[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. GOOD AFTERNOON. HOW'S EVERYBODY? IT'S FINE TO BE HERE. WELCOME TO SEPTEMBER BEFORE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. I MEAN GORDON HERE VICE CHAIR AT HIM AND BECKER YOUR PARENTS DANIEL HERE CRAIG HERE JOHN GLOVER DAVID JOHNSON EXCUSE AND ANY KAZAK MANNING HERE TIM NEWMAN HERE AND CHARLES PERRY HERE WE GO AROUND THE ROOM STARTING BACK HERE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. MY NAME IS MIKE BRUTON NCDOT RC LOOKING FOR COUNTY GRAB BEEN WITH EMT ENGINEER TOM STRICKLIN WITH AN ENGINEERING BRANCH OF OUR COUNTY ENGINEERING RUSTY BRASS YOU FORGOT ENGINEERING OPEN ARE MR. JULIO YOU ENGINEERING MAYBE GORDON GOOD TIME ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A QUORUM PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLAY BY THE RULES AND THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
AND HAVE A SEAT. MR. HAMMOND HAS MADE IT YOU ITEM THREE IS WE'RE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS ANYBODY HERE WISH TO BRING ANYTHING TO THE ATTENTION OF OUR COMMITTEE A
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOR APPROVAL MINUTES IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATION OR CHANGES TO THE MINUTES CURRENT AND WE I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY I WAS APPROVED THANK YOU OH BUSINESS TRACER YOU'RE UP FIRST 3:00 AND[5.A. SCDOT DISTRICT PROJECT UPDATE/STATUS]
THEN THIS IS CONTRACT FOR 2010 MY LIFE IS COMPLETED HERE THOUGH THERE ARE SOME ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE RIGHT ABILITY I HAD OUR OIM ARE IN THE LAB I RUN IN THIS ROLE REPORT SO NEXT WEEK WE SIT IT OUT LATER TO LIKE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THEIR SOLUTION. O OH OH IN TERMS OF THEIR SOLUTION TO FIX THAT ROAD ALLEN CALLED ON NEXT LIKE ALLEN CAUSEWAY THREE 110 THAT ONE IS COMPLETED THE ONLY THING WE HAVE LEFT THERE WERE SOME VISIBLE POTHOLES NOTICED SO THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO MILL ABOUT 200 FEET BY 12 FROM THE SEWER LINE, DO A MILLING FIELD AND THEN COME BACK AND PUT THERMO. THEY'VE ALREADY REMOVED ALL THE SILT FENCING ON THEIR AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT ABOUT AROUND MID-OCTOBER THIS LAD RIGHT HERE I'VE KEPT IT UP IS COMPLETED ALL THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE WE'RE ACTUALLY IN CLOSE OUT SO UNTIL I GET THE FINAL CLOSE THAT PACKAGE SIGNED OFF BY DISTRICT I USUALLY KEEP IT UP THERE JUST SO IT STAYS VISIBLE 6248 PACK CHARLESTON HIGHWAY IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN OUT THERE YOU CAN SEE THE COMPLETE DIFFERENCE IT RAMS REALLY GOOD ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO THAT ROUNDABOUT AND GO BACK OVER THERE ON THE REST OF CHARLESTON HIGHWAY THEY DID THE RAMPS, THEY DID THE TIE INS AND RIGHT THERE WITH THE CAROLINA STORE I HAD THEM TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONCRETE PART OF IT. SO THAT MADE THE VENDOR VERY HAPPY I CAN FIX THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUE SEPTEMBER 22ND THROUGH THE 27TH AIPAC IS GOING TO HAVE PEEK OUT.THEY'RE DOING THE THERMAL THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING FINAL STRIPING AND ABOUT AROUND MID-OCTOBER THEY HAVE THREE ROWS THIS ACTUAL THIS CONTRACT WILL START DOING FAMILIES BACK AND PUNCH LIST PLANS END IS ANOTHER ONE 1640 THEIR RIDE IS PERFECT BASED UPON THE REPORT I RECEIVED MORE AND MORE IF YOU READ OUT THEIR LANDS IN THE FIRST PART IS WHAT AIPAC DID.
THE NEXT PART IS WHAT BLACK DID SO WHEN YOU READ ON THAT FIRST PART YOU DON'T FEEL ANY EMOTION BUT YOU GET THE NEXT PART. YOU GET KIND OF SORT OF THAT ROLLER COASTER RIDE.
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AND SO WHAT THEY WROTE TO LOOK AROUND LATE OCTOBER WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING FINAL INSPECTION AND PUNCH LIST ALLEN CAUSEWAY THIS IS THE OTHER PART THAT THEY DID.THE OTHER PART OF ALLEN CAUSEWAY IS WHAT LIFE DID WILL BE LOOKING AT FINAL INSPECTION ON THIS ONE ON MID-OCTOBER THEY REMOVED ALL THE SILT FENCING AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD EX-SLAVE DAMIEN ROEBUCK THEY'RE FINALLY GETTING ON THIS ONE GET IT DONE IF YOU GO DOWN RIBAUT ROAD YOU'LL NOTICE SOME OF THE NEW HEAD SIGNALS ON CASTLE ROCK ROAD SO THE NEW PEDESTRIAN RAMPS WERE COMPLETED AT RIBAUT ROAD AND RANDALL STREET AT THE INTERSECTION AND MEAN POINT BOULEVARD A US 21 INTERSECTION AT CASTLE ROCK AND ROBERT SMALLS PARKWAY IN A SECTION THE OTHER STALL FOR NEW SIGNAL HEADS AT JOE FRAZIER AND BROAD RIVER BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IS KNOWN FOR SIGNAL HEADS AND ALSO A HIGHWAY AND ROBERTSVILLE WAS PART WAY TO SUCH THEY INSTALLED FOUR MORE AND THEY'RE PROJECT TO BE DONE WITH THAT BY THE END OF THIS YEAR BUT THE WAY THEY'RE GOING AND PROGRESSING THEY'LL BE DONE ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF MAYBE TWO MONTHS. THIS LIGHT RIGHT HERE THIS ONE COMPOSES FOR ROADS AND COUNTY AND ACTUALLY ABOUT FOUR IN JASPER. SO WHAT AIPAC HAS THEY'VE COMPLETED THE THREE ROADS OVER IN JASPER COUNTY SO. I'M PUSHING WITH THE CONTRACT TO FIND OUT A SCHEDULE WHEN THEY'LL GET BACK ON THIS ROAD. SO IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT AROUND THE END OF OCTOBER, FIRST PART OF NOVEMBER AND THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE LEFT TO DO IS 40 MILE ROAD, CASTLE HALL ROAD AND FIRST BOULEVARD AND JUST BE A MILE AND FIELD WITH SOME FIELD OF PASSION. IT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO. THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT SLATED TO BE FINISHED. IT IS AS YOU KNOW OUT TO ABOUT FEBRUARY 2027. BUT WE PUSH THE CONTRACT TO KIND OF GET AHEAD OF THAT NOT TAKE THE ENTIRE TIME THEY DON'T NEED IT. NEXT LIGHT NEXT LIGHT DETOUR ROAD WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE, CLARENCE. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD FINALLY HAD THEM GO BACK OUT THERE WITH EIGHT PACK. THEY IT THE FINISHED DRIVEWAYS THAT WAS ACTUALLY WAS A SEE THEM RV BECAUSE PLEASE THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES IN BEAUFORT COUNTY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON TOWARDS THE END OF OCTOBER 1ST PART OF NOVEMBER NEXT LINE PLEASE AND THIS IS THE ONE I MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVE ADD IT TO THE NEXT SLIDE US TO THE ONE ALPHA THE TWO THAT LOCAL ROAD ALSO ROAD THAT RUNS RIGHT BY THE NAVAL HOSPITAL. THIS IS PROJECTED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF OCTOBER WITH THE WAY THEY PROGRESS AND THEY SHOULD BE FINISHED BY THE MID OCTOBER .
SO SEPTEMBER 22ND NEXT WEEK THEY'LL BE OUT THERE REMOVING THE OLD FENCE AND INSTALLING THE NEW THAT'S ABOUT 848 LINEAR FEET OF THE 96 INCH SECURITY CHAIN LINK WITH THREE STRANDS OF BARBED WIRE THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN ABOUT A FOUR INCH SIDEWALK AND ABOUT 140 LINEAR FEET OF CONCRETE CURVING GUTTER PORTION UPON 4 MINUTES THAT'S ALL ONE CRAIG PROBABLY REMEMBERS IT'S PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO MAYBE SIX YEARS AGO THAT THE MAYOR CAME AND THEY THEY WANTED THE SIDEWALK TO BE ADDED AND SO ON. IT WAS VOTED DOWN GOOD AS WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. IT WAS VOTED DOWN AND THEY CAME IN AND MADE A PLEA.
WE APPROVED IT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GAVE THEM $200,000 TO DO THE PROJECT.
I WAS UP MEMORY $200,000 TO DO THE PROJECT AND THEY DIDN'T IT THEY RAN INTO PROBLEMS WITH THE NAVAL HOSPITAL THE NAVAL HOSPITAL WOULDN'T GIVE THEM RIGHT AWAY TO BE ABLE DO THE WORK AND SO IT KEPT GETTING PUSHED BACK. D.O.T. WAS HANDLING IT AND EVENTUALLY WOUND UP BEING TRANSFERRED 100% OF THE YACHT AND YOU DIDN'T SPEND ANY OF OUR MONEY WE GOT $200,000 BACK AND D.O.T. PAID FOR IT. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A HISTORY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT DON'T YOU DON'T LIKE A LITTLE OF THE BACKGROUND FOR THAT PROJECT AND FINAL SLIDE WE'RE GOING TO BE THIS IS A NEW ONE THAT WE'VE INSERTED FOR A MORE OF A SUMMARY OF THE ALL THE SLIDES THAT FIRST 164 IS THE ONE FOR CHARLESTON HIGHWAY KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE OVERALL CONTRACT VALUE IS, WHO THE CONTRACTOR IS.
IT IS WHAT CRAIG MENTIONED. IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA IN TERMS OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM. ONCE THE PROJECT IS FINALLY DONE WE'LL PUT IN WHAT THAT FINAL COST IS AND IF THERE WAS ANY VARIANCE WITH A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE IN TERMS PERCENT COMPLETE IN TERMS OF TIME THAT SHOWS YOU THAT IN THAT AS WELL. SO THERE'S A FEW PRODUCTS OVER HERE THAT DON'T IMPACT YOU FOR CAMPBELL. I'VE GOT IT OVER HERE LIKE THE 2010 THAT ONE IS JEFFERSON COUNTY FOR FREEDOM PARKWAY. THEY'RE FINALLY FINISHING UP THE MAINLINE IN TERMS YOU MIGHT BE THEY'LL BE DOING PLANTATION ROAD AND OPENING NEXT WEEK BECAUSE OF ROAD RESTRICTIONS THAT WE DOING THAT ONE AT NIGHT AND THE ONE THAT I HAVE WE JUST CHECKED OFF THE 3740 WHICH WAS THE SIX PAVEMENT MARKERS FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT WHICH HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT'S THE WE GET THAT SLIDE BLOWN UP THE NEXT TIME.
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YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY IT GOT A LITTLE HARD RIGHT.ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TRACEY IF NOT
[5.B. DIRT ROAD UPDATE & COUNTY POLICY]
BRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MICROPHONE DOWN THERE? I THINK YOU HAVE ONE THERE.I'LL TURN THIS ONE OFF. OKAY. YEAH.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SET IT UP DOWN HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER QUICK LITTLE DIRT ROAD UPDATE FOR YOU BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT.
SO KELSEY AND PATTY BOTH INTRODUCED HIMSELF AS WE'RE GOING ROUND YOU MAY BE WONDERING WHY WE HAVE TO RIDE MANAGERS. SO PATTY, HOW MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE DEALT WITH OVER THE YEARS IS GOING TO BE RETIRING IN JANUARY SO SHE'S BEEN WITH YOU AND RIGHT AWAY FOR YOU KNOW A FEW YEARS NOW AND IS A GREAT HISTORIAN FOR THE COUNTY KELSEY IS WHO HAS BEEN SELECTED AND BROUGHT ON TO BE PATTY'S REPLACEMENT AND TAKE OVER THE ROLE AS RIDE AWAY MANAGER. SO SHE'S GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TRAINING WITH PATTY AND GETTING CAUGHT UP AND YOU KNOW, LEARNING YEARS OF HISTORY AND IS GOING TO BE THE NEW THE NEW HISTORIANS SO BUT WITH THAT WE WANT TO JUST COME BACK AND UPDATE ON THE CHARACTER ROAD PROGRAM AND SOME OF THE CHANGES WE JUST IMPLEMENTED.
SO DIRT ROAD 55 IS THE CURRENT PROGRAM WE HAVE NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY KICKED OFF CONSTRUCTION ON DOLPHIN WATCH BUT THEN THEY RAN INTO SOME ISSUES WITH BOTH WATER AND ELECTRIC SO HAVE NOW GOTTEN THAT WORKED OUT AND AS FAR AS EASEMENTS AND WITH JASPER SO THEY WERE BACK OUT THERE THIS WEEK TO START MOVING THE WATER LINE AND THEN THEY WILL BE OUT SHORTLY AFTER THAT TO PAVE WHAT THEY DON'T WANT THE WATER LINE .
THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE OVER TO JAMES DE WASHINGTON AND START MOVING THAT WATER LINE OVER THERE. THERE'S A 6 TO 8 INCH WATER LINE THAT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. IT'S BEING RELOCATED OUT OF THE ROAD AS PART OF THIS PROJECT BEFORE JASPER THOUGHT IT A GOOD TIME RELOCATE SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST AND ONCE THEY GET THAT RELOCATED THEY'LL GET THE CREW OUT THERE TO START DOING PIPE WORK AND PAVING AND THEN LEO GREEN WHICH IS IN DESIGN AND PERMITTING NOW WILL COME ON THE HEELS OF HOPEFULLY LATER ON THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT AND WE ALSO HAVE FREDERICA TAYLOR THAT WAS DONE IS AN ALTERNATE ON THIS ONE THAT HAS BEEN IN DESIGN NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK ABOUT SEEING IF WE CAN GET IT CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS CONTRACT AS WELL. SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME THAT PRESENTED LAST TIME SO I'LL PROBABLY RUN THROUGH THEM A LITTLE QUICK.
WE GOT SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS I WANT TO TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BUT SO THIS IS THE SUMMARY OF DIRT ROAD PAVING PROGRAM SINCE WE STARTED IT BACK IN 94 OR THEREABOUT.
SO OVERALL WE'VE PAVED 105 MILES OF DIRT ROADS IN THE COUNTY IN THAT TIME PERIOD THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A COUPLE CHARTS ABOUT THAT LOOKS LIKE BROKEN DOWN BY DISTRICT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ROAD SCHEDULED FOR IMPROVEMENT WHICH IS THIS NEXT SLIDE WHICH IS THE FIVE YEAR PLAN SO WE GETTING READY TO PUT OUT TO BID YEAR ONE OF THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN WHICH IS GOING TO BE GIBSON DRIVE YEARLY FARM ROAD AND ALICE LATSON DRIVE AND THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN STARTING OUT. SO AS FAR AS THE DIRT TO PAVE PROGRAM WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF WAYS HAS BROKEN DOWN THE FIRST IS PRIVATE ROADS SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE DIRT ROADS OVER THERE.
I THINK ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF THE DIRT ROADS IN THE COUNTY ARE PRIVATE SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY STATEMENT 15 AND 17 WHICH YOU HAVE A COPY OF POLICY STATEMENT 17 AND THE PETITION TO BRING A DIRT ROAD INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM IN YOUR PACKET SO BY POLICY STATEMENTS 15 AND 17 GOVERN WORK ON PRIVATE AND ALSO THE PROCESS TO BRING THOSE ROADS INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM SO TO BREAK IT DOWN AND JUST REAL AS EASY AS POSSIBLE THAT PETITION HAS TO BE FILLED OUT AND SIGNED 100% OF PROPERTY OWNERS NOT RESIDENTS BUT PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT ROAD AND THEN IT HAS TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL TO BE VOTED ON BY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THAT ROAD INTO THE COUNTY SO ARE ACCEPTED INTO THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY CANNOT GO OUT DO MAINTENANCE ON IT OR DO ANY ON IT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS LEGACY ROADS WHICH THESE ARE ROADS THAT YOU WE'RE MAINTAINED FOR LONGER THAN 20 YEARS PRIOR TO 1994 AND OUR ROADS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY IT ALL PRESCRIPTIVE SO RECENTLY WE WENT TO COUNCIL PUT A NEW ORDINANCE IN ON HOW TO GOVERN OBTAINING RIGHT AWAY FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY ON THESE ROADS BEFORE WE CAN PAVE SO THE FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT I SHOWED ALL OF THOSE ROADS HAVE 100% FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY EITHER DEEDED OR TO THE COUNTY OUT
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OF 172 ROADS THAT WE HAVE I THINK IT'S ABOUT 40 OF THEM HAVE FORMAL RIGHT AWAY SO THAT'S YOU KNOW ENOUGH FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS OF PAVING THERE ABOUT I THINK THERE'S 20 ON OUR CURRENT FIVE YEAR PLAN SO THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH TEN YEARS SO THE NEW PROCESS FOR THIS AND FINANCE IS IN THE PACKET ALSO AS WELL AS THE LETTER THAT WE WILL SEND AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THIS IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTED IS THE COUNTY'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE ROADS THAT DON'T HAVE FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT A LETTER TO ALL THE RESIDENTS AND ASK IF THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO DONATING THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS ROAD. IF SO, IF WE GET A MAJORITY THOSE PEOPLE WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO WORKING TO PROCURE LIKE FORMAL RIGHT AWAY. IF NOT IT WILL BE TAKEN TO COUNCIL A VOTE IF THEY CHOOSE TO CEASE MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD AND IT WILL BE UP TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT IF WE DO GET THE MAJORITY SAY HEY WE'RE INTERESTED AND YOU KNOW DON'T HAVE TO RIDE AWAY TO HAVE OUR ROAD IMPROVED AT SOME FUTURE TIME YOUR STAFF WILL GO OUT, LOOK AND SEE MUCH RIDE AWAY. WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THE STANDARD IS 50 FOOT BUT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH LESS WILL WORK WITH THEM AND THEN WE'LL START TRYING TO FORMALIZE THAT RIGHT AWAY IF WE GET 80% OR MORE THAT WE CAN GET FORMALIZED WE WILL TAKE IT TO COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE ON OTHER 20% AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE FORM OF CONDEMNATION SOME OF THESE ARE FRIENDLY CONDEMNATIONS WHERE IF IT'S AYERS PROPERTY THERE ARE NOT CLEAR TITLE OTHERWISE YOU KNOW IT'LL BE A TRUE CONDEMNATION BUT IF WE DON'T GET THAT 80% THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL AND AGAIN THEY CAN VOTE TO CEASE MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD IF THAT'S THE PATH THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE IS THAT BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT IF IT'S 80% OR LESS LEGACY ROADS WOULD NOT BE MAINTAINED ANYMORE. IT'LL BE UP TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT WHETHER THEY CONTINUE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WITH LEGACY ROADS WE CAN MAINTAIN THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY BUT WE CANNOT IMPROVE THAT SO WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OUT AND PAVE A LEGACY ROAD. WE CAN ONLY GO OUT AND GRADE IT CLEAN DITCHES IF THERE'S DITCHES THINGS LIKE THAT BASICALLY THAT IS IN BETWEEN HAS DITCHES BETWEEN THE DITCHES IF IT'S JUST A ROAD AND ANYTHING BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE ROAD WE CAN MAINTAIN BUT WE CANNOT BRANCH OUT AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO USE YOU TO DEFINE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OR AVOID AS A PRESCRIPTIVE AND PATTI CAN PROBABLY GIVE A MUCH MORE TECHNICAL DEFINITION IS BASICALLY THE COUNTY HAS MAINTAINED THE ROAD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY WE CLAIM RIGHT AWAY ON IT SO THERE'S NO FORMAL DOCUMENT SAYING WE HAVE IT BUT WE MAINTAINED IT SO WE HAVE PRESCRIBED OWNERSHIP. PATTI ANY MORE TECHNICAL YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT BRIAN IS CORRECT. IF WE BASICALLY ANYTHING WE MAINTAIN FOR 20 PLUS YEARS WE CLAIM PERSPECTIVE BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY PRESCRIPTIVE HAS TO BE SOMETIMES CHALLENGED SO LIKE TO GET LIKE A PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY IF THERE'S A PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S CHALLENGING PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD GO FOR A LEGAL PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY.SO WE'RE JUST SAYING IT'S ASSUMED PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY .
THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M PROBABLY CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF IT.
IT INVOLVES MORE LEGAL STUFF TO QUALIFY ACTUALLY FOR PRESCRIPTIVE AND I SAID I HAVEN'T RAN INTO THAT MANY TIMES I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BUT GENERALLY IS ASSUMED LIKE YEAH WE SAY WE ASSUME PRESCRIPTIVE UNTIL IT'S CHALLENGED AND YOU LEGALLY TRY AND MAKE IT A LITTLE LEGITIMATE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT AWAY IT'S IS EXACTLY I WAS EXPLAINING TO KELSEY AND I SAID IT'S LIKE SQUATTING RIGHT SOMEBODY YOU'VE BEEN USING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTIES FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND THEY'VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THEY'VE NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND THEN 20 PLUS YEARS LATER SOMEONE SAYING HEY THAT'S MY PROPERTY AND THEN THEY'RE CLAIMING SQUATTING RIGHT? SO IT IS SIMILAR TO THAT BUT WE'VE BEEN CHALLENGED AND I'VE BEEN TOLD LEGALLY THAT IF SOMEBODY DID CHALLENGE IT WE REALLY IT WOULD BE A TOUGH CHALLENGE FOR THEM TO PURSUE. IT'S A WHAT IS THE COST BECAUSE THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE LEGACY ROADS THAT NOBODY KIND OF GOES AWAY, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. BUT THERE'S A LARGE COST TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OF GRADING AND MAINTAINING THE YEAH I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT COST IS THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS I PROBABLY GET SOME MORE INFORMATION BUT I KNOW YOU SEE IT AND YOU THINK IT'S COME EXCUSE ME THE STAFF TIME TO BE OUT THERE GRADING IT BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THERE IS THERE'S THE COST TO BUY EQUIPMENT THERE'S COSTS FOR FUEL, THERE'S MAINTENANCE THAT'S REQUIRED TO
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IT SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THAT COST AND SO EVERY YEAR I MEAN WE'RE MAINTAINING THIS ROAD ON A 6 TO 8 WEEK SCHEDULE IS WHAT THEY SHOOT FOR.SO EACH TIME THEY GO OUT AND TOUCH THAT ROAD. THEY ARE INCURRING MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THEN THERE'S ALSO TRAVEL TIME WITH THEIR HUGE IN BIG GRADERS TO DO THIS SO THEY'RE DRIVING FROM ROAD TO ROAD. SO THERE'S ALSO AND TRANSPORT AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THERE'S THERE'S GOOD BIT OF INCURRED COSTS AND MAINTENANCE FOR THESE ROADS AND THAT BUILT INTO THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WE DO WHEN WE THE ROADS I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST PER MILE IS . SO THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM THE PAUL'S IN THE SAME CATEGORY AND COUNCIL HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AT GREAT LENGTH AND THAT IS THE WORK TO MAKE CERTAIN OF TRUCK OR AN AMBULANCE CAN GO ON THESE LEGACY ROADS AND IN THE LAST CONVERSATION WAS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TAKEN THEMSELVES TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THE ROADS WHERE THEY LEGACY ROADS AND THEY'VE GONE OUT AND TRIMMED THEM WITH CHAINSAWS ON YOUR OFF TIME ACTUALLY AND I'LL SAY THAT BECAUSE WE MAINTAIN LEGACY ROADS IF A IF A TREE FALLS LEGACY ROADS WILL GO. THAT APPLIES TO PRIVATE ROADS. THEY TRIED DO A YOU KNOW A ORDINANCE TO DO ONE TIME MAINTENANCE ON PRIVATE ROADS. BUT THAT'S A STATE LAW THAT WE CAN'T COUNTY FUNDS ON PRIVATE ROADS SO IT WAS ACTUALLY DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ONCE THAT CAME UP BUT THAT IS LIKE AN EMERGENCY LIFE STAGE LIFE SAVING SITUATION I THINK THE FIRE MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AS A LIFE SAVING FEATURE OR IN A STORM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A ROUTINE THING THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY DO WHEN THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT AND GRADING ROADS BY ANY MEANS. SO BRIAN, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 172 -40 OR WHATEVER AND YOU SAID I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU GET 80% OF THE RIGHT OF THE APPROVAL FOR RIGHT AWAY YOU'RE THEN GOING TO GO TO CONDEMNATION ON THE OTHER 20% IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL VOTES TO DO IT IF GET 80% AND JUST FOUR EASY NUMBERS IF THERE'S TEN PROPERTY OWNERS EIGHT GIVE US RIGHT AWAY THE OTHER TWO DON'T THEN IT WOULD BE TAKEN TO COUNCIL AND WOULD DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANTED TO PURSUE CONDEMNATION OR NOT.
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THE COUNTY WENT TO CONDEMNATION ON AN EXISTING COUNTY ROAD TO WIDEN IT AND YOU KNOW I MEAN IT WAS FOUR TWEAKING HERE MAYBE. YEAH, WELL WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO CONDEMNATION LOTS OF THE LEGACY ROADS HIM IS ONE THAT WE DID WE'RE ACTUALLY IN ACTION WITH PROSPECT ROAD IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS WITH THAT SKI ISLAND.
THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE ROAD WITH THAT ONE THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO GET A PRESCRIPTIVE INTEREST IN AND WHEN THE CONDEMNATION ON THAT BUT THAT'S A HUGE THING GOING ON. SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON BECAUSE WAS LOTS OF TIMES WHEN THEY WOULD REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THERE BE TWO AND AGAIN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AREAS PROPERTY LOTS OF AREAS PROPERTY SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO DO FRIENDLY CONDEMNATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND AND MR. GLOVER MR. DANIELS IS PROBABLY THERE AREAS NOTORIOUS FOR LOTS OF AREAS PROPERTY SO THERE'S IT'S VERY HARD TO TRACK SOME OF THOSE DOWN UNLESS THERE'S JUST ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S BEEN PAYING THE TAXES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
BUT A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS JUST HAVE A FRACTION. THERE'S LIKE COUSINS AND AUNTS, UNCLES, A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH IT AND THOSE PROPERTIES HAD TO GO TO CONDEMNATION SO IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY COMMON. IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ON EVERY ROAD BY ANY MEANS BUT IN MOST OF THE TIME IF IT DOES POP UP IT IS BECAUSE OF AREAS PROPERTY OR NOT HAVING CLEAR TITLE I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY RARER THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WANT THE ROAD IMPROVES. IT'S ALWAYS SEEMED TO ME THAT THE COUNCIL IS VERY VERY SHY IN GOING TO CONDEMNATION THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT WORD OKAY. YOU DON'T GET THE 20% COUNTY COUNCIL YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING OTHER WORDS FORGET THIS ROAD WHICH NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DO YOU STILL GRADE IT AND WHATEVER WHATEVER OR WHATEVER AFTER THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE COUNCIL DECISION. SO I TO PURSUE I TO CEASE MAINTENANCE THEY HAD TO CONTINUE MAINTENANCE SO THAT'S TO BE A COUNCIL DECISION. SO IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU DON'T IF IT DOESN'T GO TO CONDEMNATION THE 20% AND COUNCIL DOES NOT ACCEPT IT INTO THE COUNTY SYSTEM OR SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH IT THERE'S STILL A DECISION TO BE MADE
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WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE QUOTE MAINTENANCE ON A LEGACY BUT HOPEFULLY WITH THE FIRST STEP THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENT OF SENDING OUT THE LETTER TO YOU KNOW GAUGE INTEREST WILL PREVENT US FROM GETTING TO THIS POINT AGAIN. SO THERE'LL STILL BE A DECISION FOR COUNCIL MADE WHETHER THEY WANT TO CEASE MAINTENANCE OR NOT AS DOES ANYONE EVER QUESTION THE SPENDING COUNTY MONEY ON PRIVATE LAND. I MEAN OR SOMEONE HAS BUT I DON'T KNOW I BEEN ASKED ABOUT IT SO BUT WE DON'T I HAVE ROADS THAT'S WHY THE ORDINANCE FAILED . THANK YOU. YOU CRAIG HAS SOME OLD STORIES ABOUT YES. YES I DO WANT AND WE'LL LET IT GO AT THAT.YEAH WELL IT'S NOT LIKE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEEDS YOU'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT OR A SUBSTANTIAL COST AS IT RELATES TO THESE LEGACY ROADS.
ABSOLUTELY IF YOU USE I I WAS A GUY WHO WENT BACK AND DID THE STUDY WAS STARTING FROM 1994 TO 2024 BELIEVE IT WAS OR 20 TO 23 AND THE AVERAGE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS $1,000,000 WELL OVER IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN $1,000,000 NOW BUT IF YOU PUT $1,000,000 TO IT WE SPEND OVER $100 MILLION FIXING DIRT IN THE COUNTY AND THAT'S WHAT PRIOR TO 2016 THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMITTEE DID A LOT OF IS WORKING DIRT ROADS 2016 WAS THE DEMARCATION POINT WE ALL ALIGNED AND KIND OF SAID WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF TAKING CARE OF COUNTY ROADS.
SO THAT'S OF THE LEGACY OF THIS PARDON UPON. SO THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THE OTHER THIRD LEG OF THIS IS IF WE'RE WORKING TO IMPLEMENT THAT AUDIT THAT ORDINANCE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEND THOSE LETTERS. YOU KNOW THE THIRD PART OF THIS IS IF SOMEONE COMES IN THAT LIVES ON LEGACY ROAD AND WANTS THE ROAD PAVED.
SO BASICALLY AND THIS IS IN YOUR FILE ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHORTER LETTER FOR INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS THAT WILL GIVE THEM WE WILL GIVE THEM A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE.
WE WILL GIVE THEM THE PROPERTY MAPS THAT HAS THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY NEED RIGHT AWAY FROM AND THEN IT WILL BE UP TO THAT HOMEOWNER RESIDENT TO GET THE SIGNATURES OF THE REMAINDER OF THE ROAD AND THEN ONCE THEY GET THAT IT WILL FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS AS THE ORDINANCE OF IF WE GET 80% OR MORE IT'LL GO TO COUNCIL IF, WE GET 100% THEN WE'LL MOVE FOR FORMALIZING RIGHT AWAY AND GET IT THE LIST AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED SO JUST BECAUSE WE GET 100% RIGHT AWAY AND WE GET FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT JUMPS STRAIGHT UP TO BE PAVED NEXT YEAR. SO WE DO HAVE FIVE YEAR PLAN WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY CTSI IT BEEN ADOPTED AT THE PFC PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE AND I BELIEVE IT WENT THROUGH CONSENT AT THE FULL COUNCIL. SO THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL SO. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GO IN AND CHANGE IT.
SO WE DO THESE EVALUATIONS EVERY 3 TO 4 YEARS DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND SO THAT ESTABLISHES THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN.
SAME THING WE DO WITH OUR RESURFACING. WE HAVE ALL THESE FIVE YEAR LISTS THAT RUSTY AND RICHARD ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. WE HAVE IT'S THE SAME PROCESS FOR THE DIRT ROADS SO WHEN WE GET THAT FORMALIZED RIGHT AWAY IT WILL PUT THEM ON THE LIST WHEN THEY'RE EVALUATED THEY WILL BE SCORED HIGHER. THERE IS A PRETTY BIG PORTION OF THE RATING THAT IS FOR RIGHT AWAY RIGHT AWAY IT GOES INTO CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT USES IT ALL THIS GOES IN THERE BUT RIGHT AWAY I THINK IN THE LAST ITERATION OF IT WE RANKED HAVE IT HAVE RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE WERE RUNNING INTO IT WHERE WE'D GO TO PAVE A ROAD AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE FULL RIDE AWAY SO WE'D GET OUT THERE READY TO GO PAVE AND THEN WE COULDN'T BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE RIGHT AWAY SO THOSE ROADS THAT HAVE RIGHT AWAY ARE EVALUATED RATED A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BECAUSE OF THAT WAITING AND GENERALLY FLOW TO THE TOP.
SO IF YOU CAN GET THE 100% RIGHT AWAY IT WILL SCORE BETTER AND.
WE'LL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING ON THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN AND.
A FIVE YEAR PLAN WAS AGAIN OUTCROP OF WHAT OUR COMMITTEE HAS DONE PUTTING TOGETHER ROB MCFEE LIKE THE IDEA BASICALLY STARTED DOING FIVE YEAR PLANS FOR DIRT ROADS AND IT IS BECOME AN EFFECTIVE TOOL AND THIS EVEN JUST CLEAN THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AND IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN WE SHOWED EARLIER THAT'S THE SECOND FIVE YEAR PLAN WE'RE ON THE THIRD GETTING READY TO DO THE THIRD ROUND OF PAVEMENT EVALUATION SO WE'RE 115 YEAR PLAN BEHIND BUT THIS IS THE SECOND FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR DIRT ROADS THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO START OUT.
SO WE DO WE GENERALLY HIT THE ALL THE ROADS ON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN YEAH I THINK FOR THE
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PREVIOUS FIVE YEAR PLAN WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THOSE ROADS THAT WERE ON THERE AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WITH THIS NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN ALSO SO WITH THAT WITH WITH THE TRANSPORTATION TAX THE PLANNING PROCESS IS MORE COMPLEX SO THE DIRT ROAD FIVE YEAR PLAN IS FUNDED OUT OF OUR TAG FUNDS RIGHT.SO THAT IS MONEY THAT WE GET EVERY YEAR FROM YOUR REGISTRATION FEE FOR YOUR VEHICLE IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A SALES TAX WE WERE GOING TO ACCELERATE THE PLAN AND BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE QUICKER. I MEAN I THINK IT WITH THE WAY THE PRICES ARE ACCELERATING AND THE COST THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM TAG FINE IT'S LESS OR LESS GETTING DONE EACH YEAR SO IT KIND OF DRAWS OUT THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THAT HAS BEEN LESS SUCCESSFUL IN THE INTERPRETATION YEAH I MEAN WE THE TAX FAILED SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TAKE THE MONEY IT GOT THERE WASN'T OUR ROADS IN THE 2018 TAX I'M NOT TALKING DIRT ROADS I'M TO ROADWORK SO IS THERE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? IN OTHER WORDS ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT MAYBE DIDN'T GET DONE I MEAN I'D SAY THE DIRT ROADS ARE A DESIGN BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL COUNTY ROAD THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING DOT GENERALLY THEY HAVE LESS RIGHT AWAY THAN SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS DO BECAUSE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, MILES LONG VERSUS YOU KNOW, TEN PROPERTIES ON A DIRT ROAD SO THE OTHER QUESTIONS THIS YEAR IS ON THE CIRCLE K ISLAND. SO THAT IS OFF OF DAVID GREEN CORRECT. SO IF I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THERE'S ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT AWAY ON, CORRECT? YEAH BUT THERE I WAS TOLD ONE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOTHING DO WITH IT. OKAY.
AND EVEN ON I MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE NO PROPERTY AT ALL. OKAY WELL WE CAN LOOK AT THAT ONE AGAIN THEN. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY HISTORY ON THAT ONE PARCEL I LET BRIAN HAD ME LOOK AT THAT FROM AFTER YOUR LAST MEETING AND IT STILL HAS WHEN I LOOK ON THE TAX INFORMATION IT'S THE SAME PERSON THAT WAS WE HAD DEALT WITH.
SO WHEN YOU COME IN AND MEET WITH US WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS THIS MORE AND I CAN TRY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
I KNOW IT'S THE IT'S THE CORNER ONE WHERE IT'S BISECT THE ROAD BISECT.
SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHEN I LOOKED AT IT IT LOOKED LIKE THE SAME PERSON WE WERE DEALING THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT THE SAME PERSON.
SO THESE PEOPLE RIGHT SO SO WHEN YOU COME IN AND MEET WITH AS YOU AND I WILL DISCUSS THIS AND WE'LL GET OUR PEOPLE TOGETHER AND SEE AND THAT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE AREAS PROPERTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU KNOW SOMEONE THE OWNERSHIP GOT TRANSFERRED AT SOME POINT AND WE NEED TO TRACK THAT DOWN SO IT'S IN SOMETIMES THE IT TAKES THE COUNTY HAS LIKE 12 MONTHS BEFORE MAYBE IT'S UPDATED LIKE ON THE GIS SYSTEM YOU KNOW SO BUT I'M PRETTY SURE I DID A NAME SEARCH LIKE PUT IN THE NAME IF YOU PUT THE NAME IN IF THERE'S ANY TRANSACTION ASSOCIATED WITH IT IT'S GOING TO POP UP AND AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING POPPING UP BECAUSE HAD TOLD ME THERE WAS A DIFFERENT OWNER OR SOMETHING. SO YOU AND I WE CAN LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY. ALL RIGHT. AND KELSEY, MORE MORE TRAINING EXPERIENCE IN FAMILIES GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER AND YOU KNOW, OVER LAND AND STUFF AND QUESTIONS. OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, RUSTY. YOU'RE UP NEXT.
[5.C. CTC RESURFACING AND PRESERVATION PROJECTS]
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COUNSEL. WHILE RESURFACING THE RESURFACING OPERATIONS ARE ONGOING. WE HAVE HAD SOME WEATHER DELAYS AND OTHER UNFORESEEN SITUATIONS BUT BUT IT IS ONGOING EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE ALL THE D.O.T. ROUTES ARE COMPLETE. WE MET WITH MIKE UNDER THEIR BELTS AND THERE'S JUST A FEW MINOR PUNCH LINE ITEMS FOR THERMO SO ONCE THAT'S DONE WE CAN GET THAT PERMIT CLOSED OUT.THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THAT GOES INTO OUR LAST
[5.D. UPDATE STATUS 500-2000 ADT PROGRAM]
YEAR'S FUNDING. SO THE LIKE I SAID THE SECONDARY YEAR ONE AND THREE THOSE THOSE ARE COMPLETE YEAH. SECONDARY ROADS YOUR TWO IS THE 512 AND 80 AND YOU'RE FOR 500 0 TO 580 THOSE ARE FOR OUR YEAR PLAN AND THAT PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE 80 FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR AND THE REST OF THE 500 2018. THE EVALUATION REVIEWING WE[00:35:07]
HAVE THAT DOCUMENT FOR REVIEW BUT RICHARD'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WHEN HE GETS[5.E. CTC PAVEMENT REJUVENATOR UPDATE]
UP LAST ONE'S REJUVENATE AIR WHICH IS COMPLETE I WE JUST LEFT IT UP THERE AND I HAVE SAID IN THE NEW PROPOSAL FOR GETTING A PROPOSAL FROM THE YEAH PAVEMENT TECHNOLOGY THERE YOU GO THEY'RE GIVING US THEY'RE GETTING US THE CLOSE TOGETHER FOR THE YEAR NINE REJUVENATED AS WELL BUT HEY ANY ALL RIGHT THANK YOU MUCH AND YOU'RE UP NEXT AFTERNOON HI I'M[5.F. PAVEMENT EVALUATION AND MAINTENANCE YEAR 10 AND BEYOND]
PAMELA BERNHARD. I'LL BE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS NEXT ROUND OF PAVEMENT CONDITION PROJECT THE PREVIOUS PAVEMENT EVALUATIONS WERE DONE IN 2017 AND 2022 AND THOSE WERE THE BASIS FOR THE FIVE YEAR MAINTENANCE PLANS THAT ESTABLISHED WHICH ROADS AND WHAT TREATMENTS WOULD BE DONE ON THE ROADS. THIS SURVEY WILL UPDATE THE PAVEMENT CONDITIONS ON ALL THE COUNTY ROADS AND ALSO IT WILL INCLUDE SURVEY SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND WE'VE GOT AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT AND THERE ARE EACH EACH MUNICIPALITY WILL PAY FOR THEIR PORTION I WAS CHOSEN FROM SEVEN QUALIFIED VENDORS THAT SUBMITTED PROPOSALS AND THOSE WERE THE WRITTEN PROPOSALS WERE SCORED UM BY A TEAM VALUATION TEAM THAT INCLUDES SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE ENGINEERING STAFF AND THEN WE INTERVIEWED THE TOP TWO AND I WAS SELECTED AND THE TOTAL CONTRACT FEE IS $322,995 AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY CTSI IN BY AND IT WENT TO PFC AND AUGUST AND COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER ON THE AT THE EIGHTH MEETING SO CONTRACTS WERE SIGNED I GOT A COPY OF IT YESTERDAY SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO START ON THAT SO THEY SHOULD START SOMETIME IN OCTOBER AND IT WILL TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO COMPLETE THAT. I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND ABOUT THE JANUARY MEETING SCHEDULE ICE AND GIVE US AN UPDATE.OKAY. I CHANGED THEIR NAME. YEAH, YEAH I SAW HOW THAT SO THIS PROJECT DOES INCLUDES A SURVEY OF ALL THE PAVEMENT AND THEN THEY WILL CALCULATE THE INDEX SCORE FROM THAT AND THEN THEY'LL CREATE A PRIORITY LIST AND THEN KIND OF GIVE US AN ANALYSIS OF HOW OUR PROGRAM IS GOING SO AND THEN FROM THAT THEY'LL DEVELOP THE TEN YEAR MAINTENANCE PLAN AND SUBMIT A FINAL REPORT. UM, AND THEN THE ESTIMATES IN QUANTITIES FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS AT LEAST AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING ALL THE SURVEY OF ALL THE ROADS WE ASK THEM TO GO AND GIVE US A PRICE FOR COMPLETING AN INVENTORY OF SIGNS AND PAVEMENT MARKINGS AS WELL. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THAT DONE AND BUT THAT COST WILL BE COVERED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
OKAY ARE THERE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION YES, SIR. EXPLAIN WHAT I JUST MEAN ON THIS.
OH, I GUESS I SAYS THE NAME OF THE FIRM IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS I BELIEVE THEY'RE CONSULTANTS IN ENGINEERING CRAZY NAME THAT IS
[5.G. HILTON HEAD BRIDGES UPDATE]
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.YOU'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON JARED'S I GUESS I'LL TAKE THAT REAL QUICK SO I'M SURE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN UPDATE. I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE UPDATED ON THE GRANT APPLICATIONS I DOUBT HE'S WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THAT. THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THREE LANE OPTION UNTIL YOUR BACK AND THAT'S THE LATEST UPDATE THAT I HAVE SO YOU HAVE A DEADLINE BY WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE EASTBOUND ONLY OPTION IS REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON THE GRANT FUNDING AND WHAT COMES FROM THAT.
I THINK DOT IS HOPING TO FIND OUT WHETHER THEY AT LEAST MAKE IT TO THE SECOND SO THAT'S TO BE KIND OF THE DECIDING FACTOR. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHAT RESCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER IS NOT THE TIMELINE I THINK IS AROUND WHEN THEY FIND OUT YOU KNOW IF THEY MAKE IT THROUGH THE FIRST
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ROUND AND GET TO THE DISABILITY APPROVAL TO THE TWO OH I'LL WAIT THAT AS VAN BUT UPDATING IT NOW FOR THE THREE BRIDGE DESIGN AND OR THE GRANT GETS APPROVED SO THEY UPDATED IT OR IS IT A NO WAS IT ORIGINALLY UPDATED AND THEN I THINK IT'S I CAN CHECK ON THAT FOR YOU THOUGH SO BASED OR I'D HAVE A DEADLINE BY WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO ABANDON THE 10% CHANCE AND MOVE ON THAT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY BASED ON WHAT THEY HEAR IN OCTOBER OR WHENEVER THEY HEAR FROM THAT GRANT. OKAY. I KNOW I'M GOING TO REGRET THIS BUT THAT'S OKAY. I THINK LAST MEETING I AS THE D.O.T. PEOPLE THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THIS THEIR PROJECT NOW? IT IS A D.O.T. PROJECT AND THEY'RE THEY'RE RUNNING IT, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND SO ON.OKAY. WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S ROLE AS FAR FUTURE PARTICIPATION IS? A PARTICULAR ASPECT AS AN ACCOUNT STAKEHOLDER IN IT BUT IT'S TO BE FULLY MANAGED BY THE IT'S A CORRECT WIND PROJECT. YES. THE BRIDGE IS IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE THREE LANE BRIDGE.
NO THE ARE THE WESTBOUND BRIDGE IS GOING TO STAY AND THE EASTBOUND BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE A NEW THREE. I'LL PROBABLY REVISE THE DESIGN AGAIN BEFORE THEY START THERE'S THERE CURRENTLY THERE'S FOUR BRIDGES. OH YES YES SORRY IS GOING TO BE ONE BRIDGE. YES YES. WHY DID YOU SAY THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE TWO BUT JUST BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE IN I MEAN EVERY EFFORT THAT I'VE EVER BEEN ON OF THAT SCALE THAT TAKES YOU KNOW, THAT'S TAKING THAT LONG TO GET GOING TO GO BACK THERE.
THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THREE LANE DESIGN NOW AND THEN IF THEY GET THE GRANT THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY WILL GO BACK AND RE OTHER OPTIONS SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE THREE LANE BRIDGE WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THE NEXT INSPECTION OF THE OF THE EASTBOUND BRIDGE I WAS OH MY IS THAT ON A ONE YEAR INSPECTION CYCLE OR TWO YEARS I OKAY YEAH WE CAN FIND OUT THAT'S INSPECTED BY THE D.O.T. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INSPECTION SCHEDULE IS FOR THAT ONE WHETHER THEY'RE GENERAL INSPECTIONS EVERY TWO YEARS I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MY THIS PROJECT IN THE SENSE THAT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE FOUR BRIDGES AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS RELATES TO THE MAIN LINE.
SO IS THERE IS THERE A THREE LANE ROADWAY WORK? IS THERE THE FIRST TWO BRIDGES THAT GOES OVER AS YOU'RE GOING EASTBOUND? YOU'VE GOT TWO THERE NOW ONE OF THEM IS IN BAD SHAPE. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THOSE TWO BRIDGES THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE WEST ARE THE WESTBOUND STATE SPANS ARE GOING TO STAY THE TWO WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT SET OF FOUR OF TWO BRIDGES WHY DON'T I MAKE THIS A RECOMMENDATION? WHY IT'S UNFAIR TO PUT BRIAN BECAUSE BRIAN ISN'T EXACTLY THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE ANSWER THIS OR MAYBE INVITE CRAIG WYNNE TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND I'LL GO OUT AND DO THAT SCHEDULING BUT IT ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE I GET SHUT DOWN WHEN I START ASKING THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ABOUT THIS PROJECT YOU GOT THE WRONG GUY TO TRY TO ANSWER THE FORTUNATELY BRIAN IS THE ONE WHO'S REPRESENTING I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON BRIAN. BRIAN KNOWS THAT ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND 300 OR $400 MILLION ON I HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE? NO.
YEAH BUT AGAIN I WANT SOMEBODY TO TELL ME TWO BRIDGES. WHAT'S HAPPENED TO BRIDGES? WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THERE WIDENING WORK ON THE EXISTING ROADWAYS? NO. WELL THAT WAS A RHETORICAL BY THE WAY THE ANSWER IS NO.
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WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, RHETORICAL. I GAVE YOU MY I WOULDN'T BRING THIS SUBJECT UP ANYMORE. UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT A GUY STICKS TO HIS WORD BUT THIS THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN.ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. IT WOULD I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE BOTH JARED AND I WOULD LIKE WHEN I CAN BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A GOOD DEAL OF CONFUSION WITH REGARD TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT IS THAT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING PARALLEL TRACKS AND THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED WHICH WAY THEY'RE TO GO YET AND THAT'S REALLY THAT WAS THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT A DEADLINE BECAUSE THEY WERE THIS COUNTY IS GOING TO BE IN A PICKLE OF THE FIRST ORDER IF THAT IS LOAD LIMITED OR HEAVEN FORBID IT FAILS. AND THERE WAS ONE JUST UP THE ROAD A BRIDGE JUST UP THE ROAD THAT FAILED, YOU KNOW, AND I-35 AND MINNEAPOLIS SAINT PAUL FAILED BECAUSE I SAW IT SO AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE TO THE CHOIR BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE BETTER INFORMATION IF NOBODY ELSE IS INTERESTED AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS AT A MEETING.
YOU KNOW, I CAN TALK SOME PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE DESIRE YOU DO WHAT WE ALL WOULD LIKE YOU CAN DO IT. BUT WHY THE HECK DON'T YOU SAY SOMETHING THEN YOU'RE DOING ALL THE TALKING AND. THAT'S WHAT I AND NOW FOR OVER A YEAR BUT I DO WONDER ABOUT THOUGH IS DOES OUR MANDATE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH DO WE HAVE ANY? NO. NO.
AND SO THAT'S YOU KNOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF INTEREST FOR US.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS NOW OR WE'RE GOING TO DEMAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. IF YOU READ OUR SORT OF CHARTER
[6.A. PAVEMENT EVALUATION SCDOT SECONDARY 500-2000 ADT]
THAT'S RIGHT. ITEM SIX NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS PAVEMENT EVALUATIONS SECONDARIES 502,000 RICHARD, YOU'RE ON. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.CONNIE, I'M JAKE. GOOD YOU START TALKING. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'VE GOT A QUICK PRESENTATION TO ABOUT THE 528 ROADS THAT WE WERE PLAYING THE FIRST DAY FOR US THIS PROCESS WAS WAS TAKING THE DATA THAT WERE PROVIDED WHICH WAS THE SIDOTI PAYMENT OR THE INDEX UI AND THAT'S THE THE SORT OF THE ROADS ON THE 0 TO 5 OR CLOSER HOW ABOUT THAT GETTING ALL RIGHT SO SO LIKE I SAID A 0 TO 5 SCALE ZERO BEING THE WORST OBVIOUSLY ON THE VERY POOR END OF THIS UP TO FIVE IS A VERY GOOD SO SO THE DATA YOU HAVE THERE WAS PROVIDED TO US THAT THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE EVALUATED IT WE LOOKED THROUGH IT WAS COULD SEE IF THERE WERE ANOMALIES WERE THERE ANY ANY DATA THAT JUST LOOKED ODD MAYBE ONE ROAD OR MAYBE ONE SECTION OF A ROAD LOOKED ABNORMALLY THAN THE SEGMENT THAT IT WAS DECENTLY TAG ATTACHED OR OBVIOUSLY ON THE LOW END AND WE FOUND A FEW OF THOSE SO WE MAY HAVE MADE A LIST OF THOSE AND THAT BASICALLY FIELD EVALUATION OR REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT THE NUMBER THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THAT SEGMENT OF ROADWAY MATCHED THE FIELD CONDITION THAT THAT WE SAW IN SOME CASES YOU HAD ROADS THAT WERE THAT HAD BEEN RESURFACED SINCE THE LAST DATA COLLECTION HAD HAPPENED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO CORRECT THAT DATA TO GET IT TO WHERE WE NEED.
SO IN ALL THERE ARE THERE ARE 105 STATE SECONDARY ROADS THAT THAT HAVE AN AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC OF OF BETWEEN HUNDRED AND 2000 IT'S SEPARATED INTO 175 SEGMENTS AND IT MAKES UP AROUND 101 MILES OR JUST OVER 101 MILES OF THE STATE SECONDARY SYSTEM IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. HISTORICALLY WE'VE LOOKED AT THE OVERALL CONDITION OF THE ENTIRE SECONDARY NETWORK, BEEN AROUND A 3.14 KIND OF ON A WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF OF ALL OF THE SEGMENTS AND ALL OF THE ESSENTIALLY AREA OF STATE SECONDARY ROADS WITHIN THE COUNTY WHICH IS A IS A QUALIFIES IT IN THAT GOOD CATEGORY OF BETWEEN THREE AND 3.6. THIS SUBSET OF THE SECONDARY NETWORK IT AS A 2.95 WHICH IF
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YOU LOOK AT OUR SCALE IT KIND OF SKIPPED BETWEEN POINT NINE AND THREE.SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON THAT LINE BETWEEN GOOD AND FAIR AS THE NETWORK HEALTH OF THIS THIS SAID SET OF THE OR SUBSET OF THE NETWORK WHICH IS GOOD YOU KNOW AND IT ALMOST SPLIT 5050 BETWEEN THE FAIR AND POOR SO ABOUT 52% OF OF THE OF THE ROADS ARE IN THAT FAIR POOR TO VERY POOR CONDITION AND YOU HAVE 48% OF THE NETWORK IS IS EITHER IS GOOD OR BETTER SO IT'S ABOUT A 5050 SPLIT SIDE NOTE I THINK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WE HAVE A TOTAL OF TWO SECONDARY HOMES THAT ALSO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S THREE 6360 IS WHAT I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY I CAN HAVE THAT BUT I DON'T HAVE AN YEAH SO THE NEXT STEP ONCE WE HAD THE DATA WE ANALYZE THE DATA CAN IT WENT THROUGH THAT AND DETERMINED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD GOOD DATA ESSENTIALLY WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT IT AND RANK IT FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT AND WE UTILIZED A LOT OF THE SAME THAT DOD PROVIDED TO US YOU KNOW THINGS SUCH AS AND I THINK THE END POINT ON THIS BUT IF YOU LOOK ACROSS TOP YOU GOT ESSENTIALLY PAVEMENT CONDITION OR A ROAD BABY CONDITION ROUTE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THEN PERCENTAGE OF TRUCK TRAFFIC IS REALLY THE FOUR THE FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES THAT WE UTILIZED AND WE CREATED COMPOSITE OR A FORMULA TO CREATE A COMPOSITE SCORE OF OF THOSE CONDITIONS YOU WEIGHT THE EMBEDDED ELEMENT WE DID AND SO PAVEMENT CONDITION BEING THE LARGEST OF THAT 70% OF THE SCORE IS BASED UPON PAVEMENT CONDITION 15% IS BASED ON ROOT SIGNIFICANT IN PERCENT ON TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THEN 5% FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC. SO THE BACK AND FORTH THAT WE WORKED WITH BRIAN ON RUSTY ON TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A GOOD GOOD FORMULA AND A GOOD RANKING SYSTEM AND TO HOW TO CREATE THIS PRIORITY RANKING SYSTEM SO THAT WAS REALLY THE BASIS OF THE NEXT STEP WHICH WAS OR BASIS OF DECIDING ON WHAT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR EACH OF THOSE EACH OF THOSE ROAD SEGMENTS WE DETERMINED WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BRING IT TO A GOOD OR BETTER CONDITION SO WE WITH THAT WE ESTABLISHED A BASED UPON THE THE SCORE WE DECIDE AT A BUDGET LEVEL NOT NOT OUT OF BOOTS ON THE GROUND LEVEL AT THIS POINT BUT THIS IS THE BUDGET LEVEL BASED ON THAT SCORE WE'D SAY IT'S WITHIN THESE CATEGORIES 3.75 IS PRESERVATION, SO FORTH AND SO ON WHERE YOU GET DOWN 0 TO 1.7 WHERE YOU'RE REALLY DOING THE FOLD OUT THE RECLAMATION, THE RECONSTRUCTION, THE ROAD. AND WITH THAT WE PUT A PRICE PER SQUARE YARD WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE ROAD SEGMENT. SO WE HAD A KIND OF A BUDGET LEVEL ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR EACH OF THE EACH ROAD SEGMENT ALONG THE WAY.
SO THAT'S IT REALLY FOLLOWS ALONG WITH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT MANUAL THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS AND SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ESTABLISH THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WE PROPERLY WE ESTABLISHED NOW WE'VE GOT GOOD DATA WE'VE ESTABLISHED A PRIORITY RANKING AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED WHAT TREATMENT TYPE WILL BE WILL BE ASSIGNED TO EACH ONE OF THOSE ROADWAY SEGMENTS TO SHIFT METHODOLOGY WILL BE USED IN THE FUTURE AREA APPLES AND APPLES YES. YES. IT WILL ALWAYS BE AN ISSUE AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS THE UP TILL NOW WITH THE WITH THE EVALUATION AND THE EXECUTION AND ICE IS DOING THE GO FORWARD. YES.
SO THEY DON'T YET HAVE THE EXECUTION PIECE AIMED AT BOTH PIECES OF THIS OR YOU KNOW I'LL JUST CLARIFY SO THIS IS FOR DOT ROADS ONLY IF THIS DATA WAS GIVEN TO US THE DOT THE PAVEMENT EVALUATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO THE DATA FOR COUNTY ROADS.
THIS IS ALL DATA WAS PROVIDED BY THE DOT TO THE COUNTY SO AND AGAIN AS A BACKTRACK FIVE YEARS AGO IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD ALL THE DOT ROADS REALLY EXAMINED THEY HAD HIRED A COMPANY OUT OF CANADA COME DOWN AND DID EVALUATION AND THAT WAS THE FIRST WE HAD ROADS THAT HADN'T BEEN EVALUATED FOR 18, 20, 15 YEARS. SO BUT THIS IS JUST STRICTLY
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COUNTY ROADS AND ALSO A REFRESHER WE MADE THE DECISION LESS THAN 518 WE'RE GOING TO PUT 500 TO $600000 AND THE SAME WAS 500 OR 200 RATHER HAVING COMMITTEE MEMBERS TRY TO GO OUT AND PICK ROADS WE'RE HAVING A AM-T IN THIS CASE DO IT AND WE'VE HAD 0 TO 500 ALSO DONE AND IT'S NO LONGER SUBJECTIVE TO WHO'S WHO'S RESIDENTS ARE SCREAMING THE LOUDEST THEY STILL SCREAM BUT YOU KNOW OKAY SO THE THE NEXT STEP ALONG THE WAY WAS ESTABLISH THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND SO USING THAT PRIORITY RANKING SYSTEM WE HAD ESTABLISHED YOU CAN SEE THERE IN WHITE AND THE BLUE WHITE AND BLUE ARE THE ARE THE FIVE OR ACTUALLY THERE'S A 60 OR THERE'S THROWN IN THERE IN SOME CASES IN MY EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL UP A ROAD I'VE THAT IN AS THE SIX YEARS THERE ON AVERAGE YOU CAN SEE EACH YEAR YOU'RE GETTING AROUND JUST OVER A MILE OF ROAD YOU'RE FIVE IS YOUR FIVE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT BUT AND THEN ACROSS THE BOARD YOU GET AN AVERAGE ABOUT $605,000 PER YEAR. WE WERE WE WERE SHOOTING FOR 550,000 IN SOME CASES WE HAVE SOME LONGER SEGMENTS THAT THAT ROSE TO THE TOP THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO GET THERE SO WHERE IT GETS IT PUSHES THAT THAT ANNUAL COST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LIKE SO THESE ARE THESE ARE BUDGET LEVEL ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT AND SO SO THERE'S MAYBE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE IN THOSE NUMBERS EACH OF THESE ROADS THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THAT POOR VERY POOR CONDITION. SO THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOR THAT PATCHING MILLING THE REHABILITATION TYPE TECHNIQUES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BRING THOSE ROADS TO A GOOD CONDITION BRIAN EITHER YOU OR I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT SENT OUT TO THE COMMITTEE IN BIGGER PRINT SO WE CAN SEE YOU CAN READ IT ABSOLUTELY I GET NERVOUS WHEN THINGS IN TOO SMALL PRINT FOR US TO READ WHAT LIKE WHAT WHAT WHAT ARE WE SEE THE ONLY THING YOU'RE NOT SAYING THERE ARE NOTES ON THE FOREHEAD. OKAY IT IS THIS SMALL THAT WAS A SORT OF YOU KNOW THAT'S TOO SMALL. I'VE GOT THIS WE'VE GOT THIS AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND. BLOW IT UP AS BIG AS YOU LIKE SO SO BEYOND THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THE LAST THING WE WERE ASKED TO DO TO DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION BID DOCUMENTS FOR A NUMBER OF CONTRACTS BEING THE SECOND DAY ROADS THAT WE JUST WE JUST EVALUATED FOR 500 TO 2 3000 WAS YEARS ONE AND YEAR TWO AND THEN ALSO THE 0 TO 500 YEARS THREE AND FOUR AND THEN THE COUNTY ROAD PROGRAM YEARS AND NINE AND SO WE AND THAT'S PROBABLY TAKEN US THE LONGEST TO GET THROUGH AND THOMAS IS WITH ME AND THOMAS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH RUSTY ON THOSE TWO TO GET THOSE FINALIZED AND MOST OF THOSE ARE FINAL AND WE'VE GOTTEN PERMITS AND THINGS HAVE BEEN LET AND MOVING ALONG AS RUSTY HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER. SO THAT IS IT FROM OUR REPORT ON ON THAT QUESTION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU RICHARD. APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.WHAT OKAY. OKAY. FOUR MONTHS WE'VE HAD SOME
[6.B. BEAUFORT COUNTY STRIPING POLICY & CTC]
DISCUSSION CONCERNING STRIPING AND WHAT BRIAN'S GOING TO DO IS PRESENT A DOCUMENT THAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER ON IT AND THIS IS FOR COMMITTEE ACTION THEY WERE THIS DOCUMENT OF ACCEPTED WILL BE ADDED TO OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE WILL USE AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IT'S OUR POLICY NOT AND THE COUNTY CAN ADOPT IT BUT SO BASICALLY WE STARTED AND FOR THE LAST YEAR HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT STRIPING AND ON COUNTY ROADS WHEN IT CAME TO RESURFACING THE PAST POLICY WAS ALWAYS TO PUT BACK WHAT THERE AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE WORKED ON SO WE LOOKED AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE D.O.T. DID ON THEIR RESURFACING PROGRAM AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE B FOR COUNTY CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS ONCE WE GET THAT FINALIZED AND GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED AND UPDATED BY COUNCIL AND THIS IS GOING TO BE USED ON OUR RESURFACING IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THIS AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LOVE TO THIS IS NOT WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT DO THIS ON EVERY ROAD RIGHT AWAY BUT WHEN[01:00:04]
WE GET OUT THERE TOUCH A ROAD THIS WILL BE WHAT IS UTILIZED AND THE OTHER THING IS THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR COUNTY ROADS ONLY THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ON DOT ROADS UNLESS THEY APPROVE.ALSO WE WILL FOLLOW THEIR GUIDELINES ON THEIR ON THEIR ROADS ON OUR ROADS.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE . SO ALL ROADS THIS WILL BE FOR ALL COUNTY ROADS THAT WE RESURFACE STOP BARS ARE GOING TO BE ON ALL ROADS THAT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO START DOING RAISE PAVEMENT MARKERS SO THE REFLECTORS IN THE ROAD THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ON ALL ROADS SPACED AT 40 FOOT WHICH IS A CLOSER SPACING THAN WHAT IS GENERALLY REQUIRED. BUT THAT'S FINE. WE'RE GOING TO START DOING OUR OWN ROADS EDGE LINES IF THERE'S CURVING GUTTER IT'S NOT GOING TO GET EDGE LINES IF THERE IS A PAVED SHOULDER WE WILL PUT THE EDGE LINE AT THE EDGE OF THE TRAVEL WAY WITH A PAVED SHOULDER OUTSIDE OF THAT AND THEN LONGITUDINAL STRIPING LINES ON WHERE NEEDED AND THEN ALSO STRIPING IS GOING TO BE FOUR INCHES UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED AND WHICH WE'LL INTO THOSE OTHER SPECIFICATIONS AND A SLIDE DOWN THE SO PRIMARY ROADS SO PRIMARY ROADS ALL LIKE FOR US 21 TO 78 BLUFFTON PARKWAY BOB WALTER PARKWAY BOTH CENTERLINE AND EDGE LINE MARKINGS UNLESS AGAIN THERE'S CURVING GUTTER THEN NO EDGE LINES AND THIS IS WHERE THE SIX INCH STRIPING IS GOING TO COME PRIMARY ROUTE WITH SPEEDS EXCEEDING 45 MILES PER HOUR AND VOLUMES EXCEEDING 10,000 VEHICLES A DAY, THEN IT WILL GET SIX INCH STRIPING AND I'LL BE ON SECONDARY ROADS. THEY'RE GOING TO GET CENTER LINE AND EDGE LINE PAVEMENT MARKINGS IF THE ROADS ARE 20 FOOT WIDE AND HAVE A 500 OR GREATER CENTERLINE PAVEMENT MARKINGS WILL A ROAD ON ALL ROAD SPEED LIMITS GREATER THAN 30 AND THEN EXCEPTION IS THEY MAY BE EXCLUDED FROM SUBDIVISION OR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS IF THE SPEED LIMIT IS LESS THAN 30 MILES PER HOUR WHICH. IF YOU GO THROUGH A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS YOU'LL NOTICE THEY DON'T HAVE STRIPING AS IS SO.
AND THEN LAST PIECE OF IT IS MATERIALS ARE GOING TO NEED TO MEET ALL DOT SPECS WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ADHERING TO THAT AND THEN ALL OTHER PAVEMENT MARKINGS, BIKE LANES YOU KNOW ARROWS THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO MEET THE DOT SPECS IN THE MUTATED TCD SO THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED AND THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE POLICY THAT MR. GORDON HAS DESIGNED OUT OF THE CTSI HANDBOOK AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL START USING ON OF OUR COUNTY ROAD RESURFACING MOVING FORWARD. WE HEARD YOU WELL I GUESS ONE AND I THINK IT'S GOOD IT'S GOOD THANK YOU. IT'S GREAT BUT IS THERE IS THERE FUNDAMENTAL COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX UNIVERSALLY? I MEAN THERE'S I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COST DIFFERENCE I'LL BE VERY CLEAR IT'S GOING TO BE INCREMENTAL I MEAN STRIPING IS A PRETTY CHEAP THING IS IT'S THERE'S A QUANTITY SAVING SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO AN ALL OF 278 VERSUS DOING A BUNCH OF LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS YOU'RE TO GET A BETTER UNIT RATE THE FOUR INCHES STANDARD SO YOU GET SAVINGS THERE ALSO AT THE ALTERNATIVE CHANGE OF STANDARD THAT BE BETTER BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEE LIMITED RETURN ON YOUR SMALLER ROADS WHEREAS HERE HIGHER SPEED ROADS THE SIX INCHES IS GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF SEATING AND DURABILITY BECAUSE WHAT I SEE AND I GUESS RIGHT NOW WHERE SEE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MARKINGS ANYMORE IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T THE ROAD RIGHT? DOES THE ROAD GET SCRAPED INDEPENDENT OF THE RESURFACING. THE DOT DOES HAVE THEIR OWN STRIPING CONTRACT THAT ARE DISTRICT WIDE CONTRACTS. I SAY DISTRICT WIDE IT'S NOT JUST LIKE A COUNTY CONTRACT IT'S FOR ALL THE COUNTIES IN THE DISTRICT.
IT'S NOT ALL ROADS AS I KNOW ON BLUFFTON ROAD WHERE YOU MAKE THAT TURN INTO THE LIBRARY THAT THAT YELLOW LINE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO KEEP THE OTHER LANE FROM COMING STRAIGHT AT YOU IT AIN'T THERE NOW HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW THE GUYS COMING THE OTHER WAY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE A VISITOR THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MOVE OVER AND HOPEFULLY AS PAM MENTIONED IN THE PAVEMENT EVALUATION THEY'RE GOING TO A INVENTORY OF STRIPING AND AS PART OF THAT WILL BE A I SAY GENERIC QUALITATIVE ASSESSMENT OF JUST GOOD FAIR POOR AND HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO OUR OWN STRIPING AND MAYBE BRING THAT FORWARD IN THE NEXT GO ROUND TO LOOK AT DOING OUR OWN POLICY.
YES, SIR. AND GETTING INSIDE THE RESURFACING IS THERE A FREQUENCY BY WHICH TIME YOU WILL RENEW THIS? MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD BUT RENEW OR REJUVENATE THE EXISTING STRIPING I'D SAY AS NEEDED.
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I MEAN TRACY MIKE YOU ALL HAVE A EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU RESHAPE OR I WAS GOING TO CALL THE OFFICE TO PUT A WORK REQUEST BUT HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING WITH AS PAPER EVALUATION CAN START GETTING ON A CYCLE LIKE WITH THE RESURFACING WHERE WE GET ON THAT PROCESS OF YOU KNOW DOING A CONTRACT EVERY YEAR AND KEEPING YOU KNOW A CYCLE GOING WHERE A QUESTION THAT GOES TO THE POLICY SHOULD SHOULD THE POLICY NOT INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT RECOGNIZES THE NEED TO HAVE STRIPING ON A SET TIME I MEAN THIS IS IS GOING TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENTS BE OUR CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS YOU ALL WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO UPDATE IT AS NECESSARY SO I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THAT DATA TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT AS A COUNTY BEFORE WE CAN REALLY COME IN AND SET A SCHEDULE FOR IT. I MEAN THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GO IN AND GO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO EVERY SIX YEARS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW.BUT HOPEFULLY WITH THIS EVALUATION AND THIS RATING WE CAN GET A GOOD POLICY TO GO HEY THIS IS GOOD NOW AND THEN WE CAN GET THAT CYCLE ON AND WE CAN START BUILDING THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE OR SIX YEAR CYCLE OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. THIS IS A STARTING POINT.
YEAH THIS WILL BE SOME BASELINE SORT OF AND I MEAN SOME AREAS SOME ROADS WON'T NEED TO BE RESTRAINED FOR LIKE TEN YEARS AND OTHERS WILL NEEDED IN TWO YEARS.
SO MEAN THAT'S YEAH I THINK YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW STRIPING DOWN HERE VERSES UP NORTH WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SNOWPLOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO LAST A LITTLE BIT LONGER DOWN HERE. WHAT THEY DO UP THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE THE SAME AND THEN YOU KNOW, YOUR BLUFFTON PARKWAY VERSUS A SMALLER ROAD THE STRIPING IS GOING TO TAKE A BIGGER BEATING AND NEED TO BE REPLACED MORE OFTEN.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, ROAD CLASSIFICATION OR SOMETHING.
BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THAT BASELINE SOMETHING WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT IS EVEN THIS ONE WE GET MORE SOME HERE WHICH WILL BREAK OFF A LOT OF WATER. YES.
I MEAN YEAH AND A FEW FLOODS. SO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SAFETY MEASURE THAT I GUESS DRIVING AT NIGHT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE WE DRIVE BY RAIL AT NIGHT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ANYTHING AND OKAY THAT CAME BEFORE THIS IS A DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE COUNTY PAVEMENT MARKINGS GUIDELINES PROGRAM DO I HAVE A SECOND OPTION APPROVED AND SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY.
I WILL SIGN THE DOCUMENT AS WE SPEAK OR PLEASE WITNESS THAT FOR ME AND THEN TO BRIAN LET ME
[7. TREASURER’S REPORT]
JUST REPORT WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS.FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO WALK OFF TO THE ITEM NUMBER B I GOT TO GIVE CHRIS A GREAT DEAL OF CREDIT. SHE GOT OUR ANNUAL REPORT IN EARLY.
IT WAS A VERY REPORT IT IT WAS REALLY YOU GET A GREAT DEAL OF CREDIT FOR GETTING US IN AND YES AS AGAIN WE WERE APPROVED THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HAS BEEN IS VERY MUCH ACCEPTED AND APPROVED BY THE TEAM AND AS JUST AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY OUR REPORTS GET PUT TOGETHER THEY HAVE TO BE DONE BY ONE OCTOBER THEN D.O.T. TAKES AND RAMPS UP TO 46 COUNTIES IN THE STATE AND ROLLS IT INTO A DOCUMENT THAT GOES TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE YOU CAN SEE IT ONLINE IF YOU GO NCDOT IT'S A DOCUMENT ON THE STATE OR ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE BUT IT GOES TO EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL THROUGHOUT THE STATE JUSTIFYING AND SHOWING WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHERE MONEY OR MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT. CHRIS NOW ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION AND I SAID YOU KNOW CHRIS I'M LOOKING AT THAT BIG PROGRESS REPORT THAT WE GET AND I DON'T THING IS HARD TO READ IT'S HARD TO MAKE SENSE OF IT.
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CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE SIMPLER THAT WE CAN TOUCH AND BE EVERYBODY TO READ AND WE STARTED BACK AND FORTH? THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WORK IN PROCESS SO WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THE NEW C PHONE PROGRAM FOR 2026 IS SIMPLY THIS WE'RE SHOWING WHAT OUR PROJECTION IS IN DOLLARS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE UNDER THE DEPOSITS CODE YOU'LL SEE ANY EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN MADE GOING AGAINST IT THAT LEAVES A DOLLAR AMOUNT AVAILABLE FOR US TO SPEND IN THIS FISCAL YEAR 2026 YOU GO TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR PROJECTS LISTED SO THOSE THE PROJECTS ON THE TOP SIDE OF THAT TO GO AGAINST THAT AND SO IT GIVES US A RUNNING TALLY KIND OF LIKE A CHECKBOOK MORE LIKE IT.AND THEN THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY COMPLETED THOSE WERE IN OUR FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 MEANING WE DID THIS YEAR AND WE'RE NOW IN FISCAL YEAR 2026 BECAUSE IT STARTED IN ONE JULY.
SO I'M GIVING YOU THE PASS COMPLETIONS AND GIVE YOU THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THE PERCENTAGES ARE WHERE DOLLARS WERE SPENT AS WELL AS NOW WE'LL HAVE A DATA SHEET SHOWING WHERE THE DOLLARS SPENDING ON PROJECTS THIS YEAR DOES THAT HELP EVERYBODY? I'M CERTAINLY OPEN FOR ANY CHANGES YOU LIKE TO MAKE AROUND IT BUT IT WAS A KIND A LABOR OF LOVE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SOMETHING A LITTLE SIMPLER FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AND MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NATIONAL CONVERSATION THAT'S GOOD FRANKLY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ACTUALLY READ AND SAY OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THAT OR WE BETTER.
THAT LOOKS KIND OF SCARY SOMETHING OKAY. NUMBER EIGHT IS PUBLIC COMMENT
[9. CHAIRMAN COMMENTS]
IS THE FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT I'M SEEING ANY CHAIRMAN'S COMMENT MY COMMENT IS GOING TO BE A REAL QUICK DOWN AND DIRTY LAST MEETING WAS HERE AND TALKED ABOUT WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT GETTING MORE OF EVERYTHING SO TO SPEAK AND A RECOGNITION TO THE WORK WE'RE DOING ALL LOW AND BEHOLD TOMORROW AT 11:00 MY FAMILY GOING TO BE AT W H H I BEING INTERVIEWED SO SHE'S MADE SOMETHING HAPPEN. SO IF YOU WANT TO WHISPER ANYTHING IN CRAIG YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BUT YOU'RE VERY UNUSUAL.I'M I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WHERE WE STARTED FROM AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND KIND OF PAINT A PICTURE AS HOW THE CTSI IS GOING FROM NOWHERE TO SOMEWHERE AND RECOGNIZED BY BEING ONE OF THE BEST IN THE STATE. DECISIONS NOW ARE BASED ON RATIONAL QUANTITATIVE MEASURES THEN COMPARED TO THE OLD DAYS WHERE IT WAS OF EMOTIONAL SHALL WE SAY CORRECT. THAT'S ONE WAY TO SAY IT AND THAT'S YOU KNOW WELL I THANK YOU I RANG YOU 12 MINUTES OVER TO YOU BECAUSE I PUT IT THANKS FOR EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING ME
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.