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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
ORDER FOR THE SEPTEMBER HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING.WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 6:00 PM CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN EVAN GOODWIN.
COUNCIL CHAIRMAN JOE DE FALL HERE.
COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER HERE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST AS WRITTEN.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?
[V. PUBLIC COMMENT]
YES.I'M WITH THE HISTORIC BLUFFTON FOUNDATION.
UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO ELABORATE ON OUR STATEMENT MADE IN THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT SUPPORTING THE DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC BROWN COTTAGE AT 34 THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.
AS ADVOCATES FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WE NEVER WANNA SEE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE LOST.
WE WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IDEALIZES THE END RESULT OF A RESTORED HISTORIC PROPERTY.
BEYOND THE FINANCIAL BURDEN AND EXTRA HURDLES, THE SOCIAL VALUE OF THIS PRECIOUS RESTORED PROPERTY IS FAR GREATER THAN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT INVESTED.
ONLY ONCE ALL OTHER OPTIONS HAVE BEEN EXAMINED BY PROFESSIONALS WHOSE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO PRESERVE BY ANY MEANS AVAILABLE, WOULD WE EVER REALIZE DEMOLITION TO BE AN OPTION.
[VI.1. Discussion of Town of Bluffton Historic Resource Survey Update and Presentation by Stantec, Inc. (Staff - Glen Umberger)]
MOVE ON TO A PRESENTATION AND START RESOURCE, RESOURCE SURVEY UPDATES.UM, SO TONIGHT WE HAVE A PRE PRESENTATION FROM STANTEC, UM, WHO IS OUR CONSULTANTS FOR OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY UPDATE.
UM, I WILL NOT SEAL THUNDER, UM, BUT, UM, I LEFT IN YOUR PACKET, UM, A STAFF REPORT AND AN OUTLINE OF WHAT THE PROJECT'S GOING TO ENTAIL.
UM, BUT STANTEC CERTAINLY WILL, UH, FILL YOU IN ON THE REST OF IT.
AND, UM, UM, I HAVE TO SAY I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH THEM THUS FAR ON THE PROJECT.
UM, AND YOU WILL SEE THEM IN TOWN NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, UM, THIS IS SANDY FROM STANEC.
SO, UM, LIKE GLEN SAID, UH, MY NAME IS SANDY SHANNON, AND I AM A SENIOR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN WITH STANTEC AND THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, MYSELF AND MY TEAM SPECIALIZE IN HISTORIC RESOURCES, SURVEYS OF THIS NATURE, AND HAVE WORKED IN BEAUFORT COUNTY BEFORE.
SO WE'RE, UH, HAPPY TO BE RETURNING.
WE ENJOY WORKING IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
AND I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND GET STARTED.
SO THIS IS MY AGENDA FOR TODAY.
UM, I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT BACKGROUND AND SCOPE.
UM, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THE TOWN IS DOING THIS WORK.
UM, I'LL DESCRIBE EACH MAJOR TASK NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO OVER THE PROJECT SCHEDULE AND BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE, UM, TOWN AND COMMUNITIES OPTIONS ARE POST PROJECT.
SO, TO START WITH, UM, KINDA AN OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
SO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS FUNDED THIS PROJECT, UM, THE CONTRACTED STANTEC, UM, TO CONDUCT A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY UPDATE OF THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS, UM, THE BLACK OUTLINE HERE ON THIS MAP.
UM, SO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW, IS A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT ENCOMPASSES THE SMALLER NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UM, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE PURPLE OUTLINE THERE.
UM, SO WHAT IS A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY? UM, THEY ARE A TOOL THAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN USE TO IDENTIFY AND RECORD THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
UM, AS PART OF A SURVEY, PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED FOR
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HIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ACCORDING TO A SET OF ESTABLISHED CRITERIA.UM, SO AS PART OF, UH, SURVEY PROJECTS, WE LOOK AT AND ASSESS ALL BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, UM, SITES AND OBJECTS WITHIN A DESIGNATED SURVEY AREA.
UM, IN THIS CASE, OUR DESIGNATED SURVEY AREA IS THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THEN ABOUT THE OLD TOWN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS COMMISSIONED FOUR PRIOR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS, UM, IN BLUFFTON.
THEY WERE CONDUCTED FROM THE 1990S TO 2019.
IT'S TYPICAL TO DO SURVEYS EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO, DEPENDING ON YOUR, YOUR GOALS AND THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING.
UM, SO SOMEWHERE IN, IN ALL OF THAT, IN 2007, UM, THE TOWN ESTABLISHED THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY LOCAL ORDINANCE.
UM, ORIGINALLY, UM, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS CREATED, RESOURCES THAT WERE 50 YEARS OLD OR OLDER, OLDER, EXCUSE ME, WERE CLASSIFIED AS WHAT WE CALL CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, UM, TO THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, BECAUSE IN 2021, THE TOWN ADOPTED A NEW ORDINANCE THAT REDEFINED, UM, WHAT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IS TO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'LL PUT A PIN IN PIN IN THAT FOR NOW.
UM, SO WHY IS THE TOWN UNDERTAKING THIS LATEST SURVEY EFFORT? UM, THEY'VE GOT TWO MAIN GOALS FOR THE PROJECT.
NUMBER ONE IS TO UPDATE THAT LIST OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES IN THE OLD TOWN DISTRICT.
UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE NEW DEFINITION OF CONTRIBUTING IN YOUR 2021 ORDINANCE, UM, THE LIST OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE THAT ORDINANCE ORDINANCE WAS ESTABLISHED.
UM, THE SECOND MAIN GOAL IS TO IDENTIFY PROPERTIES IN, UM, OLD TOWN THAT MAY BE INDIVIDUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS A SEPARATE PROGRAM.
UM, IT'S HOW PROPERTIES CAN BE DESIGNATED, UM, AS HISTORIC AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
SO IN BLUFFTON, YOU HAVE BOTH LOCAL DESIGNATION OP OPTIONS, AND THE FEDERAL NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATION OPTION.
SO, UM, THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA TO BE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE BLUFFTON LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, NOWADAYS SINCE THE 2021 ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, UM, IS SIMILAR TO THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA TO BE INDIVIDUALLY LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
UM, SO THESE ARE THE BASIC COMPONENTS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, SO A RESOURCE MUST GENERALLY BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OF AGE TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR EITHER DESIGNATION.
UM, IT HAS TO HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANCE RELATED TO ONE OF FOUR CRITERIA.
SO THE FIRST CRITERIA IS, UM, HIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE RELATED TO AN EVENT OR LIKE A BROAD PATTERN IN HISTORY.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY AN IMPORTANT ASSOCIATION WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA, OR, UM, A PROPERTY THAT HAS, UH, COMMERCIAL SIGNIFICANCE, UM, IN THE AREA.
UM, THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THAT, UM, THE CRITERION IS THAT, UH, PROPERTY CAN BE HISTORICALLY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH A PERSON WHO'S MADE IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE PAST.
UM, THE THIRD ONE IS THAT A RESOURCE CAN BE SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE, UM, OR DESIGN.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT A PROPERTY CAN BE SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHEOLOGY OR WHAT WE CALL ITS INFORMATION POTENTIAL.
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I WANNA POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE IS THAT IN ORDER TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BLUFFTON LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, OR TO BE LISTED INDIVIDUALLY IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, A RESOURCE HAS TO NOT ONLY HAVE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, IT ALSO HAS TO HAVE WHAT WE CALL INTEGRITY.
UM, SO INTEGRITY IS BASICALLY A PROPERTY'S ABILITY TO CONVEY ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THROUGH ITS PHYSICAL FEATURES.
UM, SO BASICALLY, UM, DOES THE PROPERTY LOOK LIKE IT DID DURING THE TIME PERIOD, UM, DURING WHICH THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT? UM, WE WON'T GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS ON, ON THE INTEGRITY, BUT NOTE THAT THERE ARE SEVEN ASPECTS IN OF INTEGRITY THAT WE CONSIDER THERE ON THE SLIDE.
UM, AND GENERALLY A PROPERTY WILL POSSESS SEVERAL, BUT, UM, THEY DON'T NEED TO POSSESS ALL ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY TO, UH, BE ELIGIBLE FOR EITHER THE LOCAL LISTING OR THE, UH, LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
UM, AND LAST THING I'LL POINT OUT HERE IS THAT WE ARE DOING AN ABOVE GROUND HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY.
SO WE WILL BE FOCUSING ON HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE RELATED TO, UM, EVENTS, PEOPLE AND ARCHITECTURE.
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ARCHEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENTS.UM, THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CULTURAL RESOURCES SURVEY PROJECT.
UM, ONTO OUR MAIN PROJECT TASKS.
SO, UH, THIS BUFTON PROJECT HAS FOUR MAIN TASKS, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT, HISTORIC CONTEXT DEVELOPMENT, THE SURVEY FIELD WORK ITSELF, AND THEN POST FIELD WORK ANALYSIS AND REPORTING.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT EACH OF THOSE.
UM, SO THE FIRST TASK, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH IS ONGOING.
UM, THE GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT AROUND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH ARE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT, UM, GET PEOPLE INTERESTED AND ENGAGED IN BLUFFTON HISTORY, AND THEN GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH US.
THAT LAST PIECE IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE HISTORY BOOKS DON'T CAPTURE EVERYTHING ABOUT A COMMUNITY'S HISTORY.
SO IT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO OUTREACH, UM, TO SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN LEARN FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO FOR THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE TOWN TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT PLAN, AND CAME UP WITH, UM, THE STRATEGIES THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO PROJECT, UH, MEETINGS, PUBLIC MEETINGS SLATED.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS MEETING, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE RESULTS OF THE PROJECT AT A SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
UM, WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF CONDUCTING ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS WITH LONGTIME RESIDENTS, UM, WHICH WILL INFORM OUR FIELD WORK, WHICH PROPERTIES THAT WE DOCUMENT AND OUR HISTORIC CONTEXT.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN ACTIVELY GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHICH I HOPE FOLKS HAVE SEEN.
UM, WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THE TOWN TO DEVELOP SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS FOR INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK, AND NEXTDOOR.
UH, WE DID AN EMAIL BLAST TO STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING LOCAL HISTORIANS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS.
UM, WE CAME UP WITH THE PRESS RELEASE, UH, AND THE STORY HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO PREPPED A, A FLYER THAT WE WILL CARRY WITH US DURING FIELD WORK.
UM, WE LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN HAND TO DISTRIBUTE TO INTERESTED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, IT HAS INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT, THE TIMELINE, HOW PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED, THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, WE SET UP AN EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, AND AS PART OF ALL THE VARIOUS OUTREACH THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN INCLUDING THAT EMAIL ADDRESS AND ASKING THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SHARE INFORMATION WITH US ABOUT, UM, BUILDINGS, PLACES, PEOPLE, EVENTS, UH, IN BLUFF IN'S HISTORY THAT, THAT MATTER TO THEM THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT.
UM, SO THAT EMAIL ADDRESS IS, IS HERE ON THE SLIDE.
IT'S BLUFFTON HISTORY@STANTEC.COM.
UM, WE WILL BE ACCEPTING EMAILS UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5TH, WHICH IS THIS FRIDAY.
UM, SO YOU HAVE JUST A FEW MORE DAYS TO GET INFORMATION TO US IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS OR FAMILY OR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL HISTORY KNOWLEDGE, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE THIS EMAIL WITH THEM AND, AND, AND ARE DEADLINE FOR GETTING INFORMATION TO US.
SO THE SECOND MAIN TASK THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THIS PROJECT IS A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT, UM, WHICH IS ALSO ONGOING.
SO, UH, AN IMPORTANT PART OF A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT.
WHAT IS A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT? UM, IT, IT HELPS GUIDE THE EVALUATIONS OF WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IN OUR SURVEY AREA IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S BASICALLY A WRITTEN FRAMEWORK THAT SERVES AS A TOOL FOR, FOR OUR SURVEYORS.
UM, WE HAVE DRAFTED A, A HISTORIC CONTEXT STATEMENT AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND UPON IT AS WE CONTINUE OUR RESEARCH EFFORTS.
AND THEN THE FINAL CONTEXT STATEMENT WILL BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF OUR SURVEY REPORT.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN USING LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UH, FOR, FOR OUR CONTEXT STATEMENT, WE WERE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE PRIOR HISTORIC CONTEXT FOR BLUFFTON AND, AND BROADER BUFORT COUNTY THAT, UM, WE COULD USE AS A STARTING POINT.
SO OUR CONTEXT LEVERAGES, UM, PRIOR, PRIOR STUDIES THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED.
UM, OUR CONTEXT FOCUSES ON KEY THEMES TO OUR SURVEY AREAS, HISTORY THROUGH 1986, WHICH IS OUR SURVEY CUTOFF DATE.
UM, SO WE'RE COVERING THINGS LIKE, UM, ARCHITECTURE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, GOVERNMENTAL HISTORY, EDUCATIONAL HISTORY, UM, RECREATION AND CULTURE, UH, BLACK HISTORY, THE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, THE CONTEXT IS BEING DEVELOPED WITH INFORMATION FROM BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SOURCES GATHERED DIGITALLY, AND THEN FROM LOCAL REPOSITORIES.
UM, WHEN WE ARE IN BLUFFTON FOR FIELD WORK, WE WILL CONTINUE OUR RESEARCH VISITS TO REPOSITORIES LIKE THE CALDWELL ARCHIVES, UM, THE BEAUFORT DISTRICT COLLECTION AT THE BEAUFORT BRANCH LIBRARY, THE BLUFFTON BRANCH LIBRARY, UM,
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AND THE BLUFFTON GULLAH CULTURAL HERITAGE CENTER.UM, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO INCORPORATE RELEVANT INFORMATION FROM OUR ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS INTO THE CONTEXT AS WELL.
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I'LL, I'LL ALWAYS SAY ABOUT CONTEXT IS THAT, UM, THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE EXHAUSTIVE HISTORIES OF AN AREA LIKE YOU'D SEE FOR A BOOK OR A DISSERTATION.
UM, INSTEAD THEY PRESENT THE RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED TO HELP IDENTIFY PROPERTIES WITH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
UH, THE THIRD MAIN TASK IS PRE-FIELD WORK PREPARATIONS AND ACTUAL FIELD WORK.
UM, SO AS PART OF OUR PRE-FIELD PREPARATIONS, WE'VE DEVELOPED A DIGITAL MAP IN GIS, UH, TO USE DURING FIELD WORK.
UM, THE GIS MAP INCLUDES LAYERS LIKE, UM, THE SURVEY AREA BOUNDARY, UM, THE CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE TAX ASSESSOR DATA LOADED IN THERE.
UM, WE HAVE HIGH RESOLUTION HISTORICAL MAPS AND AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS LIKE YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS SLIDE, THAT WE CAN TOGGLE ON AND OFF TO IDENTIFY CHANGES TO A PROPERTY OVER TIME.
UM, WE ALSO PIN THE LOCATIONS OF PROPERTIES THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR US, UM, AND PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED DURING RESEARCH THAT WE KNOW WE WANNA SPA PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO.
UM, SO DURING FIELD WORK, WE WILL USE, UH, TABLET COMPUTERS AND IT WILL HAVE OUR DIGITAL MAP LOADED TO THE DEVICE.
AND THEN THE MAP IS CONNECTED TO A DATABASE SYSTEM THAT, UM, WE USE TO DIGITALLY DOCUMENT PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING IS ALL AUTOMATICALLY CONNECTED.
UM, SO OUR, OUR FIELD WORK WILL ACTUALLY BEGIN WITH WHAT WE CALL A WINDSHIELD SURVEY, UM, WHICH INVOLVES METHODICALLY DRIVING THE SURVEY AREA, LOOKING AT PROPERTIES BUILT IN 1986 OR EARLIER.
UM, WHY DO WE DO A WINDSHIELD SURVEY? IT GIVES US KINDA A, A FEEL FOR THE SURVEY AREA, A BIG PICTURE UNDERSTANDING, UM, OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO IDENTIFY NEW PROPERTIES OF INTEREST THAT, UM, ARE NOT ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AFTER THE WINDSHIELD SURVEY, UM, WE WILL BASICALLY HAVE A MAP AND A LIST OF PLACES THAT WE WILL REVISIT FOR DOCUMENTATION.
SO, UM, DURING DOCUMENTATION, WE WILL, UM, DOCUMENT ALL PROPERTIES CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEN PROPERTIES THAT MEET ONE OF THE FOUR ADDITIONAL CRITERIA ON THE SLIDE HERE.
SO, UM, PROPERTIES BUILT IN 1986 OR EARLIER THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY SURVEYED ARE PROPERTIES WE WILL DOCUMENT.
UM, WE WILL ALSO DOCUMENT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE OR POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR INDIVIDUAL LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, BUT ARE NOT YET LISTED.
UM, WE WILL DOCUMENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE BELIEVE MAY NOW BE CONTRIBUTING.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE DOCUMENTING ANY SELECT PROPERTIES OF INTEREST IDENTIFIED BY THE TOWN, UM, OR BY THE COMMUNITY DURING, DURING OUR, UH, OUTREACH.
SO DOCUMENTATION, UM, INCLUDES PHOTOGRAPHING A PROPERTY, TAKING NOTES ON ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UM, AND ALTERATIONS, AND THEN RECORDING ITS PRECISE LOCATION IN THE THE GIS MAP.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, EVERYTHING IS GATHERED ON OUR TABLET COMPUTERS, IT'S ALL AUTOMATICALLY BACKED UP TO OUR SERVERS.
UM, SO THERE'S NO POTENTIAL FOR DATA TO EVER GET LOST, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, AND THEN THE FIELD WORK WILL BE CONDUCTED BY MYSELF AND A COLLEAGUE OF MINE.
BOTH OF US ARE, UH, QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS.
UM, AND WE WILL BE DOING THE WORK FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE WILL CARRY FLYERS WITH US TO GIVE TO ANYONE INTERESTED.
UM, AND WE ARE ALWAYS MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT WHEN WE ENCOUNTER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THE LAST, UM, STEPS IN OUR PROCESS ARE POST FIELD WORK PROCESSING AND REPORTING.
UM, SO AFTER FIELD WORK, WE FINALIZE THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED IN THE FIELD AND WE CONDUCT ANY ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, UM, THAT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, ALL OF OUR DATA AND DELIVERABLES GO THROUGH A, UH, TWO-PART QA QC PROCESS, WHICH MEANS IT'S ALL REVIEWED BY TWO ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIANS AND OR HISTORIANS.
UM, AND THEN WE BEGIN PREPPING OUR, OUR DELIVERABLES.
OUR MAIN DELIVERABLE WILL BE OUR SURVEY REPORT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE HISTORIC CONTEXT, UM, AND AN INVENTORY OF ALL THE SURVEYED RESOURCES.
AND THEN OUR LOCAL DISTRICT AND INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
UM, WE ARE ALSO, UM, COORDINATED WITH TOWN STAFF TO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT MEET THE LOCAL OR NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATION CRITERIA, BUT HAVE HISTORICAL
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VALUE AND COULD BE THE LOCATION OF, UH, A HISTORICAL MARKER.UM, AS PART OF THIS SURVEY REPORT, WE WILL ALSO, UM, PREPARE SURVEY FORMS FOR EACH DOCUMENTED PROPERTY ON THE STATE'S HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY FORMS. UM, WE'LL ALSO SUBMIT AN ACCESS DATABASE THAT THE STATE USES FOR HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS, UM, UH, AS WELL AS GIS DELIVERABLES.
AND THEN, UM, OUR RENAMED DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO THIS IS OUR PROJECT SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, I'VE MENTIONED WE ARE CURRENTLY, UM, DOING ONGOING RESEARCH AND, AND PUBLIC OUTREACH AND WRAPPING UP OUR ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS.
NEXT WEEK WE WILL BE IN BLUFFTON TO CONDUCT THE FIELD WORK.
UM, WHILE WE ARE THERE, WE WILL DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AT LOCAL REPOSITORIES.
AND THEN ONCE WE FINISH FIELD WORK, WE WILL BEGIN OUR DATA PROCESSING AND REPORTING PHASE.
UM, OUR DRAFT REPORT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN AND THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY, WHICH IS THE AGENCY THAT OVERSEES HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, UM, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER.
UM, THEY WILL HAVE A REVIEW PERIOD.
UM, AND THEN DURING THAT REVIEW PERIOD IN, UH, IN FEBRUARY 4TH, ON FEBRUARY 4TH, WE WILL BE BACK WITH YOU ALL TO SHARE THE OUTCOME OF THE SURVEY AS PART OF OUR SECOND PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, WE WILL PROVIDE OUR REVISED FINAL SURVEY REPORT AND DELIVERABLES, UM, THAT INCORPORATES REQUESTED EDITS IS APPROPRIATE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.
UM, ONE THING I ALWAYS POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, AS CONSULTANTS, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS PART OF HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY PROJECTS.
UM, BUT IT IS UP TO, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL STAFF TO MAKE THE FINAL DETERMINATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY.
SO OUR FINAL REPORT WILL REFLECT THE INPUT, UM, FROM THE STAFF AT THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ARCHIVES AND HISTORY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE SURVEY IS REALLY UP TO THE TOWN AND PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS ARE JUST THE FIRST STEP FOR COMMUNITIES.
THEY SET YOU UP TO BE ABLE TO PURSUE OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, AND PUBLIC HISTORY INITIATIVES.
SO THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES HERE ON THE SLIDE, UM, OF, OF ACTIVITIES THAT ARE, ARE TYPICAL THAT WE SEE MUNICIPALITIES, UM, TAKE ON AFTER A SURVEY IS COMPLETED.
SO, UM, IN YOUR CASE, THE TOWN COULD FORMALLY ADOPT OUR LIST OF RECOMMENDED CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, TO DO THAT, THE TOWN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ADDING OR REMOVING, CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES, UM, TO THE DISTRICT.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS THAT WITH NATIONAL REGISTER DETERMINATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY IN HAND, UM, FROM THE STATE, THE TOWN AND PROPERTY OWNERS CAN ACTUALLY PURSUE FORMAL, UM, LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER IF, IF THEY WANT TO, UM, FORMAL LISTING.
AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER IS A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT OCCURS AFTER, UH, A SURVEY.
UM, YOU, UM, IT'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STATE AND THEN THEN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVES.
AND AGAIN, UM, UH, PURSUING DESIGNATION IS UP TO PROPERTY OWNERS IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.
UH, LAST THING WE HAVE HERE IS, UM, IF THE TOWN AND RESIDENTS ARE INTERESTED, THE INFORMATION FROM UM, A HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, TO GUIDE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES.
UM, WE'VE SEEN CONTENT FROM HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEYS USED FOR COMMUNITY HISTORY INITIATIVES LIKE HERITAGE TOURISM OR, UM, BLACK OR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH PROGRAMMING.
UM, AND THEN LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE PLANNING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT MEET OTHER DESIGNATION CRITERIA, BUT COULD, UM, COULD HAVE VALUE AS, UM, HISTORICAL MARKER PROPERTIES.
SO THE TOWN, IF INTERESTED, COULD COORDINATE WITH THE BLUFFTON, UH, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION SOCIETY ON THE CREATION OF NEW HISTORICAL MARKERS.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TODAY.
WE'RE THRILLED TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT AND TO BE BACK IN, UM, BEAUFORT COUNTY.
UM, AS A REMINDER, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO EMAIL US ABOUT IMPORTANT HISTORICAL BUILDINGS, PLACES, PEOPLE, EVENTS, TRENDS,
AND I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, GLEN FROM THE TOWN AND I ARE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
CINDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
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GLEN'S EXCITED ABOUT THE PROCESS AS WELL.AND, UH, AS A PRESERVATIONIST I LIVE FOR THIS
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, AND MAYBE TO SHANNON, HOW MANY EMAILS HAVE YOU RECEIVED TO DATE WITH THE DEADLINE BEING FRIDAY? I, I HAVE NOT SEEN A LOT.
I'VE SHARED THIS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT, AND I'M GONNA SIT DOWN AND DO MY EMAIL TONIGHT, BUT JUST CURIOUS.
UM, I WOULD SAY WE'VE RECEIVED LESS THAN A DOZEN.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE COME IN.
I'M HOPING WITH THE DEADLINE AND THIS MEETING THAT WE WILL GET MORE.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, ARTICLE IN THE PRESS THAT WENT OUT TODAY SO THAT, THAT FUELS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
A LOT OF THE CONTENT THAT WE TEND TO GET, UM, FOR THESE PROJECTS, UH, THAT IS PARTICULARLY USEFUL FOR IDENTIFYING NEW PROPERTIES OF INTEREST COMES FROM ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEWS.
UM, SO WE'RE FINDING SOME REALLY GOOD, UH, INFORMATION FROM THOSE INTERVIEWS AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION THAT WE RE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE EMAILS FOR SURE.
AND JUST TWO OTHER FOLLOW UPS, THANK YOU FOR THE LIST OF WHO YOU'RE DOING ORAL INTERVIEWS ON.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE MISSING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE LIMIT WAS FIVE, BUT, UM, THE TUMORS ARE ON THE RIVER SIDE.
THE RIVER PLAYS A BIG PART OF OUR HISTORY.
THE AL ARE A BIG PART OF OUR HISTORY.
LAURA BUSH KIND OF REPRESENTS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
GEORGE HAYWARD WAS A FORMER MAYOR.
THERE WERE SOME THAT REALLY I THOUGHT WOULD GIVE YOU A REAL GOOD TASTE.
AND MAYBE GLEN, YOU CAN MEET WITH THEM TO ADD TO IT.
AND I THINK THAT GIVES YOU A BETTER ROUNDED VIEW OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT MANY OF US WERE NOT HERE AGREED DURING, DURING THESE TIMES.
AND THEN FINALLY, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM A BROCKINGTON REPORT BASED DONE IN 19? HOW IS IT DIFFERENT? WILL IT BE SIMILAR IN THIS? IT WOULD BE SIMILAR.
SO THINK OF THE BROCKINGTON 2019 REPORT AS DRAFT ONE.
IT'LL JUST BE ADDED TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS HARD, IT WAS SO BIG.
I, I WAS HOPING THIS WAS GONNA GET IT MORE NARROWED DOWN AND EASIER FOR, YOU KNOW, PARTY OF TWO TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? SO THERE WILL BE, UM, THAN AMEN OR AN UPDATED RESOURCE ARRAY.
SO 2019, THINK OF IT AS, YOU KNOW, A PIECE IN THE, ON THE ONGOING PUZZLE.
[VII.1. 27 Bridge Street: A request by Jason Broene (Court Atkins Architects), Applicant, on behalf of Mike Nerhus and Jessical Foley, Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to amend an approved COFA-HD to allow the installed brick foundation to remain for the house under construction at 27 Bridge Street in OId Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-05-25-011989) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.WE HAVE TWO ITEMS AND WE'LL START WITH 27 BRIDGE STREET.
THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM AUGUST 6TH, AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS, UM, ACTUALLY IT WAS TABLED BY THE APPLICANT, JASON BRUNEY OF COURT ATKINS, UH, WHO'S REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, MIKE
UH, AT THAT TIME, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS TO ALLOW THE BRICK FOUNDATION THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW TO BE, UH, ALLOWED.
IT'S CONTRARY TO THE UDO AND WHAT HAD BEEN APPROVED.
AND AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, UM, PERHAPS THE FOUNDATION NEEDED TO BE RECONSIDERED.
SO THE APPLICANT, UH, DID MEET WITH THE HPRC, UH, SOME OF THE MEMBERS AND, UM, AND CAME UP WITH, UH, A NEW PLAN.
I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
SO THIS PROPERTY'S LOCATED DIRECTLY ACROSS OUR CADDY CORNER FROM, UH, TOWN HALL.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THE FOUNDATION, UM, BACK IN 2022, UH, INCLUDED A COMBINATION OF BRICK AND LOUVER WOOD LOURED VENTS.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTO ON THE LEFT, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE PIERS, BRICK PIERS.
AND THERE WERE INTENDED TO BE SOME LOUVERS WITHIN THE INSET.
HOWEVER, IT APPEARS THAT THE FOUNDATION WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY.
AND THAT CREATED SOME DIFFICULTIES.
THEY DID FILL IN THE NSET AREA WITH BRICK.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE UDO, WHAT WAS APPROVED.
AND IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF BLUP IN FOUNDATIONS OF THE, THE VERNACULAR BLUFFTON.
SO THIS IS, UH, DESIGN DETAIL HERE, SHOWING YOU WHAT WAS INTENDED IN YELLOW.
THE FOUNDATION WAS TO HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN INSET IN THE CONCRETE.
HOWEVER, IT WAS, UM, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THAT WAY.
THE BLUE REPRESENTS HOW IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
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A A, A PLANE THERE.UM, SO THIS HAS CREATED SOME DIFFICULTIES.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSAL BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE CORNER, UH, APPEARS TO BE, UH, APPEAR.
UM, THIS WILL REMAIN, THE FULL BRICK WILL REMAIN.
HOWEVER, THE INSET AREA, THIS BRICK HERE WILL BE, UM, IT'S I BELIEVE THIN BRICK, HALF BRICK.
UM, THAT WILL BE REPLACED BY FULL BRICK, AS WILL THE ROW LOCK THAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED DETAIL TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE, THE FOUNDATION WILL BE ON THE SAME PLANE AND WILL BE FULL BRICK THERE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER SITE DETAILS THAT CHANGE, UM, FROM THE LAST APPROVAL.
THAT INCLUDES, UH, EXPANDING THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS, UM, SOME HARDSCAPE.
THE POOL IN THE REAR YARD WILL CHANGE TO A HALF COURT.
AND THEN THE FENCE, THE PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE IS A LITTLE TALLER THAN IT'S PERMITTED.
AND IT CAN BE, UH, NO TALLER THAN SIX FEET.
SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR TONIGHT, THERE ARE FOUR.
IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA AND IT WILL MEET IT IF CONDITION TWO IS MET.
AND THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS OR FINDINGS BY STAFF.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THERE WILL NEED TO BE A DETERMINATION MADE REGARDING THE ALTERNATE PROPOSAL THAT I PRESENTED TONIGHT.
A CONDITION THAT THE PRIVACY FENCE BE NO TALLER THAN SIX FEET.
AND GIVEN THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL HARDSCAPE THAT THE, UH, THE TOWN'S STORM WATER AND WATERSHED MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND YOUR, UM, CHARGE TONIGHT IS TO EITHER APPROVE IT, DENY IT, OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
AND HERE IS A SUGGESTED MOTION AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO WE'RE BEING, SO THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE BRICK WORK AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE MISTAKE.
WELL, NO, THEY, THEY, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE, THERE IS AN ALTERATION TO THIS.
SO THERE WILL NOT BE THAT INSET THAT YOU SEE HERE.
IT'S GOING TO ALL BE ON THE SAME PLANE THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THIS DETAIL.
BUT IT WILL BE A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT WE APPROVED.
IT WAS PARTIALLY BRICK, BUT IT DID HAVE THE WOOD LOURED.
I, I, UM, WHAT'S DIFFERENT ON THE DRAWINGS THAT THE NEW DRAWING PROPOSED DRAWINGS THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANGE.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, COME UP AND REPRESENT, UM, WHAT THE CHANGE IS.
JASON, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD, BECAUSE I MEAN THE, THE PROPOSED DRAWING LOOKS LIKE IT STILL BUMPS OUT THE SAME WAY IT'S DOING RIGHT NOW.
JASON BRUNEY WITH CORD ATKINS ARCHITECTS.
UM, HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF REPORT AND GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN.
SO THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL DETAIL, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT HERE.
THE ORIGINAL DETAIL, THIS, THE INTENT WAS WHEN YOU BUILD A FOUNDATION THAT YOU HAVE A LEAVE OUT HERE.
SO THE CONCRETE, WHEN YOU POUR THE CONCRETE, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S NO CONCRETE BEING POURED RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
SO THAT WHEN YOU APPLY THE BRICK AND THE THE LOUVER, UM, THE LOUVER DETAIL, IT'S ALL, WE'LL STAY HERE.
SO BRICK AND THE LOUVER DETAIL HERE, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE EXTERIOR WALL.
SO WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, UM, THIS LEAVE OUT WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED.
SO THE FOUNDATION IS RIGHT ALONG THIS BLUE LINE.
SO ANYTHING WE DO NOW FOR THE FOUNDATION IS PROUD OR FORWARD OF THE EXTERIOR WALL.
SO THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, IS TO TAKE A, A FULL BRICK AND TO APPLY IT TO THE FOUNDATION WITH A ROLL LOCK SEAL AND KEEP THAT CONSISTENT AROUND THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION.
UM, WHICH IS A INAPPROPRIATE FOUNDATION DETAIL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR A HOUSE.
AND WE ALSO, WE TRIED ALSO, YOU KNOW, SPENT TIME LOOKING AT THIS DETAIL IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOME, SOME SOLUTIONS ALSO, YOU KNOW, DROVE AROUND, TRIED TO FIND A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
THERE ARE A COUPLE EXAMPLES IN OLD TOWN, UH, ONE IN THE PROMENADE WHERE YOU DO HAVE SORT OF THIS, THIS CONDITION WHERE THE BRICK IS PROUD, UM, OF THE, OF, OF THE EXTERIOR WALL.
THERE'S, UH, ACROSS THE STREET HERE AND THERE'S, AND THE ONE IN THE PROMENADE, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE
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THOSE PHOTOS OR NOT.THAT'S OKAY, YOUR HONOR, ATTACHED ATTACHMENT.
SO, SO, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE FIX.
WE FEEL LIKE THE BRICK IS A, UM, MASONRY FOUNDATION, UM, THAT THE UDO IF IS APPROPRIATE WITH WITHIN THE UDO.
UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE, WE, WE WILL LANDSCAPE IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF FOUNDATION PLANNINGS, THE FENCING, UM, SCREENING JUST TO SORT OF TOSS US OFF IN THAT EDGE.
BUT I FEEL LIKE GETTING EVERYTHING IN THE SAME PLANE WITH THE ROLEX SEAL AND THE, AND THE FULL BRICK WAS THE, THE, THE BEST.
SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S CHANGING HERE? YEAH, LIKE WHAT, LIKE, SO THEY, THEY SAID THE ROBLOX CELL LOOKS LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE A ROBLOX CELL.
SO THIS WOULD REMAIN THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS WOULD REMAIN 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S FORWARD OF THAT, THAT IS FORWARD OF THIS, OF THE WALL.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THIN BRICK AND IT'S SET BACK IN.
WE WOULD, THIS WOULD BE REMOVED.
AND YOU WOULD COME BACK IN WITH THE FULL SIZE BRICK, BE ON THE SAME PLANE TO MATCH UP WITH THIS HERE.
IT, IT'S, IT'S BEEN CUT BACK HERE.
SO WE'D TAKE THAT OUT, USE THE, AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE ARE ALIGNED AND JUST WRAP THAT AROUND THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S ALL UNIFORM AND IN THE SAME, SO EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK LIKE THE FAR RIGHT OF THE PICTURE.
I'M SORRY? EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK LIKE THE FAR RIGHT OF THE PICTURE ALL THE WAY ACROSS RIGHT HERE TO THE YES, YES, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE PACKET.
I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE AN EXAMPLE OF IT FROM IT.
IT WAS THE LAST TWO EXHIBITS, 82 PRICHARD.
THAT'S NOT EVEN THE RIGHT HOUSE THAT YOU PUT.
I THINK 82 IS THE WHITE HOUSE.
BUT WHEN YOU DO A GOOGLE MAP THAT GOES TO THE GREENHOUSE, SO OH, WELL IT WAS, I CLICKED ON IT AND IT GAVE ME, AND THEN I WENT TO THE TOWN OF BLUFF EXPLORER AND IT GAVE ME 82 PERSON.
BUT IT'S, IT'S THAT ONE PRE THESE AMENDMENTS.
SO I KNOW PROMENADE WAS EARLY, EARLY ON.
SO EARLIER ON TO WHAT MM-HMM
PROMENADE AND THE, THE CHURCH UP ON THE CORNER, BUT STOP SIGN, UM, ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER HAS A SIMILAR DETAIL.
IT'S KIND OF THE BRICK IS RAISED UP TOWARDS THE WINDOWSILL.
ARE THERE ANY RESIDENTIAL EXAMPLES OF THIS? UM, IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN KIND OF THE GATED COMMUNITIES AND, AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OLD TOWN NECESSARILY.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OLD THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OLD, BUT A HISTORIC, CORRECT.
WHICH WE STATED BEFORE THAT THIS WAS NON-CON, IT WAS NON-CONFORMING.
UM, WHEREAS ON THE SITE, THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE BEFORE GETTING, UM, APPROVAL OF CHANGING.
AND NOW WE ARE SITTING HERE, UM, YES.
BUT I, I'M STILL STUCK ON WHAT I STATED BEFORE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO, WE'RE WE'RE SETTING A PRESIDENT WHERE IT'S OKAY TO HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED, GO ON SITE, DON'T LIKE IT, LET'S JUST CHANGE IT AND HOPE THE TOWN DOESN'T SEE IT.
I MEAN WE'RE WE, I MEAN WE'RE STILL MAKING THEM CHANGE IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A REALISTIC UNDERSTOOD THIS.
I MEAN THERE'S, WE CAN'T TAKE THE SLAB AWAY.
SO I MEAN IT REALLY HAS TO BE APPLIED.
IS WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A QUESTION.
'CAUSE I DID SEE YOUR, YOUR UM, PLAN WHERE YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO BE ALIGNED ON THIS PICTURE.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT HAS BEEN CUT IN TO PUT THE, I CALL IT HOG BOARD.
I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME FOR IT.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, AND I KNOW ARCHITECTURALLY IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT BLUFFTON IS DIFFERENT.
AND WHY CAN'T THEY JUST PUT THE BOARD BACK UP? I, I DON'T LIKE THE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS REQUEST.
AND I'VE, AND I'VE SEEN IT AROUND MANY TIMES.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE CALL ME AND THE STAFF'S BEEN VERY, VERY STRICT ON OUR CODE, UM, WHERE THEY WOULDN'T EVEN GIVE A KOFA IF IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT.
SO I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE APPLICANTS WHO HAD TO GO BACK AND MAKE CHANGES.
I MEAN, I, I'M GONNA VOTE TO DENY IT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WHAT WAS APPROVED.
I MEAN THAT, SO WHAT HE WAS SHOWING THIS, THIS PART WAS BUILT IN THERE.
THIS PART IS NOT, THEY BUILT THIS OUT AND THEY, SO IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE A PIER.
THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THIS HERE.
SO THAT THAT WHOLE THING, THAT DETAIL HE IS LOOKING AT IS, APPEARS.
IT'S NOT THIS END INUNDATION, BUT THIS IS THE INDENTATION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING WHERE THE PIPES COMING OUT RIGHT.
IS WHERE THE HOG BOARD WOULD GO.
BUT YOU CAN'T, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A PIER.
THIS CAN'T LOOK LIKE A PIER WITH A BRAND BECAUSE IT'S FURTHER
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OUT AS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.THIS SHOULD BE IN LINE AT DETAIL THEY HAD BEFORE WE SHOWING THE PIER NOW IS RIGHT.
SO IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE A P UNFORTUNATELY, UNLESS WE CAN'T TAKE CONCRETE AWAY.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT.
SO I MEAN THE RESOLUTION, I MEAN, IT'S A HARDSHIP WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT JUST LETTING 'EM DO IT.
THEY HAVE TO RIP ALL THAT BRICK.
BUT IS IT REALLY A HARDSHIP? THEY JUST CHANGED IT WHEN THEY ON SET, ON ON SITE COMING OFF PRETTY MUCH ALL OUT.
THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT, BUT IT'S A SELF-INFLICTED HARDSHIP.
BUT WAS IT, WAS IT A MISTAKE THAT NOBODY CAUGHT OR WAS IT A CHOICE THAT SOMEBODY MADE? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN THIS CONSTRUCTION IN THE, THE FOUNDATION WAS NOT POURED CORRECTLY.
I MEAN THESE THINGS WAS, IT WAS, IT DOES, IT DOES HAPPEN IN CONSTRUCTION.
I MEAN WE'RE, EVERY PROJECT THAT WE WORK ON, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT GO AS PLANNED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT THAT FOUNDATION WAS NOT POURED CORRECTLY.
AND TO TRY TO GET THE MOST APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL FIX AND TO MAKE IT LOOK CORRECT, I, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE BEST, THE BEST, BEST SOLUTION.
I'M NOT, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I, I DON'T LIKE COMING BACK AFTER THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE.
TRUST ME, THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT WE LIKE TO DO IT.
UM, BUT UM, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET THE MOST APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL FIX TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS CORRECT WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT I GUESS BEING HERE SO LONG, I'VE ALSO SEEN APPLICANTS COME BACK AND, AND ASK FOR THAT.
AND IT REALLY CHALLENGED STAFF TO BRING IT TO US BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND IT, IT, IT SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE COULDA WOULD'VE.
AND I KNOW WHERE WE ARE, BUT, UM, I, I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED OVER JUST THE DISREGARD OF WHAT WE APPROVED.
I REALLY AM POST WHEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN, OH, WE POURED THE FOUNDATION WRONG, THEN COME BACK TO US BEFORE YOU DO ALL THIS.
THEN THESE SMART GUYS CAN GIVE KIND OF A HELP ON A SOLUTION.
BUT, UM, I KNOW IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO STAND UP HERE.
WHEN DO WE, SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE.
YEAH, I'M PATRICK MASON, THE BUILDER.
AND UM, AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT AND THE PROCESS, UM, WE DID MEET WITH TOWN STAFF AS THEY TOLD YOU IN THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DID MEET TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, THE HOG PINNING WE PUT IT IN.
THE OWNER WASN'T HAPPY WITH IT.
IT WAS RECESSED LIKE THE BRICK IS RECESSED AND THE OTHER BRICK WAS PROUD.
ALL THAT WAS BASICALLY APPROVED FOR THE PIERS.
AND WE ALSO ASKED FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL BRICK ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO BE APPROVED AND FOR BRICK TO BE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE GARAGE TO BE APPROVED.
AND ALL THAT WAS APPROVED AT STAFF LEVEL.
AND WE HAD REQUESTED ABOUT THE BRICK HERE, UM, TO BE PUT IN.
AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT RUNNING IT STRAIGHT ACROSS LEVEL WITH THE, WITH THE PEERS.
BUT STAFF SAID NO, YOU NEED TO SET THAT BACK, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT INCH OR SO FOR IT TO HAVE THE REVEAL.
LIKE THE HOG PINNING HAD THE REVEAL.
AND SO, UM, AT THAT POINT THEY WERE SAYING THAT PIERCE BRICK WOULD BE APPROVED FOR THOSE LITTLE SMALL SECTIONS.
AND WE HAD BRICK APPROVED FOR ALL THE REST OF THE FOUNDATION AND ALL OF THE FOUNDATION OF THE GARAGE BY STAFF.
AND UM, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE BRICK IN LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT BEING PIERCED, ALL YOU'RE LOOK SEEING IS A VERY THIN PIECE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK, UM, EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO WE SAID SET IT BACK AN INCH, WE DID THAT.
SO WE THOUGHT WE COULD FILL THAT IN THAT WAY BY SETTING IT BACK AN INCH AND IT NOT BEING OUT WITH THE SAME LINE AS THE OTHER BRICK.
SO IS, IS THE FOUNDATION POURED THE CORRECT WAY WITH THE RECESS OR IS THIS THIN BRICK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FIELD? YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIN BRICK THAT'S IN THE FIELD BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION WAS NOT POURED.
SO YOU CAME UP, YOU'RE COMING UP HERE AND SAYING THAT YOU INSTALLED IT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT YOU DID NOT FOLLOW THE APPROVED DETAIL.
I I, THE FOUNDATION, I, I I WENT OUT THERE WITH STAFF AND LOOKED AT IT AND REVIEWED IT, BUT IT WASN'T THE CORRECT DETAIL 'CAUSE NOTHING WAS PUSHED BACK AND RECESSED LIKE THE ARCHITECT'S CONSTRUCTION DETAIL THAT WAS APPROVED.
WE MADE A MISTAKE ON THE FOUNDATION WHEN WE RIGHT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU'RE COMING UP HERE AND TRYING TO SAY TO WASH ALL THAT THROUGH.
I'M NOT TRYING TO, IN REALITY IS WE STARTING, I'M JUST SAYING HOW STARTING FROM THE FOUNDATION WAS WRONG.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU HOW IT WENT.
I, AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE BEST SOLUTION.
AND WE MET WITH STAFF TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS.
BUT FOR, FOR THE LAY PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND I SHARE THEIR CONCERNS THAT THE DETAIL WASN'T FOLLOWED.
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THE DETAIL.WHEN YOU SAY THE DETAIL WAS INSTALLED CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME AND THEN ALTERED AFTER DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, IT WAS NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME? CORRECT.
'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME JUST CLEARING THAT UP BECAUSE YEAH, WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS DONE.
THE HOMEOWNERS LOOKED AT IT, THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
SO YOU WENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE NOW? YEAH, THE HOMEOWNER DIDN'T LIKE IT.
SO THEN WE MET WITH STAFF ON SITE, EXPLAINED TO 'EM THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT, THAT INFORMATION WASN'T GIVEN TO US.
AND WELL THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THEY SAID AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THEY HAD MET WITH US ON, ON SITE TO DISCUSS IT.
TO DISCUSS THAT IT'S NON-CONFORMING.
SO I'M SORRY, I I JUST WAS YOU'RE HELPFUL.
SO IF YOU GUYS LIKE THE LOOK OF THE HOG FENCING, I WANNA SEE THAT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE SLAB IS RIGHT BEHIND THAT BRICK IS VERY THIN AND THE HOG FENCE WOULD BE BASICALLY OUT PROW OUT AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THAT BAND BOARD ABOVE IT.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY RECESSED BACK.
BUT BEYOND THAT, THE CONCERN IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A TROOP HERE BECAUSE THAT'S FORWARD OF THE ACTUAL FOUNDATION TOO.
EVEN WHEN WE GOT PAST THE HO FENCE BEING RECESSED, WE CAN NEVER ACCOMPLISH THAT BECAUSE THE THE BRICK IS FORWARD.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT WATER TABLE, THAT BRICK WOULD BE FURTHER BACK AND THEY WOULD SIT ON THAT.
I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CALL A SOLUTION THAT'S THE MOST HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
CAN THEY GET RID OF THE ROLL LOCK AND JUST PUT A FACE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AND THIS BRICK, SO THE DETAIL SHOWS THIS BRICK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BEHIND THAT FOR THEIR BACK AND IS NOT TOO FAR OUT.
SO THE SOLUTION WAS TO PUT THAT ROLL LOCK, WHICH, SO I MEAN WE CAN'T, YEAH, WE IS THAT THIN BRICK ON THE PIER? IT IS.
SO WE, NO, IT'S NOT THIN BRICK.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE, LIKE WE DO THE THIN BRICK, BUT THEN IT COMES UP AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEHIND THE ME SKIRT, THE SKIRT BOARD.
IT NEEDS TO BE BEHIND IT'S TYPICAL DETAIL AVENUE SHIM OF SOME SORT, PUSH IT OUT ENOUGH TO WHERE IT'S PROUD.
LIKE JUST SITS PERFECTLY WITH THE WOOD.
I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE BAND BOARD.
I I THINK IT'S SO, SO WE'RE, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSULT AS ARCHITECT TO ARCHITECT TO SAY THIS, THIS, THIS.
WE HAVE A APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US WE NEED TO DO, UM, AS WE ARE CALLED TO DO AT THIS POINT AND LOOK AT, UM, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND, AND MOVE FROM THERE.
I THINK, I MEAN BECAUSE CONSULTING RIGHT? WE, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT'S NOT BEEN THERE AT HPRC LEVEL AND KIND OF WHERE WE HAD LANDED IN OUR THOUGHTS AND OBVIOUSLY I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT YEAH.
WAS THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE CLEANEST SOLUTION AND WHILE IT WE'RE UPSET ABOUT WHERE IT LANDED, THAT THAT KIND OF AT LEAST SEPARATED THE, THAT THIS OUT, THAT THIS, IT WAS A MODERN INSTALLATION AND NOT TO BE TAKEN AS KIND OF A TRADITIONAL LOOK BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T GET TO A TRADITIONAL LOOK AND THAT IT'S NOT REALLY SETTING PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF KIND OF THE PATH THAT WE GOT HERE.
BECAUSE AS THEY STATED, WHEN THEY CAME IN LAST MONTH, THEY DID IT.
THE HOMEOWNERS DIDN'T LIKE IT, THEY CHANGED IT.
BUT THEN SOMEHOW, I MEAN WITH IT BEING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, OOPS, YOU GUYS DID THIS AND DIDN'T GET APPROVAL, NOW YOU'RE COMING BACK TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
SO WHAT THAT STATE SAYS, YOU CAN GO IN TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT GOING BACK TO GET IT APPROVED, CHANGE IT, CHANGE IT, AND THEN ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
WELL WE ARE, WE ARE MAKING THEM CHANGE IT.
IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AND THEY'RE REALISTICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF I UNDERSTAND THAT SOLUTION TO IT.
SO YEAH, I, I, I KIND OF, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH CARLI.
THE, WE, I KNOW Y'ALL WANT, EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT IT DOES FALL ON THE ARCHITECT.
WE SHOULD APPROVE, DENY ACCEPT WITH CONDITIONS.
SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN DOABLE IF THE BOARD WAS THERE BEFORE THAT INTERCHANGE HIS MIND.
AND HONESTLY I'D SOONER SEE TABBY
WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
IF IT WAS DONE, WHY, WHY AREN'T WE PUTTING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS? WE CAN'T GET BACK.
THE INSET WAS NOT POURED IN THE FOUNDATION.
SO JASON, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WHAT IT TAKES TO CUT OUT THE RECESS? IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO REBAR EVERYTHING IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY I'D BE, I DON'T MEAN I SAID IS ALREADY
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LIKE, JUST RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD.I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU JUST THROW ANOTHER, ANOTHER ROW OF BRICK IN THERE AND THEN DONE WITH IT.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE USING THAT'S THIN BRICK AND USING FULL BRICK OVER HERE, THE FULL BRICK IS PROUD.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST USE THIN BRICK ALL AROUND THE WHOLE THING? AND, AND IT'S, I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU COULD JUST HAVE IT BE DONE THAT WAY.
BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, THAT'S A, YOU'RE SAYING HAVE THE BRICK ALL THE WAY.
I MEAN THAT THAT'S A SOLUTION IS HAVE THAT BRICK ALL THE WAY.
I MEAN THAT IS NOT LET 'EM GET AWAY WITH IT.
THEY'RE RIPPING ALL, EVERY BRICK OFF EXCEPT FOR THE PIERS AND EVEN THE PIERS, THEY'D HAVE TO RIP OFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GOTTA COR OUT, HAVE TO COURSE IT OUT.
SO I MEAN IT'S PRETTY MUCH RIPPING EVERY BRICK OUT OF THAT, THAT FOUNDATION.
SO IT IS NOT, WE'RE NOT LETTING 'EM GET AWAY WITH IT.
SO BUT WHY ARE WE KEEPING THE ROLL LOCK IS THE QUESTION? 'CAUSE THE ROLL LOCK.
THE ROLL LOCK, THAT'D BE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT THAT WAY, 'CAUSE IT'S PRO THE BRICK IS PROUD, YOU'D WANT THAT ROLL LOCK AS A TRANSITION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROUD OF THE SKIRT BOARD.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING OF IT.
THERE'S SOME TERMINATION AT THE TOP.
THE SHADOWS ARE THROWING OFF PERSPECTIVE.
BUT EVEN THE BRICK IS SLIGHTLY PROUD OF THE SKIRT BOARD.
WHEN I WALKED BY THERE AS CLOSE AS I COULD WITHOUT GETTING ON THE PROPERTY, I COULD SEE IT PRETTY WELL.
BUT YEAH, THE SHADOWS ARE, ARE MESSED UP.
LISA DID BRING UP A GOOD QUESTION.
DID Y'ALL LOOK AT, OR DID, DID YOU DISCUSS TABBY STUCCO? WE DID, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK IN THE, IN THE FILES.
IT WAS, THERE WAS, WE DIDN'T GET VERY FAR WITH IT.
AND ACTUALLY IT CAME UP IN CHARLOTTE'S REPORT LAST TIME, BUT IT, THAT WAS A WHILE AGO.
AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH, WITH IT COMING BACK FOR THAT AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A, I DO HAVE A DRAWING WITH TABBY STUCK ON.
BUT WE DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT BACK TO HERE FOR THAT, SO YEAH.
BUT YOU COULDN'T GET THE RESET STILL JUST, YEAH.
SO WHEN WE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, CAN'T GET THE RECESS.
AT THAT POINT YOU'D BE FINISHING THE WHOLE HOUSE AND TABBY STUCCO INSTEAD OF THE BRICK, WHICH RIGHT.
WHICH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AS A LAYPERSON? YES.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY SINCE THE, SINCE THE INSET IS A THIN BRICK, IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUST REMOVE THE THIN BRICK? IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING TO REMOVE THE THIN BRICK AND REPLACE IT WITH FULL BRICK AND THE FULL ROW LOCK.
SO THEY, THEY WOULD TAKE OFF THE THIN BRICK AND THEN THE FULL BRICK.
DOES THAT THEN BECOME, IS THAT ALLOWED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT STILL BECOMES, IT'S STILL NONCONFORMING, UM, TO THE UDO.
BUT YOU CAN USE THE CORRECT, YOU CAN USE THE BRICK YEAH.
IT HAS TO BE LOCALLY SOURCED OR
WE'VE ALLOWED BRICK IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, UM, COMING FROM SOUTHEAST GEORGIA.
SOME PRODUCTS THAT HAVE AND HAVE THE COLOR TONES THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR OUR AREA.
WELL, ON THAT, ARE THESE COLOR TONES ACCEPTABLE? IN MY OPINION, YES.
THAT SAVANNAH GRAY KIND OF COLORED COLOR, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A WIRE CUT BRICK, IT'S NOT A RED BRICK.
SO DOES THE U THE UDO ALLOW IT, IT TO JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S SITTING ON JUST A BIG BRICK FOUNDATION WITHOUT THE INSETS? WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEIR ORIGINAL DETAIL WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, AND NOT CREATE THAT CONDITION.
SO THEY HAD ORIGINALLY DETAILED IT, YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT WITH THE MORE TRADITIONAL LOOK, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SLAB ON GRADE, UM, BECAUSE THE SLAB WAS POURED ALL THE WAY OUT AND THEN DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE RECESSES AND YOU CAN'T REALLY GO BACK AND CUT THE RECESSES IN.
YOU KINDA HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE DOWN AND START OVER AT THIS POINT TO GET THAT IS WHERE WE'RE SORT OF HAVING THE DISCUSSION OF WAS ACCEPTABLE GIVEN THOSE CONDITIONS ON THIS PROJECT TO ALLOW THEM TO FINISH THE PROJECT.
IF, IF I MAY, THERE THERE IS A SECTION IN THE, IN THE UDO THAT DOES, IT DOES TALK ABOUT FOUNDATION WALLS AND IT DOES SAY EXPOSED FOUNDATION WALLS BELOW THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION SHALL BE BRICK DONE IN BOND PATTERNS PAINTED A BRICK.
ABBY STUCCO OR STUCCO OVER BLOCK OR CONCRETE SAND FINISH.
THAT'S THE GENERAL REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING BETWEEN WHAT PATTERNS? BOND PATTERN BOND, WHICH IS LIKE RUNNING BOND OR, YEAH.
SO THE, THEN THE ROAD LOCK IS THE THING THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS NOT PART OF NO, THE THE ROAD LOCK IS, IT'S A, IT'S A CAB.
IT'S NOT HOW HOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL GRADE AROUND THAT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE? IS THAT THE TYPICAL GRADE OR IT'LL BE HIGHER.
LIKE HOW MUCH BREAK ARE WE GONNA SEE? I GUESS IN MY QUESTION.
OH, IT RIGHT THERE I THINK 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A GRADE BACK TO THE, TO THE ROAD.
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ROWS PLUS FOUNDATION PLANNINGS.I MEAN IT'S, YOU'RE, SO, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT TO HERE.
SO YOU'RE HERE AND WE, YOU HAD THE, THE FOUNDATION PLAN WAS, OR THE, SORRY, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS IN HERE ON ONE OF THESE SLIDES.
AND IT'S, THEY ACTUALLY ADDED, ADDED TO IT.
BUT, SO SINCE THOSE THIN BRICKS ARE LIKE A VENEER ON THE INSET, LIKE IF YOU WERE JUST TO REMOVE THEM, THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT THE, LIKE THE BOARDS KIND OF LIKE A VENEER ON TOP OF LIKE, ON TOP OF THAT? NO, BECAUSE THE, TO GIVE US THAT LOOK, THE PLANE THAT THE SKIRT BOARD IS ABOVE, IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY AT THE SAME PLANE THAT THE HOG FENCING WOULD BE.
SO THE, THE INTENT ORIGINALLY WAS THIS BLUE LINE HERE THAT THE, THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT FACE OF THOSE, THE HOG BOARDS AND THE BRICK AND ALL THAT ALIGNS WITH THE EXTERIOR WALL.
THAT'S THE INTENT RIGHT NOW, THOSE BOARDS WOULD BE OUT WHERE MY CURSOR IS HERE, OUT HERE WHERE THE BRICK IS.
SO WAS THE BRICK, RIGHT? AND THE BRICK, THAT'S WHERE THE BRICK IS NOW.
THE BRICK WILL BE, AND IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THE EXTERIOR WALL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT.
SO IF YOU PAINTED THE HOG BOARDS DARK AND THE BAND BOARD ABOVE IT WHITE, IT MIGHT SORT OF START TO TRICK THE EYE, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY FLUSH.
IT'S GONNA LOOK MORE FORCED THAT WAY THAN, THAN HAVING A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE READY TO TAKE A VOTE? I MEAN, IS IT, DOES SOMEONE WANNA PUT FORWARD A MOTION? UH, DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE? DOES THAT MEAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A DISCUSSION ON ANY OTHER ELEMENTS TO LANDSCAPE PRIVACY FENCE, UM, OR THE PAVING? I THINK THE PAVING IS ALL RIGHT WITH ME AS LONG AS WE'RE GETTING TOWN STORM WATER APPROVAL ON THAT.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ON THE, ON THE FENCE AS LONG AS IT COMES DOWN TO SIX.
MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, I WOULD, YES, IF I MAY JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS TO, UH, THERE ARE TWO, PRIMARILY TWO THINGS THAT STAFF HAS REQUESTED FROM Y'ALL.
A, THAT THE SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION IS AN ACCEPTABLE CONFIGURATION.
AND THEN ALSO THE BRICK CHOICE IS ARCHITECTURALLY COMPATIBLE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THERE ARE ALSO THOSE OTHER TWO CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.
SO MOVE DETERMINATION INTO CONSIDERATIONS OR CONDITIONS.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE DETERMINATION THAT THE, UM, RECONFIGURED ALB, BRICK FOUNDATION AND BRICK TYPE ARE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS AS SET FORTH BY STAFF FOR THE PRI HEIGHT OF THE PRIVACY EVENTS AND THE, UM, STORMWATER APPROVAL FOR THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO IT IS APPROVED, UM, AS STATED.
[VII.2. 34 Thomas Heyward Street: A request by Jason Alexander, Applicant and Property Owner, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District (Demolition), to allow the demolition of an existing house located at 34 Thomas Heyward Street (Parcel R610 039 00A 0023 0000) in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District. The house, known as the Nellie and Leroy Brown Cottage, is a Contributing Resource to the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood Conservation-Historic District (NCV-HD). (COFA-04-25-019719) (Staff-Glen Umberger)]
THIS IS 34 THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.SO THIS IS ANOTHER OLD BUSINESS.
UH, THIS IS 34 THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.
JUST TO REMIND YOU, THIS IS FOR AN APPROVAL FOR KOFA TO ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF THE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE KNOWN AS THE NELLIE AND LEROY BROWN COTTAGE, UH, LOCATED AT 34 THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.
UM, TO REMIND YOU AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION WAS FIRST HEARD ON JULY 3RD AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HPC.
UM, FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION, AGAIN, YOUR CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH, UM, AND THE ZONING AND LOCATION MAP TO SHOW YOU WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.
UM, AT THE JULY 3RD MEETING, HPC TOOK THE FOLLOWING ACTION, UM, BY POSTPONING
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THE DECISION FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS, UM, UNDER THE, UH, PURSUANT TO SECTION THREE 18 B2.UM, AT THE MEETING YOU ALSO ASKED FOR A, UM, STRUCTURAL, UM, CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT REPORT TO BE PROVIDED.
OF CHARLESTON PROVIDED THAT REPORT.
UM, AND IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AS ATTACHMENT NUMBER 15.
UM, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT, UM, STAFF WOULD ALSO WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ANY, UM, FUTURE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE SEPARATE KOFA.
UM, DEMOLITION WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO, UH, COMPLY WITH ANY GUIDELINES APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
AND THE DEMOLITION, AGAIN, DOES NOT REMOVE THE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE FROM THE LIST OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, I'LL ASK MAYBE A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION, A STATEMENT I'LL STATE MAYBE.
UM, I APPRECIATE MATTERS COMING IN.
I THINK THEY DID A THOROUGH REPORT, UM, ON THE FIRST THREE PAGES I FELT REALLY WAS THEIR THOUGHT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN IT WAS MORE BACKUP OF OTHER REPORTS SENT TO THEM, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE.
AND I COMPARED IT WITH THE LAST THREE MATTERS REPORTS, GARVIN GARVEY, SARAH RILEY HOOKS, UM, JUST TO SEE, THEY SAID THE FOUNDATION WAS STABLE.
UM, THOMAS HAYWARD, AND THEY SAID THE EXTERIOR, UM, WAS IN GENERALLY IN SOUND CONDITION, AND THEY GAVE A A LIST OF TO-DOS.
SO TO ME, COMPARED TO THE OTHERS, WHICH WAS RECONSTRUCT, UM, I WISH THEY WOULD'VE GONE THAT WAY.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS COULD BE RECONSTRUCTED LIKE JENKINS HOUSE, GARVIN GARVEY, GRAVE'S HOUSE, UM, SARAH RILEY HOOKS.
UM, AND IT JUST SHOWS EVEN WHAT NIKKI SAID AT HER PUBLIC COMMENT, THE DESIRE TO KEEP THESE.
UM, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD REPORT.
UM, I DID TAKE KIND OF NOTE WHEN THEY SAID THAT ROAD, THAT STREET WAS CHANGING.
IT IS A ONE STORY STREET WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE LAND AND OAK KIND OF CONCLAVE.
SO THAT PART I WAS KIND OF CONFUSED ON.
BUT, UM, BUT I DO WANT, YOU KNOW, I READ, I READ THAT REPORT FROM PAGE ONE TO THE END.
UM, SO TO ME THE FOUNDATION IS KEY AND THE RECONSTRUCTION COULD EASILY BE DONE, UM, OF SOME SORT, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE TOWN'S DONE.
SO JUST TO KEEP THAT, UM, AND TO KEEP IT A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, I WOULD, I, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
WE HAVE JENKINS HOUSE IS GOING TO ONE, AND I SAW SARAH RILEY HOOKS IS STILL GONNA BE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, SO MM-HMM.
UM, THOSE ARE JUST MY FAULTS REALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A QUESTION IN THERE.
I JUST, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FINDINGS, FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I WOULD JUST SECOND AND STATE THAT I AGREE.
UM, IT'S GREAT THAT THE FOUNDATION IS GOOD.
RECONSTRUCTION IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, SHOULD BE LOOKED AT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE WANNA, WE WANNA KEEP OUR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES HERE IN BLUFFTON.
UM, AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST A HISTORIC, AS I STATED BEFORE, UM, BUILDING IT, IT ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THE GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE, UH, AS WELL, WHICH IS A CULTURE THAT IS BEING WIPED OUT BASED ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO I STAND WITH WHAT I STATED BEFORE IN REGARDS TO, WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN.
BUT I FEEL THAT IT IS A, A STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO REMAIN.
UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU LET THE APPLICANT PROVIDE THEIR POSITION ON THIS.
UM, BEFORE THERE BE, BEFORE THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ABSOLUTELY THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
UM, JASON ALEXANDER, UH, I'M THE APPLICANT.
MY WIFE CARRIE IS HERE, UH, IF HER NAME'S ON THE APPLICATION, BUT SHE'S CLEARLY THE APPLICANT.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORTERS' REPORT OR CAN I ASK YOU TO REFER TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE METTER REPORT? THAT'S A SLIDE, BUT I CAN, I HAVE IT.
SO YEAH, IF SOMEONE COULD, I'LL, I'LL RESPOND TO THE, RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS.
WELL, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE STREET, THERE ARE MOBILE HOME, THERE ARE TWO SINGLE STORY HOMES.
AND THEN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE NOT COUNTING THE SUBDIVISION, THE LAND AND OAK
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SUBDIVISION, THERE ARE FIVE NEWER, ONE AND A HALF OR TWO STORY HOMES, WHICH IS WHAT LED THE REPORT, UH, STATING THAT IT'S CHANGING BECAUSE THERE'S FRANKLY MORE OF THE LARGER HOMES THAN THERE ARE THE SINGLE STORE.ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT LAND THAT WAS CLEARED? TALKING ABOUT THOMAS HAYWARD STREET.
STREET, THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A STREET, BUT THE STREET.
UH, SO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE FOUNDATION, THE PILLARS MIGHT BE SOUND.
IF YOU, IF YOU READ THE CONCLUSION AND MY EYES AREN'T GREAT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO, WELL LOOK DOWN.
SO THE FIRST STATEMENT'S ABOUT IT BEING IN A CHANGING AREA OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WAS WHY THE REPORT STATED, WAS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE NONS SINGLE STORY HOUSES ON THAT STREET THAN SINGLE STORY HOUSES.
UM, WHAT THE REPORT, WHAT I READ THE REPORT TO BE IN THE CONCLUSION IS YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE CHOICES, AND I'M GONNA SKIP DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN TEAR IT DOWN.
YOU CAN TAKE THESE SALVAGEABLE PIECES OF MATERIAL OFF OF IT, TEAR IT DOWN, AND BUILD A REPLICA.
AND THE SALVAGEABLE PIECES ARE TWO WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION ON THE SHED BACK AREA, TWO WINDOWS.
IT'S POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T SEE IT AND THEY COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THERE WAS VINYL SIDING ON THE HOUSE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IF YOU REMOVE THE VINYL SIDING, THAT SOME OF THE WOOD SIDING COULD BE SALVAGEABLE.
THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THAT.
AND AND FRANKLY, I HOPE THERE IS, THERE'S SOME SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING.
NOTHING ELSE IN THAT BUILDING IS SALVAGEABLE.
DOES NOT SAY THAT THE STRUCTURAL IF, IF STRUCTURAL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE PILLARS, WHICH CAN'T BE USED BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROPER STRUCTURAL SUPPORT.
WHAT, WHAT I THINK WAS BEING REFERRED TO WAS THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT FALLING DOWN RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SITTING SIDEWAYS, BUT ALL THE STRUCTURAL UNDERPINNING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
ALL THE FLOOR NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
ALL THE ROOF SUPPORT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
EVERY SUPPORT STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
AND FRANKLY, THAT'S HOW THE MIERS FOLKS, WHEN THEY REVIEWED IT WITH ME, READ IT, SAID IT TO ME WAS, THIS HOUSE IS GONE EXCEPT FOR TWO WINDOWS.
AND YOU MIGHT GET LUCKY AND FIND SOME, SOME WOODSIDE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU DIDN'T BUY IT AS IS, DID YOU PUT A CONTRACT ON IT, SITE UNSEEN,
I THINK I, I HEARD YOU WERE SO EXCITED OVER THE, THE RESOURCE GOING, IT IS A DESIRE FOR THIS TOWN TO KEEP THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TO KEEP CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES.
AND I KNOW THIS IS HARD ON Y'ALL, BUT IT WAS THERE, IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND IT WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT.
BUT I'VE LOST WHERE THE TWO DESIRED.
SO GLEN IS SOME, I CAN ALSO SAY AS SOMEONE WHO HAS REHABILITATED A BUILDING THAT'S IN WOR THAT WAS IN WORSE SHAPE THAN YOURS, IT'S DOABLE.
SO A COMMENT MADE BY MEADOWS WAS, THIS IS IN THE SAME CONDITION IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE BUILDING THAT THE TOWN JUST TORE DOWN.
BUT THEY'RE RECONSTRUCTING A DUPLICATE.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT, AND THAT WAS THE, THAT'S A DIFFERENT COFA THAT'S THAT, THAT COULD OCCUR IN THE FUTURE UNDER A DIFFERENT TOFA IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
WHICH WE MIGHT EXPLORE, BUT, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, IT'S STRICTLY A DEMOLITION APPLICATION.
AND BECAUSE IF WE DID WHAT WAS LISTED HERE, WHICH IS NOT EXHAUSTIVE, IT SAYS THAT THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE.
WHICH AGAIN, WE ARE OPEN TO THAT CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S NOT IN THIS REQUEST TONIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT HARD, I THINK, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GET THROUGH THIS REQUEST TO GET TO IF WHATEVER WAY IT GOES.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS LESS AT SARAH RILEY HOOKS IF I WATCHED THE MEETING CORRECTLY AND IT'S GETTING REPRODUCED, WHICH IS SOMETHING I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN.
UM, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT IT'S RECONSTRUCTED, BUT IT ALWAYS WILL BE A, IT WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE UNTIL TOWN COUNCIL SAYS OTHERWISE UNTIL, IF, IF TOWN COUNCILS TO GO.
OTHERWISE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF MY QUESTION IS TO GLEN OR OR TO YOU, THIS APPLICATION IS STRICTLY A DEMOLITION APPLICATION THAT SHOULD NOT FACTOR IN THE DECISION TO REBUILD OR NOT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK IT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY A MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR ME.
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FOR THE DEMOLITION OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.WE HAVE CERTAIN, HPC HAS CERTAIN CRITERIA UNDER WHICH IT NEEDS TO ANALYZE THAT.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY THAT CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE IS A, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE A RECREATION ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION UNDER ONE OF THE FACTORS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
SO, BUT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SUCCINCTLY AS I CAN THOUGH, IT'S, THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY AS TO THE DEMOLITION.
BUT, SO THERE'S NO SCENARIO THOUGH, AGAIN, THE WAY I READ THIS REPORT, THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE THE BUILDING DOESN'T GET DEMOLISHED, EVEN IF THERE'S A REPLICA BUILT.
THE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD PULL THE TWO WINDOWS OFF, PULL THE PIECES OF WOOD OFF, SET THEM ASIDE, THE BUILDING WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
AND THEN IF A REPLICA IS BUILT EITHER ON THAT EXACT LOCATION OR SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY, THOSE PIECES OF MATERIAL WOULD BE USED FOR THAT REBUILD.
I IF WE VOTE TO DEMOLISH, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT ITS HISTORICAL RELEVANCE OR THIS LIKE, IS IT GONE BECAUSE WE TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING? YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDPOINT, IF YOU TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT, THE CHARACTER OF IT, EVEN IF AN EXACT REPLICATE IS REBUILT, IT'S GONE.
IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED A FACSIMILE OF IT.
THE, BUT IT'S ONLY, IT IS KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE.
SO AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS DONE, DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED OUT, NEW COMPONENTS ARE BROUGHT IN.
SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A FINE, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR WHITE LINE THAT DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN WHEN IT'S A REHABILITATED HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND WHEN IT'S A RECREATION.
UH, BUT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO THERE'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARDS, BUT THERE'S ALSO YOUR ORDINANCES.
SO WHAT YOU CAN DO LIKE HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE GARMAN GARVEY HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, A GREG'S HOUSE.
THAT ONE WAS A REHABILITATION GREG'S HOUSE, EVEN THE, UH, JOINER HOUSE THERE AT THE CORNER, WHICH WAS MORE OF A RECREATION.
THOSE WERE DESIGNATED AS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES UNDER YOUR LOCAL CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES LIST.
SO IT HAS THOSE SAME CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE PROTECTIONS.
SO YEAH, I, AGAIN, SHORT ANSWER, TORE DOWN DOES NOT BE PRESERVATION, UM, OF HISTORIC IN IN THEM SAYING, UM, THE, THE STREET IS CHANGING, ET CETERA.
UM, HOW MUCH MORE BLUFFING ARE WE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO CHANGE SO THAT IT'S NO, IT'S UNRECOGNIZABLE SO THAT IT, IT'S NOT WHAT IT ONCE WAS.
AND HIS HISTORY IS WIPED AWAY.
UM, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESERVATION.
UM, I I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME.
YOU, YOU SAID PRESERVATION AND THIS HOUSE HASN'T BEEN PRESERVED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE HOUSE ALSO WAS LIT.
SOMEONE WAS LIVING IN IT PRIOR TO HIM CLOSING ON IT.
SOMEONE WAS LIVING IN THE PROPERTY.
I HIGHLIGHTED THE STATEMENT THAT APPLIES TO THE MAYOR THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO IN TERMS OF SALVAGING AND REBUILDING.
IT STILL INVOLVES THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.
IT WASN'T A SCENARIO THAT THEY PAINTED IN THE CONCLUSION THAT DIDN'T DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
IT WAS JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE MATERIALS WERE PULLED OFF IN THE, IN A REPLICA IS BUILT OR NOT.
THOSE WERE THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE IN INTERESTED IN A REBUILD.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE IN THE SAME LOCATION OR IF IT COULD BE IN THE SAME LOCATION, DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE WATER.
YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING, YOU CAN'T SEE IT 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
WOULD YOU WANT TO MOVE A NEWER FACILITY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY SO THE COMMUNITY COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE BUILDING THAT WE WOULD BE TRYING TO, TO REPLICATE ALL OF THAT.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT WANTING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? 'CAUSE THAT THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU STATED BEFORE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT I SAID THE LAST TIME I CAME.
I ABSOLUTELY SAID THAT THE LAST TIME I CAME.
WE HAVE A GENUINE INTEREST IN THAT.
WE WERE GONNA RENOVATE BEFORE WE SAW THE INSIDE, HOW BAD IT WAS.
RENOVATE TWO BEDROOM HOUSE, LIVING IT WHILE WE BUILT THE, THE LONGER TERM HOME.
I WANNA ASK JUST FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE, SINCE IT WAS SO FRESH IN FEBRUARY, UH, SARAH RILEY HOOKS.
HELP ME QUICKLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING, BUT THE PROCESS OF, DID THE TOWN ASK FOR RECONSTRUCTION BEFORE DEMO? WHAT WAS THE PROCESS TO BE ASSURED THAT THE TOWN WOULD RECONSTRUCT? SO WITH THE SARAH HOOKS PROJECT BEING A PUBLIC PROJECT, THE PROCESS WAS DEMO
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THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THEN REBUILD A FACSIMILE THE ORIGINAL IN ITS SAME, SAME LOCATION ON THE SITE.AND IN THE SAME MEETING, IT, IT, YEAH, IT WAS GONNA BE ONE APPLICATION FOR BOTH.
SO THEY APPLIED TO DEMO AND RECONSTRUCT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU HOPE THERE'S TRUST AND I DO TRUST A LOT, BUT TO SAY WE DEMO AND THEN NOT HAVE SOME GUARANTEE THERE'D BE A RECONSTRUCT.
WE, WE WOULD, IF THE, IF IT WENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IF IT WAS VOTED DOWN THE DEMO, THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR A DEMO AND RECONSTRUCT IS THAT, HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? UM, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T SAY CONDITIONED UPON RECONSTRUCTING ON AN APPLICATION, JUST AS THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
IS THERE A RIGHT, IS THERE A PRIVATE WAY TO DO THAT WITH PRIVATE OWNERSHIP? THE UDO DOES NOT, AND COUNSEL COULD PROBABLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THERE'S NO VEHICLE IN THE U CURRENT UDO THAT MAKES THAT AS A REQUIREMENT OR A CONDITION FOR APPROVAL FOR A DEMOLITION.
BUT COULD THEY COME BACK WITH A DEMO IN A RECONSTRUCTION IN AN APPLICATION? I IMAGINE THAT WAS, I WANNA SAY THAT'S HOW THE, I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE JOINER HOUSE, HOW THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY JOINER WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO, AND PERHAPS IT COULD BE, AND IT'S, I REMEMBER WHEN TALKING ABOUT JOINER, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FACED WAS OUR UDO SPECIFIES REHABILITATION, EVEN DISCUSSES RELOCATION, I BELIEVE TO AN EXTENT ABOUT THIS FACSIMILE CREATION FROM SOMETHING THAT, THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THERE WAS NO CLEAR PROCESS OR METHOD.
I WANT, I'M, I, LISTEN, I JUST HAD ANOTHER I PEPPERS PORCH THINK THAT WHILE YOURE, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CENTER, THAT WAS ANOTHER, THAT WAS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IT WAS A RELOCATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
NOW WHAT'S, WHAT WE CALL RELOCATION AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AT JOINER, FOR EXAMPLE, AND PRACTICE WAS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, NOW, AND, AND ALSO, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE UDO DOES NOT PERMIT RECONSTRUCTION.
IT'S WOULD BE TREATED AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THE OLD BUILDING, BUT IT'S TREATED AS RECONSTRUCTION.
AND EVEN IF HE KEPT THE BUILDING, ANYTHING THAT HE DOES TO THE BUILDING WOULD REQUIRE BUILDING, BRING IT UP TO CURRENT BUILDING CODE.
WHICH MAY NECESSARILY TAKING THE BUILDING DOWN TO PUT A NEW FOUNDATION UNDER IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE INTO AT SQUIRE POPE.
WE HAD TO PUT, PICK UP THE HOUSE, PUT A NEW FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH IT, BUT IN THE PLAN.
'CAUSE IN THE STAFF REPORT IT DID SAY RECONSTRUCTION.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD ON SARAH RILEY HOOKS, IT DID TALK ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CIP WAS CALLING IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE WORD TO USE, BUT I JUST, WE'VE ALL SEEN IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST NAMED SOME THAT YOU DON'T WANNA GO INTO DETAIL ON, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT WE JUST NEED THAT UNDERSTANDING DEMOLISHED.
AND IT, AND IT'S GONE AND MAY BE RECONSTRUCTION AND MAY BE RELOCATING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A PLAN TO RECONSTRUCT AND THAT SITE EXPLICIT MATTERS IN THIS REPORT SAYS THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO.
I CAN READ ALL THE THING, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE TWO WINDOWS, AND I'M READING WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED, IT APPEARS THAT THE TWO WINDOWS AND PERHAPS SOME WOOD SIDING REMAINING UNDER THE VINYL SIDING ARE THE ONLY MATERIAL THAT COULD BE SAFELY SALVAGED.
THE REMAINDER OF THE STRUCTURE COULD THEN BE DEMOLISHED.
THE REUSABLE MATERIALS, IT'S REPAIR, REPLACED, REPAIR, THE REUSABLE MATERIALS ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED AND NO STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS ARE SALVAGEABLE.
THE PROCESS BELOW IS ONLY A BRIEF OUTLINE FOR RESTORING THE STRUCTURE TO HABITABLE CONDITION.
AND IS IN NO WAY COMPREHENSIVE OR IN ANY SEQUENCE FOR EXECUTION AS THE ENTIRE BUILDING WOULD NEED TO BE STRUCTURALLY REBUILT.
THIS WOULD BE A VERY COSTLY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THAT MEANS YOU WOULD TAKE THE TWO WINDOWS AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF BOARDS AND SET THEM ASIDE AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING AND USE THOSE TWO WINDOWS AND WHATEVER BOARDS YOU SALVAGE IN THAT NEW BUILDING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.
I ANSWERED IT WAS CAN YOU CONDITION DEMOLITION ON RE RECREATION? AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN.
I THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO IS UNDER SUBSECTION C, YOU CAN CONCEIVABLY DENY THIS BECAUSE IT FAILS TO MEET THE CRITERIA.
'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES OTHER THAN DEMOLITION
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THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SUBSTANCE AND ACTUAL BASIS TO FIND THAT, UH, IF Y'ALL BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE OUT THERE THAT EXISTS, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE RECREATION AS TOWN STAFF IS BROUGHT UP, THAT IT HAS TO BE TREATED.'CAUSE IT'S NOT A FAITHFUL PRESERVATION RECREATION'S TREATED AS A, ANY OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD COME THROUGH.
SO YOU HAD, IN THEORY, YOU COULD HAVE THOSE TWO APPLICATIONS GOING SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT THERE CAN BE NOTHING BINDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF BUILDING THE NEW BUILDING EVEN AFTER THE DEMOLITION OF THE FIRST.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HUNG UP, HUNG UP ON, IS THERE'S NO, I MEAN, YES, TO THE APPLICANT'S POINT, THE AMOUNT OF SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL IS NOT ENOUGH TO SAVE THE BUILDING.
IT COULD BE RECONSTRUCTED, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE THING ALTOGETHER.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN BUILDINGS IN BLUFFTON THAT HAVE FOLLOWED THAT PROCESS AS LAID OUT, AND WERE BASICALLY REBUILT FROM THE INSIDE OUT THOUGH, WHICH IS WHAT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD ARE KIND OF RELAYING.
AND THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
AND, UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME NOW, AND IT'S FULL OF STORIES AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPE TO SAVE IN OUR DISTRICT ARE ARE THESE STORIES IN THESE HOMES.
SO, SO I I JUST A REMINDER OF A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, THIS I I'M HOLDING DOCUMENTS, SAY THIS IS A HAZARDOUS BUILDING THAT SHOULD BE TORN DOWN, WHICH CREATES PART A FOR MY WIFE AND I, AND A REMINDER, NOT THE COMMISSION'S PROBLEM.
WE ARE SITTING HERE TODAY WITHOUT INSURANCE ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT BUILDING IS A HAZARDOUS BUILDING SITTING ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE SCENARIO WHICH WE'RE OPEN TO OF REBUILDING, WE'RE OPEN TO IT, BUT WE'RE, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC TO HAVE THAT BUILDING SIT THERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY MORE MONTHS WHILE WE DEVELOP, IF WE WERE, AND WHILE WE WERE DEVELOPING A PLAN TO REBUILD A RECREATION OF IT, EITHER AT THAT SAME SPOT OR ELSEWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT GONNA RESULT IN IT NOT BEING DEMOLISHED AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THE TWO WINDOWS WOULD COME OFF, WHICH WE'RE DOING.
WE WOULD PULL THE VINYL SIDING OFF.
WE WOULD PULL THE PIECES OF WOOD SIDING THAT WERE SALVAGEABLE AND SET THEM ASIDE IN A COVERED, SAFE PLACE.
THAT SCENARIO SHOULD OCCUR REGARDLESS OF, AND I THINK WITH THE WAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION IS LEANING IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PARALLEL PROCESS OF HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE TO RECONSTRUCT IT, KNOWING THAT IT'S GONNA BE, BE DEMOLISHED, BUT THAT THE, THE HISTORY OF IT WILL BE SAVED SOMEHOW RATHER THAN A FUTURE PROMISE.
WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, UH, JUST GO OFF YOUR WORD.
WE HAVE TO, I'M NOT STANDING HERE COMMITTING, REBUILDING, NOT, I'M NOT AND THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED, WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE PROCESS BECAUSE THIS IS STEP ONE OF THE PROCESS, AND I THINK THAT'S THE HANG UP WITH US IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING THAT YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE STEP PART OF STEP ONE WOULD BE TO HAVE A PLAN TO REBUILD IT SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
ARE YOU SAYING SAY THERE'S A PLAN OR ACTUALLY HAND YOU A PLAN? I MEAN, JUST BASED ON MY LIMITED INTERACTION, THAT'S A SIX TO 12 MONTH PROCESS SUBMITTING A PLAN WHILE THAT BUILDING SITS THERE, IT'S EXPOSED RISK BEING TORN DOWN ANYWAY.
THE OUTCOME IS THE EXACT SAME.
SO DENYING IT DOESN'T SAVE THE BUILDING DOESN'T ACCOMP.
NO, BUT IT'S, IT'S SAVING US THE OPTION THAT WE KNOW IT WILL BE REBUILT IN THE FUTURE.
I CAN'T COMMIT WITH, I DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO HAND YOU.
AND THEN I I WE'RE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'VE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW TO THE AREA AND DON'T EVEN PROBABLY RECALL THE NAMES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT GLEN HAS BEEN HERE FROM PROBABLY SINCE WE'VE DONE, YOU WEREN'T HERE GARVIN GARVEY.
BUT I THINK HE'S A GREAT HELP ON HOW TO DO IT, BECAUSE I KNOW THE TOWN HAS TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AS ANYONE ELSE.
SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT ANYONE ELSE THAT STANDS BEFORE US DOES RILEY HOOKS OR YEAH, THE TOWN STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE AND PUT A FENCE UP.
AND HAVE WE STABILIZED TO SAY WE'VE ALSO GONE ON PROPERTY AND OWNED THE BREWING HOUSE AND HAVE
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REQUIRED THEM TO, TO MAKE IT SAFE AND DRY.UM, I CAN PUT A FENCE AROUND IT.
I'M, I'M JUST GOING, HE, I THINK GLEN WOULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE TO HELP FIGURE OUT THIS, THIS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE IN, DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE FIGURING.
I'M CONFUSED BY, WELL, I CAN'T APPROVE A DEMO IF I, I MEAN, LOOK WHAT WE WENT THROUGH EARLIER AND EVERYONE HAS THE BEST OF INTENTIONS AND THIS HOUSE, HONESTLY, THAT'S WHY, LET ME FINISH, PLEASE.
THIS HOUSE WAS LISTED THAT IT WAS A RESOURCE AND IT COULDN'T BE TORN DOWN.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH, IT'S GOTTA BE TORN DOWN AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RELOCATED OR AT THE SAME SPOT.
I, I, I JUST CAN'T WITHOUT SOME YOU TEAR.
YOU CAN TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD FOUR, FOUR BIG GIANT HOMES JUST LIKE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR UNIT DID AS FAR LIKE, LIKE THE ATTORNEY JUST SAID, IF YOU TEAR IT DOWN WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN OF RECOURSE FOR THAT HOME, THEN YOU CAN JUST DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AT THAT POINT, THE HISTORICAL VALUE IS GONE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HUNG UP.
AND WE WOULD NEED TO SEE JUST YOUR, WHAT YOUR NEXT STEP IS WHEN ONCE YOU TEAR IT DOWN, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE A PLAN.
HERE'S THE DRAWINGS OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THAT APPLICATION PROCESS AND GET WITH STAFF ON WHAT IS, AND HOW DO WE DO THIS? HOW CAN WE DO THIS TOGETHER TO GIVE HPCA, UH, THE COMFORT THAT SOMETHING WILL BE REPLACED.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I LIKE THE RELOCATED PART, BUT I'LL LISTEN TO Y'ALL, UM, TO KEEP THAT, HAVING AN ADDRESS THAT SAYS, THIS IS A HISTORIC RESOURCE.
I, I BELIEVE IN PRESERVATION AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THESE HOUSES.
AND I, AND I HATE THIS IS COMING BEFORE US BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLAN TO EVEN SHOW YOU HAVE THAT LOVE OF THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN TO WANNA KEEP THIS HOUSE.
AND I, WE WOULD, THIS HOUSE COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO PULLING EVERY PIECE OF SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL OFF, WHICH IS TWO WINDOWS AND SOME WOOD SIDING AND, AND WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING A PLAN TO REPLACE IT.
WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT IT'S GOING TO, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER A REBUILD OCCURS OR NOT.
BUT WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, YOU CAN STAND HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S DEMOLISHED AND THEN THAT NEVER HAPPENS AND THE HISTORY IS GONE.
SO, SO PERSONALLY AS A, AS A COMMUNITY LEADER, SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HERE AND HAD SEEN OUR TOWN CHANGE, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY, YEAH, DEMOLISH IT.
AND WE'LL JUST TAKE YOUR WORD.
I'M NOT ASKING, I'M NOT GIVING YOU MY WORD AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE ON IT, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
I MEAN, IF I'M A AND WE HAVE, WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE AND I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
UH, BUT UNDER YOUR AGENDA, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, FOR THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL ADVICE, I MAY, I RECOMMEND THAT Y'ALL LET THE CHAIR ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE RECEIPT OF LEGAL TO THIS PENDING MATTER.
WE GOOD? I MOVE, I MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PER OUR ATTORNEY'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, NOW THAT WE ARE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE DID NOT TAKE ANY VOTES.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST START WITH THE COMMISSION ON ONE END AND HAVE EVERYBODY STATE THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO VOTE.
SO JIM, UM, YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE WAS ACTUALLY LIVING IN THIS HOUSE THIS YEAR, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
LIKE IT, THERE'S A WHOLE SUMMER OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH WITH THE HOUSE THAT IT'S WORSE OFF THAN IT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO.
BUT JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, HIM, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I THINK MEERS DID A GREAT REPORT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION BEING SOUND, AND THEN THEY GAVE US A REALLY GOOD TO-DO LIST OF THE DEFIC DEFICIENCIES, UM, AND LAID OUT A CLEAR PATH FOR ME.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN TOWN WHERE THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN STRUCTURAL PORTS AND, AND PICTURES OF ROTTED WOOD AND MOLD IN INSIDE.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFULLY, UH, IN SOME CASES RELOCATED AND SOME OTHERS, UM,
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YOU KNOW, REPAIRED IN PLACE, UM, AND FIXED UP AND, AND TURNED INTO REALLY NICE, UM, CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE TOWN.AND I THINK THAT THE MEADOWS REPORT KIND OF LAYS OUT A PATHWAY TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THEN JUST AT THE END SAYS THAT A MORE PRACTICAL WAY, UH, WOULD BE TO TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER.
AND, AND I, I THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY AN ALTERNATIVE THERE, WHICH IS TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND, AND EFFORT AND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATE THE STRUCTURE LIKE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE.
UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY BASICALLY STATE THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN STA STATED.
THE REPORT WAS, UM, PUT TOGETHER VERY WELL.
I CAN APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY WENT IN AND SAID THAT THE FOUNDATION IS SOUND, THERE ARE SOME SALVAGE OR POPE PARTS.
UM, BUT THEN GIVING A GUIDELINE OF THINGS THAT COULD BE REPLACED, REPAIRED, REPLACED, REPAIRED, TELLS ME THAT THERE COULD BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN DEMOLITION.
UM, MY PREVIOUS COUNCIL, PEOPLE HAVE SAID BEFORE, THERE IS A PATH FORWARD.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS REPORT THAT SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED OR DEMOLISHED.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THEY LAY OUT A PATH FORWARD AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS REHABILITATED TWO BUILDINGS, TWO HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING, TWO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THIS BUILDING.
ONE OF THEM IN FAR WORSE CONDITION THAN YOURS IS A COLLAPSED ROOF, CINDER BLOCKS SEPARATING, NO FOOTING, NO NOTHING.
UM, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT'S DOABLE AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF HEART AND UM, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.
AND THESE STRUCTURES ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS TOWN.
EVERYBODY THAT WALKS TO GO GET ALL JOY DONUTS WALKS BY THAT LITTLE YELLOW, THAT LITTLE YELLOW HOUSE AND LOOKS AT IT AND LOOKS AT THE BIG PROPERTY AND THINKS ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT USED TO LIVE THERE, IT IS, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S A LANDMARK IN THIS BUILDING FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS EVER BEEN TO THE DONUT SHOP OR ON THEIR WAY TO, TO THE PIER, EXCUSE ME, TO THE DOCK.
UM, I THINK IT'S WORTH SAVING.
I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION THEN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION, UH, AS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, MAYBE TO ADD THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS BASED ON THE MATTER'S REPORT OF WAYS TO, UM, CORRECT THE DEFICIENCIES, PLEASE.
[VIII.1. 215 Goethe Road: A request by Phil Madhere, Applicant, on behalf of Miguel Loarca (Leonex Construction Group), Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow construction of a three-story mixed use Main Street Building (approximately 2,775 SF) and detached Carriage House (approximately 528 SF) located at 215 Goethe Road, Lot 7. The property is within the Old Town Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood Core-Historic District (NC-HD). (COFA-04-25-019686) (Staff -Charlotte Moore)]
ALL RIGHT.WE'RE MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
UH, THIS IS A, A KOFA REQUEST FROM APPLICANT PHIL, UH, MEIER FOR PROPERTY, UH, PROPERTY OWNER LEON X CONSTRUCTION GROUP.
THEY ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 2,900 SQUARE FEET AND A NEW CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1,060 SQUARE FEET.
LOCATED AT TWO 15 GOTHE ROAD IN OLD TOWN, UH, BLUFFTON.
IT'S IN THE GOTHE ROAD OR MAY RIVER ROAD DEVELOPMENT PLANT IN THE PROPERTY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD CORE.
HERE'S THE PROPERTY AT, YOU SEE HERE IN THE STAR ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF GOTHE ROAD.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THESE, UH, THE, THE TREE, THE VEGETATIVE AREA.
IT'S THE, UH, CLEARED AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE WOULD BE AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
THE SECOND AND THIRD STORIES WOULD BE ONE DWELLING UNIT, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A GARAGE OR A CARRIAGE HOUSE LOCATED IN THE REAR PROPERTY.
UM, THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY EXTENDS BACK HERE, AND THEN THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
UM, KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A LANE, UM, FOR ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES.
UH, I HAVE OUTLINED IN YELLOW THERE, THE LOCATION OF THE SERVICE YARD FOR BOTH THE MAIN STRUCTURE IN A CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THE, UH, HVAC UNIT HERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED.
AND THEN THE HVAC UNITS HERE, UM, ARE PROPOSED TO BE SCREENED BY A SIX AND SIX AND A HALF FOOT, UH, SCREEN WALL, WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE SIX FEET.
SO I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
HERE IS THE ELEVATION THAT WOULD FACE, UH, GOTHE ROAD.
UH, THE, THE, UM, THE BUILDING IS PREDOMINANTLY, UH, PARTY PLANK, UH, IN
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SIDING AS WELL AS WITH THE TRIM.THE, UH, PORCH THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, HAS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, THAT MAY NEED TO CHANGE.
THE USE OF GALVANIZED WIRE IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE.
IT'S NOT AN ACCEPTED UDO MATERIAL OR RAILINGS.
AND ALSO, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF SHOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, UH, A 12 OVER THREE INSTEAD OF A TWO OVER 12.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE EXTENSIVE USE OF THE GALVANIZED WIRE.
THE, UM, ACCESS TO THE DWELLING UNIT WILL BE THROUGH AN EXTERIOR STAIRCASE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN HERE WITH THE PROPORTIONS.
UM, THE USE OF HORIZONTAL AND SQUARE WINDOWS.
WE DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS TO TRY TO, UH, SEE IF WE COULD GET THIS MORE PROPORTIONATE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WINDOW HEADER HEIGHTS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT TO STAFF.
HERE IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE IS A BLANK WALL HERE, BUT THE INTERIOR HAS SOME ISSUES RELATED TO THE FLOOR PLAN.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A BATHROOM AND A CLOSET IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS WHY THERE ARE NO WINDOWS.
UM, HAVE THE SECTION AVAILABLE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
AND THEN HERE'S THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, THE AREAS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE IS LOCATED RIGHT ON THE ACCESS EASEMENT AND THOSE ELEMENTS THAT SHED ROOF, THE TRELLIS ROOF ACTUALLY EXTEND INTO THAT ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, I DID NOT IDENTIFY THIS IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, I DID NOTICE THAT COMPOSITE, UM, GARAGE DOORS ARE PROPOSED AND SO THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE, UH, THAT MATERIAL.
THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS A DOOR AND THAT'S INCONSISTENTLY SHOWN.
UH, WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AN INTENT NOT TO HAVE ANY DOORS.
SO THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY THAT WILL NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
THE OTHER ELEVATIONS FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT FACING INTO THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
AND UH, THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION.
SOME SELECTED DETAILS RELATED TO THE SERVICE YARD AND THE RAILING IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT.
AGAIN, THERE ARE FOUR CRITERIA.
UM, THE FIRST ONE HAS BEEN MET.
IT WILL CONFORM WITH THE PRINCIPLES FOR THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN.
AND TWO, THREE, AND FOUR UH, WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE PROVIDED, UH, THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET AND DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE.
AND THESE ARE THE FINDINGS OF STAFF.
UM, THERE ARE THREE DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE.
ONE IS FOR THE GALVANIZED WIRE FOR THE PORCH RAILINGS.
UM, THE WINDOW CONFIGURATION ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NEED DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND ADDITIONALLY, A DETERMINATION REGARDED REGARDING THE USE OF COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOORS.
UM, STAFF CONDITIONS ARE PROPOSED, UH, THE GROUND FLOOR REAR PATIO.
UM, UH, THE AREA TO BE USED AS A SERVICE AREA HAS TO BE SCREENED TO COMPLY WITH, UH, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
UM, THE PLANS, AGAIN, SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
UM, REVISE ALL APPLICABLE PLAN SHEETS TO SHOW THE MAIN STRUCTURE PORT SHED ROOF WITH A THREE OVER 12 PITCH.
REMOVE THE SHED ROOF AND THE TRELLIS ROOF FROM THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SO THAT IT DOESN'T ENCROACH INTO THE EASEMENT.
AND THEN TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE BORDER DIRECTORS OF THE GOTHE ROAD, MAY RIVER ROAD ASSOCIATION.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF QUESTION? SURE.
UM, IN THE REPORT, CHARLOTTE, AND THAT WAS THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE CONDITION FROM THE BOARD OF THAT AREA, SHOULD YOU, DO YOU NORMALLY GET THAT LETTER WITH THE APPLICATION OR IS IT POST? I USUALLY HAVE THAT, I DID SPEAK TO THEM ON THE PHONE.
THEY'RE KIND OF VERY EL LOOSE ASSOCIATION.
UM, SO THEY'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE EASEMENT OKAY.
THAN THEY ARE THE ARCHITECTURE.
SO BEFORE WE WOULD, IF THIS IS APPROVED, BEFORE WE WOULD, UM, STAMP THE PLANS, WE'D WANT SOMETHING WRITTEN FOR.
AND THEN FINALLY, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE PLANS FOR THAT AREA.
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THE STORM WATER PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2007, BUT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE UPDATES.IS THAT SOMETHING I REMEMBER? I THINK THAT IT GOES RETROACTIVE IF WE HAD UPDATES TO STORMWATER OR DO WE DO THAT THROUGH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT? CORRECT.
WE WILL HAVE THEIR APPROVAL, UM, BEFORE THEY CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
THEY WILL NEED TO HAVE THEIR APPROVAL OF THE WATERSHED DEPARTMENT.
AND THANK YOU FOR USING A MAIN STREET BUILDING TYPE.
I LOVE NOT SEEING ADDITIONAL BUILDING TYPE ON THIS.
SO THAT'S JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.
UM, SO RIGHT NEXT TO IT, UM, NUMBER TWO 11 IS PLANTATION IRON.
THAT'S LIKE TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS 2 0 9, WHICH IS A THREE STORY BUILDING.
IS THIS BUILDING TALLER THAN THE THREE STORY BUILDING? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS REALLY TALL.
I, UM, SORRY, I HAD THAT EARLIER.
I I BELIEVE IT'S 36 FEET THERE.
AND I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT THE ADJACENT BUILDING HEIGHT IS, WHAT 2 0 9 IS.
I JUST, I WOULD BE, THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS THAT IT'S TALLER THAN THE BUILDINGS THAT IT'S NEXT TO.
AND UM, ALSO MY FAVORITE QUESTION, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR HANDICAP PARKING? UH, THERE IS, AND IT'S NOT THAT APPARENT, BUT IT DOES SAY, UM, A DA PARKING HERE.
AND WE DID TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT AS WELL, MAKING CERTAIN THAT THEY HAVE RAMP, THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE BUILDING FROM THE REAR.
AND, UH, IF THIS IS APPROVED WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT OR A BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL BE CERTAIN THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE FEDERAL LAW, PROVIDING THE STRIPING FOR THE ACCESS AISLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN BE LEFT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? CORRECT.
USUALLY THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S APPROVED BEFORE THIS, BUT THE WAY, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS STRUCTURED IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO, SO WE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S, THIS DOES NOT SEPARATELY GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION CORRECT.
FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? CORRECT.
AND THIS WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY? THE, UM, PREVIOUS, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN 2019 THAT IT WAS APPROVED AND THE EX THE APPROVAL EXPIRED.
SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME BUILDING.
THERE'S SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO YES.
I'M PHIL MADE, UM, THE APPLICANT.
I'M REPRESENTING THE NEXT CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, ARE THERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I DO.
CAN WE GO TO THE ELEVATIONS PLEASE? IS THERE A PARTICULAR ONE YOU WANT TO SEE? IT'S JUST A FRONT ELEVATION.
I, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS THAT, THERE WE GO.
UM, IS THAT FIRST FLOOR, IS THAT BRICK OR IS THAT, UH, NO, IT'S BORN BATON BECAUSE THERE LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN THE WALL SECTION, IT HASN'T BRICK.
AND THEN IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BRICK WATER TABLE ON TOP OF THAT.
THERE'S A NOTE THAT SAYS BRICK MOLD.
IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE, IT, IT, IT, YEAH.
BRICK PATTERN WAS CHANGED ON THAT.
WE, WE DID CHANGE PATTERN BRICK.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DESIRED TO DO OR, I SAW THAT WAS A HP RRC COMMENT THAT STAFF HAD BEEN PROVIDING WE HAD, CORRECT.
YEAH, WE, WE GOT RID OF THE BRICK AND THEY JUST, JUST GO FOR, MAN, WE HAVE BEEN OPEN TO APPROVING BRICK.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY, YOU KNOW, DEFINING LOCALLY SOURCED AS INTO SOUTHEAST GEORGIA.
UM, UH, SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, IT WOULD LOOK NICE ON THIS BUILDING AND GIVE IT A NICE SCALE.
UM, WELL WE WENT BACK JUST TO, UM, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER TO APPROVE, TO BE HONEST.
UM, JUST, BUT UM, I THINK WE'LL JUST STICK WITH THE BOARD BATTEN.
SO IF IT IS BORN BATTEN, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT BRICK DETAIL AND THAT IS ALSO NOT GONNA BE PROUD THE CLAIM BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOUR INCHES THICKER.
SO WE'LL STILL HAVE A CONDITION THAT THE DETAILING NEEDS TO BEATED SECTION NEED TO BE UPDATED.
UM, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE HBRC ABOUT LOWERING THE ROOF ON THAT BALCONY UP THERE.
SO YOU COULD GET A THREE 12 PITCH.
UH, I BELIEVE THE REVISED PLANS THAT WE HAVE DOES SHOW THE THREE 12 PITCH.
I, I THINK IF YOU JUST LOWER THAT HEAD, YOU COULD GET THAT THREE 12.
SO IT STILL LANDS UNDERNEATH THOSE WINDOWS ON THIRD FLOOR.
THE ONLY CONCERN THERE IS IF YOU LOWER IT, WE MIGHT GET INTO THE, IT'S WIDER THAN IT IS TALL BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
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UH, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE LOWER AND MUCH, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT.YEAH, I THINK WE WANNA MAINTAIN THAT COLUMN SPACING, BUT I THINK Q 12 IS
UM, I THINK THE STAFF COMMENT WAS THAT IT'S THREE 12 AND IT JUST NEEDS TO BE RELABELED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
IS IT THREE 12? YEAH, THAT WAS STAFF COMMENT NUMBER THREE.
UM, AND THEN ARE YOU GONNA, SO WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THE TRELLIS AND THE ROOF ON THERE, UH, IN THE BACK.
IS THAT A COMMENT? BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY FLAT? WE GET RID OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
HOW DO I GET TO THAT ELEVATION? I THINK YOU CAN JUST USE THE AREA HERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
WE WERE TRYING TO BREAK IT UP.
UH, SO WE WENT BACK AND ADDED THAT TRAILER PROPERTY.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO MOVE IT BACK? SO IT'S WITHIN THE PROPERTY? I GUESS IN MY QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOUR SOLUTION BE? WOULD IT BE TO GET RID OF THOSE ELEMENTS OR TO MOVE IT BACK? UH, I'D PROBABLY GET, I WOULD PROBABLY GET RID OF IT.
UM, JUST, UM, TO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PARKING.
UM, AND I MEAN, WE'D BE OPEN TO TRY AND BREAK IT UP.
IS THERE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FLOOR PLAN THERE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, YEAH.
WE CAN ADD SOME WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE THAT HPRC WOULD NEED TO SEE.
YEAH, I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE HEAD HEIGHTS AND THE WINDOWS AND SOME OF THE CONFIGURATIONS OF THE, SOME OF THE LIGHT CONFIGURATIONS IN THE DOORS BECAUSE THEY'RE RECTANGULAR TO THE SQUARE WINDOWS IS THERE DON'T EVEN, EVEN ON THAT ONE, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD, BUT MM-HMM
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I MEAN, THEY ASKED ABOUT THE GALVANIZED, WE SEEM TO ALWAYS APPROVE THAT.
YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT THAT'S A LATER CONVERSATION ABOUT LET'S GET INTO SOME, YEAH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DETERMINATION.
BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE GALVANIZED.
UM, CHARLIE, WE KEPT IT ON THERE BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, SO WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS HOPEFUL.
IT, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LOOK.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ASK? NO, NOT JUST DISCUSSION.
THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR THAT APARTMENT, IS THERE A REASON IT'S NINE FEET AND THEN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PLATE HEIGHT PLUS THE, THE CEILING AND THEN THE RAPTORS.
SO I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PLATE HEIGHT IS ALMOST FOR THE, FOR THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
I, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN THAT, I THINK THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOWER, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GETTING RID OF THESE ELEMENTS.
UM, IT'S REALLY, IT SHOWED
WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN LOOK AT LOWERING THAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GETTING RID OF, UM, THE TRAILS AND, OKAY.
UM, BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE DETERMINATIONS, WE'VE DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST, A LOT IN THE PAST, UH, WHERE WE'VE SORT OF APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, BUT ALSO SAID THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO BEFORE HPRC BECAUSE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE KIND OF SUBSTANTIAL, CHANGING AN ENTIRE ELEVATION.
UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION IF SOMEONE IS THINKING ABOUT EMOTION TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
SO THERE'S MORE SENSE OF EYES ON IT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND YOU KNOW, WELL IF WE MAKE AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AND THAT HPRC LOOKS AT THE FINAL CONDITIONS, I AT LEAST WE'VE MADE THE APPROVAL ON IT.
YEAH, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED.
UM, I DO THINK I WOULD AGREE THAT REMOVING ALL THE DETAILING FROM THE BACK OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH A, YOU KNOW, SOME THOUGHT GIVEN TO THE SCALE THERE.
AND I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT AT HP RC.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE DETERMINATIONS, I WAS KIND OF AGAINST THE GALVANIZED 'CAUSE
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IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING AND NOT LIKE A LITTLE COTTAGE, BUT GIVEN THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THE CONTEXT OF IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED, UM, A HEARING A LITTLE SUPPORT THERE, SO I COULD BE SWAYED ON THAT.BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS MORE VERTICAL OR MADE VERTICAL.
UM, FOR DETERMINATION NUMBER TWO, SHE HAVE A THIRD ONE WITH THE COMPOSITE GARAGE DOORS? YES.
THAT SHE NOTICED A PORT CAME TO HPC.
WAS THERE A DOOR IN MIDDLE I WAS ON, YEAH, IT WAS THE, THE GARAGE WILL ACTUALLY BE JUST A MIDDLE GARAGE DOOR.
THAT WAS, THERE WAS A PICTURE OF IT IN THERE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD'VE BEEN IN SUPPORTIVE COMPOSITE, KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH USING HARDY AND SOME OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS.
DID WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THEN? IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT AND WE, SORRY, SO THE QUESTION IS THEY WE'RE LOOKING FOR DETERMINATION OF WHETHER THE COMPOSITE GARAGE DOORS ARE APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT STATED THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE METAL, BUT DO WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THEN ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE COMPOSITE? NO.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY STRONG OPINIONS ON THE GALVANIZED WIRE? NO, NOT, YEAH.
UH, THEN IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION? WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I WOULD, BUT I THINK I'D MESS IT UP
I'LL MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UM, WITH THE, UH, STAFF CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE, UM, AND ALSO THE CONDITION THAT THE SCALE OF THE REAR OF THE CA CARRIAGE HOUSE BE, UH, RESTUDIED AND, UM, SUBMIT WITH THE BRACKETS, UM, REMOVED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT, UM, AND RESUBMITTED TO THE HVRC FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION, UM, THAT ONE, THE USE OF GALVANIZED WIRE AS A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL FOR THE BALLISTERS IS ACCEPTABLE.
AND TWO, THAT THE PROPORTIONALITY OF THE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE SHOULD BE MADE VERTICAL.
WHAT ABOUT THE DETAILING FOR THE BEING CONSISTENT AND, AND ALSO THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN DETAILING ON THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE STRUCTURE BE UPDATED? UM, TO NOT SHOW RICK AND SHOW BOARD AND BATTEN WERE APPLICABLE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND YES, MR. SKO IS GONNA EXCUSE YOURSELF.
THE REST OF US ARE GONNA LISTEN
[IX.1. Carport UDO Amendments (WORKSHOP - NO ACTION): Discussion, Consideration and Direction on Potential Amendments to the Town of Bluffton Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23, Unified Development Ordinance, Article 5 – Design Standards - Accessory Buildings (Staff - Angie Castrillon)]
TO DISCUSSION ON THE CARPORT UDO AMENDMENTS.UM, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL, UH, WE'VE HAD A PREVIOUS WORKSHOP ON THIS, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR IN 2024.
UM, THE REASON FOR THIS COMING FORWARD TO YOU IS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN APPLICANT OR A, A RESIDENT IN OLD TOWN LOUGHTON WHO, UH, CONSTRUCTED A CARPORT, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT AND WHICH WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE UDO.
SO THEY ARE REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CARPORT REMAIN.
UM, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR US.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF HAS HAD TO STUDY.
UM, THE DISTRICT IDENTIFY WHAT CARPORTS EXIST NOW, WHAT THE INCONSISTENCIES ARE, WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO GOING FORWARD.
UM, SO WE'VE DEVELOPED SOME POTENTIAL LANGUAGE THAT WE WANNA SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
SO BACK, UM, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO WE DID MAKE SOME, UH, CHANGES TO UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.
ANYTHING THAT IS GREATER THAN 121 SQUARE FEET, UH, IS UH, AN ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT'S GREATER THAN 121 SQUARE FEET IS A CARRIAGE HOUSE BUILDING TYPE BECAUSE WE HAVE A FORM-BASED CODE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T CALL IT A GARAGE OR A CAR OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
IT'S A CARRIAGE HOUSE NO MATTER WHAT THE USE IS.
UM, AND WITH THAT COMES A MAXIMUM SIZE OF 1200 TOTAL SQUARE FEET AND A BUILDING FOOTPRINT
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OF 800 SQUARE FEET.UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL, AND IT'S REQUIRED TO BE SMALLER THAN THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THE CASE OF, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING MAIN STRUCTURE, A CARRIAGE HOUSE, AND THEN THEY ALSO CONSTRUCTED THE CARPORT.
SO HERE'S, UH, POST OR PRE 2011 AND THEN POST THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
UM, WHAT CHANGE? SO TYPICALLY, UH, WHAT WE WOULD KNOW OF, UM, MORE OF HISTORIC BLUFFTON WOULD BE THE SMALLER CARPORTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD A PASSENGER VEHICLE, A SMALL BOAT THAT WAS UNDERNEATH A COVER, UM, DIDN'T HAVE WALLS.
AS THE TOWN HAS GROWN, UM, WE'VE SEEN, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSES AND THEN WE'VE SEEN THE CARPORTS GET LARGER THAT THEY TYPICALLY ARE HOUSING, UM, LARGER BOATS, RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
SO THEY'VE GOTTEN LARGER AT THE SAME TIME AND THERE IS SOME CONCERN OF THE EFFECT THAT IS HAVING ON THE CHARACTER OF HISTORIC BLUFFTON.
UM, SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, PREVIOUSLY.
HERE ARE SOME DATES HERE WITH OUR PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS.
WE'VE MET WITH HPC PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL MOST RECENTLY, UH, WITH TOWN COUNCIL.
AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.
UM, WE DON'T WANT ONEROUS, UH, EXTENSIVE REGULATIONS.
WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S PRACTICAL AND THAT IT'S FAIR AND THAT FOR THOSE, UM, WHO'VE HAD THOSE OLDER CARPORTS, THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THEY WERE TO BE DAMAGED, THAT THEY COULD BE RECONSTRUCTIVE WITHOUT BEING OVERBURDENSOME EXPENSIVE AND TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, A DIFFICULT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ALLOWING THIS ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SO SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF HAVING THE MAIN STRUCTURE, A CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE CARPORT, UM, MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY, UM, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UH, THE RECENT TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP WAS IN AUGUST 12TH, AND SO STAFF DID PRESENT SOME, UH, POTENTIAL, UH, TEXT CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, WE ARE POTENTIALLY THINKING ABOUT ADDING A MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE TO OUR VARIOUS SONY DISTRICTS WITHIN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR WHAT YOU CAN BUILD OR TYPICALLY BASED ON THE BUILDING TYPE, THE FOOTPRINT, UM, THE, UH, OTHER BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE THERE, INCLUDING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THERE IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE UP TO THREE SHEDS ON A PROPERTY, 121 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
AND THEN THERE ARE THE BUILDING SETBACKS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT WOULD LOOK POTENTIALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A FOR CERTAINTY, THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, ADDING THAT LAST COLUMN THAT YOU SEE THERE, BASED ON THE BUILDING TYPE AND THE ZONING DISTRICT, WE WOULD HAVE A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE FOR COVERAGE.
AND THAT LOT COVERAGE IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDERNEATH A ROOF, WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UM, SEMI-PERMEABLE SURFACES, WHICH COULD BE A GRAVELED PA, A GRAVELED AREA, UM, FOR A DRIVEWAY.
UM, THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL.
SO, UH, SOME EXAMPLES HERE OF WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UM, HERE IS, UM, A RESIDENCE HERE WITH A MAIN STRUCTURE, A BREEZEWAY THAT'S CONNECTING TO A CARRIAGE HOUSE, AND THEN ALSO THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
UM, THE, THE LOT AREA IS OVER 16,000 SQUARE FEET AND TAKING OUT ALL OF THOSE, UH, IMPERMEABLE SURFACES, WE WOULD END UP WITH 30% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOME ABILITY TO HAVE THAT CARPORT, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY.
ON OTHER PROPERTIES IT MAY NOT BE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, UM, TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE IT BASED ON THE, UH, SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS WHAT'S BEEN BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BECAUSE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE THERE AS WELL AS THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, IN THIS EXAMPLE WE'VE GOT 58%, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE, WHICH IS 70%.
SO THEY HAVE POSSIBLY SOME ROOM TO WORK WITH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE BUILDING SETBACKS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ESTABLISH A CARPORT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS THAT CAME UP IN THE DISCUSSION WITH TOWN COUNCIL IS TO ALLOW CARPORTS, BUT ONLY ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, NOT COMMERCIAL,
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UM, TO HAVE A MAXIMUM, UH, UH, UH, FOOTPRINT OF NO MORE THAN 600 SQUARE FEET, UH, THAT THE CARPORT COULD BE NO TALLER THAN 18 FEET OR THE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.OR IF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS LESS THAN 18 FEET, THAT THE CARPORT WOULD BE NO TALLER THAN THAT TO NOT ALLOW ANY SIDE WALLS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY OPEN.
UM, OR EXCUSE ME, NO MORE THAN TWO SIDES COULD BE ENCLOSED, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOUVERED.
UM, LIMITATION ON POWER, NO INTERNAL PLUMBING.
IT'S NOT THE INTENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE TURNED INTO ANOTHER BUILDING.
UM, AND THAT THE CARPORT WOULD HAVE TO BE PLACED NEAR THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY OR 20 FEET BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
AND THEN NO MORE THAN ONE CARPORT PER LOT.
SO I KNOW I KIND OF THREW A LOT AT YOU THERE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF FOR OPEN DISCUSSION.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IS THAT WE WILL TAKE THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT SEPTEMBER 24TH FOR A WORKSHOP FOR SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
AND THEN IT WILL GO BACK THEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 22ND FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL.
AND DURING THIS PROCESS, WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO, UM, ENCOURAGE THEM TO ATTEND A WORKSHOP IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE TO US, UM, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
UM, SO WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT INPUT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WE WANT THE COMMISSION TO HAVE INPUT AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW I'VE SAID A LOT HERE, HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY PICTURES OR ANYTHING, A LOT OF TEXTS, UM, THROWN AT YOU.
BUT, UM, FEEL FREE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS, WE'D LIKE TO PUT THOSE IN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SHOULD WE JUST EMAIL YOU THOSE? YOU CAN EMAIL US IF YOU, THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT CERTAIN ABOUT OR WANNA TALK ABOUT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT TONIGHT TOO.
IS THERE ANY PROVISIONS TO, TO FOR ANY KIND OF LIKE BRACKETS OR ANYTHING THAT MAKE, THAT HELPS WITH HURRICANES, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH STRONG WINDS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS.
NOT A BRACKET, UM, BUT MAYBE A CERTAIN WAY TO BUILD IT WHERE A STRONG WIND CAN'T LIKE LIFT IT OFF AND THROW IT INTO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, TIE THEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S A KEY FEATURE OF GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT IS HAVING SOMEBODY IN THAT CLIPS AND ALL THE RAFTERS AND SO ON.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAN GO AND TRY TO PUT ONE IN WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT IF THEY GET CAUGHT THEN ALL OF THAT STUFF, THERE'S STILL, STILL A BOAT STORAGE SHED ON THOMAS HAYWARD STREET THAT, UM, COME DOWN.
BUT IS THE INTENT THAT THAT CARPORT AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE CAN BE ON THE SAME LOT TOGETHER OR? CORRECT.
I WOULD THINK THAT SORT OF YOUR ABILITY TO ADD A CARPORT TO A CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD SEEM LIKE THERE SHOULD BE, YOU HAVE A CARRIAGE HOUSE OR A CARPORT, SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE DETACHED OR IT SHOULD BE ATTACHED.
NO, JUST LIKE IF YOU WERE GONNA ADD A CARPORT AND YOU HAD A CARRIAGE HOUSE, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SHOULD BE SOMEHOW INTEGRATED TOGETHER RATHER THAN JUST ADDING MORE AND MORE STRUCTURES ONTO A PROPERTY.
YEAH, BUT I ALSO GET NERVOUS ABOUT A 600 SQUARE FOOT MAX ON ATTACHED TO A CARRIAGE HOUSE, YOU KNOW? WELL, NO, I MEAN YOU'D BE USING THE SQUARE FOOT FOOTAGE FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
I ALSO GET NERVOUS ABOUT THE 60 TO 70% COVERAGE, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM FOOTPRINT.
SO THAT KIND OF COVERS THINGS.
'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF WE DO LIKE A GRADUAL, YOU KNOW, ONE TO TWO ACRES, IT'S X PERCENTAGE, THREE TO FOUR, AND SO ON BUT YEAH, FOOTPRINT, FOOTPRINT KIND OF COVERS THAT.
I THINK IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE A, THE 600 SQUARE FOOT I THINK IS DOING A LOT TO KEEP THE SCALE DOWN.
IF IT LOOKING JU-JUST A CARPORT.
BUT IF YOU START ADDING A 600 SQUARE FOOT CARPORT TO A HOUSE WITH A PRETTY BIG CARRIAGE HOUSE ON IT, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A GETTING AWAY FROM THE SCALE OF BLUFFTON.
AND IS THERE A MENTION OF HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? LIKE IF SOMEBODY HAD A REALLY BIG BOAT, THEY COULD BUILD A REALLY TALL CAR.
18 TO THE RIDGE THEN 18 FEET TO THE RIDGE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE IDEA, RIGHT? UM, I BELIEVE SO.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SLOPE OF LIKE A MINIMUM SLOPE OF THE ROOF OR LIKE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF COLUMNS, GARAGE DOOR.
I MEAN THE GOAL IS TO GET AROUND THE BOAT SHEDS, WHICH ARE 18 FEET TALL, BUT LIKE A 0.5 TO 12.
YEAH, IT'S A FLAT ROOF ESSENTIALLY.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH A PRETTY LOW SLOPE ROOF TO GET, YOU KNOW, AN RV UNDERNEATH AND LIKE MAX OUT THAT HEIGHT, THE COLUMNS ARE GONNA BE REALLY ODD PROPORTION.
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TALENTED IN THINKING THROUGH HOW THAT WORKS.A LOT OF THAT WOULD COME DOWN TO, TO THE HBC THOUGH, AND JUST DETERMINING APPROPRIATENESS OF SCALE.
AND IT'D BE HELPFUL IF THERE WAS SOME MORE GUIDELINES THAN WE GET HERE AND IT'S LIKE, WELL I CAN HAVE MY GIGANTIC RV OR BOAT ON MY LOT OR I CAN'T, AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE THAN OUR FEELINGS YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK WE TAKE PRINCIPLE STANDS, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURE TO STAND BEHIND THAT.
A REACH HEIGHT WITH A MINIMAL, UM, ROOF PITCH.
I THINK WITHOUT THOSE, WE DON'T WANT ONE TO 12 INCHES.
WE WANT A MINIMAL ROOF PITCH AND WE WANT THAT RIDGE HEIGHT TO BE CALLED UP.
YEAH, I MEAN I, I DID A CARPORT IN TABBY ROADS BEFORE I WAS ON THIS BOARD AND IT WAS LIKE 12 AND A HALF FEET TALL.
UH, IT FEELS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT'S PRETTY TALL.
I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T WANT COLUMNS THAT ARE MUCH TALLER THAN THAT.
AND I'VE ALSO DONE A BOAT GARAGE THAT WAS, UH, MORE LIKE 700 SQUARE FEET, UM, BUT 20 FEET WIDE AND JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AND, UM, LIKE HAVING A PITCH ON THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I FELT LIKE THE 18 FEET KEEPS THE SCALE DOWN, BUT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A FLAT ROOF, YOU CAN STILL OBVIOUSLY GO PRETTY TALL, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE 18 AND THE 600 ARE PRETTY GOOD.
BUT IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO TRY TO DESIGN SOMETHING ODD YEAH.
IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE, EMAIL CHARLOTTE
IF I TALK TO AMANDA DENMARK IN MY OFFICE, SHE'LL HAVE THOUGHTS ON THIS.
AND MR. JUST YEAH, MONTHLY UPDATE OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? UH, ON THIS, ON THE AMENDMENT? NO, ON THE WORKSHOP.
WE DO HAVE ONE LAST ITEM AND, UH, KATIE, DO WE HAVE OUR, IT'S PULLED UP, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TAB.
THANK YOU FOR TAB RIGHT THERE.
[IX.2. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]
TONIGHT IS JUST TO, UH, SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE REVIEWED AS FAR AS SITE FEATURES, UM, WE'VE ONLY HAD, UH, LOOKS TO BE SIX ITEMS AND THEY'RE PRETTY BASIC THINGS LIKE A RE-ROOF, UH, FIXED FENCE EXTENSION, UM, NOTHING OUTTA THE ORDINARY.AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE QUESTIONS.
LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THANKS FOR THE COUNTY IS ONE OF THE OLDEST FORMS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.
EARLY SETTLERS FROM ENGLAND BROUGHT THE TRADITION OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO AMERICA.
TODAY MORE THAN 3000 COUNTY GOVERNMENTS PROVIDE SERVICES THAT AFFECT ALMOST EVERY CITIZEN'S LIFE.
SOUTH CAROLINA'S 46 COUNTIES ARE VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS EVOLVED NATIONALLY.
THE COUNTY UNIT IN SOUTH CAROLINA WAS REGARDED AS A LOCAL EXTENSION OF STATE GOVERNMENT, BUT A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM MOVEMENT IN THE EARLY 1970S LED TO THE SOUTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY, PASSING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HOME RULE ACT.
IN 1975, THE HOME RULE ACT GREATLY EXPANDED COUNTY AUTHORITY AND CHANGED THE NATURE OF COUNTY ORGANIZATION AND ADMINISTRATION TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.
BEAUFORT COUNTY WENT FROM HAVING A BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO A COUNTY COUNCIL.
MEMBERS OF THE 1975 COUNCIL INCLUDED CHAIRMAN ARTHUR HORN, VICE CHAIRMAN GRADY THAMES, LEROY BROWN, GARY FORDHAM, WILLIAM GRANT, HARRIET KAISER LING, DAVID JONES,
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BILL MCBRIDE, AND BOOKER WASHINGTON.AS THE NEW COUNCIL SOUGHT TO DISTINGUISH ITSELF, COUNCIL MEMBERS DESIRED AN OFFICIAL SYMBOL THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE JURISDICTION'S IDENTITY AND UNIQUE CHARACTER COUNCIL APPOINTED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO UNDERTAKE THE TASK AND CARRY OUT A CONTEST FOR THE BEST COUNTY SEAL DESIGN.
HARRIET K WAS A MEMBER OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND IT WAS HER IDEA BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IDENTIFY OUR BEAUTIFUL BEAUFORD COUNTY.
WE MET THEN UP AT A, I THINK IT WAS A CAROLINA BANK AND SOME YEARS AGO, BACK THERE ON WEST STREET, AND THEN WE PUT 'EM IN PALS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, GOOD, BAD MAYBE UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT IT DOWN TO THE ONE THAT WE NOW USE.
COUNTY COUNCIL APPROVED THE SEAL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH REFLECTED THE COUNTY'S HISTORY, TRADITIONS, AND NATURAL BEAUTY.
THE SEALS COLORS OF BLUE AND GREEN REPRESENT THE COLORS OF THE COUNTY'S OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT WITH ITS MANY WATERWAYS, MARSHLANDS, AND MARITIME FOREST.
THE FIVE IMAGES WITHIN THE SEAL DEPICT SOME OF THE COUNTY'S DISTINGUISHING FEATURES, ANCIENT LIVE OAK TREES, THE SEAFOOD INDUSTRY, RICH NATURAL RESOURCES, AND A RARE MARINE ECOLOGY, LOWCOUNTRY ARCHITECTURE, AND MILES OF RIVERS, CREEKS, AND INLETS.
I THOUGHT IT ENCOMPASSED WHAT THE, WHAT WE AS A BODY WERE LOOKING FOR A SEAL.
IT WOULD, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT AND JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, IT REALLY COVERS THE ASPECTS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO HE DID A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING TOGETHER THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WHOLE, SO DEAR AND WHAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT BEAUFORT COUNTY.
COUNCILMAN BILL MCBRIDE WAS IN OFFICE WHEN THE CONTEST WAS HELD AND WAS PRESENT WHEN THE COMMITTEE REVEALED THE WINNING DESIGN.
I THINK COUNCIL WAS ECSTATIC ABOUT IT.
UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THE, THE SIMS ON THE SEAL REPRESENTED, UM, ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BUTFOR COUNTY.
THERE IT IS A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE ORIGINAL ON DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENT TO US WHERE YOU HAVE THE SHRIMP BOAT TODAY.
INITIALLY, THAT WAS A PLEASURE CRAFT, A SAILBOAT AND YACHT TYPE BOAT.
AND, UH, IT WAS CHANGED BY COUNTY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE SHRIMP BOAT WAS A BETTER REPRESENTATION, UM, OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ASPECT OF BEAU COUNTY LIFE BECAUSE YOU HAD OTHER THINGS ON THE SEAL THAT REPRESENT THE PLEASURE AND RECREATION, THE FISHING AND THE BEACH.
SO THEY THOUGHT THE SHRIMP BOAT, WHICH WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF BEAUTIFUL COUNTY CULTURE SHRIMPING, ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME, WOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE SEAL.
THE WINNER OF THE CONTEST WAS AN ARTIST FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND, THE LATE LEE PAYNE.
HIS DESIGN WAS SELECTED FROM MORE THAN 126 CENTURIES SUBMITTED FROM AS FAR AWAY AS INDIANA AND TENNESSEE.
HE WAS AWARDED $250 FOR HIS DESIGN, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE CAPTURED THE LEGACY OF OUTDOOR BEAUTY, CULTURE, AND HISTORY THAT HELPED TO DEFINE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
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