Aug 06, 2025 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

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. THIS IS A CALL TO ORDER FOR THE AUGUST HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS PROJECT PM. HISTORIC PRESERVATION

[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]

THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 P.M. MAYBE CONTINUE THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS TO LOOK FOR AN ADOPTION OF MINUTES OF LOCAL LET'S ZERO HARRIMAN EVAN GOODWIN, VICE CHAIRMAN OF MR. CURLY FRAZIER MR. JIM HESTER AND COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER.

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

ALL IN FAVOR. I PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE REMOVED AND NO OLD BUSINESS

[VII.1. 4 Head of the Tide: A request by Andrew Brown, Applicant, on behalf of Henry Savage, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to enclose an existing covered porch of approximately 126 square feet to expand a kitchen and provide a new laundry room and mudroom at 4 Head of the Tide in OId Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-05-25-019747) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS FOR AHEAD OF TIME AND THE APPLICANT ANDREW ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER HENRY SAVAGE IS REQUESTING OF A COFA HISTORIC DISTRICT TO AND A COVERED PORCH APPROXIMATELY 126 SQUARE FEET IN ORDER TO EXPAND A KITCHEN AND PROVIDE A LAUNDRY ROOM IN MUDROOM PROPERTY IS AT FOUR HEADED TIDE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP HERE. THE MAIN HOUSE IS LOCATED HERE AND THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE EXPANSION IS WHERE THE STAR IS HERE IS SITE PLAN.

THE AREA IN YELLOW IS ACTUALLY A COVERED PORCH THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AND HERE YOU SEE VARIOUS VIEWS OF THE HOUSE THIS PORCH RIGHT HERE IS THE SPACE THAT WILL BE ENCLOSED AND A COUPLE OF VIEWS YOU SEE HERE FROM BOTH THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THE EAST ELEVATION THE ENCLOSURE MATERIALS WILL MATCH HOUSE AND THERE IS A FULL LIGHT DOOR THAT'S PROPOSED AND THERE ARE OTHER FULL LIGHTS AS YOU SEE ON THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD MATCH THAT MATERIALS MATCH AS WELL WINDOWS GIVEN THERE FOR REVIEW CRITERIA IT DOES APPEAR TO MEET AND CONFORM WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDL STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS AS IN CONSIDERABLY GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COFA HD IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND I CAN TELL YOU ALL IN FAVOR I THINK MOTION AS APPROVED NEXT UP THIS IS EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ALREADY THE NEXT ITEM ON THE

[VII.2. 43 Thomas Heyward Street: A request by George Hutson (GTH Construction), Applicant, on behalf of Megan C. Beach, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to add a shed dormer and convert a portion of the attic space of an existing 2-story residence into a “loft room” and bathroom of approximately 240 SF at 43 Thomas Heyward Street in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD). (COFA-05-25- 019747) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

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THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT EITHER AGAINST AN APPROVAL DELEGATION WITHOUT PERMISSION AND TO A SECOND DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR I APPROVED. THANK YOU.

[VII.3. 36 Bruin Road: A request by James Atkins (Court Atkins Group), Applicant, on behalf of ABPAL, LLC, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a 2-story commercial building of approximately 3,130 SF at 36 Bruin Road in OId Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-05-25-019766) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

IT DOES INCLUDE STOREFRONT WINDOWS THE AREA THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED HERE IN YELLOW IN THE WINDOW IT ARE FIXED WINDOWS . THOSE FIXED WINDOWS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY HPC. YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THEY ARE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE FIXED WINDOWS ARE NOT PERMITTED BY THE UEO.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REQUESTED COMPOSITE SHUTTERS ON BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS HERE IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION THE ELEVATION THAT FACES INTO THE EXISTING PARKING LOT. YOU CAN SEE BAHAMAS LET ME GO BACK HERE TO THE FIRST L TO THE FRONT. THE ENTRY HERE THAT YOU SEE WOULD BE AGAIN APPEARING AS A SIDE YARD HOUSE BUT THERE'S ALSO A SECONDARY ENTRANCE ALONG THE PARKING AREA, THE PORCH AND THE BACK INCLUDE H FAC UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND STAFF REQUESTING A DETERMINATION OF APPROPRIATENESS IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. WE DID CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THEY SAID THE FAC UNITS AT THAT LOCATION ARE ACCEPTABLE AND THEY WOULD BE SCREENED. YOU SEE RAILINGS THERE BUT THE UNITS WOULD ALSO BE SCREENED WITH WITH LOUVERS THE BRICK WOULD REQUIRE AS WELL WOULD REQUIRE A DETERMINATION AS I INTERPRET YOUDO AND THEN THE COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE WOOD WRAPPED IN FIBERBOARD OR CEMENTITIOUS BOARD. SO THAT IS ANOTHER INCONSISTENCY THE VIDEO AND

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THESE ARE FAIRLY DEEP BRACKETS AND I'LL SHOW YOU ANOTHER VIEW HERE WE CAN SEE THE BRACKET AND AGAIN THERE THERE'S A TWO STORY PATIO THE REAR AT THE THE GROUND LEVEL THE SCHOOL APPEARS TO BE SCREENED AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE INFORMATION THAT THE SERVICE YARD LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE UNDER OUTSIDE OF THE ROOF AND THEN HERE ARE VARIOUS SECTIONS IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT AS WELL AS DETAILS I WANT TO GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS YOU SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT OR EXCUSE ME THE LEFT ELEVATION THERE A STAIRWELL THAT COMES DOWN AND THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INCONSISTENT SI WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THE STAIRWELL AND ACTUALLY MAYBE I MAY BE INCORRECT HERE THE STAIRWELL MAY BE RIGHT HERE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING BLOCKING THAT SIDEWALK. THE UTO ALSO REQUIRES THAT LANDSCAPING BE EIGHT FEET FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING AND THIS IS SHOWING ALONG THE PROPERTY OUT TOWARDS BRUIN ROAD AND SO WOULD NEED TO BE ADJUSTED ADA ACCESSIBLE.

THERE WILL BE A PARKING SPACE ON BRUIN ROAD SO THAT ACCESSIBILITY WOULD COME FROM BRUIN ROAD AND. WE NEED TO SEE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS REGARDING THAT AT ENTRANCE. SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA DOES SEEM TO BE MET.

THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS IF CONDITIONS ARE MET WOULD SEEM TO COMPLY WITH THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND SO STAFF IS REQUESTING SOME DETERMINATIONS REGARDING THE APPLICANT'S PLAN THE LOCATION OF THE FAC EQUIPMENT ON THE SECOND STOREY REAR PATIO IT AGAIN IT IS PERMITTED BUILDING CODE IT'S A BIT OF A DIFFERENT LOCATION FROM OTHER THAT WE'VE SEEN TYPICALLY IT'S AT GROUND LEVEL AND YOU WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE BRICK THAT'S PROPOSED THE APPLICANT INDICATED IT WILL BE EIGHT MOHS LEAVE IT SMALL TOWN WHICH IS SORT OF A BROWN IS LOOKING BRICK WHICH IS TYPICAL OF THE AREA THE WRAPPING OF THE WOOD COLUMNS WITH THE CEMENTITIOUS TRIM THE CHANGE ALLOWANCE OF STOREFRONT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THEN THE WOOD COMPOSITE SHUTTERS THERE SOME CONDITIONS AS WELL THAT YOU SEE HERE SCREENING OF THE GROUND PATIO WE NEED SCREENING DETAIL FOR THE FAC EQUIPMENT IDENTIFY THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW MATERIAL THE WINDOWS SCHEDULE FOR THIS IS WHERE THERE IS AN INTERPRETATION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FROM YOU REGARDING OR NOT THOSE WINDOWS AS THEY'VE BEEN SHOWN ON THE FLOOR ELEVATION ON THE LEFT ELEVATION APPROPRIATE AND THEN SOME IDENTIFICATION OF MATURE MATERIAL FOR THE PATIO DOOR WELL AS SUBMISSION OF THE MANUFACTURER'S CUT SHEETS FOR THE LIGHTS THAT ARE PROPOSED AND REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING THAT I MENTIONED EIGHT FEET FOUNDATION PLANTINGS REQUIRED MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE NO LANDSCAPING BLOCKING THAT STAIRWAY ON THE LEFT ELEVATION SHOWING THE ADA ACCESSIBILITY AND THEN PROVIDING A SITE FEATURE FOR ANY SIGNAGE IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF CONDITIONS BUT IT'S PRETTY MINOR.

YOUR ACTIONS TONIGHT ARE EITHER TO AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND WITH I'M SORRY WITH THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS WELL AS ASKING FOR YOU TO MAKE THE DETERMINATIONS FOR 135 BUT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY AND I CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE OR ANY OTHER SLIDES IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST JUST IF SHE CAN PUT THOSE CONDITIONS BACK ON SCREEN OR ARE THE WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE DETERMINATIONS FIRST. OKAY. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. SURE WE CAN DO THE FIRST ONE. YEAH, YEAH.

YES. GOOD EVENING. JAMES ADKINS COURT ATKINS CHRIS

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I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU JUST WANT TO RUN THROUGH THEM ALL THE I AGAIN EVERY APPLICATION IS INDIVIDUAL JUST FOR LONGEVITY OF THE COLUMN THERE WOULD STRUCTURAL COLUMNS WE JUST LIKE TO WRAP THEM IN A CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL FOR LONGEVITY AND BETTER PAINT THE SHUTTERS. A MAJORITY OF THE HINGE SHUTTERS ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. WE DO HAVE THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM JUST BECAUSE IT IS SOMEWHAT AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC WAY AND WE WOULD REALLY TO HAVE THE BAHAMA SHUTTERS AS THE COMPOSITE JUST FROM A MAINTENANCE AND DURABILITY STAND WHERE WE WOULD USE A WOOD COMPOSITE MATERIAL WOULD BE THICK AND NOT GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR THERE SO JUST ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WILL MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT WE NEED WE DID IDENTIFY THE WINDOWS AS MARVIN ELEVATE IN OUR RESPONSE LETTER BUT WE DIDN'T PUT THE NAME ON THE ACTUAL SCHEDULE SO WE'LL CLEAN THAT UP NO PROBLEM LIGHTING CUT SHEETS NO PROBLEM THE ADA ACCESSIBLE ROUTE I'M NOT SURE WHAT DETAILS WE'RE LOOKING FOR BUT THAT WAS ALL PROVIDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND IDENTIFIED IN THE CIVIL DRAWINGS.

SO IF THEY NEED AN COPY OF THAT WE CAN GET IT TO YOU BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT ON RECORD AND SIGNAGE AT THE BRICK I THINK IS PROBABLY BRICK COLUMNS OR LOUD BRICK WALLS SERVICES IN THE YOUDO IT SAYS THEY'RE ENCOURAGED WHERE POSSIBLE AS LONG AS YOU'RE USING LOCAL BRICK OF ANY BRICK MANUFACTURERS IN BLUFFTON BUT WE DID SPECIFY CHEROKEE WHICH IS ONE THAT WE'VE USED WHICH IS ON STATION 30 WHICH THE TOWN IS USUALLY SPECIFIED ON MANY OTHERS IT TUMBLED FOR THE NEXT DOOR IS A PAINTED BRICK WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE JUST A NICE APPLICATION AS A TRANSITION ON THE LOWER SECTION AND BRICKS COLUMNS ARE ALLOWED TO REALLY BE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE OF WALL SURFACE FROM THE SO WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS THAT BEING AN ACCEPTABLE AND LISTED IN THIS LIMITED LOCATION AND KNOWING THAT WOULD BE A NICE LOOKING BRICK TO THE MAIN PUBLIC WAY AND SERVICE YARDS TALKING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING SO THEY'RE LOOKING DOWN ON THEM OR RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR POOL.

WE CREATIVELY PUT THEM UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH ACTUALLY GETS THEM OUT OF THE PUBLIC WAY EVEN MORE AND THE TAVI ROAD SIDEWALK AND WITH THE VIEWING ANGLES AND AND THEN BEING 12 FEET IN THE AIR WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A NICE WAY TO NOT PUT ANY TREES UNITS RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK AND EVERYTHING THERE. SO IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL TO PUT THEM UP THERE AND HIDE THEM EVEN MORE FROM THE PUBLIC REALM AND I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF THEM.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ADDRESS ANY OTHER CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ? THE BRICK IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIAL THAN BRICK OR IS IT WAS IT MADE AS A SOLID OAK SAMPLE THAT'S THE SAMPLES THEN THOSE ARE SOLID FULL BRICKS. YEAH.

NO NO THIS IS A IT'S A REAL COURSE QUINTO'S BRICK AGAIN STATION 30 IS ALL BRICK AND IT'S MUCH THAT'S TUMBLED SAVANNAH GRADE LIKE LOOKING FOR SO AGAIN I DON'T KNOW WHAT DEFINES LOCAL BUT CHEROKEES IN MACON 190 MILES AWAY IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST BRICK MANUFACTURER TO THIS AREA. SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS A GOOD CHOICE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT WHAT I QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE WHAT'S THE SHUTTER MANUFACTURER ? ASK ME A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURER BUT ONCE WE PRICE IT OUT WE CAN PUT GIRLS DOWN.

THEY CAN BE IN A LOT OF THINGS THEY COULD BE THERE'S SOME CHEAP 100% I PROMISE YOU BEING REPRESENTATIVE OF FIRM AND BEING ON OUR PROPERTY IT WON'T BE A CHEAP SHUTTER BUT I GET YOU THAT DETAIL. ABSOLUTELY. AND I GOT ONE MORE THING THAT THE I THINK THIS IS GREAT OVERALL JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE THE BRACKETS OVER THE STAIRS WAS THERE A REASON TO USE THE DIFFERENT BRACKET THAN EVERYWHERE ELSE TO BRACKETS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING THAT'S A BIGGER OVERHANG AND JUST KEEP HEAD CLEARANCE AND PERCEPTION OF AND THE KNOCK ON YOUR HEAD WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STAIRS

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THEY'RE BRIGHT SIDES AND IT'LL BE WOODED ON THAT SIDE. BUT YEAH YOU GOT THAT AND JUST LOOK AT THIS THING YOU GOT THAT BEING THAT GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THEN KIND OF DIES IN THE END AND THEN IT TURNS THE SIDING IT DID IT WAS A DESIGN CONSIDERATION IF YOU IF YOU WANT THEM TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSER TO EACH OTHER NO WORRIES THERE JUST LET ME THINK ABOUT THE FRONT. THIS IS A SLAB ON GRADE PROJECT SO THERE REALLY ISN'T AN EXPOSED FOUNDATION BUT WE WANTED TO CREATE A LITTLE GARDEN AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHICH IS WHY THE THE FOUNDATION BUFFER WAS PUSHED OUT TO THE STREET TO PROVIDE THE EDGE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO FIND ALL OF THE PERENNIALS AND FLORALS IN THERE BUT. THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THAT AREA SO IT'LL ALL BE LANDSCAPED FROM TO THE SIDEWALK BUT WHY THERE'S A ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN A GAP THERE IT'S MEANT TO BE KIND A SMALL GARDEN AREA ON THE FOREGROUND AS YOU ENTER INTO THE PROPERTY.

OKAY. BUT IT'S I THAT MADE ME THINK OF A QUESTION PLANTED ARE IN BEDS BECAUSE I REALLY DO THINK THE PLANTING SHOULD BE WITHIN OUR SET BACK SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM SO QUESTION ON THAT ONE I THINK PLANTED GARDEN IN THE WINDOWS THAT ARE SO DID THE LARGER WINDOWS I COULDN'T FIND ON A SITE PLAN WHAT THAT LOOKED INTO IS THERE A REASON YOU DID A SIXTH PANE RATHER THAN A LITTLE MORE AND THEN THE TRADITIONAL INTO A CORE FIND ON THE BOTTOM BOTTOM THAT WHERE THE IN THE LEFT SIDE THE YELLOW AND THE BLUE FROM THE IT'S ON THE INSIDE. I COULDN'T FIND WHY THOSE BIG WINDOWS WERE THERE.

WAS IT JUST FROM A BAY AREA AND SO THE SPACING OF THAT TO FILL IN THE ENTIRE SECTION OF THAT SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A WE'RE OUT OF ROOM OTHERWISE WE PROBABLY WERE GOING TO INTO CARRIED IT SO IT'S A THE THE PAINT SPACING IS ALL THE SAME MARGIN AROUND WE JUST ENDED UP BEING THREE WIDE INSTEAD OF TWO WIDE AND IT MEANT TO BE KIND OF A GLASS CORNER BAY OKAY.

AND I THOUGHT THAT I JUST COULDN'T FIND IT AND I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL LINGO SO I APOLOGIZE AND WE COULDN'T GET A CASE LIKE OPERATIONAL CASE THAT LARGE IS BUT IT WOULD BE BUILT LIKE THE CASE WINDOW SO IT WOULD NOT BE A DIRECT SET OR ANYTHING LIKE YOU HAVE THE SAME STYLE AND RAIL AND EVERYTHING AS THE WINDOWS AROUND THE CORNER.

I JUST WORRIED FOR COMMERCIAL LIGHT FOR FIRE STANDARDS ALL THAT SO IT'S PART OF A BIGGER ROOM THEY THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS SOME WINDOW THAT THE SPHERE LOOK LIKE THIS AND JUST THESE WINDOWS RIGHT HERE THOSE FOR TRUCK BUT JUST LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER KALEKA FRAZIER THE MEETING AT 622 OH THANK YOU THANKS SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOUR COME IN THESE FOUR WINDOWS RIGHT HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE AS THEY TURN IS GOING ALL WINDOWS OKAY PERFECT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AND THERE'S BRICK YOU KNOW AND I WANT TO SPEAK KIND OF PART OF YOUR NARRATIVE AND YOUR RESPONSE FROM THE HEIGHT AND ALL ON THAT ROAD.

BUT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE TOWN LIMITS HERE IS BRIDGE AND MYRTLE'S POST OFFICE WHATEVER THAT BUILDING WAS IS BRICK I THE IDEA OF IT. SO WHEN WE COME TO THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING HPC UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR THE LESS THINGS YOU SEE LIKE THAT ON THE GROUND I THINK IT'S SMART IF IT CAN BE SCREENED.

THANK YOU FOR IT A LITTLE BIT. I DO THINK IT'S TALL. I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT BREWING DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT'S AN ARCHITECT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HANDLE THE NORTHERN AT ONE POINT. THIS IS MOSTLY A ONE AND A HALF STORY TAKE AWAY TAB BECAUSE THAT'S A D SO PLEASE PLEASE THINK THROUGH THAT IF ONE OF Y'ALL EVER GET SOMETHING THE NORTHERN SIDE BECAUSE IT IS A ONE WE ARE A ONE STORY TOWN WE JUST DO A LOT OF ADDITIONAL BUILDING RIGHT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE ARE BUILDING TWO STOREY PLACES BUT RIGHT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T THINK I HAD THE TRIM. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE REASONABLE AND WHAT'S LASTING SO I'M INTERESTED IN THAT CEMENTITIOUS CEMENTITIOUS TRIM IT MIGHT SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER BECAUSE IF IT YOU KNOW WE'RE IN A FAULTY AREA WE'RE IN

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SURE. LET'S TALK THROUGH THE CONDITIONS THEN.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH OF THE CONDITIONS, SIR? DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

YEAH, WE OH IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PAGE I MEAN I THINK THEY SHOULD REMAIN OKAY AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE EFFORT FOUNDATION PLANTING REQUIREMENT WE CONSIDER GARDENS BEDS.

HOW DOES THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS EIGHT FEET FOUNDATION PLANTINGS AT THE FRONT OF THE WELL AROUND THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS COMMERCIAL. LET ME GO TO THAT SLIDE.

SO WHAT IS SHOWN ARE IT'S COMBINATION OF CAMELLIAS AND PADDOCK HARPISTS AND AT MATURITY THESE ARE GOING TO BE ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 10 FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO IT'S REALLY CREATING MORE A PRIVATE SPACE IN THE FRONT YARD WHICH IS A TYPICAL OF OTHER BLUFFTON COMMERCIAL USES SO THAT THAT MAY BE A DETERMINATION WE HAVE INDICATED THAT IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO COMPLY WITH THE YOUDO BUT IF YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY THAT SHOULD BE A DETERMINATION AND ARE THERE ANY STRONG FEELINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I THINK THAT COULD BE A FUN IDEA. IT LIKE YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT ANNUALS AND PERENNIALS IN THAT AREA THAT YOU MIGHT STILL WANT SOME GRASSES OR JUST TO SOFTEN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RAISED IN THE FRONT ALONG THOSE WINDOWS BUT THERE I THINK YOU WANT SOMETHING THERE AT THAT CROOK BETWEEN THE FACE OF THE AND THE GROUND TO SORT OF SOFTEN THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT JUST OH FLOWERS SO A LITTLE WHINE OF GRASSES OR IVY OR SOMETHING PERHAPS YOU COULD USE SOME OF THAT LIKE ARE YOU I MEAN I THINK IT'S COOL AND VERY YOU KNOW RESILIENT TIGHT ARE YOU JUST TO HAVE ENCOURAGEMENT TO YEAH I MEAN TECHNICALLY SPEAKING WE'VE YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT A 20 FEET OF FOUNDATION BUFFER BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PATIO OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS OUT. WE JUST HAVEN'T DEVELOPED. YEAH.

WE WANTED TO KIND OF DEFINE AN EDGE ALONG THE THE SIDEWALK THERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE MADE ON WAS THE TOO BROAD WE ADDED A HEDGE THE CARPETS ALONG THE PARKING LOT EDGE THERE AGAIN JUST TO KIND OF GIVE SOME FOREGROUND BUT IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY WE CAN ADD WE COULD ADD A YOU KNOW A BOXWOOD HEDGE OR SOMETHING ALONG THE THE ACTUAL BUILDING EDGE AND CREATE AN IN-BETWEEN REMOVE ONE LAYER FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.

WE THINK THIS IS NOT A MATTER DOWN SORT. I'M ON THE LAST I'VE GOT A DIAGRAM HERE WHICH IS KIND OF IN CREATIVE IDEAS THAT WAS JUST THE THOUGHT IS TO KIND OF CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PASSIVE GARDEN IN THE FOREGROUND AND DEFINE AN EDGE ALONG THE SIDEWALK BUT WE'LL ALL BE LANDSCAPED AREA WHY WOULDN'T YOU THINK ABOUT REVERSING THAT AND DOING THAT? BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOING TO GROW TO FIVE, SEVEN FEET AND THREE YEARS BY WHEN YOU PUT THE PLANT THROUGH THE LOWER PLANTINGS AND FRONT AND THEN MOVE THOSE BACK WITHIN THAT EIGHT FOOT THAT'S TO TRY TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A FRONT YARD PERSPECTIVE FROM THE LARGE FRONT WINDOWS SO IT'S NOT RIGHT UP THERE. SO WHEN LOOKING AT THE WINDOW YOU HAVE KIND OF A NICE FRONT YARD TO LOOK AT. IT WAS WE THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT IDEA LOOKING AT THIS BEAUTIFUL STORE FRONT WINDOWS AND HAVE A NICE GARDEN OUT THERE AND KIND OF DEFINE THE EDGE ALONG THE SIDEWALK WITH A COUPLE OF THE SMALLER HEDGES UP

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WE WERE 30, 24, 30 INCHES OUT OF THE GROUND I THINK DIFFERENTLY AND GIVE US A HEDGE BUT SINCE WE'RE BASICALLY AT GRADE AND WITH THE LARGE WINDOWS OUT THERE NOT UNLIKE WHEN YOU WALK DOWN 46 AND THE LARGE STOREFRONT WINDOWS ARE RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK WE HAVE A SIDEWALK SO WE'LL HAVE A GARDEN LINES IN THERE AND THE GRASS PERENNIALS FLOWERING, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT GET SWAPPED OUT. SO AGAIN IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THE STUFF PUSHED UP AGAINST THE BUILDING, I'M NOT GOING TO ANYBODY FEEL VERY STRONGLY THERE.

WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THIS NICE FRONT YARD AREA OF THESE LARGE WINDOWS AND PUSH TO THE FOUNDATION HEDGE A LITTLE FURTHER OUT. SO WHEN THEY GROW UP THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN FRONT OF THE LARGE STOREFRONT WINDOWS. YEAH.

WHERE IS THE SIDEWALK? IS IT RIGHT ON A ROAD BY THERE ON THE WAY TO LOOK RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT AT THE FRONT LINE IT IS RIGHT ON IT. SO ALL OF THE THERE'S ABOUT 2020 WE HAD A GOOD 20 FEET OFF THE SEWER LINES. THERE'S ALMOST 25 FEET 20 FEET MAYBE OF FOREGROUND. AND THIS IS THE THE EXCESS ROOM SO IT TIES RIGHT IN HERE.

SO WE GOING TO PULL THE OUT CREATE SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T SIT IN FRONT OF THE LARGE STOREFRONT WINDOWS. WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE LOOKING OUT YOU SEE A NICE GARDEN I GUESS IT BEING SO CLOSE TO THAT SIDEWALK AND I KNOW HOW FAST THOSE PLANTS GROW DOWN HERE.

I MEAN YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE GARDENING AND ARCHITECTING AND TRIMMING BUSHES.

I MEAN JOE BRYANT WILL BE DOING THE GARDENING AND THE TRIMMING AND EVERYTHING.

HE DOES A GREAT JOB SECURITY. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GROW INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE COUNCIL WILL GET THE COMPLAINT THAT THEY CAN'T MIGRATE.

SO YOU COULD PULL IT BACK JUST A BIT TO ME IT JUST THAT ROOM TO GROW BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT'S MORE OF A TEN FOOT WIDE SPACE BECAUSE IT'S THE TEN FOOT BUILDING SET BACK ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. SO THEN IT'S LIKE ANOTHER FIVE OR SIX THE FRONT SOMEWHERE IN THERE. YEAH.

SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE BUILDING SO WE CAN WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE HEDGES KNOW OFF THE SIDEWALK AND PROVIDES GROWING ROOM AT MATURITY YOU KNOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD WILL MAKE IT WORK OKAY ANY OTHER ANIMALS SHOULD HAVE SOME COVER THE YOU KNOW BELOW THE CLOUDS ON THE GROUND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU KNOW GOT THE GRASS RIGHT AFTER I'M HEARING THAT YEAH I'M I THINK WE'LL LEAVE LIVING CONDITION IN THERE BUT IF YOU BRING MAYBE ONE LAYER BACK YES SO HAVE THAT YARD FEEL SOMETHING THAT'S GARDEN BECAUSE YOU KNOW YEAH GUYS KNOW WHERE TO PLANT SOMETHING SMALL LIKE I SAID BARK OUT OR SOMETHING OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE INDIGENOUS MATERIAL DON'T SPEAK PLANTS THEY'RE GOOD.

THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH WAS THESE THESE WERE PULLED UP TO PROVIDE COUNTERTOP SPACE BEHIND THEM AND IF YOU FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THEM BUT THE PLANE OF THAT IS THERE'S A GOOD SIX PLUS FEET OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS FACE AND THIS FACE OR YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE FEET, WHATEVER IT IS. SO WE DIDN'T WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN ELEVATION, YOU KNOW. YEAH, I COULD SEE WHY YOU MIGHT RESPOND.

THOSE SHOULD BE LOWER BUT THAT'S WHY THEY WERE PUSHED BACK TO LINE UP WITH THE BASE OF THE BRACKET AND PROVIDE COUNTERTOP SPACE. YEAH, THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

NO I DID PRETTY CLOSE AND OKAY THAT'S A CONDITION WE'LL LIKELY LEAVE OUT ON ON THE BACK HERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? NO.

AND I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION SO I CAN MAKE ONE GO TO THE PAGE THAT HAS THE ONE CONDITION WHERE REMOVING OR WHEN IT'S NUMBER FOUR OH WAS OKAY THINKING FOUR WAS A TRUE LAST ONE. OKAY WELL I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WHEN SHE PULLS IT UP AND SORT OF COFA WHERE WERE YOU PROVING AND MR. CHAIRMAN IF I WAS THE STAFF HAVE A PROPOSED MOTION ON THIS ONE BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS TERMINATION TERMINATIONS.

SO I MAY NEED TO GO BACK THE LET ME GO BACK TO THE DETERMINATIONS.

I MEAN THESE ARE THE ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN DO IT IN TWO DIMENSIONS IF YOU AND LET'S HANDLE THE

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[VII.4. 36 Wharf Street: A request by Jamie Guscio (Kingfisher Construction), Applicant, on behalf of Kathy Barbina and Tim Harris, Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow the construction of a new 2-story Carriage House of 1200 square feet. The property is in Old Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD). (COFA-03- 25-019657) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

THE APPLICANT IS JAMIE GOOSE, CEO OF KINGFISHER CONSTRUCTION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS KATHY VERBENA AND TIM HARRIS. THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AGAIN AT 36 FORE STREET IN OLD TOWN AND IS A NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS AN EXISTING HOUSE PRESENTLY ON THE PROPERTY THE LOCATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU SEE THESE TWO TREES WHICH ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED HERE THE SITE PLAN THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STAIRS ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BUILDING AND THEY ARE PERMITTED TO BE THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AS IS THE SERVICE YARD.

HERE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AT BOTH THE EXISTING AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND WE'VE INDICATED THE HEIGHT HERE WHICH I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS HERE IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND AGAIN I'VE HIGHLIGHTED SOME AREAS IN YELLOW THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE DISCUSSED HERE IS THE LEFT ELEVATION THIS IS FACING INTO THE BACK YARD, THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THE STAIRS. I JUST OF AND THE REAR ELEVATION I'VE GOT THE FLOOR PLANS AVAILABLE IF WE NEED TO SEE AS WELL AS SECTIONS AND LET GO BACK TO THE SLIDE REGARDING THE HEIGHT THE UDOT AS REQUIRE THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BE SECONDARY TO THE MAIN HOUSE AND ALTHOUGH IS BY A MATTER OF INCHES IT STILL SEEMS VERY TALL AND THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF STAFF ADDITIONALLY. THERE IS A PORTION ISSUES RELATED TO THE DRAWINGS THAT

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SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED FINDINGS BY STAFF. WE ARE ASKING FOR A DETERMINATION REGARDING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF CERTAIN BUILDING PROPORTIONS INCLUDING THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE FRENCH FRONT PORCH WIDTH POST WITH THE WIDTH BETWEEN THE PORT BETWEEN THE POST THE EVELYN THE WINDOW PLACEMENT THE DORMERS THE DORM REPLACEMENT AND THE HEIGHT OF THE EXPRESSION LINE REGARDING CONDITIONS. THE FIRST IS REQUEST THE VENT MATERIAL THAT WAS NOT IDENTIFIED PROVIDE THE DOOR WINDOW SCHEDULE ON THE PLAN PROVIDE THE GARAGE ROOF DETAIL SO THAT A MINIMUM OF 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE AT WILL BE PROVIDED GIVEN THAT THE TWO TREES ARE NOW PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND THEN A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION REQUIRED AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THAT.

WITH THAT YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY AND AGAIN STAFF IS I HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED ALL THESE CONDITIONS HERE BUT THIS IS JUST SOME WORDING TO HELP YOU MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN THERE ARE DETERMINATION SIGNS AS WELL AS CONDITIONS BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YES THE JAMIE Q SHOW REPRESENTING TIM AND CATHY AT 36 WALK STREET OF QUESTION AND DO HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT I'LL START SO I WENT BACK AFTER OUR MEETING YESTERDAY AND REREAD THE MASTER PLAN HOTEL PLAN BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT DOCUMENT AND IS TALKS ABOUT WALL STREET AND THE CHARACTER AND PRESERVE BEING THE CANOPY SO I'M REALLY I'M MORE CONCERNED ON THOSE TREES AND I THINK THIS IS THE HEIGHT BUT I THINK IS CARRIED ON WITH BEING JUST ONE GARAGE YOU COULD MOVE IT FURTHER SOUTH IN A WAY TO KEEP THOSE TREES BECAUSE THERE'S TREES FOR THERE TO GIVE THE OWNER APPROVAL FOR HIS HOUSE AND WE'RE TAKING DOWN HIS TREES THAT WERE COUNTED IN HIS HOUSE TREE CANOPY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION OR A DESIRE ON HOW YOU CAN MOVE IT, LOWER IT AND SAVE THOSE TREES. SO THOSE ARE MY THREE QUESTIONS ON THAT REGARDING THE TREES ONE IS THE GUM AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE LAUREL OAK.

SO THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR A REMOVAL OF BOTH TREES SPECIFICALLY THE LAUREL LAUREL OAK. THEY'VE GOT AN ARBORIST THERE TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY WHICH IS NOT IT'S GOT FISSURE CRACKS AND LAUREL OAKS ARE KIND OF LIKE BORDER OAKS YOU'LL KNOW THAT THEY'RE BAD UNTIL IT'S ON YOUR HOUSE SO THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH THAT AND WITH THE LOCATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT BACK AND IT'S A ONE

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OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT THOSE TWO TREES OBVIOUSLY THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OUT BUT LOOKING HAVE AN ARBORIST LOOK AT IT AND LOOKING AT YOU KNOW BY PLANE I IT DOES HAVE FISSURE CRACKS ABOUT I'M GOING TO SAY SIX FEET BUT I'LL GO HIGHER THAN THAT PROBABLY TEN FEET AND HIGHER ON SEVERAL SIDES HOLE IN THE IN THE BOTTOM SO THAT'S OF THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT THREE THAT WE'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO ME THIRSTY WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS AND KNOW THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL CAN DISCUSS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE I I KNOW YOU AND I BELIEVE YOU BUT I'D RATHER SEE ANN ARBOR SAY THAT AND THEN I WOULD NOT IF THEY THEY APPLIED FOR THE REMOVAL MONTHS AGO BUT SINCE WE'RE GOING TO THEY SAID JUST WAIT FOR THIS PROCESS BEFORE REMOVING THE TREES OKAY YEAH THAT MAKES A BADLY YEAH AND I KNOW THERE WAS JUST ONE TAKEN OUT ON THE CORNER OF LAWRENCE AND MOORE LAST WEEK AS WELL. THAT ONE DID HAVE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE WHEN WE APPROVED THAT ONE WHEN WE REVIEWED THAT PROJECT AND THEY HAD A LETTER I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LETTER AS PART OF THE REVIEW BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. I HONESTLY THOUGHT THAT THE TOWN HAD HAD THE LETTER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE THEY DID SUBMIT AN APPLICATION LIKE I SAID MONTHS AGO I HAVEN'T SEEN IT SINCE BUT I CAN GET THAT LETTER FOR YOU AND AT THE HEIGHT THERE'S A THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT HAS A CARRIAGE HOME TALLER THAN THE HOUSE I FOUND IT TODAY AND IT'S ON PRITCHARD STREET SO I REALLY DO THAT. KAREN TRUMP HAS TO PLACE SECOND TO THE HOUSE SIDE.

I MEAN WE DROPPED THE PLATE ON THE FIRST FLOOR A FOOT OKAY CREATE THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE DID THE REVIEW IT WAS A FOOT HIGHER THAN IT IS. OKAY WHY DO YOU NEED THE TEN FOOT CEILING IN THE GARAGE IF HAS AN EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOOR AND THE ROOM NEXT TO IT IS JUST A KIND A BEDROOM SIZED OFFICE WHY DOES IT NEED A TEN FOOT CEILING THAT'S JUST OWNER REQUEST. I MEAN I THINK THE CLEANEST THE EASIEST WAY TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS TO MAKE THAT NINE WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE AREA AND THEN SECOND FLOOR IS ALSO VERY TALL.

I MEAN YOU KNOW YEAH MOST OF THE OLD TOWN HOUSES THE SECOND FLOOR IS AT LEAST PARTIALLY UNDER ROOF BY DROPPING A BEARING AND THERE'S NINE FEET TO THE BOTTOM OF A TRUST THAT HAS AN ENTIRE FOOT OF HEEL THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A STRUCTURAL NEED.

YEAH. SO I THINK THERE'S STILL QUITE BIT OF HEIGHT THAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS STRUCTURE WITHOUT REALLY SACRIFICING ANY PARTICULAR LUXURY IN THE DESIGN OF IT. YEAH, I MEAN I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN TYPICALLY ON THIS YOU KNOW THE ROOF ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT PLATE IS SEVEN FOOT AND THE DORMER IS NINE FOOT AND YOU'RE NINE FOOT ON THAT PLUS ANOTHER FOOT THAT'S REALLY TALL AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF HEADROOM BETWEEN THE ACTUAL WINDOWS, THE DORMER AND BETWEEN THE HEAD OF THE AND THE PLATE OF THE DORM ROOM THAT'S LIKE TWO FEET USUALLY THEY SHOULD BE MORE LIKE A FOOT BUT.

YOU REALLY CAN'T BRING THAT DOWN UNLESS YOU BRING THE OTHER ROOF DOWN.

IT JUST EVERYTHING IS WAY, WAY TALLER THAN IT SHOULD BE FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE.

I MEAN THESE ARE I THINK A FOOT IS DEFINITELY ON THE FIRST FLOOR SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT.

I MEAN IT'S MORE I THINK ON SECOND FLOOR IT STILL GIVES YOU PLENTY OF SPACE ON THERE AND A STAFF HAS POINTED OUT THE PROPORTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR REALLY AREN'T HELPING AT ALL HELPING IN CASE THE COLUMNS ARE VERY TALL AND SKINNY THE SIDING AND BEEF UP THE COLUMNS.

YEAH THE KIND OF WHOLE FLANK SIDE ON THE ONE SIDE THAT HAS A WEIRD YEAH WE WE WOULD A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE POSSIBLY PUTTING IN SOME FAKE SHUTTERS OR SOMETHING BUT THERE NO THE SHUTTERS ON THE ON THE HOUSE AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING A WINDOW THERE BUT THE LOCATION OF THE WINDOW WON'T UP WITH LOCATION THE WINDOW UNDERNEATH IT DOING IT BUT I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO THE CLOSET IN THERE AND THERE'S A CLOSET GOES ON AND THERE'S A BATHROOM TO THERE SO THE TALKING BUT WINDOWS ON WALL THERE ARE BUT THEN THE THE LINING UP THE WINDOWS HELLO WHAT DO THEY LINE UP THERE'S THEY'RE LINING UP WITH THE BACK OF THE GARAGE CAN THOSE WINDOWS MOVE I GUESS THE MAIN IS I MEAN CAN MOVE THOSE WINDOWS IN THE

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I MEAN THE PLAN REALLY NOW I'M LOOKING IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE EQUALLY SPACED ON THAT ELEVATION ARE REALLY DRAWN IN THE SAME SPOT THE FLOOR PLAN SO IT'S SORT MAKES ME WONDER WHETHER ANYBODY ACTUALLY REALLY BOTHERED STUDY ON THAT SIDE WELL WE LOOKED IT BUT I THOUGHT OUR LAST MEETING BUT YOU KNOW SO AN IDEA COULD AND I'M NOT ALL THE WINDOW IN THE WASH THE LAUNDRY ROOM I THINK ABSOLUTELY COULD FIT WITH THE HOME GYM YOU COULD MOVE YOUR SINK TO YOUR TOILET YOUR TOILET TO YOUR SINK AND THEN YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM BEHIND THAT. I'VE SEEN WINDOWS BEHIND TOILETS.

I KNOW YOU NEED A MIRROR AND LIGHTS BEHIND THE SINK. MAYBE SOME REWORKING OF THAT AND THEN IT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE WINDOW IN THE HOME OFFICE AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE WINDOWS DOWNSTAIRS OVER ANY AND THAT'S A VERY NOVICE SUGGESTION BUT LOOKING AT IT IT DOES LOOK VERY BLANK ON THAT ONE SIDE. YEAH YOU MIGHT EVEN FLIP THE SHOWER IN THE TOILET I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS. YEAH YEAH BUT I TOTALLY CAN MOVE OR THE SINK IS AND YOU CAN PUT IT OVER THE TOILET I MEAN THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO SHIFT THAT AND GET A WINDOW IN THERE. YEAH I'M CONCERNED NOW THAT JOE POINTED OUT THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE NOT IN THE SAME POSITION THAT THEY ARE ON THE ELEVATION THEY LOOK EVENLY SPACED ON THAT LEFT ELEVATION AND THEY'RE NOT EVENLY SPACED ON THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE GROUND FLOOR YOU GET IN THERE, YOU'RE YEAH OTHER QUESTIONS START IT'S QUITE A BIT TO LOOK AT HERE YEAH I MEAN IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE LIKE THE STAFF FINDINGS OF THE KIND OF ASKING US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPORTIONS THE HEIGHT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY TO SHORTEN IT AND THERE'S INCONSISTENCY IN THE DRAWINGS HERE JUST AS WE FLIP THROUGH THAT THE SECOND FLOOR IS LABELED TEN FEET THERE INSTEAD OF NINE FEET LIKE A COUPLE OF SPOTS. SO NOT I THINK THERE'S A LOT QUITE A BIT TO BE DONE THERE. THE POSTS ARE SKINNY AND YOU KNOW I WOULD WANT TO SEE THEM BROUGHT INTO PROPORTION THE SPACING BETWEEN THE COLUMNS TO THE HEIGHT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE VIDEO THAT BE KIND OF THE COLUMN SPACING BE NARROWER THAN THE HEIGHT THE COLUMN MAY AND LIKE AT LEAST EIGHT INCH POST INSTEAD OF THE SIXTH SENSE HAS SHOWN THE EAVES AT THE TWO FEET ARE REALLY WIDE IT'S WEIRD IT DOESN'T EVEN MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND EVEN UP HERE ON THE SIDE THE EVEN UP IN THE RAKE I DON'T THINK REALLY MATCHED THE EXISTING HOUSE. I THINK THEY SHOULD I THINK I WOULD YEAH I THINK A LOT OF WORK NEED TO HAPPEN ON THIS ELEVATION HERE SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF REVIEWING THIS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE KICKING? WE WANT TO SEE AT THE HPC LEVEL AGAIN I DON'T THINK THAT I'M GOING TO GET TO SOMEWHERE WHERE I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE TO MAKE MOTION THAT DOES GET STAFF REVIEWED AT THIS POINT.

I MEAN EVEN THE EXPRESSION LINE I THINK HAS SOME WORK WHERE IT IS AND THE SIZE OF THE EXPRESSION LINE KIND OF LIKE HAS BEEN POINTED OUT. YEAH I'M I'M AT THE SAME PLACE I WOULD I LIKE I'D LIKE GO THROUGH ANOTHER ROUND OF SOME CAREFUL THOUGHT INTO THE DESIGN . ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AND I'M IN AGREEANCE I MEAN JUST LOOKING AT AND EVERYBODY IS ALREADY VOICED SO I DIDN'T TOO MUCH DUE TO THE HIGH PROPORTION WAY THAT

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BRING IN THE ARBORIST LETTER EVERYTHING ELSE SO YOU WILL HAVE A FULL REVISED APPLICATION THIS IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE OLD TOWN MASTER PLAN ADDRESSES AS I SCALING ISSUES BUT ULTIMATELY YOU ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY REALLY TO DO ONE OF THOSE THREE UNLESS THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ALLOW THIS TO KIND OF GO BACK TO CONSIDER YOU KNOW FOR CONSIDERATION. SO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO I MEAN WE'RE GOING TO DO BASICALLY MAKE THE CHANGES ACCORDING TO THE NOTES THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM, YOU KNOW, THE EVE WITH THE TABLE. RIGHT.

ALL AT ALL. AND OF COURSE THE CANOPY AND ALL THAT STUFF TOO.

AND WE'VE OFFERED THIS TO SEVERAL APPLICANTS RECENTLY WHERE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME INTO THE PRC SORT OF THROW SOME IDEAS RIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE ANOTHER MONTH. IS WE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS? YEAH IF WE TO IF WE VOTE AND DENY IT IT WILL BE A LONGER PROCESS THAN IF WE DON'T WANT A LONGER PROCESS. YEAH SO I MEAN LIKE I SAID I'LL GET MY DRAFTSMAN BACK TOMORROW OKAY. TURN AROUND IF I CAN GET IT IN FOR THE NEXT MEETING SO IT'S WHEN WE PLACE HOLD HIM FOR I MEAN BECAUSE YEAH IT'S NOT KEEPING 60 DAYS OUT IF IT'S NOT A FULL DAY WE GET IT TO YOU QUICKLY. YES IF WE CAN GET IT FAIRLY QUICKLY I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERN WITH IT GOING ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA BUT I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE LET ME KNOW. ALL RIGHT. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO ALLOW THIS AND WILLING TO ALLOW THIS TO BE TABLED.

OKAY. THANK YOU WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN WE NEED TO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR 36/4 STREET SECOND AND ANY DISCUSSION ON FAVOR I MOTION IS TABLED AND GO TO 27 BRIDGE STREET EAST YOU READY THIS

[VII.5. 27 Bridge Street: A request by Jason Broene (Court Atkins Architects), Applicant, on behalf of Mike Nerhaus and Jessical Foley, Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to amend an approved COFA-HD to allow the installed brick foundation to remain for the house under construction at 27 Bridge Street in OId Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-05-25-011989) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

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I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK SHIRLEY ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO IT WAS FOR A GOOD LOOK? YES.

SO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL IS IS SHOWN HERE SO IT WAS BRICK WITH THE THE WOOD LOUVERS UNDERNEATH THE WINDOWS AND SO THIS GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT THERE IS A CRAWL AND THEN JUST DECIDED TO NOT GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF WHAT WAS APPROVED AND JUST TO IT ALL AROUND.

CORRECT. BUT ALSO THE BRICK HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED PER THE DETAILING BECAUSE THAT BRICK SITS PROUD OF ALL BAND BOARD AND THE FRAMING ABOVE WHEREAS THE DETAIL WAS FOR EVERYTHING TO BE RECESSED IS THAT THE DETAIL LOOKS REALLY NICE THE BRICK IS PUSHED BACK BEHIND THE BAND BOARD. YEAH.

WHICH IS NOT AT ALL WHAT IS OUT BUT IT'S THE SLAB WAS PROBABLY IT LOOKS LIKE INSTALLED THE EDGE OF THE FRAMING AND THEN THE BRICK IS ALL OUTSIDE OF OF THAT TRIM WORK.

YEAH BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A BRICK ROLLER COURSE AT THE TOP THAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THE DETAIL CORRECT THERE WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE GONE ABOVE AN OPENING INTO A CRAWL SPACE.

I'M KIND OF AT A LOSS HERE. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHARLOTTE ON THE SO GO BACK TO THAT FIRST PICTURE SO IT WAS BRICK ALLOWED AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IF WE COME OUT OF THIS TOWN HALL WE'RE RUNNING IN TO THE SIDE RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO GO BACK TO YOUR DRAWING WHERE YOU HAD LOOKED THAT SO THE LEFT SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE KIND OF RECTANGULAR DOTTED THINGS I DON'T KNOW WHERE AND THEY'RE OVER THE MAYBE I'M NOT LOOKING AT THAT SO THE B BUT THE BOARD THE HOG BOARD I CALL IT SHOULD BE 12345 SPOTS RIGHT NOT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ELEVATION THAT WAS CONSIDERED BRICK THAT WAS THIS WAS HOW IT WAS APPROVED.

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OKAY. AND THEN HELP ME WITH THE SIX FOOT ISSUE WHEN I'M NO, I'M SORRY OVER IT I WAS THERE'S A NOTE ON THE PLAN THAT THE THE SERVICE YARD FENCE HEIGHT IS A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET. IT SHOULD BE MAXIMUM. OKAY THANK YOU SO IT'S KIND OF JUST TO GET THAT WORDING CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK OKAY. SO THE BRICK WAS APPROVED BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN YEAH CORRECT. YES, I WAS WRONG FOR ALL FROM THE LOOK OF IT IN MY OPINION IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY INSTALLED THE FOUNDATION LIKE THEY WERE DOING IT AND NOT THE BRICK DETAIL I GUESS THERE'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BUT IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO JASON WITH KORDA ATKINS ARCHITECTS WE CAN GO BACK AND ACTUALLY LET'S GO BACK TO THE SO THIS IS CHARLOTTE WAS SAYING THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED THE IT'S THE EXECUTION THE FOUNDATION DETAIL WASN'T EXACTLY IS ON THE DRAWINGS BUT THE INTENT IT'S A SLAB ON GRADE SO THE INTENT WAS TO SHOW A PHOTO BRICK PIER WITH A FAUX LOUVERS LET'S WHEN THE HOMEOWNER SAW THE DETAIL EXECUTED IN THE FIELD THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T LIKE THE SLATS AND PREFERRED JUST PREFERRED A SOLID SOLID FOUNDATION SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY AS FAR AS THE YUDO THERE IS YOU KNOW THERE'S A SECTION 5.15 .6.3.1 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT EXPOSED FOUNDATIONS AND BRICK OR TABBY SOLID BRICK OR SOLID TABBY STUCCO IS ALLOWED SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE UDL WHERE YOU KNOW WE'RE FOR REFERENCING WHICH WE REFERENCED IN THE RESPONSE ABOUT JUST HAVING A SOLID SOLID FOUNDATION AROUND THE ENTIRE AROUND THE ENTIRE HOUSE. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHEN YOU PRESENT IT TO US FOR APPROVAL.

OH YEAH YEAH SO YEAH CERTAINLY ASKING FOR YES CERTAINLY THE YEAH THE RIGHT THE THE PREFERRED WAY OF THE RIGHT WAY IS TO TRY TO GET IN HERE BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY EXECUTED IN THE FIELD AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY IN THIS CASE I MEAN THIS IS TIGHT YOU'RE IN AN ENVIABLE POSITION OF YOUR DETAIL IS VERY NICE AND EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IT FOR A BRICK FOUNDATION WHERE THE BRICK IS SET IN BEHIND THE BAND BOARD BUT THE HISTORIC LOOK AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU KNOW WE'RE VERY PRETTY MUCH PARTICULAR ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING IN WITH BRICK UNLESS YOU'RE DOING SOME SORT OF BUILT IN PORCH LOOK AND WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BRICK DETAILING AND JUST NOT INSTALLED THAT WAY AT ALL AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND I FEEL THAT IF WE JUST SAID JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY THAT IT IS, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS ONCE APPROVED YOU CAN GO OUT IN THE FIELD, CHANGE YOUR MIND AND IT'S OKAY AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AND MY MY MAIN QUALM WITH IT IS THE THE APPLICATION OF THAT BRICK REAL LOG ABOVE IT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT I THINK WE COULD OVERLOOK THE SWAP OF HAVING BRICK INSTEAD OF DELIVERS BUT YEAH I MEAN IT WAS CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

HAVE THOSE INDENTATIONS THEN A LOOK LIKE A BRICK FACE RIGHT LIKE THAT IS THAT IN IT LOOKS LIKE A PERIOD THAT WAS LIKE CHOSEN FOR THAT. YEAH SECOND IF THAT WAS CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT WAS A SOLID BRICK BASE. I MEAN THAT'S ANOTHER STORY YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS AND PLACE TO BUILD THAT OUT AND WHAT KNOW I MEAN I, I, WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS THAT IT IS BUILT OUT I, I MEAN IF IT WAS UP TO ME WE'D EXPECT ALL THE BRICK BUT I MEAN I THINK IT'S A KIND OF A LITTLE DETAIL IF IT GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS INTO INDENTATION THEN YEAH IT'S THAT IT YEAH IT'S UP HERE NOT HISTORIC I MEAN YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT EVEN YEAH.

I MEAN THIS IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW BUT I YOU SEE THAT AS A BRICK BASE WITH REGARD TO I

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I'M GOING TO SAY IS THE BUILDER NOT HERE? IT'S THE HERE.

BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF THE IF IF A YOU KNOW IF A SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION IS A PURPOSE APPROPRIATE I GUESS AS WELL IT WOULD BE A OF A QUESTION IF WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE FROM FOLD OVER TO A TO A SOLID BRICK BECAUSE AT THIS POINT SOLUTION IS TO BASICALLY LIKE THIN BRICK . YEAH YOU'D HAVE TO BRING IT OUT AND HAVE IT BE SOLID.

YEAH RIGHT. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE FOUNDATION IS SET UP IS EITHER TEARING STUCCO VENEER OR A THIN BRICK APPLICATION. REAL LIKE DETAIL IS JUST WEIRD.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S THAT'S THE BIG PART THAT DOES NOT APPEAR ANYMORE.

YEAH YEAH SO THE IS THE FOUNDATION RECESSED FOR THE BRICK OR IS A PANEL IN BETWEEN THE PIERS THEN BRICK PANEL I BELIEVE IS THIN YEAH THAT'S HOW'S EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT IT BEING ALL BRICK I'M TRYING I JUST LOOK AT THE SECTIONS AGAIN ABOUT HERE'S SOME YEAH I MEAN I'M I'M OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF IT BEING ALL BRICK IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE THE OFFSET OF THE BRICK ROW LOT TO IMPLY PIERS IF YOU'D HAVE TO REDO THE OFFSET SO IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT. THERE HAS TO BE ONE CONSISTENT LINE ONE POINT YES. YEAH. GO IN OTHER PARTS I JUST DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY DECIDED CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT GOING THROUGH US.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF WE WERE TO DENY IT IS BUILDER KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO TOO WELL IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW I GUESS HOW THEY FIX IT YEAH JUST THAT IS TRICKY WORK YEAH I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT AND I IT'S HARD TO BUILD AN OLD TOWN BUT THERE'S A REASON WHY VALUES ARE SO HIGH AND IT'S WE FOLLOW OUR YOUDO AND THIS WAS DONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM TOWN HALL AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BACK TO WHAT WAS APPROVED I DIDN'T APPROVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD APPROVE IT. I DON'T IF YOU APPROVED IT IF IT CAME TO US OR IF IT WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR US TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.

WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WAS APPROVED LAST IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO BUT THIS WAS HARD TO GO BACK TO THAT BECAUSE THE YOU KNOW WELL I THINK SHE SAID IT BUT I THINK SHE A MISTAKE IT WAS NO IT WAS THE TABBY WAS NOT NEVER APPROVED IT WAS AS THE BULLET SAID A BRICK WAS ALWAYS YEAH THIS WHAT WAS HERS SO LIKE THE SOLID BASICALLY SELL A BRICK HERE AND THEY SAID SORT OF JUST YEAH THE DIFFERENCE IS THE END WHICH IS RIGHT THAT END IS RIGHT UP ON THE STREET WAS APPROVED TO LOOK LIKE BRICK PIERS HOG PINNING AND THAT WAS ALL DETAILED REALLY NICELY TO SIT BACK ON BAND BOARD LIKE WE WOULD EXPECT IF YOU EVER DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU KNOW WHEN I WAS IN FRONT OF THAT IF YOU TAKE THAT WATER TABLE OFF IT'S GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE THOSE THE BRICK EARS ARE GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BAND BOARD RIGHT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GO TO THAT YEAH WELL YEAH MEAN THE SLAB IS THE BRICK HERE IS THAT BRICK OR IS THAT A REAL IT'S IT'S BUILT OUT LITTLE BIT IT'S A COUPLE COUPLE LAYERS IT'S NOT A FULL SET OF WHOLE THING YOU KNOW THE PANEL IS THEN BRICK IN BETWEEN THE BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT

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YEAH WELL THAT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK RIGHT I MEAN THE SOLUTION IN MY MIND IS THIN BRICK THE WAY AROUND OR HEAVY STUCCO ALL THE WAY AROUND. YEAH YEAH.

I MEAN THAT THAT IS IF IT'S GOING TO BE APPEAR THAT WATER TABLE NEEDS TO GO YOU KNOW I WAS LOOKING FOR WHETHER THERE'S A PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE UNDERPINNING VERSUS SOLID I'M NOT SEEING IT BUT I'M I'M SEARCHING VERY QUICKLY BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ENCOURAGED IF IT WAS GOING TO BE THIN BRICK ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I'D WANT TO SEE WHAT A CORNER SAMPLE LIKE OF THAT A LOT LIKE TILE COMING TOGETHER.

GOTCHA. RIGHT RIGHT YEAH YEAH. YOU KNOW WANT THAT EDGE YOU KNOW NEAR THE CORNER OF THE YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH RIGHT BUT THE YOU KNOW FIELD LOOKS NICE ENOUGH YOU KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE FULL BRICK SIDE BY SIDE WHEN YOU WALK PAST IT.

SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE A MOTION WOULD WOULD BE SAYING WE VOTE TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION IT'S EITHER FINISHED IN HEAVY STUCCO OR AND THEN BRICK PROVIDED THERE'S A MATERIAL SAMPLE SHOWN AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT'S STILL CHANGING.

WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN I GUESS I'M TRYING TO AVOID JUST DENYING IT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANY GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT WE'RE OH IF WE DID NOT WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY TO REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL AND CAN YOU STUCCO BRICK ARE YOU SAYING TO STUCCO OVER THE BRICK THAT WAS PUT IN WRONG WHEN LOOK AT THE TAKE THAT BREAK DOWN AND WE SEE DOWN THE BAND RIGHT WHERE WHERE THE FACE OF THE BRICK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IS ACTUALLY THE FACES OF FOUNDATION BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER RECESSED.

SO BUILDING OUT YOU HAVE TO BUILD OUT FROM THERE YOU CAN EITHER DO THIN BRICK OR STUCCO TO REALLY GET THE RIGHT LOOK OKAY. AGAIN, I FEEL THAT WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE AND THIS IS HOW I FEEL IS TO GO BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH SO IF WE VOTE TO DENY IT THEN THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SUBMITTAL FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO BEYOND THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

SO CURRENTLY WHAT IS APPROVED IS THE FOUNDATION PIERS DELIVERS RIGHT AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION. SO IF YOU DID NOT A SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION THEN THE EXISTING APPLICATION AND EXISTING REMAINS.

SO WHAT IS THERE PERMITTED TO BUILD IS THE BRICK PIERS WITH THE LOUVERS AND AS YOU SAW EARLIER WHAT I'M GATHERING AND I'M AN ARCHITECT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS IS THAT TRYING TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY FOR ME PROVED DIFFICULT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. YES. YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION BASED OFF OF HOW WAS CONSTRUCTED BUT HOW WE CAN COMPLY WITH YOU AND IF IT IS A SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION ,YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO SEE SAMPLES. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS I GUESS IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL ARE IS WHAT THE CONCERN IS THE SAMPLE, THE BRICK OR IS IT MORE ABOUT BECAUSE A SOLID FOUNDATION ISN'T PERMITTED FOUNDATION OR UNDERPINNING I GUESS UNDER THE YOU THE MAIN CONCERN IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY COULD EVEN DO A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION WITHIN THE WATER TABLE TO CHANGE THE WATER TABLE. YOU KNOW THAT ADDRESS IT HAS TO BE ALL PARTY LED ANALYSIS. SO THE COVERS OVER THE WATER TABLE RIGHT HERE.

HELLO THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE. SO IT WASN'T EVEN CONSTRUCTED TO GO BY OUR ORIGINAL APPROVAL

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OKAY. YES. AND THAT'S WHERE THE YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD ON THE BUILDER EITHER WAY.

BUT IF IT WASN'T EVEN BUILT CORRECTLY YOU'LL IF THE EXPECTATION IS GO BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE APPROVAL I MEAN THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE LEFT WHEN IT WAS WHEN THE FOUNDATION WAS POURED SO YOU REALLY CAN'T GO BACK AND EDIT THE FOUNDATION OR JUST A BUT THIN BRICK WOULD PROVIDE LOOK OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE BOARDS IN BECAUSE THE BOARDS WOULD PROJECT I MEAN THEY WOULD BASICALLY BE IN THE SAME PART OF THE BRICK REALLY NO WAY TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RIGHT NOW.

YEAH SO SO BRICK PROVIDES LIKE KIND OF AN IN-BETWEEN WHERE IT IS A FULL BRICK BUT THE BRICK IS THE BRICK FACE THE APPEARANCES IN, THE PROPER PLAIN THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE BUT YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET SORT OF PADDING BETWEEN IT. YEAH WELL IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT TO DO THAT. SO HOW DO YOU CONNECT A BRICK WITH ONE OF THOSE PIERS WHERE SOME OF THE PIERS HAVE A A BRICK TO MAKE IT APPEAR TO HAVE TO GO SO LIKE EVERYTHING DOWN AND REDO IT OR YOU COULD PROBABLY THEY MIGHT BE APPLIED RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT IN OR OVER IT IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO DO IT IN CLEAN AND DO THE WATER TABLE ON TOP OF THAT. WELL I DON'T LIKE MEAN THAT'S NOT WE'RE ALWAYS ARGUING TO DESTROY IT'S IN THERE ALL THE WAY AROUND IS THERE I THINK BUILDERS I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO PROVIDE THE OPTIONS BUT WELL THAT'S AGAIN WE'RE NOT A THE I AGREE IT'S A SOLID FOUNDATIONS THAT IS YEAH THAT'S VERY GOOD JUST SO YEAH THE INTENT IS TO GO TO A SOLID SOLID BRICK AND YEAH TO FLUSH THAT OUT I AGREE IT SHOULD BE ALL BE ALL BE IN THE SAME IN THE SAME PLAIN AND THAT'S YOU KNOW IF TO GET THAT TO WORK I THINK WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TENDS TO JUST DIDN'T WORK IT OUT TO GET IT ALL ALL THAT SAME PLAN AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT COURSES OUT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND MAKE SURE IT'S LOOKING APPROPRIATE LIKE YOU SAID THE CORNERS BUT AGAIN THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO A SOLID BRICK SO THAT THAT'S STILL THE CASE.

THEY'RE TALKING THERE. DO THESE DO IT ACTUALLY I SEE THAT RIGHT NOW AND THAT THAT RIGHT SO THAT'S WHAT THE WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN MAKE A WE APPROVE THE IDEA OF A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION PROVIDED THERE'S DETAILS AND SAMPLES GIVEN BEFORE THE WORK IS DONE BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR MOST THE MOTION AT THIS MEETING ARE ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TODAY OR IS SOMETHING I COULD WITHDRAW AFTER THE DISCUSSION LIKE THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION YOU KNOW MEAN THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S A THIS IS A PROJECT YOU CAN LITTLE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE WANTING ANSWER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BUT IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER AND THE AGENCY DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RENDER A DECISION YOU CAN REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT AND IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE IT TABLED YOU CAN DENY THAT APPLICATION THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVALS BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE AS I UNDERSTAND IT CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING OPEN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE HBC IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON . YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION IF IT IS A QUESTION ABOUT MATERIAL AND SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE IF THE REST OF THE HBC IS BEHIND WITH A SOLID GRID FOUNDATION IN THEORY HPR YOU MAY BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPLIANT SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF COMING TO HBC AGAIN AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT QUICKER OF A TURNAROUND. OKAY, SO IT'S JUST CHARLOTTE IS THE REQUEST TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW CORRECT? YEAH.

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WELL THEY'RE ASKING FOR A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION WHAT HOW IT GETS DONE.

THEY'RE ASKING HOW IT LOOKS CURRENTLY THEY WANT TO LEAVE IT WHICH IS A FULL BRICK FOUNDATION. RIGHT. BUT WE COULD I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY WE APPROVE IDEA OF IT NOT IN THIS CURRENT STATE BUT WITH ANOTHER PROVIDED TO THE PRC AND WITH THE MATERIALS PROVIDED AND SO ON AND SO FORTH SO THAT WE DON'T I'M TRYING TO AVOID HAVING COME BACK TO THE HBC AGAIN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT RIGHT NOW OKAY.

IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE BREAKDOWN THE FULL BRICK FOUNDATION? NO. IS BRICK IS THERE IS A BRICK ALLOWED? YOU KNOW, MORGAN SAID IF THEY'RE NOT BIG IT'S NOT IN STRAIGHT TEXT BUT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE HISTORIC COTTAGES IN TOWN HAVING BRICK PIERS WITH THE PAINTINGS IN BETWEEN IS VERY MUCH A PART.

BLUFFTON AND FABRIC FOUNDATION HAS NOT BEEN IF A SOLID FOUNDATION IS NOT AND AGAIN WE ARE SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE THEN. NO, BUT I THINK THE TRICK IS THAT THERE AT THE WAY THE PROJECT HAS BEEN SET UP AND THE WAY THE SLAB WAS INSTALLED THAT THEY ARE KIND OF STUCK WITH A SOLID FOUNDATION MOST LIKELY, YES.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GO FROM HERE. YOU KNOW THEY CAN'T GO JUST BECAUSE DONATIONS CONCRETE UNDER THE HOUSES ON THE SECTION BUT AGAIN THAT SAYS THE PRESIDENT THAT YOU COME IN GET SOMETHING APPROVED GO BACK OUT IN THE FIELD START BUILDING SAY I DO NOT LIKE IT AND CHANGE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON.

I'M NOT SAYING AGREE WHERE THEY ARE NOW. I THINK THEY WILL AGREE THAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED. WE'RE TRYING TO I MEAN AT SOME WAY ON KNOW I DON'T KNOW THEY WERE DISAGREEING WITH THAT. YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO YES, IT'S GOING BE HARD NO MATTER WHAT. IT'S NOT EASY TO DO THIS. SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND WE'RE DENYING THE ROLLBACK OBVIOUSLY. SO UNTIL WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN POSSIBLY BUILD ON. SO WE'RE PROBABLY LEANING TOWARDS A DENIAL UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE MOTION BE TABLED. I'M SORRY THIS IS NOT YOUR UNFORTUNATELY BUT THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT AS WELL I MEAN IF THIS WAS A THIS WAS A FULL PROJECT DURING DESIGN DENIAL YOU HAVE TO MAKE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE DESIGN TO COME BACK IF AT THE REQUIREMENT THE SAME IN THIS CASE I MEAN IF IT'S IF IT'S DENIED TO NOT LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICATION I MEAN THEY HAVEN'T THEY HAVE FEWER RIGHTS BUT FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE HAVING IT TABLED IS GENERALLY SPEAKING A MUCH QUICKER TURNAROUND IS ABOUT GETTING IT BACK BEFORE THE HBC AS QUICKLY POSSIBLE IT SOUNDS LIKE RATHER YOU KNOW WHAT WAS PRESENTED WHAT WAS APPLIED FOR WAS AS COMMISSIONER SOGA POINTED OUT WAS TO KEEP WHAT HAD BEEN DONE. HBC IS NOT DOESN'T SEEM TO GRANT THAT A THEORETICAL SOLID BRICK FOUNDATION I THINK IS NOW BEING PROPOSED BUT HBC WANTS KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AND HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH MATERIALS JUST LIKE YOU WOULD IN A DESIGN PROCESS. I WANT TO SEE THE AND HOW IT'S HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILT OUT. SO I THINK TABLING IT WOULD BE THE SIMPLER WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT AND THE QUICKER, QUICKER PROCESS THAT WE WILL TABLE.

YEAH YEAH. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION AND YOU JUST HEARD THE DISCUSSION ON PAPER I KNOW ESPECIALLY TABLE.

THANKS JASON. YOU HAVE POINT OF INFORMATION CHARLOTTE IF THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THIS THAT HAPPEN, WHAT DOES THE TOWN HAVE YOU DON'T GET THEO RIGHT BECAUSE YOU DON'T MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND IT WAS OVER. YOU CALLED IT AND THEY DIDN'T

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SOME THINGS CAN BE DONE AT STAFF LEVEL AND IN THIS CASE WE WERE NOT DOING THAT AT STAFF LEVEL SO WE WOULD REQUIRE HBC FOR THE AMENDMENT. YEAH OKAY.

[VII.6. 106 Bridge Street: A request by Ansley Manuel (Manuel Studio), Applicant, on behalf of Jeffrey Zehel, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to construct a 1- story single-family house of approximately 2,130 SF and a 2-story Carriage House of approximately 1,161 SF at 106 Bridge Street in OId Town Bluffton Historic District, and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-03-25-019626) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

SO THE APPLICANT HEARS OR INFORMATION REGARDING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS WHERE WE'VE HAD THE MOST CONCERN WITH THIS APPLICATION.

THE HEIGHT IS SHOWN IS 24 FEET EIGHT INCHES WHICH IS SLIGHTLY TALLER AND PRESENTLY THAN THE MAIN HOUSE AND WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ROOF AND THE HEIGHT AND THEN SOME CONCERNS RELATED TO SOME OTHER ELEMENTS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT TOO. SO THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND BASED ON THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED AND SO I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THAT TO YOU TONIGHT TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO RESPOND TO THE THE STAFF REPORT SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THEY'VE ADDED A DORMER ON THE FRONT ELEVATION THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE FOUNDATION

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THE REVIEW CRITERIA THERE ARE FOUR CRITERIA AND THERE ARE SOME DETERMINATIONS AGAIN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AS WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS TONIGHT AND FOR THE REVIEW CRITERIA TO BE MET THOSE DETERMINATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE AND THERE WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLYING WITH CONDITIONS. SO THE FINDINGS BY STAFF RELATE TO DETERMINATIONS THE SITING OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO THE MAIN HEALTH THEY SEEM VERY CLOSE IN PROXIMITY AND STAFF AND COMFORTABLE WITH THAT HOW THEY WERE CITED THE HEIGHT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE PRESENTLY IS TALLER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE ACCORDING TO THE YUDO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SHOULD BE SECONDARY BUT AGAIN THE SITE CONSTRUCTED AND THERE MAY BE SOME SOME ROOM FOR CONSIDERATION ABOUT TWO STOREY CARRIAGE HOUSE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ROOFLINE AND AND THEN THE LACK OF WINDOWS WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY ADJUSTED CONDITIONS SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS BEEN MET BASED ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT I SHOWED YOU ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS PRIOR TO ANY DISTURBANCE ON SHORE ROAD AVENUE RIGHT AWAY INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TREE REMOVAL THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON APPROVAL MUST BE OBTAINED PROVIDED FROM THE CAB DETAIL PROVIDE DETAILS RELATED TO THE STAIRCASE WE DON'T HAVE MATERIALS REGARDING THE RAILINGS THE APPLICANT INCLUDE A FRONT PORCH RAILING ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE DETAILS AS WELL THE FIXED WINDOWS ON THE MAIN HOUSE .

THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THOSE TWO CASEMENT WINDOWS BECAUSE FIXED WINDOWS ARE NOT ALLOWED THE UEO UNLESS THE HPC ACCEPTS THAT AND THEN ALSO I WANT TO POINT OUT REGARDING THE SETBACK TO RELOCATE THE MAIN HOUSE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND TO NOT ALLOW THE CHIMNEY TO BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET. I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT I DO WANT TO SHOW ON THE PLAN THAT THE HOUSE IS SHOWN RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH HAS THE EAVES EXTENDING OVER INTO THE YARD RIGHT AWAY, THIRD AVENUE RIGHT AWAY AND THAT THE CHIMNEY IS ALSO LOCATED WITH THE RIGHT IN THE RIGHT AWAY SO THE HOUSE WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED AT LEAST FIVE FEET WEST SO THAT IT DOESN'T ENCROACH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND I'D BE GLAD TO GO BACK THROUGH ANY OF THESE SLIDES TALK ABOUT ANY OF THE CONDITIONS AS YOU YOU CAN IMPROVE WITH CONDITIONS YOU CAN APPROVE AS SUBMITTED OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO HELP ASSIST YOU BUT AGAIN ANYTHING I CAN GO BACK OVER ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS CHARLOTTE SINCE WE JUST BEAT THE

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OKAY. I JUST WANT LOOKS LIKE HAPPY BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND IT'S ALSO ON A CRAWL SPACE SO IT'S OH AT SOME POINT IT WOULD AFFECT DELIVERIES.

YES. YES, I KNEW THAT I SAW THAT. OKAY.

THE PUSHING BACK FROM GARRARD WOULD ALSO NECESSITATE RELOCATING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

CORRECT. I WOULD ASSUME SO YEAH. YEAH YEAH WELL NOW WE HAVE QUESTIONS ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. NO THAT'S QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT I MEAN OKAY AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF THE THE CARRIAGE HOUSES ARE CONCERNED AS WELL.

CORRECT? IT'S TALLER THAT HEIGHT AS DRAWN.

YES BUT THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE FOUNDATION BE RAISED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

SO I THINK THAT OKAY BUT DOES THAT MAKE THE HOUSE TALLER THAN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE? ARE WE ASKING FOR A RELIEF THAT PROBABLY SO. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE TREE ALL RIGHT YOU CAN RAISE THE HOUSE TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT TREE OVERHANGS.

YEAH. THE DIRECTION OF IT. OH, THE HOUSE.

THE REASON OR THE END OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE BEEN INCREASED? BRING IT DOWN IS YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IT LOOKS LIKE THE EIGHT INCH THERE WAS AN EIGHT INCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THEY WILL NOW BE EQUAL. YEAH CORRECT.

YOUR REQUEST ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SO YEAH HERE THEY LIKE TO PRESENT ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS QUESTIONS HI AINSLEY MANUAL THE ARCHITECT AND BILL WAS HERE THE HOMEOWNER AND MASONS THE BUILDER. REGARDING I GUESS WE'LL START WITH WHERE THE HOUSE IS SITTING IS FOR IS THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE ADJOINS THE RIGHT AT THE 30 FOOT RIGHT AWAY WE HAD DISCUSSIONS I'D HAVE TO FIND EMAIL WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THE LIVE OAK TO SHIFT IT CLOSER THAN THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO IF CAN FIND THAT EMAIL AND THAT DISCUSSION DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT STOOD OUT WHERE YOU MOVE IN THE HOUSE RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY? YES.

THE TAIL PROVED THAT IN AN EFFORT TO SAVE THE LIFE OF YOUR OVER THE PROPERTY LINE MIGHT I RECOMMEND THAT IF THE EAVE NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK THAT WOULD BE 24 INCHES OF A SHIFT BACK BUT I'M BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO GO BACK FIVE FEET AND THAT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER I LEFT THE PRELIMINARY AND HAD MORE DISCUSSION WHAT THE TOWN HAD ALLOWED SO THAT THE HOUSE COULD BE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE LIVE OAK. I MEAN TOUGH FOR YOU ALL I WASN'T THERE FOR THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS BUT I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT GOING A LITTLE CLOSER THAN THE TEN FOOT SETBACK BUT NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

I THINK WE PROBABLY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT FIVE FEET BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THE GOAL AND THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE TEN FEET SIDE SETBACK FOR THIS HOUSE WILL BE A TEN FOOT BUILD TO WHERE THE OTHER HOUSES DOWN THE STREET THERE WOULD BE A PORCH AND SOME STAIRS AND FIVE FEET OF PLANTING IN FRONT OF THOSE HOUSES AND BRING EVERYTHING IN THE LINE.

YOU WOULD BE FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM PROPERTY LINE HERE. WELL THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS AFTER THAT THROUGH EMAILS TO GO TO THE TOWN OFFICIAL THAT HAD APPROVED GETTING CLOSER AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FIND AND I KNOW I'VE PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE BECAUSE I'M ON THE SPOT HERE. DO ABOUT THIS I ASK YOU THIS ABOUT SHIFT FORWARD THE PLAN ALSO GOT QUITE A BIT DEEPER I MEAN THE KITCHEN WAS MUCH NARROWER THAN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN YOU'RE REVIEWING. IT JUST GOT MY RECOLLECTION I DIDN'T HAVE A DIGITAL EXCUSE

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AT 20 FOOT WIDTH IT SEEMS LIKE THE KITCHEN WAS MORE SQUEEZED IN MY RECOLLECTION OF IT.

KNOW SO SO NOT FROM MY PRELIMINARY IN WHAT MAY BE CONFUSING IS I'M NOT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PRELIMINARIES BECAUSE THERE WAS A PERIOD WHERE I WAS ON I WAS NOT BECAUSE WE HAD NOT REALIZED VICE CHAIR WAS NOT PART OF THAT PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

SO FROM MY PRELIMINARY NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT EITHER THE YEAH WE KIND OF THROWN THE ALL I TO THE OTHER THAN I SO I DO WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT CURRENTLY THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE IS NOT SITTING ON THE FIVE FOOT REAR SETBACK BECAUSE ZAAL WANTS TO PUT A CAMPER THERE AND THERE'S A FENCE AND PROPOSED BETWEEN HE AND THE NEIGHBOR HIM SO THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGED FROM THE PRELIMINARY THE THE HOUSE TO IT GOT SHIFTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE CAMPER BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE OTHER THAN I INTRODUCED MORE OF A A LITTLE A SLIGHT H SHAPE A H SHAPE TO INSTEAD OF JUST A YOU BECAUSE THE YOU WASN'T ALLOWING ON THE SEE IF I CAN GET TO IT. I KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. I NEED TO GO THE ELEVATION THAT ALONG GERARD STREET HOW DO I CHANGE THAT? OKAY ALL RIGHT YES SO SEE THE RIGHT ELEVATION BEFORE IT WAS A TOTALLY LIKE A STRAIGHT WALL BECAUSE IT WAS A USED BUILDING BUT I MADE A SLIGHT EDGE SO THAT I COULD POP THE TWO HIPS OUT AND HAVE THE CONNECTOR.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED FROM THE PRELIMINARY.

WE DID DISCUSS MAKING IT ALL HIPS AND DID CHANGE I GUESS OF HOW IN AGREEANCE WITH SOME OF THE AS YES WELL IT CAN'T YOU CAN'T HAVE A IVA OR A CHIMNEY OUTSIDE OF HIS PROPERTY LINE.

YEAH I'M I UNDERSTAND WHY NOT TO SHIP AND I COULD SEE AND SEE YOU PUSH THE CARRIAGE HOME BACK TO IT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A FENCE BACK THERE I'D SOONER GIVE YOU RELIEF OF AT WEST SETBACK THAT TREE IS SUPREME I DID REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR TOOMER AS I KNOW HE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO AND HE ALSO FELT LIKE HE WAS IN AGREEMENT IT WOULD BE A FEAT NOT STRAIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. HE WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR THIS WAS TO THE PROPERTY LINE WHEN I TALKED TO HIM YESTERDAY AND I KNOW HE HE DOES HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS BUT BECAUSE I WAS SOMEWHAT OVER I LOVE THE ONE STORY THANK YOU A LOVED ONE STORY THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO BUT AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A ROAD ONE DAY AND THAT IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND I GOT THAT THROUGH FROM COUNCIL LAST NIGHT SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A ROAD ONE DAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A PAVED ROAD WITH AND WATER GOING DOWN IT WHEN THEY HAVE THE MONEY IT DOES LOOK BIGGER THAN THE PLAN AND THAT WAS CHARLOTTE NOW SO ANOTHER PLAN AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN Y'ALL MOVED IT CLOSER YOU MADE IT BIGGER.

IT REALLY DOES MASTER LOOKS BIGGER AND IT COULD JUST BE MY NOVICE HOUSE AND I BELIEVE YOU WHEN YOU SAY THAT. I JUST THINK YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD AROUND THAT TREE NOT NOT BUILD THE HOUSE AND THE TREES. JUST A SECONDARY THOUGHT. THAT'S A HUGE TREE AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS GOING TO HAVE A WORSE TREE BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS ALL THAT AND PUSH IT BACK AND I'M SORRY ABOUT A CAMPER.

I MEAN I DON'T YOU GOT TO FIT THE HOUSE. WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? GET IT APPROVED AND PUSHING IT BACK AND FIGURE OUT A CAMPER. THE CAMPER REALLY ISN'T MATTER TO US SO MUCH. I THINK I DON'T HOW YOU PUSH BACK WITHOUT HURTING THE TREE WITHOUT MAKING IT LONGER WITHOUT TAKING AWAY THE YOU THE WHY THE BAIT AS OPPOSED TO A YOU BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD OVER THAT LINE AND IT IS GOING TO BE SHOCKING TO THE NEXT TWO THAT COME BEFORE US WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THE STAIRS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE FRONT FACING AND YOUR SIDE FACING THAT SO IT'S COMPACT SO YEAH I NEED TO GET IT OUT SO SHIFTING

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DOES EVERYONE SEE THAT RIGHT HERE? AND IF THE SERVICE YARD GETS GO QUOTE BEYOND THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK CHARLOTTE IT CAN GO WITHIN THREE THREE WE CAN SWAP THE SERVICE AND I COULD START TO PUT THE THE SHED OVER HERE AND I CAN GET THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY AGAIN. I SHOULD LIKE SHIP BOTH BUILDINGS. YEAH BECAUSE WHEN THE CAMERA WAS IN THE MIX I MEAN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WE REVIEWED I REMEMBER THOSE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE HOUSE RELATIONSHIP WAS TIGHT AND IT WAS DIFFERENT RIGHT? THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WAS SHOT IN THE CORNER BUT I FELT LIKE IT KIND OF HELPED TWIST AND TURN LIKE IT COULD BE A LITTLE IF YOU GOT THE RIGHT LANDSCAPE IN THERE WITH A LITTLE THOUGHT IT COULD BE ALL RIGHT KIND OF A LITTLE ENTRY PATH. IT OPENS TOWARDS THE LIVE OAK BUT I MEAN FOR ME THE STEP BACK FROM THE STREETS PRETTY IMPORTANT AND MORE IMPORTANT THAN A GIANT PAVED AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET IS GIVEN TO THOSE THREE FEET DIFFERENCE SO WE HAD TO SHIFT ABOUT IT IS PROPERTY YES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SHIFT IT BACK TWO FEET FOR THE EAVES BUT I THINK I DO I HAVE A SECOND TO CHECK MY EMAILS. IT WAS DARREN FRAZIER THAT WAS ON I MEAN I APPRECIATE IF THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM STAFF THIS BUT I THINK AS A BOARD OF YEAH I MEAN I'M FEELING PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE TO BE TWO MORE HOUSES BEHIND THIS AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE STAIRS THAT CAN'T GO OVER THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SAT AT LEAST FOUR FEET BACK TO HAVE PLANTINGS AND YOU CAN HAVE ZERO SIDE YARD PLANTINGS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST RELY ON THE RIGHT OF WAY TO PROVIDE YOUR BUFFER AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AND SO WE I MET WE MET WITH DAN YESTERDAY AND HE DID TALK ABOUT WHERE THE ROAD BED WOULD BE, WHAT HE NEEDED SEWERS GOING TO GO ON THAT SIDE FROM THE NORTH END WATER'S COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH IN.

HE SEEMED A BIT SHOCKED. IT WAS SO CLOSE HE DIDN'T SEEM TO SAY THAT NOW I THINK HE WOULD HAVE TOLD US THAT WITH THIS COULD YOU PUT THAT STORAGE YARD ON THE ON YOU'RE LOOKING AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO COME ON NOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND IT AT SERVICE OR WHATEVER THAT THAT LITTLE COULDN'T IT ALSO COME OFF THE RIGHT REAR SIDE JUST TO GIVE MORE SPACE WHATEVER VEHICLES MAY COME LATER AND THEN THAT GIVES YOU A LOT ROOM TO MOVE THAT CARRIAGE HOME BACK EVEN IF YOU CAN GO WITHIN THE SETBACK OF FIVE FEET A LITTLE BIT REARRANGE REARRANGE THAT AND PUT IT TO THE RIGHT THERE YOU SEE IT IN A LOT OF GARAGES WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE STORAGE PLACE ON THE LONGER WALLS IT JUST GIVES YOU MORE ROOM AND IF YOU CAN MOVE THAT IN YOU CAN MOVE THAT HOUSE WELL YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE HOUSE BACK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK. YEAH. THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT IS THE CAMPER SEE IT'S A TEARDROP CAMPER. YOU SEEN THEM GO DOWN LIKE THAT

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IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO FIT NICE AND TIGHT AND HIDDEN ON THE GARAGE.

YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO COME OUT A LITTLE TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.

I KNOW. BUT TRYING TO FIND A HOUSE AND CARRIAGE HOUSE AND A CAMPER I MEAN I THINK GOT TO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING BECAUSE THE BIGGEST HURDLE IS THAT THROUGH PARTS OF YOUR HOUSE, NOT ON YOUR LIFE THAT A GIVEN THE DEPTH OF THAT CAN THAT SHRINK DOWN A FOOT AND CAN YOU TAKE A FOOT OUT OF THE HOUSE YOU KNOW THERE'S WE'RE TALKING THREE FEET THERE'S THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO MOVE HERE? THIS CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT SIDE THE THE WHOLE HOUSE? YEAH, THAT'S OVER THIS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE GREEN AND THE BLUE IF THEY WERE TO A STREET STREETS LIKE 22 OR 24 FEET WIDE AND THEN YOU KNOW, IT'S OLD TOWN SO YOU'D WANT SIDEWALKS IF YOU HAD A SIDEWALK THEN YEAH.

AND THAT YOU REALLY WANT A LITTLE GRASS STRIP BETWEEN STREET AND SIDEWALK THEN YOUR SIDEWALK IS AGAINST THE HOUSE WHICH IS WHY IT HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK.

I MEAN IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE BACK? IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION YOU GUYS STEP BACK AND ANSWER OVER THE AS LISA MENTIONED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A PAVED ROAD AND IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. BUT BEFORE CHARLOTTE SAID THAT THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR THE TITLE OF WHO OWNS THAT GHOST ROAD. SO I'M IF I MAY COMMENT ON THE GHOST. RIGHT. SO THE GHOST ROADS ARE FROZEN IN EXISTENCE OR YOU KNOW WELL OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AND THEY HAVE UNCLEAR TITLE BECAUSE THE RECORDS AT THAT TIME WERE DESTROYED WHEN THE COURT HOUSES WERE BURNED DOWN IN THE 1860S SO QUESTIONS ASKED THAT QUESTIONS AS TO THE TITLE AT THE TIME AND THOSE ARE PUBLICLY PUBLICLY ACCEPTED ROADS AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA IT'S THEY'RE GENERALLY DEALT WITH BY TRYING TO GET DEEDS FROM IT AS PROPERTY OWNERS OR THROUGH OTHER YOU KNOW, OTHER AVENUES.

BUT AT THIS POINT TIME AND IT'S BEEN HELD OUT FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES NOW BY BOSTON TOWN COUNCIL THESE ARE PUBLICLY DEDICATED ROADWAYS. THEY ARE PUBLICLY CONSIDERED PUBLICLY OWNED AND THERE'S JUST NOT A RECORD OF TITLE BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL DONE IN 1840S BUT IT'S A MISSION AND I THAT'S WHY I CALLED ME YOUR TUMOR BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAD CHANGED IN A YEAR YOU SAID NOTHING AND THE GOAL OF COUNCIL IS TO OWN THESE ROADS, NOT SELL THEM AND NOT GIVE THEM AWAY AND TO EVENTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE GRID AND ACTUALLY I GOT TO GIVE CREDIT TO MAYOR BECAUSE THIS WAS FOR LOTS THIS USED TO BE FOR LOTS OF PROPERTY AND HE REALLY THOUGHT OUT OF THE BOX TO GET THINK ABOUT DOING IT THIS WAY RATHER THAN WHAT YOU KNOW LIKE FOR PAINTINGS AND SO IF I CAN REMEMBER TO WAS IN THIS I KNOW I CALLED HIM LAST NIGHT TO ASK HIM ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I SHOCKED THAT AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE THOUGHT FIVE FEET BUT HE'S NOT HALF AS MUCH AS WELL. THIS THIS IS WHAT GOT FROM DAN FRAZIER APPROVAL FOR THIS THIS WAS DONE BY THE UTILITIES COMPANY RIGHT.

SOME CIVIL ENGINEER DID THIS AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE I WISH I COULD MAKE IT BIGGER AND THE HOUSES OR THE HOUSES SITTING ON THE PROPERTY AND I KNEW I DID NOT DREAM THIS UP BUT WE THOUGHT THIS IS A LARGER PLACE, JUST A UTILITY EXHIBIT AND THOSE ARE NOT HERE. IT'S JUST RECTANGLES HE DREW BUT NOTHING OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT BESIDES THE GENERAL SHAPE AND ALSO WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING AND THAT DOESN'T DOING THE PROJECT AND IT WAS MORE YOUR EAVES OF YOUR HOUSE IN YOUR AND THAT DOESN'T SHOW ON THAT I THINK YOU'RE BOTH YOUR CORNERS ARE RIGHT AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE BUT YOUR EAVES OF YOUR HOUSE ARE GOING INTO THE EASEMENT AND YOUR CHIMNEY IS GOING IN THE EASEMENT SO HE DREW THE HOUSE ABOVE IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A FRONT PORCH STOOP OR ANYTHING EITHER. SO I THINK WE IT'S NOT A DRAWING THAT'S ABOUT THE HOUSE FOOTPRINT AT ALL. AND THE SECOND SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE THERE MAY BE I GUESS THERE'S ONE QUESTION ABOUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BUT ONE

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THE QUESTION IS WHAT EFFECT IF ANY IS THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THE GHOST ROAD THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THE EDO ADMINISTRATOR SOMEONE IN PLANNING HAS GRANTED EITHER A WAIVER OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO ALLOW THEM BASICALLY A ZERO BLOCK BOND SETBACK ON THIS DESPITE THE EDO SAYING FIVE FEET I WOULD THAT I'M NOT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING BUT I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THE APPLICANT SO I DO THINK IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE LIVE OAK AND IT WAS DEFINITELY DISCUSSION IS IF THE IDEA WAS TO PUSH IT FURTHER AND SAY NOW WE'RE GOING BACK THE OTHER WAY BUT I MEAN THE PACE OF THE ENGINEERING TO GET OKAY SO YES YOU COUPLE THEM LIKE ALL RIGHT PATRICK MASON I THINK THE WHOLE QUARRY IS YOU KNOW AND I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST YOU KNOW AT LEAST BE THE TWO FEET OVER SO THE OVERHANG DOES NOT ENCROACH AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE FEET SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF MOVING THE TOOL SHED TO THE RIGHT LIKE STUCCO SAID AND IF WE DO THAT THEN WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUSH THE GARAGE FURTHER BACK AND.

SO IF WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF ON THAT BACK LINE THEN I THINK WE'RE SET GOT THE FIVE FOOT OFF AND WE JUST NEED MAYBE FOOT OF SOME RELIEF ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE GARAGE AND . WE'RE ALL SET. WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT DISTANCE OF THE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE CARRIAGE. I MEAN THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF CARE AND HOUSES WE'VE HAD THAT WERE BETWEEN 48 INCHES TO FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SO AND DOWN SO THIS WILL MORE THAN THAT SO I THINK THAT KIND OF SOLVES THE PROBLEM AND GETS US FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE MEAN I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO REACT FOR YOU GUYS TO GO BACK AND REACT AND YOU KNOW THE HOUSE DESIGN OR THE SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO BE FIVE FEET OFF OF HEROD WITHOUT IMPINGING THE TREE YEAH I THINK I THINK IF WE MOVE BUT I KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO SEE THAT WE CAN HANDLE THE HOUSE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE I MEAN WHAT'S NOT SHOWING THERE IS OVER TWO FEET. SO THAT'S FOUR FEET.

I MEAN RIGHT NOW THERE'S PROBABLY A FOOT OVERHANGS YEAH. NOT SEEING THAT ON THIS THING AND IT WAS REALLY MOVING TOGETHER YOU CLOSER IF IS THOUGHTFUL AND TIGHT AS ONE THING BUT IF IT JUST KIND OF LIKE WHO GIVES THE ABILITY TO MOVE INTO A SETBACK FURTHER THAN WHAT THE UDOT SAYS CHARLOTTE OR RICHARDSON IS IS GENERALLY THE BORDER ZONING WILL GRANT VARIANCES FROM THE SETBACK STANDARDS THE GENERAL RULE UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE STUDIO THAT GRANTS THE VIDEO ADMINISTRATOR THE ABILITY TO DOES I DON'T REMEMBER THE INTENT YOU YOU HAD A WAIVER DO YOU HAVE A WAIVER FROM HEATHER TO DO YOU HAVE YOU DIDN'T GO TO SEE HEATHER COLLIN THAT'S THAT IS YOU HAD TO ASK MAYBE HEATHER DID HAVE A RESUME IS OUR STUDIO ADMINISTRATOR SO YES THERE'S A PIECE IN THE STUDIO THAT ALLOWS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS IN PART THREE FOR HER TO THE CODE ADMINISTRATOR TO GIVE THEM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD SO CAN JUST CAN WE DISCUSS SHIFTING THE HOUSE HOUSE SO THAT THE EAVES AREN'T OVERHANGING INTO THE PROPERTY LINE AND IF I CAN DIG UP THE INFORMATION FOR CHARLOTTE I KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED BY HEATHER COLLIN THAT I COULD BE AS CLOSE AS HEATHER COLLIN WILL ALLOW TO PROPERTY LOT THAT PROPERTY LINE RUNNING ALONG THE GHOST ROAD WHETHER FIVE FEET OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING HEATHER IS GOING TO ALLOW CLOSER BECAUSE I KNOW SHE DID JUST

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NO ON THE ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THAT WHERE THE ON THE NEIGHBORING LOT THE REAR RIGHT THERE. YEAH OKAY THAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MEAN I'D HAVE TO PUT THE HIP OVER HERE TO GET AN ENTRY ON THAT SIDE OR IT DOES DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COVERED SEE HOW THAT YOU KNOW THE HIPS HIP DORMERS OR OR HIGHER AS WELL YOU'VE GOT THEM ALL HERE YOU HAVE TO SOMETHING. YEAH RIGHT SO AND RIGHT NOW IT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN ON THE OTHER YEAH I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP THAT SIDE OF SO THAT IS NOT EASY ON THE UNLESS HOUSE UNLESS THE STAIRS JUST WENT UP TO AN OPEN DECK THAT JUST DIDN'T HAVE A COVER I DON'T KNOW WE NEED YEAH YOU'D STILL NEED SOMETHING TO POP UP TO GET IN THE DOOR RIGHT BUT YOU AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT MEAN AT THAT POINT YOU COULD DO MAYBE A SHED AND JUST NOT HAVE IT HOW'S THE ROAD FEELING ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE ELEVATION DOESN'T FEEL TOO BUSY DO YOU GUYS I'LL GO BACK TO THIS THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT'S THE BRIDGE IS NOT THAT MUCH EITHER EITHER MY CONCERN SORT OF THE SIDE ON GERARD BEING ABLE TO PUSH THAT CARRIAGE HOME BACK THE ROOF I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ROOF TO GIVE YOU ANY INPUT SO I WOULD NEVER EVEN TRY IT BECAUSE I'M NOT THAT'S NOT I TRUST YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING BUT FINDING OUT WHAT THE WAY IN HEATHER COLIN DO THE YOUDO YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF VARIANCES SO YOU KNOW BUT BELIEVE IN KEEPING THAT TREE RIGHT AND THAT TREE TO ME MORE

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SO I THINK WE BUILD AROUND THE TREE MAKE THE TREE A SECOND THOUGHT.

SO HOW CAN YOU THAT CARRIAGE I'LL MOVE THAT CHAIR SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN MOVE IT BACK.

MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO IN THAT SET BACK. YOU DIDN'T MOVE THAT SHED ON SOME OTHER SIDE THE GARAGE AND MOVE AND HAVE I REALLY AM STUCK ON THE FEET I JUST THINK THE NEXT TWO THAT COME DOWN THE ROAD IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON I MEAN I AGREE I MEAN THERE'S WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IT'S NOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE G THERE'S YOU TAKE SOME FROM THE HOUSE I MEAN IT'S STILL ON THE LOT RIGHT? I MEAN JUST THAT'S THE I MEAN THAT'S AND SHED IN THE BACK AND GET SMALLER YEAH THERE'S WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AT OUR YOU KNOW THE END OF THE WORLD I MEAN IT'S YOU'RE IN THERE YOU'RE GOING TO PULL BUT THREE FEET THAT'S LIKE LEANING TOWARDS A TABLE SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A PROMINENT PROPERTY WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST TREES THAT WE HAVE AND IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PUBLIC PROPERTY AND IT WOULD I DON'T THINK I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT JUST PUTS IT IN STAFF HANDS AND DOESN'T COME BACK FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. I MEAN I AGREE I HAVE SAY THIS I IF WE CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE GROUND AND SITE PLAN PLAN SO YOU FIND IT THIS WAY IT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THREE FEET. SO IF WE JUST MOVE THE STORAGE SHED TO THE RIGHT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROPERTY ANGLES WE HAVE THE DISTANCE THAT WE NEED, WE PUSH BACK THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND WE HAVE THAT EXTRA THREE FEET TO PUSH THE HOUSE OVER. WE HAVE THE FIVE FEET WE'RE ALL SET AND I MEAN IT'S SIMPLE BUT WE KEEP IT SIMPLE. IT'S EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE ON TOP.

I MEAN IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REDRAWN. OKAY I MEAN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED WITH A GIGANTIC TREE ON IT AND TEN FOOT SETBACK THAT SO I MEAN YOU KNOW YOU COULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 10TH OF THAT BACK SO YOU KNOW I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THINK ABOUT BEING FIVE FEET OFF AND HOW YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE TREE AND IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO ADJUST WHEN YOU'RE FIVE FEET OFF AND REPOSITION THE GARAGE BELT OF THE HOUSE IN IN BUT IN THE MEANTIME IF I DO GET CLEAR IF I DO GET FROM HEATHER THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO GO THAN THE FIVE FEET THEN I DON'T SEE WHERE THE BOARD HAVE IT IF IF HEATHER COMES BACK AND SAYS WE HAVE IF I COULD FIND THE WRITING THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO BE CLOSER TO THE ELBOW AN OPEN ROAD THEN THAT WOULD BE THE SETBACK. I'M SURPRISED WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE PACKET AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ON YOU KNOW EITHER WROTE YOU A WAIVER LETTER I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT IN THE PACKET TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND THEN WOULDN'T GO AGAINST THE STUDIO ADMINISTRATOR. AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? YOU'RE RIGHT, YES MA'AM. RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE SO WHERE DO WE WANT I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR YEAH WE'RE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT .

I'M OKAY. THERE WAS AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT IN THE PACKAGE.

IS EVERYTHING ON HERE, CHARLOTTE? NOT THIS BUT HOW MUCH REAL AND THE IS PROBABLY IN NARRATIVE HERE NARRATIVE APPLICATION NARRATIVE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT I'VE GOT THE DRAWINGS OH YOU CAN MOVE THAT OVER YOU GOT TO IT'S NOT TOUCH JUST GET UP HERE AND SLOTTED OVER AND YOU GET TO SEE THE YOU KNOW IT'S DOWN TOWARD WHAT IT IS AT ALL DONE LET'S GO BACK. YEAH, YEAH I'M NOT SEEING IT IN THE PACKET. WELL THERE'S YOUR NARRATIVE THERE'S PLAT THE APPLICATION

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SO BUT AGAIN IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO TABLE THIS OR ELSE AND I'M JUST ASKING FOR FEEDBACK ON IF I CAN GET YOU ALL THE LETTER FROM I THINK IF WE I THINK IF WE GATHER AND SHE SAYS YES I WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO UP TO TWO FEET AND THAT'S THAT'S UP TO HER I KNOW THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HER TO SAY THE LOT.

YEAH I THINK WE WOULD STILL APPRECIATE LIKE SEE IF YOU CAN PULL A FOOT OUT OF IT OR TWO FEET OUT OF THE MASTER OKAY YOU KNOW SOMETHING JUST TO SHOW IN GOOD FAITH THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DIMENSION BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE TREE. OKAY.

AND THINK EVERYBODY WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER AWAY SO FOR PUSHING BACK TOWARDS I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME YEAH SOME STUDY IN THAT ARCHITECTURAL ARE THERE ANY HOUSE WAS GREAT OTHER THAN WHAT I OR ANYTHING MARKED UP IS THERE ANY ISSUE I NEED TO RESOLVE BEFORE WE SINCE WE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO ALL THAT I THINK WHAT YOU DID WAS FABULOUS THANK YOU YOU'RE A FABULOUS ARCHITECT BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GO BY WHAT WE'RE GIVEN IN OUR PACKET AND IF HEATHER GAVE THAT AS THE PSEUDO ADMINISTRATOR AND SAY IT DID THAT STILL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE EVEN THE CHIMNEY YOU KNOW RIGHT RIGHT AND THAT'S PART THE HOUSE SO SHE MIGHT SAY IT RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE SHE MIGHT BUT YOU STILL GOT TO PUSH IT BACK RIGHT TO COVER THAT. BUT I THINK WORK IS ALWAYS ON TARGET BUT.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAYBE SIT DOWN WITH THE OWNER IN THE TO SEE WE KNOW WHERE YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK ON THAT LOT OUR LOTS ARE NOT BIG FIVE ACRE LOT YOU KNOW IT'S A SMALL LOT ON A STREET THAT IS TO BE PAVED ONE DAY. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T REWORK THE SITE PLAN AND COME BACK AND YOU ALL HAD AN ISSUE ARCHITECT YEAH. NO, I GET IT. I MEAN OH THESE ARE JUST AN EYESORE. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE FLAT ANIMALS THE DOOR SO YOU'LL THEM IF WE GET CLARITY ON I THINK THE ARCHITECTURE OVERALL I THINK IT'S COME A LONG WAY I THINK I WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DORMERS ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE I LEAN THAT IT'S GOT A LOT GOING ON BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO I THINK IT'S NOT TOO BUSY BECAUSE YOU SORT OF NEED THE DORMERS IN ORDER TO KEEP THE OVERALL HEIGHT DOWN.

MAYBE YOU GUYS WERE LEANING THAT WAY AS WELL SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE IN GENERAL YOU SAY IT'S MORE INFORMATION RIGHT OR YEAH AND ANY ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT WAS IN THE CARDS AND YOUR STAFF YES. COMMENTS THAT WAS NOT SCOTTSDALE. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR QUESTION TO IT? DO YOU HAVE ANY MR. ZELLE DID FIND THE COMMUNICATION FROM OH YEAH SHE JUST SAID SHE'S AGREEABLE TO AND SHE SENT THAT OFF TO DAN APPARENTLY SO I MEAN IT WAS IT WAS THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM THE AREA ADMINISTRATOR SAYING SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER A WAIVER BASED ON PRESERVATION OF THE TREE BUT IT WAS GOING TO BE CONTINGENT UPON VITAL SUBMITTALS AND LOOKING AT THE PLANS SHE WANTS TO SEE WITH THE UTILITIES AND SEE WHERE THE UTILITIES RAN. SO OBVIOUSLY IN SPEAKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST RECOMMENDED THAT HE AND APPLICANT WITH STAFF TO GET SOMETHING MORE DEFINITIVE FOR YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO YOU NEXT SO TO WORK THAT'S VERY OKAY OKAY ALL RIGHT QUICK TABLE WE CAN BACK QUICKLY THE THING IF IT&-PO

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SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT AT YOUR YOUR SCHEDULE AS LONG AS IT GETS TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING WAS TODAY CONSIDERING SEE ARCHITECTS IN EUROPE I'M TRYING TO BE CALM YOU DON'T YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS OVER TWO AND HALF YEARS TWO AND A HALF YEARS BACK AND FOUR SIDEWAYS THIS WAY WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE PUSHED. I GOT A FIANCEE THAT LEFT RICHMOND HILL AND SAVANNAH TOOK A JOB IN BOSTON AND NOW SHE'S DRIVING IN OUR BACK AND FORTH.

WE WERE SUPPOSED HAVE THIS HOUSE DONE AT LEAST A YEAR AGO NOW SO THAT'S GOING TO GET PUSHED BACK EVEN MORE. I MEAN I CAN EXPLAIN HOW FRUSTRATED I AM.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T DO WHAT PATRICK JUST SAID. MOVE THE HOUSE.

TAKE THAT LITTLE CORNER PUSH THAT BACK. IT'S NOT ENCROACHING ON ANYTHING BECAUSE IT JUST TOOK I'M THINKING THROUGH IF WE VOTED WITH CONDITIONS YOU'VE HEARD TOO OF COMMISSION SAYING THEY'D WANT TO SEE IT AND STILL HAVE TO COME BACK I MEAN YOU'D STILL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK IF WE VOTED TONIGHT ON CONDITIONS ON JUST WHAT YOUR BUILDER SAID IT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK. I MEAN I HEARD WELL IT COULD JUST BE APPROVED AT THIS LEVEL IF YOU APPROVE IT WITH CONDITION THEN CHARLOTTE IS THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GETS APPROVED BUT THOSE CONDITIONS CHARLOTTE'S ABLE TO REVIEW IT BUT I BELIEVE WHAT WAS SAID THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE REVIEW WANTING TO SEE LIGHT THAT'S THE DEMOCRAT THE TWO MEMBERS ARE SAYING THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT JUST BEING APPROVED ON A STAFF LEVEL SO WE CAN TAKE A VOTE IF YOU'D LIKE IS IS THERE A WAY THAT SHE CAN MAKE THOSE LOANS OF THE IS THE THE THE HOUSE AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND IF THAT'S BROUGHT IN LIKE IN A WEEK AND BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER THIS IS A WAY IT CAN BE PROVED THAT THE RIGHT QUESTION FOR STAFF NO. YEAH SHE JUST SAID TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE FOR SEPTEMBER THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU THAT IT'S APPROVED LAST YEAR SO YES I WAS SCHEDULED IT'S ALREADY YEAH I ABOUT HPR SEE YEAH OH NO OUR FAULT IT'S COMFORTABLE YOU'D REPRESENT I'M I'M TRYING TO FIND A MEDIUM I GET IT I JUST SAW TONIGHT SO I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH AND I'M SORRY IT AND I SEE REALLY SMALL PLANES LAST MONTH I THINK HMRC SAW PLANS LAST LAST LIKE A MONTH AND A HALF AGO WE HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING RIGHT WRONG AND I NEED TO COME BACK. THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE UTILITIES THOUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S MEAN THERE WAS A HEATHER SAID SHE MIGHT BE OPEN TO IT IF SHE SEES WHAT THE UTILITIES ARE AND THAT'S INSTALLED SO THAT WHETHER IT'S THE UTILITY PLANS THAT YOU GOT THAT THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF LONG AGO OR AGAIN WE HAVE THE PERMITS FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE UTILITIES ARE READY AND THEY ACCESS AND THAT'S ALL BEEN DONE.

YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH HPR SHE THEN WE CAN MEET AT THAT LEVEL.

YEAH WE'LL THAT YES YEAH NO I AGREE I WOULD LIKE YOU TO APPROVE IT BASED ON IT BEING REDRAWN. OKAY THEN OKAY SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO

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SO YOU ARE THE YOU'VE GOT THE FOUR DETERMINATIONS NEED TO BE NEED TO BE MADE THEN LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS THERE'S THERE'S NOT AN AVENUE YES. SOME OF THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH BUT THAT REALLY. Q I MEAN I WOULD ADD THAT THERE BE BRIDGE BUILDINGS TO WE CAN MAKE A SECOND MOTION. SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU DO A ENDED LED THAT WE ARE JUST THAT MOTION DATA FOR LACK OF A SAY START BY DEALING WITH THE DETERMINATIONS A MOTION THAT THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS ARE APPROVED YOU KNOW YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THE EMOTION WAS STAFF CONDITIONS AND TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THE FOOTINGS AS THINK COMMISSIONER YEAH ALL MENTIONED AND THEN THAT THE REDESIGN PLANS GO TO HPC FULL DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL AS TO THE SIZE SCOPE AND IMPACT ON THE TREE AND ENSURING IT'S NOT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. OKAY I CAN I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT WHEN IT COMES DOWN. OKAY SO IF YOU I WANT TO START WITH MOTION NUMBER ONE.

YEAH WELL I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON THE DETERMINATIONS OF 1 TO 6 BRIDGE STREET INCLUDE THE LOCATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IN RELATION TO THE MAIN HOUSE THE HEIGHT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THE ROOFLINE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE LACK OF WINDOWS AND A SEPARATION OF THE FRONT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE. OH IT GOT STRUCK THROUGH.

IT DID. YEAH. AND IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE DETERMINATIONS A SECOND DISCUSSION AND ARE THESE ON SPEAK ON FAVOR I BE OPPOSED OKAY DETERMINATIONS ARE PASSED SORRY I GET TIRED AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH AS SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND AS UPDATED WITH THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THE ADDITIONS TO ADD RED BRIDGE FOOTINGS AND THAT THE APPLICATION AND THE PLANS BE BROUGHT TO PRC FULL AND FINAL APPROVAL OR DISCRETION AS TO SETBACKS HOW SIZE AND SCALE AND MASSING AND ON THE TREE I THINK THE MOTION TO SAY THAT YES YOU FEEL SO MOVED OKAY I ALL IN FAVOR I AM OPPOSED OKAY ADMISSION AS BEST YOU TAKE THE LAST NIGHT I'M NOT I GET YEAH PRETTY QUICKLY WE HAD THREE SITE FEATURE PERMITS THEY ARE LISTED HERE THE CHURCH I DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THEM AND ALL WE HAVE FOR THE SAME QUESTIONS ALL WITH THE PERMISSION TO ADJOURN WELL SECOND AND I THANK Y

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