[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] AND GET STARTED WOULD YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICAN STANDS BY NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL YOU FOR YOU PUBLICATIONS HAVE BEEN TWO [4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – February 3, 2025 Workshop and Regular] MINUTE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 3RD THE WORKSHOP AND THE REGULAR MEETING. I HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS AND OKAY WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FOR THE MEETINGS AND [5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA] ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS APPROVAL THE AGENDA NO OBJECTION. [6. CITIZEN COMMENTS – NON-AGENDA ITEMS] THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. OKAY. THIS IS THE PART OF THE MEETING FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS NON AGENDA ITEM. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF INSTRUCTIONS HERE JUST FOR INFORMATION. SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING I SUBMIT YOUR REQUEST SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAYER TO MY LEFT YOU WILL BE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND PLEASE TRY TO KEEP TO 3 MINUTES. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL RESPECTFULLY LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL THE PUBLIC FORUM THAT YOU'RE IN AT THE PODIUM PLEASE CLEARLY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS RECORDED AND THEREFORE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD AS DOES ALL CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS DIRECTED TO COUNTY OFFICIALS WE HAVE LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE MULTIPLE SPEAKERS PLEASE TRY TO AVOID REPEATING COMMENTS ALREADY OFFERED NOT TO RESTRICT YOUR DISCUSSION BUT IF WE'VE HEARD THEM. WILL WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE PLACE YOUR CELL PHONES ON SILENT MODE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO A CALLER PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE THE ROOM. AND JUST AS A REMINDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BODY TO COUNTY COUNCIL. AS SUCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ON ANY ISSUE GOES FORWARD TO COUNTY COUNCIL THROUGH THE NATURAL COMMITTEE AND TO COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND VOTING DETERMINATION. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS A STEP IN THE PROCESS AND VOTING DETERMINATION BY COUNTY. WITH THAT IN MIND WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA I HAVE ONCE MARK NOLAN SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE ONE THAT I'VE GOT SO MARK MR. KEVIN DUKES ON AGENDA ITEM NO MR. SULLIVAN ON AMENDMENT YOU GET TO SPEAK BEFORE WE GET TO THE AGENDA IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS IS THAT THIS IS THE TIME WHEN YOU THINK YEAH SO WE HAVE SOMEONE WANT TO SPEAK ON ON AND ON THE AGENDA ITEM IS YOU NEED TO SIGN UP THEN PLEASE . YES REDUCE NUMBER FIVE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MY NAME IS KEVIN DUKES. I'M IN A REAL ESTATE OF REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY WITH HARVEY ABADIE HERE IN BEAUFORT. WE'RE LOCATED DOWNTOWN AT 1001 CRAVEN STREET AND THIS MORNING I'M COMING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A NEW PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE DOWN ZONING OF A PROPERTY COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS PINE ISLAND. THIS PLAN WILL INVOLVE THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY ON THE DOWN ZONING OF 100 RESIDENTIAL UNITS PERMANENTLY WERE REMOVED AND WILL CREATE ECONOMIC IMPACTS AND INVESTMENTS INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AND BEAUFORT COUNTY AS A WHOLE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL ON MATTERS RELATING TO PREPARATION FOR THE FUTURE ORDERLY PLANNING FOR WISE CONSERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND PRESERVATION OF SCENIC BEAUTY, ENVIRONMENT OF THE LANDS WATERS OF THE COUNTY. THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADVOCATES FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH CREATING A VISION AND REGULATORY TOOLS IT NEEDS TO BALANCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESOURCE AND GROWTH IN THE FORM THAT CREATES QUALITY PLACES. THIS DOWN ZONING PLAN ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS OF RURAL AND CRITICAL GREENSPACE PROGRAMS AND THROUGH A MARKET BASED PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DELIVERS EVERYTHING THOSE INITIATIVES INITIATIVES TO ACHIEVE. IMPORTANTLY, WITHOUT SPENDING A SINGLE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. IN FACT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY AN INVESTMENT $3 MILLION INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ON SAINT HELENA FOR THE CREATION OF A COMMUNITY AND RECREATIONAL FACILITY SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN ADDITION TO THAT FACILITY WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A CONTINUING REVENUE [00:05:05] STREAM TO HELP FUND THAT AND ALSO THIS WILL END UP BEING OVER A $100 MILLION INVESTMENT INTO THE ISLAND, THE LARGEST EVER MADE AND WE'LL CREATE 35 TO 70 NEW JOBS AND WE'LL BE THE LARGEST EMPLOYER ON SAINT HELENA. IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER COUNTYWIDE BENEFITS. THE PRIMARY ONE THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IS A REDUCTION IN DENSITY SO THAT REMOVAL 100 HOMES FROM THE LANDSCAPE IS A REDUCTION OF 66% THAT RESULTS IN A 60% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND 360 ACRES OR 82% WILL BE PERMANENTLY PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE. ADDITIONALLY 90% OF PERMEABLE DOCKS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SHORELINES ALONG VILLAGE CREEK, EDDINGS CREEK AND MORGAN RIVER AND THAT'S 3000 30,000 LINEAR FEET OF OF SHORELINE. THE REMOVAL WELL IT WILL ALSO BE A REMOVAL OF OVER 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND ON 365 ACRES VERTICAL. STRUCTURES WILL BE REMOVED FROM WHAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL AT 50 OR 60 FEET BACK TO 150 FEET AND BOTH THOSE THINGS WILL HELP PRESERVE SCENIC VIEWS AND PREVENT RUNOFF INTO THE SURROUNDING WATERWAYS. I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE WHICH IS THAT I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE PLAN THAT I CAN HAND ALL OF TONIGHT . WE'VE WE'VE SET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE FILED THE APPLICATION AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND COUNCIL WHICH I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH ALREADY GIVEN THEM COPIES HAVE THE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE PUBLIC HAS THE PLAN AND FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND THAT'S IN AN EFFORT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND GET AS FAIR OF CONSIDERATION AS WE CAN AS WE GO THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH THE PLAN AND. SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. WE'VE ARRIVED HERE THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY THEY WANT AND YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THAT IN THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I PROVIDE YOU AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN VERY SPECIFIC TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS LOCALLY ON SAINT HELENA IN THE BROADER BEAUFORT COMMUNITY. FINALLY CLOSE BY SAYING THAT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT ONCE HAVE AND HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PLAN CONSIDER THE ALTERNATIVES AND MOST IMPORTANTLY JUST READ ACTUALLY IN IT. I THINK THAT ALL OF YOU AND I THINK THAT MOST FOLKS WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF COUNTY A WHOLE AND MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR SAINT HELENA. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME AND I'LL GIVE YOU COPIES OF THESE THESE MATERIALS THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD JUST HAND THEM OVER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OVER THE SIDELINE AND VERY IMPORTANT HAS THESE WEE VOLUMES BUT I'VE GOT HARDBOUND FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE LIST FOR NON AGENDA ITEM IS IS JOYCE. I'M HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS JOYCE GIBBS HAM. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE. MY AUNT SHE IS 96 YEARS OLD AND SHE IS NEED OF A HOME AND SHE HAS LION BUT TO HAVING TO GO THROUGH SO MUCH JUST TO PUT A MOBILE HOME ON HER LAND. AND THERE WAS EVEN AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME THERE BUT THEY SHE HAS TO MAKE SURE WATER THERE SHE HAS TO MAKE AND SHE HAS WATER BUT THEY WANT HER TO GET IT FROM THE COUNTY. THEY WANT HER TO DO ANOTHER DEED AT 96 YEARS OLD AND WE'RE NOT CORPORATE NATIONS WE CAN'T MEET THE SAME EXPECTATIONS THAT THE CORPORATIONS ARE BEING ASKED TO MEET AND SO IT'S UNFAIR THAT WE ARE HAVING TO GO THROUGH SO MUCH JUST TO USE OUR OWN LAND. AND SO OUR LOT OF OUR LAND GO UNDEVELOPED BECAUSE WE CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE SO MUCH HARDSHIP IS PUT ON US BEFORE WE CAN EVEN BEGIN TO USE OUR OWN LAND WE HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STANDARD AS A CORPORATION. THEY DON'T GIVE US THAT MUCH MONEY. YEAH. AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT IN REFERENCE TO CORPORATIONS I DO KNOW THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC THE GOVERNMENT GAVE OUT $500 TRILLION TO CORPORATIONS. THEY GAVE US 12 DON'T WE CAN'T MEET THE SAME EXPECTATIONS AS CORPORATIONS. THANK YOU, MS.. GIBBS. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PUBLIC [00:10:02] COMMENT REQUESTS. NONE OF THEM SEEM TO BEAR NONE. AGENDA ITEM BUT IF I'M MISTAKEN YOU CAN LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER NON AGENDA ITEMS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. HEARING NONE. WE'LL GO TO THE FIRST ACTION [7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 11 ACRES LOCATED ON BURNT CHURCH ROAD (R600 039 000 1552 0000, R600 039 000 0056 0000, R600 039 000 0269 0000) FROM T3 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD(T3HN) AND T4 HAMLET CENTER (T4HC) TO T3 NEIGHBORHOOD (T3N)] ITEM FOR THE EVENING CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 11 ACRES LOCATED ON BURKE CHURCH FROM T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD TO AND IN T FOR HAMLET CENTER D FOR H C 2 TO 3 NEIGHBORHOOD T AND THREE USED. MR. MERCHANT ARE YOU PRESENTING TO YOUR FAMILY, HUH? WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO BEFORE YOU IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND THIS IS LOCATED IN JUST A G ADJOINING THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON RIGHT ACROSS BURT CHURCH ROAD FROM M SEEMED M.C. RILEY ELEMENTARY. THIS IS AN 11 ACRE PARCEL WHICH CURRENTLY CONSISTS TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS WITH APPROXIMATELY 35 TO 40 UNITS IN THIS MOBILE HOME PARKS NOW WITH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS SPLIT ZONED SO THE FRONT PORTION ALONG BYRD CHURCH ROAD IS ZONED T FOR HAMLET CENTER. AS YOU CAN SEE THE DARKER PURPLE ON THAT MAP AND THEN THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS 73 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THEY HAVE YOU KNOW THEY'VE COME TO OUR DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THIS SITE. THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS NOT TO HAVE TO SEEK A REZONING BUT WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH TWO ISSUES ONE IS THAT IT SPLITS ZONES AND THEY WANT TO DO ONE SINGLE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE PROPERTY LINES HAVE MOVED SO THE EXISTING ZONING IS BASED ON A PROPERTY LINE THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. SO IT CREATES SOME UNUSUAL FEATURES ON THE PROPERTY. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A PORTION OF T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALMOST THE WIDTH OF A RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES DOWN THE BYRD CHURCH ROAD PART OF YOU KNOW THE OLD PROPERTY LINE THAT WE'RE ON THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS WHAT WE SEE IS IS BASICALLY ONE THE LAND ON THE ON BYRD ROAD AND DOWN ZONING THAT AND TAKING THE REAR PORTION AND ZONING IT. SO IN A WAY IT'S KIND OF A WASH SO THERE'S A DISTRICT BETWEEN T FOR HAMLET CENTER AND T THROUGH HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS T THREE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TO CHANGE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S IT'S ALL 170 DISTRICT. THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR INTENTION OF BUILDING 50 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW SO AS FAR AS STAFF'S REVIEW OF THIS YOU KNOW WE BELIEVE THAT THIS YOU KNOW THIS REALLY IS NOT AN UP ZONING IT'S MORE OF A CORRECTION A PROPERTY THAT WAS SPLIT SEVEN IT IS NO LONGER RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT PROPERTY LINES AND FOR THAT REASON WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE VISION OF THAT AREA AND WOULD NOT HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS AS FAR AS IT'S REPLACING EXISTING UNITS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TRIPS GENERATED SIGNIFICANT TO DEMAND A TRAFFIC IMPACTS ANALYSIS. SO THOSE REASONS YOU KNOW STAFFER RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THIS REZONING AND I CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND ALSO THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT WHO'S HERE AS WELL QUESTIONS FOR MR. MERCHANT YOU SAID THE LINE WAS CHANGED SOMETHING? YES. HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? I'M SURE THE HISTORY. YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT OLD PARCEL MAPS BECAUSE. I WAS STARTING TO WONDER WHETHER IT WAS A MAPPING ERROR BUT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY PROPERTY LINES THAT CORRESPONDED WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT THEY THEY MOVED AND SO NOW IT CREATES AN UNUSUAL SITUATION FOR SOMEBODY TRYING TO DEVELOP PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE BACKGROUND IN THAT OTHERS . YES. ROB, WHAT HAS BEEN THE BEAUFORT JASPER BORDER? WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS ADEQUATELY SERVED WITH WATER AND SEWER. [00:15:02] IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT NEXT TO OLD TOWN BLUFFTON. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM M.C. RILEY ELEMENTARY. THEIR OWN SUBJECT I THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT YEAH BUT THEY DO HAVE PROXIMITY PUBLIC SEWER. YEAH. I MEAN TWO TIMES THE APPLICATION APPEARS TO BE ON SEPTIC. I MEAN THEY ARE THEY ARE WELL ON SEPTIC BUT THE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT BEAUFORT USES A CAPACITY THEY CAN HOOK YOU UP TO BE DRY AND GET RID OF THE DRAIN FIELDS. I GUESS THAT WAS IN YES. YEAH. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDERING YOU KNOW THE OTHER ONE IS A MOBILE HOME PARK SO IT'S UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP. I'M EXACTLY SURE THE NATURE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL SEPTIC SYSTEM I MEAN IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME SO YOU KNOW, TO SUBDIVIDE THE WAY THEY'RE WANTING TO HERE IS DOUBTFUL THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT. I MEAN IT WOULD NEED PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER AND YOU SAID 30 TO 40 OF THESE UNITS ARE OCCUPIED AT THE MOMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER BUT IT IS SOMEWHERE IN THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THIS PLACEMENT WHERE THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO GO. YEAH, AND THAT IS A CONCERN. I MEAN THIS IS YOU KNOW SO IT'S IT'S A WASH AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS BUT IT IS YOU KNOW IT IS REMOVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE AREA KIND OF THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSING LADDER AND AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOTIFICATIONS AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT BEING NOTIFIED IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON NOTIFIED. YES, WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM. ANY INPUT FROM THE DID WE HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL? NO, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT ACTUALLY. RIGHT. I KNOW THOSE PUZZLE FIRE STATION RIGHT NEXT DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE AND BLUFFTON RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY. NO COMMENT FROM THEM. YES, JOHN. ROB, DID I READ IN THIS STAFF REPORT THAT THE EXISTING USE IS NON-CONFORMING. AND IF SO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF LIMITATIONS OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE ANY TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS SO MOBILE HOME PARKS WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU KNOW BEING UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP YOU KNOW WITH WITH INDIVIDUAL SITES BEING YOU KNOW, LEASED OUT TO MOBILE HOMES THAT PARTICULAR USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS BUT THAT THESE MOBILE HOME PARKS CONTINUE INTO THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THEY JUST KNOW THEY COULD ONLY EXPAND 15%. THEY'RE MUCH YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS FULLY UTILIZED SINCE IS. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. MERCHANT? OKAY. I GUESS THAT'S I WANT TO HEAR NEXT FROM THE APPLICANT. IS THAT MR. KLOSTERMAN? HEY, I'M ANDY KLOSTERMAN WITH DAVIDSON POINT ENGINEERING. AND BEFORE I THINK ROB EXPLAINED THE ZONING CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED BETTER THAN I CAN, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IT IS WE ARE SUBMITTING BEFORE JUST WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT IT ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER I DID SAY APPEARS I HAVEN'T PUT MY EYES ON THE SUBJECT THINGS BUT I KNOW THEY'RE NOT ON ME FOR JASPER IT MIGHT BE A DRAIN FIELD SPRAY FIELD SOMETHING THOSE LINES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SITE? HAPPY TO ANSWER YOU WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE? OH THAT'S ALL WE ARE. WE RESEARCHED IT AND THIS IS ALL OLD VAULT LINES, RIGHT? I IT WAS WAY BEFORE THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE CAME INTO PLACE. I THINK JUST IT WAS MISSED. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT IT WOULD HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTIES TODAY AND IT'S I THINK THERE'S 40 THERE'S SOME AREAS WE COULDN'T GET TO TO TO CONFIRM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE OCCUPIED I CAN ANSWER THAT THERE AND THERE ARE THREE SEPARATE LIGHT OWNERS TODAY BUT THERE'S NOT JUST ONE THAT OWNS ALL THREE SO THAT'S BEEN CHALLENGING TO EVERYBODY THERE AS WELL ON BOARD AS MY UNDERSTANDING THE PROPERTY'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. I'M NOT SURE I'M JUST AN ENGINEER. THE DEVELOPER THAT WE DID I READ THAT THERE IS NO NEED FOR NEW INTERNAL ROADS WHAT KIND? JUST INTERNAL SUBDIVISION ROADS I THINK WE ALL GIVEN THIS SHEET IN THE BACK THAT'S THE THE CURRENT PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING TO PERMIT SO NO MAJOR ACCESS ROADS. ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS BY THE DEVELOPER THAT YOU JUST POINTED OUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE I MEAN BASICALLY THEIR HOMES YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUSHED [00:20:02] THIS THEY'RE MOBILE OR IN MANY CASES I CAN'T ANSWER THAT I WOULD HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT THEY'VE WORKED OUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER THAT'S PURCHASING BUT . I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. OKAY. I WAS INTERESTED IN ONE OTHER ISSUE. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WASN'T IN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING SINCE THAT'S MAJOR ARTERY OFF OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND TO 78 AND IT'S GOT A SCHOOL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND FIRE STATION TO THE ONE BLOCK OVER. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT HOW THAT TERMINATION CAME ABOUT? YES, I'M FOR THE TRAFFIC THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND HAS NOT NECESSARILY PERFORMED IN ONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. BASICALLY THE SITE GENERATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRIPS TO DATE AND THE THE NEW OR PROPOSED SITE IS GOING TO BE IN THAT MUCH MORE THAN WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE TODAY. SO WHEN WE HAVE INSTANCES LIKE THAT WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NET NEW TRIPS ISN'T GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE THEN A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SO IT THAT JUST KIND OF LIKE STAMP IN THE DARK OR NO NO NO I DIDN'T MADE A JUDGMENT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO ONE WELL WELL WHAT WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THERE THERE TODAY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND OUR ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT A 52 HOUR AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO WHEN THERE IS A EXPANSION OR SITE WHERE WE PLAN ON DOING MORE THAN WHAT WE THINK WE WANT TO DO. WE ACTUALLY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AS WELL AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE WE WE LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL. OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU KNOW OFFHAND WITH THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICES FOR BUDGET NO ,NOT ALL OF THE THEY'RE EVEN SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE AS WELL TO DETERMINE THE LEVELS OF WELL WELL I MEAN I'VE DRIVEN BY THERE A FEW TIMES AND A FEW OTHER ABOUT HAD DRIVEN BY THERE A FEW TIMES AND WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL SITE AS WELL SO THE SITE INSIDE THE SITE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION HERE DO WE HAVE WE SURVEYED THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S WHAT WE CARE ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE ON WHETHER OR NOT I'M NOT SURE YEAH. YEAH OKAY IF THERE WERE 50% OCCUPIED OR 100% THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN TRAFFIC WHAT IS. THANK YOU AGAIN A COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME AROUND ON THIS ISSUE YOU SHOULD HAVE ON THIS WILLIAM SMITH YES COME UP. GOOD AFTERNOON I DON'T ABOUT WHEN YOU MAKE MENTION OF WHAT YOU MAY MAKE IT OUT JUST NOW I'M ACTUALLY I'M I AM ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING THIS EXACTLY AND I'M I WON'T SAY WE HAVE BUT THIS DOESN'T RING ANY BELLS WHEN YOU SAID THAT STUDY WAS THINKING THE SAME THING OF WHY WHY WE HAD A STUDY AND WE HAVE AREAS THAT THE DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS ARE GOING UP AND THEY ARE GOING TO AFFECT THE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOLS AND I WAS WONDERING THE SAME THING. SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS EMERGENCY THAT THEY'VE GOT CONTACT BUT APPARENTLY THEY HADN'T GOT A CONTACT WITH SCHOOL BOARD AND THAT TOO NOT TO MY RECOLLECTION AND IF I DID THEN I DO APOLOGIZE BUT I REMEMBER THIS COMING COMING TO US AND IN TERMS OF INTERNET TERMS OF EXPRESSING NOT NOT NOT NOT HAVING A STUDY BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PARTIES THAT WE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW WHERE WHEN WE'RE IN TALKS ABOUT, HAVING STUDIES AND YOU KNOW SO WE'RE TRYING TO SEE IF WE NEED STUDIES. SO I'M I'M A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BY THAT. I'M NOT SURE BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY A DID THIS THIS JUST THIS IS A SURPRISE AND I THINK THAT WHAT YOU SAID MAY IT MAY MAY NEED THAT AND I THINK THAT WE MAY NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IF WE HAVE NOT HAD IT YET. THANK YOU, SIR. I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING US AND THAT'S WHAT TALKING WITH THE COUNTY COUNCIL NOW ABOUT HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. SO WHEN THEY LET US DO COME UP THAT WE ARE AWARE AND SO THAT WE CAN WORK TO THEM BECAUSE WHEN YOU JUST GO BELOW SCHOOL DIFFERENT PLACES WHEN YOU BUILD THEM YOU WANT TO HAVE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THANK YOU IT'S THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICH JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I KIND OF YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY REACH OUT TO CAROL CRUTCHFIELD AND ROBERT NODDING THEIR DEPARTMENT WHEN WE DO A REZONING AND WE DID REACH OUT TO ROBERT AUDIE. HE DIDN'T RESPOND SO WE HAVEN'T TRIED CAN YOU SPEAK COOKIES IF ONLY SO PUBLICLY THAT WE [00:25:06] REACHED OUT TO ROBERT NODDING HE'S THE ENGINEER FOR COUNTY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE FOR THE SEWER TIE IN WE SENT HIM A LETTER CERTIFIED MAIL. WE HAVE NOT FOR ANYTHING BACK. OKAY. SO WE'RE WILLING TO DO TRAFFIC STUDY I DON'T THINK IT'S IN A WARRANT ANY EXTRA WORK BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO WE GET WE'RE NOT THAT'S HOW YOU'LL FEEL IF YOU OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS ISSUE IN PUBLIC. OKAY, LET'S BRING IT UP TO THE DEALERSHIP. ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS YOU LIKE TO MAKE? JOHN, I'LL START GUESS I WAS HOPING THAT SOMEONE FROM THE APPLICANT SIDE WAS ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ABOUT EXISTING RESIDENTS AND WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION HAS TAKEN PLACE. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE HISTORIC GOOGLE IMAGES I THINK I HAD AT LEAST SINCE APRIL OF 2022 A FOR SALE SIGN OUT FRONT WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AT LEAST AN INDICATION TO THAT LIVES THERE THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE WERE ACTUALLY LIVING ON THE PROPERTY AND IF THERE'S BEEN NOTICE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW A YEAR, SIX MONTHS WHAT WHAT WHAT IS BEING COMMUNICATED TO THE RESIDENTS. THAT WAS MY BIGGEST QUESTION OR CONCERN WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT. BEYOND THAT IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE REQUIREMENTS THAT AS A COMMISSION WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO REVIEW ZONING CHANGES SEEM TO HAVE MET OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE TYPICALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT I'LL STOP AND LET SOMEONE ELSE GIVE THEIR $0.02 WORTH. WELL I FELT THE SAME AS YOU ON THE DISPLACEMENT ISSUE IF THIS ISSUE GOES THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THE SUBSEQUENT REVIEWS ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES THERE AND PEOPLE ARE GOING HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THOSE KINDS OF HOMES RIGHT THAT ARE BEING PLANNED. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THAT PGA WATER HASN'T RESPONDED. I MEAN WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND ASSUME THAT IT'S IN PROXIMITY TO HOOKUPS AND SO ON. BUT WE WE HAD WE SUBMITTED I HAVEN'T RESPONDED THIS IS MY POINT. I HAVE LETTERS FROM THEM. THEY RESPONDED TO US AS WELL AND LOOKED AT DO YEAH THEY HAVE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE IT'S ADEQUATE SAY OKAY AND IT'S FAR AWAY THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO TIE INTO THE SEWER IT'S A GOOD BIT OF WORK OKAY UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER COMMENTS CAN I HAVE A FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 11 ACRES LOCATED ON CHURCH ROAD FROM T THREE HAMLET C THREE FOR EACH END AND TWO FOR HAMLET SENATOR TWO FOR EACH C 2 TO 3 NEIGHBORHOOD TO THREE A I SO MOVE WHICH WOULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION SO WE KNOW IT'S FOR THE RECORD HAVE THE YOU KNOW IN GENERAL NO I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA NOBODY'S GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. GO AHEAD. I'M HAPPY TO THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT MAKE A MOTION REGARDING AMENDING THE ZONING FOR 11 ACRES LOCATED ON BURKE CHURCH ROAD CASE CDP A000047 DASH 2025 TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT AND TESTIMONY RECEIVED THIS EVENING. SECOND ALSO OKAY THANK YOU ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND 12345542 AGAINST THE MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO FORWARD THANK YOU. OKAY AND TRAFFIC WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT ACTION ITEM NUMBER [8. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 86.16 ACRES LOCATED AT 98 JENNINGS ROAD (R100 028 000 0264 0000) FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO T3 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD (T3HN) AND T4 HAMLET CENTER (T4HC) UTILIZING THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY (PTO)] EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ZONING MAP FOR 86.16 ACRES LOCATED AT 98 [00:30:02] JENNINGS ROAD FROM TO RURAL TO 2 TO 3 HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD TO 3HN AND T FOR HAMLET CENTER T FOR H C UTILIZING THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY PTO A LOT OF OKAY WELL THIS SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT THIS PARTICULAR REZONING IT WAS IN THIS SLIGHTLY IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT FORM BACK MARCH 4TH, 2024 THE APPLICANT HAD COME WITH THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM T TO RURAL TO C THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE WHICH THE YELLOW ON THAT MAP AT THAT TIME ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT AND STAFF WAS THAT IT WAS MEETING SO OUR CONFERENCE A PLAN CALLS FOR REZONED NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED IS THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS AREA BUT IT ALSO HAS A HAMLET PLACE TYPE WHICH FOR A PLACE TYPE OVERLAY REZONING AND SO THE APPLICANT RETURNS WITH A DIFFERENT APPLICATION FOR THAT PLACE TYPE OVERLAY AND SO AS YOU REMEMBER WE LOOKED AT THIS SIMILAR TYPE OF REZONING WITH CHERRY POINT I WOULD SAY THAT THIS A MUCH SMALLER SCALE BUT IT'S THE SAME BASICALLY THE SAME TOOL THAT IS BEING USED WHERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DESIGNATED THIS TO BE HAMLET WHICH CALLS FOR A MIXED USE WALKABLE COMMUNITY IN THAT LOCATION AT AN APPROPRIATE SCALE FOR THE AREA AND SO IT IS SUBMITTED AS A ZONING MAP. IT IS ALSO ACCOMPANIED BY A THOROUGHFARE THAT SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THE STREET'S OPEN SPACE AND OTHER DETAILS IN THE COMMUNITY WHICH ARE SPELLED OUT IN OUR ORDINANCE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT RETURNS WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND IF YOU REMEMBER THIS IS LOCATED ON JENNINGS ROAD IT IS ON BASICALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM BATTERY CREEK HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S NORTH OF BROAD RIVER BOULEVARD IN THE BURDEN AREA IN NORTHERN BEFORE ONE THING THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKAGE WHICH I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE APPLICANT IS AN INTEREST IN ENTERING INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. NOW OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS A REZONING BUT I THINK AS YOU'RE AWARE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER APPLICATIONS WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST DOING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SOME OF THE SO THEY SUBMITTED A DRAFT AGREEMENT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT CAVEAT IS THAT UNTIL COUNCIL DECIDES OR MAKES THE DECISION THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST THE APPLICANT'S IDEAS ON PAPER BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF WHERE THEY ARE. YOU KNOW THEIR STARTING POINT OF DISCUSSION IS THEY MOVE THIS PROJECT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD ADDRESS AN INTEREST IN DEVELOPING WORKFORCE HOUSING AND YOU KNOW SO THE DRAFT AGREEMENT HAS TEN UNITS AT YOU KNOW FOR BETWEEN 80% AND HUNDRED AND 20% AREA MEDIAN INCOME THEY HAVE CLOSED THEY'RE PROPOSING CLOSING CREDIT OR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE OF UP TO 2500 FOR THOSE UNITS AND WITHIN THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THEY'VE ALSO INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO OFFER 75 OR 750 PER UNIT NEIGHBORING THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY HOUSING REHAB. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO USE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO MODIFY SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WHICH STAFF HAS INDICATED THE OR YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE OUR INTERPRETATION OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS IS YOU CAN'T USE THEM TO DO THAT YOU CAN'T USE THEM TO RELAX STANDARDS OR MODIFY STANDARDS SO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL EXPLAIN WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU KNOW SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT YOU UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND OF THAT THEY'RE [00:35:05] PROPOSING THIS PLACE TYPE OVERLAY YOU WOULD HAVE UP TO 244 DWELLING UNITS WITH THE MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWNHOUSES AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ACCOMPANY THAT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WOULD OFFER, YOU KNOW, ASSISTANCE FOR SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS HOUSING WHERE YOU HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY SOME OF THE CABINS YOU WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THEN I'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ONCE AND YOU THANK ROBERT. SO THE APPLICANT PERFORMED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AS YOU CAN SEE. PUT IT UP PLEASE SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE THE ACTUAL SITES SITS BETWEEN TWO SCHOOLS BERRY CREEK AND ROBERT SMALLS WE MADE SURE THAT WE ALSO ANALYZED THE THE SCHOOL PEAK TIMES OF THE OF THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SO ON AVERAGE IN THE AM DURING THE SCHOOL PEAK AND DURING THE PEAK THIS SITE IS GENERATING LIKE 150 PROPOSED TO GENERATE LIKE 150 TRIPS FROM THIS PARTICULAR SITE. OF COURSE THOSE TRIPS AREN'T ALL ON RAMSEY THEY'RE NOT ALL ON JENNINGS THEY'RE NOW ALL ON COUNTY SAID AND NOT ALL ALONG BROAD RIVER THAT THEY'RE DISPERSED. SO WE HAVE CERTAIN PERCENTAGES TO CERTAIN PLACES BASED ON HOW TRAFFIC IS MOVING TODAY THE SITE DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PART TWO DOES THIS PLAN THE STATE WHAT'S THE FAILURE RATE? WELL, THE INTERSECTIONS ARE ALL PERFORMING AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS WITH WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THE SHARED ROAD AT PARRIS ISLAND GATEWAY TODAY BECAUSE THOSE AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE STOP SIGNS, YOU KNOW, DUMB TYPICALLY AT STOP SIGNS THEY'RE THERE LONGER WAITS ESPECIALLY AT THOSE STOP SIGNS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO AND THE GAS STATION THERE THE RATES ARE VERY, VERY I MEAN THE WEIGHTS ARE VERY, VERY LONG TODAY. SO THOSE INTERSECTIONS AREN'T REALLY DOING TOO WELL WITH RESPECT TO TIME COURSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING OUT. THERE'S NOT ACCIDENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT FROM A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STANDPOINT AND BE JUDGED THEM BASED ON HOW LONG A CAR SITS THERE. CARS ARE SITTING AT THAT INTERSECTION PRETTY LONG THE DAY ALL OTHER INTERSECTIONS ARE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD THE W.K. ALSTON INTERSECTION AT BROAD RIVER IS THE IT'S IT'S A MIXED DURING THE AMM THINGS LOOK PRETTY GOOD BUT DURING THE PM IN THE SCHOOL PEAK THINGS COULD BE BETTER AND WHEN YOU ADD THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THEN THE AM DESEGREGATED SO THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMEND A CERTAIN MITIGATION MEASURE AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE THE THE LARGEST THING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS STUDY SO ALMOST 90% OF THE INTERSECTIONS ARE DOING FINE AND WE RECOMMENDED THAT ONE IMPROVEMENT THERE BECAUSE ARE ANTICIPATING NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE TRIPS TO BE GOING DOWN W.K.. ALSTON OKAY. DID YOU RECOMMEND A SPECIFIC MITIGATION AT THE INTERSECTION OR JUST THAT IT NEEDED TO BE LOOKED AT FOR MITIGATION NO, WE READ WE RECOMMENDED THAT THAT RIGHT A RIGHT HAND TURN TRAVELING TOWARDS THE RIGHT API GATEWAY AND BROAD RIVER THAT THAT RIGHT HAND TURN TO GO ON W.K. ALSTON YOU KNOW WE WE WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY ACTUALLY BE ACTUALLY RIGHT TURN LANE TO THE KIND OF LIKE THROUGH TRAFFIC COME THROUGH IN THOSE CARS MAKE THAT TURN SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDED THERE THANK YOU ARE THESE ASSETS IMPROVED BY THESE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE BY THE COUNTY? NO, THIS WOULD BE BY THE DEVELOPER. YES. THIS IS THIS IS A DRAMATIC ASK FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ACTUALLY DO THE OTHER IMPROVE THEIR OTHER APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA THAT'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE TRIPS AT THAT PARTICULAR SECTION IN THIS SECTION. [00:40:02] SO SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT WOULD CARRY THE WEIGHT OF WITH RESPECT TO FUNDING THAT IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEN THANK YOU CAN ALL RIGHT SO STAFF ALSO HAD A FEW SO I WANTED TO SUMMARIZE THE AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IT MEETS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN INTO PLACE TYPE OVERLAY. WE DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE SITE LAYOUT THE T FOR HAMLET CENTER DISTRICT IS LAID OUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S APPLYING TO A LOT OF OPEN SPACE WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT DISTRICT. IF YOU SEE ON THE MAP IT'S DARK PURPLE THAT IT'S KIND WRAPPING AROUND AND TAKING IN YOU KNOW WHERE THE OPEN SPACES AND THE SITE AND THAT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE THE KIND OF THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY SO A BIT YOU KNOW SOME MINOR CHANGES LIKE THAT THE TOWNHOMES. JENNINGS YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER JENNINGS IS TO BE IMPROVED WITH YOU KNOW, WITH THE STREETSCAPE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HAVING TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT FRONTING IT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF A RURAL CROSS SECTION OF A ROAD. SO WE HAVE THOSE THOSE COMMENTS THAT YOU SEE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ADDITION. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. HOWEVER IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WHAT THEY PRESENTED IS REALLY BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION. WE REALLY THINK THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE A CAREFUL LOOK AT YOU KNOW THE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE NEED FOR THIS AREA AND WHETHER WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING IS IS GOING TO MEET NEEDS. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD OR BE APPROVED WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO TO LOCK IN THOSE THINGS. IN ADDITION, WE'RE ADAMANT TO STAFF THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CANNOT BE USED TO MODIFY THE STANDARD SO THAT THEY'RE CHOOSING THESE DISTRICTS T FOR HAMLET CENTER T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY FOLLOW THE STANDARDS IN THOSE DISTRICTS. SO AND THAT CHECK MY UNDERSTANDING ON THIS THE HAMLET PTO HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 80 BUILDABLE ACRES THIS THIS IS 86 ACRES. YES YEAH KNOW THAT IF YOU TAKE OUT THE WETLANDS AND YOU TAKE OUT THE OPEN CIVIC SPACES THAT STILL MEET THE CRITERIA FOR HAMLET YEAH WE GO WITH THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE SITE REGARDLESS SO IT JUST MEANS MORE DENSITY ON THE LAND THAT'S LOAD. YEAH RIGHT THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT THE 15 FIVE YOU KNOW IN THE IS HERE SO IF YOU WANT TO HEAR SO ROB HOW WOULD THE YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T USE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ADJUST THE STANDARDS HOW WOULD THAT BE ENFORCED? IT'S NOT IN THE DRAFT IN THE DRAFT AGREEMENT IT'S NOT LAID OUT. I MEAN THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES, ON EXHIBITS IN EXHIBITS F ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE AND SIX. IT WOULD BE ENFORCED BY IF THIS MOVES FORWARD BY US, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS CONVEYED TO YOU KNOW, TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEGOTIATING THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NOTHING IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT MODIFIES THE STANDARDS, THEN WHEN THEY COME IN FOR INDIVIDUAL PERMITS THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT MAKING SURE THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN FOR ME A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS PARCEL? WELL, THE REASON WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT IS IF THEY ARE INTENDING ON OFFERING WORKFORCE HOUSING THEN WE BELIEVE THAT HAVING A MECHANISM IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WELL WE'RE OFFERING WORKFORCE HOUSING BY JUST YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY'RE TARGETING A CERTAIN INCOME AND SO THAT'S THE CASE THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE THAT MECHANISM TO BE IRONED OUT IN AN AGREEMENT SO THAT THAT THAT'S IS MADE SURE THAT THOSE UNITS MEET THAT THAT INCOME GROUP THAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO MEET. I, I GUESS I'LL WAIT TILL THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DRAFT AGREEMENT YES SURE JUST SO I'M CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THE THOROUGHFARES STANDARDS THAT YOU REFERENCED REGARDING THE TOWNHOMES ON JENNINGS I THINK I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE THE KIND OF THE [00:45:04] CROSS SECTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FAIR AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS JENNINGS ITSELF IN ORDER TO MEET THE SORT OF FAIR STANDARDS TERMS OF CHANGING LANGUAGE, IT'S ADDING ADDITIONAL ADDING BIKE AND PED FACILITIES IS THAT CORRECT OR WHAT WHAT EXACTLY IS INVOLVED IN MEETING THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS? I THINK AT A MINIMUM WE'D BE LOOKING AT A CROSS SECTION WHERE THERE'S YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION YOU WOULD MENTION THE ISSUE OF THE THE T FOR WHICH I UNDERSTOOD STAFF'S COMMENT I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING THINK FOR THEM TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS HOW T FOR SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN A PLAN LIKE THIS AND THINKING THAT THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY IMPACT DENSITIES AND NUMBER OF LOTS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY VERSUS WHATEVER THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE TO CORRECTLY UTILIZE FOR AS IT'S INTENDED IN THE CODE . DOES THAT SEEM LIKE A REASONABLE. YEAH I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THESE LINES WILL BE PART OF OUR ZONING MAP WHEN THIS IS ADOPTED AND THERE'S A REALLY AWKWARD ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TAKING IN AN OPEN AND YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE LOGICAL LAYOUT OF THE T FOR WE'RE ALL CONSOLIDATED IN ONE AREA WHETHER THE APPLICANT CAN DO THAT AND STICK THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO WORK OUT. I THINK I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY THERE'S ALREADY A MAXIMUM SET WITH THAT PTO ANYWAY OF DENSITY ARE Y'ALL MEETING THAT ALREADY MAYBE SO THAT'S I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD CHANGE. DID YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO BOTH THAT THAT MICROPHONE ALSO ON OKAY YEAH I CAN WAIT FOR HIM TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS ROB I HAVE A QUESTION THE AND THE STANDARDS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH AND PARTICULARLY STANDARD NUMBER THREE WHEN YOU SAID ADDRESSES THAT DEMONSTRATE A COMMUNITY NEED YOU KNOW THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TEN UNITS OUT OF 244 THAT WOULD BE SO DEDICATED WHICH IS LESS THAN 4% YOU SEE THAT AS AN ACCEPTABLE FIGURE FOR WELL THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SEE AS A STARTING POINT BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPER ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT INCOME RANGE SHOULD THEY TARGETING AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS. OKAY I MEAN OUR OPINION IS THAT SEEMS RATHER IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND POSSIBLY A LITTLE HIGH IS THE FIRST IS AS FAR AS THE INCOME AND SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO WORK THROUGH WITH THEM . OKAY ANYBODY ELSE THANK YOU ROBERT. OKAY. YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT TO COME UP PLEASE. I MIGHT MR. TILLER WHO'S GOING TO BE TALKING ROB JAMES OKAY. YOU DIDN'T FIND IT HIMSELF AGAIN. I'M I DON'T YES SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THAT ROB MARICA PULTE HOMES YEP AS YOU KNOW THE PRESENTATION WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND WELCOMING US BACK SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS AS WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THE PROJECT THIS EVENING. SO OF THE THINGS THAT WE YOU KNOW, WE FOCUSED ON SINCE LAST YEAR WE HEARD LISTENED TO A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY WORKFORCE HOUSING COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, PLANNING LAND USE COUNCIL WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE ALL THAT FEEDBACK AND WE WORK TO COME UP WITH A BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE FELT WAS IN LINE WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE KNOW A LOT OF TIME EFFORT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS FAR AS YOUR PLANNING WHICH IN TURN WAS YOU KNOW RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT THAT GIVES US AS HOMEBUILDERS IN [00:50:04] THIS AREA AN OPPORTUNITY AS A ROAD MAP TO BE ABLE TO WORK OFF OF AS WE LOOK FOR FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAND OUT FOR US IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT AS MR. DIVISION IT'S A HEALTHY TOOLBOX FROM WHICH IS TO HELP GUIDE GROWTH SOME OF THE THINGS ALSO STAND OUT AND ENABLES BEAUFORT COUNTY TO ACT ON THE ACTUAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE UNDERSTAND GROWTH IS DESIRED AND IT'S INEVITABLE BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT MIX HOUSING TYPES AND ASSURES THAT AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ALSO PARTNERS WITH NONPROFIT AGENCIES AND IT ALSO STATES THAT IT'S MISSING A MIDDLE HOUSING. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON AS WE'RE LOOKING AT RAMSEY FARMS AS A STATED AS ROB STATED IT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE 24 I'M SORRY 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT'S LOCATED RIGHT THERE AS FAR AS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE IN THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY WE CAME THE FIRST TIME WE WERE GOING FOR A STRAIGHT ZONING ONE OF THE BIGGEST FEEDBACKS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS THAT WE NEED TO STICK THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY LET'S FOCUS ON THE PLACE TYPE OVERLAY. SO WE DID WE TOOK THAT TIME AND EFFORT. WE DESIGNED A PLAN THAT WOULD FIT NEEDS. SO THAT WAS JUST ONE PIECE OF THE OVERALL BUSINESS PLAN THAT WE STARTED TO LOOK AT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE LOCATION OF THIS. WE TOOK A FIVE MINUTE, TEN MINUTE AND 15 MINUTE RADIUS AROUND THIS SITE. ONE OF THE THINGS IF YOU NOTICE WITHIN FIVE AND 10 MINUTES AT THE MOST YOU'RE AT MAJOR WORK EMPLOYMENT HUBS WITHIN THE AREA. YOU'RE ALSO LOCATED WITHIN MINUTES YOU HAVE THREE SCHOOLS WITHIN THE AREA YOU HAVE MADE YOUR SHOPPING RETAIL ALL WITHIN THAT PROXIMITY AS WELL THIS ALL KEEPS EVERYTHING ISOLATED AND CENTRALIZED AND AS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH YOU WOULD CALL AN INFILL LOCATION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WE TOOK A LOT OF THAT FEEDBACK AND I HEARD THAT YOU MADE ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTED HOMES THAT TEN WELL AS OF RIGHT NOW WHAT WE WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO US WAS MIRROR SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE ACROSS THE STREET AND WINDFARMS WERE MEANT FOR SMES AT THAT TIME THEY HAD FIVE DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES WE DOUBLED THAT BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD WE NEED ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING, NEW WORKFORCE HOUSING WE GOT YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IN THE AREA FIRST RESPONDER THAT ALL NEED HOUSING SO WE IMPLEMENTED ANOTHER PORTION OF IN THAT DAY WHICH WOULD BE A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND ONLY THAT FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA WE HEAR REHABILITATION WITH HOUSING SO WE IMPLEMENTED THAT ON BUT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS WE NEEDED TO HAVE A PARTNER AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE TALK WOULD BE FOR JASPER HOUSING TRUST TO BE ABLE TO HELP HOLD ACCOUNTABLE TO WE CAN UTILIZE THEM AS A PARTNER THEY HAVE THE AS FAR AS THE AND THE REACH TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE REHABILITATION SO THROUGH THIS PROCESS NOT ONLY WILL BE WORKING WITH COUNCIL WHILST WE WITH BEACH FOR JASPER HOUSING TRUST WE CAN IMPLEMENT THIS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU WERE OPEN FOR IT RIGHT WE HAVE JOSH HERE THAT CAN SPEAK THE PLAN AND WATER THAT COULD SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS QUESTIONS QUESTIONS FROM YOU GO AHEAD AGAIN I DIDN'T FIND THAT IN THE DRAFT THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH INFORMATION ON, THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE AND WHEN DID YOU PLAN TO FLUSH THAT OUT? SO AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES WE PLANNED ON FLESHING THAT OUT AND WE WERE WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF ON DETERMINING THE SETS OF PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE IN THERE AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF COUNCIL TO COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE PLAN THAT WOULD WORK FOR THAT AREA. BUT UNDER THE AGREEMENT YOU'RE TO REITERATE WHAT ROB SAID YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOU CANNOT RELAX ANY OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE PLACE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE BUT AT THE SAME TIME YES AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE FOR DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE ALSO COMING TO THE TABLE WITH SOME OF THESE. WE WANT TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS WELL FOR EVERYBODY WE UNDERSTAND THE STANDARDS AND WE ARE GOING TO WORK DILIGENTLY LEE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH PLANS THAT WORK WELL FOR THAT AREA AND WORK WELL FOR STAFF AND THE COUNTY AND THAT INCLUDES CHANGING WHAT ROB POINTED OUT THE TRANSECT WE UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, MA'AM WE DO AND WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS WITH JOSH TO GO AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION IN THE KRISTEN YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN START WORKING THROUGH THOSE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE YOU KNOW ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. I FORGOT TO ASK THIS BUT YOU MAY KNOW WAS THERE ANY INPUT FROM THE MILITARY OR FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING ACRES OR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT [00:55:07] REGARDING IT? WE REACHED OUT TO BOTH OF THEM AND HAVE WORKED AROUND. THERE'S A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS BY THE AIRPORT OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT'S DEDICATED TO OPEN SPACE THIS WELL I'VE GOT A QUESTION OF YOU. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT I'M LOOKING AT THE SEVEN CRITERIA THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL LOOKS AT AND MAKING A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS GOES FORWARD. AND I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST THREE MAYBE FOUR ITEMS OF THAT SEVEN THAT THE STAFF DOESN'T ARE BEING MET. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT THE INFORMATION THE SAME AS WE HAVE. YOU'RE SAYING THE SEEMINGLY SAYING THAT THEY ARE BEING MET OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE MET I HAVE A HARD TIME MY OWN MIND KNOWING THAT THERE'S FOUR OUT OF THE SEVEN THAT ARE AREN'T BEING MET MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO ANOTHER BODY TO DECIDE WHETHER NOT THEY'RE BEING MET. EXACTLY. I WOULD AGREE WITH I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD COME TO US WITH ALL CRITERIA MET IN A FAVORABLE CONDITIONS. SO AND THEY'VE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THAT. I THINK THE CONDITIONS ROB LAID OUT THAT ARE NOT BEING MET ARE SPECIFICALLY LAID TO TO THE LAND PLAN ITSELF WORKING THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE THOROUGHFARE. SO BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS, WORKING WITH THE CIVIC SPACE LABELING THAT SO AS FAR AS THE INITIAL PLANS THEN ABSOLUTELY WE WOULD FEEL MORE THAN CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND WORK THROUGH WHAT THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WE THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE OVERALL THOROUGHFARE OF THE PLAN WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SIDEWALK OR WHATEVER THAT SPECIFIC THOROUGHFARE LAID OUT I THINK WOULD BE ABLE TO THE OVERALL PLAN ITSELF IS I MEAN, YES, THERE WILL BE SOME MODIFICATIONS BASED OF WHAT YOU KNOW AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT THEY TALK ABOUT THE T FOR AND THE LAYOUT OF THE LAND. SOME OF THAT MIGHT CHANGE BUT THE OVERALL DENSITY AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS WILL REMAIN THE SAME IT MIGHT BE SOME MODIFICATIONS KEEP THAT IN OH I'M JOSH TAYLOR REJECTED TAYLOR ASSOCIATES WE ACTUALLY JUST GOT THIS REPORT FRIDAY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO REACT TO IT BUT BASED ON ALL THESE CONDITIONS WE CAN MEET ALL THESE CONDITIONS IF WE GO BACK TO THE REGULATING PLAN WITH MENTIONED THAT AREA THAT WAS SHOWN AS T FOR HAMLET CENTER THAT PURPLE AREA AT THE BOTTOM WE MOVE ALL THAT THE EFFORT HERE WAS TO SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE TO KEEP THE DENSITY DOWN AND DISTRICT BECAUSE BASED ON THE CAMP PLACE TYPE YOUR LIMITED PERCENTAGE WISE ACREAGE TO THE AMOUNT OF THE THE T THREE HAMLET NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE HIT THAT AT 70% WE CAN MOVE IT BUT WE DID THAT IN AN EFFORT JUST TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE TO KEEP THE DENSITY IF WE MOVE IT YOU KNOW THE DENSITY WILL CHANGE SLIGHTLY BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH MOVING THAT THAT ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS WE CAN MEET WELL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANNING DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THEM NOT SEEING YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE FRIDAY AND SAYING NOW THAT THEY CAN MEET THESE COMMENTS WHAT COMMENT? THE STAFF REPORT THE STAFF REPORT WAS POSTED LAST MONDAY AND WAS MADE PUBLIC THEN. WELL, I RECEIVED IT FRIDAY SO OH OKAY. I UNDERSTAND POSITION THANK YOU BUT WE CAN MAKE WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THESE THESE CONDITIONS IF THAT'S THE QUESTION GOOD JOB TIED TO THIS WHOLE NOTION BEHIND THE T WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE KIND OF YOUR HAMLET CENTER VERSUS THE T THREE WHICH I GUESS IS MORE OF AN AMBIT GENERAL MR. MERRITT POINTED OUT EARLIER THAT THIS IS FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES INFILL SITE THE EXISTING ZONING AS I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD HAVE HAD A YIELD OF 27 HOMES MAXIMUM FOR THIS AREA. THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL WAS 184 HOMES. YOU'RE NOW PROPOSING 244 HOMES. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE HAMLET REQUIREMENTS THAT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE AS HIGH HOWEVER DENSE THESE PROPOSING AND I HAVE TO THINK THAT THERE ARE HAMLETS THAT CAN BE DESIGNED THAT FIT IN A CONDUCIVE MANNER BECAUSE IT'S [01:00:04] AN INFORMAL PIECE OF TO THE DENSITIES THAT ARE SURROUNDING IT. AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE AS YOU'RE ADJUSTING YOUR T FOR IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOUR DENSITY HAS TO GO UP IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE SHIFTING WHERE THE T4 IS AND THAT OPERATING MORE AS A CENTER RATHER THAN AS THIS LITTLE SKINNY LINE THAT RUNS AROUND THE PROPERTY. IT ONLY TAKES UP WHERE YOUR DRAINAGE IN YOUR OPEN SPACES. I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN BUT TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT ■BECAUSE IT'SPLACEDBASIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT LEVEL OF INFORMATION BEFORE HAVING TO PASS EVERYTHING OFF TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL TO GET INTO ALL OF THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK OUT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT I THINK THE BASICS OF THE PLAN ITSELF IS SOMETHING THAT COULD AND SHOULD BE WORKED OUT AT THIS LEVEL BEFORE WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SENDING IT ON ITS FEET. YOU WE UNDERSTAND AND I THINK ROB AND I HAVE HAD THAT WE SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED THAT WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IF THERE'S NEEDS TO BE CHANGES WHERE THEY NEED TO MAKE DO NOW AND THEN BRING IN TO YOU ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THIS THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD SO WE HAD WITHIN A WEEK OF UNDERSTANDING WE GOT THE STAFF COMMENTS BACK WE UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS BUT WE CAN AS HE STATED BEFORE WE CAN WORK WITH THOSE COMMENTS AND WE CAN WE CAN MEET THE NEEDS HE DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A DEFERRAL THEN TO ANOTHER MONTH COME BACK TO US WITH YOUR IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE I MEAN DOCUMENTATION ROB I THINK OUR COMMENTS ON THAT I MEAN ROB STAY THIS IS THE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH AND AS WE GO THROUGH WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH STAFF AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BUT PROGRESS YOU MAKE SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING THE SAYING AND I AGREE IF IT YOU THINK YOU COME BACK TO US WITH THAT AND PERHAPS A DEFERRAL IS IN ORDER DO YOU THINK WHAT'S YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE CAN ALL RIGHT GO FROM THERE I'LL HOLD THAT ALL RIGHT I'VE GOT IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NUMBERED I'M JUST GOING TO CALL IT FOLKS WHO I'VE SUBMITTED PUBLIC COMMENT REQUEST GRANT MCCLURE WHEN I WAS GRANT MCCLURE AND I WORK FOR THE COASTAL CONSERVATION LEAGUE OUR OFFICES AND BEFORE AT 1211 HARRINGTON STREET I THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THE REZONING OF THE 86 ACRES AT 98 JENKINS ROAD AND THE BURTON AREA. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS JUST THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY THAT'S PROPOSED AT 244 UNITS WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD LAST YEAR IT WAS AROUND 180 UNITS AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED ON THE PROPERTY THAT THAT TWO RURAL ZONING ALLOWS FOR ONE UNIT PER THREE ACRES WHICH WOULD YIELD ABOUT 28 UNITS. SO IT'S IT'S AN FOLD INCREASE FROM 28 TO TO 44 IN AN AREA THAT IS STILL HAS A LOT OF RURAL ZONED PROPERTY AND SO IT'S CONCERNING THAT THAT MIGHT OVERBURDEN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA AND THERE ARE SOME ATTRACTIVE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT'S ON THE TABLE LIKE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROPOSAL. HOWEVER I DO THINK THAT THAT NUMBER OF UNITS PROPORTIONATE TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS PRETTY LOW AND ALSO THE ARMY IS QUITE HIGH. IF YOU HAD A TEACHER THAT JUST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE THAT WANTED TO WORK AT BATTERY CREEK SHE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE IN THAT 80000 TO $120000 RANGE THAT IS PROPOSED AT THE MOMENT OR IF YOU HAD A FIREFIGHTER OR AN EMT THAT WAS LIVING ALONE, YOU REALLY PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THAT. AND SO YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS KIND OF GOTTEN AWAY FROM DOING THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTEN CONTROVERSIAL THEY CAN RESULT IN LITIGATION AND SO JUST JUST WANT TO CAUTION AGAINST ENTERING INTO ANYTHING TOO HASTILY EVEN IF THERE ARE CERTAIN CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAY SEEM APPEALING . APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. [01:05:02] AND IN GENERAL I THINK BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS JUST THAT LEVEL OF DENSITY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT AREA AND WHAT THOSE IMPACTS MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE HUNDRED AND 44 UNITS THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, CAROL. DORA CAROL DORA 183 JENNINGS ROAD I REALLY COULD JUST SAY I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN AHEAD OF ME AND JUST SIT DOWN BUT. I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE FOR BEING MINDFUL OF PEOPLE IN BLUFFTON THERE HAVE BEEN DISPUTE JUST DISPLACED OUT OF THAT MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S BEFORE IN BUTTE COUNTY AND IT REALLY IS A HARDSHIP FOR THOSE PEOPLE. THEY'RE GIVEN THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIND A PLACE WHEN THERE JUST ISN'T A PLACE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY AT ALL ANYMORE I THINK WHAT WORKS BEST FOR JENNINGS ROAD IS TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. I MEAN THERE'S ACTUALLY TREES IT'S ACTUALLY I MEAN THE ROAD ITSELF IS FINE. WE DO HAVE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA SO THERE'S A CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY. BUT THEN AS I AS I SAT THERE AND I LOOKED AT THE CODES, LOOKED AT THE THE DENSITY SO AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED QUITE WELL BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY IN THAT AREA NOT JUST TRAFFIC BUT KIDS AND SCHOOL JUST THE GENERAL RURAL AREA THAN IT NOW IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY IN SO MANY WAYS HAS DEVELOPED THE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. AND I THINK WE'RE WE'RE SORT OF OVER BEING OVERRUN BY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE TAKE GROVES OF TREES, CHOPPED THEM DOWN AND PUT DOWN MULTI THREE STOREY APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE TOO NUMEROUS COUNT AS YOU DRIVE PAST THEM AND I KNOW IT BRINGS IN MONEY. I THINK THE PRICE WE'RE PAYING IS TOO HIGH. WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE NOW. WE WANT GROWTH AND WE WANT PROGRESS. BUT SOMETIMES I THINK NEED TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT PRICE ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT PROGRESS FOR? THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE YOU CAN'T GET IN TO SEE A DOCTOR ANYMORE UNLESS. YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T TAKING NEW PATIENTS SO. THEN YOU GET TO BE A NO. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS THE PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I'VE SEEN NEUROLOGY IT TOOK ME TWO MONTHS TO GET AN APPOINTMENT. APPOINTMENT YOU'LL SEE A SPECIALIST THERE WON'T BE TILL AFTER JULY SO WE HAVE NEEDS THAT PEOPLE COMING LIKE I SAID I'M NOT AGAINST GROWTH BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT PRICE WE'RE PAYING AS RESIDENTS OF BEAUFORT COUNTY OUR SCHOOLS ARE THEY NEED IMPROVING MORE MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HOME SCHOOLING OR TO AN INTERNET SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FAITH IN OUR SCHOOLS. WE HAVE INCREASED CRIME IN BEAUFORT COUNTY THE LAST TIME SAW IS PROBABLY HIGHER NOW WE HAVE OVER 80 UNSOLVED MURDER AND MURDERS IN BUTTE COUNTY. ONE OF THEM ONE OF THEM IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER SO I'M AWARE OF THAT. WE HAVE DRUGS, GANGS, SHOOTINGS ALL THE TIME THAT WE DIDN'T USED TO HAVE SO WE HAVE TO KEEP A LID SOME OF THIS TRAFFIC WE KNOW THERE'S INCREASED TRAFFIC CAN HARDLY GET ON THE ROAD SOME PLACES AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY WE TALK ABOUT SEWER AND WATER AND MAYBE JASPER BEAUFORT CAN THAT BUT I DO KNOW AT THEIR PEAK WATER TIMES IN THE SUMMER THEY CALL FROM THE AQUIFER AND WE KNOW THAT SALTWATER COMING INTO THE AQUIFER SO JUST PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE AND TAKE CARE OF US AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOYCE GIBBS. OH MY I THINK MY NAME IS JOYCE. MY LAST NAME IS GIBBS HAMM. I THINK I WANT TO MAYBE JUST ADDRESS THE THE HUMAN IN A CELL AND THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS WE WERE LOOKING AT A LIGHT A FEW MINUTES AGO AND THEY SAID THAT WASN'T ALL THAT . AND I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, WELL MY GRANDMOTHER WAS HERE IN 1790 AND WE HAD LAND THEN I HAVE OUR OWN DEED RIGHT HERE TODAY FROM 1907 WHICH MEANS WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS AND ON THE BACK OF THIS OLD DEED IS ANOTHER DEED. IT SAYS THAT WE WERE HERE 20 YEARS BEFORE 1970. THAT WAS I MEAN 1907 THAT WAS MANY YEARS AGO. AND WHEN YOU THINK COVID I'M THINKING ABOUT THE LAND THAT MR. ROBIN AND THOSE TO BUY THEY WANT TO BUY THAT LAND FROM JOHN PRICE THEY HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE LAND YET YOU SEE JOHN TRASK [01:10:07] PURCHASED THAT LAND BACK IN EIGHT KNOW 1933 DOING THE I THINK IT WAS A WHAT DO YOU CALL IT A STOCK MARKET CRASH RIGHT DURING. THE STOCK MARKET CRASH THE GOVERNMENT HAD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE MORE. SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SOLD LAND AND AND THEY GAVE CORPORATIONS MONEY TO BUY. THEN JUST LIKE DURING THE PANDEMIC THEY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO CORPORATIONS THEY DIDN'T GIVE THE PEOPLE NOTHING AND. I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE IN 1863 WE SAID FREED THE SLAVES IN 1865. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SHEET MY GRANDFATHER WAS $10 A MONTH IN 1867 SO HE WAS MAKING $0.03 A DAY. YOU UNDERSTAND AND SO EVEN TODAY WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE $34,000 $30,000 AND HE WANT US TO PURCHASE A HOUSE AT $80,000? WELL, NO, THAT'S 300 AND 300 AND $300,000 AND PLUS AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE AT LEAST $80,000 TO GET THE LOAN RIGHT. AND I STILL GOT SOME INFORMATION ON BEAUFORT COUNTY IN 1863 WHEN THEY WERE SELLING LAND THEY WERE SELLING THAT LAND BECAUSE THEY THEY PASSED THIS LAW TO TAX THE PEOPLE. WHERE DID WE GET MONEY TO TAX TO PAY TAXES? WE DIDN'T HAVE NO LAND. WE DIDN'T HAVE NO WE DIDN'T HAVE NO MONEY TO PAY NO TAXES. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE NO MONEY TO PAY THE TAXES BACK IN 1863 BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FREE THE SLAVES IN 1865. WE'RE STILL WONDERING ARE WE GOING TO KEEP PAYING ALL THESE HIGH PRICES THAT THESE CORPORATIONS TRYING PUT UP? YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LORETTA MILLEDGE HELLO. MY NAME IS LORETTA. I LIVE AT SIX RAMSEY WE'RE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. I JUST WANT TO THAT I AM AGAINST THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE LARGER LIKE THEY SAID EARLIER, MORE CRIMES, MORE TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTIONS JENNINGS AND COUNTY SHARED AND ON BRAVO BOULEVARD AND I'M JUST AGAINST IT AND THAT'S ALL HAVE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MELANIE DELEON, EVENING. THANK YOU. WE GREW UP IN BEAUFORT AND WE PROPERTY ON COUNTY SHARED ROAD. WE HAD 19 ACRES. WE HAD FARMLAND ANIMALS GARDENED AND THIS PROPERTY RUNS BEHIND OUR PROPERTY STILL WE DO HAVE MOBILE HOMES OUT THERE THAT WE RENT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE IMPACTS GOING TO BE BUT KNOWING THAT IT SHOULD BE 28 HOUSES OR HOMES FAMILIES VERSUS THE 244 HOMES AND FAMILY AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REMAIN THE THREE ACRES PER FAMILY AND I'D LIKE TO PRESERVE THE PROPERTY, THE LAND, THE TREES BUT TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW ON COUNTY SHARED ROAD IS IS TREMENDOUS BECAUSE I'M OUT THERE GOING ACROSS THAT STREET AND WE'VE HAD TO WIDEN THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE BEFORE BATTERY CREEK. SO I KNOW MORE PROPERTY WILL BE TAKEN WHEN STREETS HAVE TO BE WIDENED BUT JUST A LOT OF CHANGES IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE AND I COULDN'T ACTUALLY TELL FROM THE MAP IF IT'S WATER I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING BESIDE OUR PROPERTY BUT IT MIGHT BE WATER MAYBE IT'S BLANK LAND AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHO WOULD SPEAK TO ABOUT THAT BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE LAYOUT OF WHAT'S GOING TO COME BEHIND OUR PROPERTY THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT MAP. AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THIS CHANGE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KIM. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME. YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING IN CONCLUSION, ROBERT? ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OH, I NEED YOU TO SEE ANYONE ELSE. WELL I DO. I WILL. BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU FIRST IF YOU WANTED DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY AT THIS POINT? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. [01:15:04] I JUST ASK WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ROB OR JOSH? YES. I DO WANT TO ASK YOU, CHAIRMAN, PERHAPS AS FAR AS THE SHORTCOMINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BASED ON ROB'S CONDITIONS, WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO MEET THE CONDITIONS? WELL, I WOULD DEFER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE THE TEST. IF THEY PASS THE TEST WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE WHAT'S RECOMMENDATION, WHAT THEY SAY AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMENT. I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANYTHING SPECIFIC NOW THIS IS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT TOGETHER. SO IF WE MEET THE CONDITIONS FOR THE PLANNING AND PLANNING STAFF THAT WOULD BE A START. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO YOU KNOW SIR WHO YOU. YEAH HI ADAM TENNANT WITH PULTE. SO ALONG THAT SAME QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND I THINK STAFF HAS LAID OUT THEY LAID THE CONDITIONS OF THE NINE QUESTIONS YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THEY HAD SOME RESERVATIONS AND I THINK THEY ADDRESSED THOSE RESERVATIONS WITH THE CONDITIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO TO THE LAST PART, IF WE'RE OKAY MEETING THOSE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THAT WAS JUST ONE THING. SO MAYBE STAFF CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON WE MEET THOSE CONDITIONS AND WE ARE WE WILL THOSE I'VE SEEN NOTHING YET THAT SAYS THOSE CONDITIONS ARE BEING MET I SEE THAT'S CONDITIONAL THEIR APPROVAL SO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH WE'RE JUST TO BE CLEAR WE'LL MEET THOSE CONDITIONS. WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT WE WILL MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS LAID OUT. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LET'S BRING THE CONVERSATION UP HERE. TODAY'S COMMENTS OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE CONDITIONS BUT ONLY WHEN PRESSED. THAT'S WHEN YOU FINALLY SAID YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE CONDITIONS. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THE CONDITIONS BEING MET RIGHT NOW BEFORE GOING FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO YEAH WE'LL GET THEM IN THE FUTURE SOME TIME BECAUSE THE FUTURE CAN BE CHANGED SO THAT'S WHY I'M AGAINST THIS RIGHT NOW . THAT'S MY COMMENT. ALL RIGHT, JOHN, I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT WE WERE ASKING THE APPLICANT EARLIER IS THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY PARTICULARLY THE THE ISSUE OF THE T FOR THE TRANSECT THE WAY THAT THE AREA IS BEING SHOWN IN PURPLE ARE RIGHT NOW THEY AREN'T MEETING THE INTENT OF WHAT HAMLET CENTER WAS INTENDED IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE . I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT TO ADDRESS THAT AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT. I THINK WHAT WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG IS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A PLANNING COMMISSION WE DON'T FEEL WE CAN MAKE ADEQUATE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEE HOW THAT'S CHANGED AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE PLAN SO I THINK WHAT I HAVE TWO OPTIONS. ONE IS YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND TWEAK YOUR PLAN AND BRING IT BACK TO US OR YOU'RE SAYING HERE'S THE PLAN WE'VE SAID WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE CONDITIONS TAKE YOUR ACTION TONIGHT AS IT'S BEEN PRESENTED . AND SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHO ARE YOU ASKING THE QUESTION AND THEN THEY'RE THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD RATHER EXPECT ON THE PLAN TONIGHT AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF, MEET IT REGARDLESS, THAT WILL CHANGE AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEIR CONDITIONS. YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THIS WITH CONDITIONS AS LONG AS WE MEET THOSE CONDITIONS. IF WE DON'T MEET THOSE CONDITIONS IF IT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD SO WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ALL THE RECOMMENDATION WHETHER IT'S THAT A PLAYGROUND WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF EVERY LOT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PLAN CHANGES TO REMOVE THAT PORTION A T FOR BACK TO THE CORE OR SOME OTHER CONDITIONS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE CIVIC SPACE WITHIN THE BUILDING FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE'RE WILLING TO MEET THAT CONDITION AND DESIGNATING THE TYPES OF CIVIC SPACES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY WHERE WE CAN MEET THAT CONDITION AND I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO TO MEET THAT THAT'S OUR INTENT THAT BASICALLY SAYS STILL TRYING TO PUT 240 HOMES [01:20:09] IN 24 TO 44 THAT NUMBER COULD CHANGE THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON HOW TRANSECT CHANGES SO AGAIN THAT'S UP IN THE AIR YOU KNOW I THINK AS LONG AS WE IN STAFF IS STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK WE'RE OUR PLAN IS TO MEET THEIR CONDITIONS YEAH SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE REALLY LOW OF LIKE WHAT WAS IT LESS THAN 4% YOU SAID. YEAH WELL THE THE WORKFORCE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISSUE AND THAT'S A SEPARATE THAT'S NOT OF THIS. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I THINK WE'LL READ OUT TWO OPTIONS AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING THE ONE OPTION OF ON THE FACE OF IT YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE CONDITIONS GO FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, MOVE THE LAND TO THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE. THE OTHER ONE IS WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN WITH THOSE CONDITIONS MET BEFORE GOING TO FORWARD IT. THAT'S UP TO YOU. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE TWO OPTIONS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT. YES. HI. SO WITH THE DENSITY OF THE HAMLET PTO IS CAPPED AT THREE UNITS PER SO THEY'RE THEY'RE AT THE MAXIMUM NOW SO IT CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER THAN THAT TO 44 AND IT CAN GO LOWER IT CAN GO LOWER BUT IT CAN'T GO HIGHER. RIGHT. IT'S A 3.0 RIGHT TO THE REAR OF THE COMMENTS I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK I CAN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE MOVE IT ALONG BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SHIRKING OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED DO WITH ONE PERSON. YEAH AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEFT UNANSWERED HERE. I I I I THINK WE WOULD BE DERELICT IN OUR DUTY TO SUBJUGATE OUR DECISION TO STAFF REVIEW. THE CUSTOMARY PROCEDURE IS TO REVIEW WITH STAFF AND GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING THAT ONCE THE STAFF IS SATISFIED THAT THESE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT HAS JUST INFORMED ME THAT IF I YOURSELF PLEASE SIR BRIAN OVERNIGHT KING COUNTY ATTORNEY THE APPLICANT HAS JUST INFORMED ME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPTION TO DEFER. I THINK THEY JUST READ ROOM SO THE LIKE AND THEY'RE GOING TO DEFER AND WORK WITH STAFF AND THEN TRY TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS AND BRING THEM BACK FOR PLANNING PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT BEFORE THEY VOTE ENACT ON IT. OKAY HOW WHEN AND HOW LONG IS THE DEFERRAL MONTH? TWO MONTHS? THREE MONTHS. LET'S START WITH A MONTH AND IF THEY NEED MORE TIME THEN THEY CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME. WELL WE DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS OUT AS A SIR. THE NEXT FINAL COMMISSION BE A GOOD START WOULD YOU AGREE? BUT IF THEY CAN'T MEET IT THEY NEED MORE TIME. MR. NESTOR CAN CONTACT ME ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE AND I'LL WORK WITH ROB TO CONTACT YOU AND SAY HEY THEY'RE NOT READY. LET'S PUT IT AT NEXT MEETING. OKAY, SO YOU'RE REQUESTING A DEFERRAL, CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT EMOTION . OUR MOTION THAT WE TABLED IS MAKE A DEFERRAL TO OUR MEETING AND WE ARE IN OUR NEXT MEETING AND IT'S THE DATE AT THE SEVENTH WHATEVER IS IT THE FIRST MONDAY IN MAY BE THE FIRST MONDAY MAY 5TH. YES SIR. ON THE MAY 5TH MEETING AND YOU'LL NOTIFY US THAT'S IT. THE FACT THEY NEED MORE TIME THEY WILL HAVE TO CONTACT US AHEAD OF THE MEETING DATE, NOTIFY US THAT THEY NEED MORE TIME. THEY'RE NOT READY AND THEN MR. MERCHANT AND MYSELF WILL CONTACT YOU TO ALERT YOU TO THAT AND THEN IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA WITH YOUR PERMISSION TO BE ON THE NEXT MONTH. BUT OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO GET IT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DECISION IN MAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HOPEFULLY THEY WORK DILIGENTLY TO GET THERE. SO I HAVE A SECOND OF THE MOTION SAID AND CECILY SECOND I HAD A CLARIFICATION SURE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS A MOTION ACCEPTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A DEFERRAL THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING A DEFERRAL BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY OUR RELATIONS ARE BEFORE THAT YES APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A DEFERRAL. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE SECOND IT ON IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE FOR ALL LEAVE YOUR HAND IT'S UNANIMOUS AND IS DEFERRED UNTIL MAY THE NEXT BOARD MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL THANK Y * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.