Feb 04, 2025 Hilton Head Town Council

[1. Call to Order]

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FOR 3025 ORDER. IF YOU WILL JOIN ME IN STANDING AND TAKING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICA DELIVERED FOLLOWING THE STS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

IF YOU'LL CONTINUE STANDING AND WE'LL HAVE PASTOR MICHAEL CARTER COME UP AND CERTIFICATION FROM CENTRAL CHURCH. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

LET'S PRAY PROCESS. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU BRING INTO OUR WE THANK YOU FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU LORD FOR THE SACRED TRUST GOVERNMENT THE PRIVILEGE OF LEADERSHIP AND THE HONOR AND THE DUTY OF STEWARDSHIP. I ASK THAT YOUR HAND BE UPON OUR LEADERS AND OUR GOVERNMENT AND THAT YOU BLESS THE STEWARDSHIP WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AND THAT YOU'D HELP US TO REMEMBER WHAT A BLESSING IS TO BE GIVEN SUCH A GREAT TOOL TO WORK WITH WITH SO MANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE. I ASK GOD THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR LEADERSHIP RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME THAT THEY WOULD SENSE THE YOUR HAND UPON THEIR LIVES.

THEY DO WHAT THEY DO FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY. WITH ALL THINGS IN CHRIST NAME AMEN. AMEN. MR. LEONARD, WE HAVE MANY

[4. Adoption of the Agenda]

[5. Approval of the Minutes]

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? COME ON, LET'S GO THE FIRST AND THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES. I NOTICED ON THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 14TH THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SECTIONS THAT WERE MISSING THE QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DETAIL QUESTIONS IN MOST OF THEM EXCEPT FOR A TEXT AND THEY ANY ANY OR THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CORRECTIONS YOU WISH TO MAKE OR JUST WANT US TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT? I'D SAY GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK. OKAY.

SO THEN WILSON THAT WENT BACK TO THEIR MOTION TO ACCEPT OR TO AMEND THE MOTION BEFORE MOVING TO MAKE IT SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND TO APPROVE ONLY THE JANUARY 9 MINUTES. YES. TO THE APPROVAL OF THE JANUARY 9 MINUTES. SPEAKER YOU WOULD NEED A SECOND, THIRD AND A SECOND TIME. SO I'VE GOT A FIRST AND SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OTHERS

[6. Reports from Members of Town Council]

I'M GOING TO ASK MR. SHAWN COLEMAN TO RECAP THE DISCUSSION DURING THAT MEETING.

SO MR. CARLIN, IF YOU'LL COME UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL TOWN MANAGER SHAWN HOMELESS AND TOWN MANAGER I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE MEETING ATTENDED AND FROM THE MAYOR OR TOWN MANAGER MARK ORLANDO COUNCILMAN ALEX BROWN COUNCILMAN STEVE BEST THEM MYSELF. WE'VE GOT THE OTHER MEETING ATTENDEES LISTED DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM BUT WE DID MEET WITH OUR CDO DUTY LEADERSHIP INCLUDING SECRETARY POWER POWELL AND OUR PARTNERS AT BEAUFORT TO INCLUDE THEIR ADMINISTRATOR, COUNCIL CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND THE PROJECT MANAGER.

THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS TO GO UP AN INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH BOTH TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL AND TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BY BOTH TOWN COUNTY COUNCIL AND THEIR RESPECTIVE WORKSHOPS EARLIER IN JANUARY. JIM IF WE CAN SCROLL DOWN BIT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THERE'S 11 DIFFERENT POINTS IN THIS SUMMARY AND WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THIS AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AS IT WASN'T PART OF THE PACKAGE WE CAN MAKE A PART OF OUR WEBSITE AFTER THE MEETING BUT WHEN BEGAN THE DISCUSSION WITH CDOT THEY LET OFF AND AND OUTLINED SIX DIFFERENT OPTIONS POTENTIAL OPTIONS TO ADVANCE A PROJECT OR THE WAY PARKWAY GATEWAY CORRIDOR. AND I'LL WALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AND I'VE GOT SOME GRAPHICS THAT I'LL PULL UP AS WE GET QUESTIONS.

BUT OPTION ONE AND WITH AN ANTICIPATED COST UNLESS I GET HUNG UP TOO MUCH ON THAT JUST ARE BALLPARKS AROUND $258 MILLION THEY WERE CALLING A LIFELINE OPTION THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE MULTI-USE BIKE AND PAD PATH ON THE BRIDGES BUT IT WOULD BE A THREE LANE BRIDGE

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WE DID ASK BECAUSE THE QUESTION CAME UP DURING THE TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP ABOUT THE ORIGINAL PROJECT BEING SOMEWHERE IN THE $500 MILLION OF ALTERNATE $8 MILLION AND THEN THIS PROJECT THIS COST BEING MORE THAN HALF OF THAT AND IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE HALF THE PROJECT AT LEAST HALF THE BRIDGE. THERE ARE OTHER COSTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN OVERALL PROJECT DELIVERY AND SO HALF OF THE BRIDGE DOES NOT MEAN HALF OF THE COST OF THE FULL BRIDGE . THERE'S ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH WITH DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERING UTILITY RELOCATION AND AND MOBILIZATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL COST OF THE PROJECT NOT JUST THE COST OF MATERIALS TAXING YOU. SO THAT WAS OPTION ONE. SO EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'LL BE REPLACING THE EASTBOUND LANES WITH A NEW BRIDGE DRIVE TO TWO LANES FOR THREE BUT TRY TO DO THE BUILDING ABILITY TO CARRY TWO LANES EACH DIRECTION ON THE WESTBOUND ONE WHEN THE WESTBOUND BRIDGE IS. OPTION TWO WAS BASICALLY THE SAME LIFELINE OPTION TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE BUT TO INCLUDE THE MULTI-USE PATHWAY THAT INCREASED THE PROJECT SCOPE TO APPROXIMATELY $320 MILLION. THERE IS AN OPTION THREE WHICH AGAIN THEY CALL THEM THEY CALL THESE LIFELINES DO NOT INCLUDE A MULTI-USE PATHWAY BUT IT WOULD BE A FULL THREE LANE SECTION FROM MAULES CREEK. THE ALL THE WAY THROUGH SPANISH WELLS ROAD SO THAT WOULD ADDRESS EASTBOUND LANES FOR THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PROJECT.

THAT OPTION WAS ESTIMATED ABOUT $274 MILLION. OPTION FOUR IS THAT SAME THE TREATMENT OF THREE LANES OF CREEK ALL THE WAY THROUGH SPANISH WELLS BUT ALSO INCLUDES THE BIKE AND PAD MULTI-USE PATHWAY AT A COST OF APPROXIMATELY $340 MILLION.

OPTION FIVE I SHOULDN'T SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THAT WAS A FULL AND THEY HAVE A COST IN THERE ABOUT $467 MILLION AND THEN OPTION SIX WOULD BE IF IF NCDOT IS COMES POINT WHERE THEY JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACEMENT OF THE EASTBOUND MAKIN CREEK BRIDGE THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION SIX SO WOULD BE ONE OF THE FOUR BRIDGE AND REPLACEMENTS AND THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 80 SO $88,000,000.80 $9 MILLION. WE DID ASK ABOUT CONSTRUCT ABILITY AND NOT JUST THE COST BUT WHAT DOES WHAT DO THESE OPTIONS FROM THE TIME FRAME? HOW ARE THEY IMPACTED FROM THE CONSTRUCT ABILITY STANDPOINT? IMAGINE THAT OPTION THREE OR FOUR DUE TO THE INCREASED EXTEND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE STONEY COMMUNITY THROUGH SPANISH WELLS ROAD ARE LIKELY TO TAKE LONGER. THEY MENTIONED THAT BRIDGE BRIDGE IN ISOLATION TYPICALLY MOVE THROUGH AND ARE CONSTRUCTED AT A FASTER PACE.

THEY DID ALSO MENTION THAT ANY FUTURE PROJECTS COULD BE COORDINATED THROUGH OUR PLANNING ORGANIZATION THE LOWCOUNTRY AREA TRANSPORTATION STUDY WHICH SERVES AS THE REGIONAL BODY TO MAKE TO DEVELOP A LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN OUR REGION AND TO PROGRAM PROJECTS FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. NUMBER TWO WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL APPROACHES TO DELIVER THE PROJECT AND. NCDOT MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING A DESIGN BUILD DESIGN BUILD OPTION MAY HELP WITH WITH FINDING ECONOMIES AND TO DELIVER BETTER PRICING THE DESIGN BUILD ONE WOULD CONSIDER DESIGN ALTERNATIVE INCLUDING THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN MULTI-USE CONNECTIONS AND THROUGH THAT DESIGN AND BUILD PROCESS YOU'D BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THROUGH BIDDING THE REAL PRICING AND THEN WHAT SPECIFIC OPTIONS COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT STARTED AT THE 247 TO $245 MILLION AND IT WAS UP 466 ON

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QUESTION UTILITY, RELOCATION AND FUNDING. THEY MENTIONED THAT UTILITY RELOCATION IS A REQUIREMENT UNDER THE UTILITY RELOCATE RELOCATION ACT IN SOUTH CAROLINA CODE ACT SIX AND IS CAPPED AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PROJECT AND THEY WOULD COVER THE COSTS OF UTILITY RELOCATION UNDER THAT PROVISION AND THAT THE BALANCE OF UTILITY RELOCATION COULD COME FROM THE LOCAL FUND PORTION OF THE PROJECT OF THAT FUNDING SOURCE AND THEN MOVED ON. MOVING ON TO PINCKNEY ISLAND AND THE SKULL CREEK BRIDGES THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE THE NEW EASTBOUND BRIDGE OPTION ONE WAS SELECTED ABOUT IT LANDING ON PINCKNEY ISLAND TO HELP WITH WITH COST AND AND LOGISTICS OF MOVING TRAFFIC.

THE PREFERENCE IS FROM D.O.T. TO BUILD A NEW EASTBOUND BRIDGE TO BE ELEVATED OVER PINCKNEY ISLAND TOUCHING DOWN ON PINCKNEY ISLAND WOULD INCREASE COSTS REDUCE SAFETY BY HAVING AGGREGATE MOVEMENTS AND THEN AS PART OF THE EAA AND WITH MY COUNTERPART THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE HAS A PROGRAM GOALS AND ONE OF THEIR PROGRAM GOALS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS TO MITIGATE THAT AT GREAT INTERSECTION. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THOSE DOCUMENTS SO CREATE BRIDGE SUBSTRUCTURE AND THIS THIS ONE REGARDLESS OF THE OPTION SELECTED MAKES A REALLY OPTION FIVE OR SIX WHICH IS THE FULL BRIDGE THE FULL PROJECT AT HUNDRED AND 67 MILLION OR NCDOT JUST DOING THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE WEST OR THE WESTBOUND BRIDGE SPAN. THE EXISTING SUBSTRUCTURE FOR THE HIGH BRIDGE IS, THE TWO BRIDGES THAT GO OVER SKULL CREEK.

THEY'RE SUPPORTED BY ONE SUBSTRUCTURE. SO THERE'S TWO DECKS THERE SLIGHTLY SEPARATED BUT THE TWO DECKS SIT ON ONE SUBSTRUCTURE. SO THE EASTBOUND DECK MUST REMAIN IF THE WESTBOUND DECK REMAINS AND UNDER MOST OF THESE OPTIONS THE WESTBOUND DECK REMAINS AS WE DID TALK WITH CDOT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE EASTBOUND BY MAINTAINING THE EASTBOUND LANES ABOUT PROVIDING ACCESS FROM JENKINS ISLAND TO PINCKNEY ISLAND USING THAT FACILITY BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT YOU'D HAVE THE EXISTING HIGH BRIDGES OVER OVER SKULL AND ON THE NEW EASTBOUND BRIDGE PARALLEL THAT WE ASKED ABOUT ON ISLAND GRADE SEPARATIONS AND RELOCATION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SQUIRE POPE ROAD AND SPANISH WELLS ROAD THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND GRADE SEPARATION THERE WAS CONCERN AND THE RESPONSE WAS THAT TO TO IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE MULTIPLE RESIDENTIAL RELOCATIONS AND THAT WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE COST IN THEIR OPINION TO EXECUTE. THEY INDICATED THAT HARBOR SIGNAL WILL REMAIN AS PART

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QUESTIONS ABOUT MITIGATION ELEMENTS AND COMMUNITY IMPACT COSTS FOR THE STONY COMMUNITY MITIGATION WOULD ONLY BE FUNDED WITHIN THE PROJECT IF THE PROJECT EXTENDS INTO THE STONY AREA. SO IF OPTION THREE OR FOUR IS SELECTED, THE FUNDING COMMITTED FOR THE MITIGATION AS OUTLINED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD BE INCLUDED.

THE FUNDING WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED UNDER THE OTHER OPTIONS PROJECT TIMING SO TIMEFRAME FOR PROJECT CHANGES. SO WE ASKED IF YOU KNOW ARE THE NEXT STEPS IF THERE IS A DECISION HOW LONG UNTIL YOU GET TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION AND HOW LONG TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT SO THEY ANTICIPATE IN ABOUT A SIX PLUS OR MINUS SIX MONTH PERIOD TO UPDATE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS ONCE TOWN COUNCIL AND COUNTY COUNCIL AGREE TO A PATH AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NCDOT AND FEDERAL HIGHWAYS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT SIX MONTHS PLUS OR MINUS UPDATE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY WERE APPROXIMATELY 14 MONTHS UNDER THEIR ESTIMATION RIGHT OF WAY PHASE ANOTHER 12 MONTHS OR A YEAR AND SO THAT RIGHT THERE IS 32 MONTHS AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION SPAN 2 TO 3 YEARS 24 TO 36 MONTHS SO TWO AND A HALF YEARS TWO MONTHS TO GET TO A PROJECT AND THEN BEYOND THAT ANOTHER 2 TO 3 YEARS FOR A CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND DEPENDING ON OPTION SELECTED PROJECT COORDINATION AND SCOPE IT WAS A IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE MEETING THE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE PARTIES WAS WELCOMED AND AS CDOT EMPHASIZED NEED TO CONTINUE THOSE COORDINATED EFFORTS. THEY SAID THEY THEY LET US KNOW THAT THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO MEET WITH US TO LET US KNOW ABOUT OUR ACTIONS AND ACTIVITIES AS WE WENT THROUGH UNTIL WE UNTIL WE WERE READY TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THE CIB FROM A POSITION JOINTLY FROM THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND KEEP THEM IN LOOP. THEY ALSO SUGGESTED A JOINT RESOLUTION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY APPROVING PROJECT SCOPE AND THE FUNDING STRATEGY ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WELL THEN SUGGESTED THAT TO RESOLVE THE CONCERNS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK WITH THE INFORMATION THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK CAN EVALUATE, ASSESS AND MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION AS SO THE STEPS FORWARD TOWN AND COUNTY CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS REACH AN AGREED UPON POSITION A JOINT RESOLUTION APPROVED BY BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. THE CIB WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE DELIVERED IN ADVANCE OF THAT MARCH 31ST DEADLINE. THAT AGREEMENT WOULD PROVIDE CLARITY TO US OUT OF OUR COLLECTIVE POSITION AND THEN BEYOND THAT BEAUFORT COUNTY WOULD NEED TO REVISE ITS INTER-GOVERNMENTAL GOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SAID THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM ON THE CURRENT GRANT GRANT AWARD AS WELL AS ITS AGREEMENT WITH US FOR PROJECT PROJECT SCOPE I THANK YOU. WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY OF HAVING A JOINT MEETING AS WE THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. CAN YOU DISCUSS THAT? THERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE IN THIS JOINT MEETING I JUST PUT IT ON HERE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.

SO BEAUFORT THERE WAS A MEETING OF VIEW FOR COUNTY COUNCIL OF UTAH COUNTY COUNCIL YESTERDAY WHERE THEY PROVIDED THE SAME INFORMATION. I PROVIDED THE TOWN COUNCIL TODAY AT THAT MEETING THERE WAS A SUGGESTION MADE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH BOTH COUNTY TOWN OF LONG ISLAND TOWN COUNCIL THE MEETING IS THE DETAILS ARE UP HERE WEDNESDAY 12 SO IT'S A WEEK FROM TOMORROW 5 TO 8 P.M. AND THE LOCATION IS BUCKWALTER RECREATION CENTER IT'S ON BUCKWALTER PLACE DRIVE A COPTER PARKWAY RATHER IN FRONT OF ME AND A FIVE BATHROOMN

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THANK YOU. SO I'M NOT GOING TO REALLY OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS NOW BECAUSE WE'LL BE DOING THAT NEXT WEDNESDAY WHICH IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING EVERYTHING FORWARD FRONT OF BOTH COUNCILS AND THE COMMUNITY. SO SHAWN, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'VE GOT TWO OTHER QUICK GENERAL REPORTS ONE WANT TO WISH ALEX BROWN HAPPY BIRTHDAY HIS BIRTHDAY ON SUNDAY AND THEN DON'T PLEASE DON'T FORGET THAT ON FEBRUARY 26 AND 27 WE'LL BE HAVING OUR WORKSHOPS OR STRATEGIC ACTION WORKSHOPS AT THE SO ANY OTHER GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS OR A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MLK COMMITTEE EXCELLENT WALK AND ALSO PROGRAM AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

I ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO PUT THAT ON THEIR CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR ESPECIALLY TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE AND I REALLY WANT TO POINT OUT INVOLVEMENT OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY INCLUDING AN M.C. FOR THE EVENT SO I WANT TO CONGRATULATE AND ESPECIALLY FOR INVOLVING YOUNG PEOPLE ALSO THIS IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND IS HAVING A GALA CELEBRATION ALL DURING THE MONTH. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES INCLUDING AN ART EXHIBITION, ALSO GOSPEL SERIES ,SEVERAL CHURCHES AND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. I HOPE THAT WE'RE ALERTING FOLKS TO THESE VARIOUS EVENTS AND ALSO I WANT TO CONGRATULATE MITCHELL MITCHELL FREEDOM PARK I THINK I SAW MRS. PETERSON COME IN FOR A FREEDOM DAY ON SATURDAY WITH A WONDERFUL SPEAKER ABOUT A BOOK ABOUT TO COME BY REVEREND AND ALSO SCULPTOR.

THERE'S A TRAVELING HARRIET TUBMAN SCULPTURE SCULPTURE AT HISTORIC BENTONVILLE FREEDOM PARK AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO HASN'T BEEN OUT THERE TO SEE THAT.

BUT THE SCULPTOR WAS THERE ON SATURDAY TO TALK ABOUT THE INSPIRATION FOR THE SCULPTURE.

SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT AND THANKS TO HISTORIC MITCHELL OF FREEDOM PARK FOR THAT SPECIAL EVENT ON SATURDAY IT'S BIGGER IT'S MORE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT MORE THAN A REPORT. I JUST WANT TO REMIND ANYONE WHO COMES TO OUR TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS TO SIGN UP SPEAK EVEN IF YOUR INTENTION IS NOT TO SPEAK SO THAT IF YOU MIGHT HEAR SOMETHING DURING THE MEETING THAT MAKES YOU THINK OF SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US OR GIVE US FEEDBACK YOU HAVE SIGNED UP AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY SO THAT'S MY PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK AND YOU CAN ALWAYS PASS IF IT DOESN'T MOVE YOU TO STAND UP. THANK YOU.

[7. Presentations and Recognitions]

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IT WENT THROUGH A PROCESS THERE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT APPRAISALS THE TOWN COUNCIL HAD ASKED OF THE COMMITTEE IF THEY WOULD LOOK AT A THIRD APPRAISAL TO SEE IF THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY. THEY HAVE DONE THEIR DUE AND THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY AN EXACT AMOUNT BUT IT WAS CONSIDERED AT THE NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL YESTERDAY . IT WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING OF THE FULL COUNTY COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING POSITIVE WILL COME ABOUT THAT TO PROVIDE THE TOWN WITH SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

ALSO THE BEACH CITY ROAD TRACK WHICH I BELIEVE IS A 1.9 ACRE TRACT THERE WAS AN ASK FOR A QUARTER OF A DOLLARS FOR THAT PARTICULAR TRACT WHICH YOU HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED FOR REIMBURSED AND THAT ALSO RECEIVED THE FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GREENSPACE. I'M GOING FORWARD AND AS YOU ALREADY KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL TRACTS ACROSS FROM THE CRAZY CRAB WHERE YOU HAD PURCHASED LAND AND THOSE WERE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT WERE UP THE SHELF THOSE WHEN I THINK THOSE ARE IN JUST ABOUT TO CLOSE SO THAT'S ANOTHER POSITIVE ITEM. THE TOWN HAS BEEN VISIONARY AND YOU HAVE HAD A LAND BUYING PROGRAM FOR DECADES AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE ARE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT HAS A LAND BUYING PROGRAM TO YOUR CREDIT AND THAT IS TO BE EMULATED BY OTHER SECTIONS OF MUNICIPALITIES IN BUTTE COUNTY. SO WELL DONE AND IF YOU TUNE IN TO THE FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE A VERY POSITIVE OUTCOME COME OUT OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S MY REPORT. MR. BERRY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[8.a. Consideration of an Ordinance of the Town of Hilton Head Island Granting Easements to South Island Public Service Districts for Infrastructure Installation - Second Reading - Shawn Colin, Assistant Town Manager]

MR. COLE WILL BE PRESENTING THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND GRANTING EASEMENTS TO THE SOUTH ISLAND PUBLIC SERVICE DISTRICT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED ON THE FIRST READING AT OUR MEETING ON JANUARY 14TH.

THANK YOU MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL TOWN MANAGER SEAN COMBS I'M HAPPY TO BE UP HERE AGAIN ON THIS. JUST FOR A REFRESHER I DID PRESENT THIS ON THE AGENDA DURING THE JANUARY MEETING IT WAS ENDORSED BY OUR IMPROVEMENT TOWN COUNCIL AT ABOUT 6 TO 1 BUT THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THAT MEETING.

AND SO LET ME MOVE FORWARD TO ADDRESS THAT AT THIS TIME. KIM, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT SO ON JANUARY 14 TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIRST READING BUT ASKED FOR THE TREE REMOVAL MITIGATION PLANS FOR THE TOWN PROPERTY IMPACTED PRIMARILY IN CITIES ACROSS THE WEST FOR DRIVE HERE WHERE AN EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCH EXISTS AND WHERE THE WATER LINE FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF WATER FOR THE SOUTH THE ISLAND WOULD BE CONVEYED. THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST TO LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD TO ASK THE PSC ON THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD. THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY TO RATHER THAN TRENCHING TO LOOK AT WAYS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT IMPACTED BY THAT BY THAT ACTIVITY. AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST PULL UP THE ATTACHMENT.

SO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS OUTLINES THE TREES THAT IMPACTED THOSE TREES THAT ARE THOSE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN ARE THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED PART OF THIS PROJECT YOU CAN SEE A DESCRIPTION ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE'S NUMBERS LISTED ONE THROUGH 20 OTHERS TWO BLANKS. THERE'S 23 TREES THAT ARE IMPACTED OR WILL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT NOT IMPACT BUT REMOVED. YOU CAN SEE THE SIZE AND SPECIES OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE OUTLINED AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT ALL OF THE TREES THERE ARE ONLY FOUR OAKS LISTED ON THE ON THE LIST ONE IS DISEASE AND THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE A SIGNIFICANT A 2020 INCH DIAMETER BRUSH. SO BASICALLY WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT IT SO THAT WHERE THOSE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE PART OF THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN OF THE PROJECT BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE REPLANTING THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD FOR THIS OPERATION LEAST IMPACTFUL THE TREES PART OF THE BSD IS THE OPEN THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO GET IN TO DO THE BORING OPERATION. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AS THEY MOVED AROUND THE ISLAND LENGTH OF THAT BORING OPERATION IN THEIR ESTIMATION THE BORING WOULD IMPACT AND WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT AND REQUIRE MORE TREES TO BE REMOVED AS PART

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BUT THIS IS THE MITIGATION STRATEGY FOR THE 14 OAK TREES THAT WOULD BE REPLANTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AND SO THOSE WOULD BE CONDITIONS OF THE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED THOSE WOULD BE THE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE BE PART OF THE PERMIT.

WE HAVE CONVEYED THIS INFORMATION WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH SOUTH ISLAND ESD AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADVANCE SECOND READING SECOND FINAL READING FOR THESE FOUR EASEMENTS.

SO FOR THE SOUTH S.D. UTILITY RELOCATION PROJECT AND I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT NEW HELMET ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE STATES.

ANYONE WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT MUST FILL OUT A FORM PRIOR TO THE MEETING KIM HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ATTACHED TO IT YET IT SAYS AN AGENDA ITEM SO I'M NOT SURE MEGAN FITZPATRICK THAT ON ON THESE STREET THIS IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT AGENDA OKAY WITH WE DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WHICH AGENDA ITEM IT HAS TO BE ONE. OKAY THANK YOU. AND THEN NO THANK YOU ON ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS PRICING? YES, I THINK I WAS THE ONE ASKING TO SEE THE MITIGATION PLAN SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ACTUALLY LET ME LET ME TAKE IT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S A MOTION I'M OVERGROWN. SECONDLY, OKAY, WE'VE GOT A FIRST 1/2 NOW WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION. THANK YOU.

SINCE I REWIND THE TAPE ANYWAYS I WANT TO ASK ABOUT MITIGATION PLANS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVIDING THAT AND THE DETAIL ON THE LOCATION OF THE TREES BEING REMOVED.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. DO YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE LASER THINGS TO POINT OUT NUMBERS AS I'M ASKING ABOUT THEM I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT BUT THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE REMOVAL AND THE PRE-PLANNING YEAH.

ASK YOU SOME PARTICULAR YOU WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT THE OAK TREES ARE BEING REMOVED SO AS I UNDERSTAND ON THE TOP LINE TO THE FAR LEFT THERE'S NUMBER ONE TREE IS A 15 INCH OAK TREE BEING REMOVED FAR LEFT NOT FAR LEFT I DON'T KNOW WHICH SIDE IT ON THE TOP ON THE TOP ALL THE WAY OVER SORRY I CAN'T DO IT THIS WAY. THAT WAY RIGHT.

YEAH SO WE'RE THE X IS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT SO THAT'S A 15 INCH TREE BEING REMOVED AND THEN FOUR WHICH WHICH IS THE FOURTH X DOWN THAT LINE. THERE YOU GO.

SO AN EIGHT INCH OAK AND THEN DOWN ON THE BOTTOM OVER IN TO THE FAR RIGHT ON TREE NUMBER TWO OVER TO THE LEFT THERE WE GO. THAT'S THE DISEASE 15 INCH OAK TREE. AND THEN NUMBER 25 OOPS. ONE TO I'M SORRY IF THERE YOU GO. SO THAT'S THE 20 INCH LIVE OAK TREE.

THAT'S THE ONE CLOSEST TO WILLIAM HILTON PARKWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THINK FOLKS WILL NOTICE THE MOST. SO I WANT FOLKS TO KNOW WHERE THESE TREES, THE LARGE OAKS ARE GOING TO BE AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE REPLACEMENT PLAN CALLS FOR 14 FOUR INCH LIVE OAKS SO THAT'S A LOT SMALLER THAN A 20 INCH LIVE OAK EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE A LOT MORE OF THEM.

IF THIS WERE A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR PRIVATE WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO PLANT THE SAME NUMBER OF TREES IN EXCHANGE FOR THOSE FOUR OAKS BEING TAKEN DOWN AS WELL AS THE OTHER TREES . NOW I KNOW AND I'LL SAY THAT THE REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE IS TWO AS REPLACEMENT OF TWO INCH CALIPER TREES WE'RE REQUIRED TO DOUBLE THAT WITH WITH FOUR INCH WE REQUIRE MAYBE TEN FEET TALL ALSO AT THE TIME PLANTING SO THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ON THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDER. THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, ON THE NEXT THE TREE MITIGATION NOTES SO DOWN AND NUMBER THREE IS 1410 INCH TALL A LOT OF TREES

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SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT ALSO THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME BUFFERS PLANTED IN THOSE AREAS. THAT'S CORRECT AND AND THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNDERSTORY AT THE ENDS TO HELP WITH THAT SO THERE'S NOT A BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT CHANNEL THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPENING THROUGH THAT BUT THE PLANTINGS AT THE END WOULD SCREEN THAT OPEN OPEN CORRIDOR AS WELL AND THE BUFFER AS A BUFFER AS A REESTABLISH RIGHT.

YOU AND WHICH LEADS ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION IS THE TIMING DO YOU KNOW THE PROPOSED TIMING OF WHEN THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OCCUR AND WHEN THE PLANT PLANTINGS MIGHT OCCUR? WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THE PERMIT HAVE WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE PSC THAT WE'VE INVITED HERE MAYBE CAN SPEAK TO THAT OF IT. I SUPPORT MORE WATER I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW IT'LL PROBABLY BE SIX MONTHS FOR WE GET OVER THERE AND THEN AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU KNOW ONCE WE GO IN THERE PROBABLY TAKE TOO MUCH OF THIS WORK AND THEN WE'LL PLANT TREES BACK DOWN AND MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FALL IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN FALL. I WOULDN'T DO IT IN THE SUMMER. THANK SIR.

THANK YOU. THE OTHER QUESTIONS ARE COMMENTS I CAN COUNSEL.

OKAY. THANK JUST A THANK YOU TO THE MITIGATION PLAN IN UPPING THE SIZE AND THE CALIBER OF THE TREES THAT IS IMPORTANT. LIVE OAKS HAVE NOT QUIT GROWERS SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE FOR TO FILL IT AND I WOULD JUST ASK IF HAPPENS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE IT EVEN MORE THAT WE'D SURPRISED WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

THANK YOU. OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT A CONSIDERATION OF AN AUDIENCE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND GRANTING EASEMENTS THE SOUTH ISLAND ESD PUBLIC DISTRICT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE INSTALLATION THIS IS THE SECOND READING IT WAS MOTION MADE BY MR. ALFORD SECONDED BY MRS. BECKER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND SO MOVED SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO NEW

[9.a. Consideration of Adoption of 2025 Meeting Schedules for Finance and Administrative Committee and Community Services and Public Safety REVISED AGENDA Committee - Shawn Colin, Assistant Town Manager]

THANK YOU. NOW IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND WE'LL START OFF WITH THE COMMITTEE SERVICES PUBLIC SAFETY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE 2025 MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE COMMUNITIES SERVICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND WE'VE GOT A FIRST TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ON ALL THOSE AND FAVORABLY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND SUE SECONDED OF MR. ROBERT MAY I JUST MAKE A COMMENT YES? SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF Y'ALL TO COME TO OUR FEBRUARY 10TH ALL OF OUR MEETINGS QUITE HONESTLY BUT ESPECIALLY ON FEBRUARY 10TH MEETING AS I SAID SIMPLY OPEN AGENDA WHERE WE'LL BE TALKING AMONG OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS COMING YEAR AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.

SO FEBRUARY 10TH 10 A.M. RIGHT HERE. THANKS.

THANK YOU NEXT TO THE FINANCE ADMINISTRATION WE HAVE A MOTION I WAS MADE BEFORE MOVE.

YES IT WITH THE OTHER TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON MEETING SCHEDULE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT ON MARCH 25TH AND WE WANTED TO CHECK WITH THE TOWN CLERK ABOUT POTENTIALLY MOVING THAT TO MARCH 18TH WHICH WOULD BE TUESDAY BEFORE THE SAME.

YES. GIVE ME JUST 1/2. I HAVE TO CHECK SEVERAL CALENDARS MARCH 18TH. YES, YES. THAT WORKS.

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YES I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE 2025 FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE SCHEDULE AS PROPOSED WITH THE CHANGE THE MARCH 25TH MEETING TO MARCH 18TH AT 10 A.M. SO I CAN APPEAL WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR. BROWN SO GOODBYE MRS. PRICE.

ALL THIS IS TAKING FIVE AND RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND. SO MOVE SEVEN ZERO WE NOW MOVE

[9.b. Consideration of an Ordinance to Amend Title 17 of the Municipal Code of the Town of Hilton Head Island, to Amend Chapter 4, Noise Control, to add Additional Requirements for Construction Hours - First Reading - Missy Luick, Director of Planning]

THE EFFORT HAS BEEN DIVIDED INTO TWO PARTS THE ALAMO FULL OVERHAUL AND THE AMENDMENTS THE PRIORITY AMENDMENTS INCLUDE INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO BOTH THE ALAMO AND PORTIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT ARE RELATED TO LAND MANAGEMENT SEEKING TO ADDRESS THOSE IMPORTANT AND URGENT ISSUES IN ADVANCE OF THE ALAMO OVERHAUL WE DID HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL LAST SEPTEMBER TO REVIEW THE ALAMO AMENDMENTS PLAN INCLUDING THE PRIORITY AMENDMENTS WE DISCUSS AN AMENDMENT TO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT STANDARDS AND WE DID HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL INCLUDING DIRECTION TO AMEND THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS OF THAT PRIORITY AMENDMENT.

SO JUST DESCRIBE OUR CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO CONSTRUCTION NOISE.

CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE REGULATIONS ALLOW CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK DURING THE DAYTIME DAYTIME DEFINED AT 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M.. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ALIGN CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY HOURS WITH THOSE HOURS THAT ARE ENFORCED BY OUR LOCAL MAJOR OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS BEST PRACTICES TO HAVE A MORE STANDARDIZED SCHEDULE THAT MINIMIZES DISTURBANCE TO NEARBY PROPERTIES. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT LIMITS CONSTRUCTION HOURS TO MONDAY SATURDAY EXCLUDING SEVERAL MAJOR HOLIDAYS THAT ARE LISTED AND ALSO LIMITS CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY FROM 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M. OR SUNSET WHICHEVER COMES FIRST .

AGAIN I MENTIONED THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT A TOWN WORKSHOP WHERE WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK AS IT RELATES TO OUR CONSTRUCTION HOURS AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT STANDARDS. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME OR THE FEEDBACK THAT WE THAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS DO HAVE IMPACTS THAT SPILL OVER INTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT DO CAUSE DISRUPTIONS INCLUDING NOISE VIBRATIONS, DUST, TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND OTHER. THOSE IMPACTS ARE SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING AND THEY AFFECT OUR DAILY ROUTINES AND OPERATIONS. AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ALSO CREATE JOBS, STIMULATE OUR ECONOMY WITH NEW DEVELOP THAT DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESULT IN POSITIVE IMPACTS TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT WAS SUGGESTED TIME TO RESEARCH THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION OUR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS SOME OTHER BEST PRACTICE IS WHEN PROCEEDING WITH THIS NOISE AMENDMENT.

AND I'LL JUST EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS THAT WE DID. WE DID EVALUATE THE ISLAND'S MAJOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES AND AND THEIR REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO CONSTRUCTION NOISE AND ACTIVITY . THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIATIONS IN THE CHART THAT FOLLOWS IDENTIFIES ALL OF THEIR REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO

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IN MOST CASES CONSTRUCTION IS PROHIBITED ON SUNDAYS AND MAJOR HOLIDAYS.

THIS SUMMARY OUTLINES THOSE REQUIREMENTS BY THOSE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM. THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.

AND IN CLOSING THE AMENDMENT REALLY IS A MODIFICATION TO SIMPLY ADDRESS THAT PRIORITY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AT THAT SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP WHICH WAS TO ALIGN CONSTRUCTION NOISE ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO HOURS. SO I'LL JUST GO BACK UP THOSE KEY POLICY CHANGES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE NOISE AMENDMENT AND WOULD OPEN IT TO ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. FIRST OF ALL, GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. NO, THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE ON I HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ORDINANCE LOOKS LIKE IT'S DEALING SOLELY WITH BUT IN FACT APPLIES TO LANDSCAPING PEOPLE AND THEIR BLOWERS AND SO FORTH. I DREW. THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM SO BIG SO I'M GETTING MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THIS. SO THIS AMENDMENT WOULD APPLY TO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THE TOWN OR ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE LINED AND TAX AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THESE RULES.

FOR EXAMPLE THE LANDSCAPE PERSON DOES NOT NEED A PERMIT WOULD STILL HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER THESE HOURS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

AND IS THERE ANY DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND A ACTIVITY? I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY GRASS ON SUNDAY MORNINGS. SURE.

SO I CAN GET TO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE INCLUDES AMENDMENTS JUST TO TO ONE IN THE PROHIBITED X SECTION AND, THE OTHER IN EXEMPTIONS THAT PROHIBITED X SECTION PROHIBITED AND ITEM TWO WITH NO CHANGE. CONSTRUCTION EXCAVATION.

DEMOLITION ALTERATION. IT USED TO SAY DURING THE DAYTIME OTHER THAN THE DAYTIME EXCUSE ME SO THOSE TIMES IT WAS PROHIBITED OUTSIDE OF 10 P.M. TO 7 A.M. SO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY WAS PROHIBITED. NOW IT IS OPERATED BUT ACT OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS OF 7 A.M.

TO 7 P.M. OR SUNSET FOR ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE THAT ARE STATED BELOW.

SO IT REALLY JUST CHANGES WHAT DAYTIME WAS DEFINED AS WHICH PRIOR TO IT WAS DEFINED AS 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M. AND DAYTIME NOW IS DEFINED 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M. OR SUNSET.

THERE IS NO CHANGE TO HERE. WHAT WAS WHAT IS PROHIBITED PRIOR TO THAN THERE'S THREE LESS HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ALLOWED OR SUNSET BECAUSE I'M FOCUSING ON THE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING ANYTHING ELSE? CORRECT.

WITH THE CHANGE THE CODE IS CHANGING AND UNDERSTAND THE DAYTIME DECREASE BUT THE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY IS WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON. CORRECT.

AND THAT AND THAT DOES IS A CHANGE TO CURRENT OPERATIONS. I CAN I GUESS TO SIMPLIFY MY QUESTION YOU CANNOT CUT MY GRASS ON SUNDAY MORNING YES OR NO AND I MIGHT SEE IF I CAN HELP OUT. THERE'S SOME PROHIBITED SOME EXCEPTION SORRY AND AS GRASS BUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER A NONCOMMERCIAL ACTIVITY WHICH IS AN EXCEPTION IT ACCEPTED IN THERE HERE IN EXCEPTIONS. ITEM SIX IT INCLUDES NONCOMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AS WELL AS ACTIVITY THAT IS OPERATED. SORRY AND LET ME JUST READ THIS REAL QUICK.

THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE GATES, CORRECT.

ON THESE ALL OF THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAPPENS CURRENTLY BEHIND THE GATES AND FOR THOSE

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GRANTED. GOT IT. IT WAS COURTEOUS BUT I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT THE TEXT THAT IS THE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY LANGUAGE IN THIS IS NOT A CHANGE IT'S ALWAYS READ THAT WAY THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT IN ITEM SIX.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY THE NONCOMMERCIAL PERSONS HOURS OF OPERATION WERE 7 A.M. TO 6 P.M.. THIS ADDS AN HOUR BUT IT WAS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY IN THE EXISTING TEXT THAT SAY YOU CAN CUT YOUR GRASS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY IF YOU KEEP KEEP THE NOISE LEVEL BELOW 95 DBA. THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS AND NOISE OF YOUR LAWNMOWER ISN'T GOING TO PUSH PUSH MORE BLADES IN OTHER QUESTIONS CONCERNS.

SO I DO WANT YOU I WANT TO THIS YOU KNOW THE EMERGENCY AND THE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD COME AROUND. IS THAT BEING CHANGED AT ALL WITHIN THIS FOR EMERGENCY? RIGHT. SO IF SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO WORK ON A SUNDAY OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION OR IF THERE ARE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS SAY THERE'S A GOLF TOURNAMENT, THEY NEED TO DO CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, DURING THE EVENINGS. SURE.

RIGHT. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE PROCESS THAT PROVIDES FOR EXEMPTIONS FROM THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND THOSE ARE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THIS IS ALLOWED. YEAH.

AND THEN I I THINK THAT 7 TO 7 OR SEVEN UNTIL SUNDOWN IS A REAL FEASIBLE TIME BECAUSE SUNDOWN IS SUBJECTIVE UNLESS YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE WEATHER MAN SO I WOULD I WOULD SUGGEST THAT SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION OF OF GOING 7 TO 7 ACROSS THE BOARD.

WELL THAT DOESN'T WORK IN THE WINTERTIME AND DOESN'T IN THE WINTERTIME.

IT'S DARK AT 430 5:00. YOU KNOW WHEN SOMEONE OUT DOING CONSTRUCTION AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER PLAYS THAT ARE OUT THERE THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT GOES TO SUNDOWN AND THAT'S SHIPYARD.

I'M NOT MISTAKEN I BELIEVE GOING BACK ON MY MEMORY OR I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE TO DO CONSTRUCTION IN THE DARK BASED ON ANYTHING OF STRUCTURAL THE SIX SHIPYARD WAS 77 OR RAILWAYS TO SEVEN ROLLS UNTIL DARK UNTIL DARK IN PORT.

YEAH 77, 77, 77. BUT THEN FOR CLARIFICATION DOES THIS CHANGE OF TIME THE DUTIES THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS AND A PLAN DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES CAN'T HAVE REGULATIONS THAT ARE MORE WHICH WHICH THEY DO CURRENTLY.

SO IF WENT SEVEN TO SUNDOWN THAT WOULD BE MORE STRICT THAN SOME OTHERS.

YES THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY HOURS. YES YES.

WITH BOTH OF THESE I WOULD RATHER IT 7 TO 7 BUT I HAVE I HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN ISSUE WITH US SUPERSEDING THE DUTIES WHEN THEY'VE HAD THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE LONGER THAN WE HAVE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THAT WHEN WE'RE COMING IN AND IMPOSING NEW REGULATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE PODS.

SO TO FOLLOW UP AND I APPRECIATE THAT IN FACT ONE OF THE REASONS THIS IS BECOME AN ITEM OF DISCUSSION WAS SO THAT WE CAN BRING THE OUTSIDE OF THE GATES EXPERIENCE WITH WITH NOISE ETC. CONSTRUCTION NOISE INTO INTO SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR IS NOT THE SAME AS MOST OF THE DUTIES AND TOO WOULD NOT WANT TO DISRUPT THE WORKINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS IF NOT DECADES WITHIN THE PODS. I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE OUTSIDE THE GATES HAS A COMPARABLE QUALITY OF LIFE SO IF YOU IF THAT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE MAYOR IS THE MOTION MAKER CHANGE IT TO 7 TO 7. I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.

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AS FOR AFTER YOU MADE THAT MOTION, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAKING THAT CHANGE BEFORE HE GOES? CAN I MAKE AN INQUIRY ABOUT WHAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IS THE MAYOR CONCERNED ABOUT NOT COMPLYING WITH WHAT POLICE HAVE RIGHT NOW THE TIME FRAME FROM SEVEN TO SUNDAY SEVEN AND SEVEN. SEVEN TO SUNDAY.

YEAH, THIS IS 7 A.M. OR 7 P.M. OR SUNSET WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

AND SO I AGREE WITH MR. MARIN AND IT'S IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SAFE THING TO BE DOING CONSTRUCTION DARK ALTHOUGH MY BROTHER DID MAKE ME DO SOME THINGS AFTER DARK WITH CONSTRUCTION BUT I DID IT BECAUSE I TRUSTED EMS AT ANY RATE.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE PROVISIONS IN PLACE AND IS TRYING TO LINE THEM UP AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH A SIGNIFICANT ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE BY STAFF TO MAKE THEM ALIGN. AND IF THERE'S ONE PLAY THAT HAS SOME DIFFERENT LANGUAGE PERHAPS A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD AND I'M AT A LOSS AS TO WHY THAT'S A PROBLEM I'M SORRY I'D THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THERE AND READING THROUGH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PLAYS MANY OF THEM ARE SET TIMEFRAMES EITHER SEVEN, SEVEN, SEVEN AND SIX OR SEVEN OR SEVEN OR SUNSET WHICHEVER COMES FIRST. SO IF WE COME IN AND SAY IT'S SEVEN TO SUNSET THEN WE'RE OVERSTEPPING THE CURRENT OPERATIONAL ASPECTS OF THE PLACE.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INDOORS AND OUTDOORS AND? IT IS A NOISE ORDINANCE. I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF PAINTING AND WORK AND THINGS GOING ON IN THE DARK ON THE INSIDE SO I DON'T WANT TO PROHIBIT FROM HAPPENING BUT IT'S BASED ON A NOISE ORDINANCE SO MOST LIKELY ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUST THE NOISE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? I WOULD RECOMMEND IN THE FUTURE THAT AS WE HAVE DIFFERENT ITEMS UP FOR DISCUSSION IT IS MADE CLEAR WHAT WHETHER OR NOT IT IMPACTS THE PUDS. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT WOULD I KNOW WE HAD THE COMPARISON BUT I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING IN THE LANGUAGE THAT SAID THIS APPLIES TO THE PROPERTIES AS WELL AND IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD BECAUSE THEN I COULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH TO THE PLAYERS WITHIN MY WARD TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK. THE OTHER DISCUSSION SO MR. AFTER THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER ADJUSTING YOUR MOTION AND THEN I PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CUTTING THEIR GRASS IN THE DARK IF THEY DO AND THEY'VE GOT SOME INTERESTING LINES THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. TO ACCOMMODATE YOU, YES, I WILL AMEND THE MOTION BY 77 SORT OF SIMILAR SUNSET. RIGHT. AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST CUTTING THE GRASS. IT'S NO NEED TO GO THERE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE WE CAN GET THIS PASSED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITIES.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT SINCE IT SETS MOTION HAS BEEN CHANGED, HAS BEEN AMENDED TO GO FROM FROM ONLY CHANGING 7 TO 7 OR SUNSET JUST STRICTLY 7 TO 7 AND WE DO THIS WE I DON'T KNOW I KNOW WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN HERE THAT HAS BEEN OPERATING BEHIND THE GATES A 7 TO 7. CAN YOU ASK CAN YOU ASK WHAT WHY WHY THEY CHOSE IT? CAN WE HEAR WHY? WELL THAT THAT I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE BYLAWS WERE MANY MOONS AGO.

SO IN HAVING GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY OF ONE TO SPEAK AND NOT ALL OF THE OTHERS AS MR. TURNER SAID I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME INSIGHT THAT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN ON THE UP HERE THERE'S GOT TO BE A THERE'S GOING TO BE A REASON AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AS TO WHY THEY HAVE CENTERED TIMES ASK COUNCIL IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH ALLOWING AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. CHRISTIAN. YEAH.

TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT. IS THAT WITH COUNCIL TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY NOT LEARN SOMETHING. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I WAS INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY IF YOU WOULD IF YOU COULD COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT AND FROM YOUR STANDPOINT YOUR KNOWLEDGE IT'S BEEN 7 TO 7 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND THEN 7 TO 6 ON SATURDAY AND. NO WORK ON SUNDAY UNLESS IT'S EMERGENCY AND HAS BEEN IN PLACE

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BUT AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A AN ORDINANCE OVERRIDE THAT SO THAT WE CAN'T PERMIT SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS TIME SENSITIVE. YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHEN WE PUT IN THE MONROE PINE OVER THAT PLANTATION IT WAS A CONTINUOUS POUR FOR TWO DAYS AND CEMENT TRUCKS CAME IN 24 HOURS A DAY OVER THAT TWO DAY PERIOD AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE A CONTINUOUS POUR. AND THERE ARE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL OR SOMETHING ELSE WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION TO THAT OH NO I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE SO STEADFAST THAT.

YOU WOULDN'T NOT ALLOW AN INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION.

I CAN GO THERE. I'M AT THE LANGUAGE OF THE TEXT WHICH HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED IT IT ACTS IT SAYS THIS SECTION SHALL ON APPLYING CASES OF EXTREME OR URGENT I'M SORRY AN URGENT NECESSITY IN ANSWERS TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE THEN ONLY BY PERMIT OBTAINED FROM AND ISSUED BY THE TOWN MANAGER SO THE TOWN MANAGER ALLOW SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING AND IN THOSE CASES BEYOND SUNSET YES HE COULD BUT THEN HE'S NOW HAVING CONTROL OVER THE WOODS, THE PLACE AND THAT'S THAT THAT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE HIS REALM.

I WOULD HAVE TO ASK OUR TOWN ATTORNEY AN OPINION ON THAT ONE MAYOR I CAN RESPOND OR YOU WANT TO ADDRESS OR CURTIS WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS WELL YOUR THE ORDINANCES THE TOWN APPLY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND SO IF THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE WHICH WILL CURRENTLY AS AS THE AMENDED AMENDMENT HAS BEEN PROPOSED 77 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY EXCLUDING HOLIDAYS IT WOULD APPLY IN IN THE CASE OF FOR EXAMPLE HILTON HEAD PLANTATION IF A SITUATION GOING ON IN HILTON HEAD PLANTATION WHERE YOU HAVE A NEED FOR CONTINUOUS WORK THE ORDINANCE DOES PROVIDE AN OUTLET FOR THAT I MEAN BUT BUT THE THE THE YOUR YOUR ORDINANCE YOUR ORDINANCE APPLIES EVERYWHERE IF YOU ADOPTED SO I MEAN FROM MY VANTAGE POINT WHETHER IT'S A YEAH WHETHER IT'S A YOU SIR WITH WHETHER IT'S A SUBDIVISION OR A BUILDING PERMIT YOU KNOW THE TOWN THE TOWN CODE PREVAILS BEHIND THE GATES OR OUTSIDE GATES INSIDE THE WOODS OR NOT.

THIS IS SIMPLY ADDING A DIFFERENT TIME TO WHAT IS IS BEING ALREADY IN PLACE AS A RESTRICTION WAS ALREADY IN PLACE THE RESTRICTION IF I COULD AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO SIT UP HERE I DON'T WANT TO QUESTION THE STAFF I'M I BASED UPON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, I THINK OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR NEEDS TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF I COULD HELP ASK THE QUESTION. ONE, IS THIS SO COMPLICATED AND I ON A TABLE AND HAVE IS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD BECAUSE MS. TONNER BRINGS UP A POINT AFFECTING BEHIND THE GATES OR NOT WE HAD WORKSHOP AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK MISSY.

I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WHEN WAS THAT LAST WORKSHOP AND WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION TO YOU AND TO SEAN LEININGER TO BRING THIS FORWARD? WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO ALIGN OUR PROVISIONS WITH WITH WHAT IS INSIDE THE PODS WE ARE NOT ADVOCATING TO MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE. WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD OUTSIDE THE GATES OUR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR BOB BROMAGE HAS CALLED OFTEN MORE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION HOURS BEFORE SEVEN AND AFTER AND ON WEEKENDS IT'S JUST DISRUPTING NEIGHBORHOOD MORE ON

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SURE BUT BUT TO START WITH WITH THE FIRST QUESTION THAT MARK ASKED WAS WELL WHAT THE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL AND IT WAS TO LOOK AT CHANGING THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION WHICH CURRENTLY ARE EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK FROM 7 A.M. TO 10 P.M. TO ALIGN WITH THOSE PLAYS AND OTHER BEST PRACTICES. AND SO NO IT WAS NOT AND THE INTENT TO SUPERSEDE OR INTERVENE WITH THESE BEAUTY PRACTICES WE WERE TRYING TO ALIGN OUR NOISE AMENDMENT WITH THOSE BEST PRACTICES THAT ARE THAT EXIST WITHIN THESE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND THE AMENDMENT DOES HAVE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A PRO A PROHIBITED PROHIBITED OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT NAMED IN THIS PARAGRAPH DURING DAYTIME OTHER THAN DAYTIME. SO OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION HOURS AND WE'RE CHANGING THOSE THERE ARE SOME TO THOSE THAT ARE LISTED HERE THAT RELATE TO NONCOMMERCIAL PERSONS THE CHANGE HERE SO IT EXISTED AS IT WAS DESCRIBED BEFORE SO NON COMMERCIAL PERSONS SO YOU AND I'M ON OUR GRASS HAD A RESTRICTION PRIOR TO THE HOURS OF 7 TO 6 MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY THIS CLARIFIES THAT IT ADDED AN EXTRA KEPT IT ON MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY BUT EXCLUDED SOME HOLIDAYS IS WHAT THE CHANGE WAS AND THERE WAS ALSO AND THOSE ARE NOISE LEVELS AGAIN THAT ARE GREATER THAN THE SOUND ORDINANCE WHICH IS OVER 95 DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE. DOES THAT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS AND IF I COULD HELP IT'S THE CLAUSE THAT'S MAKING IT MORE RESTRICTIVE LESS RESTRICTIVE AND THAT'S WHY WE MADE THE AMENDMENTS. AND SO REALLY IT BOILS TO THE SUNSET CLAUSE BECAUSE I SEE THAT AS MORE RESTRICTIVE ON THE POLICY PHASE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON AVERAGE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDARIES WITH THE POWERS WHEN THEY'VE GOT THE RULES IN PLACE . SO CAN I JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT IS TRUE PEOPLE CAN LIVE BEHIND A GATE AND A PEW. THEY HAVE ALL TYPES OF RULES AND RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY THEY LIVE WITH WHEN YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE GATES AND SEVERAL OF US NOW ON THE COUNCIL DO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS AND SO WHAT THE ATTEMPT IS HERE IS TO GIVE THE SAME QUALITY OF LIFE TO THOSE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE GATES AS THOSE WHO LIVE BEHIND THE GATES ENJOY IT AND THAT'S IT SO IF IT'S A SIMPLE MATTER OF REMOVING A WORD SUNSET THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT OR EVEN RELEVANT IN MANY OF THE PERIODS THEN I THINK WE ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION BY ACCEPTING AND APPROVING THE ORDINANCE TODAY WITH THE WITH THE AMENDMENT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF EQUALITY FOR ALL OF US WHO LIVE ON THIS ISLAND TO HAVE THE SAME SORT OF THAT THAT EVERYONE SHOULD ENJOY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER NOTE OUR TOWN MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE GATES AS MUCH AS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE GATES AND IS IN CHARGE OF ALL OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND NOT JUST THE 30% OUTSIDE OF THE GATE SO YOU'VE GOT A BIG JOB AND WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO AND SAY OPERATIONAL. YOU KNOW HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE THERE OPERATIONAL SIDE THANK YOU. IF I MAY I'D CERTAINLY SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT I JUST WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND I WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD IT'S I MEAN IT'S AN ORDINANCE WHICH REQUIRES TWO READINGS I BELIEVE I'M LOOKING AT THE TOWN ATTORNEY CLARIFY SO I WOULD SAY WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE FIRST READING AND IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF ISSUES ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT CAN BE DONE BETWEEN AND SECOND READING.

SO LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD TO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCE FORWARD WITH THE WITH THE CHANGE OF THE VERBIAGE FROM

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IF I COULD REAL QUICK. IS ANYBODY ELSE HOT IN HERE? IT FEELS LIKE THE HEAT IS JUST OH WELL, I CAN'T BECAUSE I'M SWEATING UNDERNEATH IT BECAUSE I WOULD TURN ON THE AIR IF YOU COULD BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S JUST TRYING TO BURN US OUT .

THE LAST TIME WHEN I SAW IT FOR THE LAST TIME IT WAS REALLY IN HERE NOW IT'S JUST TOO HOT SO FAR SO THANK IT'S ALL RIGHT IF WE CAN COME BACK TO BACK TO ORDER THAT'D BE GREAT.

[9.c. Consideration of a Resolution Authorizing the Town Manager to sign the Permits Required to Execute the Beach Renourishment Project - Shawn Colin, Assistant Town Manager]

WE HAVE BEEN PURSUING THE PERMIT FOR THE BEACH THE PROJECT FOR SOME TIME WITH THE EXPECTATION OF ADVANCING A PROJECT FOR EXECUTION HERE LATER SPRING WITH CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS SUMMER TO NOURISH OUR BEACH A REQUIREMENT OF OUR PERMITTING BOTH AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL ARE TO COORDINATE OUR PERMITS WITH THE PERMIT AGENCIES A REQUIREMENT FROM THE ARMY CORPS TO RECEIVE THEIR PERMIT IS TO RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM THE US FISH AND WILDLIFE WILDLIFE SERVICE TO INCLUDE A BIOLOGICAL OPINION AS THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER ENDANGERED AND THREATENED AND THREATENED SPECIES AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS HELP SET THE CONSTRUCTION WINDOW FOR ONE ACTIVITY IS GOING TO OCCUR AS IT RELATES IMPACT TO WILDLIFE INCLUDING TURTLES AND BIRDS OTHERS IN AUGUST OF 2024 THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE WILL WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH ISSUED THE INITIAL BIOLOGICAL OPINION A DRAFT BIOLOGICAL OPINION UNDER SO SECTIONS UNDER THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT IN THIS BIOLOGICAL OPINION FOR THE FIRST TIME WAS THE INCLUSION OF A REQUIREMENT IT'S CALLED UNDER A DETERMINED CONDITION RATHER THAN AN ADVISORY. BUT FOR THE FIRST TIME THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THE TERM AND CONDITION FROM U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE TO MANDATE A YEAR ROUND BAN ON DOGS WITHIN PORTIONS OF THE TOWN'S DEFINED BEACH.

THOSE RESTRICTIONS INITIALLY PROPOSED IN THE DRAFT INCLUDED THE FISH ALL BEACH PARK PORTIONS OF PORT ROYAL PLANTATION AND PINE ISLAND BEACH AND THOSE THERE WERE ILLUSTRATED IN YOUR ATTACHMENTS THAT WERE PART OF THE PACKET ATTACHMENT THREE THE BIOLOGICAL OPINION CITED CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE TO BIRDS FROM THE PRESENCE OF DOGS EVEN WHEN LEASHED AND UNDER THE APPLICABLE SECTIONS OF THAT BIOLOGICAL OPINION THEY INCLUDED REASONABLE AND PRUDENT MEASURE NUMBER FOUR AS WELL AS AND CONDITION FOUR RELATED TO SHOREBIRDS REASONABLE PRUDENT MEASURE NUMBER FOUR STATED THE TOWN MUST IMPLEMENT THE REVISED AND APPROVED TOWN OF CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM 2015 BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS. THE PLAN WILL INCLUDE BEACH MANAGEMENT MEASURES AT REDUCING HUMAN RECREATIONAL DISTURBANCE TO OFFSET ANTICIPATED TAKE RESULTING FROM THE PROPOSED ACTION THE RELATED TERM AND CONDITION FROM FISH AND WILDLIFE IN THE BIOLOGICAL OPINION WAS THIS TERM AND CONDITION NUMBER FOUR AND AGAIN I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS THE ORIGINAL THE INITIAL DRAFT BIOLOGICAL OPINION LANGUAGE BUT IT REQUIRED A YEAR ROUND RESTRICTION ACCESS AREAS ALONG PINE ISLAND AND THE FISH OR CREEK AREA SHORELINES A

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SO WE WORKED THROUGH WITH THESE AGENCIES WE BACK AND WE DRAFTED SOME MODIFIED LANGUAGE OR WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND OFFERED SOME MODIFIED LANGUAGE WHICH THEY INCLUDED IN AN AMENDED BIOLOGICAL OPINION. SO THE RESULTS OF THE EFFORTS THROUGH THE COORDINATED DISCUSSION AND COLLECTIVE EFFORT WAS MODIFIED OPINION. I WILL SAY THAT U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE JUST LIKE WHEN WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION HERE AND WE ISSUE A PERMIT WITH TO PLANT BACK 14 LILACS AT FOUR INCHES AND TEN FEET TALL THEY HAVE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY REQUIRE OUR MANDATE AS PART OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE PERMIT FROM ARMY CORPS AND SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. SO MODIFIED THEIR BIOLOGICAL OPINION THEY THEY REDUCED THE AREA WHERE THE RESTRICTION APPLIES AND WE PULL UP THE YES THAT ONE THERE. YEAH SO MODIFIED AREA FOR WHERE THE RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY IS MUCH SMALLER DOES NOT INCLUDE PINE ISLAND BEACH ANYMORE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE A MUCH LARGER FOOTPRINT OF FOR THE FISH OUT. I'M GOING TO POP THIS UP THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OUTLINED IN BLUE FOUR WHERE THE RESTRICTION WAS WAS PROPOSED AND THEN THIS IS THE THE RESULT THAT RESTRICTED AREA AS PART OF THE BIOLOGICAL OPINION PART OF OUR PERMIT CONSIDERATION UNTIL ACCEPT THE PERMITS WE CANNOT ALLOW THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECT AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS BRING THIS FORWARD IN TOWN COUNCIL TO LET YOU KNOW WE NEED WILL NEED TO AMEND THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED ACTIVITY ANIMAL ACTIVITIES ON THE BEACH SO THE PLAN INCLUDE A ONE YEAR PERMANENT YEAR ROUND DOG RESTRICTED AREA IN THIS HATCHED AREA THERE IS IN THE BIOLOGICAL AMENDED BIOLOGICAL OPINION A PROVISION IN THAT IT WILL BE

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BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CODE CHANGE IN PLACE AND AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO ADVANCE THE BUILDING TO TO KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT IS WITH MORE CERTAINTY HOW MUCH IT COSTS WITH MORE CERTAINTY OF DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE WHETHER WITH A CONTRACTOR QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR TO SET THE TIME FRAME AND EXPECTATION TO DELIVER ON THIS PROJECT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE TOWN COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THIS CONDITION AND THAT WILL BRING FORWARD A CODE CHANGE IN THE COMING MONTHS TO GET US TO A PLACE WHERE WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH WITH THIS OF THE PERMIT AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET THE PERMIT I EXPECT IN THE COMING WEEK. OKAY.

AND MARK AS THE TOWN MANAGER IS HE'LL HAVE TO SIGN THE PERMITS FROM THE STATE AND ARMY CORPS TO ACCEPT THE PERMIT SO THIS ACTION WILL WOULD AUTHORIZE HIM TO SIGN THOSE AND ACCEPT THEM ALLOW US TO BUILD THE PROJECT, ALLOW US TO MAKE THE CODE CHANGE AND MOVE THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT AS PART OF A RESILIENT ELEMENT FOR OUR ISLAND FORWARD.

I'M SO HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS ITEM. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO OPEN TOO MUCH ABOUT OVERALL BEACH RENOURISHMENT AT THIS TIME RIGHT SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. KIM DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP ON THIS AGENDA ITEM QUESTIONS FROM SPEAKER THANK YOU ACTUALLY LET'S BACK UP AGAIN ANY MOTION I MOVE TO A ADOPT THE RESOLUTION SET FORTH AS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT OKAY SAID GOOD ENOUGH MR. TOWN ATTORNEY YES WE'RE GOOD SEEMS LIKE A BETTER THANK YOU SEAN FOR THAT EXPLANATION SO.

I'M LOOKING AT THE JANUARY 15TH LETTER FROM THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE.

I THINK THAT'S FINE AND REFERENCING FIRST OF ALL THE FIRST LINE CONTAINS AN ERROR BUT THAT IS MAY BE AUGUST 8TH I BELIEVE 2024. BUT GOING BELOW TO THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS LANGUAGE? THE PLAN WILL INCLUDE ONE PERMANENT COMMENT YEAR ROUND DOG RESTRICTION AN ACCESS AREA ALONG FISH CREEK SHORELINE IS THAT THE HATCHED AREA THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO OKAY.

AND THEN IT SPEAKS OF THE PORT OIL BUT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S CHANGED, CORRECT? WELL, CAN WE PUT THAT MAP BACK UP, JIM? I'M SORRY.

JUST SO I CAN SHOW THE YEAH I'LL GET UP SO IT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT POOR OIL PLANTATION BUT IT'S PLURAL SOUND WITH THIS AREA OKAY SO IT I MEAN IT IS I GUESS I'M SAYING BUT IT IS

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THE STEAM GUN HAS BEEN REMOVED SO IT'S JUST BACK TO THE POOR OLD SOUTH WHERE FISH OIL CREEK EMPTIES SO IT SAYS MINIMIZE EXISTING AND FUTURE HUMAN RECREATION TOO.

AND THEY NAMED THE BIRDS SO NOT JUST DOGS THAT ARE NOT BEING PROHIBITED WITHIN THIS THERE IS ALSO HUMAN ACTIVITY, NO ACTIVITIES CAN TAKE PLACE IN THIS AREA.

WELL, IT'S RELATED TO HUMAN ACTIVITY BECAUSE IF THERE'S A VIOLATION WE CAN'T CITE THE DOG A DOG. SO I MEAN IT'S IT'S HUMAN ACTIVITY TO BRING A DOG WHETHER IT'S ON A LEASH OR UNLEASHED. AND SO THE VIOLATION WOULD RESIDE WITH THE AND IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO OUT AND HAVE A PICNIC THERE WITHOUT THEIR DOG, WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? SURE. SO IT'S ONLY RESTRICTIONS UNDER THAT PROVISION OF CODE I MENTIONED WHERE RELATE TO ANIMAL ACTIVITY IT JUST AS FUTURE HUMAN THEN REACTION RECREATION AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT PIECE ALSO SAYS THAT THE TOWN AT ITS CURRENT CONTRACT WILL INSTALL THE SIGNAGE AND TO THAT MENTIONED ABOVE THE SPRING HIGH TIDE LINE TO DELINEATE RESTRICTED AREAS IS THE LINES THAT WE SEE HATCHED IS THAT WHERE THE ANTICIPATED POINTS ARE? SO THERE WOULD BE WE WOULD IN FACT PLACE SIGNS EACH END OF WHERE THE PUBLIC BEACH ACCESSES IS, WHERE THAT RESTRICTION BEGINS. THEY ALSO WOULD LIKE US TO PLACE LOUISE SO THAT WHEN IT'S CLEARLY EVIDENT WHERE THAT LINE WOULD BE THAT THE BILL WOULD REPRESENT THE AREA OF RESTRICTION. AND SO IT GOES ON TO SAY THE TOWN WILL WORK WITH THE CELL PHONE SERVICE AND ENSURE FOR OUR PARTNERS TO DEVELOP A POSITIVE MESSAGING CAMPAIGN.

THE CHANGES ALONG THE FISH HALL CREEK AND THAT'S I'M ASSUMING ANOTHER TASK FOR THE TOWN AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S SO THERE'S BEEN THAT PROVISION IN PREVIOUS BEACH RENOURISHMENT PERMITS BUT IT'S BEEN IN AN ADVISORY THIS IS REQUIRING US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE RESTRICTED AREA THE IMPACT THAT THE VIOLATION WOULD HAVE ON THE MIGRATORY BIRDS.

AND SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT WELL IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO MAKE SURE TO THE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF WHY WE'RE THIS AND SO WE COULD DO THAT AS WE BRING THE CODE FORWARD TO A COMMUNICATION CAMPAIGN FOR THAT ITEM. SO IS THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS UNDER NUMBER SIX AND JUST ADDING IN THINKING STAFF'S REQUIREMENTS NOW TOWN STAFF'S REQUIREMENTS WE WILL HIRE A CONTRACTOR OR USE QUALIFIED TOWN STAFF THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE FISHING AND WILDLIFE TO CONDUCT SHOREBIRD SURVEYS IS THAT PART OF WHAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN IN THE AGREEMENTS AND IT'S JUST NOW BEING HIGHLIGHTED THAT HAS BEEN A TERM CONDITION WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AS PART OF OUR BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECTS TO SURVEY AND MONITOR AND BIRDS MIGRATORY BIRDS AND SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY AND JUST RESETTING THAT CONDITION THAT AS PART OF THIS SO AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE LETTER ARE THE REST OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ARE THOSE ARE THOSE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO IN THE PAST? THAT'S CORRECT. ONLY TERM AND CONDITION NUMBER FOUR IS GOING WELL I WOULD SAY TERM AND CONDITION NUMBER FOUR ABOUT THIS NEW RESTRICTED ACCESS AREA AS WELL AS REQUIRING THE EDUCATION SIGNAGE RATHER THAN ADVISORY.

SO SO THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD ALSO REQUIRE US TO HIRE AND CONTRACT CONTRACTOR QUALIFIED TOWN STAFF WHO WILL CONDUCT ROOSTING HABITAT SURVEYS AND AND MAINTAIN POSTED AREAS AND HE HAS HAD TO HAVE A CHANGE IN ENVIRONMENTS AND THEN IT GOES ON WITH A NUMBER OF OTHERS AND I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT NO ARE REQUIRED OF US TO PROVIDE THEM REPORTS EXTENSOR AND BACK OR WHETHER IT'S TOWN STAFF OR WHETHER WE HAVE TO HIRE THE TOWN IT IS THE TOWN MANAGER IS OKAY WITH ALL THOSE PROVISIONS AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR MOVING FORWARD AND A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW BUT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT DOES IS TO DOGS AND OBVIOUSLY I'M A DOG LOVER AND ANIMAL LOVER AND I'VE CHAMPIONED OUR DOGS FRIENDLY BEFORE AND I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M PLEASED ABOUT THIS AT ALL BUT ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO NOURISH OUR BEACH SO I'M

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SURE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A WORK I THINK A WORKSHOP ON BEACHFRONT HARASSMENT THAT'S BEEN POTENTIAL FOR LATER THIS MONTH SO I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP IN THE DETAILED OR DEEP IN THE OPERATIONAL COMPONENTS THE BIRD SURVEY BUT WE DID THAT IN THE HOUSE SALLY CRABS, JAMIE LOBB COVE FORMER STAFF WERE OUT THERE DOING THOSE SURVEYS SEA TURTLE PATROL THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT MONITORING THE SEA TURTLE NEST DOING RELOCATION AS THE PROJECT MOVES SO THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.

SO THERE'S A FEW CONTRACTS MORE OF AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL THAT THAT SHAWN JEFF NOW SINGER WILL COORDINATE AND MAKE SURE THAT PART OF THE PROJECT AND COORDINATE THAT THROUGH WITH THE MARK FOR BUDGET AND OTHER OPERATIONAL ITEMS AND I CAN RIGHT HERE IN QUESTION WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE A FEBRUARY 25TH WORKSHOP IN YOUR AND YOU'RE SLATED ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO AND PROPOSE THAT WE TALK ALL THINGS BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROBABLY A LOT LESS PERMIT DETAIL A LOT LESS SCOPE AND SCHEDULE BUT REALLY SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT FUNDING OPTIONS WE COULD BRING TO YOU AT THAT TIME WHAT THE ADDITIONAL OF THE PERMIT IS.

WE ALWAYS CARRY SOME LINES IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WE CARRY SOME LINE ITEM IN THERE ABOUT BEACH MONITORING AND MANAGEMENT. THIS FALLS RIGHT IN THERE.

THERE'S SOME MANDATES FROM THE STATE THROUGH THE PERMITTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PREPARED TO FUND AND AND REGULATE AND ENFORCE. WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT IDEAL BUT I WOULD SAY THIS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE NOT ALONE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY BEACH ON OUR COAST ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT HAS THAT HAS SOME NEW OR DIFFERENT CONDITIONS FROM THE PERMITTING I THINK IT'S MORE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT AND IF THAT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS THEN I'LL BRING YOU THAT COST I THANK YOU AND RATHER THAN WAIT TO BRING THIS BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL FOR THREE OR FOUR FIRMS THAT CAN DO THE SCALE OF A BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE THE SOONER WE CAN BID THIS OUT THE BETTER AND WE JUST CAN'T GET IT OUT UNTIL GET THE PERMIT SO.

DAUGHTER YES I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. THE FISH BEACH IS HEAVILY USED . THE CONSTITUENTS OF WARD SIX INCLUDING FISH HALL BIG OL MITCHELL VILLE AREA BEACH CITY ROAD AS WELL AS PALMETTO AND WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE BEACH YOU SEE A LOT OF DOGS SO I PROACTIVE PROACTIVELY REACHED OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA AND WHAT THE IMPACT WAS. I ONLY RECEIVED FEW EMAILS AND RESPONSE ALTHOUGH DISAPPOINTED UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS NEEDED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO GET THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROGRAM. COLIN WHEN WOULD THE YEAR PROHIBITION START? WHEN DOES THE CLOCK START? WELL WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PLACE THE CODE .

THE CODE IN PLACE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN START. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET BUT THE WINDOW THE EARLIEST CONSTRUCTION COULD START FOR THE PERMIT WOULD BE JUNE SO WE'D LIKE TO IF THERE'S SUPPORT WE'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD THE CODE AMENDMENT AS SOON AS WE GET COLLECTIVE DIRECTION FROM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ARE YOU GOING TO LET MARKS ON PERMIT MEANS JULY AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS AT THE FEBRUARY WORKSHOP AND AGAIN I DO NOT WANT TO PUT THAT CLOCK ON IT. I THINK THAT SOON AS WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION, THE DAY WE GET THAT PERMANENT PLACE KNOW THIS AS IS AS YOU PASS A RESOLUTION AND WE AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR COMMITMENT TO STAND BEHIND A FUTURE CODE AMENDMENT SIGN THAT PERMIT WHEN WE SIGN THAT PERMIT WILL BID IT OUT. WE'VE KIND OF BEEN IT OUT FOR TIME. WE'VE BEEN IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH GREAT CONSULTANT TEAM AS WELL AS CONTRACTORS WHICH WILL BUT UNLESS AND UNTIL WE GET THOSE BIDS BACK AND UNLESS AND UNTIL WE AGREE WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM WHEN WE PUT A SHOT ON CONSTRUCTION START WE KEEP SAYING JUNE IT MIGHT NOT BE JUNE BECAUSE OF THIS PERMIT TIMING WE JUST HAVE TO GET THEM CODE IN PLACE ASAP. I GUESS WE DON'T WANT CLARIFICATION.

IS THAT THE CLOCK FOR THE YEAR THAT WE CAN'T ALLOW DOGS WOULD TO BE STORED? WE PASSED THE TEX AMENDMENT CODE AMENDMENT OR DOES THIS DOG WE START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT SO IT'D BE SECOND AND FINAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE TO CHANGE THE MUNICIPAL CODE ? YES YOU COULD PUT AN EFFECTIVE DATE IN THERE IF YOU HAD A BETTER WHEN THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO START. CURTIS CAN PROBABLY WEIGH IN IN MY MIND IS WHEN I SIGNED THE PERMIT AND WHEN I SAY YEAR ROUND BAN REVOCATION PLEASE I'D

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WE'LL YOU SOME CLARITY IN MY MIND ON THAT RESPECT IS WHEN I SIGNED THE PERMIT THE PERMIT CONDITIONS ARE IN EFFECT I THINK WE HAVE SOME GRACE PERIOD OF ORDER TO AND DO OUR WORK BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT ONCE I SIGN THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN EXTERNAL SO THAT FOLKS KNOW WHAT THIS IS AND ALSO KNOW WHAT IT ISN'T RIGHT.

PHONES RANG TODAY BECAUSE FOLKS THOUGHT THAT THIS DOG BAN WAS IT'S ONLY IN THAT NICE LITTLE HAT AREA WHICH IF YOU'RE THERE IS PRETTY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE TO BEGIN WITH, HARD TO GET AND FROM THAT'S THE AREA WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMMS PLAN PLACE AND I DO THINK IT'S WHEN I SIGNED THE PERMIT WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW ALL ALL ALL THINGS ARE GO AT THAT POINT AND AS I SAID YES SIR THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK THE TOWN MANAGER AND HIS STAFF FOR PUSHING BACK, IF YOU WILL, ON THIS RESTRICTION AND GETTING A REVISED BIOLOGIC.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED AND I'M VERY GLAD AND GRATEFUL TO STAFF FOR GETTING IT DONE. SECONDLY, WITH TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENT IT WOULD SEEM AS THOUGH IT'S A SIMPLE IT TAKES TWO READINGS AND I WOULD ASK THE TOWN IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN A WEEK TO DO IT. I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEXT MEETING ON FEBRUARY 18. IT DOES SEEM LIKE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS EITHER ADD A SENTENCE OR TAKE OUT A SENTENCE TO INCLUDE THIS AREA AND ATTACH A MAP. WE'RE DONE TWO READINGS SO I'M HEARING THE TOWN MANAGER SAYING HE'S NOT SIGNING THE PERMIT UNTIL HE KNOWS GOING TO ADOPT A CODE PROVISION AND I WOULD URGE US TO DO THAT A.S.A.P AND NOT HOLD UP THIS PERMITTING PROCESS ANYMORE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MR. BRYSON SAID. YOU ALL DONE A GREAT THE WHOLE TEAM HAS AND WORKING WITH YOU KNOW FISH AND WILDLIFE AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND THEN I'LL BRIEFLY STATE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ALONG THE COAST THAT ARE LOOKING TO DO BEACH RENOURISHMENT THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

SO TIMING IS OF THE ESSENCE OURS IS THE LARGEST BY FAR OF ANYBODY ELSE'S SO WE'VE GOT TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD SO ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE BY MRS. BRICE BRYSON SECOND BY MR. ALFRED FOR A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TOWN MANAGER TO SIGN THE PERMITS REQUIRED TO EXECUTE THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECT.

[9.d. Consideration of an Ordinance to Amend Title 16 of the Municipal Code of the Town of Hilton Head Island, the Land Management Ordinance, to amend Chapter 16-4, Use Standards, to add a new Adaptive Re-Use Hotel/Motel Conversion Program as Section 16-4-106 - First Reading - Missy Luick, Director of Planning]

ALL RIGHT LASTLY HAVE A FIRST READING OF THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND TITLE 16 OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CODE OF THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND THE MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 16 THAT FOR YOU TO ADD A NEW ADAPTIVE REUSE HOTEL MOTEL CONVERSION PROGRAM A SECTION 16 DASH FOR DASH 106 THIS WAS A TOPIC IN OUR PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS LAST SEPTEMBER. LET'S LOOK. GOOD AFTERNOON.

SO YES WE ARE CONSIDERING FIRST READING FOR THIS AMENDMENT TO CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT OUR CODE TO ALLOW ADAPTIVE REUSE OF HOTEL MOTEL CONVERSION. I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND SUMMARIZE THIS APPLICATION FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT IN THE FOLLOWING WE DID RECEIVE AN APPLICATION FROM BREEN WITH BLUE HOUR HOUSING WHO'S HERE IN THE ROOM? HE THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO ESTABLISH NEW RULES FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE FOR HOTEL AND MOTEL CONVERSION AND ESTABLISH MINIMUM UNIT SIZES AND CRITERIA FOR THAT USE.

WE DID AS WE DESCRIBED EARLIER HAVE A TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP AS IT RELATES TO THE ALAMO AMENDMENTS PLAN INCLUDING A DISCUSSION ADAPTIVE REUSE OF HOTELS AND MOTELS FOR, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. CURRENTLY PROPERTIES THAT ARE DEVELOPED AS HOTELS AND MOTELS AND ARE NO LONGER SUITED FOR USE HAVE SOME LIMITED REUSE OPTIONS.

THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY GENERALLY INCLUDE OTHER COMMERCIAL RETAIL OR OFFICE USES GROUP LIVING RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES OF DENSITIES DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT. WE DID RECEIVE SOME DIRECTION PROVIDED BY COUNCIL AT THAT WORKSHOP AND TOWN STAFF HAS PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION LATER THIS MONTH FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE OF HOTELS AND MOTELS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING . WE HAVE INTRODUCED THAT AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT AMENDMENT WILL BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 19TH. WITHIN THAT TIMELINE APPLICANT OUR AMENDMENT WASN'T MOVING ALONG A TIMELINE THAT WORKED FOR THE APPLICANT MR. CHRIS BREEN AND SO THEY PROVIDED A

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THREE OF THOSE DISTRICTS ARE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS NINE OF THEM ARE MIXED USE DISTRICTS. THE PROPOSAL TO SUMMARIZE ALLOWS THAT CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING HOTEL AND MOTEL TO MULTIFAMILY AT A RATIO OF ONE GUESTROOM TO A ONE DWELLING UNIT. IF CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MET AND THOSE ARE DESCRIBED IN ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE THE CRITERIA THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT CONVERSION RATIO IS THAT THE EXISTING ROOMS ARE NOT PERMITTED BE REDUCED OR INCREASED IN SIZE IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS BUT IT IS PERMITTED TO COMBINE MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS INTO SMALL SINGULAR DWELLING UNIT. A CRITERIA IS THAT THERE'S A 6% MAXIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE DEDICATED TO INTERIOR COMMUNAL SPACE WITH SOME RESTRICTIONS WHERE ELEVATORS, HALLWAYS, STAIRWELLS AND OTHER AREAS USED FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS WOULD NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD THAT REQUIREMENT OF A UP TO A66 PERCENT MAXIMUM FOR THAT INTERIOR SPACE. THERE'S A CRITERIA PROPOSED FOR A MAXIMUM OPEN SPACE OF 10% OF THE BUILDING'S SQUARE FOOTAGE ALSO PROPOSED IS THAT NO LESS 25% OF THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE OCCUPIED BY AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT'S A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE OF A LICENSED BUSINESS WITHIN THE TOWN OF HILTON ISLAND.

THEY DO PROPOSED MINIMUM UNIT SIZES FOR THE CONVERSION THAT RANGE FROM 220 SQUARE FEET FOR A MICRO EFFICIENCY, 300 FOR A STUDIO, 420 FOR A ONE BEDROOM, 562 FEET FOR A TWO BEDROOM OR 698 FEET FOR A THREE BEDROOM. AND NOW WE'LL ANALYZE THIS PROPOSAL AND PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY. I THAT AS PROPOSED IT'S IT IS A USE THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED IN 12 OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS. WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS HOTELS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN SEVEN OF THOSE 12 DISTRICTS AND THOSE DISTRICTS ARE LISTED.

SO IT'S PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED USE IN FOUR HOUR EIGHT ARM 12 COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MEDICAL PD ONE AND C PINES CIRCLE DISTRICTS. BUT THOSE HOTELS ARE NOT PERMITTED USES WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS. WITHIN OUR CURRENT LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE WE INCLUDED A MAP OF EXISTING HILTON HEAD ISLAND HOTEL PROPERTIES FOR REFERENCE. THAT'S LOCATED UP ON THE SCREEN AND THE THE DENSITY COMPONENT OF THE CONVERSION IS DESCRIBED IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH. THE DENSITY WOULD BE CONFIGURED BY A CONVERSION RATIO OF AGAIN AS MENTIONED UP TO A ONE GUESTROOM TWO DWELLING UNIT DENSITY CONVERSION RATIO WITH WITH CONDITIONS THAT I HAD PRIOR PREVIOUSLY NAMED HOTEL DENSITY FOR THOSE THAT ARE BUILT FOR OUR CURRENT CODE ALLOWS 35 ROOMS PER NET ACRE OF THOSE 12 DISTRICTS WHERE THIS USE IS PROPOSED THEY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT RANGES FROM FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE UP TO 16 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS ADAPTIVE REUSE CONVERSION WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN RESIDENTIAL THAT EXCEED THOSE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY HAVE INTEREST IN CONVERSION OF THE DAYS INN HOTEL THAT IS 119 UNITS.

SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONVERT WITH THIS 1 TO 1 CONVERSION RATIO A PARCEL SIZE 3.75 ACRES THE EFFECTIVE DENSITY WOULD BE 1.71 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WE WOULD ROUND UP TO 32 WOULD BE THE EFFECTIVE DENSITY IN THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IF THEY COULD CONVERT AT A 1 TO 1 RATIO.

NEXT THERE IS A PARKING CONSIDERATION. THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT OF ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE PER EACH GUESTROOM.

THE LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCES FOR MULTIFAMILY REQUIRES OFF STREET PARKING AND RATIO

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1.7 SPACES FOR A TWO BEDROOM UNIT AND TWO SPACES FOR THREE OR MORE BEDROOM DWELLING UNITS . AND THEN THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS ADAPTIVE REUSE CONVERSION. THERE'S NO MINIMUM AMOUNT OF INTERIOR COMMUNAL OR EXTERIOR OPEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THERE AMENDMENT THE AMENDMENT WAS MAXIMUMS. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE CONVERSION THE AMENDMENT PROPOSES A MAXIMUM OF 6% OF THE BUILDING'S SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE INTERIOR COMMUNAL SPACE EXCLUDING ELEVATORS, HALLWAYS, STAIRWELLS AND THEN A MAXIMUM OF OPEN SPACE AND NOT A MINIMUM . TYPICALLY OUR CODE WOULD INCLUDE A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

WE WOULD WELCOME A NO NO CAP THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF COMMUNAL SPACE OR OPEN SPACE.

SO WE TYPICALLY IN THE CODE DON'T HAVE MAXIMUMS ALTHOUGH THERE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN'S WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM.

IT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT 25% OF THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ARE OCCUPIED BY AT LEAST ONE PERSON WHO IS EMPLOYED BY A LAWFULLY LICENSED BUSINESS WITHIN THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND. SO THIS THIS AMENDMENT HAD A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED BOTH THE PRESENTATION BY TOWN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND THE PUBLIC WAS PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. AFTER THE DELIBERATION THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED ON A53 VOTE RECOMMENDING DENIAL TO COUNCIL WITH THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN COME TOGETHER FOR A SOLUTION. SO THIS TEXT REQUEST IS COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON JANUARY 15 WE RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION VIA EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME MODIFICATIONS FROM THE AMENDMENT THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THOSE ARE OUTLINED BELOW. THEY IDENTIFIED TO CHANGE PERCENTAGE OF DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE REQUIRED THAT REQUIRE A AN OCCUPANT BE EMPLOYED.

THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD UP FROM 25% TO 75%. THEY ARE EXCLUDING LAUNDRY FACILITIES FROM COMMUNAL SPACES FROM FROM MEETING THE MATH THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT CRITERIA AND ALSO SUGGESTING THAT A LINE OF TEXT BE ADDED THAT SAYS EXISTING AND MOTEL LOBBIES ARE PERMITTED AS COMMUNAL SPACE IF THEY RENOVATED TO BE DEDICATED AS COMMUNAL LIVING SPACE DEDICATED TENANT USE. SO THESE CHANGES ARE ON THE SCREEN HERE THAT WERE COMMUNICATED AN ATTACHMENT WITHIN THIS AGENDA PACKET HAVE NOT YET BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TEXT AMENDMENT PROCEDURE INCLUDES A PROCESS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS AS . THEY HAVE MOVED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS AND ARE NOW BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL .

THE SECTION OF THE CODE HAS SOME OPTIONS FOR WHAT TOWN COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE. COUNCIL SHALL THE APPLICATION STAFF REPORT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE DECISION. IF THE APPLICATION APPLICANT A CHANGE OR DEPARTURE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT HAS TO FIRST BE SUBMITTED BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW SO I REVIEWED THE OPTIONS FOR COUNCIL WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND WE'VE OUTLINED THEM HERE TODAY AS PROPOSED.

THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT'S DRAFTED WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT LANGUAGE THAT WAS CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED.

SO ITEM NUMBER ONE AT FIRST READING YOU COULD APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS DELIVERED OR FIRST READING AND THEN IT WOULD ADVANCE FOR A SECOND READING. YOU COULD ALSO ADOPT A MOTION THAT DENIES THE TEXT AMENDMENT OR ITEM THREE. YOU COULD ADOPT A MOTION REMANDS THE TEXT AMENDMENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND A RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES AND DEPARTURES AND SO ARE SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT PARTY IS AS WELL AS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL IF THE

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I'M CHRIS BREEN FROM BLUE HOUR HOUSING. AS MENTIONED WE PROPOSED THIS TEXT AMENDMENT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR VIEWING IT ALL CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH TOWN STAFF OVER THE LAST YEAR TO PROPOSE A TAX AMENDMENT PATHWAY TO CONVERT HOTELS AND MOTELS HOUSING WHICH ARE FOCUSED ON HELPING HIS WORKFORCE. FOR SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE THESE CONVERSATIONS STARTED BACK IN THEIR PARENTS HOUSE UDC IN OCTOBER 2023 ON HOW TO DEVELOP WORKFORCE HOUSING ON HILTON HEAD WITH FOCUS ON CONVERTING UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES. THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE PROGRESSED OVER SINCE THAT TIME SINCE OCTOBER TURNING 23 WITH INPUT FROM TOWN STAFF TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EMPLOYERS AND THE BROADER. WE'VE HAD REALLY PRODUCTIVE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY APRIL MAY, JUNE JULY SEPTEMBER OCTOBER OF THIS PAST YEAR AND THEN INDIVIDUAL OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS. AS MENTIONED FORMAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING WORKSHOP OCCURRED SEPTEMBER 16TH OF THIS PAST YEAR OR THE IDEA OF CONVERTING HOTELS AND MOTELS TO APARTMENTS WAS FORMALLY TO TOWN COUNCIL.

OUR TOWN COUNCIL GAVE THE DIRECTION TO ON PROVIDING HOUSING FOR ALL ADDS WORKFORCE WHILE ENSURING AND DIRECTED STAFF TO CONTINUE PURSUIT OF THE HOTEL MOTEL CONVERSION PROGRAM. ON DECEMBER TWO MONTHS AGO WE BLEW OUR SUBMITTED AMENDMENT TO THE ALAMO AND PRESENTED THIS AMENDMENT TO TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION ON JANUARY 15TH OF 2025. FIRST TO ENSURE THIS AMENDMENT WOULD MOVE ON A TIMELINE THAT WORK FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. MESSAGE STATED AND SECOND TO INCORPORATE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE BELIEVE WILL MAXIMIZE DEVELOPERS ABILITY TO UTILIZE THIS AMENDMENT ALLOW FOR MORE HOTEL MOTEL CONVERSIONS INTO WORKFORCE HOUSING ON HILTON HEAD.

SO BOTH TIMING AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM. ON THE 15 MEETING TOWN STAFF ALSO BRIEF PLANNING COMMISSION A PROPOSED AMENDMENT AS PART OF THEIR LARGER PRIORITY AMENDMENT SET THAT INCLUDED TEN AMENDMENTS AT THIS MEETING. AS WE MENTIONED, PLANNING COMMISSION WAS REQUIRED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE AMENDMENT. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE THERE.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE THERE A BIT OF UNCERTAINTY ON HOW TO ADDRESS THE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN THERE THAT SAME DAY? SO THEY RECOMMENDED AND I ALSO HOPE WE CAN COME TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND ADJUST OUR AMENDMENT TO ASSURE ALIGNS WITH THE PREVIOUSLY STATED GOALS FROM TOWN COUNCIL WHICH. MANY OF YOU ARE MEMBERS OF THAT OF TOWN COUNCIL AT THAT WORKSHOP AND ENSURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE TOWN ON THE WORKFORCE HOUSING CONVERSION PROPOSALS. SINCE OUR MEETING WE'VE WORKED WITH TOWN PLANNING TO PUT TOGETHER WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED A THREE STEP PLAN HERE TO GO BACK BEFORE A PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AS MENTIONED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN THE EMAIL. WE MET WITH TOWN STAFF AFTER THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND HAD A PRODUCTIVE MEETING TO DISCUSS CHANGES TO OUR AMENDMENT AND TRY TO FIND WAYS TO BETTER ALIGN WITH WHAT TOWN STAFF HAD WAS PROPOSING IN THEIRS. SECOND, WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT TODAY TO TOWN COUNCIL TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON THAT AMENDMENT SO THAT WE HOPE TO COME BACK IN A MONTH.

WHEN WE COME BACK WE HAVE YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO INCORPORATE WHAT TOWN COUNCIL WHAT YOU ALL SHARE WITH US TODAY. AND THIRD, WE HOPE TO MEET WITH YOU AGAIN AFTER TODAY TO REFLECT ANY SUGGESTIONS OF TOWN COUNCIL AND ASSURED THAT THIS AMENDMENT PREVENTS ANY BAD ACTORS. WITH ALL THIS IN MIND WE ARE NOT HERE TODAY TO REQUEST AN APPROVAL OR DENIAL. THIS TEXT AMENDMENT. WE'RE HERE WITH THE REQUEST TO AMEND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AS REQUESTED BY PLANNING COMMISSION THIS ALLOW US TO WORK WITH STAFF TO AMEND THE TEXT AND ENSURE ALIGNMENT MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS A PROCESS WE'VE ALREADY STARTED AS I MENTIONED THAT JANUARY 17TH MEETING AND IS REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE CHANGES WE PROPOSED HERE TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WERE SHARED WITH TOWN COUNCIL AS A PART OF THAT EMAIL ATTACHMENT.

SHOULD THIS BE REMANDED ALLOWING TIME TO WORK WITH STAFF WE WOULD RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY THE DATE SILENT ON UP HERE AND THEN COME BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL MARCH FOR THOSE TWO MEETINGS TO KIND OF JUMP INTO THE BACKGROUND HERE FOR THIS AMENDMENT AND HOW WE HOW WE VIEW IT. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT HOUSING SHORTAGE OF HOUSING THE IMPACT THAT HAS ON HILTON HEAD THERE'S HUGE IMPACTS HERE OF HOUSING SHORTAGE. HOUSING IS ALSO A CORE COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE

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WITH ALL THIS SAID, WE BELIEVE THAT THE TAX AMENDMENT WILL FULFILL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S GOAL OF ATTAINING ADDITIONAL HOUSING SUPPLY OBTAINABLE EFFICIENCY UNITS THROUGH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WHICH IS HOTEL CONVERSIONS USING ZONING INCENTIVES THAT ADDITIONS INCREASE DENSITY AS MISSY MENTIONED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR TOWN FINDING THESE STUDIO AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS FOCUSED ON THE ISLAND'S WORKFORCE WILL ALLOW ESSENTIAL AND HOSPITALITY AND ALL SORTS OF WORKERS LIVE AFFORDABLY ON THE ISLAND WHICH IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS INCREASINGLY UNAVAILABLE. INCREASED HOUSING AVAILABILITY WILL REDUCE COMMUTE TIMES, LIVING CONDITIONS INCREASE SATISFACTION FOR THE ISLANDS, WORK WORKFORCE, ULTIMATELY REDUCING WORKER SHORTAGES AND IMPROVING LIVING CONDITIONS AND ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW. DO WE HAVE THE SLIDES THAT WERE PROPOSED? I THINK THEY WERE MAYBE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO OR NOT.

THERE WE GO. AWESOME SO I THOUGHT HANG ON 1/2, SHAWN LEININGER.

THANK YOU, MAYOR PERRY. MEMBERS TOWN COUNCIL SHORELINE, YOUR ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.

I JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT AS WE'RE PULLING UP THIS PRESENTATION AND WE RECEIVED THIS PRESENTATION TODAY SO TOWN STAFF IN THE PLANNING PARTICULARLY HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR FOR THEM.

YEAH. SO BASED OFF OF THAT SINCE IT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY ANYBODY ELSE I'M NOT GOING TO NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS PRESENTATION.

YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS HERE IN A MINUTE BUT I THINK THAT THE SENSE WE JUST THIS TODAY AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT WE NEED SOME TIME TO DO THAT.

OKAY. YEAH. I'M JUST TO TO SAY THAT THE PRESENTATION JUST SHOWS THE COMPARISON CHART THAT I AM SAYING I WAS JUST WALKING THROUGH THE COMPARISON. I CAN JUST IT OUT LOUD AND IT HAS JUST SOME PHOTOS OF WHAT HOTELS LOOK LIKE CONVERTED, ROOMS LOOK LIKE WHICH WE CAN SHARE.

SO I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENTS FROM THE ONE THAT WE PUT FORWARD THAN THE ONE FROM THE TOWN AND THEN A FEW OF THE DIFFERENCES AS WELL ON THE KEY SIMILARITIES AS TWO WERE PROPOSED WAS THE 1 TO 1 DENSITY CONVERSION TO THEM YOU KNOW MAXIMIZE AVAILABLE UNITS, REDUCE RENOVATION COSTS ,ENSURE AFFORDABILITY FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, PREVENTING REMOVAL OF WALLS, COMBINING UNITS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT DRIVE COSTS ALSO DRIVE RENT PRICES.

IMPORTANTLY, NO SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALLOWED. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT HERE. THE ZONING DISTRICTS I KNOW IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED I WE REALLY ALIGNED THOSE WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM AND JUST USE THE SAME ONES THERE'S ONLY TO EXISTING HOTELS SO IF HOTELS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE BUILT THERE THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'RE HAPPY TO REMOVE THE DISTRICTS THAT HOTELS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE BUILT. THERE'S NO LIMIT ON MICRO EFFICIENCY UNITS AS STATED IN THEIRS AS WELL. AND THEN THE 6% INTERIOR COMMON SPACE REPORT AND 10% SHARE OF COMMON SPACE. WE ARE FULLY IN ALIGNMENT TOWN THAT WE WANT THOSE TO BE

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TO HIGHLIGHT OF THE DIFFERENCES WE CREATED THIS AMENDMENT AS A CITY A STANDALONE SECTION VERSUS TRYING TO AMEND THE WORKFORCE TAX AMENDMENT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A CLEANER WAY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT APPLIES DIRECTLY TO HOTELS AND MOTELS AND NOT EVERY OTHER WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT ON THE ISLAND SO IT WAS LIKE A REALLY SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY TO CALL THIS OUT FOR AND MOTELS TO THE CONFUSION THERE WENT WITH A 1 TO 1 PARKING RATIO.

THE REALITY IS THESE HOTELS PROBABLY ALREADY ARE AT THEIR MAXIMUM COVERAGE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO ADD PARKING AND GIVEN THE EFFICIENCIES TO ALL THE UNITS THE FACT THAT MANY FOLKS MAY NOT EVEN HAVE CARS WE THINK 1 TO 1 IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT TO GO WITH OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND INABILITY TO REALLY ADD PARKING.

AS WE MENTIONED WE ARE INTENDING TO WHEN WE REWRITE THIS TEXTURE TO HAVE 75% OF THE UNITS RESERVED OR REQUIRED THAT ONE PERSON A MINIMUM OF ONE PERSON MUST WORK ON ON THAT ISLAND. THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT TO SECURE THIS FOR HILTON WORKFORCE. WE DIDN'T GO TO 100% BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHERE SOMEBODY LOSES A JOB. SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO MOVE HERE OUT OF SCHOOL AND NOT HAVE A JOB YET SOMEBODY MAY RETIRE. THERE'S ALL OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE SOMEBODY OUT OF HOUSING IF SOMEBODY GETS A A SLIGHT BONUS AT WORK, A FEW MORE DOLLARS AN HOUR, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THEIR HOUSING SO WE LIKE WE DID THE 75% OR WE THINK BE 100% TO BE CLEAR HERE. BUT WE DID THE 75% FOR THAT REASON.

THE OTHER DIFFERENCE IS AS I SAID, WE HAVE AN ARMY RESTRICTION ON HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE OR SOMEBODY THAT MAKES MARGINALLY PEOPLE ALL SORTS OF JOBS ON THE ISLAND THAT YOU KNOW, MAYBE JOBS FOR FOR THE TOWN OR FOR SOME FOR HOSPITALITY WHERE THEY MAY NOT MAKE ENOUGH TO EVEN LIVE IN THE UNIT. WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO JUST FOCUS ON THAT.

THEY WERE WORKING HERE ON THE ISLAND AND THEN BECAUSE OF THIS THERE'S REAL ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENT. THE REQUIREMENT IS TO VERIFY THAT SOMEBODY WORKS ON THE ISLAND WHICH IS A WE BELIEVE IS SIMPLER THAN CONSISTENTLY CHECKING SOMEONE'S INCOME WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING MULTIPLE ALL THESE OTHER PIECES WHICH WE ALSO BELIEVE IT'S A BURDENSOME THING THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM THE TOWN HAS TO APPROVE EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT GETS THAT GETS IT WANTS TO IN A WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE TOWN HAS TO PREVENT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S REALLY THE MECHANISMS THERE SO WE JUST THINK WHY DON'T MAKE IT WORK YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK ON THE ISLAND AND THAT WE THINK THAT'S THE BEST MECHANISM SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BRING THAT TODAY AND THEN ONE LAST CHANGES WE JUST AND WE WROTE IN THE AMENDMENT THAT IT MUST THE THE BUILDING CODE IS THE INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE AS CURRENTLY ADOPTED THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO MAKE SURE IT'S FOCUSED ON EXISTING BUILDINGS. IT'S FOR EXISTING MOTELS AND HOTELS AND IT'S ALSO THE CURRENT ONE. SO IF IT CHANGES IT BECOMES MORE RESTRICTIVE AND IS ADOPTED BY YOU ALL IN FLOWS HERE THROUGH HERE WITH THIS AMENDMENT I WAS SHARING SOME PHOTOS WITH YOU. WE HAVE PRETTY RENDERINGS I THINK WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU OF WHAT THESE UNITS CAN LOOK LIKE AND DO LOOK LIKE THROUGHOUT THE U.S. WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE CORE PIECES OF THIS TAX AMENDMENT ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL LEAD TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF HOTELS.

WORKFORCE HOUSING WILL ALLOW HILTON HEAD WORKFORCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AFFORDABLY ,THE ISLAND TO CLOSE AND BEFORE I BRIEFLY PASS IT OFF HERE TO ALAN WOLF AS WELL, I WANT TO REITERATE WE ARE ASKING TOWN COUNCIL TO REMAND THIS TEXT AMENDMENT BACK TO THE PLANNING ALLOWING US TO WORK WITH TOWN STAFF TO INCORPORATE ALL FEEDBACK TODAY AND FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND INCORPORATE ALL THAT FEEDBACK TO THEN GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY PASS IT BACK FROM HERE TO ALAN WOLF WHO'S REPRESENTING CHURCH GROUP AND HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING WITH US TO ADVANCE HIS ALAMO AMENDMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. IT'S VERY GOOD AS AN ADVOCATE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING BLUE HOUR HOUSING GOT MY PHONE NUMBER SOMEHOW SO I WAS HAPPY TO FILL THEM IN ON SOME OF WHAT WE

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WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES ON HILTON HEAD THAT WERE UNDERPERFORMING HOTEL WISE AND WE THAT THEY LOOK INTO THOSE AND THAT'S HOW WE FOUND THIS PATH TOWARDS THE CONVERSION AMENDMENT THE BUSINESS FEEDBACK FROM OUR HOTEL OPERATORS AND RESORT OPERATORS WAS FANTASTIC.

LAST YEAR AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WE HAD ALL THE HEADS OF THE RESORTS THE ISLAND IN ONE ROOM. THE DEMAND FOR THIS SORT OF UNIT IN VERY HIGH DEMAND BECAUSE THERE ARE CENTRALIZED TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITIES HOTEL RESORT OPERATORS AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT CURRENTLY THEY'RE LIVING IN MORE A GROUP LIVING SCENARIO.

SO THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF ONE IN TWO PEOPLE IN A BEDROOM VERSUS AND MORE FOR THE SURGE RESTAURANT GROUP IN PARTICULAR AS WITH OTHER EMPLOYERS WE HAVE A CHICKEN AND EGG SCENARIO WE CANNOT CURRENTLY GET J-1 OR H-2B VISA WORKERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE HOUSING UNITS AND YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR ONE OF EACH TO BE VISA WORKERS UNLESS YOU HAVE HOUSING IN ADVANCE.

SO THIS WOULD OPEN UP A NEW FRONTIER FOR MANY EMPLOYERS ACROSS THE ISLAND AND I THINK IT'S AN IDEAL SETTING FOR STUDENTS. WE WANT TO SEE THE HOSPITALITY SCHOOL THRIVE AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE THE RIGHT SIZE ROOMS FOR STUDENTS WHO WANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND MAKE HOSPITALITY PART EDUCATION PATH. THE MARKET HAS SELECTED THIS FOR HOUSING THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE ADVOCATING AND USING THIS SPACE FOR LONG TERM HOUSING SO . WE BELIEVE THAT THE SPACE THE MARKET IS DEEMED THAT THIS SPACE IS DESIRABLE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD WHO WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT AND LASTLY I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALSO TO CONSIDER THAT REQUEST FOR ROMANCE IF WE CAN.

RAPOPORT FUTON WITH YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR COMIC KIM.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WITH YOU? MEGAN FITZPATRICK HI AGAIN.

SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION EARLIER MEGHAN FITZPATRICK ASHTON CO I DID SOME RESEARCH ON BLUE HOUR HOUSING THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT BLEW OUR BLUE OUR HOUSING OUT OF NEW YORK IS A VERY YOUNG SUBSIDIARY OF CLOUD LAND CAPITAL BASED OUT OF NEW YORK CLOUD LAND CAPITAL REAL ESTATE PRIVATE EQUITY FIRM WAS FOUNDED IN 2021 BY THREE HARVARD GRADUATES IN THEIR LATE TWENTIES. JONATHAN DOLLAR, MATTHEW CORA AND JAMES GLEESON BLUE OUR HOUSING OF THREE PARTNERS MATTHEW CARL ALSO APPLIED LAND JOSHUA FORGEY AND MR. BRAIN ALL BASED OUT OF NEW YORK BLUE OUR HOUSING IS INCREDIBLY INEXPERIENCED IN CONVERTING EXISTING HOTELS AND MOTELS INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN. FACT THEY ONLY HAVE TWO PROPOSED PROJECTS ONE IN A REMAIN, THE OTHER IN LEADVILLE, COLORADO AND NEITHER HAS BEEN CONVERTED. THE RAMADA INN CATTERY CONSISTS OF 108 UNITS AND IT IS VALUED AT 3.2 MILLION BLUE OUR FIRST APPROACHED THE TOWN OF KITTERY ONLY IN OCTOBER OF 2024 BARELY THREE MONTHS AGO. THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD ON JANUARY 9TH OF THIS YEAR THAT WAS PURELY A CONCEPTUAL MEETING. SECOND PROPOSED PROJECT IS THE SILVER KING IN LEADVILLE, COLORADO. ALSO IN ITS INFANCY STAGE BLUE HOUR PROPOSED THE CONVERSION THIS HOTEL TO LEADVILLE COUNTY COUNCIL IN APRIL OF 2024.

THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN MAY 2024 AND CONSISTS OF ONLY 56 UNITS BLUE OUR HOPE TO HAVE UNITS CONVERTED BY THE END OF 2024 BUT THAT DID NOT HAPPEN .

IN FACT BLUE HOUR AND PEP CLUB ON CAPITAL ONLY OBTAINED A FIVE YEAR FIXED RATE LOAN OF 5 MILLION ON JANUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO FROM AN ENTITY CALLED JLL CAPITAL FOR THE SILVER KING PROPERTY. I SHARE THIS RESEARCH WITH YOU. I'M QUITE CONCERNED WITH BLUE HOURS, LACK OF EXPERIENCE AND FUNDING DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR HILTON HEAD ON JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THE COMMISSION VOTED TO DECLINE BLUE HOURS APPLICATION.

I HOPE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS RESEARCH THAT I CONDUCTED AT THAT MEETING MR. BREEN MENTIONED INTERNATIONAL WORKERS SEVERAL INSINUATING THAT THEY WOULD BE THE CANDIDATES FOR THE FIVE PROPOSED HOTELS AND MOTELS THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE CONVERTED ON THIS ISLAND. INTERESTINGLY INTERESTINGLY THERE WERE ONLY FOUR H-1B APPROVED VISAS ON HILTON HEAD IN 2024 AND 527 EACH TO BE VISAS IN 2024 ON THE ISLAND.

AND INTERESTINGLY NONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS WERE MADE BY SERGE WITH MY RESEARCH.

SO IN CONCLUSION AS A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER I WOULD DECLINED TO GET IN BUSINESS WITH AN UNPROVEN EXPERIENCED ENTITY. ONE LAST THING DURING THE JANUARY 15 PUBLIC PUBLIC PLANNING MEETING AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SERGE STOOD UP AND SAID THAT THE TOWN CONTACTED HIM ON BEHALF OF BLUE HOUR I WANT TO KNOW WHO MADE THAT.

THAT CONNECTION WAS A BLUE HOUR THAT CONTACTED THE TOWN OR THE TOWN CONTACT BLUE HOUR BEING SO INEXPERIENCED. THANK YOU THANK YOU. NEXT.

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YOU MUST VOTE NO TO THIS REQUEST. THE REQUEST DOES NOT REMOTELY FIT INTO YOUR OWN STATED GUIDELINES FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY DISTRICT PLAN MEETINGS. WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT REGARDING THIS USE IN THOSE DISTRICTS? ALSO THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM WHICH MEANS MARKET RATE RENTS AMONG OTHER THINGS. WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR ZONING DISTRICTS 12 ZONING DISTRICTS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ALAMO AMENDMENT WHEN SEVEN OUT OF THE 12 DON'T EVEN ALLOW HOTELS? I KNOW HE ADDRESSED THAT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT BUT NOT UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. DON'T ACT IN HASTE. PLEASE STICK TO YOUR OWN GUIDELINES AND SAY NO TO THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANKS, KIM. LARRY BOYLE BOYLE, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING TO SPEAK. MR. MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALSO THE TOWN MANAGER. THANK YOU. I HAVE JUST BECOME AWARE OF THIS AND MY WIFE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. SHE'S HOME SICK AND WE BOTH HAVE A VERY LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A SIMILAR MINDSET AS I DO NOW THAT I'M A RESIDENT OF HILTON HEAD AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU PLEASE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO APPROVE HERE.

I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO DENY IT. MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT FUN IN A DORMITORY ROOM. I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE READ AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS WHO WOULD YOU BE BRINGING IN AND IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN VISA WORKERS I MEAN ARE WE BRINGING THE RIGHT TYPE OF PEOPLE IN HERE TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S A WEALTHY COMMUNITY. AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME. I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT DRUGS. I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION WHO'S GOING TO POLICE THESE AREAS? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER. I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT MAYBE YOU DO A STUDY AS DID ALREADY. THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ALL INCLUSIVE THEN WHERE HAS THIS HAPPENED? HOW HAS IT HAPPENED AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SIDE EFFECTS GOOD OR BAD? I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING TO BE BAD BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING THE WRONG ELEMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. SO YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. AND I WOULD JUST SAY ONE THING I'VE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF COUNCILS A MEETING NEVER GETS OVER QUICKLY SO I REALLY APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING AND DOING THE JOB YOU DO. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL DO ME A FAVOR AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO PLEASE. MY NAME IS LARRY BOYLE.

I LIVE AT 43 GLOUCESTER. THANK YOU. SO WHO'S GOING TO COME VISIT ME? GO BACK. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT TO GRAY SMITH. HELLO. I FOUR QUESTIONS FOR TOWN COUNCIL FROM THE RESIDENTS FIVE IF POSSIBLE. OH, OKAY, LOU.

OUR VENTURES IS A VENTURE CAPITAL FIRM LOCATED OUT OF STATE INVOLVED IN PRIMARILY CARE RELATED VENTURES 15 VENTURES CURRENT THREE EXITS. NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA OF HOTEL AND CURRENTLY. CAN'T REMEMBER THREE VENTURES AS MEGAN TALKED ABOUT NONE OF THEM EVEN STARTED. AND SO MY QUESTION FIRST QUESTIONS WHY DO WE WANT TO ALLOW HILTON HEAD ISLAND TO BE ONE OF THE THREE GUINEA PIGS FOR A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE? NUMBER TWO SINCE WHEN DOES THE TOWN COUNCIL PERMIT AN EXTERNAL CORPORATION TO AUTHOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO OUR LIMO? ISN'T THAT THE RESPONSIBLE CITY OF OUR TOWN STAFF? NUMBER THREE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS THEY WROTE IT APPLIES TO ALL 12 DISTRICTS.

THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER. THERE'S ONLY HOTELS IN FIVE DISTRICTS.

NUMBER ALTHOUGH THIS VENTURE CAPITAL COMPANY HAS NO EXPERIENCE WITH PROJECTS

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A A VERY CLOSE TO US EAST OF MELROSE. A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE.

IT WAS BUILT IN 2002 AS AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. WAS CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS IN 2018. WELL MY WITH THE BLUFFTON POLICE IS ONGOING.

I CAN SAY THAT ARE REPORTS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES SPECIFICALLY DRUGS PROSTITUTION TAKING PLACE AT THIS LOCATION. THERE ARE ALREADY A FEW HIGH CRIME AREAS ON HILTON HEAD.

WHY DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF ADDING ADDITIONAL ONES? NUMBER FIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REJECTED THE PROPOSAL 5 TO 3 AT THEIR LAST MEETING. WHY HAS IT BEEN PLACED ON THE TOWN AGENDA BEFORE THE CORPORATION COUNTER PROPOSED OR COULD BE CONSIDERED AGAIN BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WHY DO WE HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THANK YOU.

YOU KIM NEXT. JOHN SMART. SMART ALEC RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. TOWN COUNCIL. MR. TOWN MANAGER.

MY NAME IS JOHN MARRS LEE. I LIVE IN HILLHEAD. I'M HERE TO ASK FOR A NO VOTE ON THE TEXT AMENDMENT. YOU? PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE THIS IDEA IS TOTALLY WITH THE NATURE OF OUR ISLAND. NOR IS IT A STEPPING STONE TOWARD THE CURRENT VISION WE HAVE AS A WORKFORCE HOUSING SOLUTION.

THE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU ARE CONTEMPLATING IS CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HILTON HEAD LIFESTYLE IS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. THIS DUNGEON STYLE PROPOSAL IF PASSED, MIGHT SURPASS BEAUFORT COUNTY'S STACK A SHACK DEBACLE OF 1982. IS THIS A QUALITY OF LIFE.

DOES THIS COUNCIL WANT TO BE REMEMBERED FOR THAT. THIS IS THIS IS SIMPLY AN BY OUTSIDE VENTURE CAPITALISTS TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK AND SURGE TO RENTALS FOR THEIR H-2B VISAS.

WE FOUND OUT. AS MR. WILLIAMS POINTED OUT DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC THE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS A DISSERVICE TO THE TOWN BASED MARKET RATE CONCESSIONS THAT COULD LEAD TO 35 UNITS PER ACRE DOUBLING THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT IS PERMITTED NOW.

AND THIS WAS A WIN WIN FOR SURGE BUT NOT FOR THE TOWN. THE TEXT AMENDMENT FAILED AT PLANNING COMMISSION BLUE HOUR THEN EMAILED YOU SOME PALTRY CONCESSIONS THAT DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE VISION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING ON HILTON HEAD.

I HOPE YOU ARE BRAVE ENOUGH NOT TO. I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THAT CONFUSE ME. ONE WHY IS THIS EVEN ON THE AGENDA? DO YOU NOT HAVE A BEST IN CLASS STAFF WORKING ON LIMO CHANGES WHICH INVOLVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMPONENT TOO? DOES THIS IDEA CREATE A FAMILY VACATION PARADOX THAT IS A POTENTIAL DECREASE MID-PRICED HOTEL ROOMS AVAILABLE FOR THE WORKING CLASS FAMILIES PRICING OUT FAMILIES FROM VISITING THE ISLAND WOULD BE A MISTAKE AND THREE WHO IS IN TOWN INTRODUCE BLUE HOUR TO SURGE AS MR. JORDAN HAS HAPPENED TO SAY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT WAS BRUTE FORCE TO MAKE TOWN COUNCIL TAKE UP THE QUESTION TODAY. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO TAKE THE ADVICE OF YOUR TOWN STAFF, YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MR. CHESTER WILLIAMS AND THE PEOPLE REPRESENT TO DENY THE TEXT AMENDMENT TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, KIM.

NEXT. THAT'S ALL THAT ITEM ALL RIGHT? SO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR.. I THINK THE CONCEPT OR CONVERSION OF MOTELS THAT ARE NOT MARKET EFFICIENCY ANY LONGER IS A GOOD ONE.

WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS PATH AS SOMETHING DESIRABLE TO CONSIDER FOR SOME TIME NOW.

A NUMBER OF THEM FOR THAT I NEED TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR A QUICK SECOND BECAUSE KIM WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE? MR. CAMPBELL SAID HE FILLED OUT AN ONLINE FORM.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT BUT HE'S OKAY. HE'S SIGNED FOR THIS ITEM.

WELL, THE TECHNOLOGY IS WHAT IT IS. WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS WITH INTERNET OUTAGES. SO COME ON UP.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. ALFORD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, TOWN MANAGER CAMPBELL 15 PAINTED BUNTING ON HEAD. I'M HERE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I'M NOT HERE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. I AM ON THE BOARD OF CC DC SO FULL FULL DISCLOSURE BUT I'M NOT REPRESENTING CC DC THAT ORGANIZATION NOT ADDRESSED THIS PROJECT IN ANY MANNER.

SO JUST AS A CITIZEN WE'VE ALL BEEN ADVOCATES OF HOUSING AND PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND

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WE NEED TO SERVE AS YOU ALL KNOW, ALL ASPECTS OF HOUSING, ALL PRICE LEVELS.

THIS SEEMS TO TAKE AN EXISTING USE THAT'S THERE AND CONVERT FROM OCCUPANCY THAT OCCURS PERIODICALLY TWORKFORCE HOUSINGR AREAS. I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THE AMA IS BECOMING IS NOT INVOLVED HERE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

THAT ADDS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY. I THINK THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE WORKFORCE AND THAT THAT BE AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ENFORCED WHETHER IT SHOULD BE 75% 95% A DISCUSSION POINT. SO I REALLY THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE'RE COMMITTED TO ALL LEVELS AND IT'S HARD REALLY, REALLY HARD TO GET WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR LOWER INCOME PEOPLE. THIS WILL ACCOMPLISH THAT AND WHETHER IT'S 75, 85, 95, THAT'S A LOT OF UNITS BEING ADDED AND .

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IT VERY SERIOUSLY AND TO DO IT ON AN EXPEDITED BASIS BECAUSE THESE PRIVATE OPPORTUNITY DON'T COME ALONG EVERY DAY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAVE ONE MORE THAT SIGNED UP UNDER DO NOT AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. OKAY.

CHRIS RUFFNER RIGHT. I'M CHRIS RUFFNER WITH THE HARBOR.

THIS IS WHY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE LIKE AFTER EACH ITEM IF WE CAN SAY IF THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE TO KNOW WHETHER WE WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OR NOT.

SO I JUST SIGNED. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE JUST LISTENING TO THE OTHERS I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF USING ABANDONED HOTELS AND MOTELS BUT NOW HEARING OF OTHERS I'M THINKING THE ONE GENTLEMAN WAS RIGHT TRAVELERS ARE A LITTLE MORE AFFLUENT NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST WORKERS BUT I THINK THEY COULD GO OUT TO HARDY VILLE AND DRIVE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID I'M FROM CHICAGO AND, YOU KNOW, DRIVE IN 10 MINUTES TO WORK. IT WOULD BE A DREAM SOMETIMES IT WAS 3 HOURS THE WEATHER WAS BAD SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING SET UP A LITTLE FURTHER.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO MANY POLICE INCIDENTS GOING ON. YOU KNOW WOMEN, GETTING ROBBED IN PARKING LOTS AND ACID THROWN ON THEM. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WE HAD ALL THIS GOING ON AND THERE'S A GAS STATION OFF THE ISLAND IS NOW HAS GRAFFITI ON IT I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS ARE TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT MONSTROSITY DOWN THAT THING'S CAVING IN AND THEN ALSO YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE INTO EFFECT TRAVELERS COME AND GO. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SCHOOL AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN THEY COME IN TO A HOTEL OR OTHER SERVICES.

IF YOU HAVE YOU'RE ADDING ALL THESE PEOPLE NOW IF THEY HAVE CHILDREN WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING SEX AND THEY HAVE CHILDREN NOW WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SCHOOLS FOR THEM.

WE'VE GOT TO HAVE POLICE EXTRA AND IT JUST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

SO TRAVELERS THEY COME IN, SPEND THEIR MONEY AND THEY GET OUT OF HERE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN. WE NEED MORE FOR THEM AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A BURDEN ON TAXPAYER. THANK I DO IT MYSELF. AND YOU WERE YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE. YES. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMAND AS INDICATED OPTION THREE AND THE MATERIALS PRESENTED TO US FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE ALREADY INDICATED THAT WE AS A TOWN THAT WE THINK IT IS DESIRABLE TO CONVERT MOTEL OPERATIONS AND RATHER THAN LEAVE THEM AS THEY ARE AND A DECAYING SITUATION. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION HERE WHERE THE APPLICANT PROPOSALS THE STAFF'S PROPOSALS ARE NOT THE SAME AND I HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE THAT. THE STAFF HAS MORE IN THE WAY OF POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER AND THERE ARE CERTAINLY AS INDICATED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION OF THE TERMS. SO I IT IS PREMATURE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL WILL HAVE FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CONSIDER IT LATER ON. NOTHING THAT WE DO BY REMAINING WOULD PRECLUDE ANYTHING BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT SO I WOULD MOVE TO REMAND.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND OR SECOND DEBT MOTION? IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SURE IS. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON MY AGENDA THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE BUT I ALSO HAVE NO NO ASKING WHAT IF THERE'S A SECOND MOTION? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR I THINK IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND WITH THE RECOMMENDATION DENIAL BASED OFF OF YOUR NO BUT THEN I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

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SO THAT IS MY AMENDMENT. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND AMENDMENT? YES, THERE'S A SECOND VERSE FOR ALL THE CLARIFICATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING PROTOCOL ON THIS CORRECTLY. I'M LOOKING AT THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S PUZZLE AND SO I WANT TO ASK ABOUT IT AS WELL. YEAH, I AM A LITTLE PUZZLED.

YOU DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT TO APPROVE. SEEMS LIKE YOU NOW HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND IT TO RESOLUTION TO REMAND BOTH. ONE OF THEM THERE'S THE MOTION TO REMAND IS ON THE FLOOR. IF I UNDERSTOOD MISS BECKER CORRECTLY, SHE HAS NOW MADE A MOTION TO AMEND THE ENTIRE MOTION AND CHANGE IT FROM ONE TO REMAND TO ONE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO. THAT'S CORRECT. DID I GET THAT INSPECTORS? YES, I READ THAT THAT THAT NOW HAS A SECOND COURT AND SO I THINK WE ARE I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S PROBABLY NOT HOW I I'D HAVE DONE BUT I'VE PASSED ENOUGH.

BUT I MEAN I THINK COUNCIL NOW A MOTION TO AMEND WITH A SECOND BEFORE IT COUNTS OR TO ITS DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO AMEND AND TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS THE INITIAL MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY MR. ALFRED ALFORD. GOT IT.

SO DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION I HEARD. SURE.

THERE'S SOMETHING I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE.

THERE'S A LOT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S COVERED SO THAT EVERYONE WHO'S MAKING THIS DECISION CAN LISTEN AND HEAR WHY I MADE THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO AND ASK FOR DENIAL.

FIRST WE'VE HEARD SOME INFORMATION ABOUT BLUE HOUR AND THAT'S CONCERNING.

WE KNOW OF SOME OTHER INSTANCES RIGHT HERE ON HILTON HEAD WHERE WE DON'T HAVE GOOD MANAGEMENT THAT HAS BECOME A PROBLEM FOR US THAT WE WILL ADDRESS LATER IN EXECUTIVE.

AND WHEN I RECALL SAYING THAT GOOD MANAGERS LET ME LET ME SPEAK FIRST TO THE IDEA THAT IS NO ONE IN CHARGE OF THIS PROPERTY THERE IS NO ONE IN CHARGE OF US ASSUMING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOCUMENTING WHO'S LIVING IN THESE WHAT THEIR EMPLOYMENT STATUS IS AND AND OR ANY OF THE LIKE THAT CONTRARY TO WHAT WE HEARD FROM MR. GREEN IS NOT THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY. WE IN FACT UNDER OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING POLICY REQUIRE THAT ANY WORKFORCE HOUSING ENTITY PROVIDE THE TOWN WITH THEIR DOCUMENTATION AS AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THEY INDEED HAVE CHECKED THOSE PARAMETERS AND THAT THOSE LIVING WITHIN THE WORKFORCE UNITS MEET THOSE CRITERIA. SO THAT'S A SIMPLE PROCESS THAT DOES NOT ON THE TOWN THE TOWN IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF HOUSING. WE NOT HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY DEVELOPER TO DO SUCH A THING. AND SO THAT THAT'S POINT ONE.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT ACTUALLY HAD ITS ORIGINS BACK IN OCTOBER 4TH OF 2024 WHEN THE TOWN WAS FIRST APPROACHED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND I PRE-APPLICATION MEETING AND DURING THAT PRE-APPLICATION MEETING THE FULL STAFF DEPARTMENTS ON HILTON HEAD SIT AND THEY LOOK AT AN APPLICATION THEY GIVE THEM FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT'S GOOD WHAT'S NOT SO AND PLACES WHERE THEY CAN CHOOSE TO IMPROVE THAT PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WAS FULL OF REASONS WHY THE TOWN WOULD ULTIMATELY DENY

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AND THE ISLAND PACKET WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT SOME POINT AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT IS I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR A MAILING TO AFFECTED PROPERTY BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN 350 FEET. I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED INCREASING BUT WITH THIS TEXT AMENDMENT ALSO REQUIRED TYPE OF PUBLIC NOTICE BY EMAILING NO IT NOT A TEXT AMENDMENT REQUIRES A 30 DAY PUBLISHED DATE IN THE PAPER OF CIRCULATION AND THAT'S ALL.

SO I THINK IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE THAT ALL OF THOSE SURROUNDING AREAS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MAILING NOTICES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY A DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OR CHANGING USE OR A ZONE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SINCE THAT'S PART OF OUR CONVERSATION REGARD TO LAND MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IT AS A PROBLEM AND A NEED AT THIS POINT FOLKS WHO LIVE WITHIN THAT 350 OR 500 FEET HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN AND THEY VERY WELL MAY HAVE MISSED THE THE PACKET 30 DAY NOTICE AND THAT'S WHY AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING THERE REALLY WASN'T ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AND I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT THIS TEXT COMMENT WELL IT CAME OUT OF PRE-APPLICATION WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES. IT ALSO WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED IT. AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS GO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU BUT ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE HAS WORKED ENDLESSLY HOURS, WEEKS AND MONTHS ON CREATING A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT ADDRESSES VERY ISSUE.

WITH REGARD TO HOTEL HOTEL CONVERSIONS AND WITH RESPECT TO THE TOWN STAFF WHO HAS IN THAT TIME THAT EFFORT AND HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL OUR CONCERNS I THINK YOU'RE IN DENIAL RECOMMENDATION NEEDS TO BE HEARD BY THIS COUNCIL ALSO AND I DON'T I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IN THE REPORT TODAY THAT STAFF DID WE RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THEIR CONVERSATION AND INTRODUCTION TO THIS ALSO DENIED THE RECOMMENDED DENIAL BY THIS BODY AND SO THAT'S WHY I MAKE THE MOTION ASKING THIS TOWN COUNCIL TO DENY THIS TEXT AMENDMENT THAT THE STAFF THE APPLICANT HAS PUT FORWARD.

WHAT I'M NOT SAYING IS THAT WE STOP THE FORWARD PROGRESS THAT THE TOWN STAFF HAS MADE BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ONCE IT'S A DENIAL THAT THE APPLICANT COMES AND WORKS CLOSELY WITH TOWN STAFF TO HEAR WHAT THOSE OBJECTIONS FROM DAY ONE HAVE BEEN AND TO LISTEN TO THOSE US WHO HAVE OBJECTIONS TODAY AND THOSE THAT YOU HEARD FROM CITIZENS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY RECOMMEND DENIAL. IT DOESN'T CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOUR IDEA THIS MUST COME THOUGH SO THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH OUR TOWN STAFF AND SO THAT'S THAT AND IF I MAY THEN GO ON TO POINT OUT SOME PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE WITH IT PERSONALLY WE R&D AND YOU'VE HEARD SOMEONE MENTION WORKING ON DISTRICT PLANS A MASTER PLAN FOR THE ISLAND ALSO SOMETHING TOWN STAFF, TOWN COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY HAS NOW BEEN DONE TO BEGIN ENGAGED ON SO THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THEM IF WE WERE TO STEP IN AND ALLOW A TEXT

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THAT'S MY WAY OF DOING THAT IS TO 38 POTENTIAL PEOPLE LIVING ON THAT PROPERTY UNKNOWN KNOWN TO EACH OTHER. BUT I WON'T GO BACK AND REFERENCE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKFORCE HOUSING AS MENTIONED JUST HERE TONIGHT YOU MENTIONED THREE TIMES MR. GREEN THREE TIMES THAT THESE LIVABLE CONDITIONS THESE ARE LIVABILITY AND THEN YOU REFERRED BACK TO THAT OTHERWISE THEY WOULD BE LIVING IN POOR LIVING CONDITIONS. ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT 210 SQUARE FEET WHICH BY THE WAY IS LIKE A SINGLE CAR GARAGE WITH A BUNK BED AND A CHAIR AND TWO CHAIRS AND A AND A TABLE SMALL TABLE. THIS IS LIVABLE CONDITIONS. THIS IS WHAT HILTON HEAD IS AFTER. NOW I THINK ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS THAT STAFF HAS HAD IS BECAUSE THE TOWN IN FACT ALL OF US HAVE COMMITTED OURSELVES TO PROVIDING WELL LIVING LIVABLE CONDITIONS PLACES WHERE WE CAN GROW COMMUNITY PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GENERALLY BEGIN THEIR LIVES ON HILTON HEAD THIS IS NOT A PLACE THAT DOES ANY OF THAT.

YOU'VE COMPLETELY AT EVERY MEETING HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SO ALL OF THOSE WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING DO NOT BE FOOLED. THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FIRM WHO HAS TOLD US THIS IS MARKET WAY WHO IS FOLLOWING OUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES NEEDING TO GET LOANS INVESTMENT EQUITY FIRMS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING ON A QUICK RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT THE HIGHEST RATE COMING BACK TO THEM SO YOU CANNOT YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A I AM I AM I OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE YOU MUST AS YOU'VE SAID OFFER A MARKET RATE CONDITION AND THAT IS CONCERNING AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO ANYONE WHO IS THINKING WORKFORCE AND JUMPING AT IT AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ONE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL EVERY TIME YOU JUMP AT THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE THE TERM IN ALL CASES AND THEY BELIEVE IN THIS ONE I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SO PARKING I KNOW THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING BUT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH PARKING NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THOUGH I'VE HEARD IT SAID THESE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE CARS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE BIKES.

DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE.

MOREOVER, IF THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN EVERY UNIT THAT DOES THIS, MY ASSUMPTION WILL BE THAT IS TWO PEOPLE WITH TWO CARS, RIGHT? SO NOW WE NEED DOUBLE THE PARKING MINIMALLY AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN ACCOUNT FOR WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY HAVE A GUEST OR

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IMAGINE A 210 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WHERE YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW AND SHARING A SPACE WITH AND YOU WANT TO HAVE CUP OF COFFEE AND READ THE PAPER A CHAPTER IN YOUR BOOK WHERE DO YOU DO IT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MINIMALISM AND MAXIMUMS OF COMMUNAL SPACE WHERE IS ALL THAT LIFE THAT THAT LIFE THAT YOU CALL GOOD LIVING CONDITIONS AND THE REST WHERE IS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING OUTSIDE ON WHAT I CALL THE CATWALK BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO SPILL OUT. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE CONCRETE OUTSIDE THE DOORS AND, EVERYWHERE ELSE. SO THOSE MAXIMUM MINIMUMS ARE IMPORTANT AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TOWNS CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS CONVERSION LOOKS LIKE AND BY THE WAY WE HAVEN'T AS A COUNCIL REVIEWED THAT.

SO TO MAKE A COMPARISON ABOUT WHAT THE STAFF IS DOING CURRENTLY AND WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTING MAKES AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE SEVEN OF US HAD SAID OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THE STAFF HAS PUT FORWARD WE VERY WELL MAY NOT WE WILL SCRUTINIZE THAT JUST THE SAME WAY AND SO YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT COMPARISON BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM US ON AS TIME'S UP SO THERE IS THAT I AM CONCERNED TO GET BACK TO THE ISSUE OF LIVABILITY COMMON SPACE WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE COOKING, EATING AND PROVIDING STORAGE? I SEE YOU HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN FULL KITCHENS BUT SOME OF THOSE NARRATIVES AND I CAN GO THROUGH THEM ALL I'VE READ THEM ALL I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THEM ALL THERE IS A COHESIVE THOUGHT OF ARGUMENT HERE I'M TRYING NOT TO USE ALL OF OUR TIME UP BUT YOU HAVE IN OTHER PIECES OF YOUR DOCUMENTATION SAID EACH ONE OF THE UNITS WOULD HAVE A KITCHEN.

WELL NOW YOU DON'T NOW YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL AND YOU HAVE IT FROM WHAT I SEE AND I'VE HEARD SOME CONVERSATION A REFRIGERATOR, A MICROWAVE, A SMALL SINK AND A COFFEE MAKER.

SO THIS YOUR PLAN? I DIDN'T MAKE THESE THESE ARE YOURS AND I RECEIVE THESE JUST RECENTLY IN MY CONVERSATIONS. SO IF PUTTING SENTENCES IN EACH ONE THAT'S NOT NEWS TO ME OTHER THAN AS I SAID SOME PLACES IN HERE BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THAT SO WE'VE TALKED WE TALKED WE TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTS AND LEASE TERMS. WHAT ARE THE CONTRACT AND THE LEASE TERMS AND WHO'S MANAGING THOSE CONTRACTS AND LEASE TERMS ? HOW ARE ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED GOING TO BE DOCUMENTED FOR THAT ARE YOU ENSURING THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT FOR SOME? BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ARE YOU ENSURING THAT OTHER THAN SOMEONE WHO'S HERE WITH AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT TO WORK THAT THESE ARE ALL LEGAL CITIZENS WHO ARE IN THESE ROOMS IS YOUR ACTUAL INTENDED USER BECAUSE IN CONVERSATION HEARD IT COULD BE THE RETIREE WHO'S DOWNSIZED BUT PICKED UP A SMALL JOB AT KROGER AS A DIRECT EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN TO ME.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK I'M WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO GO GET IT AND I'M TRYING TO PROVE A POINT AND I APPRECIATE IT. IF I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GOTTEN A QUESTION TERMS OF DOES THIS CONVERSION FALL INTO A LOCKOUT WHICH WE NO LONGER ALLOW ON FILM HER DOES THIS ONE CONVERTED FROM A COMMERCIAL USE TO A MULTI FAMILY THAT'S THE QUESTION OF THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION COME INTO PLAY AT ALL BECAUSE WE DO KNOW IN OTHER INSTANCES ON ISLAND WHERE THERE'S BEEN AN INTEREST IN MAKING A CONVERSION THAT THE DC ISN'T SUFFICIENT ENOUGH AND THEREFORE THE PROJECT CONTINUE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS YOU MENTIONED WHO IS CHECKING THOSE EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS WHO IS DOING ALL THAT PAPERWORK IS MONITORING WHERE IS THE MANAGEMENT? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND CLEARLY DESCRIBED THE HISTORY AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT BLUE HERON CLOUD LAND AND THE FINANCE WHO ARE AS WE JAIL FOR PREVIOUS PROJECT IN COLORADO IS WORKING IN YOUR JANUARY 11TH I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT FRIDAY JANUARY 17TH EMAIL MR. GREEN THAT YOU SENT OUT TO STAFF MEMBERS IT WAS BOTHERSOME WHEN I READ IT AND LET ME GIVE YOU SOME REASONS WHY I THINK IT IS I THINK IT'S SIGNED AS WELL I THINK IT ALIGNS SORRY I THINK IT ALIGNED US WELL ON A POTENTIAL PATHWAY TO ACCOMPLISH

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WE HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING POLICY OR YOU NEED TO WORK WITHIN SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY DOES REFLECTING A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT. OTHERWISE IT IS NOT SECOND ONE TO DO THIS AND AS A FOLLOW UP TO OUR CALL AM INCLUDING PROPOSED NEXT STEPS BELOW APOLOGIES AHEAD OF TIME FOR THE TYPE OF ONE AND YOU DO THE TOUR BULLET TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT FEBRUARY 4TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 19 TOWN COUNCIL MARCH 4TH MARCH 18TH WHO IS DRIVING THIS TRUCK BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO OFF EDGE IF WE'RE ALLOWING AN INEXPERIENCED UNKNOWN, UNPROVEN ENTITY WITHOUT THEIR OWN DIRECT FUNDING TO DRIVE THAT TRUCK.

THIS IS A TOWN STAFF TEXT AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN BEING WORKED ON THAT HAS GONE THROUGH PROPER PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COME UP WITH THE BEST PLAN FOR HILTON HEAD ISLAND WITH REGARD TO ANY TIME ALONG THE LINES OF MOTEL HOTEL CONVERSION AND THEN THE KEY TAKEAWAYS WE DISCUSSED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY WITH A FEBRUARY 4TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TO ALIGN OUR VISION, SAYS BLUE. OUR TAGLINE TO THEIR VISION ON THIS IS HEAD ISLAND. IT IS OUR VISION AND WE HAVE ALREADY STATED AND COMMITTED TO THOSE VISIONS AND WE HAVE A STAFF WHO'S BEEN WORKING TO MOVE US FORWARD IN SOME OTHER ARENAS AND THANK YOU TO THEM DOING THAT TOWN COUNCIL FEEDBACK TO ASSURE THAT THIS NOT NOT AND TO ENSURE FOR THEM THAT THIS IS NOT PUSHED TO A MAY TIMEFRAME GOALS OR TO ENSURE THAT THE TEXT AMENDMENT SECURES WORKFORCE HOUSING TO THE HEALTH HEAD WORKFORCE AND YET IT'S NOT WORKFORCE HOUSING . I THINK THERE ARE SOME PLACES HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT IN THE INTEREST MY TIME A PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY MAP AND THIS IS WHY I BRING UP HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE HAVE MADE PROPER NOTICE THESE ALL THESE LITTLE DOTS WHICH I'M SURE YOU CAN'T SEE BUT THEY'RE PLENTIFUL AND SO THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN IT COULD INCLUDE AND ALL OF THIS WHICH MEANS EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT SINGLE VISITOR ON THE ISLAND IS COULD POSSIBLY ENCOUNTER THIS TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH DISTRICT PLANNING. OUR ATTEMPT TO BUILD COMMUNITY TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS APPROPRIATELY AND THEREFORE IT IS A NONSTARTER I AM GOING TO I AM GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO OTHER PEOPLE BUT. I AM GOING TO ASK IF I CAN RESERVE MY TIME. I SHOULD HEAR SOMETHING THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH DOCUMENTATION, RIGHT? SO THE TOWN STAFF'S OWN PAPERWORK ON PAPERWORK HAS RESULTED IN A REQUEST BY TOWNS STAFF TO PARALLEL INFORMATION FRONT DENIAL DENIAL DENSITY CAPACITY IT TALKS ABOUT CAPACITY I DON'T WANT TO PASS DENSITY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF MORE THAN SOME CASES TRIPLING ETC. THE IN THESE AREAS THAT ADDITIONAL CONGESTION ACROSS THE ISLAND IS IS TOO MUCH JUST TOO MUCH AND I WILL RESPECT AND WANT TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE BUT I AM AGAIN REITERATING THAT THE THINGS I'VE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION DOES NOT PRECLUDE BLUE HOUR FROM CIRCLING BACK AND COLLECTIVELY WITH TOWN STAFF, TOWN COUNCIL AND OUR RESIDENTS TO COMBINE EFFORTS WITH WITH THE EFFORTS UNDERWAY . THE REASON YOU'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE YOUR ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR INTERESTS AND YOU KNOW THAT I HOPE I'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY OUR INTEREST AS A COUNCIL IS THE COUNCIL THAT REPRESENTS ALL THESE PEOPLE AND THESE FOLKS WATCHING AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS AND WITH RESPECT YOURS DOES NOT AT THIS MOMENT COMBAT WORK WITH STAFF AND LET'S DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND WITH THAT I WILL RESERVE MY

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OBVIOUSLY TWO QUICK COMMENTS OF THIS BECAUSE COVERED A NUMBER OF OF ASPECTS OF IT THERE'S BEEN A FAIR NUMBER OF THEM ARE THE TYPE OF HURDLES ANY APPLICANT TO CONVERT THIS MOTEL WOULD RUN INTO WE AREN'T DEALING WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE DEALING WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING, AN EXISTING PARKING LOT. SO A NUMBER OF THOSE POINTS SIMPLY WOULD SAY WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DO THIS AT ALL WITH ANYBODY ANY TIME ANYHOW.

AND I THINK THIS A CONVERSION PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PURSUE.

MR. BAKER HAS ALSO STATED THAT SHE IS WILLING TO HAVE HOUR CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSIONS. WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

THE MOTION THAT I MADE REMINDED THAT THE FURTHER PROCESS WHEN THIS STAFF TAKE PLACE THANK YOU . I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THERE IS A CONCERN REGARDING AGING COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO REVITALIZE THOSE BUILDINGS.

HMM. CHANGING CONSUMER PREFERENCES AND THE INCREASED COST OF DOING BUSINESS HAS HAD AN IMPACT BUT AS WE LOOK AT HOW TO REVITALIZE WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND MAKE SURE WHAT WE APPROVE TO OUR ISLAND VALUES.

WE DON'T WANT TO SOLVE ONE PROBLEM AND CREATE A HOST OF MORE PROBLEMS ADAPTIVE REUSE OF HOTELS AND MOTELS FOR MULTIFAMILY A NEW CONCEPT AND MUST BE THOUGHTFULLY ADDRESSED . THE TOWN WAS MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY TO VOTE ON AN AMENDMENT BROUGHT TO US FROM A DEVELOPER WHO HAS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY AND LOOKING TO MOVE THROUGH THE STEPS OF THE PROCESS.

SO THAT IS WHY THERE ARE TWO MAJOR REASONS WHY I AM RECOMMENDING DENYING AND THE FIRST ONE IS PROCESS I RESPECT THE PROCESS OF THE TOWN STAFF REVIEWING THE APPLICATION.

I RESPECT THE PROCESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOTH INDICATED THAT THEY RECOMMENDED A DENIAL THAT DOES NOT MEAN AGAIN THAT AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF A FUTURE REVIEW OF ADAPTIVE REUSE BUT I WANT TO RESPECT THE PROCESS I DO AS SPECIFIC CONCERNS AND I SEVERAL HAVE ALREADY AND DISCUSSED BOTH BY THE APPLICANT ITSELF AND BY PEER SO I WON'T REPEAT THOSE BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING IS CONTINUED CHANGES BY THE APPLICANT OF ITEMS TO BE ADDRESSED BUT WE'RE VOTING ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AS THE TEXT AMENDMENT JUST MENTIONING A FEW CONCERNS THAT I HAVE I KNOW DENSITY IS A REALLY SENSITIVE TOPIC TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE 1 TO 1 GUEST ROOM TO DWELLING SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES THAT DENSITY AND THIS EXAMPLE OF 32 VERSUS FOUR THROUGH 16 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ACROSS THE ISLAND.

THE PROPOSAL ALSO ADDS TO NEW UNIT TYPES MICRO EFFICIENCIES AT STUDIO AND THOSE ARE VERY SMALL UNITS AND. THE QUESTION IS WHO'S THE INTENDED CUSTOMER AS SIZES FEEL MORE LIKE TEMPORARY HOUSING THAN LONG TERM HOUSING AND IF THEY ARE TO BE USED BY INTERNATIONAL WORKERS WHO'S GOING TO BE RENTING THEM DURING THE OTHER PARTS OF THE YEAR IF THEY'RE HERE FOR THE SEASON? THERE WAS A MENTION OF THERE ARE CURRENT CROWDED CONDITIONS IN TODAY'S WORLD WHERE ARE CROWDED IN HOUSING TODAY WHAT WOULD STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THESE UNITS AS WELL SO I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING ARE THERE IN THE OCCUPANCY AND IF SO HOW WOULD YOU MANAGE THAT? SO I KNOW A LOT HAS BEEN SAID AGAIN MY POSITION IS TO DENY AND ALLOW THE TOWN STAFF TO WORK ON THEIR OWN PROPOSAL INDEPENDENTLY AS OPPOSED TO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED AND OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS AS THANK YOU MAYOR I SECONDED THE MOTION BY MR. ALFRED FOR REMAND AND AND HERE'S WHY I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEND IT BACK TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION I WAS NOT ABLE TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING THAT I DID WATCH THE REST OF THE MEETING ONLINE AND I'M GLAD TO SEE TWO OF OUR

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I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF IN LOOKING AT IT AND WORKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITH THE APPLICANT IN IDENTIFYING CERTAIN DISTRICTS WHERE THIS MIGHT BE RECOMMENDED AS OPPOSED TO A LONG LIST OF PLACES I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY AND I KNOW WITHOUT LOOKING AT PARTICULAR LOCATIONS I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS HOTEL UNITS THERE ARE AND IN THOSE EXISTING THAT MIGHT BE CONVERTED 1 TO 1 WHEN THE STAFF BROUGHT THE IDEA TO US AT OUR SEPTEMBER 24TH WORKSHOP LAST YEAR THE 1 TO 1 CONVERSION SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA UNTIL YOU START LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE ONE I REALLY SUPPORT IS LOOKING BACK AT OUR EXISTING CODE PROVISIONS FOUND IN SECTION 16 AS SHORT AS ONE IN FIVE THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM AND LINING UP MORE WITH THAT AND THEN IN ADDITION AND THEN I WAS LIKE IS FINE WITH ME ALWAYS WHEN I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE CONVERSION THE COMMERCIAL CONVERSION WAS LOCATED AND ODDLY ENOUGH TO ME IT'S FOUND 16 DASH TEN DASH ONE OR TWO RULES OF MEASUREMENT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING THIS WAS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE BUT IN THAT CONVERSION THERE ARE MINIMUM SIZES FOR MARKET RATE UNITS AND THEN THERE ARE MINIMUM SIZES FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND AS MR. HUNTER HAS POINTED OUT WE DON'T HAVE MICROFICHE.

NANCY IN STUDIO NOW IT'S GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THE HOTEL ROOMS. I'VE STAYED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SIZED HOTEL ROOMS INCLUDING IN OTHER COUNTRIES SO IT CAN VARY GREATLY BUT THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST LOOK AT A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE FOR A LIVABILITY.

I AGREE WITH THAT AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THIS TAX AMENDMENT DOES NOT DO THAT AND ALSO THE COMMUNAL SPACE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE. YOU KNOW WHERE WHERE DO YOU FIND THAT KIND OF COMMUNAL SPACE FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO VISIT TO SIT AND READ AS MOSBACHER HAS MENTIONED OR TO VISIT WITH OTHER FOLKS? I THINK NEED TO INCLUDE SOME SORT OF MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR A COMMUNAL SPACE AS THE DRAFT LANGUAGE I'VE SEEN BOTH THE STAFF PROPOSAL THIS PROPOSAL IS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN WHAT'S EXCLUDED.

CERTAINLY ELEVATORS ARE EXCLUDED FROM COMMUNAL SPACE ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME COMMON SHARING OF THAT SPACE AT TIMES BUT LIKE FACILITIES ARE EXCLUDED.

BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE LAUNDRY FACILITIES FOR THE FOLKS LIVING IN THESE CONVERSIONS ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO TO WALK OR RIDE BICYCLE OR TO TAKE MASS TRANSIT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT NOT JUST COMMUNAL SPACES BUT WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES SHOULD INCLUDED THE OTHER THINGS ON MY LIST ARE OTHER WORKFORCE STANDARDS. I DO NOT LIKE THIS 25% 75% AND I DON'T BUY THE ARGUMENT THAT STAFF CAN'T CHECK ON THIS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE IT IN OUR CODE IN SECTION 16 DASH 4-12 5:04 A.M. I REQUIREMENTS WHAT I AM RECOGNIZING IS THAT IF HAVE EXISTING BUILDINGS WHICH HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONVERTED OUR CURRENT STANDARDS

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SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REMAND PLANNING COMMISSION ADDRESS. MR. TOWN MANAGER I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN AND THAT IS THIS IS GOING TO BE TOP ME AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PRIORITY AMENDMENTS THAT WERE BEFORE US AT TWO WORKSHOPS THE ONE ON DOES MY NOTES HERE ON SEPTEMBER 24TH AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT AND I I'M NOT SEEING THE DATE RIGHT NOW BUT IN LOOKING AT THE PRIORITY AMENDMENTS IS THIS OUR PRIORITY. WE ALREADY HAD AN TONIGHT ON NOISE BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST I'VE BEEN CONCERNED FOR SOME TIME ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WHERE IS THAT AND IN OUR LIST OF PRIORITIES AND WHERE IN THIS IS OUR ADDRESSING MASS AND SCALE AND BUFFERING ALSO COMMON REQUIREMENTS TREE PROTECTION SUBDIVISION REGULATION AND SUBDIVISION AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW PROCESS .

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR ONE THING VERSUS THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED PRIORITY AMENDMENTS AND WHERE WE FACTOR THAT IN AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN MANAGER NEEDS TO HELP US WITH AND PERHAPS WE HAVEN'T YET SET PRIORITIES TIME WISE WHICH ONES TO ADDRESS. SO I WANT TO SEND IT BACK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING FOR TIME STAFF TO SPEND.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS MR. BROWN MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE AT THIS POINT ARE DEBATING THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION SO I'LL BE VERY BRIEF BUT I RESERVE THE THE THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHEN WE GET TO IT. I'LL JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ACTUALLY SO LOUIS CAN HELP. 1/1 QUESTION THE OBVIOUSLY IS THIS CONVERSATION STARTED BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR SITE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IS THAT PARTICULAR SITE CURRENTLY IN USE OPERATIONAL THE THESE ARE IN AS I KNOW IT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NEW NAME IS IT OPERATIONAL AT THE MOMENT I I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT'S FULLY I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN COMMENT THAT.

OKAY. OKAY. SECOND TO SECOND SECOND SECOND QUESTION FIRST ASK IS THE COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE TAX AMENDMENT BUT I WANT YOU TO REFRESH MY MEMORY WAS THERE ALSO A SORT OF A FOOTNOTE WAS THAT THE TOWN HAS SOME DELIBERATION AND IT COME BACK SO THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT? IS THAT CORRECT? THE MOTION WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITH WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WORKING ON I THINK THE LANGUAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

LET ME JUST READ IT SORRY THAT THE APPLICANT AND TOWN STAFF COME FOR SOLUTION LANGUAGE IN THEIR MOTION. MY LAST QUESTION IS HAS THE ALREADY BEEN PRECEDENT SET AS TO APPLICANTS COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN TOWN COUNCIL AND ITEMS BEING REMANDED SO THERE IS FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR POTENTIAL OR IS THIS PROCESS MIRRORS A LITTLE

[03:05:03]

BUT WERE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN THE WAY THAT THE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT US DENYING IT COMPLETELY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENT? YEAH I'VE GOT SOME FOR MISSY WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THE STAFF TO COMPLETE VERSION OF THIS WHICH WE ARE? THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP WE WE ACTUALLY JUST REVIEWED THE DRAFT AGENDA WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE AT OUR MEETING LATER THIS MONTH WE ACTUALLY HAVE 12 PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED AT THAT MEETING WE WE HAVE A STREET WE HAVE TEN AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE PRIORITY SET THAT MS. BRYSON WAS JUST DESCRIBING THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR NORTH POINT AND SO IF IT WAS REMANDED THE CODE REQUIRES THAT IT GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN 30 DAYS OTHERWISE IT ASSUMES THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL BUT THEN IT WOULD COME BACK COUNCIL SO I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION BUT WITHOUT YOU HAVING COMPLETED WITHOUT YOU THE STAFF HAVING YOUR VERSION OF THIS AMENDMENT OR THIS CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONVERTING WOULDN'T WE BE JUST CIRCUMVENTING THE PROCESS ALLOWING HOW WOULD YOU HAVE TIME TO FULLY VET IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE SURE IT IS IN WHERE WE EXPLAIN AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RATHER AT THAT MEETING WE WERE BOTH INTRODUCING A VERSION OF A VERY SIMILAR AMENDMENT WITH AN APPLICANT APPLICATION AND SO YOU KNOW IN AN IDEAL WORLD WE WE WOULDN'T BE PROCEEDING LIKE THIS. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAD REASONS AND WE'RE MOVING IT THROUGH DUE PROCESS AS PRESCRIBED THE CODE WHICH IS WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU WITH THOSE OPTIONS TO RECOMMEND IT AS IS FOR FIRST READING DENIAL OR THE REMAND BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION YOU KNOW CAPACITY AGAINST ALL OF OUR OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE SET THROUGH THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN BY AND AS IT COMMUNICATED WITH THE CHAIR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH 12 PUBLIC HEARINGS AND STAFF'S CAPACITY TO PUBLISH THAT PACKET IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT IF THIS WERE REMANDED TO BEYOND SAY THAT FEBRUARY 19 MEETING. NOW CERTAINLY WITHIN 30 DAYS WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT BACK ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY MARCH SIX AND WE COULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC OR A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I TALKED TO THE CHAIR ABOUT THAT HE WAS AMENABLE TO DOING SO. SHOULD IT BE REMANDED? BUT THERE IS THERE IS A CAPACITY ISSUE WITH YOU KNOW, THIS THIS TOPIC AMONG ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES.

AND YES, THE TOWN STAFF IS WORKING ON A VERY SIMILAR TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO FINALIZING WITH OUR AMENDMENT TEAM INCLUDING LEGAL REVIEW.

MR. ORLANDO THANK YOU AND SOME OF THIS IS JUST KIND OF ANSWERING THE GENERAL COMMENTS AND THEN MORE DIRECTLY MS. BRYSON'S I BELIEVE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION AND I HAVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION SO I JUST WOULD RATHER BE PRESENTED .

YES, THE PRIORITIES OUR APPLICANTS, THE CUSTOMERS ALWAYS A PRIORITY BUT WE ARE ALWAYS BALANCING AN APPLICATION WALKING IN THE DOOR FOR A ZONING MAP OR A TEXT AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE TYPICAL PERMIT. AND WE ALWAYS BALANCE THAT WITH OUR OWN PRIORITIES AND THE PRIORITIES YOU DIRECTED US TO. WE ARE ADVANCING.

I AM FORTUNATE THAT I ASKED MISSY THIS IS PROBABLY FORTUNATE BECAUSE I ASKED HER I HAVE THE DRAFT PLANNING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 19TH AGENDA IN FRONT OF ME THERE ARE 12 ITEMS ON THERE AND MISSY MADE SENSE OF IT BUT ALL THESE ITEMS ARE SUMMED UP BY WHAT ASKED US TO DELIVER TO YOU THE LAST WORKSHOP WE MET LATE LAST YEAR .

THIS PERSON ALSO ASKED ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE FIRST READING FEBRUARY 18TH I FULLY INTEND AND WHERE SEAN IS THAT A THUMBS UP FEBRUARY 18TH ON THE AGENDA SEAN'S BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CODE WRITING MISSY INCLUDED AND THEN ALSO WITH CURTIS SO YOU KNOW I JUST THINK AS THINGS COME FORWARD THERE IS A MACHINE HERE IT'S NOT JUST MISSY WRITING IT SHE HAS A TEAM WITH SOME THINGS THAT CURTIS CURTIS HAS 13 OR 14 THINGS HE'S

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WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS NO TO WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US BY AN APPLICANT WHO HAS TRIED TO SHORT AND THE STAFF'S THAT HAS SET UP THEIR OWN TIMELINE FOR ADMITTEDLY THEIR OWN BENEFIT WHEREAS TO TAKE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THE REQUIRED AND NECESSARY VETTING TAKES TIME AND THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND IN FACT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING VERY MUCH ALIGNED TO THIS CONCEPT SO WHY WOULD WE COMPLICATE THINGS AND PUT THAT STRANGLEHOLD FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM AT THIS MOMENT ON STAFF TO HAVE TO RESPOND WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO FULLY DO THAT? AND TO YOUR POINT THEY DON'T WE HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES. WHY ARE WE SUDDENLY MAKING A PRIORITY TO AN UNKNOWN ENTITY WHO IS HERE IN THEIR OWN BEST INTEREST INSTEAD OF TAKING THE TIME TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT WHAT'S RIGHT BY OUR COMMUNITY, WHAT'S RIGHT BY OUR STAFF WHO'S ALREADY RECOMMENDED DENIAL OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WHO'S ALSO RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDING AND FOLLOWING WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO ANNOYING TONIGHT BUT LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN AS IT WOULD BE IN ANY CASE FOR BLUE HOUR TO COME BACK TO US IN OUR PROCESS AND IF IF WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS BY THE WAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED ON SOMETHING.

THEN WE'RE GO TO PPC AND THEN COME BACK TO US. SO THERE'S WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER MEETINGS THAT TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE SO THIS IN AND OF ITSELF IS PROVING TO BE INEFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IN TRYING TO CONVINCE ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND I HOPE OTHERS THAT WE ARE PROCEEDING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.

ONE OTHER POINT I JUST WANT TO MAKE HIS IN AN ARTFUL AND I CAN'T READ THE SMALL PRINT SO EXCUSE ME BUT SO WORKING WAS MENTIONED BEFORE WHICH IS NOW THE PROJECT THAT BLUE HOUR HAS BEEN WORKING ON IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES ANY TYPE OF COMMITMENT IN TIME AFTER THEIR NEGOTIATIONS TO THEIR PROJECT THERE APPROVED THE FACT IS THAT THAT PROJECT ONLY HAS ANY REQUIREMENTS REGARD TO WHO MAY LIVE THERE FOR 15 YEARS AFTER 15 YEARS THERE'S NO PROVISION AND SO IT'S OPEN MARKET OPEN ANYTHING . SO IF THIS THAT DOESN'T CONCERN YOU IT SHOULD AND SO THERE IS THIS MENTIONED A WORKFORCE HOUSING CONVERSION MINIMUM UNIT SIZE AND FOR THE MICRO

[03:15:08]

IT'S WHAT ARE Y'ALL WILLING TO DO RIGHT? HEARD THE OBJECTIONS FROM COUNSEL. YOU'VE GOT A GREATER INSIGHT AS TO WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS AND CAN YOU MAKE IT FIT TO A MODEL COULD BE APPROVED SO YOU KNOW WITH THAT I WOULD NOT I WOULD NOT SUPPORT A DENIAL BUT I WOULD SUPPORT A REPRIMAND. RAYMOND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THE TIME TO SAY THIS IS DOABLE THIS IS NOT DOABLE.

I'VE HEARD COUNSEL RIGHT WHERE . CAN I MAKE IT FIT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD TO US AND TWO WEEKS WITH THE TOWN'S ALAMO PROPOSAL AND. THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THE JUDGE WOULD LIKE TO TO TO TO TO TO BALANCE IT IT WITH TO UNDERSTAND THE VALUES OF IT AND IN MY MIND IT WILL HELP ME MAKE A BETTER DECISION. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THIS MOMENT AND NOT ABOUT NOT ABOUT KILLING IT. IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

AND IF YOU CAN DO THAT IN 30 DAYS TIME, THAT'S AWESOME. IF YOU CAN'T IT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO THAT'S WHY I STAND FOR YOUR PLAN AND YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU MENTIONED THAT STAFF WILL STILL BE PRESENT DOING THEIR VERSION OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO PLANNING THE ALAMO MEMORIAL. YEAH IT IS A TEXT AMENDMENT BUT IN ANY CASE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 1890 390 IT'S 90 MINUTES THE 19TH SORRY BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE WHEN WOULD BE COMING TO TOWN COUNCIL LET'S SAY A PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS IT'S NOT QUITE QUITE YET GO BACK WHAT IF WE YOU KNOW YOU'VE HEARD WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF TODAY, RIGHT? SO I'M SURE YOU'RE PUTTING THAT IN YOUR LITTLE GRAIN TOO OF NOT LITTLE GRAIN.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DID NOT MEAN THAT THAT THAT IS WHAT I MEANT IN YOUR BRAIN DID NOT MEAN THAT THAT BUT IT'S JUST IT'S GETTING AND I'M TALKING OFF THE CUFF AND I DID NOT MEAN IT IN THAT RESPECT. SO IN YOUR VERY, VERY PROFESSIONAL AND EFFICIENT AND BRILLIANT WAY I HOPE I COULD COVERED BUT WHEN WE WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE YOUR VERSION ELLEN'S VERSION COMING FORWARD WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY PATH WHERE DO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY AND WE'VE PROGRAMED IS TO COME TO COUNCIL IN APRIL FIRST READING AND THEN IN MAY FOR A SECOND DO YOU SEE THIS AS ANOTHER ELEMENT OF THIS WHY WE SHOULD DENY THIS OTHER TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO TONIGHT BE COMING PRIOR LIKELY ACCORDING TO THE SELF ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S SCHEDULE THAT WE MUST NOT SHOW THAT IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US IN MARCH. WELL, I THOUGHT WE DON'T HAVE TO MARCH TO THE APPLICANT'S SCHEDULE. WE HAVE TO MARCH TO PROCEDURAL SCHEDULE THAT WHICH IS SET FOR BY THE CODE MEANS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE US WITHIN 30 DAYS OF IT GOING TO. I HAS TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN 30 DAYS AND THEN WHEN WITH THAT ONE WHEN WOULD THAT ONE COME BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THAT SPECIAL MEETING WAS OF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THEN DETERMINE WHICH TOWN COUNCIL SCHEDULE IT COULD MAKE AN AGENDA FOR. SO I ASK YOU ALL WHAT HAPPENS IF TEXT AMENDMENT BY THE APPLICANT COMES FORWARD FIRST AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN CONSIDER OUR STAFF'S AMENDMENT? THIS IS WHY DENY BUT LEAVES THE

[03:20:06]

YES IT'S ANOTHER POINT AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO CALL THE QUESTION I WASN'T QUITE SURE THAT OUR BATHROOM AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SO THE FIRST ONE IS AN AMENDMENT FOR DENIAL PRESENTED BY MRS. BECKER, THE SECOND BY MRS. TANNER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING RIGHT HAND ALL THOSE OPPOSED SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND THAT IS FOR TWO THREE NOW WE GO I'M SORRY 324 NOW WE GO TO HER REMAND TO PLANNING COMMISSION WAS MOTION BY MR. ALFORD SECURED BY MS. BRYSON AND THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THAT BECAUSE I I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF IT ON THE FIRST YES SO I GUESS JUST A FEW I WANT TO COVER HERE AND NOT NECESSARILY FOR MS. LUECK AND THESE ARE NOT QUESTIONS THAT I WANT APPLICANT TO ANSWER JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER YOUR IDENTITY LET'S CALL A SPADE A SPADE HERE THIS PROJECT WILL BE ONE FOR TRANSIENT WORKERS.

OKAY AND TO ME THE TRANSIT WORKER IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT WHICH IS TRANSIENT VISITORS. OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW THERE ARE VALID CONCERNS HERE AS TO HOW WANT TO PRESENT LIVING CONDITIONS FOR EVEN OUR TRANSIENT WORKERS.

OKAY SO I THINK THAT PIECE NEEDS TO COME LOUD AND CLEAR FROM US THAT.

WE HAVE THOSE CONCERNS. STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT COMMUNAL SPACES AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW ME PERSONALLY I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING VERY OUT OF THE BOX IN ORDER FOR ME TO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS OKAY THE DEMAND IS THERE.

I AM CONCERNED THERE ARE OTHER PLACES ON HILTON HEAD THAT MAY BE BETTER FIT FOR A MORE PERMANENT RESIDENT BEING CONVERTED TO A TRANSIENT SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND. OKAY. SO THERE'S A BALANCE HERE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO IF YOU CAN PUT FORTH YOUR BEST EFFORT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS WITH SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE BOX REALLY GET ON TAMAR'S AND OUR ATTENTION THEN I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO LISTEN TO THAT AND CONSIDER IT SO THAT THAT PIECE I WANT JUST MAKE SURE THAT I WENT ON RECORD AND YOU HEARD ME LOUD AND CLEAR AS FAR AS MY POSITION ON MOVING FORWARD OR NOT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LOOK GO ONE SO FOR 40 YEARS OF ME LIVING HERE I'VE NEVER EVER KNOWN THE TOWN TO HURRY UP ANYTHING RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMITS, YOU KNOW IT'S ALWAYS A COMPLAINT ABOUT IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR TO GET THAT PERMIT YOU KNOW BUT YET WE'RE IN THIS BLAZING HURRY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S TOO LATE. WE VOTED ON NOT DENYING IT BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BY OUR STAFF WITHIN 90 TO 120 DAYS. WHY? WHY ASK YOURSELF WHY ARE YOU IN SUCH A HURRY THIS TIME? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OTHER COMMENTS NO DISCUSSION.

SO MR. BROWN MENTIONS TRANSIT WORKERS AND THERE'S NOTHING WHATSOEVER WITHIN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATIONS THAT CONFIRM THAT THIS IS A WORKFORCE TRANSIENT WORKER OR ANYTHING LIKE IN FACT AS I POINTED OUT BEFORE IN THAT ARTICLE AFTER YEARS WHATEVER THAT COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO GET THEM TO GET THIS GROUP TO AGREE TO IS OVER DONE THERE'S NOTHING LEFT THERE AND THERE'S NOTHING WITHIN THE CURRENT DOCUMENTS THAT TELLS US THAT WILL BE FOR ANYONE SPECIFIC THAT'S WHY I THINK BOTH COUNCILMAN TONNER AND I ASKED WHO WAS THE INTENDED THERE'S NOTHING DEFINITIVE. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS THERE'S NO MEASUREMENT, THERE'S NO AFFIDAVIT. THERE'S NO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. WHO'S IN CHARGE OF CREATING A SITUATION WHERE IT HAS NO REAL REQUIREMENTS OR PARAMETERS WHATSOEVER? SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT,

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I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR SIX PLUS YEARS NOW AND WORKING SITTING THERE IS AS MANY OF YOU ARE FOR TEN YEARS TRYING TO GET THINGS CHANGED AND THE PACE AND THERE'S MEETING AFTER MEETING AND THERE'S PUSHBACK AND THERE'S PUSHBACK AND FIRST I'LL JUST REFER TO ONE OF MY LEAST FAVORITE THINGS OF ALL FLOOR AREA RATIOS WE WERE BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH AND SIDEWAYS WE HELD A VOTE A TOWN COUNCIL ON A FIRST READING 6 TO 1 AND YET WE WERE NEVER ALLOWED A READING.

SO WHY IS IT THAT THIS IS BEING MOVED AT THIS RUSH PACE? OH WAS IT IT WAS ASKED SEVERAL TIMES WHO WAS IT THAT REACHED OUT FROM THE TOWN TO AN UNKNOWN ENTITY EVEN EVEN ALAN WOLF SAID TONIGHT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT TO OUR PHONE NUMBER BUT WE KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT MR. JORDAN SAID THE TOWN REACHED OUT TO THEM WHO IS PUSHING THIS IN THIS WAY AND WHO IS DISRESPECTING OUR STAFF AND OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PREVIOUS PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE AND THE COMMENTS WELL AGAIN I'M GOING TO SAY NOBODY'S GIVEN AN APPROVAL.

RIGHT. YOU GOT TO IMPROVE ON WHAT YOU BROUGHT IN BECAUSE YOU'VE HEARD COUNCIL SO I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING CLOSED. I THINK FOLLOWING PROCEDURE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. SO WITH THAT AND IN LIEU OF TIME AND NO OTHER COMMENTS I'LL CALL TO VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REMANDING BACK TO TO PLANNING COMMISSION PLEASE SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND OPPOSED BOTH 4 TO 3.

THANK YOU. AND I HOPE I HOPE THAT Y'ALL REALLY HEARD COUNCIL TODAY BECAUSE IT GAVE YOU A LOT OF GREAT DIRECTION AND THE RESIDENTS AND OF COURSE YEAH

[10. Public Comment - Non Agenda Items]

THAT PATHWAY PUT THERE AS PART OF THE PLANNING DESIGN MASTER PLAN OF THE COUNTY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION THIS COMMITTEE, ALL THE OTHER TOWN COMMITTEES AND THE COUNTY AND LET'S IT'S AN OFFICIAL MASTER PLAN THAT IS ONE OF THE KEY LINKS IN THE MASTER PLAN.

THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS THAT THAT COMMITTEE BY DOING THAT WAS GOING TO FUNDED BY THE REFERENDUM MM SO THAT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR A LOT OF THE PROJECTS SO THAT'S THAT'S A VERY THAT'S A VERY VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAME UP ME SAYS YOU KNOW WHERE'S INNOVATION WE'RE USED TO GOLD PLAT GOLD PATHWAYS WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH I DROVE AND BACK AND LOOKED AT WHERE WE COULD PUT THE PATHWAYS TEMPORARILY BUT THE INNOVATION THAT WE HAVE IN NCDOT AND IN THE COUNTY WE COULD DO SOMETHING FOR A WHILE UNTIL THE FUNDING CAME ALONG TO MAKE IT THE WAY WE'D NORMALLY DO IT. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PATHWAY GOING TO NOWHERE.

OKAY. THERE'S AN ATTITUDE ABOUT THE BRIDGE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT ABOUT

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I THANK YOU, MR. BAILEY. THANK YOU. LINDA HARRINGTON.

LINDA HARRINGTON 33 COATSWORTH PLACE UP HERE BEFORE AND BY THE WAY I WAS GOING TO SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST FOR A FEW MINUTES IT WAS SO HOT BUT ANYWAY WHAT I COME BEFORE YOU TO SAY IS QUITE SIMPLE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT I HEAR YOU ENTERTAINING OUTSIDE ALAMO TEXT AMENDMENT THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. YOU HAVE A PLANNING BOARD OR COMMISSION YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT'S THEIR JOB TO TAKE THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICATION SHOULD HAVE ALL THE ISSUES THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS AND HOW THEY TO RESOLVE IT. THAT'S CALLED AN APPLICATION. THEY DON'T TEXT AMENDMENTS.

WHO ARE THEY TO WRITE AN AMENDMENT AND GIVE IT TO YOU PEOPLE? THAT'S NOT HOW IT SHOULD WORK AND I REALLY SERIOUSLY QUESTION THE ETHICS IT SO I AM GOING TO REFER IT TO THE STATE BECAUSE ISN'T THE FIRST TIME AND IT'S A BIG MISTAKE FOR YOU TO ABDICATE YOUR JOBS FOREVER WHO KNOWS AND WHO DID REFER THIS WHO CALLED THESE PEOPLE? WHY IS THERE A SECRET ABOUT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND BUT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE ETHICS TO LOOK INTO IT. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK.

[11. Executive Session]

HAVE A NEED TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES, YES SIR.

EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM 11 A AND 11 B AS REFERRED TO ON OUR AGENDA MOTION TO GO AND EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO ALL THO .

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE COMING OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[12. Action from Executive Session]

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING APPOINTMENT TO EXTERNAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS . LET'S LOWCOUNTRY AREA TRANSPORTATION STUDY COMMITTEE COUNCILWOMAN TAMMY BECKER TWO LOWCOUNTRY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS MR. ALFRED BEAUFORT COUNTY AIRPORT BOARD COUNCILWOMAN MELINDA TURNER LOWCOUNTRY REGIONAL BOARD MS. PATSY BRYSON COLLEGE CITY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MAYOR PERRY NORTH POINT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE MAYOR PERRY AND NORTH POINT PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP HOUSING COMMITTEE COUNCILMAN PASSING BRYSON ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU THERE'S MOTION AS OR A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE PUBLIC SEEING THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK FOR A VOTE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND SO MOVE SEVEN ZERO ANY OTHER BUSINESS SEEING MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO, NO WE ARE ADJOURNED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.