Jan 08, 2025 County Council Meeting Workshop

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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. I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FROM WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AGAIN, THIS MORNING.

[3. STATEMENT OF ADHERENCE TO SOUTH CAROLINA FOIA]

[4. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

WITHOUT OBJECTION WE WILL APPROVE THE AGENDA. JUST HAVE A FEW BRIEF REMARKS

[5. REMARKS FROM CHAIR ALICE HOWARD AND VICE-CHAIR ANNA MARIA TABERNIK]

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE HERE FOR BEING AT OUR FIRST WORKSHOP OF 2025.

THE FOCUS IS THE TRAINING BY MR. JOHN DELOACH OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTICIPATION AND QUESTIONS BY THE COUNCIL LATER THE MEETING. WE WILL HAVE A SHORT BREAK AFTER HIS PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION WITH QUESTIONS COUNCIL MEMBERS OF HIM AND THEN WE WILL DO FURTHER WORK AND DISCUSSION ON THE MECHANICS AND ADMINISTRATION OF BEAUFORT COUNTY'S NEW YEAR.

MR. IVANEK DO, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE START? WELL ONE THING I WOULD I'LL REITERATE WHAT I SAID WHEN I WAS ELECTED. WE HAD A COUPLE OF CHALLENGING YEARS. IT WAS MY FIRST TWO ON COUNCIL BUT I WANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE DID A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. OUR CHAIR LED US THROUGH THE TOUGH TIMES BUT I JUST WANT TO RECALL SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS WE DID BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY DOESN'T MAKE THE NEWSPAPER ONLY THE CHALLENGES MAKE IT. SO FOR ONE WE HIRED A NEW ADMINISTRATOR AFTER A THOROUGH VETTING. HE ROSE TO THE TOP AND HE'S BEEN WORKING HARD HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING. WE DID A THOROUGH BUDGET PROCESS, DRAGGED ON FOR TIMES.

MR.. SORRY IT WAS LED. YES.

MR.. ROBINSON LET US THROUGH THAT AND DENNIS WAS HERE WE VETTED OUR REQUESTS AND WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE MILLAGE THE SAME. WE DID A THOROUGH A REVIEW OF OUR CODE IN LINE WITH SOUTH CAROLINA CODE THE IMPLEMENTATION AND WE CEDED A FULL COMMITTEE AND I THINK THEY A THOROUGH OBJECTIVE JOB. WE DID OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, DID CHECK WITH COUNCIL WE DID FOR THEM. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT WERE WELL RECEIVED AND I THOUGHT THEY WENT WELL. I'M USED TO CHARTS SO THAT WAS FINE. WE ALSO DID THE REFERENDUM MEETINGS TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY SO THOSE WERE THAT'S OUR OUTREACH. WE KICKED OFF AND IMPLEMENTED THE GREENSPACE PENNY SO COMMITTEE WAS SEATED. MISS HOWARD SAID SHE'S VICE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE AND WE HAD TWO MAJOR YOU KNOW THINGS WE BOUGHT THAT WAS GREGORY NECK WHICH WAS WELL RECEIVED AND MITCHELL VILLE WHICH RECEIVED. WE IMPLEMENTED SOME CAPITAL PROJECTS I DIDN'T THEM ALL BUT SOME OF THEM WERE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR WORKSPACE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THINGS ARE BETTER FOR THEM. SOME WERE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PASSIVE PARKS AND OTHER RECREATIONAL SPACES. WE ATTENDED RIBBON CUTTINGS ARE ALWAYS FUN. OUR EMERGING LEADERS PROGRAM THANKS JARED AND SOME OF THE OTHERS WAS RECOGNIZED AS CAC A GREAT PROGRAM AND I'M SO GLAD WE CAN SUPPORT IT.

MANY OF US PARTICIPATED IN CLASSES AT SCC SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.

I HAVE TO STOP USING ALL THE BUT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S LISTENING WE WENT TO CLASSES AS JOE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE BOARD THERE HE'S A REPRESENTATIVE.

WE TALKED IN COMMITTEES AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT WAY FOR NEW PEOPLE LEARN AND VETERANS TO MEET WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND WE INCREASED OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES AND ADJACENT COUNTIES SO I DON'T WANT US TO FORGET THE GOOD THINGS WE DID AND. THERE ARE ALWAYS GOOD THINGS AND WHEN WE TALKED TO REPORTERS I HIGHLIGHTED HOW ABOUT ONCE IN A WHILE TALK ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T SELL NEWSPAPER. I GET IT.

I GOT IT. BUT THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS WE DO A LOT OF THEM AND I WANT US TO RECOGNIZE THAT. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO TWO YEARS OF DOING SOME GOOD THINGS. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO MR. JOHN DELOACH AT THE END OF THIS MEETING NOW WE'LL DO A ROUND ROBIN WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO SHARE BRIEFLY ANY FROM THEIR DISTRICT BECAUSE SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED SINCE 2024 BELIEVE IT OR NOT OR IN ARE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND NEXT

[6. PRESENTATION FROM JOHN DELOACH, SOUTH CAROLINA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES]

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THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

WELL, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M GLAD YOU ALL ASKED ME TO BE HERE. I DON'T THINK I'VE DONE A FULL COUNCIL RETREAT FOR YOU SINCE 2018, I THINK. LOOKING BACK AT MY RECORDS, I THINK THAT LAST TIME I CAME DOWN HERE TO DO I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF SESSIONS FOR YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION BUT I'M GLAD TO COME BACK. I THINK SARAH PUT A FOLDER IN FRONT OF EACH OF YOU SO EVERYTHING I TALKED ABOUT IS GOING TO BE IN A COPY OF THE SLIDES IF YOU WANT TO TAKE NOTES. I ALSO TOOK THE HOME RULE STATUTE AND KIND OF DISTILL DOWN WHAT'S IMPORTANT OF TOOK AWAY SOME OF THE EXTRANEOUS LEGALESE THAT'S IN THE CODE AND SHORTENED IT DOWN TO 19 PAGES FOR YOU. SO IF YOU EVER WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S IN IT YOU JUST AT THAT RULE VERY QUICKLY. BUT WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORNING IS BASICALLY IN A COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHAT ARE THE ROLES OF DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WHETHER IT'S COUNTY COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR, COUNTY EMPLOYEES, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STATUTORY AUTHORITIES AND THERE ARE CERTAIN PROHIBITIONS THAT EACH OF THEM HAVE.

SO LET'S MOVE ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHAT DO WE MEAN BECAUSE THERE ARE BASICALLY FOUR LEGAL FORMS OF GOVERNMENT IN SOUTH.

THERE IS THE COUNCIL FORM WHICH THERE ARE ONLY COUNTIES THAT HAVE THAT.

THERE'S THE COUNCIL SUPERVISOR THAT THREE COUNTIES FOLLOW. THEN THERE'S THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR WHICH YOU HAVE ADOPTED THAT IS BY FAR THE MOST PREVALENT.

THERE ARE 36 OF THE 46 COUNTIES THAT ARE IN THE COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND THEN FINALLY THERE'S THE COUNCIL MANAGER FORM. THERE ARE ONLY TWO COUNTIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA THAT ARE COUNCIL ADMIN MANAGER FORMS. IT IS VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS A COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR EXCEPT THAT IN A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF .

COUNTY COUNCIL CAN BY ORDINANCE DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT THE AUDITOR AND TREASURER APPOINTED AS COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAN ELECTED OFFICIALS OTHERWISE BOTH THE AUDITOR AND THE TREASURER ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS . THE SOUTH CAROLINA CODE .

THERE WAS A FIFTH FORM OF GOVERNMENT CALLED THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHEN THEY ENACTED THE HOME RULE ACT IN 1975.

HOWEVER, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THAT WAS CHALLENGED AND THE SOUTH CAROLINA SUPREME COURT RULED THAT UNCONSTITUTIONAL 1976. SO THE ONE COUNTY I THINK THERE WERE ONE OR TWO COUNTIES THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAD NAMED AS THE BORDER COMMISSION OR FORMS THEY HAD TO ADOPT ONE OR THE OTHER FOUR AT THAT POINT. THIS IS JUST A MAP OF SOUTH CAROLINA OF ALL THE COUNTIES SHOWING WHO IS WHAT FORM YOU'LL SEE THAT KIND OF PURPLE COLOR THAT ARE ALL THOSE ARE ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATOR FORM OF GOVERNMENTS.

ALL OF THOSE TWO RED COUNTIES, THOSE CHESTER AND SALUDA THOSE ARE COUNTIES THAT WERE FORMED EARLY. A COUNTY COUNCIL SUPERVISOR IN IN TO CHESTER AND THEN A COUNCILMAN AND GOVERNMENT IN SALUDA. BOTH OF THOSE WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS PASSED THE VOTER REFERENDUMS TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT FROM SUPERVISOR AND COUNCIL TO COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IN THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT. WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS JUST AS YOU HAVE IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND IN MOST STATES YOU HAVE A DIVISION BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ELECTED WHICH IS YOU YOU ARE INVESTED WITH OF THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY FOR THE COUNTY.

YOU HAVE ALL OF THE AUTHORITY THAT'S WITHIN THE HOME RULE ACT AND WITHIN VARIOUS OTHER

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ANSWER THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENT HEADS THE ADMINISTRATOR ADMINISTRATORS THAT HAVE OTHER STATUTORY DUTIES WHICH ARE PROVIDED IN FOR NINE 630 WHICH YOU HAVE IN YOUR KIND OF THE DISTILLED VERSION OF THE HOME RULE ACT THOSE ARE ALL OF THE STATUTORY DUTIES THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR HAS. SO WHAT ARE THOSE DUTIES BASICALLY BEYOND SERVING AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD OF THE OF COUNTY? THEY EXECUTE ALL OF THE THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVES AND ORDINANCES YOU AS COUNSEL ENACT ARE AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATOR DIRECTS THE OPERATIONAL AGENCIES OF THE COUNTY THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE CREATED BY OTHER STATUTES YOUR TREASURER, YOUR AUDITOR, YOUR SHERIFF.

ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE CREATED BY OTHER AREAS SOUTH CAROLINA LAW AND VERY IMPORTANTLY ESPECIALLY IN A COUNTY AS VAST AND COMPLEX AS BEAUFORT, THE ADMINISTRATOR PREPARES THE ANNUAL MONTHLY AND ALL OF THE FINANCIAL REPORTS THAT COUNCIL USES WHEN THEY ENACT YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGETS ALL OF THOSE FINANCIAL BUDGETS THAT YOU ADOPT EACH YEAR AGAIN THE ADMINISTRATOR IS THE THE DIRECTOR OF ALL OF THOSE PERSONNEL POLICIES THAT YOU ADOPT UNDER THE THE HOME RULE ACT AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EMPLOYMENT AND DISCHARGE OF PERSONNEL SUBJECT TO THE PERSONNEL PROVISIONS OF THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN THAT DOESN'T ONLY REFERS TO THOSE EMPLOYEES WORK FOR THE COUNTY AND NOT FOR FOR AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SUCH AS THE AUDITOR AND THE TREASURER.

SO WHEN YOU TALK WHAT THE AUTHORITY OF THE ADMINISTRATOR IS YOU NEED TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS YOUR AUTHORITY AS A COUNTY COUNCIL. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT COUNTY COUNCIL THAT MEANS YOU AS A WHOLE. IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE ACTING AS A WHOLE RATHER YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL ALL OF YOUR STATUTORY AUTHORITY GENERALLY COMES FROM TITLE NINE OR CHAPTER NINE OF TITLE FOUR WHICH IS THE HOME RULE ACT.

YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF AUTHORITY. YOU HAVE YOUR GENERAL POLICE POWERS THAT IS A PROVISION IN THE HOME RULE ACT THAT JUST SAYS YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENACT ANY ORDINANCE THAT IS FOR THE GOOD GOVERNMENT HEALTH SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COUNTY AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.

THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY BROAD AUTHORITY. COUNTIES DID NOT HAVE THAT UNTIL 1989. MUNICIPALITIES HAVE HAD HISTORICALLY SINCE THE CREATION OF MUNICIPALITY IN MUNICIPAL LAW UNDER SOUTH CAROLINA LAW EVEN WHEN THEY FIRST PASSED THE HOME RULE ACT IN 1975. COUNTIES ONLY VERY SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORITY THAT WAS PROVIDED IN FOR 930 AND THAT'S THE 17 INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC AUTHORITIES THAT YOU HAVE SUCH AS YOUR ABILITY TO ENACT AD VALOREM PROPERTY TAXES, THINGS DEVELOPING PERSONNEL POLICIES, CREATING YOUR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND OPERATIONAL DIVISIONS OF THE COUNTY.

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YOU'VE GIVEN THOSE GENERAL POLICE POWERS WHICH GAVE YOU MUCH BROADER AUTHORITY.

WHAT THE OTHER REALLY BROAD AUTHORITIES THAT YOU HAVE. IS THAT IN 491 TEN AS A AS A COUNCIL. YOU HAVE THE BROAD AUTHORITY TO PASS WHATEVER RULE OF CONDUCT OR RULE OF BUSINESS IN CONDUCTING BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY THAT YOU DECIDE TO AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH SOUTH CAROLINA LAW. THAT MEANS YOU CAN STRUCTURE YOUR COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO AS LONG AS YOU ARE FOLLOWING THINGS LIKE FOR YOU AND THE MOST IMPORTANTLY THE ETHICS. OTHER THAN THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE AND IMPORTANTLY THE THE COURTS GENERALLY LET YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET BUSINESS DONE AND KIND OF A FEW MINUTES AGO I KIND OF STARTED BY SAYING THAT WHEN I REFER TO COUNTY COUNCIL I REFER TO YOU AS A AND A BODY AS A WHOLE NOT AS INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE COUNCIL EVERYTHING YOU DO YOU HAVE TO DO AS A UNIT FOR A MAJORITY BODY RATHER THAN INDIVIDUALS. AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE A CASE FROM THOUSAND EIGHT REFERRED TO WITH WILSON V PRESTON THAT CAME OUT OF A LONG LINE OF LITIGATION THAT OCCURRED UP IN ANDERSON COUNTY AT THE IN THE EARLY PART OF THE 2000 WHEN MISS WILSON WAS A MEMBER OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND WHEN SHE WAS FIRST ELECTED IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY COUNTY AND WITH A MINORITY REPUBLICAN SECT WITHIN WITHIN THE COUNCIL AND MS. WILSON CAN REPEATEDLY THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR VERY DETAILED FINANCIAL AND SHE ALSO WANTED DETAILS OF LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND THE BILLING STATEMENTS THAT THEIR OUTSIDE WAS MEETING AND A FROM THE FROM THE ATTORNEY ON A NUMBER OF MATTERS THAT WERE ONGOING IN THE COUNTY.

SHE HAD STATED IN OPEN COUNSEL AND TO THE PRESS THAT ONCE SHE GOT THEM IF SHE WASN'T HAPPY WITH ANY OF THOSE SHE WAS TO PUBLICLY DISCLOSE THOSE. WELL, THE ATTORNEYS OBJECTED TO THAT AS DID THE ADMINISTRATOR AND IT EVENTUALLY LED TO THIS WHERE THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT AS AN ENDEAVOR SCHEDULE MS.. WILSON WAS ONLY ENTITLED TO THE KIND DOCUMENTS THAT A ORDINARY CITIZEN WOULD BE ENTITLED UNDER VOLUME AND THAT DID NOT INCLUDE A LOT OF THE DETAILED LEGAL OPINIONS THOSE WERE SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY PRIVILEGE AND THE COURT SAID THE CLIENT WAS COUNTY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND COUNTY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE HAD NOT TO DISCLOSE THOSE BECAUSE OH AND IMPORTANTLY ONLY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE CAN VOTE TO DISCLOSE LEGAL OPINIONS ANYTHING THAT'S ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGED. THOSE ARE A MATTER FOR COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND DISCLOSE ONLY AFTER MAJORITY VOTE. SO AN INDIVIDUAL CANNOT WEIGH IF THAT ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE COUNSEL WAIVE THAT BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

YES OKAY. AND THAT TO BE ALL OF COUNCILORS NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT WOULD TO BE A MAJORITY THAT BUT AGAIN TRYING TO WAIVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IT DANGEROUS? IT'S DANGEROUS.

IT HAS TO HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHT BEFORE. YOU EVER WAIVE AN ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE? SO WHAT IS THE PENALTY FOR SOMEONE THAT RELEASES THAT AGAINST COUNCIL'S WILL OR AGAINST ONLY RELEASES IT BEFORE THERE'S A MAJORITY VOTE TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION. WHAT? READ MY MIND WHAT IS WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PENALTY OR WHAT BE THE PENALTY OR WHAT I MEAN THERE'S NO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT THERE'S A PENALTY CERTAINLY COUNCIL CAN VOTE TO CENSURE AN INDIVIDUAL FOR DISCLOSING THAT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT INDIVIDUAL AN INDIVIDUAL COULD BE HELD

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IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE BECAUSE IF THE IF DISCLOSURE VIOLATED ANOTHER PART OF LAW SUCH AS THERE ARE THINGS LIKE FINANCIAL PRIVACY PROVISIONS IN THE THE CRIMINAL CODES THERE ARE IF YOU DISCLOSING PERSONAL INFORMATION BY CITIZEN THEY WOULD HAVE POTENTIAL RIGHT OF LITIGATION AGAINST THAT INDIVIDUAL BUT FOR YOU THE ETHICS ACT ITSELF DOESN'T PROVIDE THE PROTECTIONS OF THAT SO PART OF THE QUESTION IN THAT CASE WAS THE COSTS OF OUTSIDE ATTORNEY COST OF OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE THE COSTS EITHER AS THAT WAS I MEAN THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ATTORNEY PROOF THE ACTUAL EXPENSES RIGHT THOSE BECAUSE UNDER FOR YOU SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE SHE COULD GOTTEN THOSE AND SHE DID GET THOSE BUT SHE DID NOT GET WAS THE VERY DETAILED OPINIONS OF THE ATTORNEY.

OKAY I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON MY MARK SAID SO YOU SAID IF SOMEBODY DOES RELEASE IT AND WE DON'T WAIVE PRIVILEGE IT COULD BE CENSURE DOES THAT HAVE TO BE IN OUR RULES AS A COUNCIL? I MEAN I WOULD IT'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE PROCESSES IN YOUR RULES IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THAT IS THAT'S JUST AN ACTION OF COUNSEL WE BUT IT'S BEST THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS STEPS THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE WOULDN'T YOU IN YOUR YOUR ROLE SUCH AS WHEN IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO A MEMBER BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE LAST YEAR THE SUPREME COURT DID RULE IN ONE CASE THAT IT IS A LEGITIMATE LEGISLATIVE ACT FOR A COUNCIL TO DISOBEY THEIR MEMBERS INCLUDING REMOVING THEM FROM A MEETING IF THEIR CONDUCT SO UNBECOMING THAT IT MAKES THE MEETING IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE . LUCKILY THAT DID NOT HAPPEN ANYWHERE DOWN HERE THAT OCCURRED IN A TOWN IN THE UPSTATE WHERE THE MAYOR HAD A TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER REMOVED FROM A MEETING AFTER BECOMING VERY BELLIGERENT. THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY BECOMING MORE AND MORE COMMON THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES UNFORTUNATELY BUT YES, THE COURT DOES DID SAY THAT THAT DISCIPLINE A LEGISLATIVE ACT AND YOU CAN REMOVE A MEMBER BUT YOU DO NEED TO HAVE RULES AND PROCESS IS IN PLACE. DO YOU HAVE SAMPLES OF THOSE YOU COULD SHARE? I CAN CREATE SOME YES WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES AND TOWNS HAVE. THE RULES APPLY TO EXECUTIVE SESSION SHARING INFORMATION OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T IN THERE I YOU NEED TO HAVE A CONFIDENTIALITY RULE WITHIN YOUR RULES BECAUSE FOR YOU ITSELF DOES PROVIDE CONFIDENTIALITY WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION, DISCUSS THOSE SEVEN ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE FOUR YEAR STATUTE BUT BUT BEYOND THAT IT DOES NOT PROVIDE A CONFIDENTIALITY. COULD IT BE SIMILAR TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES? HAVE YOU SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE STATEMENT? CAN YOU? YES. OKAY. EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES. AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE HOME RULE ACT SPECIFIC TO THE ADMINISTRATOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE LIMITATIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS IN THAT IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHICH YOU HAVE AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNCIL BEFORE YOU MOVE ON FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF WHO SHOULD BE IN IT OTHER THAN COUNCIL MEMBERS? CLEARLY THE ADMINISTRATOR I THINK IT'S ANYONE THAT COUNCIL TO HAVE IN THAT ROOM. SO IF YOU'RE DISCUSSING IF IT'S

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IT MEANS THAT THAT THAT CAN BE A CLOSED DISCUSSION JUST WITHIN COUNCIL AND WHOEVER THEY NEED IN THERE IS THAT EVERYONE ELSE PRESS INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS NOT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANYTHING I JUST SO MORE LOCAL YES. HMM INTERESTING. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WHENEVER YOU ARE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR A NEW ADMINISTRATOR OR YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ENACTING A NEW CONTRACT, YOU REALLY SHOULD ESTABLISH CLEAR GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS AS AS YOU AS COUNCIL WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR IT'S ESTABLISHING PROCEDURES FOR COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO RECEIVE INFORMATION AS WITHOUT UNDUE INFLUENCE ON COUNTY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT THERE SHOULD BE REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS AND PLANNING THAT GOES ON BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNCIL COUNCIL AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT LAST THAT LAST SLIDE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT THERE IS A PART OF THE STATUTE THAT LIMITS AND PROHIBITS WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A COUNCIL OR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN IT COMES COUNTY OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES THAT STATUTE WHICH IS 496 SO SAYS EXCEPT FOR THE PURPOSES OF INQUIRIES AND INVESTIGATIONS THE COUNCIL SHALL DEAL WITH COUNTY OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SUBJECT THE DIRECTION AND SUPERVISION OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SOLELY THE ADMINISTRATOR AND NEITHER THE COUNCIL NOR ITS MEMBERS SHALL GIVE ORDERS OR INSTRUCTIONS TO ANY SUCH OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES . ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT THE THE EMPLOYEES THAT COME TO WORK HERE EVERY DAY THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE ULTIMATE PERSON THAT THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT GIVES THEM THEIR INSTRUCTIONS, GIVES THEM THEIR THEIR DAILY TASKS AND THAT SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATOR.

THEY CAN'T DIVIDE THEIR LOYALTY BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR AND NINE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNT MEMBERS OR COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING DONE COUNCIL THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE SHOULD LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL POLICIES IN GENERAL AND CHANGE THOSE AS NECESSARY. BUT IF YOU HAD INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE GIVING OR INSTRUCTIONS TO COUNTY EMPLOYEES IT COULD CREATE NOT ONLY THAT DIVIDED LOYALTY IT CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO THE ALLEGATIONS OF A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT AND UNDER STATE AND FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT LAW THOSE COULD BE TIME CONSUMING AND VERY EXPENSIVE IN

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THERE'S NEEDS TO BE CLEAR AND I THINK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB AT MAKING IT CLEAR TO US NOW BUT IN THE PAST MAYBE NOT SO MUCH AN EMAIL IS THE SAME AS CALLING AND MY MIND IS SOMEBODY UP AND ASKING THEM TO DO SOMETHING. YES, I THINK YEAH.

SO IN CALLING AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S NOT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR EMAILING INSTRUCTING WOULD CONSIST OF BEING OUTSIDE OUR LINE SO TO SPEAK.

YES YEAH. AND THEN LET LET ME GO BACK TO THAT THE ONE THING IT'S YOU YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE. IT DOES I THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID RECOGNIZE THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN YOU AS COUNCIL YOU NEED INFORMATION FROM COUNTY FROM COUNTY DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER IF THERE ARE CERTAIN POLICIES THAT ARE BEING FOLLOWED OR THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING FOLLOWED BUT THEY'RE NOT WORKING. AND SO YOU AS COUNCIL MAY NEED TO CHANGE THOSE POLICIES IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF CODE OF ORDINANCES WITHIN YOUR PERSONNEL POLICIES OR YOU NEED TO DO AN INVESTIGATION SO ,THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECOGNIZED THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE IS IN THERE. BUT IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THOSE INQUIRIES, TO CONDUCT THAT INVESTIGATION IF YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION YOU NEED TO BE SEEKING THAT THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR OR THE ADMINISTRATOR THEN GETS IT FROM THEIR DEPARTMENTS AND THE EMPLOYEES AND PROVIDES IT TO YOU.

YOU KNOW SOMETHING YOU SAID JUST KIND OF STRUCK ME YOU KNOW IF IF A COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER DIRECT SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING AN EMPLOYEE WITHOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVOLVED YOU SAID IT COULD LEAD TO HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE BUT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THE LOYALTY PART OCCURRED TO ME THE STRESS OF BEING TRIANGLE WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR BUT THE HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES. LIKE A COUPLE OF TIMES ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WILL ASK A QUESTION. I'LL GO TO THE RSA, THE ADMINISTRATOR ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR BUT ALSO COPY MIKE ON IT TOO. SO I'M ASKING BOTH OF THEM HEY YOU KNOW MY CONSTITUENT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BLAH BLAH BLAH IS THAT OKAY SHOULD I JUST GO TO MIKE AND LET HIM GO TO THE ADMINISTRATOR A SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR LIKE I JUST ASKED CHUCK A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAD A QUESTION ABOUT A BUILDING THIS COMES UP A LOT. YEAH SO AM I AM I DOING IT THE WAY NO.

YEAH. SO I'M ASKING YOU. YEAH I THINK IT'S FINE AS LONG AS YOU ARE. I MEAN AT LEAST WORKING AT LEAST YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION RIGHT WITH A COUNTY THE SIZE OF BEAUFORT WHERE YOU HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR AND YOU HAVE SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATORS FOR DEPARTMENTS OR CERTAIN COVERAGE AREAS AS LONG AS YOU ARE WORKING WITH BOTH OF THEM.

I THAT'S FINE BECAUSE IT'S THAT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU NEED TO WORK AS A COUNCIL WORKER THE ADMINISTRATOR DECIDE WHAT KIND OF POLICY YOU WANT WITH THAT WITH WITH SOME OF THE COUNTIES THE SOME OF OUR COUNTIES THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR. YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEALING SOLELY WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR BUT YEAH THAT'S IT'S FINE AS LONG AS YOU'RE RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A POLICY ADMINISTRATOR AND SAY HEY, YOU KNOW WE DO THIS NO I ALWAYS OOH THAT'S THEIR BOSS. YES, HE'S MY KNOW I WORK WITH HIM SO OKAY SO I'M SORRY YOU MADE THAT CLEAR. YOU KNOW YOU GOT ME BACK BACK TO EXECUTIVE I'M THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN EXECUTIVE AND IT IS CONFIDENTIAL.

IT CAN BE REVEALED LEGAL MATTERS, PERSONNEL MATTERS WHAT IS IT WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE TO SAY WHAT WHAT CAN THAT BE? I KNOW IF YOU DO SOMETHING PERSONAL AND YOU KIND OF THROW IT OUT INTO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW YOU MAY BE LIABLE FOR SOME TYPE OF LAWSUIT BECAUSE YOU DID THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHERE DOES IT FALL IN WILL AS ME PERSONALLY OR COUNCIL AS A WHOLE WILL BE SUBJECT TO A LAWSUIT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. WE DO LIKE LEGAL MATTERS. WE DO LANE PURGES, YOU KNOW ALL

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AS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. BECAUSE EVERYTHING EVERYTHING YOU DO AS AN INDIVIDUAL COMES DOWN TO YOU AS WELL. EVERYTHING THE ONLY WAY IT GETS TO THE STANDARD THE LIABILITY OF COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS WHEN COUNCIL AS A WHOLE IS ACTING BECAUSE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT THINK IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT, NOT CONFIDENTIAL CAN BE IT CAN LEAD TO A LOT OF NEGATIVE EFFECTS LATER IF IT'S SAY A A LAND IF YOU'RE DISCUSSING LAND PURCHASE OR A LAND DEVELOPMENT IF IT IS NOT PUBLIC, IF YOU DISCLOSED THAT TO SOMEONE AND THEY ACTED ON IT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LAND THEM AND YOU IN A INSIDER DEALING ISSUE IF THEY ARE GOING TO USE THAT FOR AN ECONOMIC GAIN THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULDN'T HAVE BE THIS.

BUT IT'S SORT OF THE SAME WAY AS IF YOU KIND OF HAD INSIDER INFORMATION ON A COMPANY AND YOU TOLD SOMEONE AND THEY THEN BOUGHT THEIR BOUGHT OR SOLD THEIR STOCK AND THAT STOCK PRICE WENT UP OR DOWN THAT IS CALLED INSIDER TRADING. IT COULD BE THE SAME POTENTIAL THING THERE IF IT IS A LEGAL ISSUE IF YOU DISCLOSE THAT INDIVIDUALLY YOU COULD BE WAIVING ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE WHERE YOU HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DO THAT IF IT'S OTHER CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ESPECIALLY IF IT'S EMPLOYMENT RELATED THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS THE SUBJECT THAT EMPLOYMENT DECISION COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A CIVIL CASE AGAINST YOU FOR DISCLOSURE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION IN VIOLATION OF PERSONAL PRIVACY PROTECTION ACT AND IF IT AND GOD KNOWS IF IT EVER INVOLVED A HEALTH RELATED ISSUE NOT ONLY WOULD THEY HAVE THE PRIVACY ACT THEY WOULD HAVE THE FEDERAL HIPA ACT TO GO AFTER YOU WITH.

SO AS AN INDIVIDUAL I WOULD SAY IT IS ALMOST OKAY TO DISCLOSE SOMETHING THAT IS DISCUSSED OR IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION WITHOUT THE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF COUNSEL AND THAT YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY SAYS IT'S OKAY TO DISCLOSE IT IT MAYBE TO HELP WITH THAT CAN YOU REVIEW THE TOPICS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION MAYBE THAT WOULD PIGGYBACK ON MR. GLOVER'S BUT GENERALLY WITH WITH COUNTY COUNCIL THAT'S GOING TO BE MOST IT'S GOING TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS THAT HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN FINALIZED AND NO CONTRACTS SIGNED A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT I WOULD HAVE A PROJECT NAME I WOULD REFER IT TO A LOT OF TIMES THE OF COMMERCE WHEN I WAS THERE FOR THREE YEARS WE LOVED PROJECT AND WE USED TO JUST SPEND HOURS COMING UP WITH THE PERFECT PROJECT NAME YEAH I READ THOSE. WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEALS IN SOUTH CAROLINA HISTORY UNTIL THE POINT OUT UNTIL WELL AFTER I LEFT WAS SOMETHING CALLED PROJECT GREYSTONE AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I GOT THAT NAME IS THAT THE COMPANIES YOU SEE A CEO HIS LOVED THE GREYSTONE INN AND SO WE THEM STILL WON'T TELL YOU THE NAME OF THAT PROJECT EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN 30 PLUS YEARS THEY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES PERSONNEL ISSUES PERSONNEL ISSUES ARE ALWAYS A AN INTERESTING SUBJECT BECAUSE THE COURT ALWAYS SAYS YOU CAN'T JUST SAY GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTER YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE

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SO BESIDES ECONOMIC PERSONNEL, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THE DISCUSSION OF TRADE SECRETS OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT LEGAL ISSUES TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DO THAT AND AT THE LEAST LEVEL IF YOU IF IT IS A SUIT THAT'S BEEN FILED REFER TO THE GENERAL SESSIONS OF COMMON PLEAS DOCKET NUMBER OF THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO NAME THE INDIVIDUAL BUT I WOULD AT LEAST REFER TO THE DOCKET NUMBER SO THAT AT LEAST THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT THIS IS AN ACTIVE CASE THAT YOU'RE GOING IN TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE OR IF IS A POTENTIAL CASE I WOULD SAY A POTENTIAL LITIGATION ISSUE ON RELATED TO SAY IF IT'S IF IT WAS INVOLVING THE A WRECK IN OR A FALL ON YOUR FRONT STEPS BECAUSE OF I'LL REFER TO IT AS A POTENTIAL SLIP AND FALL CLAIM SO I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT THE OTHER ARE BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM YOU DON'T PARTICULARLY SEE TOO OFTEN BUT EMPLOYMENT AND, EMPLOYMENT AND LEGAL ARE THE BIGGEST REASONS MOST COUNTIES GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO YES, I WANT TO GO BACK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US IS SO IF WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND FOR WHATEVER THOSE REASONS ARE WHETHER IT'S IT'S LEGAL, WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY OR WHETHER IT'S NOT DEVELOPMENT AND SOMEONE CHOOSES TO DISCLOSE THAT INFORMATION.

SO WE AS A COUNCIL IF WE FIND OUT WHO THAT IS CAN CENSOR THEM.

YEP. AND WE CAN DO THAT WHETHER IT'S IN OUR RULES OR NOT BUT IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN OUR RULES. YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MORALLY ANY OF US COULD FILE A ETHICS CLAIM AGAINST THAT PERSON WITH WITH Y'ALL IF WE WANT IT TO. BUT TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN WHAT WHAT PENALTIES HAS I THAT'S WHAT I USED BEFORE BUT WHAT WHAT ELSE THERE BESIDES JUST ME MORALLY SAYING OH YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO GO TO THE PRESS AND EXPOSE THIS BESIDES JUST BEING A MORAL ISSUE FOR ME WHAT WHAT ELSE THERE? YEAH. COUNSEL WISE THERE'S NOT MUCH OTHER THAN JUST A CENSURE AND YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL IF UNLESS YOU'RE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS DISCLOSED YOU INDIVIDUALLY COULDN'T FILE A LEGAL COMPLAINT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE INDIVIDUAL RELATED THE INFORMATION THAT WAS DISCLOSED NOW IF IT WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEAL THAT THEY PUBLICLY DISCLOSED THAT SOMEHOW GOT OUT WELL BEFORE DECISIONS WERE MADE IT COULD RESULT IN THAT MOVING ON TO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY REALLY TO GET AROUND THAT OR TO PUNISH THAT UNLESS UNLESS VERY CLOSE TO ELECTION TIME AND THE VOTERS DECIDE WITHIN THAT PERSON'S DISTRICT THAT YEAH MAYBE THEY'RE NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE PERSON TO BE IN THAT COUNCIL SEAT.

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BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE LIKE BEAUFORT COUNTY WHERE THE ISLAND PACKET IS PRETTY ACTIVE THEN IT CAN GO IT CAN ACTUALLY CARRIES MORE WEIGHT BECAUSE IT'LL APPEAR IN BRITAIN AND IT HAS HAPPENED I GUESS NOW IT'S 2025 IT'S MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO THERE WAS ANOTHER COUNTY THAT THEY HAD AN ACTIVE NEWSPAPER AND THERE WAS THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL DESPISED EACH OTHER. THEY WOULD ACTIVELY FIGHT THREATEN EACH OTHER IN COUNCIL MEETINGS TO THE POINT WHERE DEPUTIES HAD TO ESCORT PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS TO PROTECT IT TO PROTECT THEM THEIR NEWSPAPER JUST I KNEW WHEN THEIR WHEN THEIR COUNCIL I KNEW I'D BE ABLE TO OPEN THE PAPER THE NEXT DAY AND JUST READ EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON IN THAT MEETING.

AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR THAT THEY WERE ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES THAT THEY DON'T STAGGER THEIR COUNCIL SEATS. THE ENTIRE COUNCIL WAS UP FOR REELECTION THAT YEAR AND ALL BUT ONE MEMBER WAS REPLACED SO NEWSPAPERS STILL HAVE THEIR POWER IN THIS COUNTY.

THEY DO I KNOW I READ THE ISLAND PACKET ALMOST DAILY. SO YOUR QUESTION, MR. GLOVER IS THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPECIFICALLY YOU WERE ASKING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION SO YOU'RE GETTING MORE FULL CLARIFICATION IN MY MIND THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BUT YEAH, BEST PRACTICE IS AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER DON'T DISCLOSE ANYTHING YOU DISCUSS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNTIL IT BECOMES PUBLIC. CAN WE OH I'M SORRY GO AHEAD MR..

THAT AGAIN THE BEST PRACTICE IS YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL SHOULDN'T DISCLOSE ANYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNTIL IT UNTIL IT BECOMES PUBLIC ABOUT THE BEST PRACTICE WHEN SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHAT IN EMAILS NOW IF THEY'RE FROM THE ATTORNEY WE GET IT MARKET CONFIDENTIAL ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE OR WE ASSUME IT'S IT'S ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE WHAT ABOUT DISCLOSING LIKE I DECIDE IN A SPAT WITH AND I WANT TO PUT HER EMAIL TO MY CONSTITUENTS OTHER THAN BEING A GOOD MEMBER OF THE TEAM WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST ON THAT THAT'S UP TO YOU BECAUSE BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IF IT'S JUST TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THEY'RE GOING BACK FORTH NOW I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL SENDING EMAILS TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING OTHER THAN THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU NORMALLY SEND OUT WHEN IT RELATES MEETINGS, AGENDA PACKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE REMEMBER ANYTHING YOU DO IF IT IS A MAJORITY OR A QUORUM OF THIS COUNCIL THAT BECOMES A PUBLIC MEETING IF IT HAS ANY DISCUSSION OF COUNTY BUSINESS SO LET'S LET'S KIND OF GET BACK TO YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ELECTED COUNTY OFFICIALS. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THIS HAPPENS IN ALL 46 COUNTIES AS A COUNCIL YOU ARE STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CERTAIN THINGS TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL THAT YOUR AUDITOR, YOUR TREASURER, YOUR SHERIFF PROBATE JUDGE, ALL OF THOSE YOU HAVE TO AT A MINIMUM PROVIDE THEM OFFICE SPACE THE MATERIALS TO RUN THAT OFFICE AND SUFFICIENT STAFF TO RUN THAT OFFICE AS A COUNCIL YOU CANNOT MODIFY, PROHIBIT OR USURP ANY OF THE STATUTORY DUTIES THAT THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL IS PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THE APPLICABLE SUBSECTION OF THE LAW THAT CREATED THAT

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HOWEVER IN CERTAIN COUNTIES THE SHERIFF HAS TRANSFERRED THAT AUTHORITY OVER TO COUNTY COUNCIL. ONCE THEY DO THAT THEY CAN'T UNILATERALLY TAKE IT BACK.

COUNTY COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE TO GIVE IT UP BECAUSE IT BECOMES A DUTY OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND THAT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE IN A COUPLE OF COUNTIES BUT AND ONCE A AN GIVES OFF FORMALLY AN AUTHORITY IT HAS TO BE TRANSFERRED BACK BY THE SAME BY THE SAME WAY THAT SAME AGREEMENT.

HOWEVER WHENEVER YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR AUTHORITY AND YOUR LIMITATIONS ON ELECTED OFFICIALS YOU AS COUNSEL STILL RETAIN YOUR FULL BUDGETARY AUTHORITY OVER THE COUNTY FINANCES. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR THEIR BUDGET.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM THE MONEY THAT THEY NEED TO RUN THAT OFFICE.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE TO RUN THAT OFFICE. AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU NEED KIND OF THE EXPERT ON HOW TO STRUCTURE THE WORDING OF YOUR BUDGET ORDINANCE AS TO HOW MUCH CONTROL YOU GIVE TO THE ELECTED OR ELECTED OFFICIALS. BECAUSE IF YOU JUST GIVE THEM A POT OF MONEY AND SAID THIS IS YOU THIS IS YOUR PLOT TO RUN YOUR OFFICE THAT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY TO DO WITH THAT MONEY THE WAY THEY WANT. HOWEVER, IF IN YOUR BUDGET THE ORDINANCE YOU SAY YOU HAVE X AMOUNT FOR PERSONNEL, X AMOUNT FOR EQUIPMENT, X AMOUNT FOR OFFICE SPACE THAT'S THAT PUTS A LIMIT ON THAT OFFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT MONEY THE WAY YOUR BUDGET ORDINANCE SAYS YES I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING PROCUREMENT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE IT IS IT COUNTY BY COUNTY THE THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COUNTY'S PROCUREMENT REGULATIONS OR IS IS THERE ANY STATEWIDE STATUTE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES, YES OR NO? OKAY. THE GENERAL THE GENERAL STATE JUST SAYS THAT COUNTIES HAVE TO ADOPT AN APPROPRIATE OR A POLICY FOR PROCUREMENT FOR THE COUNTY. WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS GENERALLY AND IT HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN TESTED BY THE COURTS IS THAT BECAUSE THE STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT PROCUREMENT POLICY FOR THE COUNTY, THAT MEANS THAT YOUR COUNTY OFFICIALS, INCLUDING YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE OUTSIDE ADMINISTRATE AUTHORITY, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW AT LEAST THAT GENERAL POLICY. THAT MEANS YOUR SHERIFF, YOUR AUDITOR YOUR TREASURER GENERAL HAS TO FOLLOW THE COUNTY'S PROCUREMENT POLICY.

GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. AND THEN FINALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETARY AUTHORITY THAT INCLUDES RIGHT TO AUDIT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL ANY APPOINTED OFFICIAL WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY THEN THAT ALSO COMES FROM ANOTHER CASE THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET CALLED BROWN VERSUS BERKELEY COUNTY.

THERE'VE BEEN A LINE OF CASES THAT HAVE SAID THAT YOU AS COUNSEL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AUDIT ANY FUNDS THAT YOU PROVIDE AS PART OF YOUR BUDGETARY AUTHORITY IN YOUR BUDGET ORDINANCES AND INCLUDES WHAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID. THAT INCLUDES THE THE SOLICITOR THOUGH THE SOLICITOR IS ELECTED OVER A CIRCUIT THAN AN INDIVIDUAL COUNTY BUT ONLY TO THE OF THE FUNDS THAT YOU PROVIDE THAT OFFICE IT WOULD NOT FOR EXAMPLE THE COURT SAID

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NO. IF THERE'S SPECIAL PROJECTS THEN YOU IF YOU FUND THAT THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT BE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THIS IS A SPECIAL PROJECT AND THAT'S FINE AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND SUPPOSE YOU FUNDING THE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IN A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT AND THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN ELIMINATE THAT SHOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY REDUCTION AS WELL AND SOMETIMES YOU MAY NOT KNOW HOW HANDLE THAT SORT OF THING AS A COUNTY OFFICIAL WHO AND THAT'S THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP REGULARLY IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVERALL BUDGET APPROPRIATION FOR AN OFFICE THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN REDUCE A BUDGET IF IF WE WENT INTO ANOTHER RECESSION THE WAY THAT WE DID IN THE MID 2000S WHERE WHERE YOU SAW HOME VALUES ALONG THE COAST ESPECIALLY HERE WHERE THEY WENT THEY DROPPED BY HALF THAT MEANS YOUR TAX REVENUE WAS GOING TO DROP BY HALF. YEAH IF YOU HAVE TO IF YOU HAVE TO CREATE OR IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM OF LINE ITEM REDUCTIONS THAT CAN INCLUDE ELECTED OFFICIALS OFFICERS BUT WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINIONS AND THE COURTS HAVE SAID IS THAT YOU CANNOT REDUCE BUDGET BEYOND A LEVEL THAT CAUSES THAT OFFICE NOT TO FUNCTION EFFICIENTLY. BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS ALSO SAID WITH THAT IS IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THAT OFFICIAL TO PROVE TO THE CIRCUIT COURT THAT THE BUDGET HAS BEEN REDUCED TO LOW WHAT THE WHERE THE STATE LAW COMES INTO PROHIBITING REDUCTIONS IS IN THE ACTUAL ELECTED OFFICIAL SALARY IF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TERM SO YOU ELECT A NEW TREASURER THE I0 YOU CAN'T REDUCE THAT BE BELOW $50,000 DURING THAT OFFICIAL'S TERM OF OFFICE FOR THAT FOUR YEARS THAT THEY'RE IN OFFICE YOU CAN INCREASE IT. SO IF YOU INCREASED IT $2,000 EACH BUDGET YEAR YOU CAN THAT YOU JUST CAN'T REDUCE IT DURING THE TERM OF OFFICE YOU ONLY REDUCE THE SALARY OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL DURING A AT START OF THE NEW TERM. OKAY SO WE'VE BEEN I A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN HOUR SO LET'S TALK ABOUT JUST SOME COMMON THAT ARE COMMON TO EVERY COUNTY. OKAY. AS A AS A COUNTY COUNCIL YOU ARE A LEGISLATIVE BODY AND SO YOU HAVE A LEDGER YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE IMMUNITY IN TORT UNDER THE SOUTH CAROLINA FOR CLAIMS ACT AND THAT PROVIDES YOU IMMUNITY LONG AS YOUR ACTIONS ARE IN FURTHERANCE OF THE COURSE AND SCOPE OF YOUR ROLE AS COUNSEL AND DONE AS A BODY AS A WHOLE THAT MEANS IF YOU PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT SOMEONE THEN FILES A LAWSUIT SAYING THAT IT HURT THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY THEY CAN'T SUE YOU AS HAS THE LEGISLATIVE ACT BECAUSE THE ACT IS FOR THE COMMON GOOD NOT FOR AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE IMMUNITY. JUST KNOW THAT LEGISLATIVE NUDITY IS NOT ABSOLUTE.

IT IS A DEFENSE UNDER THE CLAIMS ACT AND IT HAS TO BE PLED.

THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES HOWEVER FOR ACTING OUTSIDE THE COURSE AND SCOPE OF OF YOUR LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY OR YOUR OR YOUR ACTING PERSONALLY OUTSIDE THE COURSE IN SCOPE

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THIS IS WHERE A MEMBER OF COUNTY COUNCIL MADE A LOT OF ABOUT A DEVELOPER OUTSIDE OF COUNTY MEETINGS TO THE PRESS, TO INDIVIDUALS. IT LED TO THE COUNCIL DENYING A DEVELOPMENT REQUEST AND THE DEVELOPER UP SUING NOT ONLY THE COUNTY FOR THE DENIAL OF THE OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUEST BUT ALSO SUED THE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY SAYING THAT WAS NOT PART OF A LEGISLATIVE ACTION, THAT THIS WAS A PERSONAL DEFAMATION THE THAT THAT CASE ENDED UP BEING SETTLED AFTER IT WENT TO THE APPELLATE COURTS.

AND SO I NEVER NEVER FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER INDIVIDUALLY.

BUT THE SUPREME COURT REMANDED IT BACK TO THE CIRCUIT COURT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THOSE ACTIONS WERE WERE LEGISLATIVE OR WERE PERSONAL THERE IS ALSO FEDERAL TORT LAW IMMUNITY FOR LEGISLATIVE BODIES AND THAT IS IN THOSE CASES WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL FILES A 1983 ACTION THAT'S UNDER FEDERAL LAW 28 U.S.C. SECTION 1983 AN INDIVIDUAL CAN FILE A FEDERAL ACTION AGAINST AN INDIVIDUAL FOR A VIOLATION OF A PROTECTED CIVIL OR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT UNDER COLOR OF LAW. AND THAT MEANS YOU ARE NAMED INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN THE COUNTY AND GENERALLY YOU CAN'T COME AFTER COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. THEY HAVE TO GO AN INDIVIDUAL.

IT IS VERY RARE FOR FOR 1983 ACTIONS TO BE FILED AGAINST LEGISLATIVE BODIES MOST OF THE TIME YOU WILL YOU'LL HEAR THEM BEING FILED OTHER OFFICIALS LIKE YOUR SHERIFF FOR EXCESSIVE OF FORCE CASES AGAINST DEPUTIES . THE ISSUE WITH THOSE IS AGAIN NOT ONLY IS IT AN INDIVIDUAL ACTION FILED AGAINST YOU UNLIKE THE TORT CLAIMS ACT WHERE HAVE LIMITATIONS OF AWARDS OF 300,000 FOR A CLAIM AND FOR A TOTAL OF 600,000 FOR AN OCCURRENCE THERE ARE NO LIMITS TO THE AWARD THEN CAN AWARD PUNITIVE DAMAGES.

THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS HEAR IN THE NEWS FOR THESE EXCESSIVE FORCE CASES TEN $2,030 MILLION VERDICTS AGAINST GOVERNMENTAL INDIVIDUALS OR GOVERNMENTAL BODIES.

AND THE LAST THING I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH IS I HAD ONE CASE IN THE HORRY COUNTY CASE DID THE COUNCIL MEMBER MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS TO THE PRESS PUBLICLY OUTSIDE THE VENUE? YES. COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS THERE WERE A COMBINATION OF THERE WERE STATEMENTS MADE DURING COUNTY DURHAM CITY AND COUNTY COUNCIL MEETINGS BUT THEN ALSO STATEMENTS TO INDIVIDUALS IN THE PRESS OUTSIDE OF THE PERSON'S ROLE AS COUNTY COUNCIL. YEAH THEY PROTECTED COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING IF IT'S IN A COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING IN A PUBLIC SESSION UNLESS IT'S DEFAMATORY.

I MEAN IF IT'S THE TRUTH OF COURSE IT'S THEN IT CAN BE PROTECTED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF A LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSION BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S DEFAMATORY THEN COURT COULD VERY WELL SAY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COURSE AND SCOPE OF OF A LEGISLATIVE ACT.

OKAY LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH ONE LAST THING IS UNDER FOR YOU THERE IS NO LEGISLATIVE WORK PRODUCT PROTECTION FOR ANYONE THAN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. SO IF YOU'RE SENDING EMAIL EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS TO YOU FROM YOU TO CONSTITUENT TO YOU TO THE PRESS IF YOU ARE SENDING BACK AND FORTH TO EACH OTHER AND TO THE ADMINISTRATOR, ALL OF THOSE CAN BE REQUESTED BY INDIVIDUALS AND I THINK THOSE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IN THE PAST AND YOU SEE THAT YOU CAN'T DENY DISCLOSURE OF THOSE SO YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF HOW YOU ARE WORDING THINGS IN EMAILS OR

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IT HASN'T BEEN TESTED BUT IT WILL BE SOMEDAY IF YOU'VE GOT SOME IF YOU'VE GOT A PUBLIC OR FOR A PUBLIC BODY USING PERSONAL DEVICES, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS TO REQUEST THAT AND YOU MAY HAVE TO TURN YOUR DEVICE FOR INSPECTION EVEN IF IT CONTAINS PERSONAL INFORMATION IT HAVE TO BE DONE IN-CAMERA BY A JUDGE TO DECIDE WHAT'S PUBLIC AND WHAT'S YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND HAVE A HAS COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN YOU'RE FIRST ELECTED CREATE EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICT THAT CONSTITUENTS CAN CAN THAT YOU CAN USE TO CONDUCT COUNTY BUSINESS DON'T USE YOUR PERSONAL HOW THEY OFFICIAL DEVICE THAT YOU USE RATHER THAN A PERSONAL OKAY SO LET LEAVE YOU WITH A COUPLE OF PUBLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OTHER RESOURCES. YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE HOME RULE HANDBOOK THAT WE DO AND WE HAVE AN ANNUAL UPDATE THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE THE HANDBOOK FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND SOUTH CAROLINA. WE ALSO HAVE THE MODEL RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT MANUAL AND THE ANNUAL UPDATE I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HANDBOOK FOR COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THE MODEL RULES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY EITHER BEING UPDATED CURRENTLY OR WE'RE GETTING READY TO START WITH THE MODEL RULES BECAUSE THE LAST THE LAST UPDATE WE DID TO MODEL RULES 2017 AND I THINK THE HANDBOOK COUNTY WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2013 BUT THE OTHER TWO THE HOME RULE AND THE THE FOR YOUR MANUALS WE HAVE ANNUAL UPDATES THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR AND I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THE FACT THAT THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT WILL BE HELD NEXT FEBRUARY 20TH IN COLUMBIA TO COINCIDE WITH THE COUNTY'S CONNECT LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE ON THE 19TH AND I, I KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL HEARD OR WERE AT THE ORIENTATION FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS I SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO MANAGING CONDUCTING MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY BUT BECAUSE THE UNAVAILABILITY OF THE CO INSTRUCTOR ON THAT WE ARE HOLDING THAT ONE OFF UNTIL THE SUMMER IN CHARLESTON.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE LEVEL ONE LEGAL ISSUES COURSE IN FEBRUARY AND I THINK WE'RE AND INFORMATION ON THOSE ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE OFFERING TWO OR THREE OTHER CLASSES IN THE INSTITUTE ALONG WITH THE LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE ITSELF AND THEN THE NEXT TIME WE'LL BE DOING THE INSTITUTE WILL BE AT THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN THE INSTITUTE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST.

WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND LET'S OPEN IT UP MORE QUESTIONS LAST MINUTE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE I HAVE OKAY. GO AHEAD, COLIN. AND THEN TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION YOU SAID ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS, TRADE SECRETS, LEGAL ISSUES, PERSONNEL ISSUES . YOU DIDN'T MENTION CONTRACTS OR DID YOU MENTION CONTRACTS GET CONTRACTS? YES, YOU DID. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRACTICE ACROSS THE STATE IS AS FAR AS WHEN COUNSEL POINTS TO THE STANDING COMMITTEES SO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITIES ANY OTHER COUNTIES ALLOW MEMBERS NOT AT THE TIME THAT MEETING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION

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THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THANKS. THANK YOU, JOHN.

OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT A TEN MINUTE BREAK. OH, WE'LL MEET IT'S

[7. DISCUSSION OF REVISED FORMAT OF COUNCIL COMMITTEES; AGENCIES, BOARDS, AND COMMISSIONS LIAISONS; AND EXTERNAL LIAISON PREFERENCES.]

WE JUST GOT SOME IDEAS ON ON WAYS TO DO THINGS. IT'S ALSO TIME TO GET YOUR CHOICE VIEWS ON WHAT COMMITTEES THAT YOU WANT TO SERVE ON ONE MAJOR SUGGESTION THAT WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY IS TO I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO AND TAB AND MR. MOORE AND SARAH AND I TALKED IT SPLIT COMMUNITY SERVICES FROM LAND USE AND POSSIBLY REVERT THE NAME OF LAND USE BACK TO NATURAL RESOURCES WHICH WAS HAD BEEN THE NAME OF IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME COMMUNITY SERVICE WAS A SEPARATE COMMITTEE FOR MANY YEARS THAT WOULD MAKE US HAVE FOUR COMMITTEES WITH FOUR CHAIRS AND FOUR VICE CHAIRS PUBLIC PUBLIC FACILITIES FINANCE COMMUNITY SERVICES IN NATURAL RESOURCES AND I'LL JUST LIKE TO HEAR ANY DISCUSSION THAT OR IDEAS I KNOW MANY OF THAT WERE ON COUNCIL REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD A SPLIT THERE'S ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES TO THAT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMMITTEE. OH WHICH ONE PASS OUT? YEAH, WE'LL PASS THIS OUT SO YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE VISUALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHEN THEY WOULD WHEN THEY WOULD MEET MR. MOORE WAS OKAY AND I THINK HIS STAFF HAS BEEN APPRIZED OF POSSIBLE CHANGE SO YOU COME IN THE QUESTION MADAM CHAIR AND THAT IS NATURAL RESOURCES IT WAS LAND USE SO IT WOULD REMAIN I MEAN THE IT'S HAD THE SAME RESPONSIBILITIES JUST CHANGED. THAT'S MY QUESTION. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU THERE IN THE BOOK THERE IN THE BOOK BY THE WAY, THESE WE HAD SARAH AND THESE CAN BE REVISED BUT SHE INCLUDED A DESCRIPTION OF A NATURAL COMMITTEE IS IT THE BLUE TAB PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE MISSION STATEMENT AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES THEY HAVE FINANCE ADMINISTRATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WHAT RESPONSIBILITIES THEY HAVE AND THEN WE USED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WHICH WOULD ONLY MEET ONCE AND THAT WOULD BE FOR REVISIONS OF POLICY IT WOULD BE THE CHAIRMAN'S OF EACH OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE.

SO IT'D BE A IT'D BE A OF FOUR . ANYONE HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS

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MM YEAH WELL I MEAN THAT'S THERE'S DANGEROUS A VERY WELL D DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OR NOT OR WELL I'M JUST SAYING YOU KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THEN YOU BRINGING SIX MEMBERS COUNCIL WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL IN YOUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BLAH BLAH BLAH SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC ANYWAY IT WOULD BE PUBLIC MEETINGS. MM HMM. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE YOU'RE ALONE. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN PARTICULAR ISSUES BUT YOU KNOW AND IT WOULD BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT ALL.

IT WOULDN'T BE AN EXECUTIVE. SO NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT .

I'M JUST NOTING THAT THERE IS A COMMITTEE OF SIX THAT'S ON ALL RIGHT.

IT WOULD BE LARGER A LARGE COMMITTEE BUT IT'S IN PUBLIC SESSION.

IT'S EXECUTIVE SESSION IF IT NEED SOMETHING. YES, SIR.

YOU COULD MAKE YOURSELF LIKE THE OTHER COMMITTEES. YOU WOULDN'T THAT'S TRUE.

IT JUST COULD STILL BE FIVE AND IT'S TRUE. OKAY, I LIKE THAT.

THAT'D BE GOOD. GOOD POINT. BUT IF YOU THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE YOU YOU WANT TO BE THE CHAIR I MEAN THE CHAIR WANT TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT WOULDN'T IT. I THINK BUT I CAN BE EX-OFFICIO ON THE VICE VICE CHAIR COULD BE CHAIR AND ALSO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE BE RUN THE VICE CHAIR I MEAN THAT WAS YOU KNOW IT'S TALKING THROUGH IT'S GOOD QUESTION BUT THAT WOULD WORK AS TO JUST HORRIBLE SUGGESTION OKAY WELL THINK THINK THAT WHEN YOU SAY THE FIRST MONDAY THAT MONTH NOT THE SECOND MONDAY WOULD BE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMITTEE AND THE FIRST NATIONAL RESOURCE NATIONAL FIRST MONDAY RIGHT NOT THE IT BE DURING THE BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING THE SECOND MONDAY LIKE IT IS NOW IT THE PROPOSAL IS THE SECOND THE COMMITTEES MEET THE FIRST AND THIRD MONDAYS AT TWO AND FOUR AND THEN YOU'RE DONE AND COUNCIL MEETS A SECOND AND FOURTH. OKAY SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO OKAY SO WON'T INTERFERE THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT EXECUTIVE BE HELD EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT COMMITTEE BE HELD PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT WAY THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE TO SIT WHILE WE'RE 2 HOURS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THE COUNCIL MEETING WAS STARTED 607 YEAH I WAS TO GET TO THAT THAT WAS LESS WELL I THINK WE'RE DOES ANYONE HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT HAVING FOUR COMMITTEES NOT COUNT AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT OKAY NOW WE ANYTHING ANYTHING NEXT WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT ONLY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS VOTE. IT USED TO BE THAT WAY ON COUNTY COUNCIL THAT WAY IF YOU'RE NOT A COMMITTEE MEMBER AND YOU'RE LOGAN YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE FIRST THING WE TALKED ABOUT ABOUT FOUR COMMITTEES I'M SORRY. OKAY.

WITH THE FOUR COMMITTEE AND I'M OKAY WITH BUNCHING UP THE DATES AS WELL.

THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL AS LONG AS WE HAVE IT TOO. SOMETIMES THAT SCHEDULE FOR MOST OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS CHANGED AT TIMES A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE AND THERE MAY BE TIMES THAT COMMITTEE SERVICES MIGHT NOT NEED TO MEET AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO IF I DIDN'T HAVE BUSINESS TODAY BUT THERE'S USUALLY ALWAYS BUSINESS FOR NATURAL RESOURCES BUT THAT COULD BE SOME TIME IT WOULDN'T. THE OTHER THING WE'RE TALKING THE ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS VOTE BUT ANY COUNCIL MEMBER COULD ATTEND A COMMITTEE MEETING AND PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSIONS COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT USED TO BE AND THAT WAY IN THE PAST IT ALSO KIND OF FREES UP PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ON A COMMITTEE IF THEY CAN'T MAKE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN WAIT TILL COUNCIL MEETING OR THEY CAN WATCH IT ON TV YOU KNOW PARTICIPATE THAT WAY BUT THAT WAY WE WOULD ONLY HAVE VOTING MEMBERS WHO ARE ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE UNTIL

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THEY'RE STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'S PLENTY OF SEATING AND SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS INTO C.R. THERE'S STILL VIDEO, THERE'S STILL PUBLIC EVIDENTLY PUBLIC USED TO SIT AROUND BEHIND YOU. BUT THIS WAY COUNCIL IS CONDUCT IN THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, FACE TO FACE INSTEAD OF UP THERE. I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO THROW AT YOU AND COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. I WANT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA IF WE KNEW FOR THERE WAS SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL WE COULD CHANGE IT TO THE MAIN IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF SEATS ONCE IT'S PUBLIC IT'S GOOD. SO EVERYBODY AGREED TO THE FOUR COMMITTEES LET'S GO THERE FIRST. I AGREE WITH THAT.

LOGAN WAS GOOD. OKAY. OH, BRIAN'S THEY HAVE TO FILL THIS ROOM OPTION TO AS LONG AS THAT THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING GOING TO HAPPEN.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SPEAKERS OR A LOT OF INTERESTED THAT WE DO HAVE THE OPTIONS.

THEY'LL BRING IT INTO THE ROOM . SURE.

AND YOU KNOW TO YOUR POINT IN PUBLIC FACILITIES COMMITTEE SOMETIMES HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SO DOES SO WITH NATURAL RESOURCES MAYBE THE OTHERS NOT SO MUCH DURING BUDGET TIME WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR FINANCE OR OUR VISITORS FOR THAT ONE.

WE'LL HAVE TO I JUST DON'T TELL PEOPLE NOBODY CAN COME IN THE ROOM.

OH NO NO WE WOULD NO WE DON'T WANT DO THAT AND WE CAN SWITCH QUICKLY IF WE HAVE A CROWD UP NOW. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I THINK WELL YOU CAN TRY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT YOU'VE BEEN AROUND LONG AS I HAVE THAT THAT ROOM GETS VERY SMALL AND VERY CLAUSTROPHOBIC EVEN JUST WITH THE COMMITTEE AND THE STAFF THAT'S IN THERE AND YOU REALLY HAVE NO SEATS LEFT IN FOR ANY PUBLIC AT ALL WHEN YOU DO THAT.

SO I THINK I THINK WE'RE I MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT BUT I JUST THINK THAT ROOM IS NOT ENOUGH TO HANDLE.

THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GET THIS MANY PEOPLE IN THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S PROBABLY JUST FINANCE.

THAT'S ALL I, I THINK MR. OR YEAH I MEAN I, I WISH BUT BUT YEAH I MEAN GIVE IT A TRY SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT AGAIN I THINK THAT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO PUSH THE LIMITS ESPECIALLY WITH WITH PEOPLE'S FEARS AFTER COVID IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE IN A THAT'S YEAH EXCELLENT POINT I'M SURE THAT WAS PART THE REASONING MOVING THEM OUT HERE TO TO GIVE SPACE TO EVERYONE BUT WE'LL SEE NOW IF DOESN'T WORK IN DENMARK WE'LL CHANGE IT BACK FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE VOTING.

SURE DO MEMBERS WE'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS SINCE MANY OF US HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

SO WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS ABOUT ALL MEMBERS WHO ATTEND THE COMMITTEE MEETING? WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE VERSUS JUST COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND STUFF.

WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS ON THAT? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN AT IT BOTH WAYS AND STUFF WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IT WAS JUST ONLY MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THEN EVENTUALLY CHANGED ALL MEMBERS AND THAT WAS FOR A REASON.

SO I'M NOT TOO SURE WHY IT WAS CHANGED SO WE CHANGING IT BACK SO WHAT IS THE ISSUE HERE IT'S TO HANDLE THAT ONE BECAUSE SHE'S GOTTEN FEEDBACK THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AND YOU KNOW I YOU KNOW I ATTEND EVERY COMMITTEE MEETING LITERALLY I CAN MAKE IT AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WE ALL DO YEAH YOU DO. YEAH. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU THEN HAVE A QUORUM FOR COUNCIL AND YOU SOMETIMES YOU HAVE MOST OF COUNCIL THERE SO IT'S LITERALLY A COUNCIL MEETING IF EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO VOTE AND I BELIEVE IN ATTENDING COUNTY COMMITTEE MEETINGS I THOUGHT MR. LAWSON EVEN BROUGHT UP IT'S GOOD KNOWLEDGE THAT'S ALL THE WORK IS DONE IN COMMITTEE RIGHT. RIGHT.

BUT WE WERE ABOUT JUST THE MEMBERS SHOULD VOTE I GUESS YOU ALL USED TO DO IT.

WE ASKED THE ADMINISTRATOR IT'S DONE THAT WAY IN OTHER COUNTIES .

IN FACT WE LOOKED AT OTHER COUNTY AGENDAS. YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME OF THEM ONLY LIST MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AS PRESENT. THEY DON'T.

THE REST OF THEM ARE PERSONA NON GRATA PER SAVE FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ON A COMMITTEE BUT I SEE IT BOTH WAYS LIKE YOU DO MR. GLOVER AS A PERSON WHO ATTENDED THEM ALL AND I ASKED OUR PREVIOUS ATTORNEY SHOULD I VOTE OR NOT VOTE BECAUSE I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE AND I WAS TOLD I COULD VOTE SO I DON'T KNOW IT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE RIGHT.

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I THINK MAYBE GERALD AND ALICE WHO BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH CAN TELL YOU WHETHER THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE APPROACH WHETHER YOU HAVE ALL OF THE COMMITTEE WHO ATTENDS VOTING VERSUS JUST ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS STILL IN WAYS I THINK IT IT IT PUT THE ONUS ON COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY HAD TO HAVE A QUORUM WHEN IT WASN'T EVERYBODY BUT THEN ALSO YOU KNOW WITH COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS WORK WHO ARE ON A COMMITTEE THEY CAN WATCH THE COMMITTEE MEETING LATER OR LIKE OR THEY COULD FEEL THEY DIDN'T PHYSICALLY HAVE TO BE AT THE MEETING. WHAT IMPACT DOES IT HAVE ON RESULT AS A RESULT DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH EVERYBODY WHO'S THERE VOTED OR NOT? RIGHT. ALL WHEN YOU HAVE ONLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS THEY'RE VOTING AND IT'S BROUGHT TO FULL COUNCIL TO BE VOTED ON. YOU KNOW WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR DIFFERENCE I DON'T KNOW NOT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I SEE IS THAT IF IN THE EXECUTIVE ROOM AND THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS IF ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE PRESENT ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE, THEN YOU HAD THAT DISCUSSION THERE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL IF IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE BUT THEY'RE PRESENT BUT NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE, THEN WE BRING IT OUT HERE. THEN THE DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE AND THE COMMITTEE LEVEL IS NOW TAKING PLACE OUT HERE. SO I SEE THE PROS AND THE CONS AT WORK BOTH WAYS. WE GET THE DISCUSSIONS WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL IF EVERYBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE THEN WHEN IT COMES OUT TO THE FULL COUNCIL THEN YOU ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION SO NOW YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT LOSING TIME DISCUSSING IT AGAIN WON'T IF IF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THE MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE PRESENT AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, THEN WHEN WE COME OUT HERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ALL OVER AGAIN WHICH WE ALREADY HAD IN THE COMMITTEE AND THEN VOTE APPROPRIATELY ACCORDING TO THEIR THE WISHES AND AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT JOE SAID. YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND IT'S ONLY ALLOWED THE MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE TO THE TO VOTE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DO AMENDMENTS ETC. ETC. AND IF THAT IS NOT DONE YOU BRING IT TO THE FULL BODY THEN THAT BODY NOW BECOMES SUBJECT TO MAKING AMENDMENTS TO THIS A MOTION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN THE COMMITTEE SESSION BEFORE WE GOT TO THE MAJOR.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOU GOT TO SPEND MORE TIME HERE DISCUSSING THAT ISSUE VERSUS AND IT'LL GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO COME BACK FORWARD AND STUFF.

SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW JUST ASKING THE QUESTION THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE HELD YOU KNOW 2:00 IS GOING TO BE EFFICIENT. YEAH IT'S IT'S HOW MUCH DOES HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COME TO COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN GENERAL THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF THEM YOU KNOW THEY'RE 2:00 AND 4:00. RIGHT.

AND IT'S THAT'S THE ONLY ADVANTAGE I SEE IS THAT MORE YOU KNOW THE COMMITTEE THE PUBLIC STILL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING YOU KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW TIMES WHEN THINGS WERE SENT BACK TO COMMITTEE BUT NOT OFTEN YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BACK AND THAT YOU KNOW, MY RESIDENTS SAY YOU GUYS JUST RUBBER STAMP EVERYTHING AT A COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE DON'T WATCH COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

THEY DON'T KNOW WE DIG IN AT COMMITTEE MEETINGS SO THERE'S A PROTOCOL AND LIKE GERALD SAID, I GOT YOU BUT I THE CHAIR READ MY MIND, SHE PUT UP OUR HANDBOOK AND THERE IS AND PART B IT SAYS MEMBERS MAY ENTER NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY ENTER DISCUSSION AND MAY HAVE A VOTE THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING FOR TWO YEARS WE CAN ANYBODY CAN VOTE IN COMMITTEE MEETING AND MANY OF US ATTEND YOU MIGHT HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE HERE FOR COMMITTEE MEETING OH WE'VE HAD THE FULL COUNCIL ALMOST SOME OF THEM SO THAT'S IN OUR HANDBOOK RIGHT NOW.

SO IF WE OPT OUT TO CHANGE IT THAT STANDS THEY GET TO VOTE IN COMMITTEE BUT WE JUST WE WANTED TO HEAR IF THERE IS ANY ANY MINISTER WELL WILL TO CHANGE IT OR NOT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN HERE I'VE SEEN BOTH JUST LIKE I THINK YOU ALL HAVE AS WELL AND THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG HOWEVER I KNOW JUST WHAT GERALD SAID AND MR. GLOVER CAME IN RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT IS THE

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I'LL CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES YEAH I DO REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS IT WAS JUST COMMITTEE MEMBERS BUT I ALSO REMEMBER BECAUSE OF THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP AND WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING QUORUMS. I REMEMBER GETTING TAGS BACK AND YOU GET ON WE'RE SHORT THEN TO GET A COMMITTEE QUORUM SO I CAN SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I KNOW THAT IT USED TO BE YOU SHOWED TO THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU'RE ALL IN. THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO COME TO I DON'T MIND THAT WE PUT IT THAT RHETORIC BACK OUT THERE BUT I FEEL LIKE THE COUNCIL MEMBER DID SHOW UP TO A MEETING AND CAN THAT THEY SHOULD THE RIGHT ABILITY TO DO THAT DISCUSSION AND THEY HAVE A SAY IN THE VOTE BUT WITH THAT SAID I GUESS ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I RUN INTO IS HOW MANY THINGS CAN BE PASSED IN COMMITTEE THAT DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH COUNTY COUNCIL.

SO IT'S ONLY THROUGH COMMITTEE AND THE REST OF US HAVE TO GO BY AND HONOR IT THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPINION TO SAY SOMETHING OR NO ON THAT.

SO MAYBE IT'S A HYBRID. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST HAVE PRAISE THERE.

JOE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. IT WILL HAVE LESS ITEMS PROBABLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE EVERYONE CAN VOTE. WE GET MORE CONSENSUS THAT WAY.

WHAT ABOUT LOGAN'S LEGAL QUESTION, BRIAN? WHAT CAN BE IT'S DOLLAR AMOUNT WHAT CAN BE APPROVED AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL? CORRECT.

CURRENTLY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE 100 OR 200,000 OUT OF THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BY MEMBERS OF ALL THREE MEMBERS.

SO LET'S GO TO MEMBERS OF THE THREE VOTE FOR SOMETHING TO OCCUR THEIR MEMBERS CAN'T MAKE A DECISION FOR ALL OF COUNTY COUNCIL OR SHOULD IT COME TO THE FULL COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

OKAY THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING LOGAN DID YOU HEAR BRIAN YES.

OKAY IF I'M HEARING THE CONSENSUS IS LEAVE IT AS IT IS IN THE HANDBOOK FOR NOW ANYBODY AND PARLOR TERM OKAY WELL THAT MAKES SENSE TO LEAVE IT AS A BIT LIKE A HANDBOOK FOR NOW.

YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT OKAY. IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE. I HAVE FIVE OR FIVE. WHAT WAS YOUR CONSENSUS? SO WE ALWAYS OKAY. YEAH BECAUSE WE'RE NOW GOING TO ELONGATE A COUNCIL MEETING THAT STARTS LATE NOW USUALLY WE TRY AND KEEP A COUNCIL MEETING 2 HOURS YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF THREE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL LEAVE IT LIKE THE HANDBOOK IS. THAT'S WHY WE WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY THERE I AM BRINGS UP SO YOU'RE SAYING WHEN IT'S FINANCIAL AND OR ANYTHING ANYTHING DO YOU REALLY WANT A COMMITTEE MAKING FINAL ACTION FOR ALL OF COUNCIL WHICH IS TO PART OF THE COUNCIL POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL COULD MAKE AND TAKE ACTION THAT BINDS COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THE CRITICS COMMITTEE YES. AND IF SOMEBODY HAS TO RECUSE THEMSELVES THEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE TOO. YOU'RE IN TROUBLE AGAIN.

BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS FAR WHAT AUTHORITY WE NEED TO HAVE AS FAR AS TAKING ACTION THAT THE COUNTY OKAY. I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE THINGS AND THEN TAB'S GOT SOME THINGS TO BRING UP TO DO. YOU'VE SEEN THIS LIST WE NEED YOU TO MARK IF YOU WANT TO BE A DO YOU WANT TO BE CHAIRMAN YOU WANT TO BE VICE CHAIRMAN OF WHAT'S YOUR CHOICES AND HAS GOT TO BE DONE QUICKLY BECAUSE WE'RE SPLIT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO THE HANDBOOK TO SPLIT COMMUNITY SERVICE FROM NATURAL BUT MONDAY THE 13TH IS A MEETING WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THOSE WE GOT TO HAVE THAT READY TO GO FOR MONDAY. SO THERE'S TWO OTHER LISTS THAT YOU HAVE BESIDES THIS COMMITTEE LIST TO MAKE UP WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

WE HAVE THE LISTS FOR LIAISONS TO THE COUNTY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS A LOT OF A LOT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WE NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE DOING AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE LAYERS ON CHOICES FOR OUTSIDE GROUPS SUCH AS I'LL USE TCL AND UCB WE HAVE MOST THE REST

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THE LIAISON FOR THIS OFFICE BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT BUT THINK WE NEED A PUBLIC DEFENDER. WE NEED TO PUT THAT YEAH.

YEAH AND I JUST SORT OF WROTE IT IN THAT'S GOOD AND CHECKED IT OFF YOU KNOW THERE'S AN INTEREST BUT OKAY YEAH DEFINITELY YES. OKAY WELL OKAY WE'LL DO THAT.

WHAT IS IN ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THAT ADDITIONS TO THE EXTERNAL ONES ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE IT SAYS LIKE SOME PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE SHERIFF CORNER AND SAUCER YEAH I DON'T KNOW THE DID WE DO THAT. OH I DON'T KNOW I DON'T THINK SO.

I DON'T THINK SO I'M IN HERE THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PUT THEM ON BUT IF YOU THINK WE NEED TO NO NO NO I DON'T SEE THE REASON THERE IS THAT OH YEAH. LOW COUNTRY TRANSIT SO LOW COUNTRY TRANSIT. YEAH TO THANK YOU WELL WELL BUT OKAY I GOTCHA IS THAT INCLUDE PAMELA BREECE YEAH OKAY THANK YOU. OKAY I FORGOT.

YEAH AND IT'S REAL IMPORTANT PAMELA BREEZY THERE. YOU KNOW THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK RIGHT. AND THEY'VE GOTTEN GOT A LOT OF THINGS ON WITH PALMETTO BREEZE. SURE DO. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY I HAVE ONE MORE THING AGENDA FORMAT. WE JUST CHANGED IT SLIGHTLY IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO AND SEE WHICH I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT IS PUTTING PUBLIC COMMENTS ALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAT WAY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO SO WE IT'D BE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BY AGENDA ITEM AND IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING THAT MAXIMUM MAXIMUM YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT HAPPENS ARE SOME TEN PEOPLE THE FIRST SESSION OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND AT THE OF THE MEETING THINK IT'S THERE FOR THE MEETING OR SAY OR THEY DON'T GET HERE OR THEY DON'T THEY DON'T MAKE THE THE 30 MINUTES OF THE MEETING AND SO THEY SIT IN AUDIENCE WAITING US TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE THIS ENDS. WE'RE GOING TO START AT SIX INSTEAD OF FIVE I UNDERSTAND BUT STILL THEY'LL SEE THE AGENDA HAS ONLY ONE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT'S VERY COMMON ACROSS COUNTIES. I MEAN I DUG INTO A LOT OF COUNTY AND WHAT WAS CONFUSING TO SOME PEOPLE THINK WITH OUR AGENDA IS IF YOU'RE

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SORRY. LOGAN OH GO AHEAD TOM WHEN THE VICE CHAIR THE DISCUSSION WE TALKED ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THAT THE BEGINNING OF THE END WE ACCOMMODATE AT THAT DO WE SET UP TIME AT THE BEGINNING AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE YOU KNOW YORK IS SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SHOW UP JUST HAVE IT BUT WE WANT IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE BEING AGENDA. YEAH, SURE.

LOGAN WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY? LOGAN GO AHEAD.

YEAH, IT WAS THE TABLE ALSO AND THE OBJECT THAT I INDICATED THAT THE RECOMMENDATION AND THAT IF WE DON'T GET ALL THE WAY WE TO MAKE SENSE OF AND GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST OF PEOPLE OR SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN LATE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE MADE TO BE MADE ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE. WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT AT THE ROOMS FOR THAT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC AND IT COULD EASILY MAKE A MOTION TO ADD TO THE AGENDA IN THE MEETING FOR WHAT DID I DO IN YORK COUNTY I'M ASKING WHAT THEY WOULD TYPICALLY DO. THERE IS WOULD HAVE 30 MINUTES UP FRONT BUT THE CHAIR WOULD MAKE A POINT TO SAY IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS DURING A PUBLIC HEARING THEY WOULD REQUEST THAT THOSE BE HELD AND THEN IN A PUBLIC HEARING THEY COULD THEY COULD MAKE WHATEVER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. RIGHT. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE AT THE BEGINNING TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED IN A PUBLIC HEARING WHICH THEN CUTS INTO IF SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO SPEAK TO A NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEM OR NON AGENDA AND THEN WHAT THEY DID AT THE END IS A IF SOMEBODY IN PARTICULAR WANTED TO COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION THEY WOULD REACH OUT. IT GENERALLY WENT THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND IT WOULD COME THE CHAIR AND THE CHAIR WOULD MAKE A SPECIAL PROVISION TO HAVE A CITIZEN MAKE A COMMENT THE END AND THEN THEY COULD BE ADDED BUT IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED AND IT WOULD BE BY NAME OF THIS INDIVIDUAL WHETHER IT BE A COMMUNITY GROUP OR SO THAT THAT'S HOW YORK COUNTY DID IT. BUT THEY DID A VERY THEY ALSO HAD 2 MINUTES INSTEAD OF THREE SO YOU COULD GET MORE SPEAKERS IN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL MINUTES. WOW THAT'S A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME BUT THOSE ARE THAT'S WHAT THEY DID THERE BUT IT WAS LIMITED TO 30 MINUTES.

OH OKAY SO JUST SO THEY KNOW WELL I AGREE WITH LOGAN THEY HAVE THE FIRST 30 MINUTES 3 MINUTES EACH AND THEY CAN SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THEY WANT BECAUSE LOT OF PEOPLE SINCE OUR MEETINGS ARE STARTING AT 6:00, A LOT OF I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME AND SAID THAT IS WONDERFUL. FINALLY YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY GET OFF WORK AT FIVE. THEY GET OVER HERE BY SIX. THEY SPEAK THEIR MIND AND, THEY LEAVE. YEAH. THEY DON'T WANT TO SIT THROUGH THE ENTIRE I UNDERSTAND THAT UNTIL 9:00 THAT NIGHT SO I THINK THAT THE FIRST IDEA WAS

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THE OTHER THING IS THE SUGGESTION IS WE DO THIRD READING PUBLIC HEARING THOSE ITEMS FIRST SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT DEVICE KEY AND IT'S A THIRD READING THEY CAN DO IT UP ON THAT. YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THEY'RE INTERSPERSED HERE AND THERE.

SO SOME PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL ITEM 17 TO SPEAK IF IT'S A THIRD READING PUBLIC HEARING THEY WOULD SPEAK THERE WHICH MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC 30 MINUTES.

THEN WE DO HAVE SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY SPEAK THERE AND THEN YOU GO TO FIRST READING AND THE REST OF THE AGENDA AND WE FOUND THAT MANY COUNTIES DO THAT OUT OF COURTESY TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE HANGING AROUND A NUMBER 17 I CAN'T REMEMBER AND THEY HAD TO WAIT AND WAIT WAIT UNTIL WE GOT TO THE THIRD READING PUBLIC HEARING IS THAT IF YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AFTER A FIRST OR SECOND READING LEGALLY, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT HEARING RIGHT THEN OR CAN YOU DO IT BEFORE THE MEETINGS? NO, NO. SHE'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING DURING THE AGENDA ITEM DISCUSSION JUST LIKE WE DO JUST ORGANIZING THEM AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA IS HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT? RIGHT.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TO TRY TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE THIRD READING OF AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IF THERE IS INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC CHANGE IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE FIRST OR SECOND READING TOUR. THERE'S CHANGES BUT YOU SEND IT BACK AND STILL HAVE IT PASSED WITHIN THE NORMAL THREE WEEKS. SO MY QUESTION IS REALLY WHEN DO YOU HAVE THAT FIRST AND SECOND READING DOING DURING TIME OF THE ORDINANCE COMING BEFORE US FOR THE MOTION OR DO YOU IT AT THE PUBLIC CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD THE SENATE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING THE WAY YOU CURRENTLY DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN JUST MOVING THAT TO THE TOP OF THAT LIST OR THROUGH THIRD READING OR SECOND READING FIRST DO YOU HAVE AN IN PUBLIC COMMENT WITH SUSAN COLEMAN AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA ITEMS WHICH STILL REMAIN WHERE THEIR GOES TO SEE IF SHE YOU BRING UP AN EXAMPLE WOULD SAY THAT YOU KNOW PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THE HEARINGS YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THIS WOULD BE FOR THE RIGHT SO IN JUDGING JOE DID THAT TOO SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO TALK ABOUT YOUR PARTICULAR ITEM FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT AND THEN ALLOW THAT TIME FOR OTHER PEOPLE DURING THAT 30 MINUTES AND WE COULD IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP AFTER O'CLOCK AFTER 630 AND THEY DIDN'T GET MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION OR EXCEPTION YEAH WE COULD OFFER IT YEAH BUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S B.S. THE CHAIR SUGGESTS I MEAN YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR WHATEVER I LIKE WOULD TAB SAID EARLIER WAS THAT IF YOU IF YOU SPOKE AT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SPEAK THE SECOND SO YOU OPEN IT UP TO OTHER PEOPLE TO PEOPLE BUT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT THERE'S ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU MAY PUT IT IN PARENTHESES ONLY FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN HADN'T SPOKEN YET. WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME WE WANT IT TO END. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DON'T I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO 30 MINUTES AT THE END I DON'T KNOW THE MOST TELL ME IT'S TEN YOU KNOW NINE OR TEN TYPE HOPEFULLY YOU ONLY HAVE MAYBE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AND HOPEFULLY YEAH YOU KNOW YEAH WE CAN WE COULD DO BUT OKAY YOU SEE THIS UP HERE THIS IS STRUCTURING THIS THIS GOES TO ABOUT THE ORDINANCE SECOND HEARING, THIRD GRADE AND THIRD READING AND THINK TO BRIAN'S POINT I REMEMBER DURING GREEN SPACE WE HAD A LOT OF CHANGES BETWEEN SECOND READING AND THIRD READING IN THE REFERENDUM WE DID TO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GO EARLY BUT REMEMBER THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK AT THE SENATE WITH THE CLERK SO YOU CAN ALWAYS AT THE END OF THE MEETING CHECK THE CLERK ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET THAT HAVE A TOPIC THAT THEY WANT AND THE CHAIRMAN CAN ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK? RIGHT. GREAT BUT IF YOU HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA IF I CAME IN LATE I KNOW I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I THINK IT HAS TO BE SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. HOW WE LIMITED IS THING BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT YEAH THAT'S ALL WAS ASKING FOR SO BRIAN GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS VERY INTERESTING WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT AT SECOND READING SO THAT IF THERE'S CHANGES FOR THIRD READING BUT SHOULD WE DO IT AT FIRST READING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WEIGH IN WE'RE JUST ELONGATING EVERYTHING. BUT AGAIN YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE I AGREE WITH THAT WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT READING THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND

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SO MOST OF THE TIME IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING SCHEDULE ROLLING INTO THE COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE, THERE'S NOT 15 DAYS IN BETWEEN WHEN AN ORDINANCE IS DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE TO GO TO COUNCIL. SO YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT ITEM TO BE DELAYED. YOU HEARD THE MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND AND SOMETIMES A CALENDAR I MEAN SOMETIMES TIGHT FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS.

SO THE GOAL IS TO TRY IT JUST BE 15 DAYS BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT DON'T PART OF ORDINANCE AND BRING IT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND SECONDLY IT'S JUST YOUR POLICY IS TO TRY FOR THE FIRST IT'D BE A POLICY NOT A NOT A OKAY IF IF IT'S JUST A POLICY THAT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY WE WOULD DO IS YES SIR I'M DOING THAT RIGHT WHICH IT'S FAIRLY ME I'M NOT GOING TO A LOT OF TIMES IF WE HAVE DAYS THAT MEANS THE SECOND READING WE GET BACK TO BACK HEARINGS, THE SECOND READING WOULD HAVE TO BE THEY HAVE TO SKIP COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING.

YOU STILL HAVE NO YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT IN TIME SO NO THAT CAN MAKE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SO IF IT PASSES FIRST READING IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE SECOND COUNTY COUNCIL AGENDA THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON ONE HALF OF THAT I THINK WHAT I THINK HE'S RIGHT IS HE RIGHT? RIGHT YEAH YEAH. YOU ADVERTISE IN BOTH AT THE FIRST READING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO PASS OR NOT. YEAH.

WHY PASS IT IS THAT WOULD DELAY THERE'S KIND OF TWO OPTIONS TO ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER SO WE HAVE IT SCHEDULED FOR FIVE BUT WE AND YOU COULD YOU COULD ADVERTISE THIS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE FIRST READING PRIOR TO GOING TO COMMITTEE BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT SO THAT'S I'M GOING TO MAKE NO NO BUT LIKE I SAY YOU HAVE TO CALL THAT WHEN IT COMES OUT OF COMMITTEE IDEALLY IF TIME PERMITS HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE FIRST READING IF THERE'S ENOUGH DATA ADVERTISING GET IN THERE BUT THAT BE RARE TOO. IT'S GOING TO OCCUR AT THE SECOND AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT USUALLY FALLS IN AT THE SECOND READING FOR MOST OF OUR AUDIENCES AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT NOTES WERE PASSED AND MOVE TO THE THIRD READING BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES WHICH JUST BRING IT BACK RIGHT. OKAY.

SO IT'S A IT'S A POLICY AND A GOAL BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AT FIRST READING AND THERE'S SOME ITEMS WE CAN'T WAIT. I MEAN WE'VE GOT TO GET THEM GOING THROUGH TO LOGAN'S POINT.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU JUST TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THAT STATEMENT AT THE EARLIEST THAT WAS THE POLICY. A POLICY.

IT'S A POLICY, YES. OKAY. WE TALKED ABOUT EXECUTIVE LET'S TALK ABOUT EXECUTIVE SESSION SOME COUNTIES. DO IT FIRST IF IT NEEDS TO BE LONGER OR MOTION CAN BE MADE TO DO IT ANOTHER SESSION AT THE END OF THE AGENDA THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE OUR AGENDA THE IDEA BEING THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:00 AT NIGHT.

THAT WAS I'M SORRY, SIR. GOOD. YEAH, IT CAN BE CAUCUS INSTEAD OF I THINK SOME OF US MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE USE THAT TERM BEFORE ANY ABOUT THAT AND WE WANT TO HAVE HE HE WENT OVER VERY WELL TODAY THE SEVEN THINGS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND EXECUTIVE SESSION SHOULD BE SPARINGLY USED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS LONG AS BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW STATE MIGHT SIGN THAT RIGHT BY STATE REGULATIONS LIKE THAT SINCE WE

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YEAH SO FOR SOME 9:00 MEETING I HEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE MEETINGS AT 9:00 AND SEVEN HERE EIGHT YEARS AGO SO YOU'D HAVE TO WRITE NOTES THAT SAY I YOU MOVED BACK AN SO KEEP IT AT THE 8:00 AND HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND IT OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR CAN MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND IT PAST HE WON'T MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND IT PASS IF YOU DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DO IT FIRST SHOULDN'T BE THERE I THINK YOU CLERK WE CAN LEAVE IT AT 8:00 AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

AND THE OTHER THING YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDING US WITH INFORMATION THAT COULD DOESN'T NEED TO BE IS TO DISCUSS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IF IT'S JUST BLANK INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW AND WE I NEED INPUT UNLESS YOU NEED OUR INPUT YOU KNOW YOU DO AN EXCELLENT OF SENDING US INFORMATION WE NEED TO KNOW UNDER AND WITH YOUR CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENTS THAT IT WILL YOU KNOW ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO DO EXECUTIVE SESSION FIVE OR DO IT AT SIX THE START AND COUNCIL MEETING I'LL GO TO FIVE AND WE CAN DO IT AT FIVE OR 530 DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THERE IS A PROVISION THAT IF WE CAN'T GET IT DONE BY SIX WE COULD WE WOULD STOP HOLDING THE COUNCIL AND GO BACK.

YOU KNOW WE NEED TO DECIDE IS DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A REALLY SCHEDULE FOR THESE CAUCUS MEETINGS? THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING CALLED AND SO AT THE TIME NO IT NEEDS TO BE REGULAR SCHEDULE CALENDARS CALENDAR TIME. RIGHT WE'LL HAVE CALENDARS SET TIME LOOK AT WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY. YEAH I WAS JUST GOING SAY I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU TWO ARE WORKING TOGETHER. HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT YOU KNOW AND OBVIOUSLY OURS IS GOING TO RUN THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING AND WE THOUGHT MAYBE OF RUNNING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SO SHE CAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THE ITEMS KNOW SPEED SOME OF THE STUFF ALONG. YES WE HAVE I'VE SEEN IT DONE THAT WAY.

I THINK THERE MIGHT BE OTHER I DON'T KNOW THERE'S OTHER COUNTIES IT THAT WAY OR NOT I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY BUT THERE'S BEEN THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION SO YEAH SO SHE WAS YOU KNOW A MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL I KNOW SHE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE PEOPLE BEHAVE SO OR OR OR NOT SO THAT THAT WAS THE MAIN THINGS ON MY LIST WE'RE OKAY YOU HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FIRST CALLING IT CAUCUS. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING. AND NOW TAB'S GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT COMMITTEE REPORTS AND THEN IN MEETINGS AND LIAISON REPORTS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MIKE MOORE. SO I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON EXECUTIVE SESSION TO LOGAN'S POINT, BRIAN CALLED ME A SCHOOLMARM MORNING I WAS A SCHOOLMARM MEANING YOU'RE MEAN AND YOU SLAP PEOPLE'S KNUCKLES CAN'T LEAVE SCHOOL RIGHT AND WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT DURING COUNCIL MEETING THE VICE CHAIR WILL RUN THE PUBLIC HEARING PART PROBABLY BECAUSE I'M MEANER I DON'T KNOW BUT YOU KNOW JUST TO SWITCH OFF A LITTLE BIT SO YEAH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION COULD BE DONE A DIFFERENT WAY AS WELL. SO COMMITTEE REPORTS WE HAD LIAISON REPORTS AND WE WILL HAVE COMMITTEE REPORTS IT'S ON THE AGENDA CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP THERE SIR SO PEOPLE CAN GIVE CAN GIVE YOUR COMMITTEE REPORT, YOUR LIAISON REPORT, WHATEVER REPORT YOU WANT MANY DO THAT INCLUDING HILTON HEAD AND AND SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING ONES WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT THAT AND THEN THERE WAS DO WE PUT ON THE AND WE WERE TALKING PUTTING PEOPLE AT WHAT IS IT CALLED AT THE END WHEN ANY MEMBER CAN COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY OUTSIDE YEAH PORT ROYAL AND BEFORE IT'S CALLED COUNCIL COMMENTS AT THE END YEAH AND WE'LL LIMIT TIME DISCUSSION YEAH.

AND LIMIT THE TIME ON THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TODAY BEFORE WE GO AT END OF THE MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC SO THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL GOING ON AND DISTRICT AND YOU WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT OUR OR JUST THINGS LIKE THAT SO IF YOU'RE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TODAY GO ROUND AT THE END BEFORE MIKE MOORE TAKES OVER EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC'S WATCHING THIS.

SO THERE'S ONE OTHER THING WE WOULD NOT IMPLEMENT THE FOUR COMMITTEES AND THE REVISED CALENDAR UNTIL FEBRUARY THREE TO GIVE ADMINISTRATION TIME TO COORDINATE AND TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO BECOME CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND AGENDA MEETINGS WE DECIDED IT'S GOING TO BE TUESDAYS TWO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. TUESDAYS AT TWO YOU'LL HAVE AGENDA MES OKAY AND YOU CAN ZOOM IN FOR YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE A CHAIR LIKE LOGAN CAN ZIP IN AT 2:00 AND YOU KNOW ZOOM OUT AS WE KNOW YOU GUYS WE DO HAVE A RATIONALE AND WE HAVE A

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I MEAN WE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING IN A IN A VACUUM BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO CARRY THE BRUNT OF THE AGENDA MEETINGS YOU KNOW GETTING THE PACK READY IF YOU IF YOU DO IT ON TUESDAY CAN YOU DO IT EARLIER I WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO IT EARLIER ON TUESDAY BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO GET EVERYTHING STAFFED AND INTO THE SYSTEM AND I GENERALLY MEET WITH THE CLERK AHEAD OF TIME SO I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU ALL SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF EVEN SHORTER. SO I'M OKAY WITH 2:00 ON TUESDAY BUT I WOULD PREFER NOT TO GO ANY EARLIER. COULD YOU DO IT ON LATER? WE COULD LIKE HOW MUCH LATER WE LIKE DINNER AT YOUR HOUSE, MR. GLOVER YEAH REALLY POSSIBILITY BUT.

I WAS THINKING MORE OR LESS 4:00 CHECK WITH YOUR WIFE I THINK A GREAT IDEA.

EVERYONE ELSE. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I'M CERTAINLY OKAY WITH SITTING HERE. THAT IS A PROBLEM.

THIS IS BEING TELEVISED. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IT'S UP TO ME.

IT'S UP TO MIKE MOORE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? THAT'S KIND OF LATE.

IT'S KIND OF LATE. 4:00, 4:00. OKAY.

HOW ABOUT 3:00? I THINK WE COULD DO THREE. OKAY.

IS THAT OKAY? THAT ARE BETTER. I CAN TELL YOU IT IS GOING TO BE THREE. I WILL HAVE TO I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT SO I WOULD HAVE TO STEP DOWN THE VICE CHAIR I JUST KNOW THERE'S NO WAY I HAVE TO BE IN THAT BUILDING BY 3:00 2:00 BETTER TWO CLOCKS BETTER I THAT YOU GOT TO ASK ME DIRECTLY THAT'S WHY JUST BEING VERY UPFRONT WITH YOU I DON'T THINK MARK TO 2:00 IS FINE I'M JUST DOING OPTIONS OUT THERE IF 2:00 WORKS FOR US TO YEAH CAN DO TWO YEAH WELL WE'RE BRINGING YOU A SNACK OR SOMETHING WHOEVER OKAY IF YOU WOULD TURN YOUR PREFERENCES FOR COMMITTEE AND PREFERENCES FOR LIAISONS SARAH BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE'LL GO OVER IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? I WE KEPT WHAT WE TALKED GO WE'LL START WITH JOE.

ANYTHING FROM YOUR DISTRICT OR YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC TODAY DISTRICT FIVE GREAT NEWS FOR LAUREL BAY THE PATHWAY HAS BEEN COMPLETED BEAUFORT JASPER WATER SEWER IS GOING TO BE UPDATING THERE THAT HAS BEEN POURING MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD THEIR WATER SO THAT'S GREAT 1960S RIGHT YES OBVIOUSLY THE 170 CORRIDOR THE TEMPORARY FIXES ARE NOW DONE REMAINS TO BE SEEN HOW WELL THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVED BECAUSE. WE'RE LACKING SOME SIGNAGE.

YEAH, THAT'S WORKING FINE. PERMANENT SIGNAGE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT GETTING INTO THE ONE LANE TO GET ON TO TO 78 YOU STILL SEE PEOPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN STOP AND THEN TRY AND CUT SOMEBODY OFF GO THE CONCRETE WHICH IS WHY THE BARRELS ARE STILL BUT AS FAR AS GETTING ON THE 278 LOOP ONTO FROM 172 TO 78 THAT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL ENHANCEMENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY TRY AND CROSS OVER SO THAT'S GOOD SO LOTS OF GOOD THINGS ARE GOING ON IN THE DISTRICT FIVE OH WELL WILLOW RUN IS ON THE AGENDA FOR DISTRICT EIGHT AT THE SCHOOL BOARDS BUYING THAT LAND AND I'M GETTING TOGETHER SOME CONSTITUENTS SINCE I LIVE HERE. OKAY. GOING WELL, I RUN.

OKAY, TOM OKAY. YOU'RE MEETING ON HILTON. HERE YOU GO.

OH, MY WORD. THERE'S TOO MUCH. I'D KEEP YOU HERE ALL DAY BUT I'LL LIMIT THAT I WANT TO TAKE US BACK TO WHAT TAB STARTED WITH EARLY ON AND HOW WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. I WANT TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE TODAY THE PUBLIC AND IN PARTICULAR TAMMY BECKER FROM TOWN COUNCIL.

ONE OF THE THINGS I TRY TO DO AND I THINK WE ALL TRY TO DO IT IS HOW DO WE GET OUR MUNICIPALITIES AND HOW DO WE WORK WITH THEM BETTER? AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE SHINING STARS FOR OUR DISTRICT THE PAST TWO YEARS AND I GO TO STORMWATER, I GO TO DRAINAGE.

WE CAME TOGETHER AS A TEAM BACK IN AUGUST WHEN STORM DEBRIS CAME IN STORM DEBBY KNOCKED THE

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RIGHT. SO HERE ARE COMING TOGETHER AS TOWN COUNTY AND DOING SOME VERY VERY GOOD THINGS SO I APPLAUD MY COLLEAGUES ON TOWN COUNCIL. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM. AND TAMMY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE VERY AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE A GOOD TWO YEARS AND I WISH OUR NEW CHAIR AND CHAIR GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF AND YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST WE'RE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. THE LAST THING I WANT TO END UP WITH IS PROBABLY INVOLVE MR. MOORE SINCE STORM DEBBIE I HAVE ORGANIZED AND DIRECTED THIS TASK FORCE IF YOU WILL STORMWATER DRAINAGE AND TO WHAT MR. DELOACH SAID EARLIER, I WANT YOU TO COMMENT, MR. MOORE ON HOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THE JOB DONE WORKING IN CONCERT WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ON TOWN COUNCIL IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK AND GET THINGS DONE IN THE COMMUNITIES BASED ON THAT SO PLEASE HELP ME WITH THAT AND NOT TO BELABOR WILL GET INTO THIS SOMEWHAT IN MY REMARKS BUT YOU BUT I WAS I WAS GOING TO SAY AS LONG AS I'M INVOLVED IN THAT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW I'D BE KEPT IN THE LOOP WITH WHATEVER DOING WITH OUR STAFF SO THE DIRECTION I THINK NEEDS TO COME THROUGH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION SO AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT THERE THE SAME WITH THE TOWN I'M SURE I THINK WE CAN BE IN A GOOD PLACE . MR. MOORE SINCE AUGUST WE HAD A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WITH BAY PINES AND ALL THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT JOINED OUR STORMWATER PLAN IF YOU WILL.

HOW HAS THAT BEEN? I MEAN I'VE BEEN WE'VE HAD TONS OF EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, A LOT OF DIRECTION A LOT OF STAFF INVOLVED. I THINK IT'S BEEN GOING REALLY AND I THINK I'VE INCLUDED YOU IN EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT YOU WANT TO SEE FROM THIS COUNCILMAN HERE TO IMPROVE TO GET MORE WORK DONE? I THINK IN TERMS OF WHO THE EMAILS ARE COMING TO, I THINK I NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT AND I THINK VERY CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO DEPARTMENT HEADS AND BELOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MINIMIZE DIRECTION. THE DIRECTION NEEDS TO COME THROUGH ME SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST IN THE FUTURE YOU KNOW WE INVOLVE IF IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR DIRECTION WITH WITH STAFF IT COME TO ME THAT MAKES SENSE GOOD WILL LET LOGAN GO NEXT LOGAN ANYTHING YOU WANT TO MENTION BEFORE YEAH I MEAN THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS OBVIOUSLY MY GOALS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS USING THIS CONVERSATION WITH WELLS PARKWAY MIGHT BE WE KNOW THAT COMING BACK AS WELL AND THE DESIRE TO IMPROVE THE CENTER AND REC CENTER HERE IN BLUFFTON IS COMPLETELY MAXED OUT POINT WORKED OUT AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE RUNNING FIVE EVIDENCE SHIFTS TO PUT THESE PEOPLE THESE KIDS GET ARE GETTING GOING PRACTICE AT 839 BUT I THANK YOU YOUR YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT FOR YOUR DISTRICT OR YOU WANT TO SHARE OH OKAY THANK YOU MADAM. THE FIRST LIMIT IS THANK YOU AND VICE CHAIR FOR LEADING THIS DISCUSSION IS WORKSHOP HERE THIS MORNING APPRECIATED AND ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. PASSMAN FOR HIS WORK IN THE PAST AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK FOR ACCEPTING BEING ON THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PLANNING COMMITTEE SINCE HE'S IN BOTH AREAS AND THEN I WANT TO THANK MR. MOORE FOR LEADING THE PATHWAY FOR EMIL KEE THAT WILL GOING PRETTY CLOSE PRETTY SOON BE GOING TO

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ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN DAWSON FROM YOUR DISTRICT TO SHARE? YEAH, I REPRESENT DISTRICT ONE.

COUNCILMAN PASSMAN MENTIONED THE COMPLETION OF THE LARRABEE PATHWAY FROM THE AIR TO THE MILITARY HOUSING. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S IN DISTRICT ONE AND NOT NOT FAR BUT NOT TO THAT POINT. I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HANK ANDERSON WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE BROADBAND TO THE NORTHERN OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR AN ALLOCATION OF FUNDS PRIOR TO OUR CHRISTMAS BREAK AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING TO GET THAT PROCESS UP AND RUNNING ALSO I HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT TUESDAY THE 14TH FOR THE BIGGEST DATA JENKINS COMMUNITY WHERE OH DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION MR. BROWN IS GOING TO COME OUT AND DO A PRESENTATION AND GIVE THE COMMUNITY UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED UPGRADES FOR THE THE CENTER AND THE RECREATION EQUIPMENT THEY ARE IN OUT IN THAT AREA. THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS.

I'M BACK TO YOU IF YOU THINK WELL OKAY MARK SHOOTING FOR YOU MR. DAWSON MENTIONED BROADBAND.

I DO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP ON TUESDAY AT 530 WHERE I DO HAVE ALL PROVIDERS COMING TO THE COMMUNITY BOTH RIGHT SPEED CALM KIDS AND HOW GREAT YEAH. TO THE COMMUNITY THAT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEIR SERVICES LIES. IS THAT GONNA BE AT ST HELENA LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY? YES, MA'AM.

FIVE FIVE 3030. YES, RIGHT. MR. LAWSON HAD A HUGE MEETING LAST NIGHT. WE HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT AT ALL JOY AND WHERE I AM I WANT THANK MR. MOORE AND THE STAFF THAT CAME OUT BECAUSE WE HAD A VERY LARGE AND AGAIN A VERY LARGE SHOW OF PEOPLE THAT CAME AND WE COVERED LOTS TOPICS.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL THOSE THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN AND NOT JUST ME I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT YOU KNOW PREVIOUS COUNCIL PEOPLE WESTON NEWTON WHO WAS A CHAIR AND THEN VOX WORKED ON SOME OF THE SAME ITEMS THAT ARE FINALLY NOW COMING FORWARD. SO I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR OR THIS COUNCIL CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING BUT AGAIN I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT AND WHAT WE'VE DONE DOWN THERE AND STAFF SUPPORT AS WE TAKE EACH OF THESE TOPICS EVERYTHING FROM DRAINAGE TO THE SEWER TO LANDING TO THE BEACH TO THE BIKE PATH TO PARK TO ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT THAT THAT BLUFFTON AREA NOT JUST AT ALL, JOY, BUT IN THAT WHOLE WHOLE AREA THERE. SO I MEAN APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S THAT THEY CAME OUT AND SPOKE AND AGAIN WE WILL CONTINUE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING SET UP NOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING A MEETING OR AT LEAST A INFORMATIONAL THAT GOES OUT EVERY QUARTER AND HE KEEPS PEOPLE UPDATED ON ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT. I ALSO IN MY HAVE A LITTLE THING CALLED THE DIVERSITY SIR WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE TO THAT'S WE'RE ON A CONTRACT WITH THE CURRENT PROVIDER WE ARE STILL MONITORING AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AS WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TWO AND BACHMANNS AGAIN TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A PERMANENT THING EVENTUALLY SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME HERE ON COUNCIL ALSO LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT AND AGAIN THANK JOE AND LARRY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIMES FROM CHANGING CHAIRMEN PREVIOUSLY WHEN JOE STEPPED TO COVID TO THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR YOU KNOW THE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE AND I THINK THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND AGAIN WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR TAKING OVER AND YOU'VE GOT MY FULL SUPPORT . WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.

SO IN DISTRICT SIX WHICH RUNS ALONG 170 I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT MR. PASSMAN SAID.

I ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE'VE DONE AT THE ONE 7278 INTERCHANGE I AM STILL SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE GO OVER CONCRETE BARRIER AND BOTTOM OUT THEIR CAR BUT HEY THAT'S PROBLEM BUT WE WE ARE

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WE NEED TO DO THAT WITH BLUFFTON CARTERSVILLE AND HAVE SOME COLLABORATION THERE.

I DO WANT TO THANK BRIAN. HE HE DOES ALL THE WORK BEHIND THE SCENES MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE STICKING TO THE LAW. I KNOW I PESTERED HIM ON ATX FOREVER BUT WE ARE FINALLY AT A GOOD PLACE SO I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE TO HARASS US ABOUT THE LAW . MR. MOORE, I ASSUME YOU MENTIONED THE JANUARY 21ST MEETING AT THE QUARTER MEETINGS. YES.

OKAY, I'M DONE. I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO REPORT.

WELL AND CITY BEAUFORT HAVE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO COME TO THEIR JOINT MEETING THEY REACHED OUT TO ME AND I THINK SEVERAL OF US I HOPE CAN ATTEND IT'S GOING TO BE THE 16TH AT THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL MAYOR CROMER IS MY MAYOR AND CITY BEAUFORT INVITED US TO COME AND IT'S AT 530 IT'S A ROUNDTABLE. WE WOULDN'T BE AT THE ROUND TABLE BUT WE WILL BE THERE AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE GREETED AND I HOPE PEOPLE CAN COME TO THAT AND DON'T FORGET LAST BUT NOT LEAST TO FILL OUT YOUR FORMS TODAY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN YOU'RE UNDECIDED ABOUT SOMETHING.

WE STILL NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND TURN THEM INTO MAYOR SARAH ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO TURN OVER TO MR. MOORE NOW THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW AT ONE GOOD EFFORT RIGHT TO 78 WORKSHOP. YES AND SEVERAL PEOPLE FROM HERE WILL PROBABLY FROM COUNTY COUNCIL AND I KNOW MR. MOORE AND JARRETT WILL BE TOO SO I THINK IT WAS GREAT THE COUNCIL INVITED SAW SO I WANT TO YOU KNOW THOSE FOR THAT. OKAY ALL RIGHT.

[8. REMARKS FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR]

THIS ONE IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL GREAT APPRECIATE THIS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A GOOD YEAR SIX MONTHS NOW I'VE GOT THREE WHICH ARE WAS VISITING IN AGAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK IN TERMS OF WHAT WE TO TALK WHEN I FIRST CAME ON BOARD AND DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS TO GET TO WELL ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS REORGANIZATION.

WE ARE NOW WE'RE WE'RE FINALIZING WORKING THROUGH STAFF AND APPLICATIONS AS YOU SEE WELL BUT AT DEPARTMENT LEVEL THE THIS WILL PROBABLY BE ROLLED OUT VERY SHORTLY AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL EMPLOYEES ALL THE FOR NOW IN TERMS OF LIAISONS TO THE COMMITTEES THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A CHANGE TO THAT AND ONCE THAT OCCURS WILL DISCUSS THOSE THOSE CHANGES IN TERMS OF THE BUDGETARY THAT WILL BE WHAT THE SAID WILL BE A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF STAFF IN THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE U.S. LEVEL.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE GOING TO SHARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK TO BE EFFICIENT IN OUR STAFFING AND GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAX DOLLARS AND TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. BUT I WANT TO BE EXTREMELY MINDFUL OF THE IMPLICATIONS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE SHOULD ALL TAKE CARE OF THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH COUNSEL BEFORE RESIGNING AS IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNICATION I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER I APPRECIATED THE PRESENTATION TODAY BECAUSE IT KIND OF IT ALL OUT AND AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH

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YOU CAN JUST ASSIMILATE SAY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU AWARE OF WHAT WILL LIKELY GET DONE WHETHER IT BE A CONSTITUENT CONCERN, WHETHER BE REWARDING SOMEBODY TO COME IN THE LINE AND PICK UP SOME DOWN FOODS FROM STORE AND WE CAN WE CAN WORK ON THAT BUT WITHOUT ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS JUST A COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND THEN INCLUDE THEM ON THE EMAIL I WOULD ASK THAT IT COME TO ME AND THEN WE CAN PASS SOME SENSITIVE THE NEED TO AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE THINK IS IMPORTANT GOES ON BUT WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE BUT WE ALSO WANT TO BE YOU KNOW DIRECTING STAFF IN THE SAME I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT I WANT NO YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO ALWAYS YOU AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND IN MY INTERFACING WITH ANY OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS I WILL EITHER COPY YOU OR I'M JUST GATHERING INFORMATION FOR MY DISTRICT AND STUFF SO IT KEEPS ME AWARE OF WHAT YOU ALL NEED AND TO MAKE IT ALL RIGHT SO MOST OF YOUR STAFF I DON'T INTERFACE WITH BUT I DO TELL YOU INTERFACE WITH PATTY WILSON BECAUSE OF STORM WATER DRAINAGE ETC. ETC. BUT I'VE NEVER DIRECTED PATTY TO DO ANYTHING. NO WE SHOULD DO IT SO IT'S MORE INFORMATION ON MY PART AND WORKING DEVELOPMENT RELATIONSHIP WITH HER AND THAT'S WHAT I DO WITH ALL YOUR STAFF AND I THINK FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT I THINK YOU HIT ON A GREAT THERE IS NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THE POLICY CERTAINLY THINGS WE CAN BRING BACK TO ADDRESS IF THERE'S POLICIES AND THERE'S POLICIES WITH SO WHERE I LIVE AND TO SAY I KNOW FIRST OF ALL YOUR DAUGHTER'S INITIATIVE IS SOMETHING THAT ME MOST ALL OF YOU TO HAVE DISTRICTS WITH I'VE HEARD THIS THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BE LOOKING AS PART OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION BUT IN TERMS OF DEALING AND PERSONNEL OBVIOUSLY THAT AND BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS WHICH THIS BODY NEEDS TO ADDRESS IS FORCE. SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT GOES TO YOU DIRECTLY AND THEN YOU WOULD REACH OUT TO LIKE I'VE DONE WITH YOU AND THEN YOU REACH OUT TO JARED OR THE ACA SO YOU'RE IN THE LOOP, YOU'RE DIRECTING STAFF AND AS I CONTINUE TO SAY WE STAY IN OUR LANE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE POLICY SETTING OVERSEEING BUDGET AND HE STAYS IN HIS LANE AND THE BUBBLES DON'T MEET ONLY WHEN NEED BE.

BUT WE NEED TO RESPECT FACT THAT YOU GET OUR EMAILS CORRECT AND IT'S MY GOAL TO MY STAFF.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IN OUR EMAILS WE'VE SAID THIS IS SOMETHING I DON'T NEED IMMEDIATE ANSWER ON OR THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME SENSITIVE? ABSOLUTELY EITHER WAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IN THE PAST I'VE BEEN INCLUDING TO EMAIL TO THE AND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE SO YOU'RE SAYING NOW RATHER THAN SEND IT TO DEPARTMENT HEAD JUST SEND IT TO YOU AND THEN IT COME TO ME IS DEPARTMENT IS THEREFORE VERY UNEASY SO SO I PREFER TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IN ADVANCE QUESTION I MIGHT ASK YOU BECAUSE IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND TO BE VERY CLEAR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AND DO THAT WOULD BE A THING EMAILS ON THIS TOPIC SO MAKE ME UNDERSTAND SEND IT TO YOU COPY THE STAFF OR JUST SEND IT TO YOU YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL BE OH GOOD I JUST SEND IT TO YOU I MEAN I'M JUST DOING IT ALL YOU CAN PUT THE A.K.A ON THERE BUT YOU SEND IT TO ME I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT AND THAT WAS WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED AND ALSO

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YES. THAT SUPPORTS THAT. RIGHT.

RIGHT SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF TO RESET POSSIBLY BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD TO ANSWER IN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE FIRST BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT YOU TO THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS THE EMPLOYEE IF Y'ALL AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS THAT THE OTHER WE'RE GETTING YOU SEE WE HAD A PIECE MY FIRST GUY YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE YOU GO OUT SOMEWHERE AND IT WAS PROBLEMATIC YOU KNOW IF IT'S ADMINISTRATION STAFF THOSE PROBLEMS YOU KNOW THESE COME TO ME AND IT'S MY JOB TO DO AND I EVEN FOLLOW THE INVESTIGATION THAT'S MY ROLE WITH THE EMPLOYER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND YOU HEAR THAT I WOULD ASK BUT THAT IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION WE HAVE THE BIWEEKLY THAT I SENT YOU ALL. I ALSO SAID YOU KNOW EMAILS WHEN YOU WHEN THERE ARE SPECIFIC WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ALL TODAY BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S INFORMATION YOU NEED TO RECEIVE CERTAINLY WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS AS THE BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS MINDFUL OF I DO SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES YOU KNOW COUNSELOR NEEDS TO TO ALL OF YOU ALL AND IT'LL BE DISCUSSED AT THE SAME TIME SO EVERYBODY IS GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION BUT WHAT ALL DOES THAT INVOLVE AND I THINK CLEARLY YOU GET SIGNIFICANT OTHER NATURAL DISASTERS AND DAMAGE TO FACILITIES INJURIES THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED TO IF THERE'S PERSONNEL CHANGES YOU COULD BE NOTIFIED OR SOMEBODY GETS HIRED YOU HAVE TO REMOVE A PERSON. YEAH THERE'S BEEN SOME REQUESTS TO THAT SO WE HAD AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION ABOUT YOU DEPARTMENT HEADS INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THIS. SO WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT AS THOSE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IN TERMS RESIGNATIONS OF STAFF SO ANY QUESTIONS OR FLARE UPS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNICATION THE BIWEEKLY IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF THIS MADAM CHAIRMAN. YES, I'M AN EMPLOYEE TOO. I'M YOU TO TONE.

SURE, YES, YOUR THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN WE'RE STARTING OFF SO IT'S GREAT. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE STAFF AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED A LOT OF THINGS NOW WE'RE BEING APPROACHED BY AN OUTSIDE LAW FIRM FOR THIS INVESTIGATION.

SOME R PARTICIPATING, SOME ARE NOT. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I WANT TO MAKE THAT WE ALL FOCUS ON IS THAT WE'RE NOT TARGETING WE'RE NOT ON A WITCH HUNT AS THE YOU NOW KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE SOME WON'T. HOW WHAT ARE YOU WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? AND AGAIN, OUR FOCUS IS TO MAKE SURE THE STAFF KNOWS THAT WE VALUE THEM AND THAT YOU KNOW INFORMATION IS INFORMATION AND SHOULDN'T BE USED AGAINST ANYBODY. WELL, I MEAN AS A MINISTER YOUR ROLE IS TO INVESTIGATE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE VIOLATIONS OF TABLE VIOLATIONS OF POLICIES AND SO YOU WOULD GET INFORMATION ABOUT POTENTIALLY COULD YOU BE AWARE THAT I WAS THERE? I DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO INTERVIEW EVERYBODY ON THE STAFF BUT TERMS OF YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S INFORMATION WE DISCUSSED EARLIER BEFORE LEAVING THE EXECUTIVE, THEN CLEARLY WE HAVE TO SIT IN THE ROOM AS EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE WE CAN FOCUS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT IS YOUR QUESTION BUT I DON'T NEED TO GO AND NECESSARILY USE PUBLIC WORDS AND ELSEWHERE. YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS DIFFERENT THAN EMPLOYEES I GUESS AND THAT WHOLE DISTINCTION GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER IS THAT OBVIOUSLY I CAN DISCIPLINE INDUSTRY EMPLOYEES OR ELSE AND THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON YOUR POLICY ON WHAT WAS BEING PUT IN PLACE SO I THINK YOUR CAT YEAH LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT YOU YOU ARE

[02:30:05]

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS SO I'M HOPING THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF NOBODY ELSE WOULD WANT THIS I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO ARRANGE SOME OF YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US OR OR TO ME ABOUT THEIR ROLES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING SO ETC. FOR EXAMPLE I CAN'T DEFINE THE ROLE OF STORM WATER AND PUBLIC WORKS .

I OVERLAPPED HIM BUT I KNOW THAT THIS DISTINCTIVE AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FUNCTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO IT IS IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SESSIONS WITH EACH LEADER DIRECTORS ADMINISTRATORS ETC. PRESENTING TO COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP SETTING JUST INFORMATION THIS IS WHAT I DO BLAH BLAH BLAH THAT SORT OF STUFF. POTENTIAL WORKSHOPS YES THAT'D BE GREAT. HOW ABOUT VISIONING WORKSHOPS? YEAH.

YOU ALL RIGHT? WE CAN GO IN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.

OUR DEPARTMENT DOES RIGHT WHERE YOU ALL MAY SEE SHORTFALLS AND WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE POTENTIALLY POLICY FOR PERSONNEL THIS GOES BACK TO THE STORMWATER ISSUES IN A CERTAIN TIME WITHIN THE TOWN BUT LITERALLY YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE COLLECTING THE REVENUE FOR STORMWATER AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S IN PLACE TO ADDRESS IT RIGHT.

SO I THINK I'D MAKE A GREAT TOPIC FOR A WORKSHOP TO DO ONCE YOU ONCE YOU PUT YOUR NEW ORGANIZATION IN PLACE AND TO YOU KNOW WHERE WE COULD EVEN DO THAT FOR THE WORKSHOPS AND, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS POSSIBILITIES SO GREAT. OKAY SURE.

YEAH THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING LIKE A RECREATION YOU KNOW THERE'S A COMMISSION AND THEN THERE'S COUNCIL AND THEN THERE'S THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND YOU KNOW SOMETIME I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE OF RECREATION AT TIMES BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT OKAY THAT IS OF IT I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF WHAT I WANTED TO GO BACK YOU KNOW I THINK IN TERMS DIRECTION OF THE STAFF I THINK WE NEED MY BOARD WHEN IT'S A POLICY VERSUS FIDUCIARY DUTY. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S A WILL OF COUNCIL THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IF YOU ALL WANT US TO GO DO SOMETHING MORE AND BE VERY CLEAR, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER THAT WE'RE GETTING CLEAR DIRECTION IN ADMINISTRATION SO THAT YOU KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IF I HAVE 11 FOLKS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THAT.

BRIAN I'VE DISCUSSED THIS TO MAKE CLEAR THAT SOMETIMES IF YOU ONLY IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION YOU CAN GO LOOK AT THIS AND COME BACK AND THAT WOULD BE MY AND WE HAVE TO ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND WE HAVE A LIMITED BUDGET IN WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE AND THAT WILL COME WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE WORKSHOP TO AND THAT WILL COME UP SO. WE CAN'T GO IN 11 DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS. ONE OTHER THING JUST FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FOR YOU TO KNOW IF BY ANY MEETINGS WERE OTHERS CAN ATTEND LIKE L I OR TO YOUR OTHER KINDS OF MEETINGS I'M I PLEDGE LIKE GIVE FEEDBACK TO EVERYONE AND WRITING LIKE A READERS DIGEST I CALL IT READER'S DIGEST SUMMARY I LIKE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL BOARD THINGS LIKE THAT AND I WANT OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND OTHER LIAISONS TO DO THE SAME. YOU CAN SHARE LONG AS IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION LIKE FOR ALL ACCOUNTING COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN I GO PORT ROYAL COUNCIL MEETINGS OR CITY OR BEFORE SOMETIMES THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO REPORT BACK BUT I WOULD HOPE ALL OF US CAN REPORT BACK ANY NEWS EITHER IN AN EMAIL OR AT AT OUR MEETINGS WHEN WE DO THAT THAT SUMMARIZE WHAT WE WANT EVERYONE TO BACK

[02:35:04]

THAT'S GREAT. SO ANYTHING JUST BE MINDFUL WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORKSHOP ON THE 21ST? IS IT FINALIZED OR WE SO THEY GET ON THEIR CALENDAR IN OF THE CORRIDOR PROJECT IT'S WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A WORKSHOP MIDDLE OF THE MONTH FOR 21ST DEPENDING ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO CONTACT AND USE AS A COMMUNITY THE TRANSPORTATION AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND YOU ALL TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE BACKGROUND ON HOUSING WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF PROVIDING RESPONSES THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE BANK WE CAN A THAT ON MARCH 31ST AS WELL AS THE AP IS THERE ONE OF MORE CERTAIN FIRST THE DECISION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE BRIDGE TO MEET US ONE ISSUE FACING US RIGHT IN THE IN IS IS TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE THE ONE STAND ON THE KEYSTONE 78 THERE'S GOING TO BE MOVING AT CERTAIN AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THAT OCCURRING. THEY NEED TO MAKE DECISION EVENTUALLY.

SO THEREFORE AT WORKSHOP WE CAN PRESENT INFORMATION, WE CAN DISCUSSION.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SUBSTANTIVE TO TAKE ACTION BUT I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION I'M PLANNING TO ATTEND THE MEETING ON THIS WE CAN IT AS WELL AS JOURNEY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO THAT OUT HERE BUT ULTIMATELY DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE BY THIS BODY BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDS THE 2018 REFERENDUM THAT ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT WE HAD THE IGAD PRELIMINARY WITH THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE MAKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENEGOTIATED NOW ALL HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE COUNCIL AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING AS IF WE HAVE SAME DEADLINES BEFORE MARCH 31ST. SO THIS HAS BEEN VERY CLOSELY FOCUSED BUT IF WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER THE REAL TARGET IN 2013 WAS THEN THANK YOU AND WE WERE TO DO IT AT BUCKWALTER REC CENTER RIGHT I THINK WE GOT I LOOKED ON THE WE HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THAT IT'S A BACKWATER I THINK THAT'S WHY IT ISN'T WE DIDN'T DO THAT AS I WAS HERE AS PART OF THAT YEAH SO THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE MORNING OR AFTERNOON RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW I THINK IT'S 3:00 ON THE WEEK IN THE STREET IT IS SAID THREE 1:00 FOR THE WORKSHOP, 1:00 1:00 AT WORK. WOULD IT BE TOLD US IT'D BE TELEVISED TO RIGHT.

OKAY. A COMMITTEE MEETING THAT DAY IS PUBLIC FACILITIES.

YEAH. IS FOR CONCERN THE THAT FOR BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SWITCHED TO THE NEW SCHOOL AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT INVITING HILTON HEAD TO JOIN US AT THAT WORKSHOP WE TO THE ENVIRONMENT YEAH WE'LL BE WORKING WE'RE CALLING IT A JOINT WORKSHOP.

IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE ENVIRONMENT LIKE THEY REQUESTED TOMORROW CERTAINLY BY YEAH COULD BE. IS THERE ANY TO MEETING YOU ALSO.

YEAH. OKAY ANYTHING ELSE WE IF NOT WE'LL ADJOURN.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME TO VISIT WE THANK YOU 3 MINUTES SHORT OF NOON THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THE TIME IS RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TOM.

IT WAS JUST BEFORE NOON NOON

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.