Dec 04, 2024 Town of Bluffton Historic Preservation Commission

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL START.

UM, WE CAN JUST START DOWN AND CHARLOTTE, WHAT HAS THE DISCUSSION BEEN AROUND THE, IT'S TAKE OUT ONLY, AND NOT DINING, BUT THERE'S A KIND OF A PORCH ON THE SIDE THAT COULD EASILY BE A DINING PORCH.

WHAT IS, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PUT OUT SEATS.

UM, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE USE OF THE, UM,

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OF THE, THE BUSINESS.

AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, INTERNALLY.

STAFF, I WANTED TO BE CERTAIN, UM, THERE ARE IRY THAT ARE PERMITTED IN TOWN, BUT THAT'S ACCESSORY TO A RETAIL USE.

AND THAT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION AS THIS.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, TO GO PICK UP AND LEAVE.

AND I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN IF THIS IS INTENDED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND BUY POPS INDIVIDUALLY, OR IF THIS IS INTENDED TO BE PICKUP, TO TAKE TO OTHER LOCATIONS FOR SALE.

AND PERHAPS THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN THAT.

DO WE KNOW HOW FAR I KNOW THE SERVICE AREA FACES, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, RIGHT? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS FROM THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE LARGE AIR CONDITIONERS.

I, I'M SORRY, TWO AIR CONDITIONERS, SOMETHING I SAW.

I REMEMBER SEEING THREE.

BUT, UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL, THE MACHINERY OR A HOME THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS FROM THAT? I, DOES IT LOOK REALLY CLOSE? I THOUGHT I HAD THAT.

AND HAS THERE BEEN, DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE OCCUPANTS? I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HARB HAS IDENTIFIED THE NOISE ISSUES, UH, IN THEIR LETTER.

UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, SO THE NOISE ISSUE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE HARB IS ON THAT.

UM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SERVICE YARDS AND THE ADJACENT YARDS, IT LOOKS TO BE LESS THAN EIGHT FEET.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS DOWN HERE, THIS BETWEEN THIS POINT AND THIS PROPERTY LINE, SEVEN FEET, SIX INCHES.

AND THE SERVICE YARDS, YOU CAN SEE HERE, DO GET INTO THAT, UH, AREA.

IT IS OUTTA THE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK.

SO I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY IT LOOKS TO BE THE CLOSEST POINT ABOUT SIX FEET IS THAT THE REQUIRED SETBACK BETWEEN TWO RESIDENCES OR BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND A RESIDENCE.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, THE SETBACK IS JUST, JUST THE BUILDING SETBACK.

THERE IS NO DISTANCE REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUILDING IT IS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THEY'RE BOTH RESIDENTIAL.

ANY QUESTIONS? AND YOU WERE A LITTLE, UM, YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLANS PROVIDING THE, IS IT THE 75% AMOUNT OF SHADE? THEY WILL NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, UM, THROUGH THE, UH, TREE PERMIT PRO OR THROUGH THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PROCESS? THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT.

UM, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THE PERCENTAGE, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, BUT I'M PRETTY CERTAIN GIVEN THE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, AT MATURITY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHADE THE PROPERTY AND THAT SHADING OF THE PROPERTY, THAT 75% CANOPY COVERAGE IS AT MATURITY AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ROOFTOPS.

THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE 75% TO ME, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW ABOUT MATURITY TREES AND WE'LL, AND, AND IT, IF IT, IF IT IS, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE CERTAIN THAT IT DOES BEFORE THE, UH, COFA IS APPROVED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I WOULD LIKE TO.

GOOD EVENING.

JAMES ATKINS WITH PORT ATKINS GROUP.

UH, JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS.

UH, THIS IS A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS AN OWNER OCCUPIED BUILDING.

SO THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY'RE LIVING UPSTAIRS AND GRANDMA'S LIVING OVER THE GARAGE.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT LITTLE CONNECTOR THERE.

UH, THERE ARE TWO HVAC UNITS.

I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH EVERY HOUSE AND MOST HOUSES THROUGHOUT TABY ROADS, AND MOST OF THEM HAVE TWO STANDARD RESIDENTIAL HVAC UNITS.

SO, UH, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

UH, THE DOOR IS NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.

UH, WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH TABBY ROADS.

THE OWNER WOULD LIKE THE DOOR, UM, THEIR FEEDBACK TO US AS WELL.

IT LOOKS LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, IN THE LETTER.

I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.

UM, AND IF YOU JUST GO DOWN THREE DOORS TO THE, UH, HOME THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE FOUR EXTERIOR DOORS ALONG THE CORNER THERE.

UM, SO I HAVE TO MEET WITH THE DEPUTY RHODES REVIEW BOARD AND DISCUSS THAT.

BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL ON THE SWORD FOR IT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST MAKE OUR ARGUMENT FOR THE DOOR.

BUT IF IT CAN'T BE A DOOR, THEN IT'LL BE A WINDOW TO MATCH THE OTHER WINDOWS.

UM, AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.

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UM, THE, UH, WE'LL JUST, WE HAD NOTED, UH, AFTER MARKET FILM ON THE WINDOWS, UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'LL TAKE THE NOTE OFF, UM, AND THEY'LL USE SOME SORT OF SHADE OR SOMETHING BEHIND THERE TO BLOCK THE WINDOW.

NO BIG DEAL THERE.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE SOURCE FOR THE A DA SPACE.

'CAUSE WE DID OUR OWN RESEARCH WITH ANSY AND A DA AND THERE IS NO SPECIFIED DISTANCE TO AN A DA SPACE.

AND THERE IS AN A DA SPACE ALONG THE ROAD THAT IS ON THE ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC WAY.

AND YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED, YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC WAY ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS ONLY TO THE FRONT DOOR.

UM, THE PUBLIC IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE APARTMENT OR THE PRODUCTION SPACE THAT THE OWNER RUNS THEIR BUSINESS OUT OF.

SO, UH, I THAT SPECIFY ANY SORT OF REQUIRED ON SITE A DA ACCESS ONLY IN THE BUILDING CODE IBC ACCESSIBLE CODE.

AND THE A DA SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE SPACE THAT IS TIED TO THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

AND THERE'S NO SPECIFIED DISTANCE IN OUR ORDINANCES, DELAWARE.

SOME OTHERS HAVE SPECIFIC ORDINANCES OF A HUNDRED FEET, 200 FEET.

BUT, UH, AND BLUFF, BLUFFTON, BUFORT COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA, THERE'S NO SPECIFIED DISTANCE.

SO OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT THE FRONT DOOR IS TIED TO THE PUBLIC WALKWAY, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE WAY, WHICH IS TIED TO THE PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE WAY TO THE PARKING SPACE THAT'S ON THE STREET.

SO, YES MA'AM.

SO IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR PARKS IN THE HANDICAP SPACE, HOW DO THEY GET TO THE FRONT DOOR? DO THEY HAVE TO GET ON THE ROADWAY? NO, THEY CAN JUST GO DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND GO TO THE, THERE IS SIDE SIDEWALK.

IT'S THE MAIN WALK ALONG.

BRUIN ROAD IS ALL ACCESSIBLE.

IF SOMEBODY AND HANDICAP PARK IS PROVIDED ON BRUIN, THE HANDICAP SPOT IS PROVIDED ON BRUIN ROAD.

OH.

AND SO I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW MORE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA COME UP ON THE NEXT APPLICATION TOO.

UH, STOCK FARM HAS HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS.

THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED SOME AADA A SPACES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE KIND OF DISAPPEARED AND SOME OF THEM, THAT ONE ALSO HAS TWO SPACES ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND ON THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

SO I NEED TO GET WITH THE TOWN AND CHARLOTTE AND FIND OUT WHAT SOURCE THAT SAID IT'S MANDATED THAT HAS TO BE ON SITE.

'CAUSE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING IN OUR ORDINANCES OR IN THE A DA, UM, OR IN THE IBC OR IN ANSI, WHICH IS A GOVERNING ACCESSIBLE DOCUMENT FOR SOUTH CAR OR FOR OUR COUNTY.

SO, UM, UH, WE ARE OVER PARKED, UM, FOR THE TOWN ORDINANCES.

TAVI ROAD WANTS US TO HAVE ONE MORE SPACE.

UM, THAT'S WHY THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BACK THERE.

SO I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE IT AN A DA SPACE, BUT THAT'S ALL PRIVATE PARKING.

UM, AUDI IS THE IT, TO YOUR QUESTION, IT IS NOT A DINING.

99.9% OF THEIR BUSINESS IS PICKUP SHIPMENT EVENTS.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM AT PUFFIN FOOTBALL GAMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT IS ALL LIKE, YOU ORDER THEM FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND YOU PICK UP, IF SOMEBODY WALKED IN OFF THE STREET A KID AND WANTED TO SAY, HEY, CAN I BUY A POPS SOLE? I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY SELL IT TO THEM AND THEY CAN LEAVE WITH IT, BUT THERE, THERE IS NO, UM, IT'S ALL PICKUP.

AND THEN MOST OF THEIR STUFF IS EVENT DRIVEN.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE CAN, IT DOES NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE AN A DA PARKING SPACE ON SITE FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THIS TOWN UNLESS THERE'S ONE NEARBY.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVERY COMMERCIAL BUILDING HAS TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE SPACE ON AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO THE BUILDING BY CODE.

IT DOESN'T MANDATE WHERE THAT ACCESSIBLE SPACE IS.

MOST LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS SAY THEY PUT THEM NEAR THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST PLACE TO THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

BUT A DA, IF YOU SEARCH IT UP, A DA SPACE, PARKING SPACES, UH, REQUIRED DISTANCE TO THE FRONT DOOR OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THERE IS NO MANDATED DISTANCE FROM A PARKING SPACE TO THE FRONT DOOR.

BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE SPACE TO GET UN ACCESS.

SO I CAN'T SAY, OKAY, MY ACCESSIBLE SPACE IS TOWN HALL EVEN THOUGH IT'S FAR AWAY BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO GET TO TOWN HALL.

BUT THE TOWN DEVELOPED ALL OF BRUIN, ALL THE STREETSCAPE WITH ON STREET PARKING AND SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED A PUBLIC WAY, WHICH IS THE SIDEWALK AND PUBLIC, A DA SPACES, WHICH TIE TO THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

AND SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE GET FROM THE ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY

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TO OUR FRONT DOOR.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT SMALL RAMP FROM THE SIDEWALK UP TO OUR ONE PUBLIC SPACE, WHICH IS THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.

WHERE IS THE CLOSEST? A DA EX, UM, A DA PARKING SPACE DESIGNATED A A DA PARKING SPACE TO THIS BUILDING.

IT'S ON BRUIN ROAD AND IT'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET ALONG BRU ROAD.

IT'S BASICALLY THIS LOT.

YOU GOT THE CORNER LOT AND THEN YOU GOT THE NEXT LOT.

IT'S SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT LOT AND IT'S DESIGNATED, DESIGNATED A DA SPACE WITH A DA, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS TO SLOPED UP SIDEWALK.

THEN YOU CAN GO ALONG AND THEN THE CURB IS ALSO ACCESSIBLE.

SO THE TOWN'S CREATED THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

WE JUST HAVE TO TIE INTO IT.

AND ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC SPACES, LIKE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR DOESN'T NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE.

QUESTION, WHERE'S YOUR PICKUP WINDOW AND HOW DO YOU ACCESS IT? YOU WALK INSIDE AND THERE'S A DESK THERE AND YOU PICK UP YOUR ORDERS AND THEN YOU LEAVE.

BUT TO THE EXTERIOR WITH THE AWNING, IT'S JUST TO COVER THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A, A PORCH FACING THE STREET.

WHAT THE FRONT DOOR? WHAT POINT, JOE, YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE ONE BY THE SERVICE YARD.

OH, THAT'S THIS ONE HERE? YEAH, I THINK SO.

NEVERMIND.

EXCUSE ME TO MAKE SURE I COVERED EVERYTHING.

UM, TREE CANOPY WE'RE FINE, BUT WE'LL GET THE DOCUMENTATION TO SH PROVE IT.

UM, WE DID THAT.

THE OTHER ONE BACK FROM KEEPER, BUT WE DIDN'T GET THAT TIME FOR THIS ONE PERMIT.

ANY SPACE.

WE GOTTA WORK WITH THE TOWN.

WE'LL REMOVE THE FILM OFF NOTED ON THERE.

UM, THE GROUND FLOOR, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOW.

WE'LL PROVIDE THE, THE DORM WINDOWS, EVERYTHING.

OR TO SCALE, WE'LL PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT IN THE SIGNAGES.

COULD YOU TOUCH BASE ON THE, THERE WERE KIND OF THREE OTHER ITEMS FROM THE HARB.

UM, THE EXISTING LAUREL OAK IN THE FRONT CORNER, THE PERVIOUS DRIVE DRIVEWAY MATERIAL, AND SOME SORT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A BRICK FEATURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON WITH A DIFFERENT LOT THAT THEY MAY WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT WOULD LIKE A SITE FEATURE THAT ONE TOUCH BASE ON, WELL AT LEAST THE LIVE OAK IN THE FRONT CORNER, IT LOOKS LIKE, OR I THINK IT'S A LAUREL OAK THAT'S EXISTING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD SAVE.

UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY MATERIAL NOT BEING CONCRETE, THAT SHOULD BE A PERVIOUS IN THEIR VIEW MATERIAL.

WE WENT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE ROUNDS ROUND WITH THEM.

AND HONESTLY, THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN COMMERCIAL UNITS.

THESE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ANY NOISIER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT, I CAN TALK TO WHITMER, JONES'S KEY FOR SA ABOUT SAVING THE TREE IF THEY THINK IT'S GONNA SURVIVE.

WE'RE SHOWING UP PLANT BACK.

SO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IN THESE THINGS THEY, THEY GET BEAT UP AND SO WE PLANT BACK A TREE THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA SURVIVE AND BE WARRANTED.

UM, THAT'S THAT ONE UP THE LEFT THERE.

BUT, UM, UM, SO I, I THINK WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE THESE PLANS, BUT THEY HAVE THE CONCRETE DRIVE AND THEN THE HARVEST IS PUSHING YOU TO DO, I THINK THAT PUR MATERIAL IS WHAT I HAD SEEN.

UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, I THINK IF YOU WOULD, I MEAN WE HAVE EMPLOYEES AND, AND CLIENTS IN THERE.

I THINK IF YOU WOULD POLL THE PEOPLE THAT RATHER THAN HAVING GRANITE FINES AND THINGS RUNNING AROUND ON THEIR ROADWAYS AND BEATING IT UP, THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE CONCRETE.

MEET ON SITE AND WALK AROUND TABBY ROADS AND DISCUSS THE DOOR.

UM, SO THAT'S, SO YOU, IF YOU WANT US TO LIKE KEEP MOVING FORWARD, THE PLANT AS IS ON THOSE RESPECTS, THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE AND THEIR PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE THINK IT GIVES A BETTER SURFACE.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE, WE MEET THE PER IMPERVIOUS CALCULATIONS.

WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE ALL OF THE GRANITE FINES AND GRAVEL RUNNING INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AGAIN, THERE'S VERY LITTLE PUBLIC REALLY IS GOING TO COME TO THIS THING, BUT THEY DO HAVE PEOPLE COME AND PICK STUFF UP.

I'M WILLING TO BET THAT 99% OF THE PEOPLE PULL IN THE SPACE RIGHT THERE ON BRUIN ROAD, WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR, PICK UP THEIR STUFF AND LEAVE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA PULL INTO TABBY ROADS AND FIND THIS DRIVEWAY THAT FEELS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS THE OWNERS WHO RUN THE BUSINESS OR PARKING IN.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T CONTROL PEOPLE.

THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE ORDINANCES, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, AND SO, UH, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE CONCRETE DRIVE AND WE PREFER TO PLANT THE NICE, UM, LIVE OAK TREE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.

AND, UH, AND WE WILL, I JUST HAVE TO

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DON'T NEED A DUMPSTER OR ANYTHING FOR THIS PLACE.

NO TRASH HANDS.

THIS IS A VERY, UM, THEY MAKE FROZEN POPSICLES AND THEY PUT 'EM IN A BIG BOX AND THEY TAKE THEM TO YOUR KIDS' BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND FOOTBALL GAMES.

SO WHAT KIND OF MACHINERY DO THEY NEED FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE LEVEL INSIDE.

I MEAN, IT'S FREEZERS TO KEEP 'EM FROM MELTING.

I MEAN, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A MACHINE TO MAKE THE ICE CREAM NO BLENDER.

UH, IT, THEY'RE BASICALLY ICES.

I MEAN IT'S A PRETTY, YOU CAN SEE THIS STUFF THERE.

IT'S A, WE HAVE TO HAVE A THREE COMPARTMENT SINK AND HAND SINK, STUFF LIKE THAT.

UM, THIS IS NOT A INDUSTRIAL SCALE.

THIS IS A, A, A HUSBAND AND WIFE, FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.

THIS IS NOT A INTERNATIONAL, UH, SHIPPING ALL OVER THE WORLD KIND OF THING.

I'M LOOKING AT THE FREEZER IN THE COOLER AND THAT'S LIKE, THAT LOOKS PRETTY HUGE.

AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA GET POWERED AND WHAT IT'S GONNA SOUND LIKE.

IT'S INSIDE, IT'S INSIDE INSULATED SIX INCH WALLS.

IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN PLAYING YOUR TV OR YOUR RADIO INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.

UM, THEY, THEY HAVE TWO MORE AIR CONDITIONERS IN THE SERVICE YARD.

FOR THOSE.

SO, UM, IS THE, IS THE RANGEHOOD IN THERE? THAT'S JUST DOMESTIC COOKING EQUIPMENT.

SO THERE'S NO KITCHEN EXHAUST FAN ANYWHERE.

THIS IS NOT A, A RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING.

UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, THERE THESE PROJECTS WERE AS PART OF THE PUD WERE DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK IF THEY HAD TO REWRITE THEIR PUD AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THERE, THEY WOULD JUST ASSUME IT'D ALL BE RESIDENTIAL.

BUT THEY'RE ALL, THE ONES ALONG BRUIN ARE NOTED AS MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AS ALLOWED.

AND SO FORTUNATELY THIS ONE'S ONE WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THEIR OWN BUSINESS UNDER WHERE THEY LIVE.

UM, SO, UH, THE, THEY'RE LIVING IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF ENEMIES WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NICE PEOPLE.

SO IT CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE WINDOW TREATMENTS WHERE THE FREEZER'S GOING? YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA PUT LINES THERE.

HOW ARE YOU GONNA PROBABLY DO LIKE A ROLLER SHADE AND JUST BEFORE THE FREEZER GETS INSTALLED? YEAH, YEAH.

JUST PUT A ROLLER SHADE DOWN AND CALL OUT TODAY.

AND THEN IF, IF THEY START THE BUILDING AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY NEED THE WINDOWS.

I DUNNO.

UH, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE PUT AFTERMARKET FILMS ON THEIR WINDOWS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

UM, BUT I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WE'VE TRIED TO BE PROACTIVE AND PUT A NOTE ON IT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A TRANSLUCENT FILM ON IT.

UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE GOT DO NEED THOSE WINDOWS, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WINDOWS THERE AND THE HARB WANTED US TO PUT THE WINDOWS DOWN.

SO WE HAD, INITIALLY WE STARTED WITH LIKE SOME FAUX BUILT OUT WINDOWS, THEN WE GOT RID OF THEM AND THEY SAID IT WAS TOO EMPTY.

UM, SO WE PUT THE WINDOWS BACK AND SAID WE PUT FILM ON IT.

YOU ALL SAID, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THE FILM, SO WE'LL JUST DO WINDOWS AND PUT A ROLLER SHADE ON IT.

OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A VOTE OR FOR A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S OTHER DISCUSSIONS.

UM, CHARLIE ON THE A DA REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF WE LEFT THAT OFF, THAT COULD BE JUST HANDLED AS A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUE DURING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW FOR ENFORCEMENT? WELL, I, I DID SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TODAY.

HE DID SAY IT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE ONE OF THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THE BACK WOULD NEED TO BE A DA? CORRECT.

SO IF, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF FEDERAL AADA A LAW, IF, IF COMMERCIAL PARKING IS BEING PROVIDED, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE A DA REQUIREMENT IS TRIGGERED.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T SEE ON BRUIN, UM, A SPACE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE BUILT ALONG BRUIN ROAD, BUT I DON'T SEE IT.

UM, LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE VIEW, WHICH WAS, UH, TAKEN IN NOVEMBER LAST MONTH, YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT SPOT, DO YOU? IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE.

IT'S TO MY OFFICE, SO I KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT IT'S THERE.

SO IT'S FARTHER, FARTHER WEST.

IT'S LIKE TWO BLOCKS AWAY.

IT'S ME, THE CORNER LOT TABBY ROADS, ONE

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LOT.

IT'S SITTING LIKE RIGHT THERE.

I MEAN, I, I LOOKED AT IT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE US IN A WHILE FOR OUR PROPERTY.

AND I HAD TO FIND THE A DA SPOT.

SO I I A HUNDRED PERCENT ON MY LIFE SAY THAT THERE'S AN A DA SPACE ON BRUIN ROAD ACROSS, UM, RIGHT DOWN THE WAY.

UM, AND YOU SAID THAT'S NEAR YOUR OFFICE.

SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT SPACE IS GONNA BE SHARED WITH THIS BUSINESS IN YOUR BUSINESS? NO, I HAVE AADA A SPACES IN MY OFFICE.

IT WAS THE OLD REDFISH, SO I GOT LOTS OF THEM.

BUT, UM, YOU DON'T REALLY GET TO DESIGNATE 'EM BECAUSE THE ADAS, JUST LIKE ALL THE ADAS, I PROBABLY SHOULD STAND UP HERE.

UM, JUST BECAUSE ALL, LIKE ALL THE ADA SPACES ALONG THE, UM, STREET SCALE ARE ALL PUBLIC ADA A SPACES.

UM, BUT NO ONE GETS TO CLAIM IT PER SE FOR THE ONE IN FRONT CORNER PER RIGHT.

UM, THEY'RE JUST FOR PUBLIC USE.

AND SO THEY BASICALLY HAVE BUILT IN YOUR PUBLIC WAY.

I'M HAPPY TO SIT WITH MR. LL AND, 'CAUSE I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE A DA SAYS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE WAY TO THE BUILDING AND SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN A DA SPACE ON, YOU DO HAVE A, YOU DO HAVE TO ENSURE IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S AT LEAST 5% A DA PARKING SPACES FOR WHAT'S PROVIDED.

I MEAN THERE, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE DOOR.

IT JUST SAYS IT HAS TO BE THE ACCESSIBLE WAY.

AND SO OUR PUBLIC PART OF THIS BUILDING IS OUR FRONT LITTLE PICKUP SPOT.

SO WE ARE PROVIDING AN ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC WAY.

AND I, I MEAN I, I'M HAPPY TO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, IT IS, I GUESS FROM THE BUILDING'S SIDE, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUILDING.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SITE.

UM, IS THERE A REASON YOU WOULDN'T JUST PROVIDE A, THE EIGHT FOOT FIVE FOOT AILE? UH, I WILL HAVE TO.

AND WE WERE TIED INTO THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO OUR PUBLIC SPACE.

BECAUSE THE HARB WANTED THE EXTRA SPACE AS THE TOWN IS SAYING IS YOU NEED AN A DA SPACE.

WE'LL LOSE THAT SPACE TO STRIPE AN A DA.

SO IF WE LOSE THE SPACE, WE, THE, THE TABBY ROAD SAYS, WELL, YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

IF WE ADD, THERE'S THIS KIND OF LIKE WE MEET THE TOWN ORDINANCES FOR THE PARKING MM-HMM .

AT AND HAVING THE A DA, BUT TABBY ROAD SAYS, WE DON'T MEAN THEIR GUIDANCE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING RULES.

UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE CHALLENGE IS WE HAVE SOME CONFLICTING THINGS HERE, UM, BETWEEN THE TABBY ROADS REQUIREMENTS AND THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS.

SO I'M HAPPY.

I I HONESTLY LIKE, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.

LIKE I CAN STRIPE THE SPACE AND WE CAN SLOPE.

I WALK UP TO THE PORCH.

UM, IT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD IF THE HEAVY ROADS MAKES US GET RID OF THE SIDE DOOR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET ON THE SIDE PORCH OVER TO THE FRONT.

YOU'RE BASICALLY WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK ACROSS THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, BACK ONTO THE ACCESSIBLE WAY THAT WE ARE USING TO COME IN THE FRONT DOOR.

WELL, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT DOES US ANY GOOD, DOES IT DO SOMEBODY WHO'S HANDICAPPED ANY GOOD? THEY CAN'T.

IF THE I, IT'S HARD TO SEE THE, CAN I GET TO ELEVATION FLOOR PLAN AGAIN? THE THE SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR HAS ACCESSIBLE ACCESS AND, AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT.

UM, HAS ACCESSIBLE ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY.

UM, I JUST SEE IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING SPACE BACK THERE FOR SOMEBODY, I DON'T SEE WHERE, SO HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.

IF YOU PARK A DA HERE, YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT HERE, YOU'RE GONNA COME HERE, YOU'RE GONNA COME ALONG THIS SIDEWALK, YOU'RE GONNA COME ALL THE WAY TO DOWN HERE.

YOU'RE GONNA COME ON HERE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA COME IN THIS DOOR.

'CAUSE THIS IS THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.

THAT'S THE PUBLIC SPACE.

AND THERE'S NO ROUTE LIKE THROUGH THAT PORCH.

NO.

WELL, THEY WANT US TO GET RID OF THIS DOOR.

SO IN THEORY, YOU COULD COME UP HERE AND COME UP HERE, BUT IF WE GET RID OF THAT DOOR, THEN THERE ISN'T A WAY YOU CAN COME OTHER.

SO OTHERWISE, I'M GONNA PARK RIGHT HERE AND MY AD SPACE AND I'M GONNA GO, YOU ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING LESS DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING A DA SPACE ON BRUIN ROAD THAN IF I WOULD PUT YOU IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.

IT, IT JUST, I, I'M HAPPY TO STRIPE IT AND I CAN GO BACK TO THE HAR AND SAY, HEY, THEY MADE US STRIPE THE A DA SPACE AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT YOU'RE BASICALLY TAKING OUT TWO SPACES FOR OTHER THINGS AND THERE'S ALREADY AN A DA SPACE THERE.

SO I, I DISAGREE WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.

UM, I KNOW I DON'T GET FINAL SAY, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE THOSE UPFRONT CONVERSATIONS.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T TRYING TO NOT BE ACCESSIBLE.

LIKE I CAN JUST TELL YOU THERE'S AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE

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WELL, WHEN YOU WERE INITIALLY DESIGNING THIS WHOLE THING, WAS THAT NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT ONE OF THESE SPACES NEEDED TO BE AADA A AND THEREFORE THE DESIGN SHOULD ALLOW FOR, SO WE WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND SAID THERE'S AN A DA SPACE RIGHT HERE THAT'S ON THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU DON'T YEAH, YOU DON'T PROVIDE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.

YEAH, I MEAN THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY FOR THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS AND THE, LIKE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S A RESIDENCE.

IF IT WAS JUST BUSINESS, WE COULD USE THE ON STREET PARKING TO COUNT.

SO THE O OWNER OF THE BUSINESS AND THE RESIDENCE DOESN'T NEED THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOT.

THEY'RE ABLE BODY PEOPLE.

UM, SO THE PARKING IN THE BACK THAT'S BEING REQUIRED FOR THE TWO SPACES FOR THE RESIDENCE AND THE SPACE FOR THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE IS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

UM, SO YOU'RE PUTTING A HANDICAP SPOT BASICALLY IN THE SPACES WHERE THE TOWN ORDINANCE SAYS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC PARKING.

I GUESS YOU'RE NOT SEEING MY POINT.

IT WAS LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY WAS FIRST DESIGNING THIS BUILDING THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

LIKE, OKAY, WE KNOW WE NEED TWO SPOTS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

WE SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT IT REQUIRES AN A DA SPOT.

SO THAT WAS, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT WAS NEVER TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

I DID THINK ABOUT IT.

THAT'S WHY WHEN WE STARTED AT MY OFFICE, BE RIGHT THERE, WE WALKED UP AND DOWN THE STREET TO ENSURE AND WHEN WE DO LOOK AT THE NEXT PROJECT, I DID THE SAME THING.

I WALKED IN THERE AND THERE WAS AN A DA SPACE ON THE SITE NEXT DOOR, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER ADJACENT SITE AND STOCK FARM FARM, BUT NOT ON THE PROPERTY.

NOT ON THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THE STOCK FARM, A DA PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIDEWALKS AND ACCESSIBLE ACCESS.

'CAUSE ON THAT ONE I WALKED OUT AND THERE IS NO ACCESSIBLE PARKING ON UM, 46 AND SAID, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE.

SO NOW WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE FROM THESE A DA SPACES UP TO OUR FRONT DOOR.

UM, SO I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE DID HONESTLY THINK ABOUT IT AND ANALYZE WHAT THE PARTICULARS OF EACH SITE WERE.

IS THAT, THAT ON STREET A DA SPACE? IS THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SPARTINA? SPARTINA STREET.

SO SOMEBODY'S CROSSING THE STREET.

IT'S CROSSING THE STREET, BUT BOTH CORNERS ARE ACCESSIBLE WITH ACCESSIBLE STRIPS ON IT.

IS IT A FOUR WAY? BUT I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF REASONS.

IT'S ONLY THREE WAYS, BUT IT IS A STOP SIGN WHERE YOU WOULD BE CROSSING AGAIN.

I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE, THE TOWN AND IF THE TOWN SAYS THIS IS THE WAY IT IS, WE'LL STRIPE A SPACE BACK THERE.

OBVIOUSLY WE, YOU AGAIN TAB THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THEY SAY, WELL, OKAY, YOU ALL WANT TO A UH, HANDICAP SPACE THERE.

WE'LL CAN DO THAT.

WELL, THE HARD ONES GRAVEL FINES.

WELL, WE CAN'T DO BOTH OF THOSE EITHER.

UM, SO YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THIS, AND THEN IF WE GET RID OF THE DOOR, THEN, I MEAN, TAMMY ROADS CAN'T MAKE YOU DO SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

I AGREE.

UM, AND YOU COULD EASILY STRIPE HANDICAP, UH, ACCESS AISLE IN ADDITION TO THESE TWO PARKING SPACES.

YOU COULD.

I WOULD LOVE IT.

THERE NO REASON THAT ANYTHING THAT IT COULD ADD AN AISLE TAB.

ROADS WOULD LET US, UH, THIS WOULD BE IDEAL RIGHT HERE IS LET, LET US RECONVERT ONE OF THE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ADD AN ACCESS AISLE, YOU KNOW, PLAN NORTH OF SPOT FIVE RIGHT HERE BY THE ORANGE RECTANGLE.

LIKE ABOVE THE PARKING, ABOVE THE RED SPOT SQUARE.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

UH, WE COULD WIDEN THAT OUT.

WE HAVE, I THINK THE TOWN WANTS US TO STAY OVER, UH, FIVE FEET OFF THIS PROPERTY LINE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE AS A MANDATE OFF OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE.

BUT I MEAN, WE COULD WIDEN THAT UP.

WE CAN MOVE IT, WE CAN CREATE A LARGE STRIKE THERE.

SOMEONE'S BACKYARD ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS SO, UM, BUT I, AGAIN, THIS IS, I'M SENSITIVE TO ACCESSIBILITY.

I I, THERE ARE OPTIONS TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

UM, I, I DON'T HOLD TO THE PRINCIPLE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT ON PROPERTY.

UH, I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH, UM, DAN AND A DA YOU JUST, AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GOOGLE IT ON YOUR FREE TIME.

UM, IT WAS, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE SPACE TO THE ACCESSIBLE WAY AND THERE IS NO PRESCRIBED DISTANCE FOR THE SPACE.

OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO MARCH MILES AND I, THERE'S A HUMAN SIDE OF IT, I GET IT.

BUT TO PARK HERE VERSUS RIGHT HERE, IT'S THE SAME DISTANCE.

AND I, I HONESTLY THINK IT, PEOPLE WON'T EVEN REALIZE THAT THERE'S A, A SPACE TO BACK THERE.

UM, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PULLING INTO

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I DEAL WITH IT.

THAT'S WHY WE TOOK CAREFUL TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ACCESSIBLE SPACES WERE.

I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

THE LOUVER DETAIL FOR THE SERVICE YARD.

YOU'VE GOT, UH, BINDS JASMINE GROWING ON IT AND IT IS SHOWING A HALF INCH GAP BETWEEN THE LOUVERS, LIKE, LIKE A VISIBLE GAP, NOT THAT THEY'RE OVERLAPPED.

UH, THOSE ON THE DETAIL SHEET, UH, RIGHT THERE.

FOUR, A FIVE, 5.0.

THERE'S A HALF INCH INDICATED BETWEEN THE BOTTOM OF ONE LURE AND THE TOP OF THE NEXT ONE.

AND THEY'RE ALSO SLOPED TOWARDS THE INTERIOR OF THE SERVICE YARD, THAT SPECIFIC DISTANCE.

SO I GUESS THE HARB REQUIRED US TO HAVE THAT EXACT DETAIL AND HAVE IT SLOPE INTO THE SERVICE YARD THAT WE COULD PROBABLY CHANGE.

WE CAN PROBABLY CHANGE THE SLOPE OF IT, BUT THEY REQUIRED A, I GUESS A HALF INCH INVISIBLE GAP.

GAP.

THAT TRUE, THAT WASN'T, I THOUGHT THAT WAS MAYBE A MINIMUM IN THERE.

I DIDN'T, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO DO.

WE CAN CHANGE THE SLOPE WITH THE LOUS THAT WILL HELP.

AND UNLESS YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH IT, YOU PROBABLY WON'T.

SO WE CAN, RIGHT.

IT'D BE NICE TO NOT HAVE LIKE A HALF INCH VISIBLE GAP IN THERE IF THERE'S NOT A REASON FOR IT.

I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR IT, BUT IT JCU HAD TO NEGOTIATE THE, UM, THE HARM GUIDELINES.

I MEAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND REQUEST THAT WE LAYER THE LOUVERS AND SLOPE THEM TO THE OUTSIDE, HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

THEY HAVE IT AS A HALF INCH MAX, SO.

I THINK YOU COULD REDUCE THAT TO LIKE A TYPICAL DETAIL.

GOT IT.

MAYBE WE COULD HAVE JUST LABELED THAT AS HALF INCH MAX AND, BUT WE'LL DRAW IT UP AS, AND I THINK THAT HELP, OTHERWISE I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THIS JASMINE NOT BEING NECESSARILY ENOUGH ON THAT.

NO PROBLEM.

WE WILL, WE WILL SWITCH THE SLOPE AND UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, GAP IS ACTUALLY ENDS ALIGNED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

SO IF SOMEONE'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION, HOW DO WE WANNA TREAT THAT FIRST ITEM? DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? I THINK YOU COULD REWORD ONE IF, IF OFF THREE.

I DON'T THINK, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

I DO THINK IT'S UP DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S UP TO US.

AND SO IF, WELL I THINK IN REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN IF WE WANTED TO, IF WE FELT STRONGLY THAT WE PROBABLY REQUIRE IT, BUT I THINK IF WE WANTED TO LEAVE THEIR LEEWAY FOR NEGOTIATION WITH STAFF, THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS THAT AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IF IT NEEDS TO.

SO WE ALREADY, THEY ALREADY HAVE, UM, A DA PARKING ON BRUIN ROAD.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO VOTE ON IT AT ALL.

I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND IT'S NOT ACROSS THE STREET.

IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH FOR ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES, BUT WITH DECISION ISSUES AND, AND YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S MOBILITY NOT REALLY CLOSER THAN THE BACK.

I, THAT'S JUST, IF YOU'RE TAKING A WHEELCHAIR, SO THE, UH, THAT SPACE IS ON THE BLOCK TO THE WEST.

IT'S ON THE NEXT BLOCK.

UH, BETWEEN WELDS AND PRI I BELIEVE PRICHARD.

UM, SO IT IS MIDBLOCK, UM, HERE AND THERE IS AN ON STREET SPACE AND LOOKING AT THE, THERE'S ANOTHER ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO PURCHASE STREET.

IS IT SHELL RAKE I BELIEVE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S BETWEEN SHELL RAKE AND WILD SPARTINA.

IT IS ON STREET LOOKING AT, UM, THE A DA LAW, WHICH IS FEDERAL LAW.

IF A BUSINESS PROVIDES ANY COMMERCIAL OFF STREET PARKING, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE A DA SPACE.

IF THE COMMERCIAL PARKING WAS ELIMINATED COMPLETELY FROM THE SITE, THEN THE ON STREET SPACE WOULD BE FINE.

NO COMMERCIAL USE WHATSOEVER.

AND THERE IS NO DISTANCE REQUIREMENT THEN? SO THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IN OUR MOTION.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

OUR SOLUTIONS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND KEEP TWO SPACES IF THAT NEEDS TO, IS NOT REALLY ONE OR THE OTHER ON THE SITE PLAN.

SO THOSE TWO SPACES WOULD BE STRICTLY FOR THE RESIDENTS,

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SO THREE ARE REQUIRED.

UM, SO TWO ARE IN THE GARAGE AND THEN ONE WOULD BE ON THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE WHICH WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL.

UM, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO USE ADJACENT ON STREET PARKING.

UM, THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY UNLESS IT'S, UH, A REQUIREMENT OF TABBY ROADS.

BUT FOR, UM, THE PURPOSES OF THE UDO, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE PARKING FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS INSTANCE.

IF THERE, IF NONE, IF THOSE TWO SPACES ARE NOT, IF NOT ONE OF 'EM IS DESIGNATED FOR A DA AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS CLEAR.

UM, AND THOSE ARE STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL PARKING SPACES, RIGHT? YES.

AND THEY WILL NEVER BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING.

THE UD SHE SAID IF THERE IS COMMERCIAL PARKING, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE AN A DA SPACE ON SITE.

THERE ARE THREE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES TO BE ON SITE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S TWO GARAGE AND ONE CABBY ROADS MADE US ADD ANOTHER ONE JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ADDED IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK.

THE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF THIS IS ACCOMMODATED BY THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING.

AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT BY THE UDO TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH ONSITE PARKING.

SO IN MY OPINION, THOSE SPACES ARE FOR THE RESIDENCE BECAUSE THE, THE THREE REQUIRED AND TABBY ROADS MADE US AT A FOURTH.

THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TWO, THE THREE ON STREET PARKING SPACES AND THE A DA ACCESS THAT'S EXISTING ON BREWING.

ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO, SO I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR.

THOSE SPACES THAT ARE MARKED IN RED RIGHT HERE WILL NOT BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING AT ALL.

I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

NO, ALL KIDDING ASIDE, IF JOE WANTS TO GO PICK UP HIS POPSICLES AND PULLS IN THERE, I CAN'T STOP HIM FROM DOING IT.

BUT I WILL SAY AS A, AS A PERSON, IF YOU WERE DRIVING DOWN THIS ROAD AND YOU SAW A GARAGE WITH A, A DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF IT, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOT PULL IN THAT PERSON'S DRIVEWAY TO PARK TO GO DO COMMERCIAL USE BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

YOU KNOW, LOOK, AND THAT'S HOW MOST OF ALL OF THESE ARE SET UP DOWN THERE IS KIND OF ALLEY ACCESS DRIVEWAYS.

WILL THERE BE ANY KIND OF SIDE INCH SAYING LIKE, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL PARKING ONLY.

UH, MY ONLY THING IS THAT IF THERE IS GONNA BE USED, IF THE INTENTION, LIKE THE SIDE INTENTION IS THAT'LL BE A COMMERCIAL PARKING SPACE, THEN YOU, AND FROM WHAT SHE SAID, IT'S NOT THE SIDE INTENTION AT ALL.

THAT PARKING SPACE WOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE UNLESS AVI ROADS ASKED US TO PUT IT IN THERE.

UM, THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT FOR THE UDO REQUIREMENTS.

NOT GONNA HAVE CURBS ESSENTIALLY, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

LIKE YEAH, I MEAN IT IS JUST, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE SAFE.

YEAH, IT, BUT THEY SAID YOU GOTTA HAVE ANOTHER PARKING.

OKAY, WELL WE'LL JUST PUT IT RIGHT HERE.

AND WE DON'T NEED IT FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

AND SO, I MEAN WE CAN SIGN ORDINANCE, WE CAN TALK TO THE CLIENT IF YOU WANT TO.

I'M SURE THEY'D BE HAPPY TO PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY, WHETHER ROADS WANTS US TO PUT A SIGN UP THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL PARKING ONLY.

'CAUSE THEN WHO KNOWS, IT JUST KIND OF OPENS UP PANDORA'S BOX FOR EVERYONE PUTTING THOSE ON THE DRIVEWAYS.

BUT, UM, YOU CAN NOTE IN IF YOU WANT THAT THE PARKING ON, YOU KNOW, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF FINAL.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR.

NO, NO.

SO IF THERE'S NO, I THINK IT IS A GOOD POINT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE THAT A HANDICAP PARKING SPACE, YOU'RE REALLY CHARACTERIZING THAT PARKING OUT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AS COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL.

UM, SO I'M A LITTLE, I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS BEING OPEN TO LETTING THEM NEGOTIATE, LIKE LEAVING IT SO THAT THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S INDEPENDENT OF US.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THEY REALLY WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, THEY CAN REQUIRE THAT SEPARATELY THIS PROCESS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I I THINK AGAIN, THE TRIGGER IS THAT FOURTH THREE SPACES

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THAT FOURTH SPACE IS TREATING THAT PARKING NOW IS COMMERCIAL.

AND THE AADA A LAWS IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE AADA A ACCESSIBILITY SPACE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE, THE HARB IS REQUIRING THIS FORCE PHASE, THAT'S THE TRIGGER FOR REQUIRING THE ACCESSIBLE SPACE.

AND IF THAT REQUIREMENT WENT AWAY, THEN THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE WOULD GO AWAY.

SO, SO YOU KNOW, LOOK, IF SOMEBODY WAS DOING A LARGER MIXED USE SITE AND THEY HAD 'CAUSE PEOPLE LIKE CARRIAGE HOUSES THAT ARE ATTACHED WITH RESIDENTIAL USE, THERE'S, YOU, YOUR STAFF TYPICALLY LOOKS AT THAT.

THERE'S, THERE'RE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.

YOU CAN'T GO START COUNTING MORE THINGS AS RESIDENTIAL PARTIES TO GET AWAY FROM CERTAIN CALCULATIONS AND STUFF.

IN YOUR VIEW, I'M NOW ANY, ANY, ANY SPOTS BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND A MIXED USE, IT'S TYPICALLY CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL SPOT.

CORRECT.

SO YEAH, IF A BUSINESS PROVIDED BETWEEN ONE TO 25 OFF STREET SPACES, ONE ALONE IS GOING TO TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ACCESSIBLE SPACE.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A UDO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THAT SPACE OFF STREET.

THAT'S AN HARB REQUIREMENT MEANT YOU CAN ALSO TALK TO THE, THE MAR.

I MEAN IT IS JUST IN THEIR CALCULATIONS THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SPACE.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER WHERE THAT SAYS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A REQUIRE SPACE OR A RESIDENTIAL SPACE.

LIKE WE CAN TALK TO THE HARBOR AND SAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WE MET WITH, AND THIS IS ALL DESIGNATED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY.

IS IT A WRITTEN REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE COMING UP WITH A SIX SPOT OR IS IT JUST THEY LOOK AT IT BASED UPON, UH, USE AND CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THEY DON'T LET YOU COUNT.

THEY ONLY LET YOU COUNT LIKE 1.6 OF THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPOTS.

AND I MEAN, IT'S SOMEBODY HAD FUN WITH MATH.

UM, BUT SO IT COMES OUT THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE LIKE 0.34 OF ANOTHER SPACE.

BUT YOU DON'T ROUND DOWN.

YOU ROUND UP.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA SPACE CAME IN IS 'CAUSE WE NEEDED ONE THIRD OF A PARKING SPACE.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL USE.

IN FACT, IF THEY, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE, THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THE PROJECT IS THAT THERE'S A COMMERCIAL USE, BUT IT'S ALLOWED IN THEIR PUD.

UM, SO THEY WOULD BE OWNERS AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE FINE.

LIKE, AND PROBABLY THE HARP SAYING THIS IS RESIDENTIAL USE ONLY FOR THE DRIVEWAY.

I, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, YOU REGULATED, YOU REGULATE IT AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROBLEM OF PEOPLE PARK IN HANDICAP SPOTS WHEN THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.

SO I CAN'T CONTROL HUMAN BEHAVIOR, BUT I WILL SAY AS AN ARCHITECT, VISUALLY IT WILL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE A PERSON'S DRIVEWAY.

I THINK I'M OKAY LEAVING IT UP TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS OUT OF OUR REALM OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE STRUCTURE.

DOES IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? DOES IT MEET, YOU KNOW, THE UDO DOESN'T NEED ALL THAT.

AND AS FAR AS THE BUILT THE PARKING, I THINK THAT'S BEYOND OUR REALM.

SO I I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING IT UP TO THE BUILDING TO START.

I AGREE.

ONE, UH, NO, WE ACTUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, CHARLOTTE'S WRITTEN NUMBER SIX IN A WAY THAT GIVES THAT FLEXIBILITY.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE PARKING IS WITHIN OUR REALM.

I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ENOUGH ARGUMENTS MADE TO LET THEM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE CHAPTER 11 OR THE ADA A GUIDELINES SITTING HERE WITH US AND TO LET THEM NEGOTIATE THAT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

UM, MY OTHER THOUGHT ON A MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM LEEWAY.

I THOUGHT THE DOOR EO TWO, EITHER BEING A DOOR OR A WINDOW WAS, WAS FINE EITHER WAY.

SO I THINK IN OUR MOTION WE COULD, UH, CAPTURE THAT, THAT COULD BE A DOOR OR A WINDOW, UH, SINCE THEY WOULD LIKE, SOUND LIKE THEY WANTED THE FLEXIBILITY TO TRY TO KEEP THAT AS A DOOR.

UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN? SURE.

I WOULD MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE PROJECTS WITH A, UM, CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED BY STAFF CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.

UM, AND THEN MODIFYING NUMBER

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SO I, I JUST REC, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED BY STAFF NUMBERS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.

UM, SHE HAS PROVIDED THE, THE FLEXIBILITY FOR BOTH THE A DA AND THE, UM, GROUND FLOOR DOOR IN HER, THE WAY THAT SHE'S WRITTEN THAT.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD THERE.

THE, UH, LOUS AND OH, AND, AND ALSO NOTING THAT THE LOUVER SHOULD SLOPE, UH, SLOPE OUTWARD TO SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT.

SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

[VII.2. Certificate of Appropriateness: A request by Court Atkins Architects, Inc., on behalf of 5812 Guilford Place, LLC, for approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness-HD to construct a new 2-story main building of approximately 2,400 square feet and a connected 2-story carriage house of approximately 1,050 square feet at 5812 Guilford Place, Lot 12, in the Stock Farm Development and with Old Town Bluffton Historic District. The property is zoned Neighborhood General-HD.(COFA-09-24-019336)(Staff-Charlotte Moore]

FOR THE NEXT ITEM? YES.

OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM IS A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT.

JACOB WOODS OF COURT AKENS, UH, AKINS ARCHITECTS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER 58 12 GUILFORD PLACE, LLC.

THEY ARE SEEKING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVAL TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 2,420 SQUARE FEET AND A TWO STORY CARRIAGE HOUSE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,050 FEET.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE STOCK FARM DEVELOPMENT.

UM, FRONT FRONTS MAY RIVER ROAD WITH THE REAR PORTION.

UM, ALL ALONG GUILFORD PLACE, THE ZONING IS NEIGHBORHOOD GENERAL HD.

THIS IS A PHOTO FROM GOOGLE AGAIN, UM, RECENT, RECENTLY TAKEN IN NOVEMBER.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY THERE, UH, THAT IS WOODED.

THE, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

PHOTOS FROM GUILFORD PLACE.

LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY.

UM, COUPLE OF PERSPECTIVES HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A, UH, TWO TABBY PARAPET WALLS THERE, UM, THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT ARE THE MAIN FEATURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WILL BE COMMERCIAL, GROUND, FLOOR AND UPPER STORY AS WELL AS IN THE CARRIAGE HOUSE.

AND THERE WILL BE A CONNECTOR AND, UM, AN OPEN AIR CONNECTOR BETWEEN, UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS.

THE PROPERTY SLOPED SLIGHTLY, SO YOU CAN SEE AS WELL THAT WE'VE GOT TWO.

UM, WE'VE GOT A RAMP, UM, ADJACENT TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND STAIRS GOING UP TO A COURTYARD.

THIS IS THE REAR LOOKING INTO, UH, GUILFORD PLACE.

AND THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT, HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IN MAY RIVER ROAD.

UH, THE SIDEWALK IS PROPOSED TO EXTEND INTO THE, UH, MAY RIVER ROAD RIGHT AWAY.

SO THAT WILL REQUIRE AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT FROM, UH, THE SOUTH CAROLINA DOT.

UM, AND THEN IN THE REAR, UH, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT IS PROPOSED.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALSO A, A SIMILAR SITUATION WHEN COMMERCIAL PARKING IS PROVIDED BY, UM, A BUSINESS, THEN THE A DA COMPLIANCE IS TRIGGERED.

SO AN A DA SPACE WOULD BE REQUIRED.

WE DON'T HAVE A LETTER OF APPROVAL YET FROM, UH, THE POA OF STOCK FARM.

I THINK THERE'S A MATTER THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE FINE WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THAT LETTER TO PROVIDE TO YOU.

UM, I WANNA POINT OUT SOME OTHER THINGS HERE TOO THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED.

UM, THE SETBACK IS 20 FEET, 19 FEET, 10 INCHES IS PROPOSED.

SO THIS COULD BE MOVED SLIGHTLY.

UH, THE BUILDING SLIGHTLY BACK AND THEN THE FRONT PORCH, UH, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT AS WELL.

UM, LET ME GO TO THE, HERE'S THE ROOF PLAN.

WE NEED TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE.

SO HERE IS THE, UM, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, FROM MAY RIVER ROAD.

AND THE FRONT PORCH IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE UDO.

THE FRONT PORCH IS ACTUALLY HIDDEN BEHIND THE PARAPET.

UM, SO STA LEAVES, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE A DETERMINATION, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS ACTUALLY FITS THAT PURPOSE.

UM, WITH THE REQUIREMENT, THERE HAS TO BE EITHER AN AWNING, UM, SOME SORT OF CA CANOPY, AN ARCADE OR A COLONATE.

IN THIS CASE, A PORCH, UH, IS, IS PROVIDED, BUT AGAIN, IT'S BEHIND THAT PARAPET WALL.

THIS IS A TRELLIS FEATURE HERE.

UM, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT MATERIAL, BUT AS YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, A SCREEN PORCH, THE SCREENING WOULD HAVE TO BE BEHIND, UM, THE, THE, THE POST.

UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WELL, BUT

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I THINK WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

I DIDN'T BRING IT UP IN MY, UH, REPORT.

UM, AND ALSO THESE, UH, UH, UM, WINDOWS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A RETAIL STOREFRONT, THESE FIXED FRAME WINDOWS ARE, ARE NOT PERMITTED.

SO THAT WOULD NEED A DETERMINATION AS WELL.

SO HERE'S THE INTERIOR VIEW, UH, TO THE WEST.

LOOKING INTO THAT PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FIXED FRAME WINDOWS, UH, ARE ALSO ON THIS SIDE.

AGAIN, A DETERMINATION WOULD BE NECESSARY.

LEMME GO BACK HERE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE CONNECTOR INTO THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE.

THIS IS THE GUILFORD VIEW FROM THE SOUTH.

AND ANOTHER VIEW OF THE MAIN BUILDING, THE REAR OF THE MAIN BUILDING.

THIS IS THE INTERIOR VIEW TO THE EAST, AGAIN, THERE'S A, UH, THE, THERE'S A GARDEN AREA LOCATED HERE.

THERE'S STAIRWELL INTO THE SECOND FLOOR, IS LOCATED BEHIND THAT TR OF SCREEN.

UM, COURTYARD HERE I'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, THAT THE RAILINGS HERE WILL NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED.

THE MATERIAL, UM, MATERIALS ELSEWHERE FOR RAILINGS ARE PROPOSED TO BE ALUMINUM.

AND THE HPC WILL NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THAT IS APPROPRIATE.

HERE ARE THE VARIOUS SECTIONS.

THE FIRST FLOOR, FLOOR PLAN.

HERE'S THE FRONT PORCH THAT I MENTIONED BEHIND THE PARAPET WALL.

AND THEN THERE'S A GARDEN LOCATED HERE.

THIS IS THE MAY RIVER ROAD, UM, ELEVATION.

HERE'S THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN.

THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AGAIN, WE'LL NEED TO HAVE, UH, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND CERTAINTY THAT WE HAVE 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE.

SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS OR DETAILS.

SO THESE ARE THE THREE DETERMINATIONS THAT WILL BE NEEDED.

UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE FRONT PORCH LOCATION BEHIND THE PARAPET WALL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE UDO, THE DETERMINATION THAT ALUMINUM IS AN APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL FOR THE VARIOUS RAILINGS.

AND THEN WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THE STAIRWAY AND, UM, THE RAMP RAILINGS, UH, MATERIALS FOR THOSE, AND A DETERMINATION THAT THE FIXED FRAME WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE.

UM, ADDITIONAL FINDINGS, UH, GOT SEVERAL OF THOSE.

UM, WE WANNA BE CERTAIN THAT THE SERVICE YARD IS LARGE ENOUGH TO CONTAIN ALL SERVICE RELATED ITEMS AND THAT THE UTILITY METERS ARE SCREENED.

UH, THERE WERE SOME COLUMN DETAILS THAT WERE MISSING.

SO WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDO.

UH, IDENTIFY THE RAILING MATERIAL.

PROVIDE DOOR AND WINDOW SCHEDULES.

UH, WE'LL NEED THE SURVEY, UH, THE TREE SURVEY OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.

BE CERTAIN TOO THAT 75% TREE CANOPY COVERAGE WILL BE PROVIDED AND THAT A STREET TREE WILL BE PROVIDED.

TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, WILL BE NECESSARY PER THE APPLICATIONS MANUAL.

WILL WANT TO HAVE THE LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM STOCK FARM POA.

AND BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE THE, THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA IS ENCROACHING INTO THE, UM, COMMON AREA OF STOCK FARM, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE THAT APPROVAL AS WELL.

COMPLIANCE WITH THE A DA, UM, UH, FEDERAL LAW WILL BE NECESSARY.

THE FRONT YARD BUILDING SETBACK WILL NEED TO BE MET 20 FEET AND FUTURE SIGNAGE WILL REQUIRE A SITE FEATURE PERMIT.

AND IF YOU CHOOSE, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY AND STAFF, UH, WITH THE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE SHOWN, BELIEVES THAT IT MEETS THE FOUR CRITERIA.

PROVIDED THE CONDITIONS ARE MET, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SO ALL FLOORS ARE ALL GONNA BE COMMERCIAL? CORRECT? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE IS FOR HAVING THAT PORCH BEHIND A WALL? THAT WOULD BE YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE APPLICANT PRIVACY THING.

NO, IT'S PART OF THE STAIRWELL.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE, OH, LAST ONE.

OH, IT'S, UM, THE LAST ONE SHE WAS JUST ON.

YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWELL GOING UP.

YEAH, THERE IS A STAIRWELL HERE.

AND THIS WILL BE HITTING HIDDEN BY THE, THE TRELLIS SCREEN.

SO ENTRYWAY.

OKAY, THERE WE GO.

WHAT ABOUT THE SIDE PARA? IT SAYS, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

SO THERE WILL BE A, A DOOR HERE, AN ENTRY DOOR.

AND THIS IS THE SIDE THAT FACES MAY RIVER, CORRECT? IT MIGHT HELP IF I GO HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWELL HERE, AND THERE ARE WOODEN SLATS THAT WILL HAVE, UM, I AM ASSUMING THAT EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF CLIMBING VINE, UM, GIVEN THE TRELLIS SCREENING.

SO THERE ARE SOME, UH,

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OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT? GO AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.

JAMES ATKINS WITH COURT, ATKINS GROUP.

UM, WELL, LET'S JUST RIP THE BANDAID OFF.

KEEP TALKING ABOUT A DA SPACES.

SO, UM, THE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE BEING ADDED AREN'T REQUIRED, BUT STOCK FARM REALIZES THAT THEY HAVE SOME PARKING CHALLENGES AND HAVE ASKED US TO ADD TWO MORE PARKING SPACES.

UM, SO LIKE THE LAST SITE WE WENT OUT AND EVALUATED, UH, WHAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH.

WE HAVE AN A DA SPACE TO THE LEFT.

WE HAVE AN A DA SPACE TO THE RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING ALONG 46.

AND SO IN ORDER TO TIE THE PUBLIC WAY AND ACCESSIBLE ROUTE IN, WE TOOK THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.

WE ADDED THE RAMP, UM, SO THAT THEY COULD GET UP TO THE LEVEL OF THE FIRST BUILDING AND WORK THEIR WAY TO THE FRONT DOOR.

THIS IS A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.

THERE'S A, UH, ONE TENANT UPSTAIRS AND ONE TENANT DOWNSTAIRS, AND THEN A TENANT IN, LIKELY IN THE, UH, CARRIAGE HOUSE.

UM, SO, UM, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAVE THE EXPENSE OF THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, BUT THE OWNER IN TALKING TO TABBY ROAD AND NOT TABBY ROADS, GEEZ, WE'VE MOVED ON TO STOCK FARM, UM, HAVE, UH, ASKED US TO, AND I KNOW A FEW OTHER FOLKS HAVE ADDED SPACES.

UM, SO IT'S KIND OF HALF IN STOCK FARM'S PROPERTY AND HALF IN HIS PROPERTY.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT THERE ARE TWO ACCESSIBLE SPACES AND WE'VE CREATED AN ACCESSIBLE WAY TO, UM, THE, UH, PRIMARY TENANT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

UM, THE OTHER PRIMARY, UH, ITEMS, UM, THE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PORCH.

UM, UH, IT, IT, IT'S A PORCH BY DEFINITION.

UM, IT'S A COVERED ENTRYWAY WITH LEADING TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, IT'S NOT ATYPICAL IN SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURE TO HAVE THE STAIR INTEGRATED WITH THE PORCH.

UM, AND WE'VE, UM, APPLIED A, A KIND, A TABBY WALL PARAPET, UH, AS A, AN ELEMENT, UH, TO DEFINE THE ENTRYWAY.

AND THEN DID ADD A FIVE FOOT, UH, BALCONY, WHICH IS ANOTHER FEATURE KIND OF INSIDE THE, UM, QDO.

UM, IT SAYS AN ADDITIONAL ACCENT.

UH, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME GROWERS ON THE SLAT WALLS.

UH, I THINK THE PRIMARY THING IN HPRC AT ONE TIME, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AND THE MAIN BUILDING WERE, HAD THE SAME BEARING HEIGHTS AND THE ROOFS WERE ALL LINED UP.

AND SO, UH, WORKING THROUGH THAT, WE MANAGED TO DROP THAT BUILDING DOWN IN THE CONNECTOR A COUPLE FEET TO TRY TO CREATE SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

UM, SO IT ACCOMPLISHED THAT, UH, ALL THE COLUMNS ARE WOOD.

UM, WE DID PROVIDE A DETAIL, A TYPICAL DETAIL FOR THE RAILING, SHOWING THAT IT IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL JUST, YOU KNOW, HALF INCH PICKETS, UM, FOR THE RAILING.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS THERE, UM, TO GIVE, UH, UH, DEPTH AND DIMENSION TO THE RAILING, UH, IN, UH, LIKE OTHER PROJECTS.

UH, BUT ASK THAT IT BE A POWDER COATED ALUMINUM, UH, FOR LONGEVITY OF THE, UM, OF THE PROJECT.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

UH, THIS ONE WE HAVE THE LOUVERS, RIGHT, JOE? SO, UM, MAYBE IT WAS JUST A MIRRORING THING TO THE ALUMINUM RAILINGS THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE UDO TO HAVE THE INSTEAD OF RED IRON.

UM, AND AS IN THE PAST, AND THEN WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT, UH, IT JUST CAN'T BE LIKE THE CHEAPEST, UH, ALUMINUM RAILING THAT YOU CAN FIND.

IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME, SOME LARGER COMPONENTS TO IT.

UM, THE WINDOWS, SORRY, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT ME TO THE SAW? I MIGHT BREAK IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT.

WHICH ONE DO I HIT? THIS ONE GOING BACK.

GO BACK.

UH, SO EACH, THE LARGEST WINDOW IN THAT IS THREE BY NINE.

UH, SO IT'S 27 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE THERE'S A NOTATION THAT HAS TO BE UNDER 36.

AND THEN THEY'VE GOT A FULL MILLIONS IN BETWEEN THEM.

BUT WE DID ASSEMBLE THEM IN SIDE BY SIDE TO CREATE A GLASS CORNER, WHICH IS WHERE THEIR CONFERENCE ROOM IS.

AND WE DID THAT IN THE TOP OF THE BOTTOM, UH, TO CREATE A, UM, PERSPECTIVES.

AGAIN.

DETAILED OPEN TAIL WHEREAFTER, UH, GLASS, UH, ELEMENT, SUNROOM CAROLINA ROOM, SO TO SPEAK.

TO CREATE A NICELY KIND OF

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UH, ON THE CORNER THERE, UH, UTILITIES ARE NOTED ON THE PLAN, SORRY, UH, DRAWING, UH, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST SERVICE YARDS WE'VE DONE.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE COVERED THERE, BUT WE'VE GOT THE METERS.

IS THIS A POINTER HERE? I'M GONNA BLOW IT UP.

UM, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.

IF AS A IN BETWEEN, MAYBE IT'S JUST ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND WE OPEN UP THE TOP FLOOR SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT PORCH NATURE TO THE BACK.

WELL I WON'T PUSH IT.

UM, WE'VE GOT THE, THE THREE UNITS THERE, ONE FOR EACH TENANT, UM, TRASH CANS.

UH, JOE, WE HPRC WAS CONCERNED ABOUT INTEGRATION OF THE STAIR AND JUST HAVING, UH, ABILITY TO KIND OF JUMP BACK THERE.

UM, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY LOUVERED ALL THAT OFF.

WIDENED THE STAIR, PULLED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND THEN BROUGHT THE LOUVERS ON.

SO THE SERVICE YARD, UH, METERS AND TRASH CANS ARE UNDER THE STAIR.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE HVAC UNITS IN THE SERVICE YARD INTEGRATED IN THE BACK.

UM, UH, ALL THE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND THE STAIN GO THROUGH THE STACK REPORT ARE BACKWOOD WINDOWS WE COVERED THERE.

WE DID GET AN UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THIS ONE.

THE 70 PRICE PERCENT WERE AT 78.4%.

SO, UH, WE'LL GET THAT RESUBMITTED.

AND WE GOT CONFIRMATION THIS AFTERNOON THAT THE STOCK FARM AIR B LETTER WAS SENT WITH APPROVAL, UM, EARLIER TODAY.

SO IT JUST TOOK SOME TIME.

UM, BUT DON'T TRY TO GET AHOLD OF HIM 'CAUSE HE JUST LEFT FROM MEXICO TODAY.

BUT IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR EMAIL BOX, UM, FOR THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND, UH, SORRY, I KNOW IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

TREE CANOPY, FIXED FRAME, WINDOWS RAILINGS SERVICE SHOWS.

A DA PARKING, I THINK THAT'S IT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S A BUILDER'S OFFICE UPSTAIRS.

UH, TENANTS TO BE DETERMINED DOWNSTAIRS, BUT ALL COMMERCIAL ON THIS ONE.

SPRINKLERS OR ANYTHING? I, TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ONE, ANY QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE.

MY, MY BIG CONCERN, AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF, THAT THE PARAPET WALL DOESN'T FIT THE SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURE SO THAT, THAT I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

NOT LOOKING LIKE OLD SELF WITH THE BIG PARAPET WALL.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO BLOCK THE STAIRS, BUT IT'S JUST A STRUGGLE FOR ME TO SEE.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURE TO ME.

WELL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T COME UP.

PARAPET WALLS ARE A VERY TRADITIONAL SOUTHERN ARCHITECTURE DESIGN ELEMENT.

UH, IT'S, UH, YOU WOULD FIND IN CHARLESTON ARCHITECTURE, MANY OF WHO LIVE WORK SIDE YARDS HAVE A COMPLETE WALL ON THE FRONT WITH A DOOR THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BY DEFINITION BE A PARAPET WALL HIDING A PORCH TO THE FRONT DOOR.

SO, UM, IT'S AN INTERPRETATION OF THAT.

SURE.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GUESS ARCHITECTURAL LICENSE TO CREATE CREATIVE THINGS.

BUT, UM, IT, IT'S USING ALL OF SOUTHERN VERNACULAR ELEMENTS.

UH, IT IS IMPORTANT BY DEFINITION.

UM, IT JUST LOOKS VERY CONTEMPORARY TO ME.

UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE INGLE VOLKER IS SPACE OUT OF.

THEY HAVE A PARAPET WALL GOING INTO A PORCH FACING MAY RIVER.

IT'S NOT FACING MAY RIVER THOUGH.

UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, THE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION HAS A TABBY PARAPET WALL, AND SO HE REALLY LIKES THAT BUILDING.

HE'S NOT A BIG FAN OF THE BUILDING TO THE OTHER SIDE.

SO HE WANTED TO CREATE SOME COMPLIMENTS TO THAT ARCHITECTURE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW TO THE RIGHT.

COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE SLAT WALL SCREEN IDEA? 'CAUSE IT REALLY DOES KIND OF CLOSE OFF THAT PORCH ON THE LEFT SIDE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME GREEN ONTO THE BUILDING AND, UH, PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE LOVES CONFEDERATE JASMINE AND RUNNING UP THE TRELLIS AND EVERYTHING.

UH, OFTENTIMES MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN SEEING A BUNCH OF PARTS AND PIECES OF A WOOD STAIR.

UM, AND SO THIS WAS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HOG FENCING'S A VERY TRADITIONAL SOUTHERN ELEMENT.

UM, SO WE'VE EXTENDED IT UP HERE TO PROVIDE A SCREEN WALL TO THE, UM, TO THE STAIR ELEMENT AND BRING SOME GREEN TO THE BUILDING AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE SOFTEN THE BUILDING, MAKE IT FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE NATURAL.

HOW, HOW DOES IT WORK ONCE IT GETS TO THAT SIGN THOUGH? IF YOU HAVE A BREAK POINT THERE, HOW DOES IT GROW PAST THAT SIGN AND, AND GROW IN THE UPPER PORTION? IF THAT'S THE IDEA? I MEAN, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD TRIM IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD KIND OF GO UP THE SIDES AND, AND YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY ALL THE, AND STUFF'S PRETTY IT IS, BUT I MEAN, THAT SIGN'S ALMOST ALL THE WAY OUT.

I MEAN, WE COULD, IT MIGHT BE FUN TO, YOU KNOW,

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YEAH, I MEAN, MY MAJOR CONCERN OF THAT IS THAT YOU JUST SEE METAL UP THERE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA GROW ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP THERE.

'CAUSE YOU HAVE THAT SIGN AS A BREAKAGE AND IT'S ON THE NORTH FACADE.

WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE SHADE ALL DAY LONG.

IT'S RIGHT SHADE TOLERANT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GROW VERY FA I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GROW TWO STORIES VERY QUICKLY IN SHADE.

GROW ABOUT THE SAME AS THE LIVE OAK TREES.

BUT I, I ACTUALLY KINDA LIKE THAT IDEA TALKING THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES HERE.

I MEAN, AGAIN, LISTENING TO HAVING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, OPENNESS TO THE PORCH.

UM, MAYBE THAT FLAT WALL GOES AWAY AND YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES OF THE STAIR UP THERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE LANDING, UM, WHEN YOU JUST HAVE THE RAILING COMING THROUGH.

I MEAN I THINK THE FRONT'S A LITTLE BUSY WITH THAT.

I MEAN, THE TRELLIS.

IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS TAKING MAYBE THAT TRELLIS OFF? I, THERE'S ALMOST TOO MANY PARTS ON THAT FRONT.

UH, I, I ACTUALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TRELLIS FOR A WHILE AND THEN JUST KIND OF, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD A ROOF AT ONE TIME TOO.

I'D BE FINE.

UH, HAVING JUST A HEADER OVER THERE.

I MEAN THERE, THERE'S, UM, IT WAS A NICE ELEMENT TO CREATE A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS AND BALCONIES AND THINGS IN THE, UM, UDO, THEY HAVE ROOFS AND THINGS, RIGHT.

WE DIDN'T REALLY WANNA PUT A ROOF ON IT.

UM, BUT I WOULD, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON, I HAVE NO ISSUES MAYBE LOSING THE SLAT WALL ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND LOSING THE TRELLIS JUST TO KIND OF SIMPLIFY IT AND NOT MAKE MORE THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

SO IF YOU TOOK THE FLAT WALL OFF, THAT WOULD JUST BE RAILING.

THAT'S, THAT'S A PORCH THAT GOES OVER THERE.

JUST A RAILING ACROSS THERE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU TOOK THE PORCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT.

IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU WOULD JUST SEE THE PEEKABOO.

LET'S SEE IF I GOT SECOND FLOOR IN HERE.

UM, SO I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A POINTER, BUT ON THAT UPPER OPENING THERE, UM, THAT FLAT WALL GOES TO THE UP.

SO NOW WE WOULD JUST HAVE THE PICKET RAILING.

SO YOU WOULD GET A SENSE OF THE RAILING COMING ALL THE WAY ACROSS, BUT YOU WOULDN'T EXTEND THE PORCH ACROSS THE SECOND.

THE PORCH ON UP HERE ACTUALLY DOES EXTEND IT TURNS INTO THE RAILING FOR THE, OR THE LANDING FOR THE STAIR.

I'LL THINK THEY COULD 'CAUSE THERE'S SIGN THERE.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO ADJUST SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN THERE.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK THE INTENT OF THE UDO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ACTIVATING THE STREET SCAPE WITH THE PORCHES AND HAVING THAT BE COMPLETELY SCREENED I THINK IS A, A MISTAKE, ESPECIALLY AT THE TOP LANDING WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO BE COMING UP TO THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AND BE SEEN THERE.

UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M AS CONCERNED ABOUT SCREENING THE UNDERSIDE OF THE STAIR.

UM, BUT I DO, I MEAN I DO LIKE THE, UM, BALCONY AND THE TRELLIS AND KIND OF LIKE THE ROMANTIC KIND OF CREATING A LITTLE ROMANTIC MOMENT ON THAT FACADE.

THAT'S, I THINK WE'VE JOKED, I DON'T, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES PIECES, BUT IT, IT KIND OF ACTIVATES THAT FACADE.

I DON'T WANT BALCONY.

I THINK THERE'S, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS ON THAT FRONT.

WHEN YOU HAVE A METAL, THEN YOU'RE HAVE ANOTHER RAILING AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, BALCONY THE RAILING WITH ANOTHER CHARLES ABOVE IT.

I THINK THERE'S JUST ALMOST TOO MUCH GOING ON IN THAT FRONT.

IT COULD BE SIMPLE.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THAT ENTIRE STREET SCAPES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO DOWN THAT STREET, THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS THAT ARE SORT OF SUPER SIMPLE.

SO HAVING A, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ORNATE, MORE ORNATE IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO DO IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN I STILL THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH THAT.

AND IT, IT'S A PRETTY DETAILED, JUST LIKE I SAID, I JUST WORRY THAT THE IS IS TOO MUCH? I MEAN THAT RAILING'S GONNA BE STATEMENT.

HAVE WE IN THE PAST APPROVED THE ALUMINUM RAILING? WE HAVE, YEAH.

IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE, UH, KELLY, KAREN INTERIOR DESIGN BUILDING THAT OKAY.

UH, WAS BEFORE MY TIME ON THE HBC, BUT IT IS A SIMILAR HORIZONTAL SLAT ALUMINUM ELEMENT.

AND I THINK THE ONE BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW HAS ALUMINUM PAN RAISED AS WELL.

LOT, MOST OF THEM WE APPROVED LAST WEEK.

ONE IN STOCK FARM.

THEY WERE REQUESTING THE SAME HANDRAIL AS ACROSS THE STREET AND IT WAS A SIMILAR FLAT BAR.

ALUMINUM HANDRAIL, NOT THEIR DIAGONAL.

IT WAS, IT WAS NOT THE DIAGONAL.

BUT I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, THE UDO DOESN'T PROVIDE A LOT OF GUIDANCE ON THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE HANDRAIL SO MUCH AS IT, THE PHYSICAL MATERIALS OF IT.

I DEFINITELY WELCOME NOVEL DESIGNS.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S NICE.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE TRELLIS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION? IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME PERSONALLY.

I THINK IF YOU OPEN THAT UP THEN THAT DOESN'T BOTHER ME EITHER.

ROOF BEHIND THE PARAPET IS, MIGHT BE INTERFERING WITH THAT TOP LEFT WINDOW OF THE CORNER PIECE.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT TOP RIGHT PERSPECTIVE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE

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WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T DO THAT.

I THINK WE'VE RAISED THAT BEARING UP SLIGHTLY AND SO THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T GET COORDINATED, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY PULL THAT.

UM, I DON'T WANT REALLY THAT OVERHANG TO SLIP PAST THAT PARAPET WALL ANYWAY, SO WE'LL PULL THAT BACK.

WHAT IS THE, UH, INTENTION BEHIND THE, THE CAP ON THE PARAPET CAP, UH, IS THE TOP OF THE PARAPET WALL, IS THAT JUST STUCCO OVER? YEAH.

OR IS THERE WHERE, LIKE RIGHT HERE? UH, NO, LIKE, WELL THERE, BUT LIKE THE HERE, YEAH, THERE WE'VE DONE BOTH, UM, WE'VE DONE LIKE A METAL CAP, UM, FLASHING CAP ON THERE.

WE'VE ALSO JUST LEFT IT FAIRLY SIMPLE AND JUST DONE A STUCCO, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A SLIGHT SLOPE TO IT.

UM, WHAT IS THAT LITTLE SLIT FOUR VENT DECORATIVE ELEMENT, BUT, UH, WHAT IS THE IDEA? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY RECESSED AND IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THE MATERIAL IS ON THE INSIDE.

IT'S JUST TAB, IT IS JUST BASICALLY A PUSH BACK.

JUST AN ELEMENT TO PROVIDE SOME SHADE AND SHADOW ON THE FACADE.

LIKE YOU WOULD A LURE AND A GABLE END.

CAN, CAN YOU GO TO THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THAT? MAYBE DOING PRETTY GOOD SO FAR.

I HAVEN'T BLOWN IT UP.

SO WHAT, WHAT'S A THOUGHT? I MEAN, TYPICAL ARCHITECTURE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE MASKING WALLS ON GABLE ENDS, THEY'RE ON BOTH SIDES.

WHY IS IT NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE? IT'S ONLY ON THE LEFT.

UH, SEE IN REALITY YOU'LL SEE BOTH OF THOSE.

AND I THINK WHAT'S REALLY COOL ABOUT IT IS THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT HAS IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE KIND OF SIMILAR IN DESIGN NATURE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPOSITION OF THE STREETSCAPE, YOU'VE ACTUALLY, IT ONLY HAS IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

THIS ONE ONLY HAS IT ON THE LEFT SIDE.

AND THEN WE'VE, THIS ONE, WE'VE INTRODUCED IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT AND JUST KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN.

AND THEN ON THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, IT ALSO HAS A SIMILAR, UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL, MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, E FASCIA SOLVE IT.

THAT'S ALSO THE SIDE WHERE THE GARDEN, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, WE'VE DONE A WHOLE RAISED LANDSCAPE COURTYARD HERE.

UM, SO THERE'S A RETAINING WALL.

AND SO THAT ALL KIND OF BEGINS TO INTEGRATE WITH THAT BECOME PART OF THE ENTRY SEQUENCE FOR THE DOWNSTAIRS TENANT AND ANYONE WHO PARKS IN THE BACK.

I JUST, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, BUT IN THIS BUILDING ITSELF, IT JUST FEELS UNBALANCED.

'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S SOMETHING YOU, YOU WOULDN'T TYPICALLY SEE IN THAT ELEVATION.

YOU LOOK STRAIGHT ON, YOU'LL SEE THAT ONE IS GOT A FAIR BIT WALL AND ONE DOESN'T.

YOU, YOU GOTTA KIND OF SIDE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK STRAIGHT ON AT IT, THAT OFFSET GABLE KIND OF MIMICS IT.

IT SHOULD BE.

I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THAT ARCHITECTURE, ROSEMARY BEACH OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT KIND OF ARCHITECTURE, THEY'RE ALWAYS, WHENEVER THERE'S A PARA PIT WALL LIKE THAT, IT'S, AND ON A G LINE THAT'S THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALWAYS ON BOTH SIDES.

I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST TRYING TO MIMIC THE PARA PIT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IT'S NOT A PARA ON THE OTHER SIDE.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, I'M SAYING YEAH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PAIR.

THIS DOES NOT, ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS A PAIR.

I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT IS BEING THE GABLE LIKE THAT IS KIND OF MIMICKING THIS, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU GO TO THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU READ A RIGHT YOU ROOF THAT GOES STRAIGHT ACROSS ON EACH END, IT WOULD TYPICALLY, IT WOULD FINISH WITH THAT PARA PIT WALL.

THIS WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

BECAUSE IT DOES READ THROUGH FRONT ELEVATION.

YOU DO SEE THE ONE AND FRONT ELEVATION.

YOU SEE IT.

I MEAN I'M OKAY NOT HAVING IT IN THE BACK ON HERE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON THERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ON IT STRAIGHT THROUGH IT, IT THAT READS THROUGH.

BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW THE BUILDING ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COURTYARD'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.

KNOW, THE DESIGN STINT WITH TRELLIS WITHOUT TRELLIS, UM, PARAPET WALL OR GABLE END, UM, FLAT WALL.

I MEAN THIS IS THE SERVICE YARD SIDE AND THE OTHER BUILDINGS 10 FEET AWAY.

SO, UM, THE REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IF, NOW I GUESS IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, IT'S PASSED OUT.

I THINK IT'S THE CAR PLACES OR PRETTY CLOSE TO IT.

YOU'D BE, YOU KINDA LOOK ON, BUT TRAVELING IT'S FAIRLY WELL SCREENED.

UM, THIS WILL FILL IN THIS ONE BUILDING, EXISTING BUILDING TO THE LEFT AND ONE IN CONSTRUCTION TO THE RIGHT.

UM, SO I I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE INTENTIONALLY PUSHED IT ALL THE WAY TO THAT SIDE SO THAT THIS KIND OF FEELS LIKE THE BACKSIDE, UM, AND OPEN UP THE LEFT FOR SOME ARCHITECTURE.

BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT IS INSURMOUNTABLE.

LIKE IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY AS, AS THE COMMISSION THAT IT NEEDS TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

UM, YOU

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NO.

FLAT WALL.

ANY OF THOSE THINGS OR, UM, POSSIBLE OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DON'T LIKE THE TRAIL.

YOU DON'T LIKE THE JEALOUS? NO, BUT ONE OF MANY.

SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I THINK REALLY.

WELL, IT MATTERS.

IT'S A PART OF THE PART OF THE VOTE.

I MEAN WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET.

I DON'T THINK ANYTHING'S GONNA GROW UP THERE.

I THINK YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE LIKE THESE WOOD SLATS THAT ARE GONNA GET MOLD ON 'EM.

WELL, I AGREE THE UPPER PART IS DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO, BUT THE LOWER PART I THINK THERE'S, IT, IT, IT COULD AND IT, YOU KNOW, GROIN IS NOT GONNA TAKE THAT LONG TO DO THAT, THAT LOWER PART.

BUT THE UPPER PART, YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE METAL IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.

I THINK OPENING UP THAT WOULD LOOK NICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

I AGREE.

I I LIKE THAT MOVE.

I DON'T MIND THE TRELLIS OVER THE BALCONY LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY STRONG THOUGHTS ON THE PARAPET WALL OR THE LACK OF PARAPET WALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE? IT DOES, IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME.

UH, I THINK, I MEAN I THINK TIM HAS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY.

I THINK THE REALITY IS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU LIKE LOOKING AT THIS PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA SEE THEM IN CONNECTION.

UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PERSPECTIVE.

YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET OR ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU CAN'T SURE.

THIS IS THIS ONE PERSPECTIVE.

I MEAN, YEAH, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO THAT ARE THERE ARE RELATED TO THE PORCHES IS, THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

LIKE I SAID, IT FEEL LIKE IT'S DOESN'T FEEL BALANCED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, WE SEE A PICTURE OF THE ACTUAL LOT WHERE IT'S BEING BUILT ON OF THAT.

IT WAS LIKE A ACTUAL PICTURE PHOTO TO SHOW 'EM HOW CLOSE THEY IS.

AND IT'S THAT BUILDING RIGHT THERE YEP.

IS GONNA BE JUST, I DON'T KNOW, YOU'D BUILD A PARAPET WALL FOR IT HAS IT ON THAT RIGHT SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT'S BEING BUILT THERE.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT WITH THAT BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT.

WELL, I I THINK HE'S SAYING IF YOU PUT IT HERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.

'CAUSE IT'S LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THAT OTHER BUILDING.

YOU SEE THAT IT'S THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

I MEAN WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON THE STREET LOOKING STRAIGHT ON AT IT, GO TO THE STREET VIEW RIGHT THERE, YOU DO NOTICE IT BECAUSE IT'S THERE IN THAT YEAH.

YOU SEE THAT HIGH.

I MEAN YOU SEE THE ROOF NO MATTER WHAT.

I MEAN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT UP THERE.

ALL YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS LIKE THE TOP PIECE OF THE GABLE BECAUSE THAT THIS WHOLE HIP ROOF STOREFRONT ELEMENT IS IN THE FOREGROUND.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE, THE THICKNESS OF THE SMASHING WALL, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT ABOVE THE ROOF.

I MEAN WHAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE EITHER.

IF YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

I, I JUST, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COMMITTING TO BUILDING THIS OUT OF LIKE 16 INCH CMU.

WHICH IS GONNA BE PRETTY NICE FOR THOSE TWO FACES AND TRYING TO THINK IT THROUGH BEFORE REQUIRING THEM TO BUILD IT ON A THIRD.

I I MEAN IS THAT, THAT'S, IS THAT THE, THERE WASN'T A DETAIL OF IT.

UDO REQUIRES IT, IF YOU HAVE TABBY STUCCO, IT HAS TO BE ON MASONRY CONSTRUCTION.

SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTO, UH, IN FACT I GOT A CALL FROM MY CLIENT WHO LIVES BEHIND THIS AND SAID, WOW, WHAT IS THAT ? UH, THERE, THERE'S ALMOST DONE, THERE'S THE BLOCK WALL.

UM, NOW, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS BIG WHEN THERE'S NO FRAME YOU CAN GO BY NOW.

YOU, YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT.

BUT, UM, THAT'S THE TAVI STUCCO WALL THERE.

AND SO THAT ONE IS RIGHT UP, IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET.

SO THERE'S ABOUT 10 FEET AND CHANGE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? UM, I GOT COMMENTS BEYOND THAT.

ARE WE BEYOND THAT? SURE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE.

UM, THIS IS A GOOD ELEVATION.

UM, ON THE PORCH ELEVATION THERE.

WHY IS THAT OVERHANG SO MUCH? IS THERE A BRACKET THERE? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PORCH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, WE HAVE ACTUALLY PULLED THAT BACK IN THE MODEL WHEN IT GOT SUBMITTED AND WE DID OUR QA.

SO IT'S THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT IS GOING TO ALIGN WITH THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT THAT'S BEYOND, IS THAT TRUE FOR THE SHED ROOF ON THE SIDE OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE AS WELL? THOSE TWO, THOSE 2 4 12 ROOFS LOOK LIKE YOU WERE KIND OF TAKING A DETAILING FROM THE UH, YEAH, WE, WE TIP ROOF, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE NOT.

EXTENDED, BUT IT'S NOT, I THINK THOSE WERE SHOWING LIKE FIVE FEET.

FOUR FOOT OVERHANG.

SO WHAT IS IT? IT'LL BE, I THINK IT COMES OUT TO 32 INCHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN IT'S STILL

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THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE OTHER FASCIA.

SO THAT FASCIA'S OFF WALL ALIGN, THINK THAT THEY WERE DIMENSION THREE FEET IN THE ROOF PLAN.

THAT THAT'S NOT THREE FEET.

SO THIS IS, THIS ISN'T SHOWING THAT THREE FEET.

THIS IS SHOWING SOMETHING MORE.

THAT GOT PULLED BACK.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S DIMENSION.

FOUR FEET, THREE FOOT 11.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, THE TROUBLE SCREEN THAT YOU SEE THERE, SHOULD THAT REMAIN ON THE SECOND FLOOR? LEFT SIDE ELEVATION ON THE FRONT? YEAH, I, I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT, YEAH, THAT WHOLE, THIS WHOLE SIDE OF THE PORCH SHOULD REALLY BE MORE OPEN.

I MEAN WHAT'S THE CONCERN IS JUST SEEING THE STAIR.

AGAIN, IT IS PROVIDED, I MEAN IT'S NOT WHOLLY UM, SOLID SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GET A HINT OF THE STAIR, BUT YOU KNOW, WOOD STAIRS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT PARTS AND THE PIECES.

UH, I'D BE FINE REMOVING ON THE UPPER END.

SO YOU COULD, AGAIN, MAYBE WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL EVEN EXTEND THE RAILING UP HIGH TO SIT ON TOP OF THE BEAM SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE THE PORCH WRAPS AROUND THE WHOLE SIDE THERE.

I THINK COULD BE A NICE LOOK.

AND THEN KIND OF LET THE, IT IS OPEN ON THE RIGHT HAND BASE SO WHEN YOU COME OUT, THERE'S A LITTLE COURTYARD GARDEN TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT ENTRY THERE.

UM, BUT UP TOP WE COULD EASILY REMOVE IT AND JUST PUT THE HANDRAIL GOING ACROSS THE WHOLE THING.

SO I THINK THAT'LL BE BETTER.

YEAH, I THINK LIKE DOING IT ON THE FRONT, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT ON THE SIDE.

GETTING FREE DESIGN CRITIQUE AND YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD FEEL BETTER ON THE LOWER PIECE JUST TO HAVE THAT BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE LIKE THAT AREA UNDER THE STAIRS OPEN INSTEAD OF CREATING A SPACE BETWEEN THE STAIRS.

I THINK SEE ALL THE MESSINESS OF THE RAILINGS THOUGH GOING UP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING A RAILING HIGH UP TOO.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET, I THINK THAT SIMPLIFIES HAVING THAT, THAT BASE LEAVING THAT.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A, A, A GUARD OR SOMETHING.

'CAUSE BY COMMERCIAL CODE WE CAN'T GET UNDER THE STAIR ANYWAY, SO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CRIME THERE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

THOSE GUARD BASICALLY.

CANE RAIL AND YOU DON'T WANT THOSE COLUMNS TO GO ALL THE WAY UP.

IT WANTS TO HAVE THAT BREAK, BUT I THINK JUST TAKING OFF THAT TOP PROBABLY WORKS.

IT'LL PRETTY MUCH LOOK LIKE, ALMOST LIKE THE LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE CONNECTOR.

JUST HAVE THE HANDRAIL GOING ACROSS THE SIDE THERE.

UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH.

SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE, THE RAILING ON THAT? I, NOT A LOT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RAILING AND THE HEADER OF THAT.

IS THERE A REASON WE CAN BRING THAT DOWN, BUT BETWEEN THE HEADER AND THE RAILING AND THE, THE UM, STAIRS, THE REAR STAIRS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONLY LIKE TWO OR THREE FEET IS THE REASON THAT'S SO HIGH.

COULD YOU BRING THAT DOWN? SO THE LANDING, THE LANDINGS DOWN, UH, PAINTING IS WAY DOWN THERE.

MAYBE 36 INCH, 42, WHATEVER GOING EASY.

42.

BUT YEAH, BUT THERE, THERE'S ONLY, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO OR THREE FEET.

YOU HAVE TO GO TO THAT SECTION.

GO THAT.

YEAH, THERE WE GO.

I MEAN, SO, UH, I THINK SET AT THE TOP LANDING, SO WE COULD MAYBE PULL THAT DOWN TO THE INTERIM LANDING AT THE CORNERS.

'CAUSE THEY'RE EQUAL THERE.

GOT, YEAH, I THINK THAT'LL MAKE THAT FEEL BETTER.

I JUST, IT FEELS TOO CONDENSED.

YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT DOWN TO A LINE WITH THE CORNER LANDING.

PROBABLY GIVE YOU, WAS IT EIGHT? UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

YOU SHOULD PROBABLY DROP IT 30 INCHES OR SO.

WHAT IS THE INTERIOR HANDRAIL IN THE, FOR THE REST OF THE STAIRS? IS IT KEEPING WITH THAT SAME MOTIF OR? SO THE, THE, YOU SEE IT IN SECTION, IT'S SHOWN AS KIND OF LIKE A PIPE RAIL.

YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S A GRASP RAIL, LIKE A HANDRAIL GOING UP THE STAIRS.

BUT WE'VE, THE GUARD RAIL BASICALLY INCREASE THE, THE SCREENING.

YOU CAN SEE THE, THE KIND OF SLAT SCREENING THERE.

SO YOU KIND CAN'T CRAWL BACK IN THERE.

NO, BUT THE, THE GUARDRAIL ON THE SIDE, NOT JUST THE HANDRAIL, BUT YEAH.

LOOKS LIKE A GUARDRAIL DESIGN.

OH YEAH.

AND THAT'S THE, DOES THAT MATCH IT? WOULD IT BE THAT THE DIAGONAL, UH, WE DID IT PARALLEL, UM, JUST SO WE DIDN'T END UP WITH A LOT OF ODD SHAPES.

UM, BUT SAME MATERIAL WE CAN LOOK AT SAME, SAME CONSTRUCTION, SAME CONSTRUCTION, PARALLEL APPROACH.

AND YOU'D PROBABLY PICK UP THAT SAME DETAIL AT THE TOP LANDING THEN.

THAT BUTTON, BUT IT SCARES ME.

SO WE WOULD TAKE, THERE IS A GOOD, YEAH, KEEP WANTING TO HIT

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I THINK IT'S GONNA TURN IT OFF.

UM, SO RATHER THAN LINING UP WITH THE SECOND FLOOR, WE CAN PULL THAT DOWN AND LINE IT WITH THAT UM, CORNER LANDING.

THAT'LL GIVE YOU THE KIND OF, SO THE BOTTOM WOULD BE ON THAT LANDING.

WOULD IT BE AT THE LOWER LANDING OR WOULD IT BE AT THE, THE NEXT THAT LANDING THAT'S CUT THROUGH THE ONE BEYOND IT.

WHICH I THINK WILL GIVE YOU A, A GOOD PROPORTION.

I THINK THAT'D BE MUCH BETTER WITH THAT HEADER.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT TWO FEET BETWEEN THERE.

YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.

I FEEL LIKE THE OTHER SIDE, IT'LL ALSO DETACH THE UH, BELLY BAND AND FURTHER THAT THE CONNECTOR AND THE CARRIAGE HOUSE ARE A SEPARATE STRUCTURE.

NOW WHAT IS THE MATERIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S HOLDING UP THAT RAILING? IS THAT BOARD AND BATTEN? YOU GO TO THAT.

GO TO THAT SIDE.

GO TO SIDE VIEW DRAWING THIS ONE.

NO, THAT'S A HECK.

ONE MORE SIDE.

THERE YOU GO.

SO WHAT IS THAT? IT'S A HARD'S, A HARDY PANEL.

CEMENTITIOUS PANEL.

WE MIGHT END UP HAVING A SIMILAR DETAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IF WE END UP WITH A SMALL GAP BETWEEN THAT AND THE LANDING.

WE MAY END UP WHINING IT UP TO MATCH THAT.

MY HUNCH IS THAT THAT'S, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT BUT HAVE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SIMILAR PROPORTIONS TO THAT ON THE SERVICE YARD SIDE, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE NICE.

YEAH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT ELEMENT THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE ELSE THAT MATERIAL.

YEAH, IT WAS YOU USE STUCCO OR SOMETHING.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS PROJECT THERE.

USE STUCCO.

UM, WE COULD ADD THE LIKE ON THE LITTLE, YOU CAN SEE IT HERE.

UM, AND AT THE CORNER ELEMENT WE ADDED THE VERTICAL, UM, KIND OF THREE INCH EXPOSURE, UM, BUTT BOARD IN THE PANEL.

I THINK THAT'S BETTER.

'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER COMMENT IS THE OTHER SIDE.

THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT SHOWS UP IS JUST THAT.

YES, IT'S THERE AND IT'S ON THE LITTLE, UH, KIND OF BUMPED, UH, BAY, BUT WE COULD RATHER THAN JUST A FLAT PANEL, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT JUST MAKE IT START CONTRAST BETWEEN ONE OF THE HPRC COMMENTS.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT OR YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BAYS OR ON THE OTHER, THE BIG BUMP OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THE BIG BUMP OUT AND THEN RIGHT THERE.

WHAT IS THE, CAN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE? SORRY, WHAT? YEAH, WHAT IS THAT IN THE PANELS IS IS A BUTT BOARD THREE INCH EXPOSURE.

HARDY.

AND WHAT'S THE OTHER, THAT'S WHAT EXPOSURE THAT THAT BUTT BOARDS.

IT'S THE LARGER EXPOSURE THAT'S ALL ON THE GARAGE BUMP.

THAT'S A BUTT BOARD WITH LARGER EXPOSURE.

SO IF YOU WANTED US TO ADD THAT TO THIS WHERE AND THE PANELS AT THE CONNECTOR, WE COULD UM, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON IT.

THE AREN'T ANYWHERE ELSE.

YOU, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY REVIEW COLORS, BUT IT'S SHADED.

ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING TO LIKE IT'S JUST COLOR BLOCK THAT PIECE THAT'S JUST NO, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT.

THIS IS ALL GONNA BE PRETTY MONOLITHIC.

THAT'S JUST THE GRAPHICS AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME BEING A PANEL.

I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A HYPHEN BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES, NOT THE YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE PANELS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE V THE VERTICAL IN IT MAKES IT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER SIDE.

IT'S THE VERTICAL, THE BAY WITH THE VERTICAL SIDING ON IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I MEAN HE HAS THIS HERE, THOSE ARE SMALL AND THAT'S DIFFERENT DETAILS.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE, THE PANEL ITSELF BOTHER ME IS THAT IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYWHERE ELSE.

IT'S JUST A NEW DETAIL AND .

BUT I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS YOU MIGHT GET THAT DETAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN THEY BRING THE HANDRAIL DOWN.

JAMES, CAN YOU GO TO THE UH, RIGHT ELEVATION THAT A SHED ROOF ON THE GARAGE? YEAH.

AND IT'S VERTICAL SIDING AND IT'S THE ONLY PLACE FOR LIKE, THAT'S WHAT YOUR ISSUE IS? YEAH.

I MEAN IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST ANOTHER MATERIAL WHERE THERE AND IT DOESN'T SHOW UP.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS.

UM, I MEAN WE COULD, I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

WHATEVER YOU ALL, WE CAN JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE HORIZONTAL AND NOT MAKE MORE OF IT THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.

UM, THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WAS THIS KIND OF SHED BUMP UNIQUE TO THE CARRIAGE HOUSE, BUT UM, HONESTLY, SOMETIMES SIMPLER IS THE BETTER.

SO I MEAN WE COULD KEEP IT LIKE IT IS.

UH, WE COULD GO TO A HORIZONTAL, UM, TO MATCH THE, JUST MAKE IT ALL THE SAME.

THERE'S AN IN VERTICAL IN THESE PANELS.

YEAH, THEY'RE SMALLER EXPOSURE THOUGH.

IT'S A DIFFERENT DETAIL.

THAT'S A SMALL,

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BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE WIDER EXPOSURE.

AREN'T THOSE HORIZONTAL? AND THESE VERTICAL, THESE ARE ALL HORIZONTAL, BUT THESE PANELS ARE ALL HORIZONTAL.

IT'S JUST A TIGHTER EXPOSURE ON IT.

YOU MEAN VERTICAL? THEY'RE ALL VERTICAL, YES.

DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME EITHER.

ADDITION LATER ON THEY DIDN'T HAVE HORIZONTAL, SO THEY SIDE.

WELL, I LIKE IT.

LIKE I SAID, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT ONLY SHOWS UP THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT HELPS IF YOU LEVERAGE THAT PANEL DETAILING IN THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND HAVING THAT VERTICAL SIDING GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AROUND THE WINDOWS AND HAVE THOSE PANELS.

AND THEN THOSE PANELS ARE ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

ALRIGHT.

AND UH, ON THE, UH, HIP ROOF ELEMENT WHERE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE WINDOWS AND THAT'S ALL PANELED TOO AND ALL THOSE PIECES HAVE METAL ROOFS ON 'EM, I THINK IT STARTS TO BUILD SOME CONSISTENCY.

YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE THOSE.

CORRECT.

SO WE'LL TAKE THAT PANEL DETAIL THAT SHOWS UP HERE ON THE CONNECTOR AND INTEGRATE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE.

SO IT REALLY DOES CREATE A STRONGER HYPHEN BETWEEN THE TWO MM-HMM .

LIKE IT DOES HERE.

YEP.

I I THINK THAT WILL WORK.

OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I JUST GOT ONE MORE COMMENT.

JUST QUESTION.

UM, THE WINDOW.

SO THE WINDOW IN THOSE PARAPETS, I MEAN THOSE ARE GONNA BE RECESS, CORRECT? YES.

THE FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN SHOWS THAT IT'S OUTWARD, BUT IT WILL BE SET BACK IN THAT WALL.

IT WILL BE SET BACK AND I'LL HAVE TO SHOW, GET SOME REALLY GREAT, FEEL LIKE A PUNCTURE IN THE WALL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

UM, WELL THE, I THINK THE, JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT THE STAFF COME AS WELL.

MATT, THE BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENT ON THE FRONT, THAT 1910 DIMENSION TYPO ON OUR, CLEAN THAT UP.

IS IT 23? THIS IS OUR LIST OF THREE THINGS.

WE, WE HANDLED THE ALUMINUM HANDRAILS.

WE HAD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE PARAPET WALL.

AND THERE WAS A, THE THIRD THING WAS THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

IS THERE A REASON THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSIDERED STOREFRONT WINDOWS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? THE UDS IS A RETAIL STOREFRONT AND THIS IS NOT A RETAIL BUSINESS.

IT IS AN EMPTY TENANT SPACE.

SO DOES IT, AND THAT, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT JUST, I WASN'T COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT AND I FELT THAT DETERMINATION, IT'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S RETAIL, WE DUNNO WHAT IT'S YET, BUT IT COULD BE RETAIL.

IT'S EITHER GONNA BE A BUSINESS OR RETAIL.

THOSE ARE THE TWO APPROVED USES.

SO, SO YOU WANT US TO FLAG IT AND HAVE DISCUSSION.

SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, I, I THINK IT COMPLIES WITH THE STOREFRONT SIZE AND THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROPORTIONATE.

THE WINDOWS ARE PROPORTIONATE TO THE REST OF THE WINDOWS.

THEY'RE NOT OUTTA SCALE WITH ANYTHING.

AND THE MONTHLY PATTERNS BREAK IT DOWN.

NICE.

AND I, I THINK IT ADDS TO THE FEATURE OF THE BUILDING.

WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE SPECIFICALLY CORNER, THE QUAD GLASS, THE BIG ONE'S ON THE FRONT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, RIGHT? THE TWO, THE TWO LEVEL ONES.

THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM ARE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE RIGHT.

A STOREFRONT WINDOW.

THEY'RE EVERY SIZE BIGGER.

THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM TOP.

I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

YEAH, I THINK SCALE, RIGHT? APPROPRIATE.

THE APPLICANT.

YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A MOTION WITH SEVERAL ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

FEELING CONFIDENT TO MAKE THAT MOTION.

GIMME A SECOND.

CAN I, CAN I JUST HAVE IT, ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS YOU'RE SEEING ON HERE? LIKE ACTUAL SECTIONS THROUGH THE FRONT? WE ONLY HAVE TWO SECTIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE A SECTION OF WHAT THAT SLATS GONNA BE WITH THE, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A

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SECTION OF THE BAY.

THEY, THEY ARE NOTED AS THEY ARE KEYED ON THE PLAN, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY AREN'T IN THE PACKET.

I, I'D BE OKAY FOR STAFF LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.

YEAH, JUST EXAMPLE, TWO WALL SECTIONS.

PRETTY COMPLICATED BUILDING WHAT WE SUGGESTED BEFORE IS YOU CAN ADD, UH, THAT IT'S REQUIRED TO BE BY STAFF AND HPRC FOR THAT MM-HMM .

COMMISSION MEMBERS MAYBE.

I MEAN, THEY'VE CAPTURED THE BASIC EVE CONDITIONS.

THEY'RE THAT I ONE THROUGH THE FRONT, I MEAN THAT, THAT SCREEN IS, IS ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SLAT SLATS, RIGHT? YEAH.

I MEAN I THINK IT THERE, IT SORT OF SHOWS UP IN THAT RENDERING, BUT IF, I MEAN, WE CAN REQUIRE, I THINK THAT THAT BE REVIEWED BY YEAH.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOTED ON THE PLAN.

THEY'RE JUST NOT PROVIDED, THEY'RE KEYED ON THE PLANS.

THAT'S AN EASY ADD.

I THINK THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THAT BUMP OFF TOO DETAIL OF WHAT THAT IS THE PANELS.

I THINK IS ALSO, IF YOU CAN GO TO THAT, IF YOU GO TO THE PLAN, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY KEYED ON THERE TOO.

I WOULD MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE, UM, DETERMINATIONS THAT THE HPC HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FRONT PORCH LOCATION BEHIND THE PARAPET WALL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE UDO.

THAT THE ALUMINUM HANDRAIL IS AN APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL AND THAT THE FIXED FRAME WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS.

UM, AND WITH THE REMAINING STAFF COMMENTS, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, AND 15 INCLUDED.

UM, AND WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE MISSING DETAILS BE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND, UM, THE THREE MEMBER, UM, HPRC, I BELIEVE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MORE.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE REMOVING UPDATES? OKAY, YEAH, I'VE GOT THAT WRITTEN THERE.

UM, AND THAT, UH, NO FLAT WALL, UH, TRELLIS BE PROVIDED AT THE, UH, TOP LANDING OF THE PORCHES, UM, AND ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE SIDE OF THE STAIR PORCH AT THE SECOND FLOOR.

UM, AND AT THE VERTICAL BOARDS IN THE PANELS BE INCLUDED ON THE COURTYARD FACE OF THE STAIRS AND DROP THE RAILING AND THAT THE YEAH.

RAILING BE DROPPED ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION TO THE LEVEL APPROPRIATE FOR THE MID LANDING ON, ON THE CONNECTOR.

AND THAT THE OVERHANG ON THE REAR FACING PORCH BE REDUCED TO, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HIP ROOF, UH, DETAIL ON THE BAY TOO.

THIS COURT DISTRICT MONTHLY UPDATE.

AND ON THE BAY, ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE BAY GOT ALL THAT.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO LISTEN OKAY.

WHEN I WRITE THE LETTER, BUT THAT'S FINE.

A SECOND TO OUR PIECEMEAL MOTION.

I'LL SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION APPROVE.

THANK YOU GUYS HAVE DISCUSSION FOR

[VIII.1. Historic District Monthly Update. (Staff)]

ALL RIGHT.

IT LOOKS TO BE A FAIRLY SLOW MONTH.

WE HAVE A, WELL, THREE SIGNS AND A RESIDENTIAL REROOF.

UM, ONE REVISION IS REQUIRED FOR A SIGN AND FOR SIX CALHOUN STREET.

AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION WHY THE REVISIONS ARE REQUIRED.

ANY QUESTIONS? UH, NO.

AND I DO WANNA ADD TODAY IS CARRIE'S LAST DAY WITH US? YES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE COMMISSION.

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NOW YOU'RE TASKED WITH FINDING YOUR REPLACEMENT .

JUST KIDDING.

DO YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THEN FOR YOUR LAST ONE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND, I'LL SECOND IT.

THANKS FOR WATCHING BEAUFORT COUNTY TV.

HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

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TODAY WE TAKE ANOTHER VERY POSITIVE STEP TOWARDS ACHIEVING THAT MISSION.

IT IS NOW MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME MR. BRIAN THOMAS, THE MANAGER OF DOMESTIC NETWORK PLANNING FOR OUR NEWEST AIRLINE PARTNER DELTA AIRLINES.

BRIAN, THANK YOU JOHN, AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

IT'S, UH, CERTAINLY A PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE IN HILLS HEAD WITH YOU TODAY.

UH, MY NAME'S BRIAN THOMAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND IT'S MY HONOR TO REPRESENT OVER 80,000 DELTA EMPLOYEES FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

AS AN ATLANTA NATIVE AVID GOLFER, UH, I'VE VISITED, UH, HILTON HEAD MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, SO THIS IS PARTICULARLY EXCITING FOR ME TO SHARE THIS GREAT NEWS.

BEGINNING MAY 23RD, DELTA WILL LAUNCH THREE TIMES DAILY SERVICE FROM OUR HUB IN ATLANTA, THE LARGEST AIRLINE HUB IN THE WORLD.

IN ADDITION, BEGINNING JUNE 8TH, WE'LL START SATURDAY ONLY SERVICE FROM OUR HUBS AT NEW YORK'S LAGUARDIA AIRPORT.

WITH SERVICE FROM EACH OF THESE HUBS, DELTA WILL OFFER CONVENIENT CONNECTIVITY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD.

FROM BOTH THE LAND AND LAGUARDIA, WE WILL OPERATE ON AN EMBRAER ONE 70 AIRCRAFT.

THIS AIRCRAFT FEATURES, UH, DIRECT ALL ACCESS, UM, MEANING NO MIDDLE SEATS WITH THE ADDITIONAL HILTON HEAD SERVICE.

DELTA WILL SERVE FIVE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT SOUTH CAROLINA, COMPLIMENTING CHARLESTON, COLUMBIA, MYRTLE BEACH, AND GREENVILLE SPARTANBURG.

ON BEHALF OF THE DELTA FAMILY, WE LOOK FORWARD.

UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO JOINING THE COMMUNITY AND BRINGING YOU DELTA'S AWARD-WINNING CUSTOMER SERVICE AND INDUSTRY LEADING OPERATIONAL RELIABILITY.

AND NOW IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE OUR MAYOR, MAYOR JOHN MCCANN.

I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

UH, THANK YOU JOHN.

I CAN SEE YOU.

GOOD MORNING.

MORNING.

MORNING DID WHEN I BECAME MAYOR AND HE TOLD ME ONE OF MY JOBS WAS INTRODUCING EVERYBODY AND THEN GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.

OKAY, SO WE'LL SLOT WITH THAT.

BRIAN, GOOD TO MEET YOU.

GLAD YOU'RE HERE LONG NIGHT AND WELCOME HOME.

BACK? EXCUSE ME? WHEN IS DELTA GONNA COME BACK TO ATLANTA? WHEN'S DELTA GONNA BE HERE? AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY TODAY DELTA IS HERE.

WELCOME BACK TO THE AIRPORT HERE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT JOHN RUMBEL, HE'S, HE'S A ROCKSTAR.

HE'S PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, JOHN.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BECOME THE VOICE OF THE FACE OF THE AIRPORT.

AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALONG THE WAY.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE AIRPORT BOARD OFFICIALS AS SOME OF THEM HERE.

AND I THANK YOU CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

UH, BILL MILES IS HERE.

BILL, THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS MORNING, UH, FROM THE TOWN.

WE HAVE, UH, UH, STEVE RILEY, OUR TOWN MANAGER, DAVID AMES, BILL HAWKINS HERE THIS MORNING, UH, FROM THE COUNTY.

MY NEW FRIEND LARRY, WE TOGETHER LAST NIGHT, AND AGAIN TODAY, LARRY, GOOD BEING WITH YOU ALONG THE WAY.

UM, AND IF I MISS ANYBODY ELSE, I APOLOGIZE.

BUT, UH, EVERYBODY ELSE WELCOME HERE.

WE'RE GLAD Y'ALL CAN MAKE IT.

I PICK UP THIS CALL FROM BILL, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHERE I GOT IT FROM.

UH, I, YOU KNOW, I'M JOHN MCCANN, THE MAYOR OF THE NUMBER ONE ISLAND IN, IN THE COUNTRY.

AND I, I MUST SAY THAT FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, THE ONE THING I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE CITIZENS IS, WHEN IS DELTA COMING

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DELTA IS BACK WHERE IT BELONGS, AND WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE THEM HERE ALONG THE WAY.

BRIAN, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I MEAN, DELTA REACHES DESTINATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

THE DELTA BEING BACK HERE WILL BE GREAT FOR OUR ECONOMY.

IT WILL BE GREAT FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE VISITORS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A LONG, LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH DELTA.

UH, THIS AIRPORT IS ONE OF THE KEY ASSETS OF THE ISLANDS, UH, AND THE, AS THE AIRPORT HERE, WHEN I FIRST STARTED COMING HERE IN 1988, THERE WAS A LITTLE BUILDING AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU WALKED OUTSIDE AND THE METAL DETECTOR WAS IN THE STREET.

SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT IN A BUILDING LIKE THIS.

HERE, UH, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE AIRPORT IS WELL MANAGED.

THE PEOPLE IN HILTON HEAD ARE A GREAT, GREAT, UH, COMMUTER.

UH, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE, BRIAN.

AND, UH, WE THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, THE, THE MAYOR MENTIONED BILL MILES, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS KIND OF GOOD NEWS WITHOUT THE STEADFAST SUPPORT OF OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND VISITOR CONVENTION BUREAU.

SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE BILL UP TO THE PODIUM TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

THANKS, BILL.