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CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY BUFORT COUNTY, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 22ND TO ORDER.IT IS 6:00 PM AND IF I COULD GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
VICE CHAIRMAN CHARLIE WETMORE.
[III. NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT]
UH, NOTICE REGARDING ADJOURNMENT.THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOT HEAR NEW ITEMS AFTER 9:30 PM UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT ITEMS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD BEFORE NOR 9:30 PM MAY BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING DATE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[IV. ADOPTION OF MINUTES]
DO I HAVE A MOTION OR SOME CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.[V.1. Election of Planning Commission Chair]
OF OFFICERS, UM, DO WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA GO PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR.PLANNING COMMISSION, VICE CHAIR, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO ELECT A THIRD REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS ON THE DRC.
UM, DO WE HAVE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? I DO.
I LIKE TO NOM NOMINATE CHARLIE WETMORE AS CHAIRMAN FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO SECOND, I'D LIKE TO SECOND IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? I'M REALLY OKAY IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT.
UM, SEEING IS THERE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALL IN FAVOR OF ME AS CHAIR? AYE, AYE, AYE.
[V.2. Election of Planning Commission Vice-Chair]
UM, NOMINATIONS OR, UH, PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN BEING VICE CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE COMMISSIONER FLYNN TO BE VICE CHAIR.DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED OUTTA FAIRNESS HALL? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF JIM FLYNN AS VICE CHAIR? AYE.
JIM, YOU GOTTA PRACTICE YOUR OURS THOUGH.
NOW, JIM, FOR THOSE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY NOT KNOW, JIM ACTUALLY WAS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, UP IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH AT ONE POINT.
[V.3. Election of Development Review Committee Member]
DRC, UM, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE DRC? I REALLY SHOULD BE THE, I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, LYDIA AND DEPAW AS THE DRC REPRESENTATIVE.DID WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS INTERESTED? NOTHING AGAINST YOU, LYDIA.
I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, LYDIA FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
WE HAVE OUR OFFICERS FOR THE YEAR.
UM, DO WE HAVE, CARRIE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SEEING AS THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, DO, DO, DO OLD BUSINESS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS.
[VIII.1. CVS Pharmacy 2745 (Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay): A request by Shelbi D'Avignon of Boos Development Group, Inc. on behalf of CVS 7651 SC, LLC, for review of a Certificate of Appropriateness - Highway Corridor Overlay application. The project consists of an 11,286 SF retail, clinic and pharmacy with drive through and associated infrastructure. The property is zoned Jones Estate PUD and consists of approximately 1.911 acres, identified by tax map number R610 036 000 0979 0000 located within the May River Crossing Master Plan and falls within the Town of Bluffton Highway Corridor Overlay District. (COFA-09-24-019355) (Staff - Charlotte Moore)]
WE HAVE CVS PHARMACY 27 45 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY, A REQUEST BY SHELBY DIGNON OF BOOZE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, INC ON BEHALF OF CVS 7 6 5 1 SC LLC FOR REVIEW OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY APPLICATION.THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF 11,286 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL CLINIC AND PHARMACY WITH DRIVE THROUGH AND ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED JONES ESTATE, PUD, AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.911 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP NUMBER IN OUR AGENDA LOCATED WITHIN THE MAY RIVER CROSSING MASTER PLAN AND FALLS WITHIN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY
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DISTRICT.REMINDER, UM, LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN AND ON ONE MOMENT.
UM, YOU DID INDICATE ALREADY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS.
I WANNA SHOW THE VICINITY MAP.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY THERE, UH, IN RED.
IT IS LOCATED, UH, ON EVAN WAY BETWEEN HIGHWAY, UH, ONE 70 AND MAY RIVER CROSSING.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
CHARLOTTE, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, CHARLOTTE.
WE'RE JUST SEEING THE COVER PAGE.
ACTUALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN, UM, TAB BETWEEN PAGES YOURSELF.
I JUST DISCOVERED THAT ON MINE, SEE? ON THE BOTTOM LEFT? YEP.
SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT LIVE PRESENTATION THING AGAIN, CHARLOTTE.
I THINK YOU'RE DOING THAT LIVE PRE LIKE POWERPOINT THING AGAIN INSTEAD OF LIKE SHARING YOUR SCREEN.
LET ME, OKAY, THAT, HOLD ON ONE MOMENT.
CHARLIE, I REALIZE YOU COULD DO IT YOURSELF, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING ON THE TV SCREEN, WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR 'EM.
AND THEY MAY BE SEEING CHARLOTTE'S SCREEN, NOT OURS.
LET ME, UH, LET ME START OVER.
UM, SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE VICINITY MAP.
UM, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT MAY RIVER CROSSING.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS BETWEEN SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY ONE 70 EVAN WAY AND MAY RIVER CROSSING.
YOU SEE THE PROPERTY THERE IN RED HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW, PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED WOODED.
UM, HERE'S SOME OTHER VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY FROM HIGHWAY ONE 70.
YOU CAN SEE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, WOODED BUFFER.
AND FROM MOND WAY, UH, YOU SEE THE PROPERTY HERE AS WELL.
THIS IS MAY RIVER CROSSING ON THE LEFT.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2024.
THERE IS ONE ENTRANCE FROM EVAN WAY, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ENTRANCE FROM MAY RIVER CROSSING.
THE, UH, PHARMACY WILL HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH, AND THIS IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH STACKING LANE HERE.
THE WINDOW IS DOWN IN THIS CORNER HERE.
AND, UH, CARS WILL EXIT FROM THIS LOCATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE TWO DUMPSTERS LOCATED IN THE REAR.
I WANNA SHOW, UH, YOU THIS, UM, FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES, UH, UH, THE, THE RETAIL AREA, PHARMACY, PHARMACY AREA LOCATED IN THIS CORNER HERE.
HERE IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW.
THERE IS, UH, A, A ROLL-UP DOOR THAT WILL ALLOW ACCESS TO BRING, UM, GOODS INTO THE STORE.
AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND STORY MEZZANINE THAT WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE.
IT DOES INCLUDE SOME MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON TOP.
AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IS TO BE CERTAIN THAT THIS MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED APPROPRIATELY.
THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION FACING EVAN WAY.
AND THERE IS THAT ROLL UP DOOR THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU.
THERE WILL BE ELECTRICAL PANELS TOO, AS WELL ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IN THE RIGHT OR SOUTH ELEVATION.
THE INTERIOR HERE IS THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
THE CORNER HERE IS CHAMFORD SET UP.
UM, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER DOOR HERE, EMERGENCY, UH, EGRESS STORE.
UM, SOME CONCERNS THAT I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE ROOF LINE, THE FLAT ROOF LINE IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS THE COLOR.
THERE IS SOME BLACK ACCENTS BEING USED ALONG THE COPING FOR THE WINDOWS AND, UH, AS WELL YEAH, FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND BLACK IS AN, AN ACCENT COLOR THAT'S PERMITTED, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THERE IS A BRICK BASE AS WELL, WHICH MAY BE A BIT TOO MINIMAL.
AND, UM, SO THE COMMISSION MAY WANNA CONSIDER MAKING THIS A BIT HIGHER.
THE WINDOW PANEL CONFIGURATION, UM, IS ANOTHER THING THAT STAFF IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WITH WHETHER OR NOT THESE X UH, CONFIGURATION IN THESE PANELS IS APPROPRIATE.
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ARE SOME NON-OPERATIONAL SHUTTERS, WHICH IS ATYPICAL OF BLUFFTON.SO AGAIN, THERE IS SOME, UM, SIMILAR, UM, MATERIALS COLORS ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS AS WELL.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION FACING MAY RIVER CROSSING.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT WOULD BE FACING THE, UH, HIGHWAY ONE 70.
UM, AND IT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE REAR ELEVATION.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD WAS, WAS THAT THIS ELEVATION APPEARED TO BE NOT, UM, SO MUCH AS THE SECONDARY FRONTAGE, BUT MORE OF A REAR, A TRUE REAR ELEVATION, LACKING WINDOWS.
AND SO THE SUGGESTION OR THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE HIGHWAY ONE 70 ELEVATION SHOULD HAVE SOME SIMILARITY TO THE MAY RIVER CROSSING ELEVATION.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS.
HERE ARE THE DUMPSTER DETAILS.
IT WILL BE BRICK, THE COLOR, UM, OF THE BRICK YOU SEE HERE.
AND THEN THE STEEL DOORS WOULD BE A GRAY COLOR.
HERE'S THE COLOR PALETTE, UH, PROPOSED.
ONE THING THAT WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IS A SHUTTER COLOR AND PERHAPS A CVS REPRESENTATIVE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THAT WILL BE.
UM, AS YOU REVIEW, UH, TONIGHT'S COFA, THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WILL APPLY.
WHETHER OR NOT IT, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UDO, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS AS WELL AS THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL IN YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, YOU CAN APPROVE IT AS SUBMITTED, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE APPLICATION.
AND BASED ON STAFF FINDINGS, WE DO HAVE FOUR CONDITIONS, UM, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT ALL ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT WILL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW.
PROVIDE THE LIGHTING DETAILS TO SHOW THAT ALL LIGHT FIXTURES WILL BE CUT OFF LUMINEERS TO BE CONSISTENT.
SECTION 5 15 11 E ONE PROVIDE A LEVER LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM THE MASTER PLAN.
DECLARANT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS AND PER THE APPLICATION'S MANUAL, ANY, UH, FUTURE SIGNAGE WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE SIGN PERMIT.
UH, AS I INDICATED, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD REQUIRE DETERMINATIONS TONIGHT, AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, REGARDING THE ROOF FORM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MOSTLY FLAT ROOF FORM WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, WHETHER OR NOT THE BLACK COLOR USED FOR THE COPING, THE DECORATIVE SHUTTERS AND THE WINDOW VOLUMES IS APPROPRIATE.
THREE, WHETHER OR NOT THE NON-AP NON-OPERATIONAL SHUTTERS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FRONT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS.
NUMBER FOUR, UM, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE FIBER CEMENT PANELS, THE X CONFIGURATION, UH, IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS OTHER ELEVATIONS WITH THE SAME WINDOW PANEL CONFIGURATION.
THE BRICK BATES, WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN IS SHOWN SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETERMINATIONS.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE REAR ELEVATIONS SHOULD APPEAR SIMILAR TO THE FRONT THAT'S MAKING CERTAIN THE HIGHWAY ONE 70 ELEVATION SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MAY RIVER CROSSING ELEVATION.
UH, THE LANDSCAPED AREA, AND I CAN GO BACK TO THIS, IS, UH, THERE, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT LANDSCAPING HAVE AN, THAT LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BA AROUND THE BUILDING SHOULD BE, UH, AT LEAST EIGHT FEET.
AND WITH, THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING ON THAT ONE 70 SIDE.
I'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, WHETHER OR NOT LED LIGHTING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THE, UM, REGULATIONS WERE APPROVED AT A TIME BEFORE WE HAD LED LIGHTING.
SO THAT'S A STANDARD, UM, STANDARD ITEM.
LET ME GO BACK AGAIN TO THE SITE PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SHOW YOU THE AREA ALONG THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
UM, AS YOU SEE HERE, IT'S SHOWING STRIPING RATHER THAN LANDSCAPING.
AND AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT IS TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT, UM, WIDTH OF A, OF, OF LANDSCAPING LIKE YOU WOULD SEE HERE ON THESE OTHER ELEVATIONS.
SO THE, UM, THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION IS DETERMINED IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE STRIPINGS APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE SOME LANDSCAPING WITHIN THIS AREA.
AND SO, BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS, UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, MS. CHARLOTTE?
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OKAY, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON SCREEN TOO NOW, DAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE WAY BACK THERE, BUT, UM, OKAY.DO WE WANT TO, JUST A REMINDER, THE COMMISSION, THIS IS AN HCOD REVIEW.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON IT.
THIS IS THE VISUALS BECAUSE IT'S A LONG HIGHWAY ONE 70.
UM, DO WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER? WOULD THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, HEY, GOOD EVENING.
UH, THIS IS BRIAN MORRIS WITH FORESITE GROUP.
UM, I'M THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SHELBY WITH, UH, B'S DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, RICHARD WALKER WITH, UH, LITTLE AS THE ARCHITECT.
SO, UM, WE, WE RESUBMITTED, UH, THIS MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL.
UM, I THINK FROM THE, FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, THERE WAS, UM, A LOT OF CONVERSATION ON THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, FEATURES ON THE BUILDING, THE COLOR SCHEME.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FIRST SUBMITTAL, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A, UM, A RE A REDO.
SO I MEAN, WE HAVE MODIFIED, UH, THE ROOF LINES, WE HAVE MODIFIED THE MATERIALS, THE COLOR SCHEME, AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GET AN IDEA ON THIS, UH, ON THIS LATEST SUBMITTAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, HOW IS THE FEEL ON THIS, ON THIS NEW, UH, COLOR SCHEME AND MATERIAL.
UM, AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT, THAT PORTION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, THE SITE CIVIL COMPONENTS WITH THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE DUMPSTER.
SO, UM, DO WE WANT TO HIT THE, UM, THE ITEMS UP FOR CONSIDERATION JUST ONE BY ONE AND KIND OF GO THROUGH 'EM? OR HOW WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO APPROACH IT? YEAH, WHAT I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IS THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A GOOD PRESENTATION OF WHERE YOU'VE COME TO THIS POINT, BUT LET'S, UM, I WANNA GO ONE BY ONE THROUGH THE COMMISSIONERS AND SEE WHAT ANY CONCERNS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND WE CAN BRING YOU IN EITHER DURING OR AFTER THAT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA GO THE WAY IT APPEARS ON MY SCREEN, GUYS.
BUT, UH, RICH, YOU'RE YOUR FIRST UP.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PROJECT? YEAH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.
I, I, I WOULD'VE LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE, UM, BETTER ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL ON THE ONE 70 SIDE, THE ONE THAT IS QUOTE, THE REAR FACING, UM, IT'S PR KIND OF PLAIN.
I, I LIKE WHAT CHARLOTTE DID IN HER NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS SLIDE 14, WHICH SHOWS WE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE OF THAT THAN WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ONE WOULD BE, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING ON THE ONE 70 SIDE.
I KNOW IT'S THE DRIVE THROUGH AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME SPACE CONSIDERATIONS FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO BAIL OUT, BUT, UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE WANNA GIVE UP OUR EIGHT FOOT SPACING RIGHT THERE.
UH, MR. FLYNN, I, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO RE REITERATE THE, UH, REAR END THE FRONT AS FAR AS HAVING THEM LOOK SIMILAR.
UM, IT'S BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT AND I HOPE THE DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE I THINK REALLY RIGHT NOW.
AND AS WELL AS THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT BE BEING SCREENED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE HOW IN DEPTH THAT, UM, IS GONNA BE SCREENED ON.
I MEAN, I CAN'T, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, UH, PRINTS THAT SHOW THAT.
AND, AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO'VE SPOKEN ALREADY, YOU'RE TALKING THAT FRONTAGE ON ONE 70 TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO THE BACK OF A BUILDING, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, REITERATE WHAT RICH WAS SAYING.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE, UM, THE SIDE THAT'S FACING ONE 70 AND THE
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LANDSCAPING AS WELL ALONG THAT FOUNDATION.UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, COME BACK REVISED WITH, UH, ADDRESSING THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS THAT THE TOWN HAS.
UH, COMMISSIONER LYDIA DEPAUL.
I WOULD ECHO THOSE SAME CONCERNS.
UM, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS JUST TO THINK ABOUT.
I AGREED WITH STEPH'S COMMENTS ON RAISING THE BRICK BASE SUM.
I THINK WITH IT ESSENTIALLY BEING A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT'S KIND OF EXPRESSED AS ONE STORY, IT WOULD VERY MUCH HELP TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE INCHES.
UM, A LITTLE OVER A FOOT MAYBE AT THE BASE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE FLAT ROOF.
UM, I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF MAYBE, UM, CHARLOTTE COULD HELP ANSWER THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE DEFINITION OF IMPEDIMENT IS THAT IT HAS A SLOPE TO IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE USE THAT INTERCHANGEABLY WITH THE TOWN FOR A PARAPET.
UM, BUT TO ME THIS ISN'T REALLY AEDI SO MUCH.
UM, CHARLOTTE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO HOW THAT'S BEEN APPLIED.
WE ALL GOTTA GET USED TO IT AGAIN.
UM, YEAH, THE, THE REQUIREMENT TYPICALLY IS TO HAVE A SLOPE OF, UM, BUT WE HAVE SEEN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE DO HAVE FLAT ROOFS.
UM, SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED, THAT'S JUST AS A DECISION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO MAKE, UH, FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS COME IN AND ASK THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST FOUR 12 PITCH, UM, SOME OF THE ROOFS.
UM, I DO THINK JUST FROM A CONSISTENCY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND FENESTRATION.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE MAYBE THREE DIFFERENT KIND OF SCHEMES GOING ON.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE EIGHT LIGHT TRANSOMS OVER SOME SPANDREL GLASS THAT SORT OF MIMICS THE STOREFRONT AT THE ENTRY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER KIND OF HIGHER IN THE WALL WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE FOUR LIGHT WINDOWS.
SO I THINK ANY OF THEM COULD BE OKAY, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT ODD TO HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT GRID SCHEMES ON THE SAME BUILDING.
UM, I DO QUESTION AGAIN, AS STAFF DID TO THE USE OF THE X DETAILING.
THAT FEELS PRETTY AGRARIAN TO ME FOR A BUILDING THAT'S INTENDED TO BE LOW COUNTRY AND IT'S NOT AN AGRARIAN FUNCTION.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THE, UM, ANOTHER THING JUST TO CONSIDER, AND MAYBE THIS COULD BE PART OF THE BRICK DETAILING, IF WE WENT TO THE, UM, I GUESS YOU'RE CALLING IT THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHICH IS THAT ONE.
UM, IT, I THINK THAT THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND THE SIDING ARE IN THE SAME WALL PLANE, WHICH IS KIND OF ODD FOR LOW COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THE BOARD AND BATTEN ABOVE THE SIDING.
UM, BUT USUALLY TO CHANGE A VERTICAL MATERIAL IN THE SAME WALL PLANE IS USUALLY THERE'S AT LEAST A, SOME RELIEF IN THOSE TWO MASSES.
UM, AND KIND OF THE WAY THAT THAT BRICK BASE IS JOGGING ALL IN THE SAME PLANE BETWEEN THOSE TWO MATERIALS IS ODD ALSO.
UM, AND THEN I THINK, UH, STAFF HAD MADE THE COMMENT TOO THAT THE FIXED SHUTTERS WITH AWNINGS OVER THEM IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL PRESENTATION.
AND MAYBE WE COULD INSTEAD LOOK AT SOME BAHAMA SHUTTERS TO ADD SOME OF THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THE ONE 70 FACING ELEVATION, THESE VERY SMALL FIXED SHUTTERS WITH A X PANEL BELOW AND THEN A AWNING IS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT WE, UH, I GUESS JUST ASK THE COMMISSION, ARE WE ALL OKAY THAT THE METERS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE THAT'RE FACING THE STREET? IT'S NOT ONE 70, BUT IS THE MAIN DRAG COMING IN WITH NO, LIKE LANDSCAPE BUFFER? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET SOME TALLER PLANTINGS IN FRONT OF THEM OR SOME TYPE OF A SCREEN WALL OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN THE SECTION, UH, FOR THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, EVERYTHING LYDIA JUST HIT ON.
UM, I WAS TENDING TO AGREE WITH, UM, I KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD TO DO DO LINE OF SITE ANALYSIS FOR ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
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SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT COULD, THAT WOULD SHOW, HEY, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THE LINE OF SIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THOSE ROOFTOP UNITS AND THEY WON'T, THEY'LL FALL WITH UNDER EITHER THE ROOF LINE OR SOME TYPE OF SCREEN SYSTEM.UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE BLACK COLOR, YOU JUST DON'T SEE, OR I HAVEN'T UTILIZED THAT A LOT DOWN HERE IN THE LOW COUNTRY, UM, WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
UM, I KNOW CHARLESTON GREEN IS A VERY DARK GREEN COLOR THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED IN THE PAST FOR, TO GET THAT BLACK LOOK, BUT ALSO TO GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR DEPENDING ON HOW THE LIGHT'S HITTING IT.
UM, YEAH, MY, MY CONCERNS ALONG THE LINES OF, OF WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, UM, THE FIRST ONE I HAD ON MY LIST, THAT BRICK BASE, I THINK THAT CAN SOLVE THE X ISSUE.
AND I THINK, LYDIA, YOU WERE GOING ALONG THAT LINE TOO.
IF THOSE X PANELS ARE OUT AND IT'S A HIGHER BRICK BASE, THAT'LL ACCOMPLISH A LOOK WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA LYDIA HAD ON THE SHUTTERS, UM, THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER.
UM, GUYS, YOU PROBABLY GETTING SICK OF HEARING ME SAY THIS, BUT UM, THE APPLICANT HASN'T HEARD ME SAY THIS.
YOU JUST HEAR ME SAY IT ON EVERY, UM, PROJECT.
IF YOU CAN'T PUT AN EIGHT FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN, SHRINK THE BUILDING OR FIGURE IT OUT.
WE HAD MOST RECENTLY THE, UM, GAS STATION, THE FUEL GAS STATION WHERE CONFIGURED THEIR CAR WASH TO MAKE SURE THEY MET THAT, THAT EIGHT FOOT BUFFER REQUIREMENT.
I THINK IF WE MAKE AN EXCEPTION, WE'RE GONNA START MAKING EXCEPTIONS FOR EVERYONE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT VEGETATION THAT WE WANT AROUND THE BUILDINGS.
UM, THE LED LIGHTING IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO ON EVERYTHING.
HIGHWAY ONE 70 FRONTAGE NEEDS TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING.
UM, ONE THING I DON'T THINK, UH, I'VE HEARD YET IS, UH, THE DUMPSTERS.
I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION OF THEM.
I DO LIKE THE BRICK WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT THEY NEED VEGETATION AROUND THEM SO THEY CAN'T BE SEEN FROM HIGHWAY ONE 70.
'CAUSE IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A FRONT ELEVATION AND THOSE DUMPSTERS ARE SITTING OUT THERE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE SIDE, UM, THAT JUST ISN'T THE LOOK WE'RE GOING FOR.
SO SOME TYPE OF A, LIKE AN IVY OR SOME CYPRESS TREE, YOU KNOW, UM, LELAND CYPRESS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN COVER THE, UH, BRICK AREA WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, AND THEN I'M, I'M THE HVAC GUY.
THAT'S WHAT I DO IN REAL LIFE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET, WE DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHT OR TYPE OF THE, I MEAN, WE KNOW THEIR RT, YOU'VE GOT A RACK UP NEAR ONE 70 WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING SPLIT SYSTEMS, UM, IN A MINI SPLIT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHTS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THAT LINE OF SIGHT.
UM, OUR UDO CALLS FOR THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT BE ABOVE THE TOP OF THE PARAPET AND WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY OF THAT INFORMATION.
UM, IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU CAN FIX THAT BY DOING, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER BAHA WAS SAYING ABOUT WITH THE, UH, FOUR 12 ROOF.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MASK, UM, SOME OF THE HEIGHT OF THE AC UNITS.
UM, WHERE, WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE, GUYS? DO WE WANNA, UM, HEAR THE APPLICANT, UH, MAYBE ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THESE ISSUES? WHAT, WHAT, UH, OR DO WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE CIRCLED BACK AND BROUGHT TO US? OR DO WE WANNA TRY AND, UH, UM, TRY AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN MOVE IT ON WITH CONDITIONS THAT STAFF ATTENDS TO LOOKING FOR A GENERAL FEEL FROM COMMISSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF THEY CAN ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS TO BE DEALT WITH, WITH BY STAFF, BUT JUST, JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.
RICHARD, DO YOU, JIM? I AGREE.
UM, RICHARD, DO YOU WANNA START WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL AND THEN BRIAN CAN TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE, THE EIGHT FEET THAT WE NEED ON, UM, THE REAR? UH, SURE.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS CAN TAKE IT ANY WAY YOU LIKE.
I THINK THERE'S, ALL OF US HAD VARIOUS COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU COULD ADDRESS ALL OF THE COMMENTS IN WHATEVER ORDER SEEMS RIGHT FOR YOU.
I'LL START WITH THE, UM, THE BUILDING DESIGN AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS, UM, THAT I CAN AT LEAST, UH, NUMBER ONE C TO B TOP ON EVERYBODY'S LIST WAS SCREENING
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THE RTUS.THESE RTS ARE FULLY SCREENED BY THE EXISTING PARAPET LINE SHOWN.
SO, UM, UH, THERE IS NO LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE.
UM, WELL, WE, YOU SAY THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET, WE DON'T HAVE THE MAKE AND MODEL OF THE RTUS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.
SO WE, WE WILL NOT ASSUME THAT THAT IS CORRECT BASED ON WORD.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO SEE SPECIFICALLY IN WRITING? OKAY.
HOW HIGH IS THE PARAPET TOP FROM THE ROOF? THAT'S NOT ON ANY OF THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
HOW HIGH IS THE PLATFORM THAT'S HOLDING THE MINI SPLIT CONDENSER OR THE, UM, SPLIT CONDENSERS? HOW HIGH ARE THE RTUS THAT ARE GOING ON THE UNIT ON THE ROOF? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT IF WE HAVE THE, IF WE HAVE THE MODEL NUMBER OF THE, UM, HVAC UNITS, IF WE HAVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE AC UNITS, WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT YOU TELLING US, WELL, BUT THAT'S PRETTY FAR DOWN THE ROAD, DON'T YOU THINK? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN CONCEPTUAL DESIGN PHASE TO HAVE A MODEL NUMBER OF AN RTU, UH, AT THIS POINT IS STILL GONNA BE PRESUMPTIVE UNTIL WE GET INTO, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE IN, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE IN HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT WHERE WE LOOK AT THE VISUAL OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WE APPROVE IT OR WE DENY IT.
AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IS THAT THOSE A THREE A C UNITS CANNOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING OR OF THE BUILDING.
NOW IF YOU GO TO INSTALL THEM AND THEY'RE HIGHER THAN THAT PARAPET, YOU WILL NOT GET C OF O.
AND IF WE DON'T MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RIGHT AT THIS POINT IN THE EQUATION, YOU COULD HAVE A BUILDING BUILT AND NOT BE ABLE TO GET C OF O.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT A BUILDING SECTION IS DEFINITELY NEEDED TO, 'CAUSE EVEN IF YOU END UP SWAPPING OUT THE UNITS, IF YOU AT LEAST GET THE HEIGHT CORRECT AND CAN SHOW US WHAT, WHERE THE ROOF IS RELATIVE TO THE PARAPET AND WHERE THE STAMP PLATFORM IS RELATIVE TO THE PARAPET AND ALL OF THAT, IT CAN'T JUST BE PLAN B IS WE NEED TO SEE IT IN SECTION.
I MEAN, RICHARD, I I, WE COULD AT LEAST PROVIDE THAT.
THE ONLY THING WE WOULD NOT KNOW IS OBVIOUSLY THE MODEL NUMBERS OF THE UNITS YET UNTIL WE GO ACTUALLY INTO DESIGN.
BUT, BUT WHAT YOU WILL KNOW IS YOU'VE GOT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THE CFMS THAT ARE NEEDED IN THAT BUILDING, SO YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL TONNAGE.
SO YOU CAN WORK BACKWARDS FROM THAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT MANUEL JS AND MANUEL S IS SITTING OUT THERE ON THESE BUILDINGS AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN 'EM.
OKAY, I'LL GET WITH THE ENGINEERS, SEE WHAT THEY CAN COME UP WITH, UM, FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA OPERATE UNDER THE PRESUMPTION THAT WE, WE WILL HAVE THESE FULLY SCREENED NO MATTER WHAT, BUT WE'LL PROVIDE THAT BUILDING SECTION, UM, TO SHOW IT.
AND THEN IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN PRODUCE MODEL NUMBERS.
AND, UH, CURB, CURB DETAIL FOR, FOR THE, UH, RTU.
UM, SECONDLY WOULD BE THE HIGHWAY ONE 70, UM, THAT FACES THE PHARMACY OF THE BUILDING.
UM, UH, THE ONE CONCERN WE'VE, WE'VE SHARED WITH DRC AS WELL ABOUT THAT END BEING, BECAUSE THAT END IS THE PHARMACY END IS, UH, THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXTRA SECURITY REQUIRED THERE.
UM, SO CVS ALLOW, UH, TRANSPARENT GLASS IN THOSE AREAS, UH, BECAUSE IF IT'S, IT'S, THAT MAKES IT A HIGH SECURITY RISK FOR THE PHARMACY ITSELF.
UM, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER THE LOCATION.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF BREAK-INS AND THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF, UM, UNFORTUNATE, UH, CRIME IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE'RE WORKING WITH.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ENHANCE THAT ELEVATION, BUT CLEAR GLASS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE, UM, UM, IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE AN OPTION THERE ON THAT PARTICULAR ELEVATION.
SO I'M HOPING WE CAN, UM, IS COMMISSION BELIEF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT STILL MIMICS THAT, THAT, UH, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE USE OF CLEAR GLASS ON THAT ELEVATION.
ANYONE WANNA SPEAK UP TO THAT? I DON'T WANNA MONOPOLIZE THIS OR TO SUGGESTIONS.
YEAH, I MEAN, LYDIA KINDA HIT ON THE USE OR THE SOUNDED TO THE USE OF THE, THE BAHAMAS SHUTTERS.
NOW I'LL LOOK TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO KIND OF WEIGH IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING THOSE ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS AND ON THIS, EVEN IF IT, THERE WAS NO GLASS BEHIND, BUT THE BAHAMAS, SH BAHAMAS SHUTTER WOULD GIVE THE ILLUSION THAT IT MATCHES THE OTHER ELEVATIONS.
UM, YEAH, THAT IS, IT WOULD SOMETHING THAT I
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THINK COULD BE LOOKED AT AS AN OPTION.I'LL LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WEIGH IN ON THAT IDEA.
AND MORE ARCHITECTURAL SAVVY THAN, THAN I WOULD BE.
YEAH, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
UM, AND WE CAN EXPAND ON THOSE DETAILS.
THE, UH, THE NEXT ONE, UH, RAISING OF THE BRICK BASE.
I KNOW WHEN WE MET WITH DRC, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAD WITH THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL WAS THAT OUR BRICK BASE THEY FELT WAS TOO TALL.
UM, I, I'M GUESSING WE FEEL LIKE THE PENDULUM SWUNG TOO FAR THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UM, I WAS SIMPLY, SIMPLY TRYING TO MIMIC A MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL ON THAT, UH, IN RELATION TO USING THE CLAPBOARD SIDING.
'CAUSE USUALLY YOU DON'T SEE A TALL BRICK BASE, USUALLY IT'S FAIRLY LOW FOUNDATION WISE.
UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST ADD THAT HERE, TYPICALLY HOUSES DOWN HERE ARE AT LEAST LIKE THREE FEET OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO EVEN AT A RESIDENTIAL SCALE, WE'RE USED TO SEEING LIKE A 30 TO 42 INCH BRICK BASE AROUND A BUILDING.
WELL, THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE WERE TOLD BRING IT DOWN MM-HMM
SO, I MEAN, CAN WE LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS ELEVATION? CAN WE PUT THAT UP OR NO, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
BUT DO WE HAVE THAT IN THE PACKET AND IT, IT, IT'S OKAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA PING PONG THIS BACK AND FORTH.
IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ANOTHER EIGHT INCHES, OF COURSE, EIGHT INCHES, 12 INCHES, IS THAT, UM, WHAT I'M GETTING TO MAYBE, UM, ONE FOOT FOUR HIGHER.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TOTALLY SOLVES IT FOR ME AT LEAST.
I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT THAT YOUR WINDOWS ARE SO HIGH IN THE ELEVATION, WHICH I THINK WAS POTENTIALLY A COMMENT FROM DRC TOO, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE PRODUCTS AND THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BE LOWER, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT'S GIVING PEDESTRIAN SCALE ON THIS.
THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE ALMOST 13 FEET, UM, IS TOUGH.
HE WAS, UM, I I JUST SHARED THE, UH, THE FIRST RENDITION THAT CAME IN ON THE, ON THE ELEVATIONS IF YOU NEEDED THAT FOR REFERENCE, RICHARD.
THERE YOU SEE THE TALLER BASE.
SEE, I THINK THAT BRICK WITH THE, UH, WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE NOW VERSUS THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THAT ONE WOULD LOOK GOOD TO ME.
BUT I, I DEFER TO LYDIA BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY THE EXPERT ON THIS.
I'M, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO DESIGN THE BUILDING.
Y'ALL CAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT HERE TO SOLVE IT JUST TO KIND OF SHARE OUR CONCERNS, BUT, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF POTENTIALLY THERE'S A WAY TO USE BRICK TO, OR IF YOU WANNA JOG THE PLAN SLIGHTLY TO GET A BREAK BETWEEN YOUR MATERIALS.
I THINK WE NEED TO STICK TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET AND NOT BE BRINGING UP PAST SUBMITTALS.
JUST 'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON IS WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED CURRENTLY.
WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT A CONDITION TO, UM, CHANGE IT AND THEN WE COULD SAY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST, AND WE CAN HAVE HIM RESUBMIT THAT, BUT YEAH, I AGREE.
CARRIE, COMMISSIONER, UH, WETMORE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHY THE APPLICANT THINKS WE WANTED IT LOWERED? WHO SAID THAT? WAS IT A DRC MEMBER? WAS IT STAFF? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE REASON WAS FOR THAT? I TRULY DON'T KNOW.
DO WE KNOW STAFF CHARLOTTE? THAT WAS, UH, YES, AND THAT WAS A STAFF COMMENT, UM, BECAUSE WE FELT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO TALL.
UM, SO, UM, THERE WAS A, A MENTIONED, UM, THAT IT KIND OF WENT MAYBE A LITTLE TOO FAR IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN, UM, WE'D BE FINE WITH HOW TALL WAS IT ORIGINALLY? DO WE KNOW? UH, IT WAS JUST SHOWN, I DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHT.
BRIAN, COULD YOU SH SHARE THAT ONE MORE TIME? I, I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS IN THAT SUBMITTAL.
IT WOULD ROUGHLY AROUND FOUR FEET.
WHERE DO YOU THINK IT IS, RICHARD? IT'S EITHER FOUR FEET OR FOUR FOOT EIGHT.
I, I HAVE SOME IDEAS JUST LOOKING AT IT AS TO HOW TO BRING THE BRICK UP.
UM, IF COMMISSION WOULD BE AMICABLE, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO, I'D, I'D STILL LIKE TO VARY IT.
UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE LANGUAGE OF THE BUILDING TO, UH, TO, TO MAINTAIN SOME, SOME, UH, VARIED
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ARTICULATION, UH, ALONG THE FA FACADE.ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN DESIGNING OTHER CVSS IS, UH, IT CAN START TO LOOK RATHER MONOTONOUS IF WE'RE JUST, UM, RUNNING ONE BASE AT ONE HEIGHT, UH, AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, IT STARTS TO, UM, I LIKE TO USE THAT AS A FEATURE TO HELP BREAK UP SOME OF THE MASSING.
UM, THAT FOR ME HELPS BRING IT DOWN MORE TO THAT HUMAN SCALE THAT WE WERE, I THINK WE'RE ALL SE UH, SEARCHING FOR ON THIS.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO PLAY WITH THAT ALONG WITH, UH, AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE, UH, SORT OF THE X BRACE PANELS, UH, FROM A, IT'S A LANGUAGE OF BARN ARCHITECTURE.
SO, UH, THE VERNACULAR IS, IS THERE WITH LOW COUNTRY, BUT IF IT'S NOT FITTING WITH WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IN BLUFF, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
AND, UH, I WAS TRYING TO SHOOT FOR THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.
SO, UM, IF, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE COULD INFILL THAT WITH BRICK UNDERNEATH THOSE WINDOWS.
UH, AND THAT AGAIN WOULD HELP VARY SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COLOR PALETTE, TEXTURE AND MATERIALS, UH, TO GIVE IT MORE OF A RICH FEEL, UH, AND CONTINUE TO ADD INTEREST, UH, TO THOSE AREAS, UH, WHERE WE CAN'T JUST PUNCH THROUGH WITH, WITH GLASS.
UM, TRYING TO THINK OTHER THINGS.
I, THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER, THE DUMPSTER SCREENING.
YEAH, THOSE ARE GONNA BE CIVIL.
I'M GONNA LET BRIAN MORRIS, UH, HANDLE OKAY.
UH, AND, AND I, I'LL TELL YOU ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE BRICK AND, AND, UM, I'M JUST ONE OF ONE OF SIX IN THIS MEETING COMMISSIONERS, BUT, UM, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO KEEP THE MASS AND SCALE FROM GETTING TOO BIG.
SO WHEN I HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT VERY VARYING AT SOME TO BREAK UP THAT MASS, I LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, COMMISSION IF WE DO, UH, PUSH THIS ON WITH CONDITIONS, I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS KIND OF REVIEW WITH STAFF THE CHANGES THAT COME IN.
IF WE DON'T, IF WE MAKE 'EM COME BACK NEXT MONTH, WE ALL LOOK AT IT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ON THE BRICK.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO VARY THE HEIGHTS OF IT.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT IF WE'RE DOING THAT, DON'T, PLEASE DON'T DO IT IN THE SAME WALL PLANE.
YOU GOTTA GIVE US AT LEAST LIKE A SIX INCH JOG OR SOMETHING SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST STEPPING IN THE SAME PLANE.
UM, RICHARD, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN, I, I'M THINKING ABOUT HOW BEST TO, UM, UH, STEPPING OF SIX INCHES, LIKE PROJECTING OUT FROM THE FACE FROM LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THE FACT THAT THAT MASS HAS A HIGHER WATER TABLE IS GOOD, WHERE IT'S NOT AS SUCCESSFUL IS THE, WHAT YOU ARE CALLING THE FRONT SIDE ELEVATION.
SO ON THIS ONE, THE LEFT SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THE DOORS ENTERING THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
HOW THAT WATER TABLE IS HIGHER BECAUSE THAT ELEMENT IS PROJECTING OFF THE FACE, I BELIEVE HOPEFULLY YES.
UM, THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE MATERIAL BE A DIFFERENT HEIGHT, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR FRONT ELEVATION WHERE THAT ENTIRE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS ONE CONTINUOUS WALL PLANE, IT'S ODD FOR THE FOUNDATION MATERIAL TO STEP LIKE THAT WITHOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CHANGE IN THE PLANE OF THE WALL IN TERMS OF THE MASSING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
WE TRIED TO, I TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BY USING A DIFFERENT COURSING METHOD, UH, WHERE IT GOES FROM A SOLDIER COURSE ON TOP DOWN TO A REGULAR RUNNING BOND, UM, SO THAT IT MAKES THE BOTTOM TRIM BOARD, UH, LOOK LIKE A TRUE SKIRT BOARD, UH, WHERE IT'S JUST BOARD AND BAD AND IT COMES DOWN ON THE LOWER SIDE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE THE FRONT SIDE ELEVATION.
SO I THINK YOU CAN STILL DO THAT AS LONG AS WE CAN GET SOME DIFFERENCE.
BETWEEN THE WALL, BETWEEN THE SIGNATURES POINT, THE OTHER WAY WITH IT, AND ACTUALLY STEPPING UP THERE, BRINGING THE BRICK UP TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE, UM, OF THE SHUTTER.
YOU SEE THAT BOTTOM PANEL? MM-HMM
AND, AND, UH, AND THEN REP POSSIBLY REPEATING THAT IN THE OTHER AREAS IN SIMILAR CONDITIONS.
UH, AGAIN, STILL HAVING, WE STILL HAVE
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A STAGGER, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A, UM, VARIATION IN THE ELEVATION, BUT UNIFORMITY IN THE OVERALL APPLICATION OF THESE VENEERS.THE ONLY OTHER THING I SEE IN MY NOTES AS TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED ARCHITECTURALLY WOULD BE, UM, POSSIBLE SCREENING SOMEHOW OF THE METERS UP FRONT, WHETHER THROUGH A A SERVICE YARD OR, UM, VEGETATIVE OF SOME TYPE.
I THINK LYDIA BROUGHT THAT UP.
WE DON'T WANNA PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT AND SEE THE METERS, YOU KNOW.
AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A ROW OF, UH, NEEDLE POINT HOLLY, UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK ALONG THAT EIGHT FOOT PLANTING STRIP IN FRONT OF THAT METER ON THAT SIDE.
WE SHOULD SEE IT IN LANDSCAPING THEN IF WE PULL THAT UP.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD WANT TO ASK ABOUT IS THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME, UH, CHALLENGE TO THE USE OF BLACK YES.
UH, I, I DID SEE IT IN THE UDO IMAGES FROM THE OLD TOWN REFERENCE, UH, THE OLD TOWN.
UH, SO THAT'S, UH, I DID SEE THE USE OF BLACK THERE AND THAT, UM, I THINK WITH YOUR PALETTE, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO BRONZE OR SOMETHING, STILL DARK, BUT JUST SLIGHTLY DARK LIKE A, LIKE A DARK BRONZE.
IT COULD BE VERY DARK, BUT JUST A SLIGHT SOFTNESS TO IT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRUE HARSH BLACK DOWN HERE.
IT'S EITHER A CHARLESTON GREEN BRONZE.
THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH A MATTE BLACK, SO IT WOULD BE, UH, NOTHING SHINY, NOTHING, UH, THAT STARK.
BUT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'VE USED, UH, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE AND I COULD DEFINITELY YEAH, EXACTLY.
I THINK A DARK BRONX WOULD WORK REALLY WELL.
THERE'S, OR WORK JUST AS WELL AS, AS THE ACTUAL BLACK, SO THAT WILL BE AN EASY CHANGE THEN.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT CVS RED, I'M HAPPY.
UH, NO, NO, WE TRIED TO TONE THAT DOWN.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE, WITH THE MUTED COLOR PALETTE, WE WERE REALLY HOPING THAT, UM, UH, WE FOUND SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, CHARACTER WISE REALLY BLENDS WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE, SO.
UM, ALL THAT'S TO SAY WE'RE REALLY TRYING.
YEAH, WE ARE REALLY, AND, AND WE THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA BE REALLY HAPPY WITH THIS BUILDING.
PERSONALLY, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DESIGN BECAUSE, UH, IT IS QUITE A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT CVS WOULD NORMALLY APPROVE.
I'M THRILLED TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO THIS.
AND SO, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THESE COMMENTS AND, UH, I'M, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, UH, UH, WE'RE NOT SAYING THROW THE WHOLE DESIGN OUT.
UM, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD ELEMENTS TO THIS, BUT WE JUST LIKE FINE TUNING IT
DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, UM, LANDSCAPING RELATED YES.
BRIAN, ALL YIELD HAVE FLOOR TO YOU FOR THOSE? YEAH.
YEAH, SO LET ME SEE ON THE, ON THE PLANNING STRIP ON THE ONE 70 SIDE, LET SEE IF I COULD SHARE MY SITE PLAN MAY SUM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER HERE.
UM, SO OUR, OUR NORTH CURB LINE IS REALLY BEING SET BASED ON THE, UH, TREE ROOT ZONES OFF THE, UH, OFF THE BUFFER, THE 60 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING THE CURB OUTSIDE OF THAT.
AND WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TO THE SOUTH.
WE'VE ALSO GOT THE TREE SAFE AREA IN THIS ISLAND, UM, HERE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE.
SO WE'VE GOT THE DRIVE AISLE, WE'VE GOT THE SIDEWALK, WE'VE GOT THE EIGHT FOOT PLANTING STRIP UP AGAINST THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE'VE GOT IT ON THE EAST SIDE.
WHERE WE'RE RUNNING INTO TROUBLE IS ON THIS NORTH SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ON THESE CVS DRIVE-THROUGHS, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AT A MINIMUM, UH, 10 FOOT PRIMARY DRIVE-THROUGH LANE WITH A 10 FOOT, UH, BYPASS BAILOUT LANE.
UM, WE ALSO HAD WITH THE DUMPSTER AND COMPACTOR LOCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICE VEHICLES THAT PICK THOSE UP ARE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL THROUGH THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO WITH THAT NORTH SIDE LANDSCAPE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
UM, WHAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOTTA PROVIDE LANDSCAPING ON THAT NORTH SIDE, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THREE AND A HALF FEET
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OFF THE BUILDING AND, AND PLANT WITHIN THAT AREA SO THAT WE COULD MAINTAIN IT AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT, UH, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE 10 FOOT FOR PRIMARY DRIVE THROUGH AND UM, 10 FOOT FOR BYPASS AROUND THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.COMMISSIONERS, I'M GONNA LET YOU SPEAK UP TO YOUR OPINIONS ON THAT.
Y'ALL KNOW MY OPINION, BUT AGAIN, YEAH, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THE BYPASS LANE MORE OF A, A ONCE FOR ON CVSS END, UM, THAN A NEED? UH, IF WE CAN GET THAT BUFFER BY, YOU KNOW, FOREGOING THE BYPASS LANE.
I UNDERSTAND IF YOU KNOW THE PHARMACY, IT MAY TAKE A WHILE.
UM, YOU MAY GET SOME FRUSTRATED PATRONS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT FALLS, YOU KNOW, ON PEOPLE LIKE US TO MAKE SURE WE PLAN OUT
UM, AND YOU YEAH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
YEAH, AND I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPERATIONAL ITEM THAT CVS REVIEWS AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR, YOU KNOW, SITE APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S LESS THAN THAT 20 FEET ON THAT SIDE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PAVEMENT TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THEIR DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW AND APPROVE ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN THAT PROTOTYPICAL DISTANCE OR WIDTH.
SO I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROPOSE THREE AND A HALF AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN CAN WORK WITH US ON.
UM, IF IT HAS TO BE THE EIGHT FOOT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE TO GO BACK TO CVS FOR CONSIDERATION ON THAT TO SEE IF THEY WOULD APPROVE IT.
MR. MORRIS, FROM THEIR OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, MR. MORRIS, MR. IS COMMISSIONER DELCO, HAVE YOU HAD SITUATIONS WHERE THOSE EXCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN AGREED TO BEFORE? UM, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.
WHAT IS PLANNED FOR? IS IT JUST SOD BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE? I'M SORRY, THE ONE 70 SIDE? THE ONE 70 MM-HMM
SO I THINK, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL LANDSCAPE.
YEAH, SO BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE BUFFER, WE HAVE SOD UH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF TREES UP IN THIS AREA, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE EXISTING 60 FOOT BUFFER.
BEYOND THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THIS, BUT IF YOU WERE TO DO A THREE AND A HALF FOOT PLANTING BED AND THEN POTENTIALLY PLANT THE ONE 70 SIDE OF THE DRIVE TO GET US TO EIGHT FEET, WHERE WE WOULD STILL BE ACHIEVING SCREENING THE BUILDING FROM, I KNOW THERE IS A BUFFER, BUT WITHIN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA, SCREENING THE BUILDING BEYOND THE BUFFER, HAVING SOME OF IT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, I COULD POTENTIALLY BE OPEN TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE MAY RUN INTO IS WITH THE ROOT ZONES OF THE OTHER TREES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS LITTLE AREA HERE.
YOU COULD PROBABLY DO SOME PLANTINGS IF YOU TRY TO DO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COUPLE MORE OVER HERE.
UM, OF COURSE, IF YOU TRY TO PLAN IT IN THE ROOT ZONE, YOU MAY END UP IMPACTING SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE BUFFER.
SO THERE'S KIND OF LITTLE BIT OF POCKETS HERE AND HERE THAT WE COULD PROBABLY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS PLUS THE THREE AND A HALF FOOT PLANTINGS UP AGAINST THE BUILDING IF WE ADD THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN, UH, WHEN A MOTION IS MADE.
I TEND TO BE MORE RIGID THAN THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE YOU CAN MAKE YOUR BUILDING SMALLER IF YOU CAN'T FIT WHAT'S NEEDED, BUT, UM, SOME GOOD CONVERSATION THERE.
CHARLIE, I'LL JUST HIT ON, MAN, WHAT LYDIA BROUGHT UP.
I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF SETTING PRECEDENT AND I'M, I'D BE AMENABLE TO, BUT I'D WANNA ASK CVS THE QUESTION FIRST.
UM, IF THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FOREGOING THE BYPASS LANE SO WE CAN STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE BUFFER.
WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO MAKE ANY SPECIAL CONCESSIONS, UM, TO KIND OF MAKE THIS WORK.
I'D, I'D RATHER THAT QUESTION BE ASKED FIRST OF CVS, UM, AND IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PROVE THERE'S ANY TYPE OF HARDSHIP THERE TO MAKE THAT CONCESSION, THEN
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IT'D BE SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL.TO COMMISSIONER WHITMORE'S POINT, THEY ALSO COULD KEEP THE BYPASS LANE AND JUST MAKE THE BUILDING SMALLER IF THE BYPASS LANE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE DESIGN.
AND, AND I, I, CHARLIE, NOW COMMISSIONER WHITMORE AGREE I DON'T LIKE MAKING EXCEPTIONS.
SO I WOULD BE WITH COMMISSIONER GROVE WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS, LET'S SEE IF THEY GET AN AGREEMENT FROM CVS BEFORE WE GIVE UP OUR EIGHT FOOT BUFFER.
IF, IF I CAN, LET ME, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK ABOUT A THREE FOOT PLANTING STRIP, WHAT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY CAN GROW IN THE THREE FOOT PLANTING STRIP? WHAT ARE WE OFFERING THERE BY, BY GIVING THREE FEET? UM, THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF GRADING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CURB BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE CURB, SO MM-HMM
THE, UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THAT, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE PROTECTING THOSE ROOTS, BUT YOU'RE PUTTING SEVERAL FEET ON TOP OF THOSE ROOTS.
SO WHEN YOU PUT ANYTHING OVER SIX INCHES OVER A ROOT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JEOPARDIZING THE ENVIRONMENT OF THOSE TREES.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE DASH LINES ARE WELL WITH WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THREE FEET OF FILL.
SO I, I'M NOT BUYING THAT, THAT THOSE ROOTS ARE VERY PROTECTED.
UM, PLUS YOU HAVE QUITE A SLOPE ON THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW, HOW THAT GRASS IS GOING TO GROW IF IT'S SHADED ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT IT'S SLOPED.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT GRASS IS GONNA DO ON THAT SIDE OF THE CURB.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS IN A, IN A STRIP THAT YOU CAN DO THAT'S VERTICAL, THAT'S UP THE WALL, THAT'S CALLED A GREEN WALL.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA DESIGN THAT FOR YOU, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT TO DO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO THERE, UM, IN THAT SPACE, IF IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THREE FEET, UM, I, I, I GUESS GO TO CVS AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY AND COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US SOME OPTIONS.
UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO A LOT IN THREE FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE EIGHT FOOT ALONG THE, THE SIDE THAT IS CALLED THE LEFT ELEVATION, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, MR. PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT CONCERN ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL AND THE, THE UTILITIES ON THAT SIDE.
UM, NEEDLE POINT, HOLLY, THE MATURE HEIGHT IS 10 TO 15 FEET AND THE WIDTH IS 10 FEET.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOWING IN THAT BED.
SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF YOU KNOW THAT RUN OF NEEDLE POINT, HOLLY IS GONNA WORK IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, SO I KIND OF QUESTIONED THAT.
AND WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU KIND OF WANNA CHANGE UP WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT BED BASED ON WHAT THE ELEVATION IS OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ONE RUN OF THE SAME PLANT IS JUST, I DON'T THINK IT CORRESPONDS WITH WHAT THE, THE ELEVATION IS, IS OFFERING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO
TO GIVE YOU, GIVE HIGH VARIATION NUMBER ONE TO SCREEN THAT UTIL THOSE UTILITIES, BUT THEN ALSO THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S JUST ONE, ONE PLANT MATERIAL IS NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S DOING JUSTICE FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALONG THAT PLANNING BED.
I CAN GET WITH MY, UH, LANDSCAPE DESIGN TEAM AND TALK WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, SEE IF THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT CAN BE PROPOSED IN THOSE AREAS.
COMMISSIONERS, LET ME, LET'S TRY AND GET A SENSE OF THE TEMPERATURE OF, UH, COMFORT LEVEL OF THE COMMISSION AS TO, DO WE WANNA TRY AND TACKLE THIS WITH A BUNCH OF CONDITIONS, UM, AND PASS IT ON TO STAFF, OR DO WE WANNA SEE IT AGAIN? UM, I KNOW THERE'S A TENSION HERE.
WE REALLY COULD USE A PHARMACY OUT THERE, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT.
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SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM.COMMISSIONER WETMORE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER DELCO, AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AT THIS POINT, UH, JUST MAKING A LIST OF CONDITIONS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT, UH, UH, CHARLOTTE BROUGHT UP THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVEN ADDRESSED YET, OR THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HASN'T.
SO THERE'S A LOT ON THIS PLATE.
SO I'D BE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO WRITE DOWN ALL THESE CONDITIONS AND HAVE IT REVIEWED STAFF.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF, UM, IF THE ROOM'S GONNA GO THAT WAY, WHICH, WHICH I'M FINE, WHICHEVER WAY WE GO AS A WHOLE, UM, WE NEED TO BE AS CLEAR AS WE CAN, UM, WHEN THEY LEAVE THE ROOM TONIGHT AS TO WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE BACK BEFORE US.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, GIVE, GIVE US A FEEL FOR THE ROOM? THIS IS JIM FLYNN.
JUST WANTED TO, UH, ALSO REITERATE THAT I THINK GOING ALONG WITH SOMETHING YOU'VE SAID ALWAYS IN THE PAST, SHELLY, AND I AM GONNA SAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF CVS HAS POLICIES, MAYBE THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THE SITE AND SAY THAT THEY DO NEED TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, EVERYBODY MAKES OUT, THEY GET THEIR 20 FOOT, UH, IN THE BACK, UH, WE GET THE PLANTINGS.
UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND NOW WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE.
UM, I, I'M AGAIN AGREEING THAT THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 'EM COME BACK, BUT I ALSO REALLY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MAKING, LET'S SEE WHAT CBS SAYS ABOUT THE BACK AS FAR AS THE 20 FOOT, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY BE RECONSIDERING MAYBE THE SIZE OR RE RESHAPING IT.
I THINK THERE'S, THE EIGHT FOOT PLANTING BED IS A POTENTIAL REDESIGN FOR PART OF THE BUILDING OR THE SITE, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THEY WANNA GO ABOUT IT TO GET THE EIGHT FEET.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THE OTHER ARCHITECTURAL COMMENTS, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH TO HANDLE AS CONDITIONS.
UM, PROBABLY, UM, JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT DISCUSSED GETTING INTO SOME DETAIL, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, SOME CIVIL DETAILS.
UM, I, I THINK THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM IS THAT THERE'S AMENABLE OR AGREEABLE WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND TO COME BACK IT WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT PATH TO, EVEN IF IT WERE TO GET APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, THAT CONDITION LIST WOULD BE EASIER TO TACKLE FOR TOWN STAFF AND FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ITSELF.
UM, YEAH, WE'VE GOT, UM, I MEAN, MIKE, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK UP TOO, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM.
UM, NOW, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE A COUPLE CHOICES.
I THINK YOU HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO CHOICES APPROVE OR DENY, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE SEE HERE.
UM, YOU CAN, UM, PUT IT ON HOLD AND COME BACK TO US AND IF YOU DO PUT IT ON HOLD, WE WILL GIVE YOU, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT LIST ONE MORE TIME, JUST SO EVERYTHING'S CRYSTAL CLEAR AS TO WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO SEE, UH, CHANGED AND IMPROVED.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE, UH, I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY AS A COMMISSION TO TABLE IT, UH, BUT THAT PUTS IT UNDER OUR CONTROL.
SO, UM, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT AS AN APPLICANT.
UM, BUT IT IS YOUR DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE, UH, YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER IT FOR A VOTE OR IF YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW AT THIS POINT AND BRING IT BACK.
AND JUST SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE, UM, THE DEADLINE FOR FEBRUARY'S MEETING IS THE 29TH OF JANUARY, SO THAT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, AFTER THAT IT WOULD BE FEBRUARY 26TH AS A DEADLINE FOR THE MARCH 26TH MEETING.
I'M SORRY, YOU SAID FEBRUARY 26TH FOR THE MARCH MEETING? YEP.
IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD DO SOME, LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE LIKE ONE OR TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS COULD HAVE AN INTERIM MEETING TO REVIEW PROGRESS SO THAT HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME THERE'S NOT, UM, AN ABUNDANCE OF COMMENTS? I, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT, UM, UM, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO IT, LYDIA, YES, AND I AM OPEN TO IT AS WELL ON THE HVAC SIDE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A PAIN IN THE BUTT, BUT WE, WE MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING THE C OF O IF, IF IT'S VISIBLE.
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IF THAT, I WOULD, I, I WOULD LOVE THAT IDEA.THAT WAY, AT LEAST WHEN I KNOW IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND.
BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD GET FEEDBACK BEFORE THEN, SO THAT IF YOU SUBMIT IN FEBRUARY, YOU'RE HOPEFULLY CHECKING THE BOX AND MOVING ON.
SO IS IT YOUR DECISION TO WITHDRAW, PLEASE? YES.
AND BEFORE YOU GO, LET'S JUST, MY NOTES THAT I HAVE HERE, UM, AND COMMISSIONER, SPEAK UP IF I'M GETTING ANY OF THIS WRONG.
I'VE GOT, UM, INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE BRICK BASE, PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF TO THREE FEET TALL.
UM, NOT QUITE THAT FOUR TO FIVE FOOT TALL.
UM, THE SHUTTERS CONSIDER THE SHUTTER CHANGE THAT A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED.
UH, THAT EIGHT FOOT BED DATED BUFFER.
WE HAVE NOT MADE EXCEPTIONS IN OTHER PROJECTS.
WE'VE MADE THEM CHANGE 'EM, SO SEE IF THERE'S COME BACK TO US WITH A SOLUTION ON THAT.
UM, THE HVAC, UH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT'S GONNA FIT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO.
UM, AS A SIDE NOTE, THE LED LIGHTING, UH, THAT'S JUST THE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN.
UM, THE HIGHWAY ONE 70 FRONTAGE NEEDS TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING OR AT LEAST NOT LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING.
UM, HEAVY DUMPSTER SCREENING OF LANDSCAPING.
AND COMMISSIONER, AM I MISSING ANYTHING? I THINK GO AHEAD.
I WAS, UH, RICHARD PROBABLY HAS IN HIS NOTES, BUT WHAT THE POINT LYDIA MADE JUST ABOUT WITH THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT BRICK BASE, YOU KNOW, BEING CONSISTENT ON THE, THE PLANE OF WHATEVER FACE THE BUILDING IT'S ON.
UM, BUT GETTING THE VARIATION IN THAT TO PROVIDE SOME DEPTH.
AND THE, UH, UM, CONSIDER CHANGING FROM BLACK ON THE TOP RAIL.
THAT WAS THE OTHER NOTE I HAD.
COMMISSIONER, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
NO, COMMISSIONER TMORE, I WOULD ASK CHARLOTTE, ARE THERE ANY THINGS ON THE LIST THAT SHE SHARED WITH US INITIALLY THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WITH THE APPLICANT? YEAH, MAYBE PULL THAT LIST BACK UP.
CHARLOTTE, CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT REAL FAST JUST BEFORE IT PASSES TO THE NEXT ITEM? BUT I JUST, UM, AND DAN PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE LANGUAGE CORRECT AND IT'S NOT AN APPLICATION WITHDRAWAL, BUT A TABLE PAUSE BECAUSE IF IT'S A WITHDRAWAL, THEY'LL HAVE TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.
UM, IS IT CONSIDERED A TABLE FROM THAT END OF IT, OR IS IT CONSIDERED A, HOW DO WE DO IT LEGALLY? SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST TO TABLE THE ITEM.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE TABLING? NO.
DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO AN OFFICIAL REQUEST TO TABLE? YES, SIR.
UM, THE, UM, LET'S SEE, THE, UH, THE SHUTTERS, THE CONFIGURATIONS BETWEEN THE SHUTTERS AND THE WINDOWS.
SO ITEM FOUR, I THINK LYDIA HAD A, A SUGGESTION ON THAT.
LIKE A BAHAMA SHUTTER, CORRECT? MM-HMM
I THINK THAT WAS CHARLOTTE'S SUGGESTION.
AND THEN, UM, AND I BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS ALSO CONSIDER THE GRIDS AND THE WINDOWS, JUST FIGURING OUT A WAY TO KEEP THEM CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GLASS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL SET WITH THIS.
SORRY WE GAVE YOU A TON OF HOMEWORK, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE GREAT WHEN IT'S DONE.
OH, I'M TRYING TO FIND MY, HERE WE ARE.
MAYBE REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANTS 'CAUSE I KIND OF KICKED THEM OUT BEFORE, UM, TO TELL 'EM TO HOP BACK ON FOR CULVER'S.
WE'LL WAIT, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THEY GET IN BECAUSE I NEED TO READ THIS NEXT PART WITH THEM IN, UH, MR. RANDY TEMAN AND WENDY MARTIN ARE BOTH HERE.
THERE WAS LIKE A FRED AND A TOM OR SOMETHING BEFORE.
RIGHT? FRED AND TOM ARE THE OWNERS, SO I'M SURE THAT THEY WANNA BE INVOLVED AND PROBABLY THE CIVIL ENGINEER, WILLIAM HERE COMES.
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THEM.HEY, WE WERE WATCHING ON YOUTUBE.
[VIII.2. Culver's Bluffton (Development Plan): A request by William Heintz of Kimley-Horn, on behalf of Rolling Dough Properties, LLC, for approval of a Preliminary Development Plan. The project consists of a 4,400 SF quick service restaurant with associated parking and infrastructure. The property is zoned Buckwalter PUD and consists of approximately 1.52 acres identified by tax map number R610 030 000 2002 0000 and located at the southeast corner of Buckwalter Place Blvd and Innovation Drive within the Buckwalter Place Master Plan. (DP-10-24-019406) (Staff - Dan Frazier)]
ON THE AGENDA OF NEW BUSINESS IS CULVER'S BLUFFTON DEVELOPMENT PLAN.A REQUEST BY WILLIAM HEINZ OF KIMBERLY HORNE ON BEHALF OF ROLLING GO PROPERTIES, LLC FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF A 4,400 SQUARE FOOT QUICK, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BUCK WALTER PUD, AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.52 ACRES IDENTIFIED BY THE TAX MAP IN THE NUMBER IN THE AGENDA, AND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BUCKWALTER PLACE BOULEVARD AND INNOVATION DRIVE WITHIN THE BUCKWALTER PLACE MASTER PLAN, MR. FRAZIER.
OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION FOR CULVER'S AT BLUFFTON.
UH, A REQUEST BY WILLIAM HEINZ OF KIMLEY HORN.
FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A SINGLE STORY, 4,400 SQUARE FOOT QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH ASSOCIATED INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES.
IT IS ON A 1.52 ACRE PROPERTIES ZONE P BUCKWALTER, PUD, LOCATED WITHIN THE BUCKWALTER PLACE MASTER PLAN, AND SPECIFICALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF BUCKWALTER PLACE BOULEVARD AT INNOVATION DRIVE.
NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
IT IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BUCK WALTER PLACE AND INNOVATION DRIVE RIGHT AT THE ROUNDABOUT WITHIN BUCK WALTER PLACE.
UH, NEXT SLIDE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SAME LOCATION, UH, JUST SOUTH OF IT IS THE PUCK.
GOLF TO ITS WEST IS A HEALTH FACILITY.
TO THE NORTH IS A PARK, AND TO THE EAST IS THE PARKING LOT FOR THE GROCERY STORE.
UH, THE SITE PLAN PROVIDES 63 PARKING SPACES WITH 61 ONSITE PARKING SPACES, AND I'LL SHOW THAT IN THE SLIDE COMING UP.
UH, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES TWO OFFSITE ADJACENT PARKING SPACES.
UH, THERE, THERE IS, UH, QUEUING SPACES AS WELL AS ORDER WAITING SPACES THAT I WILL POINT OUT THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PARKING SPACE.
UH, STAFF COMMENTS ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE REVIEWED IN NOVEMBER AT THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE APPLICANT RESUBMITTED ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2024.
THIS IS THE BUCKWALTER MASTER PLAN, BUCKWALTER POLICE MASTER PLAN.
I'M SORRY, TO, TO THE LEFT IS THE WHOLE PLAN.
TO THE RIGHT IS A CLOSEUP OF THE LOCATION.
THE, UH, PROPERTY IS WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO CS IN, IN, IN THE BUILDING.
UM, STAFF CONSIDERS THE LAYOUT HERE TO BE, UM, CONFORMING WITH WHAT, WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT WITH HOW DEVELOPMENT PLANS HAVE COME IN WITH THIS MASTER PLAN FOR THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE BUCKWALTER PLACE MASTER PLAN, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
WE ALSO HAVE UTILITY PLAN AND DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WE CAN, THAT ARE NOT A PART OF THESE SLIDES, BUT WE CAN BRING THEM UP IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT 'EM.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CLOSEUP.
UM, I MENTIONED QUEUING ALREADY.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 18 QUEUING SPACES PRIOR TO THE PAY WINDOW.
FOLLOWING THE PAY WINDOW IS AN ADDITIONAL 10.
WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT REFERS TO AS ORDER WAITING SPACES.
THEIR NARRATIVE POINTS OUT THAT THIS IS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, DESCRIBE THAT IN FURTHER DETAIL.
UH, WITHIN THE, THE PARKING AREA FOR IN DINING AND EMPLOYEES, WE, WE'VE GOT 61 SPACES ON SITE, UM, TO YOUR LOWER LEFT OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE SITE PLAN.
THERE ARE TWO ON STREET PA PLACES ON INNOVATION DRIVE.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THAT, THAT ARE BASICALLY TO, TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, WITH THEIR ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL, THEY HAD, THEIR DUMPSTER WAS ACTUALLY BEING, IT, IT SITS SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.
IT WAS ACTUALLY ORIENTED SO THAT THE GARBAGE TRUCK WOULD ACCESS IT FROM THE PARKING AISLE.
THAT WOULD BE THE SAME PARKING AISLE OFF OF INNOVATION DRIVE THAT WOULD GET YOU OVER TO THE GROCERY STORE.
AND, AND, UM, AN ADDITIONAL LEASEABLE SPACE.
WE HAD ASKED THAT THEY RELOCATE
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THE PARKING OR, OR THE DUMPSTER.WHAT THEY DID IS THEY REORIENTED IT.
THEY, THEY INCLUDED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT, THAT, UH, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE GARBAGE TRUCKS WOULD CONFLICT WITH QUEUING CARS, BUT THEY SAID THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, GARBAGE TRUCK PICKUP WOULD BE COORDINATED SO THAT IT IS NOT DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
IT ALSO PROVIDES A SHORTER DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING TO THE, TO THE DUMPSTER FOR EMPLOYEES.
UM, WE HAD, UH, SUGGESTED THAT IT BE IN, IN, WHAT IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER? THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY, THEY'VE GOT STORM WATER DETENTION PROPOSED FOR THAT AREA.
THEY ALSO HAVE STORM WATER DETENTION PROPOSED, UH, TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF THE PATIO.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE PATIO, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THE BUILDING IN THAT AREA, THERE IS, UH, IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING A ADDITIONAL, UM, STORMWATER FACILITY WHEN THEY COME IN WITH A FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, UH, A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
YOU'RE NOT, UM, UH, REVIEWING IT FOR APPROVAL.
BUT WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE, WE WILL ASK THAT THE LAND LANDSCAPE PLAN PROVIDES LANDSCAPE SCREENING TO HELP, UH, HIDE THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S CALLED THE, UH, ORDER WAITING PARKING SPACES THAT, THAT ARE, ARE SITTING THERE AFTER THE PAY.
UM, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, PLAN ADMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UDO IN ASSESSING THE APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THESE ARE THE REVIEW CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTION.
YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CONDITIONS, TABLE THE APPLICATION, OR DENY THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TOWN STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION THREE TEN THREE A OF THE UDOR MET AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION THERE.
UM, WE CAN, FOLLOWING SLIDE IS A QUESTION SLIDE.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE APPLICANT IS, IS, UH, IS AVAILABLE TO, TO PROVIDE ANYTHING THAT YOU AN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, COMMISSION, LET'S GO AHEAD.
IF YOU'RE ALL OKAY WITH IT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, I AM VERY CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A CULVER'S THAT WILL ALSO HAVE FROZEN CUSTARD.
SO, HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
I'M WITH KIMLEY HORN, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I'M GONNA KICK IT OVER TO FRED COLES, UM, AND TOM Z TOOL.
UH, AND LET THEM KIND OF INTRODUCE CULVER'S AND, AND THEY'LL BE KIND OF THE OWNERS OF, OF THIS ONE HERE.
UM, BEEN WITH CULVER'S FOR 23 YEARS, SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, BASICALLY EBONY, WE'VE EVER BEEN TO A CULVER'S.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY, WE'RE FAST CASUAL.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FAST FOOD, BUT WE LIKE TO THINK WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT.
WE TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE COOK TO ORDER.
I KNOW THAT'S THE BIGGEST TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE.
SO I'LL KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU WAIT IN LINE, YOU GET TO THE SPEAKER, UM, WE TAKE YOUR ORDER.
WE HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, SO WE'RE WORKING THAT ALL THE TIME ON THE, IT'LL ALWAYS BE ON, UM, YOU GET TO THE WINDOW, OUR GOAL AND GETTING YOU FROM THAT SPEAKER TO THE WINDOW IS UNDER 50 SECONDS.
SO, UM, GENERALLY WE DO PRETTY WELL AT THAT.
UM, AND THEN YOU PAY AT THE WINDOW, AND THEN WE ASK YOU TO PULL FORWARD.
AND SO YOU BASICALLY PULL ALL THE WAY FORWARD.
UM, AND IF PEOPLE GET THEIR FOOD AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY PULLS FORWARD AND KIND OF FOLLOW SUIT.
THEY DON'T JUST STAY IN THEIR SPOT.
UM, AND WE HAVE SIGNAGE AND STUFF THAT SAYS, PLEASE PULL FORWARD.
AND WE ALSO, OUR RUNNERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING FOOD OUT TELL YOU WILL WALK UP TO CARS AND BE LIKE, HEY, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING FORWARD SO EVERYBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET OUT OF THE WINDOW THERE? UM, AND THIS WHOLE PROCESS FROM TAKING YOUR ORDER TO GETTING YOUR FOOD, THE GOAL IS FIVE MINUTES.
UM, WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MEETING THAT GOAL.
UM, CULVER'S AS A SYSTEM DOES A GOOD JOB.
UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE DRIVE THROUGH IN A NUTSHELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SITTING THERE FOREVER.
UM, IT'S NOT, WE DON'T BACK UP LIKE CRAZY.
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IT'S, IT'S A VERY FAST, EFFICIENT PROCESS.SO, UM, AND THEN JUST CULVER'S IN GENERAL, WE'RE MORE OF A, LIKE, WE WANNA BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE NOT JUST LIKE A RESTAURANT THAT, OH, WE WE'RE GOING TO CULVER'S OR WHATEVER.
WE HOLD FUNDRAISERS ALL THE TIME.
UM, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, THIS YEAR ALONE, OR LAST YEAR, UH, I THINK WE ROLLED OUT, I DID 40,000 IN DONATIONS JUST TO, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GROUPS, SCHOOLS, UH, CHURCHES, ALL THAT KINDA, YOU KNOW, JUST SMALL GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR GOAL.
WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO COME IN HERE AND BE JUST ANOTHER RESTAURANT.
WE'RE COMING IN TO BE PART OF BLUFFTON, YOU KNOW, AND FOR PEOPLE TO BE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE LOVE CULVER'S.
LIKE, THEY'RE REALLY NICE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE ARE.
UM, I'LL LET TOM INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND HE MIGHT HAVE SOME STUFF TO SAY.
I'M WITH CULVER'S FOR 20 YEARS.
UH, MYSELF, I'LL BE RELOCATING FROM WISCONSIN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOUTH CAROLINA BLUFFTON AREA.
UH, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE QUICK SERVICE HOSPITALITY.
THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE THING IS, UM, YOU'RE MORE THAN CUSTOMERS.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO BE, BE THERE FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU WANNA BE THE PLACE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO COME TO
BUT WE'LL BE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, WHAT, WHATEVER YOU GOT, WE SHOULD, HOPEFULLY WE CAN ANSWER ANYTHING ON THAT.
AND IF IT'S DESIGN RELATED, IT'S ALL WILLIAM
ARE Y'ALL UP IN WISCONSIN RIGHT NOW? YES.
CAN YOU TAKE THE SNOW BACK THAT WE JUST GOT? WE'RE TRYING.
UM, OKAY, WELL LET'S DO THIS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GO AROUND THE ROOM LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.
I'M JUST GOING BY THE WAY, THE CAMERAS HAD REORIENTED THEMSELVES.
UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION, WHICH IS, SINCE WE HAVE, YOU GUYS NEED THE EXTRA PARKING, IT SOUNDED LIKE FOR THE QUEUING, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR AFTER YOU GET YOUR ORDER, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THAT EXTRA PARKING BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE PERVIOUS? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE COULD LOOK INTO.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A CONCERN FROM THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION.
I THINK JUST FROM READING THE, UM, REPORT THAT WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL REVIEW, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY HAD ASKED Y'ALL TO REMOVE THE EXTRA SPACES.
THEN YOU CLARIFIED THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED FOR YOUR BUSINESS MODEL.
SO I THINK WE'RE, AT LEAST I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I JUST WOULD LOVE TO SEE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WATERSHED AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF WE COULD GET THOSE TO BE, UM, PERVIOUS WOULD BE EXCELLENT, OR AT LEAST 50%.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UH, Y'ALL MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW DOWN HERE, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WE TRY AND KEEP THE RUNOFF FROM HITTING THE LOCAL RIVERS BECAUSE THERE'S SALT WATER AND, UM, IT CAN RUIN OYSTERS, IT CAN RUIN OTHER THINGS.
AND BY ADDING PERVIOUS PARKING, THAT HELPS WITH THE RUNOFF.
SO IF IT'S NOT THE DRIVE THROUGH SPOTS, BECAUSE THOSE MIGHT BE MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED, UH, MAYBE IT'S SOME OF THE SPOTS IN THE LOT.
UM, UP NEXT, DAN, YOU'RE UP NEXT.
UH, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REALLY AT THIS TIME.
UM, MR. COMMISSIONER BROCK, YOU'RE UP NEXT.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH LYDIA'S, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE PERVIOUS, UH, PARKING.
THERE'S A LOT IN THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE TO HAVE, UM, PERVIOUS PARKING.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS, UM, THE COMMENT THAT CHARLOTTE MADE ABOUT, I'M SORRY, NOT CHARLOTTE, THAT DAN MADE ABOUT SCREENING AND LANDSCAPE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A, IT'S A CORNER LOT AND THERE'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF PARKING, A LOT OF DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT THERE ON BOTH THE, THE DRIVEWAY AISLES AND INNOVATION DRIVE AND BUCK WALTER BOULEVARD.
UM, LANDSCAPING IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TO, TO ME, UM, IN, IN VIEWING THIS.
OBVIOUSLY DAN MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT IT AS WELL.
SO, UM, WHEN WE SEE THIS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS HAVE FOCUSED ON AS WELL.
UM, RICH DELCO, UM, COMMISSIONER DEPAW STOLE MY THING.
I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME MORE PERFECT SPARKING THERE.
SO SUPPORT HER, HER SUGGESTION.
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AND SAME WITH COMMISSIONER BROCK.DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME LANDSCAPING IN THAT CORNER.
AND I WILL ALSO FOURTH FOR THAT ONE.
I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ANYTIME WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THAT, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING WE CAN DO FOR THE TOWN.
AND TO, UM, TO ADD TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND, UM, DO LOOK AT, UH, WITH STAFF AT, UH, HEAVY VEGETATION ON THAT CIRCLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK NICE, MAKE IT LOOK NICE, UH, WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP, UM, AS I WOULD, UH, MYSELF AND A COUPLE OTHERS, WERE LOOKING AT IT, UM, TO THE, AND I DON'T KNOW, DAN, IF YOU CAN SHOW THIS OR NOT WITH A MOUSE POINTER, BUT THERE'S A CROSSWALK, IF YOU WERE TO COME OUT, HOW THE BUILDING'S ORIENTED, UH, KIND OF TOWARDS THE HARDWARE STORE, STORE AND TAKE A LEFT, THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE THAT CROSSES OVER TO WHERE THE, UM, MINI GOLF HAS BEEN BUILT, THAT CROSSWALK.
UM, I, LOOK, I KNOW THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I'M BRINGING IT UP.
THAT CROSSWALK, THERE IS SO MUCH TRAFFIC THAT GOES THERE.
UM, LOOK AT GETTING WITH THE, UM, UM, THE POA, UH, THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S YOU GUYS PUTTING IT IN THEM OR COMBINATION, UM, BUT REALLY SOME SIGNAGE AND A BETTER PR PAINTED CROSSWALK, BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, REALLY, BETWEEN THE BOWLING ALLEY, THE MINI GOLF, AND YOUR, UH, RESTAURANT.
UM, I, I WOULD BE LYING IF I DIDN'T TELL YOU I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND WITH, UH, SOMETHING OF THIS VOLUME BEING PUT INTERIOR TO A DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO EXTERIOR.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION WITH THIS.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ANY, ANYBODY, UH, WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CULVER'S BLUFF AND PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
AND LET ME GET MY AGENDA BACK UP.
ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER OR STAFF? PLEASE? EVERYBODY STAY SAFE OUT THERE, UM, AS WE TRY AND WAIT THIS OUT TO MELT SO WE CAN GET BACK TO WORK.
UM, AND, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SOMEBODY SAID IT.