[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
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          . ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES ARE TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE INDIVISIBLE. 
          THANK YOU CHRISTIAN BE FOR YOUR NOTIFICATIONS BEEN ALL SET OUT ? YES. YES. OKAY. 
          [APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES — April 7, 2025 Workshop and  Regular ]
THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US. OKAY. WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF A MEETING MINUTES FOR APRIL 7TH. BOTH THE WORKSHOP AND THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          LET'S START WITH THE WORKSHOP, SIR. CAN YOU NOT HEAR US? I MEAN SPEAK UP WHEN YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW MICROPHONE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO USE HERE. IS THAT BETTER? CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME? HELLO? HELLO? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GIVE IT OUR BEST SHOT. LET'S GO FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MANY COMMENTS ARE ABOUT THE WORKSHOP AGENDA THAT WE HAD THE WORKSHOP MINUTES NO OBJECTIONS WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED NOW HOW ABOUT THE REGULAR MEETING FOR MONDAY APRIL 7TH ANY CHANGES MODIFICATION WINS? NO OBJECTION THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          [5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ]
OKAY ANY QUESTIONS? THE AGENDA OKAY. WITHOUT OBJECTION THE AGENDA IS 
          [6. CITIZEN COMMENTS — NON-AGENDA ITEMS ]
APPROVED AS IS. ALL RIGHT. IT'S JUST A PERIOD TIME WHEN WE COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS RELATED TO NON NON AGENDA ITEMS NON AGENDA ITEMS. BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT I'M GOING TO JUST READ SOME INSTRUCTIONS SO WE THIS MEETING IN A FAIR AND RESPECTABLE MANNER IF YOU'D LIKE TO TALK PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST TO THE SPEAKER AS TAKING THE APPLICATIONS FOR THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNER OVER THAT CORNER WHEN YOU SIGN UP JUST SIGN UP FOR YOURSELF YOU'LL BE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE RESPECTFUL LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS. 
          BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT YOU'RE IN AT THE PODIUM. 
          PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE PUBLIC RECORD AND STAY PLEASE AT THE PODIUM THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE BECOMES A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AS DOES ALL COURSE BOND US ON THIS ISSUE OR ANY ISSUE DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS? PLEASE I'D AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY OFFERED. 
          WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS A LOT FASTER AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. 
          PLEASE PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE. CAN YOU JUST SPEAK WITH CALLER PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE ROOM AND IT'S JUST JUST A REMINDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL AS SUCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON ANY ISSUE GOES FORWARD TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE THEN TO COUNTY FOR THEIR RULE REVIEW AND VOTING DETERMINATION. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP IN THE REVIEW PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION ULTIMATELY BY COUNTY COUNCIL BUT THAT SAID ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON NON AGENDA ITEMS AS I HAVE A COUPLE OF REPRESENTED TO ME FOR LEASE LAMARCA LAMARCA YES THANK YOU MR. PAPPAS YOU'RE FELICE LAMARCA HILTON HEAD OKATIE AND BEAUFORT. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC AGENDA. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES I WOULD LOVE FOR THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT AND TO UP AND MAYBE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I AM YOU REMEMBER ME FROM CHERRY POINT SO I AM ALL ABOUT QUALITY OVER QUANTITY WHENEVER A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF LAND I IN BEAUFORT 
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COUNTY YOU ALWAYS CONSIDER THE IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND AS REALTOR WHO'S AN ANATHEMA TO HER OWN PROFESSION AND I ALWAYS EMPHASIZE OVER QUANTITY AND I KNOW THAT YOU DO TOO I'VE BEEN IN YOUR IN THIS ROOM MANY WITH YOU SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AND TAKE IS THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. I WILL BE I HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE TALKING TO COUNTY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AS DEVELOPERS COME TO YOU THEY BRING YOU DEVELOPER AGREEMENTS AND PROCESS IS FLAWED IN THAT THE AGREEMENT IS NOT IN PLACE BEFORE YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON A ZONING OR A REZONING ISSUE THAT WHOLE PROCESS NEEDS TO CHANGE THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE IF IT'S A STATE STATUTE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE STATUTE. TELL ME HOW TO HELP DO THAT. THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS EXPIRE IN FIVE YEARS TO TEN YEARS. WHY ARE THEY NOT IN PERPETUITY? WHY DO THEY NOT RUN WITH THE LAND? MY LAST ITEM IF YOU COMMISSIONERS COULD EXPLAIN &-PS BECAUSE IT'S TALKED ABOUT ON DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PIECES OF PROPERTY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL US UNDERSTAND BY RIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THANK YOU THE NEXT NAME I HAVE ADELAIDE IT LOOKS LIKE SALES ADELAIDE SALES. 
          ALL RIGHT. I HOPE I DID THAT. HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS ADELAIDE SALES. OH THE THING WITH THE PINE ISLAND THE THE WAS A CALL FINALLY LET ME LET ME STOP YOU THERE THAT'S ISSUE THAT WE'RE TAKING UP TONIGHT SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SPEAK UP DURING THAT PERIOD THIS IS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS THIS PERIOD OF TIME I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU BRING LATER ON I PUT THAT BACK OVER HERE OKAY ALL RIGHT MEANING I 
          [7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING  MAP FOR 86.16 ACRES LOCATED AT 98 JENNINGS ROAD (R100 028  000 0264 0000) FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T3 HAMLET  NEIGHBORHOOD (T3HN) AND T4 HAMLET CENTER (T4HC)  UTILIZING THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO) ]
HAVE NO FURTHER AND NON AGENDA COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS WE'LL GO TO THE ACTION ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN ITERATION OF AN ORDINANCE THE ZONING MAP OR 86.6 ACRES LOCATED AT 98 JOHN JENNINGS ROAD FROM TEE TO RURAL 2 TO 3 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD TO 3HN AND T FOR HAMLET CENTER T FOR H.C. UTILIZING THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY TO MERCHANT MERCHANT ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR UP THERE LISTED RIGHT HERE CAN WE WE HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK AT THAT MR.. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN MAY INTERJECT FOR JUST A MOMENT BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND WHILE THE APPLICANT STARTS GET PREPARED JUST FOR THE RECORD MY IS RICHARDSON LA BRUCE I'M AN ATTORNEY ON HILTON HEAD AND I AM REPRESENTING PLANNING COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT. 
          ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS IF POSSIBLE IS TO TRY TO LIMIT BACKGROUND NOISE AS AS WE CAN. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESERVE A RECORD AUDIO RECORD OF EVERYTHING THAT TRANSPIRES HERE TONIGHT FROM WHAT THE PUBLIC TO WHAT THE THE COMMISSION HERE DELIBERATES AND THE STATEMENTS THAT MAKE. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MINIMIZE BACKGROUND NOISE IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR A CLEAN RECORD BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH AN INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS WAS DONE THE PROPER WAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT AND I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY HAVE. OKAY. YEAH AND I CAN'T TELL UNLESS YOU TELL ME IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING ME. CAN YOU HEAR ME? 
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NOT SO GOOD IN THE FRONT ROW HERE. WE'RE NOT CLEAR. 
          I'M CERTAINLY I'M SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO YOU YET AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU EXACTLY IN THE ECHO WHICH IS ABOUT AN AGO. LET ME SUGGEST THAT I'VE BEEN AT RECESS AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS HERE FOR WEEK IS NOBODY CAN ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS WHILE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE AUDIO THEY CAN'T HEA INTO SESSION. I THINK WE'RE AT POINT WE'VE INTRODUCED THE FIRST TOPIC. 
          MR. MERCHANT WOULD YOU COME UP AND SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY IF. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? IS THIS BETTER? I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY, SO THIS FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS IS PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT LOCATED 98 JENNINGS ROAD. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY ACROSS THE STREET BATTERY CREEK HIGH SCHOOL IN THE BURTON AREA. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS LOOKED AT THIS AT THEIR APRIL MEETING AND AT THAT TIME THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE MAKE A FEW REVISIONS TO THE PLAN ADDRESS STAFF COMMENTS. WHAT THIS PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT WOULD DO IS THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS TOO RURAL AND 1986 ACRES. THE APPLICANT IS TO USE THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY OPTION WHICH IS SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE. THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS A HAMLET PLACE TYPE IN THE IN THE BURTON AREA AND SO AS A RESULT THE MIX OF DISTRICT THAT THEY ARE THAT ARE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE FOR THAT THEY'RE CHOOSING TO USE T FOR HAMLET CENTER FOR THE FRONT PORTION JENNINGS ROAD I GUESS ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT THE LAST MEETING STAFF HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACTUAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IT WASN'T MEETING SOME OF THE REQUIRED OF THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND THE PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT APPLY TO THAT SPECIFICALLY THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THE OPEN SPACE AND HOW THEY WERE IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN. THEY WEREN'T LABELED PROPERLY AND THERE IS SOME ALSO REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF CIVIC SPACES TO BE WITHIN 500 FEET OF LOTS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. IN ADDITION, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE WAY THE DISTRICTS WERE MAPPED IN THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT BECAUSE THE MOST INTENSE DISTRICT AT T FOR HAMLET CENTER APPLIED SEVERAL AREAS THAT WERE DESIGNATED AS EITHER OPEN SPACE OR BUFFERS OR STORMWATER PONDS AND SO THAT WAS A CONCERN STAFF HAD. IN ADDITION, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF JENNINGS ROAD BECAUSE THEY HAD TOWN FRONTING JENNINGS ROAD BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A IT'S A RURAL CROSS SECTION WITH YOU KNOW, DITCHES, DRAINAGE DITCHES AND THE APPLICANT HAS MADE REVISIONS TO THE REGULATING PLAN TO ADDRESS THE MAPPING COMMENTS THEY'VE LABELED THERE. THEY'VE CORRECTED THE OPEN SPACE AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A CROSS SECTION JENNINGS ROAD AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. ONCE AGAIN IT'S A STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH COUNTY COUNCIL A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO BEST DETERMINE THE NEEDS FOR AFFORDABLE IN THE AREA. 
          THERE ARE THERE IS A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THAT PROVIDES SOME REFERENCES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT IS IF THEY ARE GOING TO PURSUE THAT AND IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN THIS CONSIDERING THIS APPLICATION THAT THAT BE ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT THEY LOOK AT IN ADDITION YOU KNOW WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANTS THEY'RE VERY YOU KNOW WE'VE MADE OUR POINT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU CAN'T ALTER THE STANDARDS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND SO ONCE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 
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THAT IS PART OF THE RECORD IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY ANYTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALTER THE STANDARDS OF THE DISTRICT SINCE THEY'RE CHANGING THE ZONING TO ADOPT THEM SO THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THAT I AM ENTERTAINING YOUR QUESTIONS HERE ANYWAY THE APPLICANT IS ALSO ASKED TO ANY QUESTIONS AND MR. MERCHANT. THANK YOU THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME UP WITH WHOEVER IS SPEAKING FOR THE OC WELL ROB MERICA POLICY HOLMES LET ME START BY TELLING YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK. WE ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN THIS PROJECT. WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE A PLAN THAT WORKS WELL WITHIN COMMUNITY AND ALSO FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR OUR PLAN REGARDING ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US AND OUR JOSH TAYLOR IS HERE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. JOSHUA AND A SPEAKER UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. OKAY. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU PROPOSED TONIGHT THAT'S A DRAFT VERSION THAT YOU GUYS WROTE. SO THE ANSWER YOU GUYS GAVE US A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? YES, SIR, WE DID. WHICH I'M ASSUMING FAVORS EVERYTHING. 
          AND FOR YOU THE STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK AT IT. YES, STAFF HAS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT AND AS FOR US FAVORING EVERYTHING FOR US FROM WHEN WE BUILT THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BASED OFF FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHER ITEMS SO THAT AND AS WELL AS A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS BUILT UP. IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT $1,000,000 WORTH OF ECONOMIC THAT'S GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ITSELF. OKAY. 
          THANK. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. ONLY COUNTY COUNCIL CAN NEGOTIATE A DEVELOPMENT NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS PRIMARY ON THIS ZONING MAP APPLICATION IS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT DENSITY AND ITS IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. 
          ZONING MAP AMENDMENT STANDARD ASK IF THE ZONING CHANGE IS REQUIRED BY CHANGE CONDITIONS THE STAFF RESPONSE REMAINS IT IS NOT AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WAS THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU WERE WILLING TO INITIATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH. 
          THE COUNTY THAT YOU GAVE US WAS LESS THAN 4% OF 244 DWELLING UNITS SET 80 220% RECORD OF AM I. I WOULD HAVE TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND MODIFICATIONS OF THE MY WHICH IS VERY HIGH END OF IT AND BEFORE LOOK ON THIS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE FAVORABLY AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT WOULD BEST FIT THE COMMUNITY AS YOU NOTICE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE'S ALSO THREE PARTS SO AS YOU HAVE THE DEED RESTRICTED TO THE WORKFORCE PORTION OF THAT THAT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF IT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A IN THERE THAT THAT WORKS FOR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS. 
          SO THERE'S ALSO A REPAIR FUND THAT ALLOCATES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIMETER AROUND IT. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS OF THAT WERE THAT THAT JUST ONE PART BUT WE ARE OPEN TO HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY COUNCIL YEAH I WOULD THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE 10 TO 20% IT'S SORT OF A PORTABLE HOUSING. YEAH BUT I MEAN AT THIS TIME IT'S GOT TO COME IN FROM SOME POINT FROM SOMEWHERE IF WE'RE GIVEN $1,000,000 WORTH OF ECONOMIC IMPACT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THERE'S THERE'S A FACTOR AND WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE THOSE WITH COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. NO. ALL RIGHT. 
          IS ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT BUT IF NOT I THINK THEN WE'RE WE CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE. ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE TO HEAR JESSE WHITE WHITE. GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. 
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CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? JESSE WHITE, SOUTH COAST DIRECTOR FOR THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE. WE HAVE COMMENTED OF LIGHT CLOSER TO YOU BUT WE HAVE HAS THAT WHOLE THING WHIPPED UP LIKE THIS SO THAT SHOULD WORK BETTER. 
          HOW ABOUT THAT? I CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ALL RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF NODDING HEADS. OKAY. WE HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS ZONING DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST AND I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN, OUR OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS JUST THE THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE GENERALLY THIS AREA AND THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BUT NOT YET BUILT OUT OR NOT YET OCCUPY ADD. 
          THERE'S HUNDREDS OF UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BETWEEN THE CITY OF BEAUFORT, THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL AND NOW CONSIDERING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AS WELL AND SO LOOKING COMMUTE CUMULATIVELY AT WHAT THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HOLD WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TIMING AND QUALITY OF LIFE LIKE LIKE YOU WERE GETTING AT THERE CHAIRMAN SO I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT CONCERN AND I THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY USING THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY IS IS GREAT AND I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS BUT OUR OUR BIGGEST IS KIND OF AN OVERALL JUST THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT IN BURTON AND THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO REALLY SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME THANK YOU THANK I JUST JOYCE HAM. HI MY NAME JOYCE HAMM AND I'M ASKING YOU TO NOT APPROVE THE BUILDING OF ANOTHER GROUP OF HOUSING FOR $300,000 PER HOME. 
          I THE LIBERTY TO TAKE SOME PICTURES LIKE THE FEMALE SHE DID A FEW MINUTES AGO WE CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M SORRY I TOOK THE LIBERTY TO TAKE SOME PICTURES OF SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE ALL OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW ON 170 AND ON SAVANNAH HIGHWAY AND SEVERAL ON 170 AS A MATTER OF FACT WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEGIN TO LOOK AT WHAT THE OF THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS BE BRINGING IN THE COMMUNITY SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING THEY HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN STARTED YET. IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT TRAFFIC FOR THE SCHOOL THAT'S ON 170 I'M TELLING YOU IT'S BACKED UP . 
          IT'S HARD FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR HOMES DURING THAT TIME WE HAVE TO STAY HOME. 
          I'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA. FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. 
          WE'VE LIVED IN THAT AREA. WE JUST DIDN'T MOVE WE KNOW THAT AREA RIGHT NOW DEERS ARE IN OUR WE HAVE ARMADILLOS WALKING AROUND IN OUR FRONT YARD. 
          WE HAVE RODENTS THAT'S RUNNING RAPID SNAKES, ALL KINDS OF WILD ANIMALS THAT YOU TAKE THEM OUT WHEN YOU REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THEY HAVE TO FIND AND SEEK A HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS 240 HOUSES AND IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE HOUSES COMING IN THAT THEY BUILT THEY ARE NOT GIVING CONSIDERATION TO THE HOMES THAT ARE EVEN THERE WHEN YOU CAME IN IF YOU SAW A MOBILE HOME, YOU SAW A HOUSE TWO STORIES STANDING OVER THAT MOBILE HOME THEY COULD PRACTICALLY LOOK IN THOSE HOMES. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GO ON HILTON HEAD THEY HAVE ENOUGH TREES TO SEPARATE. 
          YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING ALL SEE IS HIGHWAY AND TREES BUT WHEN THEY COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'RE IN OUR BACKYARDS AND IT'S JUST UNFAIR AND ONCE THEY GET APPROVED YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. IT'S GOING TO BE OUT OF YOUR HANDS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE A COPY OF THAT THE 40 PLAN 4040, 40 PLAN THAT YOU HAVE YEAH IT'S CALLED THE THE 2040 PLAN THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS 
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THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO IMPROVE. BEAUFORT I'M RECOMMENDING BECAUSE OF THE SEA THE THE WATER AND THE RISING OF THE SEA LEVEL AT THIS TIME THAT YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TREES SO THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE I KNOW THEY'RE GOING PLANT SOME TREES BUT IF THEY COME BUT THE TREES THAT WE HAVE ARE DEAR US AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING IN TOO MUCH WATER FROM THE RISING OF THE SEA LEVEL BECAUSE COUNTY IS ALREADY MOVING IN ON HIGH LEVEL. THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE THE PUBLIC LET'S BRING THE DISCUSSION UP TO THE DAIS. WHY DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING MISTER? I JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE TODAY AND IT MAY BE YOUR FIRST TIME AT A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. IT MAY NOT BE THE APPLICATIONS BUT THE ONE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. IT'S AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP AND TO CHANGE THE ZONING DESIGNATION ON A PARTICULAR PIECE PROPERTY THE COUNTY CODE PROVIDES DESIGNATED CRITERIA. I THINK IT'S NINE QUESTIONS NINE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND CONSIDERING THESE APPLICATIONS THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TASKED WITH DOING IT IS NOT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC WHEN YOU LOOK AT A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IT DOES MEAN THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED IS GOING IN THERE OR LIKE THAT IT IS A CHANGE TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING DESIGNATION. HOWEVER IT MAY BE AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT BROUGHT FORWARD WITH A DEVELOP A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO COUNCIL THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION THAT'S COUNTY COUNCIL BUT PLANNING COMMISSION CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNTY COUNCIL THAT THIS APPLICATION EITHER MEETS THE NINE CRITERIA AND THEN THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT BE APPROVED IT DOESN'T MEET THE NINE CRITERIA AT WHICH POINT THEY SAY IT SHOULD BE DENIED OR IT COULD BE APPROVED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS DESIGNED TO MEET THOSE NINE CRITERIA. SO THE THOSE THAT IS WAS BEFORE US AND THEN ONE OTHER COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE I KNOW THEY BELIEVE THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIMER ON PUBLIC COMMENT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS NOT TO TRY TO LIMIT YOUR VOICES, TRY TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHO NEEDS TO SPEAK. SO THANK YOU ALL AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. CHAIRMAN OR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES. SO DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, MA'AM? YOU KNOW SHE WAS GIVEN A PEN AND YOU GO AND GO OVER TO THE DESK AND DO HAVE HER DO YOU HAVE HER? IT'S WITH THE PINE ISLAND. WHAT'S WAS IT? I ONLY HAVE TO COME ON UP TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, MA'AM, YOU ASK TO SPEAK YOU PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE. YES, I ACTUALLY PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO SPEAK ON BOTH ISSUES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT ISSUE RIGHT NOW, IF POSSIBLE. FINE. GO AHEAD. 
          YES, MY NAME IS BARBARA CHILDS. I AM A RETIRED PLANNING DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT REZONING AND ALL THAT AND I DO LIVE IN THE AREA I MIGHT NOT LIVE DIRECTLY BY THE AFFECTED AREA BUT IT WOULD AFFECT THE AREA THAT I DO LIVE IN AND MY CHURCH WHICH IS ON COUNTY SHED ROAD I BELIEVE THAT UP ZONING OF THE PROPERTY WOULD AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THAT AREA AND IT IS A FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS WHEN THE GAMES ARE ON BECAUSE THERE IS NO BUFFER TO STOP ALL THE NOISE FROM THE GAMES AND I'M QUITE SURE YOU NOT YOU WOULD BE AFFECTED BUT YOU WOULD HEAR 
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FROM A LOT OF OF THE SO I AM AGAINST THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY THANK YOU THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE'VE GOT FILED. ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S BRING THE DISCUSSION UP THE DAIS HERE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DIALOG YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE QUESTIONS? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE ALTERNATIVE OR A MOTION NO, I'M SORRY THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT. I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER AT THE MOMENT, MA'AM. 
          WE'VE WE'VE COMPLETED THAT PIECE OF IT. WE HAVE A LOT MORE COMMENTS TO COME UP LATER ON. ON THE OTHER ISSUE ISSUE. YEAH, YES, YES MA'AM. 
          THEY HAD I THINK THE CHAIR HAS CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT. WE CALLED AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT SO TO YOU AND I FILLED OUT FOR THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE HAVE A FORUM OVER THERE OR NOT I LOOK AT IT AND NATASHA ROBINSON IS HER NAME AND NATASHA ROBINSON IS HER NAME SHE MAY BE SPEAKING ON THE CO OH MY GOD DID YOU PUT HIM IN THIS FILE WHAT'S THE NAME NATASHA ROBINSON FOR PINE ISLAND. YEAH WE'RE NOT ON THAT ONE YET. 
          OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU THIS I'M SURE. ALL RIGHT. 
          I NEED I NEED A MOTION I NEED A MOTION ON AND THEY ACTUALLY I DON'T ME IN FRONT OF US MY FOLKS BUT I'M SO SICK AND I CAN BARELY TALK. MR. CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME. 
          I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST. I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE PREPARED FOR A MOTION. 
          MY COMMENT WAS IS I LOOK AT WAS SUBMITTED AT OUR LAST HEARING AND THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AND THE COMMENTS FROM OUR STAFF THIS HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT ONE FOR ME BECAUSE I DO FEEL A VAST NUMBER OF THE NINE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO EVALUATE THESE CASES ON HAVE BEEN MET. 
          THE CONCERN ABOUT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE STAFF SAYS THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT B.J. WCA THEY HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN ON THE TIAA ABOUT ISSUES RELATIVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND I KNOW THE TIME YOU ONLY IDENTIFIED ONE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THERE LIKE YOU HAD CONCERNS IN TERMS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT BUT I GUESS THE STRUGGLE I'M IS AS YOU LOOK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT'S INDICATED FOR THIS AREA SO IT DOES IN MY MIND WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT TIMING AGAIN IF WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE NORMAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS OR IF THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S PREMATURE BECAUSE THE INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T BE OR ISN'T READY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS AND I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT OTHER 
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MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT CONCERN. I HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS THAT THE JOHN HAD. IT'S IT SEEMS TO BE AN ONGOING ISSUE WITHIN BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          WE'VE SEEN HOW INFRASTRUCTURE HAS FALLEN BEHIND SOUTH THE BROAD AND WE'RE AT A PRECIPICE RIGHT NOW WE'RE INFRASTRUCTURE I MEAN WE COULD LOOK AT IT TODAY IF WE TO LOOK THROUGH A PAPER TOWEL TUBE AND JUST LOOK THROUGH THAT HOLE AND GO EVERYTHING LOOKS FINE. 
          BUT I THINK ONCE WE PULL AND I MEAN MR. LABUS MIGHT CORRECT ME THIS IF I'M INCORRECT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF VISION GOING IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND I THINK IN AN ISSUE LIKE THIS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 244 HOMES IN A NATURAL WETLAND AREA ALREADY I MEAN WE'RE ALMOST REACHING A BREAKING POINT WITH STORMWATER THE WATER HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START HAVING FLOODING ISSUES. THERE'S GOING TO BE NUMEROUS ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AT A LATER TIME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING THE VISION TO LOOK AT IT NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF DID AS FAR AS TO PLACE TYPE OVERLAY THE HAMLET OVERLAY AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S A LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT AND IT HAS TO CHANGE AS NECESSITY STATED SAID EVEN A WORD I'M NOT EVEN SURE BUT FOR ME I'M LIKE JOHN I'M WRESTLING WITH ISSUE. I'VE LOOKED AT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          I'VE GONE OUT AND RIDDEN AROUND THAT AREA THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO LOOK AT THAT AREA AND I, I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING THIS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND THE ZONING CHANGE AT THIS TIME IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          GO AHEAD. YEAH, COME ON UP AND LET'S JUST ADDRESS FEW OF THE THINGS AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE GO. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION WOULD BE FOR FOR WATER AND SEWER TO ENSURE THAT THE CAPACITY IS THERE FOR A TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE 244 UNITS. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S ALSO ON THE THAT AS WE WORK ON AND THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND WITH THE FOR JASPER THAT ANY UPGRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE MANY TIMES PUT ON THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES SO AT THAT SAME WE'RE THERE SUPPORTING AND UP FITTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE. AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WE WERE THE FIRST ONES TO GO THROUGH THE NEW ONCE YOU PASS THE NEW ORDINANCE FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SO THE COUNTY THEY DETERMINED WHAT NEEDED TO BE STUDYING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THEM AND DETERMINED AND WE'LL OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR THAT AS FAR AS THE THE DENSITY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AGAIN WE ARE WORKING IN WITH WHAT IS STATED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE VISION WHAT THE VISION IS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A PLAN AGAIN THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES OF THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO UTILIZE AS DEVELOPERS WITHIN THIS. 
          SO WE ARE FOLLOWING MANY OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE THINGS AND WE'RE TAKING THOSE CONSIDERATIONS TAKING ALL THE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE UP HERE THROUGHOUT THIS LAST YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DEVELOP A PLAN THAT WORKS IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE OF WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED AND ADOPTED. OKAY THANK YOU FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND COMMISSIONERS. IF NOT I'M GOING REQUEST A MOTION TO BE MADE ON THIS ISSUE . JUST JUST A COMMENT YOU SAY YOU'VE TALKED TO BEFORE BEAUFORT COUNTY SEWER WATER AUTHORITY AND ALL THAT AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE BUT WE DON'T KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION TO LOOK AT OR ANYTHING. SURELY YOU DO SIR. 
          YOU HAVE SUPPORTING DOCUMENT THAT STATES THAT THERE COULD BE FOR JASPER WATER SEWER DOES THE CAPACITY FOR US CAPACITY BUT THAT'S JUST CAPACITY THAT'S NOT BUILDING ALL THE STORMS IS SPEAKING TO YOUR NIGHT GOES AS FAR AS GO AHEAD ARE THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH WE HAVE TO ENGINEER DESIGN PLANS BUT YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVED THROUGH STAFFING SO THAT IS THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AS WE GO THROUGH THE FIRST STEP IN RECEIVING IS KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE ABLE SUPPORT IT AND IF YOU JASPER HAS THE CAPACITY THEN WE GOT TO START ABLE TO BUILD THAT PLAN BASED OFF OF THAT CAPACITY. 
          ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOT TO MOVE THIS ALONG WILL BE 
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HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION IN REGARD TO THE CASE I'M LOOKING FOR THE CASE NUMBER MY STAFF REPORT CDP A 000048 2025 EXCUSE ME FOR A REZONING TO THE T TWO OR EXCUSE ME THE T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD AND T FOR HAMLET CENTER. I WILL RECOMMEND TO THE CITY OR THE COUNTY COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY STAFF IN TERMS OF THE NEED FOR A MORE MEANINGFUL ADDRESS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT NO ALTERATIONS THE DESIGN STANDARDS BE ALLOWED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE STAFF REPORT AND THE COMMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THIS HEARING. I HAVE A SECOND DID YOU MAKE A SECOND CHANGE SECOND VOTE? YES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND TEAM. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE OPPOSING THE MOTION. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SIX. OPPOSE THE MOTION TO THE MOTION. 
          THE MOTION DOESN'T PASS. ALL RIGHT, ONTO NEXT ACTION ITEM THAT'S UP. 
          [8. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING  MAP FOR 437 ACRES LOCATED ON DULAMO ROAD AND ST.  HELENVILLE ROAD (R300 012 000 0254 0000; R300 012 000 0255  0000; R300 012 000 0001 0000; R300 007 000 0002 0000; R300 011  000 0275 0000) FOR THE REMOVAL FROM THE CULTURAL  PROTECTION OVERLAY (CPO) DISTRICT ]
ACTION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND YOU ALL HEAR ME? SO ACTION NUMBER EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOUR, FOUR AND 37 ACRES LOCATED AND ROAD AND SAINT HELENA ROAD WHERE THE REMOVAL FROM THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY CPO DISTRICT AND I HEAR FROM THE COUNTY POLICE THIS MERCHANT ON ALL RIGHT WELL ONCE AGAIN GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND IT IS TO REMOVE 437 ACRES MADE UP OF FIVE PARCELS LOCATED TO 88 TO LAMA ROAD AND THOSE ARE REFERRED AS THE PINE ISLAND PROPERTIES. 
          THERE ARE PILOT ISLAND PROPERTIES. THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO CURRENTLY THERE IS A CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT SO THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF OF THIS PROPERTY TOO RURAL AND THEN THERE IS A CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH APPLIES TO MOST SAINT HELENA ISLANDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DATA HARBOR AND FRIPP SO ARE AND THEN ALSO THE THE ISLANDS HUNTING ISLAND AND THE BARRIER ISLANDS WOULD HAVE NO ROAD ACCESS. IT BASICALLY APPLIES TO THE HEART OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE THREE PARTIES THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO ITS ADOPTION IN 1999 THE REQUESE THAT CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT FROM THIS 437 ACRES. SO YOU HAVE THE APPLICATION WHICH EXPRESSES THE INTENT OF OF THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD A COMMUNITY WITH A GOLF COURSE 49 DWELLING UNITS IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPORTING USES FOR GOLF COURSE AND THE RESIDENTIAL FOR THAT AREA. 
          SO THAT IS THE REQUEST THAT'S BEING MADE AND THE DEVELOPER HAS ALSO PROVIDED THE APPLICATION A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ONCE AGAIN I THINK THAT THE PLANNING 
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COMMISSION HAS SOME FAMILIARITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ZONING ACTION AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COMES INTO PLAY ONCE IF COUNTY COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS YOU KNOW CONSIDERING THIS APPLICATION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER IN TYPICALLY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT COINCIDE ON THIRD READING SO BOTH WOULD BE ADOPTED AT THE SAME TIME BUT THAT'S GENERALLY THE PATTERN WHEN YOU'RE COMBINING A DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT SO THE EXISTING I THINK I KIND OF WENT OVER I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH TWO RURAL IT IS THE COUNTY'S PRIMARY ZONING DISTRICT FOR RURAL AREAS THE I GUESS MOST NOTABLE FEATURE IS THE DENSITY OF ONE DWELLING UNIT PER THREE ACRES AND SO THIS PROPERTY WITH THE 437 ACRES IT'S DIFFERENT MATH BUT I GOT 145 LOTS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT I MADE THE ASSUMPTION IN THE A STAFF REPORT THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING AT THE RURAL SMALL LOT SUBDIVISION WHICH WOULD ALLOW SEVERAL MORE DWELLINGS BUT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT THAT BASE ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1999 AND THEN IN OUR NEW CODE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014 AND THAT IS A DISTRICT THAT IS AND I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL BUT THAT IS DESIGNED PROTECT THE CULTURE OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND AND IT PRIMARILY COMES DOWN TO RESTRICTING FRANCHISE ARCHITECTURE GATED COMMUNITIES, RESORTS AND GOLF COURSES. SO AS YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST DEVELOPING A GOLF COURSE AND SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT MAKING THIS MAP AMENDMENT. SO I WANTED TO DRAW A COMPARISON BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF YOU WERE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TWO YEARS AGO IN JUNE OF 2023 AT THAT TIME THE SAME APPLICANT FORWARDS AN APPLICATION THAT ONE WAS 500 AND I'M SORRY PHOTO TWO 502 ACRES AND THIS APPLICATION IS 437 SO ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT MAKE UP THE PINE ISLAND PROPERTY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THAT PROPERTY HAS GONE YOU KNOW, THROUGH PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR 20 LOTS SUBDIVISION JUST TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE OF THAT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. SO AS FAR AS THE COMPARISON, THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED TWO SUMMERS AGO. AND THEN THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS THIS TIME THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT THEIR INTENT IS TO DO AT THIS PROPERTY. I WANTED TO I GUESS MAKE CLEAR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT BY REMOVING THE THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT ALL THE STANDARDS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE UNDERLYING DISTRICT REMAIN THE SAME. IT'S THAT CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS RESTRICTIONS ON USES SUCH AS GOLF COURSES AND RESORTS. 
          SO BY REMOVING THIS PROPERTY FROM THAT IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOLF COURSE RESORT SO THAT THE OTHER IMPORTANT TO MENTION IS THAT YOU KNOW, THE THE DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND I PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED IN THAT SO ONE OF THEM IS A REDUCTION TO 49 DWELLING UNITS, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT THAT BASE ZONING COULD YIELD INCREASED OPEN SPACE BUFFERS AND THERE'S ALSO THEY'VE INDICATED SEVERAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY BUT I THINK IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT THOSE THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE WITH THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S YOU KNOW THE ACTION OF TAKING THIS PROPERTY OUT OF THAT CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DOESN'T AFFECT THOSE THINGS. THE PRIMARY THING IT AFFECTS IS WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD HAVE A GOLF COURSE OR NOT AND SO THE IN ORDER FOR THE COUNTY TO BEGIN NEGOTIATION IN SOME A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THIS LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO MENS THE THE OVERLAY MAP TO REMOVE THESE PROPERTIES IS NECESSARY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW FROM READING THE APPLICATION THEY'VE EXPRESSED 
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WHAT THEIR INTENTS FOR THE PROPERTY IS AND MOVING FORWARD . 
          SO WITH THAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND OF THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PLACE SINCE 1999. IT WAS ALSO RE ADOPTED WHEN THE COUNTY ADOPTED A NEW ORDINANCE IN 2014 AND THEN MOST RECENTLY IN 2021 WHEN THE COUNTY ADOPTED ITS 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PLANS. SPECIFICALLY THERE'S A SECTION CALLED SAINT HELENA AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY FROM ENCROACHING PROTECTING THE CULTURE OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND AND THE VERY FIRST POLICY AND ALSO THE FIRST ACTION ITEM IN THAT IS TO EVALUATE THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT TO DETERMINE WHAT'S AS REDEVELOPED, TO DETERMINE WHETHER ADDITIONAL LAND USE RESTRICTIONS ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT. 
          CONSIDER ADDITION OF SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS THAT REINFORCE HISTORICAL LINK E.G. 
          DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND CHARACTER INCLUDE REPRESENTATIONS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE THAT MAY BE FORMED TO GUIDE, PROCESS AND ENSURE PUBLIC INPUT FROM ALL SEGMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY SO THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE IN 2021. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF DID IN THAT YEAR BETWEEN RIGHT AFTER THAT ADOPTION WAS INITIATE WORKING WITH MEMBER REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE FOR SAINT HELENA ISLAND PUT TOGETHER THAT COMMITTEE AND IT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNTY IN NOVEMBER 2022. SO AT THAT TIME PINEY WELL THERE WAS A ZONING AMENDMENT THAT CAME BEFORE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT WAS AT THE JANUARY 15TH 2023 MEETING. THAT WAS A TEXT TO THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED SOME FLEXIBILITY IN SOME THESE USES THAT ARE CLEARLY PROHIBITED SUCH AS GOLF COURSES RESORTS IF IT WERE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT COULD MAYBE ACHIEVE OTHER ENDS TOO TO ACHIEVE WHAT THE CULTURE PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT WAS MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND IF YOU REMEMBER AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WAS PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL THE FOLLOWING LAND USE COMMITTEE MEETING OF COUNTY COUNCIL THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT COMMITTEE WHICH WAS NEWLY FORMED. TAKE A LOOK AT THE CULTURE PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT AND LOOK AT WAYS TO STRENGTHEN IT AND I THINK SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT EVALUATE THE USES AND SO THAT CHARGE WAS GIVEN THE COMMITTEE THAT WINTER THE COMMITTEE SEVERAL TIMES BETWEEN JANUARY AND APRIL OF 2023 TO DEVELOP THE UPDATED LANGUAGE FOR THE FOR THE CPO DISTRICT THAT WENT TO COUNTY COUNCIL AND THEY ADOPTED THAT IN MAY OF 2023 SO I GUESS I'M GOING THROUGH THIS LITTLE HISTORY JUST TO SAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2021 SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE CPO DISTRICT. 
          IT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS HOW THAT DISTRICT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH YOU KNOW AS FAR AS PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO TO EVALUATE IT THAT WORK WAS DONE AND SO RESULTS WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN MAY OF 2020 TO 2023. THE APPLICANT THEN CAME AT THE JUNE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH AND THIS WAS AN APPLICATION THAT THEY HAD FILED EARLIER TO DO VERY SIMILAR WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED TODAY TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WENT TO THE JUNE 2023 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME IT WAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL AND IT WAS ALSO IT WENT TO COUNCIL AND EVENTUALLY THAT WAS VOTED DOWN SO AT THAT IS SOME BACKGROUND THAT WAS 2023 AND SO THAT IS THE APPLICATION WITH THE DIFFERENCES THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT THE LOCATION AND 
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EXTENT OF THE CPO BOUNDARIES WERE PURPOSEFULLY DELINEATED TO SUPPORT AND IMPLEMENT THE COMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THE CPO TO MOVE THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXCLUDING CERTAIN PARCELS ERODES EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CPO BY ALLOWING THE VERY USES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS POSING THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE CHARACTER AND STABILITY OF THE ISLAND COMMUNITY. IN SUM THE PROPOSED REZONING IS INCONSISTENT WITH AND SEEKS TO DEFEAT THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PURPOSES THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE DEMONSTRATED NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH LED TO THE CREATION OF THE CPO . IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CHANGING CONDITIONS IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING PROPOSED USES SURROUNDING THE LAND AND IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONE FOR THE USE FOR THE LAND. IT IS LIKELY TO ADVERSELY IMPACT NEARBY LANDS. WILL CONFLICT WITH ANTICIPATED LOGICAL OR LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND WILL LIKELY HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND WILL LIKELY RESULT IN INCREASED STRAIN AND STRESS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO SIR, THANK YOU ANY QUESTIONS ,ROB? AS LONG AS YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE HISTORY THEN COULD YOU ALSO COMMENT ON WHAT THE APPLICANT DID AFTER THEIR DENIALS? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT DID AFTER DENIALS TO YOU? OKAY, I'LL GO FOR BRIAN OVER COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD BRIAN HOLBERT COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THE RECORD AFTER DENIALS FROM COUNTY COUNCIL THEY EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS AND THEY APPEALED THE DENIAL TO TWO CIRCUIT COURT AND THEY FILED A CASE IN STATE COURT AND THAT WAS REMOVED TO FEDERAL COURT THOSE CASES REMAIN PENDING BUT THEY'RE NOT BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY THOSE ARE PENDING LITIGATION SEPARATE APART FROM THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TWO YOU NEED TO ONLY CONSIDER THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU AND THE PROPOSED DRAFT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CONDITIONS IN THERE. OKAY THANK YOU BRIAN. ALL RIGHT. 
          FOR THE QUESTION I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROB AND HAPPEN EVENTUALLY ROB I'M A BIT CONFUSED HOW IS THE PROPOSED BUILDING OF FEWER UNITS A GREATER IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT THAN IF THEY BUILD THE UNITS ACCORDING TO WHAT'S PRESENTLY APPROVED. 
          WELL AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE BETWEEN THE CURRENT ZONING WHICH IS TO RURAL WITH THE CULTURE PROTECTION OVERLAY AND TO RURAL WITHOUT THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE APPROVED THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEY COULD ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A GOLF COURSE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT MY QUESTION. THEIR PROPOSAL IS FROM WHAT I READ SIGNIFICANTLY FEWER UNITS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAN THEY ARE PERMITTED TO BUILD NOW ASSUMING THEY CAN BE HELD TO BUILDING ONLY NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY SAY THAT IN THEIR REQUEST AND ACCORDING TO THEIR APPLICATION FEWER DOCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE HOW IS THAT MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE COMMUNITY THAN BUILDING ALL THE ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT WILL HAVE MORE DOCKS AND I COULD GO AND ON BUT I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THE WORDS I COMPARE IT TO. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS UNITS . 
          MY QUESTION WOULD BE LESS UNITS THAN WHAT THAN WHAT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO BUILD UNDER CURRENT ZONING. OKAY. AND WHAT I'M PROVIDING IS IS AN ANALYSIS OF THE ZONING AS IT EXISTS TODAY AND THE ZONING IS BEING PROPOSED THE REDUCTION OF UNITS IS NOT A RESULT THAT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IT'S A RESULT OF WHAT THE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY INTEND TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE GRANTED THAT THE AMENDMENT AND IF THEY SUBMIT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THEM IN THE PAST CAN THEY BE HELD TO THAT AGREEMENT? THEY WOULD BE HELD IN THE AGREEMENT. 
          THEY NEGOTIATED IT WITH COUNTY COUNCIL. OKAY. 
          THEN GETTING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION IF THEY'RE HELD TO THAT, HOW IS THAT 
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LISTED METAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE COMMUNITY FROM A STAMP ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND ALSO THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE SUCH AS SEWER AND WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE? IS THAT LESS DETRIMENTAL OR MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN IF THEY WERE YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP ALL THAT THEY COULD? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M WORDING IT CORRECTLY BUT I THINK I'M CLOSE. I THINK THEY'RE FORGETTING THE FACT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A SMALLER AMOUNT OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE BUILT BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD PUT A GOLF COURSE THERE WHICH HAS ITS OWN ISSUES ENVIRONMENTALLY I UNDERSTAND THAT PESTICIDES AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. SO YOU'RE GOING TRY TO COMPARE THIS LARGE NUMBER OF HOMES VERSUS A SMALLER ABOUT IN A GOLF COURSE. WHICH ONE HAS MORE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? I WOULD SAY THE THE GOLF COURSE WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT. 
          YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT QUESTION . IT'S BRINGING YOURSELVES TO THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHICH IS BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL WHO WILL BE THE ULTIMATE DECIDERS, WHAT'S MORE DETRIMENTAL OR WHAT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AFTER HEARING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY YOU HEAR THEM THEN YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AS A BODY WHAT TO RECOMMEND ROB'S GET HIS OPINION THE APPLICANT'S GET THEIR OPINION EVERYBODY IN THIS AUDIENCE THEIR OPINION BUT THE ULTIMATE DECISION IS THIS BODY AND WHAT TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M GETTING BACK TO THE THING TO THE QUESTION THE PROPOSAL THEY SAY THEY'RE WILLING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON VERSUS WHAT THEY COULD DO IF IT WAS FULLY DEVELOPED. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A GOLF COURSE INVOLVED BUT I MEAN WHICH IS MORE DETRIMENTAL ENVIRONMENTALLY AND I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO EVALUATE THAT SO I'M ASKING FOR HELP. I THINK EACH SIDE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION AS TO WHICH IS DETRIMENTAL AND NOW WHO'S RIGHT ? HE CAN'T TELL YOU WHO'S RIGHT AND LET'S MOVE ON AND LET THE TESTIMONY HERE LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IT WILL BECOME CLEAR TO YOU. THANK YOU. 
          IT'S I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S HARD TO COMPARE A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO HYPOTHETICAL BUILD OUT SCENARIO FOR THE PROPERTY YOU KNOW AND TO DETERMINE WHICH HAS GREATER ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEPENDS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ROB. JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION. THIS IS NOT A DOWN ZONING, CORRECT? IT'S JUST A REQUEST TO REMOVE THE CPO FROM OR FROM THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT IS. 
          THERE WERE THE CULTURE PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT FROM THE PROPERTY SO THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH DOES HAVE AN EXPIRATION TERM FROM WHAT I'VE READ UNLESS EXTENDED IN PERPETUITY IF IT'S SO DESIRED BY THE COUNTY AND BY THE DEVELOPER BUT INITIALLY TO HAS A TEN YEAR PERIOD IS THAT WHAT I READ CORRECTLY. YEAH AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO STATE STATUTE THE SIZE THE TIME PERIOD CORRESPONDS WITH THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE MAXIMUM TIME PERIOD. 
          OKAY SO BASED ON THE NUMBERS YOU GAVE ME IF THIS LAND IS NOT TAKEN OUT OF THE CPO THE DEVELOPER BY RIGHT CAN 147 HOMES AND A MULTITUDE OF DOCKS. CORRECT? YES. YES. OKAY NOW WHAT I WILL SAY AND I PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE'S BASE SITE AREA SO WHEN WE DEAL WITH A HYPOTHETICAL NUMBER OF WHAT LAND WILL YIELDS UNTIL YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT IS APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WE'RE COMPARING TWO PLANS AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT DO THAT I GOTCHA. 
          AND BASED ON THAT THEORY SO TO SPEAK, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S THEORETICAL 147 LOTS THE APPLICANT HAS DECIDED TO CARVE OUT 60 SOME ODD ACRES AND YOU SAID THOSE ARE THOSE COULD BE 20 LOTS CORRECT WELL THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR STAFF OKAY SO IT BEGAN GO INTO THE PROCESS SO BASIC MATH I MEAN I'M A MARINE IT'S I GOT TO REALLY KEEP IT BASIC HERE 49 HOUSES WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE OR WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO PLUS THE 20 HOMES THAT ARE PROPOSED ON THAT PART THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CUT OUT OF THE CPO THAT'S 6970 HOMES. 
          SO HE'S ESSENTIALLY JUST SAYING WELL I'LL TAKE HALF OF THESE HOMES AWAY BUT IN TEN YEARS IF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT GOES AWAY AND IT'S STILL RURAL, THEY CAN BUILD AS MANY HOMES AS THEY WANT. COULD THEY HELP BACK? AND ONCE AGAIN WE'RE TALKING 
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ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE WITH CASTLE. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD YOU CAN NEGOTIATE YOU KNOW THAT LAND BE DEEDED YOU KNOW WITH RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD BE DONE TO ASSURE BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY SO MEAN THERE ARE WAYS I MEAN THAT WOULD IF THAT IS A CONCERN THERE ARE WAYS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT POSSIBLY COULD ADDRESS THAT SO IT'S NOT OUR IT'S NOT OUR MONO ACCESS. ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, I'M GOING THANK YOU, ROB. YEAH. 
          AS FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING DOCUMENTS AS A MATTER OF STATE LAW THESE SHOULD BE MADE SURE TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE MINUTES AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE. SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE THE MR. HOLBERT GETS A COPY OF THESE WELL I WAS JUST SAYING IT UP SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED TO YOU DO YOU THINK IT'S A ONE SENTENCE? PEOPLE BASICALLY SAY WE WANT HEY, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS KEVIN DUKES. 
          I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HARVEY ABADIE HERE IN BEAUFORT AND AM HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE PLAN THAT'S BEING PRESENTED PINE ISLAND AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE HANDED OUT COPIES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND THERE'S ALSO THE SCREEN THERE BUT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR YOU ALL TO SEE ON YOUR COPIES IN FRONT OF YOU. I JUST WANT TO FIRST POINT OUT THE PHOTO THAT WE HAVE AT THE BEGINNING IS PINE ISLAND. SO THIS IS THE ISLAND THAT IS NORTH OF HELENA ISLAND. IT IS CONNECTED TO SAINT HELENA ISLAND, A CAUSEWAY AND THAT CAUSEWAY THEN WORKS INTO A PENINSULA WHICH OFF OF THE NORTHERN PART OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE ALTHOUGH I'M SURE YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THIS POINT IN TIME SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS A REMOVAL OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE CPO THAT IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND STAYING WITH THE EXISTING TWO OR RURAL DESIGNATION AND I WANT TO GO TAKE A QUICK SECOND TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION HERE WE HAVE SUBMITTED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE LAST APPLICANT IS THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR A DEVELOPMENT WITH THE COUNTY WE SUBMITTED THAT IT'S UNDER REVIEW BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. HE HAS GIVEN COMMENTS ABOUT ITS COMPLETENESS. WE HAVE GIVEN HIM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WE'VE GIVEN THEM A CHECK FOR $28,000 TO PROCESS THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO THAT IS IN THE WORKS AND THAT IS GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM NUMEROUS MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL THAT THEY WISH TO ENGAGE ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT. SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, I WOULD POSIT TO YOU THAT WE ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT OTHER APPLICATION AND QUITE HONESTLY FURTHER THAN MOST PEOPLE EVER GO BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET TO THIS POINT NORMALLY YOU DON'T PUT TOGETHER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND YOU DON'T GO THERE. QUESTION EARLIER WAS ABOUT FAR RIGHT DEVELOPMENT AND MR.. 
          I THINK THIS KIND OF GOES TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE? YES, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          WE WILL BE HELD TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A LEGAL ENFORCEABLE DOCUMENT. 
          BUT THE QUESTION WAS AN INTERESTING ONE THAT YOU ASKED BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT EXPIRES NORMALLY WE DON'T THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE A POD OR YOU HAVE SOME LARGER UNDERLYING ZONING WITH ZONING. THIS IS UNIQUE BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR LESS AND SO IN THE CASE HERE WHAT WE'VE ALSO SAID IS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WHAT IF WE BUILD A GOLF COURSE, WAIT TEN YEARS AND THEN BUILD 149 HOMES WHEN IT GOES AWAY WE HAVE SAID AND AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEFORE WE 
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GET ANY PERMITS, WE WILL RECORD DEED RESTRICTIONS WHICH WILL RESTRICT THIS FROM RESIDENTIAL USE IN PERPETUITY THAT WILL HAPPEN ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COVENANT OR RESTRICTION IS JUST LIKE ANY CONSERVATION EASEMENT IT WON'T HAPPEN AND SO WE HAVE ADDED THOSE TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT VERY CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE AND IT IS A LEGITIMATE AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT SO WE'RE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT IS ARE THESE TWO PLANTS AND IT'S A QUESTION OF AS YOU'VE SEEN LESS DEVELOPMENT LESS IMPACTS BUT ALSO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT JOBS ,COMMUNITY INVESTMENT ITEMS WHICH ARE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANT MAGIC AND COMPARED TO THE EXISTING ZONING THAT CPO DEVELOPMENT MORE HOUSES, MORE DOCKS, MORE SEPTIC TANKS, MORE RUNOFF THAN A GOLF COURSE. 
          THIS IS THAT CPO DEVELOPMENT TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND. 
          THE REASON IS 149 UNITS IS ACTUALLY SIMPLE. I THINK THAT WHAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR DID IS HE TOOK THE ACREAGE AND HE DIVIDED BY THREE WELL WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS THAT YOU TAKE ACREAGE AND YOU MULTIPLY BY 0.34 WELL WHEN YOU MULTIPLY BY 0.34 YOU GET HUNDRED AND 49 WHEN YOU DIVIDE BY THREE YOU GET 145. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHERE ARE WHERE MATH COMES OUT BUT, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE THING IN PARTICULAR TALKING RUNOFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SIZE MINIMUM LOT MEASUREMENTS ETC. YOU NOTICE ONE THING ABOUT THIS EVERY SINGLE LOT ON THIS PROPERTY WILL BE A WATERFRONT LOT OR HAVE WATER VIEWS IT WILL BE ON THE MARSH AND WHY IS THAT IT'S SIMPLE IT'S JUST ECONOMICS. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT IF ANY DEVELOPMENT OCCURS UNDER THE CPO UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. 
          SO THAT'S A CHOICE. THIS IS A CHOICE. THIS IS OUR PLAN. 
          THIS IS A BETTER PLAN USE THAT PENINSULA THAT I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT AND THAT'S WHERE THE GOLF COURSE IS LOCATED. SO THE REASON ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ELIMINATING 100 HOMES IS NOT JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIT THEM AROUND THE GOLF COURSE. 
          YOU COULD PUT MORE DENSITY AROUND THERE BUT WE'RE CREATING THIS OPEN SPACE AND WE'RE CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A BETTER PLAN AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THOSE TWO OPTIONS AND WHERE WE ARE AND KIND OF IN THAT SAME VEIN I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU REAL QUICK ABOUT, YOU KNOW SOMETHING WHEN I BECAME INVOLVED WHEN I BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW I HAD HEARD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T LIKE IT. 
          SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN SUCH A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO UNDERTAKE THAT THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO RUIN YOU THAT'S GOING TO RUIN YOUR LIFE. THESE ARE THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID TO ME WHICH IS CRAZY BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THIS AND I SAID WHY IS THIS CONTROVERSIAL? THIS IS A PICTURE I TOOK THE OTHER DAY AND BATTERY CREEK FROM MY BOAT THIS WHAT I SAW WHEN I SAW THE CPO PLAN AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IF IT GOES FOR DOCKS THE CREEK. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN 16 6% REDUCTION IN DENSITY, A 90% REDUCTION IN DOCKS, 60% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS THIS IS OUR PLAN. THIS IS REAL. 
          THIS IS ON LADY'S ISLAND DRIVE. I STOPPED IN THE MEDIAN THE OTHER DAY I SNAPPED A PICTURE SECESSION. THIS IS THE OPEN SPACE. THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION BUT I THINK THIS IS BETTER. 
          AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE WHEN I SAW THE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT HOUSES DID IN TWO TWO ARE CAN BE AS BIG AS YOU WANT THEM TO BE THEY CAN BE 8000 10,000 SQUARE FEET THAT COULD BE MASSIVE SITTING 60 FEET FROM THE CRITICAL LOT UP 30 FOOT HIGH BLUFFS DOCK OUT IN FRONT OF IT WON'T OBSTRUCT THE VIEW BECAUSE GOING TO BE NICE IS GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE WATER YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE FROM EDISTO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM FROM THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. SO WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT GOLF COURSE AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO 
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LEAD TO SHORELINE PROTECTION OF 30,000 FEET OF SHORELINE PROTECTION PROTECTION. 
          THIS IS A CHOICE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH EVERY TIME WE COME HERE EVERY TIME I COME HERE WITH A LOT OF FOLKS LIKE PULTE BEFORE ASKING FOR MORE YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CONFUSING THING ABOUT WHY IT WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL I THOUGHT THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY GETS ON ME EVERY TIME FOR AND NOW I'M COMING HERE ASKING FOR LESS. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A CHOICE AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WHERE WE GOING WE'RE GOING TO T TO R WE'RE ALREADY IN TWO R SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU OR BY DEFINITION IS INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BEAUFORT COUNTY THAT'S ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED GOAL FOR SAINT HELENA IS TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF SAINT HELENA. 
          AND SO WE'RE CHANGING THAT. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE GOALS. 
          AND AN IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT GOLF COURSES ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN TWO ZONES IN BEAUFORT COUNTY ,ONE OF WHICH IS T TWO ARE THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND BY THEIR INCLUSION IN AND THEIR USE IN THAT STATEMENT THEY PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF OUR AREAS INCLUDING ON SAINT HELENA. JUST LISTEN TO ME. I'M SURE MISS WHITE WILL GET UP HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE HAS ALSO STATED THAT GOLF COURSES ARE CONSISTENT WITH RURAL IN RURAL AREAS. THIS IS A LETTER THAT THEY SUBMITTED WHEN SOMEONE WAS TRYING UPLOAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM TEE TO OR TO C THREE THEY STATED A B TO ENCOMPASS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND THAT EXISTING LAND USES IN THE AREA INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL GOLF COURSES AND FORESTRY AND IT COULD CHANGE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA QUITE HONESTLY DIDN'T THINK THAT I WOULD EVER SEE THE DAY WHERE THEY WOULD BE HERE FIGHTING AGAINST US FOR LESS HOUSES OR THEM FIGHTING FOR MORE HOUSES AND MORE DOGS. BUT HERE WE ARE HALF THE COUNTY THEY DID THE SAME THING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT REPLACED BY LIMITED PRIVATE GOLF COURSE AND IT'S BEEN HERALDED AS A ACHIEVEMENT OF PLANNING AND ZONING. THIS ALL OF COURSE IT'S AN EXCITING AND UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY PREVENT LARGE SCALE HOUSING, DEVELOP IN A COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOASTING POTENTIALLY HUNDREDS HOMES UNDER THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT ZONING, THE TRACK WOULD HOST A FEW DOZEN GOLFERS AT A TIME. 
          IT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON SCHOOLS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON SEWER. 
          THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO BERKELEY COUNTY YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT HERE LOOK AT SPRING ISLAND. IT WAS AHEAD OF ITS TIME AND HAS BEEN HERALDED IN WHITE PAPER AFTER WHITE PAPER AFTER WHITE PAPER AS A PREEMINENT CONSERVATION COMMUNITY. THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS LESS THAN SPRING ISLAND. THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CLOSE T ONE NATURE PRESERVE THE LOWEST DENSITY BEAUFORT COUNTY EVEN OFFERS AS A ZONING DISTRICT WE'RE OFFERING LESS NOT ASKING FOR MORE. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S A GOLF COURSE THE COVE AND THOSE OTHER ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUALS HAVE STATED BEFORE THAT THAT PRESERVES THE RURAL CHARACTER AND WILL DO THE SAME THING HERE IN BEAUFORT. 
          SO WE ASK THE QUESTION OKAY WELL IT PRESERVES CHARACTER. RURAL CHARACTER IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE IMPORTANT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SPORT OF GOLF WAS ELIMINATED UNDER THE CPO AS OF 23 AND THAT'S WHAT'S LED TO OUR REQUEST TODAY TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CPO. BUT I JUST AS I AS I LOOKED AT THIS PLANNED SIGHT WHY IS A SPORT GOLF THE ONLY NOT PICKLEBALL WE KNOW HOW THAT ANNOYS PEOPLE AT TIMES NOT GOLF I MEAN NOT BASKETBALL NOT FOOTBALL NOT BASEBALL WHY IS GOLF SINGLED OUT AS THE THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE FROM THE CPA? WELL, THIS IS IT. SO THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THOSE THIRD PARTY INTEREST GROUPS WILL TELL YOU. THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT GOLF COURSES ARE AN AMENITY 
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PARTICULAR TOO DENSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ARE INEXTRICABLY TO IT INEXTRICABLY MEANS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEPARATE OR DISENTANGLE. AND SO THIS SUGGESTS THAT WHEN YOU BUILD A GOLF COURSE, GET OUT OF THE WAY HERE COME THE HOMES HERE COME COURSE, HERE COMES HILTON HEAD. THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR. THAT'S WHAT GOES ON THE SANDS THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SEE AND I GET IT THIS IS THIS MAKES SENSE. 
          THIS IS ALL PICK ON DAUGHTER BUT THIS IS DAUGHTER VERY CLOSE TO PINE ISLAND AND YOU SEE WHAT'S THERE AND THERE IS A OF DENSITY, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF ROADS IMPERVIOUS. IT'S ALL THERE. WHAT I LOOKED ABOUT LOOKED AT IT AND I THOUGHT ABOUT GOLF AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. I SAID THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          AND I LOOKED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE AND I REALIZED THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE DENSITY, IT'S THE RAPID. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS AND IT MAKES SENSE THAT AMENITY INEXTRICABLY LINKED BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ISLAND LIKE I SHOWED YOU EARLIER ON THE CPO VERSION OF PINE ISLAND YOU DON'T NEED AN AMENITY GOD'S GIVEN EVERY SINGLE AMENITY THAT THOSE LOTS NEED IN THE MARSH AND THE WATER AND AIR IT DOESN'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE THEY SELL THEMSELVES BUT WHEN IT DOESN'T SELL OR THOSE INTERIOR LOTS WHAT IT DOESN'T SELL ARE THOSE HUNDREDS OF LOTS IN THE MIDDLE THAT CAN'T SEE THE MARSH. THEY CAN'T SEE THE WATER. THAT'S WHERE THE AMENITY COMES IN. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED GOLF AND THAT'S WHAT GOLF BRINGS. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T NEED DENSITY. WE WANT DENSITY. 
          WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SELL MORE HOMES. WE WANT TO BUILD A GOLF COURSE ON 365 ACRES PERMANENTLY PRESERVED AGAINST RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN SPACE. 
          BASED ON SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS INKSTER LINKS IT SEEMS THAT THIS PLAN HAS DONE THE IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S THE CHOICE. 
          SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE SOME OF THE THINGS FROM STAFF REPORT AND SEE. 
          OKAY WELL YOU'RE PROPOSING A DOWN ZONING PLAN AND YOU WANT TO INCLUDE A GOLF COURSE. 
          HOW DOES THAT AS WE'VE STATED IN OUR PROPOSAL, HOW DOES THAT PRESERVE AND ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE AND THE CPO BETTER THAN THOSE THEMSELVES? WELL, MR. MERCHANT WAS UP HERE EARLIER AND THIS IS FROM THEIR STAFF REPORT. 
          IT SAYS THE PLAN IDENTIFIES LAND DEVELOPMENT AS A PRIMARY THREAT TO, THE ISLAND'S RURAL QUALITIES AN EXISTING CULTURE THERE IT IS. IT'S NOT THE SPORT. 
          IT'S THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE HOUSES, IT'S THE DENSITY. IT'S THE RAPID GROWTH. 
          SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT THIS WAS ALSO REFERENCED LARGE SCALE RAPID AND SUBURBAN THERE IT IS SUCH AS GATED COMMUNITIES, MASSIVE PLAYING AREAS AND GOLF JUST WELL GOT US THERE IT IS GOLF COURSES BUT HERE'S THING IS WHEN I LOOKED CLOSER THAT THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT CREATES THAT GROWTH IT GOES BACK INTO THE SAME THING YOU HAVE THE GROWTH SUCH AS GATED COMMUNITIES SUCH AS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES SPRING ISLAND IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IF YOU TAKE A GOLF COURSE OFF WOULD THAT BE OKAY ON SAINT HELENA AT 1 TO 10 USE A DENSITY YES. 
          NOT BUT WE'VE GOT THE REPORT I'M HONEST AND I'VE TOLD MR. MAR OF THIS I WAS SEVERELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE WAY THAT IT WAS HANDLED AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT MORE TO OUR PLAN AND A LOT MORE TO THE CHOICE THAN JUST THE ITEMS THAT I'VE MENTIONED TONIGHT AND THAT COMPONENT WAS LEFT OUT I BELIEVE IT WAS INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT BECAUSE. 
          IT MAKES THE DECISION MORE DIFFICULT. IT'S NOT EASY IF YOU LEAVE IT OUT IT'S EASY. THIS IS WHAT WAS LEFT OUT. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS IS IN THE CPA SUPPORTS STEADY INCREMENTAL GROWTH THAT 
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ENHANCES THE ISLANDS IS EXISTING CHARACTER RURAL PROVIDES SERVICES AT ECONOMIC TO THE RURAL COMMUNITY YOU DIDN'T THERE WASN'T A SINGLE THING IN THAT STAFF REPORT ABOUT HALF OF THAT STATEMENT PROVIDES SERVICES AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO THE RURAL COMMUNITY. SO WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? IT'S SANDWICHED RIGHT IN BETWEEN THE TWO SENTENCES THAT WERE PROVIDED BUT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND WE PUT THAT IN OUR PLAN AND WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE FACTS. THAT'S WHY A MONTH AGO WE PROVIDED EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION WITH THE PLAN. WE PROVIDED COUNTY COUNCIL WITH THE PLAN. WE PROVIDED THE PUBLIC WITH THE PLAN EVERYTHING WE PROVIDED THE PLAN TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC. BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE PUBLIC. IT WAS DEVELOPED BY INDIVIDUALS ON SAINT HELENA OVER TWO YEARS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF INPUTS THAT'S HOW THIS CAME ABOUT SO ONE THING IS YOU ASK ABOUT IT WAS A QUESTION EARLIER MR. MILLER MAYBE YOU MISSED IT. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ASKED IT BUT IT WAS A QUESTION WAS WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING EVERYTHING YOU WANT. THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WENT INTO THE PLAN? YES. THERE'S A GOLF COURSE AND YES, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT THOSE BENEFITS, THOSE SERVICES THAT THOSE ECONOMICS THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND THAT'S IF YOU LEAVE THAT STUFF OUT AND YOU ONLY FOCUS ON A USE A SPORT IT'S EASY. 
          SO LET'S LOOK AT THOSE TERMS THAT WE WE SAW WERE LEFT OUT STEADY INCREMENTAL GROWTH A REDUCTION 100 HOMES IT'S FAR MORE INCREMENTAL THAN THE CPA LOWEST INCIDENCE COUNTY WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IS EFFECT THIS IS INTERESTING. I WAS UNAWARE OF THIS UNTIL I STARTED WORKING ON THIS THE RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM ALONG WITH THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CPA AS IT IS DID THERE ARE LARGE PROPERTIES ON SAINT THAT UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CPO COULD CREATE LARGE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES LEADING TO A DOMINO EFFECT WHERE THOSE OTHER LARGE TRACTS WOULD THEN BE DEVELOPED AND THERE'S A REAL CONCERN FOR THAT AND THAT IS IN THE PLAN AND SO THAT'S I THINK IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A 91 OR 90% REDUCTION IN DOC'S PROTECTION OR THOUSANDS AND FEET OF LINEAR SHORELINE. 
          I JUST WANT TO STOP THERE AND POINT OUT THERE WAS BACK IN I THINK IT WAS 22 THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS DONE MAYBE THE RURAL CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM AND IT AT A TAXPAYER COST OF $350,000 PROTECTED 1000 FEET OF SHORELINE AND IT WAS HERALDED AS A GREAT PROJECT AND I AGREE IT IS A GREAT PROJECT BUT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO DO 30 TIMES THAT WITHOUT TAXPAYER FUNDS YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE STUFF 60% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC. 
          THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT OUR COUNTY'S DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW EVERYWHERE I I THE I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU LAST TIME WITH JERRY POINT AND IT WAS NOT GOOD BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC BUT THIS IS 60% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC AND THAT'S GOING TO BE FELT EVERYWHERE NOT ON SAINT HELENA. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE DOWNSTREAM ON LADY'S ISLAND. IT'S GOING TO BE ON CITY OF BEAUFORT. IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL ENHANCING THE ISLAND'S EXISTING CHARACTER PRESERVATION OF 82% OPEN SPACE. THE PROTECTION, THE WATERWAYS AND I WANT TO STOP HERE FOR A SECOND THE REMOVAL OF 1 MILLION MAYBE MORE SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS REMEMBER THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS PRIMARILY HOUSES AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS LOCATED 60 FEET FROM THE CRITICAL LOT. 
          WHAT WE'VE SAID IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALL IN ALL VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS BACK TO 150 FEET AT A MINIMUM THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE FARTHER THAN THAT. 
          SO WHAT THIS DOES IS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THE GOLF COURSE AND RUNOFF IS THAT YOU HAVE A HUGE BUFFER? YOU HAVE INTERIOR DRAINAGE. THERE IS FAR LESS DRAINAGE AND PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT OF A GOLF COURSE AS OPPOSED TO EVERY GUY LIKE ME GOING LOWE'S AND PUTTING FERTILIZER OUT IN HIS BACKYARD AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT IT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS A BIG DEAL. WE HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
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THE LEVEL OF THE DOCKS PROTECTS THE SHADING OUT OF MARSHES CREATES RESILIENCY. 
          THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THAT AND IT'S IN THE PLAN. I KNOW ALL OF YOU I WILL SAY. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOTORIOUS FOR READING MATERIALS AND THAT'S IN THERE MORE DETAILS ON THAT. MORE DETAILS ON SHORELINE PROTECTION. 
          BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ALL NIGHT PROVIDING SERVICES. I WANT TO GET TO THIS AND THE IMPORTANTLY I WANT TO GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE. BUT THESE SERVICES KNOW ONE THING THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IS WHICH WAS NOT EVIDENT TO ME BUT THEN WHEN I READ IT IT KIND OF A LIGHT BULB MOMENT WHICH IS THAT PURELY RECOGNIZING THE CULTURE IS IMPORTANT AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE WE'VE RECOGNIZED I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE SWEETGRASS BASKET INDUSTRY IS IN DANGER WHETHER IT BE HERE OR CHARLESTON OR DUSKY BECAUSE OF LACK OF SWEETGRASS. IS THAT THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BUILDING HOUSES RIGHT UP ON THE SHORELINE IN THAT INTERMEDIATE AREA WHERE SWEETGRASS GROWS THEY'RE PUTTING DOCKS THERE. SO NOT ONLY ARE WE ELIMINATING THAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PLANT A FIVE ACRE SWEETGRASS FORM WHICH IS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO BEAUFORT ARTISANS BUT ALSO CHARLESTON ARTISANS AND ANYONE ELSE THAT IS IN THAT TRADE THE CORNERS COMMUNITY DEFINING THAT AS A HUB FOR COMMERCE THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND PROVIDING LAND AND FUNDING WHICH TOTALS ABOUT $3 MILLION TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS CASH AND THE LAND INVESTMENT FOR A COMMUNITY AND RECREATIONAL CENTER THE CORNERS COMMUNITY AND THIS IS WHAT AS I'VE BEEN WITH THIS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS THIS IS THE THING THAT ABSOLUTELY FRUSTRATES ME THE MOST THESE OPPONENTS THIRD PARTY GROUPS MANY OF THEM FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA COMPLETELY DISMISS THE ECONOMIC OF THIS PLANT THOSE ARE JUST SERVICE JOBS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THOSE THOSE. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF Y'ALL REALIZE WHEN THE FIRST BUS PICKS UP ON HELLO TO TAKE FOLKS TO HILTON HEAD TO GO WORK IT'S 5:00 IN THE MORNING GETS THE HILTON AT 630 IS 3 HOURS ON A BUS TO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY THAT MATTERS AND THAT'S A CHOICE WHEN THIS MOVES FORWARD THIS PROPERTY WILL RESULT IN THE LARGEST EMPLOYER ON SAINT HELENA 35 TO 70 JOBS AVERAGE SALARY OF $80,000 A THE LOCATION OF THOSE JOBS BASE PLEASE ME PLEASE THE LOCATION OF THOSE JOBS VERY IMPORTANTLY LIKE I JUST MENTIONED IS CLOSE TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES, CLOSE TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY LIVE. THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER REASONS BUT THAT IS A HUGE ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOCATING JOBS WHERE PEOPLE LIVE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WASTE THEIR TIME COMMUTING. THEY DON'T HAVE TO IMPACT THE ROADS COMMUTING. THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE UP RESOURCES FOR THAT POINT. 
          THEY CAN TAKE THAT 3 HOURS AND THEY CAN SPEND IT WITH THEIR FAMILY. 
          THEY CAN JUST SLEEP IN A LITTLE BIT. THE OTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WHILE THIS IS A REDUCTION OF 66% IT WILL ACTUALLY RESULT OF INCREASED TAX REVENUE OF 24%. AND WHY IS THAT? WELL, THAT'S THESE ARE GOING TO BE SECOND HOMES TAXED AT THE DEFAULT RATE NOT PRIMARY RESIDENCES AND SO THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE MORE TAX INCOME FROM LESS DEVELOPMENT, LESS IMPACTS ADDITIONALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SCHOOLS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING IN THE SCHOOLS WHICH IS ABOUT $13,000 PER KID BASED ON THE FULL DENSITY PLAN THAT'S ABOUT $1,000,000 IN SAVINGS EVERY YEAR TO THE SCHOOL BY NOT HAVING THOSE KIDS WHICH COULD BE IN THE FALL DENSITY PLAN UNDER THE CPS AND IT IN ADDITION TO THE FULL TIME JOBS ONCE THE PROPERTY IS FUNCTIONAL ALSO GOING TO BE 300 FULL TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS ROUGHLY DURING CONSTRUCTION AND 3000 ACROSS THE AREA THAT SAME TIME FRAME IT LOST MY POINT SO LOOKING AT THIS QUESTION ABOUT GOLF AND IF 
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WE PUT GOLF AND I THINK THEY COMPARE GOLFS TO HOMES WHAT I HEARD SO THIS IS A PARK THIS IS HOMES IN A PARK AND MR. MARSHALL SAID WELL YOU CAN DO ALL OF THIS UNDER THE CPO AS IT IS AND HE'S RIGHT ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM CAN GIVE AS MANY THINGS OR BENEFITS OR DONATE MUCH AS THEY WANT AT ANY TIME NO MATTER WHAT ZONE THEY'RE IN. THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS WELL IF YOU HAVE A PARK AND A PARK IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CPO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT HOLES IN THE GROUND AND FLAGS IN THOSE HOLES AND YOU A GOLF PARK OR I'M SORRY GOLF FOR A GOLF COURSE THIS IS WHAT YOU GET. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT . THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'VE JUST GONE THROUGH. 
          THERE'S A GOLF COURSE SO WE HAVE A CHOICE AND I IGNORING THOSE OTHER ITEMS THE SERVICES, THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS, IGNORING THOSE MAKES IT EASY JUST. LOOK AT THE USE. 
          IT'S A GOLF COURSE. IT'S GOT TO BE NO, IT'S NOT THAT EASY. 
          THIS WHY THE PLAN CONFORMS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE CODE AND THE CPO BETTER THAN THE CPO DOES ITSELF SO SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NON ELEMENTS AND WE HAVE THOSE AND I HAVE THOSE ON SOME SLIDES THEY ALL INFORMATION THAT I'VE GIVEN BEFORE THEY'VE BEEN IN THE PLAN IN THE NATURE THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN DETAIL. SO I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THOSE. I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH SOME OF THESE AND HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH. SO THE TALK ABOUT CONSISTENT WITH FIRST THE GOAL IS A POLICY THE COMPREHENSIVE ONE WE'VE KIND OF HIT ON THOSE WE'VE GOT THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY PROTECTION OF THE WATERWAYS COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, THE ECONOMIC INVESTMENT THAT'S THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THERE AND IF YOU AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR STATED THAT IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THOSE THINGS BECAUSE IT REMOVES THE PROPERTY FROM THE CPO TO ALLOW A USE WHICH DESTROYS THE CULTURE AND THE CPO THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE COUNTY STAFF REPORT AND THAT WAS IN SECTION ONE THAT WAS ALSO IN SECTION TWO. SO THIS ABOUT ARE THEY IN CONFLICT WITH ANY DIVISION OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE WE'VE ALREADY SAID IT'S CURRENTLY TWO ARE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS ON TWO AND I THINK MR. MERCHANT EVEN SAID THAT ALL OF THIS IS ALLOWED UNDER TWO ARE AND ACTUALLY THE DENSITY IS SIMILAR T ONE NATURE PRESERVE AS I MENTIONED TO THE DOWN ZONING PLAN THIS IS WHERE AGAIN THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING AND MORE DIFFICULT AND WHERE STAFF SOUGHT TO TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND ACTUALLY MR. MERCHANT EVEN RECOGNIZED THAT WE COULD DO THOSE NOW SO I GUESS THEY COMMUNITY BENEFITS YOU REALLY NEED THEIR RESPONSE WAS PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT DOES NOT ADDRESS ANY KNOWN COMMUNITY NEED AND THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE OF SAINT HELENA NONE WELL WE TALKED ABOUT THEM LOCATING JOBS NEAR TO PEOPLE ALIGNMENT WITH A RURAL AND CRITICAL LANDS PROGRAM AND GREEN SPACE PROGRAM. 
          THOSE PROGRAMS AS WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR HAVE DESIGNATED THIS AS AN IMPORTANT PROPERTY FOR PRESERVATION. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT 360 ACRES FROM OPEN SPACE AND FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT NO COST TO THE TAXPAYER. 
          THOSE FUNDS FOR THE GREEN SPACE PROGRAM CAN BE USED OTHER PLACES IN OTHER DISTRICTS THE COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER WHICH IS THE THING HAS BEEN SAID MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN PUBLIC MEETINGS AS I WENT BACK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS VERY ITEM AND IN EVERYTHING SINCE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY AT COUNTY COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RECREATIONAL CENTER AND THAT IS IMPORTANT AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT HAS COME OUT THROUGH CHARRETTE PROCESSES WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          THIS WAS NOT DEVELOPED BY US FOR THE COMMUNITY THIS WAS DEVELOPED BY THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THEIR NEEDS AND THIS IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT COULD IT COULD DO IT COULD LOOK HELP WITH EDUCATION. IT COULD HAVE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS IT COULD HAVE RECREATION, A GYM, A MULTIPURPOSE SPACE. AND THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING WHICH THE COUNTY HAD CONSULTANTS HIRED CONSULTANTS, SPENT MONEY AND CAME UP WITH A 
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PROPOSAL, SAID THIS IS WHAT WE NEED AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO HELP WITH IN THIS PLAN REQUIRED BY CHANGE CONDITIONS SO THE CONDITIONS ARE FEW. 
          ONE IS THIS MARKETPLACE OF GOLF AND THE USE OF GOLF WE TALKED ABOUT NOT AS AN AMENITY BUT AS A AS A FOR DENSITY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST QUITE HONESTLY DIDN'T EXIST BACK IN LATE NINETIES WHEN WHEN THIS WAS COMING OUT WHEN THE CPO FIRST CAME ABOUT. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE WHICH IS KIND OF COME UP IS THAT AND THIS WAS PROVIDED IN THE LETTER THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU THIS MORNING THERE'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SECTION THAT AND INCLUDED IN THAT THERE'S A LINK TO A LETTER FROM THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE CPO COMMITTEE SO MR. MERCHANT TALKED ABOUT THE CPO COMMITTEE AND HOW IT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND THEN THERE WERE MORE THINGS DONE AND THAT'S WHEN GOLF WAS FORMALLY ELIMINATED OR EXCLUDED AS A SPORT IN 2023 THE VICE OF THAT CPO COMMITTEE SAID THAT HE WASN'T ALL THE INFORMATION HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION CONSIDER AND HAD HE BEEN GIVEN ALL THAT INFORMATION HE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THIS PLAN OVER THE CPO HE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED REMOVE FROM THE CPO. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FROM THE BEGINNING TRIED TO BE AS OPEN, APPROACHABLE AS POSSIBLE, GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT. SO THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO DO. 
          DOWNLOADING IS COMPATIBLE WITH PROPOSED THE AREA AROUND IT AGAIN THE SURROUNDING AREAS TOO ARE WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW GOLF COURSES ARE PRESERVED RURAL CHARACTER THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND THE INTERESTING PART IS I DID A QUICK CALCULATION THIS WILL TAKE OFF A PIECE OF PROPERTY 9% OF THE DEVELOPABLE AREA ON SAINT HELENA NORTH OF SEA ISLAND PARKWAY. 9% WILL COME OFF AND WILL BE GUARANTEED UNDER THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE RURAL AND TO BE MAINTAINED NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE LANDS SURROUNDING LANDS. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CREATED BUFFER OF THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURES FROM 60 FEET. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE NUMBER SEVEN LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE DOING LESS. WE DON'T REQUIRE THE SERVICES. 
          WE DON'T IMPACT THE ROADS WE DON'T NEED MORE. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE. 
          AND WITH THE DOWN ZONING PLAN NOT RESULT IN ADVERSE NATURAL IMPACTS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT 1000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OPEN SPACE AND THE DOWN ZONING PLANNING RESULTS OF DEVELOPMENT ADEQUATELY SERVED BY THE FACILITIES THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT THE STATE OF PLAY THE DEPARTMENT JUST TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT I GUESS AND SAID THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FULLY DETERMINE THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC FACILITIES. WE PROVIDED Y'ALL AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH SERVICE LETTERS FROM ALL THE PUBLIC UTILITIES STATING THAT IT IS SERVED BY THOSE PUBLIC UTILITIES AND THERE IS CURRENTLY WATER AND THERE'S CURRENTLY ELECTRICITY AT THE SITE TO THE ISLAND WHICH IS IMPORTANT IMPORTANT. 
          SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE COVER THAT MORE AT THE BEGINNING THAN I HAD INTENDED TO AND SO I WON'T GO BACK THROUGH THAT BUT I THINK THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS IT'S BEEN BEFORE. 
          THIS IS A MATTER OF LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY COUNCIL COUNTY COUNCIL THINK MR. HOLBERT PUT IT CORRECTLY AS ALL ADVISORY ROLES AND SO I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDE ITS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CONDITIONED UPON THE EXECUTION OF A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONTAINING THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS AND THAT WE'VE PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THERE'S A PENDING APPLICATION FOR. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          MR. FUCHS ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS HERE, MR. JUKES. 
          THANK YOU. OH, YOU DO GO AHEAD. JUST START JUST FROM A STANDPOINT PRESENT PLANS AND I KNOW I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO PUT THEM IN WRITING THE GOLF COURSE 
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PUBLIC SEMIPUBLIC JUST RESTRICTED TO THE OWNERS OF THOSE IT IS PRIVATE AND THE IMPORTANT PART IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE REQUIRED OR TIED TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE CLUB. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. I SAID IT WILL BE PRIVATE AND THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE TIED TO MEMBERSHIP IN THE CLUB WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT WHETHER THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCREASE TAXES FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR OTHER PLACES. I'D SAY HELENA IT WON'T BECAUSE OF THAT RESTRICTIVE NATURE IT IS NOT COMPARABLE TO OTHER PROPERTIES ON SAINT HELENA IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IT WOULD BE EVEN COMPARABLE TO PLACES LIKE DAUGHTER AND YOU KNOW FROM AND WHO WILL OWN THE COURSE I'M SORRY WHO WILL OWN THE COURSE THE OWNER THE COURSE. A GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE THE DEVELOPER I'M SORRY THE DEVELOPER ON THE COURSE. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YES, THAT'S THE PURPOSE. OKAY. I FIND IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TODAY IN TODAY'S WORLD SAYING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PERMANENT RESIDENTS. 
          BUT THAT'S MY PROBLEM. I ALSO QUESTION AN OF 80000 HOURS WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ATTEND THE GOLF COURSE EARN A HECK OF A LOT LESS THAN THAT. 
          BUT THANK THANK YOU. YEAH JOHN MR. DUKE AND ON YOUR APPLICATION IT TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF 35 TO 70 FULL TIME JOBS BUT IN YOUR TIAA IT STATES 30 EMPLOYEES. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE DIFFERENCES PLEASE? WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE TO ADDRESS ONE THING ALSO POINT OUT WHILE HE'S MAKING HIS WAY UP IS THAT THERE ARE 35 TO 70 JOBS THERE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION JOBS MR. REEVES IS HERE HE SUPPORTS THIS PLAN. 
          HE OPERATES THE LAST OR THE LARGEST OPERATIONAL DOCK OF SHRIMPERS WHICH IS LOCATED ON VILLAGE CREEK WHICH IS RIGHT . SO NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO BE CREATING JOBS, IT'S GOING TO BE PROTECTING THOSE JOBS JOBS WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT JOBS WHICH IN THE BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS A SHRIMP BOAT IN WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I DREW LONGER I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH THOMAS NOT IN THE 30 JOBS REFERENCED IN THE SO WE CAN'T HEAR THE AUDIENCE CAN'T HEAR YOU CAN'T IT'S CLOSER TO THE MIC THAT THE 30 JOBS REFERENCED IN THE TIAA THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THOSE WOULD BE THE PERMANENT JOBS SO ANY CONSTRUCTION JOBS ARE NOT IN THE EIA. 
          SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT MOST OF THE FULL TIME JOBS YOU'RE MENTIONING REALLY ONLY GOING TO BE DURING CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT CORRECT? EXCUSE ME ELBOW DROP B.A. ONE ST HELENA MILL ROAD. SO DREW IS REFERRING TO THE 30 JOBS AND I THINK MR. HANNITY YOU'RE ASKING WHY IS IT 30 VERSUS 35 VERSUS 70 WE WILL BACK TO YOU ON THE 100% ACCURATE NUMBER MY UNDERSTANDING OF TALKING WITH THE TRAFFIC OF THOMAS GARDEN IS THAT THAT IS BASED ON AN AM PM SITUATION WHERE IT NETS OUT TO AN AVERAGE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THE PROPERTY AT A SPECIFIC TIME. BUT WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH A FULL FLEDGED EXPLANATION OF IT. BUT THERE'S AM AND PM NUMBERS AND I BELIEVE IF THAT KICKS ANY RECOGNITION OF THAT UP FOR YOU DREW IN BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT'S BASED ON. BUT WE CAN GET BACK TO THE FACTS ON THAT POINT YET THAT THIS ONE YEAH THAT'S CORRECT SO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IN IT IT'S OUTLINED IN THERE THAT IT DIVIDES UP THE TRAFFIC BASED ON THE TIME OF DAY THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING SO THAT'S ALSO OUTLINED IN THE IN THE BUT BUT I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AT LEAST PORTION OF THE JOBS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ARE CONSTRUCTION NOT PERMANENT JOBS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SO IF YOU REMEMBER I BROUGHT THAT OUT SEPARATELY SO THERE WAS ACTUALLY 300 TEMPORARY IF YOU WILL BUT FULL TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THAT THOSE ARE THOSE ARE IN THE LOCAL AREA AND THEN IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE CLOSER TO 3000 IN THE LARGER COUNTY AREA AGAIN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE THOSE ARE FULL TIME EQUIVALENT JOBS THAT LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK WHAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THOSE FULL PERMANENT JOBS WHICH ARE WHAT WE'RE SAYING ARE GOING TO BE THAT 35 TO 70. BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT THEY DON'T ALL WORK AT THE SAME TIME. I ACTUALLY WORKED GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE WHEN I WAS GROWING 
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UP. YOU GO IN AND YOU WORK AND YOU YOU CUT THE GREENS IN YOU DO STUFF IN THE MORNING AND THEN YOU GO HOME. OTHER PEOPLE COME IN. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE BEHIND WHERE WAS LOOK BUT WE CAN GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT CERTAINLY BECAUSE I KNOW IN READING THE TIRE THE 30 WAS BROKEN DOWN FURTHER BASED ON AM AND PEAK SO IT WASN'T ALL 30 INCLUDED IN THE AMMO OR THE WAY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ARE RUN THEY LOOK AT THE AND PEAK HOUR IN THE PM PEAK HOUR SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THAT WHERE THE 30 NUMBER COMES FROM IS EXPECTED AT THAT AM AND PM PEAK HOUR WHAT THE TIRE SAID 30 NUMBER CAME FROM YOUR CLIENT THAT'S CORRECT I THINK I'VE HEARD WHAT I NEED TO I THANK YOU I THINK OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS I GUESS ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS THIS TIME. EXCUSE ME. SO AS DREW SAID, WE'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION IS KEVIN HERE TONIGHT? THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS NOT HERE. OKAY. BUT OVER AND OVER THE SINGULAR DATA POINT THERE IS A IS A SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS A SINGULAR DATA POINT AND A BROADER TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT COMPARES THE TWO OUTCOMES FOR THE PROPERTY AND I DO NOT WANT IT TO BE LOST UPON THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS COMMISSION THAT THE OVERALL REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC IS 60% THROUGH DATA. AND I BELIEVE MR. HANEY, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THAT THE THE THE RELIABLE OF THAT DATA AND SO WE'LL GET YOU THAT NUMBER BUT TO THAT POINT WHAT KEVIN JUST SAID OR MR. DUKES JUST SAID WAS THE PRIVATE NATURE OF THIS GOLF COURSE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY LIMITED AND EXTREMELY PRIVATE BY DESIGN. SO WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO INCORPORATE THOSE NUMBERS IN A MANNER THAT REFLECTS THAT THERE'S JUST NO CODE 30, 47 OR WHATEVER IT IS. I THINK IT'S 130 B BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS BECAUSE KEVIN MR. DUKES WHEN HE WAS ON HIS BOAT BY SUCCESSION AND ANY TIME THERE'S BETWEEN 40 TO EXCUSE ME WOULD YOU WOULD YOU GUYS MIND THERE'S BETWEEN 42 AND 120 PLAYERS ON THE GOLF COURSE AT ANY GIVEN TIME BUT WITH AN AVERAGE OF 60 PLAYERS THERE'S TWO SPRINTER VANS THAT GO TO SUCCESSION AND SO YOU SEE HIM AROUND TOWN DROPPING PEOPLE OFF SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES . THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT OF A NATIONAL GOLF CLUB WITH LIMITED MEMBERSHIP IS THEY DON'T HAVE CARS AND SO THE RESIDENTS DO BUT AS SECONDARY THEY'RE ONLY HERE WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING GOLF SO THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND TOWN. THEY'RE GOING IN AND AROUND THE VAN. 
          SO IT'S A UNIQUE CONCEPT FOR ENGINEERS BUT. IT SHOULDN'T BE LOST UPON THIS COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF IT AROUND HERE AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT UNDERSTOOD ON THE DETAIL BUT JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE MACRO. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE COME UP AGAIN JUST. A REMINDER YOU'VE GOT 3 MINUTES WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. BE BE RESPECTFUL OF THE THE AUDIENCE AND BE RESPECTFUL TO THE AUDIENCE. I WILL CALL THE NAMES UP. 
          I'VE GOT ABOUT 30 OF THESE SO IT SHOULD TAKE US ABOUT 90 MINUTES. 
          I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO STICK TO THE 3 MINUTES SO WITH THAT WE CAN BEGIN IF THERE'S FOR A FIRST PERSON UP IS A QUICK QUICK QUICK GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          GLAD YOU ONE MORE AGAIN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER SO DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THIS SHOW ONE MORE AGAIN AS SOMEBODY DIFFERENT UNTIL NOW TO WORK ON ALL THESE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ALL EVENING AND CLIMATE CHANGE SEA LEVEL RISE ALL THAT EASIER THING ONE OF THE THING THAT I NOTICE ALSO THERE ON THE CHILDREN TO TEACH ABOUT IS TRULY WHO WORK IN THE NUMBERS LIKE ME SO I A NATIVE OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND THAT ALSO IS A MATHEMATICIAN SO I'VE HEARD A LOT LIKE IT'S SIMPLY THE ECONOMICS BUT THERE ARE NO ECONOMICS TO THAT WHICH IS PRICELESS BIOLOGY. CULTURE IS PRICELESS. WE KNOW THIS AND WE KNOW THIS 
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NOT ONLY THOSE OF US WHO ARE NATIVES BUT ALSO PEOPLE WHO SAW AND CAME TO THIS LAND BETWEEN JACKSONVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA AND JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA WHICH IS NOW THE GULF NATION AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO SET FOOT IN THE EPICENTER OF GALLIC GEECHEE CULTURE WHICH IS SAINT HELENA BECAUSE WE SAW THAT WE WERE BEING ROBBED THE REAL WEALTH WHICH IS OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE WHICH OUR LAND THAT OUR LITERAL ANCESTORS BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS IS IN THE PLACENTA OF GARLIC GEECHEE BABIES EVEN LIES IN NO ONE HAS SAID TONIGHT THE VALUE OF OUR LIVES BECAUSE IT IS PRICELESS THERE'S NO NUMBER CAN PLACE ON THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US SELL US AGAIN LIKE OUR ANCESTORS WILL WANT SO BUT THE WISDOM THAT EMITS FROM LAND CAME INTO PEOPLE IN THE 1990S AS DATA READY WITNESS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 1950S 6070S AND EIGHTIES SURROUNDING SAINT HELENA AND WITH THAT MODEL WITH ANYTHING LIKE THAT THEY SAID WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE CULTURE WHICH IS GULLAH CULTURE. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN STATED TONIGHT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE SET UP ON THE SCREEN NOT THING BEARS WITNESS TO TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT WAS DESIGNED FOR TO PROTECT CULTURE, WHAT CULTURE GULLAH GEECHEE CULTURE AND ALL TRADITIONS THEY ARE IN THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING BECAUSE IT PREDATED ZONING BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH OWNING. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WEALTH BUILDING I WENT AND DECIDED I WOULD SIT HERE AND ACTUALLY LOOK THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY LIFETIME HAVE BEEN TIRED OF PEOPLE COMING HERE SAYING THEY WANT GIVE US A JOB THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR. SO I DECIDED TO DO WHAT I DO AS A COMPUTER SCIENTIST I DECIDED TO GO TO THE COMPUTER LET THE COMPUTER TELL ME WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A JOB BUILDING WEALTH AND THE FIRST THING IT SAYS IS WHILE JOBS PROVIDE WEALTH BUILDING GOES BEYOND THAT TO ENCOMPASS ACCUMULATING ASSETS AND FINANCIAL FREEDOM AND. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO READ MORE BUT THERE'S LOTS MORE HERE AND I'LL EMAIL THIS TO YOU ALL BECAUSE THE FINANCIAL FREEDOM THE WORD FREEDOM WAS CRITICAL. WE HAVE BEEN FREE TO LIVE OUR TRADITIONS, OUR CULTURE ON SAINT HELENA WHILE WE WATCH OTHERS ON HILTON HEAD AND LADIES ISLAND AND OTHER RIGHT IN OUR COUNTY GET DISPLACED GATED ALL YOU'RE DOING THAT AND SO WE CALL ON YOU TONIGHT TO CONTINUE TO UPHOLD WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY WITH THIS COMMISSION AND THAT IS TO WHAT STAFF HAS SAID AND REJECT THIS APPLICATION THAT WOULD REMOVE ANY PORTION OF THE CULTURE OF PROTECTION OF LAKE DISTRICT OR CHANGE ANY ZONING FOR ANY PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S WITHIN IT AND HOLD ON TO THE FREEDOM OF SAINT HELENA ISLANDS ARE NATIVE GULLAH CHIEFS AND THOSE WHO ARE FROM SAINT HELENA THAT AGREE ME PLEASE STAND AS I SIT THE PEOPLE I COME DOWN YOU GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. ME BE RESPECTFUL BACK THERE AND WE CAN'T GET ACCOMPLISHED HERE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DISRESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER THANK THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME. I'M SORRY YOU ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN UNTIL MY LAST BREATHING BREATH I AM STANDING BY THE FLAGPOLE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF HUMANS COULD LEARN FROM HISTORY BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S ONE OF OUR FAULTS BECAUSE THE GULLAH GEEKY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY HAVE EVER HAD AFTER THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. THEY'VE BEEN DISPLACED FROM EVERYWHERE FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA AND IT'S STILL GOING THERE'S SOME ISLANDS IN OFF OF GEORGIA JUST SOUTH OF US THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IT THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT AND THE INSIGHT TO DO THIS CPO WAS A GREAT THING AND YOU KNOW THE OTHER THING ABOUT GOLF COURSES IS THERE'S 13 GOLF COURSES THIS SIDE OF THE BROAD RIVER FIVE OR SIX OF THEM OPENED UP LAST YEAR PRIVATE GOLF COURSES OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC. NOBODY GOLFS ANYMORE BABY BOOMERS GOLF. BUT MOST OF US BABY BOOMERS ARE NEAR OUR LAST BREATH, YOU KNOW? AND SO GOLFS AND THAT'S WHY HE THINKS THE GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO BRING ALL KIND OF MONEY. 
          OTHER THING ABOUT GOLF COURSES IS AND I CAN'T I CAN'T SWEAR THIS BUT MONSANTO IS THE 
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EVILEST CORPORATION, THE PLANET I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED DEATH FROM THE STUFF THAT THEY PUT ON THESE FIELDS. I AM AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND IS SOMEBODY GOING TO BE TO CLEAN UP THE MESS EVERY NIGHT THIS ISLAND OFF OF THIS CONSTRUCTION? THE OTHER THING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A FEDERAL JOB OR WHAT BUT WHEN YOU STAND ON THE NORTHEAST END OF PINE ISLAND ALL YOU SEE IS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. 
          YES. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF EDISTO BEACH OUT THERE BUT YOU'RE SEEING SO IT'S REALLY A BARRIER ISLAND AND I DON'T IF THE FEDS NEED TO GET INVOLVED HERE TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S I JUST ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE RESPECT THE GALLAGHER PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR CULTURAL HUB. 
          IT'S ALL THEY HAVE LEFT YOU. I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE I'VE LIVED ON SAINT HELENA FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS NOW, MOVED HERE FROM VIRGINIA AND THEY THE INFRASTRUCTURE I MEAN CELL PHONE EVEN WITH VERIZON I BARELY GET CELL PHONE CONNECTIONS. INTERNET STINKS. YOU KNOW SO JUST DRIVING HERE TONIGHT THE TRAFFIC TURN LEFT ON LADY'S ISLAND I JUST 21 WAS BACKED UP TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND YOU KNOW IT'S DEAD AND I KNOW THAT MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC MUST BE COMING FROM FRIPP I DON'T KNOW BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOWHERE NEAR TO YOU KNOW ALL I'M HEARING IN THE NEWS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN HILTON HEAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THE FUNDING TO GET THE ROADS AWAY DOWN THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IF I WANTED LIVE IN HILTON HEAD OUT TO MOVE TO HILTON HEAD THANK YOU. SO YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL ARE ARNOLD BROWN ARNELL BROWN. 
          I TOTALLY SWITCH PLACES IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YEAH. 
          HE'S NUMBER FOUR ON NUMBER ON THE BLANEY. I'M SORRY. 
          LET ME FIND YOUR NAME. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ARNAUD COME UP AND LOOK AT ME. 
          HE'S A GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I HAVE EIGHT REASONS WHY THIS APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. UM THE FIRST ONE IS YOU EUCLID VERSUS AMIRA. ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO A DEVELOPER TOOK A CASE TO THE SUPREME COURT IN THE SUPREME COURT RULED IN FAVOR OF THE COMMUNITY RULED DID NOT APPROVE THE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST AND THAT'S A A SO THIS CASE THIS TYPE OF CASE HAS COURT APPROVAL AT THE SUPREME COURT AND THINK THE ATTORNEYS KNOW IF THEY DO THAT IF THEY PROCEED IN ANOTHER DIRECTION IT'S NOT GOING TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT. THEY'RE GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN AND LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, THE DAY APPROXIMATELY 25 YEARS AGO THE COMMUNITY THE ST HELENA COMMUNITY RIGHTS WERE COMMUNICATED THROUGH THE CPO AND THAT'S A VERY VALID PART OF PROCESS TO HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT THE INVESTORS ASKING GUILFORD COUNTY TO VIOLATE SPOT ZONING A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS USED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AT THAT TIME AS. WELL AS THE ATTORNEY IT WAS A SHOCK TO THEM THAT WE BROUGHT THAT UP DESPITE ZONING. SO THIS WOULD BE A VIOLATION SPOT ZONING IF THEIR REQUEST IS APPROVED REAL ESTATE OH SIR WHEN THE INVESTOR BOUGHT THE LAND THEY KNEW IN ADVANCE IT RESTRICTIONS IN THIS NOT THE GOVERNMENT BEAUFORT COUNTY OR ANYONE ELSE RESPONSIBILITY TO BAIL THEM OUT IF YOU START GIVING BAIL OUTS I LOST MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET I NEED TO BAIL OUT THE NEW TERM. THERE'S TWO CHANGES THIS YEAR 
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THERE WASN'T THIS THIS YEAR THE NEW ONE OF THE TERMS IS RESPONSIBLE GROWTH OR SMART GROWTH? YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE SMART GROWTH AND RESPONSIBLE ANYWHERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY IT HAS GOT TO BE AT LEAST THREE PROJECTS SOMEWHERE THAT CAN BE USED IN REFERENCE TO SEE FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN BLUFFTON BUILDING PLANS HAVE BEEN BUILT THOUSANDS OF HOUSES IN BLUFFTON THOUSANDS OF HOUSES YOU TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT SMART THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE BY PULTE HOMES AND OTHER BUILDERS? I DON'T THINK SO. QUID PRO QUO TOOK UP $2 MILLION WAS PUT ON THE TABLE AND WE DON'T APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          I'M SORRY YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, APRIL. 
          LINDA BLOUNT BLOUNT IS THE NAME IT SAYS AND EDDIE ANY BLOUNT TO INDIA? YES, INDIA. I'M SORRY YOU HAVE TO READ YOUR CHECK WITH ME BECAUSE I WAS SEE YOU CHECK WITH THEM OVER AT THE DESK AND MAKE SURE YOU PUT ONE IN. 
          WOULD YOU CHECK OVER THERE PLEASE WELCOME MS.. YES, GO AHEAD. 
          THIS ONE PLEASE START YOUR COMMENTS SO YOU HAVE GOOD EVENING. 
          GOD BLESS. MY NAME IS JENDAYI BLUNT AND I CAME TO SPEAK TO YOU BRIEFLY THIS EVENING ABOUT WHY I AM IN FAVOR OF THE PINE ISLAND ZONING PLAN. 
          SO I PROBABLY WERE ON A YOUTH NONPROFIT THAT MEMBERS THAT MENTORS THE NEXT GENERATION RIGHT HERE ON SAINT HELENA ISLAND THAT'S SOME OF WHICH YOU SEE STANDING HERE WITH ME TODAY . SO I RISE TODAY IN FULL SUPPORT OF PINE ISLAND DOWNS ON A PLAN BECAUSE IT MEETS REAL COMMUNITY NEEDS PROTECTS THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE WHICH IS MY HEART AND MY PASSION. LIKE THE BEAUTIFUL SISTER WHO SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT, HER NEIGHBORHOOD SHE MADE SOME OF THE POINTS FOR US THE CURRENT PLAN ALLOWS FOR LARGER SCALED GATED DEVELOPMENTS THAT REALLY DON'T SERVE US THEY REALLY DISPLEASES SO MY QUESTION IS ISN'T THE DOWN ZONING PLAN GIVING THE COMMUNITY A MORE MORE OF A FIGHTING CHANCE TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT GETS BUILT AND ENSURE IT REFLECTS WHO WE ARE UM WE REALLY DON'T NEED ANOTHER MASSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH WOULD SHUT US OUT. WE REALLY WANT THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS WHAT I FEEL IS OFFERED WITH THE DOWN PLAN AND THE GOLF COURSE. 
          IT DOES CREATE REAL LOCAL JOBS . I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR JOBS THAT THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR. HOWEVER I'M SURE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT I PERSONALLY KNOW THAT WOULD GRATEFUL ACTUALLY TO RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF JOB. 
          SO IT STILL ALSO PRESERVES THE LAND IT PRESERVES A WAY OF LIFE WHICH IS FAR BETTER THAN A FAR BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN HUNDREDS OF LUXURY HOMES THERE. THE PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE MOST OF US CAN'T AFFORD SO I THINK THAT THIS IS AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. 
          YES I DO BUT NOT AT THE COST OF CULTURE. OUR ACCESS TO THE LAND OR NOT AT THE COST OF THE KIDS FUTURES MY NONPROFIT EVERY DAY WITH THESE YOUTH WHO DESERVE TO INHERIT A LAND THAT STILL BELONGS THEM NOT ONE SOLD OFF PIECE BY PIECE AND I BELIEVE THAT THE DOWN ZONING PLANT IS A LONG TERM INVESTMENT IN OUR FAMILIES CULTURE AND THE YOUTH WITH NO BURDEN SO THE TAXPAYERS IT ENSURES GROWTH AND IT ENSURES THAT IT HAPPENS OUR TERMS AND NOT A TERM OF THE DEVELOPER OR OF INDEPENDENT HOMEOWNERS WHO BUY THOSE TRACTS OF LAND. SO LET'S DO RIGHT BY THE NEXT GENERATION AND PROTECT WHAT MAKES THIS LAND OF YOURS THAT YOU CALL HOME SO SACRED. SO LET'S PASS THIS PLAN LET'S PASS IT ON TO THE CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A VOICE, THEY HAVE OPINIONS, THEY HAVE PERSONALITIES, THEY HAVE THOUGHTS OF THEIR OWN THEY'RE NOT BEING FORCED TO STAND HERE. 
          THEIR PARENTS ARE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WE SUPPORT TO SUPPORT THEM. 
          SO BEEN TOLD THAT THEY'RE BEING DECEIVED BUT AGAIN DON'T TALK THEM DON'T TALK AROUND THEM THROUGH THEM TALK TO THEM THEY ,UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY HAVE FULL AWARENESS AND FULL AUTHORITY OVER THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS. SO THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE REASONS WHY I STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH THIS PLANT. THANK YOU. 
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HAVE A GOOD EVENING GOD BLESS. THANK YOU, JAMIE. JAMIE BAUMANN. 
          YES, MA'AM. PLEASE WOULD YOU BE MORE RESPECTFUL OF THE PUBLIC MEETING? YES, GO AHEAD, MISS BOWMAN. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO DISPEL THE MYTH THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FROM HERE OR LIVE HERE ARE FOR THE ISLAND TOWN ZONING PLAN. 
          I'VE BEEN A BEE FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS SINCE THE 1980S AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF ST EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND BE PLEASE BE QUIET OVER THERE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING OVER YOUR NOISE THANK YOU GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST HELENA ISLAND FOR OVER A DECADE WHICH WOULD MAKE ME A BEENA NOT A CUMBRIA. 
          I'M STANDING HERE WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY RESILIENCE HUB AT 808 ON ST HELENA AND THE GALLAGHER CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THEIR FOUNDER AND THEIR PRESIDENT. THERE IS NO THIRD OPTION WHERE THE DEVELOPER PACKS HIS BAGS, SELLS THE LAND AND GOES HOME. WE'RE GETTING ONE OF TWO OPTIONS AND I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY SIDE WHAT THIS THIRD IMAGINARY OPTION IS. DESPITE HOW MANY TIMES ASKED AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T HEARD IT HERE TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO GET A GOLF COURSE OR 145 HOUSES WITH SEPTIC TANKS AND DOCKS THAT WILL HARM OUR ENVIRONMENT AND THE WATER AROUND IT MORE THAN A GOLF COURSE WITH RETENTION PONDS TO ME YOUR CHOICE SHOULD SEEM OBVIOUS AS A PROTECTOR OF OUR WATERWAYS AND LAND AND UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING HE'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT SECOND OPTION AND THAT WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITHOUT COMPROMISE. 
          AND LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS I AM NOT FOR A TWO HOUR ZONING DEVELOPMENT. 
          I DO NOT 145 HOUSES ON ST HELENA BUT I ALSO DON'T TO JUDGE TO BE THE ONE TO DECIDE THAT I WANT THE COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT LAND. 
          THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT NOW IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. THE PAST YEAR I'VE KNOWN THE PAST TWO YEARS ACTUALLY I HAVE NOTICED A LOT HYPOCRISY SURROUNDING THIS DEBATE AS I DRIVE AROUND MY HOME. I'M BOMBARDED WITH SIGNS THAT SAY NO GATES AND NO GOLF SO WHY IS IT THEN GOLF ISLAND IS EXEMPT FROM THE NO GATES. I DROVE PAST 213 ACRES AND 170 ACRES ON ST HELENA ISLAND OWNED BY GOLF. AND GUESS WHAT THEY ALL HAD GATES. EVEN OUR OWN CENTER PUT UP A FENCE AND ATTEMPTED TO GATED OFF NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO WHICH STOOD AGAINST ALONGSIDE WITH QUEEN QUIET AND. 
          OTHER EXAMPLE. THE FIRST THING I HEARD ONE OF THESE MEETINGS YEARS AGO IS IF BLACK PEOPLE DON'T GOLF. HOW INSULTING IS THAT THAT TO TIGER WOODS LIKE WHO AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS NOBODY THAT GOLFS ANYMORE. YOU LIVE IN COUNTY. 
          I SAID TIGER WOODS IS BLACK. IN FACT IN OUR OWN PEN CENTER HOLD A GOLF TOURNAMENT BACK IN THE 1990S AND WHICH OUR OWN DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE HIMSELF PARTICIPATED IN AND IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL THAT THEY DID IT TWICE ANY JOB REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT PAY IS BETTER THAN NO JOB FOR OUR LOCALS THAT HAVE TO BE BUSSED AND OFF THE ISLAND TO WORK EVERY MORNING. BUT IT IS APPARENT THAT THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THAT SINCE THEY'RE ALLOWING A HOTEL, A RESTAURANT AT THE FOUR CORNERS TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR YEARS AND NOT BE RELEASED IN TIME. YOUR TIME IS LOCAL MIAMI. 
          YOUR TIME IS. OUR TELLING YOU TO STEP OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE YOUTH AND THE NEW RESIDENTS OF SAINT HELENA DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR SAINT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MARILYN. OR HEMINGWAY. 
          ANITA, WAIT. SUE ELLEN PARKWAY. AND AFTER HER IS ELIZABETH ANN HAYES. IF YOU COULD JUST BE IN THE QUEUE SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS QUICKER. MARILYN HIM ANYWAY FROM 808 SEE ALAN BARKLEY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT ACTUALLY. MARILYN HEMINGWAY WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. YES I KNOW I HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME SO LET'S START WITH COURSE CORRECTION. THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COURSE CORRECTION AND I CAN SPEAK TO THIS PERSONALLY BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST SPOKE REGARDING THE PINE ISLAND DEVELOPMENT I SPOKE OUT IN OPPOSITION BUT THE NIGHT I SPOKE OUT IN OPPOSITION I ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE OPTION AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY IN THIS SITUATION. IT IS THEN THAT I DECIDED THAT I NEEDED TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND I CAME BACK TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND I ACTUALLY STOOD AND SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO RETHINK THIS AND IN MEDIATION WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY THE 
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CURRENT COUNTY ATTORNEY DID NOT MENTION THAT THERE WAS MEDIATION INVOLVED THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE HEADLINES ABOUT MEDIATION THAT I THEN SAID THAT MAYBE THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER NEEDED TO GET TOGETHER AND IF IT RESULTED IN A GOLF COURSE THEN THAT WAS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND SINCE THEN I'VE DONE EVEN MORE RESEARCH AND THIS RESEARCH INCLUDED REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, HOSTING WORKSHOPS AT EIGHT OR EIGHT SEALAND PARKWAY AND THAT'S WHY YOU HEARD THAT ADDRESS AND WITH COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS BUT ALSO STUDYING THE NEW DOWN ZONING PLAN AND I AM HERE SUPPORT OF THIS DOWN ZONING PLAN BUT LET'S START THERE AND LET'S GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1999 BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH RESEARCH THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME WHILE STATING THAT THE CPO WAS A GOOD PLAN ALSO NOTED THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE CLEAR REGARDING CULTURE AND IT'S MY UNDERSTOOD THAT MEETINGS WERE NOT HELD THEY WERE ENDED NOT HELD CONSISTENTLY THE CPO AND WHAT WAS IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WAS MAYBE NOT CLEARLY ADDRESSED CLARIFICATION OF CULTURE AND IN 2025 I BELIEVE THAT IS IMPACTING WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND THAT LEADS US WHY YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COURSE. 
          WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IF WE NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON CULTURE MAYBE THAT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY BACK IN 1999 TO CARVE OUT PINE ISLAND WHICH WAS NEVER OWNED BY GULLAH GEECHEE FOR OVER 160 YEARS IT WAS OWNED BY A FAMILY THAT WE ALL KNEW WAS NOT GULLAH GEECHEE. 
          SO WHY A BROAD SWATH OF BRINGING IN LAND THE CPO. SO THAT WAS A TIME BOMB THAT WAS JUST WAITING TO GO OFF AND IT WAS NEVER ADDRESSED. BUT HERE WE IN 2025 PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO DECIDED TO SELL THAT LAND WHICH WAS THEIR RIGHT AND MAKE PROFIT TO ANOTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING WITH LAND AND THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER IN SPITE OF OPPOSITION CAME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENED AND CAME BACK WITH A DOWN ZONING PLAN WITH BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I SPENT A YEAR AFTER RESEARCH AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE ARE HERE HAS ECOLOGY CHAMBER AND WE SUPPORT THE TOWN ZONING PLAN. 
          THANK YOU THANK YOU ELIZABETH AND HAYES. NEXT IN THE Q AFTER ELIZABETH IS TERESA WHITE SHE'S JUST GONE. OH TERESA BUT PLEASE READY YOU SAID TERESA WHITE OR ELIZABETH? YES GO AHEAD, ELIZABETH AND HAYES. 
          OKAY. THAT'S ME. THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ELIZABETH ANN HAYES AND I'M AT 808 SEA ISLAND PARKWAY. I WANT TO START OUT BY LETTING YOU KNOW ABOUT MY RESEARCH. I START FIRST I WANTED TO LOOK UP THE BENEFITS OF DOWN ZONING SPECIFICALLY WHEN I STARTED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS FOR THE URBAN COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO DOWN ZONING? AND THIS IS WHAT I FOUND DOWN ZONING CAN OFFER ADVANTAGES IN URBAN AREAS. SHAPING COMMUNITIES LONG TERM STABILITY AND LIVABILITY. AND HERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC BENEFITS REAL QUICK PRESERVING HISTORIC AND CULTURAL AREAS, REDUCING OVERCROWDING, ENHANCING GREENSPACE AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVING HOUSING STABILITY, CONTROLLING INFRASTRUCTURE DEMAND AND SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS IS WITH BEING A PART OF THIS THIS THIS PLAN AND THIS ORGANIZATION I'VE BEEN TO DOZENS OF MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS UNLIKE OTHER PLANS THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY YOU GUYS HAS BEEN SHAPED BY OUR VOICES THE COMMUNITY FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE COME IN THROUGH THIS CHARRETTE PROCESS AND GAVE OUR INPUT AND AFTER DOING THAT HERE COMES THE NEW PLAN THAT INCLUDES OUR INPUT AS THE COMMUNITY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IT REFLECTS OUR OUR VALUES AND WHAT WE WANT FOR SAINT HELENA PART OF THAT WHICH IS WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS THE FIVE ACRES THE ISLAND C C SWEETGRASS FARM WHICH WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL PROVIDE FREE SWEETGRASS TO THE GULLAH ARTISTS THE IT'LL CREATE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND IT WILL KEEP OUR TRADITIONS ALSO THIS IS NOT A PROMISE. IT IS A LIVING INVESTMENT IN OUR CULTURE AND OUR FUTURE. 
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I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ONCE AGAIN DEVELOPERS ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR MORE. 
          WE FINALLY HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT IS ASKING FOR LESS THROUGH DOWN AND HAS GIVEN THE COMMUNITY INCLUDING THE YOUTH THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE REALLY IMPORTANT HERE. 
          SO EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT CULTURE. WITH THE CPO I FEEL SHE STANDS FOR CHILDREN PROTECTION OVERLAY. WHAT ABOUT THEM? BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR FUTURE BECAUSE THE 34 THE 30 YEAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I'M GOING TO BE 70 YEARS OLD IN 30 YEARS. THAT IS NOT FOR ME. IT IS FOR THEM AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN THIS AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE PLANNING FOR NOT OURSELVES. ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU SUPPORT THE PINE ISLAND DOWN ZONING PLAN IT INVITES A FUTURE FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH THAT. EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT FROM BENEFIT FROM NOT JUST ONE SIDE. EVERY SIDE WILL BENEFIT FROM THE PINE ISLAND DOWN ZONING PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, TERESA WHITE AND I WAS NUMBER ONE. I'M JUST GOING MAN. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE SIT DOWN? SIT DOWN. I UNDERSTAND SHE WAS LIKE NUMBER I DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE IS A WHITE IN THERE. Q IS ROY BROWN THAT? MY NAME IS THERESA. WHY I AM THE FOUNDER CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE PAN-AFRICAN FAMILY EMPOWERMENT AND LAND PRESERVATION NETWORK WHICH HAS SAVED MORE THAN $20 MILLION WORTH OF GOLD U.S. LAND IN GEORGIA AND SOUTH SINCE 2015. 
          I AM A RESIDENT SAINT HELENA ISLAND AND I LIVE ON A PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THE CIVIL WAR AND RECONSTRUCTION ERRORS AND I INHERITED MY PORTION IN 1957 WHEN MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS THOUGH I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS IN SUPPORT OF EXPAND I MEAN I'M SORRY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF PINE ISLAND AND SEEING WHAT CAN BE DONE TO FOR BOTH SIDES TO BE ABLE TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. WITHOUT DESTROYING THE OTHER IN A PROCESS. MARILYN HEMINGWAY IS CORRECT. THAT IN 1999 THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WHO WAS THEN ALLOWED ON THIS AND HOW TOLD COUNTY COUNCIL THAT IT WAS IMPROPER INCLUDE THE ENTIRE 64 HOURS OR 64 MILES OF SQUARE MILES OF ST HELENA ISLAND IN THE CPO BECAUSE. ALL OF THAT LAND WAS NOT HISTORICALLY GO ON LAND AND IT WAS CENTRAL TO THEIR CULTURE. PINE ISLAND IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAS BEEN OWNED CONSECUTIVELY BY WHITE PEOPLE FOR MORE THAN 160 YEARS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOME SORT OF HUNTING A FISHING RETREAT OR SOME KIND OF RESORT. SO TO USE THAT YOU'LL BE TRAPPED YARNELL IS REQUESTING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE GRANTED FOR THE GOLF COURSE. 
          THE ONLY REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE GRANT THE GOLF COURSE FEEL SORRY IS BECAUSE OF THE. I THINK THAT THE FAIREST TO DO WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE CPO IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE REST OF THE LAND AS OWNED BACK ALL PEOPLE AND KEEP YOUR PROPERTY TAXES DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE . BUT IN FAIRNESS TO MR. TRAPIANTO BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT HE PURCHASED HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED BE EXEMPT FROM THE CPO . AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS TONIGHT. I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS SO I DRESS THOSE CURRENT CONCERNS DIRECTLY TO CANONICAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ROY BROWN IN THE Q ADELAIDE HILLS. ROY, GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND ONCE AGAIN I COME BEFORE YOU BY THANKING YOU FOR LOOKING AT THE DOWN ZONING PLAN. I WANT FOR YOUR GOOD WORK AND I WANT TO THANK THE CPO FOR WHAT THEY DID BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELVIA WAS TRYING TO DO HE HAS DONE WITH THE CPA WAS ASKED HIM TO DO. HE'S DOWNSIZED TO WHERE EVERYBODY CAN WIN LIKE THE OLD LADY SAYS EVERYBODY WINS. I THINK AND AT ANOTHER LEVEL 
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EVERYBODY THE SAME THING. BUT WE'RE JUST GETTING A HARDER WAY TO GET TO IT. 
          BUT I THINK THIS DOWN ZONING PLAN AND EXPLAINING WHY THIS YOUNG MAN HERE IS A NO BRAINER I EVERYBODY GETS IT. EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT OUR CHILDREN ON SAINT HELENA NEEDS HELP. I DO RED CROSS. I GO TO SAINT HELENA A LOT OF TIMES STILL RED CROSS FIRE. I SEE WHAT WE NEED ON SET, HELENA. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT THESE FOLKS SAY ABOUT WE DON'T LIVE THERE. I'M FROM SAINT HELENA. 
          I SEE WHAT OUR CHILDREN'S NEEDS ARE WITH. CHILDREN DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. HOME INSURANCE. I'VE BEEN THERE FRIDAY NIGHT TIL FIRE. I KNOW WHAT WE NEED AND I KNOW THIS PLAN WITH THE BENEFITS FROM THIS PLAN WHAT IT CAN DO FOR OUR ISLAND. HOW WE CAN BRING US UP TO PAR IS NOT A HANDOUT IT'S AN UPLIFT . IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A DUI. 
          DUI. IT'S IT'S A CHANCE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE SOME THAT CAN'T GO TO COLLEGE, SOME THAT CAN'T AFFORD THEIR CAN'T AFFORD TO GO TO COLLEGE. YOU SPENT AN HOUR A HALF TO DRIVE THE HILTON HEAD TO DO THE SAME JOB YOU CAN DO WITH PINE ALL THAT YOU DO. YOU SPEND AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY FROM YOUR CHILDREN. YOU CAN HAVE YOU CAN TAKE A BICYCLE, A RIDE TO WORK COME ON. I THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND I THANK MR. TRAPIANTO HIS ELEGANCE. I THANK HIM BECAUSE HE TOOK THE TIME AND HE DID NOT FREE BECAUSE OTHER FOLKS DID ASK HIM TO FREE BECAUSE THEY PUT THEIR OWN PRIVATE OR PERSONAL GAINS. 
          THIS IS A PERSON THAT CARES ABOUT THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE MORE IN MY 75 YEARS THAN MOST PEOPLE ON SAINT HELENA HAS DONE FOR THEMSELVES AND I THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND I THANK YOU WITH WHAT YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. 
          ADELAIDE HILLS ADELAIDE HILLS AND SHE LEFT. OKAY PAT HARVEY PALMER AND THEN CRAIG REEVES AFTER THAT AND I'VE BEEN TO COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD YOU SAY YOUR NAME PLEASE. I APPRECIATE IT. WOULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN PLEASE? HARVEY PALMER. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. IN ANY CASE, I SAID I'VE BEEN TO COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES SPEAK BUT I'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. MY STORY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          I FIRST CAME TO BEAUFORT, YOU KNOW, VIA THE MARINE IN 1966 AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1966. BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE IT DOES NOW AND 1978 I GOT INTO REAL ESTATE. I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE 45 YEARS. I MOVED TO THE ALAMO NEXT TO PINE ISLAND IN 1988 AND I'VE BEEN ON SAINT HELENA FOR 37 YEARS BUT JUST BECAUSE OF MY CAREER I TRAVEL CONSTANTLY NORTH OF THE BROAD EVERYWHERE AND I I'M TELLING YOU ALL THAT EVERY TIME I GET IN MY CAR AND GO DOWN A DIFFERENT ROAD ANYWHERE. BEAUFORT THERE ARE MORE HOUSES, MORE APARTMENTS, MORE MORE TRAFFIC. I MEAN IT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE THE THOUGHT OF HAVING 149 HOUSES ON PINE ISLAND WITH 300 CARS UP AND DOWN ALAMO ROAD EVERY DAY IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE. IT REALLY IS. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I'VE ASKED MANY, MANY PEOPLE TO PLEASE TELL WHAT DR. ISLAND HAS DONE TO HER SAINT. HELENA DOT HAS BEEN THERE WITH HER TO GOLF COURSES FOR 40 YEARS AND THE BEST I CAN TELL I'VE BEEN OUT THERE ALMOST 40 YEARS. 
          THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS FOR AN ISLAND FOR 30 YEARS THEY HAVE CLEANED UP HIGHWAY 21. I'VE SEEN THEM OUT THERE THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          THEY'RE OUT THERE WEEKEND. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT ISLAND WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK PRETTY BAD OUT THERE. BUT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. I DON'T FEEL LIKE A GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO HURT ANYBODY. I REALLY DON'T. AS FAR AS CULTURE GOES, THERE ARE 64 SQUARE MILES ON SAINT HELENA, 41,000 ACRES. THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR CULTURE, PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PEOPLE, ALL OF US WE CAN ALL WORK BE TOGETHER. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT ONE GROUP WINNING AND ANOTHER GROUP LOSING. 
          IT'S ABOUT SAINT HELENA ISLAND WINNING. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT LIFE IS BETTER THAN MORE. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. REEVES. AND THEN ROBERT NEW IS IN QUEUE . 
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GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS YOU. EXCUSE ME. 
          HANG ON A SECOND, SIR. SPOKEN? YES. 
          I THINK THESE ALSO IF YOU CAN FIND MY REGISTER. I'M SORRY, MR. RICH. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CRAIG REEVES AND I'D LIKE SEVERAL OF THEM. I'VE AT COUNTY COUNCIL BUT I HAVEN'T HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE DOWN ZONING IN THE INITIAL WHEN IT WAS ALL CAME OUT I WOULD OPPOSE TO A GOLF COURSE AND GATES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ALL THE ALL THE NOISE WAS ABOUT BUT WHEN I ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT THE TWO OPTIONS IT WAS VERY CLEAR IF ANYBODY HAS EYES AND EARS TO SEE WHAT MR. DUKES PRESENTED TONIGHT IT IS ABSOLUTE CLEAR THAT THERE'S ONE OPTION THAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY VERSUS A GREATER GROWTH 145 HOMES AND POTENTIALLY 100 DOGS. 
          NOBODY PROBABLY COMES BEFORE YOU GUYS THAT ARE ASKING FOR LESS. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS UP ZONING. I CANNOT FATHOM HOW YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT THE THE HERITAGE. 
          SO YOU KNOW, I'M A FISHERMAN. MY LIFE MY DAD WAS A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN. 
          I BELIEVE IN OPEN LAND. I SUPPORT ALL THAT STUFF. WHAT THE PINE ISLAND DEVELOPMENT IS OFFERING IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY VERSUS THE DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE CPO AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT'S TO HAPPEN AND YOU GUYS AND COUNTY COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHOOSE AND THE FUTURE REALLY DEPENDS ON IT BECAUSE THIS IT'S LESS CARS IT'S LESS HOMES LESS IMPACT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE IT'S LESS IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU HAVE INTERNAL DRAINAGE IN THE PONDS HOUSES ON THE CREEKS AND VILLAGE CREEK MATTERS TO ME I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY AND 1992 WHEN WE MOVED HERE THERE WAS OVER 100 COMMERCIAL SHRIMP BOATS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. THERE'S LESS THAN 15 NOW AND ABOUT EIGHT OF THEM ARE ON VILLAGE CREEK. THERE'S THREE LEFT SOUTH THAT ARE ABROAD FOR. MAYBE EVERYTHING NORTH AND ABROAD IS EITHER GAY FISH COMPANY OR VILLAGE CREEK. SO HOW ISLAND IS DEVELOPED MATTERS TO US. 
          IT MATTERS OUR HERITAGE. IT MATTERS TO OUR CULTURE. I'M A I HOLD EIGHT LEASES FOR OYSTER GROUNDS WE CRAB WE WE HAVE 80 FOOT SHRIMP BOATS SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT POWERBOATS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 80 FOOT TRAWLERS 90 FOOT TRAWLERS COMING IN AND OUT OF VILLAGE CREEK. SO IT'S IMPORTANT HE'S COMMITTED NOT TO BUILD DOCKS ON VILLAGE CREEK. IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE WHAT HE'S OFFERING AND I COMPLETELY ASK YOU GUYS TO RECONSIDER BECAUSE THE CPO IS GOING TO FORCE THE WORSE OPTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. REEVES. 
          ROBERT AND PAULA DILLON RIGHT HERE IN THE QUEUE. GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR SERVING IT'S TRUE PUBLIC SERVICE WHAT YOU DO. SO WE HAVE MYSTERY DEVELOPER WHO BUYS PROPERTY TO DEVELOP A GATED GOLF RESORT KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE CPO PROHIBITS JUST SUCH A DEVELOPMENT HE NEVER INTENDED BUILD THE HOUSES THE HOUSES ARE AN EXCUSE FOR THE GOLF COURSE BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REALITY. EVERYBODY'S MISSING POINT. 
          WHY IS THERE A CPO? THE CPO WAS CREATED IN 1999 BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAW THAT THE OF CULTURE AND ALL THE OTHER SEA ISLANDS WAS DISAPPEARING GOLF COURSES EVERYWHERE GOLF COURSES. SO THEY IN A MATTER OF GENIUS THEY PUT IN THE CPO 2023 IT WAS STRENGTHENED IT WAS STRENGTHENED TO PROTECT THE GOLF CULTURE ON THE LAST SEA ISLAND THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT GULLAH CULTURE. IT'S THAT SIMPLE YOU ONLY ALLOW ONE GOLF COURSE EVERYBODY'S TO COME WITH THE SAME PACKAGE AND YOU GOT TO GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY AND THEN NOW HONOR WILL LOOK EXACTLY LIKE EVERY OTHER ISLAND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY DISAPPEARED FOR THE GOLD CULTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. PALM. AND MY APOLOGIES MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GOOD LUCK IN YOURS. 
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MY NAME IS PAULA GLENNIE. I LIVE ON SAINT HELENA AND TONIGHT IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE I FEEL OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO HOODWINK IS THE TERM I USE EVERYBODY BELIEVING THAT HE CAME HERE TO BUILD HOUSES IN THE GOLF COURSE BUT MAINLY HE WANTS TO BUILD A GATED COMMUNITY MEANING HE CAN HAVE ALL KINDS OF SPORTS ARTS AND RESTAURANTS AND JOBS AND ALL ON HIS LITTLE ISLAND BUT NOBODY CAN GO IN UNLESS THEY LIVE THERE UNLESS THEY'RE A MEMBER. LAST WEEK HE'S TALKED ABOUT DIGGING 18 LITTLE HOLES I DON'T KNOW IF HE THINKS WE'RE STUPID BUT A GOLF COURSE IS NOT JUST 18 LITTLE HOLES AND WHEN YOU QUESTION HIM THE 30 TO 50 JOBS DID HE HAVE AN ANSWER? NO, NO BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT HE'S BEEN HERE. 
          HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT QUESTIONING AND TALKING TO ALL OF THESE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ON SAINT HELENA THAT ARE ALL FOR HIM DESTROYING THE CPO. WELL AS WITNESSED HERE. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE ALL FROM SAINT HELENA. THERE'S A LOT PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE NOT. SO YOU THE TERMINOLOGY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AT HOME WHEN I WAS GOING TO WRITE MY SPEECH WHICH I HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ANYTHING ABOUT BUT CARPET BAGGER CAME UP IN MY MIND BEATING A DEAD HORSE WHICH OUR FRIEND THE LAWYER DID FOR AN HOUR YOU KNOW, TAKING ADVANTAGE PEOPLE THAT THEY FEEL DON'T DESERVE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE THAT WROTE THE CPO THOUGHT ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING IN HERE AND MAKING IT JUST LIKE HILTON HEAD LIKE SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THERE ARE THREE TEEN GOLF COURSES NORTH OF THE BROAD 13. DO WE NEED ANOTHER ONE? OH WAIT A MINUTE. IT'S GOING TO BE PRIVATE WHICH IS WHAT HE IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE MULTIMILLION HOMES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE NOT TO LIVE THERE YEAR ROUND. DOES HE HAVE SOME KIND OF GUARANTEE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE THERE YEAR ROUND? I REMEMBER AT A MEETING TWO YEARS AGO WHEN SHE QUESTIONED THAT AND HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER THEN EITHER SAINT HELENA IS NOT OUR BOUDOIR HOITY TOITY MULTIMILLIONAIRE KIND OF PLACE. IT IS A GALA GEECHEE CULTURE AND THEY'RE DESPERATELY TRYING TO HOLD ON TO IT. SO I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND NOT BE MANIPULATED BY THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE I HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE JAMIE BOWMAN TO SINCERELY SPEAK NO. 
          YES I THOUGHT YOU DID. YEAH. YOU OKAY ONE? TOTALLY. TOTALLY. AND THEN PRINCESS SMITH IS IN Q GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JUAN TOLLEY. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE SOUTH CAROLINA ENVIRONMENTAL LAW PROJECT AND WE HAVE REPRESENTED THE SEA ISLAND COALITION SINCE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WAS INITIALLY RAISED A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD ASK YOU TO DENY THIS APPLICATION AND TO KEEP THE CPO IN PLACE LEGALLY DENYING THIS APPLICATION IS APPROPRIATE LEGALLY KEEPING THE CPO IS APPROPRIATE. WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT BETTER PLAN. 
          IT'S THE SAME PLAN REPACKAGED THIS IS ST HELENA IS SPECIAL PRICELESS AS THE QUEEN SAID AND ONCE IT'S IT'S GONE WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A CPO IF WE JUST CHANGE IT WHEN THE DEVELOPER ASKS TO THIS IS NOT DOWN ZONING THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO CHANGE THE LAW STATE LAW ALLOWS FOR THE CREATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY LOCAL COMMUNITIES BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS COME UP WITH A BEAUTIFUL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HAD THE 
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FORETHOUGHT TO INCLUDE A CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY AND AS A RESULT SAINT HELENA HAS BEEN VERY WELL PROTECTED AS A RESULT IT BUT CULTURAL RESOURCES HAVE BEEN PROTECTED THE RURAL NATURE IT HAS BEEN PROTECTED THE ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN PROTECTED AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO KEEP IT IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DENY THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT IS INCLUSIVE OFTEN WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE BEAUFORT COUNTY PLANNING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH AND UNDERMINES THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE CPO ZONING DISTRICT. IT WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE TO NEARBY LANDS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT HISTORIC CULTURAL RESOURCES AND THE TRADITIONAL LAND USES IN SAINT HELENA. THANK YOU THANK YOU PRINCESS SMITH. PRINCESS SMITH PRINCESS SMITH AT 50 GEORGE IS GONE AND SO VIRTUALLY THIS ARE JESSE WHITE AND AFTER HER MARIE GIBBS AND RIGHT THERE OKAY AND YOU HEAR ME YES OKAY THANK YOU JESSE WHITE AGAIN SOUTH COAST DIRECTOR FOR THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE HERE AND BEFORE THAT I JUST WANT TO IF I COULD HAVE AN EXTRA SECOND JUST TO RESPOND BECAUSE I HEARD THE COASTAL CONSERVATION COME UP A LOT IN THE PRESENTATION AND WE'RE NOT AN APPLICANT BUT I DO WANT TO JUST RESPOND SINCE A LETTER WAS PROVIDED I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF IT SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT BUT IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY I THINK IT WAS LOCATED OKATIE WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM SAINT WHICH IS WHY THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSISTENCY WITH RURAL LAND USES IN OKATIE THAT IS THAN SAINT HELENA BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN OVERLAY DISTRICT ON SAINT HELENA AND THAT IS WHAT IS ABOUT SAINT HELENA. SO WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU KEEP THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY ON SAINT HELENA AND THE PROTECTIONS THAT IT HAS IN PLACE FOR SAINT HELENA ISLAND SPECIFICALLY TO PROHIBIT THE THE LAND USES THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE IMPACTFUL TO GORGUI LAND OWNERSHIP AND CULTURE WHICH ARE COMMUNITIES WHICH IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A OR A FENCE A GATED COMMUNITY IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN RESTRICTED ACCESS FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT ALSO PROHIBITS GOLF COURSES AND RESORT DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALL OF THESE LAND USES WERE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AND SPECIAL RESOURCE STUDY TO DESIGNATE THE FEDERAL GOLD GEECHEE NATIONAL HERITAGE CORRIDOR. SO THESE USES ARE WELL DOCUMENTED AS CAUSING IMPACTS A RISE IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAXES AND DISPLACING PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOMES AND IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE AS TO JUST SAY IF THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY IT'S, NOT GULLAH PROPERTY AND IT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          THE OVERLAY IS ABOUT HAVING FORESIGHT AND THOUGHTFUL, WELL-INFORMED DECISION MAKING INTO THE FUTURE AND IN FACT THREE DECADES AGO THE SAINT HELENA COMMUNITY MADE THAT DECISION HAVE A DIFFERENT VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR LANDSCAPE AND THAT VISION WAS ENACTED INTO LAW AS THE CPO AND IT HAS BEEN REINFORCED IN THE YEARS SINCE. 
          WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS SIMPLY JUST AS SPEAKER BEFORE ME SAID A REPACKAGED IT'S REALLY THE SAME PLAN THAT'S BEEN BEFORE YOU IT'S DRESSED UP DIFFERENTLY IT HAS SOME NEW SPOKESPEOPLE BUT IT'S REALLY JUST THE SAME PLAN ASKING FOR ANOTHER 30 SECONDS OKAY IT'S ASKING FOR NOT LESS BECAUSE A GOLF COURSE IS NOT ALLOWED AND THEY CAN BUILD THE HOUSES TODAY BUT THEY'RE HERE ASKING FOR MORE WHICH IS A GOLF RESORT. OUR RULES EXIST FOR A REASON AND ST HELENA'S CPO HAS BEEN PROTECTING SAINT HELENA FOR NEARLY THREE DECADES ALLOWING 
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AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE PROPERTY OWNER WILL OPEN THE DOOR FOR MANY MORE TO FOLLOW AND USHER IN INCOMPATIBLE IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          JUST MARIE GIBSON MARIE GIBSON AND MARCIE FARRELL FARRELL IS THE QUEUE. 
          GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. MY NAME IS MARIE, A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF SAINT HELEN. 
          THIS ISLAND AND I JUST HAD A PARABLE I WAS AS I WAS SITTING DOWN AND SOMETHING CAME TO IF ONE MOSQUITO BITES YOU YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME AS 140. AND I TOOK OFFENSE TO SOMEONE SAYING THAT PEOPLE HELMETS AND I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING WITHOUT THE DEVELOPER WELL I I HAVE A PH.D. ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE MASTER'S DEGREE. IT WASN'T BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY OUR FAMILIES AND SUPPORT WE GOT FROM SYDNEY ON THIS ISLAND I STAND BEFORE TONIGHT AGAIN TO DEFEND OUR CULTURE PROTECTION OVERLAY PLAN DEVELOPER HAS PRESENTED A REWRITTEN PLAN WITH IN NEW VOCABULARY DIFFERENT FONTS AND A NEW NAME DOWNSIZING DON'T BE FOOLED AS WE ARE NOT IS THE SAME PLAN WITH THE SAME GOAL A GET IT RIGHT GOLF RESORT THAT'S A BIG BIG DREAM AS I RECALL IN 2023 YOU DENIED THE DEVELOPER THE REQUEST TO CHANGE OR ALTER THE CPO WE ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE CBO AS DID IN 2023 DEVELOP THE HOPE IS TO WEIGH DOWN WITH SMOKE AND DUST WITH THE GOAL TO GET YOUR PEOPLE WE HAVE PRESERVED WE HAVE PRESERVATION MANY STORMS IN OUR LIVES IF YOU DON'T KNOW EVEN ASK SOMEBODY WE ARE RESILIENT PEOPLE WHEN YOU COME TO AMERICA ON A YACHT WE CAME IN CHAINS AND WE'RE ABLE TO BUY LAND IN 1862 ON ST HELENS ISLAND, SOUTH CAROLINA WHEN ORDER STILL ENSLAVED, OUR CHAINS ARE BROKEN AS YOU BUILD LIVES ON THE ISLAND THROUGH SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND THE LAND WAS FARMED AND WATERWAYS PROVIDED FOOD AND MONEY EARNED. WE USED TO SEND CHILDREN TO SCHOOL BETTER LIVES ON THE ISLAND AS YOU SEE OUR CPO PLAN HAS BEEN OUR SAVIOR. 
          I WAS IN A GATED COMMUNITY. I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND DID WHAT I'VE DONE IN MY LIFE. WE KNOW THE DEVELOPERS PLAN, THE FOLLOWERS FEEL AS EXPRESSED IN OUR LAST MEETING THIS IS BACK US IN THE LAST WEEK THE BLATANT DISRESPECT IS NOT IS NOT NECESSARY. WE VALUE WHO WE ARE AND WE GIVE RESPECT ANCESTORS FOR HAVING THEIR VISION FOR THE CPO PLAN. THEN WE HAVE MATH DEGREES OF PHDS. 
          THEY HAD COMMON SENSE THAT PUT PLACE IN PLACE FOR PROTECTION AND SECURITY OF OUR LAND AND WATERWAYS A FUTURE GENERATION ALSO STALENESS ISLAND. A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TALKING BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT'S ALL PEOPLE SAY FOLLOW THE OLD DOG THEY KNOCKED ON OLD SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE DOING ACTUALLY WE DON'T NEED ANYONE TO BUY THE BUYERS IN RETURN FOR SUPPORT. THE KIND OF PLAN DOESN'T LAST YOUNG PEOPLE AND ALL PEOPLE WISE UP. YOU ARE NOT SELF-RELIANT RELIANT WILL END NOT END WELL TO A DOG BUSINESS. WE'RE ALREADY CLOSE FROM THE PORT GIVEN TO YOU BY THE DEVELOPER YOUNG PEOPLE A GATED COMMUNITY WITH A GOLF COURSE NOT GOING YOUR LIVING WAGE JOB ESCAPE YOUR TIME IS UP ALL RIGHT PLAGIARISM SEARCH AGAIN. WE ARE NOT COMMITTED. 
          WE UPHOLD THE COMMITTEE WE ARE NOT GOING BACK. THANK YOU FOR MR. FARRELL. 
          GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARCIE FARROW. MY FIRST INVOLVEMENT IN THESE PROCEEDINGS STARTED WHEN. I WAS 16 YEARS OLD. BACK THEN IT WAS TAKING HIGHWAY 21 TO 4 LANES ACROSS THE ISLAND . THAT'S WHAT LED TO A LOT OF THIS TODAY. WHEN I LEFT FOR THE NAVY THEY HAD JUST REALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WAS HONORED TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THE NAVY I WAS HONORED TO APPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHILE I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION . WE CREATED THE ZONING ORDINANCE WHILE WE CAN RELATED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. WE AGAIN REVISITED THE IDEA OF THE CPO. WHY DO WE NEED IT? WAS STILL NEEDED. 
          HOW WOULD IT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY? ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE ANSWERED TODAY. WHAT I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT A DOWN ZONING. 
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THIS IS A MARKETING PLOY. THIS IS SOMEONE TRYING TO SELL US SOMETHING BY CHANGING THE NAME OF WHAT IT IS. THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO REMOVE THE CPO SO THAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WILL INCREASE MAKING IT MORE OF A MORE OF A BARGAINING CHIP THAT THEY CAN HOLD OVER OUR HEADS. THEY CAN THEN SAY I CAN BRING IN THIS MUCH MONEY AND YOU CAN AFFORD BUY IT FROM US. THEY ARE THEN ABLE TO SAY THAT WE ABLE TO GET THIS MUCH MONEY AND YOU GUYS WILL BE BENEFICIALLY BENEFICIAL AREAS BECAUSE IT WILL BE INCREASED YOUR TAX BASE. THEY ARE THEN ABLE TO SAY THAT THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS TODAY AND THAT WE DON'T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO IS BEING GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          I'VE HEARD EVERYBODY OUT HERE SAY THE SAME THING THEY WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR SITTING HOME. 
          WELL IF YOU DON'T DO THE CPO WHAT YOU WILL DOING BY GRANTING THIS THIS ONE PARCEL FROM LEAVING IT YOU'RE GOING TO INVITE TO DO THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND DOMINOES WILL FALL AND WE WILL LOSE THE ISLAND. I PROMISE YOU WE SEE IT HAPPENING AROUND US. THE GENTLEMAN FROM SEA EAGLE TALKING ABOUT OYSTERS. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE WILD OYSTER BEDS EVERYWHERE YOU COULDN'T WALK ON THE MARSH AND NOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU SAY WHAT HAPPENED TO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. 
          WE FORGOT OUR PRINCIPLES. THE ZONING IS IMPORTANT BUT THE CPO IS MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT PROTECTS THE CULTURE. ARE YOU? THANK YOU. 
          THANK POLICE LAMARCA AND BRIAN HOUSTON IS. YES. 
          POLICE LAMARCA. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OYSTER BEDS? THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OKATIE RIVER IS WHY YOU DIDN'T HELP US VERY MUCH. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE TALK TO US UP HERE? YES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          THE OKATIE RIVER OYSTER BEDS YOU CAN STILL SEE BUT YOU CAN'T EAT ANY THE OYSTERS OUT OF THOSE BEDS. WHY IS THAT. BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE OKATIE RIVER FROM CHERRY POINT AND ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM TO 78 BERKLEY HALL BELLFLOWER. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT . WE DON'T WANT THAT ON SAINT HELENA. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE'LL FIGHT EVERYWHERE IN THIS COUNTY TO LIMIT DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH THAT IS SUFFOCATING IT. WE HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO LIMIT LIMIT BEYOND MY WILDEST DREAMS. IF HE'D COME TO OKATIE I'D HELP HIM. 
          SO YOU TAKE THE CPO. THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO PROTECT NATURAL AND OR CULTURAL RESOURCES FOUND ON SAINT HELENA ISLAND. THEN THE STAFF WENT ON TO PARAPHRASE GO INTO ALL THEIR THE INTENT OF THE CPO DISTRICT TO PROTECT SAINT HELENA AND THE GULLAH CULTURE FROM ENCROACHING DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES. GROWTH IS NOT DISCUSSED URGED. HOWEVER, THE QUALITY AND RATE OF GROWTH OF CONCERN IN SECTION TWO IS NOT IN CONFLICT. ANY PROVISION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT CODE . I READ THEREFORE THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICTS ON SAINT ISLAND BY LIMITING LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT UNDERWRITTEN NINE HOMES VERSUS 49. IT'S SIMPLE MATH TO ME AND AT THE SACRIFICE OF HAVING GOLF COURSE I'M SORRY IT'S SIMPLE MATH. 
          THE GOLF COURSE DOES NOT THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN 149 SEPTIC TANKS AND GOD HOW MANY DOCKS? WE WON'T BE EATING OYSTERS. OYSTERS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. BRIAN HOUSTON. BRIAN HOUSTON. 
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WE ALREADY SPEAK ALL RIGHT. I DID. BRIAN HOUSTON 114 WHITFIELD STREET WILLING TO ROLL AND AFTER WILLIE DOES NATASHA ROBINSON YOU'RE BRIAN SAID WILLIE TARO WILLIE JEROME WILLIE GO AHEAD GO AHEAD SIR PLEASE. 
          CONFUSED. HOW Y'ALL DOING? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS WILLIE TERRELL. TONIGHT I SPEAK NOT OUT OF POLITICS OR EMOTION BUT FROM A PLACE OF LIVED EXPERIENCE AND COMMUNITY TRUTH ACROSS FUEL ECONOMY WE SEE TIME AND TIME AGAIN HOW CONSERVATION AT DOWN ZONING HAS BEEN APPLAUDED AND APPRAISED. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS DOWN ZONING PLAN MEETS SUCH OPPOSITION. 
          LET'S LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN REALLY DOES. LET'S DOCKS IN THE WATERWAYS. 
          LET'S SET THE TANKS IN THE MARSHLANDS. LET'S HOMES OUR ROADS OVERLOADING OUR SERVICES. GENTRIFICATION PUSH SOME BLACK OFF THE ANCESTRAL LANDS. 
          LESS ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION . LESS COST TO TAXPAYERS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY GOLF COURSES. INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY THAT REDUCES STORM WATER NOT INCREASES IT. IT IS RARE THAT A DEVELOPMENT TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS DEVELOP A DEVELOPER VOLUNTEERS DOWN ZONE THEMSELVES ESPECIALLY IN A WAY THAT DIRECTLY ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY VALUES. AND YET HERE WE ARE. PIENAAR HIS PROPOSAL LISTENS TO THE PEOPLE AND REFLECTS THE ACTUAL WILL OF THE COMMUNITY MYSELF INCLUDED. 
          BORN AND RAISED ON SAINT HELENA KIDS GO TO SEE HELENA. I WORK AND LIVE MOSTLY HELENA. 
          I'M A BUSINESS IN THE CORNERS COMMUNITY ON SAINT HELENA. SO THIS COMPLEX. 
          I KEEP HEARING THIS THEME ABOUT PROTECTION OF THE GULLAH. AND A QUESTION IS WHAT GULLAH PEOPLE ARE YOU REFERRING TO AND ? HOW DID I GET DRAWN OUT OF THAT LINE? AND IF WE'RE DOING THOSE KIND OF FANCY DRAWING THEN WE HAVE WE HAVE A GREATER ISSUE AT PLAY HERE. SO I KIND OF TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE CPO AND ALTHOUGH I'M FAVOR OF CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY I HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE RESULTS HERE SO LET ME TAKE A SECOND. 
          NOT THROUGH SENTIMENT BUT THROUGH RESULTS. THE CPO CREATED IN 1999 SUPPOSEDLY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE, THEIR LAND A WAY OF LIFE BUT WE USE DATA NOT EMOTION. HERE'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND HERE'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY PROTECTED. IN 1999 A BLACK POPULATION WAS 66%. 
          IN 2025 IS 36% AND IS PROJECTED IN TO 2040 TO BE 18.7%. TELL ME HOW IS THAT PROTECTION OF GULLAH PEOPLE? HOW CAN YOU PROTECT A PEOPLE THAT'S NOT THERE? THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND ST HELENA ISLAND IS NEARLY 30% LOWER THAN THE COUNTY AVERAGE. 
          THE CPO PROHIBITS GAS STATIONS ,CAR WASHES OR GROCERY STORES MAKING BASIC NEEDS AND ACCEPTS INACCESSIBLE. YOU CAN'T BUILD A DUPLEX. YOU CAN'T OPEN A FRANCHISE. 
          YOU CAN'T DEVELOP COMMERCIAL RETAIL. BUT DEVELOPERS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE BRIDGE CAN BUILD RESORTS WITH NO SUCH BURDEN. 
          SINCE THE CPA BILL'S PASSAGE GOVERNMENT OWNERSHIP IN SAINT HELENA HAS DECLINED EVERY DECADE BECAUSE ARE LOCKED OUT OF ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND FORCED TO SELL LAND JUST TO SURVIVE. SO IN TRUTH THE CPO HAS BECOME A CULTURAL STRAITJACKET. 
          IT FREEZES OUR PEOPLE IN PLACE ECONOMICALLY WHILE OUTSIDERS WRITE GRANT REPORTS ABOUT PRESERVING THE SOUL OF SAINT HELENA AS IF CULTURE EXISTS WITHOUT PEOPLE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. TRUMP. THANK YOU. NATASHA ROBINSON AND MARILYN HEMINGWAY IS IN THE QUEUE PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS NATASHA ROBINSON BORN AND RAISED ON SAINT HELENA ISLAND. 
          MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER FATHER EDWARD BROWN. EXCUSE ME. 
          WHO LEFT HIS PROPERTY TO MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER SUSAN B BROWN JOHNSON WHO'S NOW THAT PROPERTY WENT ON TO MY GRANDMA SADIE JENKINS AND CARE OF SADIE AND NOW MYSELF AND MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHERS LIVE ON THIS PROPERTY . MY FAMILY HAS BEEN ON SAINT HELENA ISLAND FOR OVER 100 YEARS TOTALLY INVESTED IN THIS PROPERTY COLOR GEECHEE FROM MY SOUL THROUGH MY BLOOD AND THROUGH MY SKIN. SO LET ME SAY THIS EVERYBODY WHO FEEL THAT THEY ARE DOING SO MUCH TO PROTECT HELENA ISLAND PRESERVE DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORD PRESERVE MEANS? IT MEANS TO LEAVE IT ALONE. SO PLEASE TO US. 
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YEAH, IT MEANS TO LEAVE IT ALONE. YOU HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE GREEN DOWNSIZING PEOPLE AND EVEN TO THE CPA. I THINK I'M FIGHTING BY MYSELF BECAUSE THERE ARE GREEDY, MONEY GRUBBING PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE WHO ARE FIGHTING OVER THIS PROPERTY AND IF IT'S REALLY TO BE PRESERVE AND IT'S GREAT FOR THE GULLAH PEOPLE THEN HOW MANY MAILERS HAVE EVER BEEN SENT OUT TO TAGALOG PEOPLE'S MAILBOXES? WHO'S BEEN THERE ON THIS ISLAND FOR AT LEAST 50 YEARS OR BETTER? THESE ELDERS THEIR WORDS SHOULD BE IMPARTIAL TO THIS. THESE ARE THE REAL STANDING STAPLES OUR GULLAH COMMUNITY. 
          WHY ARE THEY NOT INCORPORATED? WHY ARE THEY NOT INFORMED MAILERS TO THEM? SOME OF THEM ARE DISABLED AND WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT. SEND THOSE OUT. 
          LET THEM BE A PART OF THIS DECISION MAKING BECAUSE. IT BELONGS TO THEM MORE THAN IT BELONGS TO ANYBODY ELSE. AGAIN. AND ANOTHER THING THIS GOLF COURSE DOWNSIZING A NEW PRETTY WORD NOW FOR SYSTEMATIC GENTRIFICATION PEOPLE PESTICIDES, GERMICIDAL INSECTICIDES, HERBICIDES, PLANT HORMONES AND GREEN GROWTH ARE PROJECTED ARE USE #50,000 INTO GOLF COURSES AND WITH THE RUNOFF AND THESE CHEMICALS THEY ARE NOW LINKED TO MANY CANCER CASES FOUND IN PEOPLE WHO GOLF OR LIVE AROUND GOLF COURSES ALSO THEY DESTROY THE NATURAL HABITAT AND KILLS OFF THE WILDLIFE. 
          IF YOU ARE REALLY TO PROTECT SAINT HELENA TAKE THIS INTO MIND. 
          TAKE INTO MIND THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS NO A WOMAN SAYS NO IT MEANS NO. 
          RIGHT? SO IF A MAN COMES IN FLASHES MILLION DOLLARS AND TELL ME HE'D GIVEN ME TWO OPTIONS DOES THAT MAKE IT ANY LESS OF A RAPE ? THANK YOU. THANK THANK YOU. MARILYN HEMINGWAY THEN SHE LEFT ALSO SHE WAS READY TO REACH DOWN. THERE WAS OH. 
          ALL RIGHT, QUIET DOWN. PLEASE TRY TO GET THROUGH THE LIST. 
          KEN, KIM, JOY HERE FOR ENJOY AND THEN BEHIND HIM ROBERT SAMPLE THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME . I STUCK AROUND THIS LONG TO PROVE A 77 YEAR OLD WHITE MAN COULD TAKE IT OUT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY I'VE BEEN AROUND. 
          I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN SEVEN YEARS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          I COME HERE 18 YEARS AGO. I'M STAYING HERE. I'M STAYING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A PLACE THAT KNOWS WHO WE AND WHERE WE ARE AND CERTAINLY SAINT HELENA IS A UNIQUE PLACE WORTH SAVORING SAVING IF WE DON'T DO THAT IF WE REMOVE THE CULTURAL OVERLAY THE CULTURE IS BIGGER THAN GULLAH. LOOK AT ALL I LIVE ON SAINT HELENA. 
          I DRIVE THROUGH IT. I APPRECIATE IT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE? THERE IS AN ECLECTIC MULTILEVEL CULTURE ON SAINT HELENA OF ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE TOGETHER EXCEPT IN THE GATED COMMUNITIES THERE IS A CULTURAL IMPLICATION TO AN ELITE DEVELOPMENT AND OF WHAT OFFENDS IS IT SAYS WE'RE IN HERE AND YOU ARE NOT AND IT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT THIS IS GONNA STIMULATE THE ECONOMY OF THE ORDINARY PEOPLE ON SAINT HELENA I HAVE NOT SEEN A DEVELOPMENT OF THAT KIND OR ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT LASTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNLESS SOMEBODY WAS BUILDING A FACTORY OR A CALL CENTER WHERE THERE WERE ALL THOSE JOBS THERE ARE GOING TO BE FEW JOBS AT A GOLF COURSE AND THEY'RE NOT TO PAY MUCH. PLEASE DO NOT RECOMMEND REMOVAL OF THE CULTURAL THERE WILL BE NO END TO IT. THERE WILL BE NO END TO IT. THE LAND WE HAVE CULTURALLY AND 
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ECOLOGICALLY IS PRECIOUS AND IT'S ATTRACTIVE AND PEOPLE WANT IT AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THOSE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR. PLEASE RECOMMEND MAINTENANCE OF THIS I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT PERFECT BUT I'D RATHER HAVE 145 HOUSES THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE COULD LIVE IN AND THAT'S ELITIST A KILLING. THANK YOU. 
          WELL ROBERT ROBERT SAMPLE AND THEN STROUD ARMSTRONG. ROBERT SAMPLE ARE THICKEST MOST GALACTIC OAK ARE YOU STROUD ARMSTRONG STROUD ARMSTRONG ALL RIGHT SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. IT'S A PLEASURE TO SPEAK WITH AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS. 
          UNFORTUNATELY WE ALL HAVE TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE OF ONE ARROGANT CARPETBAGGER COMING INTO TOWN AND WASTING ALL OF OUR TO HAVE TO STAND UP AND EXPLAIN. 
          PLEASE TALK TO US. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AND WE ALL STAND BEHIND MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE OVER 25 YEARS. WELL, THEY'RE ALL DEAD NOW. I CAME BACK TO TAKE OVER THE FAMILY PLACE AND BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY ON SAINT HELENA. 
          I RESPECT IT AND I KNOW ABOUT THE CPO. I LIVE IT. 
          I FOLLOW ITS ORDINANCE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES ON SAINT HELENA AND THEN ONE GUY COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO SAY THAT LAW DOESN'T APPLY TO ME. 
          I'M GOING TO COME IN HERE AND TAKE THIS 500 ACRES AND I'LL DO WHAT I PLEASE WITH IT. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST OF YOU AND ACTING LIKE I'M SORRY. 
          LOOK WHEN IN ACTING LIKE IT HAS NO EFFECT ON THE REST OF US AND YOU WANT TO SAY OH CARVE OUT PINE ISLAND THAT WASN'T OWNED BY GULLAH PEOPLE SO WE SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE CPO AS THOUGH YOU CAN START GOING AROUND SAYING. WELL MY FAMILY OWNS FIVE ACRES ON ME NOW NEXT A GOAT CEMETERY. MY NEIGHBOR OWNS 13 AND A HALF ACRES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SO MAYBE WE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE CPO TOO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GULLAH, RIGHT? WE CAME IN AND BOUGHT AN OLD OYSTER FACTORY CONVERTED INTO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOU TALK ABOUT JOBS COMING IN. HOW MANY LOCALS ARE GOING TO BE HIRED FOR THIS WORK PAID $80,000 A YEAR. HOW MANY LOCALS WERE FOR THAT CALL AND PAID A HIGH SALARY AND EVEN TODAY MAYBE FROM SAINT HELENA? NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND GOING IN. YOU'RE TALKING 70 MORE CARS AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I'M SPEAKING VERY QUICKLY SO AND PLUS I'M NERVOUS AND ANXIOUS AND TIRED BUT I JUST DO A QUICK MATH LOOKING ON GOOGLE EARTH TWO AND THAT ISLAND PINE ISLAND, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 123 ACRES. RIGHT. AND IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY FOUR THAT'S 41 HOUSES. SO HE'S ACTUALLY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT ISLAND REGARDLESS OF THE GOLF COURSE NOT SO THAT ISLAND'S STILL HEAVILY ENCUMBERED. 
          RIGHT. AND THE ONLY ISLAND I SAW THERE THAT WAS CUT OUT FROM THE CPA WAS MORGAN ISLAND AND GUESS I'LL GO. YOU KNOW THE WHITE FOLKS WHO GO TO LIVING OUT THERE AND AND THE POINT OF LIKE YOU START CUTTING LITTLE PARCELS OF LAND AND SAY AND THIS IS EXEMPT, THIS IS EXEMPT, THIS IS EXEMPT AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE SHOTGUN PATCH WORK, NO CONNECTION NO COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER. RIGHT. 
          AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO BUILD A BRIDGE FROM FROM EDISTO OVER TO MORGAN ISLAND AND COME OVER TO PINE ISLAND SO THEY DON'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON SEA? ELEANOR NO, THEY'RE COMING RIGHT THROUGH SAINT HELENA. ALL THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE COMING AND GOING AND YOU'RE 300 WORKERS OR SOMETHING IN THE BEGINNING TO DO CONSTRUCTION. WELL THAT'S ALL CONSTRUCTION WORKERS COMING IN AND GOING AND ALL THE TRUCKS AND BY THE WAY, WAS THERE KNOW YOU SAY NO RUNOFF AND IT'S ALL GOING INTO THE GROUND THAT WON'T AFFECT ANYBODY. 
          BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVING ON SAINT HELENA LIVE OFF OF THE GROUNDWATER ITSELF? I HAVE A WELL I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD WILL MY WILL BE IMPACTED OTHER NEIGHBORS WILL BE IMPACTED IN EXACTLY TO THE POINT TO WHEN THIS STARTS WHAT'S GOING TO STOP IT FROM BEING THE NEXT LITTLE PATCH AND EVERY LITTLE PROPERTY THAT CAN BE PICKED UP ALL THAT FARMLAND COULD JUST GO RIGHT UP THE GOLF COURSES AGAIN AND BE GATED COMMUNITIES AND IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT THAT'S EROSION. I MEAN YOU WATCH THE GLACIERS ERODING BIT BY BIT JUST, LITTLE BIT BY BIT AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND I'LL SEE HOW A LITTLE AT A TIME WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE DOING. THANK YOU. 
          AND WHY DON'T WE LOOK ABOUT PRESERVING SOME WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M TOLD THAT AT 930 JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES THE LIGHTS ARE GOING TO CUT OFF. SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A RECESS AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO RESET THE LIGHTS AND BRING THEM ON, YOU CAN CONTINUE THE MEETING, TAKE A HAVE A VOTE. WE TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS OR HOWEVER TO GET THE LIGHTS BACK ON. YES. SO I'VE HAVE A COMMOTION. 
          CAN SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION FOR A RECESS OR CAN WE TAKE A RECESS SECOND? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. ALL RIGHT WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND TAKE CARE OF THE LIGHTS. THANK YOU THEIR NOTES ELAINA SCOTT AND 
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BARBARA CHILD ELENA SCOTT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          QUIET, QUIET DOWN PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. I DO HAVE THE GRACE OF A SHOW. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON SAINT HELENA WITH OUR CPO AFTER WE PREVENTED A FIVE LANE ACROSS OUR ISLAND WE REALIZED THAT OUR ISLAND WAS IN DANGER BY UNFETTERED GROWTH. WE KNEW THAT WAS NECESSARY TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE OUR OPEN SPACE, OUR FARMING AND THE WAY OF LIFE THAT WE CHERISHED. 
          THIS BEGAN OUR WORK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HELD THE LINE ON OPEN SPACE AND SENSE OF PLACE. THE SECOND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMES ALONG. 
          WE TOOK ANOTHER ACTIVE PART IN THAT AND WE EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE PUT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON LADY'S ISLAND AND WE ALSO KNEW THAT WE WOULD NOT PERMIT CLOSED GATE COMMUNITIES GOLF COURSES OUR FRANCHISE BUSINESSES ON SAINT HELENA AND WE ALSO INCLUDED OUR VERY SPECIAL FAMILY COMPOUND DESIGNATION THAT IS ON THE GULLAH TRADITION OF FAMILIES LIVING TOGETHER ON SMALL PARCELS WHILE KEEPING THE LARGE PARCELS AVAILABLE FOR FARMING AND OTHER TRADITIONAL ISLAND LIFEWAYS. 
          WE DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROTECT SAINT HELENA UNTIL WE WERE UNDERMINED BY A CRIMINAL COUNTY ATTORNEY NAMED ERIC GREENAWAY. SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A COUNTY EMPLOYEE WHO HAD THE DUTY TO ENFORCE OUR BUT WHO FELL IN LOVE WITH THE DEVELOPER HAVING. MA'AM. MA'AM, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN IF YOU GREAT WILL PLEASE STOP AND PLEASE BEAR WITH HIS BEAUTIFUL MA'AM. 
          AS HE POSTED IT ON FACEBOOK. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM. THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN? NOT UNLESS YOU STOP BEING DISRESPECTFUL THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          NOT HERE, PLEASE OR ANYWHERE. ANYWHERE OH, OKAY. I'LL STOP DOING THIS RIGHT. 
          JUST TO STATE YOUR CASE. FORMER COUNTY CRIMINAL EMPLOYEE DO YOU NEED A BRAIN SURGEON TO KNOW HOW THESE PEOPLE OPERATE? THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OR CARE ABOUT GARLIC EATING CULTURE WHICH HAS BEEN INVISIBLE TO EVERYBODY UNTIL WE TOOK A STAND. AND FOR THOSE WHO DO UNDERSTAND, THEY NEED TO BE TOLD THAT ONCE DOOR IS OPEN FOR LBO THERE WILL BE A PRECEDENCE SET THAT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER WILL TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. THE SUPPORTERS OF LBO DO NOT THAT DEATH KNELL OF DEVELOPMENT . IF THEY WANT JOBS THEY NEED TO GO FIND SOME JOBS. 
          THERE IS NO MONEY IN SERVICE TO THE UBER WEALTHY NOW? ST HELENA ISLAND 1971 YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR HISTORY. THE LARGEST BLACK LAND OWNERSHIP OWNERSHIP CULTURE. 
          THE ISLAND OF ST HELENA IS SACRED GROUND. WHY DO YOU THINK WE WORK SO HARD ON CEMETERIES AND BURIAL SITES? BECAUSE OVER 8000 SOULS FORMERLY ENSLAVED ARE BURIED ON OUR. BUT MA'AM, YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. WOULD YOU PLEASE CLOSE? I AM SO INSULTED THAT THAT MAN GOT TO SPEAK FOR HOURS AND WE DON'T GET BARBARA CHILDS SHE HERE OR OH BOOK. 
          SHE'S A FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER. AND WE GET TO THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. THAT ENDS THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. 
          I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP TO DAIS THAT WAS THERE ARE NO MORE TO HER. 
          I GET THE ONES THAT I RECEIVED. I'VE SPOKEN TO DINAH'S GET TO TALK NOW. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT GIVES BRING BRINGING THIS PIECE UP TO THE YOU HAVE ONE MORE VOICE AND THERE'S MIL OF SAINT HELENA ISLAND. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING AND HEARING US OUT. ARE YOU GOING TO UNDERMINE THE COURT SYSTEM THAT HAVE WE HAVE GONE BEFORE ALREADY? WE WILL NOT BE BULLIED BY THIS SYSTEM. 
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HEY WHERE YOU BUY PEOPLE AND LOOK FOR WAYS TO GET THEM OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THE CALLING THIS COMMUNITY IS SACRED SPACE OWNED BY PEOPLE FROM THE GALA COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CAN'T COME IN WITH A RECREATION CENTER THAT IS NOT A GOOD AND YOU UNDERMINE YOUR CLUB WHO ALREADY A PLAN FOR A RECREATION CENTER. DO YOUR RESEARCH THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN WITH GREEN SHIRTS. I THINK THAT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT FROM SAINT HELENA AND SOME OF THEM I TO COURT WITH TO HELP THEM SAVE THEIR LAND. THEY DIDN'T COME HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. 
          I JUST WANT TO GET IT PUT ON RECORD. THESE CHILDREN. 
          WHERE ARE YOUR PARENTS THAT THAT CAME OUT HERE TONIGHT? LBO WE DON'T WANT TO BUY IN US WE DO NOT WANT TO BE LIKE HILTON HEAD ISLAND UPHOLD THE CPO RESPECT WHAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS DONE SO FAR PLEASE IS SACRED TO US IT MEANS A LOT WE ARE FIGHTING TO YES GOING IT THREE AND FOUR YEARS WE DON'T DESERVE WE ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS TO STAY ON OUR LAND, TO HAVE OUR OCEANS CLOSED CONSERVATION LEAGUE AND EVERY OTHER AGENCY CHECK OUT THE RESEARCH LOOK BACK OVER SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT THIS IS HARMFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT YES WE HAVE LESS FISHERMEN NOW AND PEOPLE WORKING IN OCEANS. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE DESTROYING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITY. I STILL WANT TO EAT FISH OYSTERS AND SHRIMP AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I CAME UP PLEASE LISTEN TO US RESPECT US AND STOP TRYING TO BUY US IT'S TOO MUCH CHANCE PLEASE MET POLICE DEAL IT'S NOT A FIT ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KRISTEN ARE WE FINISHED? KRISTEN BARRETT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE MADE IT THROUGH THAT PHASE. WE'RE BACK UP AT THE DAIS HERE. 
          OH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UNDER THE UNDER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE NOW THAT THE PUBLIC HAS SPOKEN UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RULES OF PROCEDURE, THE APPLICANT IS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO REPLY THAT'S UNDER YOU. THIS IS NOT AN APPEAL PROCESS. 
          THIS IS IT'S UNDER YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR ALL ALL HEARINGS BEFORE YOU I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IT IS AN AND IT'S GIVEN A JUST AIM I THINK YOU CAN LIMITED IN TIME AS WELL BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT THAT THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THAT RIGHT BRIAN ALL RIGHT. 
          I DID. I JUST PULLED THEM OUT JUST TO MAKE SURE IF YOU CARE TO SAY ANYTHING FURTHER EVERYTHING WE JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT AND THE OBJECTIVES THE GOALS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHICH IS TO ADVISE COUNCIL ALL MATTERS RELATING TO THE PREPARATION FOR THE TO ADVISE COUNCILS THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE WAYS TO OVERCOME COLLECTIVE PROBLEMS. SO WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT WE'VE OFFERED A PLAN AND THERE IS A CHOICE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. SO I WOULD CLOSE BY SAYING THAT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL CONTINGENT UPON THE ITEMS LISTED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AGREEMENT BEING AGREED TO BY COUNTY COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          HEY WE'RE UP UP HERE AT THE DESK THAT ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AMONG AND YOU SAID I'M SORRY ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MAKE AMONG OURSELVES BEFORE WE ASK FOR A MOTION? NO, NO. 
          ALL RIGHT THEN I WILL LIKE TO HAVE A ON THIS ISSUE. WELL, I WAS READY TO JUMP IN AT LEAST WITH A COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, GO AHEAD GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT. I GUESS MY FIRST COMMENT IS I WANT ACKNOWLEDGE AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT OF FOLKS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEBATE FOR YOUR FORTITUDE AND BEING HERE TONIGHT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND JUST THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE WITH US REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU SIT ON THIS DEBATE, YOU ALL DESERVE TO PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK FOR HANGING IN THERE AND BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
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THE COMMENT I GUESS THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE HAD TO DO WITH THE CPO IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN AROUND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE 1999. 
          SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A NEW CONCEPT AND NOT IN MY OPINION AN OUTDATED CONCEPT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NUMBER OF TIMES WHERE THIS HAS COME BACK UP AND HAS BEEN AND EVEN STRENGTHENED THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS. THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR I'M SAINT HELENA THE TWO RURAL IS THE ZONING FOR MOST OF THE ENTIRE ISLAND SO IT'S THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT FOR THREE ACRES WHICH IS CERTAINLY A MUCH MORE PATTERN THAN WE HEAR ABOUT A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN BLUFFTON AND IN OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THOSE SUBDIVISIONS ARE CLOSER TO A TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION OF ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT FOR A QUARTER OF ANY OCCUR. 
          SO AGAIN IN MY VIEW ONE HOME FOR THREE ACRES IS NOT A VERY DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HUNDRED AND 49 HOUSES OVER OVER 400 ACRES THAT STILL I'M NOT VERY DENSE IN MY OPINION. SO OUR JOB AS A PLANNING IS TO LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING AND TO ESSENTIALLY UPHOLD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS I'M THE CPO IS SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS THE UNDERLYING ZONING. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE A JUSTIFICATION FOR ELIMINATING THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM THE AND OTHER COMMENTS. MR. ROSS THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS I'VE GONE THROUGH THE IT SEEMS LIKE MOUNTAINS OF PAPERWORK AND IT HASN'T JUST BEEN FOR THIS APPLICATION WAS FOR THE APPEALS AND FOR THE PRIOR APPLICATIONS AND I'VE ONE THING JUST KEEPS COMING BACK TO MINE AND ONE THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE DEVELOPER WAS THE THE THE DOMINO EFFECT AND I LOOKED AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT WAY IF WE IF WE GET THIS CARVE OUT OF THE CPO, THAT'S WHERE THE DOMINO EFFECT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE IT WILL SET A PRECEDENT AS MANY FOLKS HAVE SAID TO WHERE WELL HE GOT IT. 
          WHY CAN'T WE AND THEN WE'LL BE THROUGH ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS OF OF PUBLIC HEARINGS AND DISCUSSIONS AND PAPERWORK AND WORK BY THE STAFF TO GET THIS STOPPED. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD AND THIS IS PURELY JUST FOR ME THE DEVELOPER HAS TALKED HIS IS HIS WANTING TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND MAKE THE COMMUNITY PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPER THINKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES HIS HEAD. 
          BUT THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND IS IS THAT IF A DEVELOPER REALLY HAD THE COMMUNITY AND HE LOOKED AT THIS 400 SOME ODD ACRES 500 ACRES AND SAID WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY I WANT TO BUILD 50 OR 70 HOUSES. 
          I WANT TO BUILD A RECREATION CENTER. I WANT TO BUILD A SWEETGRASS FARM AND I ALSO WANT TO HAVE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT FOR THE REST OF THAT ACREAGE IN HONOR OF THE GULF GEECHEE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THEM WHAT A GOOD NEIGHBOR I AM. 
          THAT WAS JUST ME OF WHAT I THOUGHT. IT DOESN'T PLAY INTO ANY OF THE RULES OR ANYTHING THAT COMES AS FAR AS THE CDC OR THE CPO BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS MY GUT INSTINCT MY GUT FEELING THAT CAME OUT ABOUT IT THE WAY THE WAS WRITTEN IT FOR ME IT'S TWOFOLD. ONE IS TO PROTECT A HISTORY THAT'S GOING AWAY AND ONCE IT GOES AWAY IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. YOU CAN READ IT IN BOOKS, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT BUT IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, GO TO THE CHAPEL OF EASE, GO TO SOME OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT NORTHERN COUNTY AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE GULLAH COMMUNITY. GO TO THE BRICK CHURCH ACROSS FROM THE PEN CENTER. 
          I MEAN THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO START AWAY TO WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LEFT. 
          THE CULTURAL PROTECTION IS THERE FOR A REASON AND IT'S TO PROTECT A THAT IS JUST BEING EATEN UP EVERY DAY EVERY DAY. I FOR ONE I CAN'T IN MY HEART OF HEARTS I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS 
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. THANK YOU, MS.. ROSS. 
          OTHER I HAVE SOME COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE. MY COMMISSION HAS A SET OF INDEPENDENT STANDARDS BY WHICH WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN A COMPREHENSIVE IN THEIR MAKE UP OF NINE DIFFERENT REVIEW STANDARDS. 
          AND BY MY COUNT MOST OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE MET IN THE APPLICATION AS OUTLINED BY THE STAFF. SO RATHER THAN MAKE MY DECISION ON THE BASIS OF AN OPINION, I'M GOING TO THOSE. THE ZONING MAP IN MY MAP AMENDMENT REQUESTS IN MY OPINION DOES MEET DOESN'T MEET MOST OF THOSE STANDARDS AND THEY'RE OUTLINED IN THAT AS I SAY IN THE STAFF'S REPORT. FURTHER, THE CPO AS WE'VE ALL KNOW STATED DECIDED AND CODIFIED IN 1995 AND YET AGAIN REINFORCED REINTRODUCED THE GUIDANCE IN THE 2020 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BY THE CPO COMMITTEE ON MAY EIGHT, 2023 AND AMENDING TO GIVE GREATER EMPHASIS ON THE THREATS TO SAINT HELENA AND ITS NATURAL CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT WAS APPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL AND AGAIN AS OUTLINED IN TONIGHT'S STAFF REPORT IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT CHANGING THE CPO BOUNDARIES BUT RATHER SUPPORTS EXISTING CPO BOUNDARIES. 
          THOSE REASONS NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING A PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT OF THE CPO. 
          THAT'S MY COMMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE THE END OF IT. IF THE APPLICANT DOES IT WE IF WE GO WITH A DENIAL THE APPLICANT WILL PROBABLY JUST TURN AROUND AND FILE ON OR THE LAWSUIT AGAIN. 
          BUT ON OTHER HAND I YOU KNOW, TO GO AGAINST 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC POLICY DECISIONS AND MAKING AND ALL THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS EITHER. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE ON THE DAIS BETWEEN HILL DAN JUST WE JUST. HI DAN. IN ALL MY YEARS OF BEING IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS I DON'T THINK I'VE AS FINE A PRESENTATION AS THE ONE THAT WAS MADE BY THE DEVELOPERS TONIGHT. SO WITH ALL THAT SAID THE PASSION AND THE LOVE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN IN THIS ROOM FOR THEIR WAY OF LIFE, FOR THEIR TRADITIONS I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'D TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REZONING REQUEST FOR 437 ACRES OF OUR 300 ZERO ONE TO TRIPLE 0254 QUADS ZERO R 300 ZERO ONE TO TRIPLE 0255 QUADS ZERO R 300 ZERO ONE TO 0000001 QUADS ZERO R 300 0073 ZEROS 0002 QUADS ZERO AND R 300 0110000275 QUADS ZERO LOCATED AT 288 TULLAMORE CAN NEVER SAY THAT THE ALAMO ROAD TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CULTURAL PROTECTION OVERLAY BOUNDARY FOR SECOND AND SECOND WE HAVE SECOND ALTHOUGH ZONE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION DENIAL. RAISE YOUR HAND LIST YOUR CRITERIAS I TO UNANIMOUS NO DENIAL OF THE MOTION THAT THE LAND APPLICATION MEASURES IS WORKING. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DO HAVE ONE MATTER. 
          IT'S UNFINISHED BUSINESS. IF YOU RECALL FROM EARLIER APPLICATION THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONS THAT WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
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THAT WAS ULTIMATELY THAT ULTIMATELY FAILED FOR LACK OF A . 
          YOUR YOUR ROLE IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. SO ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AFFIRMATIVE DENIAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS APPROVAL. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING BASED OFF THE CONTEXT OF THAT FIRST APPLICATION AND WHAT WAS SAID IS THAT IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO DENY THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THAT. THAT WAS THE PULTE HOMES APPLICATION ON JENNINGS ROAD. 
          SO I THINK THAT THE IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF CLOSE THAT LITTLE LOOP FOR US, I THINK THAT'S LAST ITEM WE PROBABLY HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A DENIAL OF THE FIRST APPLICATION. COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT MR. LA BRUCE JUST SAID BUT BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO THAT TO FINISH THAT ONE UP. I JUST NEED GUIDANCE FROM THE COMMISSION AS FAR AS THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE GOING USE TO RECOMMEND COUNSEL DENY THE MOTION THAT YOU JUST MADE, IS IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL THE CRITERIA LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT? IT OUT OF JUST A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE CRITERIA. 
          I JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE COUNSEL TO GIVE THEM UH DEFINITION AS TO WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON THOSE NINE DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND AGAIN SO I TOOK NOTES HERE BASED OFF OF WHAT I HEARD. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE IMPLICIT IT WASN'T CLEARLY BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CRITERIA ONE FIVE AND SIX OF YOUR NINE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING PROPOSED USES SURROUNDING THE LAND SUBJECT TO THE APPLICATION AND IS THE APPROPRIATE USES FOR THE LAND AND FINALLY WOULD NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT LANDS. THOSE WERE THE MAIN THINGS THAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION BUT I DO AGREE WITH MR. HULBERT IF I MEAN THAT IS YOUR THAT IS YOUR OBLIGATION IS TO CONFIRM AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL THE CRITERIA ARE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BASE YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. CAN I HAVE THAT WHICH I THINK TRYING I'LL BRING IT OVER THERE . I DON'T RECALL STATING THAT WAS CLARIFYING AND PUT IT IN LANGUAGE AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE NEED TO PUT IT IN. 
          NO I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T IF YOU READ THE PINE ISLAND HISTORY LIKE I'LL GO TO THE PODIUM JUST THIS CLEAR. ALL RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. 
          THIS IS ONLY MY MY SECOND TIME WITH Y'ALL AND WHAT THREE OR FOUR YEARS? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE WITH A NEW BODY AND A NEW A NEW BOARD, BUT YOU'RE OBLIGATED EVEN AS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AS TO THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES YOU HAVE NINE DIFFERENT CRITERIA UNDER WHICH YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO EVALUATE THE ZONING MAP THIS PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT THOSE NINE CRITERIA ARE SET FORTH IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE THEY INCLUDE THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT HERE FROM ADDRESSES A COMMUNITY DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY NEED IS REQUIRED BY CHANGING CONDITIONS BUT THEY ARE ALL OUTLINED THERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND FOR THE BENEFIT A CLEAN RECORD SOUTH CAROLINA LAW DOES REQUIRE YOU TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS AS A COHESIVE SO WHEN YOU VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY YOU NEED TO VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY BASED ON WHICH OF THOSE CRITERIA THIS AMENDMENT FAILED TO MEET. IF WE STATED I THINK I BELIEVE WE STATED MOST OF WHAT WE FELT WERE THE BASIC STANDARDS THAT WERE NOT MET. AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND ZONING MAP REVIEW STANDARDS. YEAH AND I THINK WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS REQUESTED IS THAT IT BE EXPLICIT AND NOT JUST IN REFERENCE TO WHICH PARTS BUT ACTUALLY MAKE IN AN EMOTIONAL SUBSEQUENT MOTION THAT THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENIAL IS BASED ON THE FAILURE TO MEET CRITERIA AS SET FORTH YOU KNOW CRITERIA ONE, FIVE AND SIX THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I HEARD FROM Y'ALL DISCUSSION DISCUSSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. HANG ON WITH US FOR A MINUTE. RIGHT. 
          I THINK ONE PLACE WELL, I HAD MORE THAN A YEAH. AND THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST. NO, SIR. THIS IS ABOUT PINE ISLAND. 
          RIGHT NOW WE AND I'M SORRY WE GOT WE GOT OFF TRACK THERE. THIS IS ABOUT PINE ISLAND. 
          ABOUT WHAT CRITERIA ARE FOR THE BASIS FOR DENIAL WHICH OF THE CRITERIA IT FAILED TO MEET ALL 
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OF THE THE STANDARD. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO OUTLINE THE CRITERIA AGAIN YOU BUT IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE THERE ON THE STAFF REPORT YES I HAD I HAD CONFLICT WITH THREE FOR 695I THOUGHT YOU SAID FIVE BUT AND ONE AND ONE AND THREE. YEAH WELL IT'S EIGHT OUT OF THE NINE. MR. ROSS MADE THE MOTION O WHATEVER HE BASED HIS MOTION ON . 
          ALL RIGHT THAT SHOULD BE SECONDED AND THEN VOTED. THANK YOU. 
          SO DO I NEED TO OR DO I NEED TO STATE THE REASONINGS? WHY IF YOU WOULD JUST GO THROUGH THE NUMBERS OUT OF ONE THROUGH NINE THAT YOU THINK ARE APPROPRIATE AS FAR AS WHY YOU RECOMMENDED YOU KNOW RIGHT. AND SOMEBODY TELL ME OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM? WELL, I THOUGHT DO I HAVE TO IT'S EASIER. YOU DID BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MOTION VERY WELL OR IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF REPORT . 
          YEAH, I THINK BASICALLY THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S I AGREE. I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION NOW I'VE GOT IT AND WE HAVE EVEN EVEN IF SO CAN WE SAY JUST SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE STAFF REPORT? WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT'S WHAT BASIS OF OUR DENIAL IS. 
          LET IT BE WRITTEN. LET IT SO BE SAID IT ALL RIGHT I SECOND AS I HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN REFERRING TO ALL THAT I HAVE I VOTE TO REAFFIRM ALL OF IT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR NONE OF US. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          AN ISSUE THAT MR. BRUCE FROM THE ATTORNEY YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE JUST WE. 
          YES, SIR. IN THE STATEMENT. I'M SORRY. 
          I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. I APOLOGIZE. I WOULD JUST IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ISSUE ON THAT PARTICULAR ON THE PINE ISLAND. NO, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO THANK YOU. STILL THE ONE OUTSTANDING. 
          LET'S GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE CAME ON. WE WANTED A AN AFFIRMATIVE RESPONSE TO A POLL DENIAL. YES, SIR. ON THE APPLICATION ON 98 JENNINGS ROAD. YES, SIR. SO JUST NEED TO HEAR A MOTION BUT I MAKE MOTION FOR RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 6.16 ACRES LOCATED AT 98 JENNINGS ROAD OR 100 0200026400 FROM TEE TO RURAL T TO OUR 2T3 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD TO 3 A.M. AND T FOR HAMLET CENTER T FOR EIGHT C UTILIZING THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY PTO GO. I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. RIGHT HERE. MORE CRITERIA. 
          WHAT? HANG ON. WHAT ARE THERE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS TO THINK THAT REPORT COULD SAY AND RECOMMEND IT IS AND AGAIN REMEMBER THE STAFF REPORT IN THIS ONE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS SO GOING TO HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE THE BASIS FOR WHY YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THE HOW AGAIN I CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT MOTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE SCRIPT AND AND AGAIN LOOKING AT THAT NOTE THE NOTES SO BASED ON THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT THAT YOU RECOMMEND NOW BASED OFF OF A FAILURE TO MEET CERTAIN ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REVIEW CRITERIA AND WHAT I HEARD AGAIN I'M NO I CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION SO HAVE TO TRY TO GAUGE IT OFF OF WHAT YOU ALL 
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SAY IS NOT REQUIRED BY IT WAS NOT REQUIRED BY A CHANGE IN CONDITIONS THAT WAS ONE YES IT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND PROPOSED USES SURROUNDING THE LAND SUBJECT TO THE APPLICATION AND WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEARBY LANDS. THAT WAS ANOTHER WOULD NOT RESULT OR EXCUSE ME WOULD RESULT IN A LOGICAL AND ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND IS CONSISTENT WITH AND FURTHERS THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PURPOSES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH I THINK WAS THE PRIMARY ONE ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITY ON THE LAND. THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT YOU WERE DONE FOR ITEM IN FACT YOU MADE ONE OF THOSE WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS IN GIVEN THE NUMBERS ON THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO REPEAT TO THOSE ARE CRITERIA NUMBER ONE FOR FIVE SEVEN LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AMENDING THE ORIGINAL MOTION FOR THE CRITERIA FOR ONE OR FIVE AND SEVEN RECOMMENDED. OKAY. 
          OKAY. IS IT MODIFIED? YEAH, AMENDED. 
          AND THAT MOTIVATED YOU TO DO ALL RIGHT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDED MOTION RAISE YOUR HAND TO A SIX AGAINST ONE FOR 12345777 FOR ONE AGAINST. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. SAID IT ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO MAKE IN BUSINESS? YOU WANT TO FINISH SO WHEN WE FINISHED ALL RIGHT WITHOUT
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.