Jun 02, 2025 Planning Commission

IT WON'T TALK OVER ME, WILL IT? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – May 5, 2025 Regular Meeting]

UH, ANYBODY WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE AGENDA? MODIFY ANYTHING? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? OKAY.

LET'S TRY IT AGAIN HERE.

APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 5TH.

ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS, OBJECTIONS, ADDITIONS? HEARING NONE WITH NO OBJECTION.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.

OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS ON, ON NINE AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN COMMENTS TO BE MADE? ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU PLEASE STEP UP THE PODIUM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MOVING FORWARD, IT'S AN

[6. CITIZEN COMMENTS – NON-AGENDA ITEMS]

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GREAT.

THREE MINUTES.

CODA RAMSEY WITH ALLISON RAMSEY ARCHITECTS.

WAS HOPING TO GET THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE FUTURE FOR YOU GUYS TO EXPLORE, BUT I'M BUMPING UP AGAINST SOME ORDINANCE ISSUES WITH GARAGES SPECIFICALLY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT IT A A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I'D LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD MECHANISM FOR GETTING SOME REVISIONS DONE.

UH, WE CAN'T HIT ALL THE DETAILS IN THREE MINUTES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF, UM, IF THERE'S SOME WAY OF YOU GUYS GETTING TO KNOW ME AND STAFF BRINGING FORTH COMMENTS AND WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

IT'S, UH, JUST, JUST SOME RULES THAT NEED TO BE REVISED.

THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT VERY HELPFUL.

THEY'RE KIND OF HURTFUL IN ALL CASES.

UM, AND THAT'S REALLY IT.

I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER MECHANISM.

I KNOW ROB WELL, UH, FOR PROBABLY 30 YEARS NOW, UH, OR AT LEAST OVER 20.

UH, SO, UM, WHEN HE BRINGS SOME OF THESE ISSUES BACK TO YOU GUYS, I HOPE THAT, UM, THERE'S A GOOD WAY TO KIND OF GET THESE THINGS PUSHED FORWARD.

AND I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO DETAILS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THREE MINUTES ISN'T GONNA CUT IT.

WELL, ROB IS THE RIGHT ONE TO TALK TO ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

SO, THANKS FOR COMING FORWARD.

HAS ANYONE ELSE BROUGHT ANY ISSUES LIKE THIS UP? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

NO, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON AGENDA ITEMS? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.

GET TO THE ACTION ITEM FOR THE EVENING.

LET'S

[7. CONSIDERATION OF TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): DIVISION 5.10 (HISTORIC PRESERVATION), SECTION 7.2.120 (CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS), SECTION 7.3.80 (HISTORIC DESIGNATION), SECTION 7.4.50 (PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING AND NOTICE), AND SECTION 7.5.40 (HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD (HPRB)).]

THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE, DIVISION FIVE 10, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTION 7 2 1 2 OH

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CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SECTION 7 3 0 3 0.80.

UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION SECTION 7.4 0.50, PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULING.

AND SECTION FOUR OH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD, HR HPRB.

KRISTEN, ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS EVENING? YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UM, SOME TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE'LL BE HELPING THE COUNTY, UM, GET THE CLG STATUS, WHICH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

UM, THIS OPENS A DOOR FOR ELIGIBILITY TO, UM, MORE HISTORIC GRANTS.

UM, CURRENTLY THE LANGUAGE IN THE CDC DOES NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO FOR ACL G.

UM, SO I WORKED WITH THE, UM, STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THEN ALSO HORRY COUNTY BECAUSE THEY'RE, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE THAT ALSO HAS ACL G, UM, WHICH HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE GETTING SOON.

UM, SO I WORKED WITH THEM FOR ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.

ALSO IN HERE IS, UM, A CEMETERY AND BURIAL SITE, UM, BUFFERS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND THOSE WERE ALSO IN COORDINATION WITH THE STATE AND WHAT THEY, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO AS WELL.

UM, SO I GUESS WITH THIS ONE WE CAN JUST WALK THROUGH IT.

IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BACKGROUND, UNLESS Y'ALL JUST WANNA START? NO, NO, GO AHEAD.

ONE QUESTION IN THE PACKET THAT YOU SENT.

NOW PULL IT NOW GET CLOSE.

SORRY.

PULL IT CLOSER TO YOU.

IT'S NOT COMING UP HERE.

OH, THERE I CAN HEAR IT.

UM, IN THE PACKET THAT YOU SENT US, UH, YOU HAD A LINK IN THERE TO SHOW OTHER PLACES IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT HAVE THE STATUS AND I THINK, UH, CITY OF BEAUFORT AND BLUFFTON ALREADY HAD IT.

MM-HMM .

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY DOES THE ENTIRE COUNTY NEED IT? WHY DOES, WHAT, WHY DOES THE ENTIRE COUNTY NEED TO HAVE THIS? UM, SO THIS WOULD BE FOR UNINCORPORATED.

SO LIKE WHENEVER I GO TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, LIKE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, GOES FOR GRANTS FOR UNINCORPORATED HISTORICAL SITES, WE WOULD NEED IT OURSELVES TO BE PART OF THAT LIST.

AND WE ARE CURRENTLY NOT, BUT THE CITIES ARE.

AND, AND HOW COME THE OTHER STATES, OR EXCUSE ME, COUNTIES DON'T HAVE THAT? I GUESS THEY JUST HAVEN'T REALLY TRIED TO.

I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHY THE OTHER COUNTIES HAVEN'T.

ALL I KNOW IS THAT HORRY COUNTY HAS BEEN, HAS HAD IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.

UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE OTHER COUNTIES.

WELL I'M, I'M STILL, I'M LEARNING ABOUT THIS SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT, WHY WE NEED IT AND YEAH, SO THE MAIN BACKGROUND WAS, UM, ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR SO, I WAS LOOKING INTO GRANTS AND THERE WAS ONE THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN PERFECT FOR SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY IMPLEMENTED ON ST.

HELENA.

BUT I WAS TALKING WITH THE STATE AND THEY SAID THAT WE COULDN'T APPLY FOR IT BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ACL G, BUT THIS IS LIKE A REOCCURRING GRANT, UM, THAT WE COULD APPLY FOR IF WE ARE CLG.

SO MY HOPE IS WE GET IT SO THAT WAY WE CAN OVER THE YEARS GET MORE GRANT MONEY THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

AND CURRENTLY ALSO OUR HISTORIC ORDINANCE IS NOT VERY THOROUGH.

UM, IT KIND OF SETS TO WHERE THE COUNTY HAS PURVIEW OVER NATIONAL REGISTER SITES, BUT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

UM, SO THIS IS TO CREATE OUR OWN LOCAL DESIGNATION AS WELL, SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A, A PROCESS TO, UH, DESIGNATE THOSE AND DO WORK WITH HISTORIC SITES.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE PROBABLY AREN'T DOING IT THE CORRECT WAY.

I PUT IN SOMETHING ABOUT IF THERE'S A DISTRICT THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH THAT MUNICIPALITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BOTH AGREED AGREEING ON THE BOUNDARY LINES.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

SO THIS ONLY APPLIES TO UNINCORPORATED PROPERTIES OR DISTRICTS? YES.

HISTORIC.

WHAT IF THERE'S AN OVERLAP OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT GOES INTO A MUNICIPALITY? I DID PUT IN THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT, UM, I'LL FIND IT SOMEWHERE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE

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WELL, IIII WAS KIND OF AWARE THAT YOU MIGHT BE DOING THAT.

THAT THAT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION OF THE REVIEW PROCESS TO COME UP WITH THESE PARTICULAR SET OF STANDARDS.

WERE THESE SHARED WITH ANYBODY OR ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A CHANCE TO PREVIEW THEM SINCE THESE ARE GONNA BE ENACTED BY THE, THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW JUST BY OUR COUNTY COUNCIL.

SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY REVIEW WITH OTHER PLANNERS, OTHER AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT THESE ARE COMING FORWARD? UM, THESE WERE REVIEWED WITH THE STATE.

UM, THEY WERE ALSO REVIEWED WITH HORRY COUNTY.

I HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THEM AND THEN OUR HISTORIC OR THE BEAUFORT COUNTY'S HISTORIC BOARD ALSO REVIEWED THEM, BUT NOT ANY OTHER PLANNERS AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

SO THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL FOR A POLICY? NO.

SHOULD THEY BE? UM, I FEEL LIKE IT, TO BECOME ACL G, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS IN YOUR ORDINANCE.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE A COUNTY, SO THE CITY HAS A LOT BETTER STANDARDS OF LIKE, EVEN LIKE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEIR WAY OF GOING ABOUT GETTING A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN HOW A COUNTY WOULD BECAUSE USUALLY A MUNICIPALITY ONLY HAS LIKE ONE CERTAIN HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHEREAS A COUNTY WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE, MAYBE LIKE SMALLER ONES.

DID I HAVE A QUESTION? WHY DO YOU THINK THE COUNTY NEVER HAD ACL G? I DON'T.

DID THEY HAVE ONE AND IT KIND OF FELL INTO OBLIVION AND, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS EVER, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR A CLG AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE QUALIFIED 20 YEARS AGO FOR ACL G.

SO I JUST THINK THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS LANGUAGE THAT WAS ABSENT.

I JUST, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THIS.

H HOW MANY PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT UNINCORPORATED BEAUFORT COUNTY HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE OF HISTORIC NATURE AND REQUIRE GRANT MONIES? WE HAVE, OH, THERE'S, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT ARE ALREADY ON NATIONAL REGISTER, WHICH COULD ALSO BE A LOCAL WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE 50 TO A HUNDRED.

BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO LOCAL ONES.

SO WE JUST IN JANUARY FINISHED THE ABOVE GROUND HISTORIC SURVEY FOR SOUTH OF THE BROAD AND ST.

HELENA ISLAND.

AND THAT ONE CAME UP WITH AROUND 20 THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UM, ADD TO OUR LOCAL DESIGNATION LIST.

OKAY, THANKS.

JUST AS A MATTER OF PROCESS, LIKE I LIVE IN AN OLD HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

SO A HOUSE LIKE MINE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE ON THE COUNTY LIST.

UM, I MEAN, DO YOU DRAW YOUR, YOUR LIST IT SOMETHING FROM THE NATIONAL REGISTER? IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BRING FORWARD AS STAFF.

IT WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY, SO WITH A, YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR A LOCAL DESIGNATION TO BE ON THE, THE BEAUFORT COUNTIES PURVIEW? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

THAT IT'S LITTLE UNCLEAR TO ME WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

IT WOULDN, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR ORDINANCE JUST HAS, IF ANYTHING'S ON NATIONAL REGISTER, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY A LOCAL DESIGNATION.

WELL, I, WE KIND OF NEED TO HAVE AN ACTUAL PROCESS IN PLACE.

UM, OR THERE CAN BE SOME LEGAL ISSUES.

SO YOURS WOULD NOT AUTOMATICALLY BE ON THE LIST, BUT IT WOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO WHERE THERE WOULD BE LIKE, I THINK IT WOULD GO BEFORE LIKE THE HISTORIC BOARD AND THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH COUNSEL.

SO THAT WAY IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, IT'S ALMOST KIND OF LIKE A REZONING IN A WAY, BUT NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGING.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT HAS LIKE THIS PROCESS OF LIKE THREE READINGS AND STUFF.

I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I MEAN, MY HOUSE HAS BEEN LISTED ON THE REGISTER, I DON'T KNOW, 1973 OR SOMETHING.

HISTORIC BOARD AND THEN COUNTY WOULD ADOPT IT INTO THE LOCAL.

SO YOU'RE TELLING ME AND OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON ST.

HELENA WHO HAVE OLD HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE REGISTER THAT WE HAVE TO REAPPLY TO THE COUNTY? NO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, THIS WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S ON OUR, UM, ABOVE GROUND SURVEY, IF WE HAVE IT LISTED, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LOOK INTO TO SEE IF WE NEED TO ADD IT TO THE LOCAL.

AS THE HOMEOWNER, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S, I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE AND YOU WANT IT TO BE ADDED TO THE LOCAL INVENTORY.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD AS STAFF BRING FORTH TO THE

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AND YOU'D WRITE ME AN EMAIL.

I I, I REALLY, I DON'T MEAN TO BE GLIB, BUT THIS IS KIND OF AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

NO, YEAH.

IT'S IN HERE FOR, UM, NOTIFICATION THAT I WOULD HAVE TO, FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UM, PUBLICATION AND WRITTEN NOTICE WOULD NEED TO, WERE WOULD BE REQUIRED WITHIN 15 AND 30 DAYS OF A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT JUST SEEMS REDUNDANT AND UNNECESSARY TO ME.

I GUESS I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT I IF IT'S ALREADY ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER BECAUSE WE DO NOT AS A COUNTY HAVE PURVIEW OVER ANYTHING.

SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW OUR HISTORIC BOARD REVIEWS AND DOES THE COA CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT FOR NATIONAL REGISTER ITEMS BECAUSE WE ARE, WE SHOULD NOT AS A MUNICIPALITY HAVE PURVIEW OVER THAT.

IT'S, I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING, THERE WAS A, A SUIT MAYBE LIKE IN CALIFORNIA A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE THAT WAS DETERMINED THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN LOCAL DESIGNATION AND ITS OWN PROCESS IN ORDER TO HAVE PURVIEW OVER ANYTHING ARCHITECTURAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A COA, BUT I MEAN, JUST THE EXISTENCE OF A HOUSE LIKE MINE THAT HAS TO BE NOW BROUGHT BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REVIEW BOARD AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

IF YOU WERE TO GO INTO THE LOCAL INVENTORY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN INITIATE TO ADD YOURS TO THAT INVENTORY.

AND WHERE DO I FIND THE LOCAL INVENTORY? I I I, I DIDN'T FIND A LOT ON THE WEBSITE WHEN I LOOKED IT UP TODAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO START .

OKAY, GREAT.

GO AHEAD.

DID YOU HAVE, I'M CONFUSED , BUT I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE.

CAN THE COUNTY COME IN? YOU'RE, YOU'D NEVER DO THIS TO MY HOUSE, BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF AS THE OWNER, IF I HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE COUNTY ABOUT SOMETHING BEING NAMED A A HISTOR, A HISTORICAL SITE, UM, CAN THE COUNTY COME IN AND PROCLAIM IT'S A HISTORICAL SITE AND FILE ALL THE PAPERWORK AND TAKE THAT OUTTA MY HANDS? NO, NO, THAT WOULD, NO.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A PREEMPTIVE THING WHERE THEY, IF I WANNA MODIFY MY HOME, I'D CAN, AND IT'S NOT A HISTORICAL SITE.

IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN IF IT WAS A HISTORICAL SITE.

THIS IS JUST FOR LIKE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.

UM, AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO, I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO AM I WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO A LOT OF THE DETAILS.

AS I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE COUNTY AS AN AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY TO LONG TO MOVE PROPERTY ON UP TO THE STATE AUTHORIZATION THAN THE NATIONAL REGISTER THAT THE PROCESS HAS NOT HAD A LOCAL, LOCAL DESIGNATION.

SO TO THIS POINT, YEAH, WE, THE ONLY LOCAL DESIGNATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN OUR ORDINANCE IS ANYTHING THAT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, BUT THAT IS NOT A COMPLETE PROCESS OF HOW SOMETHING SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IF AT THIS HISTORIC VALUE.

SO RIGHT NOW I'M JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH A LOCAL HISTORIC INVENTORY AND GO FROM THERE.

REFERENCES TO 7 3 40, UM, WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 7 3 80.

CAN I GO BACK ONE SEC? UM, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD FUNDING, BUT I DON'T THINK THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES PROVIDES FUNDING.

IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THESE HISTORIC SITES? NO, IT'S USUALLY WHAT, LIKE PROJECTS AS FAR AS LIKE SERVING, UM, YOU CAN EVEN GO AS FAR AS MAYBE SOME CEMETERY WORK.

SO FUNDING FROM THEM FOR THE COUNTY TO DO CERTAIN PROJECTS.

AND THAT MEANS FOR PRESERVATION, YOU OR THE PLANNING STAFF WOULD APPLY FOR THAT KIND OF FUNDING? YES, MA'AM.

UM, SO I DID WANT TO JUST GO THROUGH THIS.

UM, LET'S START.

SO I HAD SOME COMMENTS SENT TO ME BY, UM, MR. HENNY AND I WANTED TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THOSE.

SO I DID NOTE THAT THERE WAS FOR HISTORICAL DESIGNATION 7 3 80, UM, IT'S TOWARDS THE END THAT B SIX AND B SEVEN, THEY HAD

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SO I HAVE NOTED THAT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE EDITED AND CHANGED.

UM, SO UNDER 7 3 80 UNDER A PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION IS TO PROVIDE GUIDELINES FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF BEAVER COUNTY'S HISTORICAL DESIGNATION OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND DISTRICTS.

GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER QUESTION, YA MEAN I'VE GOTTA DO THAT AGAIN? OR IS THIS DISTRICTS AND, UM, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN PROPOSED? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY IS ON NATIONAL REGISTER.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STAFF WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PUT ON A LIST AS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE ADOPTED IN LOCAL.

SO JUST NEW, LIKE NEW PROPERTIES OR, OR NEW AREAS, NEW CEMETERIES.

THIS IS ANYTHING THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED AS A HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

HOW DOES A SITE BECOME AN HISTORIC REGISTER ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD DO WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A REASON WHY YOU WANT THAT DONE, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, I DON'T REALLY, NO, I, I'M, I'M SURE THE FULL PROCESS FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER MY, IN 1993.

I DON'T SEE ANY SIGN CERVICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO IT.

BUT HEY, MAYBE I WANT IT ON THERE.

WHY WOULD I WANT IT ON THERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE, I'M JUST GIVING IT A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE, IS WE HAVE, UH, IF, IF THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, LIKE A, UM, COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN A RURAL AREA THAT IS NON-CONFORMING, WE HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE THAT THEY COULD ADAPTIVELY REUSE THE BUILDING USING ITS ORIGINAL INTENT.

SO IF IT WAS AN OLD STORE, THEN IT COULD BE REFURBISHED INTO A STORE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS.

AND SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I I'M NOT GONNA POINT OUT EXACTLY WHICH PROPERTY 'CAUSE WE'VE SPOKEN WITH A PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS A HISTORIC STORE.

IT'S NOT ON OUR ABOVE GROUND SURVEY, IT'S NOT UNDER A NATIONAL REGISTER, BUT IT VERY MUCH MEETS YOUR KIND OF VERNACULAR COUNTRY STORE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

'CAUSE THEN THEY COULD USE THAT PROVISION FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.

SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST GRANTS.

SO GOOD.

I'M TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THIS.

, JUST KIND OF GOING ON WHAT ROB WAS SAYING, THE OLD, UM, SEACOAST MEAT PACKING PLACE, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT.

UM, AS AN EXAMPLE.

'CAUSE THAT IS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC BUILDING.

SUPPOSE SOMEONE WANTED TO COME IN AND THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE FACADE AS IT WAS TO MAINTAIN ITS HISTORICAL PRESENCE.

COULD SOMEONE THEORETICALLY GO IN THERE AND SAY, WELL, I WANT TO TURN THIS INTO AN ART GALLERY.

WHERE WOULD I GET THE FUNDS FROM? IS THAT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO.

SO THIS WOULD NOT BE A WAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET A GRANT FROM THE COUNTY.

THIS IS A WAY FOR A COUNTY TO GET GRANT MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS WHAT THE CLG IS.

WHENEVER I BRING UP GRANTS, IT'S NOT FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THE COUNTY.

THIS IS TO HELP THE COUNTY WITH ITS, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE GRANT MONEY GOES TO THE COUNTY BUDGET.

HAS A LOT OF BURIAL SITES THAT AREN'T FULLY DEMARCATED AND THEY ARE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES AND THAT.

KRISTEN, CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION AS TO HOW, UM, YOU MAY USE THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY? FOR EXAMPLE, IS IT TO DO ADDITIONAL HISTORIC SURVEYS? IS IT TO, YEAH, SO LIKE I SAID, WE JUST HAD, WE JUST FINISHED THAT, UM, SURVEYING FOR ABOVE GROUND HISTORIC RESOURCES.

BUT THERE'S ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, ST.

HELENA ISLAND

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SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO RIGHT NOW LOOK AT UPDATING THAT CEMETERY, UM, SURVEY.

SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PERFECTLY, WOULD ALLOW US TO BECOME A CLG SO WE COULD APPLY FOR GRANTS TO CONTINUE THAT EFFORT WITH CEMETERIES.

KRISTEN, WAS THAT ORIGINAL SURVEY DONE IN WHAT, 1999? THE CEMETERY SURVEY? YES, MA'AM.

OF ST.

HELENA.

AND, AND IT'S KIND OF JUST STAYED ON THE SHELF SINCE THEN? UM, IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE STATE, I BELIEVE FOR UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL REASONS.

I MEAN, I HAVE IT, I USE IT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 99.

IT'S A COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO GO THROUGH? YOU MENTIONED GOING THROUGH IT FURTHER.

UM, WE, Y'ALL JUST WANNA START ON PAGE ONE AND THAT WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH WHAT ALL REALLY HAS BEEN DONE.

YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH THIS? I'LL JUST DO SUMMARIES.

I'M NOT GONNA DO WORD FOR WORD.

YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT, BUT I, I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO THANK YOU.

SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, I HAD TO SET UP A PURPOSE STATEMENT.

SO A LOT OF THIS LANGUAGE CAME FROM RY COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR PRECEDENT FOR THE STATE, FOR A COUNTY, UM, MUNICIPALITY TO HAVE THE CLG.

AND THEN I ADDED SOME DEFINITIONS.

UM, I DID NOTE THAT THE WORD PRESERVATION IS OUT OF ORDER, SO I WILL BE MOVING THAT SO THAT WAY IT'LL BE AFTER ORDINARY MAINTENANCE.

UM, SO THESE ARE DEFINITIONS THAT I WORKED WITH LEGAL AND WE DECIDED THAT SHOULD BE ADDED BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY AREN'T IN THE CDC CURRENTLY.

UM, AND THEN WE GO TO 5 10 30.

THIS JUST SETS UP THAT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A DESIGNATION AND INVENTORY DESIGNATED BY COUNSEL.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME WORDSMITHING FOR 5 10 50 FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

AND THEN YOU GO ON A COUPLE PAGES, 7 5 40.

THIS ONE ADDED THAT THERE'S, UM, FOR THE SORT PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD THAT ONE OF THEIR DUTIES IS TO REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DESIGNATING OF HISTORIC RESOURCES IN DISTRICTS.

'CAUSE BEFORE THEIR ONLY, UM, POWER AND DUTY WAS THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ADDING THIS LOCAL INVENTORY, THEY WILL HAVE THE POWER TO UM, REVIEW THOSE.

UM, AND THEN WE GO ON TO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THIS WAS ALSO JUST SOME CHANGES IN WORDINGS THAT WAY.

SO LIKE FOR A AND PURPOSE IT SAYS ALL NATIONAL REGISTER LISTED.

SO WE GOT RID OF THAT.

SO THAT WAY WE SAY THAT IT'S FOR BEAUFORT COUNTY'S HISTORIC LISTINGS.

AND THEN SO THE COA STANDARDS, UM, WE ADDED THE SECRETARY, UM, THE SECRETARY STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION THAT WOULD WE HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK THIS OFF OF.

UM, AND INCLUDING THE INTENT ALSO ADDED, UM, DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION.

RELOCATION WASN'T REALLY IN HERE BEFOREHAND.

AND THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RELOCATED, UM, ON ST.

HELENA.

SO DECIDED THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED.

OH, THE CEMETERIES IN THERE.

SORRY.

THERE'S SO MUCH, THERE'S SO MUCH.

I'M SO SORRY GUYS FOR OVERWHELMING.

Y'ALL WE'RE CEMETERIES.

I WILL GO THROUGH AND THEN GO BACK TO CEMETERIES.

UM, NEXT IS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.

THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW.

SO THIS IS THE WHOLE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, UM, PROCEDURES FOR CREATING THIS LOCAL DESIGNATION AND ADDING TO IT.

SO THERE'S THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS.

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AND THEN ON THE OTHER PAGE IS A CRITERIA FOR HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN THE NEXT PAGES ARE JUST THE SCHEDULING AND NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THEY ARE REQUIRED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF A PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S THAT.

I DO WANNA GO BACK TO, IS IT ROB? CAN I SEE YOURS? SORRY, I THINK THIS ONE WAS THE OLD OH, OKAY.

UM, BEFORE I ADDED THE CEMETERY BUFFERS.

SO ON 5 10 90, THIS IS LIKE THE SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH PAGE.

UM, THERE'S SECTION CEMETERY BUFFERS.

I WANNA KNOW IF Y'ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE.

SO WE'RE THINKING A 20 FOOT BUFFER IS REQUIRED FOR THOSE BURIAL SITES THAT ARE CLEARLY DEMARCATED WITH HEADSTONES.

UM, AND THEN A 50 FOOT BUFFER WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE WHERE THE TRUE EXTENT IS NOT VISIBLE AND OR HAS NOT BEEN SURVEYED BOTH ABOVE GROUND AND WITH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR.

SO THIS WOULD HELP, UM, DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR AWAY FROM THESE HISTORIC BURIAL SITES.

U UNDER B TWO THERE.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT? UM, LIDAR OR ABOVE GROUND SURVEY.

IS IT THE COUNTY? IS IT THE CHURCH THAT OWNS THE CEMETERY? IT WOULD BE WHOEVER'S TRYING TO DEVELOP ON THAT PROPERTY.

THEY WOULD BE DEVELOP NEAR THE PROPERTY.

NO, ANYONE THAT'S TRYING TO DEVELOP WITHIN THAT BUFFER, UM, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT GROUND PENETRATING RADAR WORK.

I WAS WONDERING, WONDERING WHY YOU CALLED IT.

UM, 5 10 90 ACCESS TO CEMETERIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES STRUCK OUT PRIVATE CEMETERIES BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN GLOVER MIGHT KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO THAT THE CEMETERIES ON ST.

HELENA ARE REALLY OVERSEEN AND OVERLOOKED BY YES, DIFFERENT CHURCH CONGREGATIONS.

UM, THAT WAS JUST FOR THE LABEL OF THAT SECTION.

IT'S BECAUSE THE PRIVATE, THE CEMETERY SECTION HAS ACCESS TO CEMETERIES UNDER IT.

AND THEN THERE'S A SECTION B, WHICH IS CEMETERY BUFFERS.

SO I DIDN'T GET RID OF ANYTHING THAT ALREADY EXISTED.

I JUST HAD TO CHANGE THE WORDING SO THAT WAY I COULD ADD SUBSECTIONS UNDER IT.

AND IS THERE A PENALTY OR A PROVISION IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PROVE A REASON WHY HE OR SHE IS IMPEDING, YOU KNOW, OR ENTERING THE, THE BUFFER ZONE? IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS? I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE ZBOA MAYBE, UM, TO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN THERE'S A VIOLATION TO IMPEDE INTO THE BUFFER NEIGHBORS SAY, GEE, THIS IS IMPEDING OUR ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY OF OUR FOREBEARERS.

UM, WHAT IS THE COUNTY'S ROLE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT? SO , WE'VE HAD THIS, UM, COME UP BEFORE AND WE THEN REQUIRED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPLETE A, UM, SOME GROUND PENETRATING RADAR WORK BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR PERMIT TO BUILD.

UM, AND THEN YOU SIGN OFF ON IT IF YOU FEEL THEY'VE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE.

AND HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE THERE BEEN, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? FIVE A HUNDRED, ANY OF THOSE? YOU'RE YOU'RE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHEN THERE WAS A KNOWN CEMETERY NEAR A HOUSE AND THERE WAS QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THAT CEMETERY? SURE.

AND I'M SPEAKING IN, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING IN 1980, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO.

I, I DON'T HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF THAT, BUT RECENTLY THERE'S REAL, SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE IN THE CHIESI AREA WHERE THERE WAS A KNOWN, UH, OLDER CEMETERY ON THAT SITE.

AND WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE STATE TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY FELT WAS REASONABLE AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE FROM THE, THE, THE MARKERS ON THAT SITE AND WHETHER A GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, THEY RECOMMENDED THE HOME BUILDER TO CONDUCT THAT GROUND PENETRATING RADAR SURVEY.

THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME I HAD EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN SOMETHING LIKE

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THAT.

ANOTHER CASE, AND THIS IS DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S ALSO SHOWING AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE THAT IS CLOSE TO ENCROACHING ON THE CEMETERY.

THIS WAS ONE WHERE THE SITE FOR THE CEMETERY WAS SURVEYED ON THE PLAT, BUT WHEN THE DEVELOPER OR WHOEVER IT, IT WAS A MODULAR HOME, THEY BROUGHT THE HOME IN AND PUT IT RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE CEMETERY.

AND THAT CREATED, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHERE HAVING THAT BUFFER REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, ONE WHERE IT WAS SURVEYED.

SO WE WOULD SAY, I THINK IT'S A 20 FEET, 25 FEET TO PUT THE HOUSE AND, AND NOT TO ENCROACH IN THAT AREA IN THE CASE OF WHERE THERE WAS NOT CLEARLY DEFINED THAT IT'S 50 FEET FROM THE NEAREST.

BUT, UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY.

OH NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I, I APPRECIATE IT.

I I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME CEMETERIES THAT ARE NOT THAT WELL DEMARCATED.

YEAH, I THAT THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN LEARNING.

JUST WHAT I, AND I THINK IS, YOU'RE AWARE YEAH.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY PUSHING FOR TRYING TO GET MORE SURVEYING DONE, YOU KNOW, TO ESPECIALLY AREAS WHERE THEY'RE THE COUNTY WILL FOOT THAT BILL.

WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT THESE CHANGES WILL BE ACCEPTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, UM, FOR THE CLG NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF HASHED THIS LANGUAGE OUT? DO YOU FEEL PRETTY GOOD THAT WHEN YOU SUBMIT THIS THEY'RE GONNA SAY YES, THAT MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS OR, YEAH, AND I LOOK THROUGH ALSO THE APPLICATION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT EVERYTHING.

AND THERE'S ALSO, UM, THERE'S LIKE AN EXAMPLE ONE THAT THE, OH, I HAVE IT OVER THERE THAT THE STATE HAS PROVIDED.

IT'S DOESN'T GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS AN ACTUAL ONE AN ACTUAL HISTORIC ORDINANCE WOULD GO INTO, BUT IF IT HIT ALL THOSE NECESSARY POINTS, SO I, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT AND I ALSO WORKED WITH THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GOOD TO GO.

SO , IF IT DOESN'T THEN I'M GONNA BLAME THE STATE AND NOT MY MYSELF.

I'M JUST KIDDING.

AND MY SECOND QUESTION WAS JUST IN TERMS OF, UM, PROCESS NOW, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, UM, IF THIS WAS ADOPTED, I GUESS THEN THE, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD WOULD FIRST LOOK AT THE NATIONAL REGISTER SITES AS YEAH.

THE FIRST STEP AND THEN YES SIR.

I THINK I AM GOING TO MAYBE TRY TO GO FOR MAYBE LIKE A JULY MEETING WITH THEM, UM, AND HAVE A LIST OF THOSE STARTER ONES, ALL THOSE LIKE NATIONAL REGISTER SITES, SO THAT WAY WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE.

AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE COMING MONTHS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ONES THAT WERE IN THAT UPDATED SURVEY AND LOOK AT ONES THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR LOCAL INVENTORY DESIGNATION.

BUT YEAH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER ONES ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE THE FIRST 'CAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE EASIEST ONES TO JUST ZIP THROUGH 'CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF HAD THAT PROCESS DONE WHERE THEY HAD TO FOLLOW THOSE STANDARDS.

THANK YOU KRISTEN.

AND, UH, SECTION SEVEN, THREE A, OH, UM, B TWO YOU REFER TO THE, UH, THE APPLICATION CAN BE INITIATED BY COUNTY COUNCIL.

THE DIRECTOR.

WHO'S THE DIRECTOR? THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE ROB.

ROB OR THE ROB OR HIS APPOINTEE.

WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD SAY IT THAT WAY.

'CAUSE THE DIRECTOR, IT'S SO DIRECTOR IS DEFINED IN THE CDC ALREADY.

OH, IT IS? MM-HMM .

YES SIR.

SO IT'S AT THE END IN THE DEFINITIONS.

AND THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION REVIEW, REVIEW, REVIEW BOARD, IS THAT A COUNTY ORGANIZATION OR IS IT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? THAT'S WITH THE COUNTY.

IT IS.

I KNOW MY PRE PREMATURE TO THINK ABOUT THIS AT THIS POINT, BUT IS THERE INTENT TO PROMOTE THIS, UH, THIS NEW PROCESS IN GENERAL TO THE PUBLIC? UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME EDUCATIONAL PROCESS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE OR BEFORE.

IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED A, A, A FURTHER PROCESS IN THE REVIEW OF HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, UH, INCLUDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN APPEAL PROCESS, WHICH MEANS NEW STAKEHOLDERS ARE GONNA BE MADE VISIBLE TO THIS PROCESS.

AND, AND YOU CAN TELL BY THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES AND THE DEFINITIONS AND WHAT'S ELIGIBLE AND WHAT ISN'T ELIGIBLE, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, NEW AND PERHAPS CONFUSING TO MANY STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.

DIVERSE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, WHETHER THEY BE THE PUBLIC OR THEY BE THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY OR THEY BE IN MAYBE RENOVATORS OR WHOEVER.

UM,

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YEAH, FOR SURE.

I ALSO JUST THINK THAT IT, THOSE WORKING IN CONSTRUCTIONS ARE ALREADY IN THE LOW COUNTRY KNOW WHAT A HISTORIC, UM, DESIGNATION IS.

SO IF YOU WORK IN BLUFFTON, IF YOU WORK IN CHARLESTON, IF YOU WORK IN BEAUFORT, IT'S KIND OF ALREADY A THING THAT'S ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE LOW COUNTRY.

I'M JUST, WE'RE KINDA A LITTLE BEHIND BECAUSE WE ARE A COUNTY, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

BUT AS FAR AS LIKE AN INFORMATION SESSION, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, YEAH, ONCE THIS PASSES, I THINK THAT THIS HISTORIC BOARD WILL DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN DOING.

HMM.

I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON ED'S QUESTION VERY MUCH.

MINE, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT I CAN FIND, LIKE FAQS OR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

IT SAYS WHAT THE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT REVIEW BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY BOARD.

BUT IT'S KIND OF LACKING.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A DIRECT EXAMPLE.

ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WHOSE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1892, KNOCKED AT MY DOOR.

I'VE NEVER MET THE MAN EXCEPT HE KNOCKED AT MY DOOR THREE TIMES IN THREE DAYS THIS LAST WEEK AND SAID, AM I IN COMPLIANCE? AM I NOT? WHAT DO I DO? WHERE DO I GO? AND SO I COPIED THIS FOR HIM AND SAID, HE SAID, WELL, I'LL GO DOWN TO THE COUNTY TOMORROW MORNING.

I SAID, WE'LL ACTUALLY GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW.

LIKE WHAT IS IT YOU'RE GONNA ASK THE COUNTY OF PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

HE'S COMPLETELY AT SEA.

I DON'T THINK HE'S TRYING TO DO ANYTHING EGREGIOUS, BUT HE SIMPLY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I THINK HE'S WELL-MEANING.

SO LIKE ED, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THE HECK OUTTA THIS.

IN TERMS OF EDUCATION.

AND GO, BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK REALTORS ARE REALLY STEPPING UP TO THE TABLE ON THIS ONE.

UH, WE'VE HAD REALTORS IN HERE BEFORE WHEN IT WAS CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES AND FLOODING ISSUES.

I, I PUSHED THE PERSON WHO, UM, SOLD THE HOUSE AND SAID, REMIND ME WHO YOUR REALTOR IS BECAUSE THIS IS, THE GUY HASN'T GOTTEN THE MESSAGE AGAIN.

I, I THINK HE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING.

I GET THAT.

BUT THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY AT SEA.

SO, SO I'D PUSH THAT IF I MAY, UM, AS HARD AS YOU CAN EITHER ON THE WEBSITE OR THROUGH INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS OR A, I DUNNO, A BROCHURE THAT YOU CAN PUT OUT THERE.

YEAH, FOR SURE.

OUT THERE.

I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THIS, ALL THIS PROCESS AND JUST, AND ALSO UPDATING INVENTORY OF OUR SURVEYS JUST TO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

SO I DEFINITELY PLAN TO GO OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND MAYBE COUNTY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW.

WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR ONE OF THEIR OFFSITE MEETINGS.

DO ANY OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A SIMILAR PROCESS WITHIN THEIR MUNICIPALITY FOR DESIGNATED PROPERTIES? MM-HMM .

AND THEY ALREADY HAVE THERE, DO THEY HAVE THEIR LOCAL DESIGNATION THAT GOES UP TO THE STATE ALREADY? OR ARE WE JUST CATCHING UP WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES? WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES.

THEY HAVE VERY SIMILAR PROCESSES AS THIS.

WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

MM-HMM .

OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I GUESS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

ROB, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REPLACING A SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT REFERENCED, AND I'M JUST SUMMARYING SUMMARIZING WHAT KRISTEN SAID.

WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS OUR REQUIREMENTS APPLY TO NATIONAL REGISTER SITES AND THOSE IN THE, THE ABOVE GROUND SURVEY.

AND WE'RE LEARNING THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

SO WE WERE DOING SOMETHING THE SAME WAY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS, BUT THIS IS NOW, I GUESS WE'RE STEPPING UP THE GAME SO THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN THE, THE PROPER WAY THAT IS MORE DEFENSIBLE AS WELL.

SO.

WELL I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.

I MEAN YEP.

THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED THAT BEING BURIAL GROUNDS OR SACRED GROUNDS OR ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG GROUNDS OUT IN THE ST.

HELEN AREA.

AND I CAN IMAGINE YOU MIGHT GET A, A LITANY OF REQUESTS AND APPLICATIONS.

UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO TALK LAST MEETING FOR FOUR HOURS.

NOW I CAN, I'M MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME.

UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS TO THE DEGREE THE, THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOUR FINDINGS ARE AVAILABLE

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TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, SO EXHIBIT A WOULD BE OBVIOUS, PINE ISLAND.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY DONE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE CEMETERIES OUT THERE.

UM, I, I THINK THAT'S JUST A BIG BLACK HOLE OF NOT KNOWING.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE, HOW DO YOU INTEND NOT, NOT THE PROCESS THAT ED AND I BROUGHT UP TO YOU, BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT IS ONGOING FOR, LET US SAY, CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY? THAT ONE GETS A LITTLE HARD, UM, WITH, WHENEVER IT COMES TO ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES.

UM, THAT IS, WELL THERE MIGHT BE A CEMETERY THERE, I SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, AND THAT'S, AND IF THERE IS, THAT MAY BE PART OF THE CEMETERY, THE UPDATE TO THE CEMETERY, UM, RESOURCES.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS AVAILABLE TO GET THE 1999, UM, CEMETERY SURVEY.

THEY ALSO HAVE IT, THE BEAU FOR, I THINK THE HISTORIC FOUNDATION HAS ONE THAT YOU CAN, UM, USE.

BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.

WE DO HAVE ALSO RIGHT NOW ON THE WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT ALL OF THE, UM, SO RESOURCES FROM THE 19 98 99 ABOVE GROUND.

IT'S JUST, YEAH, ARCHEOLOGICAL IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHENEVER THE STATE COMES IN AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IF IT CAN BE DISCLOSED OR NOT.

SURE.

I I I'VE HEARD THAT.

BUT IT'S YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE THIS MADE MORE PUBLIC OR TO PUT IT ON A, THE COUNTY WEBSITE IN SOME WAY.

UM, FOR THIS, LIKE DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? WELL, FOR THE CEMETERY UPGRADES, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I HAVE A MAP, YOU KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW, PRODUCED IN THE 1950S MAYBE USGS MAP THAT HAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF NOT ALL, MOST OF THE CEMETERIES ON ST.

ELNA.

SO I KIND OF KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND I'VE BEEN THERE AND SOME ARE ACCESSIBLE, SOME ARE NOT.

SOME HAVE NO BOUNDARY AROUND THEM, AS I MENTIONED, NO DEMARCATION.

OTHERS DO.

IF YOU RIDE DOWN SEASIDE ROAD WITH AN OLDER MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT MEMBER WILL SAY, OH, THAT'S A BIG HOUSE, OR MM-HMM YOU KNOW, THAT'S CHERRY HILL OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

THAT'S UR.

UM, SO THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN INSTITUTIONAL AND LIVING HISTORY, THERE ARE, THERE'S KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE CEMETERIES.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THE COUNTY INTENDS TO SYSTEMATICALLY GO THROUGH, I DON'T ALPHABETICALLY, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE A JOB TO DO, BUT YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THOSE INVENTORIED IN A WAY THAT IS BETTER THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN 1999.

UM, I DO THINK THAT WITH THIS ALSO WE WOULD ADD A GIS LAYER.

SURE.

UM, SO I THINK SENSE THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS EXPLORED.

WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAYBE KEEPING SOME, I, PART OF THE CEMETERY SURVEY TOO IS CREATING BOUNDARIES WITH IT.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE CORRECTLY WHENEVER WE DO SH IF WE WERE TO SHARE IT WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR SPECIFIC ONES, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF IT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT.

WITH CHURCH ELDERS YOU MEAN? OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

THANKS.

ANYTHING ELSE, ? NOPE, THAT'S ME.

ALRIGHT, LET'S BRING THE DISCUSSION UP TO DS.

UM, OR ANY COMMENTS? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AMONGST OURSELVES? QUESTIONS? I'LL JUST SAY ONE THING.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS AND, AND SOMEWHERE DURING THE COURSE OF ROB'S DIRECTIVES TO YOU OF THINGS TO DO.

YOU KNOW, YOU FOUND THIS TO BE, UH, A HURDLE TO GET OVER, IN OTHER WORDS, TRYING TO GET THIS GRANT MONEY AND IT'S, IT'S APPARENT THAT THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS WILL HOPEFULLY ALLOW YOU TO OVERCOME THOSE HURDLES GOING FORWARD TO BE MUCH EASIER.

UH, I'D LIKE TO THINK TOO IN THE POSITIVE SENSE THAT HOPEFULLY THIS'LL, THIS'LL HELP KEEP BEAUFORT COUNTY, BEAUFORT COUNTY AND NOT TURN INTO HORRY COUNTY, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE LOOKING INTO THIS AND COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MEANINGFUL TO THE COUNTY.

BUT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

MY, MY ONLY FEAR WOULD BE IS I HOPE THAT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU PUT IN AND THE SIZE OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE OF THE COUNTY ISN'T GONNA INCREASE THE WORKLOAD BECAUSE IT'S GREAT TO PROTECT THE OLD, BUT THERE'S NEW COMING EVERY DAY.

AND I KNOW THAT'S GOTTA BE ALMOST INSURMOUNTABLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS KEEP UP WITH IT SOMETIMES, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.

AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK ON THAT.

I, I TOO, I APPRECIATE

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A PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY CAN BE PROUD OF AND GET, CAN GET POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT AND MAKE IT EXTREMELY MORE VISIBLE TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS WHO MAY HAVE AN INTEREST BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

SO I'M HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE ACCOMPANIED, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, BY A PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN OF SOME SORT, WHETHER IT BE BY INDUSTRY OR WHETHER IT BE BY PHYSICAL GROUP AND COMMUNITY AREAS.

I DON'T KNOW OTHER COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY'D LIKE TO OFFER.

IF NOT, CAN I HEAR A MOTION FOR THE STAFF'S REPORT? SURE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

COULD YOU, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT SIR? UM, JUST LIKE LAST MONTH, WHEN YOU DO A TEXT MAP AMENDMENT OR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA AND THE SAME CRITERIA THAT ROB LAID OUT IN A STAFF REPORT.

BUT I PREFERRED, UH, PREPARED THIS FORMAT, UH, THAT ROB, WELL ACTUALLY ROB PREPARED THIS, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO, THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH TO LIST THE CRITERIA.

I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THE CRITERIA THAT MATCH UP WITH THE STAFF REPORT THAT ROB PREPARED FOR YOU.

YOU CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE OR DISPROVE, YOU NEED TO LIST THE CRITERIA.

SO WHOEVER'S GONNA MAKE THE MOTION, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

IF WE WANNA MAKE IT TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT, IS THERE A REASON STILL TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT? AS LONG AS WE ACCEPT IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO DEFEND.

FIRST OF ALL, IT TELLS COUNSEL EXACTLY WHAT YOU CONSIDER IS LAID OUT AND THEN IF IT'S EVER APPEALED OR CHALLENGED AT COURT, WE CAN SHOW THE HISTORY AS FAR AS YOU WENT THROUGH EACH CRITERIA AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CONSIDERED.

SO WE CAN DEFEND IT BETTER.

AND WE'VE LEARNED THAT LESSON THE HARD WAY, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THANK YOU SIR.

JUST BEFORE I, WELL, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION.

DO I? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION YOU WANT.

OH SURE.

I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE THAT BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION.

SORRY, I, I KNOW WHAT'S IN IT.

UM, I, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORT THE STAFF DECISION.

UM, AND I, I THINK I WILL GO INTO THAT IN A MOMENT ON A TEXT AMENDMENT TO TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE DIVISION 5.10, SECTION 7.2 0.1 20, SECTION 7.38, SECTION 7.4 50 INCLUDING BOTH ITEMS IN THAT SECTION, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SCHEDULE AND NOTICE AND PROCESS REGARDING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD.

THE CASE NUMBER IS C DPA 0 0 0 0 5 2 2 0 2 5.

AND IN SUPPORTING, UM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, I MOVE THAT WE GRANT THE REQUEST FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

ONE THROUGH SEVEN INCLUSIVE SECOND THAT SATISFACTORY.

IS THAT SATISFACTORY YOU SAYING THAT? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU SAID CRITERIA.

THAT'S WHAT SAID THAT THE STAFF MET IN STAFF RECOMMENDATION THOSE ONE THROUGH SEVEN WERE MET.

AND SHOULDN'T WE REFERENCE THAT? EXCUSE ME.

YOU PREFER THAT WE WRITE ALL SEVEN THE STANDARDS? YES SIR.

EXCUSE ME.

ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE, DIDN'T CHRIS, KRISTEN, DIDN'T YOU SAY AT THE BEGINNING THAT THERE WAS ONE AMENDMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE TO THIS DOCUMENT AND DO WE HAVE TO REFERENCE THAT IN WHAT WE ARE IN THE MOTION PROPO IN THE MOTION, SHE'S GONNA CALL IT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR AND REORGANIZE ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS AND YEAH, IT'S JUST ONE OTHER SECTION THAT SHE'LL MAKE BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL COMMITTEE.

AND THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE WILL PRE, UH, RECEIVE THAT, UH, IN THE ORDER THAT SHE WANTS IT TO BE IN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE, SHE'S LET HER CLEAN IT UP FOR, UH, COUNCIL AT THAT POINT AND SHE'LL EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS WHERE SHE ORGANIZED IT AND WHAT THE CHANGE IS.

BUT IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE CHANGING ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS TO PUT IT IN THE PROPER ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER CHANGE YOU TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER AMENDMENT ALPHABETICAL ORDER RATHER.

I JUST PUT IT IN THE ORDER THAT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

IT WAS THAT THAT ONE WASN'T IN, THAT'S OUT OF ORDER.

WHAT WAS THE OTHER CHANGE? ALPHABET? UM, UH,

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7 3 80 B SIX AND SEVEN.

YOU CAN JUST REORGANIZE IT.

I'M CHANGING THE FORTIES TO TO EIGHTIES.

OKAY, THEN YOU NEED TO CHANGE, UH, SECTION 7.3 0.80, PARAGRAPH B SEVEN TO READ 7.3 80 C EIGHT ZERO C AND 7 3 8 0 D.

SAME THING WITH SIX ON THE LAST.

SAME THING WITH SIX.

THE 7.340 D TO 7.3 0.80 D.

UM, AND THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THAT REGARD.

AS FAR AS JUST HAVING THE WRONG SECTION BY ONE NUMBER.

SHE'LL FIX THAT AND CLEAN THAT UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL READ THE SEVEN STANDARDS FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD.

I'M HAPPY TO SURE, GO AHEAD.

UM, SHALL I PUT THE STANDARD OUT, UM, FROM THE STAFF IS CONSISTENT WITH AND FURTHERS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT CODE? THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE COUNTY'S HISTORIC AND CULTURAL LANDSCAPE PER STRATEGY.

C TWO IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH ANY PROVISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

NO, IT IS NOT IN CONFLICT.

THREE ADDRESSES A DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY NEED.

IT GIVES THE COUNTY MORE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR HISTORICAL SURVEYING AND PROTECTIONS.

FOUR IS REQUIRED BY CHANGED CONDITIONS.

YES, IT IS REQUIRED AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW.

THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING HISTORIC CHARACTER DOES AS WELL.

I THINK THESE ARE EXTREMELY WELL REASONED.

FIVE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE ZONES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR WOULD IMPROVE COMPATIBILITY AMONG USES AND ENSURE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY.

YES, IT IS CONSISTENT.

THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD IMPROVE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE CREATION OF LOCAL HISTORIC RESOURCES AND DISTRICTS THAT REQUIRE REVIEW FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW BOARD IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

VERY IMPORTANT WOULD RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

SEE PROCEEDING NUMBER FIVE SEVEN WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER, AIR, NOISE, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WILDLIFE, VEGETATION, WETLANDS, AND THE NATURAL FUNCTIONING OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION STANDS APPROVED.

IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE IMPACTS.

ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO THE NATIONAL RESOURCES PROTECTION TREE PROTECTION, WETLAND PROTECTION AND STORMWATER STANDARDS IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THE STORMWATER BMP MANUAL.

THAT'S IT.

SO WE HAVE SEVEN OUTTA NINE.

I THINK ALL OF THOSE, PARDON ME? SEVEN, UM, EXPLANATIONS AND, AND UH, RATIONALES FROM THE COUNTY STAFF ARE EXTREMELY GOOD AND EXTREMELY ACCURATE.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? OH YES, I KNOW THAT.

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO GIVE US THE OKAY TO GO FORWARD.

ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND.

SECOND FROM PETE.

ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

RAISE YOUR HAND.