[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:09] JANUARY 2825 SO COUNCIL QUARTERLY CFP WORKSHOP RECALLS MEETING THE ORDERED START OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ONLY TWO AGENDA ITEMS IT WAS PUBLIC COMMENT NO [2. PUBLIC COMMENTS] I'M SORRY YOU LOOK UP ON UP YOU DIDN'T YOU NEED US OUT OF THE WORKSHOP SO MR. B A MEMBER OF COUNCIL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ON THE TOPIC NAME AND ADDRESS FURLOUGH IT'S YOUR 131 BRIDGE STREET ASSEMBLY ON ITS FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL FOR GIVING MATTER CONSIDERATION AND IT'S BEEN A A MATTER OF GREAT CONVERSATION ON THE PAST AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE FEDERAL RESPONSE INTENTION AND GIVEN ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT JUST RAISED THIS I KNOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SENT MESSAGES AND MY EMAIL ISN'T OF ENFORCEABILITY AS CURRENTLY I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE ORDINANCES ON IN PLACE THAT COULD BE VIOLATED CAN YOU CALL TO REPORT IT AND THEN YOU KNOW 10 MINUTES STATING IT AGAIN AND THEN NOTHING CHANGES IT'S A POSSIBILITY IT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT I WOULD RAISED THAT WHAT DO WE DO IF THERE IS SOME VIOLATIONS? AND THEN ALSO JUST TO SAY IT'S GREAT THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE BEING USED I THINK EVERYONE I KNOW SPEAKING TO THAT IS VERY FAVORABLE THE WELCOMING COMMUNITY AND HAVING THOSE AVAILABLE FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES AND A LOT OF TIMES THE NOISE UNNOTICED A LOT PERSPECTIVE WE'RE SIX BLOCKS OF UNIVERSITY AND THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'RE WATCHING TV IN THE HOME AND WE CAN HEAR THE BOOM BOOM BOOM FROM THE OYSTER FACTORY OVER THE NOISE IN THE TELEVISION. SO IT'S THOSE KINDS OF I LIKE THAT YOU MENTIONED TRAFFIC AND CARGO SPOT AND IT'S GOT THOSE SUBWOOFERS. IT'S JUST POUNDING OUT THE SIDE IS THE BASS THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST ANNOYING AND IT ACTUALLY CAN FEEL IT IN YOUR CHEST EVEN DOWN YOU KNOW, FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM THE OCEAN. SO WE ALL WANT TO SEE BLUFFTON ENJOYED BY EVERY RESIDENT THAT VISITORS ALIKE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION ON THE SOUND BUT JUST UNFORTUNATELY WHAT DO WE DO THINGS ARE VIOLATED THEN ALSO FROM A PRISON IT'S JUST IF THEY CAN ONLY THE BASS DOWN SOMETIMES THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION . JUST HOPE AND PRAY GOOD THINGS. NOW LISTEN THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO A LITTLE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I SAY WE'LL START [3.1. Discussion of Proposed Amendments to the Southern Lowcountry Stormwater Design Manual’s Fee-In-Lieu Program. Kimberly Washok-Jones, Director of Projects and Watershed Resilience] OFF WITH DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SOUTHERN SOUTHERN WELL COUNTRY'S OWN WATER DESIGN MANUALS. THE ONLY PROGRAM ANDREA THAT EVENING WE HAVE ALL SO WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SOUTHERN COUNTRIES THE WATER DESIGN MANUAL PROGRAM NOW FOR TODAY I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU SEE A LOT OF WATER SAID RECENTLY AND SO I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THE WETLANDS AND ORDINANCES AND ALSO THE ONGOING COMPREHENSIVE CITIES TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION FROM. SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU'LL PROVIDE COUNSEL ON THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. IT PERTAINS TO FEE BLUE AND ANY KEY PROCESS SO SO CAN I FLIP THINGS AROUND FOR YOU BUT JUST AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION I WANT YOU GUYS TO JUST CONVEY A SENSE WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO IT OBVIOUSLY AT THE END. BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THIS IN PRIVATE SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT? OKAY SO MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE UNDER WATER AT THE TOWN HOUSING AND THAT'S WHERE I THE TOWN AS IT IS OR WHAT'S REQUIRED ACTUALLY ENDS THE MINIMIZE TO THE NAVY MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED VIA ADHERENCE TO THE AUDIO IN OUR FOUR WATER DESIGN MANUAL AND THROUGH THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL DEVELOPERS MAKE SUBMIT FOR MEP WHEN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HINDSIGHT CONSTRAINTS TYPICALLY IT'S SOILS OR HIGH SEAS ON THE WATER TABLE WHICH PREVENT FORKING WITH OUR STORMWATER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR WATER RETENTION VOLUME WHICH IS ONE THING FOR EXAMPLE IN OUR STORMWATER STANDARDS ARE HERE AND A SITE MAY ONLY BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HERE THEY WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED AN MEP SUBMITTAL TO US WHICH THEN STAFF WOULD REVIEW [00:05:04] AND EITHER APPROVE OR DENY FOR THAT DIFFERENCE. SO IN LOU AND THE THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN THE YELLOW SORORITY MANUAL GIVES THE TOWN AS THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A FEE IN LIEU PROGRAM AND THESE PROPOSED EDITS JUST GIVE US THAT MECHANISM TO DO SO SPECIFICALLY LIKE I SAID WHEN THEY DEVELOPMENT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE ON THEIR SITE THE STORMWATER THOSE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS TO SUBMIT FOR THEIR MEP ANALYSIS AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE A FEE IN LIEU. SO IT'S BASICALLY AGAIN WE'RE HERE THEY CAN ONLY BE HERE SO THIS IS THE MEP PROCESS THEY PAID SHORTFALL FOR WHAT THEY CANNOT ACHIEVE ON THEIR SITE AND THAT FEE ITSELF THE UNIT COST WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO ARE THE BASIS FOR IT BUT THE UNIT COST ITSELF WOULD BE PART THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE SO THAT WOULD BE RULED OUT AS PART 26% ON BUDGET. SO WHAT WOULD THE TOWN DO WITH THESE FUNDS? WELL THEY WOULD BE USED TO FUND THE AND MAINTENANCE OF IN PERVIOUS RESTORATION WATER QUALITY OF PS PURCHASE OF LAND FOR A CONSERVATION AREAS UNDERSERVED OPEN SPACE PROTECTION OF LAND AND ALSO PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT SO THE MONETARY BASIS FOR FEE IN LIEU AND WOULD BE LIKE SAY LIKE A FAMILY PAYMENT WOULD BE BASED AND EQUAL TO A UNIT OF S.W.O.R.D. SO WHAT MEANS IS AGAIN WE LOOK AT WATER QUALITY IN CUBIC FEET BASICALLY WHATEVER THEY CAN'T SHE EVEN CUBIC FEET IS EQUAL TO A UNIT COST THAT THEY HAVE PAY SO SAY A DEVELOPER TO RETAIN AND TREAT 10,000 SQUARE CUBIC FEET OF STORMWATER BUT THEY COULD ONLY DO SEVEN ON THEIR SITE OR THEN THEY'D BE PAYING 3000 TIMES THIS UNIT COSTS WHICH IS THE FEELING LIKE THE IF A DEVELOPER IN OR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THAT CAN BE OR PROVIDE THE LAND FOR IT THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT UNIT COSTS COULD BE REDUCED ACCORDINGLY THE FAMILY RATE I SAID IS FOR THE FAMILY RATE WOULD BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE TOWN'S FEE SCHEDULE UNDER STORMWATER AND THEN WE WOULD UPDATE IT ANNUALLY AS PART OF THE BUDGET AS NEEDED BASED ON CHANGES IN THE LAND OR MAINTENANCE OF THE PS ETC. SO THE COMPLIANCE WE WOULD ADD THIS IN AND AGAIN I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE BUT THEY THE COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR IS SORT OF A PLUG IN TERM FOR DEVELOPERS TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THEY ARE REQUIRED TO TO TREAT AND THEN HOW THEY CAN DO SO THROUGH BEST. SO WE WERE GOING TO ADD A BASICALLY TO THIS COMPLIANCE CALCULATOR THAT SHOULD THEY OPT AN MEP SUBMITTAL IT BASICALLY GIVES THEM THAT DOLLAR VALUE THAT THEY KNOW UPFRONT WHAT IT WOULD BE, WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR SO THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE MEP NOW AGAIN THAT FEE IN LIEU RATE WHERE THE ONE 5192 IT'S PROVIDED EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW BUT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE UNTIL WE GO TO THE BUDGET CYCLE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2016 OKAY SO NOW WHAT DO THAT DOLLAR IS GOING TO BE IN A MASTER FEE SCHEDULE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 SO I'M I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT LIKE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT I'M GIVING AS AN EXAMPLE BUT IT'S NOT PART OF A TAX AMENDMENTS OTHER DESIGN MANUALS THAT WE GIVE YOU LIKE THE BASIS AND THE NUMBER IS DERIVED IN THE DESIGN MANUAL AND WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH IT AND THEN THE MATTER FEE SCHEDULE IS WHAT ACTUALLY STIPULATES THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. OKAY SO HERE IS EXAMPLE THESE ARE ACTUALLY ALL PROJECTS WITH APPROVED MEP SUBMITTALS SHOWING THE FEE IN LIEU THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED HAD FEE AND BEEN ESTABLISH AT THE TIME AND YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE DOLLAR AMOUNTS GOING YOU KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY BUT FEE IN LIEU IS MEANT TO GIVE DEVELOPERS AN OUT FOR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS. THE FEE INCLUDING THE AMOUNT FAMILY AMOUNT MAY CAUSE THEM TO THE DEVELOPER TO RECONSIDER THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THEY'RE PROPOSING OR CHANGING THE PAVING TYPE IN THEIR PARKING LOT. BUT THE DEVELOPER GETS TO CHOOSE WHETHER TO PAY A FEE IN LIEU TO DO MORE TO ACHIEVE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS OR TO NOT THAT IS THE DEVELOPER'S CHOICE AND SO WITH THAT BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE OF GONE OVER AND I UNDERSTAND WAS FAST BUT I HAVE A COUPLE CONSIDERATION FOR YOU GUYS SO WITH THAT DO YOU ALL AGREE A MONETARY BASIS FOR FEE IN LIEU MEANING THAT THAT'S THE BASIC NUMBER COST BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ALL WILL ON THAT [00:10:05] LATER I HEARD YOU ON THAT LATER BUT THAT IT BE YOU ARE A UNIT OF STORMWATER RETENTION VOLUME QUESTION BRIDGET BUT I THINK MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THE RATIO THAT YOU HAVE HERE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPACTS THIS WOULD BE TO THE TOWN IN TERMS OF IF SOMEONE IS UNABLE MEET THEIR MEP REQUIREMENTS AND WE IN TURN TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MITIGATION IN PLACE IN TERMS OF WHATEVER THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL UP TO WHATEVER OUR STORMWATER STANDARD SO IN UNDERSTANDING LIKE WHETHER THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE LIKE MORE MAINTENANCE ON OUR PART OR OF GOING AND ADDING ADDITIONAL THING LIKE I KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF ASSUMING OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS THEN I COULD SAY LIKE I THINK YOUR I THINK THIS WORD WOULD MAKE SENSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE I SAY YES SO IT'D IT TO BECOME SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY WE END UP HAVING TO EXPEND MORE FUNDS TO TRY TO TO ADDRESS THAT SO I CAN YOU THAT THE UNIT COST IS PUT FORTH WHICH AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET HUNG UP ON A NUMBER THAT'S NOT PART OF THE TEXT BUT THE NUMBER IS PROVIDED IN THOSE EXAMPLES IS BASED OFF OF ALL THOSE FACTORS LAND CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE DESIGN PERMITTING AND ANYTHING ANYTHING THAT SHOULD REDUCE. THERE YOU GO THERE. YES IT'S HARD TO READ BUT IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THERE THAT SNIPPET IT DOES BREAK DOWN THE TOWN PROGRAM THE ENTIRE QUESTION. YES, IT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT. SO THE INTENT WOULD THAT MONEY RECEIVED THROUGH THESE FUNDS WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE TIME TO PURCHASE THE LAND TO IMPLEMENT A VMT OR PURCHASE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OR PURCHASE AN AREA FOR CONSERVATION. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO A WATER QUALITY VMT SOMEWHERE. IT MEAN THAT WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE THAT SAME AMOUNT A LOT OF BODY I GET YOUR QUESTION I JUST KNOW THAT IN IN SOME INSTANCES LIKE WE HAVE TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THE UNFORESEEN I CAN SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND SO YOU KNOW LET'S SAY A COMMERCIAL PROJECT IS ONE SIDE OF ME REALIZE THAT THE NORMAL ROUTE THEY WERE GOING TO GO TO FOR YOU KNOW THEIR STORMWATER FOR THERE'S A DRAIN OR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IMPEDED OR IMPALED WHETHER IT'S SEDIMENT, YOU KNOW, DEBRIS OR WHAT HAVE THEY HAVE TO DIG, YOU KNOW, A TRADE OR SOMETHING TO GO ANOTHER SIDE LIKE DO OUR FACTORS, OUR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE JUST COVERS ORDINARY WOULD HAPPEN OR DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE AN EXTENUATING CERTAIN STANCE FOR SOMEONE UNABLE TO MEET OR CAN I ASK A QUESTION OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF A THAT GETS PUT IN IF IF THERE'S YOUR QUESTION IF THEY BUILD WOULD BE EMPTY PART OF THE IN WOULD IT BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO COME IN AND MAINTAIN IT? THE ANSWER IS NO. THEY WOULD STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN IT. WE WOULD NOT TAKE IT OVER JUST BECAUSE WE PULL IN A FEE IN LIEU MEPA PROCESS IS STILL THERE FROM THE TO THAT ANSWER NOW I LIKE THIS WAS FOR SOMEONE WHO ISN'T ABLE TO MEET LIKE THE ENTIRETY OF MEP SO WE BE THIS THEIR PROJECT IS STILL SEPARATE FROM OURS IT WOULDN'T BE THAT YOU KNOW A COMMERCIAL CAN'T PUT AN X AND THEN THE TOWN GOES IN AND PUTS ON THE SAME PROPERTY IF IT CAN'T BE PUT IN IT CAN'T BE PUT IN PERIOD THIS WOULD BE THE TOWN DOING IT ON PROPERTY IN THE SAME WATERSHED RIGHT BACK THAT AND THEN AGAIN THIS THIS THE DOLLAR VALUE WOULD BE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY SO THAT WE'RE CONTINUALLY KEEPING UP WITH LIKE THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX SO THAT HOPEFULLY WE'RE ALWAYS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST TO. DO THESE PROJECTS SO A COUPLE OF THINGS WE KNOW IS DEVELOPERS WANT TO MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR MAXIMUM GAIN PERSONAL AS A THAT'S HOW IT OPERATES THE SECOND PART WE KNOW THAT WATER HAS A DOMINO EFFECT LEARNED THIS A LOT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS ESPECIALLY WITH THE FLOODING SITUATION WE'VE HAD. SO IF A PERSON COMES IN JUST THE DEVELOPER AND THEY CAN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF THE REQUIREMENT TO KEEP THE WATER ON THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY BUT THEY IMPACT SOMEBODY ELSE AROUND IN A NEGATIVE WAY EVEN IF THEY DO A FEE IN LIEU THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. SO FINALLY NOT FOR QUANTITY IT IS FOR QUALITY SO THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO RETAIN THE SAME [00:15:07] AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF MANUAL THIS FEE IN AND THE MEP PROCESS ITSELF ONLY PROVIDES ONLY THE WORD VARIANCE BUT SORT OF LIKE A VARIANCE FOR WATER QUALITY. OKAY SO THERE AREN'T IT ISN'T GOING TO MEAN THAT THERE IS MORE WATER LEAVING THE SITE? SO FOR CLARITY FOR ME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME IS THAT THE SOME OF THE WATER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RETAIN OR KEEP IN THEIR OF THEIR OWN LOCATION IF IT IS GOING TO IMPACT THEIR NEIGHBOR, THEY STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE ON THEIR SIDE. THEY CAN'T GET AWAY FROM IT BY PAYING AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TELLING, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. THIS JUST BE AGAIN THERE ARE SOME SITES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THAT'S LEFT IN TOWN REALLY THAT HAS A HIGH WATER TABLE AND POOR SOILS AND SO THEY JUST AREN'T ABLE TO THERE JUST ISN'T FEASIBLY ENOUGH ROOM ON THEIR SITE TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO. AND SO THROUGH THE MEP PROCESS WE OKAY WELL HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOING FOR EARTH CONCRETE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INSTEAD OR YOU KNOW PAVERS INSTEAD OF ASPHALT AND WE KIND OF HAVE TO MEET THEM IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S PRETTY SUBJECTIVE WHICH IS WHY THE FEE ONLY WOULD BE SO HELPFUL TO STANDARDIZE THAT PROCESS YOU KNOW ADDING IN THAT OKAY WELL YOU SAID THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO X NOW PAY YOU KNOW THIS AMOUNT BUT THAT JUST ALLOWS THE TOWN TO GO IN AND DO THAT WATER QUALITY TREATMENT ELSEWHERE IN THAT SAME WATERSHED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUANTITY OF THE WATER AND SO WHY WE ALLOW A DEVELOPER TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY CAN'T SUPPLY THAT THEY CAN'T MEET OUR STANDARDS SO WELL IT'S A MIXED BAG OF ANSWERS I SUPPOSE BUT IT'S A OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND THEN ALSO THE CLEAN WATER ACT ENTIRELY CAN'T JUST SAY NO BUT THE CLEAN WATER ACT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL MEANING WE CAN'T AND TOWN WIDE LIKE JUST IN DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW WE SAY YOU CAN'T JUST YOU HAVE TO YOU CAN'T DISCHARGE YOUR POLLUTANTS TO THE MEP OR YOU HAVE TO DISCHARGE YOUR RULES AS BASICALLY WE CAN'T LET THE TOWN GO HOG AND WE HAVE TO MONITOR EVERY PIECE OF WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF POLLUTANTS, MAKE SURE THAT THROUGH DEVELOPMENT THROUGH LIKE PAINT GREASE THAT EVERYTHING IS MONITORED AND THAT WE ARE REDUCING POLLUTANTS TO THE MEP NOW JUST TO DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT OUR DESIGN MANUALS FOR THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE MEP PROCESS SO WE IT THERE'S CRITERION WE REVIEW IT AND EITHER WE APPROVE DENY IT THE ONE PIECE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE STUDIO BUT THE MECHANISM ESTABLISHED WHICH IS BE IN LIEU IS WHAT GIVES US THAT PIECE TO THEN BE ABLE AS A TOWN TO GO IN AND AGAIN BUY THE LAND OR IMPLEMENT A WATER QUALITY PRACTICE ELSEWHERE. AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IN MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT STUDIO IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH. NO, OUR STUDIO THE UDR GIVES US THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT A FEE AND LOAN PROGRAM. THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL IS WHAT BREAKS DOWN HOW IT HAS TO HAPPEN. THE LANGUAGE JUST ISN'T THERE AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE TAX CREDITS ARE I COULD JUST TO REALLY LIKE THIS TO SIMPLIFY IT YOU HAD ASKED WHY WHY WE ALLOWED DEVELOPERS TO DO THIS WHAT WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW PART OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT IN THE STATE WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR THAT MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE SO THE STATE THE FEDERAL SAYS WE HAVE WE HAVE TO ALLOW THAT MECHANISM SO THIS IS PUTTING THOSE AND IT'S OBJECTIVE IT'S A BACK AND FORTH LIKE HOW CLOSE CAN YOU GET? HOW CLOSE CAN YOU GET? AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO AS EMS FORCE. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT PROVISION. AND SO HERE IS ANOTHER TOOL TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT SUBJECTIVITY OUT AND GET THERE. SO YOU ASKED WHY DO WE DO IT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO WE HAVE TO IF WE ARE TO MAINTAIN OUR EMS FOR A STANDARD SO AND THEN ALL THE TECHNICAL STUFF OF HOW TO GET THERE. SO IF THAT JUST HELPS SIMPLIFY THE WHY AND THIS WOULD BE ONE REASON AS A DEVELOPER YOU COULD USE LIKE ANDREA SAID OKAY WE'RE GOING TO USE A MIX OF IMPERVIOUS HERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO TO GET CLOSER OR. WE CAN PAY THIS FEE AND WE CAN TREAT THE WATER IN THE SAME WATERSHED WHICH MEETS THE ACT BECAUSE YOU WANT CLEAN WATER OR MAYBE I DON'T BUILD AS MUCH MAYBE THAT PRICE TAG IS TOO HIGH AND I DO SO YOU MAY GET LOST IF THAT COMES BETWEEN YOU AND I. I HEAR YOU. BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID COULD GIVE ME ANOTHER THOUGHT. BUT IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE [00:20:03] THAT DECISION OR IS UP TO THE TOWN SO IT'S UP THE THE WHEN THE MEP IF THEY IF A DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO GO THE MEP ROUTE MEANING THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T MEET OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AND THEY WANT TO SUBMIT US THE MEP THEY THEN HAVE THE CHOICE TO EITHER PAY THE FEE IN LIEU FOR THAT SHORTFALL WHATEVER IT MAY BE THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO REDUCE THEIR AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUSNESS SO THEY CAN MEET OUR STORMWATER STANDARDS OR THEY DON'T BUILD ON THE DON'T BUILD RIGHT AND IT'S ULTIMATELY OUR APPROVAL YEAH I MEAN OUR APPROVAL OF THE MEP YOU KNOW BUT AGAIN THEY COULD THEY CAN SEE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT COMES THAT'S PUT FORTH FOR A FEE AND. I'M GOOD A LOT AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A VOICE AND A STRONG VOICE YES THE EU IS STRONG ENOUGH SUPPORT THAT I'M GOOD THANK YOU. IT CERTAINLY SORRY SOMETIMES I HEAR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES SO I THINK TELLING THIS PERSON I THINK MY CONCERNS WERE SOME OF OTHERS THAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS VOICED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T GIVING DEVELOPERS AN EASY OUT BY JUST PAYING A FEE AND NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THEIR STORM WATERS BUT THEN ONCE I GOT TO WHAT THE FEES POTENTIALLY COULD BE IT DEFINITELY HELPED MITIGATE THAT A LITTLE BIT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE YOU KNOW ONE THING YOU SAID IF THERE'S NOT FEASIBLE ENOUGH ROOM ON THEIR SITE MANAGE THEIR STORMWATER BUT IF THEY CHOSE TO BUILD A SMALLER BUILDING THEN THEY I MEAN THAT IS WHAT I MEAN THEY COULD THEN MANAGE THEIR STORMWATER RIGHT EXACTLY. OR IF THEY CHOSE LIKE YOU SAID THE DIFFERENT PAY OF THE PERVIOUS PAVERS VERSUS THEM PERVIOUS YEAH IT WOULD JUST KIND OF FORCE THEM TO WEIGH THE OPTIONS YOU KNOW IF IT'S A $3 MILLION PRICE TAG AND THEY SAY OOH YOU KNOW IT'D BE CHEAPER FOR US TO NOT BUILD YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THREE BUILDINGS AND THEN THEY HAVE THAT SPACE NOW WHERE THE THIRD BUILDING WAS GOING TO GO TO DO THEIR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS. THEN THEY'VE ACHIEVED THE MANUAL AND I THINK I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WOOD WAS SAYING THOUGH I WANT TO MAKE SO IF THEY CANNOT MANAGE YOUR STORMWATER ON THEIR PROPERTY THEY CAN CHOOSE THIS FEE IN LIEU AND WE HAVE TO WE WILL MITIGATE IT IN THE SAME WATERSHED BUT THAT SOMEHOW NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW SO THAT ALL SITES ARE STILL REQUIRED TO ATTENUATE IS BASICALLY HOLD UP TO THE 100 YEAR STORM AND THEN SAFELY THAT MEP PROCESS DOES NOT EXEMPT FROM ANY THOSE THINGS IT DOES NOT EXEMPT THEM FROM MEETING 100 YEARS. CORRECT OH THE QUALITY. THE QUANTITY. YEP QUANTITY. YES. SO THIS MEP PROCESS IS JUST SPECIFIC TO WATER QUANTITY QUALITY WATER QUALITY QUALITY. SO JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP A A LITTLE BIT, WE ALWAYS WANT THEM TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO DO THAT. THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OFFERS PUT OUT. THIS IS NOT FOR VOLUME CONTROL. IT IS FOR QUALITY. SO IF THEY COME IN AND SAY WE HAVE A SITE AND THEY CAN'T MEET WATER VOLUME CONTROL THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. WE WOULD NOT LET THAT GO FORWARD. BUT IF THEY CAN MEET THEIR WATER VOLUME QUALITY AND THEN COME IN AND SAY BUT WE CAN'T MEET OUR WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENT IS WE CAN THEY CAN COME IN AND SAY NO WE STILL WANT TO BUILD EVERYTHING THEN THEY PAY UP A LOT OF MONEY OR THEY CAN REEVALUATE THAT AND COME BACK AND SAY LESS LESS BUILDING LESS PAVERS, WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. BUT THIS REALLY HELPS UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND HELP US STANDARDIZE HOW WE DO A REVIEW RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY COME IN AND WE TRY TO BE MEET MEP IT IS VERY SUBJECTIVE. THEY COME IN AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ANYWAY. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MECHANISM STOP IT. THIS HELPS US WITH THE WATER QUALITY PUTS IN PLACE THE PROCESS AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU COME IN AND YOU MEET YOUR VOLUME CONTROL, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. YOU DON'T NEED IT. YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF . BUILDING LESS ARE PAYING THE FEE SO WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE WATERSHED TO MEET THAT WATER QUALITY GOAL AND THAT'S WHAT THIS REALLY IS ALL ABOUT. BILL, I WAS LISTENING TO YOU AND PROBABLY FOR YOU BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO MAIN TO RETAIN WATER FOR 100 YEARS STILL ON THEIR PROPERTY ARE YOU UP THERE RETAINING IT HOW DO WE MEASURE THE QUALITY OF THAT WATER? WELL, I MEAN YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IF IF IT'S NOT LEAVING THERE. SO SO YES THEN IS DETENTION NOT RETENTION RETENTION? IT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR THINK OF IT AS YOUR WATER QUALITY AND DETENTION AS YOUR WATER QUANTITY SO THAT THE VOLUME [00:25:01] OF WATER SO EVERY STORMWATER PRACTICE HAS DIFFERENT WATER QUALITY CORRECT AMOUNTS PERCENTAGES THAT THEY TREAT FOR NUTRIENTS AND SEDIMENT RIGHT. SO USUALLY PONDS ARE USED FOR YOUR YOUR 100 YEAR STORM ATTENUATION YOUR DETENTION THEY DON'T HAVE SAME WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AS A BIO RETENTION AREA SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE IT WORKS LIKE IF YOU DETAIN ALL OF YOUR YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY TREATING IT ALL. SO THAT'S KIND OF ME I HAD TO GO FOR DIFFERENT PRACTICES HAVE DIFFERENT WATER QUALITY PARTS TO IT AND DIFFERENT RETENTION VOLUME SO WE TAKE BOTH OF THOSE AND WHEN WE DO A REVIEW BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BIG POND DOESN'T MEAN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CREATE MUCH OH YOU GET ALL OF WATER OUT OF THE MAKING OF DAM SO QUALITY VOLUME THAT WE'RE TARGETING FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT SITES IS 1.95 INCHES OF RAINFALL PER FOR THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE DRAINAGE AREA AND THAT'S OKAY 1.95 INCHES OF RAIN THAT FALLS ON THAT DEVELOPMENT GOES INTO THE STORM DRAIN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE AND TREAT IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY BOG OKAY SO TWO INCHES OF RAIN THAT'S NOT WHAT'S CAUSING THE FLOODING ISSUES. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL ABOUT A FEE IN LIEU FOR THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME. IT'S ALL IT'S ALL ABOUT WATER QUALITY. THE POST-CONSTRUCTION DISCHARGE AMOUNT, THE THAT THAT IS QUANTITY CONTROL. YOU'RE STILL TO DO THIS TO DO THAT THAT'S NOT ABOUT THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THAT 1.95 INCHES OF RAIN. CAN THEY CAPTURE THAT? CAN THEY TREAT THAT BASED ON THE CONDITIONS ON THEIR SITE? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EVALUATING WHEN WE GET AN MEP THAT YEAH WE AGREE YOU GOT BEDSORES, YOU GOT A HIGH GROUNDWATER, YOU GOT LIMITED OPTIONS WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. WELL HEY WHY INSTEAD OF BUILDING THREE BUILDINGS? WHY DON'T YOU YOU KNOW JUST DO TWO TO CREATE MORE OPEN SPACE? THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT MAY SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. THEY ALSO THEN LOOK AT THE FIELD, LOU, THAT THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO AND MAKE A DECISION TO GO FROM THAT 1.59 YOU SAID OR 1.5 INCHES OF RAINFALL IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OR HOW WOULD YOU COME TO WORK 24 HOURS OR WHICH IN A 100 YEAR STORM IS 11 INCHES IN 24 HOURS IS SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. I'M USED TO IT WITH A IN MY BUSINESS IF GET OVER FOUR INCHES IN 24 HOURS IT AUTOMATICALLY THE OYSTER HARVESTING IN THE RIVER OR A FEW DAYS UNTIL THEY CAN TEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS NO BAD RUNOFF. SO I GET PART OF THIS JUST DON'T I DON'T WANT THAT MESSAGE TO AND I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK IT DOES I'VE READ ALL THIS STUFF BEFORE I GOT HERE STILL DIDN'T UNDERSTAND OR DO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? THE WATERSHED ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YEAH. SO YET AND I CAN SKIP AHEAD BUT YEAH SO THIS WAS TAKEN A PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER AND THEN WAY BACK IN DECEMBER THE FEE ELEMENT IS BASICALLY A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TODAY AND YES THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM PLANNING COMMISSION WAS JUST DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL AMENDMENTS THE DESIGN MANUAL IS GOING TO PASSED OR ADOPTED VIA RESOLUTION. IT'S NOT A FORMAL ITEM SO I DON'T NEED IT BUT YES I DID. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION HERE AND I WANT TO SO FIRST OF ALL AND I AND I WISH THAT IF THIS WRITE UP ON THE REPORT HERE I LIKE WHAT IT WAS SAYING ABOUT IT. WE TALKED ABOUT MAXIMIZATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN YOU WERE SAYING WELL THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAXIMIZE IT, MAYBE MEET YOUR GOAL. YOU GAVE SOME EXAMPLES INSTEAD OF BUILDING THREE BUILDINGS YOU MAY BUILD TWO AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND OR BEYOND THE SCALE OF MY KNOWLEDGE OR THE SCOPE OF MY KNOWLEDGE I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE PROPERTY SITES AS YOU JUST INDICATED WITH THE WATER TABLES HIGH SOIL ISSUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW I MEAN IT JUST SEEMS YOU ARE TRYING TO GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THE FACT SO YOU'RE GOING TO WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GO AHEAD AND MAYBE MAXIMIZE TO SOME DEGREE PAY THE MONEY THE PROBLEM OFF THEIR PROPERTY AWAY, YOU KNOW, SO THEY CAN ACHIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE BY DOING THE FEE IN LIEU AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO TRY IT IN THE WATERSHED TO TRY TO MITIGATE THIS THING INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING YOU FIGURE OUT THE PROBLEM HERE'S WHAT YOU DO PARAMETERS YOU TO WORK WITH I'M [00:30:06] A LITTLE BIT BAFFLED SO I WILL SAY THAT THE MEP REVIEW PROCESS IS PRETTY CRITICAL THOUGH IT FEELS PRETTY SUBJECTIVE AS IT IS WITHOUT THIS FEE AND LOW DOLLAR AMOUNT WITH IT BUT WE DO THERE IS THAT BACK AND FORTH CONSTANTLY. OKAY WELL EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE DO SOMETHING ON YOUR LITTLE OF THE PHASE IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY IN ANOTHER PHASE OF THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TO MEET THE WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS AND IS THAT BACK AND FORTH SO THAT IT ISN'T JUST A WE CAN'T DO IT SO WE'RE GOING TO BE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T BUILD OUR THREE BUILDINGS AND MEET STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS SO WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE FEE IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLISTIC IT'S IT'S STILL A VERY CRITICAL THAT WE GO THROUGH AND HAVE TO ANALYZE AND DETERMINE IF IT EVEN IS NECESSARY IF THEY EVEN MEET THE MEP TO BEGIN AS PART OF THAT THEORY. IT'S A QUESTION MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE ONLY ASKED FOR TWO BUILDINGS TO BEGIN BUT THEY SEE FINANCIALLY THAT IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO BUILD THE THIRD ONE AND PAY THE FEE. THAT MAY BE THE CASE RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD JUST BE ENOUGH TO THEN COVER IF A TOWN WERE TO BE ABLE GO IN AND DO THE SAME THING AND THE SAME WATERSHED FOR THEM SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN. I THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON IT. I JUST WANTED TO END THAT AND COMMEND THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE DO WANT TO GET AHEAD OF AN INSTANCE OF NOT KNOWING WHERE ISSUES WERE BEFORE AND IT'S NOT LIKE IS A SELF-IMPOSED PROBLEM THAT WE'RE MADE MAKING OR IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BE SCAPEGOATED FROM IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR HANDS WERE TIED PRIOR TO THIS ANYWAYS AND NOTHING WAS GOING ON. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO DEVELOP WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND CREATES STORM WATER WHETHER IT'S FOREIGN AIR QUALITY ISSUES THAT WE AGREE CAN MITIGATE IN AN HOUR DEALING ANYWAYS. SO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TAKING THAT INITIATIVE TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR AND COME UP WITH A WAY TO ADDRESS IT AND INSTEAD OF JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD SEEM LIKE IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE WHATEVER WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. I THINK THIS IS A TYPE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS AN ISSUE CANNOT GO UNADDRESSED IN TERMS OF PROTECTING WATER AND MAKING SURE WE SHOW OUR RESPECT IN SUPPORT OF THE CLEAN WATER ACT AND THE VALUE IT PROVIDES. ALL OF US ARE THINKING I QUESTIONS FROM SO I HEARD YOU SAY THAT TECHNICALLY LEGALLY WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORIZED TO SAY NO YOU CAN'T BUILD THREE BUILDINGS YOU CAN ONLY BUILD TWO BUILDINGS ON THIS PROPERTY. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? SO THIS WOULD JUST GIVE US OPTION WE COULD SAY YOU COULD YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO PAY ALL MONEY OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT. SO IT'S JUST OKAY. THE ONLY EXCUSE JUST SIGN UP TO THE CONVERSATION BUT I THINK AN EASY WAY COMPARE THIS TO IS IF YOU RECALL A WHILE BACK WE APPROVED TREE MITIGATION FEE IN LIEU PROGRAM AND WE HAD ONE INSTANCE AND THAT WAS FAIRLY RECENT. WE HAD ONE INSTANCE WHERE A DEVELOPER WENT BACK AND FORTH SIMILAR DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WAS LIKE I CAN'T I HAVE TO REMOVE ALL THESE TREES. AND SO WE SAID OKAY IF YOU DO THAT HERE'S WHAT THE FEE IS AND IT QUITE HONESTLY WAS A VERY HIGH NUMBER SO. WHAT DID WE DO? WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE SAID HEY CAN YOU SHIFT THIS CAN YOU DO THAT? CAN YOU PLANT BIGGER HERE AND GUESS WHAT THEY MET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND THEY DID NOT PAY THAT FEE ONCE YOU QUITE FRANKLY PUT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT TO IT, IT MAKES YOU ADJUST RETHINK SO YOU COULD GET TO MAYBE LESS BUILDINGS BUT IT IS AN OPTION THAT IS AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO SIMILAR TO THE STORMWATER IS OR THE WATER QUALITY PART OF IT IS THEN GO IN AND USE THAT MONEY TO PLANT TREES IN THAT SAME VICINITY OR TO OFFSET IT. SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THAT TREE MITIGATION FEE. LIKE I SAID WE WENT THROUGH IT ONCE AND THEY THEY DECIDED YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THAT BIG OF A CHECK SO I'M GOING TO KEEP THOSE TREES SO IT'S THE KIND OF GIVE YOU THAT COMPARISON. I CERTAINLY SO I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS IN MY MIND THE SECOND AGO AND I BROUGHT CLARITY FROM MY FROM MY EDUCATION SO ON THE TREES AND TREES ARE ONE OF THE BEST METHODS TO ABSORB WATER. YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER. [00:35:05] BUT IT'S A QUESTION REALLY I ASSUMING THEY DON'T REALLY MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THE WATER QUALITY. IT JUST QUANTITY NOT THE QUALITY. IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? SO THEY CAN BE USED FOR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL AND IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PRACTICES SO WE OFTEN DON'T IMPACT YOU SAY QUALITY AND QUANTITY QUALITY QUALITY. OKAY. OKAY SO I ONE MORE QUESTION AS WELL. OKAY. SO SO LOCAL STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING LIKE THIS SO ALL IT DOES IS INCLUDE IN OUR MEP PROCESS THERE WELL IT'S BEING REVISED BUT THERE'S CURRENTLY 11 STEPS THIS IS THE 11TH STEP. HEY HEY FEE BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT IS FOR SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT BE IN LOOP PROGRAMING WHEN WE DO THIS IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO BE ON BOARD WITH THE SAME THING THE COUNTY AND HARDY VILLAGE SO EVERY COUNTY BECAUSE AGAIN THIS IS ALL PART OF THOSE OTHER AMENDMENTS THIS LOCAL MANUAL THAT WE'RE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS IN OCTOBER THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADOPT SOME OF THE SAME CHANGES DUE TO REASONS OF THEIR OWN. I CANNOT SPEAK OTHERS THE LOCAL MEMBERS OF COURSE BUT I. I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY'RE PROCEEDING WITH THIS PARTICULAR REVISION THEY DO HAVE IT IN THEIR MANUAL LIKE I SAID IS THAT 11 STEP BUT I NOT KNOW IF THEY PLAN TO ESTABLISH THE ACTUAL FEE PROGRAM. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM FIRST OF ALL IT WILL PICK THE EXACT FEE LATER, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE NUMBERS YOU PUT IN HERE ARE NOT YES, THEY ARE ABOUT I MEAN BECAUSE SO THIS IS THEY ARE LARGE NUMBERS AND SO IT WILL REMAIN SOMETHING SIMILAR. IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR. YES. IF NOT THAT AND I JUST WANT THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO PAY THIS VERY, VERY LARGE SUM AS A FEE IN LIEU IT IS POSSIBLE FOR US SOME OF THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE TO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT POLLUTION IS NOT GOING TO END UP IN OUR ECOSYSTEMS IN RIVER SO POSSIBLE THROUGH SOME OF THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE TO MITIGATE THAT SO IT DOES NOT GET TO THE RIVER FRONT, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. THE SO THAT KIND OF GOT US THROUGH THE MONETARY BASIS FOR IT. BUT IN TERMS OF THE QUALIFIED USES AGAIN DISCUSSED THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW PURCHASING OF LAND FOR A CONSERVATION AREA, A PRODUCTION OF A WETLAND AREA YOU KNOW IT WAS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF LIKE THE TOWN IMPLEMENTING ITS OWN BNP CONSTRUCTING IT MAINTAINING IT ALL THAT AND THEN IT WAS ALSO PURCHASE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IS DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER FOR INCLUSION? I'LL GO BACK SO THE DECISION WAS THAT MONEY COLLECTED IT WOULD STILL COME TO COUNCIL OUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO PURCHASE PROPERTY OR WHETHER WE WANT TO BUILD A SYSTEM A MANMADE YEAH SO SO CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I GUESS YOU NEED TO ALL THESE LITTLE QUESTIONS I MEAN IT WAS JUST A LOT OF I'M I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE QUESTIONS WE ADDRESS MOST OF THEM IN THE DISCUSSIONS YOU HAD AND I THINK WITH WHICH I'VE KIND OF GIVEN I THINK WE HAVE GUIDANCE ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE TO BE ABLE TO BRING ANYTHING BACK THE ONLY ONE THAT I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER WOULD BE THE LAST ONE. YES. AND THAT'S REALLY MORE OF JUST AS WE'RE PUTTING THINGS INTO PLACE. YOU WANTED TO EXEMPT PUBLIC PROJECTS FROM THE FEE AND LIEU THIS MAY BE TOWN PROJECTS. IT COULD BE FOR SCHOOL PROJECTS, IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR IF YOU WOULD THEM TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FEE IN LIEU AS WELL THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE LAST LINGERING QUESTION. I THINK THEY NEED TO BE TO PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER BUT COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THE YOU KNOW I THINK FROM DAY ONE I WAS LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS FOR AND COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON MY ON A CASE BY CASE NATURE ALONE WON'T BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF WHAT'S OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF IS IT EVEN NECESSARY TO MAKE AN EXEMPTION OR EASIER TO JUST PUT IN AN INSTANCE OF SOME TYPE OF PAVER APPROACHES OR WHATEVER IT IS? I THINK THAT ELLEN'S LITTLE TO BRIAN TO SPEAK ON WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY KIND OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD INCLUDE [00:40:02] OR SEATS EXAMPLES SO I CAN GIVE YOU ONE ACTUALLY IN THIS EXAMPLE THE ACADEMIC INSTITUTION HERE THE TURF FIELD TURF FIELD REPLACEMENT. SO THINK ABOUT THERE ARE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, RIGHT? JUST THE FOOTBALL FIELD OR BUT THEY CAN'T PUT A BUYER ATTENTION ON FOOTBALL FIELD IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE FOR A GOOD THE GAME OF FOOTBALL FUN ONE I GUESS BUT ANYWAY IT'S A $3 MILLION TAG SO THAT WAS YOU KNOW I JUST WANT TO KNOW WE PREPARED TO HAVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PAY THAT OR WOULD THEY JUST JUMP IN THERE AND SO FOLLOWING COUNCILWOMAN FRAZIER'S YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO HELP PUBLIC PROJECTS AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS INCLUDING OUR OWN SOUNDS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS ARE EVEN THE EXAMPLE YOU'RE PROVIDING? WELL, I MY HEART SAYS WE WANT TO HELP WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM. WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM. SO NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WHICH INCREASES PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I MEAN I DON'T GET THAT IT'S A IT'S LIKE THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME AND I AGREE I DON'T THINK THAT THE RULES SHOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR TOWN OF BLUFFTON OR SCHOOL THAN IT IS TO OUR GENERAL PUBLIC AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WANT TO BUILD WHATEVER. I'M SURE WE CAN PROBABLY SAY THAT BUT I LIKE LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM DO IT WAY TO DO IT OURSELVES. I AGREE. I THINK WE NEED TO SET BE A GOOD EXAMPLE THIS ASKING ANYONE TO INVADE OUR RULES AND SAYING IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE ISSUE LIKE NO ONE IS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DETRACT FROM PROVIDING THEY'RE REQUIRED TO IN TERMS OF QUANTITY IS A LET'S SAY WE HAVE IN OUR SCHOOL OR A SMALLER SCHOOL OR A SMALLER DAYCARE THING. I THINK THAT IS A PART OF COMMUNITY TERMS OF WHY IT SHOULD BE ON A CASE BY CASE BECAUSE COMPARE A SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR BUDGET TO LET'S SAY WE HAVE A ONE OF OUR LITTLE CHILD CARE THINGS OR SOMETHING HERE WHO WOULD WANT TO COME IN FRONT OF US FOR NO DIFFERENT THAN THE VARIANCES THAT WE HAVE IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF OUR PERMITTING PROCESS. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GREENLIGHT EVERYBODY. WE SHOULD ABLE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL SITUATION. LET ME ASK YOU I MEAN THERE'S MANY WAYS I WOULD THINK THIS BODY, FOR EXAMPLE, HELP MITIGATE A PROBLEM FINANCIAL FOR ONE. SO YOU KNOW, I WE HAVE PEOPLE ASK US FOR THINGS CONSTANTLY I DON'T KNOW AND I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I'M NOT REALLY DISAGREEING. I'M DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS MYSELF BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE THE STANDARD IN PLACE LIKE THE MAYOR SAID AND IF THEY HAVE IF THAT'S A HINDRANCE OF A MAGNITUDE THEY DON'T FEEL THAT MOUNTAIN THEY CAN SCALE THEN THEY SHOULD COME BACK TO US AND ASK IF THERE'S OTHER MEANS OR RESOURCES AVAILABLE THEM TO MITIGATE BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE IN THE QUESTION OF THE $3.3 MILLION EXAMPLE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, WE DON'T HAVE TO NULLIFY OUR WATER QUALITY CONTROLS. WE CAN DO IT, KEEP IT AND FIND OTHER WAYS TRY TO HELP THEM IF POSSIBLE. I WOULD RATHER TAKE THAT APPROACH. WE'RE IT'S JUST SAY FOR INSTANCE IF A PERSON RIGHT NOW COMES TO THEM THE DEVELOPER CAN NOW BYPASS THIS AND SAY I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HERBIE'S IS TO BE ABLE TO TO TAKE CARE OF MY WIFE WHILE YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD MY THIRD BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A NO YOU CANNOT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO BUT. I'M SAYING WE AS A TOWN SHOULD NOT BE TREATING AN OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPER THE SAME WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE SAY RESIDENTIAL PARTS IN THE ONE OF OUR STREETS YOU KNOW YOUR OWN PROPERTY HAVE THE NEEDS WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT I'M THINKING IN MY MIND MITIGATING AS WE COME IN AND HELP THEM WITH WHATEVER THAT SOLUTION NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE COST OF THEM TO DO IT IN MY CASE THEY MIGHT COME IN AND PUT IN GRAVEL OR PAVERS AND HERE IS AN OPTION FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT A POSSIBLE INSTEAD OF JUST BLANKET AMENDMENTS AND WE'LL TREAT YOU LIKE WE DO A DEVELOPER THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WE DON'T EVEN DO THAT NOW FOR FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY USE ONE YEAH TWO REMEMBER THE MEP WOULD BE TO ANYONE WHO MEETS OUR STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AS A CURRENT SO IT ISN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY JUST A ONE SINGLE LINE HOUSE TO BEGIN WITH IF [00:45:04] THEY MEET STORMWATER APPLICABILITY STANDARDS AND THROUGH OUR COMPLIANCE TO PLUG IN SHOCK THEY SEEM OR THEY REALIZE THAT THEY AREN'T ABLE TO ON THEIR SIDES OR ON THEIR SITE REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE TO DO IT. THEN THAT'S WHEN THE MLP WOULD COME INTO PLAY AND THEM ON TIME FOR YOU AND HERE YOU CAN SIT DOWN DOWN FOR THAT THEN LIKE I SAID WE'VE ALREADY GONE TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER WE PACK AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO COMPILE SHE SAID COMPILE ALL THIS AND GET IT BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE MARCH MEETING ALL OF THE LOCAL YEAH. AND THEN ROLL IT OUT FOR IMPLEMENTATION APRIL 1ST. OKAY THREE QUESTIONS FOR ME THEN YOU. OKAY NEXT WE HAVE DIRECTION ON [3.2. Direction on Proposed Amendments to the Town’s Municipal Code of Ordinances on Regulations Associated with Special Events and Park Rules - Heather Colin, Assistant Town Manager] THE PROPOSED TO THE TOWN'S MUNICIPAL CODE OF ORDINANCE ON REGULATION ASSOCIATED WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND PARK RULES. OKAY SO I DON'T THINK I'LL BE AS TECHNICAL AS THE WATER QUALITY DISCUSSION BUT ALL RIGHT SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO I WAS HERE BEFORE YOU FOR SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THE MUNICIPAL CODE AS IT RELATED TO PARK RULES AND OUR FACILITIES AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THERE WAS A COMPONENT IN THAT WHERE I HAD PROPOSED SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WERE RELATED TO NOISE AT CERTAIN SPECIAL EVENTS OR FACILITIES AT THAT POINT THE TOWN COUNCIL YOUR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION WAS LET'S PULL THAT THE DISCUSSION GOT MUCH BIGGER THAN THE MY INTENT WITH THE AMENDMENTS GO BACK DO SOME HOMEWORK DO SOME RESEARCH AND WORKSHOP THAT AGAIN SO THAT'S WHY I'M BEFORE YOU SO WE'VE DONE THAT HOMEWORK WE'VE DONE THAT RESEARCH AND I'VE GOT SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR YOU TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON AND HOW YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE I WON'T READ IT BUT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS. WE DO THAT AND IN INSTANCE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS WE CREATE GREAT PUBLIC SPACES PARKS, FACILITIES. WE ARE ALWAYS IMPROVING OUR PARKS AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THE RESULTS OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT THAT MEANS. SO PRIMARILY WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS CENTERED AROUND AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND COMPLAINTS WERE ASSOCIATED WITH OYSTER FACTORY PARK. SO WE'VE JUST FINISHED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT WHERE WE DID SOME IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE, SOME BETTER PLACES EXCUSE MORE IMPROVED PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO STAND AND KNOW, PROVIDE PERFORMANCES, DANCE WHATEVER CASE MAY BE. SO THAT WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED . SO WITH THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT IT WILL BE USED MORE. IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPACE SO THAT WILL CHANGE HOW OFTEN IT'S USED THE INTENSITY OF ITS USE, THE NOISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I DID LINDY SEMINOLE IS HERE WHO MANAGES SPECIAL EVENTS SO AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S A GROUP EFFORT SO WE HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT. SHE'S HERE AS WELL WITH THAT THOUGH SOME OF OUR OTHER SMALLER PARKS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THIS ONE IN PARTICULARLY IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THAT GREEN SHADED AREA THAT'S WHERE OYSTER PARK IS YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE GARVIN GARVIE SIDE HAVE THE BOAT RAMP AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE WHERE WE'VE JUST COMPLETED THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE FOOTPRINTS ON THOSE MAPS OF WHERE THE HOMES ARE. SO THERE ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY. SO WHILE IT'S NOT A PRIMARILY FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IT'S A MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT IS BOOKENDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT WHAT HOW TO TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH GREAT PARKS AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND PLACES AND THEN ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY WHO LIVES RIGHT AROUND THERE. SO THIS IS ADDRESSED IN VARIOUS CHAPTERS OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE SO BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE CHANGES REFERENCE EACH OTHER AND THEY'RE ALL ALIGNED BUT THE WAY OUR TOWN FACILITIES AND OUR FACILITY RENTALS WORK AS SPECIAL IT'S REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WITHIN THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS WELL AS PROPERTY AND OUR SPECIFICALLY THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK IS STATED THERE AS WELL AS THE SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE SO A COUPLE OF THINGS LIKE I SAID WHEN WE REALLY STARTED TO KIND OF DIGEST WHAT THOSE COMMENTS [00:50:06] WERE WHERE SOME COMPLAINTS WERE THAT WE HAD HEARD AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WHEN THERE ARE SPECIAL WHEN THERE THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE OR SPECIAL EVENTS PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN IT'S HAPPENING WHEN IT WHEN WE SEE THOSE COMPLAINTS AFTER THE FACT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO CORRECT AND WHEN I WORKED WITH THE POLICE CHIEF IN GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THE CALLS WERE HOW MANY CALLS QUITE FRANKLY THERE WERE NONE FROM OUR TOWN FACILITIES OR SPECIAL EVENTS. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WEREN'T VIOLATIONS OR ISSUES THAT HAPPENED BUT WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT. SO THAT IS ONE THING JUST TO TAKE NOTE GOING THROUGH IT LIKE I SAID THE IMPACT ON THOSE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IT'S MAYBE DO WE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES TO SPECIAL EVENTS AND FACILITY AT CERTAIN FACILITIES LIKE I SAID OYSTER PARK IT CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE SO MANY PEOPLE. THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PARKING SPACES, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH PHYSICAL SPACE BEFORE IT OUTGROWS IT SO YOU KNOW IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TOWN COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER AND IF SO WHAT IS MAGIC NUMBER? JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON THE APPLICATION THEY DO HAVE TO INDICATE HOW MANY PEOPLE THE ROTARY OYSTER AS WELL AS THE SUNSET PARTIES THAT NUMBER IS 800 NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN 800 PEOPLE ALL THE SAME TIME LIKE TO A MOVIE THEY DON'T ALL COME AT THE SAME EXACT TIME AND LEAVE AT THE EXACT TIME BUT THAT'S KIND OF A ROLLING NUMBER THAT THEY PUT ON THEIR APPLICATION. SO JUST TO YOU A FEEL OF WHAT A NUMBER COULD BE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN. THE OTHER THING IS A REDUCTION IN THE HOURS THE EVENT OR AMPLIFIED NOISE YOU COULD DO THIS AGAIN FACILITY WIDE OR JUST FOCUS ON OYSTER FACTORY PARK AND LIKE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY AND WHERE WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES DO ARISE. SO AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IN IS IN YOUR PACKET AND I WILL SAY FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S EITHER WATCHING ONLINE OR HERE I KNOW THERE IS SOME CHATTER THAT THERE IS CURFEW THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT IS NOT THE CASE. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD PROPOSED AT ALL IN THAT CHART THAT'S IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT I WILL GO THROUGH IT'S JUST A REDUCTION IN THE HOURS FOR THAT AMPLIFIED NOISE AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE OTHER THING WE HAVE HEARD IS YES, BASS BASS IS SOMETHING FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PICKS UP ON ONE OF THOSE NOISE METERS. SO BASS IS IN OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AS A BASICALLY A NUISANCE SO IT CAN BE SUBJECTIVE WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS TO TIGHTEN THAT AS FAR AS HOW TO REGULATE IT. SO IT IT IS IT IS DIFFICULT AND DO FROM EXPERIENCE YOU KNOW QUITE FRANKLY I'M TO MY SONS I LISTEN TO THAT MUSIC AT A CERTAIN LEVEL SOMETIMES I FEEL AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS BUT IT'S IT'S NOT THAT'S PICKED UP ON THE NOISE METER BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT CAN WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT BUT IT SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED A VIOLATION OF OUR NOISE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS TO JUST ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL CODE . WE'RE LIMITED FAR AS WHAT WE CAN ISSUE FOR FINES AND TICKETS. HOWEVER SPECIAL AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE VIOLATING YOUR FACILITY RENTAL AGREEMENT OR YOUR SPECIAL EVENT THAT COULD POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, JUST ALLOW YOU TO BE APPROVED FOR FUTURE OR MAYBE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RENT THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK FOR THAT PARTICULAR EVENT ANYMORE. SO JUST KIND OF JUST TIGHTEN THAT AND MAKE THAT CLEAR EXPECTATION WITH WHAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE LIKE I SAID IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE THERE ARE SOME CROSS-REFERENCES WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ALL ALIGNED AND THEN LIKE SAID THAT TABLE A SO HERE IS TABLE A THERE ARE SOME THINGS IF YOU READ OUR NOISE ORDINANCE THAT ARE NOT QUITE CLEAR AS FAR AS WHETHER OR NOT SPECIAL EVENTS MUST COMPLY WITH THIS TABLE SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS REGARDLESS HOW THAT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IS SHOULD SPECIAL EVENTS EITHER AT ALL THE FACILITIES OR AT THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK IN PARTICULAR BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THIS TABLE AND HOW WE MEASURE NOISE IN THAT MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL AND ALSO THE REDUCTION THAT TIME WHAT I WAS PROPOSING IS SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY SO THE GENERAL SCHOOL DAYS WORK DAYS WHAT THOSE TYPICAL DAYS ARE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NECESSARILY WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE THE EVENT BUT THAT'S WHEN IT'S TIME TO YOU KNOW, UNPLUG THE MICROPHONE OR THE SPEAKER THAT'S JUST WHERE STARTED AGAIN BASED ON THIS PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION WHAT WE COULD DO IS MAKE IT A SEASONAL THING DURING THE SUMMER HOURS WHEN IT'S LIGHTER, LONGER MAYBE ADJUST THAT VERSUS OTHER TIMES OF YEAR WHEN IT DOES GET DARK EARLIER AND THE EXPECTATION IS IT'S TIME TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE YOUR HANDS AND GO TO SLEEP. THAT'S ANOTHER SUGGESTION THAT WE COULD COULD ADDRESS. BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS IF SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO REQUIRE [00:55:03] AND ENFORCE THAT SPECIAL EVENTS AND FACILITY RENTALS HAVE TO MEET THE NOISE HAVE TO MEET THIS PORTION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD MEASURE SOME EVENTS AT THESE DISTANCES TO CONFIRM IS 50 DECIBEL LEVELS IS THAT A REASONABLE NUMBER YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO YOUR RESEARCH ONLINE AND IT'LL TELL YOU WHAT 50 DECIBELS NORMALLY IS BUT. IS THAT WHAT WE ASK? IS THAT APPROPRIATE IF WE'RE TO APPLY THIS TO SPECIAL EVENTS WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THE TOWN DEEMS ACCEPTABLE AND ENJOYABLE AND GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORS IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE, IS IT A REALISTIC NUMBER THAT THEY CAN COMPLY WITH? HERE'S JUST A RENDERING THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT DISTANCE WAS AGAIN I PROPOSED LESSENING BECAUSE OF THAT PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE. IF YOU'RE AT BUCKWILD YOUR PLACE OR EVENTUALLY THE INTERIOR SIDE BARN PARK YOU MEASURE WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEASURE IT FROM IS FROM THE SOUND SOURCE. SO IN THIS I JUST ASSUMED IT'S THE PAVILION AND JUST DRAW OUT WHAT 125 FEET IS WHICH WOULD JUST BE HALF JUST TO START WITH A NUMBER VERSUS WHAT'S IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW 250 FEET SO NOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TYPICALLY AND PLEASE CORRECT ME CHIEF IF I'M BUT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE THEY WOULD COST IF THERE'S A NOISE COMPLAINT THE POLICE OFFICERS GO OUT THERE STEP ONE, YOU KNOW TRIPLE A LINE SHOULD YOU FURTHER REGULATE SPECIAL EVENTS AT CERTAIN RATE, CERTAIN LOCATIONS IF YOU TRULY ARE NOT MAKING ME CARE I'M JUST HAVING SOME ISSUES LATELY AND AGAIN THIS IS JUST WHERE WE WOULD ALSO CROSS-REFERENCE IT. JUST SOME THINGS TO THROW OUT FOR DISCUSSION WAS THAT 800 PEOPLE FOR MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE AT OYSTER FACTORY PARK AND OTHER IS POSSIBLY JUST AGAIN FOR DISCUSSION IS THE NUMBER OF EVENTS SO THERE A NUMBER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE IS IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK EVERY DAY? IS IT FIVE DAYS? IT THREE DAYS OR DO WE JUST REMAIN SILENT ON THAT? THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER AND AGAIN TO STRENGTHENING THAT VIOLATION SECTION TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT OR A FACILITY RENTAL IS NOT A GUARANTEED. YOU HAVE TO MEET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND IF YOU DON'T YOU MAY NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO IT AGAIN. ANY CHANGES THAT ARE REFLECTED WITH THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SHOULD THEY COME WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE SPECIAL EVENT APPLICATION ALSO REFLECTS CHANGES SO ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF AMPLIFIED MUSIC ATTENDANCE AND ANYTHING THAT TOWN COUNCIL DOESN'T PROVE NEXT STEPS IF YOU DO PROPOSE THAT IF YOU DO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CHANGES BUT I ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT FOR FIRST READING IN MARCH AND THEN SECOND READING IN APRIL. HOWEVER DEPENDING THE DEPTH OF THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WE COULD BE BACK NEXT MONTH. FIRST READING AND I DID RECEIVE DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE I RECEIVED FOUR AND I BELIEVE COUNCIL WAS COPIED AS WELL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THE CHANGES THEY AGREED WITH THE CHANGES AND THAT THAT WAS A GOOD STEP TO MOVE FORWARD AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT ME TO GO BACK TALK ABOUT EACH ONE I'M HAPPY TO DO SO OR LIKE I SAID LINDA IS HERE AS WELL TO TALK ABOUT SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT UP. MR. HAMILTON YES, IT'S A LAST TIME THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, CHIEF, I ASKED YOU HOW MANY COMPLAINTS YOU GOT AND THEN SHE JUST CONFIRMED IT SAYING THAT SHE FOLLOWED IT YOU AS WELL. IN THE END THE COMPLAINT WAS PRETTY MINIMAL RIGHT? YEAH. SO AND NOT ONLY DID YOU GET THE COMPLAINT DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM EVEN IF SOMEBODY MAY EXPERIENCED SOME LOUD NOISE BECAUSE WE HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO ADDRESS IT ANY TIME THERE IS SOMEONE VIOLATE OUR RULES YES SIR SO IF I'M STILL [01:00:02] KIND OF USED TO IN MY RECOLLECTION THERE WAS ONLY ONE INCIDENT IT HAD EXTREMELY LOUD NOISE AND I WITNESSED THAT BECAUSE I WENT THERE BUT BUT IT'S ALSO A THING THAT WHY ARE WE GOING TO PUNISH EVERYBODY FOR ONE PERSON'S MISTAKE CHANGING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE AND LEAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO EITHER FIND THEM OR HAVE THEM TO TURN THE MUSIC DOWN OR TO NOT ISSUE ANOTHER PERMIT FOR THEM TO TO USE OUR FACILITY IN THE FUTURE. WE HAVE I HAVE A LOT OF AND STAFF AND COUNSEL FOR BUILDING BEAUTIFUL PARKS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE US STAND OUT FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES IS THE FACT THAT WE PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE AND AND AN INVITING ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR CITIZENS COME TO. SO I'M IN FAVOR TRYING TO MANAGE THAT BETTER IF WE NEED TO MANAGE BETTER VERSUS TAKING ONE INCIDENT AND MAKING IT A MOUNTAIN IF THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE IF I COULD JUST ADD I KNOW HEATHER SAID WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED NINE NOISE COMPLAINTS AND BUT NONE FROM OUR PARKS. THEY WERE ALL RESIDENTS FROM AROUND TOWN WHICH TYPICALLY WE GO WE WARNED THEM AND THEY TURNED DOWN MUSIC UM DECEMBER 4TH WAS THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED ANY NOISE COMPLAINT FROM A PARK AND THAT WAS OSCAR FRASER PARK AND THEN PRIOR TO THAT NOVEMBER 8TH WAS THE LAST TIME THAT DISPATCH RECEIVED CALL FOR WASTE OR BATTERY PARK. SO WHEN I SAY IT WAS REPORTED PEOPLE HAVE TO CALL DISPATCH WHAT'S IS EITHER THEY'RE CALLING MAYOR OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS NOT BEING RECORDED ON DISPATCH SO I'M JUST GOING OFF THE DATA THAT'S TO US THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE AREN'T THERE WEREN'T MORE COMPLAINTS JUST THE ONES THAT WERE CALL IT IS OKAY BUT IF SOMEBODY CALLS ME I'LL CALL YOU BUT IF THEY CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER DOES STILL THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME THROUGH YOURS. YES IT WILL SO THEY CALL 8435242777. THAT'S A NON-EMERGENCY DISPATCH WILL STILL PUT IT INTO THE SYSTEM AND THEY WILL SEND OUT AN OFFICER. YES. AND PREFERRED METHOD FOR A NOISE MR. WOULD I'M A SORRY AGE BEFORE DURING THIS I'VE GOT A LOT OF THAT SO A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS THUS FAR I CONCUR WITH BLESS ACTIVITY CONTROL THE DURATION GOSH IT WAS THREE OR FOUR YOU HAD ON THERE THE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES OH YOU KNOW THE HOURS ALL OF THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT AND SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WAS YOU KNOW, THE PARKS WILL CONTINUE TO BE UNDER DEMAND ONE PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE OF THE CEILING, YOU KNOW, AREA THAT IT SITS IN IT'S JUST GORGEOUS SETTING THERE SO IT GETS THE MOST WEAR AND TEAR BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE WITH IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IT'S OVER AT HAYWARD HOUSE BLUFFTON EAGLES BALL FIELD AND OLD TOWN DISPENSARY WHICH USED TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR US YEARS AGO WE USED TO GET PHONE CALLS TOO MANY TO EVEN COUNT I THINK MOST US REMEMBER THAT AND THEY STILL ARE GRANDFATHERED IN AND NOT THERE. IT'S A PROBLEM TODAY BUT THESE ARE ALL POTENTIAL SITES NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I THINK THAT I DON'T WANT TO KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE TO WHAT I'VE HEARD UP HERE I THINK WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH PARKS AND YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT WE DO EVENTS IN THE COMMUNITY IS APPRECIATED BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE FINE BALANCE HERE BETWEEN OUR CITIZENS AND THE MUSIC I THINK A LOT OF THE MUSIC UM BECAUSE I DON'T I BELIEVE EVERYBODY SITTING THIS TABLE STILL GETS PHONE CALLS OCCASIONALLY WHERE PEOPLE DON'T CALL THE POLICE, THEY REPORT IT TO US AND SOME OF THAT I THINK HAS HAD TO DO OVER THE YEARS THEY'VE JUST KIND OF THROWN UP THEIR HANDS TO SOME DEGREE AND JUST WENT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS AND I GOT TO GET USED TO IT . I'VE HEARD THOSE COMMENTS BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR SCIENCE AND THE SCIENCE MEANS WE NEED TO GO OUT [01:05:07] THERE AND TAKE THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND ACTUALLY THAT HIRE SOMEBODY TO GO OUT AND TAKE SOME DECIBEL READINGS AT 125 AND THE 250 OR WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO OR MAYBE 125 175 AND 250 AND SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONTROL BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SHORTEN THE DISTANCE FROM 250 TO 125 YOU MAY ACTUALLY BE TAKING THE MUSIC LEVEL DOWN SO LOW THAT IT IS NOT FUNCTIONAL IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I WE NEED TO DO OUR SCIENCE ALL THE REST OF IT WE CAN IF THE COUNCIL DEEMS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO BUT THAT ONE PUBLICITY COMPONENT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE SCIENCE SAYS ON THAT MARTIN I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN WOOD WAS SAYING. I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLS AND TEXT RECEIVED AND I JUST THINK PEOPLE HAVE THROWN UP THEIR HANDS AND DON'T CALL DISPATCH UNFORTUNATELY AS MUCH AS I SAY YOU HAVE TO CALL SO WE CAN GET THESE NUMBERS REPORTED. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE. FIRST, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE ALL OF OF THESE EVENTS STARTED TAKING PLACE IN A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND THERE HAVE LIVED THERE PRIOR TO ALL OF THIS. I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 90 I MEAN I BET 90 TO 95% OF THE EVENTS THESE CHANGES ARE NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM AT ALL. I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO COMPLY OR NOT VERY REASONABLE WITH THEIR MUSIC. I THINK THANKFULLY WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER VENUES IN TOWN WHEN I'M AMPITHEATER AND THEN WHEN THE NEW RIVERSIDE BARN OPENS THAT GIVES SPACE FOR EVENTS IN WHICH THEY ARE NOT IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT UNLESS WE START RECEIVING COMPLAINTS IN THOSE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING REGARDING THOSE PARKS I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY I VIEW AS THE PROBLEM ONE WHICH IS THE OYSTER FACTORY I AM IN FAVOR OF ENDING THE AMPLIFICATION AT 9:00 I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SEVEN NIGHTS A WEEK INCLUDING FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND NOT JUST THE OTHER ONES I THINK PEOPLE CAN STAY THERE. THERE'S NO CURFEW AS YOU STATED BUT I THINK END THE AMPLIFICATION AT 9:00 IS NOT UNREASONABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO DO AS YOU SUGGESTED GO OUT THERE WITH READING, ADD AN EVENT AND LOOK AT THAT HUNDRED AND 50 AND 125. BUT MARK AND AND THEY BACK TO THAT AND DECIDING BETWEEN THE TWO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ENFORCE OUR NOISE ORDINANCE ON THESE SPECIAL EVENTS WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP A LOT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAVE A TIME LIMIT A DURATION I THINK 4 HOURS IS COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO AN AMPLIFIED AMPLIFICATION. AGAIN THE EVENT DOES NOT TO BE CONTAINED TO 4 HOURS BUT THE AMPLIFICATION BEING CONTAINED 4 HOURS. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS AGAIN I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS AND TEXTS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED THE LAST YEAR AND I THINK IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT US TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT TO IMPROVE IT. THIS IS NOT CONTINUING TO LIVE FOR ALL ARE THINGS THAT LIVE AROUND THE COUNTRY. BEFORE WE GO TO THIS BRIDGE I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD RIGHT NOW AND RECUSE ON THE REST OF THIS TOPIC. YOU'LL DO THAT AND YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING. I'M JUST ALWAYS GOING BACK TO I GO TOTALLY WITH THIS AND I'M FEEL THAT IN HEARING WHAT THE REPORT AND DATA AND EVEN THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME HERE AND SPOKE APPRECIATE HIS COMMENTS THAT NOW IT SEEMS THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS NOT IN THE TIME THAT THESE EVENTS ARE ENDING BUT IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE SOUND LEVEL AND THE IMPACT OF THE DAY. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE IN TERMS OF WE HAVE RESIDENTS AND ARE FOLLOWING THE ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL THAT'S GOOD ALWAYS TO CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE CONCERNS AND ADDRESS THEM. BUT WE ALSO HAVE PROTOCOL IN TERMS OF IF IT IS AN ISSUE TO THE POINT OF IT CAUSING, YOU KNOW, CONCERN OR WHAT HAVE YOU THERE IS A PROTOCOL THEM TO CONTACT POLICE AND SO WE'RE NOT HEARING FROM THE POLICE ABOUT IT AND WE'RE HEARING FROM JUST A HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE NOW CREATING RESEARCH AND NOW [01:10:03] THEY'RE GOING TO PUNISH OUR ALMOST 40,000 OTHERS CITIZENS FOR WHAT WE'RE HEARING ON THE COMPLAINT FROM A FEW PEOPLE. AND THAT'S NOT HOW WE SHOULD BE GOVERNING POLICY AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE INCLUSIVE CONVERSATION IS WHERE EVERYONE'S HERE AND TO JUST OFF OF YOU KNOW SOME OF THE FOLKS I KNOW I'M BACK IN NOVEMBER AFTER THAT ONE PARTICULAR EVENT NOW WE HEARD THE CONVERSATION AND SAYING THAT WELL WE'VE LIVED ALL OUR LIVES NOT A THING. IT BECOMES REALLY DESCRIBE IT TO OTHERS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFTEN BEEN HERE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES WHO CAN RECALL WHERE THEY HAD A JUKE JOINT IN THE MIDDLE OF STREET, YOU KNOW AND SO IT'S BEAUTIFULLY KNOWN OR AS INTERESTED IN LIVELINESS AND SO MY CONCERN AGAIN IS THAT AS WE CHANGE THE CULTURE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME WE EXCLUDE REALLY THE OTHER ISSUES HERE ANYTHING BEFORE WE TAKE SUCH A HUGE LEAP IN CREATING OR RESPONDING TO A PROBLEM THAT ISN'T AS EXCESSIVE AS WE NEED TO BE. MY GREATEST CONCERN IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE HAVE MADE THESE RULES. WE'VE APPROVED IT WITH DECIBEL LEVEL EXCEED 15. HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHO IS EXCEEDING AND WHO'S NOT IF THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY SOMEONE OUT DOING THAT AND I DO RECALL THERE WAS A TIME WHEN KNOWING THAT EIGHT TRACK NOW IS ALLOWED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THE COST PAYING FOR AN OFFICER TO BE SITE BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A FACILITY THAT DROPPED RHYTHM WHY CAN WE INSTEAD LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S FOR MONTH OR A FEW WEEKS UNTIL THESE EVENTS PLACE AN OFFICER AT THOSE PARTICULAR AT THOSE EFFECTIVE ARMS FOR PARTICULAR EVENT TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR OR REALLY GAUGE WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE AGAIN I'M NOT THE TYPE THAT I WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS JUST OFF OF THE OPINIONS OF A SMALL VOCAL MINORITY WITHOUT BEING INCLUSIVE OF EVERYONE BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT JUST PARTIES OF REVELRY WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND GETTING INVOLVED AND JUMPING IN. THESE ARE REUNION EVENTS EITHER CLASS EVENTS. THESE ARE SOME OF OUR NONPROFITS AND OTHER ENTITIES WHO ARE HOSTING EVENTS THAT BRING REVENUE INTO THE TOWN BUT ALSO CREATE THAT COMMUNAL OF THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GATHER. SO I THINK THERE ARE OTHER STEPS TO GO DO FEEL THIS IS VERY PREEMPTIVE IN A RESPONSE OF A FEW WHO CONTACTED CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS WHICH ARE VALID. I'M NOT WE DISMISS THAT AND SAY DEAL WITH THAT YOU LIVE THERE. I'M SAYING LET'S IMPEDE OUR OWN PROCESS THAT IT SEEMS HAS NOT FOLLOW YET TO REALLY ASSESS IT TO SAY THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CAUSES AND CAUSES US NOW TO SCRUB OUR ENTIRE PRACTICE FOR THAT AREA I THINK WELL I ONCE AGAIN I DON'T THINK THIS APPLIES TO BY FAR THE MAJORITY OF EVENTS THAT ARE HELD THERE AND I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NONPROFITS AND REUNIONS AND CLASS I MEAN TO SAY THAT THE AMPLIFICATION SHOULD LAST LONGER THAN 4 HOURS IS NOT BEING UNREASONABLE AT ALL. I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A REASONABLE SOLUTION FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND HERE I THINK WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE DOES NOT DO THAT. HOW CAN WE SAY THE EVENTS ARE SO DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE 12 IN THE AFTERNOON AND IN A NIGHT IN REVERSE STARTS AN EVENT AT 6:00 AND THEIR EVENT NOW HAS TO END AT NINE BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONDING TO ONE EVENT WHERE THE MUSIC THE MUSIC WAS REPORTED TO HAVE BEEN OUT OF CONTROL. WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT SAYING LET'S BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS LET'S HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND NOT BE REACTIONARY IN. OUR APPROACH INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS IMPACTED OFF OF ALWAYS THE FACTORY PARK ALSO AND JUST THE FEW THAT HAVE VOICED CONCERNS. I MEAN I COMPLETELY I STRONGLY DISAGREE. I THINK WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE AND AS OUR EVENTS CONTINUE TO PICK UP I THINK WE'RE GETTING IN FRONT OF BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN PLACE FOR EVENT VENUES IN THE SENSE IF THIS IS NOW JUST BECOMING A PROBLEM IN THE PAST TEN YEARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU WE'VE HAD ALL TYPES OF PARTIES IN THIS ONE PARTICULAR EVENT WE HAD IMMEDIATE OUTRAGE FOR THE PARTICULAR TYPE OF EVENT IT WAS AND I'M SAYING THAT TYPE OF THAT TYPE OF SENTIMENT IN TERMS OF WE'RE NOW GOING TO RESPOND TO EVENTS OF A CERTAIN TYPE OR VARIETY. [01:15:04] I DON'T THINK SENDING A MESSAGE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT A SITUATION IN IN A UNILATERAL SENSE OF LIKE THIS IS HOW WE'RE DOING. EVERYONE WE SHOULDN'T BE RESPONDING TO JUST ONE PARTICULAR GROUP SHOULD BE FOLLOWING UNDER WHATEVER THAT PROTOCOL IS IF WE HAVE ESTABLISHED PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABIDING INCLUDING OUR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE LEVEL I WAS A PART OF THE STUDY WE DID 1012 YEARS AGO 14 AND WE SCRUBBED THIS AND WE SCRUBBED SCRUBBED AND SCRUBBED THIS UNTIL WE THOUGHT WE WERE WE HAD CERTIFIED NO ISSUE TO WHERE EVERYONE WAS WAS WAS WITH THE FINAL OUTCOME WE WORKSHOPPED IT . WE EVEN WENT IN AND ONE OF THE PLAYS MENTIONED TONIGHT AND SET OUT AND LISTENED TO OURSELVES A BASICALLY A COUNCIL MEETING THERE WORKED THIS THIS AND WE WORKED IT WE WORKED IT IN THIS WAS PROBABLY THE HARDEST ITEM THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH DURING THAT TIME. SO GOING BACK IT RIGHT NOW I'M STILL CONFUSED BECAUSE WE STILL ONLY HAVE ONE EVENT AND THAT HAPPENS. YEAH ONE EVENT THAT I THINK A ABUSE OF OUR OUR OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RIGHT PROTOCOL TO ADDRESS IT SO NOW IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WE NEED TO WORKSHOP IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE WORKSHOP IS YOU KNOW. I'M SERIOUS. NOT ONLY DID I SIT AND LISTEN I WALKED THE STREETS AND LISTEN FROM FROM THE 250 METERS OR YARDS WHATEVER THAT WAS WE DID WE DID WE DID THIS BECAUSE WE WERE BEING RESPONSIBLE AND TO YOUR POINT WE WERE BEING PROACTIVE FOR THE FUTURE BUT. WE WERE PROBABLY REACTIVE TO THE PROBLEM USUALLY THAT TIME WAS ONLY FROM THAT ONE FACILITY SO LET'S NOT LET'S NOT THINK THAT WE'RE NOT SENSITIVE TO OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE SAYING THIS ABOUT I DIDN'T GO THROUGH TO DO THAT EXERCISE I WENT DO IT AND I'M PROUD OF WHERE WE LANDED. THAT'S MY POINT. BUT AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT HE IN WHICH THEY DID PUT SO MUCH WORK IN TO THAT AND WE WERE IN IT BUT THAT IS NOT I MEAN THAT'S NOT BEING APPLIED TO THIS ANYTHING THAT RECEIVES THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT IS NOT APPLICABLE. YES AND NO. THERE ARE PARTS IN IT AND I, I ACTUALLY HAVE IT HERE. I PULLED ALL THAT AS PART OF THE RESEARCH. SO YES EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN HAMILTON STATED IS IN HERE THERE ARE FIELD TRIPS AND WORKSHOPS AND IT DOES ADDRESS THE TIMES OF THE AMPLIFIED MUSIC. NOW WHAT IT DOESN'T DO IS DRILL DOWN TO DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR DIFFERENT TOWN FACILITIES AND PARKS AND IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR INTO AS FAR AS LIKE ANYTHING RELATED WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND FACILITY RUNS WITH TERMS OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE HOURS FOR THE AMPLIFIED MUSIC DOES THE NOISE AUGMENT DOES IS THAT DECIMAL READING AT 250 FEET APPLY TO EVENTS THAT RECEIVE SPECIAL PERMIT WELL AND THE RICHARDSONS CHIMING IN THERE THAT'S THE GRAY AREA WE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT ACTUALLY TODAY AND AND IN PRIOR MEETINGS BUT THERE'S A LITTLE OF LANGUAGE IN THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT YOU COULD ARGUE AND CONFLICTS THERE'S A SECTION IN THERE THAT SAYS THEY ARE IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE DECIBEL READING STANDARDS OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE BUT YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM A LOT OF OTHER SECTIONS OF IT AND THEN THERE'S SECTION THAT SAYS IF YOU WANT TO BE EXEMPT FROM THE DECIBEL READING PORTION OF THE I'M PARAPHRASING BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE EXEMPT OR GOING TO HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S GOING TO EXCEED THE DECIBEL READING LIMITATIONS THEN YOU NEED TO GET A SPECIAL PERMIT. SO THERE'S ARGUABLY SOME CONFUSION THERE. WE STILL THINK IT'S ENFORCEABLE THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MS.. MCCOLLUM AND ASKED WAS DO WE ANTICIPATE AND WAS IT Y'ALL'S INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT SPECIAL EVENTS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE DECIBEL READINGS AT THE 250 OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE SO? I THINK THAT'S ONE AREA THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT IS THAT THAT PART NEEDS TO BE [01:20:02] CLARIFIED AND MADE EXPLICIT AND SO THAT WE WILL KNOW IN THAT DEPARTMENT WILL KNOW HOW TO ENFORCE THIS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAS BEEN RAISED YET BECAUSE WE'RE ALL AFRAID THAT YOU MAY ASK ABOUT IT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO DEAL WITH IS WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE CAN ENFORCE WHETHER THEY HAVE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS BECAUSE OF THE WORDING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. FIRST BY OUR OFFICERS I LOOK INTO IT AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF CONFUSING WHEN YOU READ IT AND SO WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT IF THEY HAVE TO ABIDE THE SETS SET LIMITS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IF THAT'S CLARIFIED AND WE CAN ENFORCE IT, NO PROBLEM AND WOULD THAT HELP NOW WITH COMMUNICATING WITH SOMEONE COFFEE WHILE SHE SAYS HE'S TOO LOUD AND IF YOU ALL WERE TO COME OUT I THOUGHT I RECALL HE OR SOMEONE BEFORE IN A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU GET TESTED AT A CERTAIN LEVEL SO IF THERE'S NOTHING IN PLACE HAS THAT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO SAY THAT WE KNOW WHAT A DECIBEL READING FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT IS BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS ANY TIME WE'LL GO OUT THERE WE'LL TAKE ADDITIONAL READINGS IF YOU SEE WHETHER THEY HAVE THE PERMIT OR NOT, WE WILL ASK THEM TO TURN IT DOWN AND THAT'S WE TRY TO DO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD BUT WE DO GO BACK THERE AGAIN THEN THAT'S WHEN WE TAKE PROPER ENFORCEMENT ACTION BEFORE WE TAKE IT FOR WHAT HAPPENS AND HAVE EVER HAD ANY RESISTANCE IN SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T COMPLY WITH YOUR REQUEST TO TURN IT DOWN I THINK ON ONE OCCASION BUT IT WASN'T AT A SPECIAL EVENT IT WAS AT A RESIDENTIAL HOME CORRECT. YEAH WELL WE SEE A LOT OF IS AT 250 C THEY MAY COMPLY WITH A DECIBEL BUT IT IS THE BASE AND WHEN YOU HAVE THESE HOUSES PRETTY CLOSE BY THEY STILL MAY BE A WHIPPING COMPLIANCE A LOT OF TIMES THAT BASE REALLY DOES GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS OF THE IT MAKES A LOT OF AND SEEMS TO BE SO WHEN WE DO GET A CALL WE MAY GET CALLED TIMES WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND WE'RE LIKE LOOK IT'S WITHIN THE LIMITS BUT THAT BASE IS REALLY COMING THROUGH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO MEASURE BASE AMOUNT BUT I THINK THAT'S OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT SOME RESIDENTS ARE DEALING WITH IS THE BASE OF A LOT LET ME MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE GOT TO WE COULD GO ON SINCE WE'RE NOT ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THIS WE COULD BE HERE ALL NIGHT. BUT I TO SOME OF YOUR POINTS I FIRST OF ALL I THINK THE NUMBER OF EVENTS OVER THE YEARS HAVE GROWN AT THE OYSTER FACTORY PARK. SO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIVING THERE HAVE WATCHED AN AVALANCHE OF EVENTS TAKING THAT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THAT WAY TEN OR 15 YEARS AGO AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW. I RECALL ALL THE DETAILS OF WHAT MR. HAMILTON WAS TALKING BECAUSE WE HAD MAPS WE ACTUALLY SHOWED ON THE MAPS WHERE ALL THE COMPLAINTS WERE COMING FROM. THIS IS REFERRING BACK TO DISPENSARY OVER AN OLD TOWN AT THAT POINT THAT WAS A LIGHTNING ROD TO THIS WHOLE DEBATE AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT THAT AFTER WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE 253 COMPLAINTS CONTINUED TO THRIVE AND I KNOW THIS MAN GOT MANY A CALL AND WOULD CALL IN AND SAY YOU'RE TOO LOUD. YOU'RE BLOWING ME OUT DOWN HERE. CUT IT DOWN. I WOULD CALL AFTER THAT ORDINANCE WAS PASSED BECAUSE IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE PROXIMITY WITH THE VOLUME OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. SO I THINK AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO REVISIT THE DECIBEL LEVEL AND TO SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THE BASS AND THE DRUMS BECAUSE. THE DRUMS ARE A PART OF THAT TOO I GUESS TO END THIS IF WE WE'RE READY TO END IT IS SOME OF THE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH TONIGHT FOR ME IT MAY BE MAJOR TO EACH OF YOU I SOLVE SOME OF THOSE AS MINOR I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO PLAY A HOURS AT THE PARK ALL DAY ANYWHERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T MAKE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS OR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DOWN. YOU CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY SETTINGS IN AGAIN AND AS I A WHILE AGO IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE OTHER LOCATIONS THE HAYWARD HOUSE AND BLUFFTON PARK AND THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED OF THE OLD TOWN DISPENSARY. THEY'RE STILL GRANDFATHERED. THEY CAN COME BACK AND PUT BAND BACK DOWN AND WE CAN RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. I KNOW THAT'S THE NOISE OR IT'S NOT A SPECIAL PERMIT PER RIGHT AND BY GRANDFATHERED SO THERE WERE A LOT OF THERE WERE OTHER CHANGES CAME OUT OF THAT REPEALED THAT NOISE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE RE RE ADOPTING AND THE REFERRAL TO THE GRANDFATHERING AGAIN TO EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING ARE WE STILL HERE IS THE LOCATION BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS DONE THEN IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THERE IS A A PROVISION THAT YOU COULD ONLY HAVE LIVE MUSIC OR SERVE ALCOHOL OR CONSUME ALCOHOL WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF RESIDENTIAL PARK [01:25:05] AND MAYBE CHURCH. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME AND THAT'S WHERE YES THE DISPENSARY NOW AGAVE THEIR BAND LOCATION THERE WHERE THEY HAVE THAT STAGE IS GRANDFATHERED IN SO RIGHT NOW THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR UDL SO THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE ALLOWED IF THAT WAS STARTING FRESH THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A BAND AT THAT PARTICULAR SPOT AND WHAT I DO REMEMBER WAS WHEN THE POLICE WOULD BE CALLED THEY WOULD GO THERE AND THEY WOULD GET TO THE APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET AND LOOK AT THEIR DECIMAL METER AND GO THERE 50 DECIBELS ARE OKAY AND THEN THEY WOULD LEAVE AND THAT WAS REPETITIVE SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DECIBEL LEVELS I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THAT IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT FOR MOST OF US UP HERE TO ADJUST DECIBEL LEVEL? WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN REVIEW THE DECIBEL LEVELS BUT I'M HEARING TWO THINGS ONE JUST FOCUS ON OYSTER FACTORY PARK OR ARE WE FOCUSING NO. I WAS USING THOSE AS EXAMPLES OF HOW IT IMPACTS THE PEOPLE SURROUNDING AREA. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FOCUSED WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM TONIGHT AND PUT YOUR OKAY ANY OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED FROM STAFF AND I THAT THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE UP HERE THAT FEEL ARE WARRANTED CONCERN TONIGHT COUNCILMAN WORD IF I COULD ADD IN ONE THING FOR YOU I'LL GET TO THE DISCUSSION ON THAT. I THINK WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM YOU ALL TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF WANT TO UNDERTAKE. ONE IS WHAT RICHARDSON MENTIONED EARLIER IS TO CLARIFY THAT ONE THING IN THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN IS WE NEED TO. THE OTHER IS IS TO GET WITH LINDA AND JOE OR THE POLICE CHIEF TO GO OUT TO SOME OF THE UPCOMING EVENTS AND DO SOME READING AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND DO SOME KIND OF SOME RECONNAISSANCE AND COME BACK WITH IF WE EVEN NEED TO TO ADDRESS IF THEY'RE MEETING EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY OUTLINED. BUT WE CAN BRING THAT RESEARCH BACK AFTER THE NEXT EVENTS ARE KIND OF SLOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER BUT CAN LOOK OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AS WE GET BACK INTO THE SEASON AND MARCH APRIL HOW THE EVENTS ARE LOOKING SEE WHAT THE DECIBEL LEVELS WERE LOOKING AT ,MONITOR THE BASS THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TYPE YOU THERE'S DBA, THERE'S DBC THERE'S DIFFERENT DECIBEL LEVELS WE CAN TRY TO CHECK AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE MAY NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THE BASE THAT ADDRESS THOSE SEEM TO BE THE TWO BIGGEST DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE AND I THINK WE CAN GO DO THAT AND WE MAY COME BACK AND WHAT WE MAY SAY IS THEY WERE 5050 ON THE DBA BUT YES, WE COULD HEAR THE BASS HERE'S A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE CAN ADDRESS AND THAT MAY ADDRESS A LOT OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE'RE HEARING SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS WE HEARD TONIGHT KIND OF TWO THREE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO DO IN THE INTERIM, BE MORE I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT AS YOU ALL KIND OF WRAP UP THE DISCUSSION HERE IF WE'RE READY FOR ANOTHER EVENT COMES UP AS YOU SAID, IT'S A FULL TIME TO IF YOU JUST HAVE THE DECIBELS AND LEVELS BEFORE YOU DO A TEST OF WHAT THAT BASS IS IN TERMS OF GETTING AN IDEA OF WHAT BECOMES A NUISANCE IN TERMS OF DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IT KEEPS A STRANGE AND ADAPTABLE SOUND IT SEEMS TO BE WHERE JOHN FROM GENTLEMAN CAME HERE IS A BIG ISSUE. WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN PROVIDE US A SOUND TO HELP GET US SOME BASS SO WE CAN TEST THAT OUT. WE'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. BUT AGAIN IT'S WE CAN TRY SOME DIFFERENT METERS, TRY SOME DIFFERENT READINGS, TRY AND TRY TO COME BACK WITH A WITH SOME RESEARCH ON THAT TO GO OKAY YOU KEEP LOOKING AT RICHARDSON AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING WHERE YOU LIVE NOW? NO, THROUGHOUT THE DAY. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONSENSUS AS FROM WHAT I CAN TELL SO I THINK WHAT I'M FROM THE TOWN MANAGER IS WAIT FOR YOU TO COME BACK. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT FROM COUNCIL LET ME LET ME LET TELL YOU THIS THERE IS A MEASUREMENT FOR BASS AND IT'S CALLED SPL. SPL TWO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR PARK OR ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE GOES IT'S IT'S VERY IMPORTANT STEVEN AND RICHARDSON, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN TO HAVE A WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ENFORCE IT OR IF WE CAN'T IT'S JUST AS USELESS AS YOU KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE OLD PEOPLE SAY. YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT. WE GOT TO GET IT AND IF WE'RE [01:30:04] GOING TO I THINK EVEN WITH A SPECIAL A BILL WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ENFORCE THE I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENCES WHERE I'VE MENTIONED COMPLAINTS AND YOU KNOW BECAUSE THEY HAD A SPECIAL EVENT THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO SO THAT THAT BEEN AN ISSUE BEFORE AND IN OUR ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING WITH TEETH YOU KNOW AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL I GUESS YOU GOT A DECENT I MEAN JUST BEFORE YOU CONTINUE BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I'M REALLY INTO. MY NAME IS ARTHUR GATES AND I AM A RESIDENT BUCKEYE ON THE ROAD AND JUST TO SPEAK WHERE YOU CAN COME IN MORE HAS MORE INPUT I'VE SEEN YOU MOST 75TH BIRTHDAY SHUT DOWN AT NINE QUIET AND IT IS STILL BRIGHT LIGHT UP COUNTY AND WASN'T ALWAYS PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO SHUT IT DOWN I'VE SEEN THOSE INCIDENTS I'VE SEEN INCIDENTS WHERE YOU KNOW IT'S A CROWD OF PEOPLE I'M A FAMILY THAT BIG DAY SO I WANTED TO TURN OVER TELLING ATTENDEES HEY YOU BUT FAMILY IS IN 200. SO BECAUSE I'M EVERYWHERE FROM HERE TO CHARLESTON JUST TO SPEAK ON THAT JUST TO HELP YOU GET AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE NOT ONLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT ALSO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES THAT COME OUT THAT TRY TO ENFORCE EARLY BIRTHDAY PARTIES. YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE ORGANIZING GET PART OF THOSE PARTIES THAT DON'T TO ENTERTAIN THE TOWN OR EVEN MAKE SOME MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE HOSTING AN EVENT. NOW YOU TALK ABOUT AFFECTING THAT SO THERE'S A LOT OF PUSH AND PULL WITH ALL OF US THOUGH WE OUR MAIN OUR MAIN TOPIC WE'VE GOT TO STAY ON THE AGENDA ITEMS IS ABOUT PUBLIC OWNED PROPERTY MORE SO THAN THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IN EFFECT DOESN'T PAY SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T DO APPLES AND ORANGES APPLES AND THAT ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER COMMENTS I JUST I REALLY HOPE THAT THE REST OF COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER A RESTRICTED HOURS AS FAR AS NOT ALLOWING THIS MEANS I AMPLIFICATION TO GO ON LONGER THAN 4 HOURS WHEN IT GETS TO 567 8 HOURS AND ALL DAY YOUR SATURDAY YOU ARE HEARING NOISE ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY UNREASONABLE AND I THINK LIMITING AMOUNT OF HOURS IS NOT UNREASONABLE I HEAR YOU AND I BELIEVE THAT WE TO OFF WITH WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW OUR SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATOR AND I HAVE YET TO HEAR AN EVENT AT THE WORDS FACTORY IT'S BEEN A TEN HOUR EVENT EVERY WE FOR THE 52 WEEKS THAT WE HAVE WITH FIND EACH TIME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TO WORK WITH. SOUNDS LIKE I'M DOING SOME MEASUREMENTS AND. I WILL BE BACK. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. CLEAR. HAMMER DOW * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.