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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, TODAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, THREE O'CLOCK.LET'S PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE CLIENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY I JUSTICE LAW.
UM, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, POSTED, AND DISTRIBUTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
MS. BARR? UM, I'D LIKE A MOTION
[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. LAWSON.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JULY 21ST, WHICH WAS OUR LAST EXECUTIVE SET, UM, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.UH, WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THE PACKETS SO THEY'RE APPROVED.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[7. DISCUSSION/PRESENTATION ITEMS]
GOING TO DISCUSS COUNT COUNTY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES.WE'VE DONE A REWRITE, SO IF EVERYONE WANTS TO TURN TO THAT IN THEIR PACKET, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE.
SO, JUST TO RECAP, COUNTY COUNCIL, UH, IS A POLICYMAKING BODY THAT PROVIDES GUIDELINES TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REGARDING HOW THE COUNTY IS TO BE RUN.
COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AUTHORITY ONLY WHEN ACTING TOGETHER AS A BODY OF 11 AND SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE.
AND NO INDIVIDUAL MEMBER HAS INDIVIDUAL AUTHORITY OVER COUNTY OPERATIONS.
AGAIN, THIS COUNCIL IS MADE UP OF 11 ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ACT AS A BODY CHAIRPERSON.
HOWARD, OUR CLERK TO COUNCIL SARAH BROCK AND I REVIEWED THE CURRENT VERSION OF OUR BUFORT COUNTY RULES AND PROCEDURES HANDBOOK.
AND THEN MS. MRS. BROCK OBTAINED SAMPLE HANDBOOKS FROM OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE.
AND ALSO WE LOOKED AT THE MODEL RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE FOR SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
AND NOW WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES.
SO PLEASE, UM, IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT AS WE GO THROUGH, FEEL FREE TO, UH, SAY THAT.
AND ASHLEY'S GOING TO RECORD THOSE CORRECT, ASHLEY, SO WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK.
AND THIS IS YOUR HANDBOOK AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IT'S IS JUST, THIS IS OUR TAKE, ALICE, MYSELF, AND SARAH, BUT IT BELONGS TO ALL OF US.
SO IF YOU GO FORWARD, LET'S SEE WHERE WE START ACTUALLY.
START ON, UH, IT'S PAGE 13 IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH IS FIVE.
IN THE HANDBOOK, YOU'LL SEE THE, IT'S A RED LINE VERSION, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED, WHAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED.
SO WE TOOK OUT THE PREAMBLE THAT'S VERY, UM, NOT STANDARD IN MOST HANDBOOKS, AND WE THOUGHT WAS UNNECESSARY.
THE ETHICAL PRINCIPLES STAYED AS WE KNOW, WE SHOULD ALL BE ETHICAL.
AND THEN COUNTY COUNCIL VALUES WE TOOK OUT THAT IS NOT COMMON THROUGHOUT THE STATE AS WELL.
NOW I'M DOWN TO PAGE 17 IN THE HAND, IN THE HANDOUT, THE PACKET, WHICH IS THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
AND OF COURSE, THAT WILL CHANGE AS WE GO THROUGH.
SO THE FIRST REAL CHANGE COMES ON PACKET, PAGE SIX, PAGE 19, WHERE THERE'S NO SECOND REQUIRED TO NOMINATE THE CHAIR.
WE DID THIS LAST, LAST YEAR, BUT WE FIXED THE HANDBOOK HERE AND NO SECOND IS REQUIRED FOR VICE CHAIR.
WE HAVE, UM, ON PAGE 20 IN THE PACKET, UM, MS. HOWARD DID APPOINT A PARLIAMENTARIAN.
THAT'S MR. BAROLO, COUNCIL MEMBER BARTHOLOMEW.
SO THE LANGUAGE HAS CHANGED TO THE CHAIRMAN SHALL APPOINT ONE MEMBER OF COUNCIL, NOT MAY, BECAUSE WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE A PARLIAMENTARIAN.
AND AGAIN, AS I ANNOUNCED PRIOR TO THIS, MR. BARTHOLOMEW TOOK THE COURSE AND, UH, HE HAS STUDIED IT DRAMATICALLY.
I TOOK THE COURSE, MS. HOWARD TOOK THE COURSE.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE A LITTLE MORE ON BOARD.
SO THERE YOU SEE, IT'S ALL IN RED.
AND MY QUESTION, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE COUNCIL.
MAY, AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, IN ITS DISCRETION, EMPLOY
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THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR A DEFINITE TERM NOT TO EXCEED THE TERM OF THE COUNCIL AS CONSTITUTED.THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMMON PRACTICE.
ANYONE WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN COUNCIL TURNED OVER, WHEN MR. DAWSON, MR. GLOVER AND MR. CUNNINGHAM WERE ELECTED, MR. MOORE HAD A CONTRACT AND IT HAS CONTINUED.
WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT DO THAT TO EXCEED THE TERM OF THE COUNCIL AS IT'S CONSTITUTED.
WHICH MEANS THIS COUNCIL IS CONSTITUTED THROUGH 2026.
CORRECT? THEN WE, EIGHT SEATS ARE UP.
ANYBODY WANNA OPINE ON THAT? TALK ON THAT
I UNDERSTAND NO COUNSEL WANTS TO BIND FUTURE COUNCILS, BUT BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR RUNS JULY TO JULY, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS.
ANYBODY? DO YOU ALL THINK IT SHOULD BE DELETED? OH, NOW'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.
DID YOU EVER SEE EVERYBODY SO QUIET? REALLY? OKAY.
I MEAN, I'M SUGGESTING IT BE DELETED.
I ALSO THREE LINES UP FROM THAT.
IT SAYS THE ADMINISTRATOR NEED NOT BE A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY AT THE TIME OF EMPLOYMENT, BUT I BELIEVE COUNSEL THINKS THEY SHOULD BE A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY AFTER EMPLOYMENT.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDED.
SO NO ONE ELSE AGREED WITH, UM, THAT TERM OF THE COUNCIL HAS CONSTITUTED.
JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE CONTRACT IN AND ITSELF.
AND LET THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT GOVERN THAT.
MR. LAWSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? UM, I AGREE HIM.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING A MOOD.
IF WE DELETE THAT ONE, AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS, YOU KNOW HOW YOU READ SOMETHING 52 TIMES AND YOU FIND A MISTAKE EVERY TIME AFTER, OKAY.
I'M TIRED OF READING THIS ONE, BUT I KEEP FINDING THINGS.
THAT'S, THAT WAS PUT IN FROM PRETTY MUCH SCAC.
THIS IS, THIS IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL.
OKAY? SO I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THERE UNLESS, AND YOU CAN STOP ME ANYTIME IF YOU SEE AN ISSUE.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE PART D THAT EXCEPT FOR PURPOSES OF OFFICIAL COUNSEL INQUIRIES, INVESTIGATIONS, THE COUNCIL SHALL DEAL WITH COUNTY OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THE SUPERVISION OF THE ADMINISTRATOR SOLELY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR.
AND NEITHER THE COUNCIL NOR ANY OF ITS MEMBERS SHALL GIVE ORDERS OR INSTRUCTIONS TO OTHERS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE 22 IN THE PACKET? YOU GUYS ARE BEING VERY EASY TODAY.
UM, ACTUALLY, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO C UHHUH.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT IT'S GOING AWAY TO HEAVEN.
ANYTHING ELSE? LET'S MOVE TO PAGE 23.
YOU'LL NOTICE ON PAGE 23, WE STRUCK THE SENTENCE COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL NOT BE DELAYED DUE TO PORT QUALITY UNLESS THE ISSUE LIES WITH THE COUNTY BROADCAST TEAM.
NOW, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY RULES RIGHT NOW? WE REQUIRE THAT MEMBERS MUST HAVE THEIR VIDEO ON, THEY MUST BE VISIBLE FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE MEETING AND SHALL NOT BE DRIVING, WHICH NOW IS ILLEGAL ANYWAY, BUT, OKAY.
IS IT YOUR PREFERENCE TO LEAVE THAT IN OR REMOVE IT? OKAY.
I TEND TO WANNA LEAVE THAT IN AS WELL.
I'M THE SOUTHLAND STATE LAW REQUIRES US THAT WE CAN'T DRIVE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU'RE ON VIRTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO BE VISIBLE ALL THE TIME? UH, THAT SHOULD APPLY.
MR.
WITH THE VIDEO? YEAH, WITH THE, AND POSSIBLY WHEN
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THAT HAPPENS, IF THE, IF YOU WOULD TEXT THE CLERK TO COUNSEL AND THEN SHE'LL HAVE THAT NOTED.I NORMALLY SCRAMBLED, LET HER KNOW ANYWAY, WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING ON.
YEAH, MAYBE YOU WANNA PUT THAT IN THERE SO EVERYONE KNOWS IF THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES, THEY CAN JUST TEXT YOU AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S FINE.
MR. LAWSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? UH, I'D LEAVE IT IN THERE.
WE DID INCLUDE WORKSHOP SESSIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FROM SCAC? CORRECT.
MS. BROCK, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING WORKSHOP SESSIONS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM.
SO IT BASICALLY EXPLAINS HOW THIS HAPPENS.
AND THE CHAIR CAN CALL THE MEETING.
THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO PRESENT IN-DEPTH INFORMATION, NOT TO TAKE A VOTE.
AND, UM, IT'S SUBJECT TO FOIA.
IT HAS TO BE POSTED AND SUBJECT TO FOIA.
EVERYONE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? I, I WOULD, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS THE, AT LEAST TWO WORKING DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE RAN INTO THAT ISSUE, UH, WITH ONE OF THE OTHER WORKSHOPS.
MAYBE JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT LARGER BUFFER IN THERE FOR SCHEDULING.
I THINK WE DID RUN INTO THAT WITH MAYBE THE, UM, ONE OF THE 78 ONES.
AND AS FAR AS I, I DON'T MAYBE GIVE A WEEK OR SO, LIKE JUST SOME BUFFER TO FIT IT INTO THE SCHEDULE 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING EXTRA.
'CAUSE WE ADOPT THE CALENDAR EACH YEAR, SO WE HAVE AT LEAST A GENERALIZED EXPECTATION.
BUT A WORKSHOP, YOU KNOW, IF THE CHAIR CAN CALL IN AT ANY POINT, AT LEAST GIVEN A LITTLE BIT OF HEADS UP SO PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE.
RIGHT? WHAT'S YEAH, EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCIES.
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE WORKING.
MR. CUNNINGHAM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, AS LONG AS WE HAVE.
SO THOSE ISSUES WILL STILL ARISE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT, BUT EVEN ON AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP THOUGH ON IT.
YOU CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT? NO.
THERE'S NO ACTION TAKING A WORKSHOP.
WHAT'S THE SUGGESTED? UH, AT LEAST HOW MANY DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING? THAT'S TOO FAR AWAY.
I MEAN, WOULD, WOULD FIVE WORKING DAYS BE SUFFICIENT OR DO YOU THINK A LONGER BUFFER FOR A WORKSHOP? LET'S SAY FIVE WORKING DAYS RATHER THAN JUST A WEEK? 'CAUSE A WEEK MEANS SOMETHING ELSE.
EXCEPT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, I THINK IF IT'S JUST IN GENERAL, WHAT THE TOPIC IS GONNA BE.
OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A FULL PACKET? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.
OH, IT WOULD BE JUST THE TOPIC THEN AT FIVE WORKING DAYS.
JUST TO NOTIFY PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 15TH AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
UM, AND SO THEY CAN ARRANGE THEIR CALENDARS.
BUSINESS DAYS, WORK DAYS, HAVE HOLIDAYS DURING THE WORKING DAY.
AND PLUS SOME PEOPLE WORK ON THE WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS.
SOME PEOPLE, I REALLY WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE.
SO WE'RE GONNA SAY BUSINESS DAYS.
JUST TO CLOSE THAT, I MEAN, IN TERMS OF A GENERAL TOPIC, FIVE DAYS IS FINE.
I THINK FIVE WE CALL BUSINESS DAYS.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO POST, WE STILL HAVE THE FOIA REQUIREMENT TO POST THE AGENDA 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE.
WE'VE HAD WORKSHOPS AND WE'VE SCHEDULED 'EM THROUGH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TOO.
SO, UH, HOW DOES THAT, HOW'S THAT? 'CAUSE THIS IS JUST SAYING THE CHAIRMAN, THE CHAIR SHALL CALL WORKSHOPS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT IS, THAT IS THE CHAIR.
WELL, IT SHOULD SAY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SHOULD SAY THE CHAIR OR COMMITTEE CHAIR AND OR COMMITTEE CHAIR.
'CAUSE WHEN WE GET TO BUDGET, THE COMMITTEE CHAIR DOES 'EM FOR SURE.
JUST, JUST A QUESTION WHERE IT SAYS, NOTICE REQUIREMENTS ARE RULE FOUR.
UH, WHERE'S THAT REFERENCING? LIKE WHICH, WHAT DOES IT CITE BACK? IT'S REFERENCING PART OF THE PARLIAMENTARY.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO INCLUDE THE CITATION IN THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF RED LINES THERE.
AND IT'S REPLACED WITH, UM, WHAT'S FROM SCAC? IT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
YOU MAY HOLD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ANY PUR PURPOSE PERMITTED BY FOIA.
IT'S ON MEMBERS OF THE BODY PARTICIPATING.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS YEAR.
A MOTION MUST BE MADE STATING THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO BE HAD SECONDED AND ADOPTED TO GO IN AND MAYBE ENDED BY CONSENSUS OF THE MEMBERS.
WE DON'T TAKE A VOTE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY ACTION, IT COMES OUT AS A MOTION.
SO THAT'S JUST A REFLECTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT.
I'M ON PAGE 26 IN THE PACKET ON DECOR.
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SPEAKING, I AM GOING TO, UH, I'M GOING TO HOLD THIS.IF YOU LOOK IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH, LINE 22 4 5 IN DEBATE, EACH MEMBER HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK TWICE ON THE SAME QUESTION ON THE SAME DAY, AND CAN'T MAKE THE SECOND SPEECH TILL EVERYBODY ELSE TALKS.
AND I AM GOING TO HOLD TO THAT.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK 2, 3, 4 TIMES ROBERT'S RULES AND SEAC SAY, YOU GET TWICE TO DEBATE THE TOPIC HAS TO BE GERMANE TO THE MOTION, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED.
ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT? I I WOULD, I KNOW I'VE PROBABLY BROKEN THIS MYSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY THING IS, IF, IF, IF THIS IS A TOPIC THAT REQUIRES SOME BACK AND FORTH, I, I MEAN, DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES OR DO WE INCORPORATE IN THERE THAT THE CHAIR CAN, CAN RELAX THAT? LIKE WHAT'S THE THE BEST MECHANISM TO DO THAT? BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT REQUIRE MORE DEBATE AND BACK AND FORTH AND Q AND A AND FOLLOW UP.
BUT I WOULD SAY MAYBE THE CHAIR CAN, CAN OPT FOR THAT.
BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS, MR. PARUM, YOU'RE MAKING FIVE TIMES OF COMMENTS AND SHUTTING EVERYBODY ELSE OUT, RIGHT? NO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEMBER OF COMMITTEE OBJECT TO THE CHAIR'S RELAXING THE NO, I MEAN, DO, DO WE WANNA JUST GO BACK TO THE REGULAR PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE OF THEN YOU HAVE YEAH.
RIGHT? I KNOW I JUST HIGHLIGHTED IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS A CHANGE.
AND THEN ALSO, HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
AS FAR AS ENFORCEABILITY, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA CALL THAT AND CHECK? IS THAT ME OR IS THAT THE CHAIR OR CHAIR? THE CHAIR.
IT COULD BE THE CHAIR, BUT IF THE CHAIR DOESN'T DO IT, YOU'RE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
YOU CAN JUMP RIGHT IN POINT OF ORDER.
THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR BIG JOB NOW.
UM, IT'S PUBLIC SPEAKING IS FROM SCAC.
THE MODEL RULES, WE'VE CHANGED IT TO 30 MINUTES.
IT USED TO BE 15 BEFORE 15 AFTER.
SO WE'VE CHANGED IT TO 30 MINUTES.
THIS SIMPLY REFLECTS OUR COMMON PRACTICE.
NOW, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AND IT'S THREE MINUTES LIMITED.
THAT, THAT SAYS MAYBE IT WILL SHALL BE LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO OVER THAT, A MOTION HAS TO BE MADE FROM THE FLOOR.
SO THAT SHOULD BE, SHALL BE LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES.
WHY DO WE SEE IT IN THE, TO EXTEND IT? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT, I MEAN, EVEN THE NATURAL RESOURCES MOST RECENTLY WAS EXTENDED TO 45 MINUTES.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AND THAT WAS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA? YES.
I GUESS THERE, THERE ARE SITUATIONS THOUGH, THAT'LL ARISE.
BUT WE CAN JUST DO IT BY MOTION THEN, OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO IT ON THE AGENDA.
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? UH, I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY WOULD WE DO IT? WHY WOULD WE EXTEND IT FROM 15 TO 30 MINUTES PER, OH, SORRY.
WE HAD TWO SEPARATE 15 MINUTE SECTIONS AND WE COM HUH? SAY THAT AGAIN.
RIGHT? THE ONE AT THE BEGINNING AND THE ONE AT THE END.
IT WAS JUST ONE, ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
OH, I I THOUGHT IT WAS 30 MINUTES UP FRONT THEN 30 MINUTES.
I, I WAS THINKING YOU GUYS ARE GETTING READY TO BRING SOMETHING IN
YOU THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA SNEAK THAT IN ON YOU? NO.
TOOK OUT THE, IT'S TWO THIRDS VOTE.
SO THAT STANDS WELL BACK ON, UH, PAGE 27.
THE CURRENT RULES DON'T ALLOW YOU TO PASS YOUR TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEAK.
DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY? OR DO YOU NOT WANT TO ADDRESS IT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS IT? WHERE ARE YOU? YOU'RE ON PAGE.
NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR COMMENTS.
GIVING OF A SPEAKER'S TIME TO ANOTHER IS NOT ALLOWED.
THERE'S NO E WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? E IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, Y'ALL SAID YOU WERE GONNA TAKE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN.
SPEAKER SHOULD BE PERMITTED NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES TO COMPLETE THEIR COMMENTS TO COUNSEL.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S, OH, GOTCHA.
THAT'S WHAT HE RAISED IS B GOTCHA.
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TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE ABOUT MEMBER ASKED TO PASS THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER? OH, BECAUSE WE HAD IT ABOVE GIVING OF THE SPEAKER'S.TIME ISN'T TO ANOTHER IS NOT ALLOWED.
WE EXPECT THAT ISSUE TO RISE IN TODAY'S MEETING.
SO HOW DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT GOING FORWARD? OKAY.
WHAT'S THE PREFERENCE OF THIS GROUP? EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES.
NOBODY USES A-P-O-A-I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT, WHATEVER TITLE YOU PUT ON.
BUT PERSON'S TIME IS A PERSON'S TIME.
WE HAVE OTHER OUTLETS THAT PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
IF THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING, THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO WRITE IT IN, WHICH YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE DO AND WE'VE READ BEFORE AT THAT REQUEST.
SO, MR. TOON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I I THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT IT.
THREE, THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
ONE PERSON TO GIVE THERE THREE MINUTES TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST IF COUNSEL WROTE THAT INTO THE RULES, UH, TO WHERE IT WAS CLEAR AND YET HAD A RULE TO RELY UPON.
TAKE THAT E THAT C AND PUT IT BACK IN ABOVE.
REALISTICALLY, WE COULD HAVE EVEN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAME IN.
WE COULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE COME IN FOR ONE TOPIC AND ALL THREE OF THEM TURN THEIR TIME OVER TO SOMEBODY'S LAWYER AND THEIR LAWYER GET 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
DAVID, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, IT'S A RUM.
I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL LIMITING THE TIME THAT IS ALLOCATED TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH, I, I DO THINK I'VE, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I THINK A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
'CAUSE THERE THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING.
SOMEBODY MAY BE INCAPACITATED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THAT THAT REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE SOMEBODY SPEAK FOR 'EM.
AND WHAT ABOUT THIS FOR A, A THOUGHT? UNLESS AND UNTIL EVERYONE ELSE WAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THAT A CHANCE TO SPEAK THEN YOU COULD LET THEM, UH, SPEAK FOR SOMEONE ELSE? I KINDA LIKE THAT ONE.
IF THERE'S EXTRA TIME, THE PERSON CAN SPEAK AGAIN.
MR. LAWSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW A SPEAKER TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIME WHEN WE SHOW UP AND THERE'S NOBODY TO SPEAK.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO SPEAK 15 MINUTES, SPEAK ALL 30 MINUTES BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME SIGN UP AND SAY, LET ME SPEAK FOR YOU.
OKAY, I'LL SIGN UP AND SPEAK MORE.
BUT YOUR PREFERENCE IS THREE MINUTES FLAT TAKING NO OTHER TIME.
MR. BAROLO, YOU AND I STILL THINK CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I THINK I CAN, YEAH, I THINK THE CASE.
BUT REMEMBER, SOMEBODY CAN ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION FROM THE DIOCESE SUSPEND THE RULES TO SUSPEND THE RULES.
ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH I'M GOOD WITH THE THREE MINUTES.
NO OTHER TIME? NO, NO OTHER TIME.
'CAUSE ANOTHER TIME, I, I DO THINK THAT IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE AFTER THE 30 MINUTES, I THINK THAT COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE IF IT IS A MEDICAL REASON THAT THEY COULDN'T SPEAK AND YOU SAY, OH, YOU CAN BE THE LAST ONE TO SPEAK, THAT'S ALMOST A DISADVANTAGE TO THAT PERSON ON TOP OF A ALREADY DISADVANTAGE.
SO I WOULD THINK IT WOULD STILL GO IN THE FORM OF THE SIGNUP IF IT IS GONNA BE ON CASE ON CASE BASIS.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT DONE BY THE CHAIRMAN OR IS THAT DONE BY A VOTE? THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE AS WELL.
'CAUSE JUST IF ONE PERSON ON COUNTY COUNCIL SAYS, I BELIEVE THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR NINE MINUTES AND THE REST OF US DISAGREE, IT'S NOT GONNA HA IT'S BY, UM, A VOTE OF THE GROUP.
IF THAT IS GONNA BE THE WAY WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DICTATE THAT.
BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES ONE OF US TO SAY NO, I THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR ALL THREE.
IT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION AND THEN WE WOULD UP IT OR DOWN IT UP.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WANNA PUT UH, E BACK IN? IT WAS CIII CAN'T READ.
IT'S E YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOW E NEVERMIND.
ASHLEY, YOU GOT THAT RIGHT? I PUT IT BACK IN E.
SO ARE WE CLEAR OF PAGE 27 THEN? UH, MR. REAL QUICK QUESTION.
JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE'VE OPERATED IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, THE DISADVANTAGE TO BEING THE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.
IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP FIRST AND THEY 10 PEOPLE SIGN UP AT ALL THE SAME OPINION, WE THEN DON'T HEAR FROM ANYONE FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
BECAUSE, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, FIRST WE HAD A PRO, IF YOU REMEMBER WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE SHOWING UP FIRST AND THEN SIGN IN OTHER PEOPLE'S NAMES.
AND WE, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT ANYMORE.
SO IT'S THE ORDER YOU SIGN IN AND THAT, THAT IT MAY HAPPEN THAT WAY SOMETIMES, RIGHT? NO, WE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT REALLY.
OR DOES IT SAY THEY HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN YOUR RULES.
HILTON HAS GOT THAT IN THEIR ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO TO MY RULES.
MY RULE THING, IF YOU PUT IT IN THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT, THEN YOU
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HAVE TO PROVE YOU'RE A RESIDENT.I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I WANNA DO THAT STUFF.
PUT IT BACK ON STAFF, YOU GUYS.
NO, I, THEY SHOW AN ID TO BUY ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE, BUT THEY SAY THEY ARE SIGNING UP PICK TO PAY MY TAXES TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS COUNTY.
BUT WE, WHAT WE HAD WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE SOMEONE SIGNED UP FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
SO IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION COUNTIES ONE, ONE SIGN IN.
WHETHER YOU IN YOUR NAME OR IF YOU WANNA USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S NAME, YOU ONLY GET SIGNED ONE ONE LINE TO GIVE THE EXAMPLE.
UH, CITIZEN X UH, SHOWS UP AND DOESN'T WANNA SPEAK, BUT KNOWS THAT CITIZEN Y WANTS TO SPEAK.
SO THEY SIGNED CITIZEN Y'S NAME TO SPEAK.
UH, AND THAT'S NOT CITIZEN Y SIGNING IN.
THEY HAD SOMEONE SIGN UP FOR FOUR PEOPLE AHEAD.
THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING AS FAR IT WANNA TAKE A STEP SECOND.
OR IF YOU'RE NOT CHECKING ID, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON'S ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE CHECK ID.
AND UNDER OUR CURRENT RULES, WE CAN'T.
BUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, JUST YOU WANT THE PERSON SPEAKING TO, DO YOU WANT THE PERSON SPEAKING HAVE TO SIGN IN OR NOT? THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON WHO SAYS HIS NAME IS A CERTAIN NAME AND THAT IS NOT HIS LEGAL NAME.
NO, THEY JUST, THEY MAY NOT EVEN SAY ANYTHING.
THEY JUST WRITE SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME DOWN BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WANT, HE WRITES A FALSE NAME DOWN WHEN HE, WHEN HE SPEAKS.
IT'S JUST ON BEHALF OF SO AND SO.
WELL ASHLEY PEOPLE SIGN IN IN FRONT OF HER AND SHE COULD SAY, ARE YOU REALLY, MS. TABER? I GUESS YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS IT, I'M FINE.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT IF YOU WANT TO FIRST COME FIRST SERVE, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK IS THE ONE SIGNING THEIR NAME.
SIR, DO YOU WANNA TAKE A STEP TO ENSURE THAT IS ALL I'M ASKING.
UH, I JUST DON'T WANNA PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON OUR STAFF TO HAVE TO SIT THERE AND ASK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR ID.
UM, NOT EVERYONE MAY COME HERE WITH AN ID, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE DEALINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANYONE LIE AND SAY THEY WERE SOMEONE THEY WEREN'T.
CAN WE LEAVE THAT ONE GO? I DO NOT.
DO YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT? ALL RIGHT.
THE AGENDA, THE SECTION ON THE AGENDA THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 28 IN THE PACKET.
THIS IS UPDATED FROM SCAC AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT ON PAGE 29 THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY SUBMIT MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION BY FULL COUNSEL BY PROVIDING THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION AT LEAST SEVEN CALENDAR DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO EVERYBODY? THEY CAN'T DO IT THE DAY BEFORE AND THE CHAIR HAS THE DISCRETION TO DETERMINE IF IT'S ON OR NOT.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT SECTION? DO WE NEED TO ADD CHAIR OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND A, OH HOLD ON YOUR LAST SENTENCE THERE SAYS THE CHAIR OF COUNTY COUNCIL HAS THE SOLE DISCRETION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT AN ITEM AS SUBMITTED MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THESE RULES.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN SAYING, HAS THE SOLE DISCRETION DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA? AND THIS IS ONLY FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
THIS IS NOT COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
WELL, YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME RULE FOR COMMITTEE.
YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE CLEAR WHO'S GOT THE AUTHORITY TO ENSURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
AND RIGHT NOW, THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
UNLESS SOMEBODY OBJECTS TO THAT.
WHAT'S SAY YOU GUYS? WELL, I AGREE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE CHAIR MAKES THE FINAL DECISION.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE THAT BRINGS UP SOMETHING SEVEN DAYS EARLIER THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE WANT TO, YEAH, NOT EVEN.
YOU WANNA ADD CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEE WORDING TOO? I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNDER COMMITTEES.
THAT'S FARTHER DOWN, ISN'T IT? COMMITTEES.
SO YOU WANT THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA FOR HIS COMMITTEE OR HER COMMITTEE.
AND YOU WANT THE CHAIR DETERMINE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR COUNCIL.
I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO COMMITTEES, SINCE THE CHAIR SITS THERE AS WELL, THEY WEIGH IN WITH THE CON THE COMMITTEE CHAIR.
I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADD THAT LANGUAGE TO THAT, UH, PARAGRAPH AT THE END THERE.
IF IT'S RECENTLY THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT WHERE THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE WASN'T NOTIFIED.
SO IF THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA OPERATE, WELL I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM ADDING IT IN.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, SO THIS SHOULD SAY AGENDA FOR COUNCIL
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AND ANY COUNCIL MEETING, WHETHER IT BE A WORKSHOP, SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING OR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.THE CHAIR OF COUNCIL HAS A, THE, UH, AUTHORITY S THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE HAS THAT AUTHORITY FOR ANY SUCH MEETING.
ON THE MATTERS NOT WITHIN COUNCIL'S JURISDICTION.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LAST SENTENCE MEANS? 'CAUSE I'M A BIT CONFUSED.
COUNCIL MAY ENTERTAIN REQUESTS THAT IT MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL BODIES, DEPARTMENTS, OR AGENCIES.
BEFORE WE TAKE THAT UP, CAN WE ACTUALLY GO BACK UP TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH? YEAH.
UH, I, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET THIS INFORMATION SOONER? INSTEAD OF HAVING A WEEKEND TO DIGEST IT, IT SAYS AGENDA PACKETS ARE PREPARED AND DISTRIBUTED ON THE FRIDAY IMMEDIATELY PROCEEDING THE COUNCIL MEETING BACKUP INFORMATION.
AND A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM SHALL BE ENCLOSED IN THE, I DUNNO ABOUT Y'ALL, BUT JUST IT IS A STRUGGLE SOMETIME TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING IN SO AT, AT PRESENT, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS.
THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE ACAS HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN BY TUESDAY OF THE, THAT WEEK.
THE AGENDA REVIEWS ON WEDNESDAY, THE CLERK TO COUNSEL IN HER OFFICE THEN HAS TO GET IT FORMATTED AND PREPARED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT ANY SOONER HAVING LIVED THROUGH THIS NOW.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT TIME SHORTER.
I, I SUGGESTED THIS BEFORE WHEN WE, EVERY YEAR WHEN WE TAKE OUR BREAK IN JULY, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THINGS BACK ON TRACK AND GIVE MORE TIME AND BUFFER IN THERE.
SO I THINK IT'S A DISADVANTAGE TO THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT'S A DIS TO HAVE THAT MATERIAL AHEAD OF TIME AND ACTUALLY DIGEST IT AND, AND REVIEW IT MORE THOROUGH.
I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, BUT I'M, I'M HUMAN.
I I CAN'T DIGEST A THOUSAND PAGE PACKET IN A WEEKEND.
SO YOU WOULD SUGGEST YOU RECEIVE IT WHEN, I MEAN, AT LEAST A WEEK PRIOR.
THAT'LL LIMIT WHAT GOES ON THE AGENDA THEN, BECAUSE IT HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THE SAME ISSUES, BUT YEAH, I THINK LOGISTICALLY IT WOULD REALLY ONLY LIMIT WHAT GOES ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME.
'CAUSE AFTER THAT YOU START TO ADJUST SCHEDULES AND WE START TO PLAN A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME THINGS THAT COULD COME UP IN THAT WEEK THAT SPAN, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT AGENDA CAN BE DONE AND APPROVED A WEEK PRIOR.
THE RESPONSIBILITY STARTS WITH YOUR GROUP.
YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY, EXCUSE ME, IF SOMETHING'S BEEN THROUGH COMMITTEE, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN GET IT ON EARLIER.
'CAUSE WE DO RIGHT NOW HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPICALLY THREE WEEKS BETWEEN A COMMITTEE ITEM AND COUNCIL.
SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A FULLY PUBLISHED AGENDA OR JUST KINDA WHAT WE'VE GOT AT THAT POINT? I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE WITH, WITH GETTING EVEN JUST A DRAFT AGENDA EARLIER.
WHAT IF IT'S LIKE A DRAFT? SO WE CAN, YOU CAN, INSTEAD OF A THOUSAND PAGES, SO ONLY 250, THE UNKNOWN OF THE ONE MEETING THAT YOU MISSED OR THE ONE ITEM.
RIGHT? I THINK WE COULD GET A DRAFT TO YOU ALL AND THERE MAY BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT COMES UP IN THAT INTERVENING WEEK.
ARE YOU GONNA COME? TOTALLY FINE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE A BURDEN ON ANYBODY, BUT IT, IT IS A BURDEN ON US TO HAVE TO, YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE AGENDAS FOR THE COMMITTEES.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE FIR UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WHERE WE GET JIM DAY OF AND THE DAY BEFORE THE AGENDA REVIEW TRYING TO REVIEW ALL THIS STUFF.
UH, BECAUSE THEY GET INTO US AS FAR AS THE REVIEW PROCESS, WE DID TRY TO, UH, START IT TO WHERE IT HAD TO BE IN AND WE DID THE AGENDA REVIEW EARLIER THIS DAY AND IT HAD TO BE IN AND DONE.
AND THAT WASN'T WORK STAFF ADJUSTED TO THEIR, SO IF THE ADMINISTRATOR'S WILLING, WE CAN START TO IMPOSE THOSE DEADLINES TO TRY TO GET IT TO YOU LIKE BY THURSDAY MORNING MAYBE.
'CAUSE AFTER YOUR AGENDA REVIEW, IF IT'S REQUIRED, NO CHANGES.
WHEN YOU COME TO AGENDA REVIEW, THAT'S FINALIZED AND THAT'S THE AGENDA GOING TO COUNCIL.
UM, WE'VE GOT THAT NIGHT TO MAKE ANY LAST MINUTE CHANGES.
AND THEN THURSDAY MORNING IT GETS TO YOU.
THAT AT LEAST GIVES YOU A FOUR DAY WEEKEND TO LOOK AT IT.
IT'S STILL A PRETTY, PRETTY TIGHT PACK.
BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HALF HOW FAR BACK YOU WANNA PUSH STAFF TO GETTING THAT.
UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY BACKED UP LIKE THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE, UH, MEETING, UH, STARTING THE PROCESS TO GET US THROUGH.
BUT EVERYBODY'S GOT TO REVIEW IT ON THE CHAIN GOING ALONG IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
AND THEN TRYING TO WORK IT INTO THEIR SCHEDULES TO GET THE REVIEW DONE IS WHAT A LARGE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS AS FAR AS THEIR AVAILABILITY.
AND THE NEXT PERSON IN THE CHAIN CAN'T REVIEW IT TO THE ONE BEFORE THEM HAS REVIEWED IT.
AND I GET THE LOGISTICS ON IT.
LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST ONE PERSON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW LOGAN, CHIME DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS THE SAME CONCERNS OR NOT, BUT TELL YOU
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THAT I THINK THE ADMINISTRATOR MIGHT AND I BOTH WOULD LOVE NOT TO BE JAMMED THE DAY BEFORE AGENDA REVIEW OR THE DAY OF AGENDA REVIEW TRYING TO GET THIS STUFF, UH, READY TO GO.YOU KNOW, ONE COMMENT IS OUR NEW SYSTEM HAS, I THINK IT PROVED OUR, OUR PROCESS WITH, UH, CIVIC PLUS.
I THINK THE CLERK WOULD ATTEST TO THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'RE WILLING TO, TO GIVE IT A TRY.
I I JUST THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA PUT US IN A BIND AT TIMES AND THINGS ARE JUST GONNA HAVE TO SLIDE.
UH, IF THEY CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T MAKE THESE HARD DEADLINES, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS, IS IT A WEEK THEN YOU WANT TO DRAFT AND REALLY NOTHING ELSE CAN GET ON AFTER THAT.
JUST RECENTLY WENT FROM THREE MONDAYS A MONTH OR TWO MONDAYS A MONTH WHERE WE HAD THE MEETINGS, UH, NOW FOUR MONDAYS.
I MEAN, SO YOU'VE SPREAD STAFF OUT TO WHERE THEY'RE SPLIT TRYING TO GET MONDAYS READY.
SO IT'S EVERY WEEK THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS WITH OCCASIONALLY A WEEK OFF.
UH, SO I MEAN F IS JAMMED ALL THE MORE OFTEN TRYING TO FIT THIS INTO THE SCHEDULE.
GOOD, GOOD POINT ON THAT FRONT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYTHING MORE DIFFICULT.
I'M JUST AIRING THAT CONCERN I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET DONE FOR THREE YEARS.
WE PROBABLY JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, KNOWING WITH FINANCE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNCIL UM, AGENDAS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COMMITTEE AGENDAS THAT SOMETIMES THINGS COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET 'EM ON THAT WAY YOU CAN KEEP GOVERNMENT MOVING AND THINGS HAPPENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE, YES, IT IS DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.
OTHER TIMES IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, I WOULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.
HOWEVER, IF PEOPLE WANNA CHANGE IT, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AGAINST THAT.
WE COULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT TAKE ANY LATE ENTRIES.
THAT'S SOMETIMES WHERE YOU ALL GET JAMMED UP AND WE GET JAMMED UP AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
BUT THAT'S SOMETIMES THE PROBLEM.
BUT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST, I I WOULD SAY IF WE COULD LET MR. ATKINSON MAYBE MAKE A COMMENT.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING ISSUES THAT COME UP AND THIS COULD IMPACT THOSE AS WELL.
SO IT'S JUST A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.
ARE THERE PARTICULAR TYPES OF ITEMS THAT YOU NEED HIGHER LEAD TIMES ON? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH THE REALLY COMPLEX ITEMS THAT COME THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, WHICH IS WELL IN ADVANCE OF ANY COMMITTEE MEETING.
IF WE GET TOO MUCH OF A LEAD TIME BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE FOLLOWING MONTHS OR EVEN THE NEXT MONTHS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE, IT COULD INCREASE MANY WEEKS, UM, TO GET 'EM IN IN ADVANCE.
SO BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS PASSED AT PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY FOR STAFF WHICH ONES WE'RE HAVING ISSUE WITH, NOT JUST THE BIG PACKET, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S MORE SPECIFICITY TO IT, WE COULD PROBABLY HELP WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE I KNOW THE CONTRACTS ARE VOLUMES TO REVIEW.
NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA REVIEW 'EM, BUT YOU GET KIND OF NUMB TO 'EM.
SO MAYBE IF EACH COUNCIL MEMBER COULD BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, LESS, MAYBE NOT LESS OF, BUT IN ADVANCE.
I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DO READ THOSE CONTRACTS AND YEAH.
MR. DAWSON, ANYTHING ON YOU? NO, I WAS, I WAS TELLING, UH, LOGAN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ON THE, I I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE, THE, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE STRESS THAT WE PUT ON OUR STAFF TRYING TO GET THIS BY THE, IN MY OPINION, IF WE TRY TO EXTEND IT ANY FURTHER OUT FOR THEM, THEN WE WE'RE JUST COMPRESSING THEM TO, OF A YEAR.
I, I, I THINK THEY'LL BE BURNOUT.
THAT'S WHY WE INSTITUTED AT THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UH, FROM JU FIRST THREE WEEKS IN JULY.
WE TAKE A BREAK GIVEN OUR STAFF BUDGET CHECK AND THEN BEFORE WE START THE NEXT, ALL THAT CAME ABOUT, BUT ALL PROBABLY WEREN'T PRIVY TO THAT AND US TO MAKE THIS CHANGE NOW.
AND I THINK ANY OTHER COMMENT, MR. CUNNINGHAM?
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HAVE YOU SEEN IT MR. MOORE, WHERE THEY, THEY GET A DRAFT AGENDA COUNCIL? NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT OBVIOUSLY.UM, AND WHERE I WAS BEFORE, WE TYPICALLY WERE ON THE SAME KIND OF SCHEDULE.
COUNCIL WOULD TYPICALLY GET AN AGENDA THURSDAY OR FRIDAY BEFORE A MEETING.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE TYPICALLY SEEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN DIFFERENT NO.
AND IF YOU START PIECEMEALING THINGS OUT, UH, THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO WHERE THINGS ARE MIXED UP AND EVERYTHING.
MR. BERT, YOU ANYTHING ELSE? NAH, IT'S JUST, THERE'S, DON'T CHANGE MR. GLASSON.
THAT WILL STAND REQUEST FOR AGENDA TIME.
RIGHT? A PERSON HAS, THEY HAVE TO TELL US BY 5:00 PM TUESDAY.
THE NEXT CHANGE COMES UNDER, UM, APPOINTMENTS, AGENCIES, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS.
THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW ALL COUNCIL INTER AND WE WILL INTERVIEW REQUESTS AT OUR REQUEST.
WE'LL INTERVIEW PEOPLE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
ONE IMPORTANT PO POINT ABOUT REQUESTS FOR AGENDA TIME.
WE'VE HAD TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE RECENTLY NOT BRING THEIR BACKUP MATERIAL UNTIL THEY GET TO THE MEETING.
AND IF THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT, THEY NEED TO GET IT OR, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA LET 'EM.
I'M, I'M GONNA BE FIRM ON THAT.
THEY WILL NOT BACKUP MATERIAL.
WE HAD THAT HAPPEN DURING, UM, THE, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE BACKUP MATERIAL TO STAFF AS WELL.
IT SAYS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, COUNTY CLERK.
IN OTHER WORDS, EVERYBODY PRESENTING NEEDS TO HAVE IT IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION HAD TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE WOULD INTERVIEW CANDIDATES FOR VARIOUS POSITIONS.
WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT WITH THE ATAC.
WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND YOU'LL NOTICE WE CANCELED ON PAGE 32.
TOOK OUT ALL THAT REPRESENTATION STUFF.
IT'S GONNA BE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE POSITION BACK ON THE PAGE 31.
SO YOU WANNA MANDATE THAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE INTERVIEW ALL APPLICANTS.
IT SAYS SHALL REVIEW ALL APPLICATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY USUALLY.
UM, THIS IS PAGE 34 PRESENTATIONS AND PETITIONS.
WHAT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME? IT'S A 10 MINUTES PER PRESENTATION.
THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT IT IN ADVANCE.
THEY CAN'T VEER OFF THE TOPIC.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT BIT OF AN ISSUE.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? WE TRIED TO TIGHTEN THAT UP.
I MEAN, AND I JUST LIKE YOU SAID THOUGH, I THINK THE MATERIAL SHOULD BE GIVEN TO OUR STAFF BY, IF WE, IF WE'RE REQUESTING IT BY FRIDAY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT INTO YOU GUYS PRIOR TO THAT.
I MEAN, JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE HAVE A DEADLINE, THEY SHOULD HAVE A DEADLINE TOO.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE BRINGING THE MATERIAL TO SARAH THE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THEY'RE ABOUT TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
YEAH, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE WHAT HAPPENED TO US LAST TIME.
IT, THEY SHOULD PRESENT THE MATERIALS BEFORE THE FRIDAY BEFORE AND THEY NEED TO STICK TO THE TOPIC OR THEIR TIME IS ENDED.
WE HAVE WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME.
I'M GONNA KEEP US MOVING 'CAUSE WE'RE DOWN TO 15 MINUTES.
WE HAVE, UH, STA SCHEDULE MEETINGS AND ASSIGNMENTS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL CAN ATTEND ANY COMMITTEE MEETING AND IF YOU'RE NOT A COMMITTEE MEMBER, YOU STILL CAN VOTE.
AND THIS IS HOW YOU GET ASSIGNED TO A COMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S STANDARD WHAT WE DID.
I'M ON PAGE 38 ORDINANCES AND WE'VE AGAIN ADOPTED SCAC MODEL RULES.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE RED LINE AND TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, REQUIRED BY THE HOME RULE ACT.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE REASONS FOR THOSE ON 39 OR FOUR.
IF YOU SEE 40, IT SAYS NOTICE FOR ITEM SEVEN MUST BE PROVIDED ONCE A WEEK FOR THREE SUCCESSIVE WEEKS AND SO ON.
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AND SO ON.THE REST OF THIS ON 40, WE'VE HAD, THAT'S NOTHING NEW THERE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY PAGES HERE.
ALL MY, THIS IS, UH, AN ADDITION.
AND THIS IS FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
ALL MILEAGE CLAIMS MUST BE SUBMITTED WITHIN 30 DAYS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
YOU CANNOT SUBMIT YOUR MILEAGE DECEMBER 20TH FOR THE YEAR.
UM, ONE OF THE COUNSEL CLERK OFFICE SENDS OUT AN EMAIL AND YOU RESPOND WITH YOUR MILEAGE.
I I JUST HAVE TO SAY, IS THERE A WAY TO DO QUARTERLY ON THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT'S TOUGH FOR ME SOMETIMES EVEN TO, TO DO A MONTH.
I'M GONNA ASK THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT THAT QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE MILEAGE REIMBURSEMENT CLAIMS. IT SAYS SUBMIT IT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF ELIGIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT.
I TYPICALLY DON'T SUBMIT TOO MANY OF THEM.
BUT DO WHAT?
I MEAN, IF IT'S ALREADY A POLICY FOR 30 DAYS, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T REALLY DO TOO MANY OF ANYWAY, BUT OKAY, SO THIS WILL STAND.
AND THEN THERE WAS ADDITIONAL EXPENSES.
WE CHANGED THE WORD TAXI TO ADDITIONAL.
SO WE WILL HAVE, UH, ASHLEY WILL UPDATE YOUR COMMENTS.
THIS NOW GOES TO THE FINANCE ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE AND THEN IT GOES TO FULL COUNCIL AND CHAIR.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE THING AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW WE GOT SURE.
BUT GOING BACK TO CHAPTER FOUR WITH THE AD, THE STANDING COMMITTEES AND AD HOC, UH, WE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER, BUT ARE WE OKAY WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S NOT ON THE COMMITTEE BEING ABLE TO VOTE VERSUS WELL, WE DECIDED THAT LAST YEAR.
I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANNA CHANGE IT SPEAK, I MEAN, I I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD AN OPINION ON THAT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ATTENDING AND DISCUSSING VERSUS THE VOTING ASPECT.
IF YOU'RE NOT ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND YOU COME, SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THE ITEM? THAT'S HIS QUESTION.
I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR COUNCILMAN DAWSON'S OPINION.
'CAUSE HE REMEMBERS IT BEING THE OTHER WAY.
WELL, WELL THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE AND THEN THERE'S A DISADVANTAGE IN MY OPINION, ADVANTAGE.
WELL, THE ADVANTAGE IS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, HAVE ALL THE DETAILED INFORMATION.
THEY, UM, DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS ON MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON THAT COMMITTEE.
WE COME IN AND WE, WE ARE HEARING SOMETIME FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU ALL PACK IT AND EVERYTHING.
WE'RE HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
YOU ALSO GET TO WAIT AND ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN VOTE ALSO.
I MEAN WHATEVER, WHATEVER COMING IN.
MY BIGGEST FEAR IS YOU CAN STONEWALL SOMETHING.
SO IF A COMMITTEE, A GROUP OF SIX OF US, SEVEN OF US CAN DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF THE 11TH WHEN WE ALL GOT VOTED TO REPRESENT ALL OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO THAT'S MY OWN ONLY DOWNFALL.
SO WHEN I FIRST GOT ON, I BELIEVE YOU THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, AND, AND TO ME, LIKE ONE, YOU GO TO THE MEETING JUST FOR THE INFORMATION, THAT'S GREAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THE DIALOGUE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE SHOT DOWN IN THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD'VE PASSED ON THE COUNCIL FLOOR.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS VOTING.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TO EVERY COMMITTEE MEETING.
IF YOU'RE NOT ON IT, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE HERE.
IF YOU'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE, YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT.
UM, IF YOU COME AND IT'S NOT YOUR COMMITTEE AND YOU'VE TAKEN THAT TIME, I BELIEVE WE'VE EARNED THAT RIGHT TO VOTE WHEN WE GOT VOTED ON COUNTY COUNCIL.
I, I AGREE WITH UM, LOGAN, I THINK THAT EVERYONE THAT SHOWS UP SHOULD VOTE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN QUICKER AND FASTER IS BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS GET VETTED THAN IN THE COUNCIL, IN THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO WAIT.
I REMEMBER PREVIOUS TO THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE SAME ARGUMENTS HAPPEN AGAIN.
UM, THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN COMMITTEE DURING A COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, AND I THINK IF YOU MADE IT THAT IT WAS ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD VOTE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE LESS PEOPLE SHOW UP AT MEETINGS AND YOU'D BE THEN HAVING FEWER PEOPLE OR HAVE FEWER COUNCIL PEOPLE AT THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
WELL JUST, I'VE WATCHED OTHER, OUR MUNICIPALITIES, THEY ONLY VOTE IF THEY'RE ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND IF YOU SHOW UP AND YOU'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU DON'T SIT ON THE DAAS.
THAT'S WHAT THE MUNICIPALITY, SOME OF THEM DO.
I HAVEN'T WATCHED PORT ROYAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO.
I JUST KNOW BLUFFTON AND HILTON HEAD.
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WHAT MR. CUNNINGHAM'S TALKING ABOUT.IF YOU HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE SITTING ON THERE, WE COULD STOP SOMETHING RIGHT THEN.
AND SO IT'S REALLY NOT EQUITABLE.
SO IF SO WE COULD MAKE IT SO THAT IF YOU'RE NOT ASSIGNED TO THE COMMITTEE, YOU COME, BUT YOU'RE NOT SITTING IN THE DAAS.
YOU CAN HEAR, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT TIED TO ANY, ANY ONE WAY IN PARTICULAR.
I JUST KNOW I'VE HEARD DISCUSSION, UM, IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT THAT.
AND I WANT TO JUST GET COUNCIL MEMBER'S FEEDBACK ON IT RATHER THAN SKIPPING OVER IT.
ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT A COMMITTEE COULD KILL, POTENTIALLY WOULD BE A CONTRACT WITHIN THEIR DELEGATED AUTHORITY.
EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
WELL WE WILL PUT THAT, THAT'LL BE AN ITEM WE DISCUSSED WITH FINANCE COMMITTEE.
BUT I JUST ASK A QUESTION YOU KEEP REFERRING TO, YOU'VE ADOPTED THE SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY RULE MODEL RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
BUT UH, IT, WE STILL SEE THAT THERE'RE, UH, FOLLOWING ROBERT'S RULES.
WHERE ARE WE ADOPTING SOUTH CAROLINA'S RULES? UH, THAT HAS TO BE IN THERE.
WHAT PAGE IS IT? 28 OF THE HANDBOOK.
LET ME GO TO THE PAGE 28 'CAUSE IT'S NOT 28 IN OUR PACKET.
PARAGRAPH F PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
YEAH, IT SHOULD SEE IT, IT SHOULD SAY SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AS WELL, WHICH TAKES PRECEDENCE.
SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, ROBERTS RULES IS ON THE BOTTOM AND THAT'S WHAT PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE TOLD US TOO.
THE STATE AND THEN THE COUNTY AND THEN, UH, YOUR LOCAL AND THEN ROBERT'S RULES BY DEFAULT IF NOTHING ELSE IS THERE.
'CAUSE RO ROBERT'S RULES ISN'T ALWAYS APPLICABLE TO RIGHT.
SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS FIRST WILL BE YOUR MODEL, YOUR YOUR OWN RULES PROCEDURE.
SECOND WOULD BE THE COUNTY'S MODEL RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
THIRD WOULD BE ROBERT'S RULES.
THE LAST THING BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE IS A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PURPOSE OF THE ITEM IS TO INITIATE DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER TO IMPLEMENT THIS NDA AS A TOOL TO STRENGTHEN CONFIDENTIALITY PRACTICES.
AND YOU CAN READ IT, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD AND IT'S USED IN A NUMBER OF COUNCILS ACROSS THE STATE.
ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING AN NDA TO DISCUSS? I WOULD SAY NOTHING, MR. CUNNINGHAM.
I MEAN, GENERALLY IF IT'S CONFIDENTIAL, IT SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSED.
AND THIS SIMPLY SAYS YOU AGREE TO THAT.
MR. UM, SO WHAT IF SOMEONE DECIDES THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIGN IT? DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T HEAR THE INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL.
YEAH, THAT'S SO THEN THE WHOLE THING'S POINTLESS PARLIAMENTARIAN.
I I ACTUALLY HAVE TO AGREE WITH LOGAN ON THAT ONE.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN ENFORCEABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, IT'S JUST A OKAY, WELL WE'LL BRING IT UP AT FINANCE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
THE LAST THING, DON'T EMAIL BACK.
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OUR AGENDA, OUR MEMBERS TO, UH, THE LOW COUNTRY BOARD WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BOARD, YOU HAVE DARWIN CLEVELAND, JULIE WASHINGTON, AND QUIN GRANT.AND WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT, UM, TO REAPPOINT THEM TO TERMS FROM JULY 25 TILL JUNE 28.
THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THE HANDBOOK OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT.
UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT UNDER THIS BOARD'S PURVIEW OR UNDER THIS.
AND ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND MR. DAWSON.
SO THAT ENDS THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
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BC TV.I'M AT CAMPBELL AND THIS IS BEAUFORD COUNTY MOMENTS.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FOOD TODAY.
THE FOOD HAS BEEN A GREAT PART OF OUR LIFE IN TERMS OF GATHERING FOOD AND PREPARING THEM.
OUR FOOD IS BASED ON THE LAND AND THE SEA.
THE LAND FOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN RICE.
WE DON'T FEEL WE HAVE EATEN DINNER UNLESS WE'VE HAD RICE.
RICE WAS MIXED WITH VARIOUS ITEMS FROM THE SEA, LIKE OYSTERS OR SHRIMP.
AND WHEN THEY COOKED WITH RICE IN ONE POT, WE CALL IT A RICE OR SHRIMP OR AN OYSTER PERLOW.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE WATERMELONS AND THE SWEET POTATOES.
SWEET POTATOES WAS ALWAYS EATEN WITH FISH AND FRESH FISH WITH GRAVY AND A SWEET POTATO.
OKRA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FOOD WAYS.
WE, WE, WE RAISE THEM AS WELL AS WE PREPARE THEM WITH SHRIMP AND TOMATOES.
AND SOME PEOPLE WOULD CALL THAT A GUMBO.
AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
AND SO ENJOY THE FOOD OF THE LOW COUNTRY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN VERY MUCH A PART OF OUR HISTORY.
THIS HAS BEEN YOUR BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
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