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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY.
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
FOR THE JUNE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING.BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DO WANNA WELCOME OUR NEWEST MEMBER TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
MS. LISA SOKA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
UH, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN EVAN GOODWIN.
COMMISSIONER DEBBIE WONDER HERE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
ADJOURNMENT.THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE.
THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE.
9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, OR A SPECIAL MEETING DATE IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES, UH, AS WRITTEN.EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A.
WE ALSO HAVE THE SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES, WHICH WILL DO THE SAME.
UH, ANY AGAINST THEN THE MEETING MINUTES? UH, THE SPECIAL MEETING ARE APPROVED.
[V. PUBLIC COMMENT]
PUBLIC COMMENT? YES.I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT I WAS COMING UP HERE ABOUT 10 MINUTES AGO, SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? OH, SORRY.
UM, WE HAVE JUST LEARNED, UM, THIS WEEK THAT THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING BUILT, UH, NEXT TO US ON 71 BRIDGE, UM, WE LOOKED UP THE PLANS ONLINE AND SAW THAT THE ENTRANCE IS NOW OFF OF OUR SHARED DRIVEWAY, WHICH WITH MY IN-LAWS HAVE ENJOYED THAT PRIVATE DRIVE, SEMI-PRIVATE DRIVE FOR 45 YEARS NOW.
AND WE, WE LITERALLY JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT BY LOOKING IT UP ONLINE WITH NO CALL, NO ASK, NO COURTESY OF, HEY, WE'RE COMING NEXT DOOR AND WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE SHARED DRIVEWAY AND BUILDING A, A BIG BRICK WALL THERE.
SO I JUST, UM, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
WHERE IS THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE GONNA BE WHEN THAT HOUSE IS BUILT? HOPEFULLY IT'S OFF OF BRIDGE STREET AND MAYBE PARKING AT THE SARAH HOOKS RILEY PROPERTY.
UM, THE WAY THE DR, IT'S A SINGLE LANE DRIVEWAY, UM, IT CONNECTS RIGHT TO MY IN-LAW'S HOME, AND THEN OUR HOME IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, WE ARE, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, DELIVERIES, UH, PEOPLE, GUESTS WANTING TO COME ONTO THE GUO PROPERTY AS A THROUGHWAY.
UM, IT'S, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBABLY BASICALLY GONNA FORCE US TO HAVE TO CREATE A GATE AND BUILD A, A GATE, WHICH IS GONNA BE A LOT.
UM, SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON RECORD, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LISTEN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS? THEN? WE ARE ONTO TO NEW BUSINESS.
ALRIGHT, UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'M KEVIN EKER, DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
UM, UH, THE PERFECT STORM HAPPENED WHERE ALL MY STAFF ARE AWAY AT CONFERENCES, SO YOU HAVE ME ALL NIGHT TO DO ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS.
OUR GOAL IS, UH, AS I SAID, IS TO GET, UH, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET ALL OF THESE, UM, UH, APPLICATIONS THROUGH BEFORE THE
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NINE 30, UH, CUTOFF.UM, IF, IF IT GETS CLOSE, UH, WE CAN DISCUSS AT THAT TIME TO SEE IF, UH, HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UM, AND MS. GUCCIO, WHEREVER YOU ARE, I WILL, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU.
[VII.1. 82 Pritchard Street: A request by Keith Martelli (Martelli Architects), on behalf of the Owners, Mark and Kim Driscoll, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to alter an existing 2-story garage (Carriage House) of approximately 1198 square feet located at 82 Pritchard Street, in Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD District. (COFA-02-25-019576) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS FOR 82 PRITCHARD STREET.UH, THIS IS THE APPLICANT, UH, KEITH ELLI, WHO'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE DRISCOLL, UH, OWNERS AT, UH, 82 PRITCHARD.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO RENOVATE THEIR TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1200 SQUARE FEET IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE.
UH, IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
UH, THAT'S THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE THE EXISTING CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, IT'S A TWO CAR, UH, GARAGE.
UH, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, THESE ARE ALL IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AGAIN, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHAT THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE.
CHANGING THIS TO A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A DOOR ON THE FRONT, AS WELL AS DOORS AND, UH, NEW WINDOWS ON THE REAR.
AGAIN, EXISTING CONDITIONS HERE.
SO WHAT THIS IS, UH, FROM THE STREET VIEW AS WELL AS FOR THE MC COVE VIEW, UH, NEW WINDOWS ARE BEING INSTALLED.
UM, A NEW CONFIGURATION FOR THE STAIRWELL AT THE REAR.
UM, THERE IS A INTERNAL, UH, CIRCULAR STAIRWELL, UH, AS WELL AS THE EXTERNAL, UM, STAIRWELL OR, OR THE, UH, STEPS, UH, BATHROOM AND, UH, BEDROOM DOWNSTAIRS, AS WELL AS A LOFT.
UM, AND KITCHEN AREA UPSTAIRS.
UH, THERE ARE THE FOUR REVIEW CRITERIA, UH, WHICH YOU USE IN ASSESSING THIS.
UH, SPECIFICALLY WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UH, AND THAT'S IN THE CONDITIONS WHICH STAFF HAS HERE.
UH, IT'S JUST, UM, TO PROVIDE WINDOW MATERIALS AND OPERATIONS, UH, THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE SECTIONS LISTED.
UH, PROVIDE THE DOOR MATERIAL, UH, FOR THE ENTRY DOOR IN THE FRENCH DOORS.
UM, UH, PROVIDE THE STAIRWELL RAILING DETAIL, UM, AS, UH, FOR THE UDO SECTION LISTED.
UH, AND IT SAYS, SHOW THE EXPOSED, UH, PATIO FOUNDATION WITH THE BRICK VENEER, UM, AND THE BOND PATTERN TO MATCH THE FOUNDATION OF THE MAIN RESIDENCE.
SO WITH THAT, YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, APPROVED WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, OR TO DENY THE REQUEST.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, I DO HAVE A, UH, MOTION, UM, IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND THE APPLICANT HERE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANTS HEARING? NONE.
ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M TRYING TO HIT THE BUTTON AND IT IS NOT WORKING.
OH, I MEAN, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
SORRY, LEMME GET BACK TO THIS.
I SAY A LOT, BUT, UM, I GUESS I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS JUST TO ADDRESS THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED HERE.
UM, THE, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THE WINDOW AND DOOR MATERIALS? SO COME UP TO MUCH.
UH, WE WERE, I SENT THEM TO CHARLOTTE.
WE'RE USING ELEVATE MARVIN WINDOWS.
THEY'RE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, UH, WITH THE FX MATERIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING ON THE HOUSE THAT TH THAT IS THERE AND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
SO I PROVIDED HER THOSE, UH, SPECS THAT SHE ASKED ME FOR, FOR THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS, AND THE GARAGE DOOR.
FOUND THE OTHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MEETING THOSE, THE PATIO FOUNDATION OR THE STEERING? NO.
WHILE THOSE ITEMS MAY HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY STAFF, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO COMPLETELY REVIEW 'EM.
UM, SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS IF YOU JUST MAKE, UM, THOSE ITEMS STILL AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ADDRESSED.
UM, UM, AS PART OF THAT RESUBMITTAL, I WILL MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE COFA WITH, UH, APPLICATION WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS, UH, LISTED IN THEIR REPORT ONE THROUGH FOUR.
[VII.2. 32 Tabby Shell : A request by Drew Vann (Palmetto Star Construction), on behalf of owner, Scott Ready, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow the construction of a new 2-story Carriage House of approximately 1,162 enclosed square feet at 32 Tabby Shell Road (Lot 17) in the Tabby Roads Development. The property is zoned Neighborhood General-HD (NG-HD) and is in Old Town Bluffton Historic District. (COFA-03-25- 019654) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
COFA FOR 32 TABBY SHALL.UH, SO WE'RE HERE FOR, UH, 32 TABBY SHELL.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, DREW VAUGHN WITH PALMETTO, UH, STAR CONSTRUCTION, UH, HAS SUBMITTED A REQUEST.
AND THIS IS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF SIX, UH, 643 SQUARE FEET AT 32 TAVI SHELL.
AND THAT'S IN THE, UH, TAVI SHELL DEVELOPMENT.
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AND IT'S ALSO ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP HERE WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO BURNT CHURCH, UH, ROAD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, SOME PHOTOS OF THE REAR.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS EXISTING.
UH, AND THERE'S JUST THE ADDITION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED WITH THIS.
I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PINE TREES.
UM, UH, AGAIN, FROM A REAL REAR ELEVATION, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING IN RELATION TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
AGAIN, I'M GOING THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
UM, THE DOUBLE GARAGE, UH, FOR THE REVIEW CRITERIA, IT'S THE FOUR REVIEW CRITERIA WE HAVE LISTED SPECIFICALLY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UM, AND THAT'S WE'LL, UH, TO, UH, GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT, UM, THAT NEED SOME, UM, A REVIEW AND CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.
UH, SO NUMBER ONE IS THE SERVICE YARD MUST BE RELOCATED FROM UNDERNEATH THE STAIRS AND SCREEN AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE SECTION.
UH, SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS OUR BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, FLAGGING A LOT OF THESE WHERE, UH, UH, AIR COMPRESSORS, UH, THE CONDENSERS ARE BEING PLACED UNDER THE STAIRWELL, UH, WHICH PER BUILDING CODE IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CATCH THESE ON THE FRONT END, UH, JUST SO THAT WAY THEY CAN MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THEM FROM UNDER THE STAIRWELL AND PUT 'EM IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE.
UM, PROVIDE THE MATERIAL, UH, TO BE USED ON THE HORIZONTAL BOARDS UNDERNEATH THE, UH, STAIRCASE THAT ARE COMPLIANT WITH THE CONFIGURATION REQUIREMENTS OF THE TAVI ROADS.
FINAL STAIR DESIGN TO BE DETERMINED ON SITE.
UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED IN THIS TIME FRAME, NOT ON SITE, UM, THAT THE EXPOSED FOUNDATION MUST MATCH THE TAVI SHELL THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, THE ENTRY DOORS FROM FIBER, UH, FIBERGLASS TO WOOD, UH, METAL OR METAL CLAD, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE UDO SECTIONS.
UPDATE THE WINDOW SCHEDULE TO INDICATE THAT, UH, VINYL WINDOWS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UH, PROVIDE THE SOFFIT CONFIGURATION TO BE BEADED OR, UH, VG GROOVE TONGUE.
UH, REVISE THE ROOF OVERHANG TO 18 INCHES IN THE FREEZE BOARD TO TWO BY 10 TRIM.
UH, SHOW THE MINIMUM 75% TREE CANOPY.
UM, SUBMIT THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THAT'S A STANDARD, UH, UH, ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON HERE.
AND THEN THE FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE TABBY ROADS, HARB.
UH, WITH THAT, UM, YOU CAN, YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, AS YOU REQUEST, UM, I DO HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF FIRST? IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT OR ANSWER QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO HERE AS WELL? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CONDITIONS, KEVIN? SURE.
IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME, DREW VAN, AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, OR IF NOT, WE CAN JUST ASK.
YEAH, I CAN TALK TO ANY OF 'EM.
SO WITH NUMBER ONE, THE SERVICE YARD, WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.
SO THE ACTUAL AIR AIR CONDITIONER IS GONNA BE MAYBE TWO FOOT BY ONE FOOT BY 18 INCHES.
WE'VE PROPOSED TO JUST PUSH IT FURTHER UP THE HOUSE, BUT IN THE SAME, ON THE SAME SIDE, WITHIN THE SAME SETBACK.
AND WE'LL SCREEN IT AS NEEDED AS WELL, BUT OUTSIDE FROM UNDERNEATH THE CHAIR.
UM, THE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH NUMBER TWO.
UM, THE, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN CHANGE.
SO JUST ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IS THE, UH, THE STAIR DESIGN THAT WAS SHOWN, THE ONE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE BUILT? YES.
YEAH, WE REDREW THE STAIR DESIGN.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ARCHITECT AT THE MOMENT, SO WE JUST COULDN'T REMOVE OFF THAT PART.
BUT WE CAN, UH, USE WHITE OUT AND THEN RE-SCAN IT IN.
SO WE'LL, STAFF WILL REVIEW THAT.
WE'LL ALSO, WE'LL ALSO REVIEW AT THAT TIME OF BUILDING PERMITS.
AND DO YOU, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WERE INTENDING FOR THE SOFFIT? OH, WE WERE GONNA DO V GROOVE.
UM, FOR TREE REMOVALS IS EVERYTHING, IS THERE ANY LIVE OAKS THAT ARE GONNA BE, THERE ARE NOT JUST PINES.
UM, I, I, I'VE GONE BY ALL THESE SITES THIS WEEK, UM, AND I'M GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE, I'M GONNA SAY THIS TO 'CAUSE MORE, A LOT OF THESE HAVE MORE THAN EIGHT CONDITIONS, AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ALL THE BUILDERS OR WHOEVER'S THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION UP FRONT BECAUSE IT PUTS A LOT OF STRAIN ON STAFF AND IT KEEPS PRO, POSSIBLY TWO OTHER APPLICATIONS NOT TO BE HEARD BECAUSE OF IT.
SO FUTURE, JUST TRY TO GET IT DOWN TO THE FIRST APPLICANT, FOUR OR FIVE.
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IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT FIRST.HONESTLY, HALF OF THESE I HAD NEVER SEEN UNTIL TONIGHT.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THE LAST ONE TO HEAR THAT FROM ME.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, CAN WE, DO WE HAVE THE BRACKET DETAIL IN THERE? UM, I WAS, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT PULLED UP RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT I CAN GET TO IT IF YOU GIMME ONE SECOND.
UM, THAT WOULD BE UNDER PLANS.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND I, I THINK THE DIAGONAL IS TOO FAR IN.
PUT FOUR INCHES AND FOUR INCHES INSTEAD OF ONE FOOT.
MAKE THAT FOUR INCHES AND FOUR INCHES.
AND THAT WOULD GET MORE JAR, CLEANER THE BEAM AND LOOK CORRECT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION, TIM? UM, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
CAN WE GO TO THE YEAH, WELL THERE'S NOT MUCH TO THE MOTION RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LEAVING IT ON THE CONDITIONS HERE.
SO, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, YOU CAN JUST, UH, YOU CAN, UH, LIST, UH, UH, CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH 11 AND TO ADD THE CONDITION OF THE BRACKET, DETAIL, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, ONE THROUGH 11, STAFF, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN ALSO MOVE THE BRACKET OUT.
SO IT'S FOUR INCHES, FOUR EXPOSURE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, MOTION IS PASSED AS STATED.
[VII.3. 68 Pritchard Street: A request by Tony and Alyssa Pressley, Applicants and Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 2-story Carriage House of approximately 800 SF at 68 Pritchard Street in OId Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-05-24-019155) (Staff – Charlotte Moore)]
ITEM UP KOFA 4 68 PRICHARD STREET.UH, WE ARE HERE FOR, UM, THIS IS 68 PRITCHARD STREET.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S IAN ALYSSA PRESLEY.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED GARAGE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 800 SQUARE FEET AT 68, UH, PRICHARD STREET RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM HERE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THESE ARE SOME JUST IMAGES OF THE AREA.
THE GRAVELED AREA WHERE THE, UM, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE IS BEING PROPOSED.
UH, THIS IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ITSELF.
THE REAR, UM, ELEVATION, UH, RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, IS ACTUALLY, UM, WHAT WOULD BE FACING OUT TOWARDS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UH, SO THE, THE, THE FRONT GARAGE ELEVATION, THE HOUSE, UM, WOULD BE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF THIS, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING ELEVATION.
UM, I WANTED, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, GIVEN THE, UH, THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, LOOKS LIKE.
SO I, I KIND OF PUT ON THERE THAT THE, THE HEIGHT OF IT IS AT 33 FEET.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE SIDE ELEVATION.
UM, AND THEN I, WHILE THIS IS NOT TO SCALE, I DID TRY TO GET IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE AS TO THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE.
SO CARRIAGE HOUSE IS AT 24 FEET IN THE HEIGHT.
SO FROM THE REVIEW CRITERIA, WE HAVE THEM ALL LISTED HERE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UM, IS THE SERVICE YARD, UH, TO BE RELOCATED FROM UNDERNEATH THE STAIR.
AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, TRYING TO CATCH.
UM, THAT THE EXPOSED FOUNDATION WILL MATCH THE TAVI SHELL, UM, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, THAT WOULD PROVIDE, UH, DOOR AND WINDOW, UH, SCHEDULE FOR THE PLANS.
UH, THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF SHOULD BE GALVANIZED TO, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, JUST, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LABELED.
IDENTIFY THE CORNER BOARD MATERIAL PROVIDES THE WATER TABLE AS WELL AS THE DRIP CAP TO THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UH, PROVIDE BRACKET DETAILS INCLUDING DIMENSIONS AND MATERIALS SHOW THE 75% TREE CANOPY.
AND, UM, THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE OVER, UH, 14 INCHES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
UH, IF IT'S IT, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS REMOVED OR NOT.
UM, BUT ON THE PLANS IT DOES CALL FOR THE REMOVAL OF A LAUREL.
WE BELIEVE IT'S A LAUREL OAK THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET, OR EXCUSE ME, 30, UH, 30 INCH IN DIAMETER.
UH, WITH THAT YOU CAN APPROVE, UM, AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE REQUEST.
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HAPPY TO, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THEN GO BACK TO THOSE CONDITIONS AS WELL.DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FIRST? JUST A CLARIFICATION.
DID YOU SAY THE 30 INCH IS GOING TO BE REMOVED OR IT IS NOT GONNA BE REMOVED, IS IT'S, IS, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, THE STAIRS TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, IS THAT, IS IT, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE, IS IT ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR IS, IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE THERE? I APOLOGIZE.
I DID NOT, FOR SOME REASON, I FORGOT TO PUT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN ON THERE.
GIMME ONE SECOND HERE AND WE'LL PULL THAT UP.
OR IS THAT, IS THAT AN ELEVATION? I I THINK THAT'S, THEY'RE FIVE FEET OFF.
IT'S FIVE FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SO THAT, THAT LAUREL OAK WAS APPROVED TO BE REMOVED IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE PLANS? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, I, I, I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY SHOWED ON THERE, BUT, UM, ALRIGHT.
SO I'LL LET, I'LL LET HIM, I'LL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT PORTION OF IT, UM, AND THEN, UM, WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UM, THE APPLE LIKE TO COME UP.
CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE CONDITIONS? YEAH, YEAH, SURE THING HERE.
OUR NAME ATTORNEY PRESSLEY? YES.
UM, SO THAT TREE WAS REMOVED DURING, LIKE, IT WAS REMOVED DURING MATTHEW'S.
SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID STUFF, SO IT, IT, WE, IT WAS SNAPPED IN HALF WHEN WE CAN'T REALLY KEEP IT NOW, WE NOW, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, IF YOU, ON YOUR OTHER TREE, THERE'S ANOTHER TREE THAT IS A SMALL ORAL OAK TO THE LEFT WHERE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PRESERVE THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO KIND OF BUILD AROUND IT.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE STEPS ARE KIND OF TIGHT.
SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, AND WE HAD A, UM, ORAL OAT THAT IS, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE LEFT BACK OR BACK RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE FACING FROM THE, FROM THE ROAD TO THE HOUSE.
BACKSIDE WAS ALSO DAMAGED DURING IRMA.
SO I MEAN, LIKE, THERE'S A, IT WAS EITHER THAT OR I KILL MY KIDS, I GET IT DONE.
UM, AS FAR AS WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE, WE'RE GONNA MATCH THE SAME EXISTING, WE'LL USE PELLA AS WELL.
I KNOW YOU ANYONE HAVE THE QUESTION REGARDING BRACKETS? I CAN BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE IF THERE'S A QUESTION ON THAT.
SO IT'S JUST ON THE COMMENTS, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
BECAUSE IT'S SAYING PROVIDE THE BRACKET DETAILS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? I DON'T HAVE THE BRACKET DETAILS, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT IT'LL MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WE HAVE OUT FRONT EXISTING.
ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE SERVICE YARD BEING RELOCATED? ABSOLUTELY NONE.
I, WE AND HONESTLY, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT, MY WIFE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT.
LIKE, THERE WERE SO, SO PAUL AND GEMMA ON, UM, UH, 68
THAT'S WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WENT.
IT'S A, IT IS A NEWER ENFORCEMENT THING, SO EVERYBODY'S GETTING USED TO IT.
LIKE I, THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
YOU HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHERE THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT NOW? I CAN PROBABLY PUT IT RIGHT BEHIND THE STEPS.
AND IF I NEED TO PUSH AND IF I NEED TO MOVE THE HOUSE FORWARD OFF FIVE FEET PROPERTY SET TO MAKE THAT, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A, THAT'D BE A 10 FOOT.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS PUSH IT FORWARD.
IT'S, I CAN DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.
ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, CAN WE LOOK AT THE ELEVATION WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE? YEP.
UM, UH, ONE THING IS, IT SEEMS PRETTY TALL IN THE FRONT.
I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU GUYS LOOK AT PUTTING A ROOF OVER THE GARAGE DOORS TO MATCH OR WRAP THE, THAT BRACKET DETAIL ROUND? IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, I COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A, IS THIS VERY TALL? EITHER THAT OR I THINK A MINIMUM THAT THERE'S A BAND AT THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE HOUSE.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT GO AROUND.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, IS THAT IN REALITY? DO YOU HAVE A BAND THERE ON THE, WHAT, WHAT PART OF, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE HOUSE, I MEAN THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE'S, NOW THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THAT'S NOT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
BUT SEE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND, YEAH.
OH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY DO THE BAND.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS SAY? ARE THERE ANY YEAH.
OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I LIKE THAT IDEA.
THE BAND BOARD OR THE BRACK OR THE ROOF
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BAND BOARD.NICE WAY TO TREAT IT WITHOUT HAVING, JUST TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO IF WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE CONDITIONS OF SOMEONE, SO THE ONLY THAT'S FINE.
'CAUSE THE LIGHTS HAVE PICKED OUT.
I CAN, I CAN WORK AROUND THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TIM? NO, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
YOU DIDN'T SEE IT ORIGINALLY WITH THE HOUSE, SO I WAS AFRAID IT WAS TOO TALL.
BUT I COULD SEE THAT IT'S ALMOST, YEAH.
THAT ALSO ACTUALLY HELPED WITH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS ABOUT THE, THE WINDOW PANE PROPORTIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE SORT OF VERTICAL PROPORTION ON SOME OF 'EM, BUT SHORTER ON THE OTHERS.
BUT IT'S THE SAME AS THE MAIN HOUSE, SO I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
CAN I ASK YOU ALL A QUESTION? MM-HMM
UM, SO I HAVE TO HAVE, SO IT'S A 30 INCH REVEAL, OBVIOUSLY ON THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY LESS THAN A SIXTH INCH REVEAL, MAYBE LESS.
YOU STILL WANT THAT TAB, WHICH I DON'T SIX ONE WAY HALF DOZEN THE OTHER TO ME.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, WE DO HAVE TO INCLUDE IT AS JUST, THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TREES.
COMMISSIONER SOKO, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, YOU HAD, UH, IN THE PATE CUT SHEETS, YOU SUBMITTED, YOU CIRCLED THE WINDOW GRIDS AND IT, IT WAS LIKE A FOUR LIGHT OVER A DIVIDED, SO IT WAS FOUR PANELS OVER TWO.
ARE YOU TRYING TO USE THAT WINDOW GRID PATTERN OR THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE ELEVATIONS? I'M GONNA TRY TO USE THE EXACT SAME ONES.
IF I NEED A WITNESS ON THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ADJUSTED ON THAT.
BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THE EXACT SAME ONE.
IT, I THINK IT WAS JUST WHAT YOU CIRCLED ON THAT CUT SHEET WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS HERE.
I WANT, I WANT IT TO MATCH MORE THAN Y'ALL DO.
I PROMISE YOU THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
MR. FRAZIER, MR. WONDER, NO QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION THOUGH? MOTION PROBES? SURE.
A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
ONE, IS IT ONE THROUGH EIGHT? IS THERE MORE? YEAH.
UM, AND INCLUDE, UH, A BAND BOARD BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[VII.4. 41 Stock Farm Road: A request by Dylan and Amanda Mingard, Applicants and Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow the construction of a 1-story carport or Carriage House of approximately 396 square feet and a Breezeway of approximately 301 square feet which will connect the Carriage House to the existing main structure located at 41 Stock Farm Road in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-02-25-019610) (Staff - Sam Barrow)]
TO ITEM NUMBER 4 41 DOCK FARM ROAD, MR. APPROPRIATE.UH, WE'RE HERE FOR, UH, 41 STOCK FARM ROAD.
THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A CARRIAGE HOUSE IN BREEZEWAY.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE, UH, MENARD FAMILY.
IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PROXIMITY ON THE MAP.
UH, THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE JUST CAME THROUGH ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE.
UM, MY EARS START TO RUN TOGETHER, SO I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
UM, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE, UH, THE ACA APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PUT THE, UH, CARDBOARD HERE.
AND THEN HERE, UH, THIS IS FROM THE STREET VIEW.
UH, THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE, UH, OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT IS THE CARPORT THAT WILL THEN HAVE A BREEZEWAY CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UH, THIS IS THE REAR ANGLE OF IT, UH, TO GIVE YOU PROXIMITY OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
UH, HIGHLIGHTED IT HERE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE REAR VIEW OF IT.
UH, AND THIS IS THE, THE, THE RUN OF IT, UM, TO THE EXISTING HOUSE ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, WE HAVE THE FOUR REVIEW CRITERIA FOR YOU TO REVIEW, SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH NUMBER TWO, UM, FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE THAT THE, PER THE EDO, UH, TO ADJUST SPACING OF THE APPLICABLE BREEZEWAY.
AND, AND I'VE, I'VE, I STRUCK THROUGH CARPORT.
UH, AND, UH, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT I HAD STAFF AND I RE-LOOKED THROUGH THE, THIS, UH, THIS REPORT WHERE WE DID MAKE MENTION TO ACTUALLY PUT A, A, A POST THROUGH THE CARPORT, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL, UH, UH, VEHICLES ARE LOCATED AT AT THIS, THIS POINT RIGHT HERE.
UH, AFTER REVIEWING IT MORE, I FELT THAT IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT, UH, RIGHT THERE WHERE THE VEHICLES ARE LOCATED.
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A GARAGE WITH GARAGE DOORS TO HAVE THE SEPARATED GARAGE DOORS, BUT FELT THAT IT JUST WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.HOWEVER, UM, ON THE, ALONG THE BREEZEWAYS, YES, THEY DO NEED TO HAVE THE PROPORTIONATE, UM, DISTANCE FOR THE, FOR THE BRACKET, OR EXCUSE ME, FOR THE POST.
UM, SO FROM A A, AGAIN, OH, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE ADJUST THE SPACING FOR THE BREEZEWAY POST, UM, NOT THE CARPORT PORTION OF IT.
UH, SO THAT THE DISTANCE IS NO, UH, GREATER, UM, THAN THE POST ARE TALL.
UH, PROVIDE THE LOUVER VENT, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN SCREEN, UH, DETAILS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE, SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THOSE DETAILS, UH, THAT WERE PART OF THE HOUSE.
UM, UM, SO WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THIS, THIS COFA REQUEST.
AND THEN PROVIDE, UH, EXPOSED CARPORT FOUNDATION MATERIAL, UM, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE SECTION.
UM, AND THEN PROVIDE THE WALL SECTION THROUGH THE EVE DETAILING HOW THE, UH, FASCIA SOFFITS WATER TABLES AND, UH, CORNER BOARDS ARE GOING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO WITH THAT, YOU CAN APPROVE, UH, AS SUBMITTED APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED, UH, TO DENY THE REQUEST.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I'M ACTUALLY, IF YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I DO HAVE THE STAFF FINDINGS HERE FOR YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THEY, THE, UH, CARPORT POST, THEY SUBMITTED SOME PHOTOS OF SURROUNDING CARPORTS THAT HAD THE SAME CONDITION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I HAD THE SAD, I CAUGHT THAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER IT, AND I MEANT, JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS, BUT I PURPOSELY DID NOT TELL 'EM I WAS ON HPC
UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THIS AS A NEIGHBOR, BUT I DID CATCH THAT WITH SO MANY OTHER THAT HAD SET PRECEDENT WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
AND THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THEIR TREES.
SO WITH THAT POST, IT WOULD ALMOST MAKE IT DIFFICULT YES.
TO KEEP A TREE THAT THEY HAD ON THE BALCONY.
MR. PROBES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ELSE? NO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WITH YES.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE, ANY OF THE COMMENTS? UH, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS.
UH, WE'VE ADJUSTED, WELL, WE'RE HAVING THE DRAWINGS ADJUSTED RIGHT NOW TO ADJUST THE POSTS SO THAT IT CONFORMS WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION NUMBER ONE.
IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS, I'VE GOT A LIST OF MATERIALS HERE.
UH, AND IT BOILS DOWN TO BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE CEMENTITIOUS BOARD, UH, WOOD FRAME AND WOOD LURE BLADES WITH INSECT SCREEN ON THE ATTIC VENT, UH, CEMENTITIOUS STAGGERED EDGE SHAKER SINGLES TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS, BUT AGAIN, TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, WATER TABLE SKIRT, BOARD, CEMENTITIOUS TRIM, BUT TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND, UH, BELLY BAND, UH, CEMENT TRIM TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO TRYING TO KEEP IT TO MATCH THE WHOLE REST OF THE STRUCTURE, BASICALLY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
WE WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, SURE.
I MEAN, I, WE USUALLY LIKE TO HAVE THESE DETAILS IN THE PACKET TO APPROVE, BUT I THINK GIVEN THAT THE HOUSE HAS ALL THE DETAILS AND WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR.
MODIFYING, UH, RECOMMENDATION ONE TO NOT INCLUDE THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CARPORT POST TO BE MEET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[VII.5. 15 Meriwether Court: A request by BFL Builders, Owner and Applicant, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow construction of a 2-story single-family residence of approximately 1,637 square feet and an attached 2-story Carriage House of approximately 840 square feet located at 15 Meriwether Court (Lot 1) in the Landon Oaks Development. The property is in Old Town Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District. (COFA-01-25-019522)(Staff - Sam Barrow)]
COFA FOR 15 MERRIWEATHER COURT.HEY, UM, WE ARE HERE, UH, THE APPLICANT, BARRY BRYANT, UM, WITH BFL BUILDERS IS REQUEST A, UM, CERTIFICATE TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF, UH, 1637 SQUARE FEET IN AN ATTACHED CARRIAGE HOUSE OF 840, LOCATED AT MERRIWETHER COURT.
AND THAT'S IN THE, UM, UM, LANDON OAKS, UM, DEVELOPMENT OFF OF THOMAS HAYWARD AND IS OWNED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.
UH, HERE'S SOME JUST, UH, SITE PHOTOS, UH, OF THE LOCATION ALONG THE ROADWAY.
UH, PROVIDED A COPY OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR YOU HERE FOR YOUR REVIEW.
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UH, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, TREE THERE.I BELIEVE IT'S A LIVE OAK TREE HERE.
UM, THAT, UM, THIS APPLICANT DID RECEIVE A VARIANCE REQUEST, UM, TO ENCROACH INTO, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SIDE SETBACK IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON THIS TREE.
SO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM, UH, ALREADY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE, UH, THE GOAL IS TO SAVE THAT TREE.
OH, THERE YOU SEE, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, ONES THAT ARE GONNA MEAN HIGHLIGHTS BE, BE REMOVED, BUT THEN OF COURSE THAT LIVE OAK IS RIGHT THERE.
IT'S OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU GET THE GIST OF IT.
UH, HERE'S THE PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, UH, AS IT IS OFF OF LANDON OAK.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UM, FROM THE, IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
THAT IS THE SIDE THAT WILL BE, UH, VISIBLE FROM THOMAS HAYWARD, UH, AGAIN FROM THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UH, SO THIS IS TOWARDS THE END, UH, THE ENTIRE, UH, PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, REVIEW CRITERIA.
UM, THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED HERE, SPECIFICALLY DEALING WITH NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE SOME CONDITIONS.
UH, SO THESE INCLUDE PROVIDING THE SPECIFIC, UH, WALL MATERIALS, UH, AS OUTLINED IN THE CODE SECTION THERE.
UH, PROVIDE RAILING DETAILS FOR THE EXTERIOR CARRIAGE HOUSE, UH, STAIRCASE AND THE HANDRAILS ON THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, REVISE LOCATION OF THE WINDOWS OF THE REAR WEST ELEVATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UM, AND EAST ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, PROVIDE THE GR UH, GARAGE DOOR, UH, MATERIAL.
UH, PROVIDE THE CORNER BOARD WATER TABLE DETAILS.
UM, AND THEN WE JUST SAID THAT IF A RETAINING WALL, UM, IS PROPOSED THAT IT'LL, UH, IF IT'S EXPOSED WALL, IT MUST BET COATED, UH, TO MATCH TAVI COATED PIERS, UM, UH, TO BE USED FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UH, PROVIDE DETAILS, SHOW THE LOUVER, UH, SKIRTING, UM, AS A MINIMUM ONE INCH, UM, BEHIND THE FACE OF EACH PIER.
UM, THEN WE HAVE THE PROPOSED SERVICE YARD UNDERNEATH THE CARRIAGE HOUSE STAIRWAY, UH, TO BE RELOCATED TO GRIN AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE BEEN CAPTURING RECENTLY, UH, OF THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE, UH, THOSE UNITS.
UM, ALSO, UM, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS TO SHOW THAT THE 75% TREE CANOPY, UM, IS PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN THE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, ALONG THE MAIN STRUCTURE THAT IT'S INCORPORATION, UH, TO INCORPORATE THE MIXTURE OF TREES, SHRUBS, AND GROUND COVER.
UM, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND THEN ONE ITEM WE DO NEED, UH, DETERMINATION, UM, FROM THE BOARD IS DEALING, UH, WHETHER THE HOG FENCE, STYLE RAILING IS APPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
UM, AND IT DEPICTS, IT SAYS A HOG FENCE STYLE RAILING ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR, UH, PAINTED OR NATURAL ROD, UM, OR CAST IRON, UM, FOR THE RAILINGS AND BLISTERS.
UH, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A ZINC PRIME POWDER COATED STEEL WELDED INTO MESH PANELS.
AND THEN JUST TO GO BACK, UM, WHEN YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE ON, LIKE, ON THE FRONT PORCH RIGHT THERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UH, IT'S ALMOST, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A, LIKE A LIVING FENCE WOULD.
UM, SO WE JUST NEED A DETERMINATION FROM THE BOARD IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE USE, UM, AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR FINDINGS.
UH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUBMIT, UH, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, UH, TO OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP AS WELL.
I HAVE REGARDS TO THE, UM, YOU CAN GO BACK WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE HOG FENCING.
WHICH ONE? THE, THE, THE NETTING NET LOOKS LIKE ON YEAH.
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON OTHER, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF, OF ANY OTHER, UM, RAILINGS THAT HAVE USED THAT MATERIAL? UM, SO WE'VE HAD, UM, I'VE, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF RAILINGS THAT HAVE COME IN.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE JUST, UH, YOUR STANDARD POSTS, UM, AND FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A SEPARATION OF MORE THAN, UH, I THINK IT'S LIKE THREE INCHES, FOUR INCHES, FOUR INCHES, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, OKAY.
SO IN THIS SITUATION, THEY'D BE OKAY FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A, A, A MATERIAL THAT IS TYPICALLY USED, UH, FOR THE RAILINGS.
SO, UH, FROM A STAFF LEVEL, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT, IT'S JUST, SINCE IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE OKAY WITH IT AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ONE OF IT IS THE MATERIAL ITSELF, WHICH IN THE PAST WE HAVE APPROVED, UM, POWDER COATED IN THE APPLICATION THAT IT'S SORT OF, OF A HISTORIC DETAILING.
THE OTHER THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER THE DETAILING ITSELF AND THE ACTUAL APPLICATION OF IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT IT IS.
WE OFTEN HAVE RAILINGS THAT ARE LIKE AN X BRACING OR SOMETHING THAT HAS WIDER THAN
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FOUR INCHES, AND THEN YOU HAVE A MESH BEHIND IT THAT'LL ALLOW FOR YOU TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO PASS CODE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU HAVE SMALLER OPENINGS.BUT WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S JUST THE WIRE MESH, THE WHITER BUILDING, DOES THAT HAVE IT RUINING? I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT DOESN'T THAT MESH THAT IS SOUNDING FAMILIAR.
I MEAN, IT IS AN APPROVED FENCE, THAT LIVING FENCE KIND OF CONCEPT.
I, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES IN PALMETTO BLOCK THAT HAVE THIS AND ACTUALLY, UM, I'VE BEEN UPSTATE TO COMMUNITIES, HISTORIC COMMUNITIES AND I'VE SEEN IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S A THICKNESS THAT, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, ON IT.
IT JUST CAN'T BE THE FLIMSY HOG WIRE THAT WE NORMALLY SEE.
BUT I LIKE IT BECAUSE THE BOARDS PRESS AGAINST IT AND YOU ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF WASP AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS BUILDING UP IN THE PICKETS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN ON THE FRONT THOUGH.
SO IT'S ON THE BACK AND THE, AND THE FRONT.
AND THE GAUGE IS THICK, AESTHETICALLY, WHAT'S THE INTENTION OF YOU? OF THE IT'S ON, IT'S ON WHITER.
TIME
UM, THAT'S, IT'S A DARK BUILDING WITH BRICK ON THE BOX.
SO IT IS, IT'S NOT FOR, YEAH, TWO OF THOSE TWO WAYS I CAN THINK OF.
SO IF WE ARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THE APPLICATION OF IT, WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT'S OF A THICK ENOUGH GAUGE TO FEEL APPROPRIATE AT STAFF LEVEL UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ISSUES WITH THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO SPEAK.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? HI, BARRY BRYANT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THIS IS NOT A HILL ON WISH WE WISH TO DIE.
WE'LL GET RID OF IT AND HAVE NO RAILING.
SO SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THAT.
YOU STOLE THE IDEA FROM WHITER OVER THERE ON 46, WHICH IS FRONT AND CENTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT WAS THE AESTHETIC INTENTION OF IT? WE JUST THOUGHT IT LOOKED COOL IN THE WHITER BUILDINGS WE DECIDED TO PUT IN OUR HOUSE.
A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO IT, AS YOU CAN TELL.
I'D ASKED KEVIN ABOUT IT, BUT SINCE THE APPLICANT'S HERE, IN YOUR NARRATIVE, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BUILD A ONE AND A HALF STORY, AND THIS IS DEFINITELY A TWO STORY.
WHAT WAS THE CHANGE ON THE IT IS NOT A ONE AND A HALF PER THE UDO.
YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 50%.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR? SO TO FIT INTO THE OTHER BUILDING TYPE, WE MADE IT A ONE AND A HALF STORY, WHICH MEANS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS LESS THAN SOME PERCENTAGE OF THE FIRST FLOOR TO MAKE IT A ONE AND A HALF.
IT DOESN'T, IT PRESENTS ITSELF AS THERE ARE, THERE ARE DEFINITELY TWO LEVELS.
BY DEFINITION IN THE UDO, IT IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY.
THIS IS CONSIDERED A ONE AND A HALF STORY.
AND IN FACT, I THINK ON THE FIRST PAGE WE EVEN CALLED THAT OUT WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGES TO MAKE SURE WE FIT IN THERE.
YEAH, I KNEW YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS RIGHT.
BUT BEING NEW, I JUST THOUGHT I'D GET THAT CLARIFIED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE IONS? I, I THOUGHT WE NAILED MOST OF THOSE AFTER WE MET.
UM, AND WE SUBMITTED THE NEW SET OF PLANS.
WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT 'EM.
MY ONLY QUESTION, THE, THE SERVICE YARD ISSUE IS NEW TO US SINCE WE BUILT THE OTHER HOMES OVER THERE.
IS THAT A IC ISSUE? IS THAT A BUILDING BUILDING CODE THAT IS IRC? YEAH, BECAUSE THERE A MINIMUM CLEARANCE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING OKAY.
WE DID 'EM ON ALL THE OTHER HOUSES.
I THINK IT'S TECHNICALLY IT'S GOOD.
THAT'S GONNA BE A, IS IT? THERE'S A NUMBER, BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LEANING TOWARDS IS JUST BEING MORE SAFE THAN SORRY.
AND HAVING IT UNDERNEATH ANY FLAMMABLE.
AND FROM A, FROM A-A-A-U-D-O STANDPOINT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME IN CASE IT THEN CAUSES A TRICKLE EFFECT OF, OF HAVING TO MAKE CHANGES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS 'EM? I MEAN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ONE, THE GARAGE DOOR MATERIAL.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE GLASS.
UH, IT IS DEFINITELY NOT GLASS.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT COULD SHOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PANELED, BUT WE COULDN'T TELL WHETHER THE INSETS WERE ACTUAL GLASS OR IT WASN'T LABEL WHAT IT WAS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN IS THAT OH YEAH, NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A FULL VIEW,
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FULL VIEW GLASS DOOR, WE ABSOLUTELY, UM, WE'RE NOT SPENDING THEM MONEY.HOW ABOUT THE EXTERIOR MAN DOORS? SO CAN YOU GO TO THE REAR OF THE GARAGE? ARE THEY FLUSH DOORS? WHAT ARE THOSE DOORS? YEAH.
YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE OTHER ONES WE DIDN'T HAVE FLUSH FOR A DOOR.
YEAH, THEY WERE CALLED OUT AS WOOD ON THE WINDOW ON THE DR.
IT WOULDN'T BE A SLAB LIKE THAT.
HALF LIGHT WITH A PANEL BENEATH IT.
LIKE WE DID ALL THE OTHER HALF.
YEAH, WE
THE SCREEN DOOR DOESN'T SHOW A PANEL.
THAT'S WHAT ABOUT THE SERVICE JAR? WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE? IS GOING I I SEE IT RIGHT ON THAT ELEVATION.
IS, I CAN'T READ THE NOTE THAT'S ON THERE.
WHAT, CAN YOU READ THE NOTE? DOES IT SAY ON THAT NOTE UNDERNEATH IT? I ASKING NOT TO READ THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER ABOUT MATERIAL YOU LOOKING FOR.
YEAH, I IS IT IS IT BOARD BOARD ON BOARD MATCH THE HOUSE, THE, THE SIDING? WOULD THE SIDING OF THE SERVICE YARD WOULD MATCH THE HOUSE? IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING MISSING? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SO IT'S LIKE A WALL WITH BOARD AND BATTEN ON IT OR IS IT BOARD ON BOARD? NO SPACE BOARDS WITH THE BOARD BEHIND IT.
IS THAT GONNA BE A BREATHABLE SOLUTION FOR THE AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT? UH, WE'D LIKE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WORKS AND I HAVE YOUR GUYS COME BACK WHEN THE, THE AIR CONDITIONING INSTALLER SAYS THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR US.
WE'VE DONE ALL THE OTHER ONES AND WE HAD THE CLEARANCES ON THE OTHER ONES.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT 'CAUSE WE DID THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICE YARD EVERYWHERE ELSE OUT THERE.
IS THAT, DOES THAT HAVE SOME SORT OF WOOD CAP ON TOP OF IT OR? YEAH, WE HAD A TWO BY UM, TWO BY EIGHT CAP.
I THINK IT WAS TWO BY SIX OR TWO BY CAP.
AND THAT'S THE SAME SERVICE YARD THAT'S IN THAT SURROUNDING HOUSES AS WELL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, IT'LL BASICALLY MATCH THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
JUST THAT WAS HORIZONTAL LAP I THINK AS OPPOSED TO MORE FENCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A, I THINK DEBBIE AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH TREES.
THIS, I WAS AT YOUR SITE TODAY AND THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT TREE.
UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ON YOUR LAST LOT 'CAUSE THAT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT ON OUR LOT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT WOW.
UM,
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY HAND DIGGING INTO THAT ONE.
WE'RE GONNA SCREAM WITH A, UM, UH, WITH A REAL FENCE, A TREE FENCE WITH A REAL FENCE AS OPPOSED TO JUST THOSE GUYS JUST RUN OVER THOSE TREE FENCES LIKE THEY'RE NOT EVEN THERE.
SO, AND THEN THAT'S THE ONLY HOUSE THAT WE'VE PUT ON PIERS OUT THERE FOR THAT VERY REASON.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ARBOR IS RECOMMENDED IN THE LETTER THAT SAW IS SUBMITTED SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
AND WILL STAFF OR THE ARBORISTS DICTATE HOW FAR OUT THAT FENCE IS? WHO, WHO SEVEN FEET IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD.
SO WE WE'RE GONNA BRING IT OUT SEVEN FEET.
AND, AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT, WITH THE PEER SYSTEM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON MORE THE HAND DIGGING ASPECT OF IT, JUST SO THAT WOULD HELP.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY NEXT THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAND DIG FOR THE PI.
SINCE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE COVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN POURING LIKE FOUNDATIONS AND THERE'S LOTS OF WATER, IS THERE A PLAN FOR RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK? BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CREEK.
WE'LL RUN THE SAME TYPE OF S FENCE WE DID ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR.
AND THAT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE COVE IS ACTUALLY DOWN BEHIND LOT FIVE.
UH, THAT'S CONSIDERED A DRAIN AN EASEMENT BEHIND WHERE WE ARE.
AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT DOES GO TO THE COVE.
THE COVE IS DOWN, THE COVE IS DOWN THERE BEHIND LOT FIVE AND WE'LL RUN.
I THINK WE RAN EITHER DOUBLE OR TRIPLE, BUT THERE'S THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE PRO ON THE PROPERTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 MERRIWEATHER COURT.
RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S THAT, UM, THE BLACK PLASTIC FENCING AND IF YOU LOOK RIGHT OVER THAT, THERE'S A LARGE DRAINAGE AND THEN THERE'S CREEK THAT'S DRAIN THE CREEK.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT DROP RIGHT INTO IT FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'LL DOUBLE SCREENED IT THE SAME WAY WE DID ON LOT SIX.
I THINK WE HAD EITHER TWO OR THREE ROWS OF SILT FENCE ON THAT ONE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING STORM WATER WANTED US TO DO.
WE DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH IT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING FOUNDATION AND CONCRETE.
THERE'S JUST SO MUCH RUNOFF AS LONG AS THERE'S A PLAN.
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OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT PICKS THAT UP DURING, UH, BUILDING PERMIT.SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PLANS, UH, THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT.
WE REVIEW IT AS WELL FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE KOFA.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PUT, UH, SPECIAL ATTENTION ON IT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS APPROPRIATE.
BOTH THE TREE FENCING AND THEN THE SILT FENCING AS IT RELATES TO THAT PORTION IS A DITCH, NOT, I WON'T CALL IT A CREEK, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL COVE WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE A A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A THE, THE ACTUAL SALT WATER IS COMING UP.
UH, IS IS FURTHER AWAY FROM, FROM WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
THEY'RE, I MEAN THEY'RE ON THESE
THEY WILL SHUT THEM DOWN IN A HEARTBEAT.
THEY REALLY
ARE THESE CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE IN AN APPROVAL OR IS THIS NOTED THAT YOU'LL MAKE SURE IT'S DOUBLE SILT FENCED, THEN THERE WILL BE A, A REAL FENCE AROUND THE TREE.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN? UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE WHAT YOU COULD DO AS PART OF, UH, LET SEE WHICH CONDITION, UM, AS PART OF THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WAIT, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THE TREE.
UM, YOU CAN JUST ADD A, A COMMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OR A CONDITION TO SAY THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE EXISTING LIVE OAK, UH, AT THE FRONT HAS A, UH, MORE ROBUST, UH, TREE FENCE AROUND IT THAN THE STANDARD, YOU KNOW, ORANGE MESH FENCE.
DO YOU WANNA DEFINE IT AS SPLIT RAIL? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, CAN WE GO, CAN WE LOOK AT ELEVATIONS? I'M SORRY.
UM, SO THE QUESTION ON THE, THE ALL THE BEAMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ARE, IS YOUR INTENTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE WRAPPED OR ARE THEY GONNA BE SOLID BEAMS? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH, THE THREE BEAMS THAT RUN THROUGH YOUR SCREEN PORCH AREA, AND THEN THE BRACKET FOR THE GARAGE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE BRACKET, THE DETAIL IN THE BRACKET OF THE GARAGE LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOLID.
LOOKS LIKE THESE IN THE PORCH MAY BE WRAPPED DETAIL.
CAN YOU GO TO THAT? GIMME ONE SECOND HERE PLEASE.
I THOUGHT WE CHANGED, WE CHANGED THAT.
I THOUGHT WE CHANGED THAT TO BE WRAPPED IN HARD.
THE, THE, UH, THE FRONT, THE, THE, UM, THE LITTLE SHED ROOF OVER THE GARAGE DOOR.
OKAY, THAT IS IMPORTANT 'CAUSE YOU HAVE ENDS ON THAT.
AND THEN THE REST OF 'EM WE HAD FRAMED WITH WRAPPING THEM WITH, OKAY.
SO IF YOU GO TO A SEVEN FOUR YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN EXPOSED PORTION ABOVE THAT WRAP.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA TREAT THAT? BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE WHATEVER THAT WELL, OH, ON THE INSIDE AT THE TOP, VERY EXPOSED, THAT'S WRAPPED UP TO THE TOP, THE BOTTOM OF THAT IN BETWEEN EACH RAPTOR THAT'S EXPOSED.
THE OTHER HOUSES WE HAVE TO COVER IT.
I CAN'T WHAT WE DID SEE, NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE LIKE A LITTLE TWO INCHES OF WOOD STICKING UP FRAME.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SHOWN IT GOING ALL THE WAY UP.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO CUT IT OUT EVERY RAFTER OR YOU PUT YOUR, OR YOU PUT PIECE OFWE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I MEAN IT'S, WHAT ABOUT THE SCREEN PORCH? THERE'S NO REAL DETAIL OF THAT.
WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION THAT FRAME AROUND IT? SAME.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, YEAH, THERE'S NO REAL DETAIL.
THE SCREEN PORCH HAS A TONGUE OF GROOVE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT DETAIL.
THERE'S WHAT WHAT'S THE SCREEN? IS IT JUST ALUMINUM APPLIED IN BETWEEN? THERE'S NO DETAIL ON IT.
AND THEN WHAT'S THAT MIDDLE? WHAT'S, THAT'S A HORIZONTAL TWO BY A TWO OR THREE.
HE DIDN'T DETAIL ANY OF THAT STUFF.
AND THAT, THAT'S SOMEONE FORWARD.
SO IF WE CAN SEE A DETAIL OF THAT SCREEN FORGE, I THINK THAT BAR NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT, LET ME GIVE YOU A, A SECTION AND A MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS ON HIS LIST.
AND MAYBE JUST IN GET THAT ONE DONE.
DOES HE, DOES HE SHOW ANYTHING DIFFERENT ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE, ON THE, LIKE ON THE REAR ELEVATION? ARE YOU ABLE, WHICH, YEAH, WHICH, UM, PAGE ARE YOU THERE? SAME THING.
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THOSE GAPS AREN'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK MORE THAN FOUR FEET WIDTH, BUT, WELL, LET ME SEND YOU A I DON'T, AND IF YOU LIKE, UM, AS, AS MOVING THIS FORWARD, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT, UM, THAT WHEN THEY RESUBMIT IT, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, IS IS PUT IT ONTO AN HPRC MEETING JUST TO GIVE, GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT.UM, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY, MY QUESTION.
AND, AND HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP OFFLINE SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY LIKE, YOU KNOW, MINOR DETAILS THAT ARE, WE CAN EASILY, UH, PICK THEM UP.
SO, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN WE'LL APPROVE IT, SAY PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OR APPROVE IT STAFF LEVEL, YOU CAN SAY, WELL WE'D LOVE TO PUT IT BEFORE YOU, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT AGAIN.
AND WE DON'T WANNA TO ALICIA'S POINT PUT MORE WORK ON THEIR PLATE WHEN WE SHOULD BE SEEING IT NOW.
UM, BUT IF IT CAN COME BACK FOR US, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WE CAN SEE IT AT HPRC LEVEL.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DID YOU HAVE? ANY OTHERS? NO.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, QUESTIONS? NO.
MR. WONDER, ANYTHING? NOTHING.
DO WE HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A MOTION? I HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, YEAH, UH, ANOTHER THING ON THE DOOR.
I MEAN THE DOORS ARE DRAWN FLUSH, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PANEL DOORS.
THEY, THEY NEED SOME CASING ON THEM AS WELL.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DRAWN, LIKE THEY HAVE HOLLOW METAL FRAMES, BUT UH, WE WANT TO SEE WINDOW AND DOOR CASING ON THE DOORS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN I'M STILL KIND OF FINDING THE USE OF CASEMENTS AND DOUBLE HUNGS ON THE HOUSE KIND OF ERRATIC.
UM, AND THE, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE WINDOW SPACING KIND OF DIFFICULT.
WE GOT DOUBLE HUNG CASEMENT AND AWNINGS ACTUALLY.
UH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR SIZE AND PROPORTION TO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT ARE JUST CASEMENTS.
AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF RHYME AND REASON AS TO WHY IT'S NOT LIKE THE CASEMENTS ARE ACCENT WINDOWS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY IS JUST A LITTLE BIT HAPHAZARD OR KIND OF A TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
YOU WOULD SEE MORE OF, A LOT OF DOUBLE HUNGS WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, SMALLER CASEMENTS, YOU KNOW, SMALL WINDOWS OR CASEMENTS.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE OTHER THREE HOUSES IN THERE WITH THE CASEMENT, THE MIX, THE, WE HAVE BOTH DOUBLE HUNGS AND CASEMENTS OR AWNINGS, UH, IN THE OTHER THREE HOUSES, UH, UPSTAIRS.
THOSE DOUBLE HUNGS WERE MOST, WERE, THEY'RE DRIVEN BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE EAVE HEIGHT, WHICH, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD LOWER AND THEN WE PUSHED IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE PUSHED THE ROOF LINE UP A LITTLE BIT.
IS THERE A REASON THAT ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AREN'T AT THE SAME HEAD HEIGHT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ODD THAT JUST THE TWO ON THE END ARE TALL AT THIS POINT.
THE TWO ON THE END WALLS ARE AT EIGHT FEET.
'CAUSE OUR, WE DON'T HAVE A REAL INTERNAL PLATE HEIGHT.
SO WHY IS IT SO THE WALLS ON THE GABLE OR THE WINDOW ON THE GABLE LINE.
BUT WE, WE PUSHED UP AND WE MADE THAT WHOLE THING AN ELEMENT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY YOU WOULD SEE ALL THOSE WINDOWS AT THE SAME HEIGHT.
YOU HAVE A LOW E HIGH, LOW PLATE HEIGHT.
YOU JUST BRING EVERYTHING DOWN TO THE SAME LEVEL AND IT'LL PROBABLY LOOK BETTER ON THAT LITTLE BAY HAVING SOME MORE, UH, BAY ABOVE THAT WINDOW AND NOT JUST HAVING THAT ROOF, ESPECIALLY SEE AROUND THAT CORNER.
YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU WANT US TO DROP THAT ONE, WE CAN DROP THAT ONE.
UM, THE OTHER ONES ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, BUT WHY, LIKE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHY AREN'T THOSE LARGER WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE DOUBLE HUNG? JUST SO THAT ALL OF THE LARGER WINDOWS ARE DOUBLE HUNGS SOUTH OF WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH IS BOTTOM LEFT, THIS VERSION RIGHT HERE.
SO I'M, I, THAT'S THE WAY WE, WE DREW IT.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE PREFERENCE, YOU WANNA SEE ONE THING OR THE OTHER, TELL ME AND I'LL SWITCH IT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT VERY WIDE WINDOWS.
ONE'S AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS.
THEN WE ADDED ANOTHER ONE WE ADDED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STAIRWELL, SO THERE'D BE SOME SOMETHING ON THAT.
THAT RIGHT HAND WINDOW JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S, YEAH.
IT DOESN'T GO WITH, IT'S A WEIRD HEIGHT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL, WELL, THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S ON A STAIR LANDING.
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RIGHT.I MEAN, THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE THE SPOT WHERE YOU WOULD USE THE ACCENT CASEMENT WINDOW AND MAKE IT A DIFFERENT SIZE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A SMALL WINDOW THAT'S PUNCHED IN THERE OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE THIS ELEVATION EVEN MORE BLANK.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER.
NOW WE WANTED A BIG UNIT THERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THE VIEW IS RIGHT OFF THE BACK THERE'S LIKE TWO, TWO OR THREE TREADS UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT LANDING THAT'S UNDER THAT WINDOW.
THAT'S WHY THAT ONE SETS UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE OTHERS.
AND THEN, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY ACTIONABLE, THAT ONE COULD BE A, I MEAN, I JUST THINK LIKE THE, THE W 13 AND THE W SHOULD BE DOUBLE HUNGS AT A MINIMUM.
HOW'S EVERYBODY ELSE FEEL ABOUT THE PAIRS OF CASEMENTS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF IT IS THAT IT'S A BIT, THERE'S PAIR OF CASEMENTS, UH, ON THIS ELEVATION AND THEN SEVERAL PAIRS OF CASEMENTS ON THE FRONT.
AND IT FEELS LIKE IT, IT KIND OF WANTS TO BE A DOUBLE HUNG HOUSE WITH LIKE A VERY FEW NUMBER OF LIKE THE AWNING WINDOWS, AWNING WINDOW SIZE WINDOWS BEING AWNINGS OR CASE CASE MEDS JUST AS ACCENTS.
SO WHERE IS THE STAIR LANDING IN THAT, THAT W FIVE RIGHT THERE.
IT RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT UNIT WHERE YOUR CUR IS PUSH IT DOWN.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, CLOSER TO THE FLOOR.
SO YOU CAN GET
THAT WINDOW IS GONNA BE TALLER.
I MEAN, I CAN'T CHANGE THE STAIR RES.
I'M ALREADY, I'M LOCKED INTO THE STAIR HEIGHT.
THAT LANDING HEIGHT'S WHAT IT IS.
BUT HOW FAR IS THAT OFF THE LANDING HEIGHT? IS IT TWO FEET OFF OF IT? IS IT THREE FEET? IT IS NOT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO BRING THAT HEADLIGHT DOWN IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
CAN YOU MAKE THAT A SMALLER WINDOW? IT'S JUST UP THE FLOORS.
IT GOES UP TWO STEPS TOGETHER.
GO BACK TO WHERE YOU JUST WERE, KEVIN.
IT JUST LOOKS ODD TO SEE THE WINDOWS SO DIFFERENT.
SO YOUR BACK WINDOW, COULD YOU NOT RAISE THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT GOES TO THAT BACK WINDOW THAT'S SO MUCH LOWER AND YOU HAVE THAT, THE TWO WINDOWS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS ONE THAT'S ON THE LANDING JUST TO KEEP IT LOOKING MORE UNIFORM.
WE, WE PLAN TO PUT THE TWO, THE DOUBLE UNIT THERE.
WE PLAN TO HAVE LIKE A BENCH PUT IN THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT KEVIN.
SO IF WE TAKE, IF WE PUT THOSE FULL-SIZE WINDOWS IN THERE RIGHT THEN, THEN I'M DOWN CLOSER TO THE FLOOR AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING IN FRONT OF HIM.
THIS IS A PRETTY LITTLE HOUSE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE AS MUCH USE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THE WEEDS AND THAT WE MM-HMM
WORKSHOP THIS IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF HOURS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT IS IT SOMETHING, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANNA INCLUDE AS A CONDITION TO GO FORTH TO TALK WITH THE HPRC ABOUT IT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE OTHER DETAILS? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE THERE LOT ON THE WINDOWS? YEAH.
IS THE COMMISSION COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING AT AN HPC? WELL, I MEAN, I'M ON THE HPRC, SO IT'S KIND OF UP TO HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT TABLING IT, TABLING IT, THEM TAKING CARE OF THAT AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK.
IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN WE CAN VOTE TO TABLE IT.
S SO I'M FEELING LIKE THE DRAWING, I MEAN, THERE'S FLUSH DOORS THAT ARE PANEL DOORS.
THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF MATERIALS MISSING.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LOGIC TO THE WINDOWS.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF MENTIONED IN HPRC BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF MISSING DETAILS.
WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE TO TABLE, WE CAN JUST VOTE.
DENY IT, BUT THEY CAN WITHDRAW IT, CORRECT? THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN REQUEST THAT Y'ALL TABLE IT.
SO THAT THEY CAN PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING OR THE NEXT MEETING WHERE THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT.
HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WROTE DOWN THAT Y'ALL SEEM TO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
I HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE ON HALF THE WORDS THAT Y'ALL WILL USE TONIGHT.
SO IF I GET 'EM WRONG, PLEASE DON'T JUDGE ME.
BUT, UH, YOU HAVE THE, TO PROVIDE SOME MATERIALS FOR THE HOG FENCE FOR STAFF VIEW AND APPROVAL, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MATERIAL IS OF A SUFFICIENT
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WEIGHT AND THICKNESS TO, TO LOOK LIKE, UH, LOOK CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER USE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.STERLING, THE WINDOW ON SOUTH ELEVATION, WE HAVE WHAT, W 13 AND W 18 OR WHB DOUBLE ON, UH, THE DROP WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO REVIEW THAT DOOR CA MAKE SURE TO SHOW THE DOOR CASING, UH, DETAIL THE SUPREME PORCH, BOTH THE MESH AND THE TWO BY TWOS TRIM TO WRAP THE PORCH BEAM.
MAKE SURE IT SHOWED THAT, UH, SPLIT RAIL TREE FENCE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
SO WE HAD MAKE SURE THAT STAFF INCORPORATES THAT IN THE NEXT, THE NEXT ROUND.
AND THEN WITH THE DOORS, UH, THEY SHOULD BE HALF LIGHT, NOT SLAB.
AND I, I MAY HAVE MISSED ONE OR TWO THINGS.
SO DOUBLE SILL FENCES AND THE DOUBLE.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS JUST
UM, IT REALLY SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE WINDOWS IS THE STICKING ONE.
WELL, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLE LITTLE THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU, THE THING WHERE IT'S LIKE WITH THE WINDOWS, I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH THIS ONCE AND I THOUGHT WE HAD PRETTY WELL KIND OF NAILED WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
SO NOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND OTHER THINGS COME UP.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO FOR THE NEW DL AND THEN TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY WHEN EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
SOMETHING'S GOTTA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE A, A MEETING POINT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND I, I, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT.
LIKE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE, THE LACK OF DETAIL, THE LACK OF, UM, ANY SORT OF DECISION ON THE WINDOWS.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT HEADER HEIGHTS AT THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT COULD GO.
AND I THINK THAT COMBINED WITH ALL THOSE THINGS, IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
JUST BEING A, HEY, MEET WITH THE HPRC, KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT.
'CAUSE IT COULD CHANGE THE, THE LOOK OF IT A DECENT AMOUNT.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T JUST SIT DOWN WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU AND LIKE, 'CAUSE I COULD SEE THIS TAKE ANOTHER THREE MONTHS NOW, RIGHT? WELL, YOU CAN REQUEST A, A PRE-APP MEETING WITH HPRC OR A SPECIAL MEETING WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THAT BEFOREHAND.
AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND I MEAN, TO LISA'S POINT EARLIER, IT'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE BROUGHT UP OR THE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT UP SINCE THEN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S MORE TIME AND IT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE TO SET, SET A PRECEDENT OF APPROVING SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO IF HAVE TARGET IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, MR. CHAIR, SO Y'ALL HAVE ANNUAL, YOU CAN APPROVE APPROVE OF CONDITIONS OR DENY, UM, OR THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST THAT THIS BE TABLED SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES, MEET WITH HPRC AND THEN BRING IT BACK FOR Y'ALL QUESTION REALLY TO TRY TO HELP THE APPLICANT.
IF WE DENY IT, THEN IT IS A LONGER TIME TO BRING IT BACK TO US.
AM I RIGHT? IT IT WILL BE, YES.
THEY WITHDRAW IT, IT COULD COME BACK, BACK NEXT MONTH THAT THEY, THEY WORK ON IT QUICKLY DE DEPENDING ON JUST ABSOLUTELY, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE BACK NEXT MONTH.
AND I DON'T, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK, AND I'VE WATCHED THESE, I KNOW I'M NEW AND I'M NOT BRINGING ANYTHING NEW TO IT.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THESE APPLICATIONS COME WITH SO MANY CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE THIS COMMISSION SEES IT.
SO THAT ON TOP OF THE CONCERN TO ME, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH TO, TO VOTE ON TONIGHT FOR ME.
UM, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU TABLE, IF YOU WITHDREW IT, THEN YOU CAN BE BACK IN 30 DAYS.
IF WE DENY IT, IT IS A LONGER PROCESS AND I THINK IT FALLS ON THE APPLICANT NOT THIS SUBMISSION CHANGE IN HAVING MULTIPLE THOUGHTS.
SO IF, IF, IF I MAY, I THINK, UM, BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS LISTENED TO ALL THESE ITEMS, UM, GET THEM TURNED AROUND, UM, FROM A TIMEFRAME STANDPOINT, UM, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU CAN GET THEM, IT MIGHT JUST BE SUBMITTED BUT NOT NECESSARILY FULLY REVIEWED BEFORE WE BRING IT TO HPRC.
WE CAN PUT IT ON THE HPCR AGENDA JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT, WE HAVE A JULY 2ND MEETING IS OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO IF WE CAN, IF THEY CAN GET A LOT OF THESE CHANGES, KNOCK DOWN A LOT OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE IS THAT WINDOW CONFIGURATION SEEMS THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST, UH, DETAILS, UM, THAT ARE JUST NEEDED.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BUTTONING UP THOSE DETAILS.
UM, WE CAN GET YOU IN FRONT OF THE HPRC.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WITH THAT, WE WOULD JUST BRING THIS BACK, UM, AT THAT JULY 2ND MEETING, UH, WITH THOSE CHANGES.
AND THERE MIGHT STILL BE A FEW CONDITIONS, BUT, UM, WE CAN GET THOSE ALL ADJUSTED.
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AND THEN PRESENTED BACK TO YOU AND THEN HOPEFULLY APPROVED AT THAT JULY 2ND MEETING.SO WHAT DO YOU NEED ME TO DO? FORMALLY WITHDRAW? REQUEST A TABLE.
JUST REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED.
CAN WE REQUEST THAT IT BE TABLED PLEASE?
AND THEN THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO VOTE TO, UH, A MOTION TO TABLE IT AT THE REQUEST GAP.
I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THE, THE, I MOVE WE TABLE THE APPLICATION FOR 15 MAYOR WEATHER COURT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THE APPLICATION IS, DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE
WHAT I WOULD, WHAT TYPICALLY WOULD HAPPEN IS STAFF COULD BASED OFF OF THOSE, WHAT THEY'VE HEARD FROM YOU, POTENTIALLY PUT THAT AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND.
[VII.6. 71 Bridge Street: A request by Ed Johns, Jr. (LowCountry Custom Built Homes), Applicant, on behalf Jim and Julie Lewellyn, Owners, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a 2-story main residence of approximately 3,168 square feet and a 2- story Carriage House of approximately 1,196 square feet located at 71 Bridge Street in Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood Conservation-HD. (COFA-11-24- 019447)(Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
IS A COFA FOR 71 BRIDGE STREET.UH, NEXT WE HAVE 71 BRIDGE STREET.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT, UM, ED JOHNS JR.
WITH, UH, LOW COUNTRY CUSTOM HOME.
UH, THIS IS FOR JIM AND, UH, JULIE, UH, LEWELLEN, UH, THIS IS FOR A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF 3,100, UM, SQUARE FEET.
AND A DETACHED TWO STORY, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED AT 71 BRIDGE STREET.
UH, HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION, UH, DISTRICT.
UH, JUST SOME IMAGES OF THE SITE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BRAND NEW.
UM, THIS DRIVEWAY TO THE RIGHT HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THE ONE THAT MS. GUCCIO REFERRED TO.
UH, AND WE WILL WORK WITH, UH, BOTH THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE CIOS.
NUMBER ONE TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S AN ABILITY FOR THEM TO, UM, HAVE ACCESS OFF OF THAT.
UH, LEGALLY, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ACCESS OFF THAT, WHICH IF THEY ARE NOT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONFIGURE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY OFF OF BRIDGE STREET AND THEN IT COULD, UM, DETERMINE THE, THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION, UH, WHICH SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE OR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
BUT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT IF THAT IS AN ISSUE, UM, BEYOND THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL ASPECTS OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY LOCATED, YOU CAN SEE, UH, AT THE TOP HERE IS BRIDGE STREET, UM, AND THEN THE, UH, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, THE CORNER OF THIS, UH, PORCH IS APPROXIMATELY 31 FEET FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT IS PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING WAS THAT GRAVEL DRIVE OFF OF THE CIO'S PROPERTY OR DRIVEWAY, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WAS PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEN FROM AN ELEVATION STANDPOINT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS AT 35 FEET, NINE INCHES, UH, TO THE ROOF, TO THE RIDGE LINE.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, OR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS AT 25 FEET.
UM, SO PROPORTIONATE ON THIS IMAGE, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE REFERENCE POINT OF, UM, THE HIERARCHY, AGAIN, THE FRONT ELEVATION, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S THE REAR, UH, THERE'S THE RIGHT LEFT SIDE.
AND THEN I THINK WE HAD THE FRONT, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN HERE'S THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, TOWARDS THE BRIDGE STREET, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE TOWARDS THE GOOS, UCOS HITTING THE BUTTON, AND IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.
SORRY, I WAS, I WAS, I'M SORRY.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I FIND THE ONE, THE ONE ERROR AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE UPSET WITH ME.
SO, UH, SO WELL, I'VE NOTICED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT.
COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING EARLIER TODAY, SO, OKAY.
FOR, FOR SOME REASON IT'S NOT WORKING THERE, BUT, UH, THAT IS A CARRIAGE EDGE HOUSE, NOT CARE EDGE HOUSE.
UH, SO THE REVIEW CRITERIA, WE HAVE LISTED ALL FOUR OF THEM SPECIFICALLY.
NUMBER TWO IS THE ONE THAT WE'LL BE ADDRESSING THIS EVENING.
UM, SO THE FINDINGS, AGAIN, UH, THE SERVICE YARD FOR, UH, FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE MUST BE INCLUDED.
UH, THERE WAS NOT ONE THAT WAS SHOWN ON THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE SERVICE YARD UNDER THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SPELLED PROPERLY, UM, IS, WOULD NEED TO BE RECODED FROM UNDERNEATH THE, THE, THE STAIRWELL.
UH, THEN THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OBVIOUSLY MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND IF ANY OF THE PORTRAITS ARE SCREENED, ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSIONS NEED TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCREENED MATERIAL.
UH, I NEED CHANGE THE COLUMN MATERIAL TO BE A MATERIAL THAT'S PERMITTED.
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HAVE IT LISTED IN FRONT OF ME, UH, BUT IT SHOULD BE, UH, UH, STATED IN THERE AS TO IT IS AN INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL.IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, UH, LISTED.
I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ATEX, IF I'M CORRECT.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT A MATERIAL THAT IS LISTED, UM, IN THE UDO, UH, PROVIDE MATERIAL FOR THE U UM, TO BE USED FOR THE RAILINGS, BLISTERS AND HANDRAILS, UH, LABEL ALL THE EXTERIOR DOORS ON THE PLAN AND CONFIRM PROPOSED MATERIAL AND OPERATION OF THEM.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE LABEL ALL WINDOWS ON THE PLANS CON, UH, FORM PROPOSED MATERIAL AND OPERATION.
UH, IF FIXED WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, STORMER WINDOWS, THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED TO OPERABLE, UH, IDENTIFY ROOF MATERIAL TO BE SHOWN THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDO SECTION PROVIDED.
UM, PROVIDE FENCE DETAIL THAT INCLUDES SCALE DIMENSIONS TO SHOW THE FRONT YARD FENCE.
UH, IT'S NO TALLER THAN 42 INCHES AND I JUST REALIZE THAT, UM, THAT ONE, UM, IT, IT DOES PROVIDE THE DETAIL.
UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY ON, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIST SHOWN ON THE SURVEY.
SO THAT ONE, UM, IT, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
IT'S ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S AT 40, UH, INCHES.
SO, UM, WE'LL JUST NEED TO, UM, WE CAN, WHILE IF THE CONDITIONS LISTED, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT, IT IS ADDRESSED IN THERE.
UM, SHOW THE, UH, SHUTTER MATERIAL THAT'S BEING USED ON THE PLANS.
UH, PROVIDE AN UPDATED WALL SECTION, UH, THROUGH THE EVE DETAIL ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UM, THAT MATCHES THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, AND THEN UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MATCH THE MOST RECENT PLANS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS FOR A PREVIOUS, UH, VERSION OF THE HOUSE, UH, SHOW THE UPDATED TREE CANOPY CALCULATION TO MEET THAT 75% TREE CANOPY.
UM, AND THEN WE ALWAYS REQUIRE A TREE PERMIT FOR REMOVAL OF ANY TREES OVER 14 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
UH, ALSO FROM A DETERMINATION, UM, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER, SO I MIGHT NEED SOME ASSISTANCE FROM YOU GUYS.
UH, IS THE WINDOW COLUMN STAIRCASE CONFIGURATION ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ELEVATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THEN THE CONFIGURATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
SO YOU CAN APPROVE, UH, AS SUBMITTED APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
UH, I DO HAVE A MOTION HERE AND ALL THE CONDITIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU WANNA LOOK AT THOSE CONSIDERATIONS FIRST? UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SOMEWHERE I READ IN THERE, AND I, I MIGHT BE WRONG, THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE MAIN HOUSE BY LIKE TWO, 300 FEET.
UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT WAS A COMBINATION OF BOTH HEATED AND UNHEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THE LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE? YES.
UH, THE, UH, BRICK WALL AND POST UP FRONT, UH, THERE'S A FOUR FOOT, FOUR TALL POST ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL.
DOES THE POST NEED TO COMPLY OR JUST THE WALL SECTION? BETWEEN THE WALL SECTION.
POST CAN, CAN BE HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT IT'S THE ACTUAL, THE, THE HORIZONTAL PORTION OF IT IS THE OKAY.
SO THEY CAN HAVE A LOWER FENCE WITH, WITH A CAP TALLER POST, YEAH.
OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR NOW OR THE APPLICANT, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SHARED DRIVE AND THERE'S SEVERAL AREAS IN THE DISTRICT RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE AGREEMENTS AND ACTUALLY RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY THAT THERE'S A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE DRIVE.
I KNOW DOUG CORKER AND LAURA BARRETT'S OLD HOUSE ON LAWRENCE AS WELL AS FURTHER DOWN.
UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION DEFINITELY FOR THAT FAMILY TO GIVE, UM, APPROVAL.
UM, AND EVEN IF THEY DO, I THINK THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
'CAUSE THAT IS GOING TO DAMAGE THAT, THAT DIRT GRAVEL ROAD.
IS THAT GROUND ROAD, IS IT A SHARED EASEMENT? DO WE KNOW? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA DO THE RESEARCH AND FIND, FIND OUT THAT, OKAY.
SO AGAIN, IF IT, IF IT IS NOT, AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD A ADJUST THEIR DRIVEWAY TO, UM, BRIDGE STREET QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UH, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
UH, I OWN LOW COUNTRY CUSTOM BUILT HOMES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JOHN CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
CELEBRATE OUR 30 YEAR, UH, ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, BEEN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS.
UH, MY SON JUST JOINED THE COMPANY, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
SO MY DAUGHTER JUST GRADUATED FROM, UH, COLLEGE AND SHE STARTING IN AUGUST.
UH, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS AND BEEN DOING THIS A WHILE AND, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ALLOWED SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE NEIGHBOR, BUT WE,
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WE, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT EVERY NE EVERY NE EVERY NEIGHBOR WE BUILD IN, WE GET COMPLIMENT ON A CLEAN JOB SITE AND HOW, HOW WELL WE TAKE CARE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR SUBCONTRACTORS AND EVERYTHING.SO I KNOW THAT CAN JUST BE HERE, SPEAK, BUT I'M GIVING YOU MY WORD IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY AT THIS MEETING THAT WE WILL, WE'LL GIVE THIS LADY OUR CARD IF SHE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.
HER GRANDPARENTS, THEY CAN CALL WHERE OUR OFFICE IS HERE IN BLUFFTON AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, TWO SECONDS, EIGHT AND BUCK WALKER ROAD.
WE CAN BE THERE IN MINUTE IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM TO, TO HELP HER OUT.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I DO.
UH, THE, THERE'S ABOUT THREE FEET OF FALL, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ARE FROM THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER OF THE HOME TO THE BACK LEFT.
UH, THE ELEVATIONS ARE DRAWN WITH A FLAT GRADE LINE, AND THEN THE FIRST FLOOR IS NOT CALLED OUT BY, UM, HEIGHT ABOVE SEA LEVEL OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST FIVE FEET OFF OF THE FINISHED GRADE.
WHAT IS, WHERE ALONG THAT THREE FOOT SLOPE, DO YOU SEE THAT FIVE FEET EXPOSURE BEING IT, IS THIS GONNA BE EIGHT FEET OUT OF THE GROUND IN THE BACK RIGHT? OR CAN WE GO TO THE MIND IF I CAN I HIT THE SIDE? YEAH.
SO THERE'S A LOOP OF, OF 19 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL IN THE, KIND OF AROUND THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER OF THE PORCH.
AND THEN YOU GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 16 FEET IN THE BACK LEFT OR YEAH, BACK LEFT CORNER.
SO YOU DROP ABOUT FOUR FEET TO THIS POINT.
THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ELEVATIONS ON A FLAT ELEVATION, RIGHT? FLAT ELEVATION.
SO THEIR CONCERN IS THAT DIFFERENCE, THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? YEAH, WE CAN GET OUR DRAINAGE PLAN AND JUST HAVE JIM JUST UPDATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LINES ON THAT, ON THAT ELEVATION.
OUR PROBLEM WITH THE GRADING, THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.
I, I GUESS THE, I MEAN, FIVE FEET'S A LITTLE EXTRA HIGH.
UH, GIVEN THAT THAT THERE'S THAT MUCH FALL OFF OF IT, I THINK WE WOULD JUST KIND OF LIKE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR IS GONNA BE FIVE AND EIGHT OR IS IT TWO AND FIVE OR, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
WE'LL ADJUST THE ELEVATIONS TO MAKE SURE IT INDICATES THAT SLOPE FACTOR.
BUT IS, IS IT IF THOSE REAR STAIRS FOR INSTANCE, HAD TO HAVE AN EXTRA TREAD TO 'EM OR WHATEVER, WE'LL SHOW THAT AND WE'LL INDICATE IT ON THE ELEVATIONS AND THE PLANS.
SO AS YOU GO TO DO THAT, ARE YOU SETTING THE FRONT RIGHT CORNER OF THE HOUSE AT FIVE FEET ABOVE OR ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO ADJUST? WE'RE SETTING THAT'S TO THE FRONT.
SO IT'LL BE EIGHT FEET OUT IN THE BACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I HAD FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, TO SEE WITH THE FULL PLANS, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE REAR.
SO IS THERE A REASON THAT DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE SIX FOOT EIGHT AND THE ONES ON THE SECOND FLOOR ARE EIGHT FOOT ON THE REAR ELEVATION? UM, YOU HAVE SIX FOOT EIGHT WITH A TRANS TYPICALLY BE REVERSED.
WELL, WE GOT THE TRANSOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A TALLER DOOR AND YOU HAVE HIGHER CEILINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE SMALLER, SHORTER.
IS THERE A REASON YOU DO THAT? I THINK WHEN THE PRIMARY BEDROOM HAD TO GET MOVED UPSTAIRS, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE MADE THOSE LITTLE TALLER.
JUST FOR THE, FOR THE, YOU MAKE THOSE EIGHT FOOT, I GUESS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE TRANS, THE TRANSOMS COULD, THAT'D BE TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'D SEE.
I MEAN YOU'RE, IT'S I JUST ASKING IF THERE'S A REASON YOU, YOU DID THAT.
IT'S JUST BREAKING IT UP AND MAKING IT IS SORT OF BEING IN THE STATEMENT WITH THE TRANSOMS THAT'S ALL MORE GLASS.
YEAH, I MEAN WHEN YOU GET INTO 1 4 4 TRANSOMS, YOU REALLY DON'T GET MUCH GLASS ON THERE.
THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN HAVE.
IF YOU COULD MAKE IT ANY POINT, I KNOW MY CLIENTS WOULD NOT MIND THAT.
I THINK IF I, I'M I, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON ONE OF THE ORIGINAL LIST WE HAD.
THIS IS, I THINK THEY WANTED TRANSOMS ORIGINALLY, BUT WE COULD, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE EIGHT FOOT.
I THINK THAT, I MEAN AGAIN, THE ONE FOOT FOUR TRANSOMS LOOK REALLY WHEN GA GET THE GLASS, THERE'S NOT EIGHT INCHES OF GLASS.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE THREE QUARTER PANEL DOORS.
I THINK THE, JUST LOOK AT THE SECOND STORY, IF THOSE ARE FULL LIGHTS TO MAKE SURE THE PROPORTIONS OF THOSE LIGHTS ARE THE SAME, YOU MIGHT NEED TO ADD ANOTHER HORIZONTAL LIGHT IN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY TALL UP FRONT AND DOWN BELOW.
IF, IF YOU TRY TO GET THOSE PROPORTIONS
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CLOSER, SPEAKING OF HEIGHT, UM, THE SURROUND LIKE THE HOUSES NEAR YOU, LIKE THIS SEEMS LIKE A VERY TALL HOUSE.LIKE YOU'VE GOT SARAH HOOKS ACROSS THE STREET, YOU, THE HOUSE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF YOU, I KNOW IS LIKE A ONE STORY.
IS THAT COME INTO IS, IS THAT ANY KIND OF CONSIDERATION AT ALL THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LARGE MASS COMPARED TO EVERYTHING AROUND IT? WELL, THIS WAS THE THIRD DESIGN WE DRAWN FOR THE COMMITTEE AND WE WERE, AT FIRST WE HAD THE DR COULD DUE TO THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY TO TRY TO DO A DRIVE UNDER AND THAT WAS OUR MISTAKE.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE A FOUNDATION HIGHER THAN THE FIVE FEET, SO WE COMPLETELY REDESIGNED THE HOME.
UM, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO IT.
THIS IS OUR THIRD, YOU KNOW, GO ROUND.
SO, UM, BUT JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S THE ONLY THIRD THEY WANT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THIS IS THE MAXIMUM WE'RE AT, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, UH, JUST TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING IN AS TIGHT, AS TIGHT AS WE CAN.
LIKE I SAID, EVEN PUT THEIR PRIMARY BEDROOM UPSTAIRS, WHICH THEY REALLY DO NOT WANT TO DO.
I THINK WE, WE, WE'VE APPRECIATED THE CHANGES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE HOW YOU GUYS HAVE ADJUSTED THE DESIGN.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS WITH BEING FIVE FEET OUTTA THE GROUND IN THE FRONT, IS THERE A REASON WE'RE DOING THAT? IS THERE A REASON IT'S NOT FOR LIKE THREE, LIKE THE REST OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVEN THE SCALE OF IT RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS? I THINK IT WAS JUST TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE VIEW IN THE BACK VIEW.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE WHERE TO LOWER THE FRONT TO TWO AND GO TO, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, I, I'M CURIOUS THE HEIGHTS OF THE, AND I KNOW THE AREA AND THIS IS 30, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THIS HOUSE? WAS IT 30? THIS WASN'T THE 34.
SO IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THE HOUSES TO THE RIGHT.
THEY'RE SMALLER BUT THEY'RE STILL TWO STORY.
UM, OR A TALL 30, 35 ON THE SIDE.
I THINK IF YOU LOWERED THAT BY TWO FEET, I MEAN, I THINK IT, IT HELPS.
YOU DON'T WANNA OVERPOWER THAT STREET.
AND THAT STREET REALLY IS VERY ONE TO ONE AND A HALF STORY.
IF WE PUT THE FRONT AT THREE, THAT WOULD GET YOU TWO FEET OUT OF IT.
AND WHAT'S THE ORDINANCE THREE? SO, SO IF THE, OR SO IT ACTUALLY IS AT THREE THAT, THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT? YEAH.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
SO THAT WOULD, WE'D BE GOOD WITH THAT.
I THINK BECAUSE YOU HAVE A STORY AND A HALF ELEVATION ON THE FRONT, THE BEARING COMES DOWN LOWER.
IT'S NOT A FULL TWO STORY HOUSE.
UM, BUT IT IS IT, NO, THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN IT IS EXTRA HIGH OUT OF THE GROUND IN THE FRONT.
I MEAN TWO FEET WOULD I SAID SOMETHING ALONG INCLUDE IN THE CONDITIONS.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, TIM? NO, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE REAR ELEVATION, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE HANDS REAL QUICK.
THERE, SO RIGHT THERE IT SHOWS THE UPPER FINISHED FLOOR ON THAT LEFT SIDE.
AND THEN IF YOU SCAN YOUR EYES OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WHAT LOOKS TO BE THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH IS ABOVE THAT.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DOOR BEHIND IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PARAPET WALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR BACK PORCH.
ARE YOU SEEING THAT IT'S HIGHER UP THAN YEAH, THE ACTUAL LIKE A THREE FEET THERE, 3.6 MARKER OF THAT, OF THE FOOT DOWN.
WELL THAT THREE FOOT SIX MARKER GOES DOWN TO WHERE IT SAYS THE UPPER FINISHED FLOOR.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE, IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT HIGH AND IS THERE ANY DRAINAGE THAT COMES OUT OF THAT PORCH OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE FURTHER DOWN AT THAT LEVEL? TYPICALLY WE'D HAVE AT LEAST A TWO THREE INCH DROP FROM THE FINISH FLOOR DOWN TO THE PORCH LEVEL THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT'VE JUST GOTTEN STRETCHED AND THAT BOT THAT WHAT LOOKS LIKE A BAND MIGHT'VE, MIGHT BE WHERE THE FLOOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
I THINK THE BOTTOM OF THE BAND IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE TOP OF THE, THAT'S THE OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALL SEE THAT.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME TIME.
POOL ON THE SECOND PORCH DETAIL OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE A DETAIL THERE? THAT'D BE PRETTY IMPORTANT HOW THAT TRAINS OUT OF THERE.
THAT WAS A PRETTY POOR DETAIL.
SO WE'D, IT'D BE NICE TO INCLUDE A DETAIL OF THAT IN THE FINALS.
OH, THE WATER GETTING OUT THERE, RIGHT.
ASSUME IT'S DECKING, IS THAT WHAT IT IS?
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YES.SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE ON SLEEPERS AND WATER'S GOTTA GET OUT THERE, SO.
SO WE'LL NEED THE DETAIL OF HOW THAT HAPPENS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL NOTES.
UM, THE RAKE DETAIL IS SHOWING A CLOSED SOFFIT, BUT THE REST OF THEM ARE THE OPEN RAFTERS.
ASSUMING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR OPEN RAFTERS, IT'S SHOWN ALL OVER THE ELEVATIONS.
SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT UPDATED IN THE SUBMISSION TO STAFF.
UM, AND THEN THE COLUMN DETAIL HAS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMN DETAIL, YOU'VE GOT SOME TRIM ON THE SIDE CREATING KINDA LIKE A BAND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BEAM AND IT LOOKS LIKE A SANDWICH OF A BOARD BENEATH THE BEAM.
AND THEN A, SO IF YOU ZOOM INTO THAT HEAD SECTION ON THE RIGHT, UH, TOP RIGHT CORNER THERE.
IT'S TWO LITTLE, TWO BY TWO PIECES OF TRIM AND THEN A PIECE OF TRIM AND THEN ANOTHER PIECE OF TRIM.
SO THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SEAMS IN THERE.
IS THAT HOW YOU'RE INTENDING TO CONSTRUCT THAT? SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PARTS AND PIECES AND THERE THREE SEAMS THERE.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE DONE THAT TWO BY TWO DETAIL BOTTOM FREEZE BOARD FOR A LONG AND BEING FOR A LONG TIME.
SO JUST KIND OF LIKE OUR SIGNATURE HONESTLY.
AND THAT CLEANS UP WELL ENOUGH.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF SEAMS THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS THE NO, THAT WAS THE REST OF WHAT I HAD.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FURTHER? IF AND AND I, THE SUMMARY ITEMS THAT I HAD, AND LET ME JUST GO TO, I'LL GO TO THESE, UH, I MEAN MY TEXT SAID THEY DO HAVE A DEED FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO SEE IT, BUT THAT DRIVEWAY ACCESS JUST TO WHAT Y'ALL KNOW, BUT THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCESS SIDE PRIVATE YOU, THE ROAD YOU SAID DEED.
SO THERE IS NO EASEMENT THERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S SHOW THE ACCESS DOES.
AND IF I MAY, WE GOT A, WITH THAT RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN DO IF YOU WANT TO PUT A CONDITION ON THAT IS ENSURING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS PROPER ACCESS OFF OF THE, UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT'S A NAMED ROAD, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT IN THERE A CONDITION THAT IT BE APPROVED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT'S DELEGATING YOUR AUTHORITY TO A THIRD PARTY.
OR, YOU KNOW, GETTING INVOLVED IN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE A NEIGHBOR DISPUTE, NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR DISPUTE AS TO THE VALIDITY OF THE EXISTING ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL WITH HOW WE, HOW WE CORRECT THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE, UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE AND INJECT OURSELVES INTO A, UH, AN, A BOUNDARY DISPUTE OR AN ACCESS DISPUTE.
SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS AS A CONDITION, UM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PROPER ACCESS, AN APPEARANCE OF LEGAL VALID ACCESS OFF THAT.
CAN WE RECOMMEND A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OFF OF BRIDGE? CERTAINLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, IS THERE, IS THERE A PLAN FOR PARKING FOR CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND WORKER VEHICLES? I'M SORRY.
THAT WOULD BE THE HARD, THAT WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT THING IF WE DID ACCESS BRIDGE, LIKE TURN POINT, I MEAN WHERE WE, YOU CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES CAN GET ON THE SITE.
IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT I WOULD THINK COMING UP THE BRIDGE.
UM, I HAVE NOT MISSED THE QUESTION.
I'M JUST, I'M, YOU ASK WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, NORMALLY WE JUST HAVE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIRED YOUR GRAVEL ENTRANCE LIKE COMING IN OH, I MEAN FOR PARKING, LIKE FOR ALL THE, FOR ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS FOR THE WORKERS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO STREET PARKING IN THAT AREA.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S GONNA BE FUN.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.
I MEAN THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ONSITE PARKING.
SO THEY'LL JUST PARK ON THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT SIDE OF RIDGE STREET DOESN'T HAVE A CURB AT THIS POINT.
MAYBE IT WILL WHEN THEY DO THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT.
IS THERE, IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T COME IN WITH A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE BETWEEN THE BOLLARDS OF THE FENCE AND THE BRICK FENCE UP FRONT AND USE THAT AS A CONSTRUCTION ACCESS? WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD WAIT TO DO THE BRICK FENCE UNTIL I, TOWARDS THE END.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR GRAVEL THERE AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE.
YEAH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM.
SO WHEN THEY DO SUBMIT THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, THAT'S AN ITEM.
AGAIN, OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT REVIEWS THAT FOR COMPLIANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHERE THEIR, UH, ENTRANCE IS LOCATED AND ALL THE NECESSARY SILT FENCING, THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT AS A, THE
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SILT FENCING AS A CONDITION THAT, THAT'S ALREADY A REQUIREMENT.SO, UM, IF I COULD, I THINK, I THINK ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE, ON THE PROP ON HERE AND THEN, UM, TO UPDATE THE RACK DETAIL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER LEGAL ACCESS, UM, OFF OF THE ROADWAY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE, THE, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE OFF OF BRIDGE STREET.
UH, REMOVE THE TRANSOM, UH, ON THE REAR DOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO MAKE THEM EIGHT FOOT DOORS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVO, UM, CHANGE THE, THE, THOSE FOUR LIGHTS TO SIX LIGHTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR DOORS, UM, REDUCE THE FOUNDATION BY TWO FEET AND THEN PROVIDE A DECKING DETAIL AT THE REAR.
WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS THE TWO DETERMINATION ITEMS. OH YES.
UH, ONE IS THE STAIR AND THE OTHER IS THE, UH, WINDOW CONFIGURATION ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
UM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THERE? I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENT WAS THAT, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.
LEFT SIDE, MY, MY GUESS WOULD BE IT'S THE UPSTAIRS, UH, THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS THAT ARE KIND OF A PAIR OF CASEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT'S, YES, IT'S THE, THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS.
IS THAT, GIMME ONE SECOND HERE.
WHAT ARE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS AND NOSE WINDOWS? IS IT WHAT'S GOING? IT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE FRONT, BUT THEY OMITTED WINDOWS.
SO IF YOU FIND IT THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE, THEY HAVE A WALL SPLITTING IN ON THE INSIDE.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING? THERE'S A SHOWER WALL, BUT IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE WINDOWS IN THE FLOOR PLAN? YEAH.
OH, THAT DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS DIRECTLY OVER HERE.
THOUGHTS? I THINK HEAD ON IS PROBABLY MORE OF ISSUE.
THERE'S SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE HEAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE WINDOWS CAN MOVE OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT IS THAT RIGHT? SEVEN? IT SAYS SEVEN OVER THERE.
IT'S LESS THAN SEVEN IF YOUR EYE RUNS ACROSS.
IS THERE A REASON THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE SO LOW ON THE ELEVATION? NO, RIZ, THE GRAY.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST DRAWN LOWER THAN IT'S NOTED ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IF THAT WAS, WAS IT SEVEN FEET THEN IT'S TWO FEET HEAVY? YEP.
MORE LIKE UP AT EIGHT FEET IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? IT'S EITHER THEN YEAH.
THE WE UP OR THE HEADERS MOVED DOWN.
YOU DID EIGHT THEN YOU WHAT THEY DID THE DOOR, WHAT WE DID ORIGINALLY WAS MATCHED THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE DOOR.
AND THEN RAN IT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO THAT'S WHY THOSE WINDOWS ARE WHERE THEY'RE AT THE MOMENT.
I WOULD SAY ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 12 INCHES AND, AND SEE IF THAT DOESN'T HELP BALANCE THAT ELEVATION OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S BOTH ELEVATIONS FRY AND BACK.
SO BRING IT UP AND KEEP THE DOOR AT SEVEN.
DO YOU SEE THEM? I THINK IT'S, I THINK THAT'S FINE GIVEN THAT THE DOOR UNDERNEATH THE BRACKET OF ROOF APPROACH ON THE WINDOWS, THE DOOR AND WINDOWS.
SO WE'LL WANT TO INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO TO THE FRONT OF THAT THERE, ANY, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO THE WINDOWS NEED TO GET TALLER? IF THAT, THAT'S THE CASE.
THE WINDOWS STRETCH, YOU MOVE UP NOW YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF SPACE BETWEEN THE ROOF AND THE, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO GET ANY TALLER AND SKINNIER.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I YOU TO BRING THAT HEADER DOWN TO AP,
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THE PLAY HEIGHT OF THE DOOR.PLAY, NOT THAT I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER WAY THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER, BUT IT WOULD BE LOWERING YOUR CEILING IN THE BATHROOM BY A FOOT.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK CAN WE INCREASE THE OVERHANG ON, ON THE DOOR? YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THAT.
THE AMOUNT OF WALL YOU STILL HAVE THAT SPACE NO MATTER, ESPECIALLY YOU LOOK AT PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE TWO FEET BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE, UH, WINDOW AND THE BOTTOM OF THE RAFTER AT THIS POINT, WHATEVER.
I MEAN HONESTLY, WHATEVER Y'ALL LOT FOR US TO DO, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO SOLUTIONS.
I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
SO EITHER LOWER THE PLATE OR RAISE THE HEADLIGHT WINDOWS.
YOU CAN PROBABLY ROPE A LITTLE BIT AND NOT SACRIFICE TOO MUCH THE HEIGHT.
SO WE COULD LIKE SNEAK SIX INCHES OUT OF IT.
TO LOWER THE PLATE HEIGHT BY INCHES, INCHES, WINDOWS WHERE THEY ARE.
OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT OR COMMENTS? DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION, IT JUST, WE HAD UH, WINDOW COLUMN STAIRCASE CONFIGURATION ON LEFT ELEVATION OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE LEFT ELEVATION, THERE IS A STAIR THAT IS SET TO THE SIDE AGAINST THE COLUMN AND THERE'S A WINDOW THAT'S CENTERED BETWEEN THE COLUMNS.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ASKING SHOULD THAT THERE BE CENTERED IN BETWEEN THE COLUMNS OR NOT? OH, RIGHT HERE.
AND THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW'S NOT BEING CENTERED IN THE BAY.
JUST PUT, PUT, BRING THE RAILING OVER AND THEN JUST SHIFT THE NO PROBLEM.
OKAY, THEN THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER.
WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT DOWN THERE? NO JUDGE.
YOU WANT ME TO HAVE LET ME CONDITIONS PLUS? YEAH, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WERE LISTED, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT AS SHOWN ON, UM, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE UPDATING THE RACK DETAIL, UM, ENSURING PROPER LEGAL ACCESS OFF OF THE, THE SIDE ROAD AS WE REFER TO IT.
UH, THAT THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF OF BRIDGE STREET, REMOVE TRANSOM ON FIRST FLOOR REAR DOORS TO MAKE AN EIGHT FOOT DOOR.
UH, CHANGE THE FOUR LIGHTS TO SIX LIGHTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, DOORS ON THE REAR REDUCE FOUNDATION BY TWO FEET.
UM, LOWER, UH, PLATE HEIGHT ON CARRIAGE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SHIFT, UH, LEFT SIDE STAIRS, UH, ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO ALIGN, UH, WITH THE WINDOW PLACEMENT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? WHO'S, I'M SORRY.
[VII.7. 22 Bruin Road: A request by Greg Harrold, Applicant, on behalf of Bertha Wooten, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to construct a new 1-story single family residence of approximately 1,695 square feet with an attached Carriage House of approximately 697 square feet, to be located at 22 Bruin Road, in Old Town Bluffton Historic district and zoned Neighborhood General- HD District. (COFA-01-24-018816) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
NUMBER SEVEN, COFA 4 22 BRUIN ROAD.WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, UM, WITH, UM, I'VE GOT THE WRONG INFORMATION ON HERE.
THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT, UH, JOHN, I THOUGHT I HAD UPDATED, UH, GREG HAROLD, UH, FOR BERTHA WOOTEN.
SO PLEASE EXCUSE ME ON THAT ONE.
IT MUST HAVE NOT CHANGED OVER HERE.
UH, SO THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY, UM, 1,696 SQUARE FEET AND AN ATTACHED ONE STORY GARAGE, WHICH IS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FOR 688 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED AT 22 BRUIN ROAD.
UH, IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.
YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE ZONING MAP THAT THAT IS LOCATED
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HERE OFF OF BRUIN, BETWEEN MAIDEN LANE AND PRITCHARD STREET.AND IT IS UN UNDEVELOPED LOT AT THIS TIME.
HERE'S JUST A PHOTO OF THE SITE.
UH, THIS IS JUST AN IMAGE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, WE HAVE THE, THE FRONT OF THE, UH, THE BUILDING OFF OF BRUIN, UH, TAKING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR, UH, WHERE THE, THAT CONNECTED CARRIAGE HOUSE OR GARAGE GARAGES BACK THERE.
UH, THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THE COMMENTS I HAVE, UH, FURTHER, FURTHER ON IS THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO MATCH, UH, WHAT THE PLANS ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THE PLANS DO SHOW ACCESS OFF OF THE FRONT.
UM, AND THEN THIS PLAN JUST HAS IT SHOWN ON ACCESS OFF OF THE, THE SIDE OF THE PORCH.
SO THERE'S JUST A MINOR UPDATE.
UM, NOTHING MAJOR AT THAT POINT.
UH, HERE IS YOUR FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, THE REAR ELEVATION, UM, TO THE SIDE.
OBVIOUSLY THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS TOWARDS THE LEFT, UH, SIDE ELEVATION, UH, WITH THE SERVICE YARD.
AND THEN THAT LEFT ELEVATION, UH, SHOWING THE GARAGE DETAIL.
UH, SO WE HAVE THE FOUR RIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA LISTED, UH, SPECIFICALLY WITH NUMBER TWO.
UH, WE HAVE SOME CONDITIONS, UH, AND THAT IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS IN THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE SECTION.
UH, ELIMINATE THE CORNER WINDOW ON THE REAR ELEVATION OR RECONSIDER WINDOW PLACEMENT, UH, TO SPACE, THE REAR BATHROOM WINDOWS IN A LOGICAL MANNER.
UH, THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE SECTION LISTED.
UM, AND THEN IF, UH, ELECTRICAL METERS ARE BEING PLACED IN THE SERVICE YARD, THAT THE GATE MUST BE REMOVED.
UM, UH, IF ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL METERS ARE LOCATED, LOCATED ELSEWHERE IN PUBLIC VIEW THAT THEY NEED TO BE SCREENED.
AND THIS IS A REQUIREMENT FROM, UH, BOTH DOMINION AND, UM, SEG, OR ACTUALLY PALMER HILL ELECTRIC, EXCUSE ME, DOMINION WAS SEG.
UM, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE, UM, FREE ACCESS TO ELECTRICAL PANELS, UH, AND METERS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN'T HAVE IT BEHIND ANY GATES WHATSOEVER.
EVEN IF THE GATE IS UNLOCKED, IT CAN'T BE THERE.
SO, UH, THAT'S AN ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS, IS IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN REVISE THE REAR PORCH, UH, POST SPACING, UH, THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE.
UH, PROVIDE THE, UH, MATERIALS, UH, TO BE USED FOR THAT PORCH.
UH, REMOVE THE FIXED WINDOW ON THE PORCH GABLE, UM, OR, AND CHANGE THE FIXED WINDOW IN THE REAR ELEVATION TO BE OPERABLE.
UM, CHANGE THE MATERIAL, UH, FOR THE REAR PORCH, FRENCH DOORS TO BE WOOD, UH, METAL OR CLAD.
UM, PROVIDE THE WATER CORNER BOARD DETAILS, PROVIDE FREEZE MATERIALS, CHANGE THE SOFFIT TO EITHER BE BEAD OR GROOVED, UM, THE BEAD OR V GROOVED TONGUE AND GROOVE.
UH, DEMONSTRATE THE 75% TREE CANOPY.
UM, THEN, UM, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE FOR, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE TREE, UH, REMOVAL PERMIT THAT THEY PROVIDE THE TREES TO BE REMOVED AND THEIR, UH, BREAST HEIGHT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, THE ACTIONS ARE TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UH, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, AND, UH, WE CAN, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS, UH, IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THIS, BUT THE ELECTRIC METER REQUIREMENT, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT ON EVERYTHING INCLUDING COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ALWAYS, YEAH.
AND SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO, AND, AND WE'LL PICK THAT UP DURING, OBVIOUSLY WE PICK IT UP DURING BILLING PERMIT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, AT, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR MEPS ARE, ARE, ARE, HAVE GONE THROUGH, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING BIG COMMERCIAL PROJECTS WITH THE ELECTRIC METER AND WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.
IT HAS TO BE SCREENED, BUT IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE HAVING YOUR SERVICE YARD, UH, AND YOUR METERS HAPPEN TO BE IN THERE, THEN YES, YOU, I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL SCREEN WITHOUT HAVING A, A GATE LIKE AN AIRPORT.
AND IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT YOUR, LET'S SAY THAT YOUR ELECTRICAL METER WAS UP TOWARDS THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY, YOU COULD EASILY PUT A PANEL, UH, YOU KNOW, OFF THE SIDE TO, TO SCREEN IT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ROADWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MICHELLE? SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY SEEN ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THESE CONDITIONS.
HOW MANY OF THESE HAVE, THEY HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THEY ARE, HAVE COMPLETED OR, UM, HAVE PROVIDED LIKE THE CHIMNEY DETAILED REVISING THE REAL PORCH? I MEAN, THESE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE US TONIGHT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST MISSING IMPORTANT DETAILS.
YEAH, IT'S THE, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE ELEVATIONS, WE NEED TO, AGAIN, FROM THE DETAIL STANDPOINT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY DO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
WHY DO YOU THINK WE KEEP GETTING THESE SAME, THESE SAME ISSUES KEEP COMING UP? DO YOU THINK THEY'RE NOT READING THE
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UDO? DO YOU THINK IT'S AN ARCHITECT NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE UDO? UM, I, I THINK EVERYTHING YOU'VE STATED IS, IS CORRECT.UM, AND THAT'S A MORE GENERALIZED TERM WHERE WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS ARE PROVIDED AT THE HPRC COMMENTS AND THEN SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT, ARE NOT ADDRESSED, BROUGHT OVER TO THE FINAL.
AGAIN, THIS WAS WHEN I WAS GONNA KIND OF PREACH, BUT EVAN'S TAKEN IT FROM ME, SO I'M GLAD, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO MUCH TO BRING AND THEN TO THROW BACK AT YOU.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU HAVE ANOTHER MONTH OF HPC, CORRECT? UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THIS SIDE'S FAULT THAT THINGS ARE DELAYED WHEN THIS HAPPENS.
SO MAYBE ADMINISTRATIVELY, MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAY NEW, WE KNOW SOMEONE NEW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NEW BUILDER, A NEW ARCHITECT.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME UPFRONT THAT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH HPC SAYING THIS CANNOT COME TO THE COMMISSION, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY THINGS TO EVEN CLEARLY GIVE YOU A GOOD MOTION.
SO, UM, I'M KIND OF PREACHING.
BUT AWARE, WELL, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED STAFF WAS WORKING ON A BETTER CHECKLIST.
THE REVIEW AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A BIG JUMP IN DE LEVEL OF DETAIL BETWEEN HVRC AND THIS SUBMISSION.
AND THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS END UP BEING WHAT'S MISSING.
AND WE, WE DO PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR 22 BREWING AT THIS MOMENT, BUT YES, THAT'S A HIGHER LEVEL.
UM, AND WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
SO AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, IF THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS AND I, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON THIS WHEN IT IS THEIR, THEIR, UM, TIME TO DO SO, BUT WANTING TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE THEY HAVE ALREADY EXECUTED.
UM, SO IF I MAY, I THINK THE, SO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS, UM, ARE PROVIDED, UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE WE ARE, WE REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW OKAY.
MULTIPLE ITEMS OR WASN'T THAT WHEN KATIE PEARSON WAS STILL HERE? YEP.
ARE THE LEFT TALKING WITH CARLITA, THE LEFT SIDE WHERE YOU SAY ROOF LINE AND THEIR CHECK MARKS? IS THAT STAFF OR IS THAT NO, THAT'S THAT THOSE ARE, I THINK, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE COMMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD SAID.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO PRESENT? YES.
UM, THIS IS KINDA THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS LIST HERE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE WAS INITIAL ONE BACK IN, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT I WORKED ON AND, AND SOMEBODY ELSE SUBMITTED IT, THEN I TOOK AND KIND OF REDESIGNED THE HOUSE AND MADE THE CHANGES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT ARE LISTED BY STAFF? PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS AND THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS AND RANGE STRUCTURE DRAWINGS IF IT MORE HELPFUL, SCROLL UP AND DOWN.
SO WHEN IT SAID PROVIDE, UH, I LIKE THAT LIST, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS.
SO IT SAYS UDDY THE ROOF LINE AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS, RIGHT.
LEFT ELEVATIONS OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO COMPLY WITH WINDOW SECTIONS.
IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS, THEY'RE BIG BLANK WALLS IS WHAT ISSUE IS.
AND THERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO PUT WINDOWS IN THOSE BEDROOMS. YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S BIG BLANK WALL IN THE LEFT.
SO, UM, ONE COULD BE PUT IN THE LEFT AS YOU SEE THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION.
THE RIGHT SIDE'S ALSO THE SAME THING.
THOSE ARE BEDROOMS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY EASILY PUT A WINDOW IN THERE.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE BIG BLANK WALLS.
UM, I KNOW THE OTHER REASON I, YEAH, THE REASON I DID ON THE OTHER ONE 'CAUSE OF THE MASTER BEDROOM,
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UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRONT SIDE OF IT'S ALL WINDOWS AND IF YOU PUT WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE I WAS THINKING OF FURNITURE WISE AT ALL.YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A WALL TO PUT A BED UP AGAINST UNLESS IT'S STRAIGHT UP AGAINST THE WINDOW.
WELL, WELL, I LOOKED AT THAT PLAN AND I THINK IT, AND I'VE SEEN HOUSES WITH THAT.
I THINK THOSE TWO WINDOWS DO WORK WITH EVEN A KINGS SIZE BED WITH IT, WITH SIDE TABLES.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, ADDING THERE WINDOWS THERE, EVEN ONE THAT'S BACK THERE TO HELP THAT.
I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE IN THOSE BEDROOM LOOKING AT IT.
SIMON, I COULD ADD, YOU KNOW, ONE WIN ONE WINDOW ON EACH SIDE IN EACH BEDROOM.
ELIMINATE THE CORNER WINDOW IN THE REAR ELEVATION OR RECONSIDER WINDOW OF PLACEMENT.
I ASSUME YOU'RE PROBABLY REFERRING TO ONE IN THE, THIS GUY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, A BATHROOM, I MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A WINDOW THERE.
THE ONE WINDOW IS VERY FOREIGN.
IT'S, IT'S A BIG SHUTTER, SINGLE SHUTTER AND THE DIVIDES ARE, ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN EVERYWHERE ELSE.
THAT CAN, THAT CAN BE ELIMINATED.
UM, ELECTRIC METERS PLACE THE SERVICE GATE MUST, THAT'S THE SERVICE YARD.
UM, I MEAN I ASSUME YOU WANT DIMENSIONS AND STUFF.
YEAH, THE ARRESTER METAL ARRESTER HAS TO BE SCREENED, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, WHETHER IT'S A ARCH OR SOMETHING, DISCRE THE CASE BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS IT'S NOT SHOWN THERE'LL BE A METAL ARRESTER AND THAT CAN'T BE EXPOSED BASICALLY.
UM, REVISED REPORTS, UM, SPACING ON THE POST.
UH, I KIND OF, I TRIED TO ADD ANOTHER ONE THERE, BUT IF I PUT ANOTHER ONE THERE, THEN IT'S KIND OF, AND EQUALLY SPACE THEM, IT'S KIND OF IN FRONT OF THE KITCHEN WINDOW, BUT NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE KITCHEN WINDOW.
SO I KIND OF WEIRD WHEN I DREW THAT UP, BUT IT LOOKED BETTER JUST LEAVING SPACE LIKE THAT.
BUT HOW FAR OFF ARE YOU, DO YOU KNOW? WELL, I MEAN, COULD YOU ADD ANOTHER POST CLOSE TO IT SO THERE'RE DOUBLE POSTS IN THE MIDDLE OR LIKE A DOUBLE POST RIGHT THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, I COULD ADD A, I COULD ADD A, A SINGLE YEAH.
I, MY THOUGHT FIRST THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, TRY TO KEEP EQUALLY SPACED, BUT THAT DIDN'T, YEAH.
WE, I MEAN WE APPRECIATE TYPICALLY WORK OUT THAT WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION A LOT.
IT'S JUST KIND OF ONE OF THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS IN THE UDO AND YOU JUST KIND OF NEED TO MAKE IT WORK.
UM, AND THAT, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ALL OF THE TIME.
PROVIDE MATERIAL TO BE USED IN THE PORCH POST.
YEAH, SO JUST THE, WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING THE DETAILS, LIKE SPECIFICALLY LISTING OUT WHAT MATERIALS YOU'RE BEING USED RIGHT THERE.
UM, MOVED A FIXED WINDOW IN THE PORCH GABLE AND CHANGED FIXED WINDOW IN THE REAR.
SO NO WINDOW IN THE CABLE THEN? YEP.
IT'S NOT BIG DEAL TO MOVE THAT.
AND THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS A FIXED WINDOW? I BELIEVE SO.
I, I MEAN IF THAT, IS THAT LIKE A SASH SET WINDOW, LIKE CASEMENT OR IS THAT A DIRECT SET? SMALL FRAME? I MEAN, I THINK IF IT'S A SMALL, IF IT'S A FIXED WINDOW, IF IT'S FIXED, BUT SASH SET LIKE A, LIKE A CASEMENT WINDOW AND IT HAS THAT THICKER FRAME TO IT, I THINK THAT I WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH KEEPING THAT WINDOW.
I MEAN, IT'S, TO ME, IT LOOK A LITTLE, IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE BLAND IF YOU REMOVE IT, BUT RIGHT.
AND AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE, I THINK AS LONG AS IT LOOKS LIKE AN OPERABLE WINDOW AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT FUNCTION HERE, I THINK WE, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS AN, AS A DETERMINATION BY US.
SO IF YOU SAID TO CHANGE, WE CAN CHANGE TO, TO A OPERABLE.
OPERABLE, IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE AN OPERABLE, IT CAN'T BE DIRECT SET IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
DIRECT SET WOULD HAVE A SMALLER SASH GROUND.
IT, YOU KNOW, A CASEMENT PICTURE, YOU HAVE THOSE STRONGER THOUGHTS OTHER MM-HMM.
SO FOR THE FRENCH DOOR, IT'S JUST THE MATERIAL WISE, IT NEEDS TO BE EITHER THE WOOD METAL OR, OR METAL CLAD THAT'S LISTED IN THERE.
AND THEN PROVIDING THE DETAILS OF YOUR WATERBOARDS, UM, THE FREEZE MATERIAL, PROVIDING THE DETAILS AND ALSO
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DETERMINE, UH, WHICH IS IT, UM, CHANGE THE SFA TO BEAD OR V GROOVE, TONGUE AND GROOVE, SO, OKAY.THE TREE CANOPY WORK ON THAT ONE.
UM, AND THEN THE LIST OF TREES, I THINK THE, THE NUMBER ONE CONDITION, I THINK THAT'S THE, WHERE WE HAD SOME CONCERNS WAS THE, THE ROOF.
SO, UM, WHERE AGAIN RECENTLY THE ROOF TO BE LESS COMPLEX.
UM, AND WE'LL JUST GO TO THE, THERE'S YEAH, IT'S A LOT OF ROOF.
I THINK IF WE COULD GET TO WHERE THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE HAD THE HIP ROOF ON IT AND THAT BACK PORCH WAS A LOWER SLOPE ROOF THAT LEANED AGAINST IT.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE LITTLE NIB BEHIND THE CHIMNEY THAT WOULD A ROOF INSTEAD OF A COMING OFF THE PORCH TREE BE WITH A LOWER, LIKE A, SHE, IT COULD BE STILL BE HIP, BUT IF WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT NIB THAT COMES UP BEHIND THE CHIMNEY AND JUST HAVE THAT FRONT ROOF BE SIMPLE, YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE THAT STRAIGHT RAZOR GOING ACROSS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LITTLE BUMP UP IF YOU BACK PORTION MAKE IT A LOWER RIGHT THERE BEHIND, BEHIND THE CHIMNEY.
IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT GO STRAIGHT ACROSS, I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY INTO SIMPLIFYING A ROOF FORM.
JUST HAVE A LOWER PITCH OVER THAT SCREEN PORTION THAT, SO IT CAPTURED UP ABOVE THE MAIN, THE WHICH ONE.
SO YEAH, THAT, CAN YOU GO DOWN ON JUST A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
SO IF, IF YOU MAKE THAT A LOWER PITCH ROOF, YOU COULD CAPTURE THAT UNDER THAT MAIN ROOF OF THE, THAT'S OVER THE PORCH IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
YOU'D GET ONE LARGE HIP OFF OF THAT MAIN RECTANGLE AND THEN THE PORCH WOULD, PORCH ROOF WOULD JUST DIE INTO IT ON THE BACKSIDE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT, THAT CHANGE THE SLOPE NEXT TO THAT ONE THERE, WHICH IS JUST CHANGE THE SLOPE OVER THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S THE BACK HIP, IS THIS GONNA BE, THE SLOPES GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
BUT THE IDEA IS TO CAPTURE ON THAT MAIN BRIDGE, YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE FOLLOW UP.
DOES THAT MAKE MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YEAH.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THIS? YEP.
JUST THIS, I THINK THAT THAT, SO IT COMES IN, SAY DOWN THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT THE RIDGE WHERE IT HITS THAT ROOF IS BEHIND THAT, THAT RIDGE, RIGHT.
THOSE WERE ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAD LISTED.
UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ITEMS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY UNDER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UNDER THE CONDITIONS, LEMME GET BACK OVER TO IT REAL QUICK.
UM, WHERE WE HAVE CHANGE, OH WAIT, HOLD ON ONE.
UM, WHERE IT SAYS, UH, REMOVE THE FIXED WINDOW ON THE PORCH GABLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SAY, UH, CHANGE TO OPERABLE WINDOW, UM, OR, OR THE APPEARANCE OF AN OPERABLE WINDOW CHANGE TO OPERABLE OR APPEARANCE.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? IS THERE ANOTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE THAT? OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION AS STATED.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I, I DID HAVE, THERE WAS ONE OTHER POINT IN HERE, SORRY, ON MY NOTES, UM, THAT WASN'T IN THE STAFF COMMENTS AND THAT WAS AT THE, THE BEAM COMM COLUMN ALIGNMENT.
UM, THE BEAM IS WIDER THAN THE COLUMN THAT SITS ON, UM, AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE UDO THAT THOSE BE EQUAL.
THAT'S FIVE POINT 15.6 H AND THAT WAS ON THE DETAIL SHEET AT THE END OF THE PACKET HERE.
SO THE COLUMN OR THE BEAM IS WIDER THAN THE NECK OF THE COLUMN BENEATH IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION.
THAT, UM, THAT'S BE, YOU'RE SAYING FLUSH WITH THE COLUMN, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE BEAM AND THE WIDTH OF THE COLUMN BE THE SAME.
UM, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE TO STILL HAVE A, A CAP AROUND IT.
YEAH, YOU STILL HAVE A CAP, BUT THE BEAM, THE FACE OF THE BEAM SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE FACE OF THE COLUMN.
DO WE NEED, SO I THINK I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND A MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS MOTION TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION, WHICH IS,
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UH, MOTION TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS, UH, MOTION, UM, TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT THE, UH, WIDTH OF THE BEAM AND THE NECK OF THE COLUMN, UH, MATCH AS REQUIRED BY THE UDO 5 15 6 H SECOND.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT? AYE.
AND NOW WE MAKE, NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE.
SORRY, I'VE BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED.
ALL
ALL IN FAVOR OF BEING THE DEMOTION.
UH, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION IS PASSED.
WE, WE'LL WRITE IT UP AND SEND IT TO YOU.
WE HAVE NUMBER ITEM NUMBER EIGHT,
[VII.8. 42 Wharf Street: A request by John Montgomery, Applicant and Property Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow construction of a new 2-story Single Family structure of approximately 2,120 square feet and 2-story Carriage House of approximately 1,120 square feet located at 42 Wharf Street. The property is within Old Town Historic District and is zoned Neighborhood General-Historic District. (COFA-04-24-019070) (Staff - Sam Barrow)]
UH, COFA FOR 42 WHARF STREET.UM, SO WE HAVE A REQUEST, UH, THIS EVENING FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT, JOHN MONTGOMERY.
UH, THIS IS TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OF APPROXIMATELY 2,120 SQUARE FEET AND A DETACHED, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,120 FEET LOCATED AT FOUR TWO WHARF STREET.
AND THAT'S IN ZONED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE, UM, OFF OF WHARF STREET.
UH, FROM SITE PLAN STANDPOINT, LEMME MAKE THIS, THERE WE GO.
UH, YOU CAN SEE AGAIN THE, UH, HOUSE LOCATED AT THE FRONT CARRIAGE HOUSE IS IN, IN THE REAR.
UM, HERE'S THE PROVO PROPOSED ELEVATION FOR THE LEFT SIDE, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE WHILE THE, THE TWO, UH, IMAGES WERE PROVIDED IN THE, UH, IN THE REPORT WHERE THEY SHOWED, IT'S LIKE THEY LOOK REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY 30 FEET APART, SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THEY ARE NOT FROM A PROXIMITY STANDPOINT, THEY'RE NOT AS CLOSE AS THEY APPEAR.
UH, THERE'S THE RIGHT ELEVATION, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATIONS OF BOTH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE, UH, VEIN STRUCTURE AND REAR REAR ELEVATION OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT LOCKS UP ON ME.
SO WE HAVE THE FOUR, UH, REVIEW CRITERIA ALSO, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
WE HAVE SOME STAFF CONDITIONS.
UM, SO, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE, PROVIDE THE SERVICE YARD DETAILS, UH, THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDO REQUIREMENTS.
UH, REVISE THE CHIMNEY TO COMPLY WITH THE UDO REQUIREMENTS, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED.
UM, IDENTIFY THE HOGS PIN MATERIAL TO BE USED, UH, ON THE CARRIAGE HOUSE TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDO.
UM, IDENTIFY THE MATERIAL FOR THE DOORS TO BE USED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, FRONT FACADE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE UDO.
UM, AND THEN THE DOORS MUST MATCH THE DOOR SCHEDULE, UH, AND THEN CHANGE THE SLIDER DOOR TO BE A PERMITTED DOOR OPERATION.
UM, AND IF THE WINDOW SCHEDULE IS TO INCLUDE ALUMINUM WINDOWS INSTEAD OF VINYL, UPDATE THE WINDOWS SCHEDULE.
UM, IDENTIFY THE GAUGE OF THE GUTTERS THAT ARE SHOWN.
IDENTIFY THE MATERIAL OF THE FENCE PROPOSED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, REMOVE THE CLOSED SHUTTER, UM, FROM THE LEFT ELEVATION, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO DISCUSS THAT ONE.
UH, PROVIDE THE MATERIALS TO USE FOR THE FASCIA AND SOFFITS.
UM, PROVIDE THEM, UH, DETAILED FOR THE LOUVERED SKIRTING.
UH, UPDATE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MATCH THE MOST RECENT SITE PLAN, UH, FOOTPRINTS OF BOTH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND PAR SHELLS, UH, CONFORMANCE WITH A 75% TREE CANOPY, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.
UH, WITH THAT YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
YOU CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION.
HAPPY TO GO BACK AND, UH, DISCUSS ANY OF THESE ITEMS YOU MAY HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO, YES.
THIS THING LOOKS REALLY TALL TO ME, INCLUDING THE HEIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY.
HOW TALL IS IT? LET'S DO THIS.
I'M JUST THINKING IN RELATION TO WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AROUND IT.
SO, UM, 29, 29 5 IS TO THE RIDGE AND UNFORTUNATELY GUESSTIMATE
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A LITTLE BIT.THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER THREE AND A HALF TO FOUR FEET, UH, TO THE, TO THE TOP.
NOW PERCES ARE ALLOWED TO BE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
UM, SO WE, OUR FOCUS IS ALWAYS ON THE RIDGE LINE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S AT THE 29.5.
UM, IF, IF I MAY, UH, WHILE WE'RE KIND OF SITTING HERE, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD WAS THIS, UM, CLOSED WINDOW STRUCTURE THAT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, A, A FAUX ARCHITECTURAL, UM, ELEMENT, UH, WHICH THE UDO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE ENTIRE, UH, INTENT IS, UM, NOT NATURAL MATERIALS.
I'M TRYING TO, UH, USE MY WORDS HERE, BUT, UM, PRACTICAL, ACTUAL, YES.
UM, SO I WORRY YOU ON NUMBER ITEM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
SO IT IS JUST, UH, I THINK THAT ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS JUST THAT IT, IT, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
IF ANYTHING, UH, THERE IS A STAIRCASE BEHIND THAT, WHICH IS WHY THAT THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WINDOW PLACED RIGHT THERE.
UH, JUST 'CAUSE IT WOULD LITERALLY BE THROUGH THE, THE RISE OF THE WIND OF THE STAIRS.
UM, THE OTHER ONE I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, IS THE LOUVERS, THE FISH.
UH, UM, ONE OF 'EM THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS, UM, AT THE REAR, UM, FOR THE WATER TABLE HERE, YOU CAN SEE AT THAT REAR, UH, PORTION OF IT DOES NOT EXTEND ACROSS TO AND WHERE THE BEAD AND BATTEN, UM, JUST, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN, EXCUSE ME, JUST DROPS DOWN TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM.
SO JUST UPDATING THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND I'M RAMBLING AT THIS POINT AND HAPPY TO LET YOU GUYS, UH, ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE FOR STAFF? YOU DIDN'T MENTION THE, I'M SORRY.
THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SIM BAG, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EQUAL IF NOT HIGHER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE.
IS THAT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE YOU MENTION THAT IN THE CORRECT AND I, FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT I HAD A PLAN THAT, UM, SH LOOKING AT TWO PREVIOUS ONES WE'VE LOOKED AT, I WROTE IT DOWN.
UM, THE PRITCHER STREET WAS NINE FEET AND EIGHT FEET.
SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT, UM, THE, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS AT 26 FEET, UM, ON THAT REAR, ON THE REAR ELEVATION.
SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVE THE FRONT, THE FRONT AT 29, THE REAR IS AT 26, AND THEN FOR THE CARRIAGE HOUSE YOU'RE AT 25 5.
SO IT'S ONLY A FEW INCHES OFF.
UM, BUT THINKING OF THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT, AND, AND I'M NEW, SO I'LL GO TO Y'ALL, BUT IS THAT, IS IT THE MASS TOO BIG FOR THAT? LOOKING ON A YARD BEHIND THEM? SHOULD IT BE A NINE AND EIGHT TO LOWER IT, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE IT NOT LOOK LIKE IT'S OVERBEARING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND MORE SOUTH AND WEST OF THEM.
THE, THE, THE NINE FOOT PLATE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND 10 FOOT PLATE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FEELS A LITTLE ODD.
TYPICALLY, YOU HAVE IT BE A TALLER PLATE HEAD ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND LOWER ON THE SECOND.
WE'VE, WE'VE PUSHED BACK ON THE HEIGHT OF SIMILAR CARRIAGE HOUSES IN THE PAST.
UM, THE NINE'S PRETTY TYPICAL.
UM, FACT, THEY CAN GET A, MOST OF THEM ARE EIGHT OR LESS, IF NOT KIND OF LIKE THE MAIN HOUSE IS DOWN AT SIX WITH A SLOPE UP.
UM, IT'S A VERY TALL CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THE MAIN HOUSE, I THINK IT LOOKS TALL, BUT IT'S REALLY KIND OF A SKINNY PROPORTION.
IT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE HOUSES, COLORFUL HOUSES DOWN THE STREET THERE, TWO STORIES.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH A REALLY SIMILAR SCALE FOR THE MAIN HOUSE.
BUT THIS CARRIAGE HOUSE IS QUITE TALL.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PLATE HEIGHT BROUGHT DOWN AT LEAST A FOOT.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU CAN LEAVE THE BRACKETS AND THE BRACKETED ROOF OVER THE DOOR, UM, OR OVER THAT BALCONY OVER THERE.
BUT YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED IT ON THIS ELEVATION OR YOU PULL IT DOWN AND ELIMINATE THE TRANSOM.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC YEAH, ONE FOOT FOUR AND IT'S JUST WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE MM-HMM
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EIGHT INCHES OF GLASS IN THERE AND IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT DOES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD LOWER THAT PLATE AND GET RID OF THE TRANSOM AND I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BETTER.
WELL, UH, WOULD WE LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER INTO THIS QUESTION? YEAH, WE ARE KIND OF ONTO THAT.
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I HAVE JOHN MONTGOMERY, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE PLAY HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT? DO YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND? UM, FOR JUST THE, THE, FOR THE SECOND STORY THERE, HOW TALL IT IS? YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A, THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM OUR ARCHITECT FOR, UH, FOR A PROPERTY THAT HE BUILT OVER IN HA HA HABERSHAM.
UH, SO IT WAS BASED OFF OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID LOOK AT IT THAT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE DOES HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND SO WE DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND IT DOES, IT DOES MEET THOSE NEEDS.
UH, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, UH, TO THE NORTH ALSO HAS A CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, TWO STORIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GOES IN VERY WELL.
AND THEN THE MAIN HOUSE ACTUALLY LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE.
SO I THINK IT FITS IN PRETTY WELL.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO WE SHARE, UM, SHARE A FENCE WITH, UM, FENCE IS IN BAD SHAPE, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT AND IT'LL BE REPLACED WITH WOOD.
IT'S KIND OF FALLEN OVER RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE IS A FENCE THAT EXISTS THERE.
UM, BUT THERE IS PRETTY GOOD TREE COVERAGE THERE AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S A LARGE, UM, OAK TREE IN THE BACK, WHICH WE ARE PRESERVING.
IT'S, IT'S MORE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD, BUT IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CARRY OVER THERE.
SO IT DOES SHADE IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S NOT JUST THIS STARK BUILDING THAT'S UP, UP, UH, BEHIND THE FENCE.
SPEAKING ABOUT YOUR LIVE OAK, I NOTICED ON THE ARBORIST REVIEW IT SAYS THAT THAT PARTICULAR LIVE OAK IN THE BACK IS, CAN BE VULNERABLE TO CONSTRUCTION.
IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WE OUTLINED HOW WE'RE GONNA PUT FENCING AROUND THE TREES TO PROTECT IT.
I ALSO HAD AN ARBORIST COME OUT AND EXPECT, INSPECT ALL OF THE TREES, AND SHE PUT IN A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE LAUREL OAK.
UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE.
WHAT IS THE THOUGHT, UH, BEHIND NOT PRESERVING THAT LAUREL OAK THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY WELL SEPARATED FROM YEAH.
THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE.
UH, WELL IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE BEST HEALTH, BUT ALSO FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT FROM THE NORTH, UH, SHE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT TREE BECAUSE A BIG BRANCH CAME OVER AND KNOCKED THE FENCE DOWN OFF THAT TREE.
AND SO I'M WORRIED THAT IF WE START BUILDING AROUND THAT IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO FALL ON THE NEW STUFF.
AND SO I WAS REALLY JUST TRYING TO APPEASE HER AND SHE REALLY WANTED IT TO BE GONE, TO BE FRANK.
UM, SO THAT WAY IT PROTECTS HER PROPERTY FROM GETTING ANY DAMAGE.
ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY TO THE YEAH.
ARBORIST REPORT, WHICH WAS KIND OF LIKE CONSTRUCTION COULD MAKE IT YEAH.
NO, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT HAD BRANCHES FALL OVER CUSTOM DAMAGE TO A PROPERTY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP HER HAPPY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE? YEAH, I CAN GO TO THE MAIN ELEVATIONS.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON NOW IS THE SIDE ELEVATION, UH, THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
SO IT, IT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN THE, UM, HPRC IS THAT THE PI THAT ARE IN THE SCREEN PORCH? MM-HMM
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LEFTOVERS OR WHERE THERE WERE ONCE PORCH COLUMNS.
SO CAN WE ELIMINATE THOSE AND JUST HAVE THE LUV OR GO ALL OH YEAH.
THEN THE, THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON THAT, I THINK IT WAS THE PRIMARY BATHROOM IN THE BACK.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COMING UP? YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT.
THAT'S REASON WHY THAT IS LOWER.
NOTHING WAS STATED BY THE ARCHITECT.
UM, SO I'M SURE WE CAN BRING IT UP.
SO IT JUST MATCH THE PANELS, THE RIGHT, YEAH.
WELL, DO WE WANT TO TACKLE THE SHUTTER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I MEAN WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE NOT ALLOWED FIX SHUTTERS LIKE THAT.
UM, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT GO THAN STAY JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A SLIPPERY, SLIPPERY SLOPE IN TOWN TO JUST HAVING THOSE ON ALL SORTS OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND RESTAURANTS AND THINGS RATHER THAN CHALLENGING PEOPLE TO DESIGN, UH, MORE THOUGHTFULLY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, WE ONLY ADDED IT BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS REVIEW TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A BIG BLANK WALL IN MINE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A WALL IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
WE KIDDING MY HEAD? I THINK IT'LL BE FINE.
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BLANK IN THE FRONT.I MEAN, I COULD TALK TO MY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND WE COULD PUT SOME TALLER PLANTS THERE.
UM, AND THAT COULD, THAT COULD MAKE THE WALL FEEL NOT AS BLANK.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
SO IT'S, WE HAVE BIG MORE WALL THERE.
LET'S INCLUDE THAT IN THE, IN OUR COMMENTS THEN.
UH, WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE RELYING ON LANDSCAPING THERE, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A, YEAH, I MEAN, I AGREE THAT'S A MINIMUM EITHER THAT OR TRELLIS, BUT I THINK THAT IF, UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, YEAH, FOR LANDSCAPING.
SO THIS IS THE WALL WE'RE REFERRING TO.
UH, WE DO ALLOW FOR APARTMENTS TO, TO GO INTO THE, THE SETBACK.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS KIND SHIFT OVER WHERE YOUR, UM, YOUR, UH, FIREPLACE IS.
THAT PORTION COULD GO INTO THE SETBACK AND WE'D MOVE THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO THE SETBACK LINE.
THAT WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SEPARATION.
SO YOU CAN GET SOME LANDSCAPING ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE WHERE THE WALL, WHERE THAT WALL IS.
SO WE COULD PROBABLY GET AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE TO TWO FEET, UM, SHIFTED OVER AND THEN THAT WAY WE'D HAVE SOME SPACE ALONG THAT SIDEWALL TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME TALLER, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE SKINNIER TYPE OF, OF, OF TRIPS TO HELP TO, UM, YEAH, NATURAL.
YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE WITH GOING INTO THAT SETBACK.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA BE GARDEN AREA ANYWAY.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, SINCE IT'S KIND OF AT AN ANGLE ANYWAY 'CAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE FLOOD, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
TRAILER WITH THE, WITH THE FRONT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PRETTY DECENT SETBACKS IN THE SIDE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE, SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, I, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY PREFERRED FOR US.
UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? DID WE ADDRESS THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OR JUST MAKE COMMENTS? WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY COME TO A CONCLUSION.
UM, IT WAS FINE IN BERHAM, BUT IT JUST, IT FEELS TOO CLOSE TO THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
IF YOU COULD TAKE A FOOT OFF AND GET IT NINE AND EIGHT, I, AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER WHY THE TOP FLOOR IS SO MUCH TALLER THAN THE BOTTOM.
UM, IT'S A VAULTED CEILING, SO I THINK IT JUST, WELL, AND THEN IT, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL LOSE IT IF YOU DROP THAT FOOT.
I DON'T THINK THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS THE ISSUE.
I THINK THE TOP FLOOR IT'S, WELL, IT'S JUST, YEAH, TO ME IT WAS THE TOTAL LOSE IT SOMEWHERE, BUT YOU LOSE THE FOOT ON TOP QUITE A BIT.
THAT FIRST FLOOR IS PRETTY WIDE WITH THE, YOU SUGGEST TAKING OFF THE WINDOWS FROM ABOVE THE, THE TRANS.
SO I THINK WE BRING EVERYTHING DOWN.
YOU'RE FIND THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF.
AND WE'LL ALSO ADDRESS THE SLIDING DOORS.
WE'LL PROBABLY MAKE THOSE, UM, FRENCH DOORS.
FOR THAT, FOR THAT UPPER STORE IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
THEY'LL BE A LITTLE SKINNY, BUT I THINK THAT WORKS WELL.
THIS PIECE, THERE, THERE OTHER THOUGHTS DOWN THERE ON THE HEIGHT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, BEYOND WHAT WAS SAID.
I LIKE THAT THEY'RE GONNA LOWER IT
SO WE'VE PRODUCED YOUR COSTS ON THAT FUNNY LITTLE CLOSED WINDOW.
AND SO IF I MAY, I THINK I WAS CAPTURING EVERYTHING, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS SHOWN.
AND THEN, UM, UNDER NUMBER EIGHT WHERE IT SAYS REMOVE CLOSED SHUTTER ON THE LEFT ELEVATION, UM, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, THAT THAT ITEM STAND IN THERE.
UH, THEN WE HAVE, WE COULD, UM, SHIFT THE, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SO THAT THE CHIMNEY OR THE PERCE IS, IS INTO THE SETBACK WITH, BUT STILL THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING, UH, WOULD MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, REMOVE TRANSOM, UH, FOR A CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, AND REDUCE HEIGHT.
UH, THEN WE ALSO INCLUDE REMOVE THE PIERS FROM THE RIGHT SIDE AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
UM, UH, EXTEND THE WATERBOARD AROUND TO THE REAR WHERE THE BOARD AND BATTEN IS LOCATED, OR NOT ACTUALLY NOT EXTEND THE WATERBOARD, BUT JUST BRING THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING UP.
BRING BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING UP.
YEAH, THERE'S A BAND BOARD ON THE LAPS.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT.
ANY OTHERS? WE'LL CLEAN UP THE DETAILS ON THE MATERIALS.
SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A MISTAKE MY FAULT.
SO WE'LL GET THAT ALL CLEARED UP.
AS, AS OUTLINED, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IS KEVIN SO ELOQUENTLY STATED, I WILL MAKE
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THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED ALONG WITH THE CONDITIONS YOU JUST READ TO US.IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT TO YOU.
[VII.9. 135 Bridge Street: A request by Tom Parker, Jr.(PDG | Architects), Applicant, on behalf of Brenda Dunaway, Owner, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-Historic District, to allow construction of a new Center Hall House of approximately 5,240 SF and two Carriage Houses of 800 SF and 1,198 SF located at 135 Bridge Street. The property is within Old Town Historic District and is zoned Riverfront Edge Historic District. (COFA-04-25-019700) (Staff - Sam Barrow)]
IS 1 3 5 BRIDGE STREET, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CUSAL.AND FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S, UH, MR. PRO IS, UH, STEPPING DOWN, UH, AND RECUSING HIMSELF FROM, UH, THE NEXT ITEM, A MOVIE
THERE'S, THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO STAY.
OKAY, SO THAT IS THE LAST ITEM AND WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE ARE GOOD.
UM,
UM, AND THIS IS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE APPROXIMATELY 5,240 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT'S ATTACHED, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE OF 1,198 SQUARE FEET, LOCATED 1 35 BRIDGE STREET.
AND THIS IS IN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, AGAIN, HERE'S THE, UH, LOCATION MAP WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT IS LOCATED ON, UH, THE MAY RIVER.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, PHOTOS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO THIS HOUSE, UH, UH, I SAY RECENTLY, WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY HAD BURNED DOWN.
UM, SO THE SITE HAS, UH, SINCE BEEN CLEARED.
UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT, UM, THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT, UM, UH, IN THE RIVERFRONT EDGE THAT, UH, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES ARE AT LEAST 150 FEET, UH, FROM THE OCRM LINE.
UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS WITHIN THAT AREA.
UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR DID MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS ALLOWED TO BE REBUILT, UM, UNDER THE FOOTPRINT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT IS AT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT LOCATION, UM, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, CONSISTENT FOR THAT, THAT BUILDING.
UH, A COPY OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN PLAN HAD BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.
I BELIEVE IT WAS A VERY ROBUST, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE MULTIPLE ELEVATIONS, UH, WHILE THE, THE SHEET SAYS THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE TO REFER THIS AS THE STREET SIDE ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD FACE TOWARDS BRIDGE STREET.
UH, HERE'S THE LEFT ELEVATION, RIGHT ELEVATION, AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE RIVER, UH, ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM THE RIVER.
UH, WE HAVE THE FOUR RIGHT REVIEW CRITERIA LISTED.
UM, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR NUMBER TWO, I THINK THIS IS WHERE IT DECIDES TO LOCK UP ON ME.
UH, SO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IS THAT THE SERVICE YARD DETAILS, UH, MUST BE PROVIDED AND THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
UM, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE ROOF MATERIAL.
UM, AND THEN IT SAYS IDENTIFY A LOCAL SOURCE OF BRICKS TO BE USED FOR THE WALLS OF CARRIAGE HOUSE NUMBER TWO, UM, OR IF BRICKS ARE TO BE SALVAGED.
AND THEN IF NEITHER, THEN WE NEED DETERMINATION FOR THE APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, AND THE MATERIAL SAMPLE OF THE BRICK TO BE APPLIED, UM, FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR US, UH, TO, TO REVIEW IT, UM, TO REVISE THE DOORS WITH THE AEC MATERIAL TO A MATERIAL THAT IS PERMITTED BY THE UDO, UH, CHANGE THE OVAL WINDOW, UM, THAT'S ON THAT, UM, THE ONE ELEVATION, UH, TO, TO A CONFIGURATION AND OPERATION, UH, THAT IS PERMITTED BY THE CODE.
UM, CHANGE ALL FIXED GLASS WINDOWS TO OPERATIONAL.
UM, AND THEN THIS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN HERE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT LISTED, UH, HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, UPON FURTHER REVIEW THAT THIS MATERIAL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UM, THE ASH FLY TRIM MATERIAL IS ACTUALLY A BOAL.
AM I CORRECT SAYING THAT, UH, MATERIAL THAT IS ACCEPTABLE? SO THIS ITEM, WE CAN ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION, JUST WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT ITEM NUMBER SEVEN THAT'S LISTED ON HERE.
AND THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LINE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, SHOWN IS IN COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH THE EDO SECTIONS, UH, YOUR, UH, DETERMINATION IS NEEDED ON A COUPLE ITEMS HERE.
UM, NUMBER ONE IS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE, UM, HALF, UH, INCH OVER 12 PITCH OF THE BREEZEWAY.
IN ESSENCE, IT MAKES IT A FLAT ROOF.
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UM, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM HANDRAILS, AND THEN THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE WOOD COMPOSITE SHUTTERS.UM, SO YOUR ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN I CAN BRING IT BACK TO, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE CAN DISCUSS THEM.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, AND IS, UH, ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FIRST, UM, AT WHAT, AT WHAT POINT DO WE GIVE YOU OUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? THE COMMISSION POST, THE DETERMINATION APPLICANT? UM, THE, FOR THE DETERMINATION ONES? YEAH.
DO YOU WANT THAT NOW OR DO YOU WANT IT AFTER THE APPLICANT? UH, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE HAPPY, WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHY DON'T WE BRING UP THE APPLICANT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH HOW THEY DESIGNED IT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING SO FEW COMMENTS LISTED ON YOUR, IT'S A LITTLE WORRISOME WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS UP WITH HOLDING A BRICK.
I WENT THROUGH THE SCANNER WITH IT, SO
UH, TOM PARKER WITH PDG ARCHITECTS.
I'M HERE WITH THE I KNOW OWNER.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING SO LATE.
UM, THE SERVICE YARD DETAIL SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST.
THE SERVICE SHARD DETAILS IN THE DRAWINGS, IT WAS JUST LABELED INCORRECTLY.
UM, IT'S, UH, LOUVERED, IT'S ON SHEET.
YOU WANNA DO THAT SHEET? THREE A 0.2 0.3.
UM, IT'S A LOUVERED FENCE WITH, UH, LATTICE BRICK ENDS AND BRICK PIERS.
SO IT'S A LA HAS LAST BRICK ON THE ENDS AND, AND A LOUVERED IN UNTIL ALL OUT OF WOOD.
UM, THE BREEZEWAY WAS, UH, THE, THE ROOF IS A STANDING SEAM METAL, BUT IT WILL BE AN ALUMINUM ROOF STANDING SEAM ALUMINUM WITH CONCEALED FASTENERS.
UH, PROBABLY A MUSKET GRAY COLOR AT THIS POINT, BUT I KNOW WE DON'T DEAL WITH COLORS, BUT IT'LL BE A GRAY COLOR.
AND WAS THERE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? IT WAS FLAT AND DIDN'T HAVE A PITCH.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, SO WE, WHAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT ON THE NEXT ITEM IS B2B, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THIS DRAWING A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THERE'S A DETAIL IN HERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE A TR IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A TRELLIS, A HEAVY TIMBER TRELLIS CONNECTING THE GARAGE TO THE HOUSE, AND THEN IT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE A FLAT STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON TOP OF IT.
IT'S GOT A LITTLE, LITTLE CROSS BRACING IN IT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF THIS AND THAT GOING ON, BUT IT, THE COLUMNS ARE, ARE LONG AND, AND WE HAVE A BRICK BASE ON ALL THE COLUMNS BECAUSE THE HEIGHT OF THE BREEZEWAY WAS DEEMED A LITTLE TOO TALL.
SO, UM, SHORTEN THE PROPORTION OF THE COLUMNS ON THAT.
IF THE BOARD FEELS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A PITCH ROOF ON THAT, WE WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY PUTTING A LOW THREE AND 12, FOUR AND 12 PITCH ROOF ON THERE.
WE JUST FELT IT WAS A STRONGER STATEMENT 'CAUSE IT IS 38 FEET LONG.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A TRELLIS THAT'S HOOKING A HEAVY TIMBER TRELLIS THAT'S HOOKING THE HOUSE TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.
SO, BUT IF THE BOARD FEELS LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE A SLOPE PROOF, WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
UM, SO FROM THE GROUND, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING UP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A WOOD TRELLIS WITH A WOOD ROOF AS FAR AS YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE OF ABSOLUTELY.
IT LOOKS LIKE A WOOD TRELLIS WITH WOOD DECKING BASICALLY ON THE OVER THE BERLINS.
SO ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT REPORT? I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
MAYBE LET'S LOOK AT THE ELEVATION SHOWING IT AGAIN.
UM, THE EIGHTH, THEN GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE EIGHTH INCH SHOWS THE WHOLE THING.
SO IT REALLY DOES READ AS A CELL THERE, BUT WE JUST FELT THAT THAT THAT HAD A STRONGER FEEL TO IT THAN PUTTING A SLOPE ON THAT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ROOFS ALREADY AND, UM, TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS A LITTLE BIT AND THE INTERACTION WITH, WITH THE MAIN HOUSE IS MORE SUCCESSFUL COMING IN BELOW THE PORCH ROOF.
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UH, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU DON'T SEE MORE STANDING STEAM ROOF.I THINK THAT THE BIGGER SPACING THAT YOU GET BETWEEN THE, LIKE THE RAFTERS OF THE, OF THE TRELLIS KIND OF HAS AN EXTRA SCALE TO IT THAN THE SMALLER SPACING OF THE, UH, ROOF STANDING SEAMS WOULD ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT ENTIRE LENGTH.
UH, WE'RE USING OLD CAROLINA BRICK, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY A CLASSIC BRICK THAT THAT'S, YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND A RECLAIM BRICK.
UH, WE DID, UH, RECLAIM THE BRICK FROM TWO OF THE, TWO OF THE THREE CHIMNEYS AND ALL THE BRICK THAT WAS ON THE GROUND THAT WAS OLD SAVANNAH GRAY.
SO WE'VE GOT THREE AND A HALF PALLETS OF THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSE NUMBER ONE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE AN OLD, UM, KITCHEN COOK HOUSE ON THE SIDE AND IT'S BRICKED WALL, SO, SO IT'S MADE OUT OF BRICK.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO FEEL LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BRICK TO DO THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE, SO WE WILL BE USING THIS BRICK FOR THAT, THAT VERTICAL PORTION YOU SEE, UM, HOPEFULLY THE, ALL THE HORIZONTAL WILL BE THE RECLAIMED BRICK AND THE, UM, INTERIOR.
WE'VE GOT SOME BRICK ON THE FLOOR.
WE'RE GONNA USE THE OLD BRICK FOR THAT, THE ORIGINAL BRICK FROM THAT.
WE'RE GONNA USE A GRAPEVINE, UH, BONE COLORED GROUT WITH A GRAPEVINE STRIKE IN IT.
SO IT'LL BE A, A BEADED SORT OF GROUT LINE.
UH, THE RAILINGS ARE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM RAILINGS.
THEY'RE A TWO AND A HALF, TWO AND A QUARTER INCH ART CAP TOP WITH A TONGUE, UH, LAMB'S TONGUE TERMINATION.
AND THERE'S A DETAIL OF IT IN, IN THERE.
AND A AND WE SUBMITTED A PICTURE OF ONE TOO.
IT WAS THE LAST, LAST DONE AT THE END.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING FOR NEWER MEMBERS, BY THE WAY.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WE HAVE APPROVED THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, JUST AS LONG AS IT HAS A HISTORICAL DETAILING TO IT AND FEELS LIKE A WROUGHT IRON.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN REAL LIFE IN YOUR PACKAGE TOO.
UM, THE DOORS, IT SAYS THE SCREEN DOOR IS NOTED AS AZA.
I, I COULDN'T FIND THAT NOTE ANYWHERE ON OUR DRAWINGS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN INCH AND THREE QUARTER MAHOGANY SCREEN DOOR WITH FIBERGLASS SCREEN TO MATCH, BUT IT'LL BE A THICK FIRE, UM, MAHOGANY SCREEN DOOR, TWO PANELS AS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE AZA CAME FROM, BUT I COULDN'T FIND IT.
UM, IT'S A MISTAKE WHEREVER IT'S
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FOUND IT, BUT I DID GOOGLE IT
WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER DONE AN A Z SCREEN DOORS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE ON THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE ON THE DRAWINGS, BUT, BUT IT, IT IS MEANT TO BE MAHOGANY AND IT WILL BE MAHOGANY, UH, THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES.
THE OVAL WINDOW IS A DISCUSSION POINT.
I, I FEEL, UM, THE UDO DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OVALS.
IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SQUARE AND RECTANGULAR AND, UM, WE WOULD, WE'RE FINE CHANGING THIS, BUT WE FEEL THAT THE OVAL IS, IS TRULY A HISTORIC SHAPE FOR A WINDOW.
AND IT IS A VERTICAL, VERTICAL PROPORTIONED WINDOW ALSO.
SO TAKING THOSE TWO THINGS INTO ACCOUNT AND USING IT AS AN ACCENT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMPOSITION IS HISTORICALLY WHERE YOU WOULD, UH, SEE A WINDOW LIKE THIS.
AND I KNOW THE UDO DOESN'T SPEAK TO IT AT ALL, BUT, UM, AND IT DOES SAY SQUARE AND RECTANGULAR WE'RE, WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH GOING BACK TO THE RECTANGULAR WINDOW.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS, THE ROOF OF THE PORCH RISES UP ABOVE THE SILL OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THAT WALL.
SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE, BUT, BUT NOTHING WE CAN'T DEAL WITH IF THE BOARD DOESN'T LIKE THE OVAL.
DO WE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? WE'LL START
UM, I DON'T MIND IT BECAUSE IF IT WAS A SQUARE WINDOW IT WOULD BE REALLY MATCHY MATCHY.
IT'D JUST BE LIKE A LOT OF LITTLE WINDOWS LIKE THE ONES ABOVE IT.
SO DOES IT NEED TO BE OPERATIONAL IF WE ALL DECIDE THAT THE ROUND LOOKS GOOD? THIS IS A SASH SET WINDOW.
SASH SET WINDOW, AND IT CAN BE OPERABLE.
THEY MAKE THEM, BUT WE'D RATHER HAVE IT BE FIXED.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY SASH SET, IT LOOKS FOR ALL INTENSE AS IT HAS A SASH YES.
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AN OPERABLE WINDOW.IT'S NOT A, LIKE IT COULD PIVOT OPEN, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE HARDWARE.
IT HAS A NICE THICK SASH IN IT.
UM, IT GIVES IT SOME CHARACTER AND BREAKS UP ALL THE OTHER, THE WINDOWS IN MY OPINION.
IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WELL DETAILED HOUSE AND IT HAS A LOT OF CHARACTER AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR AN EXCEPTION.
YEAH, I, I FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, IF IT WAS ANYTHING ELSE, YOU'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SHUTTERS AND THE HEIGHT ABOVE THE PORCH AND IT, IT JUST, EVERYTHING SEEMS SO UNIFORM AND PERFECT ON THAT ELEVATION, SO I THINK IT FITS.
UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS THOSE THREE SQUARE WINDOWS ON THERE.
THEY'RE ON THE WINDOW SCHEDULE IS FIXED WINDOWS.
WE'VE ALWAYS USED SASH SET, BUT, BUT THOSE CAN BE OPERABLE.
UH, ON THE RIVER ELEVATION, WE HAVE SOME LARGE WINDOWS THAT ALSO CAN BE CASEMENT.
UM, THEY'RE FOUR, FOUR WIDE BY SIX FOUR TALL.
WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THEM FOUR TWO WIDE BY SIX FOUR TALL, SO THEY'LL BE TWO INCHES NARROWER IF THEY'RE OPERABLE.
UM, WE WOULD RATHER LEAVE THESE FIXED JUST FOR COST REASONS, BUT, UM, THEY ARE SASH SET, BUT, UH, THEY CAN BE OPERABLE.
I'M OKAY WITH THEM BEING, THEY APPEAR TO BE OPERABLE.
SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT, SO AS LONG AS THEY APPEAR TO BE OPERABLE, I'M GOOD.
THEY HAVE A NICE SCALE TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S WELL BREAKING UP WITH THE MILLWORK OF THE COLUMNS AND EVERYTHING FEELS INTEGRATED AND THEY'RE NOT MASSIVE UNBROKEN PIECES OF THE GLASS.
WE'VE GOT THE ASH BARS IN THEM, SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, ITEM SEVEN WAS SHUTTERS REAL QUICK.
JUST YEAH, SO I CAN MAKE SURE.
SO, UM, AND I'M JUST WORKING ON FOR CONDITION PURPOSES, SO, UM, LIKE I ITEM NUMBER SIX WHERE IT SAYS CHANGE ALL FIXED WINDOWS TO AN OPERABLE WINDOW, SO, SO IT WOULD BE, UM, THE REAR WINDOWS AS SHOWN ON RIVERSIDE THAT THE FIXED WINDOWS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT I THINK I HAD LISTED FOR OPERATIONAL FOUR.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER? THE L WINDOWS, THE LITTLE SQUARE ONES.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE CASEMENTS.
UM, THE SHUTTERS WERE USING, UH, ATLANTIC OR NEW HORIZON COMPOSITE SHUTTERS THERE, I, THEY WERE IN THE PACKAGE THAT WE SENT, BUT THEY'RE HISTORICALLY CORRECT SHUTTERS.
UM, IT'S A FLAT PANEL WITH A BEAD AND, UM, THEY'RE USUALLY ACCEPTED, UH, IN HISTORIC AREAS, BUT, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S TYPICALLY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE IN THE PAST HAVE SAID IF THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR IS OKAY WITH THE TOUCH TEST KIND OF THING AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN WE'VE DETERMINED THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE OR FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR TO DO THAT, DO THAT.
BUT THEY'RE MOUNTED ON, I CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU A SAMPLE.
UM, THEY'RE MOUNTED ON BLACK STAINLESS STEEL HARDWARE, UH, AUTHENTIC HARDWARE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN CLOSE IF THEY HAD TO.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE DETERMINATION ITEMS. YEAH, THESE SHUTTERS ARE, ARE APPROVED IN DOWNTOWN CHARLESTON.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE GOOD.
BUT WE, WE'LL PROVIDE A SAMPLE FOR, YEAH, JUST, JUST A CORNER SAMPLE.
JUST, JUST ENOUGH FOR THE, THE TOUCH FEEL, RIGHT? YEP.
SEE THE THICKNESS AND THE CORNER DETAIL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT? OKAY.
NO, I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE A VERY PREMIUM PRODUCT.
AND THEN THE TRIM, UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, THE BRAND NAME, DID WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THAT RECENTLY? ADD IT INTO THE UDI? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE DID OR NOT, OR IF IT WAS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WHERE WE HAVE STATED THAT IS IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL.
IT CAME UP A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
MIGHT HAVE JUST RECENTLY, UH, IN THE PAST YEAR, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I CANNOT REMEMBER.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, KNOWING VERY FEW OF THESE WORDS, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT Y'ALL HAVE A PROOF OF ORAL IN THE PAST.
DOESN'T LOOK TOO, YEAH, I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE, SOME MEMBERS WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT WE USED IT ALL THE TIME.
UH, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE AT HBRC THAT IT'S OKAY, SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SEE
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE CHIMNEYS HAVE LIKE A LITTLE FLAT BOX IN IT THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A SPARK ER, RIGHT? IS IT A IT'S A'S MASONRY.
SO WE DON'T, IF IT WAS A SPARK ER AREA THAT TURN THE CHIMNEY, SO IT HIDES IT, BUT OH, FROM THE FRONT? FROM THE FRONT, WE CAN TURN THERE.
WHAT IF IT'S NOT A SPARKER? IF YOU'VE GOT A
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MASONRY FLU, THEN IT'S FINE.UM, SO AS YOU GO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, UH, TO, TO INCLUDE, UH, AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, UM, WE'RE SAYING THAT NUMBER ONE IS, IS ALREADY GOOD, SO THAT THAT ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN MET, SO IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
UM, ITEM THREE, UM, THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE, THE BRICK MATERIAL IS APPROPRIATE, SO WE CAN JUST REMOVE THAT ONE COMPLETELY.
UM, ITEM FOUR CAN BE REMOVED COMPLETELY BECAUSE IT IS THE MAHOGANY WOOD.
SO THAT'S A, IT'S A MOOT POINT FOR THAT ITEM.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, ON THIS SHEET NUMBER TWO, SO, AND THEN EIGHT NUMBER.
UM, SO THE OVAL WINDOW, WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, SO WE WILL, YOU WILL REMOVE THAT AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
YOU NEED THAT TO BE A DETERMINATION THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, THAT'S AN EASY PART OF YOU CAN TO JUST, TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
UM, SO THAT ONE, AND THEN FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX IS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE REAR WINDOWS, UH, AS PROPOSED AS, UH, FIXED GLASS IS ACCEPTABLE AND THAT WINDOW LABELED L UH, WILL BE OPERATIONAL.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE REMOVING NUMBER SEVEN COMPLETELY.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN EIGHT WAS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH I, I, I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE HAD.
WE CAN LEAVE THAT COMMENT IN THERE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ON FINAL, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS, IT SHOULD BE O OKAY, SO THE THREE DETERMINATIONS.
UM, AND THAT YOU DEEMED, UM, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UM, UNDER FOR A DETERMINATION AS BEING APPROPRIATE.
SO I'LL JUST, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SET I MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF REP RECOMMENDATIONS TWO AND EIGHT AND MAKING THE FOLLOWING DETERMINATIONS THAT, UM, ITEM FIVE, THE OVAL WINDOW IS AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW CONFIGURATION AND THAT THE AFFIXED GLASS WINDOWS, UM, ARE APPROPRIATE THAT WHILE, UM, WINDOW L WILL BE OPERATIONAL AND, UM, THAT THE 12 HALF AND 12 PITCH FOR THE BREEZEWAY IS APPROPRIATE.
THE POWDER COATED ALUMINUM HANDRAILS ARE APPROPRIATE AND THE WOOD COMPOSITE SHUTTERS ARE APPROPRIATE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
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WE HAD PROVIDED, UH, JUST A COPY OF THE SITE FEATURE UPDATE, UH, THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.UH, JUST A COUPLE BUNCH OF SIGNS, A COUPLE REPAIRS, UH, S SHELL, UH, AT DEBOS PARK.
SO, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S GO HOME.
THE COUNTY IS ONE OF THE OLDEST FORMS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.
EARLY SETTLERS FROM ENGLAND BROUGHT THE TRADITION OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO AMERICA.
TODAY, MORE THAN 3000 COUNTY GOVERNMENTS PROVIDE SERVICES THAT AFFECT ALMOST EVERY CITIZEN'S LIFE.
SOUTH CAROLINA'S 46 COUNTIES ARE VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW COUNTY GOVERNMENT HAS EVOLVED NATIONALLY.
THE COUNTY UNIT IN SOUTH CAROLINA WAS REGARDED AS A LOCAL EXTENSION
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OF STATE GOVERNMENT, BUT A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL REFORM MOVEMENT IN THE EARLY 1970S LED TO THE SOUTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY, PASSING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAW, ALSO KNOWN AS THE HOME RULE ACT.IN 1975, THE HOME RULE ACT GREATLY EXPANDED COUNTY AUTHORITY AND CHANGED THE NATURE OF COUNTY ORGANIZATION AND ADMINISTRATION TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.
BEAUFORT COUNTY WENT FROM HAVING A BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO A COUNTY COUNCIL.
MEMBERS OF THE 1975 COUNCIL INCLUDED CHAIRMAN ARTHUR HORN, VICE CHAIRMAN, GRADY THAMES, LEROY BROWN, GARY FORDHAM, WILLIAM GRANT, HARRIET, KAISER LING, DAVID JONES, BILL MCBRIDE, AND BOOKER WASHINGTON.
AS THE NEW COUNCIL SOUGHT TO DISTINGUISH ITSELF, COUNCIL MEMBERS DESIRED AN OFFICIAL SYMBOL THAT WOULD REPRESENT THE JURISDICTION'S IDENTITY AND UNIQUE CHARACTER COUNCIL APPOINTED AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO UNDERTAKE THE TASK AND CARRY OUT A CONTEST FOR THE BEST COUNTY SEAL DESIGN.
HARRIET KLIN WAS A MEMBER OF COUNTY COUNCIL, AND IT WAS HER IDEA BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IDENTIFY OUR BEAUTIFUL BEAUFORD COUNTY.
WE MET THEN UP AT, UH, I THINK IT WAS A CAROLINA BANK, AND SOME YEARS AGO BACK THERE ON WEST STREET, AND THEN WE PUT 'EM IN PILES, YOU KNOW, LIKE, GOOD, BAD MAYBE UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT IT DOWN TO THE ONE THAT WE NOW USE.
COUNTY COUNCIL APPROVED THE SEAL COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH REFLECTED THE COUNTY'S HISTORY, TRADITIONS, AND NATURAL BEAUTY.
THE SEAL'S COLORS OF BLUE AND GREEN REPRESENT THE COLORS OF THE COUNTY'S OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT WITH ITS MANY WATERWAYS, MARSHLANDS, AND MARITIME FOREST.
THE FIVE IMAGES WITHIN THE SEAL DEPICT SOME OF THE COUNTY'S DISTINGUISHING FEATURES, ANCIENT LIVE OAK TREES, THE SEAFOOD INDUSTRY, RICH NATURAL RESOURCES, AND A RARE MARINE ECOLOGY, LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE, AND MILES OF RIVERS, CREEKS, AND INLETS.
I THOUGHT IT ENCOMPASSED WHAT THE, WHAT WE AS A BODY WERE LOOKING FOR A SEAL THAT WOULD, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT AND JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, IT REALLY COVERS THE ASPECTS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY.
SO HE DID A GOOD JOB OF BRINGING TOGETHER THE THINGS THAT WE, UH, WHOLE SO THERE AND WHAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT BEAUFORT COUNTY.
COUNCILMAN BILL MCBRIDE WAS IN OFFICE WHEN THE CONTEST WAS HELD AND WAS PRESENT WHEN THE COMMITTEE REVEALED THE WINNING DESIGN.
I THINK COUNCIL WAS ECSTATIC ABOUT IT.
UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THE, THE SIMS ON THE SEAL REPRESENTED, UM, ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WHERE YOU HAVE THE SHRIMP BOAT TODAY.
INITIALLY, THAT WAS A PLEASURE CRAFT, A SAILBOAT AND YACHT TYPE BOAT.
AND, UH, IT WAS CHANGED BY COUNTY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE SHRIMP BOAT WAS A BETTER REPRESENTATION, UM, OF A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ASPECT OF BEAU COUNTY LIFE BECAUSE YOU HAD OTHER THINGS ON THE SEAL THAT REPRESENT THE PLEASURE AND RECREATION, THE FISHING AND THE BEACH.
SO THEY THOUGHT THE SHRIMP BOAT, WHICH WAS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF BE COUNTY CULTURE SHRIMPING, ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME, WOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE SALE.
THE WINNER OF THE CONTEST WAS AN ARTIST FROM HILTON HEAD ISLAND, THE LATE LEE PAYNE, WHOSE DESIGN WAS SELECTED FROM MORE THAN 126 CENTURIES SUBMITTED FROM AS FAR AWAY AS INDIANA AND TENNESSEE.
HE WAS AWARDED $250 FOR HIS DESIGN.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE CAPTURED THE LEGACY OF OUTDOOR BEAUTY, CULTURE, AND HISTORY THAT HELPED TO DEFINE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF LIFE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.
TO SEE MORE BEAUFORT COUNTY MOMENTS GO TO THE BEAUFORT COUNTY LIBRARY HOMEPAGE AND CLICK ON THE LOCAL HISTORY TAB.