[VIII.1. Consideration and Direction of Amendments to Chapter 7 - Tour Companies of the Town of Bluffton Code of Ordinances - Natalie Majorkiewicz, Director of Finance]

I MEAN THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR WORKSHOP SHIP WORKSHOP. AGENDA ITEMS CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTION OF AMENDMENTS TO THE CHAPTER SEVEN TOUR COMPANIES OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON, MISS.

NATALIE GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL I'M BRINGING BEFORE YOU CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE TOWN ORDINANCE AND IT DEALS WITH TOUR COMPANIES AND WITHIN THE CHAPTER THERE ARE FOUR TYPES OF TOUR COMPANIES THAT I HAVE LISTED HERE. THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS AND THEN GOING TO HAVE A SUMMARY SLIDE THAT WE CAN THAT I'LL LEAVE OUT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF FLIP THROUGH THESE SLIDES JUST A LITTLE QUICKLY JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE AREAS ALL OF THE TYPES OF TOUR COMPANIES OR TOUR TYPES DO REQUIRE

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BUSINESS LICENSE. SOME OF THEM DO HAVE A CAB SO ANIMAL DRAWN VEHICLES HAVE A CAP OF TWO COMPANIES AND ONLY TWO CARRIAGES PERMITTED AT ONE TIME.

THEY ALSO ALL REQUIRE A BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASS IN LICENSE AND INSURANCE.

SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ONE THERE'S A VETERINARIAN CERTIFICATION, SOME DESIGNS ROUTES HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE POLICE CHIEF AND TOURS ARE NOT PERMITTED AFTER 10 P.M. AND BEFORE 8:30 A.M. ON ALL DAYS GOING OVER TO MOTORIZED TOUR COMPANIES THIS CRITERIA IS ANY MOTOR VEHICLE MOTOR VEHICLE DRIVEN VEHICLE TRACTOR OR BUS AND THEY CAN INCLUDE BUSSES, MOPEDS, GOLF CARTS AND SEGWAYS . AND AGAIN THIS IS A LIST OF SOME OF THE CRITERIA AND BUSINESS LICENSE. AGAIN THERE'S A CAP OF NO MORE THAN TWO MOTORIZED COMPANIES BUT THE TOWN MAY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THERE'S A BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASSES REQUIRED DRIVER'S LICENSE AND INSURANCE AND AGAIN NOT PERMITTED AFTER 10 P.M. AND BEFORE 8:30 A.M. NON-MOTORIZED TOUR COMPANIES THINGS LIKE BICYCLE PEDICABS, TRUCK TRICYCLES OR TRIKES AGAIN BUSINESS LICENSE NO MORE THAN TO THE TOWN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE OPERATING THE BUSINESS OR THE BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASS IS REQUIRED AND NOT PERMITTED AGAIN WITHIN THOSE SAME HOURS AND THEN WE HAVE PEDICABS AND ANY KINDS AREN'T NECESSARILY A TOUR BUT IT'S A TYPE OF VEHICLE TO GET PEDESTRIANS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND THERE'S SOME DESCRIPTIONS ON WHAT A CAT PEDICAB IS AND A RICKSHAW AND THEY DO HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS SO THEY'RE ONLY RESTRICTED TO OLD. THERE IS A PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED THAT IS 12 MINUTES THAT IS GOOD FOR 12 MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUE IT'S A BUSINESS LICENSE IS REQUIRED AT BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASS AND THEN JUST SOME VARYING DIFFERENCES ON WHEN THEY ARE PERMITTED THE CITY THE HOURS ARE DIFFERENT SUNDAY TO WEDNESDAY VERSUS THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

OKAY. AND THEN HERE'S THE SUMMARY SHEET THAT I WAS TALKING THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON OR IF YOU NEED WOULD LIKE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION BUT THIS JUST GIVES A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS REQUIRED OR WHAT TYPE OF TOUR COMPANY SO YOU'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE GO FOR ANYBODY I'LL GO FIRST I SCARED IF YOU SCARED THE ANIMAL DRAWN GIVES ME SOME CONCERNS FIRST CONCERN IS WE ARE ALREADY CONGESTED IN OLD TOWN AND THAT HAS TO BE REALLY SCRUBBED TO FIND OUT HOW CAN THAT NOT CAUSE US ANY MORE HEADACHES AND AND ESPECIALLY DOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ALL WE'VE BEEN THERE ANYONE IS REQUESTING AT THIS POINT AT THIS NO AND THAT'S PROBABLY A NEW OKAY THE OTHER DON'T ALREADY HAVE PEDICABS RUNNING WE DO NOT ANY LICENSE THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PEDICAB LICENSE WAS IN 2019 THEY JUST LICENSE MEANING DRIVER'S LICENSE OR BUSINESS.

OKAY NON-MOTORIZED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT THAT MEANS SO THOSE WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU HAVE A BICYCLE OR EVEN A WALKING TOUR AND IT TALKED ABOUT LIKE I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SCOOTER TWO THAT DOESN'T HAVE LIKE IT'S NOT PROPELLED YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S PROPELLING THE THE MOVEMENT MOTORIZED MOTORIZED IS ONE THAT IS PROPELLED PROPELLED SO IT INCLUDES SEGWAYS MOPEDS, VEHICLES, GOLF CARTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

BUT YOUR VOTES COUNT THAT I'M SORRY YOUR VOTES VOTE TOURS. I WOULD THINK SO YES.

EMILY JUST TO ME WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BOOK COME DOWNTOWN FAIR TO I WILL SO SO REMEMBER THIS IS ALL OF THESE ARE FOR THE THESE ARE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S DOING TOWARDS ANYWHERE IN TOWN SO IF THEY'RE DOING IT PALMETTO BLUFF THEY'RE DOING IT AND BURKE WALTER THE RIVER THAT'S THE TOWN. IT'S ANYWHERE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S LIMITED DOWNTOWN IS JUST THE RICKSHAWS AND CABS. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ALSO NO

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WHO IS REQUESTING TO BE HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE ANY TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE NOT WE DON'T HAVE ALREADY. WHAT STARTED. THIS WAS WE RECEIVED ACTUALLY TWO REQUESTS RECENTLY FOR TOUR COMPANIES AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR ORDINANCE SAW THAT THERE'S A CAB AND SO WE WERE WONDERING IF COUNCIL STILL WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT CAB OR IF IT WAS OPEN FOR AND FOR AMENDING THE ORDINANCE WHAT OF WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS ARE THEY? THEY WERE BOTH MOTORIZED ONE WAS A SEGWAY TOUR SO LIKE THE STAND UP KIND OF THING THAT YOU STAND ON AND YOU MOVE AROUND AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ELECTRIC SCOOTER AND I'LL ARREST RIGHT THERE. OKAY.

YOU HAVE MISSED FRAZIER. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. MORE SOLDIERS COMMENTS.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN HAMILTON. I KNOW PART OF THE WORKSHOP YOU WERE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATIONS ON VARIOUS PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE I WOULD BE OPPOSED CURRENTLY TO ANY PERMITS EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT NOW ANYTHING FOR THE WORDS GARAGE JUST BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE CONGESTION ALREADY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND TRAFFIC NEEDS AND THE AND GO OF THAT NOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE AREA I'D BE OPPOSED TO IT I'D ALSO BE CONCERNED IN TERMS OF OUR ORDINANCE AND ANYONE WHO IS APPLYING FOR A PERMIT IF WE OFFER OR IF WE REQUIRE ANY STIPULATIONS ON HOW DO WE ENSURE THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING SHARED IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE TOWN AND BLUFFTON WOULD LIKE TO SEE A TOUR GUIDE OR TOUR OPERATOR COMMUNICATE TO WHOEVER IS ON THAT TOUR AND I KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES LIKE CHARLESTON VIVIAN AND OTHER PLACES YOU HAVE A VETTING PROCESS FOR THAT A PERMIT IS GIVEN I'D LIKE KNOW WHERE ARE WE ON THAT AND IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PEOPLE FOR IN ORDER TO GET A LICENSE AGAIN YEAH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER ANY OF I CAN ANSWER A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SO RIGHT NOW WHILE THE BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASS IS REQUIRED, THERE'S NOT A RECERTIFICATION PROCESS AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE TOUR COMPANIES ARE DISCUSSING. WE KIND OF SEE IF THEY HAD THAT CERTIFICATION PAPER AND THAT'S IT SO WE DON'T REALLY MONITOR AFTER THEY LEAVE WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THEIR TOURS BUT WE ARE KNOWING THAT IN SUBMITTING THEIR APPLICATION DO THEY SUBMIT THEY HAVE TAKEN THE COURSE OR THEY'VE MET A REQUIREMENT? WE DON'T ASK FOR IT WHENEVER THEY RENEW THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE CURRENTLY PERMITS FROM ANYONE OR QUESTIONS OR I.

I DON'T KNOW I. I'M NOT SAYING GOOD OR BAD I REALLY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT ON THE TWO LIMIT. I WAS KIND OF WONDERED ABOUT THAT WHETHER IT SHOULDN'T BE 34I KNOW YOU GOT TO STOP SOMEWHERE BUT TO KIND OF JUST LOCKS IT IN AND THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW KIND OF CONTROL I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY ELSE AT THE TABLE THINKS. I WOULD BE CURIOUS AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND WHILE THEY'RE COOL AND I'M PROBABLY TOO OLD TO BALANCE ON ONE THE SEGWAY IS I WAS CURIOUS WHAT THE CHIEF MAY THINK A GROUP OF THOSE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE HIGHWAY ARE IF YOU GOT ONE RIGHT SO I CAN BALANCE ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ON SO TELL YOU NATALIE AND I SPOKE TODAY AND WE KIND OF WENT OVER WHAT THE SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTE WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS FOR THESE SEGWAYS.

THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD TO IF IT WAS EVER IMPLEMENTED HERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AN ELECTRIC PERSONAL MOBILITY DEVICE AND IS SOUTH CAROLINA STATUTE 56 FIVE 3310 WHICH WAS JUST PASSED IN 2024 SO JUST THIS PAST YEAR THE COUPLE THEY HAVE TO GO LESS THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR OTHERWISE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IF A SIDEWALK IS THEY HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE SIDEWALK PER STATE STATUTE.

IF THERE IS NO SIDEWALK THEN THEY HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE SHOULDER THE ROADWAY IF THERE'S NO SHOULDER AND THEY HAVE TO DRIVE AS CLOSE THE SIDE OF THE ROADWAY AS POSSIBLE PER SOUTH CAROLINA'S STATUTE. SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE AS BUSY AS OUR DOWNTOWN IS SIDEWALKS

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AND PEOPLE WALK IN WILL THE SEGWAYS FIT ON THE SIDEWALKS AS REQUIRED BY STATUTE FOR THEM TO PASS SAFELY BY EVERYBODY ELSE WALKING AROUND DUE TO THE STATUTE PERTAINING TO STATE ROADS OR ALL ROADS I BELIEVE JUST STATE ROADS IT CAN APPLY. WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THIS IF WE EVER WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT INTO OUR OUR ORDINANCE WITH THAT SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE IN CARTS. THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIGHT ON THE FRONT THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM FIVE YOUR FEET. THEY HAVE HAVE REFLECTORS IN THE BACK THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM 100 FEET. IN ADDITION TO THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SIGNAL OR HORN OR BELL THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM 200 FEET AWAY.

AND SO THOSE ARE KIND THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE PICKED UP FROM THE STATUTE ITSELF ME PERSONALLY IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON THE SIDEWALK I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THEM DRIVING LATE AT NIGHT WITH THE HEAVY CROWDED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND TOURISTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SIDEWALKS AND THE NARROW SIDEWALKS THAT WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN AREA THAT BEARS THE QUESTION MAYBE COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO SCRATCH SEGWAY WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO CALL OR THE VERY LEAST WE COULD PUT A TIME LIMIT TO RIGHT I MEAN A SUNSET LIKE WE DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEM AT NIGHT I SEE THAT BEING A BOTHERSOME THING.

YEAH WE TYPICALLY WE SEE WE SEE MORE TOURISTS AT NIGHTTIME WALKING THE SIDEWALKS BUT EVEN ON THE WEEKENDS DURING THE DAY YOU KNOW AT LUNCH AND EVEN IN THE AFTERNOON WE DO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK OR DOWN THE SIDEWALK. IF YOU HAD ANY COMPLICATIONS WITH SEGWAYS IN LAST FEW YEARS. OH SIR, WE HAVE NOT. NO.

AND I IMAGINE I'M SURE LET ME SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR TOURISM TOUR GUIDES I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY JUST WALK DOWN THE STREET. NOT THAT WE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT THEM ON SIDEWALKS. THAT'S JUST ME, YOU KNOW. SO AGAIN, I WAS THE COUNSEL VOICES AN OPINION ON THIS I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN HAMILTON ON ANIMALS AND THE HORSES.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CAPPING HOW MANY OF MOTORIZED NON-MOTORIZED SO I'M NOT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF THAT LIMIT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFE SAFETY WITH THE SEGWAY AND THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. I JUST I REALLY WOULD WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF SOMEONE GETTING HIT I THINK OUR SIDEWALKS ARE NOT WIDE ENOUGH AS IS FOR THE AMOUNT OF FOOT TRAFFIC AND I CAN'T AND JUST THE PEDESTRIAN YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE'S BIKING AND THINGS NOT COMMERCIALLY AND SO I JUST I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE TOO BUT NOT I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU KNOW MORE GOLF CARTS OR MORE WALKING TOURS, BOAT TOURS, THINGS LIKE THAT AND MAYOR IF I MAY EVEN IF IF THE TOWN DECIDED OKAY WE WANT SEGWAYS BUT WE WANT THEM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF THAT BECAUSE WITH THE PARKING WITH THE CARS PARKING CARS PULLING OUT THEY MAY NOT SEE THE SEGWAYS. THERE'S REALLY NOT A SHOULDER FOR THESE SEGWAYS TO TRAVEL SAFELY WITHOUT SOME RISK INVOLVED.

BUT SO ALL OF THIS PERTAINS TO THE ENTIRE TOWN OR ARE THESE RULES ONLY FOR OLDER PART OF THE STORE? NOBODY TO TOUR OUTSIDE OF THE OLD TOWN? WELL, I MEAN I COULD FORESEE IN THE FUTURE SOMEBODY WANTING TO TOUR WE ACTUALLY HAVE OTHERS THAT DO TOUR PALMETTO BLUFF DOES TOURS OF THEIR CEMETERIES OF THEIR NATURAL BOAT TOURS OUTSIDE OF OLD TOWN WOULD BE CONSIDERED WELL SO AND THEY ALSO USE HORSES I KNOW THAT THEY'RE YOU KNOW THEY THEY GO HORSEBACK RIDING TO DO YOU KNOW I KNOW THEY DO IT'S REALLY TOUR I MEAN I'M SURE THAT IT'S A TO JUST DO WHATEVER RIDE IS MORE WITH THAT SEEMS SO AND THIS IS THE WORKSHOP SO WE JUST ALL YOU KNOW THROW UP SOME INITIAL IDEAS AND WHAT WE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING ANYWAY I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE TO COUNT PRIVATE UM YOU KNOW WHEN WE WE DON'T SAY TOURS TO ICE CREAM SHOPS ALLOWED IN TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO SEAFOOD RESTAURANTS OR TO CARLY CAR DEALER WE DON'T WE DON'T CONTROL FREE WITH ANY OTHER BUSINESS SO I THINK THAT THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF A BUSINESS WILL WILL TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW MANY IS NEEDED BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY IT'LL BE JUST LIKE THE PEDICAB THAT WE HAD FOR A FEW YEARS JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T

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LIKE PERSONALLY AND I WOULDN'T SAYING WELL WE CAN HAVE TWO COMPANIES AND YOU TWO COMPANIES HAVE THE MONOPOLY OF THIS INDUSTRY AND THAT'S JUST ME. BUT THAT GETS A RESPONSE CORRECT IS SAYING TO COMPANIES OR TO VEHICLES TO THOSE TWO COMPANIES AND THEN IT COULD BE A CAP ON ONLY TWO OF THOSE VEHICLES DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW ONE COMPANY MAY HAVE TWO VEHICLES AND THEN THAT MAY BE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE PERMITTED.

WHAT WOULD WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON WHY WOULD EVEN PUT THE NUMBER ON IT FROM THE STATE WOULD EXPERIENCE OR WHAT WOULD WE SEARCH SAYS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED I COULD NOT DETERMINE THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2011 SO I'M SURE MAYBE A TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE DO WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THE CURRENT ONES CAN LOAD AND UNLOAD AND STOP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE LOADING ZONES FOR THAT. I WANTED TO RESPOND.

MAYOR TUMA CORRECTION ON WHAT WAS SAID WE DO HAVE A CAP ON SOME PRIVATE ENTITIES OR BUSINESSES AND DOWN FOR INSTANCE WE DON'T ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS OUTSIDE OF A SPECIAL EVENT SO WE'RE GIVING CONSIDERATIONS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE REASON WE CAP SOME PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND NOT OTHERS. I'M OPPOSED TO A NUMBER ONE TO OUR COMPANIES I THINK YOU KNOW IF THEY GO THROUGH WHATEVER COMPLIANCES THAT WE HAVE I'M FINE WITH IT BECAUSE TO THE ORDINANCE AS TO WHERE IF IT'S A PEDICAB IT'S ALSO EDITION IF IT'S MOTORIZED BY BOAT OR TO BY A GOLF CART, WHATEVER IT IS. SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW WE WOULD ALLOW SIX TOUR COMPANIES TO BE IN EXISTENCE IN BLUFFTON JUST TWO AND EACH OF THOSE DESIGNATIONS I JUST SAY BE CAREFUL IN MAKING ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T GET SOME WHERE WE DO AND SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WHERE WE FELT IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO DO THAT IN ONE ENTITY WHERE WE DO IMPEDE ON SOME PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND NOT IN THIS INSTANCE OF WHAT WOULD A CONCERN BE TO HAVE TEN MOTORIZED GOLF CART OR PEDICAB TOUR BUSINESSES OPERATING IN BLUFFTON VERY CLEAR BUT FOR ME WHAT YOU MEAN THE FOOD TRUCK THEY COULD ONLY AN OLD TOWN IF IT'S A FESTIVAL OUTSIDE OF LIKE DAY TO DAY AND TWO CAN BE RIGHT NOW ZERO CAN BE INVOLVED IN THAT WHOLE TOWN RIGHT THERE IS MUCH TO DO WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS ANYTHING HERE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WITH FOR SITE THAT ANYONE WOULD SAY WOULD BE A NEED TO CAP THE AMOUNT OF AND OUR COMPANY THAT WE WOULD HAVE WOULD IT BE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS WE SEE IF WE WERE TO BE PUTTING IN CAP AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON MOTORIZED FOOD VEHICLES AND EXACTLY WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PROHIBITED PROHIBITING FOOD TRUCKS AND ALL OLDTOWN AS OF SEE THAT AS A PROHIBITION PROHIBIT THAT THEY ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE YOU NOT YOU KNOW BEING PROHIBITED FROM SOMETHING IS NOT THE SAME AS PUT IN A CAP BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A CAP LETTING TWO PEOPLE DO IT AND NOT THE REST WHEN IT'S PROHIBITED NONE NO WAY IT STILL IS EQUIVALENT THE SAME ONE BUSINESS IS STIFLED. ONE TYPE OF BUSINESS IS STIFLE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF SPECIAL EVENTS IN WHERE'S ONE HERE ISN'T BEING STIFLED EXCEPT FOR THE CAP AND YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS A REASON FOR DOING IT AND ANY OTHER BECAUSE IT CAN BE VERY VALID WHETHER IT'S IT WILL CAUSE CONGESTION TRAFFIC. I'M JUST ASKING IN THIS INSTANCE WHY WOULD WE ALLOW IT OR SOME AND NOT OTHERS I THINK BEFORE WE SAY HOW MANY WE WANT I THINK WE SHOULD TRY IF IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT I MEAN PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. WE NEED WE NEED WE NEED TO TEST THE WATERS IS OPENING THE FLOODGATES RIGHT NOW MAY NOT BE GOOD IDEA BUT THE IF RIGHT NOW SAYING OKAY LET'S LET ANY AND EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO TO HAVE ONE OF THESE MOTORIZED MOTORIZED VEHICLE DETOURS WE COULD OPEN UP A FLOODGATE RIGHT THEN AND CAN'T EVEN MANAGE IT. I'M I'M REALLY LEANING TOWARD WHAT THE CHIEF SAID ABOUT HOW CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD WHERE THEY WOULD DRIVE,

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WHAT IT WOULD HOW THEY WOULD GO UP AND DOWN THE TOWN SO I CAN GIVE YOU YOUR STATEMENT REALLY RAISE MY EYEBROWS A LOT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS SOMETHING YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN TRAFFIC THAN WE WOULD.

BUT ON THAT SAME THING CHIEF GOLF CAR TOURS BASICALLY THE MOST COMMON SENSE WAY FOR TOURS TO OPERATE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ON MY RIVER ROAD ANYWAY. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GO OVER THE ROAD DRIVE ALL ON ME RIVER ROAD BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING ON MY RIVER ROAD SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO CONTROL YOU KNOW ON ON THE ON OTHER ROADS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S WALL STREET OF CALHOUN OR WHATEVER I DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S SPEED LIMITS 20 OR 30 MILE AN HOUR I DON'T I DON'T SEE GOLF CARTS CAUSING AN ISSUE THERE PERSONALLY BUT WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I THINK I WAS OFFENDED. I JUST THINK THAT ON MAYBE WE NEED TO TEST IF IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING LET'S NOT JUST SAY WE DON'T HAVE A CAP I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CAP SHOULD MAYBE CAPS AND BE TOO BUT IF THAT'S WHERE WE GOING LET'S MAKE SURE WE DON'T WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO RECALL MAYBE THE CAP MOVES UP TO FOUR AND YOU LIMIT IT AND THEN YOU WATCH IT AND YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT AND WE COULD ALWAYS REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE DOING IT OR NOT. I THINK THE PEDICAB IS AN ISSUE WE DON'T WANT TO DO PEDICABS. I DON'T THINK BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY FACTOR.

AND THEN ANOTHER THING TOO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT EXCUSE ME ON THE MOTORIZED MOTORIZED COULD BE A VAN COULD IT NOT OKAY. OR A BUS. YES.

SO YOU COULD HAVE INSTANCES BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN TOUR COMPANIES COMING FROM PALMETTO BLUFF INTO OLD TOWN SO YOU COULD HAVE TOUR COMPANIES OPERATING BUT ONLY BETWEEN TWO BODIES AND SOMEBODY ELSE WANTING TO OPERATE PURELY IN OLD TOWN IT'S HAPPENED SO BUT IF YOU ONLY HAVE A CAP OF TWO YOU CAN'T DO IT. YEAH WELL MOTORIZED I MEAN TOUR BUSSES AND ALL. THEY'VE BEEN COMING TO BLUFFTON FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

I MEAN I KNOW MANY OF THEM WE COME TO THE OYSTER FACTORY EVEN 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THAT THEN YOU KNOW SOMETIME THEY YOU KNOW AND MORE TIMES AND NOT REALLY BY BUT THEN THEY MAY GO TO SOMEBODY'S RESTAURANT WHILE ARE HERE IN BLUFFTON AND GO HAVE LUNCH AND BUY SOME SOME I DID THE CAP STUFF AND WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT ANYWAY THE CAP PERTAINING TO MOTORIZED IT DID NOT BREAK DOWN AND NOT HAVE THAT WE CAN WE BREAK DOWN MOTORIZED TO MORE DETAILS AND THAT AND THE NON-MOTORIZED I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH CAPPING WALKING TOWARDS AND SO CAN WE YOU DO HAVE A I DON'T THINK WE NON-MOTORISED I MEAN WALKING TOURS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CAPITAL TO IT'S NOT I DON'T SEE IT BUT NOT I THINK CAN WE BREAK IT DOWN AND HAVE MORE SPECIFIC SO BOATS AND GOLF CARTS AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF ANY ORDINANCE IT IS BROKEN DOWN BY CARRIAGE TO BUS. OH THAT'S YEAH LET'S LET'S PUT THIS PUT LET'S DEFINE WHAT A MOTOR IS OKAY AND I DO HAVE THAT SO I WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH MAYBE SO LIKE COUNCILMAN BURTON WAS ALLUDING TO WAS MAYBE WE CAN START THE DIFFERENT TYPES.

YEAH. AND SEE IF YOU STILL WANT TO GO WITH KEEPING THEM IN THE ORDINANCE OR IF YOU WANT COMPLETELY TAKE THEM OUT OR WE WANT TO AMEND THEM.

SO WITH THE ANIMAL DRAWN VEHICLES WE DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE WITH THIS EFFECT TRAIL RIDES UPON NOTABLE WOULD HAVE TO LIMIT IT TO YOU WANTED TO OUTLAW THEM YOU HAVE TO LIMITED TO JUST THE OLD TOWN OR IT WOULD APPLY TOWN WIDE AND IT WOULD APPLY OUT IN OUR BLOCK. NOW WHETHER THEY'RE TOURS OR NOT RIGHT THAT'S A DEFINITIONAL PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE BIKES WE'RE NOT ALL EITHER YOU KNOW YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF TRUE RIGHT I'M GOING TO GO OFF ON HORSES BEFORE PERSONALLY I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BEFORE WE GET RID OF SAY NO ANIMAL DRAWN I JUST WANT PROTECT OLD TOWN YOU KNOW WE DON'T WE DON'T AND MAYBE

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THAT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT BUT THAT'S THE CONGESTION IN IN IN IN THIS AREA IS IS IS OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM IS I THINK SOME OF THESE RESTRICTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE TRYING TO JUST THINK ABOUT RESTRICTING WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOT REALIZING THAT IT ACTUALLY GOES TOWN WIDE SO IT COULD BE THAT WE COULD LOOK TO COME BACK AND SAY WITHIN OLD TOWN WE ONLY WANT WE CAN WE CAN TAKE WHAT OFF SAID AND COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS BUT IT COULD BE LIKE WITHIN TOWN WE DON'T WANT ANIMAL DRAWN VEHICLES BUT IT COULD BE IN OTHER PLACES IN AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT AND WE CAN WE CAN BRING BACK THE OTHER THING IS IS WHEN THE PEOPLE CAME IN ASKING ABOUT OPENING ANOTHER DURING THE THE TOUR IT RAISED THE QUESTION OF LIMITS IT ONLY TO THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOWN RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BRING IT BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE WOULDN'T EVEN ABLE TO LICENSE ANOTHER COMPANY AND WE PROBABLY HAVE OPERATING THAN ABOVE THE LIMIT THAT WE CURRENTLY FOR SOME THINGS SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT IT WE CAN GO AND TRY TO POOL AND SEE WHAT'S OPERATING BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING IN OLD TOWN AND THROUGH THE SO IF WE YOU KNOW SAY WE HAVE FOUR OPERATING RIGHT NOW THAT BE A GOOD BASIS TO GO IF WE WANT TO HAVE A NUMBER LIMITED AND WE CAN KIND OF DO THAT IN THE INTERIM BEFORE WE BRING ANYTHING BACK FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE THINK THE NUMBER MAY BE A LITTLE LOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE HIGHER THERE MAY NEED TO ALSO BE SOME RESTRICTIONS DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S WHAT OF MOTORIZED IT IS. SO I THINK WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT TOGETHER ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO KIND OF MOVE THAT FORWARD AND MAYBE ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF GROWTH MAYBE IF THERE'S THREE NOW WE ALLOW FOUR IF THERE'S TWO WE MAY ALLOW YOU KNOW WE CAN PUT SOME OF THAT THINGS IN PLACE.

IF I'M OFF ON THAT PLEASE LET ME KNOW. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE WE COME BACK NEXT TIME AND MAYBE WE CAN SOME COMMENTS FROM SOME OTHER PLACES . SO NATALIE DID DO SOME OF THAT SO SHE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. I LOOKED AT THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD BEFORE COUNTY CITY VIEW FOR CHARLESTON AND SAVANNAH TOWN OF HILTON HEAD DOES NOT REGULATE THEIR TOURS NOR DOES COUNTY CITY. BEAUFORT DOES HAVE A A HORSE DRAWN TOUR CARRIAGE ORDINANCE.

IT APPLIES ONLY TO THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT ASSISTS WITH THE CERTIFICATION FOR THOSE TOURS CHARLTON AND SAVANNAH ARE LARGER THAN US. THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIVISION AND A COMMITTEE ASSIST THEM WITH THEIR TOURISM AND IN THE TOURS THAT THEY OFFER SAVANNAH OFFERS BADGES CHARLESTON HAS CERTIFICATE OR CERTIFICATION AND AGAIN THEY'VE GOT COMMISSIONS.

THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE MONTHLY REPORTS THEY PROVIDE TO THE CITY AND CITY.

BEAUFORT HAS QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THERE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF TOUR COMPANIES. I COULD NOT FIND ANY RESTRICTIONS AND WHEN I REACHED OUT THEM AS WELL NOR THE TYPE. SO DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE SEGWAY IN ELECTRIC SCOOTERS? AS FAR AS I DID NOT LOOK AT THE TYPES BUT I CAN I THINK MY LAST QUESTION ON IS WHEN WE GRANDFATHER THOSE EXISTING COMPANIES INTO WHATEVER OUR WHATEVER LIMIT WE DO THAT I'M INTO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A WE'RE LOOKING AT MOTORIZED INSTANCE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE CURRENTLY OPERATING AND PROBABLY ONLY TWO WITHIN LICENSE. SO WOULD WE LOOK OVER TIME AND WHEN I SAY MOTORIZED NOT INCLUDING THOSE ON BOAT IS MOTORIZED THROUGH A GOLF CART DOORS RIGHT NOW BUT THAT WAS WHERE I MENTIONED LIKE OF WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF EXISTING CURRENTLY I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NUMBER THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS MAYBE WE USE THAT AS THE RECOMMENDED BASELINE FOR ANYTHING IF WE DO WANT TO HAVE A LIMIT AND LIKE YOU SAID IF THERE'S THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE KIND OF OPERATING THAT WE CAN START AT THAT POINT AND THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE, RIGHT? OKAY.

THE QUESTION IS LIKE YOU SAID IS WHICH ONES ARE ACTUALLY LICENSE VERSUS MAYBE OUT THERE OPERATING THAT WE AREN'T AWARE OF ? OKAY.

SO WE'LL KIND OF PUT SOME PARAMETERS MOTORIZED THE LOCATION FOR THE ANIMAL DRAWN UM AND THEN SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER TOUR COMPANIES PERMITTED THE BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASS REQUIREMENTS ANY CONSIDERATIONS

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RIGHT NOW JUST AS AT THE BLUFFTON HISTORY CLASSES REQUIRED BUT I THINK THAT'S VITAL FOR TO TO SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE IN AND FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE SAME WORKSHEET TO WORK FROM BECAUSE I REMEMBER FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A ISSUE WITH THE WITH PEOPLE MAKING AN INAPPROPRIATE INACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHO WE WERE AS A TOWN AS AS HISTORY GO.

THAT WAS SO I REMEMBER THAT SO AND WE HAD TO KNOW SOMETHING FROM THE DAWSON SO WE HAD TO WE PULLED THEM BACK IN LINE AND THEN ALSO WITH THE TOURS ARE WE ONLY GOING TO REQUIRE THE HISTORY OF IT FOR ME SO THERE'S MAYBE LIKE A WALKING WHEN WE OPEN THE NEW RIVERSIDE TRAIL THERE COULD BE A WALKING TOUR OF THE VARIOUS PLANTS OR BIRDS OR WILDLIFE OUR AREA ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT TYPE TOUR OR FOOD TOURS OR SOMETHING THAT THAT MAY OCCUR? I I'M I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HISTORY. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO KNOW THE OLD TOWN I THINK THEY KNOW I THINK THEY NEED A CLASS OF STUFF.

I THINK YOU CAN SAY I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND BIRD IT IS. OKAY.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE BASELINE IN CASE I GET QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THE HOURS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED YEAH. OKAY.

ARE WE GOING TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE LOCATIONS AND IT SOUNDED LIKE IT FOR THE HORSE OR THE WHOLE ANIMAL WAS INSTRUCTED FROM TOWN TO TOWN AND SEGWAYS AND IS NOT OKAY FOR SCOOTERS OKAY HERE AND THEN THE NEXT CONSIDERATION IS IF WE WANTED TO TREAT THESE MORE LIKE A PERMIT LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THE MOBILE BANDING OR IT'S AN ANNUAL APPLICATION WHERE YOU COME IN WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE CERTIFIED WE LOOK AT THEIR LICENSE OR INSURANCE ALL OF THAT WHENEVER THEY RENEW THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE I THINK THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER THAT MOST OF THEM ARE CHARGING FEES TO THE CUSTOMERS OR WHOEVER PATRONIZING THEIR DOOR THAT THEY'RE OPERATING. AND IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER A PERMIT TO SIMILAR TO THE MOBILE VENDING AND SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT MAYBE NOT AS I WOULD SAY MAKE IT COMPARABLE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE REVENUE THAT THEY'RE GENERATING MAY NOT BE AS MUCH.

BUT IF WE SAW CHARLES AND WHOEVER ONE OF THEM HAS LIKE WHAT IT'S $50 OR SOMETHING I THINK HAVING SOMETHING REQUIRED FOR THEM I AGREE WITH YOU. DO I NEED I NEED A TRANSLATOR.

BRIGITTE. I NEED ONE PERSONALLY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T DO TO EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF SIMILAR AND JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING PEOPLE ON TOUR AND TALKING ABOUT OUR PROMOTING OUR TOWN WHICH HELPS THE TOWN AND HELPS ALL THE BUSINESSES THE MORE EDUCATED OUR VISITORS ARE WE DON'T YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A IT'S A BUSINESS YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OR THEY'RE CHARGING FEES AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOU GOT TO DO IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAY IN BUSINESS BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY BILLS MONEY YOU WON'T SEE THEM OUT THERE DOING IT AND THAT THAT'S PART OF IT THE DOLLAR SIDE OF IT WELL REGULATE WHAT THE DEMAND IS WHETHER PEOPLE STANDING ON THE CORNER FOR A TOUR AND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE BUYING ANOTHER CART AND ANOTHER OR YOU KNOW, STARTING ANOTHER BUSINESS. SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'M FINE WITH THEM HAVING A BUSINESS LICENSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT'S MAKING AND I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HOG TIME TOO TIGHT, YOU KNOW THAT WHERE IT'S UNFAIR TO DO THAT PARTICULAR INDUSTRY DO WE KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COMPARABLE TOWNS IF THEY CHARGE A PERMIT FEE? I DON'T OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO NICKEL AND DIME BAR IN CHARLESTON AND SAVANNAH ARE JUST ON A LARGER SCALE.

CURIOUS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD I GUESS BUT I JUST WORRY ABOUT NICKEL AND DIMING WHEN YOU USE

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LICENSE THAT THEY PAY. YOU KNOW HYPOTHETICALLY JUST BECAUSE THIS GOES ON WE KNOW IT GOES ON. SO WHAT TALKING ABOUT IS IF A TOUR GROUP FROM SAVANNAH WANTS TO TO BLUFFTON AND BRING YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES SEE WELL THEY CALL THOSE TOURS WITH THE OLDER ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL ALL AROUND THEY WANT TO COME TO BLUFFTON.

SO ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO BRING THE PEOPLE IN BLUFFTON TO GO TO OUR RESTAURANTS OR OUR BUSINESSES AND SHOP? THAT'S NOT A TOUR IF THEY'RE COMING IN THAT'S BRINGING THEM HERE. BUT THIS IS REGULATED THROUGH WHO IS ACTUALLY THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OPERATING ON TOUR AND GIVING LIKE ACTING AS A TOUR GUIDE OF BLUFFTON AND GUIDING PEOPLE THROUGH THE AREA IS WELL REGULATED BUT WE DON'T RESTRICT BUSSES NOW LIKE WE HAVE BUSSES THAT COME FROM MYRTLE BEACH TO THE FARMERS MARKET AND WE DON'T CONSIDER THEM A TOUR BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BRINGING PEOPLE TO A DESTINATION BUT THEY'RE NOT OPERATING AS TOUR COMPANY. I AGREE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE ABOUT TO RESTRICT TOUR BUSSES FROM COMING IN YOU KNOW OKAY THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO REGULATE IT EITHER FOR THEMSELVES BUT IT'S ENOUGH TO WANT TO DO ANOTHER HOUR YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION WE WILL BRING THIS BACK BEFORE YOU AT THE APRIL MEETING FOR FIRST READING AND THEN SECOND AND FINAL IN MAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. GOOD JOB, NATALIE. THANK YOU.

OKAY. UP NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL FOR MISS MICHELLE.

I DON'T SEE HER HERE SO WE'LL SKIP THAT FOR NOW JUST IN CASE SHE'S CAUGHT BEHIND A HORSE

[X.1. Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Town of Bluffton FY 2025 Budget to Provide for the Expenditures of Certain Funds and to Allocate Sources of Revenue for the Said Funds Second & Final Reading - Natalie Majorkiewicz, Director of Finance]

CARRIAGE OR SOMETHING. YOU'RE RUNNING LATE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FORMAL AGENDA ITEMS. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET TO PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN EXPENDITURES OF CERTAIN FUNDS AND TO ALLOCATE SOURCES OF REVENUE FOR FUNDS. AND THIS WILL BE SECOND AND FINAL READING. MS. NATALIE YES. OKAY.

SO THERE WERE NO CHANGE AND GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THERE WERE NO CHANGES FROM FIRST READING. I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE AGAIN.

THE TOTAL IMPACT WAS WELL OVER $1,000,000 BUT SOME OF THOSE WERE TRANSFERS.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE TO YOU I'LL MAKE A MOTION I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND AND FINAL READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON FISCAL YEAR 2025 BUDGET TO PROVIDE FOR THE EXPENDITURES OF CERTAIN FUNDS AND TO ALLOCATE SOURCES OF REVENUE FOR THE SAID FUNDS.

THERE ARE A SECOND CIRCUIT ALL IN FAVOR SAY I THAT'S UNANIMOUS THANK YOU.

[X.2. Consideration of Approval of an Initial Master Plan for New Riverside Parcel 5A South Consisting of 76 Single-Family Lots on Approximately 63 Acres of Land Located on the West Side of New Riverside Road South of Existing Alston Park Phase 2 and Zoned New Riverside Planned Unit Development - Kevin Icard, Director of Growth Management]

THANK YOU. AND NEXT WE HAVE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR NEW RIVERSIDE PARCEL FIVE A SOUTH CONSISTING OF 76 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON APPROXIMATELY 63 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD SOUTH OF THE EXISTING AUSTIN PARK TWO AND ZONE NEW RIVERSIDE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT MR. KEVIN I CAN'T THANK YOU MAYOR GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL UNFORTUNATELY WILL NOT BE THAT FAST TONIGHT SO JUST GO AHEAD CLEARLY STATE THAT NOW AS YOU JUST STATED WE ARE HERE FOR INITIAL MASTER PLAN THIS IS A THE PHASE THREE PORTION OF THE OF THE AUSTIN PARK WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE WHICH IS WHEN REGINA'S KEEFER AND THEY'RE ABLE TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION THIS PART OF THE NEW RIVERSIDE THE AMIGO JUST FROM AN AERIAL STANDPOINT YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE RED LIGHT THIS IS FROM THE CONCEPT PLAN UH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE SITE FROM 76 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE SDA SO THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2004 FOR A NEW RIVERSIDE VILLAGE. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD WAS DEALING WITH TRAFFIC AND I KNOW THAT IT ALWAYS COMES UP FROM A TRAFFIC STUDY.

THE INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PERFORMED FOR NEW RIVERSIDE WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY CONCEIVED AND WHAT WE DID IS WE REQUIRED THAT A AND THIS IS A LIKE A TECHNICAL MEMO WAS PROVIDED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CONNECTION ON PHASE THREE INTO HOLLY HILL LANE SO I'M JUMPING AROUND HERE

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A LITTLE BIT BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS THIS DID GO IN FRONT OF A PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 22ND, 2023. SO IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS IN THAT TIME BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION COMING IN FRONT OF YOU. WE HAD SOME SOME ISSUES HOLLY HILL LANE THE ROAD THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT I'LL SHOW TO HERE IN JUST A SECOND OF DEALING WITH THE THERE'S CERTAIN THAT WERE ON PROPERTIES AND IT JUST TOOK A VERY VERY LONG TIME TO GET ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TAKEN CARE OF GETTING THOSE EASEMENTS REMOVED OFF OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT IT JUST IT JUST TOOK THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD THAT. THE OTHER WAS WE DID REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING. STAFF MEMBER DAN FRAZIER WAS IN ATTENDANCE OF THAT MEETING I BELIEVE THAT WAS MONTHS MONTHS AGO.

IF NOT OVER A YEAR AGO AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS NECESSARILY WITH NEW NEW DEVELOPMENT BUT JUST THE AMENITIES ASPECT THE THE THE EXISTING RESIDENTS HAD CONCERNS THAT THESE NEW RESIDENTS WOULD BE USING THE AMENITIES IN THEIR SITE WHICH IS A THAT IS A PRIVATE PRIVATE USE PRIVATE ISSUE AND DOESN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT THE MASTER PLAN PORTION OF THIS. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF THROW THOSE OUT THERE, UM, AGAIN HERE'S THE SITE LOCATED OFF A NEW OVERSIGHT ROAD IT IS NORTH OF THE HAVEN OF EXISTING AUSTIN PARK FROM AN AERIAL STANDPOINT YOU SEE HERE THIS ALSO HAS TO THE TO THE WEST SOUTHWEST IS PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY BEAUFORT COUNTY FOR A PASSIVE PARK THAT CAME IN FRONT OF YOU FIVE FIVE YEARS AGO I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND WITH THAT THE ACCESS FROM HOLLY HILL ROAD OR HOLLY HILL LANE IF YOU IF YOU REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE COUNTY CAME IN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A GRAVEL ROAD FROM FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD ALONG HOLLY HILL LANE WHICH IS JUST A RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PAVEMENT OR ANYTHING THERE NOW THE GRAVEL ROAD ALL THE WAY BACK TO THEIR SITE AS WELL AS AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE PAVED PEDESTRIAN PATH. SO THAT WAS CLEARLY ESTABLISHED WHEN THAT MASTER PLAN CAME IN WITH THIS MASTER PLAN AS ITS COME IN I HAVE AN EXHIBIT OF THE IMAGE OF THE LAYOUT OF THE 50 EXCUSE ME 76 UNITS WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD THE PORTION OF HOLLY HILL LANE THAT IS FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS LOCATED IS BENTON CIRCLE WHICH IS AN DRIVEWAY CONNECTION POINT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PAVED SO THAT PORTION OF ROADWAY BE PAVED AS WELL AS PAVING THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK AT THAT LOCATION. WHAT THIS DOES IS IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS TO THE I THINK THE INITIAL PROJECT WHEN IT CAME IN IT JUST HAD AN ACCESS TO BENTON CIRCLE AND WORKED WITH THE THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTION OF HOLLY HILL LANE AS WELL AS OBVIOUSLY INTERNAL CONNECTIONS THE HOLLY HILL LANE SECTION HERE YOU CAN JUST SHOW THAT THERE'S VEGETATIVE BUFFERS ALONG BOTH SIDES. NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT WILL THIS BE ON EXISTING RESIDENTS PHASE TWO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS WITH BUFFER IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL VEGETATION IN IT ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED THERE'S IN RIGHT NOW IT'S PLANTED PINE TREES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GREAT BUFFER. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO WORK WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, WORKING WITH STAFF, BEING ABLE TO GO BACK IN AND SELECTIVELY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING ON BOTH SIDES AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS PROVIDE TWO LAYERS OF BUFFERING BETWEEN EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THEN FUTURE RESIDENTS.

AS I STATED THIS DID GO TO A PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE THERE ARE SOME THEY HAD A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTING THIS OR THE RECOMMENDATION I WILL GO THROUGH THIS WHERE IT SAYS THE FIRST PHASE OF SHELBY SHOCK AND SHELBY CONSTRUCTING THE HOLLYWOOD LANE FROM HOOVER SIDE ROAD TO THEIR ENTRANCE AT BENTON CIRCLE THIS INCLUDES CONNECTIVITY ALSO IN PARK DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD WILL INITIALLY CONSIST OF SUB BASE BINDER COURSE WITH TOP CURVE TO BE ADDED PRIOR TO FINAL CERTIFICATE COMPLIANCE REASON BEHIND THAT IS THAT THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T COMPLETELY DESTROY

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COMPLETELY DESTROY THE ROAD BUT TOWARDS THE END THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN, PUT THAT LAST COAT OF ASPHALT IN SO THAT WAY IT IS A IN ESSENCE A NEW LOOKING PIVOT.

YES, SIR. MAY I JUMP ON THAT? YES, SIR.

I KNOW A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY USE THE ROADWAY LIKE THAT, THEY LEAVE ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN INCH SHORT FROM WHERE THE CURVE IS TO DO THE FINAL.

YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, PAVE OVER ALSO THOUGH AS WE ALL KNOW WHEN, YOU HAVE HEAVY TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT OF AN AREA. THEY COULD STILL EITHER CAVE IN AND CRACK THE ROADWAY WITH THE FINAL TIME. WHO'S WHO EXPECTS THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S STILL QUALITY AND CALIBER BEING TURNED. SO TYPICALLY MOST ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS SO YOU AS THE DEVELOPER YOU ARE GOING TO CAUSE YOU AS THE DEVELOPER YOU HAVE HIRED OUT SOMEONE TO DO THE WORK AND THEN YOU WILL GET A AND AS A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR TO COME AND THE ROAD CONDITIONS AND DETERMINE IF THERE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED PRIOR TO THAT FINAL TOPCOAT ON TO DEVELOP THIS ISSUE YES SIR SO THE PEOPLE YOU WANT US TO KEEP INSTEAD OF COMING BACK WITH QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO DO OKAY.

I SAY OKAY SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION THEIR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE WHICH I THINK IS GREAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY BUILT WITH WHAT'S NEW PHASE CONSTRUCTION I DO HAVE A QUESTION WITH THE AMOUNT I DON'T I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE LONG TERM USE OF THIS ROAD IS GOING TO BE AS WELL. YOU KNOW IN THE CONNECTIVITY I DON'T WANT TO SAY OH WELL WE CAN USE IT EXCLUSIVELY UNTIL CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETED YOU KNOW AND COME BACK LIKE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY STILL HAVE THREE LOTS TO BUILD EIGHT YEARS LATER YOU KNOW SO SO WHEN WHEN WILL THAT IF YOU KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT YEAH I WANT TO SEE THE ROAD GO ALL THE WAY TO WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT THAT THEY TO DO IT BUT THEY WON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE ROAD WHEN WHEN WILL THE ROAD BECOME USABLE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. WELL BY THE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC THE FULL LENGTH OF THE ROAD TO THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY I HYPOTHETICALLY IF IF THE OTHER INVOLVED PLAYERS WANT TO GO IN AND BUILD A CONNECTOR ROAD THE OTHER SECTION OF IT OKAY I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING AS A SEQUENCING STANDPOINT FROM SEQUENCING DRAWING WHETHER YES.

FOR FOR THE TIME LINE AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE ARE USED TO BE IMPROVEMENT ARE THESE PEOPLE HERE BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE ROAD? NO, NO.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY COMING ON THIS ROAD RIGHT HERE.

YEAH. AND KEEP AN ONGOING PART OF THIS ROAD HERE.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THAT PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE YOU WERE PART OF UNITED STATES, RIGHT? OKAY. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE IS THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO BUILD FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD RIGHT HERE WITH THE CUSTOMER TO THIS ENTRANCE INTO THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENT. BUT THEY'RE ALSO CONNECTED TO THE PHASE ONE AND TWO AS WELL.

YEAH, WELL THAT'S THAT'S ON THEM I'M SURE THEY THEY WILL CONNECT THAT YES WHAT I'M SAYING THERE'S A FUTURE DESIRE FOR THIS ROAD TO CONTINUE SO HOW ONCE THE ROADS BUILT AND IF THEY IF THE ROAD NEED WAS IF WE'RE READY OR THE PEOPLE ARE READY TO EXTEND THE ROAD ARE THERE ANY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS ROAD FOR FUTURE CONSTRUCTION WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LANE FROM WHERE IT IS NOW IS BEING PROPOSED TO GO INTO THE CONNECTIVITY CIRCLE HE'S ACTING THE FULL DEVELOPMENT OF HOLLY ULA FROM ONE SIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER THE WAY THAT WHAT I'M SAYING CAMERAS ONCE THEY BUILD THIS FOR THEM CONSTRUCTION YEAH DO WE HAVE TO WAIT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE NO THIS BECOMES YOU KNOW PUBLIC ACCESS TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH YOU KNOW SO IF THE OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO START BUILDING THE ROAD ON THE OTHER END OF THEIR OBLIGATION THEY COULD THEY COULD START ANY TIME THEY COULD START ANY TIME ONCE THEY START USING IT FOR CONSTRUCTION. YES.

YES. YEP. OKAY.

YEAH. AND I WANTED TO GET TIED IN FIVE YEARS OR EIGHT YEARS AND

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CORRECT AND NOT BY NO MEANS AM I TRYING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT AND THEY'RE HERE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS. BUT SINCE THIS IS ONLY 76 HOMES, MOST LIKELY THIS IS IN YOU KNOW I'LL REFER TO IS LIKE ONE OR TWO SUB PHASES MEANING THAT THIS WILL MOST LIKELY GO RELATIVELY QUICK FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOMES AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE GOTTEN TO A POINT THEY HAVE THEY'RE ABLE TO TO CLOSE OUT CLOSE OUT THE IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD THEN THEY WOULD FINISH OFF THE THAT COAT OF THE ROAD AND THEN THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. THE HEAVY TRAFFIC WILL BE GONE AND ALL YOU WOULD HAVE IS JUST YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS COMING IN AND YOU KNOW, THE PICKUP TRUCK TYPE CONTRACTORS AT THAT POINT . I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IF THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO THE ROAD ARISES THAT THERE'S NO RESTRAINTS ON GETTING USE IN THAT RIGHT AWAY.

OKAY. AND MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO COUNCIL'S CONDITIONS, WE CAN WE CAN CLARIFY THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S ON ON WITH THAT.

OKAY. UM, SO THEN NUMBER THREE WOULD BE THE APPLICANT SHALL UPDATE MASTER PLAN TO SHOW THE ASPHALT PATHWAY WIDTH WITHIN THE HOLLY HILL LANE BUFFER THE THE THE IMAGES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OR WHAT WERE SUBMITTED AT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIOR US PUTTING A STAMP OF APPROVAL ON A SET OF PLANS.

THEY WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE UPDATED TO SHOW THAT FULL TO BIT CIRCLE AND THEN FOR THE MASTER PLAN CONCEPTUAL IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH TOWN STAFF TO SERVICE SAVE AS MANY TREES AS PRACTICAL AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT TRANSMITTAL WE HAVE TO REMEMBER OUT OF MASTER PLAN THIS IS LEVEL CONCEPTUAL AS THEY THEY NARROW IN ON THE DEVELOPMENT WHAT WE DO AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IS THAT STAFF WILL GO WITH THE ENGINEERS AND WALK THE SITE BEFORE THERE'S ANY CONSTRUCTION AND WE'LL USE THE TREE SURVEY AND DETERMINE WHICH TREES ARE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SAVE ON A TREE SURVEY IT'LL SAY A 28 INCH LIVE OAK AND YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND IT'S A A BROKEN TRUNK OR IT'S HOLLOWED OUT AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY IS A TREE THAT IS WORTH SAVING JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LARGER NUMBER DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S A BETTER TREE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO DO IS TO LOOK AT TREES THAT SOMETIMES ARE EVEN SMALLER AND CALIBER. THAT WAY WE CAN AND IF THEY'RE GROUPED TOGETHER WE CAN THEN SAVE THOSE TREES, KNOW THAT THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO TO LAST LONGER. WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO ADJUST LIGHT LINES BASED OFF OF WHAT'S ON THIS PLAN IN ORDER TO SAVE THOSE TREES.

HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION DO WE GIVE A TIMELINE OF EXPECTATION OF COMPLETING BUFFER WHEN YOU ALL SUBMIT THE WHEN AN APPLICANT GETS THE CONDITIONS OF THEIR MASTER PLAN IN REGARDS TO WE KNOW THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE AND ONCE THEY SEE LIKE THE CLEAR CUTTING AND OTHER THINGS OF THE OUTDOOR OR THE UPPER THAT WE SEE THAT WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS NEVER GOING TO GO DOWN GOES DOWN. DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE IN THERE OF WHEN THOSE RESIDENTS WILL BE IMPACTED? SO I REACHED WE CAN SAY LIKE HEY WITHIN X AMOUNT OF TIME THE HAS BEEN GIVEN THIS TIME FRAME TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUFFER IS IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THEIR WAY OF LIFE IN TERMS OF WHAT WERE GOING TO DO.

SURE. OBVIOUSLY AGAIN BACK TO THAT SEQUENCING STANDPOINT THE AREAS THAT HAVE TO BE CLEARED IF THERE'S DRAINAGE THEY HAD TO DRAINAGE HAS TO BE INSTALLED STABILIZED YOU KNOW UTILITIES ARE INSTALLED AND THEN IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE THEY WHEN THEY EVENTUALLY GO FOR THEIR FINAL CERTIFICATE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN PLACE. SO WE DON'T FINALIZE WE DON'T FINALIZE THIS UNTIL LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS BEEN INSTALLED AGAIN WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WE TRY WORK WITH THEM TO SEE AREAS THAT CAN BE SAVED IN THESE BUFFERS OR IF THERE'S AREAS WHERE IT IS IT'S OF VEGETATION WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO, GET THAT INSTALLED AS WELL. BUT THAT'S THAT WON'T HAPPEN AT THE FRONT END.

THE LAST THING YOU WOULD DO IS START INSTALLING LANDSCAPING WHEN THERE'S NO IRRIGATION AND NO PUMPS FOR THE IRRIGATION AND VEHICLES THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF RUNNING OVER IT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN WHO DOES, YOU KNOW, CLEAR CUT TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THE PROJECT IS SITTING TO THREE YEARS AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE NEIGHBORING TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT ARE NOW WAITING AND YOU KNOW, IT RAISES SECURITY ISSUES.

I KNOW FOR SOME BECAUSE IT GOES FROM HAVING, YOU KNOW, A PROTECTED BUFFER TO JUST BEING AN OPEN ENDED LANDSCAPE SO THAT I MEAN DEALING WITH ONE LIKE THAT NOW IS NOT EASY IT ALL

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TIES IN TO THE BONDING RIGHT? THE THERE IS STORMWATER BONDS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT INTO PLACE AND THEN WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS IF IF THE APPLICANT NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD THEY CAN BOND LANDSCAPING TYPICALLY WE THEY DON'T DO THAT OKAY BUT IS IT POSSIBLE WELL BOND YOU CAN BOND YOUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE I MEAN THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT BUT WE'RE REFERRING TO LIKE AS YOU'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT IF YOU NEEDED TO GET SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD YOU COULD BOND BUT LET'S SAY THAT BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE SEASON IS THAT YOU WOULDN'T INSTALL TREES AT THIS STANDPOINT YOU YOU'D WAIT LIKE THREE MONTHS TO A DIFFERENT SEASON. YOU COULD BOND AMOUNT IN ORDER TO GET YOUR APPROVALS KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND STILL DO THAT. THE REASON I ASK IS TO HER POINT IS YOU KNOW TALKED WITH HEATHER BUT LOT YOU IN ANOTHER PHASE OF THIS WHERE THE PORCH IS DONE THERE'S A BOND SITTING OUT THERE BUT THE DEVELOPER YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING TO STAY WITH THE DEVELOPER HASN'T CLOSED OUT AND SO IT'S STATUS QUO RIGHT. YEAH.

YOU MENTIONED POSSIBLE IDEAS FOR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION OR COUNCILMAN FRAZIER BROUGHT UP SO IF YOU PUT THAT IN THERE HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? I MEAN THE STAFF ENFORCES IT OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY HILL LANE AND THE TWO BUFFERING AREAS ON SIDE OF THAT, IF YOU PUT THE CONDITION THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TO CREATE AN OPAQUE BUFFER IN THOSE AREAS, YOU THEN GIVE THE DISCRETION TO STAFF AND WHAT WE AND THE APPLICANT THEN KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE THERE IN REQUIRED TO DO AND THEN WE GO OUT THERE FROM A SITE SITE DESIGN STANDPOINT AND SAY YES THIS CAN ALL YOU KNOW THIS IS BAD, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS BAD INSTALL HERE INSTALL THERE AND THEN WE CATER THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN BASED WHAT'S EXISTING, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE SAVED AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE REMOVED.

THEN WHEN WE APPROVE LANDSCAPE PLAN THE APPLICANT IS THEN BOUND TO THAT TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IMAGINE GOING BACK TO YOUR SLIDE THAT HAS THE STREET WOULD THAT SHOW. THANK YOU. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER ON BOTH SIDES AT BEGINNING WILL BE CLEARED FOR SOME OF IT WILL BE CLEARED OR IS IT GOING TO REMAIN UNTOUCHED POTENTIALLY, BE CLEARED DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S ANY IF THERE'S AREAS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THAT'S REQUIRED IF THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE IF YOU'RE CUTTING ACROSS A BUFFER, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CUT CROSS BUFFERS IN ORDER TO INSTALL INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WOULD WE WOULD BE PICKING THIS ALL UP DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING PROCESS. SO WAY WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEE THOSE AREAS SAY YOU WILL NOT TOUCH THESE AREAS YOU CAN CUT THROUGH HERE TO PROVIDE YOU KNOW, WHATEVER NECESSARY SERVICES YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, INSTALL STORM POND OR YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO SLIGHT GRADING IN ORDER TO GET WATER TO RUNOFF TO A DITCH THINGS OF THAT NATURE WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BUT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO NOT TOUCH THE BUFFER AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I MEAN I THINK THAT AUSTIN PARK PHASE TWO THAT BACKS UP TO THIS I MEAN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT THAT CLEARED AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US I MEAN I HOPE TO LEAVE IT COMPLETELY UNDISTURBED AND THEN TO ADD MORE VEGETATION AT THE MEDIUM HEIGHT TO CREATE THAT OPAQUE BUFFER THAT YOU MENTIONED. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE 40 VEGETATIVE BUFFERS ON EITHER SIDE BE LEFT UNTREATED AND THEN TO ADD MORE AT THE END. BUT I THINK IF WE GET IF THIS IS CLEARED AND THEN CONSTRUCTION GOES ON IN A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE BACKING TO THAT. OKAY.

SO KEVIN , ARE YOU ASKING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER ADDING THE 40 FOOT BUFFER ON EACH SIDE THAT IS NOT PART THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION FOR THEM TO CONSIDER THE THE 40 FOOT BUFFER IS ALREADY THERE. ALREADY THERE, YES. SO IS IT IF PASSES HAVE BEEN

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ESTABLISHED IS ARE SCREEN THEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN.

YES. 1/2 PLEASE. HERE YOU GO.

OKAY. THE NUMBER SIX CAN TALK ABOUT PROVIDING A FENCED BUFFER THAT WOULD ONLY GO FROM NEW RIVERSIDE TO BITTERN CIRCLE. IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL LANE? THAT IS CORRECT I THINK ONE COMMENT I HAVE THAT I WOULD THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER IS I FEEL THAT THE ON I THINK THAT'S GROVE WOULD DRIVE IN THAT PHASE TO FROM BIT AND CIRCLE WEST SO THAT WHERE THE ROAD WOULD NOT CURRENTLY BE COMPLETED THANK YOU JUST YES ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE EQUALLY AFFECTED AND I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THE FENCE ALONG THOSE AS WELL AS THE HOMES FROM BENT CIRCLE TO RIVERSIDE RIGHT OKAY ALL RIGHT SO THE NEXT ONE WAS NUMBER FIVE WHICH WAS TO PROVIDE FOOT WIDE ASPHALT PATH ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL LANE.

I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT SINCE THERE WAS ACCEPTABLE THAT AND THEN NUMBER SIX WAS PROVIDING THE FENCE BUFFER ALONG NORTH SIDE AND AS COUNCILWOMAN BURTON JUST STATED FOR THE ENTIRE GROUP WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THAT ALONG RUNNING ALONG HOLLY HILL LANE SOUTH OF BENTON CIRCLE OR SOUTHWEST BENTON CIRCLE ALONG THE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO PHASE ON PHASE TWO ON GROVE WOULD DRIVE AT THIS POINT OKAY SO THOSE ARE THE AND I'M KIND OF WRITING A LITTLE BIT OF THIS DOWN AS WE'RE GOING TO THESE ARE JUST THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. WE DO HAVE THE REVIEW CRITERIA I NOT GO THROUGH AS THEY WERE THEY WERE ALL MET IF YOU HAD CERTAIN QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS I DO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN PULL THEM UP TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL. YOUR ACTIONS EVENING ARE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR TO DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT YOU CAN SEE HERE WE MET BACK IN MARCH OF 2022 WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS THIS GOT IN FRONT OF PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND IN FEBRUARY OF 23 AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING FOR THE FINAL CONSIDERATION I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS ME THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR THEM.

IF NOT I DO HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF YOU WERE TO IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX WOULD SAY CONSIDER PROVIDING A FENCE BUFFER ALONG HOLLY HILL LANE ADJACENT TO THE HOMES BACK UP TO HOLLY HILL LANE FROM RIVERSIDE ROAD TO TO THE END OF A HOMES IN PHASE TWO TO THE WHOLE QUESTION YES SIR DOES THE FENCE BUFFALO BILL THE DESIRE FOR VEGETATION SO IF I COULD MY RECOMMENDATION AND THIS IS WORKING WITH STAFF THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER REPRESENTATION WHAT WE COULD DO IS THE OPTIONS IS TO PUT IT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE HOMES SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE THE IMMEDIATE FENCE AS THE BUFFER AND THEN THE VEGETATIVE WOULD BE BEHIND THAT WHILE IT IS SMALLER IT WOULD THEN GROW AND THEN GROW HIGHER THAN THE FENCE SO YOU'D HAVE A LOWER LEVEL BUFFERING THAT MID-LEVEL BUFFERING AND THEN A HIGHER TREE BUFFER.

SO IT'S A IT'S A MULTILEVEL BUFFER. SO WE TALKED ABOUT TWO BUFFERS.

WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TO THE NORTH AND THEN THERE'S STILL VEGETATIVE BUFFER THAT RUNS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL LANE. THIS WOULD BE THE WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE SOUTH. SO NO FENCE ON THE SOUTH. JUST ANOTHER SIR.

OKAY. YES. AND THAT BEING YOU KNOW, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I MAY BECAUSE I WENT OUT THERE WITH STEPHEN AND AND KEVIN AND WE

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WALKED IN THROUGH THE WOODS IN THOSE HOUSES THAT EMILY IS REFERRING TO ON THE WEST SIDE OF OF TWO PHASE TWO WHEN THAT ROAD DOES GET COMPLETED THE WAY THROUGH THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARD AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT NOW TO DO IT ALL THE WAY FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD TO THE CIRCLE THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WHEN WE OR WHOEVER GOES IN THERE THE COUNTY OR US OR WHOEVER ENDS UP MAKING THIS THOSE HOUSES NEED TO BE PROTECTED OR YOU KNOW, SOME SOME TYPE OF CONSIDERATION SO TO SPEAK FRANKLY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT ROAD'S GOING THROUGH THERE. IT WAS BEEN THERE ON THE MOUNTAIN FOR 20 YEARS AND IT'S EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE COMPLETED.

SO I THINK THE FENCE BE A SMART MOVE AND AND MAKE THOSE PEOPLE NOT FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S COMING THROUGH THE BACK YARD AS THE APPLICANT TALKED TO YOU ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND I MEAN WOULD THEY CONSIDER EXTENDING THE ROAD NOW AS THIS FIRST PHASE OF THE ROAD HAS BEEN BUILT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON RESIDENTS THE FUTURE? NO, MA'AM, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED. THAT WOULD BE THE THING THAT I MIGHT REACT IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER TAKING IT TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY TO A SO THE RIGHT OF WAY BEYOND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS OWNED BY NEW RIVERSIDE LLC LLC OR WHATEVER SIR TITLE IS ALI HILL LANE IS OWNED BY NOW. YES MA'AM AND THAT WILL REMAIN OR THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC ROAD AND NOT A PRIVATE THERE THE RIDE AWAY IS RIGHT. I CANNOT I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE SENSE OF IS IT A PRIVATE PUBLIC YOU KNOW FINAL THE FINAL OWNERSHIP OF THAT AT THIS TIME I DON'T KNOW. SO THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO ANSWER THAT. SO IF WE COULD GET AN ANSWER I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC ROAD.

I MEAN IT'S IT'S PUBLIC IN THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON IT BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PUBLICLY OWNED. YEAH, OKAY. HI, HOW ARE YOU? HI. I'M LEARNING I I'M WITH THE APPLICANT AND I ALSO WORK WITH RIVERSIDE LLC SO THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE EASEMENTS TO THAT ROAD HERITAGE AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY TOWN OF BLUFFTON FOR JASPER AND THEN BOTH SIDES OF ALTON PARK HAVE ACCESS TO THIS ROAD SO IT'S NOT PUBLIC IN THE SENSE THAT HIGHWAY 46 IS PUBLIC BUT ANYONE TRAVERSING TO THOSE DIFFERENT PARCELS WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET TO THOSE PARCELS.

SO AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PAVING BEYOND THAT ENTRANCE REALLY THE COUNTY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PAY BEYOND THAT BUT AND CIRCLE AND CAN CERTAINLY ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE IF EXCUSE ME FOR CLARITY THE COUNTY ARE YOU SAYING BENTON'S YES ALL THE WAY TO THE WALK GRAVEL AND IN THIS PRESENTATION IS THERE A GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN TIE INTO THAT ROAD EDMONTON OR EITHER OF ALTON PARK MADE HIGH END TO HOLLY HILL ROAD SO THERE'S ACROSS HOLLY HILL ROAD FOR BOTH SIDES OF ALSTON PARK PHASE TWO WHICH IS ON THE NORTH AND THEN THREE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH ALL THE NORTH FACES AND THEN THE PARCELS THAT ACCESS DOWN AT THE END OF IT I DON'T HAVE TO GO BUT YEAH THANK OR THE EARL DO I GET TO DRIVE. YEAH GO FOR OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT HERE WE GO TO THE COUNTY PARCEL DOWN HERE AND THEY HAVE PERPETUAL ACCESS OFF OF HOLLY HILL ROAD IT TIES IN HERE TO NEAR RIVERSIDE. THERE IS A SPUR THAT GOES UP HERE.

IT'S CALLED FOUNDERS WAY THAT BACKS UP TO HERITAGE AND RIVERSIDE AND THERE IS I BELIEVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IF NOT OTHER THERE PEDESTRIAN OR NO PEDESTRIAN AND THEN THE TOWN HAS A LINEAR TRAIL HERE THAT THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO ACCESS THROUGH HOLLY HILL ROAD SO IN THE SENSE THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOTH HAVE PROPERTY AT THE END OF THIS ROAD IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BUT. IT WILL BE A PRIVATELY HELD ROAD AND THE RESIDENTS OF RIVERSIDE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE THAT MOST LIKELY OF COMMON AREA RIGHT.

AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE HERITAGE AND NEW RIVERSIDE HAVE A RIGHT TO CONNECT TO CONNECT

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AND THAT SHOWS IT ON THE ORIGINAL AIR IN YOUR FUTURE THERE'S NO CONNECTION PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AT THIS TIME THERE BE A WALKING TRAIL THAT CONNECTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE PLANS ARE FOR THE HERITAGE AND RIVERSIDE DEVELOPER WHAT PLANS TO CONNECT ARE BUT THERE THERE IS A SPUR THAT GOES OFF IN THAT DIRECTION AND THEN RIGHT AND HERITAGE AT NEW RIVERSIDE OR PAYING NEW RIVERSIDE LLC FOR USE OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD AND HAVE SINCE THE BEGINNING SO WHY WOULD THEY BE PAYING FOR A ROAD THAT THEY CAN'T GET TO IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE? YOU KNOW, I MEAN I UNDERSTAND NOT ALL DONE AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND UTILIZE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR YOU KNOW AND IT'S IT'S CERTAINLY IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'VE BEEN PAYING AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED MORE ROADS. SO THAT'S THE PLAN.

AND I HAVE SAID WITH THE RECENTLY THAT THEIR APPETITE FOR MAKING THAT CONNECTION THEIR PARCEL SO IF WE CAN GET EVERYONE WORKING IN CONCERT CAN SEE THAT THAT BUT IT IS A SEQUENCING THING SO RIGHT THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROAD. YEAH GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS FOR CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS JUST A FEW THINGS I WANT TO CONFIRM ARE ANY OF THE WETLANDS BEING DISTURBED? I THINK YOU SHOW ONE OF THE SLIDES SHOWS YES. SO ALL THE WETLANDS TO THE SOUTH NOTHING'S BEEN DISTURBED . TREES WILL BE REMOVED? NO, MA'AM.

THE ONLY THE ONLY POSSIBLE ITEM WHEN THE ACTUAL STORMWATER WHERE THE STORMWATER IS LOCATED FOR A FINAL DISCHARGE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOME PIPING THAT WOULD EXTEND THE WETLAND FOR FOR THAT DISCHARGE BUT THAT'S IT. AND AGAIN JUST ANOTHER CONFIRMATION THE DEVELOPER I RIGHT HAS THE 76 UNITS SO WE ARE NOT ADDING DENSITY TO WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED. YES, MA'AM. IS THERE ANY ON STREET OR OVERFLOW PARKING I DIDN'T SEE NO MA'AM. THERE IS NONE AND I THINK I READ IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE'S A GARAGE THAT ALLOWS TWO AND THEN TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. SO AS BY CODE IS TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TYPICALLY TYPICALLY A TWO CAR GARAGE AND SINCE OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT WHILE BUILDING SETBACK BUILDING SETBACKS MAYBE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1015 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IT IS ESTABLISHED THAT THE THE GARAGE WOULD BE SETBACK TO EITHER 22 OR 25 FEET IN ORDER FOR A VEHICLE TO BE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY OR OVER A SIDEWALK. SO IN IN PAST MASTER PLANS WE HAVE THAT WOULD IN ESSENCE PROVIDE FOR PARKING SPACES HOWEVER ADDITIONAL OFF STREET EXCUSE ME ON STREET PARKING SPACES HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO AND OTHER SITES WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT'S IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT TOWN COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN YOU COULD MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD WORK ON UPDATING THE PLANS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE WHERE WHERE APPLICABLE TO PROVIDE SOME PERVIOUS PARKING SPACES THAT WORK. YES, YES, YES. WE'VE WORKED SOME OTHER WE'RE ABLE TO TO DO THAT AND IT SEEMS THAT IT IT WORKS OUT IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE LITTLE PARKING PODS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU CAN LET THAT BE AT THE DISCRETION OF STAFF JUST LOOKING AT THIS PLAN THERE ARE MULTIPLE AREAS THAT ARE ON PROGRAMED WITH WITH HOMES THAT COULD FACILITATE PARKING ALONG ROADWAYS WHERE THERE'S GREEN AREAS. YOU KNOW SOME OF THE AREAS HERE AROUND THIS INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S NO NO HOMES WE COULD LOOK TO SEE WHERE WE COULD ADD SOME PARKING SPACES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE WISE. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT WHEN AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU DID BUT WHEN WILL THE SIDEWALK BE COMPLETED? NEW RIVERSIDE TO BENTON CIRCLE THAT'S PART OF THAT PHASE ONE AND THEN FOR THE FINAL HOUR PRIOR TO THAT FINAL CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TO HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTED ONE THING THAT I JUST WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT CONSIDER WHENEVER THE ROAD IS

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EXTENDED PAST BENTON CIRCLE FOR THERE TO BE SOME SORT OF CROSSWALK AND POSSIBLE STOP SIGN RIGHT THERE HAVE BEEN CIRCLING HILL LANE I THINK WITH THE POTENTIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL I THINK IT'S SMART TO TRY TO THINK BE PROACTIVE AND THINK AHEAD ON THESE THINGS.

THE LAST QUESTION IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY. WHEN WAS THAT LAST UPDATED? THE TECHNICAL THE TECHNICAL MEMO WAS PROVIDED 2023 AND I DO KNOW THAT THE THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT TIRE, THEY CAN ANSWER THAT.

UM, ONE THING THAT I DID NOT SEE WAS THAT FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ON TO HOLLY HILL I KNOW THAT THAT IS A TWO LANE ROAD WILL NOT BE A RIGHT LANE TURN ON TO HOLLY HILL ROAD THAT IS CORRECT AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THEM COME UP AND ABLE TO PROVIDE AN ANSWER FOR THAT AS WELL IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, TAKE SEVEN THEY DON'T WHAT CAN WE LEARN ARE ALL THESE ADDRESSES 1080 MORRISON DRIVE AND CHARLESTON SO? YES, WE DID THIS STUDY BACK IN 2013 AND 13 SORRY 2023 YOU A LITTLE AND A LITTLE WAY BACK. YEAH THANK YOU.

2023 UM ALMOST TWO YEARS TO THE DAY FEBRUARY AS THE DATE ON THAT AND SO WHAT WE DID IS A RIGHT TURN LANE AND SO YOU HAVE TWO THINGS IN THE TRAFFIC ROAD YOU HAVE COPIOUS CITY AND SAFETY SO CAPACITY IS YOUR LEVEL SERVICE AND DELAYS AND IF YOU'LL HAVE THE MEMO I THINK IT'S IN THE PACKET YOU'LL SEE THE DELAYS OR A'S AND B'S WHICH ARE REALLY THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD LEVELS OF SERVICE. THE NEXT THING THEN IS OKAY WELL LET'S CHECK SAFETY OF IT.

SO WE RAN A RIGHT TURN LANE WARRANT AND. IT WAS UNDERNEATH THE THRESHOLD BY A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MARGIN . UM, SO THERE'S A CHART IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT I'LL SHOW HERE AND IF Y'ALL CAN'T SEE OR WANT TO PASS IT AROUND TO FOR THAT TRIANGLE HERE IS THE NUMBER OF TURNS THAT PROJECTING YOU WANT TO BE ABOVE THIS LINE HERE TO WARRANT THE STUDY SO WE'RE PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM WARRANTING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE SO IT WASN'T RECOMMENDED SO IS THAT JUST TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT PHASE THREE IT'S PHASE THREE PLUS AND READ IT THREE DISTRIBUTION FROM PHASES TWO AND ONE.

SO WE WANTED TO BE CONSERVATIVE AND I JUST ASSUME THAT WAS ONLY THOSE THAT WOULD ACCESS THE.

UM, SO WE DID TAKE IN SOME REDISTRIBUTION FROM BENTON CIRCLE AS WELL.

DID YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FUTURE OF THAT ROAD TYING INTO HERITAGE AT NEW RIVERSIDE AS WELL AS THE COUNTY PROPERTY RIGHT SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE INFORMATION FOR AND SO THERE'S THERE ISN'T CONSIDERATION FOR THAT BUT I WOULD SAY WHEN THE PARK WAS TO COME BACK OR WHEN YOU KNOW IF IF THAT CONNECTION IS MADE THAT IT COULD BE IF THERE'S A WAY YOU COULD RE LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF IN THIS WORLD IT'S A LITTLE BIT PIE IN THE SKY OF THE IF IF IF IF TYPE OF CONNECTIONS SHOW UP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT ENTIRE ROADWAY, WE WOULD FIRST START IN ESSENCE WITH A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT WITH A YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC AND SO ON.

THEY THEN DETERMINE IF IT IS APPROPRIATE OR WARRANTED AT THAT TIME AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN IT WOULD BE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AT THAT POINT.

YES. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU SO COMMENTS KEVIN PUT SOMEBODY UP AT ALL IF THEY HAD IT IN A MOTION OR I WAS IF I MAY I WAS I WAS KIND OF WRITING THAT DOWN. SO WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE, UM, ONE THROUGH FIVE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS ANY CONCERNS WITH THOSE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY FOR NUMBER SIX IS THAT PROVIDING IT WAS THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A FENCE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL LANE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT BACK UP TO HOLLY HILL LANE PERIOD. THE ENTIRE HOLLY YES PERIOD. SO NO IT WOULD IN ESSENCE REMOVE THE NEW RIVERSIDE DRIVE TO BENTON CIRCLE AND MR. WHITMER'S HERE LET ME FINISH SCRIPTURE I'M SURE AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN WOULD BE THE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING WHERE APPLICABLE NUMBER EIGHT IS THE APPLICANT WOULD

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INSTALL STRIPE CROSSWALKS AT BURT BENTON CIRCLE HOLLY HILL LANE I WOULD LIKE THAT YES SO THAT'S AN EASY ONE. ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY SKIPPED OVER THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PART OF THIS BEFORE WE AND MR. WHITMER IS PART OF WHITMER JAMES KEEFER PART THE APPLICANT YEAH THERE WAS NUMBER SIX I THINK ONE THROUGH FIVE WE'RE TRYING WITH NUMBER SIX. SO WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT CAN WE CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE SHOWS THE STREET OH THERE YOU HAVE WE HAVE RIGHT HERE WE TYPICAL ROADS ABOUT 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY THIS IS A 100 SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE 20 FEET OF WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT AWAY ON EACH SIDE WHICH IS 20 FEET THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL 20 FEET THAT IS ON TO THE PROPERTY SO THAT 40 FOOT AND I THINK THAT WAS EMILY I THINK YOU THAT YOU WANTED MOST OF THAT TO BE UNDISTURBED AND I THINK BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN ADD VEGETATION TO IT WHAT I'D LOVE TO DO CONCERNED WITH 2500 LINEAR FEET IS IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED, GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAINTED, IT'S GOING TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE HIGHWAY WILL BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

WHAT I'D LOVE TO DO IS SEE IF WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF, GET ENOUGH VEGETATION IN THERE TO, MAKE THEM HAPPY IF WE CAN DO THAT NOT DO THE FENCE IF WE CAN'T STOP ISN'T HAPPY WITH IT.

THE FENCE COMES IN BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT IS A GOOD IDEA INITIALLY THE VEGETATION IS A BETTER TERM SOLUTION AND DOESN'T PUT ADDED MAINTENANCE ONTO THE POLE AND THAT'S HOMEOWNERS TO MAINTAIN. RIGHT. BUT YOU RUB IT IN.

I'M NOT YOUR IDEA OR ANYTHING BUT I WILL SAY I WALKED IN THERE MYSELF AND SOUTHWEST IN AS BEAR THERE IS NO VEGETATION AND WITH THAT WHERE YOU ARE PUMP STATION YOU KNOW ON THAT FAR IN DOWN THERE YOU CAN SEE RIGHT IN THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW THERE ARE NO TREES RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD AND THAT'S WHAT GETS TO MAKE TOWN STAFF SUFFICIENTLY HAPPY. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO OPTION TWO WHICH WOULD BE A FENCE WE DO HAVE FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO THAT HOME WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING UP IT'S ABOUT 70 FEET. SO IT IS A NICE SEPARATION OF DISTANCE THAT YOU HAVE FROM BACK AT EDGE. I CAN KIND OF SEE YOU HAVING ISSUES LATER WITH THOSE RESIDENTS THOUGH BECAUSE ONCE THAT ROAD DOES START GETTING USED YOU KNOW, JUST WEIGHING IN I WEIGH IN AND I AGREE WITH THE WHAT THE OPTION OF ALLOWING IT TO BE PURE VEGETATION AND EVEN IF YOU GUYS ARE AMENABLE TO ADDING IT I THINK WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS OF US NOT TO BE AWAY WOULD WANT TO ASSUME WHATEVER FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES AND MAINTAINING THAT FENCE, HAVING SOMEONE WEIGH IN AND SAY THEY WOULD ASSUME THAT AND I WOULD BE THAT IF THEY SAY WELL WE DID WANT TO HAVE A BUFFER IT WAS VEGETATION BUT WE DIDN'T SIGN ON TO ASSUME A MAINTENANCE OF A OF A FENCE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT AND THEN THE TOWN IS IS KIND OF WEIGHTED WITH THE LIABILITY OF THAT MAINTENANCE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE COMFORTABLE AGREEING TO THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL THE LARGEST VEGETATION BUFFER IS AND EVEN WITH STAFF'S THOUGHTS ON THE FEASIBILITY DOING THAT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO ENSURE THAT IT DOES GIVE ULTIMATELY THE PROTECTION OF NOT HAVING JUST IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING EMPTY THAT THEY DO HAVE THAT ALONG THAT ENTIRE ROADWAY. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN FRAZIER WHAT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THAT YOU RELY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

SO FROM A FROM A CONDITION OF APPROVAL KIND OF WHAT I WAS RIDING THE APPLICANT STALL A VEGETATIVE BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL LANE AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND COMMISSION. FIRST OFF, AS YOU SAID, IF THERE'S AREAS THAT'S BARREN OUT THERE LIKE A FORK FOR BUFFER WHICH THE ZC HAS REGULATIONS TO DESCRIBE WHAT A BUFFER CONSISTS OF SO WE WOULD FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES TYPICALLY IN A 100 LINEAR FEET YOU'LL HAVE YOU KNOW, 20 SHRUBS, SIX OVERSTORY TREES, THREE UNDERSTORY TREES, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS PLANNING COMMISSION IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE INSTALLED BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE JUST YES.

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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE POINT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING THE NATURAL VEGETATED BUFFER, THE APPLICANT'S DISTURBANCE OF THAT AREA IS ONLY GOING TO CIRCLE AT THIS TIME SO IT MIGHT BE ADVISABLE NOT TO GO TO THE WEST URBAN CIRCLE UNTIL CONSTRUCTION ON THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD UNTIL THE COUNTY BEGINS IMPROVEMENT THERE.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS THAT WE OTHERWISE DON'T NEED TO BE GOING INTO AND WE'RE DISTRIBUTING VEGETATION THAT WE OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE SERVING.

SO IF NOT PUTTING A FENCE THERE AND WE'RE NOT GOING IN AND DOING ANY SORT OF CLEARING REALLY LEADING ITS NATURAL CONDITION AT THIS TIME IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST IDEA UNTIL WE TAKE THAT NEXT PHASE WE CAN MOVE TOWARDS THEIR PORTION OF IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SEVERAL RIGHT OF LOOKING AT WORDS. RIGHT.

BECAUSE BACK LOT ON THIS PHASE TO THE BACK OF A LOT OF MY NEXT PHASE IS OVER 100 FEET BECAUSE THE REDWOODS 110 BACK UP ON THAT SIDE AND SO I JUST HAVE TO CONSIDER GIVEN WAS RIGHT NOW A CONDITION HERE FOR YOU BUT FOR HOW LONG THEN I'M A SLOW RIDER I APOLOGIZE OKAY IF I MAY.

SO FOR THAT ITEM SIX REFERRING TO THE FENCE BUFFER AND JUST AS AS DISCUSSED SO THE THE THE BUFFER AREA FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD TO BENTON CIRCLE WOULD BE DURING DURING THE PHASE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN AT THE TIME DEVELOPMENT OF HOLLY HILL LANE SOUTH OF BENTON CIRCLE THE BUFFER WOULD MEANS WOULD BE INSTALLED ALONG THAT SOUTH PORTION BEHIND THE HOMES IF UM IF PHASE THREE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETED PRIOR TO THAT FINAL THAT THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD WOULD PROVIDE A BOND FOR THE COST OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD THEN IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND HAVE THEN LEFT THEY'RE DONE THEY'VE COMPLETED BUT PRIOR TO THAT FINAL S.O.S. IF THAT ROAD WORK HAS NOT STARTED THEN IT STILL PROVIDES THAT OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO PROVIDE THAT THAT BUFFER THERE YOU GO ON YOUR HEAD THAT THAT'S IT SOUNDS LIKE A A REASONABLE SOUNDS LIKE A LAWYER RIGHT THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REASONABLE DANGER.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE SUGGESTED MOTION. SO REMIND ME IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE LISTED HERE WHAT OTHER YEAH SO WE'RE REFERRING TO ONE THROUGH FIVE THEN CONSIDER PROVIDING THE FENCE BUFFER ALONG NORTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL AND ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES BACK UP TO HOLLY HILL LANE FROM RIVERSIDE ROAD TO BENTON CIRCLE.

UM AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT OF HOLLY HILL LANE SOUTH OF BENTON CIRCLE THE BUFFER WOULD INSTALLED ALONG THE SOUTH PORTION OF THE HOMES OF PHASE TWO AND IF THE ROAD IS IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED PRIOR TO THAT FINAL CFC THEN THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE THAT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF SOME TYPE OF BOND THAT WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO BE USED AT TIME OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD. THEN NUMBER SEVEN NOT LISTED HERE WOULD BE APPLICANT WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING WHERE APPLICABLE NUMBER EIGHT THE APPLICANT WOULD INSTALL STRIPED CROSSWALKS AT BENTON CIRCLE IN HOLLY HILL LANE HOPKINS IS HERE SEVEN AND EIGHT.

ARE THEY WILLING TO SIGN FOR THEM TONIGHT? I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK ON THAT PROCESS AS WE WERE ESSENTIALLY TO EACH OTHER. SO 78 WOULD YOU MIND REMINDING

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US WHAT SEVEN EIGHT ARE WHAT THE STAFF ON PERVIOUS PARKING OKAY AND STRIPE THE CROSSWALKS AND BENTON'S ARE DON'T YOU. OF COURSE BECAUSE OF PHASE TWO AND THE PHASE THREE.

OKAY. YES WE AS ARE ACCEPTABLE WOULD YOU MIND REFRESHING US ON THE BOND FOR THE ELEMENTS AND OFFERING A ENS MIGHT NEED SOME ASSISTANCE HERE UH TERRY OKAY AGREED ON BECAUSE PHASE THREE WILL JUST GO TO BENTON CIRCLE I JUST WAS VERY SO FROM FROM NEWMAN SIDE ROAD TO BENTON CIRCLE IS AS WHAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND THEN THE PORTION FROM BENTON CIRCLE SOUTH WILL REFER TO THE SOUTH OR WEST WEST WEST.

YEAH. ADJACENT TO THE HOMES IN PHASE TWO THAT IF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROADWAY HAS NOT COMMENCED BY THE TIME OF YOUR FINAL C C OF C THAT YOU WOULD PAY AN ESCROW TO THE TOWN BOND THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD GO IN THAT PORTION OF THE I WONDER I JUST I WONDER IF THAT SHOULD BE THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION TO DO THIS DEVELOPER DOES IT HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO IMPROVE MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO HILL ROAD BEYOND BENDS OR IT'S NOT FOR THE ROAD IT'S JUST THE LANDSCAPING JUST LANDSCAPING ON THIS PORTION ON THE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOMES ON PHASE WE'RE NOT IMPACT IN THAT AREA THOUGH WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT PROPERTY. WE PROPERTY LIMIT IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOLLY ROAD.

SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOLLY HILL ROAD THAT THAT SEEMS LOGICAL BUT THE NORTH SIDE WHERE WE'RE NOT IMPACTING IT IN ANY CAPACITY IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY YET. SO WHOSE PROPERTY IS IT? THE HOLLY HILL ROAD IS OWNED BY RIVERSIDE. RIVERSIDE. RIGHT.

AND SO THIS APPLICANT HAS AUTHORITY TO IMPROVE IT AND PUT A PUT A ROAD AND IMPROVED ROAD ON IT TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY NEED IT AND CHIP GET THE CIRCLE RIGHT BUT TO TO GO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND AND GET APPROVAL TO IMPACT THAT PROPERTY THAT'S NOT OWNED BY THIS DEVELOPER BUT SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK OUT? KEVIN HELP ME WITH THIS I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S SAYING BUT I STILL UNDERSTAND WHEN THE ROAD IS A RIGHT OF AWAY ALREADY WITH THE INTENTION INTENDED FUTURE USE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY PROPERTY AND DOWN TO THE WATER AS WELL AS DO RIVERSIDE HERITAGE RIGHT NOW THAT WHEN THAT ROAD IS BUILT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BUFFER BEHIND YOUR PROJECT YOUR HOME PHASE TO TOO BECAUSE WHATEVER IS EXISTING WHATEVER'S THERE NOW RIGHT IS FINE RIGHT NOW BUT THE BUFFER THE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS SERVING AS A BUFFER AND WHEN IT'S IMPROVED BY THE PART OF YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT NEXT SECTION OF IMPROVEMENT COULD COULD WE THAT PARTY BE REQUIRED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF TO PUT BUFFERING I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BLAME US FOR THEM NOT HAVING BUFFER SEVEN MARKETS AND YOU PUT CURSOR ON THE GO TO BEAN RIGHT THERE AND START SLOWLY FOLLOWING THAT GREEN AREA THE LEFT WHICH IS WEST I GUESS.

YEAH WELL ALL RIGHT SO YOU'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FUTURE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

WHO OWNS THAT STRIP THERE? THAT IS OWNED BY THAT WOULD BE THE NEW RIVERSIDE LLC.

WELL WITHIN REASON BUT THOSE HOUSES COME THE WAY THERE TO SEE THE GREEN I DO BUT I'M THE QUESTION BECAUSE I NEED CLARITY. I'M CONFUSED WITH ALL OF THIS YOU UP SO BACK TO THAT SO NEW RIVERSIDE LLC OWNS THAT AREA BACK THERE, RIGHT YEAH.

YES. NOW COME STRAIGHT DOWN ACROSS THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.

WHO OWNS AUSTIN PARKWAY? OKAY. SO TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU TO DO AND IT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE IS TO ENCUMBER TO DO SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OVER THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PERMISSION DO. YEAH I SEE THAT ARGUMENT IS NOT STRONG ON OUR PART.

SO WHAT'S THE SETBACK FROM THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT? KEVIN FROM THE BACK OF LOTS AT AUSTIN PARK PHASE TWO THERE'S A 40 FOOT UNDISTURBED BUFFER THAT IS OWNED BY AUSTIN PARK AND

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THERE'S A 20 FOOT BUFFER OWNED BY AUS A 40 FOOT BUFFER OWNED BY NEW RIVERSIDE. THE 40 FOOT BUFFER IS INSIDE THE 100 FOOT RIGHT AWAY IT WAS SAFE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WHEN THE RIGHT AWAY IS USED THE BUFFER IS DISAPPEARING. IF I MAY MAKE A CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP IS THAT THE AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PORTION OF ROADWAY IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE APPLICANT WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUFFER IS IS INSTALLED TO AN OPAQUE STANDARD. SO THAT WAY THIS AREA WHILE THE TREES IS NOT BEING IMPACTED ALONG THIS THIS PORTION OF THE SPACE THIS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING COULD BE INSTALLED ALONG THE BACK OF THESE HOMES WHICH WILL PROVIDE THAT BUFFER THAT WILL IN ESSENCE BLOCK THEM OUT. SO ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF HOLLY HILL LANE WHILE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT. IT WOULD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IT AND WOULD PROVIDE A I THINK BUFFERING. AND THEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD IF THERE IF THERE WAS PROJECT TO TO CREATE THAT ROADWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING COULD BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH SIDE DURING CONSTRUCTION THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME AND I WAS CURIOUS THE COUNCIL THINKS BECAUSE AGAIN WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THEM DO SOMETHING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

SO I'M NOT ASKING COUNSEL. I MEAN LOOK I AGAIN WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS LET THEM DO ON THE SOUTH SIDE. BUT WHEN THE ROAD STARTS TO BE AT THAT TIME, WHOEVER BUILDS THE ROAD WE'LL SURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING IS TAKEN BACK IN ON THE NORTH SIDE BUT THE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING HOMES THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW AUSTIN OWNS A 40 YOU HAVE A 40 FOOT BUFFER THERE RIGHT FROM THE PROPERTY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES GOING BACK OF LOT BUFFER THAT AUSTIN PARK OWNS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL 20 FOOT THAT'S PART OF FUTURE RIGHT AWAY.

SO COMBINED 40 FEET RIGHT NOW BUT IT'S NOT IT'S STILL NOT ABOVE AND BELOW THE ROAD.

THAT'S MY CONCERN IS ONCE YOU THE ROAD IN THAT 20 FOOT BUFFER THAT'S IN THE ROADWAY IS GONE BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THE ROAD. NO, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THE ROAD. SEE THAT'S SO TYPICALLY IRRESPONSIBILITY.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE THAT THERE'S A 20 FOOT BUFFER AREA IN THAT 100 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY WOULD GO INTO IS IF YOU HAD TO HAVE A UTILITY CROSSING BUT MOST OF THE UTILITIES WILL BE ABLE TO FALL USUALLY A 5060 FOOT RIGHT AWAY CAN HANDLE UTILITIES. SO HAVE 60 FEET AND THEN WE HAVE 20 FEET ON EACH SIDE THAT WOULD THAT BUFFER AREA. SO THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE AND ONLY GO INTO THAT IF YOU A GRADING FOR STORMWATER OR IF YOU HAVE A UTILITY CROSSING.

SO WOULD BE MINIMAL. SO YOU DO HAVE 20 FEET IN THE RIGHT AWAY AND THEN YOU HAVE 20 FEET THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY IN AUSTIN PARK AS WELL. SO COMBINED 40 ON EACH SIDE THEY'RE JUST CONCEPTUALLY THE ROAD IS 20 FEET WIDE, THERE'S 40 FEET OF VEGETATION ON EITHER SIDE OF . THE ROAD THERE IS THAT YOU PROBABLY WHAT YOU PROBABLY LOSE GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK TO ABOUT 20 FEET ON EACH SIDE YOU WOULD LOSE WOULD FOR UTILITY SIDEWALK ALL THAT BUT THAT WOULD KEEP 20 FEET IN THE RIGHT AWAY AND THEN 20 FEET ON US PROPERTY YOU FOLLOW AND SO THERE'S NOT A 40 FOOT VEGETATION BUFFER ON BOTH SIDES THERE IS JUST HALF OF IT'S IN THE RIGHT AWAY AND HALF IS ON THE I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THAT 40 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FROM NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD TO BENTON CIRCLE WILL LEFT UNDISTURBED.

I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST AND SOMEHOW THEY END UP GETTING CLEARED A LONG WAYS TO SLIDE THIS WILL BE A 40 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER IF YOU HAVE A CAR RIGHT AWAY SORRY THE DATA CONTAINED AND ULTIMATELY GIVEN I THINK WE HAVE GIVEN ENOUGH DIRECTION AND CONSENSUS WE DON'T WANT TO TO ENFORCE OR TRY TO CAUSE THE HERE TO DO FALLIN ON PROPERTY THEY DON'T OWN BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THEM MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF A FUTURE APPLICANT WHO WILL ASSUME THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES.

BUT I THINK THE CONDITIONS THAT EVERYONE UP HERE IS AGREEING TO IN TERMS OF THE PURVIEW WHERE THEY OWN AS WELL AS A BUFFER WHERE THEY OWN THEY ARE ASSUMING THOSE CONDITIONS IN

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ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION WE'RE GOOD WITH AND IT JUST SEEMED THAT WHEN THE OTHER APPLICANT AT TIME AND THAT MIGHT BE A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO ENGAGE COME FORWARD AND THEY NEED TO ZOOM ZOOM RESPONSIBILITIES SO IF I MAY WITH THAT STATEMENT RIGHT THERE THAT YOUR SUGGESTED MOTION CONDITIONAL APPROVAL ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THEN ITEM WOULD WE WOULD HAVE THE END OF THAT STATEMENT AND THEN WOULD TAKE AWAY THE PERIOD AND PUT A COMMA AND AN END AND APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VIRTUALLY A BUFFER ALONG SOUTH SIDE HOLLY HILL LANE FROM BENTON CIRCLE ALONG THE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY SO THAT BE COMPLETE IN CONDITION NUMBER SIX AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN APPLICANT WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ON STREET PARKING NUMBER EIGHT APPLICANT WILL INSTALL STRIPED CROSSWALKS HAVE BEEN CIRCLING HOLLY HILL IN SANFORD I'M SORRY I JUST REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT SO OUR IS THE FENCE HAPPENING ON THE NORTH SIDE FROM HOLLY HILL TO NEW RIVERSIDE DRIVE I MEAN FROM NEW RIVERSIDE DRIVE TO, BENTON CIRCLE THAT'S A CONSIDERATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION NOT A CONDITION THAT'S THERE. THAT'S THEIR PROPOSED CONDITION.

YOU CAN GO WITH THAT. WE CAN ADJUST IT. WE CAN TAKE OUT YOU CAN JUST PROVIDE CONSIDERATE OUR APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE A BUFFER IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OUT FENCE PORTION OF IT AND JUST MAKE IT MORE OF A VEGETATIVE BUFFER ALONG BOTH SIDES SINCE THEY ARE IMPACTING ROAD AT THAT POINT IS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SINCE DOWN THERE THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING IT UP HERE THEY ARE THAT IT CAN JUST BE A VEGETATIVE BUFFER YOU KNOW LOOKING AERIALS EVEN FROM THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN FOR THE PAST MONTH THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ON THAT PORTION OF ROADWAY, THEY ALREADY HAVE FENCES ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY SO A SECOND FENCE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE APPROPRIATE THAT BACKS UP TO IT BUT A VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN THAT AREA WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BEYOND IF YOU KNOW WHATEVER'S ALREADY THERE IS THERE A CONDITION SAYING TO LEAVE THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER UNDISTURBED, A CONDITION FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE HAVE IT IN THERE THEY'RE PROFILES FOR HOLLY HILL LANE AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE PLATS THAT IS OR VEGETATIVE YEAH SO IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THOSE AS THE VEGETATIVE BUFFERS WHEN THE ROAD WAS IT WAS PLATTED WITH THOSE VEGETATIVE BUFFERS ON THERE COUNCIL TERRI YES A QUESTION SO THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT ARDUOUS SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS ON THE MOTION ALL OF THE CONDITIONS DO THEY HAVE TO BE READ. YOU CAN ADOPT ONE THROUGH FIVE AS WRITTEN IN THIS BY JUST SAYING ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST WE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO KEVIN'S SIX, SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT. CORRECT.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE IT'S HE'S ON VIDEO ONCE ONCE HE DOES IF HE DOES SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT THEN YOU COULD JUST SAY AND THE SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT CONDITIONS AS JUST SET FORTH BY KEVIN OKAY. OKAY YOU CAN ADOPT HIS SIX, SEVEN OR EIGHT BUT YOU MADE TAKE WHILE YOU'RE STILL BY US BUT WE DO YOU ADD IN WHERE IT SAYS ON STREET PARKING TO PERVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE ALL THIS PRESSURE WITH EVERYBODY NO NO PRESSURE.

THIS LOOKS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING DIFFERENT EVERY NOW YOU CAN JUST SAY MAKE A MOTION CORRECT.

THE MOTION CAN BE I WOULD APPROVE AS WRITTEN ON OUR SCREEN ITSELF SORRY.

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43 DOES THAT SOUND SORT OF AN EXPRESSION TO YOU BEFORE THE JOB KEVIN THINKS UNDER YOU DO WELL I APPRECIATE THAT IN TIME PRETTY FAST I CAN'T DO IT LIKE I CAN'T YOU KNOW DO THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT KEY SO HERE'S YOUR BASED OF WHAT YOU HAVE I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THAT IS NOW SEVEN NO ANY MORE INSTRUCTIONS FROM COUNSEL NOT AS THEY WERE MOTION THE NORTH SIDE JUST TO CLEAR THE NORTH SIDE IS THERE'S 20 FEET THAT THE PGA ALREADY OWNS AND THEN THEY ADD THAT TO THE 20 OR 20 FEET TO MAKE A 40 FOOT ON THE NORTH SIDE. I DIDN'T SAY THAT VERY CLEARLY BUT I BUT I SEE YOU NODDING AS IS ANYBODY ELSE NODDING. OKAY.

SO THE 40 FEET IS 21 ENTITY AND 20 OF ANOTHER. YEAH.

OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION WHERE I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF I NEED HELP SOMEBODY JUMP IN I'M GOING TO GO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR AUSTIN PARK PHASE THREE CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 63 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVERSIDE ROAD SOUTH OF EXISTING AUSTIN PARK PHASE TWO AND ZONE NEW RIVERSIDE PLAN OH I'M SORRY I MISSED IT I MOVED TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THE INITIAL MASTER PLAN FOR AUSTIN PARK PHASE THREE CONSISTING OF PROJECT 63 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NEW RIVERSIDE ROAD SOUTH OF EXISTING AUSTIN PARK PHASE TWO AND ZONED NEW RIVERSIDE PLANNING YOU UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT SECOND BACKGROUND AND IN DISCUSSION ON PAPER SAY I OBVIOUSLY THAT I I'M IN NO I JUST FOR TWO ONE CORRECT MOTION PASSES GREAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANKS OKAY OKAY YOU MISSED IT BY 3 MINUTES YOU AND WE WERE YOU WERE THERE YOU WERE YOU WERE 3 MINUTES LATE.

SO WE PUT YOU ON THE BACK BURNER TONIGHT. SO MR. MICHELLE ON HERE SHE'S UNDER PUBLIC HEARING AND FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. YEAH, I'LL START PUBLIC HERE

[IX.1. Consideration of Town of Bluffton Needs Assessment for Housing, Public Facilities, and Economic Development Michelle Knight, Community and Economic Development Director, Lowcountry Council of Governments *Must be after 6:00PM]

HEARING FROM PUBLIC HEARING AND FINAL READING CONSIDERATIONS DOWN TO NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR HOUSING, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MR. MICHELLE KNIGHT COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR LOWCOUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AND I APOLOGIZE IT CAUGHT ME AND I DID NOT YOU HAD CHANGED YOUR MEETING INTO THE HAND OF SOMEBODY JUST ON THAT BUT THANK YOU FOR WAIT NO ME THANK YOU FOR SAYING SO WE CAN GET THIS DONE TONIGHT I'M HERE AS I AM ONCE A YEAR TO. TALK ABOUT THE CDB PROGRAM AND THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH IT AND AS YOU ALL MAY WELL KNOW NOW BLUFFTON HAS NO OPEN PROJECTS.

WE HAVE EVERYTHING PRETTY MUCH WRAPPED UP SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL INTERESTED

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IN PURSUING THIS YEAR YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT LET'S LET'S DO THE SLIDE HERE I HIT ENTER AND SO AS YOU ALL KNOW OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO REMIND EVERYONE THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON DOES NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE PROTECTED CLASSES IN RELATION TO FAIR AND THE SALE AND RENTAL OF HOUSING IN RESIDENTIAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS ARE IN THE PROVISION OF BROKERAGE SERVICES . IF SOMEONE CONTACTS Y'ALL AND SAYS HEY I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN HOUSING PRACTICES YOU HAVE THEM CALL US AT LOWCOUNTRY COUNSELOR GOVERNMENT WE'LL THAT INFORMATION AND WE CAN FORWARD IT ON TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED TO KNOW THAT THE CDBG PROGRAM DESIGNED PRIMARILY TO SUPPORT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND ADDRESSING REVITALIZATION NEEDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW TO MODERATE IN COUNTY. WHAT THAT MEANS OF MAY 2024 IS IF YOU'RE A FAMILY FOUR AND YOU MAKE LESS THAN $80,700 A YEAR, YOU ARE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AND YOU FOR COUNTY THAT NUMBER MOVES UP OR DOWN BASED ON THE NUMBER PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN SOUTH CAROLINA SINCE 1990 1982 AND AS THIS YEAR WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT WE WILL RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY $19.8 MILLION FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO ADMINISTER THROUGH THEIR DIVISION OF GRANTS AT SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE THE ACTION PLAN WHICH GOVERNS HOW THIS MONEY BE USED OVER THE NEXT YEAR IS COMMENT PERIOD ENDED AT THE END OF LAST MONTH. THE NUMBERS IT ARE STILL ESTIMATES BECAUSE THE STATE HAS NOT OFFICIALLY GOTTEN WHAT THEIR NEW NUMBER WILL BE FOR THIS YEAR. EVANS SAID THAT THERE ARE THREE BROAD PROGRAM CATEGORIES HIS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, REGIONAL PLANNING AND THIS IS WHERE THE MEAT OF EVERYTHING SO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL THAT $19.8 MILLION IS HELD. WE HAVE A SPRING ROUND THAT IS COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE THIS IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE CALL OUR WATER DRAINAGE ROAD ROUND. THERE'S A DEADLINE OF MARCH 21ST, A FULL APPLICATION OF APRIL 21ST. YOU CAN APPLY FOR TO $1,000,000 UNDER THIS SET AND A MINIMUM APPLICATION IS THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THIS IS TYPICALLY TWO EITHER MAKE UPGRADES TO EXISTING SYSTEMS OR TWO WITH WATER AND SEWER TO DO EXTENSIONS INTO TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS PRIMARILY THAT ARE DENSE THAT'S THE SECOND PRIORITY AND THEN A LESSER PRIORITY IS LESS DENSE AREAS THAT MAYBE NEED WATER SEWER SERVICE BUT THE SECOND AND THIRD WE'LL TALK ABOUT ON THE SLIDE IS COMMUNITY.

THERE'S $7.3 MILLION IN THAT SET ASIDE. THIS IS OUR FOUR FACILITIES ROUND THERE'S A MID-AUGUST REQUEST DEADLINE A MID-SEPTEMBER FULL APPLICATION DEADLINE IN THIS SET ASIDE WE CAN DO THINGS DEMOLITION OF WHAT WE CALL WHITE ELEPHANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE OWNED PUBLICLY WE CAN DO DOWNTOWN STREETS PROJECTS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ALREADY. WE CAN DO REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE STUDIES FOR PROJECTS. WE CAN LOOK AT LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION OR EXPANSION. WE CAN LOOK AT MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO PUBLICLY OWNED FACILITIES THAT SERVE A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME CLIENT. SO TYPICALLY THIS COULD BE YOUR SENIOR CENTERS. THIS COULD BE TO BE THINGS LIKE HEALTH CLINICS THAT SERVE A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME POPULATION WE IN THE PAST WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THE OF SERVICE CENTERS THAT TYPE OF THING TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED PUBLIC FACILITY THESE COULD BE LIKE A A BUS STOP THAT KIND OF THING OR A TRANSPORTATION HUB WE CAN DEMOLISH VACANT AND THE DATED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGH YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT

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EFFORTS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE OWNED PUBLICLY BUT WE CAN DO THOSE IF YOU FOLLOWED YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS THERE WE CAN DO BAR SUBSTATIONS OR FIRE CODES.

WE CAN DO AMBULANCES BUT THEY HAVE TO BE IN AREAS THAT SERVE PRIMARILY LOW TO MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE CAN ALSO DO PUBLIC FACILITY MODIFICATIONS AND SIDEWALKS THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN APPLY FOR UNDER THIS SET ASIDE IS 750,000. AGAIN, THE MINIMUM IS 50,000.

OUR THIRD SET ASIDE UNDER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS LOCAL PRIORITIES. THIS IS A SMALLER SET ASIDE. THERE'S $1,000,000 THERE OUR MAXIMUM FUNDING AMOUNT FOR OUR PROJECT UNDER THIS SET ASIDE IS $300,000.

THIS IS FOR US TO ADDRESS SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WILL ADDRESS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. WE'VE DONE TRAIL PROJECTS UNDER THIS SET ASIDE WE CAN DO SMALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE THE THIRD ITEM THAT THEY MENTIONED THEIR RESILIENCY IN A NARROWING OF THE DIGITAL DIVIDE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE ARE TYPICALLY BROADBAND PILOT PROJECT FOR POCKET AREAS THAT KIND OF THING WHERE THERE'S AN LMI THAT YOU'RE SERVING AN LMI POPULATION. WE'VE ALSO DONE THINGS UNDER THIS SET ASIDE LIKE PARK PROJECTS ADA PARKS KIND OF THING. OUR NEXT SET ASIDE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IS READY TO GO. THIS IS $500,000 IS SET ASIDE TO DO NONCOMPETITIVE GRANT REQUEST SO APPLICATION DEADLINES THEY ARE ONGOING SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST YOU PUT IT IN AND THEN YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND. THESE ARE BASICALLY FOUR PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOVEL READY.

YOU'VE DONE ALL OF YOUR HOMEWORK, YOU'VE ACQUIRED ALL YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'VE CLEARED ALL YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS THAT YOU HAVE THE MONEY YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DESIGN AND PERMITTING BUT FOR HAVING A CHECK IN YOUR HAND YOU COULD GO OUT TOMORROW AND DO THE WORK AND THESE ARE BASICALLY FOR THESE PROJECTS OR TO DO PROJECTS THAT CAN BE PURSUED UNDER COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE OR COMMUNITY ENRICHMENT BUT BASICALLY YOU CAN'T WAIT ON THAT NEXT DEADLINE. SO LET'S JUST SAY FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE THAT YOU HAD A SEWER ISSUE IN A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD SEWER MAINTENANCE ISSUES MAY BE PUMP STATION SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU'VE MISSED YOUR SPRING THIS COMES UP IN JULY.

YOU CAN'T WAIT UNTIL NEXT MARCH TO DEAL WITH IT NOW SO YOU CAN PUT IN A REQUEST AND PURSUE IT NON COMPETITIVELY IF YOU'VE DONE ALL THAT HOMEWORK AND GOTTEN IT SORTED THE HERE IS $500,000 ON THAT TYPE OF A PROJECT THEY WILL LOOK AT WAIVERS A YEAR AND YOUR MINIMUM IS $50,000 AGAIN AND IF I MENTIONED WHEN I STARTED ALL OF THESE PROJECTS TO MEET NATIONAL OBJECTIVES AND OUR NATIONAL OBJECTIVES BASICALLY ARE BENEFITING A MAJORITY OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE THAT'S WHERE 90 PLUS PERCENT OF YOUR PROJECTS FUNDED IN SOUTH CAROLINA UNDER THAT NATIONAL OBJECTIVE AID IN THE PREVENTION OR ELIMINATION OF SLUM OR BLIGHT IF IT'S NOT IN AN AMA NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TYPICALLY IN SOUTH CAROLINA WHERE WE DO A LOT OF OUR DEMOLITION PROJECTS BUT WE DO IT UNDER BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUNCIL THAT'S WILLING TO IDENTIFY AN AREAS SLUM OR BLIGHT AND THEN THE THIRD NATIONAL OBJECTIVE IS ADDRESSING A URGENT COMMUNITY NEED OR HEALTH THREAT THE BEST EXAMPLE CAN GIVE YOU OF THIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW FOUR PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE IN NORTH CAROLINA WHO SUFFERED SO MUCH HELPING THEIR STATE CDBG PROGRAM FUND PROJECTS UNDER THAT NATIONAL OBJECTIVE RIGHT. NOW BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY HAVE A DESPERATE SITUATION THEY'VE GOT TO GET THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE BACK IN PLACE. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN MY COMPONENT BUT IS THE DEVASTATION ISSUE THE MINIMUM MATCH REQUIREMENT? ALL PROJECTS ARE TEN IS 10%. BLUFFTON HISTORICALLY HAS DONE A LOT BETTER THAN THAT AND THAT HELPS THEM COMPETE WELL. THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SET ASIDE HAS $1,000,000 IN IT THIS AGAIN IS A SET ASIDE WHERE YOU PUT IN A REQUEST AND 30 DAYS LATER YOU MAKE AN APPLICATION AND THIS IS PRIMARY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE FOR EXPANDING BUSINESSES THAT ARE

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NEW OR EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE EXPANDING WHERE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PRIVATE INVESTMENT IS BEING OFFERED BY A COMPANY AND THERE'S JOB CREATION THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN IT AND THIS WOULD BE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE VOUCHER TO THOSE BUSINESSES.

SO IT WOULD BE TO DO THINGS LIKE A ROAD IN FOR A SITE IS GOING TO BE OWNED PUBLICLY TO PROVIDE WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER DRAINAGE INTO AN AREA THAT WOULD BE OWNED PUBLICLY BUT. IT WOULD BENEFIT THE BUSINESS THOSE JOBS THAT ARE CREATED 51% OF THEM HAVE TO GO TO LOW TO MODERATE INCOME IN AND THEY HAVE TO BE WHAT WE CALL QUALIFYING JOBS WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT I COULD GO IN AND GET A JOB FROM THIS BUSINESS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND A YEAR'S EXPERIENCE. SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT JOBS THAT ARE JOBS THAT ARE NECESSARILY DEGREE JOBS IN THAT RESPECT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ARE GOOD JOBS. THE LESSON SIDE IS REGIONAL PLANNING THAT'S $500,000 THAT THE STATE STATES IT'S UP AND THEY PROVIDE $50,000 GRANTS TO EACH OF THE TEN COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENTS OF WHICH LOWCOUNTRY OF GOVERNMENTS IS ONE TO COME OUT AND DO THESE SORTS OF HEARINGS FOR COMMUNITIES TO MEET WITH STAFF WHEN THEY HAVE PROJECTS THAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP BEFORE. WE ACTUALLY KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THE STATE DOWN TO DO THAT AS WELL IF WE NEED TO AND ALSO TO HOLD PROJECT DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS THIS YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT HOLDING A PROJECT DEVELOPMENT DAY FOR COMMUNITIES AT OUR OFFICE PROBABLY MID-MAY WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AROUND THE 14TH THE 15TH OF MAY WE'VE GOT TO SET THAT DATE WITH COMMERCE BUT THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN AND SPEND THE DAY WITH US AND. COMMUNITIES CAN COME IN AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND SPEND TIME BRAINSTORMING A NUMBER OF YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE THAT WITH US OVER THE YEARS AND IT'S NEEDED SOME SOME GOOD PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS AND THEN THE FINAL BALANCE OF THAT MONEY THAT NOW $19.8 MILLION GOES TO STATE ADMINISTRATION AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

SO THAT'S TO ALLOW THE STATE TO COME DOWN AND MEET WITH US WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING PROJECTS TO AGAIN THIS YEAR PROJECTS RECEIVE ADDITIONAL BONUS POINTS IN THEIR COMPETITIVE ROUNDS THEY ARE IN AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE PERFORMANCE THRESHOLD WHICH WHAT DOES HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT NOW BASICALLY YOU CAN TWO OPEN GRANTS AND PURSUE A THIRD GRANT IF YOU HAVE IF THE TWO OPEN GRANTS ARE LESS THAN 30 MONTHS OLD AND YOU'RE IF YOU HAD A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT GRANT OR A REGIONAL GRANT IF YOU ARE LEAD APPLICANT THAT THAT WOULDN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR THRESHOLD EITHER OTHER PERFORMANCE THRESHOLD YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT AT A TIME. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT NOW.

WE'VE CLOSED THOSE AND WE'RE NOT DOING THOSE ANYMORE. SO THIS IS REALLY A THRESHOLD ISSUE FOR PEOPLE WITH OLDER PROJECTS YOU CAN HAVE NO MORE THAN ONE NONCOMPETITIVE PROJECT AT A TIME AND THEN YOU HAVE NO MORE THAN ONE PROJECT IN THE SAME GENERAL TARGET AREA OPEN AT THE SAME TIME UNLESS YOU'RE CURRENT PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

Y'ALL DID THAT A LOT WHEN Y'ALL WERE BUILDING OUT THE SEWER EXTENSIONS THROUGH BUCK ISLAND . SIMMONS BILL, YOU HAVE A PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND YOU YOUR NEXT ONE BECAUSE YOU COULD WHILE THAT ONE WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION ALSO HERE JUST TO MENTION THE REGIONAL HOME CONSORTIUM OF WHICH BLUFFTON AND ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN OUR FOUR COUNTY REGION PARTICIPATE THIS TIME OF YEAR ARE GETTING PREPARED TO DO OUR ACTION WHICH IS NOT UNLIKE WHAT THE STATE DOES WITH CVB JUST EARLIER IN THE YEAR OR THE CONSORTIUM. WE HAVE AN APRIL DEADLINE FOR THAT.

OUR PRIORITIES IN THE HOME CONSORTIUM ARE TO REHABILITATE SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, TO INCREASE TO ADEQUATE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT AND AVAILABILITY OF SAFE, DECENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE SUBMIT OUR ANNUAL ACTION

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PLAN FOR THAT CONSORTIUM AT THE END OF APRIL AND SO I USUALLY ASK WHILE I'M OUT DOING THIS IF YOU SEPARATE FROM RANKING YOUR PRIORITIES FOR CDBG, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER, WE'RE WRITING OUR ACTION PLAN TO MAKE US AWARE OF THAT LET YOUR STAFF KNOW SO THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH US SO. WE CAN WORK ON THOSE THINGS PRIMARILY OVER THE YEARS. WHAT WE DO MOSTLY IS SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB AND THEN NEW CONSTRUCTION SINGLE FAMILY WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR HABITAT GROUPS IN THE REGION.

SO WE DO A LOT WITH HABITAT. WE'LL PROVIDE GRANTS TO THEM FOR MATERIALS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT PRIDE HOUSES SO TO A LESSER EXTENT WE DON'T DO A WHOLE LOT WITH MULTIFAMILY BUT LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AS WELL THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS FOR THE FORMAL I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A STAFF MEMO WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT BUT THEY WILL HAVE THAT READY YOUR NEXT MEETING TO VOTE OR BASED ON CONSENT AGENDA AFTER DISCUSSING THAT WITH Y'ALL THAT'S ALL I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MICHEL YEAH. THANK YOU MICHEL I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE GRANT ALLOCATION THE LOCAL PRIORITY, THE RESILIENCY IN NARROWING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE. CAN A GRANT FOR THAT BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SERVICE PROVIDER OR IT HAVE TO BE SOLELY ON THOSE WHO ARE? WELL, I MEAN ULTIMATELY ALL OF THESE GRANT PROJECTS THE HAS TO BE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE DON'T DO PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE A SUB RECIPIENT INVOLVED WHO TAKES ON THE OWNERSHIP OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST LIKE THAT HAVE DO WITH OUR SENIOR CENTERS BECAUSE FOR LONG TIME THEY'RE MOVING AWAY FROM IT NOW FOR A LONG TIME THEIR SENIOR CENTERS WEREN'T NECESSARILY THE APARTMENTS OR COUNCIL AND SO ON AGING OR NOT DEPARTMENTS OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT SO MAY HAVE I CAN REMEMBER PEOPLE COUNTY FOR EXAMPLE HAD SENIOR SERVICES OF AND THAT WAS A NONPROFIT THAT SEPARATE FROM COUNTY THAT BASICALLY MANAGED ON AGING PROGRAMS SO ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT IS USING VUE FOR JASPER WATER SEWER AUTHORITY IS A SUB RECIPIENT. YOU KNOW THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS TO BE THE GRANTEE FOR THESE FUNDS BUT THEY COULD SUB RECIPIENT OUT THOSE TO VIEW FOR JASPER TO MANAGE WHATEVER PROJECT IS SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE JUST CAN'T A FOR PROFIT YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT PART OF IT BECAUSE WHAT I WAS THE REASON I ASKED THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS AMAZING PROGRAM WHEN I WAS TEACHING IN COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE FAMILIES WHO WERE LOADING INCOME COULD APPLY TO GET WI FI IN THE HOME THROUGH ARE GREAT BUT HAD TO MEET THEIR OWN INCOME RESTRICTIONS BUT IT WAS A WAY THAT THOSE STUDENTS COULD GO HOME AND BE ABLE TO DO HOMEWORK OR TAP INTO THOSE DEVICES OR THEY ENDED THE PROGRAM AND SO MANY OF THOSE THEORIES NO LONGER HAVE THAT ACCESS. SO IT DOES BRING THAT DIVIDE BACK FOR THEM. SO I WAS JUST I WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT I MEAN MAYBE SOMETHING WORTH DISCUSSING KNOW BECAUSE I MEAN QUITE FRANKLY THEY THEY'VE GIVEN US THAT IS A IS AN OPTION THEIR PROGRAM STATEMENT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE ON THE GROUND SO IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND MAYBE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS A PILOT SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THERE THANK YOU THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING LOOKING TO AMEND MY LAST QUESTION COULD BE EVEN MORE SO TO COUNCIL ALSO WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING THE HOUSING CONSORTIUM IN SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES THERE TIE EXACTLY TO WHAT WE DO WITH THE SINCE THIS PROGRAM AND I WAS WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US IN TERMS APPLYING FOR THAT GRANT THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO WE IN IN YEARS PAST DONE SOME THINGS AND CAN JUNCTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WHAT FOUND IS THAT IT IS BETTER I THINK FOR BOTH PROGRAMS AIMS FOR ONE OF US TO GO IN AND DO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH OUR PROGRAM

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AND THEN LET THE OTHER GROUP GO IN SEPARATELY BECAUSE WHEN WE TRY TO MARRY IT ALL TOGETHER THEN WE GET KIND STUCK YOUR RULES THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM THAT THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS HAS A CERTAIN SET OF RULES AND I MEAN WE HELP YOU ALL BY THEIR FINE INCOME BUT SOME OF THE RULES THAT Y'ALL OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOUR WILL ALLOW ARE NOT SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO WITH THIS MONEY BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL MONEY FOR EXAMPLE EXAMPLE Y'ALL CAN MAKE THE DECISION IF YOU WANT TO OR AT LEAST YOU DID YOU COULD AT ONE TIME UNLESS YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR PROGRAM RULES. IF YOU WANT TO WORK ON MANUFACTURED HOUSING YOU COULD WE CAN'T WE CANNOT TOUCH ANY ANY MOBILE HOMES PERIOD WITH OUR MONEY WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE . ALL RIGHT.

AND I'LL BECAUSE THAT'S TRULY THAT'S ONE FORM OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE IN THIS REGION.

YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CAN AFFORD, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD.

BUT THERE'S A REASON BEHIND IT RIGHT. AS FAR AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS CONCERNED, THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE AND THERE ARE OTHERS TOO.

THE BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE FOUND THAT IT'S BETTER YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE CLIENT THAT Y'ALL CAN ASSIST WITH SOMETHING BUT YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING AND LET Y'ALL DO THOSE THOSE THINGS AND STEP BACK FROM IT AND THEN LET US LOOK AT BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS WITH YOUR PROGRAM YOU CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT WELL WE CAN WE NEED TO FIX MRS. JONES IS REALLY THAT'S A PRIORITY BUT MAYBE SHE'S NOT GOING TO GET I DON'T KNOW NEW FLOORING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF WE GO IN AND WE TOUCH A HOUSE WE HAVE TO BRING EVERYTHING IN IT UP TO CODE ARE YOU MIGHT SAY WELL WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE HER SOME NEW NEW CABINET SESSION UPGRADE IT WOULD BE NICE OR WE CAN WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT BUT WITH US IF IT COMES DOWN TO HAVING THAT ROOF DONE AND GETTING WIRING DONE AND ALL THAT THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY LEFT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEW CABINETS AND WE'RE JUST TO LET THAT GO BECAUSE THAT'S A COSMETIC THING. SO I MEAN AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU DO BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS IN YOUR PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S LOCALLY HELD AND YOU SET YOUR PARAMETERS RIGHT. I WENT OFF WITH ME IS WHEN YOU SAY TO THAT WITH HABITAT AND THERE'S BEEN PREVIOUS PROJECTS WHERE THEY WERE YOU GRANT PAID FOR MATERIALS I WAS JUST THINKING IN INSTANCES WHERE IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURED HOME IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ,YOU KNOW, APPLICABLE TO US I DON'T KNOW.

WE DO THAT WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. OKAY, I GOT YOU THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO IF YOU TELL ME THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS GOING TO GET INTO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, THEN THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE DO THAT WITH IS NEW CONSTRUCTION SO THEY'LL THEY'LL HAVE A SITE WE'VE CLEARED IT ENVIRONMENTALLY DO THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THIS IS FEDERAL MONEY TOO SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT JUST WE DO WITH CBD RIGHT WE'VE CLEARED IN ENVIRONMENTALLY THEY HAVE HAD THEIR THEIR CLIENT GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF YOU KNOW UNDERSTOOD SANDING HOUSEHOLD BUDGETING THE FINANCE CLASSES OR THINGS THAT THEY WANT THEM TO DO THE HOUSING COUNSELING AND ALL AND PROVIDE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND THE LABOR AND WE PROVIDE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS MATERIALS. WE WERE WORKING ON SOME PROJECTS THEM RIGHT NOW ON COLONY DRIVE I THINK IT'S A JASPER COUNTY RIGHT NOW BUT THE LAST ONES WE FINISHED UP WERE COUNTY. THEY WERE ON WALNUT STREET AND BUTTE SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL QUESTIONS FROM LAST NIGHT.

YES. OKAY. I THINK YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE AN AGENT ASSIGNED TO US RIGHT NOW WHICH IS THE YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THAT WE WHEN WE NEED YOU YOU USED TO BE MS.. JOHNSON HAD SOMEONE HER AS FAR AS HOUSING CONCERNED THE PERSON WHO'S DOING THE LION'S SHARE THAT RIGHT NOW IS TIFFANY DANTZLER IN OUR OFFICE WE'VE OF DIVIDED THE WORKLOAD A LITTLE BIT MORE I'M STILL IN IT SOME PROBABLY MORE THAN I NORMALLY WOULD BE IN IT JUST BECAUSE TIFFANY'S NOT BEEN THERE AS LONG YOU KNOW, SHE'S SHE'S 2 TO 3 YEARS AND BARBARA WAS 25 PLUS YEARS AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL

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KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS LOST WITH HER PASSING. SO YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S SOME BUT PRIMARILY TIFFANY IS THE IS THE PERSON THAT WE FEED THROUGH THE THINGS THAT I'M DOING MORE WITH RIGHT NOW THE HOME CONSORTIUM IS TRYING TO GET US TO WHERE WE CAN STEP SOME OF THE OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION THINGS WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR ART BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THERE WAS THE THE MAE RIVER VILLAGE PHASE THREE OUT HERE THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN.

IT WAS A MULTIFAMILY RENTAL ALONG WITH THE STATE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. WE'VE GOT PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN BEAUFORT CARRINGTON MANOR THAT'S LIKE THAT AND WE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME WITH THE ARP FUNDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE EXPENDED BY 2030 AND WE PROBABLY GOT I'D SAY PROBABLY AROUND MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND BY 2030. ON THAT LAST QUESTION IF THE TOWN WANTED TO PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT SUCH COMMUNITY CENTER, HOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK ? WILL THE TOWN FOR OUR COMMUNITY CENTER A MULTIPURPOSE THAT'S GOING TO SERVE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME INTO THE FEDERALS? WELL, THE FIRST THING IS THE TOWN'S GOING TO HAVE TO OWN THE PROPERTY AND THE BUILDING AND JUST LEASE IT OUT TO THAT NONPROFIT AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE THAT THEY HAVE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT THE ABILITY TO OPERATE IT AT LEAST 30 HOURS A WEEK AND BE ABLE TO GIVE US PRO FORMAS FOR FIVE YEARS TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN KEEP IT THAT WE WON'T YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY THAT WE DEVELOPED SOME OF COURSE HAVE ALREADY AND WENT ON IT TOWN TOWN DOESN'T OWN IT OKAY WELL I MEAN ANY KIND ANY KIND OF A BUILDING PROJECT WHERE YOU'VE GOT LIKE A LIBRARY, A WORKFORCE OR A SENIOR CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO HAVE OF THE FACILITY BUT THEN THEY PARTNER WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION JUST TAKING ANYTHING ELSE FROM MICHELLE REAL QUICK HER TWO THINGS WHETHER THEY APPLY TO US OR NOT I KNOW THAT THEY ABOUT THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A NON RUN TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND ALSO I KNOW AND THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE POLICE SIDE NORMALLY THERE'S A LOT OF STRUCTURES THAT SEEM TO BE DILAPIDATED OR WHATEVER I THINK I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE I KNOW THAT WE USED TAKE DOWN BUILDINGS I KNOW I HAD A A MOBILE HOME WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE OVER THERE ON A LOT THE STREET THAT WAS DERELICT IN THE TOWN REMOVED IT SO THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. LAST QUESTION REAL QUICK IS IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT SO WHEN DOES THE FEDERAL FUNDING NORMALLY GET RELEASED DOWN TO THE STATE THAT FLOWS TO LOCAL AS FAR AS THESE PROGRAMS ARE CONCERNED WE GROW THEM AND THE STATE DOES THE SAME THING WITH CDBG OUT OF AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM AS WE NEED.

SO EVEN LIKE WITH OUR HOME CONSORTIUM LET'S JUST SAY HABITAT SENT ME THE INVOICES FOR ONE OF THEIR HOUSING UNITS THIS WEEK. I GO THROUGH THOSE INVOICES AND WE MAKE A DRAW REQUEST DO IT BASED ON OUR PROGRAM YEARS IN THAT COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM SO THE MONEY FOR THE PROGRAM YEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED ARE OUT THERE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ASKING ME IF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO GO AWAY I GUESS THEY CAN BE PULLED BACK ARBITRARILY IF WE'VE ALREADY GOT COMMITMENTS OUT THERE FOR THEM NOW THE MONEY FOR THIS NEW PROGRAM YEAR IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO BE GOING THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT NOW AND THEM NOT HAVE THEIR FINAL NUMBER.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR ME WHEN I'M DOING THE THE ACTION PLAN FOR THE HOME CONSORTIUM NOT TO HAVE THE REAL NUMBER YET AND BASE IT ON ESTIMATE BASED OFF OF LAST YEAR'S FIGURES JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM TO MOVE THAT FAST EVEN IN YEARS WHERE THERE'S NOT AN ADMITTED AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BY THE DEADLINES THAT THEY WANT US TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS DONE THANK THANK YOU. SO YOU KNOW FOR HOME CONSORTIUM YEAR JUST AS A POINT WE PASSED

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THE PLAN FOR THE PROGRAM MONEY AT APRIL BOARD MEETING WE DIDN'T FIND OUT I THINK I THINK WE GOT THE AWARD NOTICE WITH THE REAL NUMBERS IN AUGUST AND SO ANYWAY BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS I WANT TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST CALL PUBLIC COMMENT SO I COULD CALL AUGUST 3RD TO PUBLIC COMMENT THIS YEAR OVER OKAY TIME TO MOVE ON THIS IS SLEEPY I'M NOT SURE ABOUT YOU. ALL RIGHT. CONCERNED THE NEXT RATE THIS IS

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