THIS IS A A OBVIOUSLY I'LL LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE I'M NOT ALL FOR 40 YEARS ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW I CAN NAME 15 SPOTS AND EACH LOCATION AND TELL YOU WHERE WATER STANDING ON A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ASKED ME BEFORE THIS MEETING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT A METERS PROGRAM PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL ITEM OSCAR WISE THAT WE COULD THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH OUR SYSTEM NOW BEEN MADE YET AS AND NOT ONLY IT NOT BEING MAINTAINED BUT I CAN GIVE YOU SOME VERY GREAT EXAMPLES A NEW HOME IN THE STREET AND EVERYTHING USED TO DRAIN PROPERLY INTO THE HOME AND THE REASON THAT HAPPENED IS THEY SAT CALLED FOR THE SPEC OF THE PLAN FOR THAT CULVERT THIS TWO HIGH AND NOW NO ONE ELSE WITH PITCHFORKS SO DO YOU DO YOU GO THROUGH THE BIG EVERYONE'S GOT UP TO THE TOP OF THE GRADE AND WHEN YOU DO THAT AND THAT'S THE NEXT COOL AND SO THIS THIS THIS HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND SO WHEN YOU GET CALLED IN FOR STANDING WATER SOMEONE'S YARD SOMETIMES THERE'S JUST NO PLACE TO TAKE IT. ABSOLUTELY PLACE TO TAKE IT SO YOUR PROBLEM BECOME OH FOR ME THE APPROACH WOULD BE A MULTI MULTI YEAR PROGRAM AND SO PROGRAM OUR FEE IS NOWHERE NEAR WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE TO HANDLE THIS PROGRAM. WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IN SEGMENTS OF THE ISLAND. WHAT WHAT PART OF THE ISLAND HAS THE RIGHT NOW? THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT BUT LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED. WE'VE GOT TO A $22 MILLION PUMPING SYSTEM. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE PRICE WAS TWO YEAR OLD PUMP SYSTEM [01:20:03] GOT TO BE REPLACED. WHAT'S HAPPENED IN ADVANCE OF THAT PUMP SYSTEM? NOTHING ON AND PUT OUT FIRES. WE'VE GONE AND GOT WATER OFF OF SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY OR OUT OF THE STREET UNDER THE HEAD WATER. WE NEED TO GO TO THE BEGINNING THAT PROBLEM AND SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITH A C ALL THE WAY TO THE OUTFALL THAT PROBLEM AND IT ALL IS IN OUR NEW PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOR THE NEXT 75 YEARS GOTTEN AND WE'RE TALKING ENORMOUS ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND WE ALL PUT OUR DOT ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US EARLY ON AND STORM WATER WAS THE LEADER AND BECAUSE STORMWATER IS IN THE BACK OF OUR HEAD IT'S THE IT'S THE UNKNOWN IT'S THE IT'S THE GHOST YOU KNOW YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AROUND FIXING POTHOLES AND AND GETTING OFF THE STREETS BUT AS A WHOLE WE HAVE TO GO FROM THE HEAD WATER TO TAIL WATER AND I'M THAT AND MAKE THAT BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECT PROJECT FIND THE MONEY AND ASK MAINTAIN IT. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND IT WOULD HELP JEFF AND HIS STAFF AND THE CITY AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION . LET'S QUICKLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. I CONCUR ALONG WITH THE POLICY ON DEVELOPMENT IT'S GOT TO BE PART OF IT. YOU KNOW AND I AGREE WITH YOU AS AN IDEA I'M GLAD MR. FOLLOWED UP WITH MR. NETGEAR'S DESCRIPTION OF THE THE ROAD STRUCTURE IS WHAT DRIVES WHERE THE AREA THAT YOU NEED TO COORDINATE I UNDERSTAND THAT SO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT THIS IDEA I'M GLAD THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS SITTING HERE BECAUSE IDEA IS THAT FOR THE COMMUNITIES WHICH ARE NOT NOW ORGANIZED SHOW A WHATEVER THEY MIGHT A SUBDIVISION THEY OVER THERE MIGHT CALL THEMSELVES AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A FIVE OR THESE AREAS I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A WAY TO DESCRIBE AREAS. SO IF WE CAN CREATE A DISTRICT AN AREA WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT AND SAY WE'RE GOING AGREE WITH X, Y OR Z COMMUNITY AND IT'S GOING TO BE GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINED TO DO STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS TO TAKE OUT OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO DESIGNATE AN AREA WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO GO THROUGH SET UP THEIR OWN CORPORATION OR APOA OR HLA WHATEVER KIND OF LEGAL ENTITY THERE IS. CAN WE NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY DESCRIBE THEM AND THEN SAY WE'RE HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT AREA I KNOW IT'S NOT A LEGAL AGREEMENT BUT WE'RE HAVING WE ARE GOING TO AGREE WITH THIS AREA TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND NOT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AN EXTRA FEE ON TOP OF THAT AREA. I'M JUST TALKING A WAY TO DESCRIBE THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN PUT THEIR PUT THEIR ISSUES BEFORE US OR. WE GOT A THOUGHT ON THAT AS I THINK WE GOT TO BACK UP FOR JUST LIKE A HALF A STEP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING I WENT BACK TO THE SLIDE ON PURPOSE TOM THANKS FOR BAILING ME OUT OF I HAVE YOU FINGERS GOING TOO FAR BUT I WANT US TO REMIND WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF EVERYTHING. EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT AND SO I DON'T WANT US TO WALK OUT OF THE ROOM TODAY THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING SOME AND WE'RE SUPPORTING OTHERS. WE'RE SUPPORTING AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHERE WE'RE SUPPORTING I'VE ALWAYS SAID AND I THINK MY TEAM'S HEARD ME SAY WE FIXED WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO FIX WE NEED A NEW ROOF BUT WE'RE FIXING SHINGLES. WE KNOW THAT AND WE ALL KNOW THAT AND WE'RE FIXING WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO FIX AND WE HAVE TIME TO FIX WHAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTIZE TO FIX OR EXTERNALLY WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE AVAILABLE AND HOW FAST AND HOW FAR CAN WE GET THERE AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO REIMBURSE AS FAST AS WE CAN BUT OUR OWN PROCUREMENT DOLLARS, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE SAY UP HERE WE ARE IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT BUSINESS OF THE MAIN STORMWATER WE ARE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE AS MANDATE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM MAINTENANCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THOSE FOLKS WITH POWER'S USE HILTON HEAD PLANTATION USE WHATEVER SYSTEM YOU SEE FINDS SINCE WE HAVE A VISITOR THAT'S NUMBER ONE BUT THE SYSTEM AGREEMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY I'LL JUST SAY I'VE INHERITED I'M TRYING TO JUST MAKE SENSE OF IT AND KEEP UP WITH IT BUT BUT THOSE SYSTEM THERE FOR CORRECTIVE MAINTENANCE NOT PREVENTATIVE RIGHT SO IT'S LIKE YEP WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD CLEAN IT OUT MAYBE BUT THAT'S NOT ON US WE CAN ONLY OR THE AGREEMENTS THAT [01:25:03] THE TOWN COUNCIL SET AND ONLY FIX IT WHEN IT'S BROKEN BUT WE HAVE AND TO THOMAS BECCA'S GOOD QUESTION WE ARE JUST NOT WORKING WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITH WITH A POP UP THERE YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE COUNTRY CHANNEL CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT I CHINABERRY YOU KNOW THAT'S A THAT'S A LIVE SYSTEM NOT RELIANT ONLY UPON CHINABERRY MITCHELL HILL ROAD WE'RE READY TO IMPROVE MITCHELL THE ROAD WE REFINE SOME PRICING TO US IT'S A ROAD PROJECT TO TO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS HANDLING SOME STORMWATER THAT CURRENTLY SHEET FLOWS IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS AND MAYBE INTO THEIR HOMES WHEN THE WHEN THE LARGER STORMS SO THERE IS NO PLAY UP AND DOWN MITCHELL WELL THERE'S NO PLAYS ON GUM TREE REAL GOOD ONE THAT WE HAVE HAD SUCCESS ON FOR YEARS HAS BEEN JARVIS CREEK PARK AND THAT WHOLE MAIN STREET SYSTEM WE'VE ACQUIRED MAIN STREET THAT WAS A LOT OF YEARS THE MAKING BUT WE'RE PROUD OF BEING HERE WHILE WE ACQUIRED IT AND VILLE WAS THE SAME WAY SO WE ARE PUSHING AND ACQUIRING MAJOR ROADS. WE'RE JUST NOT ALL THE COUNTY SYSTEM BEING MAINTAINED TO OUR EXPECTATION AND I DON'T MIND SAYING THAT IT'S THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAN YOU ALL EXPECT THEM THAN I THINK WE EXPECT BUT WE ARE NOT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PLAY BRYANT ROAD DOESN'T HAVE ONE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO WALK IN THE ROOM TODAY THINKING WE'RE ONLY SUPPORTING. BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT TOOK ME ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO TRULY KNOW OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS BECAUSE FROM JEFF HE WANTS IT BACK BUT STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING NONE THAT IS PREVENTATIVE ALL OF THAT IS CORRECT OF SOME OF IT IS REIMBURSEMENT BUT EVEN WHEN WE'RE REIMBURSING WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S PROCURED EXACTLY THE WAY WE PROCURE IT WITH THE FEW STAFF MEMBERS WE HAVE AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY BECAUSE MR. BROWN SAID IT WE HAVE MORE PROBLEMS THAN MONEY AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET A LOT OF THIS DONE IF WE HAD A LESS REACTIVE I THINK THAT STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IN DIFFERENT LAYERS AT DIFFERENT TIMES WILL BENEFIT US BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THAT'S THE PROACTIVE WE FEEL THAT THAT'S THE PROACTIVE MEASURE THESE THESE CORRECTIVE SYSTEM AGREEMENTS HAVE PUT US IN THE BUSINESS OF REACTING OH GOT ALL OF THAT BACK ON I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION AND JUST CLARIFYING. YES I KNOW THAT WE TAKE CARE OF ROADS THAT WE OWN UP TO MY ORIGINAL POINT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE MR. MANDEL'S RESPONSE. UM I AGREE I WANT MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS WELL AWARE HE'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB WAS WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE ON AND MAKE SENSE OF IT RIGHT BUT AGAIN A 30 YEAR DISCUSSION THAT IS CATCHING UP WITH US SO I THINK WHAT I'M REALLY HIM IS IT'S TIME FOR US TO LEVEL UP AND WE NEEDS TO AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST SO I'M INTERESTED IN AS MUCH OF A ROLE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE BRAND ROAD WHICH IS GOING TO NEED MAINTENANCE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG MR. DECIMAL AND YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN I WOULD BUT IT'S GOING NEED AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE CONTRACT OUT THAT OUT TO SOMEBODY AND GET IT DONE I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT SORT OF IN MY MIND IS WHAT'S THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF US HAVING? A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A DEPARTMENT THAT WILL HELP US WITH THIS TO ME IS NO DIFFERENT FROM AS WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS WE STOOD UP CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GET US DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. SO LET'S FIGURE OUT FROM A GOVERNMENTAL STANDPOINT WHAT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH US LEVEL ENOUGH REALLY MEANS. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I GUESS THE OTHER PIGGYBACKING ON THIS IS BECKER AS FAR AS YOU'RE TAKING OWNERSHIP, I GUESS I'M GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION MAYBE IT'S A MR. COLTRANE QUESTION THAT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANSWERED TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IT IF WE TO TAKE ON OWNERSHIP OF THE STORMWATER NOT THE ENTIRE ROAD IS THAT AND COUNCILMAN REED'S LEVELS AND HE CAN HEAR US I'LL CALL HIM AND TELL HIM BUT IF THAT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE'LL ALSO BE SOME FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE AGREEMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FIGURE OF DISCUSSION IF 80% OF OUR ROADS ARE OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND OF THOSE 80% [01:30:01] STORMWATER IS ASSOCIATED THAT AND WE ARE HAVING A BIGGER CONVERSATION ABOUT STORMWATER. WELL SOMEHOW GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING BACK SOME FUNDS IF IT'S THROUGH THEIR ROAD USAGE FEES WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALLOCATING TO THE STORMWATER PIECE OF THEIR MAINTENANCE AND SEE HOW DO WE GET SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK HERE TO HELP WITH THIS? THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION THEY GOT THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT AS WELL. I CONCUR ON THAT EVERY TIME HEAR WE WANT TO TAKE OVER OUR ROADS. I ALWAYS SAY IN THE BACK OF MY MIND AND ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF CONDITION WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE BEFORE THEY GIVE IT TO US. WELL, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIABILITY BE IN THE FUTURE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIVE ABILITY THAT WE'RE SET UP FOR SUCCESS WITH THAT ANSWER THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT CORRECTING THAT HAVE GONE ON IN THE PAST THAT HAVE DETERIORATED AND I THINK WE ALL KEEP IN MIND AND SHOULD KEEP IN WE ARE LIVING IN DIFFERENT TIMES A WE NOT ONLY HAVE STORM SURGES AND HURRICANES AND SURGES OF WATER AND FLOODING OF STREETS RAINFALL. SO WE LIVE IN A DIFFERENT TIME AND WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSE AND IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS FOR MENTIONING THAT MR. ALFRED, I WAS WONDERING I THINK I OVERHEARD THE STAFF ABOUT IN AUGUST WE HAD A LOT OF RAIN WITHIN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND WE HAD FLOODING IN AREAS WE DID NOT. AND SO AS WE LOOK AT WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT IN THE SLIDE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS HOPEFULLY I MEAN WE LEARNED FROM SOME OF THE THINGS WE WERE ALARMED AT ALL OF THEM. BUT I KNOW SOME OF THE PRIORITY AREAS AND THEN FOLLOWING UP ON THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT 20% I'LL JUST CALL IT THAT WAY IS I WOULD ASK IF THE STAFF COULD IDENTIFY PRIORITY AREAS OF THOSE AND AND DESCRIBE THEM HOWEVER YOU WANT YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO CALL MY STREET THE SMILEY GIRL STREET BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO SMILE BUT ANYHOW SOME WAY TO DESIGNATE THOSE AREAS MR. LEONARD POINTED OUT A FEW ON 126 LIST BUT THOSE AREAS THE PRIORITY AREAS AND THEN GO TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROAD WHICH PROBABLY IS TO BE THE COUNTY IN A LOT OF CASES AND SAY THESE ARE OUR PRIORITY AREAS CALL THEM FIVE YOU KNOW I LIKE THE NUMBER FIVE SO CALL THEM FIVE PRIORITY AREAS AND THESE ARE THE ONES AND WE WANT TO BE IN THIS SITUATION AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR FUNDING IS AND WE NEED HELP WITH SECURING FUNDING FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEEDS SO WE COULD ASK THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF PRIORITY LIST LIKE THAT US TO TRY TO BE PART OF THE WHOLE ANALYSIS AS WE GO BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT BECAUSE THERE'S THE ECONOMICS OF INCREASED COSTS TO FIX ROADS BECAUSE OF THE WIDENING 95 RIGHT. SO IT'S ALL OF THAT AS TO WHAT YOU WHERE YOU PUT YOURSELF AND IN WHAT TIME. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE COMPLETE ANALYSIS. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE LET JEFF CONTINUE ON BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO UP THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECORD. SO I BACK TO BACK TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE PROGRAM SO WHAT I HAVE OVER THESE NEXT THREE SLIDES UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PROJECT IS MORE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A SENSE OF THE KIND OF THINGS WE'RE LAYING OUT AHEAD OF US THAT WE ALREADY KNOW WE NEED TO FIX. THERE'S OTHER STUFF THAT A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AND A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH WILL REVEAL MORE I WILL GO BACK JUST FOR A MINUTE FOR INSTANCE TO THE POMMEL HALL OUTFALL PROJECT AT FIRST AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW A LOT OF WHAT WE DETERMINED WAS THERE WERE SOME PIPES THAT FAILED, SOME PIPES THAT WERE CLOGGED AND IT WAS LARGELY THOUGHT TO BE TWO THINGS. ONE, THE LAGOON SYSTEM WASN'T LOWERED IN ADVANCE OF THE STORM TO A GREAT CAPACITY AND NUMBER TWO, THERE WERE BLOCKAGES IN THE EXISTING SYSTEM IN OTHER WORDS, MAINTENANCE ISSUE. IT WAS ONLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WHERE WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE POWER TO GET TO THE POINT WE REALIZED YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S UNDERSIZED INFRASTRUCTURE TOO. SO * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.