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[5. PROPOSED SEABROOK FARMS DEVELOPMENT, 214 SEABROOK ROAD--DOUG NICOLL, MANAGING PARTNER, JADES LAND CO.]
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IF YOU READ YOUR CATEGORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, IT'S RESIDENTIAL USE IMPLIES THAT RESIDENTIAL IS IN FACT THE PRIMARY USE VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES.GROSS RESIDE AT RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, NO MORE THAN TWO TO DECRE SACRED.
SO WHEN WE COME IN FOR THE REZONE, WE WILL FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS OUTLINED IN YOUR PLAN.
NOW, YOUR PLAN WAS DONE IN 2009 AND THERE WAS AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH IT BETWEEN COUNTY, CITY AND TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT, IT STATES THAT THE PARTICIPATING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AGREE THAT DURING THE DRAFTING OF THEIR COMP PLANS, THEY'LL COLLECTIVELY ESTABLISH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES WITHIN THE REGIONAL PLAN.
SO THIS PLAN WAS DONE AND THE AGREEMENT WAS DONE IN MAY OF 2009.
THE COUNTY COMP PLAN WAS REDONE IN NOVEMBER OF 21.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE COUNTY, IT SHOWS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE FUTURE GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND IS LISTED AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
AND WITHIN THEIR CATEGORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
IT STATES STATES THE SAME BASICALLY AS IT'S A MIXED USE OF LAND USES GROSS RESIDENTIAL MAXIMUM OF TWO A USE PER ACRE, WHICH WE'LL COME IN AND FOLLOW.
SO IT ALSO, AFTER WE GET TO THE CITY OF BEAUFORT, THEIR COMP PLAN WAS DONE IN 2021.
AND WITHIN THEIR COMP PLAN, IT SHOWS THEIR FUTURE LAND USE DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY AND THEIR FUTURE LAND USE WITH POTENTIAL ANNEXATION AREAS DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, AND THIS WAS THEIR PLAN WAS DONE AFTER THE REGIONAL PLAN WAS DONE.
THEY DIDN'T INCORPORATE ANY OF THE, THE IDEAS OF THE REGIONAL GROWTH BOUNDARIES INTO THEIR FUTURE COMP PLAN.
SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE CITY.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE CITY DOES, DOESN'T WANT TO ANNEX NORTH OF WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW OF CLATON FARMS, WHICH IS ALL THIS OPEN SPACE AREA, WHICH WOULD STRETCH THEIR SERVICES, YOU KNOW, TREMENDOUSLY TO GET UP THAT, THAT FAR UP.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO SEE ABOUT STAYING IN THE COUNTY AND JUST REZONING THROUGH THE COUNTY AND FOLLOWING THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE, MAPPING COMP PLAN AND NEAR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IN THE OUTLINING AREAS.
SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH THIS ONCE WE FIND THE, THE SUBMITTAL AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
'CAUSE THAT PLAN CHANGED FROM THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
ONCE WE MET WITH THE AIR STATION AND THE WENT OVER SOME OF THE AC ACRES LINES THAT SOME OF THE LAND USES HAD TO MOVE, WE HAD TO SHIFT SOME USES AROUND.
SO THAT PLAN WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT AND COME BACK TO YOU.
BUT TODAY WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE, WE'VE MET WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY TOGETHER AND WE HAD JUST BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHETHER WE SHOULD ANNEX OR NOT.
THIS PROPERTY IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY OF BEAUFORT VIA ACROSS THE, THE CREEKS, BUT IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE OPEN SPACE NOT DEVELOPED, DON'T HAVE ANY SERVICES.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE REASON PROBABLY WHY THEY DON'T WANNA STRETCH THAT FAR UP.
BUT WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF A DIRECTION OF HOW WE CAN TAKE THIS.
WE'D RATHER STAY IN THE COUNTY AND GO DIRECTLY INTO A REZONE WITH THE COUNTY AND FOLLOW A GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF YOUR PLAN AND THE COUNTY'S PLAN AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES ACTUALLY OF THE CITY PLAN.
WHO DOESN'T WANT THIS SPEECH ANNEXATION? I'LL BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, SO THE, THE ATION EASEMENT IS PART OF THE PARCEL, PART OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE, I'M NOT PURCHASING THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT, I'M ONLY PURCHASING A PART OF THE REMAINING PROPERTY AND SO THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT I'M GOING TO PURCHASE WILL NOT BE CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY.
SO I HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE MINE OUT FOR THE PURCHASE OF WHAT I'M BUYING AND THAT PARCEL WILL NOT BE CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY PROPERTY.
I'LL DO THAT AFTER, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS, BUT, WELL, IF EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ S TOO, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A GOOD HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT THROUGH AND WHY WE ALL THIS.
YOU SOLD THE SYSTEM OF MEETINGS 325 AND WHAT, UM, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE MEMO.
PARDON ME? WHAT'S THE PLAN DENSITY ON THAT AND WHAT ZONING, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED? WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE COUNTY ZONING OF TT FOUR, T THREE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL SITE OF SI AND THEN WE'LL DONATE A FIRE SUBSTATION, A POLICE SUBSTATION.
THAT'LL BE SI AND SOME COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING A MAP AMENDMENT AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON IT? A MAP AMENDMENT? OKAY.
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JUST A REZONE TO THOSE CATEGORIES, WHICH ARE ALL COUNTY CATEGORIES PLANS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.WE'RE LOOKING TO THE MOST LIKELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL GO TO THAT PIECE ADJACENT, WHICH I'M LOOKING TO GET UNDER CONTRACT THAT BILLY OWNS THE 58 ACRES.
UM, THE, THE ACRES, HOW HOW'S THAT GONNA IMPACT THE ACRES FALLS WITHIN A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT FALLS WITHIN 65, WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL.
WE MOVED THE INDUSTRIAL OVER TO THAT AREA AND SHIFTED TO THE RESIDENTIAL AROUND.
AND NOW WE'RE, WE FALL WITHIN THE 60, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE, USES RESIDENTIAL AS FALLS WITHIN THAT.
HOW MANY ACRES IS IN THAT INDUSTRIAL WHERE YOU SHIPPED? IT'LL BE ABOUT 60 ACRES TO 65.
YOU SPEAK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING
UM, WITH THE LAND COSTS AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND IMPACT FEES.
WE'RE HOPING WE CAN BE WITHIN THE LOW THREE HUNDREDS AS BEING AFFORDABLE.
YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING UNDER 300 WITH THE, WITH ALL THE IMPACT FEES, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE LUMBER COSTS, AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
BY THE TIME, EVEN IF I SPENT $10,000 ON JUST THE LAND FOR A LOT, I'M SPENDING ANOTHER 60 TO DEVELOP THAT LOT.
IF YOU'VE HAD DIFFERENT SUBSIDIES THAT YOU COULD USE AS TRADEOFFS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I MEAN IF I, IF BEAUFORT COUNTY WOULD BE WILLING TO GET RID OF A 13,000 OR $15,000 IMPACT FEE PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND THAT SAVES A LOT.
IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW FIX THE TARIFFS WHERE IT DOESN'T TARIFF LUMBER COMING IN FROM CANADA.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST VERY EXPENSIVE TO DELIVER A HOUSE.
I MEAN, WE, WE ARE DOING MIX OF HOUSES, SO WE'LL DO A TOWN HOME PRODUCT, A ALLEY LOADED SINGLE FAMILY AND STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY AND THE TOWN HOMES.
WE HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET INTO ONE UNDER 300 FOR CASPER SOER.
THERE'S AN EXISTING SUB UH, PUMP STATION ON THE HIGH SCHOOL SITE.
WE'LL HAVE TO UPGRADE THAT PUMP STATION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO UPGRADE THE FORCE MAIN LEADING OUT OF IT.
WE'LL HAVE THE PUMP STATION WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISION AND THERE'S PLENTY OF WATER UP THERE THAT WILL EXTEND THOSE WATER LINES TO THE, TO THE POST OFFICE WATER AND SEWER, TO THE POST OFFICE.
WE'LL EXTEND WATER AND SEWER OUT TO, UM, DETOUR ROAD FOR ANY TIE-INS EVENTUALLY IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IT, IT WOULD HAVE SEWER, NOT S YES, IT WOULD'VE SEWER.
WE HAVE TO MAKE ALL THOSE UPGRADES TO THE BUFORD COUNTY LINES.
MAYBE SAY HOW MANY UNITS AGAIN? I'M, I'M SORRY.
IT'S A HUNDRED FIFTY, SIX HUNDRED FIFTY MIX OF USES.
I GOT GERALD, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT YOU ON SPEAKER.
CAN YOU HEAR ME DAVE? YEAH, I I CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, EVERYTHING CAME THROUGH SPOTTY, UM, AND IT IS REALLY NOT CLEAR, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I'LL, I'LL WAIT TILL, UM, SO WE CAN FURTHER THE PROCESS.
I HEARD YOU, UH, UH, SORT OF THE DEVELOPER.
WE'VE MET WITH GERALD PREVIOUSLY.
WE'VE MET WITH BUFORD JAPER MET WITH THE FIRE STATION, WE'VE MET WITH, UM, THE AIR STATIONS.
WE'VE MET WITH SPANISH MOSS TRAIL FOLKS AND, UM, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH, UH, SEABROOK AND STEWART POINT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST WEEK OR THIS PREVIOUS WEEK.
SO YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOME COMMUNITY INCENTIVES.
UH, IF YOU DO GET THIS CHANGE, HOW, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT? WITHOUT A CONTRACT IN PLACE? WITHOUT A CONTRACT IN PLACE FOR, FOR THOSE COMMUNITY INCENTIVES.
SO IF WE GIVE YOU, IF WE GIVE YOU THAT AMENDMENT, HOW CAN WE HOLD YOU ACCOUNT? I WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE, THOSE SUBSTATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS BILLED AND THROUGH DEVELOPMENT GRANT.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT 'CAUSE OKAY.
UM, QUICKLY SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT, UM, HOW WAS THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN
AND WITHIN THAT, THAT DISTRICT, THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED TO, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE SEGMENT 10 THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND SEGMENT NINE THEN
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DECLARED IN FARM FOLKS WILL, OR THE SPANISH MOSS TRAIL PEOPLE WILL FINISH SEGMENT SEVEN FROM CLAIN UP TO THERE.SO PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SEGMENTS 10 AND NINE.
THEN WE'LL DO A, UH, TRAILHEAD PARKING LOT AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE TRAIL IN SEABROOK ROAD.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO IN DEPTH OF IT, BUT, UM, THE OLD, UM, GENERAL STORE UP THERE, PART OF MY PURCHASE, AND I'M LOOKING TO GET GRANTS TO REHAB AND RESTORE THAT FACILITY TO DO LIKE AN OUTPOST THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY HAVE KAYAK RENTALS, FISHING BAIT AND TACKLE AND BIKE RENTALS.
BRING BACK A LITTLE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING, THE POST OFFICE RIGHT, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE POST OFFICE, THE EXISTING POST OFFICE.
AND THE OLD POST OFFICE WAS PART OF IT.
AND ALSO THE OLD PACKING HOUSE THAT'S ON THE PART OF, IT'S ON THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW.
WE'D LIKE TO REHAB THAT ALSO AND PUT THAT INTO A COMMUNITY EVENT CENTER, OYSTER ROSE, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO BE DONATING LAND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING SEABROOK COMMUNITY CENTER.
OR WE'RE HOPING FOR FUTURE EARLY LEARNING CENTER, TEEN CENTER OR AN EXPANSION OF THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO THAT'LL, THEY CURRENTLY SIT ON FOUR ACRES.
WE HAVE ANOTHER FOUR AND A HALF GIVE MOST, ALMOST TOTAL NINE ACRES THEY COULD USE FOR LIKE, TO SEE, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER OUT IN THAT AREA.
LIKE I SAID, WE'D ALSO BE EXTENDING WATER OUT TO THE POST OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE SEABRA HOOKS, HAVING A FIRE HYDRANT AT THEIR ENTRANCE.
THE SEGMENT NINE THAT'S COMING STRAIGHT FOR YOUR, TO THE PARK PROPERTY, SANDY GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL HAVE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, IN, INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
AND NINE IS THE ONE THAT PER THROUGH THE COUNTY PARK.
AND YOU TAKEN RATHER INVOLVED EASEMENT NECESSARILY? WELL, WE'RE WORKING WITH BEFORD JASPER ON THAT.
THEY, THEY OWN THE SEGMENT 10, 9 9 WILL WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT.
BUT THE COUNTY HAS THE TOTAL ALL THE WAY TO THE RIDGE.
SO GIBSON LITTLE FURTHER DOWN.
I DO KNOW THE SPANISH BALL TRAIL HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE EMBASSY, SO THIS WILL DEFINITELY, WHEN I MET WITH THEM, THEY WERE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT POSSIBILITIES.
AND I REALLY WANT TO FINISH THIS SEGMENT OF THE TRAIL, THE WHALE BRANCH BE A GAP BETWEEN THE, UM, INNOVATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA RUN ALONG WITH HER RIGHT OF WAY THERE GOING, IT'LL HAVE TO RUN ON 21, GET FROM THERE UP TO THE CEDAR PROPERTY.
NO, UH, THEY, THERE'S NO, THERE USED TO BE A BRIDGE.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND AND THAT MIGHT INVOLVE PAYING PROPERTY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT, THEY WANT TO ALIGN IT ALONG A, A HIGHWAY 21 RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE GRAZING ISSUE, BUT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT IN YOUR PLANNING HARDER GETTING A WHILE.
WHICH, UH, SO THE BIG, OUR BIG HOLD UP IS DETERMINING, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANT ANNEX IN THE CITY.
WE'D RATHER STAY IN THE COUNTY AND FOLLOW THEIR PLAN AND YOUR PLAN AND THE LANGUAGES THAT, THAT ARE CONFLICTING WITHIN THE INTER GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT STATING THAT WE HAVE THE 'CAUSE WE'RE CONTIGUOUS, BUT TECHNICALLY WE ARE, BUT TECHNICALLY WE'RE REALLY NOT.
UM, WE JUST WANT TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT OUR DIRECTION AND WE'D RATHER HAVE DIRECTION JUST GOING STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY FIRM NISSAN SON.
I DON'T HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH, UM, ANYTHING THAT SHE PRESENTED, UH, PERSONALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S DISTRICT.
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GONNA LEAVE LIKE THAT.CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME, DOUG? YES, SIR.
DID I, DID I HEAR, UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT LAND THERE? THE SEABROOK CENTER, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT INCLUDE? CURRENTLY THE SEABROOKS COMMUNITY CENTER SITS ON ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, PART OF MY PURCHASE IS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT THAT IS ON THE CORNER.
IT'S ADDITIONAL FOUR AND A HALF ACRES DONATING THAT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER SO THEY CAN LOOK AT GETTING, POSSIBLY EXPANDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR PUTTING IN A EARLY LEARNING CENTER OR TEEN CENTER.
SO I'D BE DEDICATING, DONATING AND JUST FOUR AND A HALF ACRES TO THE COMMUNITY COUNTY BE CENTER, NOT UNDER A SEABROOK COMMUNITY REC AS THE OWNERSHIP.
I DON'T KNOW, THE ONLY PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY HOUSE IS APARTMENT.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF GERALD KNOWS ANY DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S PARKS IN THE CAR THAT WAS PART OF THE, UM, AGREEMENT WITH MCLEOD, BUT THEY HAD
PART OF THIS PURCHASE ALSO GONNA BE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COVERS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
INDUSTRIAL PARK WILL BE, YEAH, WE'LL BE RE RESULTING PART OF IT FOR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
WE'RE WORKING WITH FER COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND GIVING THEM 60 ACRES, 65 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL LAND FOR FUTURE OFFICE FLEX SPACE.
ALSO WORKING WITH BILLY ON HIS PROPERTY WITH 20 ACRES OF HIS UPFRONT GOING 21 FOR FUTURE GROCERY OR AFFORDABLE.
SO BILLY'S PROPERTY CAN TAKE CONTIGUOUS TO THE PROPERTY OR ACROSS THE STREET.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT 50 ACRES HE'S ALREADY ZONED, SO WE WON'T BE LOOKING TO REZONE THAT PART.
HE'S ZONED UNDER THE STEWART SEABROOK STEWART POINT RESERVATION, WE'VE GOT THE SAME DENSITY, GROSS DENSITY TWO THE ACRES, ACRES I THINK WITH THE DENSITY, GOT THESE CLOSEST TO WALLS.
AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD DEFINITELY HELP OUT A DIVERSITY OF, UM, THE HIGH SCHOOL AND HELPING BUILD THAT HIGH SCHOOL UP SOME DIRE NEED OF STUDENTS.
IF YOU TALKED TO COLONEL GUY OR ANYBODY AT THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF ADDING MORE HOUSING FOR TEACHERS AND ALSO, UM, EXPANDING THE STUDENT DIVERSITY IN THERE, INCREASING THE STUDENT CAPACITY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SLY, WE'LL TRY OUR BEST GOOD BASED POND OR STORM WATER RETENTION AREAS.
ARE THEY ALREADY EXISTING? NO.
HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE INTER MEMBER AGREEMENT AND REQUIREMENTS? AND THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS THAT, UM, UH, THE ANNEXATION ISSUE AT THAT TIME, VERY GOOD WORD.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF, UM, CONCESSIONS MADE ON EVERYBODY'S PARTY.
UM, I I I, I THINK I JUST NEEDED, I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THERE AND AS WELL, AND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THEIR BIG PUSHBACK HERE AND THERE, THE, UM, BOUNDARY LINES, UH, WAS DETERMINED AT THAT TIME BECAUSE EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT IN TIME WAS ANNEXING EVERYTHING.
HELLMAN, I EVEN GOT AFRAID THAT ST.
HELEN WAS GONNA BE ADDING, UH, TO SOMEBODY.
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NEED TO REFRESH MY REMEMBRANCE WHAT HAPPENED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL TRUE TO, UH, THE POSITION OF THE COUNTY AND, AND IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, THEN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THAT.SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S CURIOUS THAT IT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE, RIGHT.
THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE NORTHERN PLAN IMPLEMENTED INTO THE COUNTY COMP PLAN AND THE CITY'S COMP PLAN AND EVERYBODY SAID THEY'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL FOLLOWING THE SAME DIRECTION.
AND WHEN THE CITY'S REVISED COMPLAIN CAME ON 21, IT DIDN'T SHOW FUTURE LAND USE BEING UP THERE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
SO IT'S KIND OF SHOWING ME THAT CITY DOESN'T WANT TO GROW NORTH OF WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW DUE TO SERVICES.
PROBABLY, PROBABLY, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THEIR COMP PLAN AS BEING PART OF THE CITY PUSHBACK, THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COME OVER HERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE LINE WAS BEING DRAWN.
AND, UM, SO I'M GLAD THAT TO HEAR THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO, YOU PREFER, I'VE HEARD SAYING COUNTY COUNTY'S ALREADY SERVICING THAT AREA IN TERMS FIRE AND POLICE AND IN TERMS OF THE CITY TO DRAG AND PUSH THEIR SERVICES THAT MUCH FURTHER NORTH OVER A GAP OF WHICH THEY HAVE IS JUST NOW OPEN SPACE AND IS STRETCHED FOR THE, FOR THAT MUNICIPALITY.
I THINK THE MCLEOD'S ALSO WANTED TO MAINTAIN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILY, UM, GROWTH.
WELL, UM, SO THEY PUSH OR OR RETAIN SOME LAND SO THAT IT CAN BE DEVELOPED.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE SAME LAND THAT YOU SU RIGHT NOW AND STUFF, SO, RIGHT.
SO I GUESS MY, MY LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? WE WANT TO GET OUR SUBMITTAL IN FOR REZONE ASAP? SO TIMELINE WISE, WE PROBABLY ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 18 MONTHS TO GET OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS IN PLACE AFTER REZONE AND THEN BREAK GROUND.
AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF TO, THEY SEE FIRST CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING.
SO PROBABLY KNOW TWO AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE MY HOUSE IS ON THE GROUND WITH PEOPLE IN IT, WITH THE BUILD OUT OF PROBABLY 10 YEARS.
NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT IT'LL BE SLOW PROCESS.
I THINK THE INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENT IS FAIRLY CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT ALL THE AGREEMENTS HAVE OR, OR HAVE, I'M NOT SURE, UH, UH, HAVING BEEN PART OF THE CITY, UM, UM, PLANNING PROCESS, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM OUR BOUNDARIES OR NOT, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, PROBABLY, UH, SOME DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY INSTITUTE.
UM, UH, A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE EVERYBODY, UH, SEES THIS GOING AND, UH, THE ZONING CATEGORIES ARE SIMILAR.
THE ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THE COUNTY ARE SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT THE CITY HAS.
I I REMEMBER WHEN THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE AIR STATION.
UM, AND AT ONE TIME THE CITY WAS GONNA, NOT ONLY IN CLATON, BUT ALSO
CLOUDS WERE KIND OF COUNTING ON THAT MM-HMM
AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN HAPPEN, BUT THAT WAS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY PUT THAT LAND CONSERVATION TO GET A HIGHER DENSITY.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT, WESTON NEWTON IS THE ONE THAT PUT IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THE COUNTY PUT ANY MONEY INTO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO MATCH THE MILITARY DOLLARS, THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO COME TO THIS BODY PURSE THAT WAS CHAIRMAN WESTON.
A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE SILVER OUT THERE.
I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT, UH, UH, WHAT THEIR DESIRES ARE, UH, GOING FORWARD, UH, WITH ALL THIS AND THEN, UH, GET TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY AND FIGURE THIS THING OUT, UH, AS TO WHERE EACH OF US, UH, UH, AND GERALD WAS ON COUNTY COUNCIL.
GERALD DOON WAS ON COUNTY COUNCIL.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO FACILITATE GETTING THAT STARTED, BUT WHO, WHO NEEDS TO BE ATTRIBUTED TO THAT MEETING? IT MAKES THE DECISION WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A FULL COUNCIL OR,
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I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY FIRST, FIRST I THINK THAT I, I DON'T BILL, BUT I THINK, UH, MY OPINION IS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO REVIEW IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE JUST READY TO START TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT OUR COMP PLAN AND OUR COMP PLAN THAT WE DID LAST TIME.
UH, UH, I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH THAT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, WE, WE WERE JUST STARTING TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME OF THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES WITH THE COUNTY AND, UM, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'VE COMPLETED THAT.
AND EVEN IF WE DID, UH, BACK WHEN WE DID THE COMP PLAN, I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARILY WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, I THINK THE CITY HAS GOT TO LOOK AT WHERE, UH, WHERE WE THINK WE ARE AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR, UH, THOSE BOUNDARIES.
AND THEN, UH, ONCE THE CITY HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT, THEN I THINK THERE'S A MEETING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THE, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
UH, I DON'T, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT RIGHT AWAY.
I THINK THIS IS, YEAH, MORE, UH, MORE ADMINISTRATIVE ABOUT WHERE, UH, WHERE ARE THINGS GOING, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT DOES BRING UP A POINT THAT, UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON OUR, UH, FUTURE LIST OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, FOR GROWTH BOUNDARIES, TRANSPORTATION AND ALL THAT, THAT, UH, UH, ARE STARTING TO BECOME, UH, VERY CRITICAL WITH, WITH ALL OF US THAT PROBABLY NEED BROUGHT UP TO THE TABLE, UM, SOONER THAN LATER AND BUY A FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BONUSES AND REIMBURSEMENT
WE HAVE, WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA WAY PRACTICALLY ANYMORE AND, ALRIGHT.
JUST GETTING THE WORKS BY A MINUTE.
DID, DID YOU APPLY FOR THE STATE, UH, TAX FOR SETUP? I HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANY.
I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.
THE REASON BEFORE I START DOING ALL THAT.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS? 650.
JUST A CONSISTENT ZONING THAT'S OUT THERE ALREADY WITH, UH, POINT AND BROOK RESERVATION.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH, I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GONNA GIVE THE GENERAL YEAH.
UM, I WANTED TO ECHO, UH, SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN GLOVER SAID IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN WAS DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, 2006, 2007 TIMEFRAME.
AND IT WAS A RESPONSE TO VERY CONTENTIOUS, THEY CALLED THAT ERA THE ANNEXATION WARS, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS A RESPONSE TO THAT AND IT WAS REALLY, IT CAME OUT OF TWO YEARS OF PEOPLE SITTING IN THE SAME ROOM.
SOME PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH, WITH EACH OTHER, COMPROMISING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO DRAW BOUNDARIES AND WHAT THE RULE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES WOULD BE WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES.
AND THE RULE OF THE COUNTY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES.
AND OUT OF THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BY ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS AND IT LAYS OUT THESE PRINCIPLES.
SO THE NUMBER ONE THING, IT DRAWS BOUNDARIES, WHICH IS BASICALLY PORT ROYAL ISLAND AND LADIES ISLAND.
AND IT SAYS WITHIN, UH, PORT ROYAL ISLAND, LADIES, ISLAND, ISLAND, THAT'S AREA THAT OVER TIME SHOULD BECOME MORE SUBURBAN AND URBAN.
AND THE PREFERRED METHOD OF UP, YOU KNOW, OF INCREASING DENSITY IS THROUGH ANNEXATION.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO TRY TO DEFER TO THE MUNICIPALITIES, TO UP ZONE IN, THERE'S GROWTH BOUNDARIES WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT OUTSIDE THE GROWTH BOUNDARIES, THE COUNTY IS NOT COMPETING WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND, AND UPSETTING AREAS IN ST.
SO ONE OF THE BASIC PRINCIPLES IN THE INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENT IS WHERE YOU HAVE CONTINUITY, WHICH MEANS THAT BY STATE LAW, ANNEXATION IS ACHIEVABLE.
SO WHERE YOU HAVE CONTINUITY, THE COUNTY IS SAYING, WE
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ARE NOT GOING TO UPSELL THAT PROPERTY.WE WILL DEFER TO THE MUNICIPALITY FOR ANNEXATION.
SO IT'S CLEARLY IN THAT AGREEMENT.
AND I WILL SAY THIS HAS BEEN, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE.
THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TIME PERIOD, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEN.
AND WE DON'T CALL THIS ERROR THE ANNEXATION WARS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGREED GROWTH FRAMEWORK AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LITTLE SQUABBLES HERE AND THERE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ABOUT HOW PROPERTY SHOULD DEVELOP.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T REACHING WAY OUT INTO THE, THE RURAL AREAS AND THE COUNTY'S NOT UPZONING AREAS OUT IN THE RURAL.
SO I, AND, AND WE HAVE MET WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY AND CONSISTENTLY HAVE TOLD THEM THAT YOUR PATH TO CHANGING THE ZONING IS THROUGH ANNEXATION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE CONTINUITY IN THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UPSET.
SO WE, WE MET WITH THE, THE CURRENT, UH, DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, WHO'S INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, CONVEY THAT MESSAGE.
BUT THE ONE THING I I SAID IS THAT FOR THE COUNTY TO EVEN CONSIDER UPSETTING THIS PROPERTY, WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING VERY DEFINITIVE FROM THE CITY THAT WOULD SAY, A, WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ANNEXING OUT THIS FAR AND, AND B, THAT THE CITY IS IN AGREEMENT WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARY IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS AGREEMENT AND ARRANGEMENT, WE HAVE TO WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES.
SO THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR.
WE, WE TAKE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT IN THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLAN VERY SERIOUSLY.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL POLICY DOCUMENT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM OTHER REGIONS ASKING, WELL, HOW DID YOU DO THIS? UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO VERY SERIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WELL, SO ESSENTIALLY, IF I UNDERSTAND, IT'S MORE OF A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, WELL, SO WE HAVE IT, IT REALLY ISN'T A RIGHT OF FIRST REFUSAL IN THE, THE, UM, INTERGOVERNMENT AGREEMENT, WHETHER IT'S CONTINUITY COUNTY IS SIMPLY SAYING, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO UPSET WHERE A PROPERTY, LET'S SAY IT'S TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES REMOVED FROM MUNICIPAL, WE GIVE THE AGREEMENT, GIVES THE MUNICIPALITY THE RIGHT TO TRY TO SEEK FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT TO WORK AT THE CITY OR THE TOWN TO SEEK A PATH TO ANNOTATION, YOU KNOW, THE WORKS OF THIS.
SO THAT WITH FURTHER COMMUNICATION IN THE CITY, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY DON'T WANT, THAT THEY CAN'T EXTEND THEIR SERVICES OUT RIGHT NOW.
THEN, THEN ESSENTIALLY DEFER BACK TO US.
WOULD THAT TAKE A, UH, A STAFF LEVEL AGREEMENT OR WOULD THAT HAVE COME BEFORE OUR BOTH OUR ACCOUNT HELP YOU WITH THE COUNTY? I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CUT SOMETHING OFFICIAL TO YEAH.
THE COUNTY IS SAY, OKAY, THE CITY HAS SAID WE'RE NOT INTERESTED AND WE SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT OR, OR WORK OBJECTION.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST STAFF DIRECTION THAT WE GET THE APPLICANT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE, WE THOUGHT COMING TO THIS BOARD WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IS TO KIND OF GET THE NORTHERN REGIONAL IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS BEFORE THEY GO AND BRIDGE COUNCILS.
AND, BUT IT ALSO, I THINK AS MR TO WAS STATING SHOWS THAT THIS PLAN PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
WE'VE BEEN GOING ON THIS PLAN FOR 15 YEARS.
THERE'S CHANGES, I THINK THE WHOLE PLAN THOUGHT OF BEFORE WE MAKE A MAJOR CHANGE THAT YEAH.
I, I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, ROB.
'CAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE INTER GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT SAYS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I SAID WE, I I, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO REVISIT WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR, UH, COMP PLAN.
UM, AND, UH, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE, UH, MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT MAY INCLUDE HAVING PRESENTATION FROM YOU TO THE CITY ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOUR PLAN, WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE.
UH, BUT, UH, UH, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS BODY IS HERE FOR THIS PURPOSE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS BODY WAS, UH, PUT TOGETHER FOR, AS ROB HAS, UH, POINTED OUT.
UM, THE INTERGOVERNMENT THE GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT, UH, SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT.
SO, UM, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK, I THINK RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S PROBABLY IN THE HANDS, UH, OR THE MAJOR
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RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE CITY TO, UH, DO A REVIEW AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS.AND THEN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, CITY AND THE COUNTY NEED TO GET TOGETHER.
AND THAT COULD BE AS PART OF THIS BODY OR SEPARATE MEETINGS, UH, WHATEVER THEY, UH, DECIDE THEY, THAT THEY THINK IS BEST FORMAT.
WHEN IS THE FIVE YEAR FOR THE COMP PLAN UPDATE NEXT YEAR? WELL, NEXT YEAR WILL BE A FIVE YEAR.
THE TOTAL REWRITE WILL BE RIGHT.
AND, AND, UH, THE COMP PLAN WAS THE CITY WAS ACTUALLY UNDER THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, UH, THE LAST COMP PLAN THAT WAS DONE FOR THE CITY WAS IN CONCERT BETWEEN THE CITY, THE TOWN, AND THE COUNTY.
WHY DIDN'T THEY INCLUDE THE PROPERTY WITHIN THEIR GROWTH BOUNDARY? I'M NOT GOOD ON GETTING INTO THOSE, UH, DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK, UH, UH, THAT IN MY MIND, THAT'S MOOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE AT THE POINT OF THE FIVE YEAR WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE RELOOKED AT ANYHOW, I, I STATE LAW AND SOME DECISIONS TO SHOULD BE MADE.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU SAID YOU WILLING TO STRETCH SERVICES NORTH.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE, BE MADE, UH, BY THE CITY.
AND, UH, UH, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE AGENDA THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AS GROWTH BOUNDARIES HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY ON TELEPHONE LINE? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE GETTING TOGETHER AGAIN.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT THAT'S GREAT.
UH, I THINK IF WE WANT TO GO AROUND THE TABLE AND ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING FORWARD, UH, TODAY, UM, TO TALK ABOUT, WE DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN GO TO ADDING,
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UM, POTENTIAL TOPICS OR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS NEXT.SO WE WANNA GO AROUND THE TABLE.
ANYBODY DO HAVE THE SAME THING ANYMORE? BREAK UP? WELL, I CAN JUMP IN THERE.
UM, I, I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN GETTING THE SAME EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS ABOUT STORM WATER ISSUES WITH ALL THIS HEAVY RAIN THAT WE'RE HAVING.
UM, THERE MAY BE A REALLY GOOD PROJECT COMING TO THE LAKE ISLAND AREA.
IT'S STILL VERY, VERY EARLY ON, BUT I THINK GETTING AN UPDATE WITH SOME OF THE STORMWATER PROJECTS AND, AND A PRIORITY LIST FOR THE AREA AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE PIECEMEALED ALL THESE STUDIES TOGETHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WATER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BOUNDARY LINES.
I THINK ADDRESSING THAT STORMWATER ISSUES, UH, AS A REGION, IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA FROM OUR WATER FORM OR SOMEBODY TO COME.
GOOD BRIEF ON, UM, I'M GONNA TAG ONTO THAT, UM, BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THE CITY AND, AND THE TOWN, AND Y'ALL MAY ALREADY KNOW IT, BUT, UM, THE AUTHOR, WARREN OLD PARK THAT GOT FLOODED AND ALMOST DESTROYED DURING MATTHEW AT AND BOSTON AT CHAMELEON AZA, UM, THE COUNTY HAS STARTED WORKING ON THAT.
THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA GET A-U-S-D-A GRANT TO MAKE IT KIND OF LIKE CYRUS WETLANDS CONCEPT, BUT THEY'LL WORK ON THAT.
SO THEY'RE GOING AHEAD AND DOING WHAT THEY CAN.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE IT GATED OFF AND, BUT THEY'RE DOING THE WORK TO CLEAN THAT OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY, UM, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALK TO WALK TO CYPRESS WETLANDS AND THEN COME OVER TO ARTHUR HORN.
IT, THE DESIGN IS MORE OF A DUCK DUCK POND.
UM, SCOTT, YES, UH, WE DID GET SOME FUNDING, UH, FOR THE, UM, PIGEON POINT STORMWATER AND THAT WE DID SOME FUNDING BACK.
WE WERE INFORMED THAT IT WAS LOST, AND THEN WE, THAT WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PRODUCT ABOUT WHAT FOUR STONEWATER PRODUCT WORKS.
SO I, I STILL THINK A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN EVERYBODY CAN, MAYBE WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT IT IN A MEETING, JUST GO, YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CRITICAL AT ROYAL.
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YEAH.AND ANOTHER THING, UM, ALLISON AND I ATTENDED A GROWTH SEMINAR, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UM,
WE CAN GET THOSE SLIDES OUT TO BE DISTRIBUTED.
IT WAS THE REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION.
SOME OF IT, SOME OF IT WAS KIND OF DEPRESSING, BUT YEAH.
BUT SOME OF IT WAS GOOD, WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE, THINGS LIKE THAT IN JUST BUFORT COUNTY.
AND THEY BROKE IT OUT TOO BY, IN MUNICIPALITY, AND THEY TARGETED CERTAIN PEOPLE AND THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT AS, I GUESS FRAUD.
I GUESS I SEND THAT TO WENDY TO DISTRIBUTE OR, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SHE'S IN ALASKA, BUT SHE'S IN ALASKA.
I DON'T THINK I'LL, SO, SO THAT WAS A COUNTYWIDE A LOT OF WHAT TO EXPECT, BUT MAYBE WHEN YOU SEE THE NUMBERS, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, UH, I, I'LL WORK WITH LIBERTY TO SEE IF WE MAYBE CAN GET THE SAME PRESENTERS.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET HIM, BUT WASHINGTON, HE'S HARD TO GET, BUT HE DID TO HE, BUT SHE HAS THE REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION HAS ALL THIS INFORMATION, ALL THE BACKUP.
DID YOU OR JASPER ATTEND THAT MEETING ALSO? WERE THEY A PART OF THAT? I THINK THEY PROBABLY WERE INVITED.
THEY WERE INVITED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A REP FROM THERE.
I DIDN'T SEE CHARLIE OR I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME KIND RESPONSE THROUGH THEM.
THE QUESTION WERE ASKED, THE DEMOGRAPHICS, A MALE, FEMALE, VERY DETAILED RACE, EVERYTHING.
YEAH, I DO NOT DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE.
IT WAS EYEOPENING ON BIGGEST ISSUES.
AND, AND ESPECI, WHEN WE HAVE A REFEREE COME JUST LITTLE, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING AND, AND TO YOUR COMMENT, I KNOW THAT DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS AT LEAST ONCE, AND WHICH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LADY ISLAND.
OH NO, THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORMWATER PROJECT.
NO, NO, I, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT, THE PAPER.
I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING UP.
IT'S, IT WAS PRETTY MASSIVE POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NON-EXISTENT THEN I, I THINK WE JUST, UH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, I, I HEARD MENTIONED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, DURING THE PRESENTATION OF THE SUPER FARMS, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE, THERE'S A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR, UH, TUESDAY NEXT WEEK AT THE, UM, WILL RANCH HIGH SCHOOL OR AT 6:00 PM UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THAT MEETING IS BEING SPONSORED AND HELD BY THE SEABROOK SNOW POINT COMMUNITY PRESERVATION GROUP AND NOT, NOT THE COUNTY COUNCIL, NOT, NOT MYSELF SPONSORING THE MEETING.
SO IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND I ENCOURAGE, UH, ALL OF YOU TO ATTEND IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE.
WHEN IS IT AGAIN? 6:00 PM 6:00 PM AT THE WILL BRANCH EARLY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WHAT'S THE DATE? WHAT DATE? TUESDAY.
UM, MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN GET A, UH, SOMETHING SENT OUT TO CITY AND COUNTY COUNCILS TO, UH, ALERT THEM OF THAT.
OTHER ISSUES? UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ON, ON AN AGENDA, AND IT MAY NEED TO JUST BE THE, UH, UH, THE CITY.
BUT THE TWO THINGS THAT, UH, GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN, UH, ARE, UH, NUMBER ONE IS OUR ROAD CAPACITY, A ROAD CAPACITY STUDY.
UM, I THINK WE'RE CHARGING DOWN A, UH, A POINT OF NO RETURN.
UH, AND, AND I THINK SOMEHOW, UH, WE NEED TO
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HAVE A STUDY ABOUT ROAD CAPACITIES.NOT, UH, NOT TIAS, UH, FOR PROJECTS AND THINGS GOING ON, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A ROAD CAPACITY STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN NECESSARILY DO ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK WE, WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, A BETTER AWARENESS OF WHAT OUR ROAD CAPACITIES ARE, UH, NORTH OF BROAD, UH, AND THAT, AND I THINK THAT IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD, UH, GET A STUDY DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE.
BUT I, I, I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON OUR, UH, LIST OF, UH, UH, FU FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, THE OTHER THING, UH, I'VE DONE THIS, UH, IN ATLANTA WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARDS THERE, BUT WE DID A, A STUDY AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR JUST THE CITY, THE TOWN, UH, THE COUNTY FOR ALL THREE IS A COMBINED STUDY, BUT A STUDY OF, UH, RENT TO OWN, UH, PROPERTIES AND THE, THE, UM, UH, THE STABILITY OF OUR AREA, UM, AND WHAT, WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS.
UM, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT WE DID THAT IN ATLANTA.
UM, AND WE, IT HELPED US TO ESTABLISH SOME GUIDELINES.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING TO, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A BALANCE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND RENT.
NOT NECESSARILY SINGLE FAMILY, BUT JUST OWNED VERSUS RENT.
AND SO THAT, THAT ENCOMPASSES A LARGER AREA THAT'S HOTELS AND RENTALS, UH, AND EVERYTHING VERSUS OWNED, UH, OWNED PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT VARIES TREMENDOUSLY BETWEEN, UH, DESTINATION, UH, HOLIDAY KINDS OF ACTIVITY AREAS VERSUS, UH, TOWNS THAT ARE, UH, TRYING TO ESTABLISH A, A GUIDELINE THAT IS, UH, UM, MORE EQUITABLE IF YOU WILL, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? ANY, HOW, HOW WAS THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT
I THINK, UM, UH, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SEE THE MINUTES FROM THAT, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE, UH, WITH Y'ALL.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK, UM, WE HAD A, A LOT OF VERY GOOD INPUT, I THINK GIVEN US A LOT, VERY GOOD INFORMATION TO USE AS GUIDELINES WHEN THINKING ABOUT THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL.
WAS IT ON FACEBOOK? WAS IT VIDEO OF THE CITY? IT WAS, IT WAS ON, IT WAS VIDEO, YES.
SO YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
UM, AND I HOPE IT'S OUT THERE, BUT I IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, YES.
UM, WASN'T A REAL LONG MEETING, BUT, UH, IT, IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.
I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE, LITTLE PROBLEM GETTING IT ADVERTISED OUT THERE SO WE COULD GET A, A BROADER RANGE.
UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF A DU PEOPLE THERE, UH, AND A FEW, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND WE HAD CONVERSATION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, SITUATION AND, AND ALSO BOTH SIDES OF THE A D SO I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS A GOOD BALANCE WE'RE ADDRESSING.
IF YOU HAVE MORE DISCUSSION, SOME CHANGES.
COUNCIL WERE TO SAY THE REGARD SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHEN YOU DO THAT ISSUE, TIMES ARE SUCCESS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, ON THE BOARD? STAYING ON? HOW ABOUT, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM THE PUBLIC? ANY COMMENTS? SEEING DONE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURN.
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THANKS FOR WATCHING BC TV.I AM DENNIS ADAMS, AND THIS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
NO BUFORD TONYAN, YOUNGER THAN 60 IS LIKELY TO REMEMBER THE GOLD EAGLE TAVERN.
AND YET, FOR OVER 30 YEARS, THE TAVERN WAS A PLACE FOR LOCALS TO BRUNCH AFTER CHURCH FROM A MENU OF LOW COUNTRY AND CONTINENTAL DISHES.
FROM TIME TO TIME IN THE YEARS BETWEEN 1930 AND 1961, THEY COULD STEAL A GLANCE AT CLARK GABLE AND OTHER CELEBRITIES WHO HAD CHECKED IN TO ENJOY THE WORLD FAMOUS VIEW OF THE RIVER AND THE MARSHES FROM THE TERRACE.
THE TAVERNS TABBY FOUNDATIONS ON BUFORD'S OLD POINT DATED BACK TO THE 17 HUNDREDS AND COULD BE SEEN EVEN TODAY.
BUT DEVELOPER AND PHILANTHROPIST, KATE GLEASON ADDED THE FAMILIAR ROUND TOWER WHEN SHE OWNED THE PROPERTY IN THE 1920S.
THE GOLD EAGLE NAMED DATES BACK TO THE EARLIEST OWNER, HENRY WILLIAM DE SOUR DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES MINT, WHO AUTHORIZED THE FIRST GOLD EAGLE DOLLARS IN THE 17 HUNDREDS.
THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE EARLY 1960S, BUT THE TAVERN DID ITS PART TO ESTABLISH BUFORD'S REPUTATION AMONG TRAVELERS, THE WORLD OVER.
I'M DENNIS ADAMS, AND THIS HAS BEEN YOUR BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENT.
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