Jan 29, 2025 US 278 County Council Meeting Workshop

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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OF COUNTY COUNCIL FOR US TO 78 AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL A MEETING ORDER PLEASE FOR FEDERAL AGENTS I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND SEE THE REPUBLIC FOR SHE STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL STUDENTS. THIS WAS ADVERTISED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FREEDOM

[3. STATEMENT OF COMPLIANCE WITH FOIA]

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

[5. CITIZEN COMMENTS PERIOD – 30 MINUTES TOTAL]

I'M A CHAIRMAN OF THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE AT WINDMILL HARBOR WHICH IS AS ASKED IF WE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS A COMMUNITY ON THE NORTH OF THE ISLAND THERE IS I HAVE ATTENDED EITHER ON TELEVISION OR OTHERWISE VARIOUS WORKSHOPS HELD BY THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND IN THOSE WORKSHOPS THERE WAS MENTION OF ABOLISHING OR MODIFYING THE STOPLIGHT PRESENTLY EXISTS AT WINDMILL HARBOR I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY ASKING THAT THAT NOTION OR THAT THAT MOVEMENT BE REJECTED THAT THE WINDMILL HARBOR STOPLIGHT HAS ADDED TREMENDOUSLY TO THE SAFETY OF EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD COMING ON TO THE ISLAND BECAUSE EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD COMING ON THE ISLAND DON'T FLY OR COME BY BOAT HAVE TO COME THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION AND IT HAS IMPROVED THE SAFETY OF OF OF TRANSIT ONTO THE ISLAND FOR EVERYONE WHETHER IT A FAMILY OF FOUR FROM OHIO OR CONTRACTOR FROM BLUFFTON. AND SO IT IS A GOOD THING IT IS SAFE THING AND WE WORKED HARD FOR A LOT OF YEARS AS YOU KNOW ,TO MAKE IT A SAFER SITUATION.

IT'S A IT'S IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT LIGHT. I WAS JUST TELLING I BECAUSE I WORKED SO HARD ON THIS AND I WORKED SO MANY YEARS WHEN I LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IT IS A VERY, VERY EFFICIENT STOPLIGHT. IT IS NOT A DELAY REALLY THAT'S CAUSED BY PEOPLE TRANSITING THROUGH. IT IS A SMART LIGHT AND IT WORKS VERY, VERY WELL IT HAS HAD OTHER BENEFICIAL EFFECTS IN THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE AND WE CLOCKED MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMING ACROSS COMING OFF OF THE BRIDGE DOING BETWEEN 60 AND 75 MILES AN HOUR AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 50 AND THE LIGHT HAS HAD THE EFFECT.

THE WARNING SIGNS THAT ACCOMPANY THE LIGHT HAVE HAD THE EFFECT OF SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN TO SOMETHING APPROACHING SPEED LIMIT AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE IT JUST IS IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP WHEN YOU'RE COMING THAT FAST COMING ON TO THE ISLAND.

SO WE URGE COUNTY COUNCIL TO REJECT THE NOTION OF DOING AWAY WITH WINDMILL HARBOR STOPLIGHT . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS MIKE GARRIGAN AND I SAY THAT YES YOU DID.

OKAY. AND THE SUBJECT IS WINDMILL HARBOR TRAFFIC LIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. GARY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. MIKE GARRIGAN, WINDMILL.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF WINDMILL HARBOR FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.

PRIOR TO THAT I LIVED FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THE FIRST KEY ISLAND.

JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE THIS GROUP AND EXPRESS TO YOU OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL OVER THE YEARS. I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS COUNCIL MANY TIMES OVER PAST I DON'T KNOW TEN, MAYBE 12 YEARS. I'M THE PAST CHAIRMAN OF THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE AT WINDMILL HARBOR. THE THE THE LIGHT THAT IS THERE TODAY HAS BEEN A GODSEND.

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NEXT IS MISS FELICE AND THIS GENERAL TOPIC ALL OF IT. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY. BE MORE SPECIFIC. NO, THAT'S FINE.

IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT. FELICE LAMARCA AND I LIVE IN SEA PINES.

I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS. NEXT WEEK WILL BE 30 YEARS.

DURING THOSE YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN MANY AT TOWN HALL REGARDING BUILDING A SECOND WAY ON AND OFF THE ISLAND THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CREATIVE IDEAS BROUGHT UP OVER ALL OF THOSE YEARS. SO MY SURPRISE IN 2018 WHEN THE SIMPLE REPAIR OF THE BRIDGES MORPHED INTO THE BUILDING OF THIS MONOLITHIC STRUCTURE THAT IS ON TABLE.

EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT SAFETY AND AND EVACUATIONS AND THESE REPORTS BUT THERE'S NEVER A DISCUSSION IN REPORTS ABOUT A SECOND WAY OF THE ISLAND. THEY AT THE NORTH END OF THE ISLAND OR THE SOUTH NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT A BRIDGE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEAR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD YET IT'S OKAY TO DISPLACE THE STONY NEIGHBORHOOD YET AGAIN.

SOMEONE HERE SHOULD SAY NO MORE DESTRUCTION TO THE STONY NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROTECT THE OTHER PERSONS. WE ALSO TALK ABOUT ESTHETICS OF THE BRIDGE.

AS SOON AS I GET THE BRIDGE ALL I SEE ARE THE ESTHETICS OF THE BEAUTIFUL WATERWAYS.

AS WE'RE GOING OVER THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. I FREQUENTLY NOW MAKE THE COMMUTE FROM BEAUFORT TO HEAD SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK. I AM NOW ONE OF THE COMMUTERS ON MY WAY BACK TO SEE PINES IF I HIT MOSTLY GREEN LIGHTS THE DRIVE TAKES ME 45 TO 50 MINUTES. WHEN I HIT MOSTLY OR ALL RED LIGHTS TAKES ME ONE AND A HALF HOURS. THE ONLY TIME I AM STOPPED AT OR ON THE BRIDGE TO HILTON HEAD IS IF THE THE WINDMILL HARBOR. LIGHT IS RED AND THAT'S NOT FOR VERY.

THE TIME IT TAKES ME 2 HOURS OR MORE TO GET TO THE ISLAND. THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT.

I AM ONE OF THE 12,000 CITIZENS WHO DO NOT THE $488 MILLION PLANE.

THE STUDY DONE FOR THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD STATED THAT THE TIME SAVED BY THE COMMUTERS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 15 MINUTES. MAYBE I WILL FEEL DIFFERENTLY WHEN I AM DYING BUT FOR 288 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS TO SAVE ME 15 MINUTES IS ABSURD.

UNFAIR CURRENTLY YOU ARE HERE NOW TO FIND A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM CREATED BY FORMER COUNTY COUNCILS IN THAT LIGHT AND IN ALL THE WORK THAT TOM DAVIS HAS DONE FOR US.

THANK YOU, TOM. I WOULD SUPPORT HIS PROPOSAL IF THE THIRD LANE IS A BREAK LANE . THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AND THAT NONE IT DISTURBS THE STONY NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

MISS ASHLEY PHILLIPS 278 PROJECT YES. HI.

ASHLEY PHILLIPS INDIGO RUN ON HILTON HEAD. SHE SAID MOST OF I WANTED TO SAY SO I WON'T REPEAT IT AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.

I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO HOPEFULLY SUPPORT THE 12,000 PEOPLE THAT SIGNED A PETITION ON THE ISLAND THAT DON'T WANT A HUMONGOUS BRIDGE COMING ON TO OUR LITTLE ISLAND.

UNDERSTAND WE NEED REPAIRS AND KNOW THERE'S A SECTION THAT'S GOT TO BE REPLACED.

I GET THAT NO ONE SAYING NO TO THAT BUT THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN SCALE WITH OUR ISLAND AND WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS NOT. ALSO JUST WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT

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I APPRECIATE THE NEW FORMAT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THANK YOU. Q ARE THERE ANY MADE LIKE SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

[6. US 278 CORRIDOR PROJECT STATUS]

THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE WORKSHOP. I WANTED TO POINT OUT ONLINE WE HAVE SENATOR TOM DAVIS WHO WILL ALSO BE PARTICIPATING IN THE WORKSHOP.

THANK YOU. YES, GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR.

COUNCIL WE DO HAVE TOM DAVIS SENATOR DAVIS ON LINE SO WE'LL TURN OVER VERY SHORTLY TO HIM.

BUT JUST TO KIND OF FRAME WHAT OUR OBJECTIVES ARE TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU ALL THE BACKGROUND, CURRENT STATUS AND POTENTIAL COURSES OF ACTION WITH REGARDS TO THIS 278 PROJECT WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW WITH THE FAILURE OF THE REFERENDUM LEFT SOME FUNDING SHORTFALLS IN YOUR PACKAGE. SENATOR LETTER IS INCLUDED AND SO WHEN HE I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO HIM TO SPEAK TO THAT LETTER SO YOU HAVE IT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS HE GOES THROUGH IT. BUT THE MAIN THINGS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US ARE WE HAVE A DEADLINE OF MARCH 31ST TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CIB AND THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY THE CIB, THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AS DUTY WITH REGARDS TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPAN THE EASTBOUND SPAN ON THE ON THE BRIDGE BY MARCH 31ST DUE TO LOADING FACTORS AND OTHER ENGINEERING ISSUES. SO WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO SENATOR TO TO RUN THROUGH HIS PROPOSAL AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND AND AND STATUS. SO WITH THAT WE'LL TURN TO RESPONSE. THANK YOU, SENATOR DAVIS. WE CAN HEAR YOU.

YES, SIR. OFFICE OF SIR. IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH.

HERE WE GO. LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE FROZEN. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE FROZEN OUT. WE'RE GOING TO CHECK WITH OUR NICE FEW TELEVISION PEOPLE FROM ALONG WITH MYSELF. MM HMM. COULD YOU TRY AND SPEAK AGAIN, SENATOR? CAN BILL HERE WE GO. YES, SIR.

FROM SENATOR DAVIS. IT'S NOT SINKING WITH YOU VOICE .

YOU KNOW, IF HE WERE TO JUST CALL IN ON OF OUR PHONES, WE PUT IT ON SPEAKER IN HERE.

CHANCE OF HEARING HIM TALK TO THAT TOO. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK, COLONEL NICKELS? WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? OKAY, HE'S GOING TO TURN THE CAMERA OFF UNTIL THE BROADCAST IS FULL.

AND YOUR CAMERA OFF? YES, SIR. WOW.

IS THERE A NUMBER HE. OKAY, LET'S SEE NOW. CAN WE JUST HEAR HIS VOICE? HE'S OUT. HE'S OFF COMPLETELY. LET ME JUST CALL I THINK AT WORK A FEW HOURS. MISS NICHOLS WHICH NUMBER? HE'S BACK TO CARRIAGE COMPANY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. IS THAT.

NO, NO, SIR. DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER YOU WANT HIM TO CALL MISS NICHOLS? HE CAN PUT THEM ON THE SPEAKER SIDE. HEY, I THINK THE THE SPEAKER AND WE'LL GET RID OF THE ZOOM CALL. I'M GLAD THE IN THE SO IT'S THE MICROPHONE, JERRY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

TRY THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER CHAIR. WE CAN HEAR YOU ON GERARD'S PHONE. NOW TRY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO DO THE BEST I CAN. THANK YOU.

WHAT WHAT I WHAT I DID ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE BILL HARP HER HUSBAND WENT TO NEWTON AND JEFF BRADLEY IS SET FOR WHAT I THOUGHT THE MOST PRACTICAL USE OF THE EXISTING PHONES ON HAND WOULD BE AND I'M MAKING ONE ASSUMPTION MADAM CHAIR, IN MAKING THIS PROPOSAL IS THERE THERE IS NO WAY FOR US WHAT I MEAN US I I MEAN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO COME UP WITH AN A PORTION OF THE OVERRUN A PORTION OF THE APPROXIMATELY

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THIS IS WHAT I CONCLUDE AND ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT IT WOULD COST $40,000,250 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW THREE LANE EASTBOUND STRAIN ON COMMENCING AND LOST CREEK FOAM CONTINUING TO THE SOUTH IN PARALLEL TO THE EXISTING BALANCE FAN CROSSING PINCKNEY ISLAND AND THEN CONTINUING ON TO WHERE WE'VE BUILT HARBOR IS THAT PARTICULAR NEW THREE LANE IS FOUND SUSTAINED WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY $250 MILLION TO BUILD FROM THE EXISTING SPAN EASTBOUND SPAN WHICH IS TWO WOULD REMAIN IN EXISTENCE FOR COMPLETION OF THE NEW EASTBOUND LANES FANS THE WOULD NOT BE AN INTERRUPTION OF TRAFFIC ONTO OR OFF THE ISLAND DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THEN AFTER NEW THREE LANE EASTBOUND SPAN WAS COMPLETED FOR MONCRIEFF ALL THE WAY TO WINTER HARBOR YOU WOULD PAY DOWN IN DISMANTLE THE EXISTING TWO LANE BALANCING THAT WOULD HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF REPAIRING WHAT IS IMMEDIATELY REPAIR WHICH IS THE THE THE FIRST PART OF THE EXISTING EASTBOUND SPAN FROM WHEN THE HARBOR TO THE ISLAND I MEAN THAT IS THE SPAN THAT THE TEAM HAS SAID IF IT HAS TO AND IF WE CAN WORK OUT SOME SORT OF A LARGER PROJECT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GO AND JUST REPAIR THAT EASTBOUND SPAN FROM HARBOR DEPENDING ON WHICH WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY I THINK $90 MILLION AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL THAT THE DMV HAS SAID THAT WOULD BE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT WOULD NO LONGER BE THERE AND $120 MILLION GRANT FOR A STADIUM STRUCTURE BACK ON LONG ISLAND.

I CONSIDER THAT TO BE SOME OF THE MORE OUTCOME. I WANT TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING GRANTS FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE UP ON THIS OFFER TO PUT ADDITIONAL FUNDS THROUGH FROM FROM AND SO I THINK BUILDING A NEW FREEWAY IS BALANCE PAYMENT IN THE WAY THAT ARTICULATED ON WOULD BE REASONABLE TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT SO THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE THE WAY TO MODIFY THE APPLICATION TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION PROBABLY WOULD INVOLVE HAVING TO NEGOTIATE A NEW INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SENATE BECAUSE THE HUNDRED $23 FROM THE SENATE RIGHT NOW PROCURED UPON THAT MONEY BEING FUNDED PRIOR TO THE PROJECT BEING ABOUT NEW EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND SPAN. SO WE HAVE TO AMEND THAT IDEA.

I FEEL I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING THAT DONE IF $250 MILLION ARE BEING SPENT IN THAT REGARD, I'M SURE THAT WOULD LEAVE THE POSSIBILITY $50 MILLION WORTH SOMETHING. WHAT I REFER TO AS THE ON ISLAND COMPONENT OF THIS FOR WINDMILL HARBOR EXTENDING TO CROSS ISLAND HARTFORD NO NOT FOR ME IN TERMS OF SOUTH PARKWAY BUT CONTINUING TO CROSS OUR PARKWAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE SCOPE FOR THAT MASTER POINT TO LOOK YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS IN REGARD TO HAVING A FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC COMING OFF THE EASTBOUND SPAN GO INTO THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE ISLAND AND BE ACROSS ISLAND PARKWAY MAYBE MORE CLOSELY ALLEVIATING OR DOUBLING FROM THE SOUTH AT SOME POINTS ON THE EXAMINATION OF OTHER WAYS TO MAYBE INCREASE THE FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC YOU COULD ALSO FOCUS IN ON IMPLEMENTING THE THE STONY NEIGHBORHOOD MITIGATION ASPECT

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OKAY. THANK YOU SENATOR. I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND ANYONE NO QUESTIONS. SOME OF THIS IS NEW TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE AND SOME OF US WE'VE HEARD IT BEFORE. NOBODY AFTER THAT IS THE LETTER THAT I WROTE ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MY COLLEAGUES AND IT IS AND WE HAVE WE HAVE IT UP ON OUR SCREEN IF ANY COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME SO I WILL SAY THIS MAN HERE I A MEETING TOMORROW AFTERNOON WITH SECRETARY POWELL IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY DON'T HAVE ARE COMING UP TO TRY TO GET SOME FURTHER INFORMATION FROM HIM SO THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN ASSESS THEIR OPTIONS. I INTEND TO BE AT THAT MEETING AND TO OFFER ANY THAT I CAN OFFER, YES. BUT I THINK IT SOUNDS TO ME AS THOUGH SOME FOOD VILLAGES ARE BEING PUT IN, SOME WORKSHOPS ARE BEING HELD, SOME PUBLIC INPUT IS SOLICITED AND SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE TOWN WE HELP TO HAVE AT IS WORKING WITHIN SORT OF THAT IS WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE THAT ARE LIKE THE PAID TO WORKSHOPS THAT I KNOW OF DOING? JIM COUNCILMAN GLOVER HAS A QUESTION. YES, THIS IS THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD YOU TELLING ME THAT THE TONGUE OF HILTON ENDORSE IS JUST CONCEPT I YOU I CAN'T SAY THAT MR. GLOVER. I KEEP SAYING THAT THE QUESTIONS THEY'VE BEEN ASKING AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IT SUGGESTS ME THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FRAMEWORK I PROPOSE. IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE $49 MILLION PROJECT, I THINK IT ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WE NOW NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN WE BEST DO HE PRESENTED NOW WHAT WE HAVE ON HAND. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON TOWN COUNCIL AS TO USING THAT MONEY IN THE WAY THAT I AND MY COLLEAGUES I DON'T KNOW THAT YET BUT THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE ASKING ME AND THE INFORMATION THAT ARE REQUESTING IT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOW WORKING WITHIN THIS CONTEXT. WHAT CAN THEY DO WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE KNOW YOU KNOW THIS WOULD COURSE IF THIS IS FOLLOWED IT WOULD LEAVE THE TWO EIGHT WEST BALANCE PAYMENTS IN PLACE AND KNOW WHICH IS OKAY BECAUSE THOSE THINGS WORK OUT THEY ARE NOT STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT THEY'RE NOT POSING A PUBLIC SAFETY.

I MEAN THOSE THOSE WEST FAMILY FARMS ARE IN THE POSITION SO BE TIME TO FORMULATE WHAT YOU WANT

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DO YOU WANT TO STAY ON WHILE WE CONTINUE THE WORKSHOP OR. I WOULD LOVE TO STAY, I'M SURE, BUT I HAVE TO GET BACK ON THE FLOOR. WE'RE WE'RE DEBATING AN EDUCATION CHOICE, BILL, SO I NEED TO GET BACK FOR THAT. OKAY.

BUT I AM GOING TO BE AT THE MEETING TOMORROW WITH SECRETARY POWELL.

YOU OF COURSE COMMUNICATE WHATEVER INFORMATION I HAVE TO YOU, MR. MOORE AND THEN THIS TO WORK AND SHARE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OF COURSE ON THAT MYSELF AVAILABLE IF YOU THINK I'M GOING TO DEFER QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO ON WITH OUR WORKSHOP.

MR. PRESIDENT. OH, WAIT. I'M SORRY MR. MOORE WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE GO OFF. SENATOR DAVIS, WE ARE PLANNING TO BE THERE AS WELL AND MYSELF.

OKAY, GOOD I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. SEE YOU THEN.

OKAY GUYS, THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

BE READY, MS.. MOORE TO CONTINUE ON WITH WORKSHOP AND COUNCILMAN WE DO HAVE MAYOR WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE FROM HILTON HEAD HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.

TWO TO I THINK RIGHT TO SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON. OKAY.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO JARED TO COVER DETAILS. BUT AS I SAID FROM THE OUTSET, WE HAVE WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS A DEADLINE OF MARCH 31ST TO MAKE YOU REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE CIB AS WELL AS MEET THE SIDOTI DEADLINE AND WE HAVE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CIB. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT WITH DOTY AND A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS.

THESE IS REALLY THE ACTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. AND WITH THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO IS IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT BACKGROUND AND PROJECT HISTORY MEMORANDUM.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO HAVE JARED WALK US THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION AFTER THAT. THANK YOU.

OKAY, JARED, TELL US WHEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. WELL, WHAT YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS HOWEVER YOU LIKE IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE WAY THAT'S FINE.

HARRY WOULD LIKE DO THAT. AS MIKE MENTIONED, THE I WANT TO I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THERE COUNCIL'S VERY WELL VERSED AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR COUNCIL IS COMPLETELY UP TO SPEED WITH THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT BACKGROUND AND THEN MORE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY SHARE KIND OF THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR SO AND. THIS A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WAS SHARED AT THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAD. THEY HAVE VERY, VERY ORGANIZED FORMAT. SO WE'RE WE'RE STILL IN SOME OF YOUR FORMAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT FIRST I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROJECT HISTORY AND WE HAVE IT AS THE AGENDA BACK OF MATERIAL WAS SHARED ON THE SCREEN AND THEN ALSO HAVE

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SO THIS IS THE HISTORY AND AGAIN I'M NOT TO GO IN ALL THESE DETAILS BUT I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THE THE OUTLINE AND THEN ALSO WHERE THE DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS SHOWED UP AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE. SO THE PROJECT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES STARTED THERE IN 2017 WITH OUR FIRST AGREEMENT WITH D.O.T. THIS AGREEMENT WAS IN APRIL AND ALL THIS AGREEMENT WAS IS A FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT. SO REFERENCES ATTACHMENT ONE AND AT THE TIME THE PLAN WAS FOR THERE TO BE $3 MILLION SPLIT BETWEEN THE COUNTY THE D.O.T. AND LET'S TO PREPARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT AND INITIAL ENGINEERING SO ESSENTIALLY THE 30% DESIGN WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND THEN THERE'S ALSO TWO ADDITIONAL ATTACHMENTS THAT KIND OF BEYOND AND REFERENCE THOSE LATER BUT SO THERE IS INITIAL FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION THEN WE OF THAT LATER FOR EXTENDED TIME PERIOD AND COST AND THEN LATER FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WITH D.O.T. SO WE KICKED OFF WITH D.O.T. THEN WE STARTED TOGETHER AND AHEAD OF THE 2018 SALES TAX IN NOVEMBER WE HOSTED THE FIRST PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THERE HAVE BEEN THREE TWO PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS ,A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN A THIRD PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WAS THE MODIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THAT HAPPENED IN 2018. IN 2019 IS WHEN WE MADE OUR FIRST APPLICATION TO THE CIB.

SO THAT AGREEMENT IS WAS LATER APPROVED AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER APPROVED AND THEN IS BASICALLY BASIS OF WHAT LATER BECAME THE CIB AG AGREEMENT THAT HEAR AND TALK ABOUT IT'S A REALLY LONG AGREEMENT DON'T REALLY NEED TO KNOW ALL OF THE GRANT APPLICATION BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT IS REFERENCED IN THE IGA AND THAT INFORMATION IS IN THERE SO THE AGENDA PACKET IS PRETTY THOROUGH. I DON'T EXPECT EVERYBODY TO READ IT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAD ALL OF THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WE KEEP REFERENCING INCLUDING THE SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO FAST FORWARD SEPTEMBER 2019 19TH 2019 THIS WAS TWO SEPARATE HEARINGS.

SO AT THIS POINT THIS IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES.

SO INITIALLY WE HAD SOME INFORMATION WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? AND THEN WE HAD THE SPAGHETTI MODEL THAT HAD 19 DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND REALLY COST WASN'T EVEN EVALUATED AT THIS POINT WE WERE LOOKING AT HIGH RANGE ALTERNATIVES, DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND IMPACTS WHETHER THAT WAS ENVIRONMENTAL, SOCIAL OR OR DIFFERENT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS REQUIRED SO THAT THAT WAS HOSTED IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN THE FOLLOWING SUMMER IS WHEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE UP THE GRANTS RIGHT THERE. WE SUBMITTED IT IN 19 BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO IN JULY OF SIXTH, JULY 16TH, 2020 THE SUBMIT AND THEY AWARDED THE GRANT FOR THE US TO 70 CORRIDOR PROJECT AT THE TIME I BELIEVE THERE IS EITHER SEVEN OR NINE GRANTS AWARDED AT THE TIME AND THIS PROJECT WAS RANKED THE HIGHEST RANKED PROJECT OF ALL THE SUBMITTED PROJECTS SO THAT'S WHEN WE RECEIVED $120 MILLION FROM THE CIB. AND THE INTERESTING THING AT THIS TIME WE HAD A PROPOSED PROJECT COST ESTIMATE BUT DIDN'T HAVE A PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE YET. SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE NEPA PROCESS AND AT THE TIME WE HAD A RANGE OF ALTERNATIVES AT THIS TIME WE HAD NARROWED IT DOWN FROM 19 ALTERNATIVES TO SIX ALTERNATIVES AND. WE HAD A RANGE OF A COST OF PROJECT FROM $200 MILLION TO $400 MILLION. BUT THE ESTIMATED COST THE TIME OF THE SIP APPLICATION WAS APPROXIMATELY $270 MILLION AND WE WERE ASKED INSTEAD FOR $120 MILLION. SO THEY AGAIN WE GOT THAT GRANT AWARD BUT WE DIDN'T FINALIZE

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BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE TOWN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND BEYOND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THERE WAS A CALL FOR AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW TO BE SO BEFORE WE HOSTED THE FINAL PUBLIC MEETING OR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO REVEAL THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE WE HAD AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW THIS WAS LED BY THE COUNTY AND THIS WAS CONDUCTED BY OUR CONSULTANT HDR . IT TOOK A FEW MONTHS THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF 2020 AND IN THE BEGINNING MARCH 20 OR APRIL 2021 AND THEN WITH THE RESULTS OF THAT BASICALLY KIND OF SAID THAT THE INFORMATION BEEN PROVIDED THUS FAR DOES SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE AND THE ALTERNATIVES THAT IS LOOKING AT ARE REASONABLE. SO SHORTLY THEREAFTER IS WHEN D.O.T. HOSTED THE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE WAS PROVIDED AND IN THAT SCENARIO IT WAS THE ONE BRIDGE OF SIX LANES AND TO THE SOUTH IN THE LOCATION THAT WE'VE REFERENCED THE SOUTH AND THE EXISTING BRIDGES IT WOULD BE DEMOING FOUR CURRENT BRIDGES AND REPLACING IT WITH ONE SINGLE SPAN WITH SIX LANES AND A MULTI-USE PATHWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE WAS A PERIOD PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THAT THE COUNTY AND THE AT RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND DURING THAT TIME THE TOWN HAD WORKED WITH THE CONSULTANT IN KSK TO ASSIST THEM IN PROVIDING TOWN COMMENTS TO THE PROJECT.

SO IN NOVEMBER 15TH THEY THEY HAD THOSE PREPARED AND PRESENTED THOSE THE PROJECT TO D.O.T. TO CONSIDER AND THE COUNTY TO CONSIDER SHORTLY THEREAFTER.

LIKE I SAID THERE WERE SOME IN THE INTERACTIONS WITH THE CIB WE WERE ABLE TO FINALIZE AND EXECUTE THE CIB AND THAT AGREEMENT IS REFERENCED AS ATTACHMENT IN THE CIB.

THERE'S A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS AND IT ITSELF IS SEVERAL PAGES LONG AND WE CAN TO ANY OF THESE AGREEMENTS AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE. BUT THERE'S A COUPLE KEY ONE IT REFERENCED THE GRANT PROPOSAL SO THE GRANT PROPOSAL IS IN SUCH THAT IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE RGA AND THEN SECONDLY THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE VERY PARTICULAR ONE THAT $120 MILLION WAS ALL THAT THE CIB WAS GOING TO TO THE PROJECT AND ANY OVERRUNS WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY THAT IT STATED CLEARLY AND SECONDLY IT SAID THAT THE PROJECT HAD SOME MILESTONES AS FAR AS SCHEDULE THAT THE PROJECT THERE WAS TWO MILESTONES AN INTERIM MILESTONE AND THEN A FINAL THE INTERIM MILESTONE IS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND JANUARY 1ST 2024 AND THEN IT WOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2028 AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT DATES BECAUSE THAT GETS US TO OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING TO AMEND OUR AGREEMENT WITH CHAD WITH CIP. SO MOVING FORWARD WE THEN TOOK THE INFORMATION PROVIDED THE TOWN AND AND THE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AND AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE THE EXISTING MY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE AND THERE WAS SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE THERE WAS SOME GOOD FEEDBACK THAT WAS INCORPORATED AND THIS WAS REVEALED TO THE PUBLIC BACK AS A PUBLIC INFORMATION SO A THIRD PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING IN MARCH 3RD, 2022 AND THIS VERSION OF THE PROJECT THEN CALLED THE MODIFIED PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.

SO IN THAT YOU CAN SEE THINGS THERE A BEND ON JENKINS ISLAND THAT THE TOWN HAD PRESENTED AND REQUESTED AND A COUPLE OTHER COMMENTS AS FAR AS THE GEOMETRY OF THE PROJECT AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT AT THIS POINT THE NEPA DOCUMENTATION WAS OKAY SO SO THE NEPA DOCUMENTS STARTED WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED RIGHT AND SO THE WHOLE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN BUILDING THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING ONE TO A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE OF THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS AND TYPICALLY THAT PROCESS HAS A THREE YEAR PLAN SO WHEN WE INITIALLY HAD OUR FIRST FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION WITH DOD IT TOOK US THROUGH THE THE FUNDS THROUGH THE NEPA PROCESS AND THE BASIC STAMP OF APPROVAL FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAY WHICH USUALLY AROUND THE THREE YEAR MARK. SO WE WERE RIGHT ON MARK.

WE HAD THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IN JULY 2021 AND THEN BUT BECAUSE WE STARTED TO

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YES. MAY WATCHES LATER ABSOLUTELY. YOU DROPPED A LOT OF ACRONYMS I'M REALLY TRYING NOT BUT HELP ME KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

LET ME KNOW NEPA. ALL RIGHT. NEPA IS THE NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. SO THAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE A FEDERALIZED YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND COORDINATE WITH ALL THE FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ARE INCORPORATED INTO YOUR PROJECT AS WELL AS PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WHEN WE HAD THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS THESE ARE IN WITH THAT LAW CALLED NEPA NASAL DROP FONZI IS ESSENTIALLY THE CONCLUSION THE NEPA PROCESS AND WHAT THAT SAYS IS FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ARE NOT IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE IMPACTS THAT THEY ARE AREN'T SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THEIR MEASURE IS SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT AVAILABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE PROJECT CUTS TO THE STONEY COMMUNITY AND ANY IMPACTS IN THAT AREA ARE SIGNIFICANT. THOSE TWO TERMINOLOGIES SIGNIFICANT LOCALLY VERSUS SIGNIFICANT TO FEDERAL HIGHWAY ARE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS IN THEM FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAYS PERSPECTIVE THINKING AND THEN AND WHILE I'M ON THAT POINT SO THE PROJECT THERE'S THREE LEVELS OF NEPA DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CAN DO ON A FEDERAL PROJECT WE ARE IN BASICALLY THE SECOND ONE. SO THERE'S A CATEGORICAL EXCLUSION WHICH IS STEP ONE AND THAT'S REALLY IF IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD THERE'S NOT ANY IMPACTS OR ANY TO SPEAK OF .

STEP TWO IF THERE ARE IMPACTS THERE'S CALLED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT EPA IS WHAT YOU'LL HEAR CALLED AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEN IF THERE'S EITHER KNOWN ASSESSMENTS OR THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, IF YOU IF YOU UNCOVER ASSESSMENTS THAT NEED TO BE FURTHER, THEN YOU GO INTO AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY SO WE'RE IN THE PHASE TWO AND THEN THE CONCLUSION OF THAT WOULD BE THE FONZI.

YES. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME WITH MY NOMENCLATURE YOU'D BE SAD IF I DID. NO, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY AND I REALLY, REALLY TRIED TO WORK ON MY VERNACULAR . ALL RIGHT.

SO SO WE AT MARCH 22 WE HAD THE THIRD PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING AND THEN LATER IN THAT YEAR IS WHEN I REFERENCED THE COORDINATION WITH HILTON AND WE ESTABLISHED THE MLA AND THE FIRST MLA WITH THE TOWN WHICH CALLED FOR AN ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT REVIEW.

IT ALSO CALLED THAT WE WERE ESSENTIALLY TO WORK TOGETHER. WE HADN'T WE HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER BUT NOT IN A FORMAL CONDITION. SO THIS HELPED US BRING US TOGETHER CLOSER AND THEN ALSO AGREED LIKE I SAID TO WORK ON THIS INDEPENDENT REVIEW.

SO THIS INDEPENDENT REVIEW WAS A JOINT EFFORT AND IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN THE MLA HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCURE THAT THE COUNTY PROCURED.

BUT THE TOWN WAS INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND THAT WAS DONE BY A CONSULTANT BY THE NAME OF CVB. SO THEIR WORK TOOK ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO SO THEY STARTED MARCH 2023 AND THEN WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THEIR WORK IN THE SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME OF THAT YEAR AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THAT THERE WAS A DECISION FOR THE TOWN TO LEAD A THIRD AND SEPARATE INDEPENDENT REVIEW OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY AND AS YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S BEEN A CITIZEN A OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED AND THE TOWN COORDINATOR WITH THE WITH THE CITY'S INTERESTED CITIZENS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT THAT INDEPENDENT REVIEW AND THAT WAS PROCURED BY THE TOWN AND PERFORMED BY LOCK MUELLER GROUP AND ESSENTIALLY WAS ANOTHER MONTHS SO FROM DECEMBER 23 TO JUNE 24 WHICH THAT BRINGS US TO CURRENT HISTORY SO THAT'S PAST HISTORY AND NOW WE'RE GETTING TO CURRENT AND MISS HOWARD IF I NEED TO PAUSE THERE YOU LET ME KNOW. I HAVE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND. WAS ONLY SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS. OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PAST HISTORY, COUNCILMAN GLOVER

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OKAY, SO NOW WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN AND? THIS IS REALLY A LOT OF COPY AND PASTE FROM THE TOWN BUT I WENT BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FROM THE TOWN SO THEY STARTED AT MUNICIPAL CONSENT WHICH. I'LL GET TO IN JUST A SECOND BUT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE MUNICIPAL CONSENT WAS WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE CIB IN END OF MAY AND THE REASON IS UP UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2024 WE HAD BEEN MOVING FORWARD WE. DON'T UPDATE THE COST ESTIMATE MONTHLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO SYSTEMATICALLY THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT OR IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE. SO UP UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2024 WE REALLY HADN'T UPDATED THE PROJECT IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR SO AND OF COURSE WHAT ALSO HAPPENED IN THAT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND THE SEVEN YEARS HAS BEEN COVID AND SPECIFICALLY AFTER COVID SOME HYPERINFLATION THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCED NOT JUST LOCALLY BUT WORLDWIDE, NATIONALLY AND WORLDWIDE.

SO THERE WAS A CALL FOR AN UPDATE TO, THE COST ESTIMATE AND AS EXPECTED THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN COSTS SUBSTANTIALLY. SO THE COST ESTIMATE AHEAD OF TIME WAS APPROXIMATELY $330 MILLION AND AT THIS TIME WE ALREADY HAD THE $300 MILLION.

WE HAD THE THE COUNTY FUNDS, THE DOHERTY FUNDS AND WE'D ALREADY BEEN THE 120 MILLION SAID FUNDS AND IN THE AGREEMENT WITH CIB IT WAS A REMINDER ONE THAT WE WOULD START CONSTRUCTION BY JANUARY 2024 AND THAT WE WOULD BE THE BURDEN FOR ALL THE OVERRUNS.

SO THEY REACHED OUT TO US AFTER DOHERTY PERFORMED A COST ESTIMATE IN FEBRUARY ON OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS WE SENT A QUARTERLY REPORT SO AFTER EACH QUARTER ENDS THE FOLLOWING WE SEND THAT REPORT BY THE 15TH. SO OUR APRIL 15TH REPORT REFLECTED THE UPDATED COST ESTIMATE AND THEY SAID HEY WE NEED TO TALK. YOU ARE BEYOND YOUR TIME COMMITMENT GETTING STARTED JANUARY 1ST AND YOU NEED TO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ,HOW YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE SHORTFALL SO THE NEW COST ESTIMATE AS YOU'VE HEARD HAS BEEN UPDATED TO $488 MILLION AND OUR CURRENT IN FUND IS $298 MILLION.

SO $190 MILLION SHORTFALL. SO WE TOOK A VISIT TO DOT AND IN THAT YOU CAN SEE BELOW THE TEN DAYS BUT IT WAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CIB FROM DOTY AND FROM COUNTY AND FROM OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION AND WE WENT UP THERE AND WE TALKED THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE THINK THE PROJECT IS GOING AND THEIR TWO CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE PROJECT WAS WHERE DO WE STAND WITH MUNICIPAL CONSENT WITH THE TOWN AS WELL AS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR THE SHORTFALL AND WE EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT AT THE THE TOWN WAS WORKING THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW OF THEIR OWN AND THAT THEY WERE TO TAKE THAT UP ON THEIR OWN AND THEN SECONDLY WE TALKED ABOUT OUR UPCOMING REFERENDUM THAT COUNTY COUNCIL WAS ALREADY WORKING ON A TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX IN NOVEMBER AND IN WE EXPLAINED AND DISCUSSION THERE THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT COUNTY COUNCIL DIDN'T FEEL AND COUNTY STAFF DIDN'T FEEL THAT IF WE SHOWED THE FULL $190 MILLION ON THE TRANSFER NEW TRANSPORTATION SALES THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO LARGE OF ASK FOR THE CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THE UPCOMING SALES TAX.

AND SO THE DECISION AND DISCUSSION THROUGH COUNTY COUNCIL WAS TO REFLECT $90 MILLION OF THAT AND THEN WE MADE A ASK FOR A MARCH OF $90 MILLION FROM THE CIB AND MILLION DOLLARS FROM D.O.T. TO HELP US SHORE UP SHORTFALL. NOW THEY DIDN'T TELL US NO BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T TELL US YES. BUT SO WE JUST KIND OF SAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT MEETING IS OUR NEXT ITEM THEY'RE THE NUMBER TWO IF YOU GO UP ON THEM ON PAGE. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SORRY.

SO SO THEY SENT IN JUNE THEY SENT A LETTER TO COUNTY AND SAID OKAY, GIVE US AN UPDATE.

WE APPRECIATE MEETING WITH YOU IN MAY. TELL US AN UPDATE ON MUNICIPAL CONSENT AND THE SHORTFALL SO WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO TELL THEM AT THE SPECIFIC TIME WE WERE STILL GOING THROUGH THE LAST READING OUR ORDINANCE FOR SALES TAX AND THEN TOWN WAS WORKING

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SO AGAIN THEY DIDN'T SAY YES TO THE PROPOSAL AND THEY DIDN'T TELL US NO.

THEY JUST KIND OF SET TO WATCH WHAT WAS HAPPENING UNFOLD. SO MOVING MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE THE COUNTY RESPONDED TO THE MUNICIPAL CONSENT ON NOVEMBER AND THE RESPONSE WAS PROVIDED BACK INTO AGREEMENT SO THEY HAD SENT OVER AN AGREEMENT.

THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THEY HAD LISTED AND COUNTY'S RESPONSE WAS TO SEPARATE THE AGREEMENT INTO BRIDGE RELATED OR PROJECT ROAD RELATED AGREEMENT AND THEN A COMMUNITY RELATED AGREEMENT. SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS SENT BACK TO THEM BASICALLY BIFURCATING WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED. A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE WAS COPY AND PASTE.

THERE WERE COMMENTS A FEW COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON SPECIFIC ITEMS BUT THAT WAS WHAT WAS SENT BACK TO THE TOWN NOT INCLUDED. I DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS ON THE LIST BUT IN THERE WAS NOVEMBER I BELIEVE IT WAS FIFTH WAS THE TRANSPORTATION SALES TAX VALIDATE AND AS WE ARE ALL AWARE IT FAILED WHICH THEN CIB LETTER CAME ON NOVEMBER 7TH SO IT FAILED ON TUESDAY AND WE GOT A LETTER ON THURSDAY AND THEY SAID HEY WE WATCHED YOUR SALES TAX AND IT FAILED. NOW TELL US YOU YOU'VE GOT 15 DAYS TO GIVE US A RESPONSE ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SHORE UP HUNDRED AND $90 MILLION. SO AND THESE ITEMS AGAIN I HAVE LISTED AS ATTACHMENTS THEY'RE ALL IN THE BACK UP AND CAN GET THROUGH AS MANY OF THOSE AS YOU LIKE BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF EACH OF THOSE BUT THEY'RE IN THERE FOR YOURS AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO MOVING ON TO NOVEMBER 18TH SO WE WENT BACK TO THE CIB UNTIL THEY HAD THEY HOSTED A MEETING IN COLUMBIA AND MYSELF AND SENATOR DAVIS ATTENDED THAT MEETING AND SENATOR DAVIS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY CODE I'M SORRY SKIP TO LINE NUMBER EIGHT NUMBER SEVEN EXCUSE ME JUST AHEAD OF THAT MEETING WITH THE SID THE D.O.T. ALSO SENT A LETTER TO THE COUNTY AND THIS LETTER STATED THAT WE KNOW SALES TAX FAILED BUT WE HAVE MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EASTBOUND LANE OF THE MACK VICTORY. SO THEY EXPLAINED WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR THAT ORIGINALLY THEY WERE THINKING THE REPLACEMENT OR THE REHAB WOULD WOULD COST ABOUT $50 MILLION AND ONLY ADD TEN YEARS OF LIFE AND THAT THE NEW OF THE PROJECT TO REPLACE IT WAS APPROXIMATELY $90 MILLION SO THEIR PREFERENCE WAS TO IF THEY HAD TO WAS TO DO THAT REPAIR A REPLACEMENT VERSUS A REHAB BUT THEY WOULD OFFER A AN EXTENSION UNTIL MARCH 31ST THAT THE COUNTY HAD COME UP WITH A PLAN . OTHERWISE THE D.O.T. WOULD MAKE THE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE REPLACE THAT SINGLE SPEND SO TWO DAYS LATER WE ATTENDED THE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18TH AND THAT'S WHERE SENATOR DAVIS REPRESENTED THE COUNTY AND WITH THE LETTER IN HAND FROM JUSTICE SECRETARY JUSTIN POWELL FROM, D.O.T. PROVIDING A MARCH 31ST DEADLINE HE THAT THE CIB ALSO GIVE US AN EXTENSION BEYOND THE 15 DAYS TO COME UP WITH A

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AND THE SAME DATE AS MARCH 31ST 2025. SO THEY LISTEN TO ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WERE ACROSS THE STATE. THEY MADE DECISIONS ON EACH OF THOSE. THEY DID APPROVE THAT REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY SENATOR DAVIS AND B FOR COUNTY AGAIN AND. SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE GIVING FOUR MONTHS GRACE PERIOD TO COME UP WITH A PLAN VERSUS THE TWO WEEKS THAT THEY MENTIONED SO.

LATER THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS HELD LOCALLY COUNTY AND TOWN OFFICIALS ON DECEMBER SIX.

THIS WAS JUST A LOCAL MEETING WITH SENATOR DAVIS AND BEFORE COUNTY AND TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND THE POINT OF THIS MEETING WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE THE ACTIONS THAT HAD JUST BEEN TAKEN AT THE MEETING AND THE LETTER FROM CIB AND IDENTIFY POTENTIAL SOURCES AND DETERMINE WHAT NEXT STEPS HOW HOW THIS NEEDS TO COME THROUGH COUNCILS WORKSHOPS HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THIS FUNDING WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE THAT DECEMBER SIX MEETING AND AND WAS JUST TO PREPLAN HOW DO WE GET TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A COLLECTIVE PLAN TOGETHER AFTER THAT WE STAFF BOTH FROM BEAUFORT COUNTY IN HILTON HEAD ALONG WITH SENATOR MET WITH STAFF OF D.O.T. IN COLUMBIA ON DECEMBER 19TH AND AT THAT MEETING WE DISCUSSED AND OPTIONS WHERE WE WERE KIND OF SPITBALLING IDEAS AT THIS POINT WHAT COULD WE DO, WHAT COULD WE DO JUST ALL HANDS ON DECK WERE IN THERE TO CONTEMPLATE WAYS THAT WE COULD DEVELOP THE PROJECT MOVE THE PROJECT.

WE DIDN'T COME AWAY WITH ANY FAST ACTIONS AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE PATH FORWARD BUT A GOOD DISCUSSION AND OUT OF THAT ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WAS TO HELP BOTH STAFF BRING THIS BACK TO BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY COUNCIL'S WAS TO HELP WITH SOME COST COMPONENT SO IF THERE'S GOT TO BE COST DECISION MADE BY COUNCILS WELL WHAT ARE THOSE COST ELEMENTS AND IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO GET THEM ON A SEGMENT BY SEGMENT BASIS? AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT'S THE BRIDGE COST ITSELF PLUS THE COMPONENTS OF THE BRIDGE EITHER THE MULTI-USE PATH IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SO BASICALLY AN ALA CARTE BUFFET THAT WE COULD COME BACK IN A IN A DISCUSSION FORMAT MUCH LIKE TODAY AND TAKE A IF WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TURN BACK TO THE CIB AND TDOT SO THEN CONTINUING TO MOVE ON ITEM NUMBER 12 HILTON HEAD HOSTED EXCUSE ME NUMBER 11 ON JANUARY 9TH HILTON HEAD WAS PLANNING TO A WORKSHOP ON 278 AND JUST HOURS BEFORE THAT I BELIEVE SENATOR DAVIS HAD FINALIZED LETTER AND THE PROPOSAL THAT HE WENT OVER AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING AND PROVIDED THAT TO BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND WAS APPOINTED DISCUSSION THAT LATER TOOK PLACE THAT AFTERNOON AT THE TOWN'S WORKSHOP. BUT SENATOR DAVIS'S AS HE DESCRIBED ESSENTIALLY WAS TO BUILD WHAT YOU HAVE. SO WE HAD A $500 MILLION PROJECT HE SUGGESTED TO BUILD A $300 MILLION PROJECT AND WITH THE INFORMATION DOT WAS ALREADY WORKING ON HE TALKED WITH SECRETARY POWELL GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON SOME THOSE COST COMPONENTS PRELIMINARY INFORMATION STILL BUT SUGGESTED THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE THREE LANES SPAN RETAINED TWO WESTBOUND LANES AND THEN YOU AT LEAST HAVE FIVE LANES OF CAPACITY GREATER THE FOUR THAT YOU HAVE AND YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH THE TWO WESTBOUND LANES FOR A PERIOD OF WHETHER THAT'S A FUTURE PROJECT OR THAT IS JUST THE IN THE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL THAT THAT OUTLINED IN THE LETTER AND HE TALKED ABOUT THEREAFTER AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 12 IS THE ACTUAL MEETING. SO AT THAT MEETING THE TOWN MANAGER ORLANDO AND PROJECT MANAGER SHAWN COLEN KIND OF TOOK THEIR COUNSEL THROUGH A SIMILAR HISTORY AND CURRENT HISTORY AS I'M DOING HERE TODAY ON WHERE THE PROJECT WAS HAPPENED SINCE THEY LAST MET AND TALKED ABOUT IT AT THEIR JUNE 28TH MEETING FOR MUNICIPAL CONSENT AND THERE WAS A VERY

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GOOD BACK TO THIS I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO BACK TO THE THOUGHTS REAL QUICK OR DO YOU WANT TO STAY WITH HISTORY? HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO WELL? ATLAS WELL MAYBE JUST FOR JARED YEAH, I THINK I THINK YOU CAN ANSWER THESE FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING THAT WILL WATCH LATER WITH THE MARCH 31ST DEADLINE. HOW MUCH LIFE DO WE HAVE LEFT ON THE CURRENT MAGGIE EASTBOUND SPAN AND TO HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO DESIGN THE THREE LANES NEW ONES IF THAT'S APPROACH WE TAKE AND HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO GET SHOVEL TO GROUND ROUGHLY THE FIRST QUESTION HOW LONG DO WE HAVE ON? WE'RE OUT OF TOWN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TIME THE EASTBOUND LANES SO THEY HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE LIFE AND THE SAFETY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO QUESTION TWO AND THREE HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO DESIGN AND GET IN THE GROUND? SO DO YOU TEASE LETTER AND THIS JUST THE OTHER DAY TOWNS WORKSHOP WE ALL SIT ON DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND HAVE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE PROJECT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF WHERE WE HAVE EACH AGENCY

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GERALD FORWARD TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR TO MIKE MOORE.

THANK YOU. OUR OTHER COUNCILMAN FROM MILTON HAD ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, GOOD. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF AND IN OUR IN COUNCIL INVESTMENT TO INVOLVED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

OKAY. WE WANT TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO MIKE MOORE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREATHER DURING OUR. YEAH. I MEAN WE NEED A SO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S DISCUSSION YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE AMONG YOURSELVES IN TERMS OF I THINK REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS IS THE CONCEPT SENATOR DAVIS OUTLINE IS THAT SOMETHING YOU KNOW IN GENERALLY HERE WE HAVE QUESTIONS MAYBE GET INTO THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF A WAY AHEAD DO WE WANT TO PUT THAT COST? WE COULD PUT THE LETTER BACK UP. THE LETTER BACK UP WAS ABSOLUTELY I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND THAT IS TYPICALLY IS MR. MAYOR, ARE YOU WILLING TO TALK HOW TOWN FEELS ABOUT THE SENATOR'S PROPOSAL? IS THAT APPROPRIATE NOW TO HEAR THAT I MEAN WE'VE REFERENCED A FEW TIMES LEAVE THAT TO THE GENERAL REPUBLICANS AND LET'S LOOK AT THE NUMBERS BEFORE WE AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, SO AND ONE THING IT WAS NOT MENTIONED IS PART OF THIS FUNDING INCLUDES THE 2018 REFERENDUM.

THERE WAS 80 MILLION AS PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FROM THE 2018 REFERENDUM.

THERE'S GOING TO BE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THE 2024 REFERENDUM AND THAT DID NOT PASS. AND PART OF THAT THE 80 MILLION.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG GOES THE MATCH WITH THE YES IS ALL ENCOMPASSED IN THE AGREEMENT LANGUAGE SO THE HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN TERMS OF THE REFERENDUM ON THE 80 MILLION TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AND SO THAT'S YOU KNOW PART OF THIS IS AND WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS IF YOU RECALL BACK IN NOVEMBER AFTER WE GOT THE LETTER AT THAT TIME COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS YOU KNOW, NO ADDITIONAL FUNDING OTHER THAN WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED.

SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT LED SENATOR DAVIS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE USE OF THE FUNDS WE HAVE THE THE TO CONSIDER IS EVEN WITH THE PROJECT COST UNDER THE CURRENT AG WITH THE CIB THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT I.E. THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERAGES AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER CAREFULLY GOING FORWARD WHEN WE GO TO RENEGOTIATE WITH THE THIS BUT I THINK THE QUESTIONS FOR THE CIB ARE GOING TO YOU KNOW GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING WE'VE ALREADY PUT FORTH AND THE FACT IS THIS AND I THINK SENATOR ALLUDED TO THIS AND NOW WE'RE ONLY GOING TO REPAIR THE EASTBOUND LANES OF THE ENTIRE BRIDGE OR IS THE COMMITMENT GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME? THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S A QUESTION I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HEAR FROM IF THEY'RE STILL COMMITTED TO 120. CORRECT.

EVEN THOUGH THE PROJECT IS ONLY GOING TO BE IT'S BEEN SCOPED ESSENTIALLY AND I THINK SENATOR DAVIS RECOGNIZED THAT AS PART OF THE QUESTIONS WE'LL NEED TO ASK THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS YOU KNOW DO YOU T WILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM TOMORROW YOU KNOW WHAT DOES DOT I MEAN IT'S IT'S IT'S D.O.T. IT'S A STATE BRIDGE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AS WELL AS FEDERAL HIGHWAY SO I MEAN THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE WEIGH IN ON THIS PROJECT SO IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING TIMELINE TO GET EVERYTHING LINED UP BY THE 31ST BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME SORT OF A FRAMEWORK AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENTS.

SO WITH THAT ANY ANY QUESTIONS, ANY SO OUR OPERATING IS THAT COUNCIL'S COMMITTED TO WHERE WE ARE TO THE CURRENT FUNDING LEVELS AND WORKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE

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YEAH. SO FOR THE RECORD, ALAN PERRY, MAYOR OF HILTON HEAD ISLAND WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY VOTES OR ANY WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD WORKSHOPS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE STANDS, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHAT THEY WOULD NOT LIKE SEE WHAT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR WHAT THEY WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE. WE HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS WHERE IS THE MONEY? ALL RIGHT. $120 MILLION WE FEEL I FEEL I SHOULD SAY I FEEL THAT THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE REDUCED SO HOW CAN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THIS BRIDGE? IT'S GIVE ME LESS $300 MILLION. BUT WE'RE FACING A CRISIS OF HAVING THAT BRIDGE LOAD POSTED. YOU KNOW, WE AT HELENE WE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE INTERSTATE 40 UP IN NORTH CAROLINA AND TENNESSEE.

IF WE HAD A STORM THAT HAD BIG WINDS THAT WOULD NOT COULD KNOCK THAT BRIDGE OUT.

SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE THINGS FIGURED OUT WELL BY MARCH 31ST IT IS OUR ECONOMICS LIVELIHOOD . IT IS OUR STABILITY. IT IS OUR SAFETY.

IT'S GETTING KIDS TO SCHOOL. IT'S GETTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES ACROSS THE BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, STARTING IN 27 AND THEN FINISHING DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S TOO LONG.

BUT COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS AS TO WHERE EACH ONE OF US STAND INDIVIDUALLY, LISTEN TO OUR CONSTITUENTS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING THEM CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO. THIS HAS GONE ON FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'RE FROM 2017 TO 2025. IT HAS CAUSED A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF DIVERSITY AND WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED OFF OF THE DATA AND THE THAT WE HAVE AND THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE DOLLARS AND THEN IT COMES TO IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE, THEN HOW IS IT PAID FOR? SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO ADDRESS A SITUATION AND COME UP WITH OPTIONS AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE PARAMETERS AS TO HOW WE CAN DO THAT.

I PERSONALLY WANT TO SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL COUNTY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.

I WANT TO KNOW WHERE Y'ALL STAND BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE DRIVER AS TO WHAT THE TOWN DOES SO I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE TO COMMENT.

SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY HOPE THAT TOMORROW YOU'LL HAVE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUNDING. LOOK, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME ANSWERS TOMORROW BUT I ALSO THINK THAT SOME ANSWERS WILL COME DIRECTLY TO MR. MOORE AFTER THE MEETING.

I JUST HAVE A FEELING BECAUSE IT IS THE COUNTY'S PROJECT AND YES WE'RE THE RECIPIENT BUT WE'RE NOT DRIVING THE BUS. SO I JUST HAVE A FEELING THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TOMORROW I'M GOING IN WITH A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT I'VE ASKED EACH OF OUR COUNCILMEMBERS TO WRITE UP SO THAT WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED . BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TOMORROW ON FUNDING? I DON'T THINK SO. AND JARED AND MR. MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. BUT THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE IN THE MEETING. SO YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THEY PULLED 420 MILLION OUT OF CHARLESTON RIGHT. SO THEY DID THAT LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ALSO GET IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE COMPONENTS RIGHT TO THE MAYOR'S POINT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPONENTS WE FIGURE OUT THE SIBS NOT GOING TO GIVE US ALL OF IT.

WHAT CAN WE FIX I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL HERE IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COMPONENTS AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER YOU KNOW THE THE WIDTH OF THE BRIDGE, THE PEDESTRIAN A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO FALL AND WE'LL JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE RIGHT. SO HAVING ATTENDED BOTH YOUR LAST TWO WORKSHOPS AND THANKS FOR BEING THERE. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO LEAVE.

WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING BUT AT THE ONE THE OTHER DAY MONDAY YOU'RE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRETTY DIVERSE THEN THEY WANTED TO SEE FROM THIS ONE WANTED BIKE PATHS ANOTHER ONE SAID NO

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SO AGAIN, THERE'S TOO MANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE WHAT WAS YOUR WAS THERE CONSENSUS ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED A REVERSIBLE LANE YEAH NO AND I HAD TO LEAVE.

OKAY. NO I WOULD SAY THERE WAS NOT IN AND PART OF THAT I THINK COMES DOWN TO IT IT CAN BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS TOMORROW TWO DOT YEARS TO FIRMLY STATE WHAT THEY WILL AND WILL NOT ACCEPT. OKAY. YOU KNOW YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT TOLL BRIDGES. THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT REVERSIBLE LANES.

THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT X, Y AND Z WHAT IS NOT ON THE TABLE. RIGHT.

AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND AND IS BE PUT IN BLACK AND WHITE FROM THE D.O.T. ON THEIR LETTERHEAD STATING THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO US WE WILL NOT DO IT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO NARROW DOWN IN THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GET COUNCIL TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ALL SPEAKING ABOUT THE SAME PARAMETERS. SO THANKS FOR INVITING US TO THIS MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. LARRY HAS ONE MORE AND THEN I'LL GO TO TOM. I'LL THROW THIS OUT TO THE ENGINEERING STAFF I'M SURE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE. IS IT YOUR IMPRESSION THAT THE BIKE PATH AND PEDESTRIAN PATH ARE IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE AND IF SO WOULD A REDUCTION IN THE LOAD LIMITS ON THE BRIDGE DESTINED FOR DESTRUCTION ALLOW THAT CONCRETE WITH A LOAD RESTRICTION REDUCTION BE AVAILABLE FOR THAT BIKE PATH? PEDESTRIAN RIGHTS WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU WILL DEFER TO JARED ON THAT I THINK THE FIRST PART IS AN IMPORTANT I THINK THE MAYOR WOULD PROBABLY SAY YES IS IMPORTANT BUT RIGHT NOW THE COST THAT WE'VE GOT THE CITY IS THE BYPASS ON THE LANE ON THE BRIDGE AS WELL.

THERE'S THERE'S THE DOCK PORTION ON THE ON THE SIDE COUNTY SIDE IS 40 TO $50 MILLION. SO WHEN WE'RE TAKING OFF BITS AND PIECES, THAT'S ONE THING AS FAR AS THE EXISTING BRIDGE I DON'T BELIEVE THE D.O.T. WANTS TO MAINTAIN THE IN THAT CONDITION REGARDLESS OF THE LOAD IS IN VERY POOR CONDITION ALSO TO THAT OF THE EXISTING WESTBOUND LANES WOULD BE RETAINED BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING AFTER YOU CROSS PINCKNEY ISLAND WE STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THE ISLAND SO PROPOSED AND SENATOR DAVIS HIS LETTER IS A BYPASS SO BASICALLY THE EASTBOUND DON'T TOUCH ON PINCKNEY AND WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED BY D.O.T. HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THEM AS THE ACCESS TO AND FROM PINCKNEY IS FROM THAT REMAINING EASTBOUND SPAN WHAT WOULD THAT KICK US INTO ANOTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THIS GOING TO BE SOME D.O.T. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE GUIDANCE HOW MUCH WE MODIFY PROPOSED PLAN TODAY IS DO WE GO START OVER OR CAN WE JUST MODIFY WHAT WE HAVE AND ? THOSE ARE ANSWERS WHEN DON'T TALKING ABOUT PINCKNEY ISLAND AND BYPASS THAT WELL ESSENTIALLY THE THE NEW THREE LANE SPAN IN THE PROPOSED FROM SENATOR DAVIS IS IN THE EXACT FOOTPRINT AS THE PROPOSED SIX LANE SO THAT ALL MEASURES UP THE DIFFERENCES IN THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT THE ENTIRETY OF THE EXISTING SPANS ARE DEMOED WHICH IS A NET POSITIVE THE PROJECT SO NOW WE'RE LOSING THAT NET POSITIVE IMPACTS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DEMOING THAT OUT.

SO THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY NEED TO FIT IN ENVIRONMENTAL BUT JUST THEN IT NEED TO BE MODIFIED. WE'LL START DOWN THERE AND LET EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SAY TOM GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE THE PATIENCE BASIC QUESTION SO YOUR QUESTION IS WITH SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS UNANSWERED THESE VARIABLES UNKNOWN MR. MOORE WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS TODAY THAT YOU WANT THIS WORKSHOP RUN BY? WHAT DO YOU EXPECT US TO ACCOMPLISH? OUR MAIN GOAL WAS TO BRING YOU ALL GET A COMMON UNDERSTANDING

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THAT'S WHAT WE APPRECIATE. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT I HEAR FROM, SENATOR DAVIS IS WE HAVE WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TWO BRIDGES ON HILTON HEAD.

WE'RE GOING TAKE CARE OF THE EASTBOUND FIRST WHICH IS I WOULD CONSIDER PHASE ONE COMPLETING THAT AND THEN WITH SOME TERM SOMEBODY ELSE DOWN THE ROAD WILL DEAL WITH PHASE TWO WHICH WOULD BE THE WESTBOUND. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM NOW.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND I AM VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT PROPOSAL . I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE THREE LANES. I PREFER THE BIKE PATH BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT SENATOR DAVIS SAID THAT THE BIKE PATH COULD BE A PART OF PHASE TWO AND THE ONLY OTHER CONCERNS I HAVE IS FOR I WROTE IT DOWN SOMEWHERE BEFORE ACCESS TO HAIG POINT LANDING WINDMILL HARBOR LIGHTS THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THERE THE PINCKNEY ISLAND ACCESS AND JENKINTOWN THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ACCESS TO STUFF ARE ADHERED TO. THAT'S MY LOW LOAD THOSE THINGS I'LL IN AGREEMENT I CAN SUPPORT THIS AND I THINK IT YES AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT UNDERSTAND THE WESTBOUND LANE IS PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS OUT AND SO THE WESTBOUND IS NOT REALLY THE IS THE IS IS A CRITICAL POINT AT THIS TIME IN TERMS OF THE ACCESS THE ISLAND.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK. YEAH UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT BUT THE ISLAND THE ACCESS TO PINCKNEY OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE CONSIDERATIONS AS. WELL, IF IT'S A IF IT'S ONE SPAN IT'S GOING TO REPLACE THE TWO. THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ON THAT.

SO THANK YOU, JOE. OKAY. WHERE I STAND TO REPAIR THE BRIDGE WE'VE THE NUMBER OF $50 MILLION SEEMS LIKE A WASTE MONEY BECAUSE IT ONLY BUYS US A FEW YEARS. ONE. AND WHILE YOU'RE REPAIRING THAT BRIDGE YOU CANNOT USE THAT BRIDGE. THEREFORE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PUT ON THE WESTBOUND LANES EAST AND WEST THAT'S AN ECONOMIC DISASTER.

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RIGHT SO THOSE ARE THE ESSENTIAL THINGS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO.

OKAY. AND WE'RE WRITING THESE DOWN SO WE WILL TAKE THEM WITH US TOMORROW. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS IF SURFBOARD THING I NEEDED TO ADDRESS IF IF THERE IS A REDUCTION IN FUNDING FROM THE CIP THERE IS $80 MILLION THAT'S THERE FROM FROM THE 2018 REFERENDUM PART OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE USED ON THE ISLAND FOR THE STONEY CORRIDOR SO THE WHOLE $80 MILLION IS NOT THERE TO GO NOW TO THE BRIDGE SO WHAT'S LEFT OF THE BRIDGE IF THERE'S THE SUB CUTS LET'S JUST SAY CUT IT IN HALF SO NOW YOU'RE 60 MILLION NOW WE TAKE IT IT FROM 200 300 MILLION TO 240 MILLION BUT THE COST IS 250 MILLION. WHAT THAT 80 MILLION THAT'S THERE FROM FROM A TAX REFERENDUM. PART OF IT HAS GOT TO BE USED IN THE STONEY AREA FOR IMPROVEMENTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL ACCESS OF THAT $80 MILLION, CORRECT? I'M NOT SO SURE BUT THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IS THAT THERE IS AN IMPROVEMENT THROUGH THE FROM THE MOSS CREEK TO SPANISH WELLS AND IF WE'RE NOW JUST TALKING ABOUT MACKIE'S CREEK AND SKULL CREEK THEN WE'RE NOT DOING ANY GOOD ON THE REST OF THE CORRIDOR SO THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. SO I HAVE A COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH THAT IF THAT IS TRUE IF WE HAVE TO USE IT AT THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LOOKING AT. ONE THING I WENT TO THE FIRST MEETING ON JANUARY 9TH I HEARD YOUR COUNCIL THAT THE MY DISTRICT AND I KNOW YORK'S DISTRICT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL EVERY DAY TO HELP ME IN THE WORK RIGHT NOW MIDDLEBURY'S I SEE THE BUSSES COMING BACK YOU KNOW TO WALMART AND TO THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON LADY'S ISLAND 8:00 AT NIGHT WE NEED A BRIDGE WE NEED A GOOD BRIDGE. WE NEED A SAFE BRIDGE FOR ALL OF YOU FOR COUNTY. BUT WE ALSO NEED COOPERATION BECAUSE WE NEED THE MEMORANDUM SIGNED QUICKLY WHENEVER WE GET TO THAT POINT WITH THE TOWN OF HILTON HEAD AND I KNOW THERE I HEARD A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF ONES FROM YOUR COUNCIL AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT OFFENSIVELY I UNDERSTAND IT I HAD A LONG LIST A ONCE WHEN I WAS YOUNGER FOR THINGS I WANTED IN A HOUSE . I DIDN'T GET ALL THOSE THINGS AND I'M NOT YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST ANALOGY BUT WE GOT TO LIVE WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND WE DON'T THAT EXTRA MONEY THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AND I'M I'M PREGNANT AS A CHOIR I KNOW THAT BUT I JUST WANT US ALL TO KEEP IN MIND THIS THIS HILTON HEAD IS VERY IMPORTANT BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO THE WORKFORCE IN COUNTY. ABSOLUTELY. AND OTHER COUNTIES ALLENDALE.

ABSOLUTELY IT IS. AND I'M GLAD YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M HERE TO WORK TOGETHER RIGHT AS WE ALL ARE. I MEAN WE'VE GOT TO TURN THIS TIDE AND WE'VE GOT TO ALL BE ON ON THE SAME PAGE AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND GUESTS. SURE. OKAY.

SO ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BLESS YOU.

WRAP IT UP. OKAY. TWO THINGS.

ONE, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TOMORROW BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO LODGE IT IN

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CAN I DRIVE OVER BRIDGE AS FREQUENTLY AS EVERYBODY ELSE DOES AND I'M WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO THE PARKING LOT FOR THE FERRY SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO BRING IT UP.

YOU KNOW, BUT I DO WANT TO START THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE YEAH THAT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AND THAT HAS BEEN PART I WOULD JUST ADVOCATE JARED TO SAY THE SAME IT IS A PART OF BEING PART OF THE DESIGN GOING FORWARD. WE ALREADY KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THIS BUT YES I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO THINK. THEY'LL BRING IT UP TOMORROW. AND THE FINAL THING FOR ME IS YEAH AM UNALTERABLY OPPOSED TO ANY RECOMMENDATION THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT AT WINDMILL HARBOR BE REMOVED AND I WILL NOT CHANGE THAT POSITION I UNDERSTOOD. DULY NOTED.

YES ABSOLUTELY. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MR. CALLAGHAN ABOUT THE LIGHT.

IT WILL RUIN THE HARBOR BUT THE OTHER THING IS ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS MELINDA I THINK RAISED THE QUESTION IS THE 20 MILLION FOR THE WATER PIPE IN THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG HIT RIGHT AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THE UTILITY RELOCATION THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN BRING UP TOMORROW AND SHE THAT OR IF EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER THERE IS A WATER PIPE BSD ONE OPERATES OUT OF THIS GOES IN THAT WATER PIPE HAS TO BE MOVED YES IT'S PART UTILITY RELOCATION. YES, $20 BILLION IT'S A HEADS UP BUDGET RIGHT. NOW I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.

I REMEMBER MANY MEETINGS THAT MR. GARRIGAN CAME TO AND THEY BROUGHT A BUSLOAD OF PEOPLE ABOUT THE LIGHT AT WINDMILL HARBOR ONE NIGHT AND I CONCUR WITH LARRY THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED TO STAY THERE FOR LOTS OF REASONS. OKAY.

WE'LL LET YOU WRAP IT UP I GUESS UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMENTS THIS IS OKAY THIS HAS BEEN HELPFUL TO HEAR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE THAT AS WE JARED HAD MENTIONED WE CAN TAKE THAT ALL WITH US TOMORROW AND HAVE THOSE ADDRESSED SO WE CAN COME BACK AND ONCE WE GET INFORMATION WE'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL AND THEN WE'LL WORK TO DETERMINE WHERE THE NEXT AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL THE TOWN WILL BE THERE AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE TOWN ON NEXT TERMS. THIS IS A QUICK QUESTION ON THIS, JARED.

I GUESS AS AN ENGINEER IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE BRIDGE EASTBOUND, IS THAT GOING TO BE ONE BRIDGE OR TWO BRIDGE IS ONE COMPLETE BRIDGE. IT WOULD BE ONE COMPLETE BRIDGE IS THE ELEVATION GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH AS AS YOU BUILD IT TONIGHT IMPACT AT ALL THE TRAFFIC FLOW ETC. ETC. ON ON THE EASTBOUND CURRENTLY NO. YES.

SO THIS KIND OF TIES INTO COUNCILMAN MCKELLEN'S QUESTION SO THE WAY THE SIX LANE BRIDGE IS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. LET ME BACK UP THE EXISTING BRIDGES SO EVERYBODY IS UNDER SAYING SHEET OF MUSIC. THEY COME AND THEN THEY MEET AT PINKY AND THE THING THEN THEY GO DOWN TO THE EARTH SO THEY'RE BRIDGES THE SIX LANE BRIDGE IT COMES DOWN SLIGHTLY BUT IT NEVER TOUCHES GROUND. IT STAYS AS A BRIDGE SECTION ACROSS PINCKNEY ISLAND THIS IS THE ENGINEERING PART AND IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNED YET WITH NEW THREE LANE BRIDGE AS SENATOR DAVIS IS PROPOSING. IF THAT WAS TO TAKE PLACE AND THE FERRY OPERATIONS REMAIN ACTIVE AS IT IS THE BRIDGE WOULD STAY ELEVATED ACROSS PINCKNEY BUT PROBABLY HAVE TO STAY HIGHER THAN IT WOULD IN THE SIX LANE VERSION SO THAT TRAILERS CAN GO BENEATH TO GET DOWN TO THE BOAT LANDING AND THE FERRY.

SO SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WE HAVE TO HOMES AND IN THE FUTURE SIX LANE BRIDGE WE STILL HAVE TWO HOMES BUT THERE'S THERE'S NOT IT DOESN'T GO AS WELL IN THE DECK AND THEN IN THIS SCENARIO THAN LIKELY TO BE ENGINEERED IT WOULD PROBABLY STAY HIGHER THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY AND COME DOWN ON THE SO FROM MY GRAPHICS YEAH OKAY WHICH PROBABLY WOULD NOT TAKE TOO OF THE FOOTPRINT ON THE LANDING ON BOTH ENDS. YEAH SO THE FOOTPRINT WOULD BE DESIGNED AND WE'D HAVE TO WHERE IT WOULD DO AN ENGINEERING ON THE SPACING OF EACH PILLAR SO THAT WE COULD ROUTE TRAFFIC TRAFFIC AND FERRY TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT SCENARIO.

I'M JUST THINKING OKAY IS THERE ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OF MY FOLKS COULD SAY THAT CONCLUDES OUR OUR PRESENTATION BARRING ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL OR QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE US TO TAKE TOMORROW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE GOING OF EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, EXCELLENT INPUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC THAT CAME TONIGHT NOT TONIGHT IT'S NOT NIGHT YET THIS AFTERNOON YET NOT YET. AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK

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NO OTHER BUSINESS. WELL, MR. I SUGGESTED TO THE CHAIRWOMAN WE DON'T HAVE COMMUNITY MONDAY SINCE YOU'RE GOING TOMORROW CAN DO AN UPDATE I MEAN TIME WE COULD DO A WORKSHOP ABSOLUTELY SOME KIND OF WE COULD SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP TO COME BACK AND DO AN UPDATE SO COULD BE READY 2:00 ON MONDAY AND THEN WE HAVE TO JARED HERE JARED YOU DON'T NEED TO SLEEP THIS WEEKEND. YOU'RE YOUNG YEAH I MEAN WELL WE'LL HAVE INFORMATION COME BACK AND REPORT I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY THAT REPORT WILL BE BUT WE CAN REPORT AND HAVE AN OPEN DIALOG AND AND IF WE DO THAT CONTINUES THE CONVERSATION IN THE OPEN FORMAT AND SO REGARDLESS WHETHER THE 30 MINUTE OR THREE HOUR MEETING I THINK IT COULD BE A GOOD USAGE.

I THINK YOU SEE THE SHORT REPORT WE COULD DO AS A WORKSHOP SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. YEAH IT WAS CLEAR IN HILTON HEAD GET MOVING IN AND WE ALL JUST SAID GET MOVING. SO IF YOU GET THE INFORMATION MONDAY WE CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP. WE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. I THINK FOR SURE IT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE GET BACK AND WHAT WE STILL NEED TO LEARN WE CAN LEAST TELL YOU THAT TOO.

OKAY SO IF YOU CAN'T COME BACK WITHOUT THAT MONEY YOU BETTER BRING YOUR TOOTHBRUSH.

GOT THE MONEY? THANK YOU MUCH. OKAY, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU GUYS

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