Feb 05, 2025 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

WE'LL MOVE ON WITH ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES FROM

[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

JANUARY 8TH.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE.

ALL IN FAVOR.

ON TO ELECTION OF OFFICERS.

UH, THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED.

UM, AND THEN WE NEED TO MOVE

[V. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]

UM, YOU LIKE TO START WITH ANY DISCUSSION ON OFFICERS THIS YEAR? DON'T NEED THE WORDING.

CHAIR, VICE CHAIR INTO C MEMBERS.

SO BEFORE WE MOVE INTO NOMINATIONS, IS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY, UH, WHO ISN'T CURRENTLY IN CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR POSITION OR HPRC POSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INTERESTED? ALRIGHT.

UM, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVAN IS COMFORTABLE REMAINING AS CHAIR, IF WE WOULD LIKE THAT.

UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REMAIN AS CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.

UM, AND THEN WE NEED TO ALSO CHOOSE HPRC COMMITTEE, ME MEMBERS.

UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION? I EVAN, AS THE CHAIR TO REMAIN CHAIR? I'LL SECOND.

YES.

UM, ANY, ALL IN FAVOR OF EVAN GOODWIN AS CHAIR FOR THE HPC? AYE.

EVAN IS ELECTED CHAIR.

UM, ANY NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR? I CAN NOMINATE? I NOMINATE MYSELF AS VICE CHAIR FOR THE HPC.

YEAH, SURE.

WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR, UH, EVAN OR, OR, UH, JOE.

JOE, I'LL NOMINATE YOU AS VICE CHAIR.

ALL IN FAVOR OF ME AS VICE CHAIR A AYE.

UM, AND THEN WE NEED TO, IS IT TWO OR THREE? TWO TWO IN ADDITION TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? UH, YES, I BELIEVE SO.

UM, JIM, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ON IT.

WOULD YOU LIKE, UH, I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE CAPACITY TO, TO BE THERE, BUT ONE DAYS.

ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE? YEAH, I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO NOMINATE TIM PROB TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SECOND, LET'S EVERYBODY ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

TIM, YOU ARE ON THE HPRC AND WE HAVE A SECOND MEMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE H-P-R-C-I.

I, I'M ALREADY ON IT, SO JUST WANT TO NO ONE ELSE WILL DO IT ELSE.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD THERE COMPARED TO YOU GUYS.

I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME, ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON.

I'LL, UH, I'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THREE PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE, I'LL JUST CONTINUE.

SO, UH, I'LL NOMINATE JIM TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SECOND, ARE YOU ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

FIRST ITEM, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE REQUEST BY CLEAR CUT CONSTRUCTION ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, WILLIAM GLOVER, FOR A REVIEW OF A COA HD TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL

GREAT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.

UH, THE

[VII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Clear Cut Construction, on behalf of the owner, William Glover, for the review of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to allow the construction of a new 2-story Single Family Residential Structure of approximately 2,325 SF and Carriage House structure of approximately 1,174 SF, located at 34 Tabby Shell Road, Lot 18 in the Tabby Roads Development, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District, within the Neighborhood General-HD zoning district. (COFA-03-24-019047) (Staff – Charlotte Moore)]

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STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 2,325 SQUARE FEET AND CARRIAGE HOUSE STRUCTURE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,174 SQUARE FEET.

LOCATED AT 34 AVIELLE ROAD IN THE TAVI ROADS DEVELOPMENT IN OLD TOWN BLUFFTON WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROJECT FOR THE RECORD? I'M SAWYER GRAHAM.

UM, I JUST MADE A QUICK UPDATE TO MY POWERPOINT, SO LET ME BRING THIS UP.

ALL RIGHTY.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT'S BEEN CONTINUED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

THE FIRST, UH, INITIAL REVIEW WAS NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024.

IT WAS CONTINUED TO THE JANUARY 8TH MEETING.

AT THAT MEETING, UM, THERE WAS, UM, A DIRECTIVE FOR THE HPRC MEMBERS TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS, AND WE DID SO, UH, BACK IN JANUARY AFTER THE MEETING.

AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TODAY IS A RESPONSE TO, UM, THE PREVIOUS, UM, DIRECTIVES OF THE HPC.

I DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME HARBORING ON OR, UM, UH, GOING OVER THE DETAILS OF THIS.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY.

AGAIN, UH, THIS IS LOCATED IN TABBY ROADS, UH, 34 TABBY ROADS.

IT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

YOU SEE HERE THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE DARKER GRAY IS THE HEATED SQUARE FOOTAGE.

UH, THE LIGHTER GRAY WOULD BE THE PORCHES AND, UM, THE CART.

UM, UH, THE AREA FOR THE GOLF CART TO BE STORED.

GROUND FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR PLANS, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS IF NEED BE.

HERE'S THE FRONT VIEW.

UH, IT DOES INCLUDE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TONIGHT WHETHER OR NOT THE POWDER COATED STEEL IS APPROPRIATE.

UM, THEY'RE AT THE SECOND, UH, FLOOR FOR THE RAILINGS.

UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY WAS REGARDING THE CONNECTOR HEIGHT OF THE ROOF.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED.

AND HERE IS THE REVISION.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ROOF HAS BEEN LOWERED.

HERE IS THE, UH, EAST OR THE LEFT ELEVATION AND THE REVISION TO THAT ELEVATION.

AGAIN, THE LOWERED ROOF CONNECTOR.

HERE IS THE REAR ELEVATION, THE REVISED ROOF PLAN.

THERE'S AN EYEBROW ROOF HERE OVER THE GARAGE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED BUILDING SECTION IF WE NEED TO SEE THIS, THE FOUNDATION PLAN, AS WELL AS THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR PLANS.

THERE WAS SOME, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WALL DETAILS, AND I KNOW THIS IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO READ.

AND IF NEED BE, I CAN PULL UP, UM, MAKE THIS LARGER IF WE NEED TO SEE THAT.

I DO WANNA POINT OUT, AND I DIDN'T PICK IT UP IN MY REVIEW, BUT THE COLUMNS ARE SHOWN AS A PERMA CAST MATERIAL, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED BY THE UDO.

SO, UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT PERMA CAST IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL.

THE DOOR IN WINDOW DETAILS, THE REVIEW CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET, UM, BEFORE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A, OF A HANDFUL OF ITEMS THAT I WANNA POINT OUT.

UM, SO IN OUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED, UM, A FEW THINGS.

I'M SORRY, THE NUMBERING IS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATED.

UM, ONE IS TO PROVIDE A WINDOW SCHEDULE TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH PERMITTED MATERIALS.

UM, I, UH, WITH THE DOOR SCHEDULE AS WELL TO SHOW COMPLIANCE, UM, IDENTIFY THE TYPE OF STANDING SEAM MATERIAL TO BE USED.

UM, IDENTIFY THE TYPE OF MATERIAL TO BE USED FOR THE GUTTERS AND SHOW THAT THE, UH, DOWNSPOUT MATERIALS ARE ALSO CONSISTENT.

THE LOCATION OF THE ELECTRIC PANELS, UM, DEMONSTRATE THAT 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE WILL BE PROVIDED.

AND, UM, TO PROVIDE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, THERE ARE A FEW DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE.

AGAIN, THE PERMIT CAST MATERIAL FOR THE COLUMNS THAT IS, UH, NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR UDO, THE POWDER COATED STEEL MATERIAL FOR THE SECOND FLOOR PORCH RAILING.

AND THEN THE USE OF AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH IS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL.

THE ACTIONS TONIGHT YOU CAN APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY, UH, THE, UH, APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED THIS EVENING.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU.

CHARLOTTE.

UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT,

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THIS IS PRESTON GLOVER.

WE'RE SEA ISLAND CONSTRUCTION GROUP.

WE'LL PROBABLY GO POWDERCOATED ALUMINUM.

UM, THE PERMA CAST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, IT'S TREATED, UM, TREATED PINE PRESSURE, TREATED PINE, SO THAT'S A MISTAKE.

UH, WE WILL CORRECT THAT.

IT'S STANDING SAME ALUMINUM.

UM, AND THEN I REMEMBER DISCUSSING WITH EVAN, POWDER COATED STEEL HAD BEEN APPROVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MULTIPLE TIMES, SO, UM, WE FELT WE WERE OKAY TO, TO STAY WITH THAT.

UH, BUT YEAH, WE UPDATED THE, ALL THE DETAILS TO MATCH THE ELEVATIONS, UM, PROVIDED A BRACKET DETAIL AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT SHE SAID.

UM, THE, ALL THE DOORS ARE GONNA BE WOOD AND ALL THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE, UH, MARVIN ELEVATE SERIES, WHICH ARE ALL ALWAYS USED IN DOWNTOWN BLUFFTON.

SO I THINK THEY'RE LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A FIBER GLASS MATERIAL THAT'S CLA IT'S WOOD CLAD WITH THAT, UM, WE CAN UPDATE THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE IF THAT'S, UM, NECESSARY TO, TO STATE THAT.

UM, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

GREAT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DISCUSSION? AS LONG AS YOU UPDATE THE WINDOW SCHEDULE, LIKE YOU SAY, THEN EVAN, WAS IT EVAN DEVIN APPROVE THE POWDER COATED METAL RAILINGS? WE, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES THAT THERE ARE, UM, MULTIPLE SIMILAR RAILINGS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN THE PAST.

UM, AND WE HAVEN'T MADE IT TO A VOTE.

BUT EVERYBODY'S BEEN KIND OF LEANING IN THAT DIRECTION.

IT ALREADY EXISTS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO REFERENCE IN RELATION TO THIS.

UH, A QUESTION.

SO WHAT IS THE RAILING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY CALLED OUT DRAWINGS.

UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A DETAIL FOR IT.

IT'S POWDER COATED.

WE'RE EITHER POWDER POWDERCOATED, ALUMINUM OR POWDERCOATED STEEL.

BUT I MEAN, WHAT IS PLA BAR? IT'S ALL THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU PULL UP THE DETAIL AND THE WALL SECTION IS NOT CALLED OUT ON THAT.

THE WALL SECTION.

A 4 0 1 3 HANDRAIL DETAIL.

YEP.

WHAT PAGE IS SET ON? YEAH, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE.

IT'S UP.

IT'S NOT ON.

THAT MIGHT BE TO THE LEFT.

IT'S NOT 400 TOO.

IT'S, IT'S ON THERE.

IT'S, IT'S A STANDALONE DETAIL.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE, OKAY.

UM, ON THE ELEVATION IT SAYS 36 INCHES FROM GRADE THAT IT'S GONNA BE 30 INCHES.

THERE'S NOT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO TRIGGER A HANDRAIL ON THAT FIRST FLOOR.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE I SAW THAT THAT'S MINIMUM 36 INCHES ON THERE.

ELEVATION.

HEARD THE UDO, THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR HAS TO BE 36 INCHES FROM AN AVERAGE ADJACENT SIDEWALK GRADE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.

AND 30 INCHES FROM AT, FROM GRADE, UH, AT THE BRICKS RIGHT THERE.

YEAH, IT SAYS WE PULL, IT SAYS WE PULLS ON IT.

SO THAT WILL BE 30 INCHES.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET A HANDRAIL.

THAT'S EXACTLY.

UM, AND THEN ONE LAST THING ON THE, UM, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE WALL SECTION, I'M SORRY ON THAT.

UM, SO ON THE, HOW ARE WE DRAINING THAT WATER ON THAT DECK? IS IT B POLES? IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS THAT THE ONE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? SO YEAH.

UH, A 402.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN READ THAT.

SO AT, DO YOU HAD IT? YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

THE MIDDLE ONE.

SO DRAINING THAT OUT OF THERE.

HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE DOING WE HOLES? ARE YOU GONNA HOLD THAT? IT'S KIND OF UNCLEAR HOW THAT WATER'S GETTING OUTTA THAT DECK ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

UH, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO DO WEEP HOLES IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A PIECE OF TRIM AROUND THE FRONT, HOW HE HAS IT DRAWN THAN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO WEEP POLES IN THAT.

CAN WE HOLD THAT? I MEAN, I'D RATHER, INSTEAD OF HAVING WEEP HOLES AND HAVING HOLES THROUGH IT, CAN WE PULL THAT TRIM OUT? YEAH.

PULL IT OUT JUST FOR IT OUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN A HALF INCH, JUST A WIRE DRAINER.

OH YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

INSTEAD OF HAVING DRILL HOLES IN THE ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED ON THERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

CAN YOU SEE I CAN'T SEE IT ON THERE.

IS THAT WHAT IT'S, DOES IT SAY WEEP HOLES? OH, UM,

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SO IF WE CAN DO, INSTEAD OF, WE PULLS, HOLD THAT FASCIA TO THE FRONT PORCH THERE, THERE'S JUST A SEPARATE NOTE.

SO THAT'S THE SAME 1 8 400 DASH TWO.

IF YOU GO UP, IT SAYS WE HOLES RIGHT? THE TAG UP A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

JUST UP A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, I THINK THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN INTENDING FOR THERE TO BE, WE PULLS IN THE BASEBOARDS AND THE COLUMNS IN ALL THE, IN THE DETAILS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ON THE FACE SHEET.

I'M OKAY WITH A COUPLE ON THE COLUMNS, BUT IN THE FACE SHEET ARE GONNA HAVE WE PULLS IN THE FRONT THAT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, I I AGREE WITH.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

PULL THAT TERM OUT AND THEN IT'LL GO AWAY.

YOU BASICALLY REMOVE THAT PIECE OF TRIM.

NOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS PULL THAT TRIM OUT HALF INCH MM-HMM .

SO WATER CAN JUST DRAIN OUT THERE MM-HMM .

SO IT CAN GO THROUGH THERE SO THAT, THAT FRONT IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REALLY SEE IT.

INSTEAD OF HAVING HOLES THROUGH THAT, YOU'RE GONNA THROUGH THE WHOLE FACIA THERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

PULL IT OUT.

YOU DON'T NEED FLASHING 'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A MEMBRANE BECAUSE WATER WOULD JUST DRAIN OUT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S JUST A KICK FLASHING.

IT GETS WATER OFF OF THERE SO IT GOES OVER THE EDGE.

SO IT'LL GO OVER THAT.

IT'LL GO OVER THAT TRIM.

SO THERE'S TWO PIECES OF TRIM THERE, RIGHT? IT'LL GO OVER THE BELOW.

I'M TALKING THAT TOP TRIM, MOVE THAT OUT.

JUST EVEN A HALF INCH OF WATER DRAIN OUT THERE.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF WATER IN THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET PRETTY MUCH LIKE A DRIP EDGE THAT GOES AROUND A, A FLAT ROOF.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A NICE JOB OF UPDATING THE, THE PLANS IN THIS LAST ROUND AND GETTING EVERYTHING LABELED, UM, AND ADDRESSING OUR COMMENTS THROUGH THE PREVIOUS PROCESS.

SO I THINK WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? UH, WE IN IN THE OR IN IN THINK THE OTHER THING WE SHOULD DISCUSS, WE DISCUSSED THE, IS THE WOOD COMPOSITE AND IS AS AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOORS PROBABLY BEFORE WE GET TO THERE, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, IN THE MOTION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AND THE POWDERCOATED STEEL.

UM, IF THE PERMA CAST COLUMNS ARE GONNA BE WOOD.

SO THE GARAGE DOORS, THAT'S JUST A, AN OVERLAY GARAGE DOOR WITH A COMPOSITE MATERIAL AND THEN A STEEL FACE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS WERE EXPECTING THERE? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE LAST PART YOU SAID THE GARAGE DOORS? YEAH.

YOU SAID STEEL FACE, IS THAT, WHAT, IS IT A, IS IT ALL COMPOSITE? UM, I BELIEVE SO.

YEAH, IT'S THE, IT'S, WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE EXACT MODEL.

THEY, THEY'VE BEEN USED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

LIKE THEY'RE LIKE 10 HOUSES AT LEAST IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE IT LOOK, LOOK LIKE A CARRIAGE HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE, UM, IT IS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL.

I DOORS YEAH, IT'S A WOOD COMPOSITE.

WOOD COMPOSITE.

75% SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, I'M OKAY.

IT'S, I THINK IT'S A PRETTY TYPICAL GARAGE DOOR.

UM, THAT'S BEEN USED A LOT DOWN HERE.

I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING TRUE WOOD GARAGE DOORS APPLICATION.

SO I, I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

UM, GREAT.

SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, AND IN THE MOTION, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE TWO DETERMINATIONS FOR THE POWDER CODE STEEL HANDRAIL AND THE WOOD COMPOSITE GARAGE DOORS.

AND I APOLOGIZE, I, UM, MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING WHILE YOU WERE TALKING.

UM, WITH REGARD TO FINDINGS, THE WEEP HOLD, IS THAT A CONDITION THAT YOU ALSO WANTED TO ADD? YES.

YOU WANNA MAKE THAT MOTION AND ADD IT TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? YEAH.

DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE WHOLE THING OR DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE, UM, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ? A A MOTION COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE I MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, STAFF COMMENTS AND THEN ADD ANY COMMENTS AND THEN WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE DETERMINATIONS.

SO YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF THE WEEP HOLE AND THE DETERMINATION THAT WOULD COMPOSITE AND THE POWDER COATED STEEL RAILINGS ARE APPROPRIATE.

UM, ALSO LEAVE THAT NUMBER SIX, THE

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AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, WE, WE DID SUBMIT THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PRINTED.

WE GOT THAT RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, AND AS LONG AS YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT STUFF, STAFF CAN ADDRESS THAT.

AND THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE'RE, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN HERE IN IT, WE, IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE FOR YOU.

UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, STAFF FINDINGS, UM, ALONG WITH, UH, MOVING THE WEEP HOLES AND, UH, PULLING THE FASCIA.

TOP FASCIA OUT'S GREAT DRAINAGE OUTPATIENT DRAIN.

UH, SO MOVING OUTPATIENT TRIM OUT A HALF INCH, NO MOVE IN WEEVILS CORRECT.

PULLING OUT THE TOP PATIENT'S TRIM HALF INCH AND PULLING, PULLING OUT THE TOP PATIENT'S TRIM.

IS SHE SPELLING IT WRONG? DRAINAGE YOU CAN ELIMINATE WE HOLES ELIMINATE TO BE HOLES.

REMOVE WE HOLES NOT MOVING.

AND THEN THERE WERE TWO DETERMINATIONS.

WE, WE, UH, FOUND OUT THAT THE PERM CAST COLUMNS WILL ACTUALLY BE WOOD, SO WE CAN REMOVE THAT ONE.

AND, SORRY.

AND THEN WOULD COMMISSION BE APPROVING THE POWDERED COATED STEEL AND THE DEPOSIT? THIS IS ALL STILL YOUR MOTION.

SO DO I.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE, YOU'D NEED TO STATE.

SO YEAH.

AND MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF RECOGNITIONS ONE AND TWO.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, ALL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SO THE, UH, APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

A REQUEST BY CHRISTOPHER EPPS ON BEHALF OF OWNERS, JAY AND LORI, SOPHIA NICK FOR REVIEW OF A COA HD TO ALLOW A CONSTRUCTION, A TWO-STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE WITH APPROXIMATELY 1,199 SQUARE FEET AT 17 LAWRENCE STREET IN OLD TOWN, BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THANK, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

NEW BUSINESS,

[VIII.1. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Christopher Epps (Incircle Architecture), on behalf of owners, Jay and Lori Sofianek, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - HD to allow the construction of a 2-story Carriage House of approximately 1199 SF located at 17 Lawrence Street in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD. (COFA-11-24-019458)(Staff - Charlotte Moore)]

SO NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD, UH, WITH A KOFA AS NOTED ON THE SCREEN.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON LAWRENCE STREET, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY HERE IN RED, KIND OF UNUSUAL SHAPE.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION HERE APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS PROPOSED.

IN THE CORNER HERE IS A SITE PHOTO.

UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE YOU SEE HERE.

THE ARROW IS POINTING TO THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE HOUSE.

HERE IS THE EXISTING SITE.

THERE IS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, UM, AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WILL BE, UH, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY IN THIS LOCATION.

UM, THE ONE THING, UH, TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT THERE IS A LARGE 42 INCH LIVE OAK IN FRONT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE TWO VEHICULAR BAYS.

UM, THE BAY LOCATED HERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN HOW THIS, UH, MIGHT WORK.

SO THE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE SHOWN RECONFIGURED.

UM, IF THE INTENT IS TO HAVE VEHICULAR VEHICLES OR ANYTHING ELSE TO PULL IN THERE, WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT THIS SLY OAK IS PROTECTED.

SO WE WOULD REQUEST MORE INFORMATION.

HERE IS THE FOUNDATION PLAN.

AGAIN, THE TWO BAYS LOCATED HERE.

THERE IS A SIDE, UH, GARAGE DOOR, UH, ON THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING.

ON THE SIDE THERE WOULD BE A STAIRWELL TO THE SECOND FLOOR RESIDENCE.

UH, THE PORCH, UH, UNDERNEATH, WE'LL HAVE THE SERVICE YARD, UH, AND THE LOCATION OF THE PORCH.

AND THE SERVICE YARD IS APPROPRIATE.

IT CAN BE AT LEAST THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH IT IS.

SO THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

UH, HERE IS THE ELEVATION, UM, CONSIST OF HARDY PLANK SIDING.

THE, UH, THE ROOFING MATERIAL FOR THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL

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SHINGLES.

AND THEN ON THE GROUND FLOOR LEVEL, UH, STANDING SEA METAL, UH, THE PORCH, THE RAILINGS WILL CONSIST OF WOOD.

HERE IS THE REAR ELEVATION, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, SECTIONS, WALL SECTION INFORMATION.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE WILL NEED, UH, IS TO KNOW THE SOFFIT MATERIAL AND THE CONFIGURATION.

SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS HERE AS WELL.

THE REVIEW CRITERIA, THERE ARE FOUR.

UM, THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT DOES COMPLY.

THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS, HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET.

UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE, AND I, I FORGOT NUMBER TWO, UM, ONE IS TO SHOW HOW THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE RECONFIGURED FOR ACCESS TO THE LEFT BAY OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

UH, PROVIDE A TOP RAIL THAT IS A MINIMUM OF TWO AND THREE QUARTERS INCHES.

UH, THREE, PROVIDE A BEADED OR QUARTER ROUND INCEPT TRIM MOLD FOR THE CORNER BOARDS.

FOUR, IDENTIFY THE SOFFIT MATERIAL AND CONFIGURATION.

AND THEN FIVE SHAWL BUILDING MATERIALS INDICATED ON THE PROJECT ANALYSIS ON THE PLAN SHEET.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE THAT.

UM, BUT ALSO TO INCLUDE THE DOOR AND WINDOW MATERIALS.

UM, AND WITH THAT STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STAFF PRESENTATION? ALRIGHT.

THE LOCATION OF IT IS THREE FEET OFF THE, OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT? IT IS.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ITSELF THAT'S, UM, THREE FEET OFF.

IT'S THE PORCH, THE STAIRWELL, AND THE PORCH, UH, WHICH IS PERMITTED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT? SURE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

UM, CHRIS RES.

I'M WITH ENC CIRCLE ARCHITECTURE.

UH, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE WRONG ELEVATION, BY THE WAY.

UM, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS, UH, DURING CONCEPTUAL MEETING AND OBVIOUSLY NOW THEY SENT OUT THE WRONG DRAWINGS FOR YOU GUYS.

WE, SO, BUT WE'LL GO FROM THIS.

UH, APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO DOWN EACH FINDING AND ADDRESS EACH.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

OH, WE CAN, OH, UH, I DON'T, SO YOU HAVE THE, ACTUALLY YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE LAPTOP AND THE PRESENTATION.

IF YOU WANNA USE THE ARROWS TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

THIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, UH, I WAS ON THIS BOARD FROM 2012 TO 2020.

I'M THE ONE WHO STARTED CONCEPTUAL.

NEED TO BLAME FOR THAT ONE.

SO, UH, AM I GETTING CLOSE TO STAFF FINDINGS? UM, IF YOU WERE GOING BACKWARDS, YOU'RE PROBABLY HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECT.

THERE YOU GO.

UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS IN THE LIVE OAK IS THE FIRST WE'VE HEARD OF HAVING AN ISSUE.

UH, WE LOOKED AND ACTUALLY STATED OUT AND SAID, I'M FROM BLUFFTON.

UH, MY DAUGHTER'S FROM GENERATION.

I'M ACTUALLY FROM, AND JOY, SORRY, NOT FROM BLUFFTON.

UH, FIFTH GENERATION.

I'VE ACTUALLY DENIED CLIENTS BASED ON CUTTING LIVE OAKS.

WE'VE ALREADY STAKED THAT OUT.

THERE'S MINIMUM DAMAGE TO A LIVE OAK.

WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT ADDRESS IT.

UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WILL PROBABLY BE OUT THERE ARBORIST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT TOUCHED.

THE DRIVEWAY WILL COMPLY.

AND I'LL JUST ASK FOR THAT TO BE APPROVED FOR STAFF LEVEL AT A CONCEPTUAL MEETING.

SO IT'D BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE FINAL DESIGN.

UH, THE TOP RAIL, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM.

UH, IT MIGHT BE A NEW ONE SINCE I, THE RAILING PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, ALL THE PROMENADE, ALL OF, A LOT OF THE STOCK FARM IN THOSE AREAS.

SO IT'S A SIMPLE TWO BUYS, PRESSURE TREATED STOCK, OPERATE, UH, THE BEADED TRIM CORNER BOARDS.

AGAIN, IF YOU EVEN LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND BAD, ACROSS THE STREET, HAS THE SAME CORNER, TWO BY MATERIAL AND XI DON'T KNOW WHERE BEADED INSERT COMES FROM.

I, I SAW THAT YOU HAD THAT RABBITED AND, AND THE YEAH.

BULLET POINT ABOVE THAT HAS RABBITED AS AN, AS AN OPTION FOR THE CORNER BOARDS, UH, SOFFIT MATERIAL.

THIS IS PRESSURE TREATED, UM, EXPOSED EVE

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AS PER THE WALL SECTION.

UH, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.

I THINK ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO SUBMIT A FINAL, UH, WHEN WE START GETTING OUR BIDS BACK FROM CONTRACTORS SUBMITTING A FINAL, UH, APPROVAL WITH OUR WINDOW SCHEDULES AND WHICH ONES WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN.

UH, THEY ARE WOOD AS PER THE APPLICATION.

AND THE FRONT IS GOING, YOU KNOW, THE DOOR GARAGE DOORS, MEL, OR POSSIBLY WOOD.

AND I BELIEVE, I THINK IN MY HEAD.

ANY OTHER, I THINK, UM, ON THE SOFFIT QUESTION YOU SAID THAT, UH, IT'S EXPOSED PRESSURE TREATED.

THAT'S THE RAFTER TAIL.

IS THE SOFFIT, THE ROOF DECK ABOVE THAT EXPOSED? IT'D BE PRESSURE TREATED.

OH, THAT'LL BE, YEAH.

TREATED LIKE TONGUE GROUP.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE GET AN UPDATED DETAILS OF STAFF FOR THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY, IT'S ON THE, UH, WALL SECTION.

IT'S, I THOUGHT I SAW, I HAD SEEN, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE, THESE PLANS MAY NOT BE THE, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO REALLY KIND OF LOOK AT 'EM 'CAUSE YOU GOT SO MANY THINGS AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF BUSY PEOPLE.

AND I APPRECIATE THE, HOW MUCH YOU GUYS ARE VOLUNTEERS AND HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE.

I KNOW, UH, I WAS THE ONLY PROFESSIONAL SEAT FOR MANY YEARS.

SO YEAH.

THIS WALL SECTION HERE, THIS PART COMES OUT AND DETAILS EXACTLY HOW THAT LOOKS.

I DO MY, UH, DRAWINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I, I, I MEAN I'VE SEEN THAT APPROACH BEFORE.

I DIDN'T SEE, WELL, I, UH, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THE EX, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT PLYWOOD DRAWN MM-HMM .

COMING DOWN ON TOP OF THE EXPOSED RAFTERS.

BUT THAT NOTE DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE MATERIAL IS BETWEEN THE SIDING AND THE FASCIA BOARD IN THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH THE PLYWOOD THERE.

'CAUSE THE EXPOSED PLYWOOD IS NOT IN, IU GONNA BE A FIVE, A FIVE QUARTER, FIVE QUARTER ONE HAPPY.

YES.

UH, TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL, THAT COMES FROM, UH, I INTERNED UNDER MIKE VIRO, SO WE DID A LOT OF LUPIN AND THAT COMES FROM THAT DETAIL.

WE JUST, OKAY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE COPY AND PASTE ARCHITECTS.

YOU DON'T REALLY DO MUCH DRAWING .

WE MAKE PRETTY PICTURES, BUT WE JUST COPY AND PASTE.

REALLY.

THANKS.

SO, UM, AND I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES FROM PRE-APP, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, MADE THE WEAVER WINDOWS SMALLER, MADE THAT THE BELT, AS THEY USED TO CALL IT A LITTLE SMALLER, IT WAS A LOT TALLER TO BEGIN WITH.

AND WE MADE IT BECAUSE OF LIVE OAK.

WE MADE IT SHORTER.

AND TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THE MEAT BUILDING, DID YOUR UPDATED PLANS INCLUDE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE DRIVEWAY, UM, TO NEGOTIATE THE LIVE OAK? UH, I DIDN'T GET THAT RESPO.

I DIDN'T KNOW I NEEDED TO DO THAT.

NOT WANT, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE DRIVE ORIENTATION ON THE SITE PLAN FOR US? BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS, I WOULD'VE INCLUDE IT IN THIS APPLICATION, BUT THAT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO CONCEPTUAL.

I DIDN'T GET THAT FEEDBACK, SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN MY PLANS.

UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN HERE, IS THAT JUST SHOWING THE EXISTING DRIVE? IT'S SHOWING THE EXISTING DRIVE HERE.

SO IT DOES IS THE, IN THIS AREA, IT'S ACTUALLY HE'S JUST STORING A CAR.

ON INSIDE.

IT'S NOT, UH, ON A LIFT.

AND THAT LIFT COMES IN.

SO THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH EXPANSION THERE.

SO THE, THE LEFT SIDE GARAGE DOOR THAT'S AT THE, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PLAN.

IS THE GARAGE, IS THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO BE EXTENDED TO CAPTURE THAT DOOR? IT'S GRAVE PRIMABLE GRAVEL.

AND THEN I THINK THAT'S WHERE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND HAVE THE YEAH.

UH, WHEN WE GIVEN UP THAT SET OF PLANS, UH, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.

I THINK I WOULD PREFER TO BE STAFF LEVEL ON THAT.

YOU KNOW, DO A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL PER CONCEPTUAL MEETING.

UM, WHERE'S THE LIVE OAK THAT CONCERNED ABOUT RIGHT HERE? CIRCLE IN RED.

GOT IT.

THE LISTINGS USED TO BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT IN THERE.

UH, IT'S THE, WHAT DOESN'T DO IT JUSTICE IS THE IMAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE, KIND OF BLOCKS THAT VIEW.

I THINK THE ZILLOW LISTINGS, YOU CAN PULL UP THE ZILLOW LISTING THAT PROBABLY SHOWS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

BUT IT'S THAT LIVE OAK, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S IN FRONT.

IT WOULD BE THE ONLY AFFECTED LIMB IF WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

I THINK THE, I THINK STAFF'S CONCERN WAS MOSTLY, UH, A QUESTION OF WHERE WILL THE DRIVEWAY BE AND HOW CLOSE WILL THAT BE TO THE TREE.

I'LL ACTUALLY UPDATE THE SITE AND IT'S NOT GONNA MINIMUM .

LET'S SEE IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.

I USED TO LOVE IT.

THEY STARTED, UH, DELETING THESE,

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COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST PULL THE SITE PLAN UP AGAIN? BECAUSE I THINK WE, AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A TRUNK, WE'RE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE CANOPY.

HOW GET IN THAT LAST BAG.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN FRONT OF IT.

IT'S 20 FEET, 20, 30 FEET.

THAT'S A GOOD DISTANCE.

AND WHICH ONE IS IT? YOU HAVE TO TELL FROM THIS PARTICULAR VIEW HERE.

I WAS TRYING TO PULL OUT THE OTHER ONE.

I HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE, BUT I MIGHT GO PASS THAT MY PHONE.

UM, GO TO IMAGE NUMBER SIX.

ARE YOU THE SLIDE SIX HERE? OKAY.

OH, IT'S THAT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE RED CIRCLED ONE ON THE ANSET ON THE LEFT.

GET IN THERE.

IT'S ALREADY GRAVEL THERE.

IF YOU NOTICE.

WHERE MEAN THERE'S A GRAVEL DRIVE.

ACTUALLY I CAN SEE THE LINE THERE, BUT I MEAN, YOUR LAST BAY IS WHERE THAT TREE IS, IS NOT, UM, IF I CAN SHOW YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S ALREADY A, UH, A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY HERE.

IT GOES IN.

SO IT WOULD ONLY BE HERE, BEEN THERE AROUND THAT TREE.

AND GIVEN THAT LAST, SO THERE'S NO ACTUAL VEHICLE.

MM-HMM.

THE VEHICLE ON THIS SIDE, THIS SIDE IS A LIFT THAT'S PORTABLE SIDE, BUT IT WILL ONLY SLIGHTLY BEND THERE.

HOW ARE WE PUSH IT UP? UH, AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE FENCE, WE ACTUALLY HAD IT FURTHER DOWN AND PUSHED IT BACK.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM ASPECT ON THAT LIVELIHOOD.

WELL, THERE'S A THREE FOOT SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

BUT YOU NEED, YOU DO NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT.

OH, IT'S THE STAIRWAY, THE STAIRS, RIGHT? THAT'S YEAH.

YOU, YEAH.

BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE STAIRS TO BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO THE PROPERTY.

TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE.

WELL THAT'S THE PORCH.

BUT, UM, YEAH.

IS, SORRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? THAT'S, IT'S A, IT IS A PORCH COMING OUT.

UM, HOW ARE WE FEELING ABOUT, UH, IF THEY WERE TO SUBMIT, UM, A REVISED SITE PLAN FOR STAFF REVIEW FOR HOW THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE ADDED ONTO AROUND THE OAK AREA.

AND IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN, UH, GET A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO TRY DRAW THAT UP.

I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD ALL APPRECIATE HAVING THAT RECORDED AND HAVING STAFF VIEW THAT AGAINST THE BEST PRACTICES.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, CONSTRUCTING AROUND THE LIVE OAKS.

YOU SEE THAT COMMENT UNTIL SURE.

LAST FRIDAY.

WELL I THINK WE CAN DO THAT AS AN APPROVAL CONDITION.

THAT'S, THAT'S EASY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT THE, UM, THE TWO AND THREE QUARTER INCH TOP RAIL REQUIREMENT.

DO YOU, I WAS HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THAT.

DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THAT IS IN THE UDO AND WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM AS A COMMENT? 5 15 6 H MM-HMM .

5 5 15 6 H.

THERE'S ONCE ONE IN THERE ABOUT ROUND ONES, BUT BECAUSE OF A DA AND ALL THAT STUFF, COULDN'T FOLLOW IT ANYMORE.

IT'S DIRECTLY 15 H MY, MY COPY OF THE UDO THAT I HAD IS THE ONE THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT MURKY AS TO WHAT ALL THE NUMBERING LETTERING IS.

WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SECTION THAT, THAT IS IN THE DO PORCHES.

THE PORCHES, YEAH.

YOU HAVE IT.

THAT'D BE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IT SAYS THERE.

3D, 3D AND TWO THREE REQUIRES.

HOW ARE WE FEELING ABOUT THAT REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, IT IS STATED IN THE UUD, THAT'S TWO AND THREE QUARTERS.

IT COULD BE A SHUTTER DOG TYPE OF THING.

SORRY, A SHUTTER DOG AT ONE TIME THERE WAS ONLY ONE SHUTTER DOG APPROVED.

YEAH, IT WAS A HEAD SHAPE.

SO EVERY TIME SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A SHUTTER DOG, WE HAD TO, WE APPROVE THE SHUTTER DOG BECAUSE IT WASN'T

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IN THE EDO.

I MEAN, IS THERE A REASON WE COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T JUST ADD A THREE QUARTER, UH, PIECE OF A SECOND PIECE OF TRIM UNDERNEATH IT AND CREATE A COMPOSITE TOP RAIL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THICKER THAN JUST A TWO BY YOU CAN STICK A SURE.

UM, I FIVE QUARTER I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO APPLY TO DOING THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S KIND OF A DETAIL THAT'S EVERYWHERE IN BLUFFTON.

SO, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE, I MEAN THE HBC WANTS TO DO COMMISSION HAPPEN TO ERIC.

DO YOU HAVE, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE IDEAS IN YOUR HEAD ABOUT WHERE THAT IS? UH, OLD VILLAGE SQUARE, WHICH IS SOMETHING ELSE NOW THE VILLAGE BEHIND THERE.

ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK ROW ON UH, PROMENADE HAVE THEM, UH, THE TWO FRONT BUILDINGS INCLUDING CORNER PERK, THE TWO BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF PROMENADE, UH, COUPLE OF ONE IN STOCK FARM.

UH, IT'S A STANDARD.

DID ANYBODY HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? I, I HAVE SEEN IT AROUND TOWN AS WELL.

IT'S, AS A CARPENTER'S ONE OF WHAT STANDARD IT ALREADY EXISTS.

UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PROJECT? THE REST OF THE PROJECT? OKAY.

WHAT IS, I DON'T SEE A DETAIL TO THE BRACKET.

WHAT IS THE BRACKET? THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE SITE BUILT.

UH, I'M THINKING THE ONE THAT UH, I BUILT OVER UM, SHOEMAKERS THAT FRONT THERE, THE ELEVATION ALMOST LIKE IT'S TWO PIECES TOGETHER.

SAND LIKE WHAT I THINK WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR IS THAT, THAT THERE'S A DETAIL FOR THAT DETAIL.

I CAN BE MORE THAN HAPPY.

I THINK THAT WE, I THINK THAT THE ELEVATION, THAT'S SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ONE MORE.

UM, COULD THE ELEVATION BUT YOU UH, GENERALLY, LIKE SCALE WISE, WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE ELEVATION YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IF YOU WERE TO PROVIDE A YEAH.

WELL I THINK THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES, IF YOU GO THE ELEVATION OF IT, UM, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, WE GOT TWO DIFFERENT BRACKETS ON THE BUILDING.

WE'VE GOT THE ONES SO A LITTLE BIT LARGER FOR THE GARAGE THAN THE SIDE ONES.

I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME UP WITH A DETAIL FOR THAT.

THAT IS MY FAULT.

I SHOULD DETAILED THAT BETTER FOR YOU.

YEAH, I MEAN I I, THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS I THINK THAT ROOF NEEDS TO EXTEND, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING SECTION, THAT ROOF NEEDS TO HAVE AN OVERING OVER IT A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S WHICH ROOF? THE ROOF.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE TO THE LEFT, THE GARAGE WHERE IT SAYS GARAGE PLATE THERE, THAT ROOF JUST STOPS UP A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, IT STOPS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S NOT SHOWING.

IT NEEDS AN OVERHANG OVER THAT BRACKET.

YEAH, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT.

I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THE BEAM ON, I MEAN IT NEEDS TO EXTEND BEYOND THE ROOF.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, THEY, THEY SEEM TO STOP SHORT.

WHICH IN REALITY A BEAM NEEDS TO GO BEYOND THERE AND KIND OF SEE THE BEAM RIGHT THERE.

STOP SHORT OF THAT ROOF.

IT WOULD NEED TO EXTEND IT TO CARRY THAT LAST RAFTER PAT IT.

SO IT KIND OF, THE SHADOW'S HIDING IT.

BUT IT'S, IT'S SCALLOP.

IT'S A CURVE.

WELL I THINK AND THEN THE OTHER ELEVATION THAT HAS IT STOPS SHORT COULD GO INTO ANOTHER UH, UM, THE BOTTOM OF IT IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS ANOTHER ELEVATION DIDN'T HAVE THAT TO THE END.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO STICK OUT BEYOND IT.

SO BEYOND THE FACIAL BOARD, IT STICKS OUT TO, IT STICKS OUT BEYOND, HAS A PIECE OF CAT FLASHING ON TOP OF IT.

SO THAT PICKS UP THAT LAST GO BACK.

I THINK YOU JUST MISSED IT.

I CAN GO TO AN ELEVATION IF WE HAVE A SIDE.

GET THAT, UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOME READING GOING ON.

YOU SEE RIGHT THERE.

LOOK AT THAT ONE.

I MEAN IT STOPPED SHORT SO IT WOULDN'T PICK UP THAT LAST RAFTER.

THAT'S THAT LAST RAFTER HERE.

LOOK AT THE TOP ONE.

STOP AND FLUSH.

LOOK AT THE TOP ONE ON IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THIS ONE.

YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHORT.

THAT MIGHT BE RAFTING ERROR.

REV ERROR.

AND SO IT WILL BE THAT ONE OFF LOOKS LIKE IT DOES EXTEND.

SO I I THEY JUST NEED TO MATCH.

BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO UPDATE THAT.

UM, ON THE, THE, THE STAIRS ITSELF, DID YOU LOOK AT ALL THE LANDING? IT LOOKS SOMEONE CONCERN IT'S LONG.

UM, IT'S BELOW 12 FEET BETWEEN THE BOTTOMS, THE TOP VERY CLOSE TO 12 FEET.

I YEAH, I KNOW I'M JUST MY ORIGINAL DESIGN, I HAD IT GOING OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

THE CLIENT DID NOT WANT THAT.

THE CLIENT WANTED A STRAIGHT STAIR.

SO IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE ACTUALLY LOWERED AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANDED DIDN'T HAVE 12.

AND THEN I HAVE CMAS IN THERE THAT SAYS IF IT'S ABOVE 12 WE'LL GO THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE HAVE TO COME BACK FOR AN APPROVAL FOR A MODIFICATION ON THAT AND THE CONTRACTOR KNOWS THAT IF IT'S BUILT BEFORE WE

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SO IT IS 12, IT'S BELOW 12.

YEAH, I MEAN MY CONCERN IS, I MEAN I KNOW 12 IS CODE REQUIREMENTS, JUST SCALE OF IT JUST BEING SO LONG AND IF YOU LOOK AT DOING A LANDING, MAYBE TURNING IT, IT'S NOT AS LONG AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THE CLIENT, I CAN LEAD THEM LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT I CAN'T MAKE 'EM DRINK IT.

I GET IT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT? IN FACT, I THINK ONE OF THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS HAS IT.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE ORIGINAL PLANS WE SUBMITTED HAD IT.

I MEAN LONG, I, I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE SAW AT HPRC AND IT'S, IT'S A LOWER IN MY STEP A LITTLE BIT.

I DON'T DO A, A FULL HEIGHT STEP.

I DO LIKE A SIX AND A HALF.

YOU KNOW, I DO A LOWER LITTLE, I MEAN I THINK GIVEN IT'S SIDING ON THE, THE LOT AND THE CLIENT DESIRE FOR IT, I THINK IT'S ALRIGHT.

I MEAN IT'S A BIG EFFORT IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THIS.

BUT I'D BE MORE HAPPY TO REACH ALL IT IF YOU NEED ME TO.

I, I MEAN I THINK THE BRACKETS ARE THE IMPORTANT THING I'LL UP THERE.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE CAR GETTING IN THAT SECOND BAG.

SO SHOWING THAT THAT WORKS.

I'LL GET A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ACTUALLY DRAW THAT UP SO IT'S, I CAN DO IT.

IT'S AN EASY THING AS AN ARCHITECT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE CORRECTLY.

I'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN GET A, I'LL TRY MY BEST TO GET THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OUT THERE.

THIS ONE I WORK WITH, SO.

UH, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT LOST IN DISCUSSION THERE, BUT YOU STARTED BY SAYING THESE WEREN'T THE PLANS THAT YOU HAD SUBMITTED.

IS THAT, I THINK THE PLANS THAT WERE ATTACHED AT LATER PAGES WERE CORRECT.

IT'S JUST THE ONES THAT WE USED FOR ELEVATIONS LOOK LIKE THEY WEREN'T, 'CAUSE WE, ONE OF THE ISSUES DURING OUR CONCEPTUAL WAS ARCHITECTURAL, UH, PUTTING IN PREGNANT, PUTTING THAT LANGUAGE IN.

AND SO THE ONES THAT WERE SUBMITTAL FOR FINAL HAD THAT LANGUAGE IN IT.

CAN WE VERIFY THE DATE ON THE, ON WHAT WAS AT LEAST SENT OUT? 'CAUSE I MEAN WE ALL REVIEWED THESE FROM THE, SO IF HE SAW THE PDF DF THAT WAS SENT OUT, NOT NECESSARILY A SLIDESHOW.

IF IF IT'S THE ONE THAT'S ONLINE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.

OH, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT ONE, THEN I, AND ANYHOW, WE'RE GONNA BE SUBMITTING ONES TO BE APPROVED DURING A CONCEPTUAL MEETING AND SO, SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOST UPDATED AND WE COULD SAY OUR CONCERNS ARE THESE MAKE SURE THAT'S APPROVED.

FOR YOUR DIRECTION, I GUESS.

WELL, I THINK IF WE MAKE A MOTION AND IF IT'S TO APPROVE, THEN IT'S GOING TO STAFF REVIEW FROM THIS POINT.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE BACK FOR CONCEPTUAL UNLESS YOU MAKE SOME DRASTIC CHANGES TO IT.

UM, I MEAN I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN HIS COMMENTS AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE REVIEWED THE RIGHT THINGS ONLINE, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MOTION IF ANYBODY HAS ONE TO MAKE, IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS CREW BOARDS.

SORRY, ADDRESS QUO BOARDS.

UH, YEAH.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AROUND CORNER BOARDS? UM, YOU KNOW, I, MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THE UDO IN THE COMMENT IN THE SECTION ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT NOTES THE BEAD OR THE QUARTER ROUND INSET ALLOWS FOR RABBITED CORNERS.

UM, AND HE'S GOT RABBITED CORNERS THAT HAVE A THREE QUARTER INCH REVEAL ON THERE.

WHAT DOES THE ACTUAL HOUSE HAVE? THE THREE COURT? IT'S THE, YOU HAVE GOOD EYES FOR THAT ONE TOO? NO.

YEAH, WE CAN CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO MATCH EXISTING .

IT'S ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.

I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL IF YOU GUYS WOULD.

YEP.

SO HE'S GONNA WANT TO ACTUALLY BUILD EVERYTHING SITE BUILT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ? SORRY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL, THE, THE LOUVER VENTS, ARE THOSE ACTUAL LOUVERS OR, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SPRAY FOAM, BUT IT'S CALLED OUT AS LOUVERS OR IS THAT GONNA BE A FULL LOUVER? MOST LIKELY.

BUT THAT'S A WOOD LOUVER.

IT'LL ACTUALLY HAVE PLATES.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT APPLIED.

UH, THE PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, AND I'M GONNA PUSH WITH IS A FINISHED CARPENTER AND HAS A WHOLE SHOP.

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SO SHOW OFF HIM.

THAT'S GREAT.

I MEAN AS LONG, I THINK TIM'S CONCERN WOULD JUST BE THAT IT'S LIKE A PARTY LAP.

I THINK THERE HE CAN GO TO 13, SLIDE 13.

AND THEN WE HAD, I THINK THERE WAS ALSO AN ISSUE IT BEFORE WITH THIS BEING A FALSE WINDOW TOO.

UH, BUT IT WASN'T IN THE, I HAD AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK I MADE THAT COMMENT AND YOU HAD MORE OF THEM AND GIVEN ITS LOCATION AND OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THERE BEING, UM, FIXED SHUTTERS WITH OPERABLE HARDWARE AND, AND SHUTTER DOGS IN OLD TOWN AROUND OLD TOWN THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

A CONCERN ABOUT THE FIX SHUTTER.

I, I DON'T LIKE 'EM, BUT NOT HAVING IT THERE, HAVING, HAVING A SYMMETRY IS APPRECIATED.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE ARCHITECTURAL TERM.

AND I'LL FIX THAT SHAFT IN ERROR OR MODELING ERROR ON THIS BRACKETS.

I MEAN, ALONG WITH HAVING A BRACKET DETAIL ACTUALLY THOUGH, BUT THAT'S MY FAULT.

I'LL TAKE CREDIT STAB.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION? UM, MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO ADD, WHAT IS IT THAT ONE PIECE TO, TO MEET THE, THE BOARDS ABOVE THE, UH, THE DOOR ON THE TOP FLOOR? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

UM, WHY DON'T WE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE WE COULD JUST, UH, BACK INTO THIS.

SO WE DID TALK ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY PREVIOUSLY TO, UM, ALLOW TO SHOW THE RECONFIGURED DRIVEWAY AND THAT WILL BE A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW.

I'M PROBABLY NOT WORDING IT EXACTLY RIGHT FOR, UM, THE MOTION, BUT WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.

UM, AND WE COULD PROBABLY JUST LEAVE ONE THE WAY IT IS.

AND, UM, THIS WILL BE, UH, UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD FOR REVIEW BY STAFF AND I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE EVERYTHING HERE, ALL THESE CONDITIONS WILL BE STAFF LEVEL REVIEW.

THIS IS NOT GONNA NEED TO RETURN TO, UM, THE PRESERVATION COMMISSION.

CAN I ADD, UH, PER STAFF, UH, JUST GET IT REVIEWED BY A CONCEPTUAL MEETING.

WE DON'T MIND STICKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO JUST GO TO A CONCEPTUAL MEETING SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT AND BE APPROVED BY STAFF BASED ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.

UM, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, PERHAPS HAVING THE HPRC TAKE A LOOK AT THE REVISED.

YEAH, WE CAN.

I MEAN WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES THIS A LOT.

HAS IT BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THE MEMBERS OF THE HPRC AND THAT'S A PRETTY EASY EMAIL AROUND PROCESS.

WE USED TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO THAT MEETING, SO I'LL BE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDED TO SEE IT.

RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I MEAN, I, I AM HAPPY TO MAKE THE MOTION IF THAT'S EASIER.

UM, SO I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH THE STAFF.

UH, HERE, WELL, I, IN MY PAPERWORK IT'S NOTED TO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE TWO THE TOP RAIL.

UM, AND FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION THREE, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THE CORNER BOARDS BE LISTED AS TO MATCH EXISTING.

UM, AND THEN WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX INCLUDED.

AND TO PROVIDE THE BRACKET DETAIL.

UH, THE BRACKET.

YEAH, THE BRACKET DETAIL IS FIVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

MY NUMBERING IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR, IT, IT IS, I'M SORRY.

I I JUST ELIMINATED SOME THINGS.

AND NOW THE NUMBERING'S.

UM, SO, SO THE THREE HERE WOULD BE UPDATING AUTOMATICALLY WE'D BE, UH, TO MATCH THE HOUSE.

YEP.

THE SOFFIT MATERIAL.

KEEP THAT ONE.

UM, AND THEN THE BRACKET DETAIL IS THE ONE THAT IS MISSING FROM HERE.

THAT'S LISTED IN THE APPLICATION PACKET AS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FIVE.

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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

THE PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

NIGHT, UH, PUBLIC PROJECT REQUEST BY METERS INC ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF LOUGHTON FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR TO ALLOW THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SARAH RILEY HOOKS COTTAGE, A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE LOCATED AT 76TH BRIDGE STREET IN THE OLD TOWN OF LOUGHTON, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ZONE NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD GOOD THE EVENING, EVERYBODY.

I KNOW THAT WAS KIND OF A LONG PROJECT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH, IT WAS A HEALTHY DISCUSSION, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

ALRIGHT, UH, MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM FOR THE

[VIII.2. Public Project: A request by Meadors, Inc. on behalf of the Town of Bluffton for a recommendation to the UDO Administrator to allow the reconstruction of the Sarah Riley Hooks Cottage, a Contributing Resource, located at 76 Bridge Street, in the Old Town Bluffton Historic District and zoned Neighborhood General-HD (DP-10-24-019422) (Staff - Glen Umberger)]

UM, SO AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A PUBLIC PROJECT TONIGHT.

YOU'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING.

YOU ARE GOING TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, BUT WE ARE TAKING THAT APPROVAL WITH YOUR COMMENT.

SO TONIGHT YOU'RE JUST MAKING COMMENTS.

UM, LEMME TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT, UM, BEGINNING WITH WHERE THE LOCATION IS.

THIS IS NUMBER 76, UM, BRIDGE STREET.

UM, THE PU HOLE IS ACTUALLY 72, 74 AND 76 BRIDGE STREET.

UM, SO IT'S THOSE THREE LOTS ON THE NORTH END OF BRIDGE STREET.

UM, ZONING IS NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL.

UM, SINCE I AM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST, I THOUGHT I'D SHOW YOU SOME OLD PHOTOS.

UM, THIS IS A HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH FROM 2001, UH, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS OCCUPIED LAST, UM, 2008.

YOU'LL SEE A MINOR CHANGE IN THOSE SEVEN YEARS.

UM, CURRENT CONDITION, THIS WAS TAKEN LAST WEEK.

UM, THIS IS THE BEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

UM, 2002.

THE HOUSE WAS LEFT VACANT WHEN THE OWNER, WHEN THE FORMER OWNER, UM, PASSED AWAY, UM, 2008, WE DESIGNATED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL OLD TIME BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, IN DECEMBER, 2020, THE TOWN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, IN 2022, BEGINNING ACTUALLY IN 2021 INTO 2022.

UM, STAFF CONDUCTED PERIODIC INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH LED TO THIS BECOMING A STRATEGIC PLANNING ITEM, UM, FOR 2022.

UM, WHERE WE STARTED LOOKING AT FUTURE USE POSSIBILITIES.

UM, METS INC WAS CONTRACTED FOR A CONSISTENT ASSESSMENT.

UM, JANUARY 10TH, 2023, WE TOOK IT TO TOWN COUNCIL AT A WORKSHOP, UH, TO PRESENT THAT REPORT THAT METS PREPARED.

UM, CAN COUNSEL AT THAT TIME ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, ON COST ESTIMATES FOR THE PROJECT, UM, SOME OPTIONS, UM, REHABILITATION DEMO, ET CETERA.

UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE USED FOR PUBLIC USE.

UM, APRIL 18TH, 2023, WE TOOK IT BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL AT THE QUARTERLY CIP WORKSHOP, UM, AND DISCUSSED THE STRUCTURE AND THE MASTER PLAN OPTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT.

AND THEN IN, UH, LATER 2023 METS INC.

WAS, UH, CONTRACTED TO DO THE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING SERVICES AND THEN JK TILLER AND ASSOCIATES WERE CONTRACTED TO DO THE LANDSCAPE.

UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT MATTERS DID.

SO METS PLAN IS TO, UM, SAVE WHATEVER IS POSSIBLE IN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE TO BE REUSED LATER.

UM, ON THE LEFT HAND, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING, UM, CONFIGURATION OF THE HOUSE.

UM, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, UM, EVERYTHING IN RED IN ESSENCE WOULD GO AWAY.

EVERYTHING IN GRAY WOULD BE LEFT BEHIND TO BE REUSED.

UM, THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE TO THE, UM, BUILD A NEW VERSION OF THE HISTORIC COTTAGE.

THE CURRENT COTTAGE HAS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH TWO ADDITIONS OUT THE BACK.

THOSE BACK ADDITIONS WOULD ACTUALLY GO AWAY.

UM, AND THEN WE'D BE JUST CONCENTRATING ON THE CO THE HISTORIC CORE AGAIN, UM, AGAIN USING WHATEVER HISTORIC MATERIALS WE COULD, BUT IT BASICALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE IT DID BEFORE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY MEETING ALL CURRENT BUILDING CODE, UM, SITE ELEVATIONS, SHOWING A DA ACCESSIBILITY.

UM, AND THEN, UM, RECONSTRUCTED, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING.

UM, INTERIOR, UH, THIS WOULD BE WHAT THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AGAIN, JUST LIMITED TO THAT HISTORIC CORE.

UM, WE USE THE SAME REVIEW CRITERIA WE DO IN EVERYTHING ELSE WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN, IN ESSENCE CONSISTENCY WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.

UM, THE GUIDE GUIDELINES FOR REHABILITATING HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UM, THE PRINCIPLE SET FORTH IN THE OLD TOWN MASTER MASTER PLAN, THE GOAL SET IN THE BLUEPORT BLUFFTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

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UM, DOES THE PROJECT CONFORM TO PROVISIONS PROVIDED IN THE UDO UNDER ARTICLE FIVE? AND DOES IT DEMONSTRATE A COMPATIBLE VISUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SURROUNDINGS? UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT, UM, SECTION 3 18 5 B, UM, SINCE IT IS CONTRIBUTING AND IT WILL REMAIN CONTRIBUTING UNTIL TOWN COUNCIL SAYS OTHERWISE.

UM, THE DEMOLITION OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, UM, IS GENERALLY VIEWED TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE INTEGRITY AND THE STATUS OF OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THIS CASE.

BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THE RESOURCE, THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST, THE REPORT THAT MATTERS SUB SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THE EVIDENCE THAT DEMOLITION IS REQUIRED, THERE'S NO OTHER REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION EXISTS IN THIS PRESENT SITUATION.

UM, THE WORK PROPOSED SATISFIES THIS REQUIREMENT.

UM, OTHER NOTES AGAIN.

UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW STRUCTURAL WILL UTILIZE AS MUCH HISTORIC MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE.

AND AGAIN, THE SARAH RILEY HOOKS COTTAGE WILL REMAIN A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE OLD TOWN BLUFFTON HISTORIC DISTRICT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS TOWN COUNCIL DEEMS OTHERWISE.

UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC PROJECT.

YOUR, YOUR TASK TONIGHT IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE UDO EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, UM, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND THAT THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR DENY THE APPLICATION.

UM, BUT WITH THOSE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMMENTS, UM, TO THE UDO ADMINISTRATOR.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATIONIST? ANY QUESTIONS? AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE CURRENT HOUSE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, UTILIZE AT THIS POINT? IT APPEARS VERY LITTLE WILL BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.

UM, 5%, 10%, 2%.

UM, NOT A BETTING PERSON.

IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LESS THAN 5% BASED ON CURRENT CONDITION AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN SITTING FOR YEARS, FOR YEARS.

UM, AND IT WAS ALSO GOING THROUGH SEVERAL CYCLES OF BAD WEATHER RECENTLY.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE FAMILY OF RACCOON IS STILL RESIDENTS IN THE HOUSE OR NOT.

UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO TERMITES AND OTHER UNDERSTOOD DAMAGE.

UH, HOW MUCH ARE WE MAKING COMMENTARY ON NOW? THE ENTIRE PROJECT OR JUST THE DEMOLITION? THE, THE OVERALL CONTEXT.

SO YOU'RE COMMENTING ON THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN THE UDO ADMINISTRATORS, THE FINAL REVIEW.

THIS DOESN'T COME BACK TO US AT ANY POINT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE DRINKING FOUNTAINS? NO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WAS THERE ANY DIFFERENT PLAN SUBMITTED, BECAUSE I SWEAR I SAW ONE AHEAD FOR DRINKING NOVELS ON IT.

SO SAY THAT AGAIN.

FOUNTAINS ON THE OUTSIDE.

DID I SEE THAT? SO THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THEM.

UM, YOUR CON YOUR PURVIEW IS THE ACTUAL HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, RIGHT.

BUT I SWEAR THERE WAS A PLAN IN THERE THAT HAD DRINK FOUNTAINS ON THE OUTSIDE.

DID I SEE THAT DIFFERENTLY? AND IT HAD A METAL DOOR ON THE HALF OF 88.

THERE ISN'T.

THERE ARE, THERE ARE INTERIOR ELEVATIONS IN THERE.

I WHERE THERE WAS ANOTHER PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

THAT ONE MY CONCERNS IS THAT YEAH, IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION RIGHT THERE, THAT ONE, THAT ONE RIGHT THAT DOOR.

'CAUSE THAT GOES IN THE BATHROOM, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S A PUBLIC BATHROOM.

THERE WAS A METAL, I I THOUGHT I SAW LIKE A METAL FLUSH DOOR ON THAT ONE AND HAD A DRINK OUT NEXT TO IT.

DID I IMAGINE THAT? UH, SO IN IN PLAN THERE IS A HIGH LOW WATER FOUNTAIN ON THAT WALL TO THE LEFT OF THE DOOR.

UM, NOT THAT PLAN IN THE, BUT IT ALSO, ALSO THE ELEVATION.

IT ISN'T ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PLANS TO SHOW THE THE DOOR WAS A METAL FLUSH DOOR.

THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY COMMENT.

THAT'S NOT, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S THERE, WHICH IS A .

THAT FLOOR PLAN LOOKS A LITTLE BIT, WE'VE GOT AN INSWING DOOR INTO THE BATHROOM.

THE OUTSIDE BATHROOM ON THE PLAN THAT YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT.

IT JUST LOOKS, I THINK THAT'S MARKED FLUSH.

I MEAN THIS PLAN IS GREAT AND THE ELEVATION LOOK GREAT.

IT ISN'T DIFFERENT.

I REMEMBER SEEING DIFFERENT.

IT IS A VERY DETAILED SET.

THAT IS FOR SURE.

DO YOU WANNA FLIP THROUGH? YEAH, I SWEAR THERE WAS A DRINK ECHO BEFORE HPRC.

UH, IT CAME BEFORE HPRC.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD VERY OH NO, IT CAME THROUGH DRC AS PART OF, WE ALSO HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGER BRIAN OSBORNE HERE IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOORS.

YEAH, I MEAN, RIGHT HERE THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF DRINKING FOUNTAINS.

IS THAT, THAT'S NOT ON THE OUTSIDE.

AND THEN THE DOOR.

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I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY THE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A HIGH LOW, BUT WHY WAS THERE ONE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THERE'S ALSO ONE ON THE INSIDE.

IS THIS MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT DRINKING, BUT ON THE OUTSIDE THIS, ON THE INSIDE THIS, THIS PLAN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.

A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT DRINKING FOUNTAIN SHOWN OUT ON THE DECK ON THE EXTERIOR DECK IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THOSE BEING OUT THERE.

I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LARGER SITE PLAN, UM, IT'S PART OF THE BRIDGE STREET IMPROVEMENT THAT INCLUDES A FOOT BRIDGE OVER THE UH, COVE AND THEN A LITTLE SIDEWALK THAT COMES IN AND TRAVERSES THE PROPERTY AND IS A PARK.

SO OUTDOOR WATER FOUNTAINS MAKE SENSE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU WANNA LIKE LOCK RIGHT THE BUILDING DOWN AND STILL HAVE WATER FOUNTAIN AMENITIES FOR THAT PARK.

MY CONCERN WAS LESS LEFT BETWEEN, DOWN MORE ABOUT MIDDLE DOOR WAS ON ELEVATION.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FLUSH METAL THAT WHAT THIS IS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S ON THERE, WHICH IS A FIVE PANEL, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE DOORS ARE FIVE PANELS.

SO THE QUESTION IS MAYBE MR. OSBORNE CAN VERIFY IF THE EXTERIOR DOOR DOORS BACK THERE ARE FLUSH OR IF THEY'RE FIVE PANEL TO MATCH WHAT'S OKAY OUT THERE.

THAT WAS SAME QUESTION.

I MEAN, I PREFER TO VIEW THIS STORE QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING A COUPLE OF MORE MODERN CONSTRUCTION THINGS THAT I THINK YOU PROBABLY HAD GOOD REASONS FOR, BUT ONE OF THEM WAS IT'S ON A SLAB FOUNDATION.

WITH THEM PER RATHER THAN DOING MORE OF A TRADITIONAL FLOOR.

COULD YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT? BRIAN? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT? WHAT IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK VISUALLY FROM THE OUTSIDE IT'S GONNA LOOK NO, FOR ALL INTENTS IS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

THE EXTERIOR LOOK WILL LOOK YEAH.

YOU KNOW, MORE HISTORIC.

SO WE'VE ACHIEVED THAT GOAL AND THEN IT'S KIND OF TOO LOW TO THE GROUND TO REALLY DO THE MOVE THE MORE TRADITIONAL FLOOR.

'CAUSE YOU'LL RUN INTO ALL THE ISSUES THAT IT HAS NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND UH, THE FIBER CEMENT SIDING WAS A LITTLE BAG.

IS THAT GONNA BE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL THICK MM-HMM .

FIBER CEMENT RATHER THAN THE THIN HARDY.

YES.

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE IT.

IT'S A, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA NO, THE DOOR.

THE DOOR.

WHAT NEXT TO THE, WELL THE FOUNTAIN.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE FOUNTAIN WAS.

IT WASN'T, DIDN'T, I'LL VERIFY THAT DOOR FOR YOU.

UH, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WAS THE, UM, SOFFITS LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE PLYWOOD.

I KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A PART OF THE, AND MAYBE I MISREAD THE DRAWING, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE EXISTING, WE APPROVED FOR THE EXISTING HOUSES LIKE THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU NEEDED A WEIGH IN FROM US ON THAT MATERIAL.

WE WILL LOOK AT THE SOFFIT MATERIAL.

THE, IF THE SOFFIT MATERIAL BEHIND THE RAISED, THEY, THE EXPOSED IS THE PLYWOOD OR NOT? ARE YOU READING THAT THE SAME WAY? I DON'T SEE ANY, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST BUREAU'S NOT QUITE ON IT.

UM, OR .

HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, IS NOT THE INTENT.

IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE INTENT.

AND THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

SO I MEAN, JUST THAT IS KIND OF IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE UDL, BUT WE'VE ALLOWED IT BEFORE.

'CAUSE THERE ARE HOUSES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

NOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING CONDITION LIKE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? UH, WITH SOMEBODY? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, IF I, I NEED TO SEE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

I'VE GOT THAT LISTED HERE.

I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST MAKING COMMENTS.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO RAISE, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE UD ADMINISTRATOR.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE PROJECT DEMOLITION OF THE SANTA HOOKS RILEY COTTAGE ATTRIBUTED RESOURCE TO A NEW CONSTRUCT, UH, CONSTRUCT A NEW STRUCTURE USING MUCH AS MUCH STORED MATERIALS AS POSSIBLE ON THE SITE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND?

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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT IS THE STAFF APPROVALS OR THE HISTORIC MONTH.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

UM, AND OUR FINAL

[IX.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]

HISTORIC DISTRICT, DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.

AND I'M JUST GETTING TO THE RIGHT SCREEN.

SCROLL DOWN, NOT PULLED UP HERE.

THERE WE GO.

SO SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WE HAVE, WE HAVE APPROVED SEVERAL SITE FEATURE, UM, PERMITS.

UM, 30 GEORGE AVENUE IS A RESIDENTIAL REROOF 70 BOUNDARY STREET, WHICH IS THE HAYWARD HOUSE.

UM, THEY BEGAN A PROJECT THAT WAS BEING PARTIALLY FUNDED BY A TOWN OF BLUFFTON HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT.

UM, THEY'RE REPLACING SHUTTERS AND DOING SOME OTHER EXTERIOR REPAIRS TO THE HOUSE.

UH, 81 CALHOUN STREET IS A COMMERCIAL, UM, ADDITION OF A CONCRETE WALKWAY.

UH, NUMBER 2 0 6 BLUFFTON ROAD.

UNIT 2 0 1, UM, IS A SIGN PERMIT.

AND NUMBER 10, ROBERTSON STREET WAS THE FIRST ZION MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.

THEY WILL BE INSTALLING A SOUTH CAROLINA STATE HISTORICAL MARKER IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH.

UM, THE UNVEILING WILL BE ON SATURDAY, MARCH 15TH AT 12 NOON.

UM, YOU ALL SHOULD BE GETTING AN INVITATION FOR THAT EVENT, BUT PUT THAT ON YOUR SAVE THE DATE CALENDAR FOR, UM, MARCH 15TH, UM, FOR THAT NEW SOUTH CAROLINA STATE HISTORICAL MARKER.

UM, WE ALSO UNVEILED THE NEW WELCOME CENTER AT THE SQUARE OAK CARRIAGE HOUSE THIS PAST MONDAY.

UM, IF YOU HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE HOUSE AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO SO ON A PRIVATE CURATED TOUR WITH YOURS, TRULY PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO GO IN ON YOUR OWN AND SEE WHAT THE TOWN DID OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, UM, ON THAT PUBLIC PROJECT.