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          CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY. 
          TWO ORDERS. 
          [I. CALL TO ORDER]
UM, IF WE COULD GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WETMORE HERE. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN JIM FLYNN. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BROCK. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER RICH DELCO. 
          COMMISSIONER LYDIA DEPAUL. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER DAN GROVE HERE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER DELCO HAS A PASS AS HE'S, UH, HAVING ANOTHER GRANDCHILD BORN, SO WE WISH HIM THE BEST. 
          UM, NOTICE REGARDING 
          [III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
ADJOURNMENT. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM AND LESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. 
          PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, ADOPTION OF 
          [IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
MINUTES. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? NONE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          [V. PUBLIC COMMENT]
UM, ARE THERE PUBLIC S YES. 
          I'M SHOCKED. 
          MEMBER. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, YOU, IF YOU WOULD COME ON UP. 
          UM, NOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME NERVOUS. 
          NO, DON'T BE NERVOUS. 
          BUT, UM, IF I COULD JUST REAL BRIEFLY, UH, WE DO HAVE PROTOCOLS. 
          WE DO ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE DO ASK THAT YOU'RE RESPECTFUL TO THE COMMISSIONER, RESPECTFUL TO PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, THERE'S A PLACE FOR HARSH WORDS AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HERE. 
          . 
          GOT IT. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, MICHELLE NURNBERG ADDRESS IS FIVE, UH, SHELL RAKE STREET, BLUFFTON, AND I AM INQUIRING ABOUT A SUBMITTAL THIS EVENING FOR 32 BRUIN. 
          AND TWO OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH I SUSPECT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE ARCHITECT'S OFFICE AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UM, ACCOMMODATING AND HELPFUL IS HOW THE TOWN IS GOING TO APPROACH THE REQUEST TO CLOSE BARNACLE CUT, WHICH IS A SIDE STREET WITHIN TABBY ROADS GOING INTO THE ARCHITECT'S PARKING LOT. 
          I KNOW IN 2020 THERE WAS A ROAD CLOSURE AND CALMING, UM, POLICY PUT FORTH BY THE TOWN THAT SAID THAT THEY WON'T, UM, STOP ROAD CLOSURES FOR PRIVATE ROADS, WHICH BOTH ARE, BUT I DIDN'T, I THINK IT'S BEING SUBMITTED TONIGHT FOR YOUR REVIEW. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND THEN THE TYPE OF BUSINESS PROPOSED ON THE AGENDA ORIGINALLY CAME FORTH THAT IT WAS GONNA BE AN OFFICE OR RETAIL SPACE, BUT THEN THAT WAS REMOVED. 
          AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED AND I'D LIKE TO FIND THAT OUT FOR THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH QUESTIONS, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN NOTES AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS, LORI? SO LORI, SO, UH, WE LIVE AT, UH, SEVEN TABBY SHELL ROAD. 
          THAT'S MY HUSBAND, TOM. 
          UH, WE JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, HE'S MAKING YOU DO ALL THE TALK. 
          HE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS LIKE, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE SEE IS THE OUTLINE OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, BUT WE DON'T SEE WHERE THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE. 
          UH, IF THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY IS THAT GOING TO STAY AND ARE WHERE THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS THAT THEY PROPOSE WHERE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA FIT? AND, UH, JUST THAT KIND OF THING. 
          JUST CLARIFICATION OF WHAT IS GOING TO GO IN THERE. 
          IT IS THE SECOND AGENDA ITEM, SO IT'LL COME UP PRETTY QUICK. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          THIRD AGENDA ITEM. 
          WE HAVE ONE OLD BUSINESS. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING ON 
          [VI.1. CVS Pharmacy 2745 (Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay): A request
by Shelbi D'Avignon of Boos Development Group, Inc. on behalf of CVS 7651 SC, LLC, for
review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay application. The project
consists of an 11,286 SF retail, clinic and pharmacy with drive through and associated
infrastructure. The property is zoned Jones Estate PUD and consists of approximately 1.911
acres, identified by tax map number R610 036 000 0979 0000 located within the May River
Crossing Master Plan and the Town of Bluffton Highway Corridor Overlay District. (COFA-09-
24-019355) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
TO OLD BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, CVS PHARMACY 2 7 4 5 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY REQUEST BY SHELBY. 
          I BUTCHER THIS EVERY TIME. 
           HER, UM, BOOZE DEVELOPMENT GROUP ON BEHALF OF CVS 7 6 5 1 S-S-C-L-L-C FOR REVIEW OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY APPLICATION. 
          THE PROB PROJECT CONSISTS OF AN 11,286 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL CLINIC AND PHARMACY WITH DRIVE THROUGH AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED JONES ESTATE, PUD, AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.911 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX NUMBER, TAX MA NUMBER IN OUR PACKET AND LOCATED WITHIN THE MAY RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
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MS. CHARLOTTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JANUARY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TIME TO DO, UH, TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS BASED ON, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THAT MEETING. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF BOTH THE SITE PLAN AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          BUT LET ME, UM, UH, GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW HERE. 
          UH, SO THERE WAS CONCERN ON THE, UH, HIGHWAY ONE 70 ELEVATION, WHICH IS THIS AREA HERE, THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE, UH, SOME LANDSCAPING. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE, UH, LANDSCAPE STRIP IN THAT LOCATION, AS WELL AS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING EVAN WAY. 
          AND ON THE, UH, OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING MAY RIVER CROSSING. 
          THE EMERGENCY DOOR THAT WAS LOCATED IN THE REAR ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOW IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND AGAIN, I'LL SHOW YOU THOSE ELEVATIONS. 
          AND THE ELEVATION AT THE TOP, UH, IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. 
          AND THE, UH, ELEVATION ON THE BOTTOM IS, IS THE REVISION. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES, UH, TO THE WINDOWS REMOVAL OF THE AWNING, UH, OVER THE, UH, ENTRANCEWAY. 
          THE AWNING HERE HAS BEEN, UH, SLIGHTLY, UH, POSITIONED SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, FARTHER OUT. 
          BAHAMAS SHUTTERS HAVE BEEN ADDED AS WELL AS LIGHT SCONCES. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE EMERGENCY DOOR THAT WAS INITIALLY ON THE, UH, BACK OF THE CVS. 
          THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT IS FACING, UH, INTO ONE 70. 
          YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE ADDED SOME FENESTRATION, UH, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF, UM, THESE BRICK INLAY AREAS, AS WELL AS SOME BAHAMAS SHUTTERS. 
          THEY HAVE, UH, CHANGE THE PATTERN HERE, THAT THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE COMMISSION ASKED TO BE REVISED. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGE. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THE INTERIOR, THIS IS FACING, UH, THE DENTAL PROPERTY TO THE EAST OR TO THE SOUTH RATHER. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CHANGE HERE. 
          THE, THE DOOR EMERGENCY DOOR HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES HERE AS WELL, UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF BAHAMAS SHUTTERS. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, THE BRICK BASE HAS BEEN EXTENDED SLIGHTLY. 
          THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM JANUARY. 
          AND THEN THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING MAY RIVER CROSSING. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE, THE BRICK HAS BRICK INLAY HERE HAS, UH, BEEN REVISED. 
          AND THE ADDITION OF BAHAMAS SHUTTERS THAT YOU SEE ELSEWHERE ON THE BUILDING. 
          THERE ARE THREE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          THE APPLICANT DOES MEET THEM ALL, UM, AND WILL MEET A, IF THE CONDITIONS IDENTIFIED ARE MET. 
          THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, ONE, PROVIDE A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPER OR A DECLARANT RATHER, UM, SHOWING APPROVAL, UH, PER THE APPLICATION'S MANUAL, A SIGN PERMIT WILL HAVE TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED SEPARATELY FROM THIS APPROVAL. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE REVISED TO REFLECT THE CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, TONIGHT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE ROOF, UH, UH, FORM IS APPROPRIATE. 
          TYPICALLY WE SEE ROOF IS ROOFS THAT, UH, HAVE PITCHES. 
          THIS IS A FLAT ROOF. 
          AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, TO APPROVE THE LED LIGHTING. 
          SO TONIGHT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UH, AS SUBMITTED, UH, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, AND ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IF NECESSARY, OR DENY THE APPLICATION THERE IS THE SUGGESTED MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES THE DEVELOPER WANT TO PRESENT OR SPEAK TO ANYTHING? IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. 
          YOU'VE SPOKEN A LOT . 
          UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I DO I NEED TO COME UP IF I, I, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME UP IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AND THEN IT'S ON THE RECORD. 
          I JUST WANNA ADD THAT I HOPE, UM, WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, MANY OF YOUR CONCERNS ON THIS BUILDING. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES. 
          I HOPE, HOPEFULLY THIS TIME WE GOT IT RIGHT AND, UM, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER FLYNN, LET'S START WITH YOU. 
          NO, I, I HAD A LIST. 
          I HAD, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF FROM OUR ORIGINAL MEETINGS, OUR SEVERAL MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE, WE AT LEAST ADDRESSED YOU'VE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          SO I'LL SAY, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE THAN THAT. 
          SO COMMENTS? MINE'S ONLY THE ROOFTOP UNITS, THE HVAC UNITS ON THE ROOF SHOWING THAT THOSE ARE NOT SEEN, THOSE ARE HIDDEN FROM YOU. 
          BUT THAT'S 
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THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY, THEY DID PROVIDE THE HVAC INFO AND WITH ME BEING IN THAT BUSINESS, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO, UH, EITHER PUT IN THE MOTION OR, OR DIRECT STAFF THAT, UM, I THINK WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO YOU IF IT COMES DOWN TO C OF O AND THE UNITS CAN BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD AND THAT MEANS EVAN WAY AS WELL AS ONE 70, THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND YOU WON'T GET CAO AND ANYWAYS, THAT'S THAT. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? ADD YOURS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? I, I THINK, I THINK STAFF CAN MAKE SURE AT TIME OF IT'S PRETTY CLEAR AND IT'S IN THE CODE, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADD IT, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION. 
          I'LL BORROW WITH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? I MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THIS CVS WE HEARD WAS FIRST COMING HERE IN 2007, SO IT'S GETTING BILLS FOR NEW RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORS, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          [VII.1. Proposed Prioritization of Fiscal Year 2026 Capital Improvement Program Projects: A request
by the Town of Bluffton for recommendation of approval to Town Council of the FY2026
Capital Improvement Program. (Staff - Kimberly Washok-Jones)]
UM, NOW ON TO NEW BUSINESS. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IN NEW BUSINESS IS PROPOSED. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          PROPOSED PROPOSED PRIORITIZATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2026, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS. 
          A REQUEST BY THE, YOU DID THAT ON PURPOSE, DIDN'T YOU? NO, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          I PROMISED HER A REQUEST BY THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          UM, MS. KIMBERLY? YES, SIR. 
          SECOND, HERE WE GO. 
          MY PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION IN HELPING US AS STAFF PRESENT TO AND PRIORITIZE THE FISCAL YEAR 26 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS AS REQUIRED BY SOUTH CAROLINA REGULATIONS. 
          AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A SECOND. 
          SO THIS EVENING I JUST REALLY DID SUMMARIZE THAT OUR REQUEST FOR YOU AS A COMMISSION WILL BE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION FOR PRIORITIZATION OF OUR PROJECTS IN INCLUSION IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET. 
          THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS, AS I JUST STATED A SECOND AGO, THIS IS REQUIRED BY SOUTH CAROLINA CODE OF LAWS. 
          I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THE SECTIONS TO YOU. 
          YOU CAN AND IT'S IN THE MINUTES. 
          UM, THIS PARTICULAR CODE OF LAW SECTION REQUIRES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE BOTH THE POWER AND DUTY TO PREPARE AND RECOMMEND FOR ADOPTION TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT SETS FORTH THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT THE PLANS WHICH HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, SUCH AS COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, MAY, RIVER WATERSHED, ACTION PLAN, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, ET CETERA. 
          THIS ALSO INCLUDES SETTING FORTH AN ANNUAL LISTING OF A PRIORITY PUBLIC PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF YOU TONIGHT IS TO REVIEW THE CIP PROJECT LIST AND THE PRIORITIES THAT STAFF HAS SUBMITTED AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BY AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THIS PRIORITIZED LIST TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          THEN COUNCIL WILL TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION PLANNING, COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND SETTING THE CIP PROJECT PRIORITIES AS PART OF THE 26TH BUDGET, WHICH BEGINS JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. 
          FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, UM, WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DELVE INTO, AND AGAIN, JUST AS BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECTS, THESE ARE LARGE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT MAY SPAN A NUMBER OF FISCAL YEARS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          PERSONALLY, I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF THESE IN MY NEARLY 18 YEARS, UH, WITH THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON IN APRIL THAT TAKE TIME NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR SCOPE, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR FUNDING AND FUNDING SOURCES AND ALSO AS PERMIT CHANGES ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE. 
          AND, UM, AS WE ALL CAME THROUGH, THANKFULLY THE PANDEMIC AND SEEING SUPPLY CHAIN DEMANDS, IT CAN AFFECT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULES. 
          SO THIS IS WHY SOMETIMES WE SEE, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS CARRY ON FOR A NUMBER OF FISCAL YEARS. 
          SO WHAT I'M GONNA PRESENT TO YOU IN A MOMENT ARE THOSE PROJECTS WHICH WILL BE COMPLETED OR SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WILL END JUNE 30TH. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE ONES THAT ESPECIALLY NEED YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS EVENING FOR PRIORITIZATIONS ARE THE NEW PROJECTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. 
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AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, WRAP UP, UM, A, A FULL ON BUDGET AND CARRY OVER FOR THE 25 PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PROGRESS AND, AND THESE ADDITIONAL NEW PROJECTS FOR FISCAL YEARS. 
          IT'S NOT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE IT, IT'S THANKFULLY NOT RANK ORDER PRIORITIZATION. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR A HIGHER PRIORITY TO A HIGH PRIORITY. 
          UH, THEY'RE ONE OR TWO. 
          SO PLEASE NOTE THAT SECOND BULLET STATEMENT. 
          AGAIN, WE ARE NOT LISTING THESE PROJECTS, THANK GOODNESS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT WHAT, 38 39 OF THEM. 
          WE ARE NOT LISTING THEM IN RANK ORDER. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING THEY'RE EITHER IN CATEGORY ONE OR CATEGORY TWO FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROBABLY HAVE YOUR PACKETS, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          AND IF IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO BOUNCE OUT OF THIS POWERPOINT AND PULL UP A PDF OF THE STAFF REPORT, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO. 
          WHAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU RIGHT NOW ARE THE 2025 PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLETED OR WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          IN TOTAL THERE ARE EIGHT. 
          THEY SPAN FROM TOWN HALL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE DID SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS UPFRONT, UM, FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          THE SQUIRE POPE CARRIAGE HOUSE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW THE WELCOME CENTER FOR THE TOWN OSCAR FRAZIER SPLASH PAD, WHICH IS GETTING READY TO REOPEN VERY SOON. 
          UH, NOW THAT WE'RE NEARING TRUE SPRINGTIME, UH, NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE PARK, SOME MORE STREET LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH DOT AND DOMINION TO GET INSTALLED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          BOUNDARY STREET LIGHTING IS COMPLETED. 
          BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS, SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION AND CONNECTION. 
          PHASE FIVE IS COMPLETED AS WELL AS WE'LL HAVE UNDERWAY THE MAY RIVER WATERSHED ACTION PLAN, IMPERVIOUS RESTORATION PROJECT, WHICH IS PART OF THE PRITCHARD STREET STREET SCAPES PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE UNDER CON UM, UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE'RE HOPING RIGHT AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WILL CARRY INTO 26 AS AS SOME OF THE PERMITTING IS EFFECTIVENESS. 
          SO AGAIN, PROJECTS COMPLETED SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED. 
          THIS YEAR WE'RE TAKING EIGHT OFF THE ROLE, 25 PROJECTS IN PROGRESS AND THAT WILL EXTEND INTO 26. 
          YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN TOTAL 36 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. 
          UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A, A SKIP. 
          IT GOES 36 39, THE MAY RIVER ROAD, LAST ONE MAY RIVER ROAD PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, UM, HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT AS, AS A PRIORITY TOO, AND IS AT THE BOTTOM. 
          AND IT HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED A TRUE PROJECT NUMBER YET AS IT'S NOT IN THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU HAVE ITEMS, WHICH IS YOUR NUMBER, PROJECT NUMBER, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT VERY LAST ONE DOES NOT YET HAVE A PROJECT NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S NOT FUNDED YET. 
          THE THING THAT I REALLY WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU HERE, AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT'S NAME, THE NEW PROJECTS HAVE NEW LISTED AFTER THEM AND IT TELLS YOU WHAT STRATEGIC PLAN, FOCUS AREA THEY ADDRESS, WHAT A SHORT DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THAT PROJECT WILL BE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY FOR THESE ONES THAT ARE CARRYING FORWARD FROM 25, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE PREVIOUS PRIORITIZATION HAS BEEN BY BOTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL. 
          ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU FEEL STRONGLY AND WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO CHANGE A PRIORITIZATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, FLIPPING A ONE TO A TWO OR TWO TO A ONE, REALLY WHAT WE NEED YOU TO FOCUS ON ARE THESE DASHED ONES THAT HAVE NOT, THAT ARE NEW, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY PRIORITIZED. 
          BEFORE I MOVE ON FROM THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, IS THERE ANY QUESTION OR DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A WAY YOU WANT ME TO PULL THIS UP DIFFERENTLY TO TAKE A LOOK OR HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT PRIOR? QUICK QUESTION. 
          I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED WHEN I ASKED BEFORE, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, WHAT PROJECTS, IF ANY, WERE REMOVED FROM THIS INCIDENT, THESE GUYS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED? WAS ANYTHING TAKEN OFF THE LIST OR NO? UM, TO MY LIMITED MEMORY WITH A BRAIN INJURY, SO I LEGITIMATELY HAVE A LIMITED MEMORY . 
          UM, I WAS NOT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS I WAS IN REHAB LAST YEAR, THE YEAR PRIOR TO THAT. 
          WHAT I RECALL IS PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED FOR THIS COVE SKIDS TO BE REMOVED AND THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY WERE REMOVED THEN. 
          IF THIS WAS, IF THIS IS 26 THEN WE WERE 25. 
          THAT 
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WOULD'VE BEEN BACK IN 24 FISCAL YEAR 24 PROJECTS AS THAT'S A SWEAR WORD TO MOST PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN. 
          SO YEAH, NOTICE THEY ARE NOT ON HERE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? MM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU FOCUS ON. 
          THESE ARE THE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FROM STAFF FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION BEGINNING IN 26. 
          AGAIN, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY WILL WRAP UP IN 26, BUT AT LEAST INITIATE THE FUNDING TO BEGIN TO DO FEASIBILITY STUDIES. 
          PLANNING AND DESIGN PERMITTING AND MOVING FORWARD DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WE'RE TALKING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE IS MORE WORK OUT AT THE BARN PARK, THE NEW RIVERSIDE BARN PARK, INCLUDING A PAVILION OUT IN THE LAWN AREA, RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS A LARGE PARK THAT REQUIRES MAINTENANCE, FREQUENTLY PUBLIC SERVICES NEEDS A FACILITY THERE JUST TO BE EFFICIENT AND RESPONSIVE. 
          SO BUILDING, UM, A PUBLIC SERVICES BUILDING THERE. 
          AND THEN POTENTIALLY, UM, LOOKING INTO A DESIGN OF PUBLIC SERVICES EXPANSION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WATERSHED FACILITY. 
          UM, LOOKING INTO DESIGNING MORE THE BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, WHICH WAS A NEED THAT AROSE FROM THE BUCK ISLAND SIMMONS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY, THE TOWN RECENTLY PURCHASED AT ONE 40 BUCK ISLAND ROAD, ESSENTIALLY OPPOSITE EAGLES FIELD, UM, SOUTH OF THE PARKWAY. 
          AND THEN ADDITIONALLY MORE OUT AT NEW RIVERSIDE BARN PARK. 
          IF, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY, PHASE TWO ADDITIONAL TRAILS AND LOOKING INTO THE FEASIBILITY OF DISC GULF. 
          AND THEN WE MOVE INTO MAY RIVER WATERSHED ACTION PLAN PROJECTS FOR IMPERVIOUS RESTORATION PROJECTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT IRP STANDS FOR. 
          SO SPECIFICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRITCHARD ELEMENTARY, MCCRACKEN MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND BLUFFTON MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND TRYING TO GET SOME OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SURFACES AROUND THESE SCHOOLS RESTORED TO BE PERMEABLE. 
          ALL TOLD, WHEN WE PUT THESE NEW PROJECTS IN WITH EXISTING PROJECTS AND WE BEGIN TO DO OUR FIVE YEAR PROJECTIONS, YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE ESTIMATES. 
          CLEARLY WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE SPENT PREVIOUSLY, THEN THE PRIOR YEARS. 
          WE HAVE ESTIMATES FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 26 AND THEN ESTIMATES FOR SOME PROJECTS INTO 27. 
          SOME WE KNOW COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH YEAR FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          THEY WANT $500,000 EACH YEAR MINIMUM FOR LAND ACQUISITION. 
          AND SO FOR THOSE THAT WE KNOW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND POPULATE, POPULATE THAT INFORMATION. 
          BUT IN GENERAL, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, ABOUT $27 MILLION IN CAPITAL, UM, FUNDING, THAT'S THE WORD I WANT. 
          $27 MILLION IN CAPITAL FUNDING FOR FY 26, OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UM, DESIGN COST, MATERIALS, COST, CONSTRUCTION COSTS, WHAT HAVE YOU, PERMITTING. 
          BUT JUST TO GIVE FOLKS AN IDEA IN GENERAL, OVER FIVE YEARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 80 AND CHANGE, 86 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OVER FIVE YEARS IN TOWN OF BLUFFTON INVESTMENTS INTO ITS ASSETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO BETTER THE COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK AS WE TALK ABOUT IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE, HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE'S. 
          UM, INFORMATION, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, WE HAVE A STORY MAP, A CIP STORY MAP AND THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. 
          IT'S WITHIN, UM, THE DATA SHEETS THEMSELVES OR WITHIN THE PACKET THAT'S POSTED ONLINE IN THE AGENDA CENTER. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU GO TO THIS WEBSITE, IT'LL TAKE YOU TO UPDATED INFORMATION ON WHERE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED AND THEIR CURRENT STATUS. 
          BUT HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE THESE 30 ISH, 36 PROJECTS ARE LOCATED AND THEIR DISTRIBUTION. 
          THE INSET IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IF I CAN FIND MY MOUSE, IT WENT AWAY ANYWAY, OVER IN THIS IT, WHOOPS, UH, IT'S A TOUCH SCREEN MM-HMM . 
          UH, UPPER LEFT CORNER INSET OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE TOWN'S JURISDICTION. 
          SPECIFICALLY, IF YOU LOOK ALONG MAY RIVER ROAD, THE TYPE, UM, CLUSTERING OF NUMBERS OF 6, 5, 14, 19 ARE ALL PROJECTS GOING ON AND THE NEW RIVERSIDE BARN PARK AREA. 
          BUT 
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WE LIKE TO JUST SHOW THE DISTRIBUTION TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE EVERYWHERE. 
          PROJECT CRITERIA THAT STAFF HAS EVALUATED. 
          UM, THERE IS NO HARD AND FAST FOR HOW YOU PRIORITIZE, BUT SOME CRITERIA THAT IS GIVEN AS GUIDANCE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU, YOU'RE SICK OF HEARING ME SPEAK, BUT ARE THERE LEGAL MANDATES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL OR STATE LEVEL? CLEARLY THE FISCAL AND BUDGET IMPACTS, THIS IS PART OF, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS COUNSEL SETTING THE BUDGET FOR 26, HEALTH AND SAFETY IMPACTS, ENVIRONMENTAL AESTHETIC AND SOCIAL EFFECTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS AND RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER PROJECTS. 
          SO THIS EVENING WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS BEFORE YOU, YOU CAN APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 26 PRIORITIZATION AS SUBMITTED OR, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WHAT'S SUBMITTED IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE. 
          IF YOU WANNA CHANGE THAT AND, UM, OR APPROVE THE 26 PRIORITIZATION WITH REVISIONS. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT IS COME BACK HERE, CAN YOU ALL SEE THIS WELL ENOUGH AND AT YOUR LEVEL TO TELL ME IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE PREVIOUS PRIORITIZATIONS OR ARE THERE ANY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE? AND, AND I CAN READ DOWN 30 OF THEM IF YOU WANT ME TO. 
          AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS IN GENERAL, IF THE CONSENSUS IS YOU'RE HAPPY TO LET PREVIOUS PRIORITIZATION STAND, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND FOCUS ON THE NEW ONES. 
          I MEAN, PREVIOUS IS PRETTY MUCH PREVIOUS SERIOUS. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL GOOD. 
          THAT NOBODY'S FEELING A BURNING NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ONCE, TWICE AND GONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT BRINGS US TO THESE EIGHT. 
          UM, THEY ARE LISTED IN THE, AGAIN, NOT RANK ORDER, BUT IN THE ORDER OF ONES AND TWOS FROM STAFF, FROM WANT PROJECT ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS NEW RIVERSIDE BARN PARK EVENT PAVILION FACILITY PROJECT NUMBER 0 0 0 6 DOWN THROUGH ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PARK PROJECT ZERO ZERO, BLESS YOU. 
          PARK ZERO P 0 0 1 1. 
          NEW RIVERSIDE BARN PARK, PHASE TWO TRAILS AND DISC GULF STAFF IS PROPOSING ONE ITEM ONE THROUGH FIVE AS A PRIORITY ONE AND ITEM SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT AS PRIORITY TWO AS THEY DEAL WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE WANT TO FORMALIZE AN AGREEMENT FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE THESE FORWARD. 
          AND THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION. 
          NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT, THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S SOME SOME FEW PRE-STEPS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, MONEY IN THE CIP BUDGET IS THERE FOR THESE IS ANYTHING BEING BONDED? THAT'S A FINANCE QUESTION, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT WE DO, I, AND I I DON'T MEAN MEAN TO FLIPPANT, BUT NO, FOR THE MONEY PART OF IT, THAT IS TRULY NOT ONE OF THE CONCERNS OR CRITERIA THAT WE TAKE AT THIS LEVEL. 
          THAT OCCURS AT A HIGHER, AT A HIGHER LEVEL BETWEEN FINANCE AND THE FINAL BUDGET. 
          FORMALIZATION AND PROPOSAL FOR COUNCIL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, YES. 
          THE BUDGET IS IS THEM NOT US. 
          AND I FORGOT THAT. 
          SO, AND I DON'T MEAN TO, I DON'T MEAN TO I COME, COME ACROSS THAT WAY. 
          NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          FOR WHAT FINANCE D DETERMINES NEEDS OR MAY REQUIRE OUR A BOND, THEY, THEY WILL TELL US THAT, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OUR ROLE IN THIS IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THESE PROJECTS MAKE SENSE FOR THE TOWN. 
          UM, WHETHER THEY'RE A HIGHER PRIORITY OR A LOWER PRIORITY. 
          YES SIR. 
          WHETHER WE AGREE WITH STAFF OR WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE. 
          SO, UM, IF WE COULD, ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE PROJECTS AND HOW THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THEM? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, KIM. 
          SURE. 
          UM, THE LAST THREE ARE PRIORITY 2, 6, 7, 8, THEY'RE ALL SCHOOLS. 
          IS THAT, IS THERE A REASON WHY THOSE ARE PRIORITY TWO? IS THERE COORDINATION WITH BEFOR COUNTY? YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PUT 'EM AS TWO AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          NO, I'M HAPPY TO CALL IT BACK OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT. 
          BUT THERE IS, UM, SOME FORMALITIES THAT THE, WHETHER IT'S A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OR A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT AS STAFF, WE FEEL, AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPROACH AS WELL, MUST BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE SPEND SUBSTANTIAL FUNDS AND FINAL DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN PERMITTING. 
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AND THEN WE GET THERE AND THEY GO, NO. 
          SO THAT'S WHY. 
          GREAT. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I WILL SAY I LOVE SEEING, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THERE. 
          THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO US YEARS AGO AS A 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT GOT SHOT DOWN. 
          AND TO SEE THE TOWN BUY IT AND TURN IT INTO A PARK, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED ALL ALONG, IS PHENOMENAL. 
          SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A ONE PLUS PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF THAT'S A THING. 
          UH, WHAT WHAT SHOULD WE DO AT THIS POINT? DO YOU WANT A FORMAL VOTE OR AN INDICATION? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? A REMINDER, IF WE GO TO THE, WHEN WE GO TO THE RECOMMENDED MOTION AND IT'S AS STAFF PRESENTS, WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING BEEN PRIORITIZED. 
          Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN THIS IS STAFF PRESENTATIONS NEXT YEAR WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND WE WILL PUT THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION COLUMN ON THERE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS. 
          KEEP FORGETTING IT'S TOUCH SCREEN. 
          UH, AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER ONE, ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE ARE PRIOR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING PRIORITY 1, 6, 7, AND EIGHT. 
          AGAIN, DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDING PRIORITY TWO SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT AGREEMENT IN PLACE FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE INTO FINAL DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN AND PERMITTING. 
          AND DO WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDED MOTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          DO WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE WAY YOU JUST MENTIONED MEANING, UH, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, DOES THAT AS WE PRESENTED AS STAFF RECOMMENDS OR AS SUBMITTED WOULD CATCH THAT, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          AS SUBMITTED. 
          OKAY. 
          RACHEL? I, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE THE I MOVE TO ADOPT ESTIMATE MY STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SINCE YOU ASKED, I ASKED QUESTION, I MOVED TO . 
          I, I MOVED TO ADOPT THE PRIORITIZATION LIST OF PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROJECT, THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AND MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOVELY. 
          SEE YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY, SECOND 
          [VII.2. 32 Bruin Road (Development Plan Application): A request by Daniel Keefer of Witmer Jones
Keefer, Ltd., on behalf of James Atkins of ABPAL, LLC for approval of a Preliminary
Development Plan. The project proposes two commercial lots, including an existing office and
a maximum 1,200 SF accessory structure on Lot 1, and an approximate 3,000 SF two-story
office/retail build and maximum 1,200 SF accessory structure on Lot 2, parking and associated
infrastructure. The property is zoned Neighborhood General - Historic District (NC-HD) and
consists of approximately 1.22 acres identified by tax map number R610 039 000 0274 0000
and located on the corner of Bruin Road and Pritchard Street. (DP-12-24-019469) (Staff - Dan
Frazier)]
ITEM ON NEW BUSINESS. 
          I THINK A COUPLE PEOPLE ARE WAITING FOR THIS 32 BRUIN ROAD DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION. 
          A REQUEST BY DANIEL KEEFER OF WHITMER JONES KEEFER LIMITED ON BEHALF OF JAMES ATKINS OF A-B-P-A-L-L-L-C FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THE PROJECT PROPOSES TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS, INCLUDING AN EXISTING OFFICE AND A MAXIMUM 20 TRY AGAIN. 
          1200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON LOT ONE AND APPROXIMATE 3000 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY OFFICE RETAIL BUILD AND MAXIMUM 1200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON LOT TWO PARKING AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.22 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP NUMBER IN THE PACKET AND LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF BRUIN ROAD AND PRICHARD STREET. 
          MR. FRAZIER. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 32 BRUIN ROAD. 
          IT'S A REQUEST BY DAN KEFFER, WHITMER JONES KEFFER FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IT IS A 1.22 ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT'S LOCATED SOUTHEAST AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BRUIN ROAD AND PRITCHARD STREET. 
          WITHIN THE OLD TOWN OF HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TWO COMMERCIAL LOTS. 
          UH, FIRST LOT HAS AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING CORD, ATKINS OFFICE BUILDING ON IT, AND A MAXIMUM 1200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          LOT TWO HAS A WOULD WOULD'VE A PROPOSED 3000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY OFFICE RETAIL BUILDING AND A MAXIMUM 1200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          HERE IS THE LOCATION AS MENTIONED, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRITCHARD STREET AND BRUIN ROAD. 
          IT IS ON AN AERIAL SUBJECT. 
          PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE UDO AND WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMITS, SUBMITTAL, UH, TOTAL OF 29 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING 45 PARKING 
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SPACES, INCLUDING 16 SHARED PARKING SPACES AND THE SITE PLAN. 
          THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT SITE PLAN MEETS A 75% TREE CANOPY REQUIREMENT. 
          STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WERE REVIEWED AT THE JANUARY 8TH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A RESUBMITTAL INCLUDING A RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025 THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          UH, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN WITH THE EXISTING OFFICE. 
          BEHIND THE EXISTING OFFICE IS THE, IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE CARRIAGE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S A SUBDIVISION LINE SHOWN ON THE PROPERTY DIVIDING BETWEEN LOT ONE AND TWO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ALSO SERVE AS A 22 FOOT ACCESS EASEMENT SO THAT THAT ACCESS CAN SERVE BOTH LOTS. 
          UM, UP FRONT ON BRUIN ROAD IS, IS THE, UH, FRONT 3000 PROPOSED 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WOULD BE ON THE SECOND LOT CREATED AND SIMILAR TO THE FIRST LOT, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE BACK WITH MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 1200 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER PICTURE OF THE SITE PLAN THAT I CAN COME BACK TO, UH, IF YOU GUYS NEED ME TO. 
          AND, AND IT HAS A PARKING SUMMARY TO, TO THE RIGHT OF IT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THIS IS THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT IS USED. 
          IT'S THE REMINDER THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION. 
          YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. 
          YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS. 
          YOU CAN TABLE THE APPLICATION OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UDO ARE MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, I CAN RETURN BACK. 
          I THINK WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAD TO DO WITH, WITH WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. 
          UH, THAT IS THE LAYOUT. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE EXIST EXISTING. 
          UH, THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING BEHIND IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM 800 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOOTPRINT UP TO A 1200 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE. 
          THAT LOT. 
          TWO WOULD BE EITHER A LIVE WORK SIDE YARD OR A SMALL COMMERCIAL LOT. 
          UM, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FIRST FLOOR SHELL THAT WOULD CONTAIN RETAIL OFFICE OR RESTAURANT. 
          RESTAURANT. 
          REQUIRES LITTLE ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          THEY'VE PROVIDED THAT. 
          UM, AND BEHIND IT WOULD WOULD BE THE, UH, UH, AGAIN, A, A UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE, 1200 SQUARE FEET WITH A 800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. 
          SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK I AM JAMES ATKINS WITH AB PAL. 
          THAT'S OUR KIDS INITIALS. 
          IT'S JUST OUR REAL ESTATE HOLDING COMPANY FOR CORD ATKINS ARCHITECTS AND CORD ATKINS INTERIORS. 
          UM, WAIT, HOW MANY KIDS DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE TWO. 
          I HAVE THREE. 
          SORRY, I LOST MY, MY BUSINESS PARTNER HAS TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANABEL, BENJAMIN, PHILIP, AUDREY AND LIRA. 
          I GOT THE NAMES RIGHT. 
          NO, SO ANYWAY, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT BARNACLE CUT LANE AND WE DID SUBMIT AN EXHIBIT TO TOWN STAFF 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH TABBY RHODES ABOUT THAT. 
          THERE'S, IT WAS DONE, THIS KIND OF THINGS HAPPENED BACK IN OLD BLUFFTON DAYS. 
          THERE'S NO, UM, EASEMENTS OR ANYTHING ON OUR PROPERTY GIVING THEM ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY AND THROUGH IT. 
          AND THEY HAVE, WELL HE OWNED THE RESTAURANT AND TABBY ROSE, HE DIDN'T NEED AN ACCESS EASEMENT . 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE, UH, UH, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH HIM AND WE SUBMIT AN EXHIBIT SHOWING HOW THAT COULD BE DONE ON OUR PROPERTY SIDE SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO AMEND THEIR MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF KIND OF, UH, CLOSING THAT OFF IN TALKING TO TOWN STAFF. 
          UM, THEY THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE BEST TO COME AS A SUBMITTAL FROM TABBY ROADS. 
          SO WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT EXHIBIT AS WELL AS A LETTER SUPPORTING, UM, THE, THE CLOSURE OF BARNACLE CUT LANE TO TABBY ROADS AND WORKING WITH PATRICK, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA OVER THERE TO PREPARE THOSE SUBMISSIONS. 
          'CAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE TRYING TO ALSO CLOSE OFF ANOTHER ROAD. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT IS ACTIVE WILL LIKELY COME IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT WE FELT LIKE A, A LOT SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THEN SOMETHING OF THAT CONSEQUENCE PROBABLY SHOULD BE SEPARATE SUBMITTALS. 
          SO WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM TOWN STAFF AND PROVIDED WHAT WAS NEEDED TO TAP YOUR ROADS, UM, TYPE OF BUSINESS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS WHOLE JOURNEY STARTED WITH CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN STAFF ABOUT EXPANDING OUR EXISTING BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND THEY KINDLY SAID THAT WAS NOT 
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POSSIBLE BASED UPON THE, UH, ORDINANCES. 
          AND SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, TO PRESERVE GROWTH FOR OUR BUSINESSES. 
          UM, BUT AB PAL IS BUILDING THIS AS A SHELL BUILDING THAT WE'LL GROW INTO. 
          UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT WE'LL LEASE PORTIONS OF THIS IN THE INTERIM UNTIL WE GROW INTO IT. 
          UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WE HAVE INTERIORS BUSINESS LIKELY WE GET SOFAS AND PILLOWS AND CHAIRS AND FABRICS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, WITH THAT THOUGH, WE'VE RECOGNIZED THAT, UM, THERE'S AN OLD SHED BACK THERE THAT WAS KIND OF PUT THERE WITH NO APPROVALS. 
          THERE'S SOME DUMPSTERS THAT ARE JUST KIND OF FLOATING OUT THERE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, MEETING WITH, MAYBE GO BACK TO THAT PLAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          UH, MEETING WITH, UM, TABBY ROADS AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT, UH, ONE A ACTUALLY WILL BE DESIGNED LIKE A CARRIAGE HOUSE. 
          UH, THAT'LL BE OUR NEW STORAGE BUILDING. 
          IT'LL GET RID OF THE OLD SHED THAT'S BACK THERE, UH, CLEAN UP THAT VIEW FROM THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND THEN WITH THAT, WE'LL ACTUALLY DO A DUMPSTER EN ENCLOSURE ON THAT SIDE TO PUT, UH, UH, RECYCLING AND CARDBOARD. 
          AND WE'VE GOT PALLETS AND I MEAN, IT'S A SERVICE YARD, BUT IT'S NOT SCREENED, IT'S . 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME THINGS TO, YOU KNOW, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          AND, UM, A COUPLE OF THOSE PROPERTIES LOOK KIND OF RIGHT DOWN INTO IT. 
          SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD OPPORTUNITY. 
          TWO A, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL EVER HAPPEN, BUT AGAIN, SHOW IT ON THE MASTER PLAN TO KIND OF PRESERVE IT. 
          AND THEN TWO IS THE PRIMARY, UM, GOAL HERE. 
          UH, SO WE'RE BUILDING IT AS A SHELL BUILDING AND THEN WE'LL LIKELY UPFIT IT, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON OUR NEEDS. 
          AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS STAYING, NOTHING'S, WE'RE NOT DEMOING IT OR ADDING ONTO IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'LL STILL BE A, A NICE HISTORIC LANDMARK IS THE OLD BLUFFTON POST OFFICE. 
          AND WE LOVE THE BUILDING AND WE WERE BLESSED WITH 40 PLUS PARKING SPACES WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS UNUSUAL. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL CREATE SOME SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS AND EVERYONE WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER TOGETHER. 
          AND UTILITIES, SEWER OF WATER, IT'S ALL SITTING RIGHT OUT THERE ON THE SITE, SO IT'S KIND OF A WIN-WIN. 
          SO I THINK I ADDRESSED THE QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE THAT MAY COME UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSION, UM, THERE IS NOT A CLOSING OF THE ROAD SUGGESTED WITH THIS APPLICATION, ALTHOUGH WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT ROAD PRESENTS ITSELF TO THE LOT NOW AND WHETHER THERE'S ACCESS, UH, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING CLOSING VERSUS LEAVING OPEN THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SEPARATE. 
          UM, WE'LL START AT THIS TIME, THIS TIME. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE. 
          UM, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE GOOD ON YOUR TREE COVERAGE, BUT I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT WHEN YOU ARE USING TREES ON ANOTHER PROPERTY TO COUNT TOWARDS YOUR CANOPY, IF THOSE COULD BE SHOWN ON THE SURVEY SO WE KNOW WHAT TREES THEY ARE AND HOW BIG THEY ARE WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, SORRY, YOU WERE PRESENTING THIS AND JUST HAD A MEMORY OF, UH, MYSELF AS A 20 SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN WALKING HIS CHILDREN TO THAT POST OFFICE WHEN IT WAS POST OFFICE AND CHECKING OUR MAIL. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A PART OF TOWN FOREVER IN THE OLD MYRTLES RESTAURANT AND Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN CARE OF IT NOW. 
          UM, I I DO HAVE A QUESTION, DAN, AS THAT ROAD RELATES TO THE PROPERTY, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACCESS, YOU MIGHT GET INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          RICHARDSON IS THAT ROAD HAS BEEN THERE, PEOPLE HAVE HAD ACCESS FOR YEARS UPON YEARS, AND NOW WE SEE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S NOT ALLOWING ACCESS FROM THAT ROAD THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. 
          SHOULD WE BE REQUIRING AN EASEMENT? ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES, UM, THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP THAT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING EASEMENT OF RECORD. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT AN EASEMENT BY LAW THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS. 
          YOU CAN CREATE EASEMENTS BY, BY PLAT. 
          UH, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER EASEMENTS THAT COULD EXIST. 
          WHAT YOU, UM, I, I'M JUST, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE SAME, I WAS TRYING TO ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH BARNACLE CUT ROAD WHEN YOU'RE NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO REMAIN OPEN OR BE CLOSED? BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROCESS AND THE MASTER PLAN WAS OBVIOUSLY APPROVED BASED ON BARNACLE CUT ROAD EXISTING AND WHATEVER THAT OTHER ROAD THAT THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING HAVING, UM, BEING REMOVED IS, I THINK, WELL THE PART OF THE REASON I ASK THIS IS AS IT RELATES TO THE GHOST ROADS. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHO JOIN A 
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GHOST ROAD THAT HAVE THOUGHT, NOW I DIDN'T, BUT A LOT OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS THINK THAT THAT HAS BEEN THEIR PROPERTY FOR YEARS. 
          AND THE TOWN HAS TAKEN A POSITION THAT THE GHOST ROADS ARE A PART OF THE TOWN. 
          IS THIS A DEFACTO, I KNOW IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL ONE, BUT IS THIS THE SAME TYPE OF THING WHERE IT'S A DEFACTO ACCESS THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD FOR YEARS? YEAH. 
          AND ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT THEIR GHOST ROADS GONNA USE THIS AS A YOU? YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? I DO. 
          AND THIS IS ALL JUST OCCURRING TO ME. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A, A PAIN IN THE BUTT, BUT YEAH, THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE GHOST ROADS IS GHOST ROADS ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE PUBLICLY HAVE BEEN USED BY THE PUBLIC IN THE PAST. 
          THIS HAS BEEN USED BY THE PUBLIC IN THE, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND. 
          I I THINK FROM A A LEGAL STANDPOINT, A DISTINCTION CAN BE MADE, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, AND THE LAW DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK IN PRACTICALITIES. 
          UM, I CAN CERTAINLY SEE HOW THAT ARGUMENT HOLDS, HOLDS KIRSTEN WHITE, THAT THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A RUN OF WAY THAT'S BEEN USED BY THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S BEEN, UM, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION WHEN THE FOLKS DEVELOPED ON EITHER SIDE OF IT THAT THEY WOULD REMAIN A ROAD. 
          UH, BUT IT IS PRIVATE. 
          IT, THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO REGULATE THE USE OF PRIVATE ROADWAYS IS LIMITED SOMEWHAT BY THE UDO AND BY THE OR ARE THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCES WE HAVE IN PLACE AND BY STATE LAW, I THINK IN THIS CASE OUT OF, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THIS, HOW TO ANSWER THIS FROM ONLY A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND NOT INJECT MY OWN, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS INTO THIS. 
          IF I WAS SITTING IN YOUR, YOUR SEAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANT TO SHOW EVEN, I'D WANNA SHOW THAT ACCESS CONTINUING TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND EASEMENT THERE. 
          UM, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT IS TERMINATED, BARN CUT ROAD IS TERMINATED, THE PARTIES CAN AGREE TO TERMINATE THAT ROAD AND IT CAN BE AN EASEMENT WITH THE OWNER'S ASSOCIATION. 
          I COULD SEE HOW YOU WOULD WANT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WITH THAT, THAT ACCESS. 
          BUT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, UM, WITHOUT THAT ROAD BEING SHOWN ON PRIOR PLATS, WITHOUT ANY EASEMENT BEING SHOWN ON PRIOR PLATS, IT'S WHETHER IT'S, IT'S A NECESSITY. 
          AND REALLY THE PERSON THAT IT WOULD SERVE IS THE OWNER OF THE EXISTING POST OFFICE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THEIR SITE AND THEY'RE THE OWNERS OF THE OTHER SITE AND SAYING, WE DON'T NEED THAT EASEMENT. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE IT SHOWN THERE. 
          WELL, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY, BUT, BUT HEAR ME OUT ON THIS. 
          WHEN, WHEN JERRY REEVES BUILT ALL THIS, HE PUT THAT ROAD IN THERE FROM TABBY ROADS SO PEOPLE WOULD'VE ACCESS TO HIS RESTAURANT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          NOW LET'S FAST FORWARD, LET'S SAY BUILDING TWO BECOMES A RESTAURANT. 
          OKAY? NOW PEOPLE IN TABBY ROADS WANT TO GET TO THAT RESTAURANT. 
          THEY WANNA HOP IN AND RIDE THEIR GOLF CART THERE. 
          WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT ON BRUIN ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT ON PRICHARD STREET. 
          AND SO WE'RE KILLING INTERCONNECTIVITY ALONG WITH SOME OTHER ISSUES. 
          SO I THINK INTERCONNECTIVITY IS, UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A FACTOR THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, IT'S, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THE ROAD. 
          YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING? I HOPE I DID. 
          YEAH, I DID. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK. 
          AND TABBY AND, AND, UH, MY APOLOGIES 'CAUSE UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH TABBY PATTY RHODES, BUT THIS IS A MA IT'S A MASTER PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YES. 
          AND IT SHOWS THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY THERE. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A RECORDED EASEMENT OR NOT. 
          IT MAY BE. 
          I WOULD BET I WOULD VERT VENTURE TO BET THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT THROUGH THIS SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY CREATE, UH, CUTTING OFF THE ACCESS TO THE MAIN LOT. 
          MY RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION PROBABLY WOULD BE TO HAVE SOMETHING SHOWN THERE IN EASEMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IN PERPETUITY. 
          BUT THE PARTIES CAN, CAN TERMINATE IT. 
          UM, IT, IT IS, IF THEY GO THROUGH THAT ROAD CLOSURE PROCESS, IT'S TERMINATED. 
          UM, OR THEY CAN, THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY TERMINATE THE EASEMENT WITH, UH, MUTUAL CONSENT. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT MAKES, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME TO SHOW IT. 
          WELL, RICHARDSON, IT'S NOT STRUGGLING FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AS TO HOW TO REQUIRE IT. 
          YOU, MY CONVERSATION HAS LED TO SOMEBODY STANDING UP IN THE CROWD. 
          I THINK YOU HEAR WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY FOR A SECOND. 
           YES. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY IT. 
          I JUST GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS FOR, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WHETHER IT CLOSES OR STAYS OPEN, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO US. 
          I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          YOU, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE GIVEN THAT TO TABBY ROADS BECAUSE TABBY ROADS HAS APPROACHED US THAT THEY, WHATEVER THAT THING IS, 
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IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM GETTING ACCESS TO OUR PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH OUR PROPERTY TO GET ACCESS TO THEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US. 
          AND SO WHAT WE HAVE SAID TO THEM IS, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT ENDEAVOR IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THAT PATHWAY. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'VE KIND OF NOTED IS THEY'RE HAVE, 'CAUSE THEY'RE PRIVATE ROOMS, THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM AND EVERYTHING AND THEY DON'T WANT, AND IT HAPPENS A LOT. 
          WE GET PEOPLE COMING AND PARKING IN OUR LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 
          THEY'VE HAD SOME BREAK-INS. 
          PEOPLE KIND OF, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT A, YOU KNOW, WE CLOSE AT SIX O'CLOCK AND MOST OF US LEAVE AT SIX BY THEN, BUT SOME PEOPLE STAY LATE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES WITH HEADLIGHTS AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND STUFF. 
          AND SO IT'S REALLY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHT OF THEM GETTING ACCESS TO THAT, BUT THEY'VE APPROACHED US 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH TO GET ACCESS TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY'D RATHER 'EM COME THROUGH THE MAIN GATES. 
          WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, AND I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T ENTERTAIN, UH, UH, QUESTIONNAIRES OR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          IT HAS IT LEGALLY. 
          IT HAS TO BE BETWEEN US AND THE DEVELOPER. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, A NUMBER OF US USUALLY STAY AFTER A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS. 
          UM, WE ARE TASKED WITH, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS WHEN WE'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, THE TOWN COUNCIL WHO WE SERVE AT THE WILL OF, HAS SAID REPEATEDLY THAT THEY WANT INTERCONNECTIVITY. 
          AND AT LEAST IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO, AND AND THE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU IS, WOULD YOU AS THE DEVELOPER BE OPPOSED TO HAVING A, AN ACCESS EASEMENT THERE THAT CAN BE CANCELED BY BOTH PARTIES? IF SO, UH, WE'RE OPEN FOR CONVERSATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'D, I'D, I'D BRING OUR LEGAL IN TO YEAH. 
          TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT'S WHY I SAID THE WORDS OPENS WORKING. 
          UH, NESTOR'S WORKED WITH US ON THIS AND YOU KNOW, WE, THERE ARE NO RECORDED EASEMENTS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION THERE AREN'T ON GREEN STREET EITHER, BUT I'M . 
          UM, YEAH. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE'RE SHOWING IT REMAINING OPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING AT NOW. 
          AND THEN THAT'S WHY TOWN STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ON ANOTHER DAY AND ANOTHER APPLICATION. 
          AND, AND THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS AT PLAY IN HERE. 
          TABBY ROADS IS PRIVATE ROADS. 
          UM, UH, BUT WE ARE TASKED WITH CONSIDERING WHAT COUNCIL SAYS, AND I THINK, RICHARDSON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF THESE ROADS WERE TO BE CLOSED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THAT'S A DECISION TO COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE NEED TO BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, SO THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL TO GET THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMENDMENT, NOT A MINOR AMENDMENT. 
          I THINK EFFECTIVELY BY, I I, I THINK EFFECTIVELY BY HAVING THIS ROAD TERMINATED AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION AS SHOWN AND YOU'VE SUBDIVIDED OUT WITHOUT AN EXTENSION, UH, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY REMOVING THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF ONE PARCEL, WHICH IS, YOU COULD ARGUE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN. 
          AND UNDER THAT BASIS, I THINK YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THE APPROVAL THAT A, THE EXTENSION OF THAT ROAD VIA THE ACCESS EASEMENT BE SHOWN TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION OF YOUR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. 
          YOU AGAIN, YOU HEAR ME SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. 
          I'M ONE OF MANY. 
          UM, HOW DOES THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FEEL ON THIS ISSUE? I SEE BOTH SIDES ACTUALLY. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT I, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT A DEVELOPER IS. 
          I MEAN, THEY, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE TABBY ROSE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS, UNLESS I'M NOT HEARING CORRECTLY, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY ANIMOSITY TO PUTTING IN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE. 
          UM, I MEAN I'M ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. 
          BUT LIKE US SAYING RICHARDSON AS WELL, I MEAN, JUST CLOSE IT OFF AND IN THE FUTURE, AND I DUNNO, I'M, I'M I I'D BE ALL RIGHT THE OTHER WAY. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THIS, THAT ROAD'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS SUBMISSION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO BOTTOM LINE TAVI ROADS HAS TO, IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE THAT AMENDMENT. 
          THIS PROJECT IS FOR THIS SUBMITTAL. 
          IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT. 
          UNDERSTAND THE INTERCONNECTIVITY THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SORRY FOR THE PUN, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW. 
          I HEAR WHAT YOURE SAYING FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THIS EFFECTIVELY CUTS THAT ROAD OFF. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND CHANGES WHAT COUNSEL HAS DIRECTED IS, IS, AND I UNDERSTAND WE MAY DISAGREE ON THIS AND THAT'S FINE. 
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THOUGHTS, THIS DOES NOT CUT OFF THE ROAD, THIS ROAD IN THIS APPLICATION, THAT ROAD IS STILL OPEN. 
          WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CLOSING IT. 
          TABBY ROADS IS PUTTING TOGETHER AN APPLICATION TO COME TO YOU TO PRESENT, TO CLOSE IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT, IF YOU SAY, YAY NAY WE WANT THIS AND THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ENTERTAIN CONVERSATIONS. 
          BUT IN THIS APPLICATION, THE, THE ROAD STAYS OPEN. 
          IT IS AS IT IS, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY SORT OF SITE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE PROVIDED OUR SUPPORT TO TABBY ROSE TO SAY IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE CLOSING IT OFF, WE WILL SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND THEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA COME IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED. 
          I DO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY, BUT, UM, LET'S FAST FORWARD FIVE YEARS AND YOU SELL THAT PROPERTY TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE THE WAY THIS DEVELOPMENT MAP IS DONE, THEY WOULD, AND RICHARDSON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUST SLAP A FENCE UP ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE THERE IS NO EASEMENT. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T PLAN ON SELLING IT, BUT THE, THE CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP CHANGES HANDS OR THE DECISION MAKING CHANGES HIS HAND OR CHANGES THAT EFFECTIVELY THE OWNER OF LOT TWO COULD CUT IT OFF CUT ROAD ACCESS TO LOT. 
          BECAUSE IF THERE ARE NO EASEMENTS OF RECORD, THEN YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT RIGHT OF ACCESS ACROSS BARN. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL SITUATION 'CAUSE INTERCONNECTIVITY IS USUALLY INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ROADWAY. 
          IT'S NOT INTERCONNECTIVITY INTO A LOT. 
          UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THIS WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS DESIGNED FOR A COMMERCIAL CORNER THAT WAS INTENDED AT LEAST THEORETICALLY REMAIN SO A PUBLIC AND HAVE A PUBLIC USE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT. 
          UM, IF YOU, IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO KEEP THAT ROADWAY AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CRITERIA A WAY TO DO SO THROUGH THE, UM, THE MASTER PLAN. 
          BECAUSE WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT, YOU NOW HAVE ONE LOT THAT NO LONGER IS SERVED BY THIS INTERCONNECTIVITY. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THIS LOT IS BY LEAVING THE SUBDIVISION AND EITHER GOING ON BRUIN OR BRIDGER. 
          SO YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT INTERCONNECTIVITY THAT WAS DESIGNED AND INTENDED BY THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, SO I THINK UNDER THAT BASIS YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THE APPROVAL THAT THAT ROAD BE SHOWN AS CONTINUING THE ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE PROPOSED PROPERTY ORDER. 
          THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU THINK THAT IT IS AN UNNECESSARY DBA OR AS A MINOR CHANGE AND IT'S NOT ESSENTIAL. 
          IT, IT IS, THIS ONE IS REALLY IN Y'ALL'S COURT AS TO WHAT YOU THINK, WHAT THE, WHAT THE CONSENSUS OR THE THREE TWO VOTE IS UP HERE AS TO WHETHER THAT ROADWAY NEEDS TO CONTINUE. 
          ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ENTERTAIN A, ALRIGHT, ONE QUESTION FOR SOMETIMES YOU CAN TALK TOO MUCH FOR CLARITY. 
          WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF TABBY RHODES THEN PRESENTS SOMETHING TO CLOSE IT OFF AND THEN IN THIS APPLICATION THERE'S BEEN SOME SORT OF MOTION TO PROVIDE ACCESS. 
          SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ACCESS AGREEMENT, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          THE CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN, BUT I THINK THE, IF HEAVY ROAD'S USED FORWARD FOR THE TERMINATION OF BARNACLE, YOU'D HAVE TO GET THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN AMENDED TO HAVE THAT REMOVED. 
          THAT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH TOWN COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND THEY'D WANT, YOU KNOW, EASEMENT, RIGHT? THE, THE TERMINATION OF EASEMENT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH TOWN COUNCIL, BUT THE TERMINATION OF ROAD OBLIGATION OF A MASTER PLAN TO ELIMINATE A ROAD WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL. 
          SO I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THEY COULD TURN IN THEORY, TERMINATE THEIR ACCESS RIGHTS, CHANGE THEIR EASEMENT. 
          SO NOBODY CAN USE THAT ROAD. 
          BUT IF THEY EVER WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT ROAD, OTHER THAN LEAVE IT AS A ROAD, UH, IF THEY WANT TO DO ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT OF IT OR THEY WANT TO EXTEND PROPERTY LINES OUT TO MEET THE ROAD, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, THEY'D HAVE TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR Y'ALL FOR PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO IT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE THE RIGHT WAY. 
          UM, THE YEAH, IT IS, IT IS REALLY, IT'S IN Y'ALL SCHOOL. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK WE'VE TALKED THIS OUT. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE 32 BRUIN ROAD PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? UH, WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS I THINK THIS IS A MISTAKE ON THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT TOWN COUNCIL HAS ENTRUSTED US WITH, 
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BUT, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          [VII.3. Parkway Corners (Initial Master Plan Application): A request by Jake Reed of University
Investments, LLC, for approval of an Initial Master Plan application for seven contiguous
parcels located Southwest of the intersection of Buckwalter Parkway and Bluffton Parkway
within the Buckwalter Planned Unit Development consisting of 114.55 acres that will include
21.7 upland acres of commercial/mixed use development and 47.0 upland acres of
medical/commercial development. (MP-01-25-019524) (Staff - Dan Frazier)]
NEXT ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE ON NEW BUSINESS PARKWAY CORNER'S. 
          INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION, A REQUEST BY JAKE REED OF UNIVERSITY INVESTMENTS LLC FOR APPROVAL OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION WAS SEVEN CONTIGUOUS PARCELS LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BUCK WALTER PARKWAY AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          WITHIN THE BUCK WALTER PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 114.55 ACRES, THAT WILL INCLUDE 21.7 UPLAND ACRES OF COMMERCIAL USE DEVELOPMENT AND 47.0 UPLAND ACRES OF MEDICAL SLASH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, MAP NUMBER AS SHOWN IN THE AGENDA. 
          UH, MR. FRAZIER. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THIS IS, UM, PARKWAY CORNER'S INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          UH, IT'S A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT WHO IS ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UNIVERSITY INVESTMENTS LLC FOR APPROVAL OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 114.5 ACRES. 
          IT'S OWNED BUCKWALTER, PUD, AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BUCKWALTER PARKWAY AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES 21.7 UPLAND ACRES OF COMMERCIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND 47 UPLAND ACRES OF MEDICAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS IS A PROJECT LOCATION, IT IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OUR TWO PARKWAYS. 
          HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SAME LOCATION. 
          I'VE, I'VE ALSO LABELED, UH, NORTHERN PORTION AND SOUTHERN PORTION ON THE AERIAL BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE, UH, UH, LAND USE TRACKS WITH TWO SEPARATE SETS OF, UH, PERMITTED USES. 
          NOW I'LL COME BACK TO THIS IN A SECOND. 
          TO FURTHER DESCRIBE THAT THE APPLICATION'S FOR AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BUCK WALTER PUD AND IS SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUCK WALTER PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS IDENTIFIED AS A COMMERCIAL LAND USE AREA WITHIN THE BUCKWALTER COMMONS LAND USE TRACK. 
          THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS WITHIN THE RECENTLY CREATED GRANDI OAKS COMMONS LAND USE TRACK, UM, WHERE THE ALLOWED USES ARE OUTLINED IN THE 13TH AMENDMENT TO THE BUCKWALTER PD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UH, I'LL DROP DOWN HERE FIRST. 
          UM, THE, IF YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR, THE 13TH AMENDMENT BROUGHT IN THE, THE HATCH PORTIONS HERE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS GRANDI OAKS COMMONS CREATED A LAND USE TRACK FOR GRANDIOSE OAKS COMMONS. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE 13TH AMENDMENT TO THE BUCKWALTER PUD AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LIST OF PERMITTED USES SPECIFIC TO THAT AREA. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO THE USES THAT, THAT ARE IN WHAT, WHAT I'M CALLING THE NORTHERN PORTION OF IT, WHICH IS ABOVE HERE. 
          SO IF I JUMP BACK REAL QUICK, UH, THE SOUTHERN PORTION IS WHAT WAS BROUGHT IN, ANNEXED IN AND BECAME A PART OF THE BUCK WALTER PD AS PART OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT TO THE BUCKWALTER PD. 
          THE NORTHERN PORTION HAD, HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THERE AND IT'S IN THE COMMON IN THE BUCKWALTER COMMONS LAND USE TRACK. 
          UH, DIMP IDENTIFIES SEVEN DEVELOPMENT AREAS LABELED AS AREAS A THROUGH G ACCESS POINTS AND EAST WEST SPINE ROAD AND WETLAND AND PRESERVATION AREAS IN DEVELOPMENT AREA G OF THE IMPA CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IS PROVIDED AND LABELED AS THE NOVANT SITE. 
          I'VE GOT A BIGGER PICTURE OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT JUST HAVE IT HERE FOR FOR, UH, FOR REFERENCE, THE NOVANT SITE IS THE ONLY AREA OF THE PROPOSED IMP THAT PROVIDES SPECIFIC DETAILS SUCH AS BUILDING LOCATION, PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND VEHICULAR INTERCONNECTIVITY. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AREAS A THROUGH G NOVANT SITE HAS, HAS A LANDSCAPE PLAN ON IT. 
          THE REST OF THE AREAS, UH, UM, DO, DO NOT HAVE THE SAME DETAIL THAT THAT IS SHOWN ON THE NOVANT SITE. 
          THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDES A CONCEPTUAL PLAN IDENTIFIED IDENTIFYING A MORE DETAILED LAYOUT FOR THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN AREA, WHILE THE IMP LACKS SOME OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING PROJECT AREA WIDE LOT SIZES, BUILDINGS, AND PARKING LOCATIONS, SETBACKS, BUFFERS, AND ROAD LOCATIONS IN WHICH THESE DETAILS ARE PROVIDED IN THE INSUFFICIENT DETAIL IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN PROVIDED IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THE SITE LAYOUT SHOWN ON THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS RECOGNIZED TO BE CONCEPTUAL NATURE AND SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BUCKWALTER PUD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALL SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENTS AND THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON 
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UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AT TIME OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTAL. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT THIS WAS SUBMITTED AS EXHIBIT G. 
          IT'S A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, IT WAS, IT'S PROVIDED AS PART OF THE PACKET. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THIS, THIS NOT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN, WHEN, UH, A SITUATION COMES UP OR WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER THE MASTER PLAN NEEDS TO BE AMENDED OR NOT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION SUBMITTED, UH, STAFF DISAGREES WITH THAT. 
          BUT FOR, AND, AND I'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL IN A SECOND, THE APP, UH, THE REST OF THE, THE APPLICATION, UH, THE COMPLETE SUBMITTAL BOOK BOOKLET PROVIDES A MASTER PLAN NARRATIVE, MASTER PLAN EXHIBITS, INCLUDING EXISTING CONDITIONS, TREE SURVEY, INITIAL MASTER PLAN, THE CONCEPT PLAN I JUST REFERRED TO. 
          AND THEN MASTER UTILITY PLANS FOR SEWER, WATER, DRAINAGE, WETLANDS, OPEN SPACE, AND THE ORIGINAL WILL SERVE LETTERS OF THE PUBLIC AGENCIES. 
          UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD ABOUT A 500 PAGE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET. 
          UH, SO, UM, SEVERAL, COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES OF IT WAS THIS APPLICATION HERE. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND SUBMITTED IT TO BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS BEAUFORT COUNTY HAS NOT YET PROVIDED A RESPONSE TO COMMENT, UH, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS USED IN THE TIA CLOSELY CORRESPOND WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          SO THE TIA HAS TO COME UP WITH TRIP GENERATIONS, AND THEY DID THAT BASED UPON A SITE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE T-A-T-I-A PREPARATION. 
          THAT SITE PLAN CLOSELY RESEMBLED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S INCLUDED IN, IN THIS PACKET. 
          UH, COMMENTS ON THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION WERE REVIEWED AT THE FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          A COMMENT RESPONSE LETTER WAS PROVIDED IN THE FEBRUARY 26TH, 2025 RESUBMITTAL. 
          ALL OF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THESE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA, ACTUALLY B THROUGH I I THINK IT COMES UP TO, TO NINE REVIEW CRITERIA. 
          UH, AS A REMINDER, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPLICATION TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          SO THIS IS AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COUNCIL OF THE APPLICATION AS IT'S SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL OF THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, OR YOU CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL TO TOWN COUNCIL OF THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, HERE WE ARE WITH THE APPROVAL PROCESS CALENDAR. 
          WE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2024. 
          UH, THEY, THEY MADE THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL JANUARY 6TH, 2025. 
          IT WENT TO DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY 12TH, 2025. 
          WE'RE HERE TONIGHT AT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL GO TO TOWN COUNCIL AT A DATE YET TO BE DETERMINED. 
          THERE ARE THREE OF THE NINE CRITERIA I SHOWED YOU, WHERE, WHERE STAFF HAS CONCERNS, UH, CRITERIA NUMBER THREE SAYS, UH, AS APPLICABLE CONSISTENCY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND OR PUD CONCEPT PLAN. 
          THE FINDING IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE BUCKWALTER PUD CONCEPT PLAN. 
          THE BUCKWALTER PD CONCEPT PLAN IDENTIFIES A FUTURE REALIGNMENT OF A PORTION OF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY WEST OF BUCKWALTER PARKWAY. 
          THAT IS NOT REFLECTED ON EITHER THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN OR THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          UH, SECOND CRITERIA IS, UM, COMPATIBILITY OF PROPOSED LAND USES DENSITIES, TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION AND DESIGN WITH ADJACENT LAND USES AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES, AS WELL AS THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF FINDS THAT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN LACKS A DETAIL REQUIRED TO ACCESS TO ASSESS THE COMPATIBILITY OF PROPOSED LAND USES DENSITIES, TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION AND DESIGN WITH ADJACENT LAND USES ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES. 
          WE DO FIND THAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED, UH, UH, DOES, DOES, UH, DOES CONTAIN THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. 
          UH, FINALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A THIRD CRITERIA THAT STAFF HAS AN ISSUE WITH. 
          IT IS THE ABILITY TO BE SER UH, THE CRITERIA IS ABILITY TO BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED TO WATER, SANITARY SEWER, ROADS, POLICE, FIRE, AND SCHOOL SERVICES. 
          FOR DEVELOPMENTS AT A POTENTIAL FOR SIGN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION OF THE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES. 
          IT CAN BE INTO SERVICES. 
          WHILE THE OVERALL APPLICATION DEMONSTRATES THAT THE PROPERTY CAN BE SERVED BY ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES, BY PROVIDING THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE EXHIBITS 
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THAT THEY HAD, THAT WHAT THEY DID SUBMIT WITH THE APPLICATION IS THE WILL SERVE LETTERS THAT, THAT, THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK 20 PLUS YEARS. 
          HAVING SAID ALL THAT, UH, THE THREE CRITERIA THAT I DISCUSSED, UH, WE COME LEAVES STAFF WITH RECOMMENDING THREE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          THE FIRST ONE BEING ALL PLAN EXHIBITS, INCLUDING THE INITIAL MASER PLAN, WHICH I SHOULD CALL MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THE CONCEPT PLAN SHALL BE UPDATED TO IDENTIFY A FUTURE REALIGNMENT OF THE PORTION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY WEST OF BUCKWALTER PARKWAY. 
          UH, CONDITION NUMBER TWO WOULD BE AT TIME OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN PERMIT APPLICATIONS, ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATES FROM THE APPROVED INITIAL MASTER PLAN OR CONCEPTUAL PLAN AS DETERMINED BY THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR, MAY WARRANT A MINOR OR MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          AND NUMBER THREE IS THAT WE ASK THAT, THAT THE, THE APPLICANT PROVIDE UPDATED WILL SERVE LETTERS AS PART OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION. 
          SO I HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION WHEN WE GET THERE AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM OR FOR ME? WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU, DAN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS NATHAN LONG. 
          I'M WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON. 
          UM, AS DAN MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO START WITH A FEW CLARIFICATIONS. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST, AS YOU'RE AWARE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE BUCK, WALTER PUD, SO THE BUCK, WALTER PUD ACTUALLY OUTLINES THE APPROVAL, THE REVIEW CRITERIA FOR INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND MASTER PLAN SUBMITTALS. 
          UM, IT'S IN SECTION 5.88. 
          UM, SO THAT IS HOW WE PREPARED OUR MASTER PLAN SUBMITTAL. 
          SO, SO FIRST OF ALL, IT'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAN WHAT'S LISTED IN THE NINE STEPS REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDO THAT DAN MENTIONED. 
          UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE UDO REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON THAT ARE NOT PART OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH DEFINED MASTER PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA. 
          THE SECOND CLARIFICATION, UM, IS EXHIBIT M, THAT THAT'S THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE DETAIL WITH PARKING LOTS AND BUILDINGS. 
          WE, WE SHOWED THAT AS IN, IN TALKING WITH STAFF AS A POTENTIAL ARRANGEMENT OF WHAT USES ON THE SITE COULD LOOK LIKE TO SHOW THAT IT COULD MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE U-D-U-D-O FOR WHEN WE GET TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          UM, AS WE WENT TO DRC, WE HAD FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND WITH OUR COMMENT RESPONSE BACK TO THE TOWN, EXHIBIT M WAS ACTUALLY REMOVED FROM THE MASTER PLAN APPLICATION. 
          THE THIRD CLARIFICATION IS THE FIVE B REALIGNMENT OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR MANY YEARS. 
          WE'VE SEEN THAT FOR MANY YEARS. 
          WE ACTUALLY MET WITH, MET WITH STAFF, UM, PROBABLY SIX MONTHS OR MORE AGO WHEN WE WERE CONTEMPLATING THE SUBMITTAL. 
          WE HAD PLANS SHOWING WE COULD SUBMIT IT WITH THE REALIGNMENT WITHOUT THE REALIGNMENT. 
          IT, IT WAS DECIDED THERE'S NO PLAN AT THE TIME. 
          THERE'S NO RIGHT OF WAY DEFINED. 
          THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS IN SUPPORT OF THE FIVE B ALIGNMENT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL VALUE TO THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO PLAN FOR THAT IF AT A TIME IT DOES OCCUR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY CAN'T SIT IDLY BY WHILE THEIR PROPERTY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE GOT THE NOVANT SITE'S A BIG PART OF WHY THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN IS COMING FORWARD. 
          UH, THE NEXT CLARIFICATION WAS JUST BASED ON SOME OF THE ACREAGES THAT WERE SHOWN. 
          I THINK IT HAD, UH, 21.7 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, 47 ACRES OF MEDICAL COMMERCIAL. 
          THE ACTUAL ACREAGE TOTAL IS ABOUT 79.3. 
          SO THERE IS AN ACREAGE DIFFERENCE THERE IF YOU ADD IT UP. 
          UM, SO WE DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL AND JUST UPDATE THE ACREAGES JUST SO THAT THEY'RE NOT LOSING LAND AREA WITH THAT'S WITHIN THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS JUST A SMALL ERROR WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE CALCULATIONS. 
          AND THEN THE WILL SERVE LETTERS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND OBTAIN THOSE FOR THE APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, 
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I WILL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          WELL, IF YOU DON'T, IF, IF Y'ALL BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I'M NOTICING LOOKING AT THESE MAPS AND, UH, MR. FRAZIER, WE MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP WITH THIS. 
          UM, THE MAP THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE DOWN BELOW WHERE IT SAYS PRESERVED AREA, SEE HOW IT KIND OF HAS THAT NOTCH AND IT SHOWS THE EXISTING CELL TOWER. 
          NOW GO TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN MAP OVER HERE. 
          SEE HOW IT'S, IT COMES STRAIGHT DOWN AND GOES ALL THE WAY. 
          IT'S A MUCH LARGER AREA ON THIS MAP, WHICH, WHICH MAP IS CORRECT FOR THAT PART IS WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT. 
          SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE'S A CHUNK MISSING IN THIS MAP VERSUS THE OTHER MAP AND I DON'T KNOW IF DEVELOPER CAN HELP WITH THAT OR MAYBE THAT'S THE MISSING ACREAGE. 
          THIS ONE I BELIEVE IS CORRECT. 
          THAT PARCEL ACTUALLY DOES COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE NORTH END OF THE WILLOWS. 
          SO WHO OWNS THAT OTHER PROPERTY? IS THAT THE DEVELOPER AS WELL OR SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS IT OR WE DON'T, WE DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT'S, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY. 
          SORRY, I GET PLACE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THIS IS, YOU TALK ABOUT, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S WETLANDS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS PARCEL, SEE IT ONE WAY ON ONE MAP AND ONE WAY ON ANOTHER. 
          MY NAME'S JAKE REED. 
          THAT PARCEL IS OWNED BY, UH, THE ROBERTSON FAMILY OR PAM MERCK. 
          UH, SHE STILL OWNS IT. 
          WE DO NOT OWN IT. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT'S ALL, IT IS ALL WETLAND. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, IT WAS ACTUALLY, I THINK IN AN ORIGINAL PLAN IT WAS OUTLINED AND THEN WE UPDATED THE OUTLINE. 
          'CAUSE 'CAUSE UH, STAFF HAD ASKED US TO, TO CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS INCLUDED AND IT IS NOT. 
          AND THAT'S STILL PART OF THE COUNTY THEN? THAT'S NOT IN THE TOWN? UM, ACTUALLY NO. 
          IT, IT IS IN THE TOWN. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT 'CAUSE WE DON'T OWN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST SEEING THE DIFFERENCES IN THE MAPS AND NOW WHAT IS IN THE CELL PHONE TOWER LOTOF AND THEN WHAT'S BELOW IT? I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT. 
          I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT WITH THE ANNEXATION. 
          WELL YOU PROBABLY NOT YOURS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER WHO OWNS IT AND YEAH, RIGHT. 
          YOU PROBABLY ALSO COULD. 
          YOU DID NOT. 
          I HAVE A RAISED HAND OVER HERE. 
          HANG ON ONE SECOND GENTLEMEN. 
          THAT CELL PHONE TOWER LOT IS WITHIN THE TOWN. 
          IT WAS PART OF THE ANNEXATION. 
          SORRY I WAS WRONG. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING PARTY, ANOTHER PARTY TOO. 
          EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT CELL PHONE TOWER LOT. 
          IS THAT PART OF THE CELL LOT OR IS THAT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PART OF, THIS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IT IS PART OF THE TOWN, BUT IN PART OF BUCK WALTER. 
          BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW IT COULD POSSIBLY BE IN THE TOWN? GRANDI OAKS WAS PART OF THE ANNEXATION APPLICATION AND PETITION ALONG WITH Y'ALL. 
          SO IT WAS ALL REFUSED. 
          I'M SORRY, I'VE GOTTA, I'VE GOTTA PULL US BACK IN. 
          WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS OFFLINE. 
          IT'S IN TOWN BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE MASTER PLAN AND WE DON'T OWN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          LET ME, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOW AND IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M GOING TO, UM, UM, START WITH MS. LYDIA, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S DUG INTO THAT 5.88 AND HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT SHE CAN SHARE WITH US AND THOUGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST FOR READING THROUGH THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE 5 8 8 AND THEN 5 8 9, UM, IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFY THAT THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF NEEDS TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT LOT SIZES, ET CETERA, BUT THAT WE WOULD NEED A NARRATIVE THAT DESCRIBES THE PLANNING STANDARDS WITH TYPICAL LOT SIZES WITH SETBACKS, BUFFERS, ADJACENT LAND, USES ROAD WIDTHS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          AND I DIDN'T THINK I SAW THAT IN YOUR NARRATIVE, BUT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. 
          YEAH, AND FOR THAT, I, I DO THINK THAT LANGUAGE WAS INTENDED FOR LIKE RESIDENTIAL WITH LIKE TYPICAL LOT SIZES, SETBACKS, BUFFERS, LIKE, 'CAUSE THE ONE THING ON COMMERCIAL, AND I THINK THIS RINGS TRUE, UH, JUST BASED ON THE LAND USE, IS YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA MEET ANY MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT YOU COULD HAVE SOMEONE THAT MAY DO A, A STRIP CENTER THAT'S A L-SHAPE THAT COULD CREATE A DIFFERENT PARCEL OR IT COULD BE A A FOUR UNIT RETAIL BUILDING STRIP OR A 10 UNIT RETAIL STRIP BUILDING. 
          SO THOSE LOT LINES, AND THIS IS BACK TO THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD BEFORE, WHATEVER WE SHOW IS, IS GONNA BE WRONG ULTIMATELY. 
          SO OUR ONLY FEAR IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE COMING BACK FROM MASTER PLAN REVISIONS 'CAUSE THE LOT LINE WENT FROM HERE TO HERE. 
          LIKE WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE STANDARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS 
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THAT IN THE NARRATIVE FORM TO, TO HELP MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          MY OTHER QUESTION THAT IS PROBABLY MORE FOR RICHARDSON TOO, BUT IN 5 8 9 IT DOES DESCRIBE THAT CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN, INCLUDING ALL OF THESE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WOULD BE ANY CHANGE TO BUILDING HEIGHT, SETBACKS, BUFFERS, MAJOR CHANGES IN LOCATIONS OF ROAD WIDTHS OF STREETS, UM, LOT SIZES, DIMENSIONS. 
          SO I GUESS I'D BE LOOKING TO YOU IF YOU COULD SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY REQUIRED AS A STANDARD FOR THE MASTER PLAN. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT 5 8 8 AND 5 8 9, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT 5 8 7 WHICH DETAILS WHAT CONCEPT PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO, IS SUPPOSED TO INDICATE. 
          AND, UH, FRANKLY, OVER WHAT THE TOWN HAS DONE AND PERMITTED OVER YEARS. 
          SOME OF IT HAS BEEN LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, A, A LESS THAN COMPLETE AND LESS THAN DETAILED CONCEPT PLANS AND MASTER PLANS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUD ALTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT WAS REQUIRED 5, 8 7 DOES SEEM TO INDICATE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST SOME INDICATION OF LOTS WHETHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL IN PARTICULAR USES INTENDED, NOT JUST BROAD COMMERCIAL. 
          I THINK IT EVEN DISCUSSES AND GIVES EXAMPLES, UM, IN THE CONCEPT PLAN AND A MASTER PLAN ESPECIALLY BE A MORE PARTICULARIZED, MORE DETAILED VERSION OF THAT CONCEPT PLAN AS YOU MOVE DOWN TOWARDS YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS YOUR FINAL, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL FINAL STAGE IN IT, UM, WITH THE AMENDMENTS, UH, COMMISSIONER PAUL YOU BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, THEY WITH, THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES AND MAJOR CHANGES AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN PROCESS UNDER BOTH OF THOSE, UH, MINOR CHANGES, WHICH I THINK HAVE GENERALLY BEEN TAKEN AS MINOR AMENDMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS TO LOT LINES AND WIDTHS AND MINOR, UH, RELOCATIONS OF ROADWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE SAY A WHATEVER PERMIT COMES FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, YOU NEED TO RE REROUTE THAT ROAD EVER SO SLIGHTLY. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING. 
          THE REMOVAL OF A ROAD OR THE WHOLESALE RELOCATION OF SOMETHING OR WHAT THEY CONSIDER A, A CHANGE. 
          AND IT'S UNFORTUNATELY IT IS A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE AS TO MINOR AND MAJOR WHEN IT COMES TO DEGREE. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, IN LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT WOULD BE, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT AT LEAST SOME SORT OF DETAIL BE SHOWN AT THE MASTER PLAN LEVEL AS TO, IN PARTICULAR LOTS AND POTENTIAL USES. 
          UM, THE DEGREE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS TAKEN VARYING APPROACHES. 
          ONE THING YOU'VE NOTICED WITH TOWN COUNCIL IS A DESIRE, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TOWN COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR AND CONSISTENT IN WANTING TO SEE MORE DETAIL ON THEIR MASTER PLANS AND WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN THE PAST, UH, BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH THAT, WITH THE RELOCATION REALLOCATION OF USES AND, AND ROADWAYS. 
          SO, UM, LONG, LONG ANSWER SHORT, I I THINK THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT MORE SPECIFICATION IS REQUIRED ON THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN, I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUPPORTS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF 5 8 8 TO SUPPORT THAT, UM, AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF 5, 8, 7, AND THOSE ARE, AS THE APPLICANT CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, THAT'S THE CRITERIA. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IN DETERMINING WHAT, WHETHER THESE MASTER PLANS ARE SUFFICIENT. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT OUR INTENT HERE WAS, I KNOW WE'RE SHOWING DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BUT WE'RE ALSO LABELING THE USES INTENDED FOR THOSE AREAS WITH THE MEDICAL COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND THEN THE, THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE LEFT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATE THAT NOVANT MAY WANT TO EXPAND AT SOME POINT, SO THERE COULD BE MORE OF A MEDICAL CAMPUS ON F OR E. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OVER ON, ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          CAN I SAY SOMETHING? BUT LET'S, I CAN, I I, I'M, I'M GONNA CUT YOU OFF THERE, JAKE. 
          LET'S, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION WITHIN PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL PULL YOU BACK UP, TAKE NOTES ON ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DISCUSS. 
          UH, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN THE PROCESS TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSS THIS WITH EACH OTHER AND KIND OF FEEL OKAY. 
          UM, MS. LYDIA, IT'S STILL WITH YOU. 
          IF YOU, UM, I THINK FOR ME THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TOO GENERIC GIVEN THE CRITERIA IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO KNOW LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS AND USES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT FLEXIBILITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THERE'S A DRASTIC CHANGE, IT SHOULD COME BACK. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL TO APPROVE A MASTER PLAN IS THAT WHEN THINGS CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, THAT THERE'S A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE GETTING INTO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I THINK PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE IS WE HAVE A VERY 
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DETAILED, WE HAVE A VERY NOT DETAILED WHAT IS PLANNING COMMISSION LEANING TOWARDS RECOMMENDING THAT BE PRESENTED TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA STEP BACK AT THIS POINT. 
          I HAVE, I HAVE SOME PRETTY STRONG OPINIONS, BUT IF WE CAN GIVE AN INDICATION AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS OF IS, AS STAFF SAID, IS THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL NECESSARY OR IS IT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS OR IS IT HERE AGAIN, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL MM-HMM . 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, AS IT MAY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIVILEGE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A, UM, THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, AND I KNOW THERE'S, WE USE THE TERM CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THE, UM, MASTER PLAN THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION ON AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT BE APPROVAL, DENIAL, WHATEVER MAY BE APPROVAL OF CONDITIONS, IS THE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THE ONE THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS AN IDEA OF HOW THAT COULD BE ENVISIONED IN THE FUTURE, BUT IS NOT UP FOR CONSIDERATION AND IS NOT A PROPOSED MASTER PLAN. 
          IT IS JUST AN IDEA FOR YOU TO WRAP YOUR HEADS AROUND WHAT THEY SEE AS DEVELOPMENT AREA EAC. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IT IS NOT WHAT IS NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THERE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I AGREE THAT'S WHAT'S PRESENTED, BUT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT THIS BE HELD THE SAME AS THE REST. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE IS DO WE AGREE WITH THIS? DO WE MODIFY THIS WITH A NARRATIVE? DO WE AGREE WITH IT? YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO RECOMMEND IN ONE WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          I THINK I'M, WAS THAT PLAN THAT THE MORE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WAS THAT PULLED? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT NATHAN HAD COMMENTED THAT, THAT THIS PLAN WAS PULLED. 
          IT, IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE RE IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT. 
          SO SO THIS IS PULLED WELL ON. 
          THE PACKET WAS SUBMITTED TO US. 
          IT'S STILL IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU UPLOAD IT, IT'S REPLACING THE OLD VERSIONS SO THAT, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU UPLOAD THE DOCUMENTS ONTO YOUR PORTAL, IT REPLACE THE OLDER VERSIONS. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T, WE CAN'T DELETE THINGS WE DIDN'T SUBMIT FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          BUT WE CLARIFIED THAT IN OUR RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT THAT SHOULD BE, THAT CONCEPTUAL IS, NO, IT'S OFF THE TABLE. 
          WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST THIS MASTER PLAN MM-HMM . 
          AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IF THAT MASTER PLAN CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL NEEDING MORE, IF THERE THERE'S A ROAD ALIGNMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, THEN THAT WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET LOOKED AT AGAIN BY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          AND JUST AGAIN, I I I, I DO THINK BECAUSE OF THE, THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS AND, AND THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH, YOU CAN'T, ONCE THIS APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THERE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT STAY IN THERE WITH THE, WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THEM. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING AGAIN, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, I DON'T WANNA MISSTATE WITH THE APPLICANT SAYING, IS THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW, LOOK AT IT, TAKE IT OUT. 
          IT IT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO BE CONSIDERED OR WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING. 
          UH, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE APPROVAL AND THE RECOMMENDATION HERE. 
          IF THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, AS TO THE LOT LAYOUT OR THE ROAD, REALLY, WHAT WOULD BE THE ROAD CONFIGURATION THERE, THE CIRCULATION, UM, THAT WOULD NECESSITATE, DEPENDING ON THE EXTENT OF THE MODIFICATION THAT COULD NECESSITATE A MASTER PLAN AMENDMENT THE IDEA. 
          AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT'S PROPOSED ALLOWS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. 
          IT ALLOWS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AS TO DEVELOPMENT TYPES AND USES AND LOT SIZES. 
          AND, UH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT SOME OF THE CIRCULATION IN INTERNALLY WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT MORE DETAIL BE PROVIDED AS TO POTENTIAL USES LOT LAYOUT WHERE THAT AND THE DENSITY ALLOCATION IS MY UNDERSTANDING, SO THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WILL CARRY WITH THEM MORE CERTAINTY AND MORE EASE OF ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF BREADTH AND UM, IT'S AGAIN, A MUCH MORE FLEXIBLE DEVELOPMENT STYLE FOR, FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
          AS, AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE CLAR CLARIFICATION FROM NATHAN WAS IN THE PUD, THIS ADDITIONAL MASTER PLAN THAT WE SEE WAS WHAT THE PUD EXPLAINED WOULD 
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BE REQUIRED AT THIS STAGE. 
          I, BUT THE STAFF IS ASKING FOR MORE DETAIL. 
          SO HOW IS THAT CORRESPOND FOR US IF THE PUD SAID THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED, THIS TYPE OF PLAN, CONCEPTUAL, OR I'M SORRY, INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND THE STAFF IS ASKING FOR MORE. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER DEPAUL WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER, THAT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT SAYS IS REQUIRED UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND DE PUD STANDARDS. 
          I THINK AS COMMISSIONER DEPAUW POINTED OUT THAT 5.88 IS ACTUALLY MORE SPECIFIC. 
          IT DOES REQUIRE CERTAIN AND 5.87 AS WHICH DEALS WITH THE CONCEPT PLANS, WHICH AGAIN IS THAT HIGHER LEVEL, BUT SEEMINGLY REQUIRE MORE SPECIFICITY BECAUSE IT DOES TALK ABOUT USES AND USES AS A DEFINED TERM. 
          IT'S NOT A USE IS NOT DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT IS, UH, IT HAS SOME SPECIFICITY TO IT. 
          THESE WORDS CARRY WEIGHT AND THEY HAVE MEANING TO 'EM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, A LOT LAYOUT. 
          YES, THERE'S AN, I MEAN IF THE ARGUMENT THAT THAT APPLIES ONLY TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS. 
          SO I THINK THAT STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES MORE SPECIFICITY AND THAT TO CONSIDER THIS AND TO APPROVE THIS MASTER PLAN MORE SPECIFICITY IS NEEDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LYDIA. 
          WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THAT, DID IT DEFINE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL OR IT JUST, WAS IT GENERIC? THIS PIECE OF IT IS GENERIC. 
          THERE ARE PIECES OF THE AGREEMENT SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MASTER PLAN. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, I CAN READ TO YOU THE, THE LANGUAGE OF 5.8 A B, UH, WHICH IS A MASTER IS THE MASTER PLAN AND TALKS ABOUT THE LAND USES. 
          IT SAYS B, PROPOSED ARRANGEMENT OF LAND USES INCLUDING LAND FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, APPROXIMATE ACREAGE OF EACH USE AREA OVER TRACK TYPE OF USE AND DENSITY. 
          PARENTHESES, RESIDENTIAL USE TRACKS FOR THE TYPE OF USE OR THE DENSITY, I THINK THERE, BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED ARRANGEMENT OF LAND USES. 
          AND EXCUSE ME, THE DENSITY HAS THE PARENTHETICAL RESIDENTIAL USE TRACKS. 
          ALL SPECIFIED DENSITIES WILL BE CONSTRUED AS MAXIMUM WITH ACCEPTANCE OF MAXIMUM SUBJECT TO SATISFACTION AND OTHER PROVISIONS WITHIN THE P ORDINANCE. 
          AND IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT USES AND IT EVEN BREAKS DOWN AND PROVIDES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, OFFICE SPACE VERSUS, UM, I'D HAVE TO GO RIGHT BACK UP 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT VERSUS RETAIL. 
          VERSUS VERSUS RETAIL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OH. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, JUST AGAIN, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST, UM, AND MAYBE IT'S DEFINED DIFFERENTLY IN THERE, RICHARDSON, I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT, UM, ANYTIME WE'VE HEARD THE WORD DENSITY, IT'S TALKED ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND WITHIN THE BUCKWALTER PUD THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN ACREAGE ASSIGNED TO COMMERCIAL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT DENSITY IS SOMETHING, BUT I DO THE USAGE AREA AND THE ACREAGE AND ALL THAT, I THINK, AND THAT'S WHY WITH DENSITY, IT HAS THAT PARENTHETICAL RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THAT SEEMS TO BE CONSISTENT. 
          COMMISSIONER, OTHER, OTHER THOUGHTS, OTHER DISCUSSION POINTS? PULL THE, LET'S PULL THE DEVELOPER BACK UP. 
          I I HAVE A FEELING HE'S CHOMPING INTO IT. 
          MR. REED OR MR. REED, DID YOU WANNA COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THIS BEFORE WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I THINK THE, THE, THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS IS, AND I THINK I'VE ITERATED THIS PREVIOUSLY, IS THAT WE HAD MEETINGS WITH KEY MEMBERS OF THE TOWN TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO SET THIS UP. 
          AND FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL DOWN, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS WHERE WE WERE DIRECTED TO MOVE, UH, THE IMP DESIGN. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, COMMISSIONER DEPAUW'S, UH, ASK TO INCLUDE IN THE NARRATIVE, UM, HOW WE WOULD POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASK. 
          UH, I ALSO THINK THAT THE UPDATING THE, UM, UH, THE WILL SERVE LETTERS, I THINK THAT'S, THAT I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          THEY'RE 25 YEARS OLD, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH DOES IT, BUT HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING? THE ALIGNMENT ALIGNMENT? WELL, THE REALIGNMENT OF THE ROAD, REALIGNMENT OF ROAD IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TRICKY SUBJECT. 
          UM, WE HAVE INDICATED THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MASSIVE SUPPORTERS OF THE REALIGNMENT OF THE PARKWAY. 
          AND WE HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY, IN FACT, NOT ME, THIS MAN RIGHT HERE FOR 20 YEARS NOW TO GET THAT DONE. 
          AND WE STILL SUPPORT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. 
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AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE. 
          AND WE HAD A MEETING, AGAIN, A SEPARATE MEETING WITH SEVERAL KEY STAFF MEMBERS, UH, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THIS. 
          AND, AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          UH, NO AGREEMENT EXISTS FOR FIVE B, NO, UH, RIGHT OF WAY EXISTS. 
          NO CIVIL DESIGN EXISTS. 
          SO HOW DO WE SHOW IT? HOW DO WE INCLUDE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL? AND I, I WE CAN'T, SO, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, I DO WANNA MAKE A, I DO WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT ON THE REALIGNMENT. 
          I KNOW MOST, IF NOT ALL COMMISSIONERS IN HERE HAVE HEARD ME. 
          UH, BUT JUST TO BE AS CLEAR AS I POSSIBLY CAN, AND I KNOW THIS IS BEING RECORDED AND I I WELCOME THAT IT'S BEING RECORDED. 
          UM, I THINK FIVE B SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT IN 2006. 
          UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO USED TO LIVE IN HAMPTON LAKE AND DRIVE TO THIS PART OF TOWN, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS, UH, YOU DRIVE PAST THREE SCHOOL CAMPUSES, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THERE'S A FATAL ACCIDENT INVOLVING SCHOOL CHILDREN. 
          UH, THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP LIKE CRAZY. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE A RELIEF VALVE, WHETHER IT'S FIVE B OR SOMETHING ELSE. 
          THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          I WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, IN MY MIND, THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE A TAKING IN THE LAND IF WE REQUIRE THEM TO KEEP THAT PART OF IT CLEAR WITHOUT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY OR SOMEBODY PAYING THEM FOR THAT LAND. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE EFFECTIVELY, WE'RE, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT TO SAYING, UM, I OWN A 10 ACRE LOT AND THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY PLANS ON PUTTING A ROAD THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO I CAN'T BUILD ON THAT. 
          I'VE GOTTA BUILD ON THE TWO CORNERS OF MY LOT AND A, AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE THAT ROAD BUILT MORE THAN, MORE THAN MOST, UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR TRAFFIC RELIEF IN THAT AREA. 
          IT'S WHAT WAS PLANNED ALL ALONG. 
          IT'S WHAT WAS VOTED FOR IN 2006 IN A REFERENDUM AND FUNDED, AND THEN THE FUNDS DISAPPEARED. 
          BUT I, I JUST HAVE A REAL HARD TIME WITH MAKING THAT A RECOMMENDED REQUIREMENT TO COUNSEL. 
          I AGREE. 
          UM, WITH ALL THAT SAID, DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, RECOMMENDED MOTION? YES, PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY I'M RELATED TO THAT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          HEY, COLOMBO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER THING FOR YOU, RICHARDSON PROBABLY, BUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT DOES SAY THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL, UM, INITIAL MASTER PLAN STAGES WITHIN THE PUDA MINIMUM OF 10% OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED WHERE SALT WATER AND FRESHWATER WETLANDS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATION FOR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          DOES THAT APPLY? WE COULD, COULD YOU, UH, IT IS ON PAGE 20, , IT'S NUMBER 11, BUT NUMBER 11, UNDER WHICH THOUGH HEADING, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. 
          WHAT WAS THE PDF PAGE NUMBER THAT, UM, COUNTED ON IT IS PD PAGE 83. 
          PAGE 83 OF 519. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I ASSUME THAT'S IN THE, IS THAT, I ASSUME THAT'S IN THE CONCEPT PLAN NARRATIVE? IT IS IN THE BUCKWALTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, YES. 
          SO IN, I THINK PAGE 80 IS PROBABLY GONNA BE YOUR CONCEPT PLAN NARRATIVE. 
          UM, IT, IT'S HERE, IT IT'S YES UNDER, SO YES, IT WOULD, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO REVISE THAT, UM, 'CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN 14 AMENDMENTS TO THE  DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THAT THAT PART IS, THAT IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          AND THERE'S A HIERARCHY OF DOCUMENTS THAT SET FORTH IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          NEXT THING THAT COMES IS YOUR CONCEPT PLAN NARRATIVE. 
          SO IF YOUR CONCEPT PLAN NARRATIVE STATES THAT IT'S REQUIRED, THEN IT'S REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE OPEN SPACE AS WETLANDS RIGHT NOW. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER OPEN YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S INCORRECT. 
          UM, YEAH, 10% OPEN SPACE IS NOT DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE THAT. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY HAVE. 
          UM, IT DOES STATE 10% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IN PD, BUT IT ALSO STATES THAT OPEN SPACE WILL NOT BE SPECIFIC TO THE BOUNDARIES OF A INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE PUD TO HAVE 10% OPEN SPACE. 
          NOW HOW IS THAT CALCULATED? I CAN NEVER TELL YOU, BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU LIKE WE DO IT TYPICALLY ON A, ON A INDIVIDUAL BASIS AS WE GO FORWARD. 
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BUT WE WILL HAVE WELL OVER 10% OPEN SPACE WITHOUT WETLANDS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL IT DOES SAY AT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN STAGE, EACH PROJECT SHALL, SHALL DEMONSTRATE A MINIMUM OF 10% OPEN SPACE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE WETLANDS. 
          SO IS THIS THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN STAGE THAT THEN NEEDS THAT TO BE DEMON? SO JUST ON THE OPEN SPACE PLAN, IT DOESN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SHOW IN THE CALCULATIONS ANY, NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT'LL BE OKAY. 
          STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THAT AND BRING THE RESULTS TO COUNCIL. 
          IT'S EXACTLY AS LYDIA SAID, IT'S, IT'S THE DEFINITION OF OPEN SPACE. 
          IT SAYS IN THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN, HOWEVER, AT THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN STAGE, EACH PROJECT SHALL DEMONSTRATE A MINIMUM OF 10% OPEN SPACE, SALT WATER AND FRESHWATER WETLANDS ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE PART I WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE FIRST PART HERE THAT SAYS TOTAL OPEN SPACE FOR THE BUCK, WALTER PUD, SHALL BE CALCULATED FOR THE BOUNDARY OF THE PUD AND NOT SITE SPECIFIC BASIS FOR EACH PHASE OF THE PPUD INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT OR PROJECT. 
          SO, BUT THEN IT SAYS YES, INITIAL MASTER PLAN, SO WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT. 
          OKAY, NO PROBLEM. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, ENTERTAIN A MOTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO ATTACK THIS SAYING, AS YOU'VE DONE THE MOST RIGHT. 
          RESEARCH ON THIS, IT IS MORE RICHARDSON . 
          HOW WOULD WE PHRASE THE, THE LAST THING THAT YOU HAD? AND IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE, DO WE USE THE STAFF COMMENT FOR, IS THAT A COMMENT THAT THEY HAVE? EXCLUDING WHAT? EXCLUDING, UH, ABBOT WITHOUT IT. 
          WELL, IF WE DON'T MAKE HIM CONDITIONS, THEN IT'S NOT OKAY. 
          MY OTHER, I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY ANY OF THOSE. 
          IF I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT ASKED FOR MORE DETAIL PER THE DOCUMENT, I CAN, HOW WOULD YOU PHRASE THAT? I THOUGHT WE HAD CON COMMUNICATED THAT, THAT THE NARRATIVE, A DETAILED NARRATIVE AND MAYBE MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN WOULD BE THE CONDITION THAT WE WOULD WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE NARRATIVE WOULD BE MORE DETAILED. 
          SO MODIFY NUMBER TWO AND THEN ADD NUMBER THREE FOR THE, THE, UH, ROLL LAR. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? AND THE 10% OPEN SPACE, THE 10% OPEN SPACE. 
          SO THERE ARE YOUR THREE CONDITIONS INDIRECT. 
          THE REALITY IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING FORWARD, THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY AMBIGUOUS RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORE DETAIL. 
          YOU'VE GOT AN APPLICANT WHO SAID THAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED IS REALLY JUST SUPPOSED TO BE AN IDEA. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU A GENERALIZATION OF WHAT COULD BE COULD BE COMING FORWARD. 
          AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THEY WANT TO USE AS WHAT THEY WANT TO RELY ON OR HOW THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, HA HAVE THIS PROPERTY LOOK OR HOW THEY WANT THEIR MASTER PLAN TO, TO LOOK. 
          SO YOU CAN PUT IN THERE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE DETAILED REQUIRED, BUT WHAT SORT OF DETAIL, WHAT IS INAPPROPRIATE LOT WITH, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT WON'T COME BACK TO YOU IF YOU MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE LOT WITH THESE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON, OR THE DENSITY AND THE USE ALLEGATIONS IN THE, IN THE BUFFERS? UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT THINKS ABOUT PROVIDING THAT NARRATIVE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TABLING THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND PROVIDING A NARRATIVE AND COMING BACK WITH A NARRATIVE AND, UM, PUTTING IN THERE ABOUT THE 10% OPEN SPACE TO MEET THAT PORTION OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          UH, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          IT MAY BE THE EASIER APPROACH AND THE MORE REASONABLE APPROACH TO TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS. 
          LET ME MAKE CONCERNS. 
          LET ME MAKE A COMMENT TO THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, RICHARDSON, BUT I, I'M, I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE THINK ABOUT HANDLING THIS A DIFFERENT WAY, AND THAT IS TO HAVE THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A NARRATIVE AND REVIEW IT WITH LYDIA AND ONE OTHER COMMISSIONER SO IT CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE OF MEDICAL CARE THAT WE NEED DESPERATELY THIS TOWN. 
          AND IF WE DELAY EVEN A MONTH THAT'S A MONTH LONGER BEFORE WE HAVE MORE BEDS IN HOSPITALS AND MORE MEDICAL IN THIS TOWN. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          I THINK IT CAN BE DONE BECAUSE WITH THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION, IT'S ALSO, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL APPROVING 
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AUTHORITY. 
          SO I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME IT HITS COUNCIL, WE CAN, WE CAN HELP MASSAGE THAT WHILE KEEPING IT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING YOU SEE THAT'S, BUT IT'S ALSO, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION. 
          IT'S JUST WHETHER THE ENTIRETY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DETAILED NARRATIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE OR, UM, WHETHER YOU THINK IT CAN GO THROUGH A SECONDARY PROCESS. 
          AGAIN, MAKING CONDITIONS THAT THEY GO THROUGH A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL TO SIGN OFF ON. 
          IT'S SOMETHING I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH FROM I DIDN'T SAY ONE PERSON. 
          I I GOTCHA. 
          I ONE PERSON. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S SO DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF THE HC WE'VE DONE WITH SOME OF THE DRC PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT THERE'S A, IT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS PRELIMINARY. 
          UM, AGAIN, MY RECOMMENDATION I THINK AT THIS POINT, BASED OFF OF WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION TO TABLE THIS. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS AND MAYBE CONTRACTUAL MATTERS THAT COULD PLAY INTO THIS, THAT I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT Y'ALL'S INTENT TO HAVE GO AWAY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE, I MEAN THIS, I I'VE HEARD YOUR CONCERNS, SO I, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR, OF COURSE HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY'D BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THE TABLE SO THEY CAN ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES. 
          WOULD YOU WELL WILLING TO COME BACK AND VISIT US NEXT MONTH? NO, THE ANSWER WOULD BE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ITEM THAT HE POINTED TO IS ARRANGEMENT OF LAND USES, INCLUDING PUBLIC FACILITIES, APPROXIMATE ACREAGE FOR EACH LAND USE, TRACK TYPE OF USE. 
          WE'VE DONE ALL OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND THEN THE PART THAT, THAT SHE MENTIONED, UM, I DO THINK WE CAN ADDRESS WITH A NARRATIVE INTERNAL SITE PLANNING STANDARDS SUCH AS TYPICAL LOT SIZES AND WIDTHS AND SETBACKS AND BUFFERS AIMED AT ADDRESSING POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY BETWEEN ADJACENT LAND USES. 
          SO ALL OF THIS IS COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE. 
          SO OUR SETBACKS BETWEEN THOSE ARE GONNA BE ZERO, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S COMMERCIAL, SO THERE'S NOT TYPICALLY SETBACKS THERE. 
          NOW LOT SIZES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE CAN ADDRESS KIND OF ARRA ARRANGEMENT OF WHAT WE THINK POTENTIAL LOT SIZES, BUT I THINK ALL OF THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN A NARRATIVE FORM AND WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL. 
          WELL, LET ME, LET'S GET A FEEL, UM, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, I MEAN WE COULD HAVE, IF COMMISSION IS OPEN IT, OPEN TO IT, TWO OR THREE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS MEET AND, AND OR REVIEW THAT NARRATIVE. 
          IF WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TO A MEETING LIKE THIS, WE CAN'T HAVE ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS DO IT. 
          I, FOR ONE, AM COMFORTABLE NOT BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE TO DO THE NARRATIVE. 
          I KNOW LYDIA'S GONNA DO A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN I EVER WOULD GOING THROUGH THE DETAIL ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT JUST A, JUST A QUICK POLL OF ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH DOING THAT OR ARE WE NOT COMFORTABLE? 'CAUSE IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RE-ASK THE QUESTION THEN. 
          TAYLOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION TOO? YEAH. 
          LYDIA, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? HOW'S THAT? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU. 
          NOT REALLY. 
          AND THE REASON BEING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THE COMMISSION WE'RE COM, LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO A, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL, DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE BASKET? CAN BE, AND I GUESS MY OTHER CONCERN IS YES, YOU HAVE LIKE COMMERCIAL, BUT I THINK WHAT, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU WERE STATING IS THAT THEIR DEFINITION IN THIS DOCUMENT OF WHAT THEY MEAN BY USE IS MORE SPECIFIC THAN MIXED USE OR MORE SPECIFIC THAN COMMERCIAL? YEAH, I, I AND, AND THERE'S AS REFERENCE TO THE CONCEPT PLAN TOO AS, UM, THE CONCEPT PLAN SECTION IS, UH, MR, MR THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED WITH RETAIL VERSUS OFFICE SPACE, MEANING THEY'RE BOTH TECHNICALLY COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT USES, DIFFERENT USE CLASSIFICATIONS. 
          SO YEAH, THAT I, I, I PUT IT, I PUT IT THIS WAY AND IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO FEEL THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM. 
          I AM COMFORTABLE TAKING SOME OF MY RESPONSIBILITY AND ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE WITH MORE EXPERTISE IN THOSE AREAS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND I TRUST THAT TO HAPPEN MYSELF. 
          I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS MM-HMM  . 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR THAT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I STATED WHAT MY PRIORITY IS. 
          MY PRIORITY IS WHAT IT'S BEEN SINCE 2009 WHEN WE OPENED THE LAST HOSPITAL. 
          AND THAT IS TO GET MORE MEDICAL FACILITIES HERE YESTERDAY. 
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UM, WILL ONE MONTH MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS? I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY LIVES DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO? I'M NOT SURE. 
          SO THINK ON THAT FOR A MINUTE. 
          I SEE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT REALLY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK. 
          THANKS, DAN. 
          I'M JOHN REED. 
          UM, UNIVERSITY INVESTMENT AND UM, IF IT'S JUST ONE MORE MONTH, IT'D BE ONE THING, BUT IT'S BEEN ONE MORE MONTH FOR YEARS . 
          AND WE'VE WORKED ON THIS THING MONTHS AGO. 
          WE MET WITH MAYOR AND THE VICE MAYOR AND STEVEN AND HEATHER AND SO, UH, AND SAID, HEY, HOW DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD? 'CAUSE WE HAD AN EVENT NOVANT, UH, WITH US AND SO FORTH, AND WE CHANGED FROM THE MIXED USE VILLAGE WE'RE GONNA DO TO A HOSPITAL FOR A LOT OF REASONS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND WE GOT, THEY SAID MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, WE WANT TO HAVE THESE ROAD CONNECTIVITIES AND THE ROAD LOCATION, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE, YOU GOTTA HAVE THIS MANY ROAD CONNECTIVITY AND SO FORTH. 
          AND WE DID IT. 
          AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THE HOSPITAL LOCATED, BUT THEY WON'T THEN THEY WOULDN'T BUY THE HOSPITAL WITHOUT THE 35 ACRES NEXT TO IT FOR A MEDICAL CAMPUS. 
          BUT THEY HADN'T GOT THAT PLANNED YET. 
          BUT WE, THEY DO, DID HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE HOSPITAL PLAN. 
          SO, AND THEN THE OTHER 26 ACRES IS COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THEY SAID, WELL JUST DO THE BLOB, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, JUST SAY WHAT THE USES ARE, BUT PUT THE ROADS AND WE CAN PUT ROAD SIZES, WE CAN EVEN PUT LOTS, WE WILL DO MORE, YOU KNOW, THAN, BUT THE YES, WE, WE NEED TO, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE HOSPITAL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS. 
          I AM, YOU KNOW, GET THIS APPROVED OR WHATEVER AND PUT SOME CONDITIONS ON IT OR WHATEVER. 
          AND YES, YOU, YOU SAID, RIGHT, WHAT YOU SAID IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE PHASE FIVE B CONNECTOR. 
          I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. 
          I'D LOVE TO HAVE SEEN IT THE LAST MANY YEARS AND SO FORTH. 
          AND WE'VE EVEN ARE WORKING WITH NOVANT TO PLAN IT SO THAT HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN GET SOMETHING DONE WHILE THEY'RE PLANNING IT AND WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE. 
          THEY KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY KNOW THAT'S PART OF OUR DEAL IS, HEY, IF WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THERE, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THERE. 
          AND, UH, SO, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE HOSPITAL DOES NOT AFFECT FIVE B. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE, THE, THE INITIAL HOSPITAL, IT'S DOWN SOUTH OF THAT. 
          SO WE, WE GOT SOME TIME FOR, FOR Y'ALL TO, YOU OR THE COUNTY TO EVER DO THE CONNECTOR ROAD AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THE BEST WE CAN TO GET THIS DONE AND WE WILL PUT SOME MORE, UH, WE CAN'T DO IT ANYWHERE NEAR THE SPECIFICITY, YOU KNOW, AS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE, THAT WE WAS UP HERE. 
          BUT WE WILL WORK WITH YOU WHAT ROAD, WHERE THE ROADS ARE, IF YOU WANT TO PUT LOT LINES IN. 
          WE CAN PUT SOME LOT LINES AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT WE CAN'T BE TOO SPECIFIC BECAUSE THE MEDICAL CAMPUS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF BUILDINGS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE. 
          SO JUST, I APPRECIATE YOU HELPING WORKING WITH US VERY QUICKLY. 
          I I WHAT I, OUR HOPE IS THAT WE COULD MOVE THIS ADVANCE, THIS EFFORT FORWARD TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND OUR HOPE THAT WOULD BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS SUCH THAT WE UPDATE THE NARRATIVE TO ADDRESS SECTION 5.8 0.8, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PROPOSED SITE PLANNING STANDARDS AND TYPICAL LOTS SIZES AND WIDTHS, THOSE THINGS. 
          SO EVEN THOSE ARE PROBABLY MORE DIRECTED AT RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE HEAR YOU ASKING FOR IT, BUT WE CAN PROPOSE OF, OF, OF A VARIATION OF, OF LOT SIZES, IF YOU WILL, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE ASK. 
          SO I, IF WE CAN UP, YOU KNOW, ADVANCE IT WITH A CONDITION OF UPDATING THE NARRATIVE, I I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE VERY PLEASED IF WE COULD DO THAT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, I TRY AND GET A FEEL FOR THE TEMPERATURE OF, UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD COME BACK TO ALL OF COMMISSIONER? DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD, IT'S OKAY TO LET IT GO? PARTIALLY. 
          I WAS GONNA OFFER TO BE ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT WITH IT. 
          I FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NARRATIVE AND DETAIL IN THE NARRATIVE IN AND POSSIBLY IN THAT INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I SEE RICHARDSON'S SIDE OF IT, UM, AND I, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD MAKE IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED LYDIA HOW COMFORTABLE DOES SHE FEEL IT WAS HER SUGGESTION WAS HER FINDING OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL TOO. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA APPOINT SOMEONE OR TWO PEOPLE, OR THREE PEOPLE, UM, THAT THEY'LL FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT 
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ANYTHING FROM HAPPENING. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WAY. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY OF US DO. 
          HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, WE WANT TO PROTECT BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT JUST KIND OF OPEN SPACE. 
          I KNOW STAFF HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS. 
          I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. 
          AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE US GET KICKED IN LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD THAT SOMETHING IS PUT IN THERE THAT WOULDN'T FIT IN THERE. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, I THINK THERE'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT LONG. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          , IT WAS, I'M STILL IN THAT EYE. 
          YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE FINE, YOU'RE FINE. 
          UM, I, MY GOSH, THERE ARE NO WRONG ANSWERS HERE. 
          I KNOW WE NEED D MUCH. 
          YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THE, THE PROCESS THAT'S ESTABLISHED AND YOU WANNA DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. 
          YOU ALSO DON'T WANNA LEAVE BE A ROADBLOCK. 
          SO I AGREE WITH MICHAEL THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE MOVED THIS THING FORWARD, BUT, AND AGAIN, I'LL SIT DOWN WITH EVERYBODY AND BE A VOLUNTEER THAT WAY. 
          WE HAVE THE THREE, UM, TO REVIEW THE NARRATIVE, MAKE SURE IT'S IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS AS TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE RECOMMENDING TO HAVE COUNCIL. 
          UM, I ASK A QUESTION. 
          I THINK YOU JUST DID IT. 
          I, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT , I GUESS? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT AS A PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ALLOWED TO DO IT BEFORE, BUT IT WASN'T ON THIS PART, IT WAS ON A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE APPROVED. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          SO WE APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS. 
          YOU'RE, AGAIN, YOU'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          Y'ALL ARE GONNA VOTE. 
          YOU MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          USUALLY WHAT YOU DO IS YOU MAKE, AND WHEN YOU HAVE HAD THAT OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE MADE A NOT A RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY APPROVING AND YOU'RE APPROVING IT ON THE CONDITION THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF INDEPENDENT REVIEW. 
          UM, I I I, I HAVE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK, THINK IT THROUGH, UM, FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS ISN'T SUFFICIENT, YOU HAVE NO REAL WAY OF DEALING WITH IT. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, UM, AND IT KIND MOVES FORWARD THAT WAY. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO REALLY IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT AFTER THE APPROVAL. 
          UM, I WANNA MAKE, I WOULD BACK TO DIFFER ON THAT ONE THOUGH, BECAUSE IF WE RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL PENDING A SUCCESSFUL MEETING TO, UM, UH, BLANK HERE, REVIEW THE, TO REVIEW THE NARRATIVE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST QUESTION TOWN COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE IS HOW DID THAT NARRATIVE MEETING GO AND DID, DID THE, UM, APPOINTEES SIGN OFF ON IT? AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE YOUR ABILITY TO TALK TO TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT IT. 
          HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDED OR, UM, REPLA, UH, REPORT TO TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT THAT? AGAIN, I, I THINK IT'S, UM, THE CONCERN AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'M, I'M COMING BACK TO THIS AND I'M PROBABLY GOING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF WHAT I NEED TO, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE NOVANT SITE, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE UNDER ANY SUR ANYBODY'S CONCERNS APPEAR AT THE NOVANT SITE, WHETHER UNDER THE CONCEPTUAL OR THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN. 
          IT'S THE BROWN AREA. 
          IT'S THE BROWN AREA THAT'S, THAT'S MARKED AS DEVELOPMENT AREA A BECAUSE THE NOVAN SITE CAN COME IN. 
          AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN YOU HAVE AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT SHOWS DEVELOPMENT AREA A ANYTHING THAT IS PROPOSED IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA? A WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAGE, YOU'RE ASKED, DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN? WHEN THERE'S VERY LITTLE SPECIFICITY, MOST THINGS WILL COMPLY. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN WITH THE VERY BROAD STROKES OF THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE HEARD WHAT MY OPINION IS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS YOUR CONDITIONS AND YOUR CONDITIONS TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU WANT A, A GROUP OF COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THIS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT NARRATIVE MEETS THE STANDARDS, IT DOES GIVE ME SOME CONCERN. 
          BUT AS FAR AS LEGAL CHALLENGES, LET, LET'S BE HONEST, IT'S WHETHER SOMEONE CHALLENGES IT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND IF TOWN COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THERE'S AN ADEQUATE CON, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE EFFORTS WERE MADE TO MEET YOUR CONDITIONS AND YOUR OBJECT AND WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVES WERE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK BECAUSE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'RE MAKING HERE TONIGHT, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS STATUTORILY ONE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE REQUIRED TO DO AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT CONDITION IN THERE, WE CAN WORD IT IN A WAY THAT WILL MAKE IT 
          [02:00:01]
AS CLEAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TRY TO HELP Y ALL WITH THAT ON THAT MOTION. 
          BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO AGAIN, REMIND YOU THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NOVANT SITE, AND I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, HE, I THINK IS THE 30 SOME ODD ACRES THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT NEEDING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR, FOR NOVAN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT IS A CONCERN, BUT IT'S ALSO THOSE OTHER 1, 2, 3, 4 DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND WHAT CAN COME INTO THAT CONCEPT PLAN OR UNDER THIS INITIAL MASTER PLAN THAT WILL MEET THOSE, THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THE STANDARDS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS LEVEL. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE NARRATIVE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE GETTING PAID HERE TONIGHT, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO DRAG NO, I'M KIDDING. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          BASED ON THAT ANSWER, HOW ARE WE FEELING? I THINK YOU NEED RICHARDSON'S IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE, I THINK YOU NEED RICHARDSON'S HELP WITH THAT BECAUSE WELL, IF, IF WE DO GO THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE YET WITH LYDIA HOW SHE'S FEELING. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AS A COMMISSION. 
          SO I'M FINE IF YOU GUYS WANNA PROPOSE THAT AS A MOTION, BUT I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THE PERSON TO PROPOSE A MOTION. 
          IF YOU PROPOSE A MOTION THAT ASKS FOR AN UPDATED NARRATIVE ADDRESSING WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO ADDRESS, UM, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. 
          IF IT MET THAT STANDARD STANDARD THAT'S PART OF STAFF'S JOB. 
          THAT'S ALL GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO GET TO AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          FIRST IS WE HAVE THREE LEVELS WE CAN RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL PENDING STAFF, UH, REVIEWING THE NARRATIVE. 
          THE NEXT STEP UP IS WE CAN RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL PENDING SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS APPROVING AND BEING A PART OF THAT NARRATIVE. 
          OR WE CAN SAY, NOPE, WE ALL WANT TO SEE IT. 
          AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THREE CHOICES IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT STAFF. 
          THAT'S, AND, AND THIS IS JUST TO ME AND WHY I KIND OF RECOMMENDED A COUPLE OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UH, REVIEWING THAT NARRATIVE IS I THINK WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST PERSONALLY IN THIS. 
          AND NOT THAT WE DON'T TRUST STAFF TO DO IT, BUT JUST THAT, THAT EXTRA COUPLE SETS OF EYES MIGHT MAKE IT BE, BE BETTER OR DO WE NEED ALL THE SETS OF EYES? AND I PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH NOT ALL THE SETS OF EYES SEEING IT AGAIN BECAUSE I START GOING CROSS-EYED AFTER ABOUT THREE PARAGRAPHS. 
          YEAH, I'D BE ONE FAVORING THE STAFF AND YOU KNOW, A COUPLE PEOPLE. 
          I WOULD LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD FEEL. 
          DOES ANYBODY OTHER THAN LYDIA WANT TO ATTEMPT A MOTION WITH RICHARDSON'S HELP? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE ARE YOUR THREE THAT YOU HAD? BECAUSE YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE PARKLEY CO'S INITIAL MASTER PLAN, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PERMIT APPLICATIONS, ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUBSTANTIALLY DEVIATES FROM THE APPROVAL INITIAL MASTER PLAN WITH REVISIONS TO THE NARRATIVE AND POSSIBLY MASTER PLAN. 
          BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GET A SECOND, CAN I, CAN Y'ALL GIVE ME ABOUT A MINUTE TO TRY TO WORK ON A CONDITION COMMISSIONER BROCK? UM, A CONDITION FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO, UH, AGAIN, THE ANALOGY THAT YOU'RE USING I THINK WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED TO MAKE IT FIT IN THERE. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. 
          AND WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, UM, THE, WE, IF I, IF I GET THIS RIGHT, WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, USE THE WORDS CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THIS ONE THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          FEDERAL PLAN WAS NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND INSTEAD WE'LL PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NARRATIVE, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH IS WHAT RICHARDSON'S WORKING ON AND WE'RE TAKING OUT ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN DO THREE AND THEN, OH YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE HAVE THE SPACE AND, UH, PER, DO WE HAVE THAT CODE THAT HE DID REFERENCE? IT IS PER 11, BUT 11 OF WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE RECOMMEND THE, UM, BLAH BLAH. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU'RE, UM, IF I MAY, SO Y'ALL ARE, IT, IT, IT'S NOT HOLDING YOU TO IT, BUT MY, WHAT I, WHAT IT APPEARS THAT Y'ALL ARE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF IS REMOVING, UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE THAT HAS 
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TO DEAL, DEAL WITH THE FUTURE REALIGNMENT OF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, I, I WON'T USE THE OTHER TERM FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE, UH, THE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO KEEP CONDITION NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE UPDATED WILL SERVE LETTERS. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMMENT ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION. 
          SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF I MOVE TO RECOMMEND, UH, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE PARKWAY CORNERS ADDITIONAL MASTER PLAN SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          UH, THE NUMBER ONE PROVIDE UPDATED WILL SERVE LETTERS AS PART OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION. 
          TWO, TO UPDATE THE NARRATIVE TO INCLUDE AND THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 5.88, IN PARTICULAR THE PROPOSED INTERNAL SITE PLANNING STANDARDS SUCH AS TYPICAL LOT SIZES AND WIDTH, SETBACKS AND PIPE AIMED AT ADDRESSING POTENTIAL COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN ADJACENT LAND USES AND ACTIVITIES AND PROVIDING, UM, UH, PROPOSED USES CONSISTENT WITH 5.88 OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MEANT STANDARDS. 
          AND THEN ALSO TO SHOW AS A CONDITIONAL CONDITION, THE 10% OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE, UM, CONCEPT PLAN NARRATIVE. 
          I AGREE. 
          IF THAT CAN'T BE, WELL, JUST FOR CLARITY, PARDON? OUTSIDE, DO WE NEED TO SAY THAT OUR OUTSIDE OF WALLET LIST ? WE, WE CERTAINLY, WE CERTAINLY CAN. 
          UM, , BUT YEAH, I, I MEAN, VERY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE CONCEPT PLAN LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S GOT IT WITH THE, HOWEVER IT STARTS WITH, I CAN, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          ROCK. 
          I CAN REPEAT IT AND YOU CAN, I CAN REPEAT THAT AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, SO MOVE YOU CAN YES. 
          MOVE, MOVE IF THAT'S OUT THE WAY Y'ALL WANT TO DO IT. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO IT'D BE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UH, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE PARKWAY CORNER'S INITIAL MASTER PLAN SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ONE, TO PROVIDE UPDATED WILL SERVE LETTERS AS PART OF THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN APPLICATION. 
          TWO, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATED NARRATIVE THAT ADDRESSES THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 5.88 AND IS CONSISTENT THERE WITH INCLUDING THE, UH, POTENTIAL USES FOR THE AREAS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED INTERNAL SITE PLANNING STANDARDS, SUCH AS TYPICAL LOT SIZES AND WIDTHS, SETBACKS AND BUFFERS AIMED AT ADDRESSING POTENTIAL INCOMPATIBILITY BETWEEN ADJACENT LAND USES AND ACTIVITIES. 
          AND THREE, TO, UM, MAKE SURE THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONCEPT PLANS REQUIREMENT FOR A 10% OPEN SPACE EXCLUSIVE OF ANY FRESHWATER OR SALT WATER WETLANDS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? OH, COME ON GUYS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW, UM, MR. FRAZIER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, PLEASE, UM, COORDINATE GETTING THE NARRATIVE, UH, HAVING THE CONVERSATION HAPPEN BETWEEN, UH, THE THREE COMMISSIONERS AND THE DEVELOPER ON THE NARRATIVE AND STAFF. 
          WHO WERE THE THREE COMMISSIONERS? I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'LL DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MICHAEL, DAN, MICHAEL AND LYDIA. 
          LYDIA. 
          WELL NOW HAVE STAFF. 
          WE'RE FINE. 
          WE CAN COURT. 
          I, I, I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          AND KEVIN ICARD. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIM IN . 
          SO IS ANYBODY REMAINING FROM RIVERRIDGE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ITEM NUMBER 
          [Items VII.4. & VII.5.]
FOUR ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, IT'S ACTUALLY ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE BCSD, RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY ANNEXATION PLANNING WORKSHOP. 
          THERE WILL BE NO ACTION. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO REZONING WORKSHOP CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO PROPERTY OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, CONSISTING IN TOTAL OF 24.12 ACRES, MORE OR LESS, LOCATED AT 1105 BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND IDENTIFIED BY THE BEAUFORT COUNTY TAX MAP NUMBERS IN THE AGENDA FOR ANNEXATION INTO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. 
          AND ALSO, UM, THE REZONING WOULD BE RELATED TO PROPERTY OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, CONSISTING OF A TOTAL OF 53.81 ACRES, MORE OR LESS LOCATED AT 30 50 RIVER RIDGE DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED BY THE BEAUFORT COUNTY TAX MEMBER IN THE AGENDA. 
          MR. FRAZIER. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
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UH, THE, THE TAKEOUT OF THIS SLIDE IS THE WORD WORKSHOP. 
          THIS IS A BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY ANNEXATION AND REZONING WORKSHOP. 
          UH, THE WORKSHOP IS PER SECTION 3 2 2 F OF THE UDO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          WORKSHOPS ARE INTENDED TO BE THE FIRST OFFICIAL PRESENTATION OF A PROPOSED PROJECT TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH INFORMATION IN A FORM TO INITIALLY REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND IDENTIFY APPLICABLE APPLICATION REVIEW CRITERIA. 
          UH, ON FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 5 3 1 50 OF THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, TOWN OF BLUFFTON ANNEXATION AND THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON ANNEXATION POLICY AND PROCEDURES MANUAL. 
          THE PR THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS BEFORD COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, SUBMITTED A 100% ANNEXATION PETITION APPLICATION FOR TWO PARCELS, TOTALING 24.12 ACRES. 
          PURSUANT TO THE ANNEXATION MANUAL, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A CONCURRENT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATION REQUESTING THE PROPERTIES TO BE REZONED TO THE PRESERVED PR DISTRICT AS REGULATED BY THE UDO. 
          THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATION ALSO REQUESTS THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE TOWN ALREADY THAT ARE PART OF THE RIVER RIDGE SCHOOL CAMPUS, UH, TO BE REZONED TO THAT SAME PRESERVED PR DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE VICINITY MAP, THE, THE BETTER ONE HERE. 
          THIS IDENTIFIES IT IN RED IS THE PARCELS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO BE ANNEXED IN AND TO GET A ZONING DESIGNATION OF PR. 
          THE PARCEL, THE WHAT'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE EXISTING, EXISTING PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE TOWN, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR IT TO BE REZONED TO PR PRESERVATION. 
          UH, LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANGLE OF THE AERIAL. 
          THIS IS A BOUNDARY MAP. 
          THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT, BIT OF AN IDEA WHERE ON BLUFFTON PARKWAY. 
          HAMPTON PARKWAY, UH, ACTUAL, ACTUALLY THE ROAD RAIDER DRIVE THAT COMES OFF HALF PARKWAY WRAPS AROUND AND GIVES ACCESS TO THE SITE AS WELL AS, UH, RIVER RIDGE ROAD ACCESS AS BACKGROUND. 
          THE ANNEXATION PARCELS TOTALED 2020 4.12 ACRES LOCATED WITHIN UNINCORPORATED BEFORD COUNTY PROPERTY CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, BUT IS OTHERWISE VACANT, BUT THERE ALSO IS A 4.3 ACRE POND ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS FORMERLY A BORROWED PIT. 
          PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED T TWO RULE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER OF BUFORT COUNTY. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE TOWN'S ZONING DISTRICT AS PART OF THE CONCURRENT ZONING MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATION. 
          THIS ZONING LAB, THIS ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS LIMITED DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT INCLUDES, UH, MAINLY CIVIC TYPE USES LIKE AGRICULTURAL CAMPGROUNDS, RV PARKS, RECREATION FACILITIES, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, MUSEUMS, PARKS. 
          WHILE THE USE OF SCHOOL IS NOT CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE PRESERVE ZONING DISTRICT, THE TOWNS UDO ADMINISTRATOR HAS INITIATED UDO TAX AMENDMENT TO ADD SCHOOLS AS A USE BY RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE ADDING THAT PERMITTED USE TO THE PR ZONING DISTRICT CONCURRENT WITH THIS SPECIFICALLY, UM, SO THAT SCHOOLS CAN BE, SO THAT THIS CAN BE REZONED TO PR AND, AND WE HAVE A PERMITTED USE OF SCHOOL WITHIN THAT PR DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT NOTES THAT CURRENT PRELIMINARY PLANNING FOR THIS EXPENDED AREA CONTEMPLATES AN EARLY CHILDHOOD CENTER. 
          I'LL LET THE APPLICANT EXPAND ON THAT IF SHE WOULD LIKE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED EITHER ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OR THE ADJACENT RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY CAMPUS ATHLETIC FIELD THAT I SHOWED YOU IN YELLOW. 
          UH, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          UH, IF THE EARLY CHILDHOOD CENTER IS CONSTRUCTED ON THE EXISTING ATHLETIC FIELD, THE ATHLETIC FIELD WILL BE RELOCATED TO THE PROPERTY BEING ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON. 
          THE PROPERTY PROPOSED ANNEXATION WILL BE A PART OF THE RIVER RIDGE CAMPUS IN SOME CAPACITY. 
          UH, THIS, THESE ARE THE STEPS. 
          THIS, THIS ACTUALLY WENT TO TOWN COUNCIL ON MARCH 11TH, UM, WITH AN INTENT TO ANNEX. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE TAKE SOME OF THE COUNCIL, SEE IF COUNCIL HAS AN APPETITE FOR, UH, ANNEXING THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO, TO REVERT IT TO A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY DID, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF, OF, UH, OF CONSIDERING ANNEXATION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEY DID 
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NOT, UH, REQUEST THAT IT BE REFERRED TO A NEGOTIATING COMMITTEE, MEANING TOWN COUNCIL SAID, GO AHEAD AND START THE PROCESS FOR THE ANNEXATION REQUEST AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. 
          UH, TONIGHT WE'RE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP. 
          UH, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS WILL BE THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THAT WILL BE FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN, UM, FOLLOWING ARE THESE, THESE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UH, BUT, BUT WE HAVE A MAY 13TH AND A JUNE 10TH COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR FIRST READING AND THEN PUBLIC HEARING SECOND READING, SECOND FINAL READING. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS. 
          UH, IF, IF WE STAYED ON TRACK, IT WOULD BE JUNE 10TH WHEN IT WOULD HAVE FINAL READING AT TOWN COUNCIL. 
          AND I WILL GO BACK UP TO THE GRAPHIC. 
          WE, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, BE BEFORE WE GET THERE, UH, DAN, CAN YOU TALK BRIEFLY AND IF, IF YOU CAN'T, WHICH I THINK YOU CAN, AS TO WHY, UM, THE REZONING TO AGRI, NOT AGRICULTURAL, WHAT IS IT PRESERVE? YEAH. 
          WHY THE REZONING OF THE CURRENT SCHOOL CAMPUS AND THIS SCHOOL CAMPUS, WHAT TOWN COUNCIL INTENDED IT TO BE. 
          UH, TOWN COUNCIL HAD CONCERNS THAT, THAT IT COULD, THAT, UH, THERE COULD BE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED. 
          SO THE REASON FOR EXACTLY THE REASON FOR ADDING, UM, UM, SCHOOLS TO THIS PARTICULAR USE IS SO THAT, UM, IT COULD NEVER BE TURNED INTO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IF IT CAME IN THE WAY THE CURRENT SCHOOL CAMPUS IS, THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL D DWELLING UNITS ASSIGNED TO IT. 
          SO IF IT EVER DIDN'T GET DEVELOPED AND GOT SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY COULD PUT ADDITIONAL HOUSING ON IT. 
          AND COUNCIL'S MADE IT VERY CLEAR LIKE, WE HAVE, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE DENSITY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THE REZONING ALONG WITH, UH, ANNEXATION. 
          RIGHT, AND, AND ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, IT ORIGINALLY CAME BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL ON THAT ANNEXATION REQUEST. 
          UM, AND IT WAS TO BE IN THAT RESIDENTIAL GENERAL. 
          UH, THE OTHER, UH, UH, THE REASON IT'S BEING ANNEXED IN IS BECAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT OF THE COUNTY, UM, SCHOOLS ARE NOT PERMITTED. 
          THEY'RE NOT A PERMITTED USE. 
          SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COULDN'T USE THAT TO, TO BUILD SCHOOL, WANTED TO COME INTO THE TOWN AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS EFFORT TO  IT THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE RESIDENTIAL USE COMPONENT TO IT AND PUT IT AS A PRESERVE SO IT CAN CONTINUE TO BE USED AS A SCHOOL AND A, A GREAT SOLUTION BY TOWN STAFF AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A, A SOLUTION HERE. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE I THINK IT'S CAPABLE OF MAYBE 96 UNITS AT LEAST. 
          UM, UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT, YOU COULD PUT, I THINK IT'S FOUR DAY, FOUR, FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, AND IT'S A LITTLE OVER 21 OR 22 ACRES. 
          SO, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THIS? THE COUNTY WON'T ALLOW A SCHOOL, BUT WE WILL. 
          'CAUSE WE LIKE CHILDREN. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I THINK SO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HERE IN  YOU CARE ABOUT CHILDREN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. 
          WHO KNOWS? DID THE APPLICANT WANNA SAY ANYTHING? GOOD EVENING. 
          I WILL BE BRIEF. 
          I'M SARAH ROBERTSON WITH BURR FOREMAN LAW FIRM. 
          I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WE DID ORIGINALLY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO MATCH THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE EXISTING CAMPUS. 
          WHEN COUNCIL EXPRESSED ITS DISINCLINATION FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL SOLUTION WAS PROPOSED BY TOWN STAFF. 
          EXCELLENT RECOMMENDATION AND MY COMMENDATIONS TO THEM. 
          UM, THIS MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS, ANYTHING? THERE'S NO VOTE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. FRAZIER. 
          I GUESS THAT'S, YEP. 
          YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THIS, UH, NEXT MONTH OR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          WELL, AND THEN, UM, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. 
          UH, ANY 
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ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? UR HE HE BEAT YOU TO IT. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          WOO. 
          YOU'RE WATCHING BUFORT COUNTY TV LIVE. 
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THIRD, THE SWAT TEAM. 
          WE STARTED BACK IN 1986 AND, UH, I WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST TEAM MEMBERS OF THE SWAT IN 1986. 
          AND IT WAS MAINLY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SERVE HIGH RISK WARRANTS. 
          AND, UH, AND WE WERE DURING THAT TIME WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN SOME, UH, VIP PROTECTION BECAUSE OF HILTON HEAD AND, AND SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT VISITED US HERE IN IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          UH, SWAT, UH, BASICALLY STANDS FOR SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS AND BASICALLY IT'S MADE UP OF SPECIALIZED OFFICERS WITH SPECIALIZED TRAINING AND EQUIPMENT. 
          THEIR PRIMARY MISSION IS TO SUPPORT THE ROAD PATROL. 
          ANYTHING THAT IS, THAT IS OUTTA THE CAPABILITY OF THE ROAD PATROL. 
          THE SWAT TEAM WILL HANDLE, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S ARMED AND DANGEROUS, UH, HAS AN EXTENSIVE CRIMINAL HISTORY. 
          UM, HIGH RISK WARRANT SERVICE, UM, DRUG RAIDS, UH, VIP PROTECTION, BARRICADES, HOSTAGE RESCUE, UM, OR EVEN SURVEILLANCE DETAILS WHERE WE'RE SURVEILLING AN ARMED AND DANGEROUS PERSON. 
          UM, THEY ARE CALLED IN TO DEAL WITH THAT SUSPECT DUE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THE TRAINING. 
          TRAINING, UH, CONSISTS OF, UH, WE, WE TRAIN TWICE A MONTH, EIGHT HOURS A DAY FOR A TOTAL OF 16 HOURS. 
          THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANY TYPE OF SPECIAL EXERCISES OR, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAINING. 
          AND BASICALLY WHAT THOSE TRAINING HOURS DO IS ALLOW US TO, UH, REHEARSE AND TO, UH, WORK ON THE, THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE JOB SUSPECT TAKE DOWN OBVIOUSLY WEAPONS TRAINING, UH, EXTENSIVE WEAPONS TRAINING. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE VERY, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO KEEP UP ON. 
          THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA HAS RECENTLY STARTED UP A, UH, THE, THE STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. 
          UH, OUR STATE POLICE HAS STARTED UP A WMD INITIATIVE FOR ANTI-TERRORIST OPERATIONS IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. 
          AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED SEVEN, UH, SWAT TEAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, UH, TO BASICALLY COME TOGETHER AND PROTECT THE STATE AGAINST TERRORIST, UH, UH, SITUATIONS. 
          AND DEFORD COUNTY SWAT TEAM IS ONE WE HANDLE THE LOW COUNTRY, UM, WHICH IS SEVEN COUNTIES. 
          AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE ARE, OUR TEAM IS COMBINED WITH THE HILTON HEAD ISLAND, A HAZMAT TEAM, OUR SWAT TEAM, AND THE, THE, UH, BEAUFORT COUNTY BOMB SQUAD. 
          AND WE CAN RESPOND REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE STATE, BUT NORMALLY THE LOWER PART, THE LOWER SEVEN COUNTIES OF THE STATE, UH, FOR ANY TYPE OF TERRORIST INSTANCE, WE WILL ACTUALLY RESPOND THERE AND HANDLE THOSE CALLS. 
          WHAT WE WERE TRAINED FOR HERE IS IF WE HAVE A BARRICADED SUBJECT INSIDE A BUILDING WITH A MULTI-STORY, WITH SOME WINDOWS THAT WE CAN REPEL INTO. 
          UM, SOME OF THE TIME WE CAN'T, UH, MAKE ENTRY INTO A BUILDING FROM OUTSIDE PERIMETER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WITH ALL THE WINDOWS, HE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. 
          IF WE CAN GET ON A SIDE THAT WE KNOW HE'S NOT LOOKING AT, WE CAN GET TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AND REPEL DOWN IN THROUGH THE WINDOWS AND GAIN ENTRY TO ONE OF THE MULTI, UH, STORIES AND COME DOWN THE STAIRS AND, YOU KNOW, GET TO THE SUBJECT FROM THERE WHILE, UM, AT THE SAME TIME COMING IN WITH THE ENTRY TEAM SO WE CAN GET IT FROM BOTH SIDES. 
          ONE THING IS THE COMRADERY, JUST BEING ON A TEAM ASPECT. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS AN ADRENALINE GETTER, EVERYTHING WE DO, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT EXCITING. 
          IT'S DANGEROUS, BUT IT'S ALSO EXCITING AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I SERVED FOUR YEARS WITH THE MILITARY, UM, AND THEN WENT TO COLLEGE AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO DO. 
          3, 2, 1. 
          I AM THE RAPPEL MASTER FOR THE TEAM AND THEY TOOK ME TO SCHOOLS TO LEARN HOW TO TIE THE SYSTEMS AND HOOK EVERYTHING UP SO IT'S DONE IN A SAFE MANNER. 
          IN A REAL SITUATION. 
          THEY MIGHT BE EXPECTING US TO COME FROM THE BOTTOM FLOOR, AND IN FACT, WE CAN EITHER COME THROUGH THE TOP FLOOR WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE ON US 'CAUSE WE GET THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE. 
          OR WE CAN ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPLOY FLASH BANGS. 
          ALL THESE GUYS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SWAT TEAM VOLUNTEER FOR THIS. 
          WE DON'T GET ANY EXTRA MONEY. 
          WE DON'T GET ANY EXTRA PAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, IT'S A COLLATERAL DUTY FOR THESE GUYS AND, AND THEY ALL VOLUNTEER TO DO IT AFTER COMING OUTTA THE MILITARY. 
          UH, SWAT TEAM HAD THE OPTIONS AND THE SAME THINGS I DID WHEN I WAS IN THE SERVICE. 
          AIRBORNE INFANTRY, YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE FRONT LINES, TIP OF THE SPEAR, DOING THE TYPES OF, UH, HIGH 
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SPEED THINGS THAT DID THE MILITARY, UH, PROVIDE A GREATER SENSE OF SECURITY TO THE, UH, CITIZENS COUNTY. 
          ONE THING ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I CAN DEFINITELY SAY IS WE DO HAVE THE TOP LINE EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, ALL THE NEWEST GADGETS AND GIZMOS WEAPONS, YOU KNOW, AND ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA HELP US DO OUR JOB BETTER AND SAFER. 
          WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE WEAPONS. 
          WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LARGE SELECTION OF WEAPONS FOR THE, THE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. 
          UH, LESS LETHAL MUNITIONS. 
          WE HAVE RAPPEL GEAR, RESCUE GEAR. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, WATERBORNE TYPE, UH, GEAR BECAUSE WE DO, 'CAUSE THE, THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN, WE WORK ON THE WATER A LOT. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, WHICH ARE BALLISTIC SHIELDS AND VESTS AND HELMETS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT CHEMICAL MUNITIONS. 
          SO IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO FORCE SOMEBODY OUT OF A LOCATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHEMICAL MUNITIONS THAT WE CAN DEPLOY TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT SITUATION. 
          THE BOMB TEAM CAME AROUND, UH, OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          UH, AND THE REALITY THERE IS WE WERE DEPENDENT UPON AN AGENCY, UH, WHICH IS REFERRED TO AS SLED LOCATED IN COLUMBIA, WHICH REQUIRES SEVERAL HOURS OF NOTICE BEFORE THEY CAN RESPOND AND ACTUALLY BE HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. 
          AND WE SAW THE BENEFITS OF WHAT SWAT HAS DONE, UH, FOR, FOR US LOCALLY, AND KNEW THAT THE BOMB TEAM WOULD DO THE SAME THING. 
          WE'VE HAD A BOMB SQUAD, UH, COMING UP ON THREE YEARS NOW. 
          AND, UH, I, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS, MYSELF AND THE CAPTAIN, WITH WHAT BIT OF KNOWLEDGE I DID HAVE FROM THE MILITARY OF, UH, MECHANICAL THINGS AND EXPLOSIVES AND ELECTRICAL, UH, THAT IT, THAT, UH, I MIGHT MAKE AN ASSET TO IT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK, UH, BEAUFORT COUNTY IS VERY PROGRESSIVE. 
          EVERY BOMB SQUAD IN THE UNITED STATES IS ACCREDITED THROUGH THE FBI. 
          AND ONCE WE GOT THAT ACCREDITATION, WHICH WAS A COMBINATION OF ACQUIRING THE EQUIPMENT AND SENDING OUR OUR PEOPLE TO BOMB SCHOOL, THAT'S WHEN THE, THE TEAM ACTUALLY, UH, WAS STOOD UP AND WE STARTED ANSWERING CALLS IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE HAVE HAVE GROWN BOTH OF THOSE UNITS TO INCLUDE, UH, WATER RESCUE WITH OUR ZODIAC, UH, BOAT. 
          UH, WE ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN WATERBORNE, UH, SITUATIONS, UH, BECAUSE OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE PROTECTION OF OUR COUNTY. 
          BUT WE ARE, WE'RE A COASTAL COUNTY. 
          THE, THE THEORY BEHIND ALL OF THOSE SPECIAL TEAMS IS TO HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, UH, VERY QUICKLY, UH, IN CRITICAL SITUATIONS AND TO PROTECT BEAUFORT COUNTY CITIZENS AND GUESTS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, WE'RE HERE AND SWORN TO PROTECT BECAUSE OF THE JOB. 
          WE HAVE TO BE VERSATILE. 
          WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WORK IN THE WOODS, YOU KNOW, WORK IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS, UH, UH, BECAUSE WE NEVER KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE CALLED TO, TO RESPOND TO THESE GUYS AND GALS. 
          THEY WORK HARD, THEY TRAIN HARD, UH, THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO ALL OF WHAT THEY DO, NOT ONLY WITH THEIR PRIMARY JOB, BUT THEIR SECONDARY RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL. 
          ONE IN THREE ADULTS HAS PRE-DIABETES. 
          THAT MEANS IT COULD BE YOU, YOUR DOG WALKER ON YOUR LEFT, YOUR CAT JOGGER WITH EARLY DIAGNOSIS, PRE-DIABETES CAN BE REVERSED. 
          TAKE THE RISK TEST AT, DO I HAVE PRE-DIABETES DOT ORG. 
          BEFORD COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA HAS SEVERAL JOB OPENINGS, MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, IT SPECIALISTS, LIBRARY ASSISTANTS, AND BUS DRIVERS APPLY TODAY@BUFORTCOUNTYSC.GOV.
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