[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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THIS. TUESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2025. I WILL CALL THIS WORKSHOP TO
[3. WORKSHOP AGENDA ITEMS]
ORDER INSTEAD OF HAVING PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST WE'RE GOING TO LET KEVIN DO HIS PRESENTATION TO BRING EVERYONE UP TO SPEED AS FAR AS WHAT THE NEW STATE LAWS AND CHANGED AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND THEN I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY FOLLOWING THAT SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK ANYWAY . THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.THIS MAY BE AWKWARD. YEAH. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. AS YOU STATED, WE ARE HERE FOR THIS IS A WORKSHOP SO AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION NO VOTE THIS EVENING SO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
SO THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION THAT WE WANTED TO ASK IS LIKE DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO OPERATE GOLF CARTS WHEN IT DARK? IF YES THEN WE NEED MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE. IF NOT WE DON'T WE DON'T MOVE THAT NOW THERE ARE SOME STATE CODE ITEMS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BUT BUT IF THE THE THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE DRIVING AT NIGHT THEN YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE WITH THE PARK. SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CONTINUE? YES. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. JUST AS A REMINDER SO IN MAY 2025, GOVERNOR MCMASTER SIGNED ACT 64 INTO INTO LAW WHICH REGULATES THE PROVISIONS FOR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO REGULATE THE OPERATION OF SPECIALIZED VEHICLES WHICH IS A A BROAD TERM THAT FOCUSES ON GOLF CARTS, LOW SPEED VEHICLES AND THEN UTILITY TERRAIN VEHICLES OR UTVS.
AND I'M GOING TO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
SO THE STATE CODE ITSELF AND I WAS GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY IS TO VEHICLES KNOWN AS GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC HIGHWAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO OBTAIN A PERMIT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE PAY THE $5 WHICH FOR THE PERMIT DECALS FOR EVERY FIVE YEARS THAT IT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST SIX YEARS OLD AND HOLD A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND HAVE THAT IN YOUR POSSESSION. THE REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE PROOF PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE AND THIS SAYS HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE 30 DRIVER'S LICENSE. SO A MUNICIPALITY OR COUNTY MAY IF YOU SO CHOOSE YOU CAN STIPULATE HOURS METHODS AND LOCATIONS OF GOLF CART OPERATIONS THAT MAYBE THEY CAN BE OPERATED ON HIGHWAYS WHERE THERE ARE LIMITS TO 35 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS. AND I'VE GOT SOME MAPS IN HERE TO TO ILLUSTRATE SPECIFICALLY FOR BLUFFTON HOW HOW THAT WOULD BE REGULATED. THE NEXT ONE WAS BY ORDINANCE YOU PERMIT THE OPERATION OF GOLF CARTS AT NIGHT PROVIDED THAT THEY ARE EQUIPPED WITH WORKING HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS AND THEN PROVIDED THE GOLF CARTS MAY BE OPERATED ONLY ON THE HIGHWAY WHERE THE LIMITS ARE 35 MILES PER HOUR LESS AGAIN WE'LL HAVE A MAP FOR THAT YOU CAN OPERATE ON IF YOU SEARCH ON THE SHOULDER A PRIMARY HIGHWAYS AND THEN IT TALKS HOW HOW YOU CAN DELINEATE THE LOCATION OF THAT SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TOWN COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IN ESSENCE THAT IS CONSTRUCTING PATHS SPECIFIC FOR GOLF CARTS WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS DOING RIGHT NOW.
SO IN THE COMING DAYS SIDEWALKS . SIDEWALKS, YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON SIDEWALKS. OKAY.
SO SO IN THE ABSENCE OF AN ORDINANCE INTERACTION FOR SEA THEN THEY MAY ONLY BE OPERATED DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS AND ONLY ON THE SECONDARY ROADS WHERE THEY'RE 35 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS AND ONLY WITHIN FOUR MILES OF THEIR ADDRESS AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS HIGHWAYS AT THE INTERSECTIONS AND THEN WHERE WE HAVE HERE SAYS THE GOLF CART PASSENGERS THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 12 WHEN IT'S BEING OPERATED ON THE PUBLIC STREETS OR HIGHWAYS MUST WEAR FASTENED SAFETY BELTS. SO THAT WAS THE STATE CODE AND WHAT STAFF HAS ALREADY DONE AND OUR LEGAL TEAM HAS ALREADY STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSED CODE .
SO THIS IS WHAT WOULD BE INSERTED INTO THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES SO WE'VE WE'VE TAKEN THAT INFORMATION FROM THE STATE AND THEN CATERED IT TO TO MEET OUR CODE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO SAME LANGUAGE JUST CONVERTED IT FROM A FORMATTING STANDPOINT TO INCLUDE INCLUDE INTO OUR DOCUMENT. SO THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT DEFINITIONS STANDPOINT AND I'M GOING TO JUMP AROUND WE'RE FOR FOUR SO SPECIALIZED THIS VEHICLES MEANS MOTORIZED VEHICLES THAT'S YOUR GOLF CARTS YOUR LOW SPEED VEHICLES AND
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UTILITY TRAIN VEHICLES. WE TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC ROADWAY THAT ANY ROAD THAT MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN OR OTHER PUBLIC AUTHORITY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE GATED COMMUNITIES SO GATED COMMUNITIES OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATIONS SO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER I KIND OF CREATED THIS DIAGRAM SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO. SO OBVIOUSLY A GOLF CART WHEN WE REFER TO A GOLF CART BASED OFF OF THIS ORDINANCE WE'RE REFERRING TO THE CARTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY USED AT GOLF COURSES. SO THEY WERE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE GOLF COURSE MOST LIKELY DO NOT HAVE LIGHTS ON THEM AND THE GOLF BAGS ON THE BACK NOT NECESSARILY A FOUR SEATER IT'S MORE OF A TWO SEATER WITH FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR AIR BAGS IN THE BACK AND THEN ARE USED DURING THE DAY THEN LOW SPEED VEHICLES THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE YOU MAY THE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A GOLF CART BUT IT'S NOW YOUR FOUR SEATER IT MIGHT MOST LIKELY HAS LIGHTS A HORN YOU KNOW TURN SIGNALS ON IT ALREADY SO THAT'S A LOW SPEED VEHICLE WE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS OUR GOLF CARTS YOU KNOW THE TOWN WE OWN AA6 SEATER WE REFER TO IT AS A GOLF CART BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S A LOW SPEED VEHICLE AND THEN YOUR UTILITY TERRAIN VEHICLES THOSE ARE YOUR COMPETITORS. THOSE ARE YOU'RE MORE TYPE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED YOU KNOW THAT'S NO DIFFERENT FROM WHEN PUBLIC WORKS IS USING THEIR THEIR VEHICLES TO MAINTAIN THE AND THEY'RE DRIVING ON THE ROADS TO YOU KNOW DO WHATEVER MAINTENANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO. NEXT WE TALK ABOUT THERE'S REQUIRED REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE SO THAT TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE DMV AND YOU PUT THE DECALS ON THERE YOU HAD HAD INSURANCE ON IT. WE TALK ABOUT THAT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT. SO FOR YOU MUST BE EQUIPPED WITH A REARVIEW MIRROR IN A SPECIALIZED VEHICLE AGAIN SPECIALIZED VEHICLE IS THAT BROAD TERM FOR ALL THREE THREE TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT THEY OPERATE BEFORE ANY THEM THAT OPERATE BEFORE SUNRISE OR AFTER SUNSET MUST AT A MINIMUM BE EQUIPPED WITH THE HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS AND TURN SIGNALS.SO IF YOU HAVE A GOLF CART IF IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALLOWING THEM TO BE AT NIGHT AND SOMEONE HAS A GOLF CART RIGHT NOW LIKE THE TRUE SENSE OF A GOLF ON A GOLF COURSE THEN AT NIGHTTIME NUMBER ONE IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED UNLESS THEY MODIFIED IT TO INCLUDE HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS AND THEN THE TURN THE SEATBELTS.
SO THIS IS ONE WHERE SOME OF THE LIKE GOLF CARTS RIGHT NOW MOST THEM DON'T HAVE SEATBELTS, SOME DO. SO IT JUST SAYS THAT YOU KNOW, ANY CHILD UNDER THE AGE OF 12 MUST WEAR A SEATBELT AT ALL TIMES WHILE RIDING IN A SPECIALIZED VEHICLE.
SO IF YOU IF YOU OWN A GOLF CART, YOU'VE NOW CONVERTED IT WITH THE LIGHTS, THE TURN SIGNALS AND ALL THAT. YOU MIGHT ALSO HAVE TO CONVERT TO INCLUDE THAT SAFETY BELT IF THERE'S IF YOU HAVE A 12 YEAR OLD OR YOUNGER THAT'S ON THERE ALSO STARTS TO TALK ABOUT ANY KIDS UNDER THE AGE 12 THAT ARE TOO SMALL TO BE SAFELY IN A SEATBELT THAT YOU WOULD SECURE THEM OTHER RESTRAINTS YOU KNOW ANY TYPE OF STRAPPING SYSTEM THAT YOU COULD LET'S SAY YOU HAD A CAR SEAT THAT YOU HAD AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME TYPE STRAP SYSTEM TO SECURE THAT CAR SEAT IN TO INTO PLACE. SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T MOVE. I DID LOOK ONLINE LIKE FIVE POINT HARNESSES THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR GOLF CARTS. SO THAT WAY YOU COULD HAVE KIDS THAT BE IN A FIVE POINT HARNESS THAT WHAT IS IT WOULD WITHIN ATTACH.
ONE OF THE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT IS THAT YOU KNOW YOU COULD NO LONGER IF YOU HAD AN INFANT IN YOUR HAND YOU COULD NO LONGER HOLD THEM AND DRIVE AT THE SAME TIME.
NOW YOU WERE IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SECURE, YOU KNOW, AN INFANT YOU I ALWAYS THINK OF THE BABY BJORN'S WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY YOU KNOW THEY'RE LIKE KIND OF LIKE ATTACHED TO YOU, YOU KNOW, LIKE CLIPPED IN AROUND YOUR CHEST THAT BASED OFF THIS CODE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF YOU CAN HAVE HANDS NOT HANDS FREE DRIVING BUT BOTH HANDS ON THE WHEEL TO DRIVE AND NOT HAVE TO HOLD ON TO A KID THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. SO JUST ILLUSTRATION WISE THIS KIND OF HELPS YOU WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOUR INSURANCE REGISTRATION, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AND THEN THOSE ARE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. NEXT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE OPERATION LIMITATIONS SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT SO THESE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES THAT ONLY OPERATE ON ROADS THAT ARE POSTED SPEED LIMIT THAT DOES NOT EXCEED 35
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MILES PER HOUR ALSO THAT THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM ENTERING, OPERATING OR TRAVELING IN ANY ROUNDABOUT. SO THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS THAT WE CAN THINK OF OBVIOUSLY I'M BLESSED AT THE PARKWAY AND THEN ARE NUMEROUS ROAD AND 170 THAT TRAFFIC CIRCLE THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THERE AND THEN THERE'S THE EXEMPTION FOR WHERE IT SAYS OPERATING SO THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY TO SPECIALIZED VEHICLES BEING USED FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE.SO AGAIN LIKE OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THEY ARE USING ONE OF THEIR UTILITY VEHICLES LIKE OUT AT THE BARN PARK AND THEY HAD GO AROUND TO SOMEWHERE ELSE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH TRAFFIC CIRCLES OR WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE MAINTENANCE ON THE LANDSCAPING AT THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE ON BLUFFTON ROAD THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO INTO THAT.
YES, SIR. FOR THE FOUR LANE HIGHWAY CROSSINGS THAT IS RESTRICTED TO TO CROSS A HIGHWAY. SO IF YOU'RE RUNNING AT THE SPEED LIMIT IS GREATER THAN THE 35 MILES AN HOUR AND HYPOTHETICALLY IS FOUR LANES. ARE YOU ALLOWED TO CROSS IT? YES, YOU CAN CROSS I'LL USE IT'S NOT IN THE TOWN BUT AN EXAMPLE OF ROSEHILL WHERE YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING SIDES OF IT AND TO 78 OBVIOUSLY IS THE FIVE AT THAT POINT THAT IN THAT SITUATION THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER TO 78 EVEN THOUGH IT IS HIGHER THAN THAT 35 MILES PER OUT THERE. BUT SO WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF PUT A MAP TOGETHER TO SHOW THE ROADS. SO THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE OLD TOWN AREA NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF OLD TOWN. THIS DOES INCLUDE SOME OF ALL JOY BUT THE GREEN MEANS THAT GOLF CARTS WOULD BE ALLOWED AND THEN THE RED WHERE THAT SPEED CHANGES TO WHERE IT'S ABOVE 35 MILES PER HOUR WHERE THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. SO IN THIS SITUATION YOU SEE YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE TRAVELING OUT MAY RIVER ROAD ONCE PRETTY MUCH ONCE YOU GET PAST RED CEDAR YOU COULD YOU COULD PRETTY MUCH GO TO JENNIFER COURT AND THE PARKERS AND THEN COME BACK INTO TOWN BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRAVEL BASED ON THIS CODE YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TRAVEL UP BUCK ISLAND ROAD. NOW I ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE A MAP THIS IS A BROADER VIEW SO YOU SEE YOU KNOW YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SECTIONS OF ROADWAY HERE THIS IS LIKE POINT WHICH TURNS INTO OLD MILLER. THERE'S SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE IN TOWN AND SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE NOT IN TOWN. SO IT JUST CAPTURED THIS ROAD DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE WOULD BE REGULATING THAT ENTIRE ROADWAY LIKE A POLICE WOULD NOT REGULATE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SECTIONS THAT WE DON'T WE DON'T ENFORCE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE ARTERIAL ROADS WOULD YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO TRAVEL IN A GOLF CART ON THESE ROADS. UM THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SO LET'S SEE THIS IS THE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES ARE PERMITTED TO OPERATE ON THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY BUT AND DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS THE TURN SIGNALS AND SIGNALS SHALL BE USED TO OPERATE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES AND THE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES ON THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS ARE SUBJECT TO ALL TRAFFIC LAWS PURPORTED TO OPERATE IN A MOTOR VEHICLE.
ANY VIOLATIONS RESULT OF PENALTIES ESTABLISHMENT LAW AGAIN THE SIX YEARS LICENSE ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE THE INSURANCE AND IF YOU OPERATED THE UTV THE PROOF OF THE INSURANCE AND A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE AND POSSIBLE PENALTIES THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE AS A RIGHT NOW LISTED NOT TO EXCEED $500 OR IMPRISONMENT NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS. AND IF I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY JUMP OVER AND GO BACK A SLIDE HERE IN A SECOND SO WE ASKED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER YOU KNOW, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY TYPE OF CITATIONS OR HAVE WE ISSUED ANY TYPE OF CITATIONS? AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS THE ONE THE ONE WARNING THAT'S AT THE FOUR WAY STOP THAT CAME UP AND THEN THERE WERE SOME COLLISIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THROUGHOUT TOWN AND THEN MOST RECENTLY WE JUST HAD ONE LAST WEEK OVER AT THE END MARKET WHERE APPARENTLY A GOLF CART OR VEHICLE WAS GOING TOO FAST WHEN IT TURNED AND MADE A TURN TO IT GOING TOO FAST AND IT TIPPED OVER. SO THERE WAS A POLICE A POLICE REPORT ON THAT AND AND I KNOW THE CHIEF KIND OF EXPLAINED ON THAT OFFICER SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR THAT IS ON THE ON THAT WAS WAS A GOLF CART TURNING OFF OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY? WAS IT AN INTERNAL ROAD THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS TURNED INTO IN MARKET FROM BLUFFTON PARKWAY? WAS IT ROLLED WITH IT TURNED IT TURNED TOO HARD AND THEREFORE SO WE DON'T WANT GOLF CARTS ON FOUR LANE ROADS NOBODY ELSE WAS ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DRIVING WERE ALSO UNDER AGE SO THOSE WERE ALL OF THE ACCIDENTS
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WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. YES. MAP SENSE FOR 2024 AND 2025 EQUATIONS ARE ON THE BOTTOM I BELIEVE WE HAD SIX OR SIX OF THEM.YES. HE WAS UPDATED WITH THE ONE FROM JUST ANOTHER NIGHT.
YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHY I PUT DOWN HERE AT THE JUST THAT THAT STATEMENT OF THE THE OTHER ONE IT WOULD BE SEVEN IN A YEAR AND MOST OF THESE ACTUALLY OR WITHIN TO THE EXCEPTION OF PENN AND MAY RIVER ALL OF OUR YES SIR. I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM I THINK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO WERE ACTUALLY IN SUBDIVISIONS SOME OF THEM INVOLVED JUST SOMEBODY BACKING OUT OR PULLING OF A PARKING SPACE OF NOT SEEING THE GOLF CART. I THINK THERE WERE ONLY TWO THAT WERE ACTUALLY ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS. SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH, LOOKED AROUND AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AS TO KIND OF DOING RIGHT NOW THROUGH THIS PROCESS I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE BUT THERE SOME SOME OF THEM HAVE SOME DIFFERENCES AND THEN I WANT TO GO LET'S SEE LIKE SURFSIDE BEACH WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE IT SAYS NIGHT USE IT SAYS IT'S EQUIPPED WITH PERMANENT LIGHTS. YES. ALL DAY ALL NIGHT WHERE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALSO DEFINE 30 MINUTES BEFORE SUNRISE AND THEN 30 MINUTES AFTER ANOTHER ONE. LET'S SEE TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVERS.
SO UM SO IT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA AND I'M SORRY I, I HAD ONE OF THEM THAT WAS PRETTY SPECIFIC WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY WANTED VEHICLES TO HAVE LIGHTS BOTH DAY AND NIGHT SO THAT THAT WAS A REPORT . OKAY SO OUTSIDE YES ALL DAY LAST NIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT THE ONE WHERE NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOUR LIGHTS ARE ON BUT YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM AGAIN FOR THAT GOLF WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IF IT IF YOU OWNED THE GOLF CART THERE STATING THAT YOU YOU HAVE TO MODIFY IT IF YOU WANT IT OUT ON ONE OF THESE ROADS IT HAS TO BE MODIFIED TO HAVE THE LIGHTS, THE BRAKE LIGHTS AND THE TURN SIGNALS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT THEY CHOSE TO KIND OF GO A LITTLE ABOVE AND SO AFTER THAT I'M WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION BUT FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ALSO BASED ON CONVERSATION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT US POTENTIALLY ADD REMOVE FROM ORDINANCE WE CAN DO THAT. I DID I PROVIDED A PAPER COPY YOU GUYS JUST SO YOU HAVE IT IN CASE IN CASE YOU WANTED TO WRITE ON THERE YOU NEEDED LIKE CHANGE SOMETHING AND WE CAN ADJUST IT AS NEEDED WHEN TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF DO YOUR OWN RED LINE VERSION AND PLUS IT WOULD HELP ME TO COLLECT IT AND THEN I GET THAT
[2. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
INFORMATION I THINK BEFORE WE GET INTO MAKING OR ANYTHING WE'LL LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SURE THING. ABSOLUTELY.SEE BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE SOME POINTS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT OR SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER. SO HERE YOU HAVE A LIST AND I WAS GIVEN TO DO.
BRENDAN DOWNEY MY RULES TONIGHT OR WE'D GOOD YOU SHOULD BUT YOU CAN LOOK OKAY NOT READING THE RULES SO EVERYBODY SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY BUT BE NICE I MEAN START WITH THE FIRST ONE HERE ON STATE NAME AND ALL FOR THE RECORD. BRENDAN DOWNEY TO FISHERMAN LANE ALL JOY WAS A VERY GOOD PRICE THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.
IT ANSWERED A LOT. MY QUESTIONS AS YOU KNOW AS YOU CAN SEE I'M AN AVID GOLF CART PERSON DOWN HERE. MY BIG THING IS UNFORTUNATELY THIS DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT YOU GUYS BUT ON ALL JOY HAVING A BIG PROBLEM WITH YOUNG KIDS ON GOLF CARTS UNDER AGE AND WE'VE HAD THEFTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT I'M DEALING WITH THAT THROUGH COUNTY BUT THEY REALLY NEED TO STEP WITH THE UNDERAGE DRIVING AROUND. I SEE IT EVERY DAY.
YOU KNOW THERE'S EIGHT YEAR OLDS DRIVING AROUND GATORS AND ALL JOY.
BUT AGAIN THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO UNFORTUNATELY TO DO WITH YOU GUYS.
I REALLY HOPE GUYS TAKE IN EFFECT THE DRIVE IT AT NIGHT BECAUSE GOLF CARTS ARE A PART
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OF TOWN OF BLUFFTON. THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOREVER.THEY HELP WITH THE PARKING PROBLEM YOU HAVE PROMENADE THEY HELP WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON YOU HAVE YOUR SUNSET PARTIES OVER AT LARRY'S JOINT IT JUST IT JUST REALLY HELPS OUT AND IT'S A FAMILY THING. AS I SAID, BLUFFTON IS A GOLF CART TOWN AND I KNOW TWO OF YOU ARE LOCAL BUSINESS WELL EMILY IS TO A LOT PEOPLE USE THEIR GOLF CARTS TO GO OUT TO RESTAURANTS SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO HELP OUT TO GET TO BRIDGET'S NEW PLACE AND LARRY'S PLACE AND SAVE ON PARKING AND IT'S GOING TO HELP OUT WITH AGAIN THE PARKING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND BUSINESS AS WHOLE. IT'S I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE DOWN HERE AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS GO FORWARD AT LEAST WITH THE NIGHT DRIVING AND WE GET SOMETHING GOING. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT MANY ACCIDENTS AND THE THAT DID HAPPEN WERE WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE GATED WHATNOT AND UNFORTUNATELY SORRY ABOUT THAT ONE ABOUT IN-MARKET FOR BEING UNDERAGE BUT BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS GO WITH GETTING THIS PASSED AND. I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOWN HERE UP NEXT WE HAVE FANS AND NOW EVERYONE I'M SAM FOR 30 HIDDEN SHOALS ROAD FOUR SEASONS WELL OUTSIDE OF TOWN. THAT'S STILL IN THE TOWN. YEAH SO I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS WE NEED TO SEPARATE I KEEP SAYING GOLF CARTS YOU KNOW THAT LOW SPEED VEHICLES CONFLICTS LET'S BE VEHICLES ARE FEDERAL MOTOR SAFETY APPROVED FOR ROADS GOLF CARTS FROM GOLF COURSES AND REGULAR GOLF CARTS FROM GOLF COURSES ACCORDING TO CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLE THE GOLF CARTS MAY NOT CONVERTED INTO LSP AND HOMEMADE OR A RETROFIT VERSIONS DO NOT QUALIFY FOR STREET LEGAL. OKAY SO MY THING IS I DON'T REALLY CARE IF PEOPLE CONVERT IT BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A SAFETY CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE USING APPROVED LIGHTING, SEATBELT ANCHORING FOR SAFETY LAWSUITS DOWN THE ROAD.
I MEAN I HAVE A SPEED VEHICLE. I SPENT TEN GRAND I HAVE THE TITLE I HAD TO PAY THE $500 YOU KNOW TAX. YEAH. AND THEN EVERY EVERY YEAR I HAVE TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAX ON IT SO I MEAN HOW IS THAT FAIR TO ME WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A GENERAL GOLF CART AROUND THE ROAD WHEN I HAD TO PAY ALL THIS TAX AND THEY'RE PAYING $5 FOR FIVE YEARS, IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S MY QUESTION AND RIGHT CROSSING THE ROAD JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. SO I DO LIVE OUT AT FOUR SEASONS SO TO GO ACROSS 170 IN THE PUBLIX BY WENDY'S THAT'S ALLOWED. SO WHEN WE COME OUT OF OUR GATE IS THAT YOU HAVE A STOPLIGHT TO GET YOU ACROSS NOW THERE'S NO STOP RIGHT THERE WE LIKE TO HAVE TO HAVE A STOPLIGHT HAVE AN INTERSECTION RIGHT. THE CONCRETE CUT AND CARS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE RIGHT AND TO GO TOWARDS THE CIRCLE OR TAKE PLACE AND THEN SO WHEN WE COME OUT OF OUR GATE THERE'S A CUT OUT WE CAN GO ACROSS AND ACROSS.
SO AS A LOW SPEED VEHICLE ALLOWED TO OBEY BY THE RULES OF THE FEDERAL ROAD SO I ALLOWED TO CROSS THAT. SO KEVIN , YOU WANT TO CLARIFY IT SAYS ENTERING, OPERATING OR TRAVELING ON ANY FOUR LANE ROAD WILLIAM OF PARK LAKE PARKWAY BUT A SPECIALIZED VEHICLE MAY CROSS OVER A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY OR PARKWAY AT A LATE INTERSECTION ONLY.
ALSO SAY A WE'RE KIND OF TAKING SOME OF YOUR TIME SO FAR IN THE FUTURE THERE IS PLANS FOR A LIGHT THAT INTERSECTION OF FOUR SEASONS SO WHEN IT'S WARRANTED THAT LIGHT WILL THEN BE CONSTRUCTED IT'S GETTING THERE LET'S SAY THAT AND AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT WOULD BE A FURTHER RESTRICTION ON WHAT THE STATE LAW CURRENTLY SAYS THE STATE LAW AND AND JUST GO TO SCOTLAND IT LITERALLY JUST USES THE WORD GOLF CART IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT AND THEN WHEN IT
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TALKS ABOUT IT SAYS CROSS AT A HIGHWAY OR INTERSECTION WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS MORE THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR, IT DOESN'T DEFINE WHETHER THERE HAS TO BE A SIGNAL OR NOT.THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS A MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT STATE LAW CURRENTLY IS FOUR LANE ROADS JUST FOR LANE ROUTES SO THAT'S A GOOD AGAIN THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TOO. BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE TO COMPARE TO A GOLF CART OR LET'S VEHICLE THAT'S CROSSING BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIFFERENT VEHICLES. ONE IS NOT A FEDERAL MOTOR.
ALL RIGHT TO BE ON ROAD I'M NOT I MEAN WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS CHANGE THAT THE STATE JUST MADE AND THEY'RE REFERRING TO ALL THREE RIGHT THE WAY I READ IT AS THE SAYING OKAY THAT'S CORRECT SO IF YOU IF YOU GOOGLE OR LOOK UP FMV SAYS 500 THAT'S THE FEDERAL MOTOR STANDARD. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE A TITLE ON THE VEHICLE AND IT EXPLAINS ALL THAT. AND THEN PART OF THE THING ABOUT CONVERSION THAT THIS QUESTION DOES DO YOU HAVE A TAG ON YOUR VEHICLE? YES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE PLATE REGISTRATION. SO IT IS STREET LEGAL? YES.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO. YOU DON'T NEED THE REGULATIONS. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY. THERE'S NOTHING THAT IT'S A LOT OF GRAY LINE LIKE BETWEEN THOSE VEHICLES AND GOLF CARTS SEEMS LIKE TO ME IF YOU HAVE A TAG AND YOU HAVE INSURANCE YEAH WE HAVE LIKE COLLISION AND EVERYTHING NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF VEHICLE YOU HAVE BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT AND GO FROM OLD COUNTRY GOLF CART ON WE MUST BE STREET YEAH IT'S FOUR SEATER TWO HORSES YEAH IT'S WE HAVE LIGHT TAG WE HAVE THE BACKUP CAMERA.
I SIMPLY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A TAG IF IT WASN'T STREET LEGAL. YEAH NO WE HAVE A TAG AND MY TITLE I MY TITLE THAT I GET FROM THE MANUFACTURER WHEN I REGISTER SAYS WAS A VEHICLE.
OKAY SO YOU'RE STRAIGHT LEGAL YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT BUT THEY SAY IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ANYWHERE. THEY'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT SO THAT'S THAT'S MY QUESTION IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE LIKE I KNOW EVIDENCE I THINK THE CONFUSION THAT THAT HE'S SPEAKING OUT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EXPLICIT IN HERE IS THAT ANYONE OPERATING A GOLF CART RIGHT NOW THAT'S IN THE STREET MODE THROUGHOUT AND YOU'RE THINKING OF SOMEONE WHO'S JUST ON A GOLF CART THAT WOULD BE ON A COURSE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A TAG THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE UNDER THIS CODE THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE HERE IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE BEING PERMITTED THEY DO HAVE PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE.
THEY DO HAVE A VEHICLE AND REGISTRATION AND SO THOSE ARE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A GOLF CART PER SE AND NOT AN LLC BECAUSE THEY COMPLIANT WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS THEY ARE STILL TO BE ON THE STREET. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE THERE ON THE STREETS WITHOUT SEATBELT HOW'S THAT LEGAL THE BASED ON THIS THEY TO THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE MODIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO DO THAT I'M OKAY WITH THAT SO FAR AS YOUNG KIDS FIGHTING OR YOUNGER KIDS I THINK THAT THEY'RE ON THE STREETS AND GOING THROUGH BLUFFTON WITH TRACTOR TRAILERS AND STUFF.
I MEAN ANY KIDS THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN A CAR SEAT SHOULD BE IN A CAR SEAT PERIOD.
THEY WE'RE NOT LIKE ON YOU KNOW THEY'RE, DRIVING WITH REGULAR TRAFFIC DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
RIGHT. I THINK THE COUNCIL CAN HELP ON THIS FOR CLARITY.
THE STATE IS NOW SAYING YOU WOULD NEED A SEATBELT. YEAH, WE CAN'T TELL THE STATE WE'RE NOT WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE THAT RIGHT OR WE CAN MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE WE CAN MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE BUT WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T YOU CAN DRIVE WITHOUT A SEATBELT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT IS THAT IS A REQUIREMENT YOU JUST PASSED DOWN THAT WILL BE A REQUIREMENT OF LEFT AND RIGHT. WE CAN ONLY MAKE IT MORE RESTRICT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HE'S ASKING YOU TO MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE FOR I THINK FOR THE STATE TO TELL HIM YOU KNOW WHAT A LOT OF VEHICLE LAWS THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT OURSELF AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE VERY BEST FOR EVERYONE. SO HOW FAST IS YOUR VEHICLE? STAND BY. OKAY TO STATE HAS A DRIVE THAT GOES UP TO 15 AND THEN A CAR SPORT MODE THAT DOES 24. OKAY. AND YOU MIGHT THE FULL LIGHTS BACKUP CAMERA AND SEATBELT AIR CONDITIONER NOT WINDSHIELD FOR THAT AND THE DISCO LIGHTS ON THE BACK THOUGH SO KNOW OKAY THANK YOU GOT MORE QUESTIONS OR NO WE'RE GOOD OF HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OH YOU HAVE MORE OKAY OKAY WE'RE TO HE TOOK HALF OF YOUR TIME SO WE'LL LET YOU SLIDE SO I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT A REAL ANSWER IN MY ALLOWED TO COME OUT OF FOUR SEASONS GO
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ACROSS THE CUT OUT IN I HAVE A LOW SPEED VEHICLE BUT SEATBELT INTO PUBLIC BY YOU'RE ASKING ME WELL WHOEVER WANTS OF COURSE ANSWER THE QUESTION I WOULD SAY BASED ON YOUR PAPA AND I CROSS THE STATE STATUTE YES YOU ARE ALLOWED GO TO THAT INTERSECTION GO ACROSS A FOUR LANE AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOING TO DIRECTLY INTO THAT ENTRANCE OVER THERE THAT YES YOU ARE ALLOWED WITH OUR NEW ORDINANCE WE HAVE DRAFTED AND HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU GOING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE A NO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT A RED LIGHT AND EVEN WITH STREET LEGAL EVEN SO I'M CONFUSED I'M COMPLETELY GONE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT CHANGES IT.THAT'S THE PROBLEM THERE'S NO CLEAR LINE OF STREET LEGAL PARK NON-EMERGENCY AND GOLF CART GOLF COURSE STOP PARTS TO GOING BY WHAT THE STATE HAS WRITTEN IT DOES NOT SEPARATE GOLF CARTS AND LOW SPEED VEHICLES IT JUST REFERS TO GOLF CARTS. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
NG IS WE'RE ACTUALLY IS DEFINING THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES WE SEE ON OUR ROADWAYS. IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ALLOW CERTAIN VEHICLES CERTAIN PRIVILEGES THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BEFORE WE BRING ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL WORK ON OUR DEFINITION OF LOW SPEED VEHICLE RIGHT NOW LOW SPEED VEHICLES IT'S JUST EARLY SPEED SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DMV TAG REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT THAT WOULD. SO WE'LL TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THAT. YEAH, WE'RE NOT POSITIVE THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE ONE QUESTION.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING A THING IT HAS TO BE A TOPIC LIKE THERE IT SAID WE GO DOWNTOWN HERE WHEN COME TO THE POLICE SO THE WAY THE WAY THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN IT ALLOWS YOU TO CROSS AT ANY INTERSECTION STRAIGHT ACROSS WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. YOU GOT STATE LAW WHAT WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATORS PASSED THAT ALREADY SAYS THAT YOU CAN CROSS STRAIGHT ACROSS AT ANY INTERSECTION WITH A GOLF CART.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS MORE STRICT LIMITATIONS INTO ALLOW DRIVING AT NIGHT WITH WHAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE AND PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AS A DRAFT. WE WERE WE WERE SAYING THAT FOUR WAY ROADS YOU ONLY CROSS AT INTERSECTIONS OR AT RED LIGHT NOW COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THAT. THEY MAY SAY THAT'S WHERE IT CAME UP ON THE MAYBE IF IT'S TAGGED AND THAT'S SOME STUFF WE'LL HAVE TO INTO BUT AGAIN THEY'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT. THE GOAL OF IT IS TO HEAR THESE QUESTIONS WORK THROUGH THIS AND THEN WE MAY BACK AT FIRST READING AND HAVE CHANGED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS . I KEEP SAYING IS THE BIGGEST THING IS THERE'S TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES HERE AND LIKE YOU SAID WE'VE GOT THAT THAT HAS TO BE CLARIFIED RIGHT? SO EACH VEHICLE COULD DO IT. CAN'T DO IT. WHAT WE'LL DO IS IN THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE WE CAN PROBABLY WORSE AS A SPECIALIZED VEHICLE WE'LL ACTUALLY BREAK THAT DOWN. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS IS THE GOLF CARTS.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE CAN DO LEGALLY RIGHT NOW. SO HE HAS A YEAH. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY THAT BOTH IN THE IN THE CODE AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO BACK WE'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN GREATER DETAIL. BUT OKAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES.
WE ONLY HAD TWO PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY HERE SO I KNOW YOU ALL ARE HERE FOR A REASON.
IF YOU DID YOU DIDN'T UP. OKAY, SIGN IN. OKAY.
WELL I'M GOING TO LET YOU GET UP AND SPEAK. COME ON UP YOU THERE ARE THERE ARE A LOT OF YOU THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T AWARE THAT YOU NEEDED TO OR WHAT? I DID NOT KNOW THAT. OKAY, YOU'RE OKAY.
THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS AND THANK YOU.
CHUCK VALENTINO LIVE IN SHELL HALL. I'M ALSO AN ADVOCATE FOR BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND CONNECTIVITY IN THE LOWCOUNTRY.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE WITH GOLF CARTS NECESSARILY DRIVING AT NIGHT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO PASS I'M FINE WITH THAT BUT IT'S THE USE OF THESE LOW SPEED VEHICLES GOLF CARTS ON THE PATHWAYS THAT BORDER BUCKWALTER BLUFFTON EVEN 170 DOWN WHERE THEY'RE TELLING THEIR LIVES AND UNDERSTAND DOWN IN PALMETTO BLUFF THAT IS A PUBLIC ROAD OR NOT A PUBLIC ROAD BUT A PRIVATE ROAD AND THEY ALLOW GOLF CARTS ON THAT PATHWAY DOWN THERE AND THAT PATHWAY IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S WAYS TO GET THAT CHANGED BUT IT'S JUST NOT WIDE ENOUGH. THE OTHER THING I'M A RETIRED SAFETY PROFESSIONAL AND MOSTLY INDUSTRIES THAT I'VE WORKED IN. WE HAD TO HAVE LOW SPEED VEHICLES FOR GETTING PEOPLE AROUND BECAUSE OUR FACILITIES WERE BIG. WE HAD ADDED SAFETY MEASURES
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LIKE SEATBELT USE FOR EVERYBODY. IF YOU REMEMBER JOHN ELWAY, HIS BEST FRIEND OR SOMEBODY RECENTLY THAT'S REALLY CLOSE TO HIM WAS KILLED BECAUSE HE FELL OFF THE BACK OF A LOW SPEED VEHICLE. SO THERE'S OTHER SAFETY RULES THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AS WELL LIMITING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE VEHICLE TO WHAT IT'S RECOMMENDED. FOR INSTANCE IF IT'S A FOUR OR FIVE SEATER, YOU CAN'T HAVE TEN PEOPLE RUNNING ON KEEPING PEOPLE'S HANDS AND ARMS AND LEGS INSIDE A VEHICLE NOT PARKING NEAR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT LIKE OUR HYDRANTS, OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, ETC. NO RACING YOU MAY WANT CONSIDER THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS WHEN THE VEHICLES PART LET'S SAY IT GOES TO YOUR FACILITY DOWN THERE IF YOU LEAVE THE KEY IN THERE SOMEBODY CAN TAKE IT SO YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT IN NEUTRAL TAKE THE KEY WITH YOU OR SOME KEYS. THOSE KEYS ARE UNIVERSAL OR UNIVERSAL.THEY ARE I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN JUMP IN YOUR GOLF CART AND MOVE THAT AND THAT HAPPENS AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIE. IT HAPPENS IN THE CROWD AS TO WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS THEY ARE I DID NOT KNOW. LET'S STICK TO THE SCRIPTURES OR ONE OF THEM.
SO THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO TO SAY AND THIS IS MAYBE OUT OF THE SCOPE AND I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PROTOCOLS HERE BUT AS A WHEN I'M OUT RIDING ON THE PATHWAYS I'M SEEING MORE OF THESE CLASS THREE E-BIKES THINGS OVER 750 WATTS AND THEY'RE SPEEDING DOWN THE PATHWAYS GOING WELL OVER 40 MILES SOMETIMES OF COMPASSION IN THE SPEED TRACK OF TRAFFIC THINGS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED OF THAT OR SOME TYPE OF ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DRIVING THOSE VEHICLES BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT.
THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. LAST CALL FOR IS THERE ANY WAY ON ELSE IT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU GOT 3 MINUTES IT'S TODD WYATT I'M AT 26 CASTLE POINT ROAD.
I MOVED HERE IN 2000 SO I'VE SEEN BLUFFTON GROW ONE OF THE ATTRACTIONS I THINK GOLF CARTS PEOPLE COME HERE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO VISIT AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME OH MY GOD, IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY SO TO BE ABLE TO RIDE AROUND ON A GOLF CART AND GO TO THE OLD TOWN, GO DOWN BY CHURCH AND CROSS, BE ABLE TO DRIVE AROUND AND PART OF THAT IS THE ONLY THING IN THE WINTERTIME IS IT GETS DARK AND IT STINKS AND MY WIFE SHE WORKS LATE AND SHE LIKES TO GET HOME AND ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS SHE LIKES TO DO IS GO ON A GOLF CART AND I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT. SO YOUR POINT IS OKAY AT NIGHT ALLOW IT AT NIGHT WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT. YES.
AND IT ALSO MAKES THE TOWN BEAUTIFUL AND ATTRACTIVE. THANK YOU, SIR.
MA'AM MA'AM. I'M AARON ORTON AND I LIVE AT 12 GRACE AND CIRCLE AS YOU WELL KNOW MY QUESTION WELL, NOT A QUESTION. A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THEIR GOLF CARTS TO GO DOWN TO OSCAR FRAZIER WITH THEIR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND STUFF AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS ON THOSE GOLF AND I AM CERTAINLY HOPING THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR SEATBELT ON THE GOLF CARTS NOW WE'VE GOT A GOLF CART THAT AUTOMATICALLY HAS THE SEATBELTS ON IT AND HAS THE LIGHTS ON IT HAS THE TURN SIGNALS. BUT ANYWAY, MY QUESTION AND IT'S PROBABLY TO HIM OVER THERE WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN BLUFFTON ROAD FROM THE FOUR WAY STOP DOWN THE LIBRARY, MOST PEOPLE WILL RIDE THEIR GOLF CARTS ON THEM.
I'LL SAY IN BIKE PATH BECAUSE BICYCLES BICYCLISTS DON'T THAT BIKE THE BIKE PATH ALONG BLUFFTON ROAD THEY RIDE THEIR BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK BUT ANYWAY MOST PEOPLE IN THEIR GOLF CARTS WILL RIDE DOWN AND THE BIKE PATHS ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO THAT OR DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE GOLF CART ON THE ROAD SO YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING THE GOLF CART ON THE ROAD BY STATE
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LAW AS LONG AS THE ROADWAY IS BELOW 35 MILES THAT YES, THEY SHOULD BE THERE ON THE AND NOT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IF YOU'RE IF WE'RE ON OUR GOLF COURSE WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD THERE YET AND UPSET BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GO MORE 30 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN KEEP YOUR GOLF CART ON THE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL ARE TO ENFORCE THE CODES. I DON'T I HATE TO TELL YOU TO GO OVER TO THE OSCAR FRAZIER FIELD OR THE OTHER FIELDS TO SEE ALL THE PEOPLE COMING UP WHICH IS GOOD THAT PEOPLE ARE RIGHT USING THE GOLF CARTS TO TAKE THE KIDS TO THE SPORTING THINGS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.SO ANYWAY THAT'S THE COMMENT AND THAT WAS A QUESTION. SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE IS PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO COUNT ALL WHO LOST AS BEING FIRST AND I HAVE A QUESTION AND COMMENT.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE IT STATES THAT THOSE NOW WHO WILL GET THE CARS ARE REQUIRED TO GET THE CUSTOMIZATIONS IN TERMS OF LIKE THE CAA I MEAN THE PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE, THE COW PAY, THE $5 FEE AND ALL THAT WHO'S GOING TO BE THE AUTHORIZING AGENCY AND ENSURING THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO THROUGH DMV AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. WELL, THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ALSO HAVE ITS OWN WAY TO INSURE THOSE IS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY REGULATE FOOD TRUCKS AND OTHER VEHICLES TOO.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. I MEAN THEY'RE AS FAR AS THE INSURANCE FOR ALL LIKE IF A PERSON'S REQUIRED BASED ON THIS ORDINANCE TO COME UP TO STANDARDS BASED OFF OF THE WAY THAT DMV IS REQUIRING IT, HOW ARE WE THEN AS A GOVERNING AGENCY ENSURING THEY HAVE IT? SO FOR INSTANCE LIKE A FOOD TRUCK OR ANY OTHER LIKE ANY OTHER VEHICLES REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT THROUGH THESE AGENCIES.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE TOWN SHOWING THAT THEY DO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO LIKE I'M ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO SHOW PROOF OF THOSE DECALS IN TERMS OF LIKE WE KNOW WHO'S WHO IS OPERATING WHO'S IN COMPLIANCE DECALS SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT MORE OF OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE DMV ASPECT IT WHICH IS DEALING WITH TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE YOUR INSURANCE YOU PAID THAT $5 BUT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO IT.
CAN WE CREATE ALMOST LIKE A LOCAL DECAL THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY? LET'S SAY YOU HAD THE GOLF CART AND YOU CONVERTED, YOU ADDED THE LIGHTS YOU ADDED THE TURN SIGNAL, YOU ADDED THE SEATBELTS SO THAT THAT PERSON THEN WOULDN'T GET NECESSARILY PULLED OVER ALL THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME IF WE CREATED SOME TYPE OF TOWN DECALS THAT WAY THE POLICE OFFICERS, IF THEY WERE DRIVING BY THEY WOULD SEE THAT THAT TOWN DECAL AND KNOW THAT THAT VEHICLE'S ALREADY BEEN CHECKED. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE WELL I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF TO ABOUT THAT LIKE I DON'T WE DON'T WE DON'T MEAN ANYTHING IF I GOING TO BE MORE CUMBERSOME BUT I'M JUST ASKING LIKE LIKE HOW WE'RE YEAH HOW ARE WE KNOWING JUST TO MAKE SURE LIKE PEOPLE AREN'T SKIRTING I LIKE SWITCHING DECALS OR SWITCHING TAGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND. I HELP WITH THAT NO PROBLEM GETTING BY UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT. I, I JUST DID SOME OF THIS I UM I APPLIED FOR THE DECALS AND TOOK ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AND WENT ONLINE. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD IT THE DECALS IS ONCE YOU PUT IT ON THERE IT'S IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON THEIR IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN THEY GIVE YOU FOR THE BOATS AND THINGS IT'S PRETTY ADHESIVE. THE SECOND PART IS WHEN SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME BUT I THINK IT STATES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOW KEEP YOUR PROOF OF INSURANCE ON THE GOLF CART. SO I TOOK A LITTLE BAGGIE AND PRINTED MY INSURANCE CARD AND IT'S ALL MY GOLF CART AND THEN I ALSO JUST RECENTLY HAD THE SEATBELTS PUT ON IT SO I CAN ABIDE BY THE RULES FOR A CHANGE BUT SO I SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THAT ON YOUR GOLF CART. YEAH. OTHER THAN THAT THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. AND SO THE DMV IS IS ENSURING ALL THAT SO MY OTHER CONCERN WASN'T A QUESTION BUT MORE SO A COMMENT. I'M FOR PASSING THIS AND ALLOWING THE NIGHT IN TERMS OF SAFETY. HOWEVER AM CONCERNED IN OUR AREAS WHERE WE ALLOW PARALLEL PARKING CURRENTLY THAT CREATE BLIND SPOTS THAT ARE ALREADY
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PROBLEMATIC FOR VEHICLES. I SEE THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE AS WELL FOR THOSE ON CARTS I JUST HOPE LIKE AS WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR GENERAL SAFETY PLAN ESPECIALLY IN OLD TOWN AND WE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THAT I KNOW WE HAVE THE LIGHTS WHATEVER SUPPOSED TO BE COMING SO MUCH LIKE DOWNTOWN AREAS WE DID OUR WHOLE PEDESTRIAN STUDY AND KIM DID A PRESENTATION THAT IN TERMS OF LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE AT CROSSWALKS RIGHT NOW EVERYONE'S HAVING LIKE A FREE FOR ALL YEAH. DOING CARS AND PEDESTRIANS AND WHO WAS GOING FIRST.I'M SAYING WE GIVE CONSIDERATION TO SAFETY. WE TAKE THIS MEASURE TO ALLOW NIGHT DRIVING FOR GOLF CARTS THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN THERE JUST ENSURING THAT WE HAVE MORE VISIBILITY AND PROMOTING SAFETY FOR OUR CARS PEDESTRIANS AND THOSE OPERATING THESE VEHICLES.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN INCLUDE FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT NOT NECESSARILY THAT DOESN'T TO BE IN THE CODE BUT AS GREAT INFORMATION AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT THE HIGHWAYS ASPECT OF IT. SURE AND JUST BRIEFLY I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THE PART ABOUT THE LOW SPEED VEHICLES, THE GOLF CART SO THIS DOES NOT PERTAIN TO THE U.S. THESE IT'S IN THE STATE BILL THAT THEY HAVE TO CURRENTLY IS BE REGISTERED WITH THE DMV.
THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PASSING.
CORRECT. BUT I'M SORRY SO SORRY KNOW I TALK ABOUT THE PART ABOUT THE GOLF AND THE LOW SPEED VEHICLES BEING REGISTERED WITH THE DMV AND GETTING THE PERMIT THAT IS PART OF THE STATE LAW, NOT THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE JUST INCLUDING THAT THAT THAT INFORMATION IN THERE. OKAY. IT SOUNDS GOOD.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I AM GOOD WITH THE DRIVING AT DARK WITH THE APPROPRIATE HEADLIGHTS, TAIL LIGHTS AND BLINKERS AND WITH ADDING THE THE CHILD RESTRAINTS WHETHER IT BE A BABY OR LIKE YOU MENTIONED OR A CAR FOR KIDS THAT ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO HIS UNCLE DENNIS AND I GUESS THE BEST THE BEST WAY THAT THE POLICE WILL BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE LIGHTS AND YOU'RE DRIVING AT NIGHTTIME, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW.
SO AND THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW ONCE THAT ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE WE'VE EDUCATED YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO IT.
THEN FROM POLICE AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT MOST LIKELY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS GETTING A WARNING OR A TICKET YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE THOSE LIGHTS AND THAT AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN FRAZIER ASKED IS ULTIMATELY THE COMPLIANCE IS GOING TO BE PART OF NIGHTTIME WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE LIGHTS ON YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT LIGHTS.
AND THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS WE ZIGZAG SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY BUT THEN COME INTO THE TOWN I KNOW WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS ALL JOY THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE STATE OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE SO THAT WILL BE AN EDUCATION AS WELL THAT WE PUT OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY DO NOT HAVE IT ANYWHERE IN THEIR FUTURE PLANS ADOPT THE ORDINANCE COUNTYWIDE SO THIS WOULD ONLY AFFECT THE TOWN LIMITS SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO EDUCATE THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE TOWN AND ONCE YOU ENTER THE TOWN LIMITS THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AND THEN THE POLICE WILL HAVE TO ENFORCE JUST LIKE WE'LL DO WITH THE HANDS FREE.
IT'LL BE AN EDUCATION PROCESS. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
IT MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE CHIEF. LET'S SAY THAT THERE IS A GOLF CART.
LET'S JUST SAY IT'S ALL ADULTS FOR TO MAKE THIS EASY QUESTION AND IT'S PACKED.
I MEAN LET'S SAY EIGHT PEOPLE ON A FOUR SEATER GOLF CART IS BESIDES WRITING INTO THIS ORDINANCE. WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED RECKLESS DRIVING OR SOMETHING TO EXTENT WHERE YOU COULD PULL THEM OVER IF THEY TRULY IT'S SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE THE STATUTE THE STATE STATUTE ONLY SAYS IF A DRIVER CURRENTLY HAS TO BE SEAT BELTED IN WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE IF WE REQUIRE EVERYBODY TO BE SEATBELT TO DO THEN WE COULD EASILY SAY LOOK THIS CAR ONLY HAS FOUR SEATBELTS. YOU HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE ON THIS CAR EVERYBODY THAT'S THIS CAR THAT'S NOT WEARING A SEATBELT WILL BE ISSUED A WARNING OR INFRACTION. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SEATBELT THING EVERYONE JUST THOSE UNDER 12 I DON'T EVEN YOU GOT TO BRING IT UP. YES.
OKAY. I THOUGHT I SAID FOR EVERYBODY SO MY APOLOGIES UNDER 12 BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK I MEAN HIS POINTS VALID THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW IF EIGHT PEOPLE ON A 40 GOLF CART THERE'S ANY WAY TO CLEAR THAT OUT BEFORE WE LET YOU GO THEN SOMETHING ELSE MUST ALWAYS HAVE AS WELL. I'M I THINK WE'VE ALL KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INJURED ON GOLF CARTS AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A SEATBELT WOULD HAVE
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NECESSARILY PREVENTATIVE IT THERE'S A LOT OF CHANCES THAT IT WOULD HAVE WE'VE BECOME USED TO WEARING SEAT BELTS EVERY TIME WE PUT OUR FOOT IN OUR AUTOMOBILES.DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIG ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO ADJUST TO THE TO THE SEATBELT LAW THAT'S ALREADY REQUIRED. I THINK THAT IS EASY TO DO. THE OTHER ONE IS LIKE YOU JUST SAID AND WE HAVE THOSE OF US UP HERE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE GOING THROUGH BEFORE WE STOP WITH ONE HAND ON THE STEERING WHEEL AND AN INFANT IN THE OTHER ARM AND WE'VE SEEN THE GOLF CARTS LOADED UP WITH SEEN THEM MULTIPLE TIMES WITH SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE STANDING ALL EVERY PLACE ALL OVER THE PLACE. I THINK YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HARM US.
WE'RE WE'RE KEEPING THE GOLF CART CULTURE OF BLUFFTON ALIVE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY WORKING TOWARDS AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT MANAGEABLE AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY INCREASE IT IN SOME WAYS BY ALLOWING NIGHTTIME DRIVING THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TWEAK IT TO JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER, A LITTLE MORE FRIENDLY AND I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS. BUT YES DEFINITELY FOR THE CHILD RESTRAINTS AND THE SEATBELTS AND AGAIN YOU CAN GO ONLINE DOWNLOAD THE PERMIT YOU HAVE TO SEND IT AND TO THEM WITH A $5 CHECK IT TOOK 3 TO 4 WEEKS.
IT'S NOT A HARD THING TO DO SO IN AND BEFORE I FORGET STEPHEN THIS IS A SIDEBAR THAT CHUCK BROUGHT UP WE DO NEED TO LOOK INTO THESE ELECTRIC BIKES ON THE WALKWAY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU. MR. WOOD OKAY, SO I JUST WANT TO BRING UP SOME HYPE VERTICAL SITUATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU GET IN YOUR CAR IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ROAD YOU'RE GOING ON WHETHER THE SPEED LIMIT IS TEN MILES AN HOUR, 40 MILES AN HOUR OR 70 ON 95. IT'S A LAW TO PUT YOUR SEATBELT ON AND IF YOU'RE PUTTING A BABY IN THAT CAR OR CHILD IN THAT CAR, IT'S THE LAW TO PUT THAT CHILD IN A RESTRAINT IF YOU DON'T AND SOMETHING HAPPENS YOU ARE THE ONE THAT'S CHARGED AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY. I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE. LOVE GOLF CARTS I HAVE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM AT THE HOUSE SO SO DON'T TAKE WHAT I'M SAYING WRONG BUT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE RULES OR REGULATIONS IS AS FAR AS SEATBELTS AND CHILD RESTRAINT SHOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT ON A GOLF COURSE CART WHERE YOU ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT WITH A CAR OR TRUCK OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE ZERO PROTECTION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU REALLY IT'S ALMOST IS IT JUST AS BAD AS A BICYCLE BASICALLY I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO HAVE OUR ORDINANCE SAY THAT EVERYONE ON THE GOLF CART NEEDS A SEATBELT IF YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU HAVE SEATBELTS AND I MEAN UNLESS YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER IF YOU'VE TWO SIX YEAR OLDS, YOU KNOW BESIDE YOU ON A GOLF CART AND THEY'RE BOTH BUCKLED IN AND ONE BELT AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THAT BUT BABIES WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS FOR THE POUNDAGE, WHAT IS UNDER 30 OR SO HAS TO BE IN A SEAT.
WE PUT OUR GRANDKIDS ON A GOLF CART. WE BUCKLE THEM IN ON THE AND THEY ARE HOPEFULLY JUST AS SAFE AS THEY WOULD BE RIDING IN THE TRUCK OR THE CAR BLINKERS IN MY OPINION ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN A HAD AN INCIDENT JUST THREE DAYS AGO OR SO RIDING DOWN ALL JOY IT WAS A GOLF CART CRUISER ON DOWN THERE I DON'T KNOW 15, 20 MILES AN HOUR NORMAL. THERE WAS A CAR FRONT OF ME SO THAT CAR ROAD WAS STRAIGHT SO THAT CAR STARTED TO GO AROUND GOLF CART, YOU KNOW, NO DOUBLE YELLOW LINE NOT FLYING OR ANYTHING. WELL ABOUT THE TIME THE CAR PULLED UP PASS THE GOLF CART, TURN LEFT LUCKILY NOTHING YOU KNOW THE DRIVER OF THE CAR WAS PAYING ATTENTION WAS ABLE TO SLOW DOWN AND NOT T-BONE HIM BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S LAW YOUR TRUCK OR YOUR CAR HAS TO HAVE THESE SAFETY FEATURES BLINKERS LIGHTS, SEATBELTS AND IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR FAMILIES KIDS OUT THERE IN THE SAME ON THE SAME ROADS WITH THE SAME OTHER VEHICLES, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD BE SERIOUS ABOUT MAKING THEM HAVE THE SAME RESTRAINT, THE SAME RULES AS A VEHICLE MEANING BLINKERS, LIGHTS, SEATBELTS, INSURANCE, REGISTRATION YOU KNOW, THE STICKER AND I'M ALL FOR THIS ORDINANCE TOO. BUT THINK WE NEED THESE RESTRICTIONS? I KNOW IT WOULD BOTHER ME LOT IF WE SAID OKAY YOU GUYS CAN
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RIDE OUT HERE WITH NO SEATBELTS AND THEN A KID GETS IN AN ACCIDENT KILLED OR WHATEVER AND THEY SAY OH WELL BLUFFTON SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WEAR A SEATBELT EVEN THOUGH COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU SEATBELTS DO SAVE LIVES. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM AND I KNOW WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT. AGREE. I DISAGREE.I'M GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT I MEAN I'M OBVIOUSLY STATE LAW UNDER 12 COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT FAR AS ADULTS REQUIRING THEM TO WEAR DOWN I MEAN YES, I THINK IT IS SMART.
ABSOLUTELY I THINK IT'S SAFETY WISE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO LEGALLY REQUIRE WHERE THEY COULD GET PULLED OVER IF A POLICE OFFICER SEES THEM RIDING A GOLF CART WITH ON A SEATBELT ON. YES PLEASE. SO EVEN BY STATE LAW THE PASSENGER WE CANNOT STOP A CAR AT THE PASSENGER IS NOT WEARING A SEATBELT.
IT HAS TO BE THE OPERATOR NOW IF WE STOP THE CAR THAT PERSON DID NOT HAVE THE SEATBELT ON THE PASSENGER THEN WE COULD ISSUE A CITATION BUT. IT DOES NOT GIVE A JUSTIFICATION TO STOP THE CAR IF THE PASSENGER DOESN'T HAVE THE SEATBELT ON IF THAT MAKES SENSE. ALSO I WOULD ENCOURAGE JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHART THE SOUTH CAROLINA CHILD PASSENGER SAFETY LAW I THINK WE ADOPTED THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE RESTRICTIONS OF WHEN THE BBC NEEDS TO BE INVERTED OR FACE IN BACKWARDS OR FACE OF FORWARDS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE KIND OF INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR AUDIENCE OR AT LEAST GIVE THE FIRST CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE AGE OF EIGHT AND IF WE DO STRAP A CHILD TO OUR CHEST LIKE IT PROPOSES THAT PERSON FALLS OUT OF THE CAR OR OUT OF THE GOLF CAR AND THEY LAND ON THE BABY. I MEAN A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN. SO JUST IN THE INTERESTS OF PUBLIC SAFETY I WOULD RECOMMEND ADOPTING THIS. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNSEL FOR KEVIN ? WELL, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION MY SUGGESTIONS.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP SO WE CAN YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY CAN THINK ABOUT IT SO WELL I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT RULE DON'T OR DO OR WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE'LL KIND OF GO WE'LL TAKE ALL THIS INFORMATION MAY GIVE US SOME CHOICES YEAH NECESSARY THAT YOU KIND OF ALL AGREED ON AND THEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU WERE OF SPECIFIC EACH OF YOU HAD SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS AND WE CAN OF PUT THAT AS ALTERNATES TO SHOW LIKE OKAY IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE THEN THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO TO INCLUDE AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR FIRST READING THEN AGAIN YOU GUYS COULD YOU COULD VOTE ON ONE VERSION IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THEN WE COULD GO TO OPTION. SO AT LEAST THAT WAY YOU KNOW IF YOU LIKED IF YOU LIKE THE MAYOR'S IDEA ABOUT THE YOU KNOW, THE ALL SEATBELTS AND THEN IF YOU LIKE YOU KNOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU HAD WAS WHAT DID YOU SAY? LIMIT NO MORE SEAT NO MORE LIMIT THAN SEATBELTS. YES. SO WE CAN ADD THAT AND ALSO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS THE SAFETY CHILD SAFETY INFORMATION WE CAN ADD THAT AS WELL AND.
THEN YOU COULD CONSIDER ALMOST KIND OF LIKE ALL THE CART WHAT ITEMS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK LEGAL TO LOOK INTO THIS I KNOW LIKE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR GOLF CARTS SO WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT GOLF CARTS DO IF WE MAKE AN ORDINANCE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WEAR A SEATBELT WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN ACTION WHERE IS THE TOWN ON THE LEGAL SIDE OF WRONGFUL DEATH SUITS AND ALL THAT? I MEAN I DON'T NEED THE ANSWER NOW BUT IF YOU WILL LOOK INTO THAT, MAKE SURE THAT WE OR YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE COVERED FROM THAT SIDE OF IT IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THE SAME THING THAT THE STATE THAT WE CAN'T DO LESS AND MORE THAN THAT THEY WE CAN'T DO LESS IN THE STATE.
GOTCHA. SO YOU GOT THE 12 YEAR OLD STATE SEATBELT REQUIREMENT BUT THE STATE DOESN'T REQUIRE ALL RESTRAINT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING SEATBELTS CORRECT.
OKAY. IF THAT'S IT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO MOVED.
GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK ALL FOR COMING OUT.
I HOPE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.