Dec 02, 2024 Planning Commission

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THIS REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER UNIVERSAL LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.

OKAY. GOYA HAS BEEN PUBLISHED FOR UP APPROVAL HAS NO AGENDA ANYBODY

[5. APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

THIS IS THE TIME WHEN WE ALLOW CITIZENS TO SPEAK FOR UP TO 3 MINUTES ON NON AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS TIME. SO IF YOU HAD SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY FOR THAT 3 MINUTES I DON'T HAVE ANY UP HERE BEEN FORWARDED ME SO I DON'T KNOW OKAY HARRINGTON YES, BUT MR. CHAIR, DO WE STILL NEED TO APPROVE THE OCTOBER MINUTE? OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I JUMPED OVER THAT. I DID? YES. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING. YEAH.

[4. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – October 7, 2024]

[7. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP FOR 49.16 ACRES (R600 029 000 0005 0000, R600 029 000 0143 0000, R600 029 000 1194 0000, R600 029 000 0002 0000, R600 029 000 008A 0000, R600 029 000 008C 0000, R600 029 000 0006 0000, R600 029 000 0026 0000) LOCATED ON OKATIE HIGHWAY FROM T2 RURAL (T2R) TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE (C3)]

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS APPLICATION BEFORE YOU JUST TO GIVE YOU I GUESS JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AMENDMENT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT ITS JULY 2024 MEETING AND AT THAT TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF BASICALLY TOOK ACTION TO OR AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO DEFER ACTION THIS ITEM UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO DEFER UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE STAFF IS IF DID ANOTHER DEFERRAL THAT WE GO AHEAD AND POST THE PROPERTY AGAIN AND NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS. SO ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND I WANTED TO BEGIN SIMPLY BY SAYING THAT APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH EXCEPTION TO A PRESENTATION YOU'LL BE HEARING ABOUT A PROPOSAL FOR 24 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FOR VETERANS. THIS IS THE SAME APPLICATION SAW LAST SUMMER SO IT IS I WILL JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER AND THEN I CAN GO OVER OUR STAFF COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATION OKAY SO THIS PIECE PROPERTY THIS IS BASICALLY A MAKING UP A TOTAL OF 49.16 ACRES LOCATED ROUGHLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY. IT'S KIND OF BOUNDED BY BLUFFTON PARKWAY 170 DAVIS ROAD AND THEN RIVER RIDGE, YOU KNOW THE ROAD THAT GOES TO RIVER RIDGE ACADEMY. THERE IS AN AREA HERE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THERE'S KIND OF A LITTLE LEGACY OF RURAL ZONED PROPERTY AND THIS AREA BOUNDED BY THIS FOUR SIDES IS BASICALLY MAKES UP ABOUT 112 ACRES BUT ALL OF 29 PARCELS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE ZONING OF EIGHT OF THOSE 29 MAKING UP APPROXIMATELY 49 ACRES.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CONGLOMERATIONS OF PROPERTIES.

ONE THAT IS CLOSE TO THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH THE OF BLUFFTON NORTHERN BORDER OF THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTIES IS FURTHER NORTH

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SO IT'S A VERY LOW DENSITY RURAL ZONING AS HE SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO THAT ALLOWS IT'S PRIMARILY A SUBURBAN DISTRICT WITH SOME ALLOWANCES FOR SOME HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT A CONVENTIONAL FAMILY SUBDIVISION THE DENSITY WOULD BE 2.6 UNITS PER ACRE SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY YOU KNOW, MAYBE SEVEN OR EIGHT FOLD INCREASE IN THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY WITH A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. IT DOES ALLOW IF SOMEBODY THEY COULD CHOOSE TO A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN THAT ALLOWS TOTAL DENSITY OF UP TO 3.5 DWELLINGS PER ACRE THE NORTHERN OF THESE PARCELS QUALIFIES AS FAR AS THE MINIMUM AREA AND THEN ALSO THERE IS SOME ALLOWANCES FOR MULTIFAMILY AT 12 UNITS PER ACRE BUT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS CAPPED AT 80 UNITS. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A ROUGH IDEA, IT'S MEANT TO BE PRIMARILY A RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN WITH SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR HIGHER DENSITY YOU KNOW WITH SOME MULTIFAMILY THERE'S A KIND OF A CAP OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF A HISTORY OF THE REQUEST AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. LET'S SEE. SO YOU KNOW, IN REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION I WILL SAY THAT I APOLOGIZE I'VE LOST MY PLACE HERE.

OKAY. SORRY. SO THE ONE BIG CHANGE THAT COME FORWARD SINCE THE LAST TIME THE OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAW THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THE DEVELOPER THEY HAVE WORKED TO FIND OUT THE WAY TO DEVELOP 24 AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR VETERANS AND THEY WILL GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT AND HOW THAT WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY AND SO THAT IS A BIG CHANGE AS FAR AS THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER IS ACTIVELY SEEKING FOR THE SITE AND FROM THE I GUESS WAY THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FUTURE. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO KNOW THAT THE THE ZONING THE IN AND OF ITSELF THAT CANNOT BE ATTACHED TO THE AMENDMENT. HOWEVER IS THAT IS THIS MOVES TO COUNCIL THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH COUNTY COUNCIL AND WITH THAT INSTRUMENT. THEN THAT OPENS UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO YOU KNOW FOR THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO SAY OH WHAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THIS REZONING? WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THEN THEN AT THAT POINT INTO THE DETAILS OF HOW THIS AFFORDABLE WOULD BE EVERYTHING FROM THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO THE WAY THEY WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY, THE WAY THE AFFORDABILITY WOULD BE TRACKED, ALL OF THAT BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THAT TOOL OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS AND YOU'LL BE HEARING ABOUT THAT FROM THE APPLICANT BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION AND THAT IS YOU'RE WEIGHING THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, THE APPROPRIATE WAY IN MOVING FORWARD IS TO SAY WE YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A FACTOR IN LET'S SAY THE SUPPORTS OR YOU KNOW HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE A CONDITION ATTACHED THAT WE SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION IF THE DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO WORK WITH COUNCIL ON A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO ESTABLISH X NUMBER OF UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING .

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE SAYING YOU'RE KIND OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IN SAYING THE COUNCIL WE THIS IF YOU GO AHEAD AND TAKE THESE EXTRA WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS THAT IN STAFF REVIEWING THIS DEVELOPMENT THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR REZONING STILL REMAIN IN PLACE

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THE PROPERTIES ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONCERNS.

I THINK THE SECOND ONE THAT WE HAD MENTIONED IN THE PAST THE MAP HAS THIS IS A HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY. THIS IS COMING IN AS C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

NOW I WILL MENTION THAT PROPERTY THAT IS ZONED C THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE THERE IS A STAFF LEVEL OF PROCEDURE CALLED A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN FOLLOW AND STILL COME YOU KNOW MEET THIS OVERALL GOAL OF A HAMLET PLACE TYPE. BUT ONCE AGAIN THAT'S NOT THAT COULD BE A CONDITION OF THE REZONING. IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT PLANNING WE'RE KIND OF LIKE SAYING WELL IF WE SUPPORT THIS AND WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AS WELL YOU KNOW, IF THE IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN.

SO THERE'S THERE'S THAT ISSUE. WELL AND I WILL SAY WE'RE STILL CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAVE LANDED IS BEING UP SOON THAT ADJOINS THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON AND IT REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SOUTHERNMOST PROPERTY IS BEING UP SOON TO BE VERY CLOSELY COORDINATED WITH THE LAND AT THE INTERSECTION OF BLUFFTON AND 170 THAT IS IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON JURISDICTION ESPECIALLY RESPECT TO ACCESS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SEPARATION OF INTERSECTIONS AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT ON 170 AND SO THE MORE THAT THINGS ARE INTERCONNECTED THAT ALLOWS FOR MORE PATTERN DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVES THE CAPACITY OF OUR ROAD NETWORK. SO IN KEVIN DID YOU WANT TO ABOUT THE TIRE AT THIS POINT? OKAY. SO I'LL HAVE KEVIN SPEAK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT STEPHAN STRASSER.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YOU SAID THERE IS INELIGIBLE COMPONENT FOR A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN. YES. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I KNOW WHAT PART OF THAT. SO SO BASICALLY IF A PROPERTY IS ZONED SEE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS THE OPTION TO DO A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN SO THAT OPTIONS AVAILABLE THAT IF YOU'RE DOING A REZONING THERE'S NOTHING IN THE REZONING THAT PROVIDES ASSURANCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN EXCEPT THROUGH THE TOOL OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT TRADITIONAL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE BUT A COMMUNITY PLAN REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 80 ACRES OF 40 ACRES 48 YEAH. NEIGHBORHOOD TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN HAS A MINIMUM ACREAGE OF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 40 ACRES. OKAY SO THAT THAT PARCEL THERE THAT IS UP ON THE SCREEN THAT WOULD BE COULD COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN. OKAY. OKAY AND EVEN EVEN IN COMMISSION UNION YES. SO THIS PROJECT TRIGGERED AN IDEA AND CAN YOU TURN YOUR YES YES THIS THIS PROJECT TRIGGERED WHAT WE CALL A TIA SO WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS PERFORM A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY TO ACTUALLY PROVE THAT SITE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADVERSELY PAGS ADVERSELY AC 170 AND THE SURROUNDING ROAD NETWORK SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT THERE IS THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND THERE IS A COUPLE OF ACCESS POINTS ON ONE 7170 OF COURSE IS

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THE FIRST ACCESS POINT YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM THAT IS A RIGHT TURN LANE IN TO THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT AND IT MEETS SC CALLED WITH RESPECT TO THE LENGTH OF THE STORAGE IN THE TABLE THE STORAGE SO GUILFORD COUNTY ENGINEERING CONCURS WITH WHAT IS PROPOSED.

THE SECOND ACCESS POINT IS ON DAVIS ROAD THEY'RE PROPOSING A RIGHT TURN AND A LEFT TURN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN THERE'S NOT A CROWDING AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO WE HAD WE HAD A CONSULTANT LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION AND WE MADE SURE THAT WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED WAS ADEQUATE. SO WHEN WE CAME BACK FROM OUR ANALYSIS IT SAID THAT SIX FEET IS ENOUGH BUT THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY PROVIDING 70 TO 75 FEET SO BEFORE WE CAN CONCURS WITH THAT PARTICULAR ACCESS WELL HOW ABOUT SIGNALIZATION AT THAT INTERSECTION? YES, WE WE ALSO LOOKED THE SIGNALIZATION AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE SIGNALS SURROUNDING THE AREA DOES NOT GO BELOW A LEVEL OF SERVICE D SO THAT'S WITHIN OUR TIAA CODE . SO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE WOULDN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT THIS AROUND INTERSECTIONS TO A POINT THAT IT GOES BELOW A LEVEL OF SERVICE D AND THAT UNDERSTANDING ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO SIGNALIZATION ONTO 170? WELL THOSE ARE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT THOSE ARE RIGHT YOU THERE'S A YES RIGHT UP ON DAVIS ROAD. YOU MENTIONED THE LEFT HAND TURN RIGHT WHICH MEANS IT'S GOT A CROSS THE MEDIAN OF 172 GO LEFT. YES, TRAFFIC COMING 60 MILES AN HOUR EACH DIRECTION CORRECT IS . GOING TO BE A SIGNAL THERE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A SIGNAL THERE BECAUSE A ISN'T WARNED THERE.

SO WHEN WE DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY GENERATE ALL THE CHIRPS FROM THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND THEN HAVE TO DISPERSE THEM WE CALL IT ASSIGNED WE ASSIGN WHERE GO SO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRIPS WILL GO TO DAVIS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRIPS WILL GO TO 117 A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRIPS WILL GO TO THE BACK. SO BASED ON THE DISPERSION OF THE TRIPS WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS A FOR ACCESS BECAUSE ALL OF TRAFFIC WON'T BE GOING THERE WHICH MEANS THAT WHEN YOU GET THERE OF COURSE YOU WILL OF COURSE YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR GAPS BUT YOU WON'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS MANY CARS GOING TO THAT INTERSECTION. SO FOR LACK BETTER WORDS A CAR WILL PULL UP THERE AND THEN ANOTHER CAR PULL UP AND ANOTHER PULL UP.

BUT THE WAIT TIME IS NOT AS LONG. THERE WILL BE A GAP ON 170 BUT IT WON'T BE A SUPER LONG GAP BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE 20 CARS THERE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR CARS THERE TO TRY TO MAKE IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS BECAUSE ALL OF THE CARS ISN'T GOING TO DAVIS IS DISPERSED BETWEEN THREE DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NO SIGNAL IS WARRANTED THERE BECAUSE THE VOLUME TRAFFIC AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION ISN'T HIGH ENOUGH CURRENTLY. OKAY I MEAN YOU MEAN CURRENTLY? YEAH. NO NO NO NO THIS IS FUTURE TRAFFIC.

WE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE TRAFFIC. YEAH.

CAN I JUST A QUICK QUESTION OF THE SEVEN INTERSECTIONS THAT YOU'VE EVALUATED.

I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY NONE WERE GOING TO BE LESS THAN A LEVEL OF SERVICE D.

RIGHT. AND I'M NOT FROM IS HE ALSO CONSIDERED AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL AND IT'S BELOW EITHER IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE OR IS D OR LOWEST WELL WELL LEVEL SERVE THE IF IF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY A LEVEL SERVICE E AND THE PROJECT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT THEN THAT IS FACTORED INTO OUR EVALUATION. BUT IF THIS SITE BRING IN INTERSECTION FROM A LEVEL OF SERVICE BEAT LEVEL SERVICE D OR LEVEL SERVICE C TO A LEVEL SERVICE D I MEAN I MEAN BEYOND THE LEVEL SORT OF IS D THEN PER OUR IT IS SATISFACTORY YOU KNOW IF IT GOES BELOW THAT THEN WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM DURING OUR MEETINGS ABOUT HOW THEY MITIGATE THAT. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY DID REQUIRE AND HOW MANY OF THE SEVEN INTERSECTIONS DID YOU SEE A REDUCTION IN LEVEL OF SERVICE? IT WAS FEW. I WOULD HAVE TO BRING UP THE T I I DON'T HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT

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ONE MORE QUESTION YES SIR ARE ANY THESE IMPROVEMENTS INGRESS EGRESS TERMS BEING PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY NO, NO. THIS IS ALL DEVELOPER PAY IMPROVEMENTS.

YES, SIR. OKAY THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION.

I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL BELOW WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN THERE. YES. THAT'S CURRENTLY THE BE FUTURE . OH YEAH. DEVELOPMENT DOES THE TRAFFIC STUDY INCLUDE THAT AREA AS WELL FOR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT PUT THERE? YES. YES, WE WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN WOULD THERE BE AN EGRESS FROM THAT PARTICULAR UNDER 170? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION TONIGHT BUT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DISTANCES BECAUSE IT'S A REQUIREMENT AND THE SPACING IS ENCOURAGED TO BE AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE THOUGH BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE IS VERY CRITICAL TO US WE PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT IT VERY, VERY CLOSELY OKAY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD GET AWFULLY CLOSE TO WHERE BUCKWALTER EVERY SECTION IS THERE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT FOUR ACCESS POINTS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE. YEAH YEAH WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT VERY CLOSELY WE WE WOULD. OKAY THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO COME ON BACK. YEAH.

OKAY. WELL AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE NINE CRITERIA AND I WILL SAY THAT THREE OF THEM ARE RELATED TO THE ISSUE OF HABITABLE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS IS THAT YOU HAVE TWO AREAS UP ZONING SURROUNDED BY EXISTING LAND THAT IS REMAINING TOO RURAL WITH ON THOSE SITES AND YOU KNOW SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THIS IS REALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT WE RECOMMEND DID LAST SUMMER STEPH STILL RECOMMENDS DENIAL.

I WILL SAY THAT WE DO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND I'LL GET TO THAT AT THE OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

BUT YOU KNOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE MANOR THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING LAND.

AND YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW, A MORE INTEGRATED OR YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY LEVEL OF PLANNING WOULD BE NECESSARY. SO THIS AREA YOU THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT UP AND DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE. THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN A MORE A WAY THAT COULD REALLY BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL THE PARCELS IN THIS AREA VERSUS JUST A PORTION OF THEM.

WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO BLUFFTON IN YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A MAJOR COMMERCIAL AREA PROPOSED JUST THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THE BLUFFTON TO BE A MAJOR IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PARCELS AND WE DIRECT STAFF TO GO TO THE TOWN BUT OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN HAS BE WILLING TO WORK. YOU KNOW THERE HAS TO BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES TO ANNEX THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER APPROACH ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE QUESTION THAT YOU JUST RAISED WITH ACCESS ON 170 OF THAT PARCEL THE SOUTH PARCEL THAT OF THIS REZONING AND YOU KNOW SO THOSE ISSUES WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS UP ZONING AND BELIEVE IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE MANNER THAT THE CONFERENCE PLAN WOULD CALL FOR THIS AND DOESN'T ESPECIALLY DOESN'T MEET THREE OF OUR CRITERIA THAT PERTAIN TO COMPATIBILITY BUT WE DO I DO MENTION THE PROVISION OF 24 UNITS ADDRESSING THE MUCH NEEDED HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY FOR VETERANS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A GOAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE CREATION OF THOSE UNITS AND SO THAT WE YOU KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NEED TO WEIGH IN IN MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT.

AND IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES DECIDE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TO SEE THAT DEVELOPMENT OCCUR, THAT THAT COULD BE PART OF A

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SO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MENTIONED CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE VARIOUS PARCELS AND WITH THE THE RURAL HOMES PROPERTIES AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE IN BETWEEN THEM.

RIGHT. WHAT WOULD BE A MINIMAL LEVEL CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE IN ORDER TO THIS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL PLACE COMMUNITY? I MEAN THAT'S A HARD THING TO MEASURE THAT. I YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS AREA THIS APPROXIMATELY IT'S IT'S A HUNDRED ACRES IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE AREA BETWEEN DAVIS ROADS RIDGE BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND 170 SOME SORT OF AREA WIDE PLAN YOU KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN MAYBE BRINGING IN THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN IS I MEAN NOT EVERYONE WAS IS INTERESTED IN UP OWNING THEIR PROPERTY AT THIS POINT AND SO THAT CONNECTIVITY CAN'T BE PROVIDED EVEN WITH THE BEST INTENTIONS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE NOT NOT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IS ON BOARD SO THERE IS NO MINIMAL AMOUNT THAT YOU COULD IDENTIFY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF CONNECT. I MEAN THAT'S A HARD TO QUANTIFY. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE WHOLE HUNDRED ACRES TO BE INTEGRATED OR ANOTHER 20 ACRES YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PARCEL NUMBER EIGHT AND THE OTHER SEVEN PARCELS. I MEAN YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF INTEGRATION OR CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU WANT IN ORDER TO BE SATISFYING ON A TRADITIONAL PLACE TYPE COMMUNITY ANYWAY, IT'S A QUESTION MAYBE YOU WANT TO COME BACK LATER. YEAH I HAVE A I DO HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE PODIUM.

I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I'LL DEFER TO MY TEAMMATES UP HERE.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO FORGIVE ME FOR BEING LATE.

I'M SORRY THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. MY QUESTION ROB IS WHETHER OR NOT THE THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS AGREED IN A WAY THAT THEY HAD NOT AGREED TO DEVELOP SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN DENIED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANNEXATION IN THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON HAS THAT CHANGED SINCE OUR SUMMER MEETING ON THIS QUESTION THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THE TOWN THANK BUT BUT YOU'RE STILL HOLDING OUT THAT I MEAN WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER IS THAT THAT IS THE VENUE THAT SHOULD BE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT YOU'RE STILL POSITION OF THE VIEW FOR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PURSUED BUT AS YOU I DON'T MEAN TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID BUT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE HAS NOT CHANGED. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THANKS JOHN FOR ROB. I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR OPENING COMMENTS AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS THE THE PARCEL THAT'S DETACHED FROM THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL I IS 7.76 ACRES AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS EVEN WITH INFILL TCP YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST EIGHT ACRES, CORRECT EXACTLY. SO HOW CAN THIS EVEN BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS REZONING IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE THE CODE REQUIREMENTS? WELL, THAT THAT PARCEL DOES NOT YOU'RE RIGHT. IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR ATC EITHER AN INFO OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE. THE OTHER PARCEL DOES SO IT'S YOUR RIGHT NOT ALL OF IT DOES BUT PART OF IT DOES. I MEAN THE MAJORITY DOES THANK YOU BUT WE'RE WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR EVERYTHING. YES.

JUST THE TOP PARCEL IN THE BOTTOM PARCEL, YEAH. YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO AVOID PARCELS ALL EIGHT PARCELS. YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH QUESTIONS. ONE LAST QUESTION IF YOU GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE SCHOOLS

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YOU KNOW THE CONDITION OF THOSE SCHOOLS IN TERMS OF CAPACITY. MOST OF THESE SCHOOLS IN SOUTHERN COUNTY ARE AT OR OVER CAPACITY. OKAY.

SO THIS WILL ADD THEIR CAPACITY ISSUE. YES.

I MEAN OBVIOUSLY MULTIFAMILY EVEN HAS LESS OF AN IMPACT PER UNIT.

BUT YOU KNOW ANYTHING YOU KNOW KNOW IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON SCHOOLS AND ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL. OKAY. WELL EXCUSE ME WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF UPSCALING THE WHOLE HUB OF ZONING, WHOLE AREA? I MEAN I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY LIVING IN WHAT IS IT A T TO R BUT IF IT WAS UP ZONED WOULD THERE BE ANY NEGATIVE EFFECT OF A RECOMMENDATION TO DO THE WHOLE AREA ALL AT ONCE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME ACROSS DIFFERENT PARCELS EACH TIME SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD? I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE UPSETTING ARE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR AND YOU KNOW THE ZONING IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW KIND OF LOGICAL GRADATION OF YOU KNOW IT'S THAT'S LAID OUT BY A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND IT'S SUPPOSED FOLLOW THAT INSURGENT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW WE SEE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AROUND THERE WHERE IT'S MUCH DENSER IN THE ENTIRE APPEARS TO BE AND CERTAINLY SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO BUILD SIX MORE HOMES ON THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY'RE HAPPY ONE HOME IN THAT IN THAT AREA I GO BACK TO THE WHOLE THING WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF ZONING JUST SAYING THE WHOLE AREA SHOULD BE OFF ZONE AT SAME TIME AND DO IT SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ACTION OF THE COUNTY STEPPING IN BECAUSE WHEN SOMETHING IS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT IT HAS TO BE AT THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER SO THE APPLICANT WITH THEIR APPLICATION HAS EIGHT AFFIDAVITS SIGNED BY PROPERTY OWNERS SAYING THAT THEY CONCUR WITH THE UP ZONING IF COUNCIL SAID WE THINK THE WHOLE AREA SHOULD UP SOON THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THAT BE A COUNCIL INITIATED APPLICATION FOR REZONING KNOW THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT THOSE EIGHT PARCELS ARE OWNED BY ONE ENTITY AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN TO BE UP SO THE REST ARE PRIVATE PROPERTIES OWNED INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY EVEN HAVE TO CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO THEN THAT'S WAY IT REMAINS AND UNLESS THERE ARE SOME APPROPRIATE OVERRIDE FROM THE COUNTY IN MY UNDERSTANDING FOR VOLUNTARY UP ZONING WHICH IS WHAT THIS THIS ONE'S ASKING FOR AND THE OTHER IS AN INVENTORY WHICH WOULD BE INITIATED BY A COUNCIL SEPARATE . WELL YEAH IT'S NOT THAT EASY TO INITIATE IN MY COUNCIL A MONTH OF PRIVATE PROPERTY UP ZONING I DON'T BELIEVE.

YEAH IT WOULD IT WOULD BE A BOLD MOVE I MEAN IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL SAYING WE WHETHER WE HAVE ALL THE PROPERTY INTERESTS ON BOARD WE THINK THIS WHOLE AREA UP SOON YOU KNOW AND THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH IN AND THAT'S WHY AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, IT IS DIFFICULT IT'S HARD TO ASSEMBLE PROPERTIES LIKE BUT WE WE BELIEVE HAVE THESE TWO DISCRETE ODD SHAPES. IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S CREATING INCOMPATIBLE OF DEVELOPMENT WHICH WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF IN THE COUNTY.

YOU KNOW THROUGH ANNEXATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. IT'S THANK YOU, ROB. OKAY.

I GUESS WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. WHO IS THAT MR. JOHNSON? YES. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE. AS I MENTIONED ONE OF THE TIMES I WAS HERE BEFORE I ALSO HAVE SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME YEARS AGO AND I RESPECT THE EVENINGS AND OTHER WORK THAT IT TAKES. I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE SEVERAL APPLICANTS.

I'M ALSO TONIGHT HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON OUR TEAM THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THEM FROM OUT OF TOWN

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HE HAS COMMANDED THE U.S. SIXTH FLEET. HE'S A CARRIER AIRCRAFT CARRIER FIGHTER PILOT, TOP GUN TYPE OF HE HAS A SINCERE INTEREST IN THE WELL-BEING AND PROGRAMS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ENCOURAGE THE WELL-BEING OF AMERICAN VETERANS AND PARTICULARLY AMERICAN VETERANS. LITTLE FOOTNOTE ABOUT HIS MILITARY CAREER DURING THE PRESIDENCY GEORGE H.W. BUSH ADMIRAL STUFFLEBEEM WAS A MILITARY AID TO PRESIDENT BUSH AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND CARRIED WE WOULD CALL AND THE COLLOQUIALISM THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL AND HE HAD NUMEROUS OTHER HIGH LEVEL HE BRINGS TO HIS VOLUNTEER WORK FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISABLED AMERICAN VETERANS A HUGE EXPERIENCE AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE HIM NOW HE HAS A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE VETERANS NEEDS AND SITUATION AND OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN COUNTY. HIS QUESTION IS IS THE ADMIRAL IS HE THE PRIMARY LEADER OF THE FOUNDATION? HE'LL BE YOUR FOUNDATION.

OKAY. SO HE'S SPEAKING TO US FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT AS WELL OTHERS SO WE CAN ASK HIM QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THE FOUNDATION? I WOULD THINK SO. SURE. I'M SURE.

THANK YOU. WHILE HE WAS WALKING UP AFTER THE GENTLEMAN HAD SPOKEN ABOUT

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BUT THE REALITY IS MUCH OF THE DISABILITIES ARE INVISIBLE. I AM A DISABLED AMERICAN MILITARY VETERAN. I SERVED MORE THAN 30 YEARS IN THE U.S. NAVY WHICH INCLUDED COMBAT IN THE BALKANS SOUTHWEST ASIA, PAKISTAN, IRAQ, LEBANON AND AFRICA.

AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN VETERANS ISSUES PARTICULARLY FOR TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY AND SUICIDE INTERVENTION SINCE 2008 AS A DISABLED VET I STRUGGLE WELL TODAY BECAUSE I LIVE IN A TERRIFIC COMMUNITY WITH A BROTHERHOOD OF VETERANS AND HAVE ACCESS TO WORLD CLASS SUPPORT IN WASHINGTON DC AND I HAVE A PURPOSE BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WAY AS I HAVE SUFFERED FROM PHYSICAL INJURY, TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY FROM CONCUSSIONS AND MAJOR DEPRESSIVE. WHEN I CAME TO LIVE WHERE I CAME TO LIVE AFTER MY TRANSITION OUT OF THE MILITARY AND THE SUPPORT I HAVE THERE MADE THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME AND IT FUELS MY REASON FOR LIVING TODAY AND IT ADDS TO MY DESIRE TO WANT TO GIVE BACK BUT IN MORE AFFORDABLE LOCATIONS FOR OTHERS WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN I LIVING UP THERE IN D.C.

I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR AND TO MY FOUNDATION MY PARTNER MIKE COREY WHOM I HOPE WILL JOIN US SHORTLY. HE'S BACK HERE. THANK YOU.

WHO LIVING HERE? BLUFFTON AS ONE OF YOURS INVITED ME TO JOIN THIS INITIATIVE IN THIS VETERANS RICH AREA THAT HAS A NEED FOR HOUSING WORK TRAINING AS WELL AS SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH FROM THIS INVITATION FROM MY OWN WORK AFTER MY OWN RETIREMENT FROM THE MILITARY I FOUND PURPOSE AND PASSION TO ADVOCATE FOR AND HELP THE PROFESSIONS I GREW UP IN NOTABLY THE NFL WHEN. I WAS A FOOTBALL PLAYER BACK IN THE 1970S BEFORE ALMOST ALL OF YOU BORN AND LATER IN THE U.S. MILITARY WE'RE BUDDIES FROM MY FOOTBALL CAREER COMMIT SUICIDE AT SIX TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND VETERANS IN ACTIVE DUTY WHO ARE IN A 72% HIGHER RISK OF SUICIDE THAN WHO HAVE NOT SERVED.

AND WHILE THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR THESE SUICIDE RATES, THE COMMON ONES INCLUDE LOSS UNIT AND SELF-IDENTITY, LOSS OF CAMARADERIE OF THOSE HAVING SHARED AND SURVIVED HEROIN EVENTS BOTH PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL THAT FEW RELATE TO MUCH LESS UNDERSTAND THE INBUILT INABILITY OF OUR PREDOMINANTLY MALE EGOS TO ASK FOR HELP BUT STRUGGLE WITH THE VETERANS QUESTION OF WHY CAN'T I FIX THIS MYSELF? SINKING IN LONELINESS AND ISOLATION OFTEN INTO ADDICTION AND WORSE CLINICAL DEPRESSION WHAT YOU MAY KNOW AT 95% IS THE REASON FOR SUICIDE OFTEN MANY IN PAIN LOSE ONLY THE HOPE BUT THE PURPOSE IN LIFE AS THEY STRUGGLE WITH THE STIGMA OF LOSING AND NOT YET HAVING ACCEPTED WHAT MANY OF US NOW KNOW IN THE ADAGE OF IT'S OKAY NOT TO OKAY AND BECOMING RECALLED WARRIORS WHEN I'M PAINTING FOR YOU IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PICTURE OF COMMUNITY THAT LOSS OF COMMUNITY IS

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THIS IS WHY THIS FOUNDATION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO BUILD AN ENVIRONMENT AND PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS CAN HAVE THE PRIDE OF DESIRABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OR LONG TERM LEASING FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT YET AFFORD A HOME TRAINING FOR BUSINESS AND LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES A SENSE OF BELONGING TO A COMMUNITY THEY CAN GIVE BACK AND HAVE THE WELL-BEING THEY KNEW THEY SERVED ON ACTIVE DUTY OR RESPONDED TO DIFFICULT AND SOMETIMES SITUATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES BELONGING AND CONTRIBUTING TO A COMMUNITY OF MUTUAL SUPPORT OFTEN BREAKS THE CYCLE OF DEPRESSION THAT LEADS TO SUICIDE AGAIN AS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO TAKE NOTE SUICIDE ISN'T ACKNOWLEDGED LEADING PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM IN AMERICA AND IT'S GROWING AND IS THE IT'S THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG 5 TO 34 YEAR OLDS IN OUR COUNTRY WERE MALES COMMIT SUICIDE AT FOUR TIMES THE RATE OF FEMALES AND ACCOUNT FOR NEARLY TWICE AS MANY DEATHS AS FROM HOMICIDE TODAY VETERANS SUFFER SUICIDE EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY AND IT'S MY PURPOSE NOT TO SIT ON THE SIDELINES ANYMORE BUT TO DO ABOUT IT EVEN THE TEAMMATES AND THE COMRADES THAT I HAVE LOST STEMMING THE RATE OF SUICIDE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE MOST VULNERABLE. HOW WE DO THIS IS BY CREATING A COMMUNITY OF FOR DESERVING SERVICE WITH ALL THAT A COMMUNITY IT'S NOT ABOUT HANDOUTS IT'S ABOUT HAND ARMS FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, SUPPORT AND TRAINING TO THRIVE AND LIVE WELL WHO OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS CHANCE. WE DO THIS BY RAISING SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING THAT MY AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED AND WITH SUCCESS TO INCLUDE AN ENDOWMENT OF THE FUTURE TO FILL THE VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS MAY BE EXPERIENCING TO BUY OR A HOME RECEIVE TRAINING FOR ENTREPRENEURIAL BUSINESS OWNERSHIP OR MANAGEMENT, HAVE ONSITE SERVICES AS NEEDED BY THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ACCESS TO BUILD UNITS SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIPS SUCH AS WITH OPERATION PATRIOT'S FORWARD OPERATING BASE OR UPFRONT AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE IN A MOMENT FROM J.R. BROWN, THE FOUNDER OF OFF AND THEN ACCESS TO THE AREA MEDICAL INCLUDING THE NEW CLINIC ANNOUNCED BEAUFORT AND SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS THAT PROVIDED BY YOUR OWN CAROLYN FERMAN WHAT MAKES OUR FOR OUR FOUNDATION TRANSFORMATIONAL AS A NONPROFIT IS THE FUNDING FOR HOUSING SUPPLEMENTAL OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF FACILITIES PROVISION AND TRAINING AND SUPPORT PROGRAM TO BE ALL IN ALL THE TIME FOR AN ENDURING AND PERMANENT LOCATION TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE DISABLED VETS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WHO WISH TO LIVE IN THIS DESIRABLE AREA. WE WILL EMPLOY PROFESSIONAL STAFF INCLUDING APPLICANT SCREENING EXPERTIZE AND ANTICIPATE THAT SOME MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY WILL BECOME SERVING THEIR FELLOWS IN NEED FROM THIS WORK IN THIS ARENA FOR OVER SIX YEARS I HAVE LEARNED THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF SATISFACTORY WORKAROUND FOR EVERY PHYSICAL DISABILITY INCLUDING HOUSING BUT THERE ARE DISPARATE BOUTIQUE TREATMENTS AND PROGRAMS SCATTERED ACROSS THIS NATION FOR BRAIN INJURIES AND CHRONIC PAIN. BUT THERE ARE FEW HOLISTIC COMMUNITY WIDE PROGRAMS THAT INCLUDE ACCOMMODATIONS OTHER THAN JUST FOR THE VERY TEMPORARY. THAT'S WHY THIS INITIATIVE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT NOT ONLY WILL COMPRISING OF A BREATHTAKING DEVELOPMENT IN HARMONY WITH NATURE AND COUNTRY ARCHITECTURE A PLACE ANYONE WOULD WANT TO LIVE. IT WOULD BE A MODEL FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE WITH. MY GOAL OF IT BECOMING A NATIONAL JEWEL FOR THE MOST DESERVING IN OUR SOCIETY. THE TRUTH IN AMERICA IS ALMOST HAS A HEART FOR VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS IN WORDS. BUT ACTIONS DON'T ALWAYS KEEP PACE.

CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO HOUSE HOMELESS VETERANS SUCH AS FOSTER BY THE LIKES OF TITO TITO'S THE TOWERS AND COMMUNITY SHELTERS.

BUT THEY'RE AT THE LOW END. THESE ARE HANDOUTS. BY MANY IF NOT MOST MILITARY RETIREES LIVE WELL AFTER SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT CAREERS AND THRIVE IN COMMUNITIES SUCH AS SUN CITY AND SENIOR RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES AT THE HIGH END. BUT WHAT'S MISSING.

THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN. THERE ARE NO OR NO COMMUNITIES FOR THE HOMELESS OR THE

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THIS IS THE VISION TO SPAN THE GAP TO ENABLE PRODUCTIVE, THRIVING LIVES ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITIES BY LIVING IN THEM AND CONTRIBUTING AMONG OUR CITIZENRY BY BEING PART OF AN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES WHERE. COMPREHENSIVE SUPPORT EXISTS IN HOUSING WORK INCLUDING, BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, MEDICAL AVAILABILITY, TRAINING AND A VARIETY OF SUPPORT PROGRAMS. THIS IS WHAT OUR AIM IS FROM THE FOUNDATION.

WHAT'S MISSING AND NEEDED ARE COMMUNITIES PLAN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AREN'T HAND OUT BUT HAND UP TO EMPOWER THRIVING LIVES RATHER THAN JUST SURVIVAL. THIS A REALITY AND A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PLANNED URBAN LIVING. AGAIN, WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENCE IS THAT AS HOUSING AND SUPPORT FOR THE VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. OUR INITIATIVE CANNOT STAND.

I HAVE TRIED FOR 16 YEARS TO DO THIS. MY LAST EFFORT WAS OVER TWO YEARS IN NORTH CAROLINA AND WE FAILED. WE HAVE TO BE A LESSER INCLUDED PART AS A JEWEL OF A LARGER COMMUNITY. SO ON BEHALF OF ALL VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OUR TRANSFORMATIONAL PROPOSAL HERE IN BEAUTIFUL BLUFFTON AND I THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SO THANKS FOR LISTENING AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO SOME OF MY ESTEEMED, I'D LIKE TO READ A LETTER FROM THE SOUTH CAROLINA SECRETARY OF VETERANS AFFAIRS GENERAL TODD MCCAFFREY AFTER WHICH I WILL ASK J.R. BROWN, A U.S. MARINE AND THE FOUNDER OF UP FARM FOLLOWED BY MY FOUNDATION PARTNER MIKE COREY, ANOTHER NAVY VETERAN.

AND LASTLY TO YOUR FAVORITE SON GENERAL FIG NEWTON AS A FELLOW FIGHTER PILOT SAY WITH AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF PRIDE AS A STAR RETIRED NOW FOUR STAR GENERAL COMING BACK TO THE AREA THAT HE GREW UP IN THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN FLIER AND LEADER OF THE AIR DEMONSTRATION TEAM THUNDERBIRDS. HE IS SOMEBODY THAT I AM PROUD TO GET TO KNOW.

SO FROM GENERAL MCCAFFREY, IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, THIS IS NOVEMBER 27TH TO THE VIEW FOR KENNY PLANET DEAR MEMBERS, THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS A WIDE RANGE OF ENTITIES WITH AN INTEREST IN MEETING VETERAN NEEDS AND LEVERAGING VETERAN TALENT. WE HAVE RECENTLY BECOME AWARE OF AN EMERGING EFFORT IN BEAUFORT COUNTY FOCUSED ON THIS OBJECTIVE THE RECENTLY ESTABLISHED NONPROFIT LOWCOUNTRY HOUSING FOUNDATION APPEARS ALIGNED WITH OUR AGENCY'S PRINCIPLES AND FOCUS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS NEW NONPROFIT MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOME IN BEAUFORT COUNTY DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS TO FIND A RETAIN HOUSING SOLUTIONS GIVEN THE ONGOING POPULATION GROWTH ACROSS, THE LOWCOUNTRY RECOGNIZE THE EFFORTS TO BOTH EXPAND THE SUPPLY OF AVAILABLE HOUSING AND PROVIDE VEHICLES FOR VETERANS TO MORE AFFORDABLY HOUSING THAT IS GOOD FOR THOSE WHO SERVED OUR NATION UNIFORM AND FOR THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. THE US DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS ASSESSES THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN 20,000 VETERANS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY WHILE A MAJORITY OF THESE VETERANS ARE THRIVING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OTHERS REMAIN AS A RESULT OF DISABILITIES OR FINANCIAL SITUATION SITUATIONS ARE CHALLENGED TO FIND QUALITY HOUSING THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS OR PROVIDES ACCESS ABILITY TO OTHER SERVICES. GIVEN THESE CONDITIONS SUPPORT ANY EFFORT THAT AIMS TO SUPPORT VETERANS WITHOUT PLACING FINANCIAL BURDENS ON THEM.

NEW FOCUSED NONPROFITS LIKE THE LOWCOUNTRY HOUSING BETTER FOUNDATION MAY PROVIDE IMPORTANT NEW LINKS TO SOLUTIONS FOR SOME OF THE BEAUFORT DISABLED VETERAN POPULATION. THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES AND EFFORTS ARE IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARDS VETERANS BOTH IN BEAUFORT AND ACROSS OUR GREAT STATE.

SINCERELY MCCAFFREY GENERAL U.S. ARMY RETIRED. WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU GO ON. I WAS COMING AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TO YOU. THE ARMY. FIRST OF ALL COMMEND TREMENDOUS INITIATIVE ON YOUR PART TO HELP OUR VETERANS. WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE OF THE SACRIFICES THEY'VE MADE AND WE HEAR THEIR SOUND OF FREEDOM EVERY DAY OVER OUR ROOFS.

SO I COMMEND THAT MY CONCERN IS THAT ANY EFFORT TO SUPPORT IS SUSTAINING AND SOLID SOLID BACKING, SOLID TRACK RECORD AND STABLE CITY LONGEVITY. SO I'M GOING TO TEST YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION. BASED ON YOUR STATISTICS, OVER

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I THINK THAT'S VERY CONSERVATIVE BASED ON THE FACT AND WE HAVE SO MANY VETERANS.

I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING I BELIEVE 24 DISABLED VETERANS DWELLING UNITS. IT'S LESS THAN 10%. WHY SETTLES FOR SUCH A LOW NUMBER FOR A DYNAMIC NEED? WHY DON'T YOU GO FOR 20%? WHY CAN'T IT BE HIGHER? WHY MUST IT BE LESS THAN 10%? I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SETTLE FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 100%. BUT WE CAN'T BITE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND OFTEN. RIGHT. SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT HAS THAT HAS COME TO US. WE SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT TO PUT DOWN A NEW TEMPLATE IN THIS PLAN TO URBAN LIVING TO CREATE THIS HOLISTIC COMMUNITY FOR THE BENEFIT OF VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. WE CAN'T FORGET THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE A GROWING POPULATION AND UNFORTUNATELY WITHIN US MY INTENT MY GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS A NATIONAL TEMPLATE THAT WE TAKE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER TYPES OF VENUES BUT WILL BE THE FIRST OF ITS TYPE. MOST OF THAT LEADING INITIATIVE COME IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY AND THEY DO IT IN AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE SUBSTANTIAL NATURAL HOUSING AVAILABLE AND TRAINING AVAILABLE. BUT THERE ARE LARGE VETERAN CATCHMENTS LARGE AREAS OF VETERANS INCLUDING BEAUFORT COUNTY AND SURROUNDING THAT ARE IN NEED OF HOUSING AND TRAINING AND. AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THIS IS JUST A FIRST START.

IT'S A PROOF OF CONCEPT THAT WE CAN IT TO WORK HERE IN BEAUFORT COUNTY.

AND WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPORT IT HOPEFULLY. YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS THAT WE GO COAST TO COAST. I THINK THAT ENOUGH. THAT'S A GOOD START.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR THEM? YEAH, I DO.

WHEN WAS THE LOWCOUNTRY VETERANS HOUSING FOUNDATION STARTED? WELL, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IT WAS STARTED WHEN I WAS INVITED SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO COME DOWN HERE AND LEARN ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE.

WHO INVITED YOU HERE IF I MIGHT? MY CORPS.

WHO WILL BE UP HERE TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS ONE OF MY PARTNERS HERE WE FILED AND NOW HAVE THE FOUNDATION WITH ITS ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION WITH THE STATE NOW FILED AND WE ARE NOW APPLYING FOR THE FIVE ON C THREE STATUS SO THAT WE CAN RAISE FUNDS AND BUILD AN ENDOWMENT TO SUPPORT THIS. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL ADMIT IS I HAVE CAN'T RELY ON MEMORY VERY MUCH ANYMORE IS THAT IT WAS LAST MONTH THAT WE ACTUALLY FILED AND GOT THE FOUNDATION ESTABLISHED LEGALLY ALLOWS FOR CORRECTION FROM MY COLLEAGUES IF THEY NO MORE. AND YOU SAID YOU HAD A SIMILAR INITIATIVE UP IN NORTH CAROLINA I GUESS CAPITAL JUNE AREA? NO. OH, INTERESTING PROJECT I'LL KEEP IT SHORT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I WROTE MY REMARKS DOWN BECAUSE I TEND TO GO.

THERE IS A THERE WAS A VERY WEALTHY MIAMI DEVELOPER NAMED WAYNE HIGH SINGLE OWNER OF THE MIAMI DOLPHINS AND OTHER STUFF WHO HAD PURCHASED ABOUT 20 HOURS 2000 ACRES IN THE INNER BANKS OF NORTH CAROLINA ON THE NORTHERN SHORE OF THE ALBEMARLE SOUND OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN OF EDEN, AN AREA CALLED SANDY POINT AS THEY WERE BUILDING INTO THAT PLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENT. I WAS APPROACHED BECAUSE OF WORK THAT I HAD BEEN DOING IN NORTHERN STATES TO THIS POINT AND ASKED TO COME DOWN AND CONSIDER TO PUT IN A COMPREHENSIVE HEAD, NECK AND SPINE CENTER OF EXCELLENCE TO TREAT WITH THE PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL TRAUMA OF TBI AND PHYSICAL DAMAGE IF YOU WILL FROM FROM VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS. THAT WAS WELL ON WAY AS WE WENT INTO THE SECOND YEAR WITH AMPLE FUNDING UNTIL MR. HUIZENGA DIED WHO. WHEN HE PASSED AWAY HIS CHILDREN WERE INTERESTED IN DISSOLVING THE HOUSING FOUNDATION AND TAKING THEIR BEACH. WHAT I DISCOVERED IN THAT PART OF THE JOURNEY WAS THAT IT IS JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE TANTAMOUNT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO CREATE A COMMUNITY OF JUST VETERANS AND OR JUST FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I DESCRIBED WITHOUT BEING PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE'S AN ECONOMY OF SCALE AND COST FOR

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I TALKED TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE TODAY AND SAID THEY HAVE NO INDICATION THAT THERE IS A541C3. THAT'S CORRECT. THE 51C3 IS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT WHAT IS IT FIVE OR TEN MONTHS FOR IT TO BE ESTABLISHED. THE FOUNDATION IS ESTABLISHED.

WE ARE APPLYING FOR A501C3 STATUS. OKAY SO I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IN IN THE DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION TO US THIS EVENING AND THAT WE GOT IN OUR AGENDA PACKAGE SAID THE FIVE ON C THREE EXIST BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER I KNOW BUT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SO THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MR. JOHNSON AM I RIGHT OR AM I WRONG? I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. SO SO TELL ME WHAT YOUR STATUS IS LIKE. FOR EXAMPLE IN DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOME YOU KNOW, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION OR FILING WE'VE HEARD TWO NAMES YOU AND AND COLLEAGUE MR. CURRY. ARE THERE OTHER OFFICERS OR ONE OTHER ONE? DAVID SCHMITZ. DAVID SCHMITZ COREY JOHN STUFFLEBEEM WE ARE THE THREE DIRECTORS OF THE FOUNDATION THERE A BOARD BEING ESTABLISHED? NOT YET. WE INTEND TO HAVE ONE AND WE MAY HAVE A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND IN I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW ONE PROVIDES THAT FILING IS THERE A FUNDRAISING STRATEGIC PLAN AGAIN UNDER THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSAL OR MR. JOHNSON REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPERS THAT REQUIRES A DARN LOT AMOUNT OF FUNDRAISING AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT OF COURSE YOU CAN'T START NOW YOU HAVE BE INCORPORATED YOU KNOW AS OF 523 IN THE STATE AND AS SAY THAT MAY TAKE TEN MONTHS IF GROUND BREAKS IN 2027 AS WAS IN THE PAPERS THAT'S A VERY SHORT TIME TO DEVELOP A CAPITAL RESERVE TO DO ALL THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THAT TIMELINE AND WHAT KIND OF CAPITAL YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SO? THERE ARE TWO THINGS AT PLAY HERE YOU HAVE THE MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO DEVELOP THIS COMMUNITY AND A SUB PORTION OF IT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WILL BE FUNDED BY OUR FOUNDATION. THE INVESTORS FOR THE LARGER CORPORATION ARE OTHER PEOPLE WITH DEEP POCKETS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THEIR OWN DEVELOPMENT FOR THEIR OWN REASONS. OUR FUNDRAISING IS GOING TO BE FOR THOSE VETERANS THE FIRST RESPONDERS WHO WILL BE OUR NEIGHBORS IN THIS COMMUNITY THE 24 UNITS. RIGHT. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IN IN WHAT I READ FROM IN OUR PACKET IS THAT THERE ARE THINGS LIKE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, SMALL BUSINESS SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING FIRST IN LINE TO DEVELOP I DON'T KNOW A SORT OF A COMMUNITY VERY SUPER COOL STRIP MALL ETC. ETC. BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT YOU USE THIS EVENING HAS MET HAS MENTIONED YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE DISABILITIES THAT ARE UNKNOWN AND SHOWN RIGHT SO THAT INDICATES TO ME A KIND OF MEDICAL ACCESS.

I MEAN WHAT THE NUMBER OF FUNDRAISING WHAT'S YOUR TARGET NUMBER IT FUNDED OR IS IT A MILLION? WELL, IT'S TO START WITH A MILLION.

MY GOAL IS 1 MILLION AND TELL ME THE TIMELINE OF OF 100 MILLION.

WELL, I WISH I WAS THAT SMART. I WISH I WAS CLAIRVOYANT. I HAVE BEEN I'VE BEEN INVOLVED

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FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD SAY THAT I'M A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS COACH.

I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THAT INDUSTRY NOW FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

I HAVE NEVER MET. IF I GO TO THE HIGH END WHICH MIGHT BE LOCKHEED MARTIN CORPORATION, THE LARGEST DEFENSE CORPORATION IN AMERICA OR OTHER LARGE CORPORATIONS THEY DON'T HAVE TEN YEAR PLANS THAT SURVIVE CONTACT WITH REALITY SO THEY GO FOR 3 TO 5 YEAR PLANS. I'M A DISCIPLE OF THE ONE PAGE BUSINESS PLAN AS IT'S DEVELOPED FROM WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY OF OF BUSINESSES TO OWN AND OPERATE AND WE WORK ON THE THREE TO NO MORE THAN FIVE YEAR SPAN OUT WITHIN THREE YEARS THE GOAL FIRST YEAR OUR GOAL IS TO STRIKE FOR 1 MILLION OUR THIRD YEAR IS TO STRIKE FOR 5 MILLION AND THEN MY GOAL FOR THE THIRD YEAR WOULD BE THAT FIFTH YEAR WOULD BE 10 MILLION AND THEN WE START TO MULTIPLY OUT OVER TIME TO GET TO 100 MILLION WHICH GIVES US THE ABILITY TO CREATE AN ENDOWMENT THAT WOULD THEN BE ABLE PROVIDE FOR THE VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS IN PERPETUITY.

MY LAST QUESTION SORRY TO TAKE ALL THIS TIME BUT YOU KNOW, TO MY COLLEAGUE'S QUESTION, ONE OF THE THINGS I YOU WERE I I ADMIRE YOUR HONESTY BECAUSE YOU USED THE WORD.

MY QUESTION WAS WHAT'S THE MODEL HEALTHIER FOR DOING THIS. MY COLLEAGUE ASKED THAT AND YOU SAID YOU HAD FAILED. NOW YOU GAVE THE REASONS FOR YOUR FAILURE BUT FUNDAMENTALLY IS THAT YOU HAD THE PUSH AND THE ASSETS FROM THE FOUNDATION FOUNDATION OWNER WHATEVER HIGH SINGLE FOUNDATION. YEAH RIGHT I KNOW WHO THAT IS. HE DIES YOU KNOW KIDS WANT TO CARRY ON BUT THE IS I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM YOU THAT YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF WIND BACKING YOU AT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A FOUNDATION BACKING YOU NOW SO I HEAR YOU BUT TO ME AS A PLANNING GROUP AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE I BELIEVE IN YOUR ASPIRATIONS BUT IT'S ONLY ASPIRATIONAL. YOU FAILED ONCE. I MEAN COULDN'T YOU ADMIT MAYBE THE MODEL ISN'T A GOOD MODEL? WELL, IT IS A TOUGH MODEL TO SECURE WHEN THE OWNER AND THE BENEFACTOR OF IT WHO WAS FUNDING IT PASSES AWAY. BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN OTHER PROJECTS. IN FACT MY CAREER AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN PROGRAMS WHERE WE HAVE RAISED TENS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS FOR THE SCHOLARSHIPS OF ACTIVE DUTY VETERANS AND SPOUSES. THAT HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT SUCCESS.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT I HAVE DEALT HAVE WITH IN MY MILITARY CAREER, THE ONE THING THAT I NEVER ACCEPTED WAS FAILURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I MEAN TOUGH HERE IS THAT WE'RE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT HANDING MEDALS OR AWARDS AND YOU CLEARLY AN EXCEPTIONAL, EXCEPTIONAL HUMAN BEING AND I GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR HOPES AND DREAMS ARE BUT OUR JOB I THINK I MEAN I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF IS TO FIGURE WHETHER 24 UNITS IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS MANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THIS PROJECT THIS PROJECT WHETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, RAISES IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF ASPIRATIONAL IDENTITY THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY HERE OFTEN TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE AS YOU OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS SAID, YOU KNOW, INGRESS AND EGRESS SO ON. SO TO HAVE THIS OVERLAY OF ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC ASPIRATIONAL IDENTITY IS GREAT. I GUESS MY JOB I FEEL LIKE MY JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE ASPIRATIONS ACTUALLY FIT IN TIMELINE FUNDRAISING. SO FORGIVE IF I HAVE NOT REPRESENTED MY OPINION NOT RESPECTED YOU WELL ENOUGH I GUESS.

WELL I DON'T BUT I THINK YOU GET WHERE I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES. I DON'T I DON'T DENIGRATE THAT AT ALL.

I JUST YOU TO KNOW THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A FORMER ATHLETE AND HUGE FAN OF WAYNE GRETZKY, I'VE I'VE MISSED EVERY THAT I DIDN'T TAKE YOU KNOW BUT I REFUSE NOT TO TAKE THE SHOT.

I'M A HOCKEY MOM. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU GO AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SAME COIN I. WELL, I'M GOING TO LET IT GO AT THAT.

THANK YOU. I THINK WE SEE IT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE TO SAY YOU'RE VERY AMBITIOUS STARTUP AND WE WISH YOU TERRIBLE IN THIS ENDEAVOR

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THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FURTHER? YES, MA'AM.

YOU'RE BASING THIS ON THE APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD.

MY IS IF THIS DOES NOT GET APPROVED BY COUNTY COUNCIL, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOUR FOUNDATION PLAN B? I KNOW THE VETERANS OF THIS. THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED AND IT'S GOING TO SURVIVE BECAUSE OF US WHO HAVE THE PASSION FOR IT ARE NOT GOING TO LET IT DIE . AND IF WE CAN'T DO IT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO FIND SOME PLACE WHERE WE CAN. YEAH, PLEASE.

FIRST OF ALL, ADMIRAL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. SECONDLY AND I WANT THIS TO GO THROUGH FROM A STANDPOINT OF YOUR END PROVIDING FOR THE VETERANS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU RAISE $100 MILLION WITH THE FOUNDATION, I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE DISTRIBUTING AROUND $4 MILLION A YEAR WITH FOR USING YOUR TERM FOR IT TO LAST FOREVER.

MM HMM. OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU SET THIS UP AND YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT AND THEN YOU CAN'T FUND THE SUPPORT SERVICES? I MEAN, ARE THE VETERANS LEFT FINALLY HIGH AND DRY? WILL THEY BE WILL THEY NOT HAVE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE TO FOR THE HELP WITH THE RENT OR THE BUSINESS COACHING OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE OKAY? SO THIS TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT.

SURE. THAT ACTUALLY IS A PRIMARY ARTICLE OF WHAT WE INTEND TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN FOUNDATION IS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY VETERAN OR FIRST RESPONDER WHO CANNOT BE ADVANTAGED IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM TO AFFORD IT. WHAT WHAT I MEANT WAS IF YOUR FUNDING DROPS THAT GOES WELL. THE TIMELINE NO I MEAN WILL PEOPLE WILL THEY BE FINANCIALLY OKAY? NOT HAVING WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING FOR EXAMPLE I UNDERSTAND COUNSELING CAN GO AWAY. THEY DON'T HAVE COUNSELING NOW I'M NOT TRYING TO BE COLD SO COUNSELING AWAY THE SAME POSITION THEY ARE NOW BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WILL THEY NOT BE ABLE TO THE RENT, THE MORTGAGE PAYMENTS, THE SUBSIDY ON THE LEASES AND, STUFF LIKE THAT. IF YOUR FOUNDATION ISN'T THERE. SO OUR IS NOT TO DELIVER THE HANDOUTS WHERE THEY ARE COMPLETELY ON THE FOUNDATION LOCK STOCK AND BARREL.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE HAND UP SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN TO AFFORD HOUSING IF THEY CAN'T BUY IT YET WE CAN HELP THEM IF THEY CAN'T PAY FOR IT YET BUT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM YOU KNOW IN THIS WORLD ESPECIALLY IN THE BUSINESS WORLD THERE'S A NEW TERM OF ART CALLED ADAPTABILITY QUOTIENT PREP TO, ADAPTABILITY ,INTELLIGENCE. WE HAVE TO HELP THEM UNLEARN, RELEARN AND RESKILL TO GO DO NEW THINGS WITH THE SKILLS THAT THEY COME FROM WITHIN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. NOWHERE THAT I HAVE YET ACROSS THIS NATION HAS THAT FAILED ANYWHERE AND AND WHEN I INTEND TO GROW THIS FOUNDATION WITH MY PARTNER MIKE CORY WHO I WILL ASK COME UP IN A MINUTE HE IS THE CONSUMMATE FUNDRAISER WITH HIM ALONGSIDE I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN FAIL HE HAS NEVER NOT RAISED MULTIMILLION DOLLARS IN ANY FUNDRAISING ACTIVITY THAT HE'S EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF WHICH I HAVE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE HEART OF AMERICA WILL WELL WILL LET A SAFETY NET, IF YOU WILL, FROM UNDER THE VETERANS OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS. THANK YOU. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION I HAD AT LEAST I THINK YOU JUST GO FROM IT. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOUR PARTNER. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK J.R. BROWN TO COME UP. HE IS THE FORMER MARINE. HE IS A MARINE VETERAN CAN NEVER SAY FORMER A MARINE, ALWAYS A MARINE AND THE FOUNDER OF UP FROM WHOM WE ARE INTENDING TO AFFILIATE WITH. GOOD EVENING AND GENTLEMEN. WHAT DO YOU MAKE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME. MY NAME ROY BROWN JUNIOR. I GO BY J.R..

I'M THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF OPERATION PATRIOTS FOB. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT US. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.

MY WIFE AND I TOOK OUR LIFE SAVINGS. WE BOUGHT 268 ACRES TO BRING VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER TO BUILD CAMARADERIE A LOT OF US MISS THE MOST. I SPENT THREE YEARS OVERSEAS IN IRAQ BETWEEN THE MARINE CORPS AND CONTRACTING. I'VE LOST 29 GUYS THAT I DIRECTLY SERVED ON A

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MY WIFE AND I TOOK OUR LIFE SAVINGS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WITH THE GOAL BRINGING LIKE MINDED VETERANS TOGETHER AND FIRST RESPONDERS TO BUILD THAT CAMARADERIE WHICH WE THINK IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO VETERANS SUICIDE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR JUST OVER FOUR YEARS. WE'VE HAD OVER 26,000 VISITS TO THE FOB WITH ZERO SUICIDES THIS YEAR WE'VE RAISED OVER $2 MILLION LOCALLY.

SO I KNOW THAT THE MONEY IS HERE AND IT'S IN THE HEARTS OF MOST AMERICANS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THIS NEW INITIATIVE BECAUSE MY VETERANS AND RESPONDERS THAT HAVE SERVED THIS GREAT NATION NEED MORE RESOURCES IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS SOMETHING THAT WE INTEND TO FULLY SUPPORT AND GET OUR VETERANS INTEGRATED WITH WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT.

FOUR OF WE HAVE PARTNERED UP BOULDER CREST WHICH IS THE NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PEER TO PEER COUNSELING. WE ARE BY TRADE. I WAS A K-9 HANDLER, THE MARINE CORPS AND AS A CONTRACTOR AND I'VE TRAINED CLOSE TO 100 SERVICE DOGS EXCUSE ME FOR THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMUNITY. WE WILL WE ARE GETTING READY TO KICK OFF OUR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN TO START OUR SERVICE DOG PROGRAM. WE WANT TO TAKE IT A STEP FARTHER. I HAD ONE OF THE GREATEST JOBS IN THE MARINE CORPS.

I GOT PAID TO PLAY WITH DOGS EVERY DAY. I GOT TO DEPLOY WITH MY BEST FRIEND. I GOT TO CUDDLE WITH MY BEST FRIEND EVERY NIGHT FOR MY EXPERIENCE OF TRAINING SERVICE DOGS AND TRAINING THE VETERANS ON HOW TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE TRAINING OF THEIR SERVICE DOGS. THESE VETERANS ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT. SO ONE OF THE NEXT INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ACTUALLY CREATE A THREE AND A HALF MONTH CURRICULUM WHERE OUR VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WILL GO THROUGH AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE SKILLS THAT'S ON HOW TO TRAIN WORKING DOGS JUST LIKE THE MARINE CORPS GAVE TO ME. WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE A BUSINESS ASPECT AND TEACH THEM HOW TO BE AN ENTREPRENEUR, TEACH THEM HOW TO SET UP A BUSINESS PLAN, A PRO FORMA, A MARKETING. SO AFTER THREE AND A HALF MONTHS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO WHEREVER THEY'RE FROM TO START THEIR OWN CANINE PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY FOR US TO HAVE SOME HOUSING FOR THESE VETERANS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AND STAY HERE WHILE THEY GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS THIS TIME. IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. IS YOUR FACILITY IN MICHIGAN? SO WE ARE IN JASPER COUNTY BECAUSE COULDN'T AFFORD THE LAND IN BEAUFORT COUNTY BUT OVER 95% OF OUR VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS COME FROM THE SIDE OF 95. EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.

THANKS, JEFF. TO INTRODUCE MICHAEL COREY. MIKE IS A NAVY VETERAN.

A VIETNAM VETERAN IS AN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL ENTREPRENEUR HAVING STARTED MULTIPLE COMPANIES BEEN INVOLVED IN VETERANS PROJECTS INCLUDING RAISING MONEY FOR SCHOLARSHIP AND TRAINING FOR CLOSE TO 50 YEARS. HE IS ONE OF YOUR OWN FROM BLUFFTON. HE'S A COLLEAGUE THAT I HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW FROM MUTUAL COLLEAGUES AS WORK TOGETHER UP NORTH. HE'S ONE WHO CALLED INVITED ME TO COME DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IN THIS FIELD PART OF MY PASSION WHICH I LOST UP IN NORTH CAROLINA. I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE ALSO STARTED TO FILL THAT IN UP NORTH WITH ANOTHER PROPOSAL AND WORK A PROJECT ON TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY UP THERE.

MIKE, GOOD EVENING. HOW DO YOU. I WAS REMINDED BY SOME I WAS A THIRD CLASS PETTY OFFICER IN THE NAVY AND HANGING OUT WITH THESE ADMIRALS AND GENERALS.

THESE GUYS ARE CELEBRITIES TO ME I LOOK AT THEM IT ALL. EVEN AFTER THAT THIS IS ALL THE TIME THEIR SENTENCE. MY PASSION IN LIFE OTHER THAN TRYING TO KEEP MY WIFE OF 62 YEARS HAPPY WHICH IS SO FAR I'M DOING OKAY IS TO HELP VETERANS AND I JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE STRAIGHT PERSONAL STORY. I SERVED IN VIETNAM BUT. I WASN'T IN CONFLICT.

I WAS ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT JUST SOMEHOW MISSED ALL OF THAT AND I TURNED OUT TO BE ONE OF THE REALLY LUCKY PEOPLE WENT THROUGH VIETNAM. I GOT A JOB.

I FELL INTO SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T FOR AND ENDED UP BEING MY CAREER.

I MET EXECUTIVE I RECRUIT CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICERS FOR MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND HAVE DONE IT FOR OVER 50 YEARS. SO MY LIFE WAS IT'S BEEN QUITE TERRIFIC TO SAY THE LEAST ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO. ONE EVENING I'M SAYING TO MYSELF WHAT DO I WHAT KIND

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SO OVER OVER MY CAREER I PROBABLY RAISED 20 OR $30 MILLION IN JUST THE COLLEGE ALONE BEFORE WELL OVER $10 MILLION. I'M INVOLVED IN A COUPLE OF OTHER FUNDRAISERS HERE IN THE AREA ONE FOR RURAL HEALTH CARE, SOME OTHER THINGS BUT THIS IS MY PASSION AND I HAPPEN TO ALSO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY. I LIVE IN BLUFFTON.

I LIVE IN A PLACE CALLED BERKELEY IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT SAT AND IN MY COMMUNITY IS WAR . IT'S A WORLD WAR HERO AND HIS NAME IS FIG NEWTON.

AND THEN I HAVE THIS FRIEND OF MINE RELATIONSHIP OF ONE OF THE GREAT LEADERS IN THE MILITARY AND BOOMER STUFFLEBEEM IN IN OUR PROGRAM IN THE ANNUAL EVENTS THAT WE RAISE CAPITAL MONEY THAT EVERY YEAR WE HAD A THING CALLED THE SOLDIER CITIZEN AWARD AND WE USED TO GIVE THAT TO VERY HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE SO WE'VE GIVEN IT TO AND I'VE BECOME FRIENDLY WITH AND BECAUSE THE PERSON WITH GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS GENERAL PETER PACE GENERAL JACK KEANE ADMIRAL TOM FARGO THE TOP TOP PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN OUR PROGRAM AND THEY'VE HELPED US RAISE THAT KIND OF MONEY. SO YOU ASKED ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. I'VE RAISED WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND SCHOLARSHIPS CURRENTLY OUT TO MILITARY VETERANS AND SPOUSES, A THOUSAND WE PROBABLY COULD GET A THOUSAND A YEAR IF WE IF WE HAD. SO WE'RE TAKING THAT PROGRAM AND WE WANT TO TAKE IT TO OTHER UNIVERSITIES WHICH WE'VE ALL THIS IS KIND THE SAME CONCEPT. 24 ISN'T A LOT OF OF PLACES TO YOU KNOW 24 FAMILIES THAT SEEMS RELATIVELY SMALL. ON THE OTHER WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. WE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE FRANKLY THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO PROOF CONCEPT IS IS IS A BOOMER SAID BY WHICH NAME IS BOOMER BECAUSE HE WAS THE PUNTER IN NAVY AND THE LIONS THAT'S HOW HE GOT THE NAME BOOMER SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WONDERED SO WE YOU KNOW WE ARE WE CAN IT WE CAN RAISE MONEY EVERY YEAR.

I MEAN I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT RAISING WHETHER IT'S 1 MILLION, 5 MILLION, 10 MILLION.

WE KNOW WHAT OUR GOAL IS OR WHAT OUR PROGRAM THEN IT TAKES DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE WOULD GO ABOUT DOING IT IF WE WOULD HAVE ONLY PERSONAL CONTRIBUTIONS BUT CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS AND ALL KINDS OF WAYS. THERE'S LOTS OF PROGRAMS ACTUALLY IN WASHINGTON FOR DISABLED VETERANS AGENCIES WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF MONEY AVAILABLE.

SO RAISING A CAPITAL FOR OUR FOUNDATION I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT AT ALL BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE MY LIFE'S WORK AND THAT'S GOING TO BE BOOMER'S LIFE'S WORK AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY I KEEP TELLING YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME START WITH A CLEAN BLACKBOARD. LET'S BUILD A HOLISTIC URBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT REALLY TAKES HELPS PEOPLE THAT DESERVE OUR HELP TREMENDOUSLY. THE THIRD RAIL PEOPLE LIKE ANOTHER WAR HERO IN THIS ROOM THAT'S J.R. AND HE SAID HE DID HIS LIFE SAVINGS.

HE READ HIS LIFE SAVINGS EVERY PENNY OF IT AND IT WAS A LOT BECAUSE HE GOT A LOT OF MONEY WHEN HE GOT OUT OF THE SERVICE BECAUSE HE GOT INJURED. SO THESE ARE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN PATRIOTISM. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE HELPING.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING. BOOMER SAID IT PERFECTLY LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO HELP VETERANS. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE'RE BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE ACTIONS AND WE'RE ASKING NOT ONLY THIS GROUP BUT ANY ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN HELPING US MOVE FORWARD AND BRING SOMETHING SPECIAL. 24 YET. COULD IT BE 48? COULD IT BE SEVEN? SIX I'D LOVE IT TO BE I'D LIKE TO BE ALL 205 WE COULD BUT WE NEED THE OTHER PIECE TO FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO BUILD THIS PIECE AS WELL SO THE TWO GO HAND IN HAND IN THIS REGARD SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE TOLD YOU ANYTHING THEY TOLD YOU BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS YOU SAID THAT YOU KNOW 1012 YEARS AGO YOU WANTED IT TO YOUR LEGACY TO HELP VETERANS AND I ASKED THE ADMIRAL BACK THERE WHEN THIS FOUNDATION WAS FOUNDED AND IT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT WHAT I DECIDED AND WHEN WE

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TO ME I HATE TO SAY THIS AND IN THIS PARTICULAR VENUE IT'S A LITTLE SUSPECT TO ME BUT IT'S ADMIRAL STUFFLEBEEM LIFELONG PASSION FOR SIX YEARS IT'S BEEN YEARS FOR TEN YEARS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT ONCE UP IN A VERY BUSY, VERY CONTENTIOUS AREA AND LO AND BEHOLD IT'S 50501C3 WHICH HASN'T EVEN BEEN FORMED YET HAS POPPED UP OUT OF THE GROUND. I HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR YOU WHO YOU TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS? LOWCOUNTRY VETERANS HOUSING FOUNDATION WAS IT SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT UP ON YOUR OWN SIX MONTHS AGO AND JUST HAPPENS TO COINCIDE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU.

THE FACT IS WE LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE'RE LEARNING EVERY DAY WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO, WHAT WE REALIZED AS WE GOT MORE AND MORE INVOLVED AND WE'RE WANT TO BUILD THIS IS THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO THE VETERAN. WE HAD TO FIND A MECHANISM WHERE WE CAN HELP SUPPLEMENT WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO AFFORD BY GIVING THEM OR DONATING PART OF THEIR WHETHER IT BE OR ANNUALLY OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE FROM FROM GROUND UP WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET.

SO THE WHOLE THING IS THE REASON FOR THE FOUNDATION IS THAT WE REALIZED AS WE GOT REALLY INTO THIS THING AND REALIZED WHAT WE WANT DO WITH THE VETERAN PIECE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HELP THE VETERANS WE PUT ANY FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THEM.

SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO FORM A FOUNDATION OR FABLE AND SEE THREE. LOOK, I DON'T NEED THE MONEY. DON'T NEED THE MONEY.

WE'RE NOT IN THIS TO MAKE IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

FRANKLY I WON'T MAKE ANYTHING BECAUSE EVERY TIME AND EFFORT WHATEVER THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT MONEY THIS IS ALL ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE AND HELPING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE FACT IS IS THAT AS WE GO ALONG WE LEARN HOW TO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALIZED IS WE NEEDED TO HELP SUPPLEMENT IF NEEDED. ANY VETERAN THAT WAS IN OUR PROGRAM THAT COULDN'T FINANCIALLY MEET OUR OBLIGATIONS WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT BEFORE WE A YEAR AGO WE WEREN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE DID YOU KNOW A YEAR AGO WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE EXACTLY HOW THIS WAS ALL GOING TO BE STRUCTURED. IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS ANTONIO KILL ME FOR SAYING THIS BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THE WHOLE THING VETERANS BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT FINANCIALLY.

WE JUST CAN'T. WE NEED THAT. WE NEED THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF THE REST OF THE PROJECT TO MAKE THIS PART OF THE PROJECT WORK.

BUT WE WANT TO PUT VETERANS IN HOUSING THAT LITERALLY IT'S THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT THEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT THEM BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE TO TRY TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THEIR PAYMENTS THROUGH THE FOUNDATION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND TRUST ME I REALLY APPRECIATE AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR WHY IT NEEDS TO BE SOUTH THE BROAD WHERE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY MILITARY FACILITIES. WHY WOULDN'T BE NORTH OF THE BROAD YOU HAVE THE MARINE CORPS STATION, YOU HAVE THE NAVAL HOSPITAL, YOU HAVE CLOSE RANGE TO THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION IN CHARLESTON. I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL OF LAND LIKE I SAID CAME ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WITH NO MENTION OF VETERANS AND THEN THIS FOUNDATION BEGAN SIX MONTHS OR SO. AS A BUSINESSMAN I CAN SEE IT'S THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST A DREAM, RIGHT? TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO SO BUT IT SEEMED UNDERSTAND? NO, NO, NO, NO. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN YOU YOU DON'T KNOW ME FROM ADAM. I'M GETTING UP IN FRONT OF THIS THIS GUY WITH A BEARD STANDING FRONT OF YOU THAT LIVES IN BLUFFTON.

BUT THE REALITY IS SUSTAINABILITY EXPERIENCE. I'VE I'VE RAISED MONEY FOR CHARITIES LIKE THIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL FUNDRAISER.

I'M A BUSINESSMAN. I RUN I RUN A GLOBAL INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS.

SO THIS IS NOT WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE HAVE A PASSION TO HELP THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT. SO.

SO MAYBE I COULD AND I'M SORRY I'VE REALLY HAD TO. NO, I APPRECIATE THIS.

THANK YOU. HOW YOU ACTUALLY COME INTO CONTACT WITH MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT? DID THEY APPROACH YOU APPROACHED THEM? NO. I'VE KNOWN MR. STARTED FOR A LONG TIME.

OKAY. AND WHEN DID MR. BUSTANI THIS TO YOU THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO START THIS LEGACY FOUNDATION THAT YOU'VE BEEN THINKING OF FOR TEN YEARS PROBABLY A YEAR PLUS AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'VE BEEN WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AS YOU CAN. I MEAN PEOPLE LIKE BOOMER ARE FLYING IN FROM WASHINGTON WE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A FAINT OF HEART HERE WE ARE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PUT THE RIGHT

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SO JUST SO I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. WE'D LOVE TO DO IT.

WE'RE AT BUT IF WE CAN'T DO IT THERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP BECAUSE BUILDING THE FOUNDATION AND WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS FACILITY WE YOU KNOW, HAVE ALREADY A PLAN B KIND OF AT THIS IN TIME BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO PLAN B. WE WANT TO DO PLAN A WHICH IS THIS I UNDERSTAND AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS AREA, WHETHER IT'S OWN OR NOT, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS FOUNDATION AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT IT'S IT'S CONDUCTED IN THE UTMOST TRANSPARENCY, HONESTY AND INTEGRITY BECAUSE NOBODY DESERVES THAT MORE THAN.

OUR VETERANS. COULDN'T AGREE COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE HAVE THAT HONESTY AND INTEGRITY BEHIND THEM. WELL, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO SAY NO.

AND BY THE WAY, ANYBODY THAT I'LL GIVE YOU A LIST OF ALL MY CLIENTS AND REFERENCES AND STUFF YOU CAN BRING AS MUCH STAR POWER AS YOU WANT AND THE ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS . NO, NO, NO. AND AS I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO GO JUST GO TO THE AMERICAN COLLEGE CHAIRMAN AND SEE HOW MANY SCHOLARSHIPS ARE FOR VETERANS THAT A THOUSAND OF THEM IS A LOT. THAT'S FANTASTIC YOU KNOW SO WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE AND BY THE WAY, NOT ONLY NOT THE VETERAN BUT THEIR SPOUSES WE HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT IN AND AS FAR AS VERY COMMENDABLE. SO MAYBE IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE OTHER HERO IN THIS ROOM OTHER THAN BOOMER AND THEN I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

SO IT LIKE THIS WAS A GERM OF AN IDEA ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

BUT WHEN DID IT ACTUALLY COMING TO FRUITION IS WHAT HIS QUESTION IS WHEN DID THIS DECIDED TO GET PUSHED ONTO PARTICULAR PROJECT? SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS JULY.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT IF YOU'RE I'M NOT TRYING TO IMPLY IT WAS YEARS AGO IT CERTAINLY WAS MONTHS AGO BUT I DON'T I COULDN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT THAT WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT WELL WHO COULD THAT PARDON WHO COULD WELL BE MR. PERSONALITY PROBABLY GOOD ESPECIALLY TODAY . ALL RIGHT THANK YOU THANK YOU AGAIN.

AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE FIG NEWTON MANY YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW HIM SO IF YOU DON'T IT'S HE'S SPECIAL SO FIG IS THAT'S MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THANK VERY MUCH AGAIN BUT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ASKING THE EXACT TYPE QUESTION YOU SHOULD BE ASKING THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT THAT KNOW ME BUT I'M ORIGINALLY FROM OVER IN JASPER COUNTY, GREW UP IN RIDGELAND AND WENT SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE FOR 34 AND A HALF YEARS THAT I'M BACK. SO I THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO WHY I AM INTERESTED IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS AND IT'S ONE THAT IS VERY, VERY UNIQUE OF THE ASPECTS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND THE ONES THAT YOU WERE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW YOU PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SERVICE. I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF VETERAN HOUSING PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE I FIND AND I FIND THIS ONE VERY UNIQUE WHERE IT BRINGS ALL OF THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT THEY ARE ABOUT BRINGING TO OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN. AND SO I THINK IT'S A VERY SPECIAL KIND OF PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S MATTER OF FACT I THINK IT'S THE ONLY ONE LIKE IT WOULD BE IN THE UNITED STATES IF THIS ONE GETS A PROVEN OFF THE GROUND AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING VETERANS AND WE'RE TALKING MILITARY AND WE'RE TALKING EDUCATION, I'M ALL IN. OKAY, I I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN THE GROUP WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT.

THEY MENTIONED VETERANS AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CELEBRATIONS HERE RECENTLY LIKE VETERANS DAY AND SO ON AND SO GOT THE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THEY SHARED WITH ME THEIR PHILOSOPHY OF WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE FOR VETERANS. THEREFORE I WAS AGAIN ALL IN I FOUND THEM BE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD ALL ABOVE BOARD AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY KIND OF PEOPLE I WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH BUSINESS IN THE SENSE OF BEING ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND I'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK HOME AND BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL BUT ONLY DOING IT WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT BRING ALL OF THE ISSUES TO THE TABLE JUST AS THEY'RE DOING HERE THIS EVENING. SO MY SUPPORT HERE AND WHAT I'M ASKING CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THIS PROJECT CERTAINLY WOULD I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT TO PROVE IT ONCE AGAIN YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT YOU NEED IT THANKS BUT ANY QUESTIONS QUICKLY FOR ME NOT THAT I HAVE A THAT I THINK I CAN OFFER HERE OTHER THAN MY PASSION AND SUPPORT MY MY VETERAN FRIENDS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY ANY. OKAY.

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I'LL SPEAK TO THAT. I WOULD SAY THAT I KNOW ENOUGH I'M NOT A TAX I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT TAX LAW AND CORPORATE FOUNDATIONS TO KNOW THAT FORMATIONS THAT YOU FORM A CORPORATION SECRETARY OF STATE IN SOUTH CAROLINA TO 1C3 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE SO YOU WON'T FIND AT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE ABOUT THAT IN TERMS THE FORMATION PAPERS THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT REVENUE TAX PEOPLE AND IF I MAY SIR I'M SORRY NO NO GOING IT THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING ON RECORD WITH THE IRS AS OF TODAY THAT SAYS THAT THE LOWCOUNTRY VETERANS I CAN'T ARGUE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE IN THE RV AND BATTING FIRM OF EUGENE OR WAS HANDLING THAT AND I HAD BEEN INFORMED THAT IT HAD BEEN FILED. OKAY SO I THINK WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE PICTURE THAT'S FROM LET'S MOVE FORWARD. SO HE LIVES IN BETWEEN IF YOU'VE RAISED MONEY IN SOUTH CAROLINA YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOU UNDERSTAND THE BEING A DEAD HORSE YOU COULD HAVE BEEN A DEAD HORSE I THINK STOPPED IT .

I DON'T LIKE BEING LIED TO. YOU KNOW I LEARN FROM QUESTIONS THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD ABOUT WHERE THE FOUNDATION THE CORPORATION THE FOUNDATION SAID AS I'VE TOLD YOU IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE STORY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. LET ME LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME QUESTION. YOU HAVE A FOUNDATION QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE FOUNDATION WE HAVE MR. JOHNSON ,I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME IN MY CONVERSATION IT EMAILS WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE TODAY WHICH IS THAT IF THIS FOUNDATION WHICH IS IN THE IN ITS FORMATION PERIOD RIGHT SO I AGREE YOU IT'S NOT ON THE RADAR OF SOUTH CAROLINA SECRETARY OF STATE SURE THAT WAS NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS WE GOT IT WAS PRESENTED TO US RIGHT HERE IN THESE DOCUMENTS AS IT EXISTED OKAY SO IT'S NOT IT DOES EXIST IT MAY EXIST IN TEN MONTHS BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST NOW.

BUT SIR, I THINK YOU EITHER MISINTERPRETED WHAT I ASKED OR YOU MISINTERPRETED FOR THE PUBLIC WHICH IS THAT FOR A FOUNDATION TO RAISE MONEY AND GET GRANTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THE THAT YOU HAVE SAID IN YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT THIS FOUNDATION WILL DO THAT HAS TO BE REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA. YES.

OKAY. TWO THINGS THE CORPORATION THAT HAS TO BE CREATED UNDER THE LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA NOT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO APPROVE THE ONE, TWO, THREE APPLICATION.

CORRECT. AND THEN ONCE IT'S APPROVED REGISTRY.

RIGHT. BUT YOU SAID THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA HAS NOTHING DO WITH IT. CAN WE MOVE ON PLEASE? NOTHING.

NOTHING TO ARGUE. YOU SHALL GO. ONE, TWO, THREE.

THANK YOU VERY. MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS TONY BEST ALREADY AND I'M THE MANAGING PARTNER OF MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT.

YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER INTO THE MICROPHONE. I THINK PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY, TONY. BEST ALREADY AND I AM THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT, THE ATTORNEY THAT IS THE BOTH THE FORMATION AND THE FILING WITH THE IRS ADVISED US THAT ONCE THE APPLICATION IS FILED WITH THE IRS HE APPEARS TO BE WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF DOING IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED APPLICATION AND BOOMER MIKE AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN GIVING HIM INFORMATION BUT I'VE SEEN THE APPLICATION HE SAID ONCE THE APPLICATION IS FILED THE FOUNDATION CAN INDEED DO BUSINESS AS IF THE 501C3 WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED PENDING THE RULING BY THE IRS WHICH IS IN TEN MONTHS OUT. HE THOUGHT IT WAS FIVE OR SIX MONTHS OUT. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT SIMPLY THAT THE FOUNDATION COULD BEGIN ITS ACTIVITY IN RAISING SUFFICIENT CAPITAL TO INVEST IN THE

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SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO QUESTION FURTHER ON THAT ISSUE. ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION A STUDY OTHER THAN THAT I COULD ALSO OFFER SOME INSIGHTS INTO THIS TIMING ISSUE THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS BROUGHT UP AND I THINK COMMISSIONER MCMILLAN BROUGHT UP IF THAT WOULD BE INFORMING.

SURE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE APPLICATION I BELIEVE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS.

THERE WAS A THAT OCCURRED A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN WE ASKED TO FIRST GO TO THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON TO EXPLORE ANNEXATION BECAUSE THE PARCELS AT THAT POINT WERE ALL CONTIGUOUS TO TOWN OF BLUFFTON . WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS A DIFFERENT ASSEMBLAGE RESULTING FROM THE TOWN OF BLUFFTON PASSING ON THE OPPORTUNITY OF ANNEXATION. SO WHEN IT WAS A DETOUR NEVERTHELESS SO WE WE SPENT ABOUT A YEAR GETTING READY FOR ANNEXATION AND THIS WAS A REFERRAL FROM OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE COUNTY. APPARENTLY THERE WAS EITHER A POLICY OR AN INFORMAL WITH THE TOWN THAT IF LAND WAS CONTIGUOUS TO THE TOWN BORDER THAT BEFORE THE COUNTY ON A ZONING APPLICATION WE'D FIRST OFFER IT TO THE TOWN SO ASSEMBLAGE BACK THEN WAS ABOUT 23 ACRES INCLUDING THE EIGHT ACRES THAT'S STILL ON THE MAP BUT IT WAS ALL CONTIGUOUS TO THE TOWN. THE ASSEMBLAGE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW OCCURRED LATER WHEN THE TOWN REJECTED THE APPLICATION. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN PLANNERS WHO VERY MUCH WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AND WE OFFERED A AN AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT NEVER MADE IT INTO THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT WAS ALL A SERIES OF MEETINGS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH BOTH THE PLANNING STAFF AND WITH THE WITH TWO PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL ONE OF WHOM BECAME EVENTUALLY BECAME THE MAYOR. ALL OF THAT RESULTED IN THE TOWN IT CLEAR TO US THAT THEY COULDN'T ANNEX LAND IF. IT INVOLVED ANY AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THEY WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN ANNEXING THE LAND FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THIS INFORMATION WAS IN EUROPE IN THE APPLICATION SO YEAH ALL RIGHT BUT IT GOES TO COMMISSIONER ROSS'S QUESTION ABOUT TIMING SO WE THEN CAME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EARLIER YEAR IN THE EARLY PART OF THE YEAR AND OUR COMPANY ALWAYS LIKES PUT A KIND OF A COMMUNITY BENEFIT INTO EACH RATHER THAN STRAIGHT ROOFTOP AND HOUSING SO WE THOUGHT THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD WOULD DO THAT AS WELL THE COMMUNITY PARK AND AND THE SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE PRESIDENT WHEN WE MET WITH LOTS OF COMMUNITY LEADERS SOME ELECTED LEADERS AND PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX MONTHS AGO LEARNED THAT WORKFORCE

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR LISTENING. I WOULD ASK PHIL EUBANK TO COME UP.

HE'S VERY EXPERIENCED OF LAND USE ARCHITECT PLANNER. HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH BUILDING CODES AND HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT MUST EMERGENT BROUGHT UP.

I'M NOT A LAND PLANNER AS, A LAWYER. I CAN PERHAPS EXPRESS THIS.

CAN I ASK YOU HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS YOU PLANNED IN THE LAST ONE JUST FOR ME TO WRAP UP. OKAY. YEAH I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK UP AND SO I WANT TO GIVE THEM TIME .

YEAH. SO I'M BILL EUBANKS. I'M THE FOUNDER OF URBAN EDGE STUDIO IN CHARLESTON. AND I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS A VERY LONG TIME SO I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. I FEEL LIKE AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU'VE HEARD THAT WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY IS REALLY KIND OF MUNDANE BECAUSE IT'S LAND USE AND ZONING.

BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT LAND USE AND ZONING ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHAPES OUR COMMUNITIES. BUT WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT A REZONING APPLICATION SO I'M GOING TO GET INTO THAT AND JUST REALLY QUICKLY TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME.

I'VE SPENT THE LAST 43 YEARS OF MY LIFE HELPING MY CLIENTS NAVIGATE AND UNDERSTAND ZONING ORDINANCES TO REALIZE THEIR DREAMS FOR THEIR PROJECTS. I'VE WORKED ON SEVERAL MUNICIPAL PLANNING PROJECTS INCLUDING STREET HERE IN BEAUFORT MAE RIVER ROAD IN BLUFFTON. I'VE TRANSITIONED FROM KIND OF STRAIGHT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TO MORE OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING SIDE. LAST YEAR I CRAFTED A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF WOODRUFF, CAROLINA. EARLIER THIS YEAR I COMPLETED A COTTAGE COURT OVERLAY FOR THE CITY OF KEENE, NEW HAMPSHIRE. I JUST REWROTE THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN OF DARLINGTON, CAROLINA SHOULD OR SHOULD GET FINAL RATING NEXT

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SO I REVIEWED THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT.

IN MY OPINION THE DESIGNATION OF THESE PARCELS AS A HAMLET PLACE TYPE AND TO RURAL WAS AN OF THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED. I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS IN LOOKING AT YOUR FIVE YEAR UPDATE TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING WHERE PLACE TYPES MIGHT NOT BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY.

SOMETIMES THESE THINGS HAPPEN THEY'RE ANOMALIES THE BEST THING TO DO WHEN THAT HAPPENS IS TO CORRECT THEM. IN THIS CASE I BELIEVE THAT THE C3 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED DESIGNATION IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING EXISTING LAND USES ESPECIALLY WITH THIS PROJECT WITH MANSION APARTMENTS AND SOME LIMITED RETAIL USES. MOST OF THE STAFF COMMENTS THAT SUPPORT DENIAL ARE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS AREA IS HAMLET PLACE TYPE.

IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THAT DESIGNATION IS INAPPROPRIATE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD A MORE APPROPRIATE DESIGNATION WHICH I BELIEVE IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

STAFF ALSO IN THEIR COMMENTS THAT THIS PLAN CREATES A DISORDERLY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THAT IMPLEMENTATION OF A COORDINATED AREA PLAN WOULD BE PREFERRED.

WHILE IT'S TRUE THAT THIS PLAN DOES NOT INCORPORATE ALL OF THE PARCELS AT THIS CORNER BECAUSE AS YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THOSE ARE HEIRS PROPERTY THE PLAN DONE BY WITMER WITMER JONES KEEFER DOES SHOW FUTURE ACCESS POINTS THAT WILL PROVIDE THE CONNECTIVITY TO ALLOW THOSE TO BE CONNECTED IN THE FUTURE IF THAT IF THAT WERE TO EVER HAPPEN.

AND I THINK CONNECTIVITY CAME UP IN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS BEFORE.

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY PREPARED SHOWS AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE PARCELS AND THIS PARCEL. NO OTHER INGRESS EGRESS POINTS SHOULD BE NEEDED WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING. SO REALLY JUST TO SUM IT UP, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE PLAN PREPARED BY JONES KEEPER FOR MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES A WELL-DESIGNED AND A MUCH NEEDED LAND USE THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE GREATER GOOD IF ALLOWED TO PROCEED. IN ORDER FOR IT TO PROCEED THIS REZONING SHOULD BE AND I URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COUNTY COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON BILL I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS AND I'M GOING TO BREAK THEM UP IN TWO PARTS BECAUSE I'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT THE 7.76 ACRE ABOUT SINCE IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS .

YES. FROM THE OTHER COMPONENT AND SETTING THE THE HAMMER PLACE OVERLAY ISSUE ASIDE I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED REZONING.

SO IN THAT 7.76 ACRE LOT AND THIS WAS A QUESTION I ASKED THAT STAFF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING WAS I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN CONSIDER REZONING THAT LOT AS A POTENTIAL TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN WHEN THE MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT FOR A COMMUNITY PLAN IS AT LEAST EIGHT ACRES TO 40 ACRES. SO IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

THE OTHER CONCERN I GUESS THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE TDPS AND THE ZONING BEING REQUESTED TALKS ABOUT PROVIDING MIX OF BUILDING TYPES WHICH THE PROPOSAL AT LEAST HAD SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL LAND PLAN FOR THE 7.76 ACRES IS ALL MENTION RESIDENTIAL BUILDING SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THE MIX THERE AND THEN THE LESS CONCERNED I HAD WAS THAT THE C THREE ZONING IS SUPPOSED TO IN THE TCP HAVE A GROSS DENSITY OF 3.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND THINK WITH THE 27 UNITS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN ON THE CONCEPTUAL LAND USE PLAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CLOSER TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE. SO IT'S NOT MEETING THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVE TO THE 42 ACRE 41.4 ACRE SITE, MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS APPLY AS WELL NOT A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL TYPES AND THE DENSITY IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THE C THREE ZONING

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WELL SO FIRST OF ALL I CAN'T DEFEND THE SITE PLAN. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T DO IT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHICH IS ONLY A VERY CONCEPTUAL PLAN DOES SHOW ONE BUILDING TYPE WHICH IS THE MANSION APARTMENT MOVING FORWARD THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT ORDINANCE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN MAY SHOW. NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE OTHER PARCEL THAT DOESN'T MEET THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS. I WAS A LITTLE BY THAT ONE AS WELL AND I WAS WONDERING IF THEY EVEN EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT CONTIGUOUS IF THEY COULD BE TAKEN AS AN AGGREGATE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE SAME DEVELOPER AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF EVEN THAN THAN FOR ME WHETHER THEY COULD BE DONE THAT WAY BECAUSE THE AGGREGATE ACREAGE QUALIFIES WELL IN EVEN IF THE AGGREGATE ACREAGE QUALIFIED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT ALMOST FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? MAXIMUM IS 3.5. YEAH I THINK MOVING FORWARD THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN TO MEET THE ORDINANCE.

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT YOU SAID IN YOUR CLOSING REMARKS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO APPROVAL AND THEN IT JUST SHOWS YOU SOMETHING THAT SAYS OUT OF WHACK AND NOW YOU'RE RETRACTING AND I DON'T I STILL THINK I STILL THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY NO I STILL THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE ZONING WOULD BE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE. THEY MAY HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR SITE PLAN TO TO THE ORDINANCE BUT IT'S STILL A BETTER ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY HAS.

OKAY. THOUGHT YOU SAID THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN DOESN'T MATCH THE ZONING AND THAT'S WHAT JOHN POINTED OUT AND THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AFTER THE REZONING PLACE AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING.

THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT POSSIBLY.

MM HMM. OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU KNOW I KNOW THOMAS AND CONCERNED I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. IT APPEARS TO ME THAT YOU ALL ARE AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. READ THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN INCLUDING A COUPLE OF LETTERS FROM ME. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION PROCESS DO NOT INCLUDE A SITE PLAN BUT STAFF ASKED US IF WE WOULD PREPARE SOMETHING THAT WE MY CLIENT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND IT MAY TAKE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT APPROACH TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AS TO THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY ZONE THE ONE OF MY LETTERS BOTH OF MY LETTERS ACTUALLY DEAL WITH WITH WHAT THE CODE SAYS ABOUT THOSE THINGS BUT I QUOTE A SECTION FROM THE COUNTY CODE THE DEFINITION OF THAT OVERLAY HAMLET SO TYPICALLY LARGER AND MORE INTENSE THAN RURAL ROADS THAT ARE OFTEN LOCATED AT THE EDGE OF THE RURAL AND URBAN CONDITION THE MAIN STREET AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL FABRIC TRANSITIONS QUICKLY INTO AGRICULTURAL USES AND OR THE NATURAL AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT THAT OVERLAY ZONE INCLUDES PART OF SOME CITY IT INCLUDES THE BACKWATER PLACE EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN BLUFFTON A LARGE COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION WHERE A WAL-MART WAS PROPOSED BUT THE ECONOMY KICKED THEM OUT AND IT BUTTS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE THE THE SCHOOL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND ON THE OTHER SIDE A LARGE MEDICAL REHABILITATION FACILITY AND WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND ZONING CODES DO IT TO RECOMMEND REZONING AND TO GET RID OF THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING OF THAT ELEMENT OF THE

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BUT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT IF FAVORABLE AND FAVORABLE WOULD BE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT BUT I IMAGINE WE WILL WIND UP IN FRONT OF COUNTY COUNCIL ANYWAY.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE Y'ALL HAVE SOME ON THE HAMLET PLACE TYPE OVERLAY ON THE VETERAN'S COMPONENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND I THINK STAFF AGREES WITH US THAT OTHER THAN THE HAMLET TYPE THIS OTHERWISE QUALIFIES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE UNDER THE LAND USE MAP. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, WE HAVE SOME SEVERAL PERSONS WHO HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK. I'M GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME SO PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MIC AND YOU'VE GOT 3 MINUTES. I WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF LISTENING TO YOU. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL AND TURN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND AS WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT SPEAKERS PLEASE TO AVOID REPEATING WHAT THE PREVIOUS ONE DID I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE USE A LOT OF TIME WE GET TO CORRECT THEM BUT AT THIS POINT READ THEM THE AMECO. GOOD EVENING. EVENING.

MY NAME IS MARIE D'AMICO AND I LIVE AT 24 CAMILLA PINK COURT IN SUN CITY MY BACKYARD THROUGH THE TREES BORDERS ON 170 I'M VERY CLOSE TO THE WHAT WE CALL THE BULL HILL GATE IT'S THE GATE THAT BORDERS ON TO 170 AND IT IS THE BUSIEST GATE IN SUN CITY IN THAT IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY I HAVE TO JUST PREFACE IT BY SAYING I'M REALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 15 YEARS AND HAVE SEEN HOW MUCH GROWTH HAS HAPPENED OVER THIS TIME PERIOD. ONE LOOK AROUND US WE CAN SEE HOW MANY BUSINESSES, HOMES, DEVELOPMENTS, STORAGE UNITS HAVE SPRUNG UP IN OUR AREA WE'RE LOSING OUR TREES AND ALARMING RATE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TREES BUT WE ARE LOSING THEM. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING STRETCHED TO THE LIMITS WE'RE NOW BEING TOLD BY PALMETTO ELECTRIC THROUGH PHONE CALLS TO USE OUR ELECTRICITY TO USE OUR DRYER AND APPLIANCES DURING CERTAIN HOURS NOT TO CHARGE OUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES IF WE HAVE THEM AND TO, YOU KNOW, MANAGE OUR AIR CONDITIONING DURING PEAK PERIODS WE RECEIVED STICKERS OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CAN ONLY USE IRRIGATION FOR OUR LAWNS DURING CERTAIN TIME PERIODS ON CERTAIN DAYS. AND I HATE TO THINK THAT WE WOULD GET TO A POINT WHERE WE WOULD BE TOLD WHEN WE COULD FLUSH OUR TOILETS AND WHEN WE COULD TAKE OUR SHOWERS THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO THE TRAFFIC IN A VERY BUSY AREA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS AT THAT AREA. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE AGENDA PACKET THAT WE SAW ONLINE IT SAID THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE TO UP TO 245 UNITS I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT MANSION UNITS MEAN LUXURY UNITS, HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO COST PER MONTH, HOW MANY BEDROOMS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RESTRICTED. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN WHICH WILL TAX OUR EDUCATION. AND I THINK THAT THE THE I'M SORRY I'M GOING OVER ANYWAY I JUST THINK THAT THE DAVIS ROAD THAT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS IS REALLY GOING TO NOT NOT DO WELL FOR OUR TRAFFIC PATTERN. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MUCH. I THINK IT'S ARLENE SMITH SMITH SO I HAVE A SMITH IN THE AUDIENCE. YOU MUST HAVE LEFT. I THINK THAT'S ARLENE.

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THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SHERRY. WELL I LIVE AT 25 CAMILLE OF PINK COURT NEXT TO MARIE. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION.

170 WAS WIDENED AND WE NOTICED A LOT OF INCREASE IN NOISE POLLUTION.

THE LADY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME SOLD HER. SHE HAD IT ON THE MARKET FOR A YEAR SHE TOOK IT OFF THE MARKET THEN SHE PUT IT AROUND THE MARKET.

IT TOOK HER A LONG TIME TO SELL IT BECAUSE. PEOPLE WOULD COME IN TO HER HOUSE, CHECK OUT HER YARD AND SAY THERE'S TOO MUCH NOISE. I HEAR TRUCKS THERE ARE A LOT OF TRUCKS ON 170. IT'S JUST TOO NOISY AND THEY LEAVE.

THIS IS GOING TO BRING A LOT OF VEHICLES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIAL OF 400 AND SOME CLOSE TO 500 CARS PLUS PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOPPING IN THESE SHOPS.

YOU'LL HAVE TRUCKS THAT ARE BRINGING SUPPLIES INTO THEIR SHOPS THAT'S MORE TRAFFIC.

HE'S TELLING US THAT ARE THREE ENTRANCES AND EXITS AND PEOPLE WILL LEAVE DIFFERENT ONES.

WELL I HAVE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT I CAN COME IN AND OUT OF SUN CITY.

NOBODY TELLS ME WHICH ONE THAT I USE I USE THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST CONVENIENT TO WHERE I'M GOING AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT AND I THINK YOU HEAR THAT IN MY VOICE. I THINK THAT I AM REALLY ASKING THIS COMMISSION TO TO PROPOSE A MORATORIUM AGAINST BUILDING IN BEAUFORT COUNTY, JASPER COUNTY IT IT'S TIME FOR MORE GREENS IN BEAUFORT COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY I THINK THAT'S END OF THE COMMENTS CITIZEN COMMENTS.

I'LL BRING THIS UP TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANY COMMENTS YOU CARE TO MAKE AMONG OURSELVES AND THEN I'LL ASK FOR MOTION EITHER FOR OR AGAINST AND IF YOU WANT TO PUT CONDITIONS ON IT THAT'S FINE TOO. BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY BOTH PARTIES. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FIRST OF WHO OF ROB COMMERCIAL? OKAY. ROB, YOU COME BACK UP THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLETE DISAGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF AS FAR AS THE HAND PLAYS TYPE OF THING.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE STAFF'S POSITION A LITTLE BIT BETTER? WELL, I MEAN FROM THE SIMPLEST STANDPOINT THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE TYPES INDICATES THIS IS A HAMLET.

SO THERE'S NO DISPUTE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DEFINITION. THE DEFINITION OF HAMLET DOES

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BUT THE OTHER PURPOSE OF THE PLACE TYPE IS TO CALL OUT PLACES WHERE THE PLAN RECOMMENDS WALKABLE URBANISM AND THAT COULD BE IT. SO IN THAT CONTEXT THE WHETHER IT'S A HAMLET OR VILLAGE IT'S TALKING MORE THE SCALE OF THE COMMUNITY WE IN AN AREA ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHERN COUNTY WHERE THERE'S A PREVAILING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IT'S PRIMARILY AUTO ORIENTED AND SO WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO DO IS CALL OUT AREAS WHERE ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW, ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS OR INTERSECTIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO INTRODUCE MORE WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IN THAT CONTEXT DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT HAMLET HAMLET PLACE TYPE IS IS SOLELY TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RURAL AREA. IT MORE HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE IN A SUBURBAN AREA LIKE BLUFFTON.

SO ARE THERE OTHER PLACES AVAILABLE WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR SUCH A PLACE IN HAMLET TYPE OVERLAY? WELL, THERE ARE HAMLET PLACE TYPES ALL THROUGHOUT BLUFFTON.

YOU KNOW, ALONG THE 278 CORRIDOR. ALL RIGHT.

NOW YOU CAN YEAH. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO STAY AMONG OURSELVES.

YES, GO AHEAD. NO, YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ROB? I DO IT SORT OF THROUGH ED AND YOU YOU'VE SUGGESTED THAT EMOTION COULD INCLUDE CONDITIONS. IS IT YOU RECAP WHAT THEY MIGHT BE OR COULD ROB RECAP IS THAT FAIR BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME FOR LIKE TEN CONDITIONS AT THIS POINT AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY MOTION EITHER IDENTIFIES THEM OR SAYS WITH YOU KNOW WITHOUT CONDITIONS I THINK ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD IDENTIFY THE LOCK IN THE DISABLED VETERAN PERCENTAGES AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IN FACT BECAME PART THE AGREEMENT TO GO FORWARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PHASE WHICH IS BEYOND THAT WHICH SOMETHING WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY WE COULD ALSO PUT IN A QUALIFIER FOR A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF DWELLING IF WE FELT THAT WAS NECESSARY FOR DISABLED HOUSING . WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL COMMUNITY PLAN ELIGIBILITY TO ALSO BE A CONDITION FOR POTENTIAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S THE THREE THAT I'VE GOT WHERE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

DID YOU ASK FOR ANY OTHER CONDITIONS POTENTIALLY? NO.

THOSE ARE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD TO DO WITH THERE'S NO MECHANISM IN THE ACTUAL REZONING THAT REQUIRES A NUMBER OF UNITS AND THERE'S NO CONDITION BECAUSE THIS IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD TO C THREE THAT COULD REQUIRE THE TYPE OF LAYOUT OF THE COMMUNITY AS IS TRADITIONAL SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NOT INTO THIS, CORRECT? YEAH. AND WHAT ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT IS THERE'S ONLY ONE TYPE MANSION TYPE IN THIS IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHAT WASN'T THERE. WELL I THINK THE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT AND I AGREE WITH THAT IS THAT THE PLAN OUGHT TO REFLECT WHAT THE ZONING REQUESTS IS AND IT DOESN'T AND RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T MEET THAT WELL OVER THAT ONE INTENTIONAL OR NOT IT DOESN'T MEET IT AND AS IT GOES FORWARD THOSE WHO VIEW THIS NEED TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH IN THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE ZONING AND THE DENSITY THAT'S REQUIRED BY THAT ZONING . TO ME THAT'S NOT A CONDITION I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF A MINDSET WELL I THINK THAT'S AGAIN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ISSUE. YEAH.

AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CANNOT BE USED TO GET ANY MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICT OR ALTER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING IN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHATEVER THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT WOULD BE AND THEN YOU TOLD ME THIS ONCE BEFORE BUT I'M I DON'T RECALL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THOSE ARE DONE STRICTLY BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPERS. THAT'S RIGHT.

CORRECT. AND THEY ARE READILY FOR PUBLIC ACCESS.

YES. I MEAN IN SO TYPICALLY IF THIS WERE TO GO TO MOVE TOWARDS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PHASE IT PROBABLY WOULD HAPPEN WHEN THIS WENT TO THE COMMITTEE AT THAT POINT YOU KNOW IF THE LAND USE COMMITTEE FELT THAT THERE'S SOME THERE'S MERIT TO THIS PROJECT AND THEY WANT TO PURSUE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THEY WOULD WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER BUT IT GETS ADOPTED THE SAME WAY A REZONING DOES WITH THREE READINGS OF COUNCIL AND I THAT

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AND THE OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS THERE I GUESS MY FIRST COMMENT IS A GENERAL ONE I ALWAYS GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN A ZONING DECISION GETS TOO BOGGED DOWN YOU IN A PARTICULAR LAND USE YOU KNOW THAT'S LIKE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING A PUBLIX GROCERY STORE AND A FOOD DESERT AREA.

WELL, TEN YEARS LATER PUBLIX COULD CLOSE. SO AS MUCH AS WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A CERTAIN LAND USE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY CAN'T CONTROL.

WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE SEA THREE ZONING DISTRICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE COLLECTION USES FOR THIS LOCATION.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN EVEN THOUGH I RECOGNIZE A CONCEPTUAL LAND USE PLAN CAN BE ADJUSTED IS THAT THEY CAME IN WITH A PROPOSAL FOR A CERTAIN ULTIMATE DENSITY NUMBER DWELLING UNITS THAT'S WHAT THEIR TIA BASED ON AS WELL AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE SEA THREE SO HOW WE CAN APPROVE A ZONING TO SEA THREE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS EXCUSE ME DOESN'T MEET THE C THREE ZONING REQUIREMENTS I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW ROB IN THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONED EARLIER A MAXIMUM OF 80 MULTIFAMILY UNITS WELL THEY'VE CERTAINLY GOT MORE THAN 80. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN TWEAK A CONCEPTUAL LAND USE PLAN BUT UNTIL YOU'RE MEETING THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A REZONING AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT LOVE TO SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN TERMS OF DISABLED VETERAN HOUSING, I WAS VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT REGARDLESS OF THIS PROJECT, THAT VISION IS GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD BY THE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT SO I'LL STOP THERE BECAUSE I'M SURE PEOPLE OTHER THAN ME HAVE COMMENTS. I'VE JUST GOT ANOTHER QUESTION AND MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MIGHT BEAT ME WITH A DEAD HORSE HERE BUT I'M NOT SURE I'VE PROBABLY MORE ADDRESS MR. STATI AS THE DEVELOPER THAN SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BUT YOU IT TAKES ME A MOMENT TO GET MY BAD HIP ADJUSTED THAT'S ALL RIGHT. COME ON. THIS IS A REPETITIVE QUESTION OR SIR. OKAY, NOT OPEN THE DOOR. GOING TO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE TITANIUM IN MY FUTURE.

YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON I KNOW THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED AND THIS IS PROBABLY EARLY BUT I'M TRYING TO TIE TOGETHER WHAT THE LOWCOUNTRY VETERANS HOUSING IS GOING TO DO, WHAT MOSAIC IS GOING TO DO AS FAR AS BUILDING MANSION STYLE EXECUTIVE TYPE APARTMENTS AND I REALIZE THIS IS NOTHING THAT'S CAST IN STONE BUT WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU ENVISION THE COST TO THE VETERAN TO BE OKAY FIRSTLY MOSAIC DEVELOPMENT WILL DONATE THE LAND UNDER THE VETERANS TO THE FOUNDATION SO THE FOUNDATION WILL HAVE DO SOME KIND OF A MINOR SUBDIVISION SO THAT MEETS BOUNDS WE CAN DONATE THE LAND WE WILL ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS, PARKING SIDEWALKS AND THE LIKE AND THE FOUNDATION WILL OWN WALL CONSTRUCTED FOR THE FOUNDATION AT COST AND IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE COST PER UNIT WILL BE ROUGHLY $375,000 TIMES 24.

THE FOUNDATION WILL PAY FOR THE UNITS AT WITH THE GIFT OF THE LAND INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS PARKING ETC. THE WILL MAKE SOME KIND OF AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE FOUNDATION WHEREBY THE VETERAN RESIDENTS WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY AMENITIES INCLUDING THE HEALTH CLUB FITNESS CENTER, THE POOL, THE BOCCE COURTS, WHATEVER AMENITIES WE WIND UP BEING ABLE TO FIT ON ON THE LAND AT NO COST AND IT IS I THINK ENVISIONED BY THE FOUNDATION

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THE NATURE'S WALKS WILL BE CURATED YOU KNOW THERE'LL BE KIOSKS HERE AND THERE TALKING ABOUT WILDLIFE LIFE AND YOU KNOW, PLANT LIFE IN THE LIKE. SO IT'S YOU KNOW, WE WE HOPE IT TO BE A PROJECT THAT GIVES MORE TO THE COMMUNITY THAN IT TAKES BACK.

YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS REASONABLY BENIGN AND AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, WE DON'T EXPECT MUCH NOISE IF ANY YOU KNOW, COMING PAST YOU KNOW THE BUFFERS.

SO ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER WHILE I'M UP HERE OR THAT I SUFFICIENTLY ANSWER THAT THANK YOU. I'M OFF THE HOOK. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER COMMENTS APPEAR I HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN CONSIDERING CDP A 0039 DASH 2024 I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO COUNTY THAT THE REZONING APPLICATION BE BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT AND THE TESTIMONY TODAY. AND I WILL ALSO ADD EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T MENTION IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS THAT TO RESOLVE THE QUESTION OF THE HAMMER PLEASE TYPE OVERLAY I WOULD ADVOCATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THAT A AREA WIDE PLAN BE CONSIDERED FOR THIS AREA WHICH WOULD ALL OF THE RESIDENTS NOT JUST THE ONES THAT ARE A PART OF THIS REZONING TO HAVE A VOICE IN TERMS OF HOW THIS PARTICULAR AREA MIGHT GET REDEVELOPED NOT CERTAIN THAT A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION RAISE YOUR HAND 12346 SO IT'S UNANIMOUS THE MOTION TO DENY THE ZONING UPGRADE HAS BEEN DENIED. I LIKE TO MAKE ONE CLOSING COMMENT. IT PAINS ME TERRIBLY TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO START AT THIS LOCATION WITH VETERANS DISABILITY HOUSING CAPABILITY BUT I HOPE AND EXPECT THAT COUNTY WHICH IS LOOKING VERY STRONGLY AT THE NEEDS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THIS COUNTY CAN FIND A WAY TO BE A PARTNER WITH THIS ORGANIZATION

[02:25:04]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'LL GO NOW TO THE NEXT ISSUE .

HANG ON A MINUTE. I GET MY POINT BUT DO WE NEED A RECESS FOR ABOUT 5 MINUTES FOR BATHROOM BREAK? OKAY. CAN WE TAKE A ONE TAKE 510 MINUTES 5 MINUTES ON OUR FIVE I ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CODE (CDC): APPENDIX C.4 (BUCKWALTER PARKWAY) TO UPDATE ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS]

SEE THAT FOR BUCKWALTER PARKWAY TO UPDATE ACCESS MANAGEMENT STANDARDS HAVE BEEN YES THANK YOU COMMISSION WE HAD A TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE UPDATE TO THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN ABOVE WATER PARK WE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN THE THE PLAN IS AN UPDATE TO IT THE NORTHERN I MEAN EXCUSE ME IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THE NORTHERN SO THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE 2021 ORDINANCE AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE THERE IS A STUDY AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AND UPDATE AND IT CONSISTS OF VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS THOSE INTERSECTIONS START AT WALTER PARKWAY AND BLUFFTON PARKWAY AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO BARTON'S RUN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WE HAVE A DESIRE WE HAVE A KEY POINT ASSUMPTIONS IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN AND I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU OF THE DETAILS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY READ EVERYTHING.

BUT ONE OF THE KEY ASSUMPTIONS IS THAT KEEP THE SPACING THE LIGHTS AT 2000 FEET.

WE ALSO PAID ATTENTION TO THE CONNECTIVITY OF PARCELS ALONG THE PARKWAY WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE WATER REC CENTER REDEVELOPMENT AND THAT PROPOSED ACCESS POINT AS WELL AS THE CROSS AND THE SHELL HALL DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTION AND WE ALSO REVIEWED THE POTENTIAL FUTURE RELOCATION OF INTERSECTIONS.

WELL THE REGIONAL REGIONAL MPO WHICH IS THAT THEY PERFORMED THE TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS MY ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO THE VOLUMES ARE PROJECTED VOLUMES THAT ARE ACCEPTED FOR THE REGION. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TO TO RECEIVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE OR ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE ACTUAL PLAN WHO WANT TO BE FIRST JOHN THERE'S A LOT TO READ. SO KEVIN , IF I'VE GOTTEN THIS WRONG PLEASE CORRECT ME. IT APPEARED WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH THE SECTION OF THE CIRCLE THE SEE THAT FOR 30 AND LOOKING AT THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE STRUCTURES IN TERMS WHAT ACTUAL LANGUAGE WAS BEING PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO MEET THAT THE REAL THE ONLY REAL AMENDMENT I SAW WAS THE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THE SPACING BETWEEN BUCKWALTER PARKWAY AND LAKE POINT DRIVE IS THAT AN ACCURATE THAT IS ACCURATE AND YES YES THERE WEREN'T ANY WHOLESALE CHANGES HERE. YEAH. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD EXCUSE ME AS I UNDERSTAND IT EVEN THE PROPOSED RELOCATION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY WITH THE INTERSECTION OF BUCKWALTER ACTUALLY MOVES THAT INTERSECTION CLOSER TO LAKE POINT DRIVE IS AHEAD THEN WHERE IT WHERE IT EXISTS TODAY YES THAT'S OUR THAT'S THAT'S OUR ATTEMPT WITH THIS PLAN TO ANALYZE PROPOSED FUTURE RELOCATION OF THE INTERSECTION.

SO THE INTERSECTION TODAY IS SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AT THE KROGER.

[02:30:09]

WELL WELL I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S NO OF THE COUNTY FINDING IT IN THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN THIS THIS PLAN IS THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAN IS TO BE LIKE A COMPASS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY COME THEY KNOW.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO HERE RIGHT AND RIGHT IN MY RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT HERE THIS IS PARTICULARLY THE SPACING SO THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR ROAD IS FOR MOBILITY NOT NECESSARILY FOR A BUNCH OF ACCESS POINTS.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN IS NOT PARTICULARLY SET ASIDE TO BE A SALES PITCH FOR ONE PARTICULAR INTERSECTION OR SOME SOME SOME SOME CONCEPT THAT'S OUT THERE.

THIS IS A HOLISTIC PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE CORE OR SO WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE COURT AND NOT PARTICULARLY ONE INTERSECTION BUT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ANALYSIS FOR THE CORRIDOR WE HAVE TO TAKE EAGLE AND EAGLE EYES VIEW AT EVERY INTERSECTION AND.

WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT POTENTIALLY MIGHT HAPPEN WE WON'T WE WOULDN'T BE GOOD PLANNERS IF WE DON'T ALSO LOOK AT WHAT POTENTIALLY MIGHT HAPPEN SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE. IF SOMETHING POTENTIALLY HAPPENS THEN HEY WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO. WE DON'T TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WOULD DO IF THIS HAPPENS WE WOULD DO THIS.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU UPDATE ANY OF YOUR UPDATED 22 AND 24? WOULD YOU DO AN UPDATED EVERY TWO YEARS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING NO THIS IS THIS IS US FINE TUNING THE LAST UPDATE SO SOME A COUPLE OF THINGS CHANGED AND CHANGED IN THE CORRIDOR SO NOW WE KNOW DEFINITELY A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO THIS SO BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW THE DEVELOPER TO DO THIS THEN THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS PLAN IS FINE TUNING IT TO MAKE SURE OKAY THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING AHEAD, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING HERE THEN WE ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SPACING IS LIKE X-Y-Z. SO THIS IS A FINE TUNING THAT LAST UPDATE TO DO ANY OF THE RESYNCHRONIZATION AT 2000 FEET AND THE NEW INGRESS AND EGRESS VARIOUS POINTS ARE THEY OCCASIONED BY THE ASSUMPTION OF THE BUCKWALTER RELOCATED PUT UNDER BLUFFTON PARKWAY RELOCATION ARE THEY CAUSE OF BY THAT? NO.

SO WHY THEN IS THAT ASSUMPTION STILL THERE. THE THE THE PURPOSE FOR A STREET IS TO DO A CERTAIN THING AND A PURPOSE FOR A IS TO DO A CERTAIN THING.

SO I'LL FOCUS ON HOW BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FROM A PARTICULAR STREET OR ROAD OR A FREEWAY OR INTERSTATE. OUR PURPOSE OF THE PARKWAY IS TO MAKE SURE TRAFFIC FLOWS SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY IN THE SPRING. RIGHT.

AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY WAS ADAMANT ABOUT THAT BEING A DEAD ISSUE AND RETRACTED ANY MONEY FROM IT. I THINK IT WAS CALLED FOR THE YES.

IT SEEMS THAT AT LEAST IT APPEARS THAT YOU'VE LEFT IT IN HERE IN THIS DOCUMENT AND I UNDERSTAND I MEAN WORKING WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT THE COUNTY IS STILL ADAMANT THE COUNTY HADN'T CHANGED BUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN WE DO THESE PLANS WE AS PLANNERS HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S EXISTING AND ALSO WHAT FUTURE SO SO SO SO WE'RE NOT IGNORING THE FACT THAT WE MADE A DECISION AS A AS THE COUNTY BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE ALSO NOT IGNORING THE FACT THAT IF SOMETHING WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THEN WE ALSO SAID THAT WE COULD DO WHAT PLANNING TO DO

[02:35:02]

SO THIS IS ABOUT MAINTAINING THAT WE HAVE THAT 2000 FOOT SPACING THERE.

SO THOSE IF YOU DID THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE HAVE TO BE ADDITIONAL ROADS BUILT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE ACCESS POINTS. IT'S JUST THE RELOCATION OF BLUFFTON PARKWAY RIGHT THERE THAT COME UP TO THE NEW WHERE IT SHIFTED DOWN AND THEN LAKES POINT WOULD BE ADJUSTED TO THE NEW INTERSECTION BUT IT WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL NEW ROADS.

WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE IN THE PLAN BRIAN EVEN IF THE PARKWAY WASN'T REALIGNED IT STILL DOESN'T MEET THE SPACING TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT DOES NOT MEET SPACING TODAY. SO I MEAN I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THERE'S A SPACING ISSUE BETWEEN THOSE INTERSECTIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO POINT OUT A FUTURE RELOCATION OF BOTH PARKWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST GIVING ADDITIONAL TO IT AGAIN IN PREVIOUS STUDIES IT SAID THAT THESE MAY NEED TO BE RELOCATED IT HAS GIVEN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND AGAIN AS KEVIN MENTIONED THIS IS ABOUT MOBILITY IS ABOUT SAFETY AND BEING ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE GET DOWN ABOVE WALTER SAFELY WITHOUT HAVING AS MANY ACCESSES TO IMPEDE THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS PROPOSAL HAS RECENTLY PUBLISHED CAUSED A FIRESTORM BY FOLKS DOWN IN THAT AREA AND THERE IS A PROTEST LETTER I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN IT THAT CAME THROUGH TODAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO BUT IF IT'S ALL ABOUT LANGUAGE AND A MISUNDERSTOOD OF WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS INTENDED TO MEAN THEN, IT'D BE SMART TO ELIMINATE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE REST OF THE PLAN . I THINK THE COUNTY MIGHT LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SINCE THEY VOTED AROUND ELIMINATE IT.

YEAH THAT'S ONE WE CAN LOOK AT MANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL KEVIN EXCUSE ME MR. CHAIRMAN YES YES. CHUCK IF IT'S OKAY WE WOULD ASK THAT WE'VE HEARD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE UNDERSTAND THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO COME OUT IF.

WE COULD DEFER THIS STAFF CAN GO BACK, TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE IT OUT.

I THINK THE PREMISE IS THERE WE NEED THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN THIS TO MOVE FORWARD AND IF THAT VERBIAGE OR HOW IT'S BEING STATED IS CAUSING A PROBLEM WE CAN TAKE THAT UP.

SO IF WE JUST DEFER THIS TO WHENEVER IT'S CONVENIENT TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR STAFF AND CAN AGREE AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND GET IT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S ACCEPTABLE.

[02:40:06]

OKAY WE'LL SEE YOU WHEN HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? WANT TO PUT A TIME ON IT AND FRAME ON IT FEBRUARY. JANUARY JANUARY IS GOOD REASON I MENTIONED JANUARY WE'RE UP TO OUR EYEBALLS ALREADY HUGE MEETING IN JANUARY FINALLY IS MAKING IT PRETTY WELL.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO COMMENT JUST A SECOND NOW I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION MAYBE I MADE THAT TOO SOON AND THAT'S ACCEPTED ACCEPTED THAT YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. LET ME LET ME GET THIS CLEAR FROM THE PUBLIC HERE ONE MOMENT PREPARED THIS GREAT PIECE OF VERBIAGE I'M SURE IS ACCURATE BUT PICTURES MEAN A LOT MORE TO ME. SO WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN LIKE THIS HAVING A PICTURE AND WHITE PICTURE PRINTING COLOR DOESN'T WORK ON OWN MY PRINTER BUT HAVING SOMETHING I CAN REFER TO IN CASE I CAN'T SEE. VERY VERY THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WHO WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS. I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL SO NO DECISION ON EITHER WAY YES OR NO.

AN APPROVAL PROCESS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TONIGHT. IT'S TO BE DEFERRED BUT YOUR COMMENTS ARE IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THEIR CONSIDERATION.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND I'LL CALL FOR MIKE HAGAN THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COMMENTS.

YOU GUYS ASK A HARD THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS YOU IT'S NOT ABOUT TRIBE IT'S ALL ABOUT 5BI ATTENDED A TOWN MEETING THEY SAID IT WASN'T ABOUT TOM B WHEN THEY ANNEXED THAT PORTION OF THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY IN BUCKWALTER THERE THE AGENDA PACKAGE STILL HAD IN IT THE DRAWINGS OF HOW THIS WAS GOING TO CONNECT THE BLUFFTON PARKWAY THE NORTH OR THE WEST AND THE EAST CONNECTING IT'S STILL IN THE PLAN AND THEY STILL WANT TO DO IT. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED AGAINST IT. IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH WETLANDS WHEN I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TONIGHT TO DO IS ASK YOURSELVES THAT TO ASSURE YOURSELVES THAT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN KNOW UNEQUIVOCALLY DOES NOT FACILITATE OR NECESSITATE THE BUILDING OF FIVE B THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING AND WITH THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANKS FOR WAITING SO LONG 221 MEETING YEAH WE USUALLY DON'T GO THIS LONG BUT THERE ARE OCCASIONS IN JOY IS IN CO RESIDENT HI GOOD EVENING HI CHAIRMAN AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK I SENT A LETTER I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT EARLIER. YES AND I GUESS IT'S NO NEED TO POINT OUT WHAT MY LETTER SAID BUT ONE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GAVE YOU THERE'S LIKE A SOMETHING PAGE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN DID Y'ALL HAVE THAT TO LOOK AT FOR THIS MEETING IT HAS MAPS IT HAS LOTS OF MAPS GOING THROUGH WETLAND BECAUSE WITH THE MOVING OF THESE LIGHTS YOU HAVE TO BUILD FRONTAGE ROADS TO CONNECT LIKE THE LAKE POINT DRIVE DOWN TO THE NEXT LIGHT AND IF YOU GO DRIVE DOWN BY WATER HUGE WETLANDS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR HOW YOU COULD EVEN DO IT AND THEN GOING FROM THE TOWNS THE WAY TO THE KROGER IS GOING THROUGH MASSIVE AND IF YOU EVEN GO AND LISTEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF A GUY THAT'S PUTTING A BUILDING IN IN FRONT OF THE TOWNS HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE TOWN HAD HIM STUB A ROAD OUT TO BUILD THIS FRONTAGE ROAD AND HE SAID HE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THE WETLANDS AND STORMWATER DRAINAGE IT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH BUT THE TOWN ASSURED HIM I GUESS THEY CAN DO THAT SO WITH THAT ALSO THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIRES NUMBER ONE CONCEPT DESIGN OF INTERSECTION OF PARKWAYS TO COORDINATION AND ADDITIONAL PLANNING OF CONNECTION ROADWAYS

[02:45:02]

ANY REVIEW SHOULD BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE STAFF PROVIDE MORE INCLUSIVE REPORT AND COUNTY COUNCIL PROVIDE INPUT TO THE CONSTITU REGARDING BLUFFTON PARKWAY FIVE B AND AS A LAST COMMENT LIGHT SPACING THEY WANT TO ADD A LIGHT AT THE KROGER GAS STATION IN THE LIGHT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE PUBLIC SIDE IS ONLY 1496 FEET SO THEY'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THEIR 2000 FOOT. IT'S ALL ABOUT MOVING THE TOWNS TO VIBEY THANKS THANK THANK YOU OKAY HEARD THE COMMENTS WE'VE HAD A DEFERRAL MOTION THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED WE'LL SEE YOU IN FEBRUARY WITH THE FROM ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT THAT THAT FINISHES THAT

[9. ADOPTION OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULE]

YOU ALL GOT COPIES OF IT. ANY QUESTION I WOULD I WOULD MAKE ONE SUGGESTION AROUND WORK A LITTLE BIT HARDER AND TRY TO GET SOME OF THESE MEETINGS DOWN IN THE BLUFFTON AREA WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY THIS YEAR. THIS MIGHT HAVE AN APPROPRIATE MEETING TO BE DOWN IN THE BLUFFTON AREA AS IT INVOLVED PRIMARILY THE BLUFFTON AREA. SO I THINK IN FUTURE WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN WORK HARDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I WE LEARN A LOT WHEN WE TALK WITH TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT AREAS AND SIR AND WE'RE ABOUT TO ADJOURN DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING BURNING I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT, SIR. I'LL ALLOW YOU TO I'LL ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TONY LONG MARTIN. I LIVE IN ROSEVILLE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND MOVING TRAFFIC IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PRESENT ROAD CONDITIONS AND YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADS, THE LANES AREN'T MARKED, THE STACKING LANES AREN'T LONG ENOUGH. THE SIGNALS NATION IS OUT OF SYNC. THAT'S WHERE THESE ACCIDENTS COMING FROM NOT VOLUME YOU ELIMINATE VOLUME WITH STACKING LANES YOU CAN ELIMINATE ACCIDENTS WITH MARKING THE ROUTES YOU GO ON TO 78 AND THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT YOU CAN'T SEE THE LANES AND THOSE ARE WHERE THOSE ACCIDENTS ARE COMING FROM. SO GET WHATEVER DEPARTMENTS ARE DEALING WITH THIS, GET THEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT LET'S FIX WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED NOT WHAT WE NEED AND NOT FIX WHAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE COURSE IF WE TURN AND STILL SECOND SECOND ONE FAVOR ANYBODY TO STAY BY MEETING IS ADJOURNED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.