Sep 15, 2025 Hilton Head Community Services and Public Safety Committee

[1. Call to Order]

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PLEASE FIVE DAYS OF HISTORY WHICH SPANS ONE NATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL THANK YOU.

[3. Adoption of the Agenda]

[4. Approval of the Minutes ]

[5. Public Comment - Non Agenda Items]

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MIKE FLASH BIRD LIVE AT THREE CAMELLIA O MY ISSUE IS WITH THE IMPORTANT REGULATIONS IN HOLIDAY HOMES DIVISION AND MY QUESTION IS IF PEOPLE HAVE A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE A LARGE GATHERING WHERE DO PEOPLE PARK WHICH WOULD BE A CHALLENGE OH BIRTHDAY PARTIES ETC. AND PEOPLE THEN HAVE NO ACCESS OR LIMITED ACCESS SO WHICH COULD AFFECT PEOPLE WHO HAVE YOU KNOW DISABILITIES. WELL THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND JUST AND SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG SHAUN IS IN THE ROOM SOMEWHERE AND I KNOW BOB IS OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY THE PARKING THAT WERE PUT UP IN HOLIDAY HOMES ARE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES AND NOT THE RESIDENTS. SO IF YOU AS A RESIDENT WENT TO A PARK ON THE STREET, HAVE A PARTY AND NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE STREET, THOSE SIGNS DO NOT PERTAIN TO YOU.

OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT ALL OF THE CARS ARE KEPT ON PROPERTY AND NOT ON THE STREETS AND SO IN AN EFFORT TO HELP ENFORCE THE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'VE GOT SOME SIGN UP SHEETS. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CALL THE NAME? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE CHESTER WILLIAMS FOR FIVE.

SO YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK NOT OKAY. AND WE HAVE DAVE FERGUSON FERGUSON. GOOD MORNING DAVE FERGUSON SHIPYARD.

NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY TODAY THIS DOESN'T REALLY PERTAIN TO THE AGENDA ITEM BUT IN A BIG WAY IT KIND OF DOES IT DOES TOUCH ON SAFETY AS WELL. I THINK THAT I TALKED A FEW WEEKS AGO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND TO THE TOWN ABOUT A LARGER STRATEGIC AND HOW I BELIEVE IT'S WAY TOO BIG AND AND THAT YOU SHOULD NARROW DOWN THE NUMBER OF GOALS AND I THINK THE OVERALL ELMO CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE GOING HAVE A PIECE OF TODAY AND TOMORROW WHERE WE'RE TALKING NOW ABOUT HAVING A TASK FORCE. I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO MY TALK FEW WEEKS AGO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL I SAID IT REALLY JUST LOOKS LIKE A STRATEGIC DISTRACTION AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE IS CONTINUING TO KICK THINGS DOWN THE ROAD AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS AN ITEM THAT'S BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD TO THE POINT WHERE IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S OPINIONS IT'S ALMOST TOO LATE TO DO IT.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU AS LEADERS OF THE TOWN AND MORE IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC WE ELECT OUR TOWN OFFICIALS TO US AND LEAD FOR US AND I BELIEVE THAT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON SO MANY ITEMS THAT WE SEE HERE ALL THE TIME IS NOT THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT WE IN THE TOWN EXPECT FROM OUR LEADERS. SO I WOULD ASK TO CONSIDER THAT AND TO THE PUBLIC I WOULD ASK YOU TO IF YOU'RE NOT ENGAGED START GETTING ENGAGED AGAIN.

I'VE HEARD FROM MANY OF YOU THAT SAYS YOU JUST KIND OF QUIT BEING ENGAGED, COME OUT, GET ENGAGED WITH US, SHOW UP AT THESE MEETINGS, START SOME SMALL GROUPS AND GET ENGAGED

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THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YES MR. COLTRANE IS BACK.

OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE MY NAME IS CURTIS COLTRANE WITH TO THE NO PARKING SIGNS AND HOLIDAY HOMES. YES THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WELL IT'S THEY'VE DECLARED AND PUT THE SIGNS THEY THEY DO HAVE APPLICATION IN SYSTEM WHAT ONE NEED TO REVIEW THAT THEN THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND THANK YOU IT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S ALL THE COMMENT FORMS THAT I HAVE. OKAY, PERFECT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS CHRONOLOGY FOR YES YES MA'AM.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE ROOM TODAY WE ALSO HAVE COUNCILWOMAN TURNER AND OUR TOWN MANAGER IS WITH US AND AM I MISSING ANYONE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL BUT I DO WANT TO OH IMPAIRED SO SHE'S NOT IN THE ROOM RIGHT THE SECOND BUT SHE HAS SHE IS HERE AND I WANT TO MENTION THAT OUR MAYOR IS FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER HE BE HERE BUT HE IS WATCHING ONLINE SO TO ALL OF YOU AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR DISCUSSION TODAY AS CHAIR I'D LIKE TO ESTABLISH THE PURPOSE AND FOCUS OF THIS MEETING.

WE ARE HERE TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH THE GOAL OF LISTENING TO EACH OTHER REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTALS ALSO KNOWN AS SHORT STARS. SO IF YOU HEAR THAT ACRONYM THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSING AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE ISLAND AND HOW THEY DETRACT AND HARM FROM THE QUALITY OF LIFE GENERALLY AND SPECIFICALLY WITHIN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND TRY TO ACHIEVE THE OUTCOME AND PROCEDURES AND IMPLEMENTING OF POLICY THAT WILL HELP TO ADDRESS THOSE GOALS. SO YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF THAT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR CONVERSATION AND INPUT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REFRAIN FROM HYPERBOLE AND OR HYPERBOLIC LANGUAGE AND PROPAGANDA THAT YOU'VE RECENTLY MAYBE SEEN ONLINE AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE STAY WITH THE AND I WANT TO HEAR YOUR OPINION OF THOSE FACTS. I THINK WE'LL GET TO THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND TO THAT END I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT HILTON HEAD ISLAND IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT CLOSED FOR BUSINESS WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND I'D LIKE FOR US ALL TO TAKE JUST A MOMENT TO REFLECT AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE MOST RECENT IN OUR COUNTRY TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS AND PRESENT OUR IDEAS, COMMENTS TO EACH OTHER AND A CIVICALLY CIVIC MINDED DISCOURSE SO THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE SOMETHING HERE TODAY SO THAT WE AREN'T KICKING THE CAN THE ROAD. OKAY. SO JUST A MOMENT FOR THAT AND I

[6.a. Discussion Regarding Short-Term Rental Regulations - Shawn Leininger, Deputy Town Manager]

TO PRESENT TO US SOME BASIC AND FOUNDATION HISTORIC REFERENCES FOR US TO CONSIDER.

GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION AND THE OPENING REMARKS. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS AND HOPEFULLY GET DIRECTION FROM THIS COMMITTEE AS IT RELATES TO SHORT TERM RENTALS REGULATION, INS AND OUR TOWN COURT ORDINANCE THAT IS AN EXISTING MORE SPECIFICALLY WHY WE'RE HERE IS IF YOU RECALL FROM WE WE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL FOR AMENDMENTS THAT WE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL BACK IN FEBRUARY.

ULTIMATELY THAT FIRST READING APPROVAL DID FAIL BUT AS AS THAT MOTION WAS MADE AND THE THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN RESULTED IN THE FAILURE WE WERE ASKED TO CONTINUE CONVERSATION AT A LATER DATE ALSO AS PART OF THE EFFORT 2628 STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN THERE ARE SPECIFIC COMMENT A NUMBER OF OF TOWN CODE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU WANTED TOWN STAFF TO CONSIDER.

THIS WAS ONE OF THEM. SO IT'S FOR THOSE TWO REASONS THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION IN ORDER TO TRY TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION, WE PROVIDED A LOT OF INFORMATION BACK FROM FEBRUARY WHERE WE LEFT AS WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS TOPIC

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WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN SOME ACTION TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE PROVIDED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS IN THE CODE TODAY WE NEED THE ABILITY TO MANAGE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY WITHOUT VALID PERMIT WITH FINES THAT ARE GREATER THAN THE COST OF A PERMIT. SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES AND OVER OCCUPANCY CAN INCONVENIENCE OR FRUSTRATING ON I'LL PAUSE FOR A SECOND WE'RE GOOD SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES AND OVER OCCUPANCY CAN INCONVENIENCE PERMANENT RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING NOISE POLLUTION, TRASH COLLECTION AND OTHER CONSEQUENCES HIGHER HIGH OCCUPANCY HOMES DO NOT HAVE FIRE SAFETY MECHANISMS AND HOMES ARE BEING BUILT FOR THE PURPOSE SHORT TERM RENTAL RESULTING IN STRUCTURES THAT ARE OUT OF SCALE IN CONTEXT WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT WAS REALLY THE UMBRELLA THAT LED TO A TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP THAT WE HELD IN SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR ALMOST A YEAR TO THE DAY WHERE TALKED IN GREATER DETAIL ABOUT PARKING AND ENFORCEMENT AND WHAT THE TOWN COUNCIL WANT US TO CONSIDER AS WE BROUGHT FORWARD CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DEFINE AN OCCUPANCY FOR CONSISTENT REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT FIRE SAFETY MEASURES THAT ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED CERTAIN SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WHAT WE PROPOSED AT THAT TIME WAS USING MEASUREMENT OF 3600 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER WE THINK ABOUT THE SIZE OF A STRUCTURE FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT THEY RESPOND DIFFERENTLY STRUCTURES THAT ARE 3600 SQUARE FEET AND LARGER RESPOND WITH MORE EQUIPMENT IN SHORT. AND SO WE WERE PROPOSING THAT WE REQUIRE MONITORED AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION SYSTEMS AND MANUAL FIRE ALARMS. WE HAD SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING COMPLIANCE FINES AND PENALTIES ,ESTABLISHING AN ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION PROCESS, THE ABILITY TO REVOKE OR SUSPEND. WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS PART THE LISTINGS THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT IS INCLUDED IN THE LISTING AND AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY THE OPPORTUNITY RECOGNIZING THAT LEASES OR RENTAL ARE BEING MADE WHILE IN ADVANCE OF THE VACATION GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AS WITH WHAT THE NEW REGULATIONS BUT I THINK THE LARGER THE LARGER UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAD IS THAT WE WANTED TO STRIVE FOR A BALANCE BETWEEN MAINTAINING OUR ISLAND'S CHARACTER AND THEN SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESS PRACTICES RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND YOU'LL SEE IN SOME NEW DATA THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET A SHORT TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY IS THE NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY ON OUR ISLAND.

THE VACATION INDUSTRY IS THE NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY ON OUR ISLAND THAT THEN ALSO FEEDS OFF OTHER INDUSTRIES THE HOSPITALITY, THE RESTAURANTS THE SERVICE, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT LANDSCAPE, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HELP SUPPORT THAT INDUSTRY WE'LL SEE THAT LAID OUT IN SOME OF THE FINANCIAL DATA. BUT HAVING THAT BALANCE OF HOW DO WE PROTECT THE CAR CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW DO WE ALSO AND MAINTAIN OUR ECONOMY WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT TOWN STAFF WAS TASKED WITH DOING SO JUST FROM A HIGH I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CHANGE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AND 20 OR BACK IN FEBRUARY JUST FROM A HIGH LEVEL I'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THESE ALREADY BUT JUST FOR CLARITY WE DID HAVE GRAMMATICAL CLARITY LANGUAGE CHANGES. WE PROVIDED SOME NEW DEFINITIONS. WE HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT OWNERS MUST NOT ONLY BE COMPLIANT ON ALL THEIR LICENSES AND PERMITS BUT ALSO THEIR TAXES AND FINES.

SO IF THERE'S ANY FINES HAVE BEEN ASSESSED. WE ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT . I MENTIONED THE THE THE MONITORED SMOKE DETECTION AND MANUAL FIRE ALARM SYSTEM FOR PROPERTIES LARGER THAN 3600 SQUARE FEET.

WE ALSO PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT ANY EXTERIOR GAS GRILL NEEDS TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC SHUT OFF TIMER AND THAT'S A PRETTY COMMON DEVICE THAT YOU CAN ADD TO A TO A PROPANE OR NATURAL GAS OR PROPANE TANK THAT TIMES A 60 MINUTE NO LONGER THAN 60 MINUTES AND THE GAS WILL TURN OFF. WE ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY BASED ON THE NUMBER BEDROOMS AND HOW WE DID AS WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE OF WHAT BEING REPORTED TO US AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT AVERAGE INCLUDED THAT AVERAGE WHAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WOULD BE

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AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE DID ESTABLISH A PROCEDURE TO ISSUE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS IN OUR APPEAL PROCESS. SO FROM HERE LET ME SWITCH GEARS.

LET ME GO OVER SOME OF THE DATA THE CURRENT DATA I'M SORRY WE ALSO HAD THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN AT THAT MEETING THAT OUTLINES A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION I SHARED WITH YOU AND I'LL COME BACK TO THE SLIDE BUT I WANT TO SHARE THIS SLIDE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IS LOOKING AT WHAT OUR BEST PRACTICE WHEN WE LOOK AROUND THE STATE, WHEN WE LOOK AROUND THE REGION WHEN WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY FOR HOW TO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTAL, HOW TO REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE LOOK AT THOSE BEST PRACTICES THAT REALLY KIND OF SPREAD ACROSS THESE NINE BUCKETS WHAT WE WITH THE MODIFIED ORDINANCE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN FEBRUARY WOULD ADDRESS SIX OF THE NINE BUCKETS THAT ARE UP HERE. WHAT WE DID NOT WE DID NOT AGREE ON WHAT WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT WAS PERMIT CAPS, RESTRICTIONS. WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION REGARDING INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS BUT GENERALLY WE WERE LOOKING TO ENHANCE OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ENHANCE OUR SERVICE REQUIREMENTS, ENHANCE OUR FACILITIES AND PENALTIES, ENHANCE ADD FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, ENHANCED NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS AND ALSO ADD OCCUPANCY LIMITS TO HELP MANAGE THE IMPACT THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS WERE HAVING ON OUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND AGAIN I'LL COME BACK TO THIS WE'LL ACTUALLY CLOSE MY PRESENTATION WITH THIS SLIDE AS FAR AS WHERE WE ARE FROM A SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET THIS TABLE SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR FROM THAT FEBRUARY BECAUSE THIS IS JUST UPDATED AS OF SEPTEMBER ONE WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THE NUMBER OF PERMITS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH BEDROOM. WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS OF THE OVERALL POPULATION OF SHORT RENTALS AGAIN JUST AS A REMINDER MOST OF OUR SHORT RENTALS 42% OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE TWO BEDROOM UNITS AND WE'LL SEE THAT PLAY OUT IN THE NEXT SET OF DATA AS FAR AS VILLAS AND CONDOS VERSUS VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ALMOST ALL OF OUR ALMOST ALL OF OUR UNITS ARE FOUR BEDROOMS OR LESS BUT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE FIVE, SIX, 79, TEN BEDROOM UNITS. YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE FOOTAGE, THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY THAT'S REPORTED. SO ANYWHERE FROM FOUR PEOPLE IN A BEDROOM OR IN A STUDIO WITH AN OF THREE ON THE NEXT NEXT COLUMN ALL THE WAY UP TO 34 PEOPLE POTENTIALLY IN A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THEN TYING BACK TO THAT 3600 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER FOR A HOME FROM A FIRE SAFETY STANDPOINT CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THOSE 3600 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER UNITS ARE AND THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WE DO NOT HAVE A VILLA OR A CONDO THAT IS LARGER THAN 3600 SQUARE FEET ACTUALLY I WANT TO SHARE A MAP HERE SO WE LOOK AT WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE LOCATED.

THIS IS A MAP SHOWING OF THE PROPERTIES SO SEA PINES SHIPYARD LEAMINGTON MERIDIAN'S PALMETTO HALL OH NINE PLANTATIONS AS WELL AS INDIGO RUN SO FORTH.

YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ONE OF THE BEAUTIES WE ARE ALSO SHOWING OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO CHAPLAIN MITCHELL WILL SQUIRE POOLE STONEY'S AND THE OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE ISLAND WHERE HOW MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING SOUTH FOREST BEACH LOOKING AT THE FARLEY FIELD AREA AND UNDERSTANDING EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT REALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE A WHOLE CONGLOMERATION OF DIFFERENT DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS ON NEIGHBORHOODS. HOW ARE THOSE AREAS BEING IMPACTED ALONG OUR ALONG OUR BEACH FRONTS IN THIS HISTORIC THOSE LONGER TERM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY SO AGAIN AS I MENTIONED THE BREAKDOWN OF SINGLE FAMILIES VERSUS VILLAS AND CONDOS OVER 70% OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE VILLAS OR CONDOS.

LESS THAN 29% ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. KIND OF FORESHADOW THIS ALREADY ON THE MAP YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN WE HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DATA POLES ON THE MAP. SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE NUMBERS BACK TO THE MAP IT MAY NOT MATCH EXACTLY BECAUSE OF JUST THE TIMING OF WHEN WE PULLED THE BUT YOU CAN SEE FOR US BEACHES ARE IS OUR NUMBER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT RELATES TO WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE LOCATED AND FOLLOWED BY TWO OF OUR PROPERTIES FINALLY FIELD SHIPYARD AND THEN ALL OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WE BREAK IT DOWN BY ZONING DISTRICT AGAIN MOST OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE

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SO WE FIRST BREAK THIS OUT BY LOCAL TAXES AND FEES AND SO THIS ARE OUR 3% EIGHT TAX THAT'S COLLECTED IF. YOU CALL FROM OUR OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS 1% IS IS JUST GENERAL AID TAX AND THEN WE PLEDGE 2% TO BEACH PRESERVATION.

SO TO BE ABLE TO REIMBURSE THE BEACH RIGHT WE COLLECT 2% OF OUR 3% TAX GOES JUST TO THAT . WELL AS OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG OUR BEACHES OUR SDR FEES AND THEN THE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND IF YOU HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THAT REPRESENTS OVER $14 MILLION. WE ALSO THEN COLLECT FOR THE STATE AND THE COUNTY 1% GOES TO THE COUNTY GREENSPACE TAX 2% GOES TO THE STATE WHICH.

NOT ALL OF THIS COMES BACK TO THE TOWN BUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF THOSE COMES BACK TO THE TOWN AND THEN 5% OF STATE SALES TAX SO ANOTHER $29 MILLION IN STATE COUNTY AND A LITTLE BIT BACK TO THE TOWN AS WELL FROM THAT FROM THAT STATE ANY TAX WE ALSO CONTRACT NUMBER OF BUSINESS LICENSES FOR PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF OF OF UNITS THAT ARE THAT ARE HERE ON THE ISLAND THE FISCAL OF THOSE UNITS WHERE THOSE UNITS ARE LOCATED. AND AS I MENTIONED, I TO COME BACK TO I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK TO IT NOW I WANT TO COME BACK TO THE SLIDE AND JUST CLOSE MY AND AS I HAND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO HELP PROVIDE US DIRECTION THIS THIS IS KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF WHERE WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE ARE AGAIN THESE ARE THE BEST PRACTICE CONSIDERATIONS AND WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING BEFORE.

SO YOU HAVE NOW WHAT WE ARE BEFORE AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED YOUR DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE ON TO IS IT THAT WE LIKE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING BEFORE WHAT DID WE NOT LIKE? DO WE LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO BE MODIFIED OR WHAT WE MODIFIED AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE IT JUST TO GIVE US THAT DIRECTION WITH THAT SPECIFIC DIRECTION IN HAND WE CAN THEN GET BACK TO WORK AND PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE IF THE COMMITTEE SO CHOOSES AN ALTERNATE TOWN COUNCIL SO CHOOSES THAT ADDRESSES THESE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SOME TIME NOW.

SO WITH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THANK YOU SEAN.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS ON JUST THAT FROM OUR COMMITTEE OVERALL ? I'M SURE THEY'LL BE SO WE MAY WE MAY CIRCLE BACK TO YOU STATE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS AT THIS POINT? I'M NOT AT THIS POINT AT THIS POINT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK I WILL HAVE QUESTIONS AND, COMMENTS I THINK THAT WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AND DO WANT TO GIVE THE FOLKS WHO HAVE COME HERE TIME TO ADDRESS US SO THAT CAN INCORPORATE THAT IN OUR AND OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR QUESTIONS. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO REQUEST IS THAT WE REVIEW I THINK A STARTING POINT WHICH DEFINITIONS AND WHAT PARTICULAR THINGS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE PREVIOUS WRITTEN ORDINANCE. I MEAN SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS IT'S EASY TO MISINTERPRET WHEN ONE PERSON IS

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I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS . THINK WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. I THINK THERE'LL BE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT WITH REGARD TO THOSE INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS PARKING REQUIREMENTS, NOISE LIMITS, DISTRACTION REGULATIONS, TRASH SERVICE FIRING RIGHTS SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, OCCUPANCY LIMITS LOCATION RESTRICTIONS PERMIT CAP AND FEES AS WELL AS WHAT IS A RESIDENT.

WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR WHAT A RESIDENT IS AND WHAT A INTERVAL OCCUPANCY IS.

WHAT A COMMERCIAL DEFINITION MIGHT BE, WHAT A DEFINITION FOR BEDROOM IS AND THEN OCCUPANCY.

THEN AGAIN JUST REITERATING WHAT OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL WHICH SHORT TERM RENTAL MEANS THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DEFINED. SO I KNOW THAT'S LOT SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT ASIDE FOR A MOMENT WE CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEM I KNOW SOME OF THE MINUTES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU PULLED OUT AND WE CAN REVIEW THE OTHERS AS WE GO ALONG MAYBE LET ME ADDRESS WHAT'S IN THE IN THE DOCUMENT THANKS I CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER OTHER ITEMS ARE BUT TO THE POINT IS IS WE WE DRAFTED THIS NEW WE NEED TO CRAFT A SOME ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS SOME OF THOSE DEFINITIONS WERE SIMPLY TO HELP US IN ENFORCEMENT SO OF AN AGENT BUT OTHERS LIKE BEDROOM MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY THOSE WERE THOSE WERE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE EXPLICITLY TIED TO THE REGULATIONS THAT WE WERE WE WERE WE WERE RECOMMENDING BACK IN FEBRUARY AND DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO READ COULD I COULD READ THESE BUT WE DID PROVIDE DEFINITIONS FOR FOR MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY TRYING TO USE PRACTICES TRYING TO TO UTILIZE EXISTING THAT WE HAD THROUGH BUILDING CODES THROUGH FIRE SAFETY CODES WHEN AT LEAST ONE OF WHEN IT COMES TO BEDROOMS AND MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.

SO I THINK THE BEDROOM QUESTION WENT TO FIND SOME BEDROOM WHICH I THINK IS IN THIS DOCUMENT.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD ADDRESS. SO A BEDROOM AS IT'S DEFINED IN THIS DOCUMENT MEANS A ROOM WITHIN A SHORT RENTAL PROPERTY THAT IS DESIGNED DESIGNED AND USE AS A SLEEPING AREA RATHER THAN A LIVING DINING OR COMMON SPACE THE ROOM MUST MEET BUILDING AND SAFETY CODES BE PRIMARILY USED FOR SLEEPING TYPICALLY CONTAINS AT LEAST ONE WINDOW A DOOR AND A BED OR OTHER SLEEPING FURNITURE AND THEN AGAIN TO THAT CROSS REFERENCE POINT I MADE AS USING THIS BEDROOM HAS THE SAME MEANING THE SLEEPING AREA IN A NATIONAL FIRE ALARM AND SIGNALING SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A DISTINCTION HERE BETWEEN A SLEEPER SOFA AND A LIVING ROOM OR IN SOME OTHER ROOM THAT IS OFTEN COUNTED FOR OCCUPANCY BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES DEFINING DEFINING OCCUPANCY WE WERE FOCUSED ON A BEDROOM.

SO AS LONG AS YOU MET THAT CODE AND YOU WEREN'T A DINING ROOM, YOU WEREN'T A LIVING ROOM OR OTHER COMMON SPACE EVEN IF YOU HAD A BED SLEEPING SOFA, WHATEVER IN THAT ROOM IT DID NOT COUNT TOWARDS YOUR OCCUPANCY. THANK YOU.

IS THAT IS THAT BASED INSPECTION OR BASED ON PERMANENT FILE ON HIM ULTIMATELY BOTH BUT PRIMARILY BASED ON THE PERMIT FILE ON HAND WHICH WE GO BACK TO AND AND POLL BUILDING PERMIT RECORDS AND LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE BUILDING PERMIT TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT THE BUILDING PERMIT SHOWED FOR BEDROOMS AND NOW WE'RE SHOWING WE'RE SHOWING FIVE OR WE'RE SHOWING MORE BEDROOMS AS PART OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT WE DO THAT WE DO DO THAT CHECK AS PART OF OUR LICENSING REQUIREMENTS WE NEED TO PHYSICALLY INSPECT THE HOUSE BECAUSE AS A LOT OF HOMES ARE MODIFIED WITHOUT PERMITS RIGHT ESSENTIALLY SO EVERY PERMIT APPLICATION THAT SUBMITTED SHOULD BE INSPECT INSPECTED AND IF YOU RECALL FROM OUR CONVERSATION TALKED ABOUT INSPECTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AS PART OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSE SHOULD THERE BE A MANDATORY INSPECTION AND WHERE WE ARRIVED AT PREVIOUSLY WAS THAT THERE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE A MANDATORY INSPECTION BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD THE RIGHT TO INSPECT AS PART OF A LICENSE WHETHER WE COULD POLL WHETHER WE HAD REASON TO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THERE'S A DISCREPANCY IN THAT DATA. LET'S GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT WE AS IT WAS PRESENTED HERE THIS IS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE BEST PRACTICES IS WE DID NOT REQUIRE

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I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE TODAY.

SO TONE DOWN IS A NOTE ANOTHER DEFINITION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR IS WE AS A TOWN HAVE A DEFINITION A RESIDENT I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THIS DOCUMENT BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT THE SECOND ONE IF WE CAN GET THAT AT SOME POINT AND SO THAT WE CAN REFERENCE THAT I THINK IT'LL BECOME IMPORTANT AS WELL IN THE CONVERSATION.

ANOTHER DEFINITION THAT IS IN HERE AND IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US THAT'S NUMBER SEVEN IS WHAT IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THE SAME I'M SORRY ON THE BIG SCREEN IT'S NUMBER SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTY. YEAH THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE SORRY. YES THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON SO WE HAD A NUMBER OF DEFINITIONS AS IT RELATES TO SHORT TERM RENTAL WHETHER IT'S SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT PROPERTY TENANTS BUT AS IT RELATES TO TERM RENTAL PROPERTY MEANS ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ANY MISS ELEMENTS OF THE TOWN PERIOD. OKAY THANK YOU.

AND DOES THAT CONTINUE ON THAT IN IN IN OUR REPORT OFFERED UNDER THE LEASE OR I'M SORRY YES. THANK YOU YES IT DOES CONTINUE ON IN ALL THE PARTIES ADVERTISE OFFERED LEASED USED OPERATED AND OR OCCUPIED UNDER LEASE OR ANY FORM FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FOR ANYONE? GOOD. AND THEN I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR SOME OF THESE OTHERS AND DO HAVE A ORDINANCE ON NOISE LIMITS THAT WE CAN REFER TO IN POINTS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MENTIONED THAT EITHER OF YOU ON THE COMMITTEE ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE WE CLARIFY AT POINT JUST FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY WHAT CAN I CLARIFY? YOU ASKED ABOUT A DEFINITION OF CLARIFYING VERSUS COMMERCIAL . YES, I DID. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO ASK IF YOU WERE PREPARED FOR THAT ONE OR NOT. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY BUT I DO I DO WANT IT ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK OF IMPORTANT TO OUR DISCUSSION . WELL. ALL RIGHT.

WHY DON'T WE FIND OUT WITH ALL OF YOUR THINKING AND SO CAM , I KNOW YOU HAVE A LIST OF FOLKS WHO SIGNED UP AND BUT WE CAN START THERE AND AND THEN MOVE ON.

JENNY JACKSON I AM JENNY JACKSON. MY FAMILY MOVED HERE YEARS AGO.

MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND IN 1960 AND I'VE BEEN COMING HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

IT IS A RESORT COMMUNITY WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BUT I THINK WE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TERMS THAT WE USE. I ALSO SAW REAL ESTATE ON THE ISLAND AND I'VE HAD CALLS FROM FOUR CLIENTS THIS WEEK WHO HAVE HALTED SEARCHES FOR PROPERTIES ON HILTON HEAD BECAUSE THEY SAW WHAT WAS IN THE MEDIA ABOUT A POTENTIAL MORATORIUM AND THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO BUY THE CONDO VILLA ON, YOU KNOW, TWO BEDROOM FOR A SHORT RENTAL AND SAW THE WORD MORATORIUM ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND SO HAVE PAUSED THEIR SEARCHES AND WE CAN ALL HERE AND SAY OH WELL THEY'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND BUY AFTER THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OTHER MARKETS WE COULD LOSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IF IF WE DRAG OUT AND HAVE THE INFLAMMATORY SPEECH THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE AND NEED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE ON THE ISLAND, HAVE OUR TOURIST COMMUNITIES ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT. I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED MR. ZIMMERMAN ABOUT TO INSPECT FOR BEDROOMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

BUT I WOULD CAUTION YOU AS A COUNCIL TO TRY NOT TO USE WORDS MAKE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO COME IN AND TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CHESTER WILLIAMS. WELL, THAT JOCELYN STEIGER GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

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MY NAME IS JOCELYN STEIGER AND I SERVE AS THE GOVERNMENT DIRECTOR FOR THE HILTON HEAD AREA REALTORS. I'M REPRESENTING 1600 REALTORS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND INVESTORS THEY SERVE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON THE IDEA OF A PROPOSED MORATORIUM ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. HILTON HEAD HAS LONG BEEN A COMMUNITY SHAPED BY TOURISM. SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE NOT JUST A LODGING OPTION.

THEY ARE A VITAL PART OF OUR ISLAND'S ECONOMY AND OUR IDENTITY.

A MORATORIUM EVEN A TEMPORARY ONE CARRIES SERIOUS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

THE TOWN'S OWN DATA SHOWS THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 7000 LICENSED STAFFERS GENERATING OVER $14 MILLION ANNUALLY IN LOCAL TAXES FEES INCLUDING 7.3 MILLION FOR BEACH PRESERVATION ALONE. STATE AND COUNTY COLLECTIONS ADD ANOTHER 29 MILLION.

THIS REVENUE SUPPORTS THE VERY INFRASTRUCTURE THE SERVICES AND NATURAL RESOURCES THAT MAKE HILTON HEAD SUCH A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE AND TO VISIT. A MORATORIUM PUTS THIS FUNDING STREAM AT RISK. WE ARE ALREADY SEEING THE MARKET REACT.

INVESTORS ARE WALKING AWAY FROM PURCHASES BECAUSE THEY'VE HEARD HILTON HAD INTENDS TO SHUT DOWN RENTALS BEYOND ECONOMICS THERE ARE SERIOUS PROPERTY RIGHT CONCERNS MANY HOMEOWNERS PURCHASED WITH THE EXPECTATION OF SEASONAL RENTAL INCOME TO OFFSET MORTGAGES AGE AWAY FEES ,INSURANCE OR MAINTENANCE. A MORATORIUM CAUSED DISPUTES ON PROPERTY CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT. THE BUYER MAY HAVE EXPECTED TO BE ABLE TO BUY TO SHORT TERM RENT THEIR PROPERTY. MUCH OF THE REMAINING DEVELOPABLE LAND ON HILTON HEAD IS HEIRS PROPERTY AND OWNED BY NATIVE ISLANDER. FOR THEM SHORT TERM RENTAL INCOME CAN THE KEY TO KEEPING PROPERTY IN THE FAMILY. A MORATORIUM WOULD STRIP THEM OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND RISK UNDERMINING WEALTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE DATA SHOWS THE PROBLEMS CITED TO JUSTIFY MORATORIUM ARE LIMITED.

OUT OF MORE THAN 7000 STAFFERS THERE WERE ONLY 147 ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS THIS YEAR.

MOST TRASH, PARKING OR NOISE THAT IS LESS THAN 2% OF THE UNITS.

THESE ARE ISSUES BEST BY ENFORCING EXISTING ORDINANCES NOT, BY RESTRICTING RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNERS ACROSS THE ENTIRE ISLAND. FINALLY, A MORATORIUM DEEPENS, COMMUNITY DIVIDES. IT PITS FULL RESIDENTS AGAINST PART TIME OWNERS AND GUESTS.

BUT THE TRUTH IS WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER. VISITORS FUEL OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, KEEP OUR RESTAURANTS OPEN AND PROVIDE THE TAX REVENUE THAT MAINTAIN US OUR BEACHES AND OUR ROADS. I'M ALMOST DONE IF YOU'LL LET ME LEAVE MY LAST NAME.

OKAY? OF COURSE I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S THE TIME.

I KNOW THAT SHE'S A FIRE ALARM. WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE MORATORIUM IS AN AX WHERE A SCALPEL IS NEEDED. HILTON HEAD CAN ADDRESS LOCALIZED CONCERNS WITH OTHER TOOLS SUCH AS TARGETED ENFORCEMENT OR ZONING ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT A BLANKET MORATORIUM THREATENS OUR ECONOMY, REDUCES TAX REVENUE, UNDERMINES PROPERTY RIGHTS AND DIVIDES OUR COMMUNITY. ON BEHALF OF THE 1600 REALTORS I REPRESENT, I URGE YOU TO REJECT THE IDEA OF A MORATORIUM ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AND INSTEAD PURSUE BALANCED, THOUGHTFUL SOLUTIONS LAWS THAT PROTECT BOTH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR ECONOMY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

LET ME TODAY IS REALLY NOT THE MORATORIUM DISCUSSION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MORATORIUM WORKSHOP TOMORROW. BUT SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT THAT'S A BIG WORD MORATORIUM A BIG WORD AND IT CAN BE USED INCORRECTLY. IT CAN BE ASSUMED TO BE ONE THING WHEN IT'S ANOTHER AND IT'S ANYTHING FROM A TO Z. AND SO THE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PHONE CALLS THAT I'VE RECEIVED TELL ME THAT EVERYONE IS MISUNDERSTANDING 100% OF THE PHONE CALLS NOT EVEN ONE AS UNDERSTOOD AND AND THAT RUMOR AND ASSUMPTION AS EVERYONE RUNNING RUNNING WILD. PERSONALLY JUST FOR ME SPEAKING ABOUT IT OUT LOUD, I HAVEN'T

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FOR ME IT'S NOT A THE DISCUSSION OF MORATORIUM IS NOT ABOUT CANCELING SHORT TERM RENTALS. IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT CANCELING SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO THAT'S JUST A RUMOR. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE NOW AND THAT DISCUSSION WILL WILL PLACE TOMORROW THE WORKSHOP. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUME THAT JUST LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLETELY CUT OUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ISLAND. THAT'S NEVER BEEN A DISCUSSION.

ARE YOU ME EVERYONE BUT EVERYONE BUT YOU YOU RESPOND WELL GO AHEAD.

THIS IS A CONVERSATION YOU'D LIKE TO WE CAN DO SO ONLY JUST BE SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE FOR IT TO BE RECORDED. YEAH. THIS IS A CONFERENCE I KNOW YOU SPEAK FOR A MASSIVE GROUP IS I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WORD WAS PUT OUT THERE AND THAT'S IT TAKES. I KNOW IT'S WHAT I SAID IT'S ALL TAKES AND THE SPECIFIC THE AGENDA ITEM IS FOR A MORATORIUM BE ABLE TO GET PERMITS FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS.

SHORT TERM RENTALS AND TIMESHARES I WOULDN'T PUT AN AGENDA ITEM OUT ON YOUR AGENDA UNLESS THAT'S REALLY FOR DISCUSSION. SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU THINK IT'S A RUMOR WHEN IT'S NO IT'S THE TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION OF WHAT YOU SAY IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RUMOR I DON'T THINK WE SAID IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I THINK WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

IF I CAN BECAUSE WE'RE IN THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ASSESSING IT.

RIGHT. RIGHT. SO PART OF THE ASSESSMENT IS TRYING TO LET ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES DOING THAT WOULD BE AND I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT. AND THEN I HOPE THAT OTHERS WILL SHARE THEIR OPINIONS AND SUCH A RESPECTFUL AND CARING WAY.

I WANT TO SAY THOUGH THAT ONE OF MY POINTS WITH REGARD TO DEFINITIONS IS JUST THIS MORATORIUM IS A WORD AND WE HAVE NOT DEFINED IT. SO UNTIL THIS COUNCIL DOES WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A MORATORIUM ACTUALLY MIGHT MEAN IF IT WEREN'T TO EVEN APPROVE MOVE FORWARD TO THAT POINT. SO MORATORIUM RIGHT NOW IS A CONCEPT WITHOUT A DEFINITION AND I THINK THAT TO STEVE'S POINT THAT DEFINITION WILL BECOME MORE CLEAR AS WE DISCUSS IT TOMORROW. I'M CERTAIN THAT ALL OF YOUR INPUT TO US AS WELL AS OUR OWN THOUGHTS, OUR RESEARCH. I CERTAINLY HAVE READ ACROSS THIS COUNTRY CITIES AND TOWNS AND RESORT AREAS AND HOW THEY'VE APPROACHED US TO OURS AND MORATORIUMS. THIS WILL ALL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION SO I WELCOME EVERYONE BACK TOMORROW TO JOIN US AT THE 3:00 TOWN COUNCIL MEETING I THINK IT'S TEN BE WE MOVE INTO A WORKSHOP SETTING WHERE THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH REGARD TO MORATORIUMS WILL TAKE PLACE.

SO BUT THANK YOU YOU'RE ON THE RECORD AND I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS YOUR INTENT THAT WE DISCOURAGE DISCUSSION OF MORATORIUM TODAY. IT IS NOT MY INTENT I AM OPEN WHATEVER ANYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT GOOD.

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY ABSOLUTELY. THINK ABOUT MORATORIUM TODAY.

WELL AS TOMORROW. ABSOLUTELY I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT IT WOULD BE FORMALLY ADDRESSED WITH A DEFINITION TOMORROW. OKAY.

KIM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE LIST YOU WANT ME TO RUN THE TIMER AND CALL THE NAMES OR I'M NOT OPEN FOR? I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMER.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE AND THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION SO NOT REALLY WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT IT. OKAY.

UNLESS SOMEONE GOES ON FOR LIKE 5 MINUTES I WANT YOU GUYS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL IT BECAUSE WE CAN BE HERE ALL DAY SO. SO TRY TO BE I MEAN YEAH.

I MEAN WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE THE INFORMATION FROM YOU YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS THE PEOPLE THAT STAND AND TALK AND SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS AS WELL SO.

OKAY. THE NEXT FORM I HAVE IS ANGIE HUTCHINS.

HI. AND I BROUGHT MY CLOCK SO THAT BECAUSE I LIKE A TIMER BUT IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT FOR YOU YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE ONE, ANGIE.

THANK YOU. WELL, I'VE GOT MY CLOCK. I'M I GOT A NEW ANYWAY.

ANGIE HUTCHINS CURRENTLY LIVING IN PRESERVE IT IN A GO RUN BUT I'VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF LIVING IN SHORT TERM RENTAL NEIGHBORHOOD SHIPYARD AS WELL AS HP WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. AND I WILL PREFACE STATEMENTS BY SAYING THAT WHEN I'M 81 YEARS OLD I WILL BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE TRUE HILTON HEAD RESIDENTS I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS BECAUSE

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THE RAMIFICATIONS WILL GO ON FOR LONG TIME AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT BE.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THEM. BUT NEWTON SAID FOR EVERY ACTION THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION AND IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT WHEN YOU STUDY HISTORY WHEN YOU STUDY CONSEQUENCES AND INTENTIONS THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE A MILLION DIFFERENT RIPPLE EFFECTS THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO FATHOM.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HEAVY CONSIDERATION FOR THE OF THIS ISLAND AND BALANCING TOURISM WITH THE RESIDENTS. HOWEVER I TRIED TO GET DATA ON THIS IF WE HAVE ABOUT 40,000 RESIDENTS THAT THIS IS THEIR HOME. THE BEST DATA I COULD GET FOR AREAS WHERE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS ALLOWED ARE THERE'S JUST ABOUT 7000 TO 8000 OF THEM. SO IT'S A IT'S A VERY IT'S A SUBSET OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION. THEIR VOICES NEED ALL VOICES NEED TO BE HEARD BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE A DECISION THAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT NUMBER IN CONSIDERATION WITH THE IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON PROPERTY VALUES.

OUR LIFE OF MY 32 YEARS WITH MY HUSBAND WAS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY A BRAIN TUMOR.

WE HAD 26 YEARS AGO AND WE REALIZED THAT ANY DECISION MAKE YOU HAVE TO MAKE WITH THE WIDEST OPTIONS POSSIBLE ALL NOT KNOWING WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO AND WE AS REALTORS HELP PEOPLE YOU KNOW TRY AND CONSIDER YOUR PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL AS EVERYTHING ELSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE WHAT SET US APART AS A COUNTRY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE IN HISTORY.

THE RIGHTS DON'T COME FROM A KING. THE RIGHTS COME BECAUSE YOU GET TO OWN YOUR LAND AND THE KING CAN'T TAKE AWAY. SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THING. OUR FIRST QUESTION TO NEW PEOPLE TO THE ISLAND IS DO YOU TO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS SHORT TERM RENTALS OR DOES NOT? WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER BECAUSE THE ISLAND HAS ALREADY SORT OF SELF SEGREGATED FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM THESE WAYS OF OF HAVING A BALANCE OF TOURISM AND RESIDENTIAL LIFE AND HOW TO APPROACH THAT REALLY WELL. THERE'S A LOT MORE I COULD SAY BUT I ALSO TODD SAID YOU DON'T GO TO A CONCERT AND COMPLAIN IT'S LOUD AND YOU DON'T LIVE IN HILTON HEAD AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TOURISM AND THAT THAT FACTORS IN THERE FOR ME A LOT TOO.

BUT THERE'S THERE'S A LOT ACTION THERE'S A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES TO CONSIDER.

I'M I DON'T DO ONE MORE THING AND THAT'S IT SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE IDEA OF HAVING INSPECTIONS AND MAYBE FOR THAT MINORITY WHEN WHEN THE NUMBERS WERE PRESENTED OF YOU KNOW AFTER X OF BEDROOMS GETTING INSPECTIONS ELLEN MUSK SAID IT BEST WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE REFEREES ON THE COURT THAN PLAYERS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE SIGNED UP? BETH PETRO I'LL COME. GOOD MORNING.

I I CAME TO THIS MEETING THIS MORNING. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE STATEMENTS. I'VE NEVER REALLY BEEN ONE FOR THAT BECAUSE.

I LIKE TO HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID FIRST. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT THERE IS FINALLY SOME VERSION OF A DISCUSSION ON THIS WORD MORATORIUM BECAUSE AS IT'S BEEN STATED IT IS SUCH A JARRING WORD THAT IT IS REALLY SET OFF A LOT OF UNKNOWNS SO I'VE TRIED TO STAY BACK BUT WE UNFORTUNATELY LIVE IN A VERY REACTIVE ORDINARY PLACE SO YOU HEAR THAT WORD AND THEN IT RIPPLES WHAT IS THE PLAN? IS IT GOING TO BE A PROPOSED SIX MONTH OR A YEAR? WHAT WE TRYING TO GET FROM THAT I KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS IN OTHER TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS BUT IT'S BEEN VERY IT'S BEEN VERY LIGHT.

WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS ARE WE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE FACT THESE 7000 SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE ON THE ISLAND THAT ACTUALLY HAVE GONE DOWN IN NUMBER IF YOU GO FROM THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED IN IN FEBRUARY AND SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR TO WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT THAT SHAUN WAS GOING OVER IT MAY BE A HUGE DECREASE YET BUT THERE WAS THE START OF THE DECREASE IN THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THEY ARE MAINLY AS WE SAW IN TWO AND THREE BEDROOM VILLAS VERSUS RESIDENTIAL. SO WHAT IS THE END GAME HERE? ARE WE TRYING TO I GUESS WE

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THE BALANCE IS WHAT WE ARE ALL STRIVING FOR BUT THE USE OF THESE WORDS SET OFF DISCUSSION AND SCARED NESS I'VE AS A HOME MANAGER I DO HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE SINCE THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION WAY BACK IN 2020 I HAVE LOST VERY GOOD HOMEOWNERS OVER THE THOUGHT OF IS OCCUPANCY COMING AM I GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE MY EIGHT BEDROOM HOME THAT HAS PARKING FOR TEN AND NINE BEDROOMS? I'M NINE BATHROOMS RATHER AM I GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO RENT THIS ONLY SIX PARKING SPACES JUST THIS THE DISCUSSION OF THAT BACK WHEN HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO START TO SELL THEIR HOMES AND I ACTUALLY I GET CALLED FROM THIS HOMEOWNER WHO STAYS IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH ME HOPING THAT WE WILL GET TO SOME KIND OF FINISH POINT, SOME KIND OF FINAL LINE WHERE WE ARE SOME KIND OF BALANCE. BUT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AS WE HAVE IT, IT'S WORKING. WE'VE SEEN LESS COMPLAINTS AS JOCELYN SAID, ONLY 2% OF COMPLAINTS OUT OF THIS. THERE ARE RESPONSIBLE SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS. THERE ARE CERTAIN OF THE ISLAND THAT CURRENTLY DON'T ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS ALREADY IN PLACE. ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE WE GO INTO SUCH A DISCUSSION OF A MORATORIUM WHICH IS A STOP REGARDLESS OF YOU THINK OR WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THE WORD MORATORIUM MEANS A STOP OF SOME KIND SO CLARIFYING THAT I THINK WOULD HELP A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IT'S ALSO VERY HARD TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THAT PROPOSED DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE AND I THANK YOU BOTH. I THINK SAID TOMORROW'S PROBABLY THE BIG DAY TO GET THIS GOING BUT YOU KNOW I GOT TO SAY IT I WAS ON COUNCIL ONCE BEFORE BACK IN 95 202 AND I WAS INVOLVED IN A MORATORIUM WE PUT IN A MORATORIUM FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AT THE TIME WE PUT IT IN BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORATORIUMS ARE USED FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND. IT WAS KIND OF AN EMERGENCY AND THERE'S A LOT OF FALLOUT FROM A MORATORIUM. AND BACK THEN WE FOUND QUICKLY I MEAN YOU'VE GOT CONTRACTORS AND AND THEIR FAMILIES. YOU'VE GOT LUMBER COMPANIES AND SUPPLY COMPANIES AND APPLIANCE COMPANIES AND ROOFING AND YOU NAME IT AND THEIR EMPLOYEES.

AND WHEN YOU PUT THAT MORATORIUM ON BUILDING PERMANENT MORATORIUM, THEN IT WAS A FINANCIAL PROBLEM FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHEN WE OURSELVES SETTING UP HERE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SHAWN PRESENTED US TO FIXING OUR PROBLEM JUST LIKE THEM WITHOUT PROBABLY PUTTING A MORATORIUM SO TOMORROW AS WE DISCUSSED THAT I THINK ABOUT PAST AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PUT IN A MORATORIUM WHEN I KNOW THAT WE CAN PROBABLY SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS WITHOUT IT BUT TOMORROW THAT DISCUSSION STARTS. THANK YOU STEVE DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S SHOWN IN THE DATA THAT WE THAT WE'VE SAVED AND IT'S BEEN REFERENCED I THINK TWICE NOW THE COMPLAINTS COME IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS. THE DATA THAT SEE AND SO ONE CAN CORRECT ME OR WHOEVER WANTS TO CORRECT ME CAN CORRECT ME IT COMES FROM CABOS WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT WE USE MONITOR SHORT TERM RENTALS ACROSS THE ISLAND SHORT TERM AND ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR HAS EVER LISTENED TO ME ON THIS TOPIC KNOWS THAT I THINK THAT DAVOS IS LESS THAN PERFECT. I'VE EXPERIENCED IT MYSELF AND SO THE DATA THAT WE COLLECT FROM THEM I DON'T CONSIDER TO BE THE BE ALL END ALL PERHAPS IT'S A STARTING POINT BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT EACH AND EVERY COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS THAT HAS AN HLA AND ITS OWN SECURITY COLLECTS THEIR OWN COMPLAINT DATA AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL AT LEAST IN MY WARD AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION TO THE TOWN SO THAT IT CAN BE INCORPORATED.

I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT THAT DATA HAS BEEN INCORPORATED IN WHAT WE SEE.

I IT HASN'T BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF OTHER CATEGORIES COMPLAINTS IS THE ONES THAT YOU AS A HOMEOWNER MAKE DIRECTLY TO OUR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT OR MAKE DIRECTLY TO

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AND SO I WANT US ALL TO BE VERY, VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT THAT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME DATA POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER AND PRESENTED, THEY'RE NOT ALL TOGETHER THE BIG PICTURE AND I WANT TO REFERENCE SOMETHING THAT WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OWNERS WHO WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY WHO WHO WENT ON ABOUT A NUMBER OF STATISTICS AND AND REFERENCED THE NUMBER OF PERMITS OVER THE YEARS AND I JUST WANT TO GO BACK AND BRING IT UP NOW AND IN ONE RESPECT BECAUSE IT RELIES HEAVILY ON DATA FROM A CONSULTANT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN I GUESS BACK IN JANUARY OF 2022 AND THAT IS THOSE CONSULTING NUMBERS WERE INCORRECT. WE KNOW THAT WAS PROVEN THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT WERE BEING PRESENTED THAT REACHED THE HIGHEST I THINK 9000 SOME ODD MAYBE WAS EARLY LOW 10,000 WERE INCORRECT. THOSE AREN'T RELIABLE TO COMPARE OURSELVES TO TODAY WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE AT 7000 BUT IT USED TO BE 9000 BECAUSE WE KNOW THOSE NUMBERS WEREN'T RIGHT. THE CONSULTANT THAT WERE USING GAVE A SNAPSHOT AND THAT SNAPSHOT BY REVIEWING A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ADVERTISING SOURCES AND OFTENTIMES THOSE NUMBERS THEMSELVES TWICE, THREE TIMES AND MORE SO.

SO WE CAN'T NOW SIT COMPARE THE CURRENT TODAY NUMBERS TO THOSE NUMBERS AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION THAT GETS US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN A MEANINGFUL WAY AT THIS JUNCTURE AND NOT KICK THE CAN DOWN CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR FUTURE AND. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE USE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND NOT CREATE THOSE HYPERBOLIC EXAGGERATED COMMENTS THAT ARE CAUSING THE TOWN HARM AND IN OUR DAILY COMMUNICATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE.

I THINK IT WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT I AM TAKING NOTES SO FOR EACH PERSON THAT SPEAKS I WILL TRY REFERENCE BACK SO THAT WE ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE STAND UP AND TALK THINK THEY WEREN'T HEARD AND JUST SIT DOWN AND TIME MOVES ON.

I WILL ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS AS IT'S WARRANTED HERE IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATION AND THEN ADDITIONALLY IN PRIVATE EMAILS IF YOU'D LIKE MEETINGS OR TOMORROW'S MEETING AGAIN SO YOU KNOW WE'VE COME ABSOLUTELY THE CHART SHOWS WITH SHORT TERM RENTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY DOES NOT REFLECT THE ACCURATE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS VERY SIMPLE AND SHE PINES FOR EXAMPLE MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS GO DIRECTLY TO THE MINISTER SERVICE ASSOCIATES AND ARE NOT REPORTED TO THE TOWN AND I THINK THE SAME THING IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN PALMETTO DUNES SO THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE INFORMATION THAT THOUGH AT LEAST THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES HAVE IN TERMS WHAT GOES ON THERE.

SO IT'S A 147 PEOPLE AND SHOWS THAT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL UNDER-REPRESENTATION OF THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL COMPLAINTS. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE ANYONE TO ASK ONE LAST FORM? OKAY. COREY WENZEL HELLO.

HELLO WELCOME. COREY WENZEL I LIVE IN 249 WATERFOWL AND.

FIRST OF ALL APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. CANNOT IMAGINE THE FECKLESSNESS THAT GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DAY. I WOULD NOT APPOINT ANYONE BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS AND ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IF THEY COULD ANSWER.

I BELIEVE A HOTEL IS NOT AN STR CORRECT IT IS INTERVAL OCCUPANCY OR A SEPARATE PLACE.

IS THAT ACCURATE? SO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ON SOUTH BEACH, THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE A HOTEL RIGHT NOW. HOTELS EXACTLY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. WHEN YOU PUT RESIDENTIAL UP THERE, I WONDER IF THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR DEFINITION AGAIN, ADD A SUBSET TO IT BECAUSE IT

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SO ON THAT ASPECT THOUGH I COULD ALSO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE TOTAL CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY IS ACCURATE IT'S A RIGHT NUMBER WE CAN CONFIRM IT'S HUNDRED 47 I DON'T DISAGREE THERE COULD BE OTHER COMPLAINTS BUT I COULD ALSO INFER THAT THE SAME PERSON COULD BE COMPLAINING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF TIMES SO THAT EACH OF BECAUSE IT HAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL NEXT DOOR TO IT SO THERE HAS TO BE DISTORTION SIDES.

CORRECT. SO YOU'RE BRINGING UP A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF WHERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL ISSUES RIGHT? COULD IT ALSO NOT BE INFERRED THAT IT'S THE SAME PERSON HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF TIMES GOING TO THOSE SPECIFIC ASSOCIATIONS BECAUSE THEY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO AN SDR? I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT WE PUT ON PAPER AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DATA IN FRONT OF YOU. I DON'T BELIEVE AND IT'S NOT BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE REPORT.

SO THAT MAKES ME QUESTION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH PARTY DATA THAT IS NOT INCLUDED ANYWHERE FOR ANY OF US TO REVIEW. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID ATTENTION TO AS WELL. I DON'T DISAGREE THERE ARE PROBABLY OUTSIDE COMPLAINTS THAT DO NOT GET REGISTERED ON THE SYSTEM SO WOULDN'T ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS BE TO FIX THE SYSTEM? SO IT IS INCREDIBLY ACCURATE AND YOU MAKE THESE COMMUNITIES REPORT THIS INFORMATION AS PART OF THE REST OF YOUR LICENSE THAT WOULD BE TO ME. WE GET THE RIGHT DATA RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT DATA HERE AND GOING OFF THAT DATA AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I READ WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT 9701 IN JANUARY 2022 THE AMOUNT OF STARS AND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ROUGHLY 7000 THE CONSULTANT CONFIRMED IN WRITING COUNSEL THAT HE HAS DATA WAS INCORRECT RIGHT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THE CONSULTANT CONFIRMED THAT IN WRITING HAS PROCESSED AND AND DECIDED THAT CERTAINLY THAT WAS AN INCORRECT NUMBER GOT IT OKAY I DO NOT CURRENTLY OWN ANY STARS THAT ARE RENTED SO TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE $1 COMING IN OR WE HAVEN'T PAID A FOR IT SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT SUBJECT.

I GUESS I WOULD ASK ALSO ASK IF THERE WAS EVER A MORATORIUM PUT IN PLACE.

I ASSUME LOT MORE DISCUSSIONS HERE. I AGREE WITH YOUR EARLIER STATEMENT THAT IS THE MOST DANGEROUS THING YOU COULD HAVE IN REAL ESTATE.

IT KIND OF EQUALS DEATH. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE WHEN YOU PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE OR YOU STOP A PROCESS, YOU STOP TENS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES THAT OPERATE THE SPECTRUM OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THAT'S EVEN ON THE TABLE OR EVEN A CONSIDERATION, I'D LIKE A COPY OF THE BOND REPORTS THAT I HOPE OUR FINANCE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN STUDYING ON OUR TRIPLE-A CREDIT RATING. I'VE TALKED TO COLLEAGUES IN NEW YORK AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLY CONCERNED IF YOU PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE YOUR BOND RATINGS ARE BASED UPON CURRENT FUTURE REVENUE AND LITIGATION THAT COULD OCCUR THEREFORE OF SO WHEN ALL THOSE PIECES ARE PUT IN THE PUZZLE, THE ACTUARIAL AND THE UNDERWRITERS ARE GOING TO REVIEW OUR BONDS ALL THE TIME AND PUT US ON A RED NOTICE BECAUSE WE PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE IF IT OCCURRED. DO WE HAVE STUDIES OR INFORMATION FROM CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS IF THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE, HAS COUNSEL ON ANY WORK OUTSIDE OF OR LOOKED AT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT JUST ON OUR CURRENT TRIPLE-A CREDIT RATED BONDS? THAT'S A DIRECT QUESTION AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO AVOID IT. YES, I DO THINK IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S BEST ANSWERED TOMORROW DURING THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE ADDITION OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE HERE CAN. I ASK IF THERE HAS BEEN A STUDY DONE ARE YOU AWARE OF A STUDY WHERE ANY CONSULTANT WAS PAID FOR ANY ADDITIONAL RESEARCH IF THERE WAS EVER THE POSSIBILITY OF A MORATORIUM ON THE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR YEARS SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY FUNDS HAVE EVER BEEN SPENT ON IT OR ANY THIRD PARTY EXPERTS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITUATION. IS THIS A CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE ENTERING IN DISCUSSION AND THAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW AND NOTHING MORE THAN MY KNOWLEDGE IF YOU WANT MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IS THAT THAT INFORMATION ASKING FOR ME VERY MAY VERY WELL MAY BE WHEN IT'S REPORTED I'M SORRY I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANSWER TO ME THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. YES, MY PERSONAL ANSWER AT THIS POINT SINCE YOU SEEM TO WANT ONE AND THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANT TO YES SIR.

NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE A YES OR SO IF YOU WANT YES OR NO THEN I'M GOING TO SAY NO WITH A QUALIFIER AND YOU'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW FROM OTHERS. IS THERE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT? HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY STUDIES OR TALKED WITH GENERAL COUNSEL ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY BEYOND EXTENSIVE LITIGATION AND HOW THE ISLAND WOULD WORK THAT OR COVER IT? SO THE SAME THING FOR TOMORROW AT THE LAST WELL YES AND TOMORROW ABSOLUTELY.

BUT WE DID HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING WITH REGARD TO MORATORIUMS AND THE LEGALITIES BUT AS A VOTING PLEASE MAKE SURE IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS VERIFY THAT AS WELL I CANNOT

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AND SOMETHING THAT I FOUND INTERESTING JUST THIS PAST AS I WAS REVIEWING AGAIN I CAME ACROSS ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT I'LL COMMENT ON WHERE TOWNS WERE WE GOING BEING GONE FOR AND IT WAS A REFERENCE TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE VARIOUS FOR THE BUSINESS THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS INDEED AS AND MANY TOWNS AND CITIES AND RESORT AREAS HAVE IMPLEMENTED ALL SORTS OF VARIETY OF RESTRICTIONS, REGULATIONS AND MORATORIUMS. IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT HILTON HEAD WAS BOTHERSOME TO ME IT'S MORE THAN INTERESTING. IT WAS BOTHERSOME TO ME THAT HILTON HEAD WAS THE ONE OF TWO.

THEN SHE GOT TO WHERE ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY NO REGULATION, NO REGULATION, NO REGULATION.

IT'S AN OPEN FIELD. AND SO WHAT'S BEING HIGHLIGHTED AS A PLACE FOR FOLKS TO COME PERHAPS NOT PRIMARY RESIDENT OWNERS AS IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH SPECIFIC GOALS BUT FOR INVESTORS TO COME AND TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TOWN'S LACK OF REGULATION IN PLACE CURRENTLY AND THAT IS BOTHERSOME ME BECAUSE THAT AS I SAID IN MY OPENING COMMENT IMPACTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS ON THE ISLAND AND THAT IS UNDENIABLE.

WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THE RESIDENTS AS I AS I HEARD THE SLOGAN RESIDENTS FIRST WAS A SLOGAN RESIDENTS FIRST ISN'T A SLOGAN.

RESIDENTS FIRST HAS MEANS THAT . WE LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE AS SERIOUSLY AS WE AS WE GET UP IN THE MORNING AND WE LOOK IN THE MIRROR IT'S THE FIRST THING I THINK OF IS THE PRIORITY AND SO SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT FORWARD BECAUSE I HEAR YOUR ARGUMENT AND I UNDERSTAND SOME VALID POINTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ANSWERS MYSELF BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS AND NOT AS A SLOGAN BUT THE REALITY AS A PRIORITY. SO AM I.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE TRICKLE PRONGS THAT AFFECT FROM EVERY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT IS HERE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER THE STATE THAT ALL MAKE MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS THIS COMMUNITY BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE THERE DOES AND I THINK FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES LISTENING TO AND TAKING IT IN TO ANALYZING AND COMING FORWARD WITH THE BEST DECISIONS THAT WE CAN AND THIS NOT A SAID AND DONE RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION YOUR TIME.

OKAY, KEN, WAS THAT CLASS WHO HAD SIGNED UP AND JUST LET ME ASK GENERALLY SPEAKING IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO HADN'T SIGNED UP I SUGGEST YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? HELLO? HI JACK.

DARLING, I HAVE A BUSINESS IN FORCE BEACH AND I LIVE IN VENICE BEACH SO I DO BELIEVE THE BALANCE WE TRY TO STRIKE A DEAL NOW BETWEEN SHORT TERM RENTALS AND RESIDENTS.

IT HAS TO BE A BALANCE AND IS TRICKY BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT'S NOT FOR OR AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS AND I WANT THANK STEVE DESMOND IF YOU'RE NEW HERE THE NAMEPLATES SWITCH THAT'S ABOUT SAFETY AND I A LOT OF HOMES IN OUR AREA WERE MAYBE FOUR BEDROOM THREE BATHS WHEN THEY WERE PURCHASED. NOW LESS THAN SIX BEDROOM, FOUR BATH. I HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING TO MY BUSINESS AND SAY YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE IT HERE AND I HAVE FOUR KIDS IN A BUNK WITH NO WINDOW. THERE WAS A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS MADE PURELY FOR PROFIT MAYBE A BLIND EYE TO SAFETY AND HONESTLY THAT WAS KIND OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD WAS A BIG PARTNER IN THAT MISTAKE.

YOU KNOW BEAUFORT GETS INSPECTED TWICE YEAR FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS BLOCKED AND WANTS AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER I HAVE GREASE TRAP INSPECTIONS MAYBE FOUR TIMES A YEAR FIRE INSPECTIONS, FOOD SAFETY INSPECTIONS. I HAVE A COMMERCIAL LICENSE.

I HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE. I GET INSPECTED ALL THE TIME IF .

YOU HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE AND YOU'RE MAKING BIG BUSINESS AND ARE PEOPLE TALKING TO BIG MONEY ABOUT TERM RENTALS THEN IT'S ONLY GOOD GOVERNMENT SO I'M NOT BLAMING THEM NECESSARILY BUT IT'S ONLY GOOD GOVERNANCE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE DOWNSTREAM PART OF BUSINESS.

YES COLLECT THE MONEY, COLLECT A LOT, KEEP THE BEACH BUT ON THE DOWNSTREAM IT IS GOOD

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IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO DIDN'T SIGN UP WHO HASN'T SPOKEN? YES, SIR.

THANK I'M LEE STEPHENS. I LIVE AT 31 WISTERIA LANE AND SEA PINES.

I CAME TO LISTEN BUT WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T SIGN UP A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

ONE I WANT TO COMMEND THE TOWN ON ON PUTTING FORTH REGULATIONS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.

IT'S I THINK WAS IMPORTANT AND I ALSO WANT TO COMMEND THE ENFORCEMENT GROUP THEIR RESPONSIVENESS IN THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HAVE MADE OR PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, THE RESPONSIVENESS HAS BEEN TERRIFIC. I WANT TO MENTION THAT BACK IN THE FALL 23 I REACHED OUT TO STEVE WHO'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT A HOME IN THE SEA PINES THAT'S THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH THAT I WAS LISTING ON VR BIO SLEEPS 24 AND I REACHED OUT TO STEVE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY REGULATION IN THE TOWN ON OCCUPANCY AND I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THERE WASN'T SO I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND PUT THAT IN PLACE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT FOR A COMMUNITY INSIDE OF PINES CALLED GREENWOOD FOREST WE HAVE 190 HOMES. 70 OF THOSE ARE RENTALS. 69 OF THOSE ARE OWNERS THAT DO A GREAT JOB AND RENTING ONE IS A CONTINUING PROBLEM THAT AGAIN THE ENFORCEMENT GROUP OF THE TOWN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. SO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE 3730 7% OF OUR OWNERS RENT THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT. BUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET I THINK IS WHAT MAKES THOSE NINE OF 70 GOOD OWNERS OF RENTAL PROPERTIES.

SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER THAT NEED FOR REGULATIONS IS IS NOT FOR RESPONSIBLE OWNERS BUT FOR THE VIOLATORS AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I ALSO THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR NUMBERS RENTAL UNITS, IT'S I THINK IT'S CONSIDERABLY UNDERCOUNT UNDERCOUNTED PARTICULARLY IN SEA PINES. AND LASTLY I'M A AGAIN I MENTIONED WE HAVE 70 OUT OF 190 THAT RENT AND WE'D LIKE OUR RENTERS OUR RENTERS COME THEY USE THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE THEM WHICH IS A SWIMMING POOL, TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL BASKETBALL PLAYGROUND AND MANY OF OUR RENTERS ARE NOW OWNERS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REGULATE THE RENTAL COMMUNITY BUT THAT WE ALSO LOOK AT THEM AS POTENTIAL OWNERS IN THE FUTURE WHICH I THINK MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN AND THANK YOU ,THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMPLIMENT TO OUR ENFORCEMENT. I'M PARTICULARLY PROUD OF THEM. I THINK WE ALL ARE AND THERE ARE NECESSARY PART OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND I AM NOT A BIG REGULATION PERSON.

I'M LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND I THINK PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO AS THEY SEE FIT IN THEIR BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE COME TO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THE RIGHT THING AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY CAUSING THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WE NOW HAVE TO ADDRESS.

AND SO REGULATIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND THAT'S JUST AND A FACT OF LIFE.

SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SEE ALL NEXT STEP TO BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO COUNCIL. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE DISCUSSION IT'S MY IT'S MY HOPE THAT THE STAFF WILL HAVE TAKEN THE NOTES AND I'M SURE THEY'RE BUSILY WRITING BACK THERE AND THEY WILL HEAR THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AS A COUNCIL TO TO SEE MOVE FORWARD. AND WHEN I MAKE THE REPORT TOMORROW TO TOWN COUNCIL I'LL DO THE SAME BRINGING THAT FORWARD THEN WE WILL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION TOMORROW AND NEXT STEPS. SO YES THAT IS THE THAT IS THE HOPE THAT IS THE GOAL COMING OUT OF HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE ATTENDANCE MELINDA AND PATSY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN THE CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS . AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW AS A COUNCIL MEMBERS YOU'RE NOT LIMITED TO YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS JUNCTURE AS WE BEGIN TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF ITEMS YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO TO COME BACK TO CHIME IN MOVED TO

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IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL. I'VE BEEN TAKING OF NOTES WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT REMARKS AND QUESTIONS SO I JUST WANT TO THANK FOLKS FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT I DO HOPE THAT YOU WOULD US SOME INSTRUCTION AS TO WHAT YOUR THINKING IS ON THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS BEFORE YOU. I THINK THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HEAR YOU. MELINDA DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AT THIS? ARE WE TO TO LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE OKAY OKAY. WELL WITH THAT AND CHIME ON ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY SURE I'M MATT LEWIS I LIVE IN THE HOLIDAY HOMES NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE TRYING FIGURE OUT WHETHER I REALLY WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING OR NOT. WE WE ARE PART OF THE VOCAL MINORITY I THINK IT WAS IT WAS SAID THAT WAY. WE'RE A GROUP OF RESIDENTS 57 BUILDING LOTS SMALL QUAINT 1950S HOMES THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SEVENTIES SOME OF OUR NEWER SOME ARE BIGGER SOME ARE SMALLER AND WE HAVE A QUAINT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE REALLY ENJOY. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT WE ENJOY AND WE BOUGHT IN THAT AREA WAITED A WHOLE YEAR UNTIL A HOUSE CAME UP IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE THE GATES AND IT WAS A PLACE WHERE YOU REALLY COULD LIVE THE ISLAND THAT YOU WANTED TO LIVE IN YOUR IN YOUR LATER YEARS AND RETIREMENT CURRENTLY WE'VE BEEN HAVING OR ARE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE THE FINAL THREE LOTS IN THE IN THE SUBDIVISION NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN PURCHASED BY A DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE BUILDING SOME SEVEN BEDROOM FIVE AND A HALF BATH HOMES THAT LOOK LIKE THE RESORT COMMUNITY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM US SAND CASTLE ESTATES AND YOU KNOW THEIR PLANS TOO IS TO BRING IN 20 TO 30 PEOPLE AT A TIME TO LIVE IN THOSE HOMES IN A SHORT TERM RENTAL BUSINESS AND AND THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD FOR THEM BUT IT'S NOT REAL GOOD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S NO ONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WELL MAYBE ONE OR TWO BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY ENJOY ISLAND.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISLAND IS TOURISM. WE WE APPRECIATE THE TOURISM AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST TOURISM. WE JUST DON'T WANT IT IN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SEEING AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, 2.5% OF THE WHOLE PICTURE AND OKAY YOU JUST DO WITHOUT US AND LEAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE AND AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE ISLAND AS WELL ON THAT WERE ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED FOR THE WORKERS ON THIS ISLAND THAT ARE SMALL HOMES THERE, YOU KNOW BIG DEAL TO ANYBODY ELSE BUT WE ALL LIKE THEM AND WE THERE FOR A REASON AND THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP WE BELIEVE IN DEVELOPERS SAYING OH WOW YOU KNOW WE GOT A WHOLE NOTHER 57 WELL NOW 54 LOTS AND WE CAN GO PUT SOME GIANT HOMES ON AND START RENTING OUT AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF NOT LIKING THAT SO WE'RE WORKING OVERLAY TRYING TO GET SOME CHANGES MADE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S JUST A SMALL GROUP OF THESE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT UNDERSTAND WE NEED TOURISM.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WE WERE TOURISTS AT ONE TIME AND NOW WE'RE OWNERS AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST ENJOY OUR HOMES AND ENJOY OUR FAMILIES AND ENJOY OUR NEIGHBORS AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT 23% SHORT TERM RENTALS NOW AND YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS UP AND DOWN THE STREET ALL THE TIME DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE DIFFERENT TIMES OF NIGHT, YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND KNOW THAT WAS YOU KNOW, JOE OR IT WAS ED OR IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYMORE. SO KNOW WE JUST WERE GOOD WITH HAVING CONDOS, HAVING RENTALS, HAVING WHATEVER BUT YOU KNOW JUST LEAVING A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND AND HELP US MAKE SOME CHANGES THAT WILL AND WILL SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO LIVE AND AND ENJOY THE ISLAND LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK I THINK THAT SUMS IT UP IN A NUTSHELL FOR YES. AND DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT SO I HADN'T PLANNED TO SPEAK BUT IT'S FINE. I JUST THINK I NEED TO SAY A FEW THINGS.

I'D I'VE BEEN AN ISLAND RESIDENT SINCE THE EARLY 80 SECONDS.

NAME AND ADDRESS YOUR NAME FOR EDWIN ERNST. I'VE BEEN AN ISLAND RESIDENT SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES AND. I'VE LIVED MOST OF MY TIME IN THE HOLIDAY HOMES NEIGHBORHOOD

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THE TOWN HAS FAILED TO MAINTAIN A BALANCE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE ISLAND UP IN OUR AREA IN GENERAL ALL THESE LITTLE PARCELS THEY'RE BUILDING HIGH DENSITY HOMES JAMMED INTO THESE LOTS AND THE GREEN SPACE IS DISAPPEARING FOR FIVE FOOT. SO THE OVERALL APPEAL OF THE ISLAND IN MY OPINION IS DIMINISHED AT A RAPID RATE AS FAR AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD I ECHO WHAT MATT SAID THERE ARE NUMEROUS SMALL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ON THIS ISLAND THAT HAVE BEEN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THEIR FAMILY AND PEOPLE CONTINUE TO RAISE CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN AND THERE IS NO PROTECTION BY THE TOWN TO PREVENT NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE DEVELOPERS AND TURNED INTO MORE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPLEXES. I I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO DO A MORATORIUM I WAS A BUILDER BACK WHEN THIS OTHER MORATORIUM WAS DISCUSSED SO I KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES AND I KNOW IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE BUT I THINK THE KEY HERE IS BALANCE AND REASONABLENESS TO MAINTAIN THE LITTLE THAT IS LEFT OF THE APPEAL OF THE ISLAND.

I MEAN I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER MYRTLE BEACH I DON'T KNOW HOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC FEELS BUT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO LIVE HERE, AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THE DESIRABILITY GONE AS FAR AS THE SMALL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS KEEP THE SHORT TERM OUT OF THEM . I'M NOT AGAINST SHORT TERM RENTALS BUT THEM IN THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR HIGH DENSITY TOURIST ACTIVITY NOT IN THE PRIVATE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. I MEAN I KNOW YOU ALL LIVE ON THE ISLAND.

YOU'VE PROBABLY WORKED YOUR LIVES TO BUY YOUR HOUSE AND YOU WANT TO TEAR TURN INTO THE ALL IN THE NEXT STORY. I'M SURE NOT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING IS BALANCE REASONABLENESS ACROSS THE ISLAND KEEP THE DENSITY SHORT TERM RENTALS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE TOURIST AREAS. AND I ALSO AGREE BEING A BUILDER THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS NEED REGULATION FROM A LIFE SAFETY STANDPOINT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU HAVE THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOMES THAT THEY'RE PACKING 20 PEOPLE INTO THESE HOUSES THAT'S NOT A SAFE SITUATION. I KNOW THERE WAS A HOUSE IN PALMETTO DUNES NOT LONG AGO THAT BURNED AND SOMEBODY PERISHED AGAIN.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS, HAVE THEM ADD OCCUPANCIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL THEY NEED TO BE REGULATED AS SUCH THANK YOU I THINK PART OF SOME VERY GOOD POINTS THAT I THINK WE'RE TO BE DISCUSSING MOMENTARILY SO YES TO ALFRED NOT TO SMOKE I THINK IT IMPORTANT THAT WE MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH ADOPTING DEALING WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT IS AS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE THIS MEETING AND TOMORROW'S MEETING ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH IS LET'S SOME RULES IN EFFECT TO DEAL WITH THE THINGS THAT WE FIND THAT THE PUBLIC CONCERNED ABOUT. TO THAT END I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSALS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND MR. THIS MORNING ARE VERY GOOD ONES AND THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE AS PRESENTED. I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS RESURGED BY THE STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT GOES ON ELSEWHERE.

WE'RE NOT INCLUDED PERMIT CAMPS, LOCATION RESTRICTIONS. I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE THOSE UP LATER BUT NOT RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT DEALS WITH THE PRIMARY PROBLEM. MY OWN PERSONAL CONCERNS RELATE TO A DISTINCTION IN MY MIND AT LEAST BETWEEN INVESTMENT AND RESIDENCE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE

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IT'S A VERY COMMON EXPERIENCE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT.

WHAT I AM REALLY VERY HAPPY ABOUT IS THE OUT OF STATE INVESTOR INDIVIDUAL CORPORATE OTHERWISE WHO DOESN'T SPEND ANY TIME IN THE HOUSE. IT'S SOLELY FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT STANDARDS OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND AT ALL. THE ONE OF THE OTHER ASPECTS THAT CONCERNS ME IS IS THE VERY NUMBER OF ROOMS OR BEDROOMS AND THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS. WE HAVE ALMOST ALL OF THE RENTAL FACILITIES ARE FOR LESS THAN 20 OCCUPANTS. WHEN YOU GET OVER THAT NUMBER YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF CROWDING, A LOT OF CARS AND A LOT OF NOISE.

I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING RENTAL UNITS AVAILABLE AT 20 OR HIGHER BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD GO FORWARD ESSENTIALLY WITH THE PROPOSAL MR. LYONS REPRESENTED THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU STEVE. ARE YOU GOING TO GO THROUGH YOU KNOW WHAT EVERY SINGLE ITEM MY MY INTENTION WAS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS HEARD US TALK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT AND FOLKS HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED. THE CONFUSION THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW.

THE ANXIETY FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PURCHASE, ETC. BECOMES IS HEIGHTENED.

AND SO I THINK YEAH I THINK THIS IS OUR TIME. THIS WHEN WE ARE GOING TO SPEND SOME SOME TIME GOING THROUGH LINE BY LINE ITEM INCLUDING THOSE THAT YOU MENTIONED STEVE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT SEAN PRESENTED TO US AND OTHERS THAT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO YOU MAY BE IMPORTANT TO THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THOSE WE'VE HEARD HERE TODAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S MY PLAN. I WANT TO STAY AROUND YEAH I MEAN YEAH I WANT TO PROBABLY HAVE A COMMENT ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM OKAY BUT PERFECT TO BEGIN WITH I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. I KNOW IT'S I KNOW IT'S A STEP RELATED ISSUE AND MAYBE YOU KNOW IT ANYWAY IT'S. I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO INSPECT THE UNITS BEFORE ISSUING A PERMIT, INSPECT THEM FOR ALL THE SAFETY AND CODE VIOLATIONS BUT YOU GOT TO INSPECT THEIR PARKING. I IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY FILE FOR A PERMIT HAS THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE AND POST FOR RENT IN THAT STRUCTURE AND IF THAT'S FORMULATED PRIOR TO THEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN THEY WALK IN AND FILL OUT THEIR PERMIT BECAUSE THAT ADVERTISEMENT AND THAT PERMIT APPLICATION IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR THAT INSPECTION AND YOU'LL ALWAYS HAVE THEIR ADVERTISEMENT ON FILE AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO SEARCH OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT ARE THEY TELLING PEOPLE ON R.B. BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR FILE AND IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION AND YOU START THE LINE AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU STARTED WITH INSPECTIONS NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS AND I ACTUALLY THINK NUMBER ONE BELONGS AT THE END ANYWAY SO GREAT INTRODUCTION TO INSPECTIONS AND YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS STEVE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING WITH REGARD INSPECTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I THINK INSPECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT I THINK THE ONE THING THAT I UNDERSTAND HAS BEEN DONE CURRENTLY IS THAT THERE IS IN FACT SOME STUDY OF THAT ARE BEING MADE AND THAT THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS BEING COMPARED TO WHAT'S IN THE PERMIT AND WHEN THE PERMIT SAYS FOR BEDROOMS AND THEY ADVERTISE AND SAYS SIX BEDROOMS, YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF SEARCHING FOR WHAT THE ADS ARE.

THANK YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY POINT THAT YOU KNOW, RIGHT WHEN THEY APPLY AND YOU

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AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE THANK YOU I'D LIKE TO INVITE COUNCILWOMAN TANNER LINDA TO JOIN. THANKS AS. WE GO THROUGH THESE I MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE UP HERE BUT I'M IN THE FRONT ROW. I APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE BECAUSE TO HONEST WITH ALL THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED I DIDN'T QUITE KNOW WHERE WE WERE AND I WOULD JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMMON GROUND THAT STR IS ARE CREATING ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR POLICIES IS THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING QUICKLY AND SO IT'S ABOUT HOW WE GET THERE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO ME TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S IN REGARDS TO INSPECTIONS I HAD A QUESTION STEVE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HAVING AN INSPECTION BEFORE THE PERMIT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE THAT IS NEW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT INSPECTIONS AS THE PERMIT IS BEING RENEWED? WELL, DEFINITELY FOR A NEW FOR A NEW PERMIT AND OR FOR ANY PERMIT IT'S NEVER BEEN INSPECTED YEAH.

OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IF ANY OF THEM I MEAN I'M SURE STAFF WOULD KNOW HAVE BEEN INSPECTED BUT MAINLY THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE BUILDERS ARE THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE AND BECAUSE THEY'RE STRUCTURED PARKING THERE'S MANAGERS ON DUTY, THERE'S YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH POLICED ON ITS OWN.

I DO THINK WE DO NEED TO INSPECT THEM FROM TIME TO TIME BUT MAINLY MY FOCUS IS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. OKAY SO ON A NEW AND THEN I THINK THERE'S THE QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FROM AUDIENCE ABOUT IN DOING INSPECTIONS ON OUR PORTFOLIO AND WHETHER THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO SO THE 7000 WHETHER WE DO THE 7000 OR WE IDENTIFY CRITERIA OR YOU LOOK FOR A IS LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE IT SAYS MR. DE SAMOAN BUT YOU'RE MR. ROCKFORD YOU KNOW I THINK WE NEED TO GET PARTICULAR ON THAT AND I MEAN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE NEED TO GET PARTICULAR IN THAT LANGUAGE.

SO I WE NEED TO ADDRESS WHAT THE NEW AND WHAT THE CURRENT PORTFOLIO AND HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON THAT. THANK YOU MARLON. PATSY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT AT THIS POINT WITH REGARD TO INSPECTION AS YOU WENT OKAY.

SO GOING TO JUMP IN THEN UNLESS SHAWN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON? OKAY. SO I THINK INSPECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT.

I THINK WHEN WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

I THOUGHT INSPECTIONS WERE IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF THE REASONS YOU'VE HERE TODAY AND IF OUR JOB AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IS SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH AS OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE RESIDENTS, TO OUR VISITORS ,THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

WE NEED TO INSPECT THE UNITS IN TOTALITY THOSE IN EXISTENCE CURRENTLY WHEN THEY GO UP WITH EVERY NEW AS WELL AS THOSE COME IN AS NEW PERMITS APPLICATIONS AND A NUMBER OF THINGS FROM PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ON THAT THAT THAT COME TO MIND AS I RECALL BACK PRIOR TO EVEN CHIEF BLANKENSHIP WHEN OUR FORMER CHIEF WAS HERE IT WAS A MATTER OF HOW MUCH CAN THEY DO BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THEY WERE BEING ASKED POTENTIALLY TO DO THOSE INSPECTIONS AND THERE WAS A COST BURDEN, THERE WAS A STAFF BURDEN AND THE REST. SO I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS TO TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AND AND PLACE IT PERHAPS IN OUR ENFORCEMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE AND THEN TO PAY FOR IT WE SHOULD HAVE AN INSPECTION FEE AS PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A PERMIT TO RUN A BUSINESS THEN YOU AND YOU AS CHECK POINTED OUT OWN A BUSINESS. YOU ROUTINELY GET INSPECTED BY THE STANDARDS THAT WE EITHER SET OR THAT WE SET AND APPLY TO A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WHICH ARE AND SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY POSITION NOW HASN'T CHANGED WE SHOULD BE INSPECTING AND WE SHOULD BE TAKING NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL BURDEN FINDING A MORE APPROPRIATE PERHAPS PLACE FOR THAT AND PAYING FOR BY THE PERSON WHO IS HAVING THE BENEFIT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO INSPECTIONS TO ME ARE IMPORTANT. WHAT ARE THEY INSPECTING? SO WHEN YOU APPLY A PERMIT MY SCENARIO IS THAT YOU ALSO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN OF YOUR

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YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS OF ALL THE SAFETY RELATED DEVICES ALARM CEO'S EXTINGUISHERS, ESCAPE LADDERS, FIRE BLANKETS, ESCAPE MAPS. I WAS RECENTLY IN A HOTEL WHILE ON A FAMILY TRIP AND WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE BEFORE AND PROBABLY HAVE NEVER TAKEN NOTICE BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME AND I SAID TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS PICTURES OF THE OF THE DOOR WHICH SHOW AN ESCAPE PLAN AND WHAT TO DO AND WHERE THINGS ARE LOCATED THEY ARE RENTING TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE CONTRACTED WITH THEM FOR A SPACE AND THEY WANT TO KEEP US SAFE.

I LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT'S A HIGH TIME WE DO THAT HERE IN HILTON HEAD.

SO THOSE ARE THE PARAMETERS WITHIN WHICH A SITE PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED AS PART OF A PERMIT AND THEN AND THEN THEN INSPECTION IS TO CONFIRM THAT INFORMATION WHEN WHEN YOU GO OUT WHEN OUR INSPECTORS GO OUT, THEY'RE ALSO CONFIRMING WHATEVER THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE CURRENTLY WE HAVE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARK YOUR VEHICLES NOT THE RENTAL THE SHORT TERM RENTAL VISITORS MUST BE ABLE TO PARK THE VEHICLES ON SITE OF THE PROPERTY NOT IN THE GRASS, NOT THE LANDSCAPED PINE STRAW AREA, NOT THE STREETS AND IN THAT IT HAS TO BE AND THIS WILL BE A PART OF A DISCUSSION IT HAS TO BE IN A ROOM AND A SURFACE AREA WHETHER IT'S IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIOUS THAT'S PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS IS THE CONVERSATION THAT I WANT TO HAVE. BUT THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS CURRENTLY. AND SO IF WE STICK WITH THAT AND TALK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THAT HOW MANY PARKING ARE AVAILABLE ON SITE THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE INSPECTION PROCESS. IN ADDITION, THE PERMIT SHOULD INCLUDE FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE AN HLA OR A PLAY THAT THEY HAVE AN APPROVAL LETTER JUST THEY WOULD IF THEY WERE COMING IN TO TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT THAT THE COVENANTS IN THEIR HIPAA MANAGEMENT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT MANAGEMENT CAN THEY CAN HANDLE THESE ISSUES WELL THAT'S GOOD I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT BUT LIKE TO SEE SOME VERIFICATION THAT THEY'VE BEEN MADE AWARE AND THAT THEY TO AGREE THAT THIS IS A PERMIT AND SHOULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES HAVING TO MANAGE THAT PROPERTY IN GENERAL. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME WITH REGARD TO INSPECTIONS THERE ARE PROBABLY ADDITIONAL INSPECTION ITEMS THAT GO ALONG WITH PERMITS BUT IF THIS DOESN'T QUALIFY AS AN INSPECTION ITEM IT IS A PERMIT ITEM.

SO I GUESS IT IS REVIEWED AND INSPECTED. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE INSURANCE IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS VERSUS RESIDENTIAL SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IF WE DETERMINE THAT THESE ARE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES AS I THINK WE CAN AGREE THEY ARE, THEN THEY OUGHT TO BE CARRYING THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS INSURANCE LIABILITY ETC. AND QUITE HONESTLY I HAVE A NOTE HERE AND THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT AND LOOK WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT BUT YOU KNOW AS I SIT HERE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFETY AND THE WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS AND THE VISITORS TO THIS ISLAND, I WORRY THAT AS WE HAVE A PERMITTED SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SAFE WHERE THINGS HAPPEN AND THANK GOD MORE HAVEN'T HAPPENED THAN HAVE ARE WE LIABLE AS A TOWN WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERNS ABOUT LAWSUITS IN THE BACKGROUND ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH MORATORIUM AND THESE TYPES THINGS.

BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TOWN'S LIABILITY SHOULD ALLOW PERMITS AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND. WE DIDN'T TAKE THE NECESSARY OR HAVE THE NECESSARY PROTOCOLS IN PLACE. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

I WANT TO HEAR FEEDBACK ABOUT AND PERHAPS YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL ITEM ITEMS AND I LABEL THAT ALL UNDER INSPECTIONS THOUGH I MAY BRING UP A COUPLE OF THOSE COMMENTS LATER AND THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE UP AND I THIS IS JUST AS GOOD A TIME AS ANY BECAUSE I MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT AN ISSUE LIKE CHECKING OFF I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A A CONDO VILLA COMPLEX ON

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THESE PROBLEMS LED TO OUR HIRING OF THE SECURITY. SO MY POINT BEING WHILE WE SAY THE ATO IS IN PLACE CAN MANAGE THIS THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OWN DIFFICULTIES DOING THAT TO JUST SIMPLY LOOK AWAY AND SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSIST THERE I THINK MIGHT BE SHORT SIGHTED AND I GO ON GARBAGE PETS MISCELLANEOUS INFRACTIONS ETC. BUT I THINK MY POINT WAS MADE WITH REGARD TO THAT SO I'LL IT SIT FOR THE TIME BEING.

PATSY ARE YOU PREPARED ABOUT INSPECTIONS NOW? ARE YOU STILL WANTING TO HOLD? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. YOUR THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I AGREE WITH INSPECTIONS WITH ABOUT 7000 PERMITS. WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO ALL THAT. BUT IN 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER THE TIME PERIOD IS.

SO I THINK WE WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO LET'S PHASE THEM IN LET'S PICK THE TARGET AREAS AND START WITH THOSE TARGET AREAS MAYBE IT'S THE LARGER HOMES WHERE WE HAVE MORE CONCERN ABOUT LIFE SAFETY ISSUES AND I AGREE THAT COMPARING THE ADS TO THE PERMITTING IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THEM AND I'M SHOCKED AT HOW MANY AS MR. ALFRED MENTIONED, HOW MANY FOLKS COULD BE IN ONE UNIT. IT'S HORRIFYING WITHOUT LIFE SAFETY MEASURES I WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE LIST SINCE I THINK THE CHAIR ALSO LOOKED AT SOME OTHER ITEMS. SO WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT SECTION I AGREE WITH THE DEFINITIONS AND I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. I AGREE WITH THAT THE PERMIT REQUIREMENT LICENSES, FEES AND TAXES I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S TWO SEPARATE KIND OF STORIES THAT WE HAVE ONE PRETTY MUCH OR WHAT I WOULD CALL COMMERCIAL STARS THE REALLY LARGE STRUCTURES WITH LARGE OCCUPANCY AND THEN THE OTHER OTHER SMALLER ONES LIKE A STUDIO TWO MAYBE THREE BEDROOM CONDOS OR VILLAS WHICH ARE MORE SINGLE FAMILY ORIENTED BUT THEY'RE LARGE THEY'VE BEEN CALLED MCMANSIONS, MANY HOTELS THOSE TRULY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND DO NOT NEED TO BE IN SINGLE FAMILY AREAS. SO ADDITIONAL LICENSE OR FEES FOR THAT THE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT THE CHAIR'S MADE THERE NEEDS TO BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER PARKING SPACES I DON'T CARE HOW MANY BEDROOMS YOU HAVE WE NEED TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND ALSO TO PROHIBIT PARKING OVER THE PROPERTY IT'S GOT TO BE SPECIFICALLY IN IN EARMARKED AREAS NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS. WE'VE DONE SOME THAT ADDRESS TRASH SERVICE REQUIREMENTS.

WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT FOR OUR OWN LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. I'M HORRIFIED AT WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH BLOCK ROOMS ON THE TOP LEVEL OF HOUSES FOR CHILDREN TEN CHILDREN AND A BATHROOM WITH A LITTLE BITTY WINDOW TO CRAWL OUT OF THE THIRD STORY. HOW CAN WE ALLOW THAT ON THIS ISLAND? I CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT THAT THAT WE'VE GOT TO THAT OCCUPANCY LIMITS ABSOLUTELY FOR THAT VERY REASON THE IMPACT ALMOST ON THE EXISTING AND I'M GLAD HEAR THE FOLKS FROM HOLIDAY HOMES TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SEEN THAT TOO MANY TIMES WE'VE SEEN IT IN FOREST BEACH WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED BY COVENANTS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE WITHIN THEIR LOCATION WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY LIMITS AND ITS ON OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATION RESTRICTION THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TOUGH ONE THAT REQUIRES A STUDY AFTER OUR DISTRICT PLANS ARE ADOPTED AND ALSO AFTER WE LOOK AT A REWRITE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN CREATE NEW ZONING MAPS.

SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT LOCATION RESTRICTIONS AND CAPS AND.

I AGREE WITH MR. ALFORD THAT WE NEED TO PUT THAT OFF UNTIL WE CAN LOOK AT THE ELEMENTARY REWRITE. SO I THINK I'LL RUN DOWN THE LIST THERE SOME OF THE OCCUPANCY SUGGESTIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I THINK ACTUALLY NEED TO BE REDUCED.

AND THEN LET ME SEE MADAM CHAIR, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I'VE LEFT OFF THE LIST BUT I THOUGHT I'LL COME UP ONCE YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO RETURN.

THANK YOU. OF COURSE. ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS OH OKAY. WELL LET ME ADDRESS SOME

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THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CONTRACTED EMPLOYER FOR SUCH A THING THAT WE ENTERTAIN AGAIN BEING PAID FOR BY THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THE THING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOUR IDEA A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WAS THE OCCUPANCY AND TWO KINDS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS FIRE AND SAFETY AND OCCUPANCY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT IN THE SMALLER UNITS AS THEY ARE IN THE BIGGER UNITS. THE IDEA THAT YOU ARE FOLKS INTO A SITUATION AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A BEDROOM WAS AND THE SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE FOR THE SPACE AND ULTIMATELY IN MANY CASES UNLIKELY AN ESCAPE PATH OUT IN AN EMERGENCY THAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE BOARD AND PERHAPS EVEN IF WE GO BACK TO THAT THAT PART OF THE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WHERE THE NUMBERS ON OCCUPANCY LIKE IN A STUDIO ACCORDING TO THIS WHICH IS NO BEDROOMS WHETHER WE HAVE SEX ACCORDING TO THIS AND THIS I AGREE WITH WHOEVER MADE THE COMMENT THAT THESE MAY NOT BE FULLY ACCURATE.

I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT TAKING IT FOR IT IS IN FRONT OF US FOR PEOPLE CAN BE HOUSED IN IN THAT ENVIRONMENT SEVEN PEOPLE CAN BE HOUSED IN A ONE BEDROOM SEVEN PEOPLE IN A ONE BEDROOM. SO I WONDER IF IT'S THE ONES ONLY OR IF IT'S THE SMALLER UNITS AS WELL IN A TWO BEDROOM 12 PEOPLE AND I SEE THOSE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY AS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WAS CREATED BUT THAT THOSE DATA POINTS WERE CREATED BUT I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND THEN THREE BEDROOMS 14 WITH AN AVERAGE OF EIGHT. SO SHAWN, HOW DID HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THOSE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY NUMBERS? SO FIRST LET ME PULL UP THAT TABLE.

YEAH, APOLOGIZE IT'S IT'S THE ATTACHMENT THREE ON THE FIRST PAGE.

SO THIS IS DATA THAT IS REPORTED BY THE LICENSE HOLDERS WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PERMIT.

SO WHAT THEY PROVIDE TO US WHAT THEIR MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AND THEY COME TO THAT CONCLUSION BY THEMSELVES THEY'VE COME TO THIS CONCLUSION BY THEMSELVES. SO THIS IS REPORTED THIS IS OUR DATA AVERAGING THE REPORT AVERAGE IN THE REPORT OF DATA THIS IS DATA THAT WE BASED ON PULLING FROM PROBABLY PULLING FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S FOR THE FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM AND THAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY ASSESSOR'S DATA. OKAY SO THE MAXIMUM IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD US THEY INTEND RENT TO THE MAXIMUM AND THEN THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY WHAT THAT IS ACROSS THE SIX UNITS. YEAH SO SO NOT ALL SIX UNITS HAVE SAID FOUR PEOPLE SOME OF THEM HAVE SAID LOWER NUMBER AND SO WE AVERAGE IT KIND OF SAID LESS SOME HAVE BUT THAT'S THE MOST SO YEAH IF YOU LOOK AT TO TWO BEDROOMS THERE'S 2985 SOMEBODY MAYBE MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED 12 BUT THE AVERAGE FOR THAT CATEGORY SIX IS SIX.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFY CLARIFY AND JUST AS A POINT OF STUDIOS THREE BEDROOM UNITS TOTAL TWO IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS WITH ONLY THE BALANCE THE FOUR 310 BEDROOM UNITS BEING 1622.

SO I HEAR THE DISCUSSION PARTY THAT YOU WERE YOU WERE TRYING TO BRING UP WITH REGARD TO TWO TONE KINDS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH WITH A WITH THAT AS A AND DEFINITION THAT A PLACE TO BEGIN TO TO SEPARATE THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHORT TERM RENTALS I THINK A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A SHORT

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WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING IT IS PERFECT. YEAH I MEAN I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE THAT WAY OR WHY WE WOULD THINK THAT IT'S OKAY IT TO BE THAT WAY. SO SO THAT'S THE CURRENT AD AND WHAT SEAN HAS JUST PULLED AS THE PROPOSAL FROM FEBRUARY AND YOU SEE THAT IT STARTED OFF AS YOU THERE'S A THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MATH THAT WAS DONE THERE SO YOU KNOW TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM IS REASONABLE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PLUS TWO BRINGS ME BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF THE BEDROOM BECAUSE I'VE HEARD AS A REASON FOR ADDING TO IS BECAUSE THERE'S A PULL OUT SOFA SOMEWHERE AND THAT'S NOT A BEDROOM SO SEAN YOU HAVE JUST TO CLARIFY HOW WE CAME TO THEM BECAUSE WE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY CRAFTING THIS LANGUAGE THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATH THAT WENT INTO HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THE OCCUPANCY. AT ONE POINT WE DID CONSIDER A TWO PLUS TWO MODEL A 2.32 PLUS THREE MODEL. WE LOOKED AT A LOT DIFFERENT DATA AS WE WENT THROUGH THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HEARD TOO LOW TO HIGH AND SO WE PICKED THE AVERAGE GOING BACK TO THE TWO PLUS TWO. THE TWO WASN'T NECESSARILY I MEAN GOING BACK TO THE PLUS TWO WASN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT A PULL UP COUCH.

THERE ARE SOME WHERE THEY HAVE TWO BEDS AND IT WAS TWO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL PEOPLE OR ADDITIONAL AREAS AND IN A HOUSE WHERE PEOPLE COULD AND THAT'S ALSO A BEST PRACTICE AS WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SEE OTHERS THAT ARE REGULATED LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE UTILIZING THE MOST COMMON THING IS A TWO PLUS TWO.

SOME DO HAVE A HARD CAP. I'M JUST ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THIS PEOPLE WHERE WE ENDED UP THERE WAS THIS IS THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY SO THAT TABLE I SHARED WITH YOU THAT WAS A PART OF ATTACHMENT THREE THIS IS THAT SAME TABLE SHOWING THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY THAT WAS REPORTED BACK IN I THINK THIS WAS JANUARY DATA AT THIS POINT IN TIME SO CERTAINLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE COUNCILMEMBERS THAT THIS THIS WAS PERHAPS TOO HIGH WELL ONCE REPORTED BACK IS MORE IN LINE CORRECT. AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF WHAT'S REPORTED BACK IS THAT IS IT CORRECT? SO I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR KIND OF SAYING BECAUSE OF THE REPORTING BACK. GOOD, GOOD LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING AND WE SHOULD MATCH THEM WE SHOULD COME DOWN AND THAT'S WHY I THINK TWO PLUS TWO IS A IS A GOOD NOT IS A GOOD LET ME ASK JUST GENERALLY STEVE, TO YOUR POINT STEVE ALFORD AND LADIES, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT 2.2 AS A SUGGESTION FOR STAFF MOVING FORWARD? IS THIS THE TAKE AWAY ARE THOUGHTS AND START TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR US TO WORK OKAY I THINK A NOT ON THE ISLAND I HOPE ALL RIGHT SO I DON'T TO KEEP RUNNING OVER HERE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE TWO PLUS TWO FOR THE REASONS THAT SHAWN GAVE EXCEPT FOR STUDIO AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT STUDENTS TO AND THEN I HAVE A PROCESS QUESTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT SO AS WE WERE DOING ALL THESE POLICY THINGS, YOU KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES AND SO I THINK ABOUT IT LIKE WHEN WE DID A TAX YOU HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF SOMETHING AND AND AND PEOPLE MAY COALESCE AROUND, YOU KNOW, FIVE OF THE TEN BUT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER FIVE. HOW WE GOING TO PUT THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS? IS IT GOING TO BE AN ALL OR NOTHING BASED OFF OF THE TEN THINGS THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED OR? WILL THERE BE A WAY FOR US TO IDENTIFY THOSE THAT WE ALL AGREE AND THEN HAVE FURTHER INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER SPECIFIC ITEMS SO HOPE MY ONE OF THE OUTCOMES WOULD BE AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT EVERYONE HAS SHOWN UP TODAY AND THAT WE

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I MEAN THAT'S THE PRACTICALITY OF IT RIGHT? AND SO IF WE CAN COME TO SOME CONSENSUS THING AROUND THEN STAFF HAS SOME SOME SURETY THAT THEY'RE NOT TO DO ALL OF THIS WORK AND THEN WE'RE JUST GOING TO TURN IT ON ITS HEAD AND START OVER AGAIN AND THEN FURTHER DELAYS AND KICKING DOWN THE ROAD CAN IS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE ENGAGE IN SO IN IN ORDER TO TO BRING IT BACK TO GET SOMETHING DONE TO GIVE CLARITY TO THE ASSOCIATED REALTORS ASSOCIATION, THE RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND TO OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

I'M HOPING TODAY WITH THIS CONVERSATION IS WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR STAFF AND A TURNAROUND. SO THAT'S WHY ASKING EVERYONE FOR THEIR INPUT ON THIS IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT, LET'S HAVE IT HERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN COME TO SOME AGREEMENT. YEAH, AND I AGREE I'M NOT LOOKING TO PROLONG THE PROCESS. I'M JUST LAYING OUT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME UP THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I'LL COME BACK.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. I WANT TO MOVE UP HERE TO YEAH .

SO WITH REGARD TO THE SUGGESTION OF STAFF I'VE GOT THAT HERE IN FRONT OF ME I AGREE WITH MISS TANNER STUDIO BE ONLY TWO NOT THREE OKAY WITH TWO PLUS TWO UNTIL WE GET TO THE HEIGHT AND SO THAT AT FOUR UNITS IT DOES SHOW FOCUS SORRY FOR BEDROOMS IT DOES SHOW TEN WHICH IS TWO +224 BEDROOM TWO NUMBER FIVE FIVE BEDROOM SHOULD BE 12 AND NOT 13 SIX BEDROOMS SHOULD BE 14 AND NOT 17 SEVEN BEDROOMS SHOULD BE 16 AND NOT 19 EIGHT BEDROOMS SHOULD BE 18 AND NOT 22. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO NINE AND TEN I WOULD ALSO CAP THEM AT 18. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.

I WILL SAY I AGREE WITH THAT AND AND I'LL GIVE YOU QUOTE BEFORE I JUMP IN.

NO COMMENT. YES, I STUDIO SHOULD BE TOO I THINK THE THROUGH NUMBER FOUR IS FINE. FIVE IS FINE I MIGHT HAVE 16 INSTEAD OF 17 FOR SIX BEDROOMS AND MAYBE A SMALLER NUMBER THAN 19. I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER 19.

OKAY EIGHT, NINE AND TEN STUCK AT 19 OR 20. THAT'S RIGHT AND LET ME JUST DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT AND WHY I AGREE WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT PERCY MADE WITH REGARD TO OCCUPANCY FOUR THAT THIS IS MORE THAN A THEORETICAL DEBATE THERE'S SOME REAL EXAMPLES OF FOLKS WHO LIVE WITHIN SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMUNITIES THE MORE PEOPLE HAVE REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THERE ARE, THE MORE BICYCLES THROWN IN THE YARD, THE MORE CARS THAT SHOW UP, THE MORE NOISE AND DISTURBANCES THAT GENERALLY HAPPEN, MORE GARBAGE THAT'S CREATED AND THE LIST GOES ON. AND SO I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE OCCUPANCY IS PART OF IF NOT ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. AND SO WHILE I STARTED AT TWO PER I WILL COMPROMISE AND WORK WITH THE 2.2 UNTIL YOU GET TO THE FIVE BEDROOMS WHICH BECOMES A LITTLE BIT UNREASONABLE IN MY MIND. SO I HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS THAT AND AND IF WE CAN HAVE STAFF LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS SO DISREGARDING WHAT'S PROPOSED BY GOING TO 2.2 WITH THE SUGGESTIONS OF SOME FIVE BEDROOMS ON WE ARE AT THE NUMBERS THAT WERE SUGGESTED OKAY AND AND HAVE SAID THAT'S FINE OKAY SO BACK TO MY LITTLE LIST HERE SHAWN WHAT WAS IN THAT YOU HAD A GREAT WORKING DOCUMENT THAT I THOUGHT WAS A STARTING POINT AND THEN A CERTAINLY ARE ADDITIONS THAT I'M THAT OTHERS MAY HAVE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND I HAVE TURNED THE PAGE MANY TIMES I'VE LOST THAT SHORT LIST THE SHORT LIST SHORT LIST OF THIS IS THE NINE ITEMS THAT ARE THOSE NOTES ITEMS THREE OF THEM JUST IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. YEAH. SO IN THE STAFF REPORT IT'S A

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SO NO MATTER WHO'S COMING TO VISIT YOU FOR THE DAY AND WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE'VE HEARD ALL KINDS OF GREAT ANTIDOTES TELL STORIES ABOUT THAT.

NO MORE THAN SIX CARS. YES. AS YOU POINT YOU CAN GET PERMITTED FOR SIX CARS. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE YOU MAY ONLY BE ABLE TO BE PERMANENT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE ALLOWED YOURSELF FOR PARKING IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION FOR FOR THIS THIS IS NOT INCLUDE GARAGE PARKING, RIGHT? WE INCLUDE ALL PARKING WHEREVER THE PARKING WAS LOCATED IT CAN BE COUNTED IS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY CRAFTED.

THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION BACK IN FEBRUARY ABOUT HOW DO WE ENFORCE GARAGE PARKING VERSUS I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S OUTSIDE BUT WE ENFORCED EVERYTHING SO IF THEY SHOWED US TWO SPACES WERE IN THE GARAGE AND FOUR OUTSIDE BUT WE SHOWED UP AND SIX WERE OUTSIDE.

IT'S A VIOLATION. OKAY SO YOU MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE OFF THE BACK YOU START WITH WHATEVER THE GARAGE CAPACITY, WHATEVER THE PERMIT HAS SAID THE SITE PLAN HAS LAID OUT, YOU MOVE FROM THERE? THAT'S CORRECT AND WE DID NOT IT WAS MAX PARKING PERIOD. IT WASN'T MAX PARKING JUST FOR GUEST VERSUS VERSUS VISITORS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE WHO'S GUEST. AND SO JUST FOR OF ENFORCEMENT FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE COUNTING CARS BASED ON WHAT THEY SHOWED ON THEIR SITE PLAN. I'M SURE YOU CAN HAVE GARAGES AND SO THE GARAGE OF PARKING IS PROVIDED IN THE GARAGE THAT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS YOUR MAXIMUM SIX AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SO CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THIS CASE LET'S SAY THEY HAD TWO CARS IN A GARAGE FOR CARS OUTSIDE DRIVEWAY EVEN THOUGH THE DRIVEWAY COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE IF THERE WERE MORE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY THAN WHAT THEY HAD SHOWN IT WOULD BE A TECHNICALLY BE IN VIOLATION OF OF THEIR PERMIT BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE THAN FOUR CARS OUTSIDE. THAT'S HOW IT WAS CRAFTED BACK IN FEBRUARY. YEAH MY DAUGHTER I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ASKED LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS ON THE SIX WAS THAT IT WOULD CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS MORE PARKING. WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS SAID THAT WITH THE PERMIT HAVING TO ALIGN TO THE SITE REQUIREMENTS THEN IT WILL REFLECT WHAT IS ACTUALLY DOABLE AND IF IT'S LESS THAN SIX THEN IT'LL BE LESS THAN SIX. SO I'M YEAH SO FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE SEE SOME HANDS GOING UP IN THIS AND THAT AND I MIGHT BE THINKING THE SAME THING WHEN ASKING FOR A PERMIT THEY EITHER INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE THEIR GARAGE CORRECT BECAUSE A LOT OF OWNERS LOCKED DOWN THEIR GARAGE IT'S ONLY IN THE DRIVEWAY.

OKAY SO WHATEVER PUT ON THEIR PERMIT IS WHAT YOU INSPECT. THAT'S CORRECT.

ANSWER YOUR HANDS. KNOW WHAT YOUR QUESTION COME ON I ASKED QUICK QUESTION IT'S FINE IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION I UNDERSTAND THE RESTRICTIONS.

WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IS ARE YOU TELLING THAT IF I RENT A HOME AND I'M HAVING FRIENDS OVER FOR I CAN'T GO RIGHT IF YOU EXCEED SO YOU'RE PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A RENTAL ON HILTON HEAD ISLAND AND HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AS WELL AND YOU WANT TO

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ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M JUST SAYING I THINK HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU WENT SOMEWHERE ON VACATION AND YOU HAVE A HOME AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR FRIENDS OVER THAT LIVE ON HILTON THAT YOU KNOW THINK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE ARE PEOPLE EXPECT THE TYPE OF TOURISTS YOU WANT WELL THAT JUST DOESN'T YES IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE AN ARGUMENT BUT ME ASK YOU I MEAN FLIPPED IT AROUND FOR YOU WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT WHEN YOUR THREE FRIENDS COME OVER AND PARKED ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BLOCKED YOUR DRIVEWAY? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, BLOCKING A DRIVEWAY IS NOT ALLOWED. RIGHT.

SO THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY ENFORCE IT THE CAR IS BLOCKING A DRIVEWAY I WOULD DEFINITELY ENFORCE THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY THERE'S NO ROOM IN THE STREET I'LL GIVE YOU A ONE. YEAH.

I MEAN MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY COME OVER OR ARE THEY GOING TO PARK OR WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU GIVE US OPPORTUNITY AS RESIDENTS HERE TO LET PEOPLE PARK WHEN WE HAVE A PARTY SO WHY ARE WE NOT I MEAN YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT YOU CAN'T PARK YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE PEOPLE OVER TO YOUR HOME. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE I'M JUST GOING OUT ON A LIMB OR I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE PERMISSION JUST HASN'T BEEN ENFORCED. THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IN YOU MUST MAKE SURE YOUR CARS OFF THE ROAD WHEN YOU DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE GUEST FOR DINNER? WELL YEAH I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO BE MINDFUL AND SOMETIMES HAVE PEOPLE OVER SO I JUST I MEAN CAN I CAN I WHEN MY NEIGHBORS HAVE A PARTY I THAT THEY'RE HAVING A PARTY AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL INVITE ME I LIVE IN HILL DOWN PLANTATION AND YOU PROBABLY CALL SECURITY AND SAY WE'RE A PARTY AT MY HOUSE AND LET ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE GATE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE 30 OR 40 PARK CARS ON THE STREET.

I MEAN LIVED HERE 40 YEARS. YEAH. NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE ARE RENTING. THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER FAMILY OVER FOR DINNER.

MAN MAY I JOIN THE CONVERSATION? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO ADD. HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. IF NOT I'M CLARIFYING.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A FIRSTHAND EXAMPLE FROM JUST LAST WEEK I WAS LEAVING MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH HAS MANY TERM RENTALS IN IT AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN COMING OUT RIGHT AHEAD OF ME AND HE PULLED OVER TO THE SIDE AND JUST BY HAPPENSTANCE HE HAD HIS GAS LITTLE DOOR OPEN. I ROLLED DOWN MY WINDOW AND SAID HEY I JUST TRYING TO BE KIND AND AND THEN HE JUST LOOKED DISTRAUGHT. HE JUST LOOKED AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN HELP YOU WITH? AND HE SAID RENTING OVER HERE AND WE HAVE TOO MANY CARS AND I'LL FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND WE HAVE TOO MANY CARS SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT MY CAR. CAN YOU OFFER ANY SUGGESTIONS? AND I SAID WELL YOU COULD PERHAPS GO TO THE AIRPORT BUT YOU CAN HAVE TO PAY AND BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE DO THAT BUT I SAID OTHER THAN THAT HILTON HEAD DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING FOR YOUR CAR AS I SAID. BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR ON YOUR SHORT TERM RENTAL AGREEMENT OF HOW MANY CARS WOULD FIT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL BROUGHT TOO MANY SO HE ENDED UP MOVING THE CAR AND GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE SO .

THAT'S ONE REAL LIFE SITUATION. THE PERMANENT ONLY ALLOWS SO MANY AND AND IT'S ALREADY IN OUR REGULATIONS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN PARK AND HOW THEY CAN PARK IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO RESIDENCE BUT IT DOES TO SHORT TERM RENTAL VISITORS AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE TO YOUR JOCELYN AND I HEAR YOU ABOUT FOLKS COMING SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR INCIDENTALLY THAT IS IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT QUITE HONESTLY IS THAT WELL FAMILY IS RENTING IN THE OCEANFRONT HOME FOR BY WAY OF EXAMPLE AND WE HAVE LIKE TEN OTHER PEOPLE IN ADDITION TO THOSE WHO ARE STAYING IN THE LARGER RENTALS AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE OUR HOUSE AS THE

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STEVE TO YOUR POINT IS THOSE CARS ARE EVERYWHERE. THOSE SO THE OCCUPANCY WHICH IS SLEEPING OCCUPANCY NOW CHANGES TO 1918 WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS TO ANOTHER 20 PEOPLE SO ON A DAILY BASIS YOU HAVE MANY MORE THAN WHAT THE OCCUPANCY WAS. MY POINT IN ALL OF THIS IS TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES ABOUT HOW WAS A PROBLEM BUT THEN TO ALSO TO SAY THAT IN MY OPINION WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE BUT I'M GOING TO THROW IT IN NOW IF YOU WERE RENTING A HOUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT'S A CONTINUED PRACTICE IN THE FUTURE THESE ARE NOT INVENT SPACES. IT IS IN MY OPINION WRONG FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND RENT A HOME AS I JUST OR RENT THREE HOMES AND PUT UP A BIG TENT AND HAVE THE PRE-WEDDING PARTY AND THE AFTER WEDDING PARTY AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS RIGHT THERE IN SOMEBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO NO ONE GETS TO SLEEP FOR A WEEK AROUND THEM. NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS PERHAPS IN A LIMITED WAY BUT CERTAINLY NOT AS EVENT SPACES AND I HOPE I'VE MADE THAT CONNECTION SO THAT IT MAKES SENSE BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT ANY LONGER. YOU SHOULDN'T COME IN AND RENT 310 BEDROOM HOUSES, THROW UP A TENT IN THE MIDDLE WITH THEM AND HAVE YOUR ENTIRE COMMERCIAL THERE.

THAT'S WHAT COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE FOR AND AND IT'S JUST WRONG FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND IT HAPPENS ACROSS THE BOARD AND SEE PINES PALMETTO DUNES AND ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT IS DEALING WITH THIS WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE WELCOME AND EVERYBODY HAS TOURISM AND WE LIVE YES I BROUGHT UP TO YOU NOT WITHOUT I NEVER SAID PASSING I JUST I JUST WANT TO SAY PARKING WAS NOT A PROBLEM I SAID YOU'RE STARTING TO OVERREACH WHEN YOU'RE NOW LIMITING IF SOMEONE CAN HAVE A FAMILY OVER FOR A BARBECUE THAT'S OKAY AND I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OVERREACH AND I THINK YOU NEED TO ENFORCE WHAT YOU HAVE NOW AND SEE IF IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. WE NOW HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME ENFORCEMENT. WE CAN ISSUE CITATIONS. WHY DON'T WE TRY THE TOOLS WE HAVE BEFORE WE JUMP EVEN GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AND OVERREGULATION.

THANK YOU. AND STEVE HAS SOMETHING HE WANTS TO SAY SO I'M GOING TO LET HIM AND THEN I HAVE A FINAL COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY I'M SYMPATHETIC WITH THE PROBLEM.

YOU READ THE DIAGRAM BECAUSE I HAVE FOR EXAMPLE LAST AND AUGUST I HAVE 18 FAMILY MEMBERS HERE. WE ALL GET AT THE SAME HOUSE FOR DINNER.

SO YES, I CAN TELL THEM CUT DOWN THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT YOU'RE USING.

ASK THE NEIGHBORS IF YOU CAN USE THEIR BUT YES, IT'S A PROBLEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE. YOU DID MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I RESPOND TO AND I APPRECIATE THEM FOR INSTANCE, IF I GO TO A FRIEND'S HOUSE IN PALMETTO ADAMS WHO'S HAVING A PARTY AND YOU YOU KNOW THIS I SAY YOUR HAND KEEPS GOING UP AND YOU KNOW THIS TWO THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING THAT PARTY PERMIT ARE DOING STANDARDS ONLY ALLOW TO PARK SO MANY CARS ON THAT PROPERTY THEY MAY NOT PARK ON THE STREET THEY MAY NOT PARK EVEN IN NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I'VE TRIED TO GET A PASS TO PARK SOMEONE AT ANOTHER HOUSE TO GO TO A PARTY OVER HERE AND THAT IS PROHIBITED.

SO THESE OVERREACHES THAT NECESSARILY ARE UNHEARD OF IN YOUR WORDS OVERREACHES THESE ARE THESE ARE POLICIES THAT EXIST ON THE ISLAND IN PRIVATE COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT THEY OUGHT TO APPLY OUTSIDE OF THE GATES AS WELL.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. I'VE BEEN LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN LIVING OUTSIDE THE GATES WAS FOR PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND WANTED FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY WHAT THEY WANTED.

THAT'S WHAT LIVING OUTSIDE THE GATES WAS FOR. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WHAT FOR BUT I AGREE BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE LIVE OUTSIDE THE GATES.

BUT AS I SAID PREVIOUS SLATE THINGS HAVE CHANGED. IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

I WISH YOU WELL AND I WISH WE COULD BACK TO WHERE EVERYBODY JUST DOES THE RIGHT THING AND IT'S A COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CARE EACH OTHER BUT OUR SYSTEM HAS CHANGED THE AMOUNT OF . OVERCAPACITY IN MY HUMBLE OPINION HAS CHANGED AND THE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND EVEN THOSE WHO ARE VISITORS TO MY COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED AND THEREFORE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO HOW TO CHANGE SOCIETY I AM ALL EARS AND I'LL WORK TOWARDS THAT GOAL TOO. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS.

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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TAUGHT. DON'T LOOK AT THE ISLAND AS A WHOLE.

DON'T AT ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS ALL OVER THE ISLAND. I MEAN WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC ISSUES SO DON'T OVERREACH HERE IN YOUR OPINION. I ALSO WANT TO ASK YOU ARE YOU SPEAKING AS A REALTOR ASSOCIATION OR ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT? RIGHT NOW I'M SPEAKING FOR THE REALTORS ASSOCIATION. ABSOLUTELY NOT MY PERSONAL BENEFIT. THANK YOU. IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS WERE AWESOME WHEN I MOVED HERE WE USED TO WE ONLY HAD MAYBE 700 TO 1000 SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE BUILT FIRES ON THE BEACH AND HUNG OUT THOSE MARSHMALLOWS.

BUT YOU KNOW UNFORTUNATELY THOSE THING USED TO BUILD FIRES IN OUR YARD AND BURNER LEAVES NOW WE GOT TO GET PERMITS. IF WE DO I THINK IT'S TOTALLY OUT NOW.

SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THE THINGS HAVE CHANGED BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE AND AND WE THERE'S NOT 700 RENTALS ANYMORE.

THERE'S 7000 AND OCCASIONALLY FOR SOMEONE TO BRING SOMEONE OVER FOR DINNER ONE NIGHT WOULD BE GREAT BUT NOW THAT YOU HAVE 7000 SHORT TERM RENTALS IT CAN HAPPEN A LOT AND AGAIN I DON'T THINK IT'S AN OVERREACH. I THINK IT EXISTS ON THE ISLAND NOW IT'S JUST NOT BEING ENFORCED. THANK YOU. SO BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WANT TO THROUGH SOME MORE OF THESE AND THEN I THINK WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU DON'T MIND THAT GIVING US THAT IT WAS TWO AND A HALF ALMOST TWO AND A HALF HOURS THAT WE'RE INTO THIS MEETING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING AND WHEN WE OUT OF HERE STAFF IS CONFIDENT OUR TOWN MANAGER IS CONFIDENT AND THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO MOVE FORWARD TO STAY. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT AS YOU WERE JUST FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT.

SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO PARKING REGULATIONS. SHAWN, YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE JUST AGREED TO? AND MELINDA, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT I DO WANT TO ADD THIS RIGHT? SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING WE'RE GIVING TO STAFF. WHAT IS THAT WE WANT THEM TO THROUGH THE TOWN MANAGER'S APPROVAL AND PROCESS WORK ON BUT IT DOESN'T END THERE IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS I UNDERSTAND. CORRECT.

OR DOES THIS TO THE PLANNING OF HOW THIS IS GONNA START? DOES THIS GO TO THE PLANNING OR DOES IT GO RIGHT TO TOWN COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE ONCE WE HAVE CODE PRESENT TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD COME HERE BEFORE WE GO TO TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS IT IS A SO IT'S A IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS BUT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TO WORK ON . THANK YOU FOR FOR THE CLARIFICATION IN THE PROCESS WE WERE IN THE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT BE INVOLVED HOWEVER WE START TO THINK ABOUT THERE WAS REFERENCE EARLIER ABOUT THE ALAMO AND BRINGING BRINGING SOME OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS INTO THE ALAMO. THEN WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO INVOLVE THE PLANNING. THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS MELINDA WITH YOU WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

SO WHAT DID YOU GET FROM OUR PARKING DISCUSSION SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE REQUIREMENT. WE DID NOTE THE CONCERN ABOUT GUEST PARKING.

IT'S NOTED BUT I DID NOT HEAR ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE HEARD. THANK YOU MELINDA DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN PASSING? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING OKAY SO WE'RE ALL GOOD. SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND LISTED HERE IS NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS AND I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO POINTED OUT HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVANT BEFORE AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE RANDOM NOW BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT ANYWAY WITH REGARD TO MORATORIA WHICH IS A DISCUSSION FOR TOMORROW, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE REASON THERE IS A PETITION FOR A MORATORIUM THAT IS OUT THERE AND THAT DEFINITION TOO IS UNCLEAR. PEOPLE KNOW ACTUALLY WHAT THAT MEANS BUT WHAT THEY DO MEAN WHAT THEY DO KNOW IS WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MANAGED ON THE ISLAND THAT THEY SEE ENOUGH DISRUPTION TO THE SO THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE EXPERIENCE IS HERE THAT THEY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING COME FROM THAT AND THAT NUMBER AS I UNDERSTAND THIS MORNING WAS ON THAT PETITION IS OVER 800 RESIDENTS SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE TO THE MIX SO NOISE AND RESTRICTIONS LET'S TALK THAT A LITTLE BIT NOT JUST NOISE AND RESTRICTIONS BUT ALL VIOLATIONS YOU KNOW IS THAT

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IF YOU GOT THREE WITHIN THAT THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD YOUR PERMIT THAT WASN'T TO BE TO SUSPENSION AND REVOCATION THE SUSPENSION WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE AT THE STAFF LEVEL THE REVOCATION WOULD COME TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR FOR CONSIDERATION SO THAT'S BUILT INTO THE PROPOSED CODE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED BACK IN FEBRUARY.

SO WHY I JUST HEAR I MEAN DO YOU HAVE A SUSPENSION TIME THE SUSPENSION TIME DO YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR 12 MONTHS? DO THEY LOSE THEIR OWN KIND OF PERMITS FOR NEXT SEASON? YOU DON'T AND THERE IS A I'LL HAVE TO SPEND SOME TIME GOING THROUGH THE CODE BUT AS FAR I BELIEVE WE SPECIFIED A TIME FRAME THE SUSPENSION THE THE REVOCATION WAS NOT THE PERMIT WAS NOT AUTOMATIC. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT AS A COUNCIL MATTER DECISION NOT AS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WOULD MAKE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO TO REVOKE THAT PERMIT GOSH I THINK YOU HAVE A POSSIBLE OF MULTIPLE INSTANCES AND I HAVE TO BRING EACH OF THOSE BEFORE COUNCIL IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE INSTANCES NOW I'M TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE NOT IN THE SAME LOCATION MULTIPLE STRIKE THREES.

NO IT'S ONLY BASED ON THE PROPERTY I'M NOT I'M NOT TRACKING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OH YOU'RE SAYING THE PROCESS IS YOU GET THIRD VIOLATION AND THEN THERE'S THEN YOU REVOKE THE PROMISE STATUS WHICH IS SOME PERIOD OF TIME WHICH IS TELLING ME THAT HAS TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL. THE SUSPENSION IS AUTOMATIC THAT HAPPENS AT THE STAFF LEVEL OF WHAT ALSO COMES ALONG WITH THAT AS A HEARING BEFORE A COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT YOUR PERMIT SHOULD BE REVOKED CLEARLY THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL PERMIT SHOULD BE REVOKED OR NOT. YES, THAT THE APPEAL PROCESS GOES TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL CAN AGREE WITH SUSPENSION. THEY CAN ALSO REVOKE THE PERMIT ONCE YOU GET TO THAT THIRD STRIKE IN A CALENDAR YEAR FOR ONE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. SO EACH ONE WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL. YES. YES WELL, YOU MAY HAVE I MEAN I HOPE THAT YOU MAY HAVE 100 SO FAR WE HAVE ONE WHO'S RECEIVED THREE VIOLATIONS.

CORRECT. AND IN THE PURCHASE HAVING HAS BEEN VERY FORGIVING, VERY GRACIOUS THAT THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS THERE IS IN AND AND I WILL PROBABLY SHOULD LEAVE TO OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY IF HE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT HE'S WELCOME TO TO COME UP AND PARTICIPATE HERE LET'S HEAR FROM BUT THERE'S BEEN A VERY GENEROUS AND GRACIOUS POLICY TO HELP TO EDUCATE AND TO ALLOW GRACE FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE CORRECTIONS.

BEFORE THEY DIDN'T GIVEN A CITATION. CORRECT MY WRONG I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS GO IN THERE WITH A HAMMER BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT BECOMES AN AGENDA ITEM ON COUNCIL? YES, IT WOULD IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL THAT PARTICULAR FOR THAT PARTICULAR ADDRESS. THAT'S CORRECT AND THAT'S PART OF THE DUE PROCESS SHOULD BE DOZENS. I MEAN IF THE VIOLATIONS ARE GIVEN PROPERLY AND, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR BALANCE. THERE COULD BE YES, THERE COULD BE BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT YET. WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT AT THIS POINT.

COULD THERE BE? YES. YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE PROCESS THE PROCESS NOW IF WE'RE SEEING A PATTERN OF VIOLATIONS A PATTERN OF PARKING VIOLATION NOISE VIOLATIONS. YEAH THEY'LL GET A LETTER FROM ME.

THE FIRST LETTER SAYS THESE ARE THE PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SUBSEQUENT VIOLATIONS.

THE NEXT VIOLATION WILL BE THE FIRST ONE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION 250 ON SECOND WILL BE $500 AND THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE $1,000. THEN WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE

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SO YOU ANTICIPATE MORE CITATIONS BECAUSE NOW I DO OVER YOU IF WE SEE THE BEHAVIOR REPEATING BUT AGAIN IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE HEEDING THE LETTER THAT THEY GET THE FIRST TIME THEY'RE REALLY IT WAKES THEM UP BECAUSE YOU START TO LOOK AT MONITORED FINES.

RIGHT. IS THAT LETTER GO TO THE OWNER OR THE OWNER YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION. THE OWNER WHO IN TURN WOULD NOTIFY THE PROPERTY WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY PROPERTY I LIVE OUT OF STATE SO GOT A FEW CALLS LIKE THAT.

IT GOES TO BOTH OF THEM. SURE. IMMEDIATELY.

SO THERE ARE SOME I THINK SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE EARLIER FROM FEBRUARY NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE A LITTLE COUPLE OF THAT WERE IN THERE THAT WERE CONFUSING WITH REGARD TO WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OWNER VERSUS AGENT AND SO I THINK WE FINDING ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE THEY NEED TO BE AWARE WITHOUT AN OBLIGATION THEY NEED TO BE AWARE. SO KEN CAN I CAN JUMP IN A STEP WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN NOW? GO AHEAD. LET ME MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOISE LIMITATIONS AND SO FORTH AS BEING ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR COMPLAINTS RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE AN ADEQUATE MECHANISM FOR THE TOWN TO BE AWARE OF THOSE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM GO LOCALLY TO. THE DEPUTY SECURITY PEOPLE IN, THE GATED COMMUNITIES, PINES, PALMETTO DUNES AND SO FORTH ARE NOT REPORTED TO THE TOWN AND AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO WORK FURTHER ON HOW TO GET A BETTER REPORTING SYSTEM GIVING US ANYTHING IMPORTANT TO PARTICIPATE. THE TOWN ATTORNEY MADE AN IMPORTANT POINT TO ME AS AS HE CAME UP SO WE HAVE AS MR. BROMWICH LAID OUT THERE IS THERE'S A WRITTEN THERE'S A VERBAL WRITTEN THEN THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION PROCESS.

THERE'S ALSO THE MUNICIPAL CODE . THAT'S WHERE THE CONVICTIONS COME IN. SO IT'S THOSE TWO CONVICTIONS UNDER MUNICIPAL CODE THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THE SUSPENSION. THE ADMINISTRATORS SAY, THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS WILL CARRY US SO FAR AND THEN WE NEED TO START ISSUING CITATIONS WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE .

THOSE CARRY STRICTER PENALTIES AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS A SUSPENSION REVOCATION NOT NECESSARILY JUST A WRITTEN VIOLATION OR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION.

OKAY, I'M THINKING OF SOMETHING I READ WATCHING RIGHT NOW A THIRD ONE.

WHY DO YOU GOT IT MORE THAN THREE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS ARISING FROM ANY ACTIVITIES AT OR CONNECTED WITH SDR PROPERTY OCCURRING WITHIN ANY 12 MONTH PERIOD.

THEN THE TIME TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE OWNER THAT. THE SDR PERMIT IS SUSPENDED FOR A PERIOD OF UP TO ONE YEAR UP TO ONE YEAR AND MAY BE REVOKED A SINGLE HEARING BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER THE SUSPENSION SHOULD BE UPHELD OR WHETHER THE SDR PERMIT SHOULD BE REVOKED. THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE TOMORROW AND IT IS MORE THAN THREE SO IT'D BE THE FOURTH. YEAH OF COURSE.

HAVE SOME PENCILS TALKING. MELINDA, WOULD YOU HAVE ANYONE TO CHIME IN ON THIS ONE? MY ONLY POINT OF MOVING UP HERE TO THERE IS SOURCE MATERIAL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE THAT MIGHT HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES ARE AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE. CORRECT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON NOISE LIMITS RESTRICTIONS NOW I'M COMFORTABLE WITH A PROCESS AS LAID OUT THAT AT A DEFINED POINT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY THEN TO REVOKE THE PERMIT FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR BUT. YOU KNOW IT'S ALL LAID OUT AND I'M SORRY I WANT TO THANK YOU I WAS LISTENING PATSY YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN AND MELINDA, WERE YOU DOWN? I'M SORRY. I FEEL LIKE YOU JUST RUSHED OUT AND I DID NOT MEAN TO DO THAT IN THE WAY YOU COMPLAIN. JUST I HAD ESCAPED FOR A

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HERE'S A PRACTICAL MATTER OF HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN A SHORT TERM RENT ON NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS COME IN, THEY'RE THERE FOR A WEEK THE FIRST THREE DAYS THEY ARE WHEW OUT ALL NIGHT PARTY THE NOISE ETC. IS OFF THE CHARTS AFTER THAT THEY KIND OF GET SETTLED DOWN AND THEY HAVE A DAY OR TWO WHERE LIKE RECOVERY WAS HANGING ON THE BEACH COMING BACK WE'VE GOT OUR FEET UP AND THE KIDS CAN PLAY IN THE POOL AND IT'S QUIET. THEN TIME COMES BUT THEN THE IT'S THE FRIDAY NIGHT AND IT STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S THE LAST NIGHT OF VACATION AND SO FRIDAY NIGHT IS ANOTHER CRAZY NIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE EVERYBODY PACK UP AND DRIVE OUT THE DRIVEWAY BACK ON HOME ON SATURDAY. BUT THE CYCLE CONTINUES AT 4:00 THAT SAME SATURDAY AND SO THAT'S THE PROCESS YOU'RE IN. AND SO THE THE VIOLATIONS ARE OFTEN TIMES DESENSITIZED FOR THE NEIGHBOR BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A ROUTINE EVENT.

AND SO WHAT YOU HEAR ABOUT WHEN YOU GET COMPLAINED ABOUT THE ESCALATION OF HOW MUCH DOES IT TAKE BEFORE I CALL HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE BEFORE THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ME AND SO THE PROCESS ISN'T NECESSARILY AS REFLECTIVE OF OH IT'S JUST BEEN ONCE OR TWICE OR THREE TIMES THROUGH A SEASON TO A 12 MONTH PERIOD. IT REALLY IS OTHER FACTORS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND ONE OF THOSE I'M GOING TO BRING UP NOW IS WE ALL ENJOY AMAZING HOMES AND A WONDERFUL LIFE HERE AND PEOPLE HAVE BUILT PHENOMENAL TO TO RENT AND OFTEN PUT BIG SCREEN TVS SOMETIMES AS BIG AS THE ONE BEHIND ME OUTSIDE, SOMETIMES MULTIPLE ONES AND THEY'RE EXPOSED COMPLETELY TO THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE SHOWS THAT PUT UP THERE AND I'M OFFENDED FOLKS WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME ABOUT THIS PROBLEM ARE AS THEY SHOULD BE IF THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THEIR PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREET TAKING A WALK WITH THEIR DOG OR THEIR HUSBAND OR THEIR CHILDREN OR THEIR GRANDCHILDREN AND HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL THAT IS FULLY EXPOSED TO ANYONE. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS AN ADDITION TO TO THIS AND I'M THROWING IT IN THE NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS AREA BECAUSE.

WE'RE TALKING I'M TALKING ABOUT IT AND I THINK IT MIGHT FIT THERE IF YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND YOU HAVE AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT SPACE WITH BIG SCREEN TVS OR ANY TYPE OF SCREEN TVS, IT MUST SCREENED FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW. AS FOR YOUR PRIVATE ENJOYMENT THAT IS NOT FOR THE REST OF US. I'LL TELL YOU A PERSONAL STORY I WALKED OUT OF MY HOUSE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND THE MUSIC FROM THE RENTAL NEXT DOOR WAS BLASTING SO LOUDLY THAT I WAS WALKING MY DOGS DOWN THE STREAM FOUR HOUSES DOWN TURNING THE CORNER.

IT WAS LIKE I WAS STANDING NEXT TO IT. IT WAS THAT LOUD THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. THAT CAN BE TURNED DOWN PRIOR TO SOMEONE'S UP TO TO MAKE THE COME FROM A COMPLAINT FOR THE CODE ENFORCERS TO ADDRESS SO AGAIN WE'RE NOT CAPTURING EVERYTHING THERE'S DESENSITIZATION TO THAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR AND THERE'S INAPPROPRIATE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING FORCED UPON AND INAPPROPRIATELY TO OUR CHILDREN AND I WANT IT TO STOP AND SO ASKING THAT IN ADDITION TO THESE ITEMS THAT WE REQUIRE OUTDOOR MEDIA IS SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW WATCH WHENEVER YOU WANT THEM CARELESS DO YOUR OWN THING JUST I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT UNLESS I WANT TO START SO HAVE WE EXHAUSTED NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS AT THIS? ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

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YOU WERE JUST HELPING. OKAY, Y'ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? OH, I GUESS I JUST NOW COME ON UP. I'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO OFFICE. I NEED YOU TO SPEAK TO THE MIKE INTO THE MIKE MIKE RECORDING PLEASE. SORRY. YOU HAVE TO BE UNDERSTOOD BUT WE YOU ALLOWED COMMENT FOR ONE OF THEM BUT NOT IN YOUR HAND UP SO I APOLOGIZE OKAY IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT'S OKAY. JOIN THE CONVERSATION WELL I HATE TO GO BACKWARDS BUT ON THE PARKING I THE IDEA OF IF THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH X AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE TO THE POINT OF THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE THE 19 BY EIGHT WHY DOES IT MATTER IF THEY'RE IN THE GARAGE OR IN THE DRIVEWAY IF IT HAS SIX IF IT HAS SIX BEDROOMS EIGHT BEDROOMS, WHATEVER I UNDERSTAND IS BRYSON'S POINT BUT IF YOU CAN HAVE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU CAN HAVE TWO IN THE THE GARAGE AND YOU'VE PUT EIGHT ON YOUR PERMIT WHY DOES THAT NEED TO BE RESTRICTED ? AND IN THE VILLAS HAVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX YES.

ALL OF THESE CONDO COMPLEXES HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING. MOST OF THEM ARE ONE ON 90% OF THE TIME THERE'S WAY THAT SIX IS GOING TO CHANGE IT AND AT WE HAVE OUR GUESTS SIGN IT.

WE HAVE IT ON OUR LISTINGS. WE IT IN THE HOUSE. WE HAVE IT EVERYWHERE.

THE TOWN HAS TOLD US TO PUT IT ON. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO SAY I HAD NO IDEA WE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY ALL THE TIME BUT LIMITING THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WERE BUILT WITH THE PROPER AMOUNT OF SPACES AND THAT CAN HOUSE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF SPACES. I'M NOT SAYING A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE THAT CAN HAVE TEN CARS WE DON'T NEED THAT MUCH OF A BALANCE BUT IF THE HOUSE CAN ACCOMMODATE FOR IT AND IT WAS BUILT FOR IT WHY ARE LIMITING THAT AND GIVING OTHERS THE CHANCE TO HAVE MORE PARKING ON THE OCCUPANCY? I BROUGHT THIS UP THE LAST I STILL HAVE. I'M COMPLETELY UNCLEAR HOW THEY GOT TO THE NUMBERS.

THEY GOT TO PAST FOUR AND FIVE BEDROOMS. THEY THE FORMULA DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. WE KNOW IT'S NOT TWO PLUS TWO. SOME OF THEM ARE THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE. THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME WAY TO COME UP WITH A BALANCE THAT IS BETTER THAN TEN. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH WHAT THAT OCCUPANCY LIMIT WAS? THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE SIX PEOPLE IN A STUDIO. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT IF A HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BEDROOM AND TWO BATHROOMS AND HAS TWO QUEEN BEDS, WHY ARE THEY GOING TO BE FOR HAVING THAT ALLOWED IN SPACE? A LOT OF THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WERE ARE NOT ALL THIS CLOSET SIZED ROOM WITH BUNK BEDS THERE ARE PROPERLY BUILT HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT TO CODE AND BUILT OVERLAYS THAT ALLOW FOR MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IN BEDROOMS THAT ALLOW FOR THAT WE'RE.

TALKING ABOUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RENTALS AS YOU GUYS SAID TO WHAT 1 TO 4 BEDROOMS IS WHERE THE BULK OF THESE PROPERTIES IN OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS THE MINORITY ARE THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT PROPERLY TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THEM AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO FLUSHED COMPLETELY OUT OF THIS MIX AND ALMOST MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO KEEP THEIR PREMISES.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTIONS AND I THINK THAT THEY GO TO AND I'M JUST GOING TO AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO FIND COUNSEL FOR US FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN BUT I'M GOING TO REACT THIS TIME FIRST WITH REGARD TO PARKING GARAGES AND OTHER REASONS, INSPECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT OFTENTIMES. PEOPLE MIGHT SAY I DON'T KNOW. OFTENTIMES PEOPLE MIGHT SAY I CAN PARK TWO CARS IN MY GARAGE OR I CAN PARK SIX CARS IN MY GARAGE WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE AND THEY'RE OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING ANYONE.

BUT IN REALITY IF YOU WERE TO INSPECT THAT PROPERTY, THAT GARAGE, A PING PONG TABLE AND IT HAS FIVE BICYCLES IN A KAYAK AND ALL THE REST AND THERE'S NO ONE PARKING IN THAT GARAGE.

AND SO THE ASSUMPTION HAS TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT'S A REALITY YOU CAN TELL ME YOU CAN POINT TO THERE BUT I'M NOT BUYING IT 90% OF THE TIME AND I HAVE BECOME A BIT JADED I WILL SAY BECAUSE I'VE LISTENED TO MORE PEOPLE CREATE MORE STORIES THAN I'M THEN I'M WILLING TO TO ABOUT HERE NOW AND ALSO TO THE POINT THAT IT'S MENTIONED THAT IF THEY WERE BUILT IF THEIR HOME WAS BUILT TO A PARTICULAR STANDARD THAT WE USE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND WE KNOW THAT THAT HOME WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A RESIDENTIAL HOME. WE KNOW FROM THE GET GO BECAUSE THEY'RE PERMITTED AND BEING ADVERTISED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL THEY HAVE THEIR CEO AND BEFORE THEY'VE EVEN BROKEN GROUND SOMETIMES AND SO THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF DOING A COMMERCIAL BUILDING COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND SO THAT ARGUMENT

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THAT WAS BASICALLY WHY I BROUGHT SHAWN BACK AND ASK HIM ABOUT PARKING IN THE GARAGE OR OUT OF THE GARAGE BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND MAYBE MAYBE WE SHOULD WRITE IT AS PERMITTED FOR EXTERIOR PARKING SPOTS. RIGHT.

SO IF THAT HOUSE INSPECTED AND IS ALLOWED FOR CARS TO BE PARKED IN THE EXTERIOR, WHY DOES IT MATTER IF? THEY PUT TWO OF THEM ON THE INTERIOR IF THERE'S NO PING PONG TABLE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS BUILT FOR CARS YOU CAN HAVE FOUR CARS IF THEY RAISED THE DOOR AND THEY CAN PUT TWO INSIDE YOU CAN STILL HAVE FOUR CARS OUTSIDE.

THAT'S WHAT WE CARE ABOUT WITH YOU KNOW FOR ME WOULD YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT'S INSIDE THE GARAGE YOU COULD HIDE TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE HIDE THEM IN THE GARAGE IT'S FINE WITH ME.

SO THAT WAS BASICALLY THE QUESTION WHEN I HAD SHAWN OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CALLING THE GARAGE IN THE IN THE COUNT OR OUT OF THE COUNT? WELL, IN YOUR CASE, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT REALLY IMPORTANT IS WHAT WE CAN SEE AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE OUTSIDE IS INSIDE THAT HOUSE INSIDE THE GARAGE TO ME IS MEANINGLESS AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION FOR A SHORT TERM PERMIT SAYS HOW MANY SPOTS DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR GARAGE? HOW MANY SPOTS DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR DRIVEWAY? BUT IT IS NOT CURRENTLY CLEAR ON WHICH ONE OF THOSE CALCULATES AND MAKES UP THE TOTAL.

YEAH THING WITH THE SLEEPING YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR OUR OCCUPANCY AND YOU'RE ASKING IF THAT OCCUPANCY INCLUDES A SLEEP RESERVE SO. THE APPLICATION FOR THE PERMIT ALREADY HAS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN THERE AND YOU'VE BEEN IT THIS WHOLE TIME.

YEAH BUT THERE'S NOBODY ENFORCING IT. YEAH YEAH, WELL I THINK THE PERMIT SHOULD SAY HOW MANY DRIVEWAY SPOTS YOU HAVE AND I THINK THERE'S A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK SHAWN? I THINK IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR POTENTIAL RUNNERS TO FIGURE HOW MANY CARS THEY CAN HAVE IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE.

SO I THINK THE WAY PRESENTED IT IS IS THE BETTER WAY YES AND ANSWER PHONE CALL AGAIN.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S MADE SENSE TO ME OF THIS ENTIRE ALMOST 3 HOURS NOW IS REALLY THE PENALTIES, THE ONES THAT ARE THE EGREGIOUS ONES YOU KNOW, WHICH NEIGHBORS ARE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, HOUSES EVERYTHING ELSE IS A WHOLE LOT OF REALLY GOOD INTENTIONS AND COMPASSION AND HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE ENOUGH RULES THAT EVERYBODY WILL COMPLY IN EVERY SITUATION AND IT'S IN THE WEEDS LIKE GOING TO READ ALL THESE RULES JUST FROM I MEAN I RAISED FOUR BOYS I LEARNED A LOT AND HOMESCHOOLED FOR OVER 20 AND I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL LIKE THE HOSPITAL THEY TELL THEM WHEN THEY'RE COMING SO THEY FIX EVERYTHING UP.

THE INSPECTIONS DON'T WORK AND I'M I'M JUST LIKE MY HEAD IS EXPLODING BECAUSE A LITTLE GERMAN LIVES IN THERE THAT JUST WANTS ORDER AND WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? DEFINE THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS IT'S HARD TO BE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU KNOW AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE MAKING UP ALL THESE EXTRA AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE TV SCREENS AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD NEW RULES, EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THE SUM TOTAL OF ALL THESE SIGNS I MEAN WAS WHAT WAS THE SONG ABOUT SIGN SIGNS EVERYWHERE IS A SIGN HOW HOW THE CURRENT REGULATIONS PROHIBIT MCMANSIONS TO THE MOST PART PARKING I'VE BEEN BAFFLED ABOUT WHERE IS THE FIRE MARSHAL HERE BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE KNEW FROM ANY OTHER PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED WAS DICTATED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL GET THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. BUT I HAD FOUR KIDS.

I WAS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO STAY WHERE WE COULD GET THE EXTRA ONE IN THERE BECAUSE HOTELS ONLY ALLOWED FIVE AND I WAS TRYING TO ABIDE BY THE RULES YOU ARE PUNISHING PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING ABIDE BY THE RULES BY THIS HUGE OVERREGULATE OCEAN AND IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT'S GOING TO MAKE 10 MILLION MORE AND TO THE PRESERVATION OF FACT THE MORE LAWSUITS INVOLVED IN BECAUSE WE STEPPED ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S RIGHTS THEN YOU CAN'T BUY BACK MORE GREEN SPACE AND DENSITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO THE A NUMBER OF CAR AND NOT GOING TO TAKE

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I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE COLLECT ON OUR ON OUR PERMITS.

SO LET'S DO THAT. WE WERE ASKED WHEN WE SET UP THIS PROGRAM HOUSE BY TOWN COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRACKING CERTAIN DATA POINTS. SO WE DO ASK FOR HOW MUCH WHAT THE RNC IS THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PROPERTY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES GOING TO BE IN THE PROPERTY AND TO THE POINT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS TO TO TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT DATA. IT IS SIMPLY DATA THAT WE ARE COLLECTING RIGHT NOW AND HELP US MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS FOR FOR DECISIONS SUCH WITH THIS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR AND THAT'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT CASSIE OR YES. YEAH YES. I WAS GOING TO CALL CALLING FOR A BACKTRACK BOB. THE NOISE LIMITS AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES IS PRETTY MUCH THE SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBED ABOUT ARRIVAL COCKTAIL HOURS TWO AND THREE HOUR TWO AND 3 A.M. IN THE NIGHTS AT THE SWIMMING POOL WHERE THE NOISE ECHOES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN CALL NUMBER SOMETIMES YOU GET THROUGH, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T AND EVEN IF YOU DO GET THROUGH THEY REGISTER A COMPLAINT BUT NOTHING IS DONE. NOBODY GOES TO THE HOUSE UNTIL THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD TOO MANY BEERS AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING YOU NEED TO BE QUIET AND GO INSIDE AND GO TO SLEEP. I WOULD THINK AS PART OF THE MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT YOU HAVE OFF YOU HAVE THAT GOES OUT ON COMPLAINT CALLS FOR A LIMITED NUMBER OF HOURS A DAY BUT AFTER THAT NOTHING YOU SHOULD HAVE A 24 HOUR A STAFF THAT IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT AT TWO IN THE MORNING OR THREE IN THE MORNING THEY GO OUT SAY HEY FOLKS, YOU NEED TO GO ON INSIDE AND GET QUIET AND THAT COULD AGAIN PAID BY FEES FOR THE LICENSEE IS TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL THANK YOU AND SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE AFTER 10:00 THE THE THE BEST CALL TO MAKE IF IT IS A DISTURBANCE LIKE THAT IS TO THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND MAKE THE REPORT AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET THOSE NUMBERS FED BACK TO US OR NOT FOR THOSE THOSE CALLS BUT OUR STAFF SHOULD IF THEY IF IT GOES TO COVER US AND I DO BELIEVE THEY DO AND PERCENT GO OUT THE NEXT DAY AND IN SOME MANNER WE REVIEW THE SITUATION AND DETERMINE WHAT NEXT STEPS WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN WE'LL END OR PASSING THE I ALREADY ASK HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT NOISE AND RESTRICTIONS ANYTHING TO ADD ANYTHING TO COMMENT HERE AND IF I DID I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE LOST TRACK WE'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT.

MY ONLY COMMENT WAS REGARDING THE TVS I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT DURING THE ALAMO REWRITE VERSUS THIS JUST A THOUGHT ALWAYS.

YEAH WELL YEAH I THINK YEAH MAYBE BOTH PLACES TO YOUR POINT YEAH STEVE ANYTHING TRASH SERVICES REQUIREMENTS ANY COMMENTS THOUGHTS COUNCIL MEMBERS COMMITTEE MEMBERS WITH REGARD TO TRASH SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. WELL I KNOW THAT I HAVE THE OPTION OF ONCE A WEEK OR TWICE A WEEK AT MY HOUSE AND I'D SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO READ YOUR HOUSE TO PEOPLE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE AT LEAST TWICE A WEEK SERVICE AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONCIERGE TRASH SERVICES OUT THERE THAT THE BEST MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH.

WE WHEN THEY HAVE AN ISSUE AND THEY CALL YOU BEST, YOU GUYS TAKE CARE OF IT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION WITH THE CONCIERGE SERVICE OR WHAT IF YOU MEAN BY CONCIERGE SERVICE WITHIN MY OWN PERSONAL OFFICE. YES, YES HOWEVER YEAH BUT YES WE ANY TRASH COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN AND TO YOUR POINT ONE TWO OR THREE TIME THE RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR SHORT

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IT'S BEEN FAR LESS OF ISSUE THIS YEAR. WE'VE HAD MUCH MORE RELIABLE PICK UPS BUT IN THE EVENT THAT A COMPANY DOESN'T GET BACK OR A TRUCK BREAKS DOWN SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY THERE ARE COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT WILL COME AND TAKE CARE OF IT IT.

SO I SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD. MELINDA OKAY, SO ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER AND WHERE WE'RE WITH WITH TRASH DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE UP TO THREE TIMES A WEEK THREE STRAIGHT? DO WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME? I PICK UP A OF DAYS PICK UP REQUIREMENT IN OUR CAR. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING I WAS ASKING THE SAME QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS NO. WE DO NOT HAVE MINIMUM NUMBER. WE DO HAVE SOME GENERAL LANGUAGE EXISTING IN WHAT WAS PROPOSED BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE ALL KNOW I MEAN LOOK OUTSIDE TODAY AND HOW NICE IT IS AND THIS IS OLD MAN AND THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC I MEAN IT'S IT'S THE CALM THE STORM IT'S JUNE, JULY, AUGUST WE HAD A STORM JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST AND THAT'S THE STORM THAT WE'RE TO MODERATE.

AND SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE YOU FOCUS THE THE PERMIT ISSUE ON THEIR TRASH PICKUP AND JUST THOSE THREE MONTHS AND OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS JUST BASICALLY SPECIFY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED AND WHEN THEY SHOULD BE SET OUT TO THE IF THEY NEED TO BE SET OUT TO THE CURB AND THAT THEY NEED TO BE SCREENED AND TO BE SCREENED CORRECT.

SO DO SO IS THERE AGREEMENT HERE THAT WE WANT TO PUT A REQUIREMENT OF A NUMBER OF DAY PICKUP SO THERE'S NOT JUST SATURDAY IS THERE ANYONE BOTHERED BY THAT AND WANTS SOMETHING PUT INTO THE THOUGHT PROCESS? THAT STUFF'S GOING TO GO BACK AND WORK THROUGH THIS PRACTICE. DO YOU THINK IT'S A BEST PRACTICE STATE? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CARRY CARRYING OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TRASH REMOVAL FOR THE STRETCH SERVICE. YEAH BUT THEY HAD PRESUMABLY ALREADY HAVE SOME CONCERNS SO THE WAY THAT POPPED MIND AS WE WERE HAVING A LITTLE SIDEBAR ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE AT THE OF PERMIT AS A PROOF OF TRASH SERVICE CONTRACT THAT'S PROVIDED TO US IT'S ANOTHER SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE TO CHECK BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO TO TO VERIFY THAT IS THE TIME OF PERMIT AND THEN WE COULD ALSO FOLLOW UP ON ANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND IT'S LINED UP ANY INPUT YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE WRITTEN INTO THE REGULATION THAT WE FELT DURING THE TIME OF PERMIT TRASH VERIFICATION IS THAT IT'S ONE DAY TWO DAYS WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION AND SO YEAH ARE YOU OKAY AND SO AS STEVE OR ANDREW YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AS AGAIN YOU'RE GETTING THREE TIMES A WEEK WHO IS THIS IS THIS A COMMERCIAL SERVICE? I MEAN OUR HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE ANY THEY WANT WE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH SAVAGE'S IN SAVAGE SANITATION AND THEY DO OFFER THE THREE TIME A WEEK I BELIEVE COASTAL DID AS WELL BUT THAT TRADITIONALLY LIKE I SAID IS ONLY REALLY NECESSARY JUNE-JULY IN AUGUST.

ALL RIGHT. SO SO THERE IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY THAT DOES THREE TIMES ABSOLUTELY OKAY. AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE YEAH I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S SO WELL WE CERTAINLY HAVE EXAMPLES AND BOB CAN ATTEST TO THIS WHERE WE GET GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT GARBAGE WHICH IS OVERFLOWING ONTO THE TO THE GROUND AND WAITING FOR PICK UP AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT BESIDES RODENTS, BUGS, YOU KNOW ALL THE REST. SO WE'VE GOT A BUSINESS ANYONE WANT TO SEE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PICKED UP DAYS WRITTEN INTO THE CHECKLIST ON THE PERMIT I'LL GO ALONG WITH THE IDEA I THINK THAT YOU KNOW AND CERTAINLY ONE IS NOT NECESSARY ESPECIALLY IN THE LARGER HOMES AND THE LARGER BECAUSE IT'S THE TRASH PROBLEM. SO OKAY SO YOU YOU HAVE THAT

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I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY MUST HAVE A MONITORED SMOKE ITEM, A MONITORED AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION SYSTEM. SO THINK OF ANY OF THE SECURITY COMPANIES THAT ARE MONITORING YOUR ALARMS ARE ALSO MONITORING YOUR SMOKE DETECTION SYSTEM AND ALSO A MANUAL FIRE ALARM WHICH IS GO BACK TO YOUR CRITICAL DAYS. WE HAVE THE FIRE ALARM ON THE WALL SOMETHING I CAN PULL OUT IN THE EVENT OF A OF A FIRE. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS REQUIRED NUMBER ONE. THE OTHER REQUIREMENT THEN WAS FOR ANY EXTERIOR GAS GRILL MUST BE EQUIPPED WITH AN AUTOMATIC SHORT TIMER IN THE PROPOSAL WAS NOT TO EXCEED 60 MINUTES SO IF YOU'RE GOING OUTSIDE YOU WALK AWAY FROM THE GRILL YOU'RE DONE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES RESPOND TO A LOT OF CALLS RELATED TO THAT AT LEAST EVERY 60 MINUTES THAT'S GETTING SHUT OFF AND IT DOES REQUIRE SOMEONE TO MANUALLY TURN IT ON EVERY TIME THEY GO TO USE THE GRILL.

SO MAYBE BE SET FOR 60, MAYBE SET FOR SOMETHING LESS BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE HAS TO BE DONE PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS REPRESENTED 577 PROPERTIES I'M REASONABLY CERTAIN IN THE CURRENT DATA THAT IS 578 578 PROPERTIES IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS CASE.

IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO SPRINKLER SYSTEMS EVEN FOR DWELLINGS LARGE SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN 3600 ? GOOD AFTERNOON CHRIS.

BLAZE OF FIRE CHIEF. YES SIR THERE IS AS WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT THAT BUT THESE HOUSES WERE ALL BUILT ON SINGLE RESIDENTIAL FIRE CODE WHICH DOES NOT MANDATE DATA SO THAT WOULD BE A VERY HEAVY LIFT TO GO BACK IN AND FORCE PEOPLE TO PUT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS BACK IN WHEN THE CODE DOES NOT CALL FOR THAT. SO YES, COMMERCIAL NEW NEW BUILD COMMERCIAL WOULD REQUIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM BUT THESE ARE BUILT AS RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND IT IS NOT REQUIRED IN THE CODE AND YOU AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE INPUT FROM THE COMMITTEE OR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE JOINED. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

I REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION DURING OUR FEBRUARY COUNCIL MEETING AND I THINK I RECALL THE FIRE TO SAY AND HE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS MONITORED AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE BUT THERE'S SOME PRACTICAL REALITIES THERE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS RELYING UPON THE FIRE TO USE RECOMMENDATION. MY COMMENT THOUGH TODAY IS THAT THE 600 I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WITH REGARD TO THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT PERSONNEL RESPONDING TO A FIRE THAT'S THAT'S THE AMOUNT THERE BUT I'VE SEEN THROUGH LOOKING AT

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THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR PLAN AND IT SHOULD BE POSTED IN THE UNIT AGREE WITH CHAIR BACKER MENTIONING ABOUT THE HOTEL THERE'S CLEAR ESCAPE SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROTECT VISITORS BECAUSE I THINK EVEN THE FIRE CHIEF MENTIONED IT AND APOLOGIZE IF I'M MISQUOTING YOU CHIEF IS IT WHEN YOU ARE STAYING SOMEPLACE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO GET OUT IN THE EVENT AN EMERGENCY AND SO THAT WOULD HELP THAT THE THE TYPE OF LAUNCH SYSTEM I WISH WE COULD YOU KNOW HAVE EVERY THE BEST THING POSSIBLE BUT WE CAN'T. BUT WHEN I SAW THE FIRE ON PHILLIP ISLAND AND WHEN I SAW HOW CLOSE THOSE BUILDINGS WERE TOGETHER AND AND YOU KNOW I WAS SAD TO SEE THERE WAS ANY LOSS OF LIFE THAT FIRE BUT I SHUDDER TO THINK OF HOW CLOSE A LOT OF OUR REALLY TALL STARS ARE THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEXT ONE. IN THAT CASE THERE WERE THREE HOMES THAT WERE LOST. I SHUDDER TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WERE A FIRE IN ANY OF THESE STORIES THAT ARE BUILT SO CLOSE TOGETHER WITH SO MANY STORIES AND WAY FOR THE OCCUPANTS ON THE UPPER LEVELS TO ESCAPE. SO WE MUST ADDRESS THAT WITH REGARD TO THE EXTERIOR GAS GRILL UNDERSTAND THAT'S A SMALL ITEM THAT YOU CAN ADD TO THE GRILL I'M FINE WITH THAT BUT THE FIRE SAFETY ALL, THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS YOU HAVE A FIREWALL EVERY SO OFTEN BY BUILDING CODE BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AND WE MUST PROTECT OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS FROM THOSE KIND OF FIRES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY LIKE HAPPENED ON PHILLIP ISLAND THANK YOU.

THANK ANYTHING COME TO MIND GENTLEMEN? OKAY.

OH YES. YOU'RE A GREAT PERFECT THANK YOU I LOVE I'M RICK LAWSON OF HOLIDAY AND GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN WE DROVE DOWN TO 78 DURING THE WINTER AND YOU KNEW WHO WAS DRIVING OTHER WAY IF YOU SAW SOMEBODY 50 YEARS ON THEY HAD AS FAR AS THIS SUBJECT GOES EVERY AND THE FIRE CHIEF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG EVERY BEDROOM SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SAFETY EGRESS A WINDOW THAT PERSON GET OUT IF A HOUSE IS BEING RENTED COMMERCIALLY THEY DON'T HAVE THAT. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED. THAT HOUSE SHOULD CHANGED AND CERTAIN ELEVATIONS THEY SHOULD HAVE A FIRE ESCAPE LADDER. THE FIRE THE SMOKE DETECTORS AND ALSO FIRE EXTINGUISHERS HUNG AND MARKED. IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IT SHOULD MATCH TO WHAT MY BUSINESS HAD TO HAVE AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMMERCIAL BUILDING HOW THEY SAFETY EQUIPMENT THEY HAD TO HAVE I MEAN THAT'S MY POINT THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE COMPANY THAT'S HAVE DID YOU CONSIDER CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS ALONG WITH SMOKE DETECTORS? YES. THAT'S OUR SEAT.

YES. IN THE ORDINANCE NOW IT IS REQUIRED IT HAS TO BE A DUAL SMOKE AND CARBON MONOXIDE AS WELL AS THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR SMOKE DETECTORS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS AS WELL AS FIRE EXTINGUISHERS ALREADY THIS IS JUST TO JUST THE DIFFERENCES.

THIS IS A IT'S AN AUTOMATIC SYSTEM. THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE ALARM COMPANY INSTEAD OF JUST NOTIFYING THE RESIDENTS AS THAT COULD HAPPEN JUST TO COMMENT ON THE SAME THING IS ONE WHY COULD YOU NOT FOR SURE SHORT RENTALS REQUIRE AUTOMATED NOTIFICATION SYSTEMS ON ALL UNITS. IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT TASK.

ANYBODY HAS A TYPICAL BURGLAR FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. THEY ALREADY COMMUNICATE SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT BIG A DEAL TO RETROFIT HOUSES THAT DON'T HAVE THEM WITH THE THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM WHICH IS CRITICAL WHEN YOU HAVE 15 AND 20 PEOPLE THAT ARE SO MANY LOTS OF ALCOHOL

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I'M SURE CHEATERS SEEN PLENTY OF THEM AND I KNOW WE'RE RELYING ON THE SORRY I'M JUMP RIGHT IN ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SAY I KNOW WE'RE RELYING ON THE DATA IN FRONT OF ME IN FRONT OF US AND I REALIZE INDICATES THAT THERE WAS ONE HOUSE IN THE ROOMS WHERE THERE WAS FIRE IN IT. BUT ACROSS THE ISLAND WE'VE HAD ISSUES, WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ARE FIRES AND PEOPLE DIE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROBLEM PER SAY IT'S A PROBLEM AND THEN YOU PUT PEOPLE IN SHOES CORRECTLY DESCRIBED AND AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE ENVIRONMENT THE THE PATHWAYS OUT MAYBE HAVE INDULGED A LITTLE BIT AND ARE ASLEEP WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

I'M SURE THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF THOSE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS REALLY A FIRE IS A FIRE IS I FIND MYSELF SAYING THESE TYPES OF THINGS TODAY AND WE NEED TO BE CERTAIN THAT IF WE'RE PERMITTING FOLKS WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT HEIGHTENED CAUTIOUS CAUTION BEING SOMEONE WHO HAD A FIRE AT THEIR HOUSE AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING AND WAS WOKEN BY THE GRACE OF GOD BY OUR FIRE ALARM WHICH WAS SCREAMING FIRE, FIRE, FIRE.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN ELEVATED HOME AND IF I DIDN'T HEAR IT WHEN I DID BECAUSE AS I WENT DOWN THE STAIRS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON BECAUSE I COULDN'T IMAGINE AND SAW FLAMES COMING UP THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH AT THAT POINT THAT THE HOUSE BEEN COMPLETELY FILLED WITH SMOKE AND THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET OURSELVES OUR DOGS OUT OF THE HOUSE SAFELY IF IT HAD BEEN LONGER WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE JUMPING THREE FLOORS DOWN INTO A TRAVERTINE DECK AND THEN FIRING OUR DOGS OVERBOARD AS WELL. IT'S REAL. SO I BE SAYING THIS BUT I WOULD SAY I HAVE SAID THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW ANYONE WHO LISTENS TO ME WHETHER I WAS SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS OR IF I WAS TALKING ABOUT ANYONE NEEDS TO PUT SAFETY INTO THEIR HOME FOR THINGS THAT YOU DON'T THINK WILL EVER TO YOU IT CAN AND WE STILL HAVE TO DO INVESTIGATIONS HAVE NO IDEA WHY SO BE THAT AS IT MAY HAS BEEN A BIG POINT OF THESE NOT BEING BUILT TO COMMERCIAL STANDARDS RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS I KNOW COMMERCIAL BUILDING YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPRINKLE UNTIL YOU GET ABOVE THE THIRD FLOOR.

WE DO HAVE FOUR STOREY HOUSES WHICH ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS. CAN YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO GET OF THERE WITHOUT AS I'VE ASKED FOR THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND I'LL REITERATE HERE AND I AND, I AGREE WHEN I SAY ALARMS I THINK I MEAN THEY NEED TO BE INTERCONNECTED.

THEY NEED TO BE SCREAMING AT YOU IN THE HOUSE AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFERENCE TO ALERT THE FIRE AND RESCUE WHO DO AMAZING WORK MY LIFE IS IN YOUR HANDS AND YOU ALL SAVED US MY HOME WAS IN OUR HANDS. HANDS AND I'M GRATEFUL AND THEY NEED TO BE BECAUSE THOSE THOSE SECONDS COUNT BETWEEN THE HOURS WHEN I WENT OUTSIDE MY HUSBAND WENT TURN OFF THE PROPANE TO YOUR POINT SO THAT NO FURTHER ANYTHING ADDITIONAL COULD HAPPEN AND CALL 911 AND I STOOD WITH TWO WATER HOSES TRYING TO COMBAT THE FIRE UNTIL THEY GOT THERE AND I WILL TELL YOU JUST AS A PRACTICAL MATTER AND I'M GOING TO WASTE 10 SECONDS ON IT YOUR YEARS DO NOT WORK ANY BETTER THAN WHEN YOU ARE LISTENING FOR HELP.

I'VE NEVER HEARD AND NEVER FELT MY EARS WORK THE WAY YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE WAITING FOR HELP IN THOSE OF SITUATIONS. IF WE CAN ALLEVIATE AND TRY TO HELP PROTECT FOLKS I'M ALL IN SO CONNECTED ALARMS WE TALKED ABOUT CEOS INSPECTIONS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE TELL YOU WHERE THEY HAVE THEM AND MAYBE THEY DO, MAYBE THEY DON'T, MAYBE THEY WORK AND MAYBE THEY DON'T I DON'T KNOW EXTINGUISHERS ESCAPE AFTER OUR FIRE I SENT EVERYONE I KNOW AND ALL OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS ESCAPE LADDERS FOR EVERY BEDROOM IN THEIR HOUSE.

THEY'RE NOT EXPENSIVE AT ALL. NOT AT ALL. AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ADD ALL KINDS OF THINGS FIRE, BLANKETS WHAT IF YOU CAN'T GET OUT WITH ESCAPE MAPS I THINK WAS MENTIONED THAT INFORMATION BEING PRESENT IN AND AVAILABLE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION YOU MAY LIKE I NEVER DID LOOK IN A HOTEL ROOM AND REALIZED THAT WAS THERE UNTIL I WAS FOCUSED

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GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION AND AND IT SAVES A LIFE AND THAT'S ALL RIGHT NOW AS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COUNCIL WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SAFETY AND HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR VISITORS, ETC. SO I WANTED TO SAY I AM ALL IN IF WE COULD AND THINK THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE THAT SPRINKLERS ARE IMPORTANT AND IF THAT CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

THESE ARE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE BEING RUN AND THOSE TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS ARE IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND I CAN'T SAY THAT ANY MORE STRONGLY.

I HOPE I'M NOT USING TO TONE THAT OF VOICE BUT THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

SO I HOPE OTHERS AGREE. I THINK WE HAVE SOME CONSENSUS AROUND THIS AND THAT'S THE DIRECTION FROM THE FROM THE COMMITTEE THE COUNCIL TO STAFF. WITH REGARD TO THAT, HAVE WE EXHAUSTED CONVERSATION AND ASKED OUR CHIEF ONE QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY.

I'M GOING TO HOP YOUR GO THE HOUSE KIAWAH ISLAND WHERE WE WERE REQUIRED TO INSTALL A FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEM AND A LOT OF THE OTHER HOUSES LARGER ON KIAWAH WERE REQUIRED AS WELL TO HAVE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS INSTALLED. WHY COULD THE NOT WHY COULD THE TOWN INCORPORATE THAT INTO FUTURE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AS A REQUIREMENT? I'D SAYING THAT ALREADY EXISTING STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE TO RETROFIT IT BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO REQUIRE IT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED AS SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS WITH HIGH DOLLAR HIGH OCCUPANCIES. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IS ONE OTHER SUGGESTION THAT WAS MADE THAT THAT MAY BE A CONVERSATION NOW BUT MORE PERTINENT TO OUR LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE WE REWRITE THAT WE'RE ALL ENGAGED IN OCCUPANCY LIMITS.

I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT. WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT OCCUPANCY LIMITS? AND AGAIN TO THOUGHTS THAT POPPED UP WHERE WE SETTLED AND AND SHOWN YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THAT LOCATION AND I HAD A TIME SO THAT'S THE NEXT CATEGORY LOCATION RESTRICTIONS AND I'M ADDING TIME TO TO THE CONVERSATION YEAH.

AUGUST ONE SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO START THIS CONVERSATION OFF? WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO EARLIER WHICH REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT BECAUSE IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE DELVED INTO THE PAST MUCH.

SO WITH THAT I WON'T OPEN IT UP TO YOU TWO GUYS HERE ON THE COMMITTEE AND GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS ON I THINK LOCATION RESTRICTIONS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A MORE OF A TOMORROW CONVERSATION IN THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A LONG VERY, VERY LONG TIME. BUT SOMEONE SPOKE MOMENT AGO AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE ARE WE NOT PROTECTING SMALL? I THINK THERE ARE COMMUNITIES ON THIS ISLAND SHOULD BE PROTECTED THERE THERE ARE EITHER NONE OR VERY LITTLE SHORT TERM RENTALS THERE RIGHT NOW SO WE SHOULD AT OR AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT RESTRICTING SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THOSE AREAS. THERE'S NOT THERE'S NONE NOW SO NO HARM DONE OR THERE'S VERY FEW MAYBE FREEZE THEM. YOU KNOW I'VE GOT A HANDFUL IN MY HEAD THAT WILL LIST WE'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY, STAY.

I THINK THAT CONSIDERATION OF LOCATION AND PERMIT CAMPS SHOULD BE TAKEN UP AT SOME POINT BUT NOT IN CONNECTION WITH THE CURRENT. I THINK WE WANT TO GET SOME STEPS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW THAT. WE CAN DEAL WITH BOTH OF THOSE SUBJECT MATTERS ARE MORE COMPLEX THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEALING WITH WOULD TAKE A GOOD DEAL MORE TIME TO WORK OUT. I DON'T WANT A HOLD UP GETTING SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW AND PERHAPS TAKE THOSE UP AT A LATER POINT.

OKAY. WELL ONCE OKAY. YOU WANT TO ASK I WAS GOING TO ASK THE REST OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS FIRST AND THEN THIRD. YES, I AGREE WITH WHAT MR.

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PROCESS EITHER YOU OKAY. AND BEFORE I CHIME IN I CORRECT BUT CORRECT.

YES, SIR. SORRY I STAYED OUT THERE WHEN YOU SAID SOME TRUE SOME UNTRUE MULTIPLE PETITIONS GOING AROUND BY THE WAY THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ANSWER THAT BUT I'M SO IN THE WORD MORATORIUM WHICH WE ALL DISCUSS GOOD OR BAD ARE YOU IS THE PROCESS HERE IT SOUNDS LIKE AND AGAIN TERRIBLE STORIES ON ALL ENDS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AFFECTED PERSONALLY FROM THE COMMENTS AND STORIES I AM JUST BY WHERE YOU LIVE RIGHT WELL NO I'M AFFECTED PERSONALLY BY THE FACT THAT I REPRESENT THE WARD FOR SPECIFICALLY BUT MORE GENERALLY THE ENTIRE AND SINCE AND BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL AND I WAS AND THAT SEATED IN 2018 I CAN GIVE YOU LAUNDRY LIST I USE PERSONAL EXAMPLES WHEN I CAN I THINK IT'S MEANINGFUL BUT I CAN GIVE YOU A LAUNDRY LIST OF PLACES THIS ISLAND WITH SIMILAR EXPERIENCES SO IT'S NOT AND SURE SO THEN I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR ABSOLUTELY NOT CALLING YOU OUT I WAS MAKING A POINT THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY SHARE INFORMATION AND PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT BUT I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE SO ALL THESE SEEM TO AND MOST OF THESE STORIES ARE VERY SIMILAR STORIES THEY'RE ALL IDENTICAL. IT'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROBABLY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED A TEN BEDROOM HOME AND ETC. MORE OF THESE THINGS TO COME DOWN. BUT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE RESORT AND SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW RENT MORATORIUM THE RESORT DISTRICT AND BY THE COUNCIL CHANGED THE ALAMO IN 2014 SO THAT THERE WOULD BE THESE LOCATED IN THE RESORT DISTRICT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU SAY ISLAND JUST BECAUSE THEY MADE A MISTAKE IN 14 DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T CORRECT IT. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE PROJECTS GOING CURRENTLY THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE I MEAN BIG TIME LITIGATION BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY GOING VERTICAL AND YOU GIVE ME YOUR SAMPLE I MEAN YOU ARE GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE SINGLE EXAMPLE.

JUST JUST GIVE ME ONE BY ONE FOLLOWING. WE'RE GOING TO START ON ONE ON SOUTH BEACH THERE'S MULTIPLE PRE APPLICATIONS THROUGH THERE'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL WHO'S GOING TO TEST TO HOW MANY RENOVATION REDEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THOSE AREAS I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE ALL SDR EITHER. I'M JUST MAKING THE POINT OF BE A HOTEL WHICH DOESN'T SEEM TO BE INCLUDED IN PART OF THAT PROVISION.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS I AGREE WITH YOU ON SOMETHING.

I MEAN I CAN'T SAY ANYONE CAN AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME OF THE STORIES OF THAT BUT SOME OF THESE AREAS TOO THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR IT. THEY'RE BEACHFRONT.

THEY'RE PART OF THE ESSENCE OF I'M NOT SURE IF I AGREE JUST SIMPLY BY BEING BEACHFRONT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR DESIGN YEAH NO ONE WAS DESIGNED FOR STARS WE'RE LOOKING AT ASSETS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY DESIGNED FOR LIKE BY DESIGN CODE EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR IS ALREADY COMPLETED 100%. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS I AGREE LIKE 50 YEAR OLD IT DOESN'T THE OCCUPANCIES DON'T WORK ETC. BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC ONES THAT ARE DONE IN RESORT AREAS SUCH AS CERTAIN HOURS SEA PINES THAT MAKE TONS OF SENSE THAT THERE YOU KNOW ARE THEY TO WHERE THEY DESIGNED AS SO RESORT DEVELOPMENT CORRECT ME IF I'M BUT RESORT DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGNED AND SPECIFICALLY FOR DID THEY BUILD UNDER A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODE OR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING COMMERCIAL BUILDING CODES MAN? YEAH. WHEN YOU BUILD A MULTI-STORY BUILDING WITH A GARAGE PARKING THAT'S FIREPROOF CAN ATTEST SO CAN OUR BUILDING CODES ARE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING ZONE RESIDENTIAL USE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE SO COMPLETELY COMMERCIAL 100% COMMERCIAL APPLICATION COMMERCIAL FEES ARE PAID COMMERCIAL PERMITS ARE PAID BUT RESIDENTIAL USE SO THEY ARE COMMERCIAL. YES, HUNDRED PERCENT NOT IN ALL CASES. AND I THINK SOMEONE I THINK PERHAPS IT MAY HAVE REFERENCED BEFORE SANDCASTLE WHICH IS RESORT DEVELOPMENT THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLES ABOUT A SITUATION OF A RESIDENTIAL LOT. I'M TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIALLY ZONED PARCEL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPLES AND ORANGES AND I THINK I DON'T THINK MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NECESSARILY APPLIES TO THIS SITUATION. BUT WHAT I WOULD OFFER AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION IS YOU KNOW HOW TO REACH ME.

ALL MY INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE. PLEASE REACH OUT.

I WANT TO SIT DOWN AND CHAT OKAY I WANT TO HEAR MORE. SURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU OKAY SO I THINK IT WAS MICHAEL DID WE GET TO THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE? MELINDA YOU JUST SPOKE AS IF YOU HAD AN OPINION ON ANYTHING

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I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY. IT NEEDS TO PAY FOR ITSELF. I'M ONLY THERE EXCUSE ME ON THE ISLAND X AMOUNT OF DAYS IS THAT DOES THAT DRIVE TO WHAT I THINK PATSY OR MAYBE IT WAS MELINDA'S EARLIER POINT I'LL GO BACK MY NOTES I DID WRITE IT DOWN AND HOW YOU A TWO TIER SHORT TERM RENTAL ENVIRONMENT I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT I THINK THOSE WERE PARTS OF THE DISCUSSION I WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE. SO THERE'S THAT I WOULD THINK I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT THAT WANT TO PRESENT HERE TODAY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DISTURBED MORE BY FOLKS WHO ARE COMING IN FOR SHORT PERIODS TO STAY LESS THAN A WEEK.

THE CONSTANT TURNOVER, THE FOUR DAY RENT OR THE FIVE DAY RENT OR THE WEEKEND RENT.

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WE IN SHIPYARD. I GET IT BUT I'M ALSO TRYING TO SAVE PROBLEMS IN A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT SO TIME IS SOMETHING IF WE DON'T TO AND I HEARD THAT WE DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON LOCATION RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S FINE. I SEE IT AS PART OF A WORKFORCE HOUSING CONVERSATION THAT GETS BROUGHT IN BUT I DO THINK TIME MATTERS AND SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT A TO A TWO WEEK CYCLE RATHER THAN THE ONE WEEK CYCLE THAT WE MOSTLY NOW AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY CAN TELL US I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS HERE FROM MANAGEMENT SIDE HOW MANY WE KNOW THERE'S A DYNAMIC CHANGE IN SHORT TERM RENTALS AND PART OF THAT DYNAMIC CHANGE IS THAT FOLKS ARE COMING FOR THE WEEK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE SHOULDER LENGTH OF STAYS TO COME ON TO HILTON HEAD. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'RE RENTING MORE TO THEIR ARRIVAL DATE AND USING DYNAMIC PRICING AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE ECONOMIC DISCUSSION THAT WHERE WE STARTED HAVE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER TO YOUR POINT, COREY, WHAT IT DOES IS DRIVE DOWN ON PRICES WHEN IT TO DRIVE DOWN ON PRICES AND WHAT COULD BE CORRELATED WITH IS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAVING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF VISITOR THAT WE'RE ATTRACTING BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS TO CONSIDER A BIG PICTURE AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF VISITOR WHY ARE WE DRIVING DOWN PRICES AND SHE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT I MEAN I HER NAME SO HE'S CERTAINLY MY YES MA'AM AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WRAP THIS UP PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 15 MINUTES OR SO.

SO WELL HERE'S THE PROBLEM AND I DO APPRECIATE IT. IT'S BEEN A LONG MEETING BUT STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT TO OUR TOWN MANAGER AND OUR STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE COLLECTIVELY SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER AND WE DON'T WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO SENTIMENT ON THE ISLAND THAT WE'RE KICKING THINGS DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE NOT PROBLEMS EXCUSE ME WHEN WHEN WE DO GET TO THAT PART CAN WE SUMMARIZE THAT? YES FOR THE MINUTES? YES, MA'AM WELL THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ME INTO THE CONVERSATION ON THE LIMIT AND OBVIOUSLY I AM ONE OF MANY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE THIS ISLAND. SO I REALLY I DON'T WANT TO BE VIEWED AS THE ONLY VOICE ON THIS. UNFORTUNATELY I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THE ROOM AT THIS TIME. THERE IS A DEEP DOVE INTO THAT DISCUSSION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE 14 DAYS AS A LIMIT FOR I MEAN THAT YES OUR PRIMARY SEASON IS SUMMER BUT MOST OF HOMEOWNERS HAVE BOUGHT THEIR HOMES. THEY ARE MOST THE HOMEOWNERS THAT COME TO ME IT'S NEVER A QUESTION ON HOW DO YOU WRITE YOUR 12 WEEKS OF SUMMER? THAT'S EASY. PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE COMING THEY'RE NOT COMING FOR 14 DAYS. SO THAT'S A LOT TO DIGEST BUT IT'S THESE OFF SEASON RENTALS IN THE WINTER IN THE SPRING ONE THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE I SPENT ALL OF SATURDAY PREPARING MY HOMES MY HOMEOWNERS TO GET BACK ONTO THE ISLAND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THAT TIME PERIOD.

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KNOW IT AND THE SENTIMENT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS SINCE THIS BECAME A TOPIC CONVERSATION AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE I'M EXHAUSTED.

YEAH. TELL WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. OKAY.

WELL, WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A NEED FOR SOME REGULATION.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A REASONABLE BALANCE AND SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ENFORCED.

SO I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO REHASH ALL THIS BUT I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT THIS COUNCIL ALREADY SAID THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS THEY WANT TO TALK IT MORE TOMORROW. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE IN THE FUTURE.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL AND I WANT TO PLAY OUT THOSE SCENARIOS.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ECONOMIC THAT'S HAPPENED. WE'VE HEARD THE STATISTICS 30 TO 60% DOWN IN MOST PLACES. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM FROM FROM FOLKS THAT TALK TO ME AND . SO THE REALITIES OF WHAT HAPPENS ARE HERE IN FRONT OF US . WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY THERE ARE TOO DISRUPTIVE THERE ARE TOO AND THE LIKE.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THINGS PLACE THAT HELP TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND IF I DOING THAT THAT BUBBLE AND THE CODE A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN THE NORMAL ECONOMIC CURVE WOULD HAVE SEEN SINCE NATURALLY TAKING IT RESIDENTS FIRST AND IT'S NOT A SLOGAN SO TOGETHER I THINK WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND COME TO SOME AGREEMENT WITH REGARD TO THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND DOING THAT.

LIKEWISE, PEOPLE DEFINITELY I DEFINITELY HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SCAN WITHIN THE NEXT OF WEEKS THOUGH SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WHAT ELSE IS ON OUR LIST? PERMIT CAPS IS OUR LAST ONE AND I'M SURE THAT WE'RE ALL PLEASED TO HEAR THAT BUT YES SIR. SORRY.

NO, I'M YOU'VE SAT THERE QUIETLY. I WAS HOPING YOU WERE TO SAY I'M GEORGE HARTMANN. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF LODGING OPERATIONS FOR THE SEA PINES RESORT. JUST BEEN TAKING IT ALL IN AND I'M COMPLETE ON HER PAGE AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M PART THAT MEETING. IF WE DO SIT DOWN WITH A COUPLE OF COUNCIL PEOPLE SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN STAY AWAY FROM A MORATORIUM AND COME WITH A SOLUTIONS TO THESE PROBLEMS WITHOUT A MORATORIUM WHICH I'M REALLY HOPING WE THE MORATORIUM IS GOING TO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING OUR VISITORS.

BUT THAT PROVIDE A LOT OF ECONOMIC GROWTH TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND PLEASE JOIN US AGAIN TOMORROW FOR THAT DISCUSSION ON MORATORIUMS AND PART OF PART OF THE MORATORIUM DISCUSSION IS THAT AS WE'VE TALKED THROUGH THESE ITEMS WHICH I KNOW HAVE BEEN TEDIOUS, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS CAN WE DO IT WITHOUT A MORATORIUM? CAN WE GET THIS WORK QUICKLY? I KNOW I'VE OFFERED TO HAVE AS MANY SPECIAL MEETINGS AS NECESSARY TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD. I'M NOT STANDING IN ANYONE'S WAY A TIME IS IMPORTANT HERE WE'VE WAITED TOO LONG PERMIT CAPS ANY DISCUSSION FROM THIS COMMITTEE WITH REGARD PERMIT CAPS START UP STARTED OFF WELL LADIES WHICH I'D LIKE TO START OFF ON LINDA DO YOU HAVE ANY THAT'S OKAY. I SIMPLY I'M SORRY THIS AGAIN I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN BRYSON AND ALFRED THAT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON MOVING THESE OTHER FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND I AM CERTAINLY COMMITTED MEETING MORE FREQUENTLY IN ORDER TO GET THAT DONE AND. SOME OF THESE OTHER PIECES ARE GOING TO TAKE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT ON GETTING SOMETHING OUT THERE.

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I MEAN WE HAD CONVERSATIONS REGARDING SOME OF THESE ITEMS BACK IN FEBRUARY AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONSENSUS IT SAT AND HERE WE ARE IN SEPTEMBER TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO I WOULD LIKE GET THOSE PIECES DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW SEASON COMING UPON US IN REGARDS TO RENEWALS AND WE WANT TO GET AS MUCH OF THIS COMPLETED IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ANYONE? SO IS YOUR RIGHT IS THERE A THOUGHT AND THIS IS REALLY PROBABLY A GOOD CONVERSATION FOR TOMORROW BUT IS THERE A THOUGHT AMONG THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE HAVEN'T OUR MAX NUMBER AND SHORT TERM RENTALS ON THE ISLAND THAT WE'RE OPEN TO MORE? IT COULD BE A RHETORICAL QUESTION YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER IT. YOU CAN GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LIKE I'VE SAID IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM BEFORE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHAT THE POTENTIAL IT COULD BE . WE WENT FROM 3500 TO 7000.

WHAT IF WE WAKE UP THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND IT SAID 10,000. HOW WOULD WE FEEL AS A COMMUNITY AND WHO ARE WE DISPLACING? AND THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND WITH THAT WHEN YOU MENTIONED WHO ARE WE DISPLACING WE NOW WE ALL ARE HEARING AND IT'S OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOLKS ARE NOT HAPPY COMING TO HILTON HEAD ANYMORE THERE'S A LOT OF DISGRUNTLED VISITORS WHO SAY THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'M SHOWING UP HERE AND THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE LONG TIME RESIDENTS AND SHORT TIME RESIDENTS QUITE HONESTLY I DON'T DISTINGUISH ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE LIVES HERE WHO ARE SAYING YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M PACKING MY BAGS AND I'M HEADING OUT BECAUSE HILTON HEAD HAS CHANGED OR HILTON HEAD ISN'T WHAT THOUGHT IT WAS AND THOSE ARE ALSO SERIOUS CONCERNS AND I HEAR THE REVERSE ABOUT HOW YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THESE THINGS BUT IT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING FOR REASONS THAT DON'T STEM FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO ANY OTHER INPUT WITH REGARD TO PERMANENT CAMPS AT THE TIME BEING NOT NOT TODAY. OKAY.

OKAY. WE'VE YOU ARE EXCUSED GENTLEMEN TO LEAVE TO GO TO THESE.

YEAH, THAT'S THE LAST TIME I'M HERE AS PART OF THAT PERMIT CAMPS AND IT'S FEES SO QUICK ON FEES AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE AND JOIN US IN A MINUTE AND CONTINUE MY QUESTION I THINK THERE ARE TWO ARE PERMANENT FEES WHICH ALONE I THINK THEY'RE NOT COVERING THEY'RE NOT COVERING WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT ON THE STAFF. I THINK YOU KNOW, MY REQUEST TO GET ALL THESE INSPECTED IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF STAFF. WHERE DOES THIS HAVE COME FROM? DOES IT COME FROM 24 ON 48 OF OUR DEPARTMENT GUYS THAT WANT TO WORK ON DAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING LET THEM LET THEM HAVE A SECOND JOB I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S FOR A THREE MONTH PERIOD THAT A LOT OF THIS STUFF HAS BE PLACED.

BUT THE INITIAL PART OF GETTING THE PERMIT HAS TO BE INSPECTED .

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO PRESENT TO GET THAT DONE SO THESE THINK WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION AND BY THE WAY I'M HAVING INPUT AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY'RE GETTING TO SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS AND AND I KNOW IT'S HARD AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING BEING HERE AND VOICING YOUR OPINIONS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM AND WE'LL AGREE I AGREE THE STATUS RECOMMENDATION AND MY ONLY CAVEAT IS THAT LET'S SEE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR 5 TO 7 BEDROOMS SO THAT YEAH THERE IS A CUT OFF BUT ABOUT FOUR BEDROOMS INCREASING THE FEES FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HAVING HAD A QUARTER SHARE IF YOU WOULD CHARGE ME 20 $500 FOR THE 13 WEEKS WE WERE ABLE TO IT I WOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS SO I LIKE THE GRADUATED SCHEDULE AND THE ONLY OTHER DISTINCTION I MIGHT MAKE IS IS THERE A REASON TO CALL SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION BUT I AGREE WITH STEPH'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SEE I CAN'T SEE A LOGICAL PURPOSE. SEAN, IF YOU'RE STILL IN THE ROOM WHY IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. WHY SHOULD ONE STRUCTURE BE DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER STRUCTURE? THERE'S NO MORE IN MY OPINION

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THAT'S CORRECT. WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? SO I THINK WE TO HAVE A FEE ACROSS THE BOARD AND I DEFINITELY THINK IT SHOULD BE NO LESS THAN $1,000. WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION THAT WE AS A COUNCIL ARE CREATING AND MAKING THOSE CHANGES BE ABLE TO STAFF THESE HOMES OR FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND $40,000 SOME VILLAS I'M NOT SURE $1,000 FEE OF A QUARTER DOLLARS WORTH OF REVENUE I DON'T THINK IS IS IS A BIG PROBLEM BUT IT WOULD IT'S A MINIMAL PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S WE HAVE TO GENERATE ENOUGH FUNDS TO BE VERY ACTIVE IN THIS SPACE. SO I'M NOT SURE TOO LOW.

YEAH. OKAY. I KIND OF THINK TOO BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY THE BASIS OF HOUSING. WELL, I CAN HELP YOU BECAUSE I AGREE THAT RANKING IS WHAT WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT. I TEND TO AGREE AND YES WHEN 1/2 I TEND TO IT'S A COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND I GET IT AND IF YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT DOESN'T WORK THEN YOU'RE OUT OF BUSINESS AND SO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT $1,000 BEING GENEROUS TO YOU ADMIT THAT YOU AGREE WITH MR. WELLS AND THAT THIS IS TOO LOW I'M STARTING AT 20 $500.

I'M STARTING 20 $500 FOR A PERMANENT THIS IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

THIS IS A TOWN THAT IS TRYING TO REGULATE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE A HIGHER QUALITY A HIGHER QUALITY AND IF THAT MEANS THAT SOME FOLKS ARE LIVING ON THE MARGINS CAN'T DO IT, THEN THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING THE TYPE OF QUALITY EXPERIENCE THAT MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I'M AT 2500 AND I THINK THE FEES SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD LIKE YOU DO. SEE THERE'S DEFINITELY NO WHEREVER IT LANDS THERE'S NO REASON FOR THERE TO BE AN ESCALATING FEE. NO MORE WORK DONE THAT WOULD JUSTIFY IT MAKES NO SO ONE ASPECT THAT MAY IS THAT THERE IS MORE REVENUE FOR THE LARGER SITUATIONS AND THAT WOULD JUSTIFY A GRADUATED FEE FOR MY COMMENTS EARLIER NOT IN FAVOR OF OF THE HIGH OCCUPANCY DWELLINGS BEGIN WITH WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8 TO 10 BEDROOMS SO IF WE DON'T PROHIBIT THEM ON DISPOSITION IN TAXES OR LICENSE THEM OUT OF BUSINESS WITH A MUCH HIGHER FEE SO THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF LOCATION RESTRICTIONS PROHIBITION AND LARGE HOMES FOR A SHORT TIME RENTAL EXPERIENCE IS IN AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON FEES I LINE TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO COUNCILMAN ALFRED'S POINT THAT IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT REVENUE.

SO CAN I BRING UP THE POINT WITH REGARD TO THAT? SURE.

GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. HERE WE ARE AS A BODY ELECTED TO PROTECT AND, SERVE THE ISLAND SAFETY OF HEALTH ETC. SO I'M TOP PRIORITY AND OUR RESIDENTS WHO VOTED FOR AND I DO APPRECIATE THE LEVEL THAT WE GOT TALKING ABOUT NONRESIDENTS ETC. AND HOW THEY GET REPRESENTED AND I DO I AM SENSITIVE TO THAT BUT THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE ISLAND ARE THE ONES WHO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT A ANY BUSINESS ON THE ISLAND AS A AS A MATTER OF THEIR ECONOMIC STABILITY, BUSINESS PLANS, ETC.

THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE CALCULUS I GUESS BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I IF I DON'T DRAW A LINE HERE BECAUSE GOING BACK TO ONE OF MY FIRST COMMENTS WE NEED A CAR WE A COMMERCIAL

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THEY CLEARLY AREN'T THE LITERATURE OUT IN THE WORLD CLEARLY DOES NOT AND BY US NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AND WORKING TO IDENTIFY, DISTINGUISH AND DEFINE THOSE WE ARE DOING ALL US A DISSERVICE. AND SO HERE WE ARE SOLVING PROBLEMS WHILE WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED A REALLY FOUNDATIONAL SUBSTANTIVE PART OF THAT SO THAT'S MY OPINION ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THAT'S WELCOME ? IT'S A VERY WAY TO GET THE ONE, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM PROPERTIES OUT OF TERM RENTALS AND BACK INTO LONG TERM RENTALS IS TO CHARGE THEM A 20 $500 PERMIT FEE THAT'S JUST FOR IT'S THREE IN SOME OF THOSE CASES I'M NOT ARGUING FOR IT OR AGAINST IT. I'M JUST STATING THAT WILL THAT WILL FLUSH A FAIR AMOUNT OF THAT WINDOW OUT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET BY THE PARAMETERS AND SO ON. SO TO ANSWER WITH ONE STONE WE GET A WORKFORCE BACK THAT EVERYONE IS UP IN ARMS ABOUT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TALKING A SLEW OF REALTORS IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS THAT A LOT OF THESE UNITS ARE RIGHT ON THE FINE LINE RIGHT NOW OF LETTING OUT LONG TERM RENT VERSUS SHORT TERM RENT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF WEEKS THEY'RE BASED ON PAYING THEIR VACATION RENTAL BUSINESS BASED ON THE TAX THEY HAVE TO PAY THE PERMITS HAVE TO PAY OUT AREA THE TRASH SERVICE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH NET NET AND THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THAT NOW AND IF THEY START LOSING MORE WEEKS IT'S GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO FALL MORE STRONGLY TOWARDS LONG TERM RENT. SO I HEAR WHAT SAYING AND AND THINK ABOUT THAT IF 20 $500 VERSUS 250 AND 20 $250 THROWS SOMEONE OUT OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL MARKET.

I MEAN THEY'RE ON THAT FINE LINE AS IT IS WHY WHY I'M SPEAKING FOR THEM BUT WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO SUBJECT THEMSELVES WEEKLY TURNOVERS AND DAMAGE TO THEIR UNITS WHEN THEY CAN PUT A LONG TERM RENTER IN IT AND COME OUT THE SAME THE END.

SO THAT'S A TOUGH SUBJECT BUT I THINK IT'S A REALITY AND. THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT THAT RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS SEEING THEN KIM, YOU ASKED US FOR A SUMMARY. ARE REFERRING TO THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION? NO MA'AM JUST STAFF DIRECTION PLEASE OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET SHAWN STEP UP AND WHY DON'T YOU READ BACK TO WHAT YOU HAVE AND I WILL AND HELP TO AND IF I MISS ANYTHING, PLEASE RIGHT HERE IN CHINA.

OKAY. LET ME GET BACK TO THE FLOW AND REFERENCING OKAY AND PERHAPS MORE USEFUL JUST TRY TO WORK FROM LEFT RIGHT ACROSS THESE THESE CATEGORIES.

OKAY. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM FROM STAFF TAKING NOTES IF I MISSED ANYTHING PLEASE SHOUT OUT LOUD MAKE SURE WE'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING AS IT RELATES TO THOSE FIRST TWO ITEMS PERMIT CAPS AND LOCATION RESTRICTIONS.

WHAT I HEARD IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS PART OF THE MANDATE AS PART OF A GLOBAL REWRITE THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD WE WOULD TALK ABOUT LOCATION RESTRICTIONS AND PERMIT INCLUDING SOME OF THE DEFINITIONAL THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR FOR THAT TO ENTER INTO THE CONVERSATION. BUT I'M HEARING THAT CONVERSATION IS A AS LATER CONVERSATION OR CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT THAT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE PART OUR CONVERSATION TOMORROW DURING THE MORATORIUM AS IT RELATES TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS I DID NOT HEAR ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES OF MAX MAXIMUM OR LOCATION REQUIREMENTS THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT GUEST PARKING AND THEN ALSO THAT WE REALLY CONSIDER WE REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE THAT EXTERIOR PARKING . I DID NOT HEAR A CLEAR CONSENSUS THOUGH ON ON WHAT TO WHAT DO IN THAT CASE FOR GUEST PARKING VERSUS INDOOR EXTERIOR PARKING WHAT I HEARD WHAT I BELIEVE I HEARD IS GUEST PARKING IS PART OF THE TOTAL OR PERHAPS THE THE THE GIVE AND TAKE HERE IS IS RATHER THAN COUNTING THE GARAGES AND THE AND THE COUNT THE SPACES IN THE GARAGE WE FOCUS ON HOW MANY CARS ARE ALLOWED OUTSIDE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK NOT DOING IT THE THE WAY THE SMALL AMENDMENT WAS THERE IS

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BUT WHEN YOU GET THERE AND THE INSIDE IS NOT AVAILABLE AND YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED FOR CARS OUTSIDE, WHAT HAPPENS A PARK ON YOUR FLIGHT, YOUR HOUSE IT'S RIGHT ON OUR.

YEAH. I THINK BASED ON THE KIND OF JUST THIS BRIEF CONVERSATION AT LEAST I HAVE SOME DIRECTION WE CAN CRAFT SOME CODE FOR YOU ALL TO RESPOND TO THAT POTENTIALLY THE NEXT MEETING OF PARTICULAR CONCERN AND I AGREE AND WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE ALL THE AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE ALL THE COMMENTS WE'RE GOING TO SUMMARIZE NOW SOME HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANY OF US WITH ME AND WE'LL PICK UP ON YOUR THOUGHT BASED ON HAVE ENOUGH TO GO WITH WE CAN MAKE GRAPHS OKAY ACCURACY WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT AVERAGE THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH BEFORE INSTEAD FOCUSING ON TWO PLUS TWO SO MEANING THERE'S TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO FOR THE UNIT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU'RE A FOUR BEDROOM UNIT YOU GET TWO PEOPLE FOR EACH BEDROOM AS A PLUS AND TWO FOR THE TOTAL UNIT. SO THAT WOULD BE AN OCCUPANCY OF TEN PEOPLE.

I ALSO HEARD STUDIOS SHOULD BE SHOULD NOT BE TREATED THE SAME AS BEDROOM STUDIO SHOULD BE TWO IS WHAT I HEARD AND WE CARRY THAT MATH ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE TO THE TO THE UP TO THE TEN BEDROOMS BUT THERE WAS A CAP SUGGESTED AT 18 SO ONCE YOU REALLY GOT TO THAT NINE ONCE YOU GO TO THAT A BEDROOM BEDROOMS NINE MORE NINE OR MORE BEDROOMS WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY CAPPED AT 18 OR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT FOR INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS PROBABLY ANOTHER AREA WHERE I NEED A LITTLE OF CLARIFICATION.

WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT ANY NEW OR UNINSPECTED PERMIT SO THOSE EXISTING PERMITS THAT ARE ARE ALREADY AND THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INSPECTED THEY SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO AN INSPECTION AND THEN ON THE RENEWAL BASIS THERE SHOULD BE SOME REGULAR INTERVAL WHERE WE CHECK IN.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IT'S IN EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GO AND WALK THROUGH A UNIT OR AT SOME REGULAR INTERVAL WE SHOULD IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL IN PLACE . OH CAN I JUST ON THAT A RANDOM SO THEN I DON'T HOW YOU DETERMINE IT MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS I'LL JUST ADD THAT ONE I KNOW EXACTLY BUT SO IF FOR EXAMPLE WE GO THROUGH AND DO AN INSPECTION ON EVERYTHING AND THEN PUT THEM ON A ROTATION FOR EVERY EVERY OTHER YEAR EVERY THIRD YEAR THERE WOULD BE AND WE COULD DO THAT RANDOMLY.

WE COULD DO THAT BY LOCATION THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS WE COULD WE COULD COME UP WITH A FURTHER DISCUSSION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION AS PART OF THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED. FOR EXAMPLE SITE PLANNING REQUIREMENT SAME POINT NOW BUT A FLOOR PLAN SHOWING A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS SHOWING SAFETY RELATED DEVICES SHOWING FIRE FIRE ESCAPE ROUTES I THINK IS THE TERM THAT I CAN'T READ HERE IN MY NOTES AND THEN ALSO THE PARKING AMOUNT LOCATION SO OR BUILDING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION INTO OUR INTO OUR SUBMITTAL APPLICATIONS AS PART OF THAT WE WOULD ALSO RECEIVE AN APPROVAL LETTER FROM PURE WAY OF PLAY AS APPLICABLE AND THERE IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE GO BACK OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT THEY ARE TODAY VERSUS WHAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD.

I THINK THAT RELATES TO TO WHETHER THE DEFINITION HOW WE DEFINE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE THEY AS THEY SHOULD BE IN MY MIND A COMMERCIAL ENTITY AND YOU FINISH WITH ONE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE MORE IT'S I THINK SO I NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR ADVERTISEMENT WITH THE YES

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OKAY. SO THAT TAKES US TO TRASH SERVICE REQUIREMENTS FOR TRASH.

WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PROOF OF CONTRACT THERE SOME THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC NUMBER AS FAR AS FREQUENCY OF PICKUP BUT IT WAS MORE THAN ONE WHETHER IT'S TWO OR THREE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT FOR NOISE LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS. WE HAD SOME CLEANUP WORK THAT WE WERE DOING IN THE PROPOSED CODE BECAUSE IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ALIGNED WITH THE CURRENT NOISE SO WE WERE DOING SOME CLEANUP OR CARRY THAT FORWARD THERE WAS A REFERENCE THEN TO OUTDOOR MEDIA, OUTDOOR TVS THAT THEY BE SCREENED FROM FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY VIEW THAT THAT REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE BOTH HERE AND IN THE ALAMO. YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

THANKS I'M TRYING TO REFERENCE BACK UP ABOVE I'M LOOKING ABOVE MY RIGHT NOW THANK FOR THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE HEARD THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS BUT I BELIEVE THAT WHERE THE CONSENSUS WAS WAS ALIGNED WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY OF THE MONITORED DETECTION AND MANUAL FIRE ALARM TIED TO THAT 3600 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENT BUT THEN THAT THE ROLE SHOULD SHOULD BE AGAIN AS PART OF THAT SUBMITTAL THERE IS A FIRE EXIT PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED AND ALSO PROVIDED IN THE UNIT THERE WAS A TO PROVIDING FIRE ESCAPE WATER LADDERS AND THEN PROPANE DETECTORS WHICH I'M ASSUMING SEAL MONITORS DON'T DON'T DETECT PROPANE PROPANE DETECTORS.

WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT SPRINKLERS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT THAT CHANGE BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANY SPECIFIC CONSENSUS THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE IT SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAD IN FEBRUARY WAS SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL ITEMS TWO THINGS THAT I PICKED UP ON IS SPRINKLER CONVERSATION I THINK WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT ALONG WITH THE ALAMO REVAMP AND WHAT WE REQUIRE UNLESS WE IN A MOMENT UNLESS WE CAN DISTINGUISH WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY APPLY FOR A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT BUT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL BUSINESS COMMERCIAL OPERATION AND THEREFORE IT'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD MOVING FORWARD TO PROVIDE SAFETY HAD MY DRUTHERS I'D BE WITH CHIEF AND I'D SAY EVERYBODY TO SPRINKLER BUT BE THAT AS I MAY AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO PICK UP ON THE TWO THINGS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 3600 SQUARE FOOT I MEAN I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT AT THAT LEVEL.

I'D RATHER SEE IT AND FRANKLY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT APPLY EVERYWHERE.

SO THAT'S MY COMMENT ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT AND WHAT YOU HEARD ARE YOU OKAY WITH 36? I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY CHIEF AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS YOU KNOW ABOUT WHY SHOULD HOMES THAT ARE YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE RENTING A 24 YEAR WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME AND AND AND THEY CLEARLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE 3600 WAS ABOUT YOU KNOW IT'S ABOUT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW IT'S ABOUT WHEN THE CALL OUT HOW MANY PIECES OF EQUIPMENT SHOW UP HOW MANY YOU KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AT THAT STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE. BUT STILL WE NEED PROBABLY THINK ABOUT IT MAY NOT BE TO THAT EXTENT WHERE IT'S AUTOMATIC BUT NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE SMALLER UNITS AND THE SAFETY THE SMALL UNITS. I'LL NOTE THAT WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AS AS WE CRAFT I MEAN MY MY PERSONAL EXAMPLE IS THE ONE THAT I'M GOING TO RELY ON AGAIN, YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN TIME BETWEEN ME WAKING UP GETTING OUTSIDE GETTING A PHONE CALL OUT TO 911 THOSE ARE SECONDS LAST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE THE WE WE DO THAT 30 $600 FOR THAT REASON I UNDERSTAND REASON THAT CHIEF IS SAYING WITH REGARD TO THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED BUT I THINK FOR THAT REASON THE ONE THAT I PRESENTED IT SHOULD BE A LOW ENOUGH ON THE LAST ITEM

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. STAFF ALL HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY PATIENT. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR HOURS COMMITTEE THANK YOU.

I REALIZE THAT WE TAKE A BREAK AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. IT'S MARK.

YOU GOOD? YEAH YEAH. IF WHAT YOU NEED STAFF YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.